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According to the MC Superior Court, the jury will deliberate from 9:00 am to 4:30 pm each day until they reach a verdict of either an acquittal or manslaughter. Once they reach a verdict, Judge Pickles will give 45 minutes notice prior to the reading.

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  3. Does anyone know the date that the jailhouse interview with Jodi was done on back in 2008…the one they are showing on HLN now…

    • Yes, I’ve heard from SJ that he was giving out a prize for third, but unfortunately, it keeps getting returned to him, and so, he stopped even offering it a while ago because all the paperwork involved in the returns were getting a bit much. You know, he couldn’t use a dummy SKU or anything, so it became very time consuming. He told me that he thought it was a great prize initially. But now, he can’t even pay someone to take it. You see, it’s a 40 minute yelling cross-examination session by “the prosecutor”. You cannot object because only the prosecutor asks the questions, and most people can’t make it beyond the first 3 minutes, and SJ was giving a 4 minute guarantee on the prize that allowed people to return it up until then. He awarded it to many people but alas, as I said, he can’t even pay someone to take it now.

      I’m sure SJ would be willing to arrange for you to receive this prize if you’d like it though, CanadaLinda. 😛

        • Hi sz, I haven’t seen a doctor today (since leaving the ER again last night). I’m still feeling a great deal of heart racing, panic and anxiety. I’m a mess, really. I don’t know what to do.

          • Did ER give you any info as to what is causing your symptoms?

            BTW, I must have been thinking of Columbia Hospital for Women the other day. It closed in 2002, tho. I thought they would be good on anything hormone-related, with a focus on women in particular. A friend of mine had her baby there many years ago.

      • I wouldn’t mind going a few rounds in a verbal match with that little fucker.

        Diarrhea of the mouth is a sign of constipation in the brain.

        • He is scary – if I were a juror – I think I would get like Jodi — and just shut him out — as I am a female — now if I were a man I might get hard pressed to being yelled at by another man — he is somewhat dictatorial – he also, continued to remind me of the trash talk from Travis – which only continued to turn me against his lengthy harassing spectacles.

        • I’d pay for a ticket to that match, Sirlips! You would be a very worthy opponent!

        • Sirlips you’re hilarious! I’d lve to take that midget on too!! Why O Why do short men act like that? I have 6 cousin, short – like 5’4 – 5’5, and they’re cocky! I truly believe Mr Turd needs anger management! Alyce was right! Time Out Turd!

  8. REPOST from old threads end…

    Thought we could have a little fun today, while await the Manslaughter or acquittal announcement, as we know that’s all we are waiting for….

    I found some of the juror’s comments from the deliberation. I am not allowed to expose where I attained these, but you can be assured that they ARE 1/3 of 72% accurate:

    Juror 1: “So, we are going to hang this crazy liar, right?”

    Juror 2: “um, they don’t hang people in AZ, they stick ‘em with the ‘cocktail’ “.

    Juror 1: “Sorry, so we are going to put this liar on the firing squad, right?”

    Juror 2: “Um, they ONLY use the lethal injection in AZ…No firing squad.”

    Juror 1: “Ok, so we ARE going to use the lethal injection then, right?”

    Juror 3: “You sure are bent on killing this woman, what up with that?”

    Juror 1: “Well, yah, she lied! You can’t say she is innocent, if she lied!, we gotta kill her, the short guy said we MUST kill her, if she is guilty, and she is guilty of LYING!!”

    Juror 4: “But, she wasn’t charged with lying. We are supposed to only judge if she is guilty of the crimes she was charged with, like Pre-meditated murder or manslaughter”

    Juror 1: “Then do we get to hang this thief, she stole the gun”

    Juror 2: “again, no, we don’t hang people in AZ, and she wasn’t charged with stealing anything”

    Juror 5: “Wait, they didn’t charge her with stealing the gun? Then how are they claiming the Felony murder charge, if they didn’t charge her with stealing the gun? Doesn’t she have to be convictable on the theft, to call her a felony thief? I’m so confused now.”

    Juror 1: “Ok, enough of this crap…can we at least chop her head off because she made up a story about not being responsible for the death of TA, but then retracted it and admitted to killing him? That’s gotta get her head put on the block, doesn’t it?”

    Juror 2: “Sir, as I have told you, they don’t chop people’s heads off in AZ, they use lethal injection. Also, they did not charge her with conspiracy to cover up a death. So, no, we cannot find her guilty of “story telling”. We can only find her guilty of the actual charges in this case… That’s it.”

    Juror 6: “So let me get this straight, she did lie, but they didn’t charge her with covering up a death, they claim she stole the gun, but they didn’t charge her with theft? What the hell are we supposed to use as evidence to convict her?”

    Juror 7: “I think we are supposed to use all the other evidence…like the gas cans”

    Juror 1: “But I have gas cans in my trunk, but that doesn’t mean I am planning a murder! But, if you want me to ignore that, I am willing to…after all this chick needs to be drowned like a rat!”

    Juror 2: “Sir. Drowning someone is terrible; we only stick them with a cocktail of deadly poisons. It’s much more human to murder that way that to drown someone…duh! Have you not been listening to me?”

    Juror 8: “I don’t think we should ignore the fact that “gas cans don’t mean you planned a murder”. We should use the real evidence.”

    Juror 9: “I know this is going to sound silly, but what real evidence?”

    juror 10: “Real evidence? There is tons….like the…..um….. well, there’s the…. The Book SHELF! Yah, the book shelf, she couldn’t have stepped on it, she lied! So she had to have Pre-mediated this murder”

    Juror 2: “Actually, that would mean she is guilty of lying, again. What does that have to do with murder? Just because her story isn’t the truth, doesn’t mean the states story is. Plus, I think she could have stepped on the side of the shelf, and it wouldn’t have tipped at all. PLUS, she could have not used the shelf at all, since she didn’t even really know where she stepped, she said. AND, she could have put the stuff back on the shelf, to hide the fact that something happened in the closet. She was very scared. I wouldn’t want to try to explain my involvement in a death!”

    Juror 2: “See, she is guilty, you just said she could have cleaned up the scene before leaving!!! KILL HER!!!”

    Juror 3: “No, sir, she said she “could have” but we don’t really know for sure. Plus, anything that happened AFTER the death doesn’t matter, as the charges are only for before (pre-med murder 1…) and during the killing. There are no charges that have anything to do with after the death.

    Juror 11: “but I saw on HLeN that she was doing headstands in the questioning room of the jail! That’s just weird ass shit right there, ‘em hm.”

    Juror 12: “You watched HLeN? Thank god, I thought I was the only one! Did you guys check out the internet sites about this trial too? We are going to be fucking famous!”

    Juror 2: “actually, we are not supposed to view any media coverage, that would mean we are guilty of breaking the courts order!”

    Juror 1: “Sweet! Can we hang juror 12 now?”

    Juror 2:”No, we should just vote, and get this over with”

    Jurors 1-12: “yah, lets see where we are at”

    The vote: “Instructions: vote 1 if you think there is reasonable doubt as to what really happened. Vote 2 if you think they have proven that she did charge 1,2,3,4 or 5. Vote 3 if you don’t think there is enough evidence to support either the state or the defenses story.”

    Results: “6 jurors voted for 1, 0 jurors voted for 2, 6 voted for 3.

    Juror 2: “Ok, let’s go tell the judge we have a verdict of not guilty.”

    Juror 1: “Wait, what the fuck? I voted for 3, that doesn’t mean I think she is innocent!”

    Juror 2: “actually, it does sir, we can only convict her if we have NO DOUBT that the story the prosecutor said was true, and that story has to mean she actually broke the law she was charged with breaking. Since no one voted for 2, we are done here.”

    Juror 1: “Well, shit, I want to burn someone at the steak, this isn’t fair! I like to fantasize about ass raping kids too, but that doesn’t make me a bad man, does it!?! Does it? I go to temple every Saturday, that makes me a good man. He may have been an abusive rape fantasizer, but at least he went to church! He was doing “the good work”!”

    Juror 8: “what do you guys say we milk this for a few more days, I really don’t feel like going back to my real job this week?”

    Juror 9 “that’s a great idea. I’ll bring in reports each day this week on what the HLeN crew thinks we are saying and we can all laugh at them. Does anyone have a deck of cards?”

    —————————–

    So, there we have it…the minds of the jury! If I hear any other news from my sources, I’ll be sure to post them.- Sirlips

  9. I know some of you say the longer they take the better it is for them to revise and consider all the evidence and I wholeheartedly agree.Deep down though I want this to end as soon as possible,i hate thinking what Jodi must be going through right now…

    • I honestly don’t think there is any evidence to consider. The prosecution didn’t meet the burden of proof, and its key witnesses are tainted.

      This thing should have already been decided.

      • They asked questions all along to the witnesses…I think that will shorten the deliberation time some…

        • The question to Kevin Horn regarding the dura mater should have ended all doubt here about the prosecution’s case.

      • Good point too tonysam.Horne’s last testimony should have made clear and convince even the most sceptical of the jurors.Unfortunately,we cannot know their way of thinking…. 🙁

        • If they convict Jodi of anything after that debacle, they don’t have any understanding of burden of proof.

      • I feel it should be decided faster than slower. I am fearing that the longer they go, the more doubts they are having. But it could be my biased paranoia.

        • It tells you there may be at least one Mormon on the jury hellbent on death.

        • Renee,

          Keep the faith…. It could be a couple jurors that aren’t going to budge on their stance. I would think if they all agreed on M1 they would of already come back with a verdict. So, staying postive that this is good for JODI… 🙂

        • I think it could go either way. I was a juror on a murder trial and we were 7-5 for not guilty on the first day. Six days later, we reached a verdict of not guilty. So you really never know.

    • The Casey Anthony jury only deliberated for 11 hours, so it really doesn’t matter how long either way I don’t think. When a trail has a lot, and I mean a lot of hard core evidence they might come back within an hour or two, but this case does not have the evidence to back up Juan’s claims.

      • I can only hope that the little troll over-tried his case like the Anthony trial…then this will be all worth seeing his ugly little face upon the verdict!

    • Me too, maria, been thinking of her all day.. I tell my friends and they look at me amazed.. but I can’t help that.

      I kept looking and all I got was the seal.. so I went out for dinner at 8.30.. came back and found the seal still there..

      What Jodi must be going through is agony.. I only wish I was there on the jury, I would insist they listen to me and decide, its just not fair on her 🙁

  11. Good afternoon SJ, MB, Sirlips, tonysam, maria, cindy j., CanadaLinda, Sil, Krista, Trixels and truth!

    🙂

  13. OK, you guys keep overlooking my posts so I am going to ask again…… (what’s a girl gotta do over here? lol) Will we know if the jury asks for any clarification or for anything to be looked at evidence wise?

    • tnlucy,I saw your post but I have no idea.Hope sm here can help you.

        • tnlucy,
          The trials I have watched, if a juror asked a question, we will know.
          Not positive about AZ.

          I wasn’t really sure. Not ignoring you though. : )
          But in the OJ trial they had a question about the limo driver.

          • Guess what? No body liked OJ either!! Yet he was found not guilty..and the Brown family is still trying to hang him high!!

            • OJ may not be a convicted murderer but he is a well documented woman abuser, and there are pictures and 911 calls from Nicole to prove that he beat the shit out of her. I think that alone is enough for the family to want him dead. Just sayin…

              • I’m just saying that I watched the trial and the jury was sequestered and I know of one question that the jurors sent to the judge before the verdict and the question was something about the limo drivers testimony..

    • It’s a good question. I don’t know who would have the answer to it.

    • I dont think so. We will know after wards, but i doubt they have cameras and crews in the courtroom waiting each time they ask for something to be read or detailed. I could be wrong.

      Plus, there is no assurance that they will get any details they ask for. The supreme court has been clear on “read backs”, but that doesnt mean the judge has to allow it. Silly IMO…but thats par for this court.

      • Camera’s on and crews there. Plus reporters.

        Of course the discussion might be at sidebar or in chambers, in which case we’re SOL

        • I read somewhere that they wasn’t letting reports in courtroom, they are just hanging around in hallways and stuff.

        • If it’s a minor issue, in trials I’ve been involved in, I’ve experienced it being conducted during a conference call between the judge and counsel for both sides. In other instances (especially when it involved testimony read backs), it’s been conducted in open court, but I tend to think in this case, it would be conducted in chambers.

          As I said on the last page, there may be some evidence that the jury doesn’t have access to in the jury room such as anything fragile. I think, but am not positive, that some of the receipts might fall into that category. If so, the bailiff would have to bring that evidence to them and remain present while they examined it. The magazines, if they were admitted (not sure) might also fall into that category. I’m also not sure about the audio recording. I don’t know if they have constant access to that or if the bailiff would play it for them upon request. However, this type of evidence would not require notifying counsel (as far as I’m aware) and therefore, the media would not be aware of it either.

          This is my best guess based on my experience but things are done differently in AZ, so …

    • They were just bitchin on HLN that NO cameras allowed in the courtroom during deliberations, so we’ll probably know they asked for something . but we probably won’t know what.

    • I am sure the hate club news media HLN will spin on it if they are to ask qustions or want anything pertaining to the trial.

      • Thanks guys! I was afraid we would all be at the mercy of HLN and Nasty Grace if there was any news at all. Sad.

    • I’m afraid we might have to watch HLN. I have it up on mute with closed caption on so I can watch the verdict clock.
      They recently announced there were no jury requests yet, but for sure they would let us know the moment the jury asks a question of the judge – in between all the hostilities.

    • Generally, if it is evidence, i.e., an exhibit it can be reviewed. In some jurisdictions the jury can ask for transcripts of testimony, but it doesn’t seem like that is allowed in AZ, although I don’t know. From what Stephens said, they would give a note to the bailiff, who would give it to her, and if she could figure out how, she would let the exhibit be examined.

    • I would think we would hear something from all the correspondences there… they have ways……

  14. You are right The issue is Jodi admitted to killing Travis. So this isn’t a who done at trial, it so why did she do it trial. That’s the difference between The OJ trial and the CA trial.

  15. IMO, no fast verdict means that right now there is no unanimous decision. THAT means there are members who are in favor of acquittal or at the very least manslaughter. This is good people!.. Now they just have to persuade the others. SJ, if you’re reading this, please re-post Cheney Mason’s chart on reasonable doubt. Whenever i read it my confidence in the outcome soars. There’s no way she can be found guilty of 1st or 2nd. NO F-ING WAY!

    • Yeah that repost would be great I missed it I think. Was it very informative ?

    • Canada Linda,

      I totally agree…. however, we know that they all didn’t agree on felony murder or M1 otherwise they would of alredy come back with the verdict. I hope ” little man ” is spinning like crazy in his desk chair saying ” WTF ” is taking so long, I gave them the instructions on what to say, and how to come to the M1 verdict….. ( such a dick face).

      Jodi girl, hang in there, this is a good sign, that there are a few jurors that are on your side………. do I hear MANSLAUGHTER or AQUITALL? I am leaning more with manslaugter since she did confess to the murder. Unless they are buying the story that there are others involved.

      Such a mystery at this point.

  16. What time is rush hour in that area?

    Maybe final lunch, verdict and leave before rush hour.

    • “Rush hour” is more than getting home before the 5 p.m. crowd, I’m afraid.

      It could be called “escape hour.”

      • Tonysam,

        LOL ” ESCAPE HOUR” traffic is only bad in the downtown area …. However, this courthouse is close to the airport, sure hope those jurors have their plane tickets to get the hell out of AZ…..

        • I sure as hell would get out of Arizona and not come back until September, if ever.

    • oh my god i would throw up if that happens. but on the bright side it could mean they believed jodi and its manslaughter even better not guilty!!!

    • Why would juror 8 be inside the courthouse? He’s been dismissed…. that would be tainting the jurors….

    • They should be sequestered Here in Canada, once the jury goes to deliberation they are sequestered until a verdict is reached. My brother was a juror on a sexual assault case. The jurors were put up in a hotel: no TV, no newspapers, no internet. Bailiff out in the hallway.

      • Same here in my state……… just another reason for appeal if needed. Never heard of letting the jurors decided on when they want to deliberate making their own schedule. Seems like you can do whatever the hell you want in AZ…. Keep the faith going, hopefully we will know soon…

      • Exactly CanadaLinda,

        And most of the time the jury is sequestered from the start of the trial. Gag orders and ban on media coverage is not uncommon either.

        I’d like to see JM start his crap in one of the courts up here in Canada, he’d be moving into the cell next door to Bubba! lol

      • Kurt Nurmi did try to get them sequestered for the deliberations, … judge said nope..

    • I don’t know cindy…I am sure they had to eat in the deliberation room so as not to be accosted outside by the media onslaught….

      • I don’t know Janeen. HLN said some of them went out for lunch. Only for an hour though. Not for an hour and a half like usual.

    • There’s a cafeteria at most courthouses, so I would imagine the jurors probably went there. I don’t think they’d want to risk braving it to go to a restaurant, but perhaps the court personnel is providing them with security to do that, if they desire.

  19. When I heard the questions from the jury through out the trial, to me at least, It sounds like they have two different camps on that jury. Some are dripping with sarcasm, “like how could we EVER believe a word you say!?” and others were more understanding like, and asking questions about how much Travis beat Jodi and degraded her. So I think it will take a while. I have not slept in 2 days! I just got too nervous and my adrenaline flowing. So I think I will say goodnight to you all and talk again manana. Adios, Jesse. Hugs and Kisses to you all! xoxoxox MEOW TEAM JODI!

  20. This is the most B.S. court system………. they should of had lunch bought for them so they can continue to deliberate over lunch…. not taking an hour lunch break with the MEDIA mobbing the courthouse. Then come back for 3 1/2 hours………….. then start all over tomorrow. Why not stay until you reach a verdict. Gosh this is the most assward back state for a DP case.

    C’mon jurors make the right decision……. Prayers for JODI and her family and defense team.

    • It’s ridiculous they’re breaking for lunch!! Why not eat inside while delibearting?Hasnt this ordeal already taken too long?Why unnecessarily prolonging it?

      • They have to be allowed breaks under federal law. They can’t be required to work through lunch. That might be something they could request, but it can’t be mandatory.

    • This jury has been subjected to the media, outside people’s opinions, people waiting outside the courthouse, they see all of this unfolding. This jury should have been in sequester. The judge was so stupid for not sequestering them.

  21. Maybe after he loses the trial, JM can get a job modeling for Baby Gap.

  22. Why does everyone over there say this has to do with him not taking her to Cancun? Anyone who has ever BOOKED A VACATION knows that you cant just change the names on the tickets that close to the leave date. He died only 6 days before they were going . How HOW I ASK YOU was he going to change the ticket without paying more then the ticket cost to begin with. GOD THESE F*ING PEOPLE!! And what is so infuriating is you KNOW THESE MOTHER F^&*(%^ know that because they go onn vactaions all the time off the money they make off of “SICKOS” like Jodi!! PLEASE THE ONLY SICKOSI SEE ARE THE DISGUSTING TRAVIS AND FAMILY AND A STATE THAT HAS GROSSLY LET DOWN THE CONSTITUTION!!

    • I KNOW it’s almost impossible to change tickets. I left my abuser 2 months before our wedding. I tried to have the tickets for our HM to Cancun changed so I could use it for my best friend. They would not allow it. I could only do it if my ex was willing to sign off on the ticket(which he wasn’t) to get a refund which in turn would allow me to purchase a new flight. It used to be a lot easier before 9/11.

    • This has nothing to do with the Cancun trip. Jodi knew a long time before this trip she wasn’t going and that her and TA were going to go to Oregon when he got back. The media will spin anything for a rating as they are waiting for the verdict.

    • Omg I was just going to post something like that!! It would take time to cancel a ticket and rebook another! Also maybe flights were booked thru employer!! The vacation theory is so dumb

    • That’s the lamest argument for motive I’ve ever seen. They claim she went there to convince him (a) to take her to Cancun and (b) to marry her. Well, he couldn’t just have changed his mind and taken her to Cancun at that late date. The best he could have done was to persuade Mimi not to go with him, I guess. But Jodi already knew about his Cancun trip, and she already knew about Mimi (not that Mimi was going, but that he wanted Mimi to marry him). Nothing about that makes sense.

      As for Jodi going there to convince him to marry her, why then was she pursuing dating other people? Oh that’s right, that was just to make him jealous. Huh? And why had she moved away?

      It’s all such nonsense how they make things up and don’t even use their brains to process it. I sure hope the jurors have more sense.

  23. If I’m a juror..I would be thinking this.

    Premeditation evidence is not there because ..

    1. The supposedly stolen gun–No evidence she stole that gun.

    2. Gas cans in her car–She’s driving in the desert, a lot of people know to take extra gas in the desert, plus if she really had wanted to be unseen she would have drawn the money out of the bank and paid cash, takes care of that problem, why go to all that trouble and leave a paper trail?

    3..She dyed her hair–This is possibly the most laughable non-evidence of all. Woman dye their hair everyday, plus the fact she dyed her hair long before this happened.

    4..Her cell phone died..It happens and it is certainly not evidence of premed.

    5..Her license plate was upside down..Big whoop.

    Supposed Motive..Jodi got angry b/c she couldn’t go to Cancun. lol, that’s ridiculous. How stupid is that?

    I see a full acquittal for Jodi, at the most Manslaughter with time served. If the jury comes back with anything more..they have been watching too much HLN.

    • I agree! If they come back with anything less than manslaughter, I would hope SOMEONE would put in a motion to examine their internet history.

      • Yes, if I were the defense and there’s a guilty verdict other than manslaughter I would get a court order for their ISP records and see just what they had been doing.

    • As Nurmi said, the MOST suspicious part of it is “turning off her phone” (JM’s version) or “her phone dying” (Nurmi’s version). That’s it. The most suspicious evidence of premeditation. Have you ever turned your phone off when you went somewhere/took a nap/some other reason and forgot to turn it back on? I sure have. I do it ALL the time. Has your phone ever died? Mine sure does, even when I’m sure I have plenty of charge on it. So, really, would you want to put someone to death because of a phone being turned off/dying? I mean, really?

      • I turn off my phone when I can’t find my charger or am not near my charger, in order to conserve that last bit of juice for when I may need it. I do this so often that I often do not remember to turn it back on again. It is conceivable she did the same thing, especially as it was nighttime and desert–that is, no reception. This is not a unique experience and I am hoping the jurors will have the same thought.

        • Exactly. I do the same thing even walking home from work where there are plenty of people and places around. You want to preserve the last bit of juice for a 911 call, should you need one.

    • you know damn well they are watching HLN when they get home or DVRing it daily!! I think the jury should have been sequestered!

  25. Jodi IS IN THE BUILDING!! SHE WILL NOT BE IN HER JAIL CELL WHILE THEY ARE DELIBERATING !! SHE IS AT THE COURTHOUSE!! YAY SHE IS THERE!! I HOPE SHE CAN FEEL OUR LOVE EVERYONE GROUP HUG ((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((HUG)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

  26. Well…This is my 1st day to post…Cant believe I waited so long…However Iv been lurking since day two
    of the trail…I dont know if Iv been to scared to post or maybe to shy…Iv read every comment on here and agree with almost all them…very intelligent people on this site versus the other sites…I guess i can start bysaying hello everyone!!!! Im glad to be here and Thanks SJ for allowing me to post.

      • I should have started posting sooner…I feel like Im part of the family and havent even talked to anyone. Some very sane people here. I find this case to be crazy that a prosecutor would seek such a harsh penaly.

    • Welcome to the party Gn…!!!! Don’t be afraid of us – we don’t bite….. 🙂

    • Glad you are here GN. I love this site because I don’t have to worry about the pack of rabid wolves attacking me like on facebook or youtube. I honestly believe Travis’s family and friends are the ring leaders of those other sites trying to sway public opinion to their side and make Jodi look guilty. Whoever they all are on those hate sites, they are very scary people.

    • welcome!

      I’m a little late coming on this afternoon…have something major next month I had to start preparing for so I’m not here as much.

      • I don’t post much here either, but this is where I get all my updates. I read every comment too, I laugh, cry, and go nuts sometimes with some of the comments.

    • I go over to Beth Karas’s facebook page and make comments just to piss them off.. they dont like me there..!!!

    • I also have been here since I found the site (day 2 or 3) and like gn have not posted.So many smarter people than me on here.I’ve watched CourtTV since it’s inception and seen what has happened to it .I agree it has changed so much as to be more like “The Enquirer” Have ben duly impressed by all the intelligent posts and look forward to it every day.
      Those other sites seem to me to be both stupid and uneducated I’m sticking in here with each and every one of you for Jodi. Thanks for listening to me..

    • I have heard 7-21 years. I would think with her lack of priors, she would end up on the lower spectrum. She will get credit for time served, and good time. If she got 7 years, I think she would walk.

      • Oh boy…If it’s not an acquittal,this sounds like the perfect alternative.

      • You hear all kinds of crap, so I don’t know if it is true…but I heard during a room search they found 2 ink pens. Crazy as that seems but it goes against “good behaivor” to conceal ink pens.

      • I believe she has to serve 80% of any sentence in AZ even with the good time credits.

  28. I didnt listen, but yesterday CH gave his interview on some show. I followed along twitter with people that were listening.
    Something stuck WAY OUT to me.

    CH states that he broke into TA emails to read them before the police did.

    Anyone else wondering what is up with that?

    • He also claims he has the original 18 page letter sent to the family.

      He is also a pathological liar, and possibly worse, MUCH WORSE.

      He and his wife are disgusting human beings. 🙄

    • Yeah that show was on last night on CNN I think it was called inside the jodi arias trial or something. ITS DISGUSTING!! AREN”T THESE PEOPLE STILL UNDER SUBPOENA!!

      • No, now that the trial is over, their subpoenas would have been lifted.

          • Hi FUJuan, I’m still experiencing my heart racing and feeling very panicky. I’m so lost and confused. I don’t know what to do. Thanks for asking.

    • Yea, I listened to that too, he was able to get TA’s passwords within hours of hearing he was dead and according to CH, he went through all of TA’s emails, and im’s to find evidence against JA. So I’m wondering about what else he tampered with before Flores told him to stop.

      • Why would ”just a friend” do that?What for if not because of hiding sth?

        • maybe because TA was the realdd tothat kid and he had to get rid of the email and ims from sky telling him so.

        • probably removed all dirty business deals, evidence and his own emails. There should have been plenty from him to TA. Was that ever checked?

      • How did he get TA’s passwords or how did he “break in” to his e-mail accounts?

        • He explains it on the broadcast, I’d have to go back and relisten to explain it correctly, but basically from a computer tech.

          • Oh and Jodi’s the stalker?! psshhhttt… Whose the one actually hacking, not just accidentally pressing the back button?

      • Maybe he has TA laptop and the laptop they were searching for stuff was actualy Deanna’s and that’s the reason for it being registered to her, when it was suppose to be a Christmas present. WTF ever…….. they are all liars covering up for each other because they know that there is so much more to this case….. FK U CH… and the rest of the CLAN>

      • WTH! Why was he not charged with tampering with evidence, or hindering an investigation, or SOMETHING? How can that be okay?

    • CH is a weak little man. He is trying to keep his spot in the church by lying and not telling everything he knows. He knew Travis had deep dark secrets, but didn’t say anything during this trial about them. He is disgusting.

    • I just got finished listening to the whole damn thing. I feel like I need to bathe. My mind won’t function to summarize to save y’all the pain of listening, but just don’t. I’ll answer any questions anyone has, but yes, now I know what it must be like to be waterboarded and I’m officially changing my position on enhanced interrogation.

  30. JVM just said that they were stay FAR AWAY from where the jury is coming and going because if they show them it can do terrible damage to the case. Now my question is how would we even know it was the jury unless THEY(HLN) made a big stink about it like “LOOK THERE THEY ARE NOW!” Your thoughts and what kind of damage would it do to the case if the trial is already over? Sorry if this is a stupid question i;m trying to understand.

    • Bias them while making their decision perhaps?

      I have a feeling HLN will show all their faces on national TV if they come back with anything less than M1. Just so that they can ensure anyone who supported Jodi gets harassed.

      • I don’t think the media is allowed to show their faces unless they agree to it. I might be wrong about that, but that’s what I’ve always heard.

  31. I really have to feel for the 3 alternate jurors, sitting in a room twiddling their thumbs. That has to suck!

    • LOL Gail. I hadn’t even thought of them. Yeah, it must really suck! I hope they brought good books with them!

  32. From Huffington post:

    Is Jodi Arias Guilty or Innocent?

    She is guilty of first-degree murder

    65.02%

    She is guilty of a lesser charge

    24.69%

    She is not guilty

    10.29%

    • When a hung jury occurs, the presiding judge declares a mistrial, meaning that the trial has ended without a judgment. In a criminal case, the prosecuting attorney can decide whether or not to pursue a new trial, negotiate a plea bargain, or drop the charges.

      Don’t know that a hung jury is in Jodi’s favor with JUAN…. JUAN would go for a new trial… 🙂 He and TA family wants death….

      • Yeah but a mistrial is better then guilty!! I think it would be awesome if Jaun retried her because when he loses again then EVERYONE will know Jodi was telling the truth AFTER she came clean!! BUT lets keep our fingers crossed for not guilty/manslaughter!!!

      • Yep and keep in mind that when cases are retried, the prosecution has learned a few more tricks and more often than not, wins on the second-go-around. Since JM wouldn’t accept a plea for second degree murder, I think he would opt to retry this case as many times as necessary (assuming his boss allows it and he seems to give JM a great deal of leeway). Jodi is better off with manslaughter right now.

        By the way, I don’t believe she has credits for 5.5 years of time served as others have said. She was incarcerated in, I think, mid-July of 2008. That’s not quite 5 years ago.

          • No, not parole. But in the event of a hung jury, she would be back to the status she’s been in for the last almost 5 years, so she could get out on bond. However, unless they could petition to lower the bond, it’s doubtful she could afford it.

        • He wouldn’t win the second time, or the third time, or the tenth time.

          His case is hopelessly corrupt and inept.

          • This isn’t the usual trial in this country. It reminds me more of Fatty Arbuckle’s trial than anything else.

        • I think realistically if this ends up being a mistrial, they’ll strike a deal. This trial has cost approximately 1.6 million for taxpayers so far, so I think they’ll realize that it’s not worth it to have a whole new trial. Plus with a whole new trial it would be IMPOSSIBLE for her to get a fair trial with all of the press that’s been surrounding this one.

      • Yes, but there’s already a big stink about the cost of this trial. A second trial could conceivably triple the overall cost.

  34. Vinnie says that since Orlando he is feeling very nervous. I told him he should. I told him I fear that the jury will make the wrong decision due to fear instilled by people like him. Asswipe.

  35. Do you guys think i should tell Jennifer about that show last night and what CH said? Isn’t he perjuring him self and aren’t they still subpoenaed?

    • No. Under subpoena until they testify. That is why they were in court for closing.

      But yes. That is odd. Although, at this stage, nothing they can do about CH admitting to hacking into Travis’s email. At least, not until the verdict comes out.

    • Yes, for appeal purposes. And so that he can be prosecuted as well. Was this on Dr. Drew? Link?

    • It’s amazing what the Hughes have managed to get away with. Releasing evidence, twittering under subpoena, feeding the prosecution info while watching the trial when they weren’t suppose to. smh

  36. OMG Chris and Sky Hughs made their way up to the 5th floor where the court room is and were hugging the public who are there. Why are they there? It’s not like they are family…geez

    • What HYPOCRITICAL lowlife scum-sucking LEECHES……

      Where’s MB’s cactus????????????

      • It does my heart good that so many ppl are praying for Jodi!!
        What angers me the most is that no one feels that the statement Travis made on the sex tape, about you sounding like a 12 year old school girl having her first orgasm is SICK and totally wrong!! Who says something like that?

        • As bad as that was, the “I raped you” comment actually disturbed me more.

          • I dealt with the 12 year old comment for a while, as sick as it was, I disregarded it as a tacky, awful thing to say but, possibly could have looked past it in the jury room. Then when I heard what he followed up with (c(p)orking the pot) that was it for me. He officially became a sick twisted bastard in my opinion… and “Dr” Dumbass (drew) on HLN makes me sick for suggesting that’s normal male fantasies.

    • They were hugging the public?WTF???Who do they think they are?Pop stars??What have they done to deserve celebrity treatement?

  38. Waiting with my fingers crossed. Come on jury! Do the right thing. Don’t be victims of the State’s lies and exaggerations and public hatred.

    • fingers, toes, eyelashes, eyebrows, hair………cat’s paws….cat’s whiskers……(things crossed hoping for the JUST verdict….LOL LOL)

      Hi Gwen!!!

  39. Eff. This is infuriating. The day after the case went to the jury, Samantha Alexander, Travis’ sister, posted the following on her FB account:

    “I’m canceling my Facebook. I have received thousands of messages from many wonderful supporters. I never go on Facebook so they have piled up. I don’t want to offend anyone for not responding. I am simply never on Facebook. Thank you for your support and prayers.”

    Yep. Samantha Alexander no longer needs the Travis Taliban, and could not abandon them fast enough. Naturally, the Alexander minions aren’t smart enough to see Samantha’s diss for what it was:

    “Cathy James Schiffke Thank you for allowing me to support your family and Travis during the trial. Wishing you all the best of everything. Justice won’t be long now! <3"

  41. This line, above all else, tells me M with premeditation is not possible:

    An act is not done with premeditation if it is the instant effect of a sudden quarrel or heat of passion.

  42. Lets not forget what we are here for! We are here to support to Jodi!
    And keep in mind, Iv agreed with SJ from Day 1 well day 2 when I
    found this page, the prosecution has not done their job. All theories
    have been blasted by the defense on the PM.

    Im from Arkansas (dont be making fun of me) we have the death penalty
    and I have set on a DP jurior. Trust me it is very hard and difficult to have
    such a burden. With that being said the prosecutor is WAY OFF BASE.

    Sorry my spelling isnt very good either…Im a super fast thanker and a very slow typer
    so sometimes I make no sense.

    • I live in Arkansas as well…well almost in LA but still in AR nonetheless 🙂

    • It’s good to hear what your experience has been on a DP jury. Knowing how seriously a juror takes the responsibility is something to remember as we wait. Thanks.

  44. The nutters are FREAKING OUT that the jury has not decided the case yet. What a bunch of idiots!

    • So is Vinnie Politan. He seems to think this shoulda been decided in about 20 minutes by the way he’s talking!

    • And when they come back with a verdict less than M1, they will be saying they didn’t take enough time!

    • Right now they arent my priority LOL!We can celebrate first and then enjoy their pathetic ‘downfall’ !

  45. I personally think that a longer deliberation is good. That means the jurors are looking at things closely and it takes time to go over everything especially if they start at PM and are working their way down the instructions.

    • But I would ask this: Why go over it when it is clear the prosecution had nothing to go on and his main witnesses lied in court?

      There is nothing here to deliberate.

      • So true…however, that could be what the jury is trying to way on know. When I was on a jury and the case didnt last near as long as this one. You want to make it right and our FIRST question was about the PM part. It is something that as humans you want to get right. That one question took us over 6 hours to figure out.

        • Gn ….. Thank you again. Tell us more, if you care to. What you are sharing is very interesting.

          • I dont mind sharing if you dont mind all my typos…lol

            All kidding aside it is alot more difficult then what people think. Cause as humans you always want to do “the right thing.” And you do want justice. However, in this case most hater call justice…justice for travis, but we all know its not just about about travis its also about jodi.

            KN hit a cord with me when he said in closing….” something happen between the photo in the shower when travis was alive to the photo and the time he was dead.” he also stated TO the jury that they are “the finder of facts”. Those two points will set VERY WELL with the jury cause of all the choas the prosecutor has made in this case.

            • So what did you think about JM’s closing? No seriously, I’m curious about your take on it.

              • Honestly, he bounced around to much and NEVER drove any points home. REMEMBER part of their theories one of them being jealously. How Jodi was extremely jealous of Mimi Hall. Never heard that name in closing unless i missed it.
                Im not sure why the prosecution didnt take M2. Apperantly he was pushed into it by the family.

                • Yes, he did that all through the trial, trying to convince the jury to make sense out of nonsense. Thanks for your input.

                  Gn, I do have one burning question, then I promise to leave you alone. Since you have been on a DP jury how do you think the jury is thinking and feeling in regards to the pressure of this case being given national attention? What do you think it’s like for them when they go home at night … do you think a lot of pressure is weighing on them? I’m sure they know it’s getting national media coverage, even if they don’t know what kind of coverage, because after all it was being covered long before the trial began. I’m hoping they are following the no talk, no listen, instructions. From what you’ve shared it sounds as if they will honor that.

                • I may not like many of the family’s actions, but I can tell you for a fact, GN, that the decision to take a plea or go to trial is NOT the family’s decision. The ultimate decision maker in that regard is the prosecutor’s office — that would be between JM and his supervisors, which, at his level is the county attorney, himself. While they are required to listen to the input of the survivor family and it is requested that they take their input into consideration, they are not obliged to seek the death penalty simply because the family requests that they do. The decision to do so and to reject the proffered plea deal is that of the county attorney and his alone.

                  I know someone in another state whose parents were killed and the surviving family members vehemently requested the death penalty be taken off the table, and the prosecutor’s office proceeded with it anyway. I have also known prosecutors who disagreed with their superiors’ decisions and/or the survivors’ decisions regarding how to proceed with a case and had little say in the matter.

              • Another thing I liked about KN was he kept referring to evidence in his closing statement with a common sense approach.

                • Gn,
                  Did you find, when you were deliberating, that the clash of personalities was evident?

                  I served on a jury, it was my turn to talk (we went around the table) and another juror called me a horrible name and told me his opinion of ME! Needless to say the rest of the jurors heard me (I was a note taker) and the verdict went exactly as I had voted in the beginning, I held fast. Maybe something I said in the few minutes I spoke, (I refused to say another word after that juror was so offensive), maybe something I said was very convincing because after we all finished speaking the votes turned and what was a minority (I was on the minority in the beginning) prior to the round table, became the majority…except the dick head held out until the very end…he had a hard time admitting we were right and he had NO facts on which to base his opinion.

                  I’m surprised there haven’t been reports of deliberating juries breaking out into melees.

              • Natalie….your not bothering me at all. Im just glad i finally got enough nerve to post.

                Anyway about your question concerning the pressure of jury and the national media.
                IMHO…it SHOULDNT have any effect on them if they play by the rules. Where the real pressure is…is on deciding the case. Thats were the pressure is..just MO.

                • Dorothy….We never had that issue…what a jerk though. According to the instruction we followed. We spoke our finding strickly off evidence everyone participated. It there were questions people would simply state the facts based on evidence. For me it was rather a cordal experience.

                • Thanks so much for sharing your experience GN. It’s soooo good to hear that juries base their findings on the evidence. Our system is NOT broken!

      • I figure they took a preliminary poll and it was split. So that’s good and I’m gonna stick with GOOD.

  46. You know kills me (no pun intended) is that they use that 48hours video and inside edition against Jodi and now all those dumb asses get on TV and are doing the same thing. What the hell are they going to do if there is a mistrial and KN and JW use all THESE INTERVIEWS to not only get Jodi out of jail but put them in it along with Samantha and skeletor . I would love every minute of that!!

    • OMG really! Wouldn’t it be great if they were subjected to the BS they spew on HLN? And you know, if there was another trial and they testified differently, it could be used against them. Although, I’m not sure that would be in favour of the defendant …

  47. Well wouldn’t you know it. Some tool hit a power pole so I have been without power all afternoon. Now I have to get rdy for a night shift. I am bursting with stress here!!! Hang in everybody we need each other. Have a good evening!

  48. 8 Men 4 Women seems to be favorable to the defense. It appears the majority of Jodi Haters (for some crazy reason) seem to be woman. Jealousy is a very strong motivator I’m sure. The longer the jury stays out, the more confident I will feel, as far as a favorable verdict is concerned, HLN is still cheer-leading for the prosecution. At lest we don’t have to look at Nancy Dis-Grace until later.. That woman should have been charged with driving a poor young mother to suicide with her big mouth. Have you ever noticed that JVM & Dis-Grace only take calls from Anti-Jodi callers. Take about bias journalism. That news organization (CNN) should be ashamed of themselves, by the way they allowed their reporters to be so one sided in reporting on this Capital Murder case.

    • I honestly think the Mormon to non-Mormon split on the jury is going to wield more heavily than the male-female split.

      • I am also glad a few are older. Many of us here are over the age of 40, and it seems age brings wisdom.

        • well….Massengil is in the upper age group and he’s as dumb as the box the douche comes in….just saying…..

  49. I am not turning my TV on because I fear seeing NG perched on an electric line near the courthouse waiting to swoop like a VULTURE!. I just read a story about a missing hiker in France whose body was picked apart by vultures before it could be retrieved. This reminded me of the whole crew at HLN. I hope the bird at hand is crow for the whole lot of them!! I am crossing everything hoping for justice for Jodi!!

    • Thank you, me too, read that story also . Thanking God for the wonderful support and of course all the prayers .

  50. I think the 48 hours and all that entered into trial is non sense…personally none of that had ANYTHING to do with the crime.

    • It had nothing to do with it–it only served to poison public opinion when it was obvious from the beginning Jodi had been traumatized.

      She appeared like she was some kind of pod person–something was not right with her, and we know now it was from the PTSD.

      I get disgusted with the fact the media EVER talked to her when they knew she hadn’t had a lawyer.

      • You said it all poison public opinion….and isnt that what the prosecutor and all haters have thrived on.

        • Yes Gn,
          You nailed it.
          It pisses me off that they even have to say the most hated woman in America.
          I’ll bet if they took a poll on that, the knotheads on HLN would win it.

          I don’t know how we’re going to stop them. ALL of them have her guilty of eveything
          before the trial even starts, even lie

          That’s just not right!

  51. I heard that Chris and Sky Hugh(s) Liars went over to the media on the 5th floor but were kicked out..

    LMAO

    such assholes.. although they may be scared shitless that when Jodi walks THEY will be in the crosshairs!!

  52. I was reading the Juror Instructions.
    Every time I see The Honorable Sherry K. Stephens I have to laugh and roll my eyes. Honorable my ass.

    One instruction I couldn’t and wouldn’t go by is not thinking about what the punishment is for a particular charge and verdict.
    Sorry. If someone can be put to death based on my decision I promise you it’s going to weigh on my decision. Death is permanent. If I find out at a later time I made the wrong decision I’d have a hell of a time dealing with that.
    When I think of the DP I think of a truly heinous crime or crimes. Something that was cruel and inhuman.

    I’d like to see Juan Martinez put to death if anyone involved in this trial should be.

        • I bet he IS at the moment!! Oh what I wouldnt give to catch a glimse of his ugly face agonizing!!

          • Oh, don’t you just KNOW that the little goblin is going nuts? After Jodi, he’s got the most riding on the juries verdict. It would be beyond sweet to watch that jag-off lose after all the grandstanding.

  53. These court watchers looked like total losers. Not many either. None in camouflage dress.

  54. Waiting for this verdict is sooo agonizing! Can you imagine how poor Jodi must be feeling? All I can do is pray, hope and send all the positive energy I can muster her way. Justice for Jodi!

  56. I posted this on this morning page!!

    Since we all up in NG chyt today…….here’s my contribution . What a lying shrew she is!!

    THE DOCUMENTED STORY OF THAT CRIME

    The Murder of Keith Griffin.

    What has she told us about what happened that violent day?
    In searching through interviews, magazine and newspaper articles here is what she has said.

    Then there are the documented facts gleaned from interviews with Jurors, Attorneys, Judge, Witnesses and newspapers in the area.

    First the date, she has said at various times, it happened in 1987, 1985, 1982 and 1980. You would think a date that according to Ms. Grace “changed her life forever” would be burned into her soul. A seminal event!

    The date was August 6, 1979[1].

    She said it happened in a remote wilderness.

    It was on the entrance road to the Georgia Kraft Plywood Co. and US Hwy. 278, 1 ½ miles from downtown Madison Ga.[2]

    She said her boyfriend did not know his assailant.[3]

    They were friends, work for the same construction Co. In fact the prosecutor at trail based part of his case on the assailant killing a friend.[4]

    She said her boyfriend was 25.
    He was 23.

    She said the assailant was 25.
    He was 19

    Said assailant was on parole
    He was not.

    Said he had a record.
    He did not

    Said it was a murder for profit
    It was not
    The man was out for revenge after being fired from his job at the construction Co.

    Said her boyfriend was driving a jeep,
    It was a Bronco that belonged to the Construction Co.

    Said it was robbery
    It was not.

    Said they found Keith’s wallet with $35.00 and her picture in McCoy’s home
    No wallet was found in his home. Just the 38 cal. revolver Ser# 33866[13]. (Griffin’s wallet was found several days after the incident in the Bronco, by Eli Ingram,)

    Said it was a mugging.
    It was not.

    Said it was random.
    It was not.

    Said he was still alive when he arrived at the hospital.
    He was pronounced dead at the scene

    Said she was asked by Joe Briley the District Attorney if he should seek the death penalty.

    Grace said she told him No and has regretted it ever since. (If that were true you would think Briley would have asked Griffin’s parents. rather than a 21 yr. old kid)[

    The State did ask for the Death Penalty. The jury voted against it

    She said she testified at the trial

    Two Jurors, a Bailiff, a Defense attorney a Court Reporter and Judge do not remember any “white girl testifying”. (The transcripts were destroyed in a fire.) .

    The Defendant never looked at her.

    The accused stared at the floor during the entire trial. In fact he never spoke a word to his lawyer or anybody before, during or after the trial. (One exception)*

    She said McCoy’s defense was “didn’t do it, you got the wrong guy
    The truth is… there was never a doubt by anyone he did the crime (there is a confession)

    The defense was insanity.[20]
    Said the Jury was out 3 days
    Jury was out 5 hrs.
    She said there were many appeals
    There were none
    Says she is 44 years old
    She is 47.

    Documented narrative of what really happen August 6, 1979.

    Keith Griffin 23, from Athens GA. and Tommy McCoy 19, an illiterate, mentally challenge Blackman, worked together for the Ingham Construction Co. on the Georgia Kraft Plywood Co. site outside Madison Ga.

    McCoy was fired and was out for revenge. On Monday the 6th of August Mccoy left his house with a 38 cal. Revolver stashed in a brown paper bag.

    Keith Griffin had taken the company Bronco to town to pick up lunch. Returning to Kraft he saw McCoy walking down the Company road at the intersection of US Hwy. 278.

    Griffin stopped either to talk or to give a ride to McCoy. It is not clear which.

    McCoy fired six shots at point blank range, five of which found their mark… McCoy then dumped the body in the back seat and in his rush, drove the Bronco in a ditch.

    Joe Brown, a maintenance worker for the plant drove by in his truck and not knowing what had happed offered to help McCoy. He refused. Brown drove a few yards decided to return. He told McCoy he would take him to the hospital because of all the blood on his shirt.

    The assailant then jumped in the passenger side of Brown’s truck, put the gun in the f ace of the Maintenance worker and pulled the trigger twice, ( At trial he said the gun looked like a “stove pipe”) The gun was empty, Brown ran and McCoy took of in his truck..

    Minutes later friends of Brown’s showed up and said they saw the truck and knew where it was. It was parked in McCoy’s driveway. He was arrested a few minutes later with the gun in his possession.

    Keith Griffin was pronounced dead at the scene.

    Tommy got a lawyer, a good one, Billy Prior. According to Prior, McCoy never said a word to him before, during or after the trail. (One exception)*. During the entire 1 ½ day trail the defendant stared at the floor without moving. Prior did a magnificent job explaining the psychiatric reports and mental history of the retarded defendant. McCoy had been judged “mildly retarded” by the Ga. Central State Hospital. (By the way, no one remembers a “white girl” testifying.)

    It worked! The jury turned down the death penalty.

    When the Jury came back and announced they would not render a death penalty verdict. McCoy turned to his lawyer and uttered his only words. “Does that mean I’m gonna live”?*

    Tommy McCoy, GDC ID: 0000400964 was convicted of murder, aggravated assault (Brown) and found not guilty of robbery. He was sentence to life, with possibility of parole.

    He is in his 26th year at the Hancock State Prison at Sparta Ga,

    “She has bent some stuff,” said Steve Griffin, Keith Griffin’s brother, in an interview with The Observer. “The reality of it is, the guy killed him. I know that. Our family knows that. There’s nothing we can do to bring him back. What she’s gonna say, she’s gonna say. I’m not gonna stop it. “But if she doesn’t tell the truth, it’s gonna come out sooner or later.”

    • Oh please post this on the HLN page but make sure you identify the LIAR as Nancy Grace

    • Like I said in an earlier post, anyone that will lie about the murder of their fiance for personal gain (if they were even engaged and not just dating) has no soul!

    • Another minor thing, if this happened in 1979 and she is 47 now, then she was only 14 when it happened. I know in Georgia you can get married young, but I think this is stretching it.

    • If NG was 21 years old in 1979…she is more like 54-55 years old now. RIGHT?

  57. maryellenabc15 #travisalexander close friends have filtered up to the courtroom lobby. Nervous energy while they wait for a #jodiarias trial verdict about 1 minute ago · reply · retweet · favorite

    maryellenabc15 @MarthaSBenton #jodiarias is kept at the jail until verdict comes down. 3 minutes ago · reply · retweet · favorite

    maryellenabc15 @KimFab22 Rule of thumb:the quicker they return = better 4 the prosecution — the longer they stay out = better for defense. 4 minutes ago · reply · retweet · favorite

    maryellenabc15 @KimFab22 too hard to predict — especially in a trial that’s been completely unpredictable. 5 minutes ago · reply · retweet · favorite

    Read more: http://www.abc15.com/generic/news/region_phoenix_metro/central_phoenix/Jodi-Arias-trial-Live-video-#ixzz2SY3A5PoB

    • (*&^(*&$*)@*$)(*$)(*)(#%*)(#%*)(#%*)(*%)(#%*)(#%*)(#%*

      Close friends – MY ASS………………

      • I didn’t think she was at the jail. I thought she was at the courthouse??

        • I heard she was being held in a cell in the courthouse each day as the Jury deliberates.

          • I suspected that was BS. It would be too costly for the court, for one thing.

            I’m glad she gets to relax in her normal jail with her friends there. That’s the best thing for her.

    • The deliberation time has nothing to do with the verdict.

      Some juries will want to stall an acquittal so as to not look they rushed into a decision.

      Even a decision that should be so obvious for an acquittal as this case.

  59. I am DYING laughing at the comments on HLN FB.
    This one in particular stood out for obvious reasons:

    When she jsut snapped then were did she get the wapons from? somebody snapps its a spur of the moment thing you dont go and get wapons that is not snapping,you dont bring wapons when you just snapp,how would she know she is going to snapp? when you snapp, and you have to get the wapons gives you still time to get out of it.This was not snapping nurmi this was slaughter premetitated and nothing else.You and wilmot knew from beginning this case is based on lies, you knew there was no dv you know Travis was no phedophile and yet you still trashed him,falsely accused him ,slandered him…. this makes you not any better then this killer.Shame on you.There is no respect for you but only contemt in my eyes.

    • Hah! I guess we shouldn’t be surprised. We all knew these people couldn’t string a series of coherent sentences together. Apparently the person who wrote that has never heard of spell check.

    • SNAP CRACKLE POP !

      Laughing here & catching up on posts.
      I went out from 3-9pm. Met up with friends went shopping and had a nice dinner.
      There were a bunch of Mormon men in the restaurant.
      I could not help but notice them, they had their black pants and crisp white shirt on, name tags with pen and pad in pocket.
      I drove home wondering if there was a verdict. I do not have a cell phone so I was out of contact for hours. I got in the house turned on TV no verdict. I was relieved. This means they are taking their time and no rush to judgement.

  60. tnlucy,
    JM saying “what’s a girl to do” made my husband really mad. He’s very protective of his little girl, she’s close to Jodi’s age. He said, no juror that has been through the ups and downs off their daughter’s dating relationship is going to like his “what’s a girl to do” snarling.

    • Everything that little twerp said was offensive. He is so clueless that his behavior is offensive. I remember him saying naked man in the shower or some shit during his closing.

      • Yes, earlier today, you wrote a post and put in () what’s a girl to do, I thought you were poking fun at JM using “what’s a girl to do” theme

  61. You know kills me (no pun intended) is that they use that 48hours video and inside edition against Jodi and now all those dumb asses get on TV and are doing the same thing. What the hell are they going to do if there is a mistrial and KN and JW use all THESE INTERVIEWS to not only get Jodi out of jail but put them in it along with Samantha and skeletor . I would love every minute of that!! Your thoughts!!

  62. Bullies, everyone hates them. IMO Travis was a bully. While, and I hope not, some of the men may think Jodi a booty call. I bet they have all experienced a bully. Something tells me this and real men Do not treat their women like Travis did. If those men are married, their wives may have told them about a man who treated them badly it each of the jurors may have been bullied. To me in death only Travis looked pitiful, but in life he was an arrogant lying, sodomite. I am not knocking anyone’s sex life but with a woman as hot as Jodi, you don’t have sex or passion like that. I think the jury will see this. I know you may not agree but I think the numerous stab wounds will lead the Jury straight to Crime of Pasion/manslaughter. I feel it works in her favor. The stupid gas cans, please. I live in Vegas. My besties live in Reno their last trip here they used has cans. While HLN may find this odd the good people on the jury will know the terrain here out West. My only only concern, is they are ass holes like Juan. But now , I am not but, then again, no ofence to anyone, the Jury may be like the previous GOV of Arizona, the olive in AZ and not like Juan the cocky abusive Mexican whom many in AZ feel all should be deported. Please don’t bash me. I am stating facts. Oh I was waiting for this day. I want an acquittal. I was in tears during Nurmis closing. Cried when he said manslaughter Cried when he said he didn’t like her 9out of 10 times. How many men are going to break her heart? Ok. Mormon mom with a Mormon son, for Jodi! If my child treated anyone like Travis did Jodi, I would beat his ass. Twice! Thanks SJ!

    Patty

    • If I had a daughter, and Travis referred to her in any of the manners he referred to Jodi in, what Jodi (allegedly) did would look like a soft kiss compared to what I would do to him.

      Truth.

      😎

        • AND, I have three grown sons. If one of them spoke to a girl that way or behaved that way, I would go psycho on them. I love my boys unconditionally, but this deviant behavior is UNACCEPTABLE.

          • I have 2 grown sons as well Renee, and IF they ever treated a girl badly, like Travis did with Jodi, their lives wouldn’t be worth living once I got done with them!!!

              • Tony, both my boys know better cause they also know I’d f’n kill them…figuratively speaking. They know what I’ve been through, so they know I have ZERO tolerance for any bad behaviour towards women. Even if I hadn’t gone through it, I’d still have zero tolerance!! Thank you for your kind words!

                • You brought up your sons the right way! Boys should always know to treat girls/women with respect, courtesy, and deference!

          • AMEN my friend!!! My son would know what blue balls look and feel like if he EVER spoke to or treated a woman like the saint……

            He’d get away with it once because I wouldn’t know about it. He wouldn’t get away with it a second time. And I adore my son…..I would give up my life for my kids….BUT as Renee said…there are certain things and behaviors that are UNACCEPTABLE.

          • Funny you should mention that about your sons, I had to laugh because I have always told my sons they would be dealing with me if they ever mistreated a woman. They always bring it up when talking to friends that their Mother would kill them herself if they ever treated a woman in such a manner. In fact my oldest works with a woman who is a bit older and if he sees she’s lifting or moving something heavy he always goes over to help. One day she told him you know you don’t need to do this and he told her are you kidding me? My mother would knock me up along side my head if I just turned away! She told him to tell me thank you for raising a man. LOL

      • My son had a friend that treated girlfriends like doormats, and he treated his mother the same way. One day, this friend was bad mouthing his mother and girlfriend, and my son told him,

        “if I ever talked to or about my mother like you do, she’d slap my face for me. I don’t even want to know what she would do to me if I treated a girlfriend like a piece of trash, and honestly I don’t want to know…my Mom doesn’t tolerate treating women badly!”

        I was so proud of him when I heard that.

      • Ditto, I do have daughters and grandaughters and if I or my husband knew that they were
        treated this way by a man, G d help that man. He would feel our wrath

        • I now remember an incident my sister told to me once when she went to a abortion rights protest. My sister was part of the pro-choice crowd and there were pro-life protesters on the other side of a barricade. Both sides got into shouting matches with each other of course. Well I’ll cut to the chase and say that one pro-life woman and one man who suppported the pro-choice women were in each others faces yelling and screaming at each other. The pro-choice man proceeded to punch the pro-life woman in the face! BIG MISTAKE on his part! His fellow pro-choice women(my sister included) turn on him like a pack of wild dogs.

          They punched and kicked the hell out of him big time! The police arrested the bastard and took him away! My sister and the rest of the pro-choice women went to ask the pro-life woman if she was okay and if she needed medical attention. She was crying of course and she was upset. She thanked all of them and said she appreciated their concern even if they were on opposite sides of the abortion issue. My sister looked at the women and said “Even if we are on opposing sides here today, you’re still a member of my gender and no bastard man on this earth has any right to hit or abuse you!” The woman with tears running down her face hugged my sister and said “THANK YOU!”

          Talk about women bonding with each other.:-)

  63. My Mom was just listening to her XM radio and some idiot just said …’well, nobody likes Jodi Arias…’ and then went on with a hateful ignorant tirade.
    I heard my Mom shout out …’ I like her, you moron’……..and she turned off the radio and went outside to smell the flowers on the deck to smooth her feathers…

    I am so sick of hearing so much judgemental, hate-filled crap on the media I could scream.

    There happens to be many of us just like us here that think something is very wrong with the picture painted by this puny little man Martinez, who is mainly looking for another ‘notch’ in his belt ………..a
    and think this girl defended herself the best way she could.

    I’m sure some would be happy if Jodi were dead and Travis was waiting for this jury, but that is the only other outcome that could have played out differently given the fact that they were together, this guy attacked her and she is the survivor.

    I am keeping Jodi in my prayers and thoughts as much as I can and ask all the higher powers to help with fairness and compassion and a positive outcome for Jodi and her family.

    I’m so glad I found this site, I was beginning to think the whole world had filled up their ‘hate tanks’ and could not find their way out…….
    I just googled what I was thinking after hearing a month of testimony….’Jodi is innocent’ and voila there you guys are.
    You know before I did my own detective work with an open mind I was thinking this girl MUST be guilty…….gee sooooo much evidence…but then I thought, wait a minute I need to calm down and really ponder and watch all that is happening here in this trial. I am a body language buff and pretty darn astute in reading people now that I have had to learn that over the years and I have decided that Jodi is:

    A young girl who was in love with an abusive, manipulating jerk who finally took his control too far and she defended herself…………Travis died, Jodi lived…….end of story.

    Love and Light to all of you………and especially to you Jodi…….hope you are reading our posts here my dear.

    • (((((((((((RanchMom)))))))))))))) thank you for having an open mind, and for thinking on your own, rather than succumbing to “group think”

    • You know you are super awesome Maria!! Everyone here is super awesome!! we could all be doing something else(most SHOULD be doing something else LOL) But we are here getting sick with worry for a women who could some day be anyone of us. Thats what i wish The haters would realize.you never know what your life will bring regardless of the line you toe. This poor woman really could be any one them just as easily as it could be one of us!!

      • You’ re so right.Sympathy,solidarity,empathy,feeling the other person’s pain and wanting to relieve it,are among the most noble causes-we should cherish and admire that.That’s what makes us humans.If we lack these,we might as well consider ourselves animals.

  65. GOOD NEWS: The jury has been out long enough that Vinnie Politan and Jinkasaurus were discussing why the jury may come back with 2nd degree or manslaughter. They never considered anything less than M1 before today.

    • Awww should I shed a tear for them? How utterly and completely ridiculous that given the very nature of this case, the flimsy evidence of premeditation, the quite outrageous theory of felony murder, and the exceptional testimony of the defense experts, they NEVER considered any other verdict until today?

  66. On HLN, Vinnie Politan said that more often than not the verdict comes in during the afternoon, not the morning. For whatever it’s worth…

    • Because Vinnie Politan knows it all. He also seems to think that I can only get the news that the verdict is in by following him on Twitter and to that I say, nay! LOL Due to limited bandwidth internet because I live in the middle of nowhere, I have to watch on TV unfortunately and I’m TIRED of being told by him that he’s my only source of knowing when the verdict is in because he most def is not 🙂

      • I remember that OJ’s verdict came in around 1 PM Eastern (I was in college then) and Casey’s came in around 2:15 Eastern.

        • I could swear that I remember Jeffrey Dahmer’s verdict coming in at a weird time, like on a Saturday evening, but don’t quote me! That was over 20 years ago.

    • Sometimes, and perhaps he’s referring to AZ specifically. I’ve seen jurors opt to deliberate into the late hours of the evening before because they were close to a verdict though.

  67. I don’t think you can tell by how much time. But I do believe if they were going M1 they would have already been back. Considering that is the first thing they had to decide and the fact that there is NO evidence for it.

  68. HAA HAA HAAA! Ok let me get this straight only 1 of travis’ real friends showed last night!! LOL LOL LOL!!! So I guess they really DIDN”T know everything about mister perfect!! What chased ya off the fact he’s fascinating about your kid or the fact he wants to rape women? Yeah i probably wouldn’t go either!!

  69. I was just chatting with someone privately about the jury instructions. I need to read them over again, as I found them somewhat confusing in the way that the judge read them. However, the person I was chatting with seemed to think (sorry for paraphrasing) that the judge did a favour to the defense by including instructions regarding domestic violence and by making it seem as if the jury were required to interpret the events from the perspective of a domestic violence victim, and also, by including the lesser included offenses. I thought I’d post a couple of things about that, in case there’s any confusion here.

    First of all, the judge did NOT instruct the jury to consider reasonable acts from the viewpoint of a domestic violence victim. She instructed them that *IF* they believed prior domestic violence acts had occurred, they should THEN (and only then) consider the events from the perspective of a reasonable person who has been a victim of those prior acts of domestic violence. That’s a BIG difference because they would have to consider those prior acts proven by clear and convincing evidence FIRST, and they would have to be considering the possibility of homicide by self-defense.

    Deciding to include that instruction wasn’t something the judge did as a favour at the end of the trial. The court had previously ruled — long before the trial — to allow evidence of domestic violence to be given during testimony. The court had found sufficient cause to allow not only Jodi to testify about domestic violence, but also to allow experts to testify in regards to it. But that occurred years ago, and actually, it may even pre-date Judge Stephens as she took over this case a few years after it began. Once the court allowed that testimony and the testimony was given as evidence, it then HAD to allow the domestic violence self-defense instructions.

    In regards to allowing lesser included offenses in the instructions, I’ve held the belief since Jodi testified that the court would have to do so. Jodi’s testimony leaned towards the inclusion of lesser included offenses (such as manslaughter) most especially, because she testified that she was photographing Travis, then dropped his camera, which made him angry. At that point, he lunged at her, and she ran away. He said “fucking kill you bitch” which she interpreted as a threat to her safety. She then pointed a gun at him. She doesn’t recall the gun discharging. She testified that she did not intend to discharge the gun, in fact. She does not recall anything that transpired after that fact. Therefore, she did not testify in regards to having the belief that she needed to use extreme force in order to protect herself. She never testified that she interpreted the attack as requiring her to use deadly force, in fact. Actually, she testified that she thought she would discourage further attack by holding an unloaded gun up to him. That testimony leads more to manslaughter than anything else, sorry to say. That’s not to say the jury CAN NOT decide her actions were in self-defense. However, because she did not testify about her actions thereafter which required it — and no one else did either — there is actually no evidence of self-defense, technically speaking.

    Because of Jodi’s testimony, JM could have (and probably did) argue about self-defense instructions being given at all. However, because of Jodi’s testimony, essentially the instruction regarding the lesser included offense of manslaughter (a crime of passion) was pretty much mandatory on the part of the judge.

    I would have to go back in the minutes to find where and when domestic violence testimony was allowed, but I seem to recall that was before Judge Stephens took over. Someone please correct me if I’m wrong on that.

        • Manslaughter is simply an “out” to prevent a hung jury.

          You’d think people would understand the reasoning behind it.

          Manslaughter was included only at the last minute. Jodi has claimed self-defense for at least two years.

          • I know what you are saying, AA, but nobody wants to retry this high-profile case.

            I don’t think it has anything to do with how valid self-defense is in her case.

            This is all about arriving at a compromise verdict if necessary so this awful thing doesn’t have to be retried ever again and save Arizona taxpayers a ton of money.

            Jodi Arias cannot get a fair trial anywhere in the country thanks to 24/7 coverage. Manslaughter is an alternative to a hung jury.

            • I agree. JM didn’t disprove self defense at all. Jodi, as the defendant, had no obligation to prove it, either. She could have just entered her plea and sat down while he put on his silly little case. Unfortunately, if she did that, the jury would only have JM’s flimsy evidence to go on, and they probably would have convicted Jodi. So, she put on a wonderful case — even providing the jury with Travis’s own voice to listen to.

              I am not 100% sure that JM wouldn’t retry this high profile case. It would be ridiculous for him not to accept a plea in the event that there is a hung jury. But it seems he and Maricopa county retry cases like this all the time. I base that mostly on Vladimir Gagic’s opinion, to be honest. In any other jurisdiction, it would be reasonable to accept a plea.

              As for the defense’s request to include manslaughter as a lesser included offense, I’m not at all surprised that occurred at the last minute. It wasn’t a last-ditch attempt by the defense to prevent a hung jury. I’m sure they always intended to move for its inclusion. There had to be evidence presented that would lean towards its inclusion, and there was. At that point, it became reasonable to move for its inclusion, but not before.

              As for Jodi being able to get a fair trial anywhere, you’d be surprised how many people actually have no idea about this trial at all. I wonder if there are people in AZ who haven’t paid attention. Honestly, this trial has not had the kind of mainstream coverage that OJ or Jeffrey Dahmer did.

              But, I really really really hope there’s someone (preferably more than one person) on the jury who feels exactly the way you do and can convince other jurors.

    • AA,

      Good to see you alive and kicking and arguing.

      So in as far as the self defense instruction is concerned the statutory instruction says

      Deadly physical force was immediately necessary to protect against another’s [use]
      [attempted use] [threatened use] [apparent attempted use] [apparent threatened use] of
      unlawful deadly physical force.;

      and the selection of which of the parenthetical terms are used is left to the judges discretion based on

      “Use the language in brackets as appropriate to the facts”

      The Judge issued
      “A reasonable person in the situation would have believed that
      deadly physical force was immediately necessary to protect against
      another’s use or apparent attempted or threatened use of unlawful deadly
      physical force”

      Which means that from her reading of the facts at least those 3 are possible. But the key there is that at least one of them relies on the defendant’s state of mind, namely “apparent attempted”. How JM shows that there was no “apparent attempted use” in this escapes me. If the jury really thrashes this out the state’s case is screwed right there.

      Further, Jodi did testify, more than once than she was scared for her life.

      Also the use of the DV instruction is not in the statutory part of instruction 4.05 but instead comes from the use notes for the self defense instruction, which state

      “If there have been past acts of domestic violence as defined in A.R.S. § 13-3601,
      subsection A, against the defendant by the victim, the state of mind of a reasonable person
      shall be determined from the perspective of a reasonable person who has been a victim of
      those past acts of domestic violence. A.R.S. § 13-415.”

      Seeing as how a trial court judge should interpret the law as literally as possible I would say that prior to issuing that instruction she must have had to make a decision with respect to “If there have been past acts of domestic violence as defined in A.R.S. § 13-3601”. Note, this does not say “If there have been allegations of past”. Hence she must determine whether the facts or evidence presented would lead to a valid conclusion of such acts.

      I can go around and get the case law, if needed, but there are numerous cases (in AZ) where the defendant appealed because judges did not instruct a certain issue, and the appeals court said that such, non-statutory instructions are at the discretion of the judge and based on facts presented in court.

      So my point, as I posted earlier was that in issuing these instructions the judge had to determine what to allow in, and even though the presentation of certain evidence is gauged on the probative/prejudicial scale, the jury instructions are based on how the viability and validity of the facts presented in court (as appropriate to the facts). Two different standards.

      Hence the judge’s instructions do, or should if she is not in error, show that the facts were appropriate for assessment of

      “necessary to protect against
      another’s use or apparent attempted or threatened use of unlawful deadly
      physical force” and

      “there have been past acts of domestic violence as defined in A.R.S. § 13-3601”

      Not to split this hair even further the phrase

      “apparent attempted or threatened use ”

      can be read in two ways

      “apparent attempted or apparent threatened” with the tautological apparent eliminated in keeping with common English usage, or

      “apparent attempted or (actual) threatened use”, where I have inserted the word actual to differentiate the threatened aspect from a apparent situation.

      Now if a common American jury goes to these levels of dissection I will voluntarily dine with JM for a week.

      • Al, I don’t think you understand how jury instructions are decided. The judge doesn’t sit down, look at all the possible instructions and decide “Oh, okay, I’ll give these instructions because I believe they apply to this case and I think one side or the other has presented that as a possibility.” That’s NOT at all the way it works.

        What happens is (and I speak from experience having been involved in this process many times while I worked for trial law firms), counsel for each side prepares their own list of jury instructions they desire to have issued to the jury. Often, one side decides to this first and exchange the proposed instructions with the other side. This part of the process is normally conducted by a clerk, paralegal or a secretary. They begin with the statutory instructions of their state. They view the various bracketed options as they might apply to the particular case, and determine which options they would like to use and which conjunctions (and, or) they might wish to use to separate them. It’s not as if ALL options can’t be used, or only ONE option can be used. It’s a decision made based upon which options are applicable to the case given the evidence presented.

        The attorneys (that work for that office) then generally review the work of the clerk/paralegal/secretary to see if there are any other words contained in the instructions that they believe should be tweaked.

        At that point, the instructions are exchanged with opposing counsel’s office. There are many instructions on which both sides will agree. If they agree on all the instructions (which never happens), they would submit them to the judge. At that point, if it ever happened, the judge would almost always agree and use them.

        What usually happens though, is that the attorneys argue among themselves about the instructions for a while. Some element of compromise is usually reached, and there are usually some issues about which they cannot agree. Usually, one side or the other wants to “go beyond” the wording of a statutory instruction. At that point, they go before the judge to discuss the instructions in what is known as an instruction conference, which is usually on the record (i.e., a court reporter is present).

        The trial court has broad discretion regarding modification or supplementation of instructions. However, during an instruction conference, the judge will hear from both sides regarding the evidence that has been given during the trial and their argument as to the inclusion of each disputed instruction. (As a side note, I’ve attended conferences which kept going and going well into the wee hours of the morning on the night before the jury was instructed.) It can be a very complicated process where each party is attempting to preserve issues for appeal.

        So let’s compare the instruction you reference (noting that the first line occurs in each, but you omitted it from the first):

        deadly physical force was immediately necessary to protect against another’s [use]
        [attempted use] [threatened use] [apparent attempted use] [apparent threatened use] of
        unlawful deadly physical force.

        vs.

        deadly physical force was immediately necessary to protect against another’s use or apparent attempted or threatened use of unlawful deadly physical force

        What was decided here (from the available options) was to use “another’s use OR apparent attempted OR threatened use.” “Attempted use” was omitted because there was NO evidence of Travis attempting to use unlawful deadly physical force, and I highly doubt either party would have attempted to request that option’s inclusion. And the conjunction “or” was placed between the options that were included because they were reasonable, given the evidence presented at trial.

        My best guess is this is NOT something the judge sat down and decided upon by any means. This is exactly the type of instruction that the parties would have negotiated between themselves. There really is no case for argument here. So, I’m sorry, but you cannot assume the judge decided any of those options were possible. Given my experience, I would find that highly unlikely. If the judge was involved at all, it would have been because JM objected to self defense instructions being included period. Even though he’s an arrogant ass, even he would know better than that. He’s an experienced trial attorney, after all.

        Yes, Jodi did testify that she was scared for her life. But, as I said above, she did not testify as to the necessity of using deadly force at that moment because she did not recall what transpired. Her testimony, in and of itself, gave rise to the possible inclusion of the manslaughter instruction.

        As I said, the issue of inclusion of domestic violence evidence admissibility was decided LONG before this trial, and possibly by a different judge. Once that was decided, that instruction was going to be included as long as reasonable self defense and domestic violence testimony (evidence) was presented. It was. As long as evidence presented created a possibility of prior acts of domestic violence, the judge would have been in error not to include that instruction.

        And yes, you are correct that the trial court has broad discretion in regards to jury instructions. However, I think you’re missing the point that the judge doesn’t prepare the first drafts — the lawyers do — because it’s simply not something you know about. The key part of your argument about appellate decisions is “based on facts presented in court.” Domestic violence testimony (including experts) was decided on LONG before the trial. Evidence was presented regarding domestic violence acts. Therefore, the instruction was included.

        Again, in determining which instructions to include, the judge reviewed the instructions agreed upon by both parties and allowed each party to discuss any instructions that were in dispute.

        It is up to the jury to determine what they believe, not the judge. The judge must simply view the evidence presented to determine whether or not the jury should have certain options. But again, most of this is already decided by the parties. The judge only reviews instructions agreed upon by both parties to ensure there isn’t some glaring error (there usually isn’t — these are experienced trial attorneys) and to review instructions in dispute and determine which side’s version is appropriate.

        Also, most of the time, items in dispute revolve around one word, or something equally as ridiculous. A few months ago, there were 15 attorneys in a room for two weeks from early morning to the wee hours of the next morning, arguing about the wording of a 3 page submission to the government. Attorneys will argue about verbiage; it’s what they do best.

        I hope that now understanding the process of creating jury instructions, you will have a better understanding of how little the judge was actually involved.

        • I think you’re pretty much saying what I was. You did elaborate on the attorneys, but at the end of the day the decision of which instructions to include and the responsibility thereof rests on the judge. So if the judge doesn’t agree with the facts or instructions she has a responsibility to disallow, or not deliver a particular instruction. Remember, when a case ends up at the appeals it will be decided on whether or not there was judicial error, not whether the attorney’s agreed to an instruction. In fact there are numerous cases where even if attorneys agreed to something the appeals court has found that it was still incumbent upon the judge doing the right thing.

          In as far the use of deadly force by Jodi, the testimony is somewhat on shaky grounds. She did testify that she was scared for her life, she did testify that she pointed the gun to try and stop him (so she threatened the use of deadly force), the gun went off (and I assume from her testimony, that was an accident) and then she doesn’t remember anything other than that she was knocked down. So the thing the state has to prove is that after she was knocked down, there was no further threat (apparent or otherwise) to her life. I don’t know how they do that? They may be able to argue (as I have always maintained) that the throat wound would have required to have her have control of the situation, but between the gunshot and the throat wound there is nothing. Obviously, the benefit of doubt goes to the defendant.

          In as far as the DV is concerned you’re just saying what I was. The evidence presented must be at the very least credible enough to allow a jury to decide on the facts. If not the judge as a duty to either exclude the evidence or omit the instruction.

          So I do agree that the attorneys request and agree to instructions, however at the end of the day the judge bears the responsibility. If this or any other judge does not review the instructions she is delivering, then we surely have a sorry state of affairs.

          So while I do understand the process, I also believe that the judge has a responsibility to vet the instructions she is delivering, and I would like to believe she takes that responsibility seriously. If not, then nothing in this court has very much meaning.

          • This is a very very high profile case, so one would assume the judge *did* indeed carefully review the instructions presented by the parties. But, I have to say that in other criminal trials I was involved in, if the attorneys agreed to the instructions, the judge simply gave them a peremptory view. Since the bulk of the language is standard, as in the instruction you cited an example of above, I highly doubt a judge would spend hours on it.

            And sure, while the responsibility is on the trial court to apply the law correctly, in reality, judges apply law erroneously every day of the week. Unless it’s brought to the appellate court’s attention (and often, even if it is), no one is any the wiser. While working on my divorce appeal, I found it interesting when appellate courts actually stepped in about an issue that wasn’t raised by either party in the appeal and sanctioned everyone about it. It happens sometimes, but just as often, it doesn’t happen. Judges don’t see everything, nor do appellate judges/justices, unfortunately. And it’s not as if they get into trouble for committing errors.

            My ex-husband’s attorney filed a motion for continuance without notifying me. The appellate rules state that he is required to notify me and ask for my agreement. He claimed that he did not have my address — even though the court had previously carbon copied him on responses to me containing my address. (Granted, the address he has is my address confidentiality program address — NOT my home address — but nonetheless, it’s my legal mailing address.) I filed an objection demonstrating in exhibits his lies. Nonetheless, they ignored me and granted his continuance. There were at least two, if not three, other motions he filed prior to filing his answer brief, wherein he alleged that he did not have my address. In one of them, he actually attached as an exhibit, a letter he had received from the lower court as an attachment to their response to me, which displayed my address at the top of my letter! And yet, he stated in his motion that I REFUSED to provide him with my address. Most of his motions were granted, despite my responses pointing out his lies. Finally, the appellate court ruled against him and for me when he tried to claim that my appeal should be dismissed because I had failed to serve him. He again claimed he did not have address, which I REFUSED to provide. I responded showing that he had been served by certified mail merely hours before filing his motion and that he was practicing motion abuse. I was actually quite shocked the court finally ruled in my favour. Still, they did not sanction him for lying or for motion abuse, although I cited several other cases where they had done so.

            My point is: You just never know with an appellate court. They’re kind of like a jury, really. LOL

            You are correct about the theory of force. I’m actually surprised JM didn’t try to use that one. I guess he thought gas cans were FAR more important to his case 😛 But, her testimony, really led to the manslaughter instruction.

            Again, in regards to the DV instruction, testimony had already been ruled allowed years prior to the trial. So, unless the defense didn’t put on ANY witnesses that testified about DV, that instruction *had* to be included. Whether she vetted the instructions or not, DV testimony was allowed; DV testimony was presented; therefore, a DV instruction followed.

            • Hello AA,

              That’s great you’ve had experience in cases before. I would love to be involved someday. I’m 36 yrs old and I’ve probably been called to Jury Duty 10 times in which 90% I requested not to attend due to school. Thanks for elaborating on the process 🙂

              • Hi Meowingon, it was a LOT of fun and a LOT of stress working for those firms back in the day. That was what made me want to go to law school. I was actually prompted when I worked for a criminal defense attorney. At first, I was so disgusted at what he did. I was 20 years old, a college graduate, an immigrant, and thought I knew it all. I couldn’t believe he represented these gangbangers who came into the office with suitcases full of cash to pay him. But they were all so polite both to him and me. They called me ma’am, which I wasn’t used to at 20. And he explained to me that in this country, everyone deserves a fair trial and a defense. He also explained that just because they were charged with one crime, didn’t mean they committed it. My argument was they probably committed other crimes. He explained that they couldn’t be convicted if they hadn’t been charged. He’d been a star prosecutor for many years and actually went into criminal defense in his semi-retirement years. (Semi-retirement for a lawyer means 80 hours per week LOL.)

                After that, I worked for a personal injury firm that represented plaintiffs and we went on trial a lot too, so it was also fun. Helping the little guys! Now that I work for a corporate firm, it’s soooo boring and such a slog.

                • So are you still working at a law firm? What country are you from if you don’t mind me asking?
                  The only law I’ve ever been close to is through immigration.

            • Haha Sirlips, I always assume we annoy the heck out of everyone else debating about the legal crapology! I enjoy your posts a LOT more. They’re so much more humourous!

              • Trust me, the world needs more truth tellers than shit slingers…i am a shit slinger. 🙂

  70. Huffington post has a poll to vote whether Jodi is guilty of 1st deg or Of lesser charges or not guilty. I was surprised to find that 36% of voters find her guilty of lesser charge or not guilty. I say this not because I think she’s guilty of premed I’m just pointing out that even though the media has portrayed this case and her as a spectacle there is a segment of the population that isn’t feeding into the craziness.

    • Things have changed. A couple of weeks ago, every poll was finding her guilty of first degree murder in the 90th percentile.

  71. Has any of the Jodi team ever gone to the court house? I haven’t heard SJ or MB Or any one talk about it bout I came in about 2 months in! God it would be awesome to talk to them from there!!

  72. One of the haters seems to think that the jury’s already in the penalty phase:

    “I’m guessing that the jurors are hung up on giving the murderess the DP or LWP!”

    Did this person listen to the jury instructions at all?

    Some of the pro-pros peeps are starting to panic about the jury not having reached a verdict yet. I seriously think that these people thought that the jury would sit down this morning, be like “OK, we’re in agreement, murder 1! Juan is awesome!” and have the verdict in by 10 AM.

    • I honestly believe half of them are uneducated on the workings of the criminal courts here in the US and are just hating on her to feel like they’re a part of the latest news sensation and that’s really sad!

      • Yes, Mel. I suspect many of the haters think it was up to Jodi to prove that he attacked her first and the fact that she hasn’t proven that (in their eyes) they think the verdict should and will come back M1. Ignorant bozos!

    • How can they be in the penalty phase when that is a separate proceeding?

      These people would have felt right at home during the Salem witch trials.

    • The haters have it all figured out don’t they?Not.. They sit all day watching HLN and Vinnie Politan until their brain cells have all dried up.

    • And that just goes to show how little they understand and how little they’ve been able to absorb about this case. They seem to have gotten this far: Jodi is a lying murderess bitch. They stopped there.

    • Kira, I think so too.

      They are delusional enough to actually think Kermit did a great job…he didn’t even do a good job…he was a lying sack of chyt and did a chytty job.

      How stupid are they to think they would immediately get a guilty verdict based on the piles of doo that came out of the prosecutors mouth?

      HAHAHAHAHA I say to them!!!

  73. I recently served as a juror on a criminal case regarding an individual who was being tried for promoting and compelling prostitution…..however the case we were deciding on was the witness tampering aspect of the case. The trial lasted 2.5 days and we took 3 hours to reach our verdict of guilty on 3 out of the 4 tampering charges. So I could see how deliberations could take a few days.

    • Since you’ve been a juror, can’t take it anymore, could you answer something for me, if you can? Let’s say you were on a jury like this one, and there was all this testimony about messages between Travis and the Hughes that was no admitted into evidence — so you didn’t have it in the jury room with you. How do you think members of a jury would feel about that?

      Also, what about the roommates not testifying, the Hughes not testifying, Matt not testifying? Would any of that have given you or any of the other jurors pause at all?

      Since you heard about the mysterious Dr. Carp’s reports, but she didn’t testify, would that have given you or any of the jurors pause?

      I know it’s difficult to speculate, but I’ve never served on a jury. I’ve certainly observed mock jurors that firms I worked for retained (who didn’t know which side hired them), and I’ve seen them become upset about various items that weren’t in evidence. So, I tend to think these things would cause some confusion. But I’m anxious to hear from a real juror who served. Thank you.

      • Honestly when it came down to deciding the case each juror took their jury instructions and duties extremely seriously. If we were told to disregard this or that than when it came to discussing the verdict we reminded one another of these points and moved on as if it didn’t exist. Not to say it didn’t weigh on peoples minds but given the clear instructions, our job as jurors were to apply the written instructions and applicable law in deciding the outcome. We had one gal in particular who had a real hard time with the concept and kept allowing her own personal feelings and emotions guide her decision.

        • And in this particular case I felt empathy for this kid who from day one never had a chance in hell in making it in this world………but regardless of his upbringing and my feelings towards society failing him……………..the law is the law.

          • Thank you so much for responding. It’s interesting that there was one person who had trouble putting personal feelings aside.

            I guess I’m still left wondering how jurors would feel about the evidence that was discussed in this trial, but not admitted into evidence. Jurors weren’t told to disregard that evidence, but they also don’t have it available to them. I think that would raise suspicion, especially since there was no specific instruction that addressed that.

          • I had a similar experience. The charge was receiving stolen property. The defendant was an unemployed middle aged mechanic with no criminal record who was found stripping cars late at night….He was obviously working for wages from the guys they didn’t catch. This was in Youngstown OH when the unemployment rate among black males was around 50%. Clearly this was an honest man desperate for work. But the law is the law. now he has a criminal record, while the theft ring crooks never got caught. It was a gut-wrenching experience, serving on that jury. I so understand the blindfold on Lady Justice. I don’t feel that way about this case though, I don’t feel sorry for Jodi Arias in the way that I felt bad for the gentleman we convicted.

            • Wow, thanks for describing that experience spring is here. You just have to wonder if he could have gotten a plea by offering up the guys he was working for. Jurors really take their civic duty seriously then? I’ve often believed so, but it’s good to hear it.

              I’m curious as to why you don’t feel sorry for Jodi, as you did for that gentleman. I feel incredibly sorry for her. Her life is ruined no matter what happens. Her genitalia has been on display to the world. Her private thoughts and a private conversation of a sexual nature has been heard by the world. With the internet, those things will persist for her lifetime, perhaps even longer. To me, that’s very very very sad.

  74. Upright Justice Tarot Card Meanings

    Put simply, the Justice card represents justice, fairness, truth and the law. As an outcome, the Justice card indicates that the fairest decision will be made. You are being called to account for your actions and be judged accordingly. Notice that Justice’s scales are balanced, thus its appearance indicates that events have worked out as they were meant to work out and that what is happening to you comes from the decisions you have made and the actions you have taken in the past. You have what you deserve.

    Justice represents a conscious awareness that your decisions and actions have long-term consequences and your present and future circumstances are most likely a result of these decisions and actions. At the same time, Justice shows that your actions in the future can be changed by a lesson learned in the present situation. You cannot become honest without extending that honesty to yourself and others.

    Justice reflects the search for truth. You need to know and speak the truth and perceive it in the words and deeds of others. Be fair and just with all and you will soon be able to detect dishonesty in yourself and others. Learn the rules that govern what you are involved with. This is a time to remain objective and to base your judgement on fact and not on hearsay.

    There is a need to be fair and just when you see the Justice card in a reading. When everyone is ‘playing fair’ and adhering to the rules, a positive outcome will be achieved. However, you need everyone to be on the same page for this to occur. It is no good if there is someone who is going against the grain or trying to stir things up!

    The Justice card also indicates a time when decision-making is required. Something in your life needs attention, mediation or a solution. Look to the two cards lying on either side of the Justice card to understand what it is that you are weighing up in your decision-making. As you contemplate your decision, are you the person to pass judgment, or is your role to accept the decision that is made? How can you remain as objective as possible, whilst searching for the truth of the matter? It is an important time for your ‘inner umpire’ (i.e. your conscience) to make the ‘right’ decision. Balanced judgement exists.

    Justice often refers to legal matters of all kinds. The courts are where judgments are made and decisions rendered. The legal system is the official arena in which the principles of Justice (fairness, impartiality and the quest for Truth) are explored. If you see the Justice card in a reading where there are legal matters at hand, expect the outcome to be just and fair. You are also likely to be dealing with legal contracts, such as a marriage license, divorce decree, business contract, financial arrangement or litigation. Where you are the person demanding justice, know that justice will be served and lawsuits won. Of course, if you have acted in a deceptive way or have not spoken the truth, be aware that justice will still prevail and you will need to take responsibility for your actions.

    • Thank you, Tonya. I hope Lady Justice is singing from the rooftops when the Jury brings back a fair and just verdict for Jodi.

    • I chose this card as my gavatar not to far into this trial and i an now just reading what it say

  76. Why oh why couldn’t I be blessed with Chitty-Chitty-Bang-Bang!!!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

  77. Hello everybody! I’m brand new, too! Glad to have found all of you, thought for the longest us three women here in SW Fla. were all by ourselves! Thanks SK for not allowing hater posting, that keeps this site very sacred for us. I can’t stand the sisters either, the meth head most likely lost all her teeth, I’ve called her “Frankenstein” for the longest, such an ugly site!
    Maybe NG will somehow manage to strangle herself with that tacky handcuff necklace of hers! Lol, trying to keep up the humor. FTW Jodi girl!

  78. Wild About Trial‏@WildAboutTrial1m
    Valerie just came out with a ton of folders and went to the elevator. Still nothing noteworthy though. #JodiArias

  79. I wrote this 2 months ago.

    The average hater lets the “media” do their thinking for them. They themselves are incapable of thinking. Not withstanding their combined jealousy & anger problems, they have no apparent issues with pedophilia, rape & related abuses… they play on their Xbox for 18 hours a day… they are relatively poor… they have no regular means of transportation… they blame everyone else for all their problems & shortfalls (always have done – always will do)… and they basically have no life outside of that. I guess the IQ of your typical hater is also gonna be well below average. Half of them are probably still waiting for TA to testify too.

    Did I miss anything? :mrgreen:

    SJ
    Team Jodi

  80. Oh Ugh!! Chris and Sky Hughs on Drew Pimpsky’s show tonight! They sure like the spotlight!

    • Ugh, of course. They can take their perjuring asses to Drew Pimpsky and suck it for all I care. Just saying 🙂

      • The hughes make me sick. Really sick. Now that they are released from the orders not to talk to the media they are going full force ahead.

        • And mind you,regardless of the verdict they’re bound to parade their asses on every trash TV channel out there!

    • They need to crawl their hateful arses back into the hole they slivered out of – they are truely despicable, IMO.

    • We did, I think on the previous page………. I predicted 3 pm AZ time, which is now, so obviously I was wrong

      🙄

      • I think it will be nearer to Friday or Monday. They have a lot of things to go thru. Yesterday was probably only picking foreman and setting schedules. So they actually just started today. I do think if everyone on that jury was as hell bent on convicting her as the haters think, they would have been back by now. The good news is…with each passing hour, the haters go a little more insane thinking about it.

      • I hear the juror cut their lunch short and started early…humm..you might not be that far off.

        • They got tired of the looong lunch breaks and how this stupid judge made them wait days and days in lost time. I don’t blame them.

  83. Of course HLN wants a guilty verdict, that way they can keep ratings going with the penalty phase. They don’t want this trial to be over at all. Idiots.

    • Yep, they’re thinking “Shit, we still have over a month until we can start raking George Zimmerman over the coats…”

      • God I’m so dreading that trial! I know “Pimp Daddy” Al Sharpton will be doing his pathetic excuse of a news show from there.:-(((

        • Tony….I’ve asked you this question before…..but you haven’t answered me as of yet. Just what do you know about the Rev Al Sharpton?

  84. I don’t even profess to know what transpired up there in that bathroom that day. I have tried to construct a theory of events but every one leaves me without a confident feeling that I have reconstructed the sequence of who did what, how, or when. It is mystifying.

    I just know two things. One, it did not happen in 62 seconds. And two, Alexander used all his UFC proclivities after becoming enraged that his expensive camera had possibly been damaged and had the full enunciated intent that Jodi would be the one left laying on that floor. We know something happened when the photo of the ceiling was taken. That’s not arguable by anybody. We also know shortly after that Travis is shown bleeding and ALIVE.

    For a woman with a near genius IQ to have sat in prison for five years and come up with as far-fetched a scenario as she has claimed, this is the very reason that a probing thinker should conclude this IS what happened.

    Could anybody imagine conjuring this as a believable trial story where her life is at stake and she says the precipitating event was dropping a camera? Puts the gun in a closet on the top of a shelf seven feet high? Not in her purse? Not on the armoire right at the entrance going into the closet?

    She knows that she has been diagnosed with PTSD, but willingly VOLUNTEERS that a stored image of dropping the knife to the tile has been retained in her memory instead of saying she doesn’t remember anything. She says she remembers throwing the gun at the roadside specifically, instead of saying she doesn’t remember anything after the black-out. All to her apparent detriment. She says that Travis assured her the gun was not loaded but yet she grabs the gun? She doesn’t say she was screaming at the top of her lungs for Travis to stop when she pointed the gun at him, which would be a natural follow-on to justify that she had chilling fear of her life. Something anybody would identify with. But she doesn’t say it. She VOLUNTEERS that the gun may have had a holster to complicate everything even more about the gun.

    In response to a juror’s question, she literally stuns the courtroom by saying if she could have gotten away with it, she doesn’t know if she would have ever confessed, bypassing an opportunity handed to her on a silver platter to say yes her conscience would not have allowed her to suppress that conscious tragedy and have to reverse all the lies she had stated on national TV. You could have heard a pin drop when she gave that answer. The reason, she didn’t want to berate Travis publicly and she was on the way to the location she intended to commit suicide on the day she was arrested to preserve his darkest secrets.

    Then to have all the scrutiny and blood evidence be borne out by the angle of the gun shot, the entry wound location of the gun shot and blood spatter on the mirror only being logical as a result of the gun shot.
    Then after 4 calendar weeks of being savagely battered with some 3,000 plus questions, not one material fact was deviated from in either her Direct examination or Cross examination. Martinez deployed every devious gutter level prosecutor trick and subterfuge he could think of to trip her up and impeach her and show conflicting statements but it didn’t happen. Not one, on the specifics of the day of June 4th. Not one!

    Countless times she corrected him before she would even answer the question. A trial being watched or followed by possibly several hundred million people around the world adding to the superhuman pressure she was facing.

    No one, not even with a photographic memory, could keep congruity and laser-like consistency in a story that was that so microscopicly examined for the tiniest detail without stumbling or making a blatant gaffe, screw-up or slip of the tongue. You just can’t think that fast. It’s only possible when you’re telling the truth because that is the only case when you’re not trying to remember what you said. The truth has no memory issue deviations.

    But “THIS” is the femme fatale that has plotted an airtight elaborate master plan, convenient and easy to pawn off as plausible with well thought out motivations for her every action, to outwit and deceive a jury? NO, it is diametrically the opposite by its very nature. This disjointed and often seemingly impossible series of first—glance assumptions without careful analysis does not conform to a nice perfectly molded alibi set of facts, because it is the TRUTH! Jodi has now placed her fate in the trusting belief of the justice system, whatever it deems appropriate.

    The jury has to start there. With the proven calamitous revelation that the coroner jury-rigged his autopsy report, which I can’t emphasize enough, came after THREE appearances on the stand, numerous pre-trial hearings and five years since the autopsy holding to the efficacy of everything as being observed without correcting or admitting the glaring medical impossibility. And the fact that that Martinez has Jodi changing weapons so often in their contrived version of events during the killing that she would have literally needed a tool belt to hold all the weapons and the camera, the only germane quip that should be reverberating through every jurors mind is the one made famous by Dr. Henry Lee in the Simpson trial…”something wrong.”

    It is s-o wrong, it is egregious enough to consider jury nullification. Remember these jurors were under no restrictions to research or learn everything pertinent to the Debra Milke case and the verdict reversal by the Ninth Circuit Appeals Court. It was a death case, it had proven suborned perjury by a Maricopa County detective and trial fixing by these same death freaks in the same county and the same state and the same Superior Court. A prosecution arm of a state, sworn and mandated by their oath to ferret out and make every case a search for only the truth, was in fact corrupt at its core and shown to be as vile as leftovers from Hitler.

    The jurors don’t even know half of what we know. The emails that were represented as not having any value to the defense was not accidental. It was deliberate. The text messages that were kept secret. That wasn’t accidental, it was deliberate. This was Travis Victor Alexander confessing from the grave that he was a child-craving, two-faced, puritan feigning pervert with violent tendencies. It was EXCULPATORY and these degenerates deliberately made every effort to deny her right to know.

    Wouldn’t it be sweet poetic justice for the twelve who hold this golden opportunity of power to say this corruption ends with US. We will not sanction Martinez murder.

    We the jury in the above entitled action find the defendant “not guilty.” SO SAY WE ALL !

    Doubters: view these links and see if this is a person that conveys fabricating a made-up patchwork of professionally architected convenient lies: Listen C A R E F U L L Y.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nV2BFdcmj84
    49:33 pay particular attention to how she touches her head instinctively and where

    http://www.mediafire.com/view/?t87ddyn22kaylh1

    Now, look at the attempts to confuse her, to trap her, to twist her words, to distort and to obfuscate everything she said:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Cekxj46ecU

    • As always, Jade, thank you for your common sense. You should write a book about this case and the Salem witch trial like atmosphere………….

      • Agreed Renee, Salem Witch Trials atmosphere indeed,
        it’s like the Presidential Inauguration vibe to condemn
        Jodi to death. It’s vile

    • WOW Jade good read want to open site your link above but cant already lost one computer don’t need to loose another. thanks

  85. HOLY SHIT EVERYONE I GOT A RETWEET HERE IT IS tHIS PERSON SAID SHE WANTED TO PUKE BECAUSE JODI IS SELLING THESE SHIRTS FOR DV VICTIMS AND HERE IS WHAT I SAID!

    krista walters
    @thesweetbee3
    @JenniferShindel @DrDrewPodcast @simonebienne but pedophile travis doesn’t make you puke?What does that say about you?do you even know “DR.”

    • Good for you. Someone should make some shirts with his ugly mug on it, saying this is the face of domestic violence. I mean seriously?? How about…hey, I am looking for 12 year old virgins. Their first orgasms are HAWT!

      • yeah his face with a caption . . as long as he has face we have a place to sit

        • Oooh, good one. How about,

          Hey, I love cream pies!! showing with him cream on his lip.

  86. I am verdict watching here. I can’t stand to watch the faces on HLN that are all contorted like they’re experiencing a difficult bowel movement!

    • Hey Gwen, They’re looking like that because they ARE full of shit!!!!!!!

    • LOL gwen like the bowel movement comment hate them hope they get diarrhea

    • The talking heads on HLN are one cunthair from
      signing a contract for the new reality show CHEAP MEDIA WHORES
      That I will watch!

    • Hahaha! I’ve always said, diarrhea of the mouth and constipation of the brain.

  87. LET THE HLN SPIN BEGIN:

    Anchor: “During the trial, one juror bit his nails; another yawned, and one man even cupped his head in his hands as he listened to some of the testimony.”

    Susan Constantine (body language expert): “The jurors who did not take notes rely on auditory information. The problem is, can they recall all this information when they get behind closed doors?”

    There’s more. Do any of you recall hearing even one word about the jury looking favorably towards any witness for the defense? I sure don’t. But today HLN is reporting:

    “The youngest juror, a man in his late 20s to early 30s was seen smiling several times during Jodi’s cross-examination.”

    F-U, HLN.

      • I’m hoping he was taken by Jodi. I would imagine it would be impossible for a young man to send a beautiful young woman to her death.

        • I think he is Alternate Juror #15; If I’m right, he is not one of the 12 deliberating jurors.

  88. So, four months later, hours and hours of testimony, evidence, “expert” witnesses, over 2 million dollars later spend by the tax payers of the state of Arizona, all the hoopla. All of it comes down to one simple thing….

    Even a complete moron wouldn’t leave receipts and a trail of breadcrumbs leading the authorities straight to them after planning and carrying out a murder. End of story.

    My husband is standing here and wanted me to add, the way Travis was killed screams “I SNAPPED, HEAT OF THE MOMENT, CRIME OF PASSION”. If she went there with intent, with a gun, knife, she would have shot him while he was sleeping. One shot, that’s it. Travis was a big guy, why the hell would she have allowed herself to get into a full blown bloodbath scuffle when it could have been easily avoided, had she planned killing him? It makes NO SENSE.

    • And why would she allow herself to be photographed—whether she was nude or not—-if she had planned to kill him? I mean what better evidence is there than the photographs of her there at TA’s on the day this happened?!!!!!

  89. Hi all ,

    I have been reading all your messages since the trial started and you guys are very smart people.
    I’m from canada and I have been hoping and praying for Jodie …. I believe she defended herself.
    How could anyone put her to death! she has no history of violence and the pictures show she loved Travis and its odvious he used her !!
    Did the Jury ask why no one found him till 5 days later?
    If he had so many friends where were they? I’m sorry I just don’t undersand.

    One more thing… someone was sleeping in the house when he was in the shower dead? would the house not smell of decompasition?

  90. I need to ask, If someone had done what Travis had done with jodi to one of his sister. How would they feel? And yes there are people who would go out with them as you can see meth face is married. Personnaly I would cut it off rather then let her have it. Sorry if that was rude but the truth is not always right and by the way I can’t spell

    • Would become celibate if she was one of the choices of ladies I had to choose from

    • your point is made and agreed with Howard. From the photos it’ did not take many pixels to block out his member for our canvass view, .. nail clippers for the deed might do. I recall for one of the youtube videos flexing his biceps then grabbing his nuggets during one of his skits . . those needed removed too

    • Misunderstood your question, Howard, sorry about that. In answer to it though–I’d go medieval on his ass if he treated my sister like he did JODI.

  91. Guys… I watch HLN but WE ALL know where they stand. Anything they say doesnt bother me cause they are so dam bias. As long as the jury has followed their abmonition then there is no worries…or at least imo there isnt.

    remember HLNjob is to be bias and that is totally different then the juries job. So lets keep the faith!

      • I think we just use the unisex guys here, at least I do, with no disrespect. And believe me, if these ladies had found it disrespectful, they would have torn me a new one.

        Never try get any disrespect past this bunch. Bears and tigers would be preferable to that.

  92. Has anyone listened to Chris Hughes on Tricia’s True Crime show?

    He said that while Flores was initially investigating the murder, Flores told them that he wasn’t looking at Jodi.

    SO, Chris Hughes got Travis’ email password and looked at EVERY email that Travis had gotten from Jodi.

    He could have erased emails that the Defense never got!!

    Wow!!!

    • Total douche. He should be arrested for tampering with evidence. He really should but of course Maricopa County, home of the great Sheriff Arpaio, heh would never do that!!!! What a crime!!

      • And also may I add, what an idiot for telling everyone what he did, but he has probably gotten immunity from everything.

        • Karma is a nasty b*tch, and I hope she pays Chris and Sky Hughes a visit soon. They are long overdue!

          • I believe in Karma, I just hope their Karma doesn’t involve one of their children. Their kids are innocent, they didn’t ask to be born to stupid parents.

            • In the karmic world the sins of the father are not descendent on the son. He who plants shall reap.

              The kids are alright.

          • Then CH states that neither he or Sky deleted any emails because they all pointed right to Jodi for the murder.

            Yeah, right! Anything that would have made Travis look bad would have been deleted.

    • So the worm turns…and there poor Travis was there in the shower for four or five days rotting away.

      It REALLY stinks to high heaven.

      Chris Hughes really is a piece of work.

      • It does make you ask a lot of questions…not finding him all those days, then somebody going in through the emails and try to delete messages–but those messages couldn’t possibly be erased from the hard drive.

        CH and his wife are total scumbags, worse than Travis.

        • I listened to CH’s web interview where he says that he got TA’s password from TA’s webmaster and accessed his emails. CS mentions that google keeps all emails, that emails can’t be erased. I’m guessing that he accessed the emails thru the internet and not from TA’s laptop, as that would have been in police custody. He said he accessed the emails because Flores acted like JA wasn’t a suspect at the time and he wanted to help. Then later he says that Flores said to him that Jodi Arias can’t take a breath without them knowing about it. At that point CH knows from Flores that JA was always a suspect from the beginning. So why did CH access TA’s emails? It couldn’t have been out of fear that Jodi would have accessed and deleted TA’s emails. He knew things couldn’t be deleted. He says he turned over all the emails to Flores, yet I recall CH saying on one of the talking head shows that he and Sky were going over all of TA’s emails and calling Flores to check on things.

    • I’m not surprised. I have believed all along that any pedophile evidence had already been removed by friends since droopy dog didn’t do a very good investigation…not to mention people had access to TA’s stuff for 5 days before they “found” him.

      • Someone said way earlier in the trial that they thought that Travis had a desktop computer and a laptop computer….Does anyone remember reading or hearing about this?

        The new owner of Travis’ house found “something in the attic” that was a personal item of Travis’ and she gave it to Travis’ sister the weekend of March 16, 2013…when Travis’ sister went there with katie and a bunch of other courtroom observers to try and find the gun on that dead end street where Travis’ house is at…

        “Something in the attic”….maybe he hid a laptop in the attic that had his pedophilia pictures on it…

        And then there was the girl that was at Travis’ house looking for a journal…I can’t remember who the girl was…Maybe Travis hid this journal in the attic…

        “Something was in the attic”…haven’t heard what it was…they all are keeping mum on that…

    • so does that mean that Chris Hughes has Travis computer how did he get it the night he was killed some one need to tell the mitigation expert about that one I hope they are still under suspension he had a child and Travis stayed at his house all time spending the nite he could have crept into his sons room it is possible so i don’t trust them and if he did kill him he is the owner of PPL and Jodi did say she was scared

      • He did not have Travis’ computer. He accessed TA’s Gmail account from there own house.

        • o that would mean that anything CH deleted from Gmail would have a shadow on Gmails servers..

          These guys had the full co operation of Flores in the investigation..they handed Jodi to him on a platter..and the Pig Ate!!!

  93. I think the longer they take the better for Jodi. Especially since they start with the most serious charge…..and if they all dont agree they go to the next and the next. So in theory that sounds like a good thing for her. I hope so. I will be broken hearted if they convict her of first. But if they convict of felony murder that will be overturned. Id Jodi stole that gun it was AFTER he was dead. She was there on invitation.. Evidence shows he was willingly engaging in sex with Jodi. No way in any alternative universe could this be felony murder! Martinez is a fuckin asshole. Sawed off little ass sucker.

  94. Thank you for all the warm welcomes! Nice to be part of this Family!
    We are in Sarasota, Fl, just South of Tampa on the Gulf of Mexico.

    I’ve experienced abusive relationships and I never told anyone and tried to protect the abuser for fear of retaliation besides being ashamed and embarrassed. Plus these people ARE often well liked and respected by others, which hurts even more, Dr Jackyl & Mr Hyde.BUT, the Truth always comes out somehow and they end up paying for all they’ve done in the end.

    • Patty welcome to our family we are here for you if you need us I miss Florida and the beautiful light blue water and the white sand beaches and the sunburns not so much

    • They are well liked, arent they? Mine had everyone fooled and even believing I was the crazy jealous one, he had almost convinced me that I was like that heh, until he moved in with his mom and got crazy on her and stole from her and extorted thousands from her bank account, not until then did they believe me and then after a few years, out of jail, his mommy took him back in because now he had convinced her he did that because he was so sad about me and he did it to her AGAIN! UGH

  96. Now for the really important question.

    Maria,

    What did you have for Easter dinner?

    Those Greeks have a real edible complex going on at Easter time.

    • LOL,Al!!!
      On Easter Saturday,after midnight and after having attended church,we all go home and eat the red eggs and a soup made with vegetables and the lamb’s liver and intestines(ewwww I know,but it sure tastes good,traust me).
      On Easter Sunday we all roast lambs(on a spit)as well as ”kokoretsi” which is practically the lamb’s viscera and liver with spices,wrapped around and put on the spit.These are the ”prerequisites” for a traditional feast.There are different traditional salads like ‘tzatziki’ or ”cheese salad”,countless appetizers,pastry,beer and wine.
      Basically,it’s a carnivorous massacre/tradition yet no greek can imagine skipping it!!

  97. I can just hear the spin now if they don’t get the DP or LWP. They will concoct all sorts of ridiculous reasons. All the men on the jury wanted to do Jodi, the defense behaved inappropriately by bringing up TA’s true character…why, they should have lied like everyone else and deemed him a ‘saint’, the jury was distracted with the sex but, funny, seems to me, Juan was more interested in the anal aspect than anyone. Someone DO JUAN in the anus please!! I hope he and NG have an absolute public COME APART when the verdict comes down and have to be tranquilized and loaded on a cart and hauled away to some unknown location. I don’t even wanna know where!!

    • Yeah, Jodi would be seen as “seducing” those men in that jury, even though the term “seductive” or femme fetale doesn’t describe her at all. She reminds me of my niece, a person who is too good-hearted for her own good, the farthest thing from “seductress” you can get.

      • They’ll do what they did to Casey’s jury:

        “One of them has vacation tickets and didn’t want to waste any time!”

        “They just want to get back to their lives, so they didn’t take this seriously!”

        “The Pinellas Pinheads…they’re all SO stupid!”

  98. Vinnie Politan is such a tool and when I mean tool, I mean
    the kind of tool that habitually masterbates to Tranny Porn
    on a daily basis.

      • I cannot stand him. He looks like a dork, talks like a dork, and acts like a dork. I tweet him periodically cause he pisses me off so bad.

    • no reason to compare Politan with someone who enjoys trannys. Politan is hack, a fake, a liar…

  100. I’ve been on pins and needles.. All diggidy dang day! I honestly thought they might have a verdict today. I will be patient. I’d actually prefer Thursday when I’m off so I can celebrate !!!!

  102. this is like waiting for news on a new pope….looking for white smoke….a good verdict!!!!

  103. Some time ago I heard a woman call into HLN and talk about how she had been abused by her husband and she ended up shooting him five times. According to her, she was charged with first degree murder but was acquitted. At this point I expected her to fully identify with Jodi, but no, instead she said she just doesn’t understand Jodi, that Jodi’s just a cold blooded murder. I don’t understand these people/women who say “I was abused but Jodi’s abuse wasn’t exactly like mine, therefore she must be lying.” WTF??

    • I don’t get that either! I guess they are still susceptable to herd mentality..what ever the TV says is da trooth..idiots!

      • no one knew my abused me had to cover it up with make up did not tell anyone untill I pick up a knife and wanted to kill him voice told me to drop the knife and I called my sister for the first time in 4 yrs I let him beat the hell out of me none of our friends knew.

    • It’s the same with PTSD. “Not exactly like my trauma therefore she doesn’t have PTSD.”

      • Or that idiot lady that called in that day and said only soldiers who’ve served in Iraq/Afghanistan have PTSD not ordinary people. I thought surely i heard her wrong, so I rewound the DVR and had another listen…nope, she said it. Makes me wonder what this world is actually coming to sometimes, actually.

    • This just blows me away!
      Why, all they know is what HLN (Hate, Lies, Nonsense) tells them.

    • yep, you said it!

      WTF????

      I really don’t understand that.

      Of course I think those kind of people also think…oh, he/she treated HIM/HER like that, but they wouldn’t do that to ME because I’m more ____________(fill in awesome adjective).

      • what I don’t understand is why the only let the hates on and when someone has something good to say they are cut off or they don’t take their calls

    • It’s frightening. It’s like we are living in a world devoid of empathy.

      • Thank God for you folks who give me hope…not just for Jodi but for all of us…

    • I would bet that person is lying. HLN has a whole gallery of loons calling in.

    • i dont get those ppl either. i have trouble having much sympathy for a bullshittin’ guy who brags about rape, denigrating women, and fantasizing about 12 yr. girls having orgasms. that last one, that really doesn’t enter most guys mind, imo.

      those things str8 from the egotist’s mouth, should give jurors great pause in ANY pro-murder verdict.

      the rest of this is all media and the AZ justice system out for blood against Jodi.

      often, this IS the system at work. they tear down the accused. many innocents r in jail and/or over-charged. it’s also a $ maker for many…

  104. Just saw those fuck-heads on the Hilarious Lunatic Network having their fake jury reenact what they think happened! Oh, the drama! those sick fucks were staggering as if they were in some grade-f western or something —-all trying to get their sixty-seconds of fame at JODI’s expense! Where in the hell do they find those pea-brained motherfuckers? JM’s asshole!!!!!!!!!!!!!! One idiot even said that she thinks JODI brought the knife with her into the bathroom!!!!! What did she—JODI– hold it with?

  105. Plus, I believe that KN made he 9-times-out of-10 comment to waylay any possibility of the turd claiming that KN had fallen under JODI’s “spell”. IMO it was a brilliant move.

    • Yep .. it was a talk to that hand jm . . blocking it before going there . . really suprized since jm always seeing animals he didn’t refer to any beavers

    • IMO,it wasa brilliant move to eliminate the slightest possibility of a juror being driven by his/her feelings of disloke towards Jodi.Kinda like a reminder of the heavy duty they are there to carry out.

  106. Oh shit! Got the Horne syndrome — meant to say the instead of he—however mine is a typo!!!! 🙂

    • This bothers me more than anything,. If there had been a typo he would have proceded to describe the injury to the dura and since he didn’t the fucker didn’t see any injury to the dura. Asswipe. I hope the doctors (like me) watching this trial in some way, shape or form noted that. I have the luxury of working part time now. LOL!

      • As sm here has commented(sorry I forgot who it was) what did Horne mean by ”typographical error”?Does he want to make us believe he was supposed to write ”Dura mater NOT intact” ?? Puhleeeze!! He would have written ”Dura mater perforated” and then proceed to explain the injury.

  107. These morons on HLN. If Jodi is convicted will the family get to talk to Jodi. Well, yeah and they can tell her what it meant to lose him.. did they ever even talk to him or know anything about him?

  108. Now they are giving kudos to the judge when someone asked if she would be reprimanded for her circus like atmosphere in the courtroom. That blonde bitch said, oh no, there was so much evidence that she was ok acting the way she did.

    • well, five minutes was enough for me. Gag. Can’t stand watching this any longer.

  109. This is posted on the haters site..a transcprit of CH radio talk last night :

    “CH and Skye were in Cancun. Found out he was dead. First thought was that it was JA. Told investigators this immediately. When CH got home, called TA’s webmaster and he sent CH TA’s passcodes. CH tried them and the passcodes let him in. They read everything. As well as lots of other emails. Including google chat. Never once did JA ever ONCE say anything about pedophilia or abuse. Never, ever once. The only confrontations ever was TA confronting JA.’

    Sooo how long was he in Cancun? Who had TA’s computer?? NOT deputy dog I guess.. so many questions surrounding these CULT people!!

    • He’s so full of crap!! I don’t believe for one minute any webmaster gave him any passwords. Does he really think people are that stupid?

      • YES Gail.. he does!! thats some crazy ass who really thinks he is god..or will be when he dies..

      • They might, and I say ‘might’ give the family the passwords with proof of relationship and proof of death. But they would most likely require a warrant to release them.

        He acts like he is a force to be reckoned with the way he beaks off. He’s a nothing, a putz!!

    • OH wow!!

      So why would anyone assume the dead person is JA? Was she the one who was supposed to die that night?

      Is it a coincidence that Travis attacked Jodi right before his roommates got home? AND that the roommates never reported the smell because they probably knew it was Travis who bit the dust instead?

      And Chris Hughes is now saying he figured it would be Jodi. Now why would he assume that? I thought he went on Dr Drew talking about how DANGEROUS Jodi was, clearly he doesn’t believe his own lies, and he is in on whatever secrets that dorky little clique is hiding from the public.

    • Oh and I’d like to thank the haters for pointing out that it was Travis doing all the confronting:

      “The only confrontations ever was TA confronting JA.”

  110. How can Belvin Perry have the nerve to go on Nancy Disgrace? OMG. l have lost what little respect I had for him.

    • he looked cornered and while on the street kept walking while talking .. don’t give up on him yet NH .. his subliminal referencing about used car salesman/who would you trust . . why state lost their case was pretty good in the clips I saw

      • Belvin saw a hell of a lot more then any of us saw in that case. Looks like he dropped a few pounds……”he’s still the man” as far as I am concerned!!!!!

        • The jury saw more than we did too…and he should respect their verdict instead of expressing dismay with their decision. That is how justice works.

          • I believe the judges carry a great responsibility. They’re supposed to represent our judicial system at the highest level. I also feel that they should be held accountable for their actions. These tenants are taught in most civic classes. I went ahead and googled information about what their responsibilties are and we’re not far off the mark.

            http://www.americanbar.org/publications/criminal_justice_section_archive/crimjust_standards_trialjudge.html#6-1.1

            “Standard 6-1.1. General responsibility of the trial judge
            (a) The trial judge has the responsibility for safeguarding both the rights of the accused and the interests of the public in the administration of criminal justice. The adversary nature of the proceedings does not relieve the trial judge of the obligation of raising on his or her initiative, at all appropriate times and in an appropriate manner, matters which may significantly promote a just determination of the trial. The purpose of a criminal trial is to determine whether the prosecution has established the guilt of the accused as required by law, and the trial judge should not allow the proceedings to be used for any other purpose.

            (b) The trial judge should require that every proceeding before him or her be conducted with unhurried and quiet dignity and should aim to establish such physical surroundings as are appropriate to the administration of justice. The trial judge should give each case individual treatment; and the judge’s decisions should be based on the particular facts of that case. The trial judge should conduct the proceedings in clear and easily understandable language, using interpreters when necessary.

            (c) The trial judge should be sensitive to the functions of the prosecutor, defense counsel, witnesses, and jury, and the interests of the defendant, victim and public; and the judge’s conduct toward them should manifest professional respect, courtesy, and fairness.

            Standard 6-1.3. Adherence to standards
            The trial judge should be familiar with and adhere to the canons and codes applicable to the judiciary, the ethical rules effective in the particular jurisdiction applicable to the legal profession, and standards concerning the proper administration of criminal justice.

            Standard 6-1.4. Appearance, demeanor, and statements of the judge

            The trial judge’s appearance, demeanor, and statements should reflect the dignity of the judicial office and enhance public confidence in the administration of justice. The wearing of the judicial robe in the courtroom will contribute to these goals.

            Standard 6-1.6. Duty to maintain impartiality
            (a) The trial judge should avoid impropriety and the appearance of impropriety in all activities, and should conduct himself or herself at all times in a manner that promotes public confidence in the integrity and impartiality of the judiciary. The judge should not allow family, social, political or other relationships to influence judicial conduct or judgment.

            (b) During the course of official proceedings, the trial judge should avoid contact or familiarity with the defendant, victims, witnesses, counsel, or members of the families of such persons which might give the appearance of bias or partiality.

            (c) A judge should not hold membership in any organization that practices invidious discrimination on the basis of race, sex, religion, national origin, disability, age, or sexual orientation.

            (d) It is the responsibility of the trial judge to attempt to eliminate, both in chambers and in the courtroom, bias or prejudice due to race, sex, religion, national origin, disability, age, or sexual orientation. The judge should also avoid bias in hiring, and strive to achieve diversity in his or her staff.

            (e) A judge should not be influenced by actual or anticipated public criticism in his or her actions, rulings, or decisions.

            Standard 6-2.2. Duty to witnesses

            The trial judge should permit full and proper examination and cross-examination of witnesses, but should require the interrogation to be conducted fairly and objectively and with due regard for the dignity and legitimate privacy of the witnesses.

            Standard 6-2.3. Duty to control length and scope of examination

            The trial judge should permit reasonable latitude to counsel in the examination and cross-examination of witnesses, but should not permit unreasonable repetition or permit counsel to pursue clearly irrelevant or improper lines of inquiry.

            Standard 6-2.4. Duty of judge on counsel’s objections and requests for rulings

            The trial judge should respect the obligation of counsel to present objections to procedures and to admissibility of evidence, to request rulings on motions, to make offers of proof, and to have the record show adverse rulings and reflect conduct of the judge which counsel considers prejudicial. Counsel should be permitted to state succinctly the grounds of his or her objections or requests; but the judge should nevertheless control the length, manner and timing of argument.

            Standard 6-3.1. Special rules for order in the courtroom

            The trial judge, preferably before a criminal trial or at its beginning, should prescribe and make known the ground rules relating to conduct which the parties, the prosecutor, the defense counsel, the witnesses, and others will be expected to follow in the courtroom, and which are not set forth in the code of criminal procedure or in the published rules of court.”

            • Judge pickles failed 6-1.1B in my opinion letting Mtz throw his fits and ruffled feathers in the court room. Plus she hasn’t displayed confidence and she’s allowed him to bully defense witnesses. Pppfffsss

      • Me too. Screw him (and we’re not in court, so he can’t give me six days in jail for that)!

          • Mind if I ask you ladies why are you so disappointed in Judge Perry? The man spoke what he was feeling. Or are you pissed because he’s going on Nancy “the shrew” Grace?? Now that I can understand disappointment!

            Hell …..he’s probably getting ready to retire and don’t give a chyt!!!!!!

            • I think the timing sucks, because all of this focus is on Jodi’s verdict and the judge of ANOTHER trial with a controversial verdict just happens to feel the need to open his mouth this week when he’s had two years.

              Also, I think it’s unethical for a sitting judge to go on the air and freely admit his pro-prosecution bias (not that it wasn’t obvious during the trial). He’s supposed to project impartiality.

              • Okay …..Kira…I understand the timing issue of speaking out. But he is still entitled to speak how he felt about the case. And like I said…he is probably gonna be retiring soon. His speaking out at this time will probably end his career…I’m thinking.

              • just catching up, behind as usual, couldnt have said it better myself. I gotcha back on this one.

            • Him coming out and talking really doesn’t bother me. I’ve always felt he wasn’t in agreement with the verdict. I think the timing isn’t the smartest thing knowing these jurors aren’t on lock down.

            • Moni…it’s like HLN and their cohorts are all playing a game of “Life Chess”…they keep going around looking for that one king, one queen, two rooks, two knights, two bishops, and eight pawns…

              Doesn’t this sound familiar…HLN and their cohorts use those pieces to attack and capture the opponent’s pieces, with the objective to ‘checkmate’ the opponent’s king by placing it under an inescapable threat of capture…

              Such a shame that trials like Casey Anthony and Jodi Arias have come down to live entertainment on television played as a “Life Chess” game…

              And many times I have compared Jodi Arias trial with “Hunger Games”…so much in common too…

            • Well Moni, I’m disappointed with both really.

              HLN has been throwing up the Casey Anthony acquittal as leverage against the jurors in this case to come back with nothing less than M1. They *think* people aren’t going to notice this, but we do.

              Enter Judge Perry, whom agrees to do the interview during verdict watch of this case. This was done deliberately to remind the jurors what a disappointment the Casey Anthony verdict was, and not to repeat it.

              Now whether Judge Perry was aware of this stunt HLN is pulling, I don’t know. I wish he had at least considered it before agreeing to the interview.

              The jury is supposed to judge guilt or innocence by themselves, not by the influence of the media or even this blog. I want to believe that they are obeying the admonition but like Nurmi said, fairy tales aren’t for believing in. HLN putting this out there, and Judge Perry helping them, is just a huge disappointment to me. People say they believe in justice, then want to either involve themselves or prevent it from actually exercising itself the way the law requires.

    • Are judges in Florida elected?

      Just the skeptic in me wondering why he’d think it to his benefit to be talking about this now.

  111. Lol @ grade-f western! I don’t know why they didn’t just cast the Jersey Shore crew as their fake jury. Get ’em slopping ass drunk on shots of Ron Ron juice and have ’em re-enact it ALL!! HLN is such a class act. In the Lifetime movie I want Snooki to play Nancy Grace though. If the barrette fits…

  112. I have not allowed myself to look at HLN for a while. I must say that I have thought about it a couple times today and decided I was better off just looking on here for my updates 🙂

    • Stay away for all negativity,hatred and venom!! Let’s keep positive,sending out only positive thoughts,prayers and hope to Jodi.Let’s not poison our soul with anything toxic.

    • same here. I run the risk of profanity laced rants when I watch them.

      I suspended my boycott for a few minutes the other day and they got under my skin.

      I’m much less stressed not watching them!

      • I am stressed enough waiting for verdict much less add them idiots to it!!

      • Don’t worry about profanity laced rants…according to DR. Data Point those are only “inappropriate” behaivors “within” that one particular rant. It will never be used against you. Tee Hee

      • Hey MB, don’t worry on the profanity usage. Ok? I’ll take one for the team and use it for you! LOL 🙂

  113. i thought they were only going to 7 eastern ( 4pm AZ time), maybe there close to verdict and want to get it over tonight

  114. Received some good news today! The shit-wad that assaulted my cusin two years ago —and received just a slap on the hand—was rearrested last night on even more charges that should keep him in jail for a long, long, time! Now all we need is for JODI to be found NOT GUILTY!!!!! HUGE HUGS FOR JODI AND THE REST OF TEAM JODI!!!!!!!!!!!

  115. I’m re-posting this because I think it’s worth another look. In 1981, in this same county, a man was tried for stabbing his wife 26 times. At first he claimed there were intruders (sound familiar) and then he claimed he was sleepwalking and that his wife had driven him to it because she was a nag. He was acquitted.

    http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/criminal_mind/psychology/automatism/4.html

    Can you imagine what kind of justice Jodi would have gotten in 1981? Just shows how far we have NOT come.

  116. Oh my gosh those morons on HLN, their listeners are trying to say JOdi made a slash across her neck, they are seriously idiots, do you remember when she was crying and the tears started running down under her chin, she wiped them away with her hand???? IF YOU ARE LOOKING YOU IDIOTS AT THIS WOW, HOW DUMB ARE YOU??? The blonde lady was trying to get her expert to say jodi was making a slashing movement and when she didnt say that they cut her off by saying they lost the signal – ugh

    • If that don’t take the cake I don’t know what does. Trying to force a bald-faced lie out of someone to stir the hate. The only signal they’ve lost is the one connected to their brains. I can’t watch anymore. I accidentally heard Jenkasarous talking for a sec and rage consumed my body. I have it on that channel in case there is a verdict but am watching recorded stuff. They are still clinging to the DP like a wet hair up Nancy Grace’s ass. Pathetic!! Ok I may be losing my composure now. lol

      • I know and the lady started saying, oh, like this, she was slashing with her finger and tried to change up her story because she said grabbing your neck shows vulnerability, that was so so obviously such a huge try to create news, I could not even believe it, I could not wait to get back to work so I could share my disgust

  118. Well, shit-for-brains Hughes was just on HLN being interviewed by Jane Velez Bitchell. This guy is an absolute ass head. What a lying sack of shit. I couldn’t bring myself to watch this douchebag so I have no idea what he said. But I’m sure whatever he said he was full of shit.

    • His reputation precedes him.

      I see a future in politics for this twerp.

      • Do he and Sky ever stay home and watch their kids? They’re more worried about doing the media rounds than anything else. I bet they really wanted to be called as witnesses so that they could have their turn in the “limelight,” as Kermit would say.

        • Kira-
          I just got shivers…those poor children. Haven’t they been damaged enough by those two complete idiots who left their innocent children alone with TA. Probably told the kids to call him “uncle Travis”.

          Mr. Nurmi did the right thing by telling them that TA had an “interest” in one of their little boys, and the scum bags called him a liar instead of doing what any good and decent parent would do-immeidatley call a professional to discuss the fact that their child may have been sexually abused. There are no words for this kind of scum!!!!!

  119. How am I supposed to “verdict watch” ? Busy, busy, busy. Who invented work?

    • Happy Birthday!

      Wednesday is my younger brother’s birthday, so I’m hoping that he’ll bring us luck for a positive verdict.

    • Michaele,
      HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!
      Today is my husband’s Birthday.
      We’re wishing the same!! : )

        • I’ll relay that to my husband. : )

          And that was a beautiful song Renee’

          Happy Birthday to your hubby too, Ann.
          Taurus’s are damn good people.
          May is a good month and it has to be for Jodi. : )

          Kira,
          Happy Birthday to your brother.

          May is a busy Hallmark month! : 0

  121. I know im always very “serious” (wink wink) but i thought we could use some evidence that AZ has some really fucked up laws…

    It is illegal in AZ to own or possess more than 6 “adult movies”, “dildos”, “adult magazines”, etc… Owning them is a Class A misdemeanor, selling them is a state jail felony! Yep, selling a dildo for profit is a felony in AZ! WTF?

    Although the rumored law, that you can get 25 years in prison for cutting doen a cactus is NOT true, It is A class 4 felony to take cactus from a state land, or private land, without permmission. Yep, If you steal a “plant” off of the “states” land…it could be a felony, in AZ!

    This one is nutts: If you rent a white rental car with gas tanks in the trunk, and then defend yourself against an attempted assailant, you can be charged with Felony murder. Yah, this one is really hard to believe, but its on the internet, so it MUST be true.

    Have a good night everyone.

      • JM: “I would like for the defendant to demonstrate exactly how and at what angle she was holding the dildo when she attacked Chris Hugues’ ass”

        (rapidly marches towards witness stand dildo in hand)

        JM: “Ma’m, was the dildo flopping around as you wielded against your victim?” “YES or NO!?”

    • Oh

      HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

      thanks for the laughs sirlip!

      I know we can count on you!

      • I would love to watch Kermit prosecute a case about stolen dildos. Could you imagine?

    • This is good information to know! So for those of us who want to stick a cactus up “you know who’s butt” we need to make sure where we get it. Ok got it. Next, don’t carry any sex toys with you during this act..just in case your caught. OK got it…When are where do we meet tonight to carry out this plan?

  122. Anyone else notice how HLN is trying to “subtly” push for a rush to judgment by the jury in the hopes that the jury isn’t coming back with a guilty verdict? HLN needs to be banned from the airwaves forever!!!

  123. No that is David Hall the only ASS HAT that went to the candle light thing last night! LOLOLOLOL!! Only 1 friend went. Knee slap i guess only 1 camera being there to cover it wasn’t enough!!

    • Hey Krista, You mean none of the Turd Alliance showed up with candles up their assholes to act as candlabarras for the head-turd’s memorial? what are “friends” for (smirk smirk wink wink!)

      • Guess we’ll have to relive this agonizing waiting tomorrow and god knows how many days…And when I say ”we” I mean us as well as Jodi,her family,JW,and KN…

  125. 1). In the up thread someone mentioned the state failing to charge JA with burglary and or trespassing and how that affects felony murder. I hope this dawns on the jury. It’s a great point. I already felt that the charge wasn’t relevant by definition and it was an abuse of power to begin with but hadn’t thought about the lack of the supporting charges.

    2) the Hughes were at the court house like all day hugging people?? Really…. Oh and ofcourse back on TV tonight. Wonder if they are getting paid to appear. I hate their faces… Sorry I do. I feel bad that they lost a friend but I have as well ( a fiancé) and me nor ANY of our friends would have conducted ourselves in this manner.

    3) jVM was just interviewing another ” friend” and hesitated about talking about not wanting to talk about tire situation because of the jury hearing etc… Her response as they are in deliberations so they can’t watch right now. Um they can’t watch u at all crazy lady.

    4) anyone else feel like people are starting to back peddle on M1 because verdict isn’t in. Or there is all the sudden all these standard ” paperwork ” reasons they not have a verdict bla la la.

    5) the memorial yesterday was nice and all but have they done this before?? I mean why now? So they can be sad on TV. I feel bad the siblings had a bad relationship with him & lost him prior to his death but they are twisting that estranged relationship now.

    • Brenda
      #5…I’ll add to that…TA’s estranged family is not only twisting that relationship, They are PROFITING from his death and aught to be ashamed.

    • Those sickos are actually loving the fact their so called friend died so they can get all this attention, they are so sick, if my family member or friend died I would be so distraught and would want privacy wow

  126. It is with great amusement I peek in on the Taliban site and see they are all disintegrating because they thought they would come back with M 1 immediately.

    😆

    and 😆

    and did I mention, 😆

    😆 😆 😆

  129. If you will notice all the haters are older ladies(if you can call them that) who have no life. Anyone who can pick up, travel across 10 states, and go stand at a courthouse all day and night have no life. These people are crazy. Most look like they’ve been hitting the bottle.

    • Thanks for the American dream,
      To vulgarize and to falsify until the bare lies shine through.
      Thanks for the KKK.
      For n****r-killin’ lawmen, feelin’ their notches.
      For decent church-goin’ women, with their mean, pinched, bitter, evil faces.

      WILLIAM S. BURROUGHS

      • Wow! A Burroughs Fan!!! Me too. next to Bukowski, he is one of my favorites.

  131. I think if I had been here as long as the jury had, I would have voted to go longer.

  132. I’ve always felt Judge Belvin Perry was not in agreement with the CA verdict. When she came forth with her lawyer and he made his statement..he said, “a jury of your peers have agreed” …he left out “this court” and a jury of your peers. Small difference but I felt it was his little way of saying…I don’t agree.

    • Meowington, not sure who else is covering it, but I could no longer watch HLN so I started watching it on live streams. That way I didn’t have to listen to all their/HLN’s bull, plus no commercials. 🙂 Much more enjoyable. I just keep it up all day and when the jury comes back,

      • Hi Nora, unfortunately I can’t stream it live during working hours anymore. Hopefully I’ll be on break or lunch one jury decides.

  135. HLN just said jury will start at 10 tomorrow morning. Putting their spin on it thinking they may have reached a verdict and will sleep on it or they are near a verdict.

    • Could be though …. Or one could have been an appointment. An appointment I would think isn’t likely because they have been in court for weeks during that time.

  136. I am sickened by the circus that is camped out in front of the court house in Arizona,had the tv on today trying to get some info and tha idiot Vinnie was on with some lawyers,he was asking questions and the guest lawyers seem to be a little pro Jodi and that asshole Vinnie kept cutting them off and wouldnt let them finish.He was ranting and raving like old Juano and was pushing the guilty M! verdict,cant be anything else in his mind,HLN should be banned forever from the air waves.I am praying for Jodi,I would like to see manslaughter ,but with all the lies and tarnish this trial has had,I have a not so good feeling.Lets all keep up the support and hope for the ultimate goal AQUITTAL,I would like to see JMs face when that one is dropped on him!

    • i am happy to say, based on all the complaints I’m hearing, that I don’t and haven’t ever tuned in to hln…My question for all of you who are daily railing against hln: Why do you watch it if you hate it so much, lol??!!!

  137. S jury might have a verdict. Starting late tomorrow and that might be an indicator that they wanted to sleep on it before letting judge know

  138. I oops and posted this on the morning page when everyone is over here now:

    The reporters from Wild About trail are releasing a book which according to the forward is aimed at showing the affect of media on the case. And after reading some remarks it is clear it sparked another fire. , people are pissed Travis’s family wasn’t getting the profits.

    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=594120243934185&set=a.447341545278723.114411.347478735265005&type=1

    What is it about this case that people think only his family deserves money???

    • They need to work for a living, not profit off their dead, abusive brother.

    • At least in part is it the old standard, that TA was a young red blooded american male. That he was only sowing some wild oats (like they used to call it). Somehow it is ok for him to be working different females, it shows he was some kind of stud or something ridiculous like that.

      Some people are ignorant ass holes, and don’t believe that he was abusive physically. They believe it’s ok to manipulate women with words, he was single and it was ok to do it. It’s sad and pathetic as well that some people will not believe Jodi cuz she told a lie before the trial started. They refuse to see that TA was sick, he had desire for young girls, and possibly boys. They are closed minded ass bites, that have no mind of their own, and cannot think for themselves. They need some closed minded revenue oriented tv station like HLN to tell them what to think.

      When your getting information about this trial from a biased person like Nancy Grace, you have absolutely no clue whats really going in this case.

  139. KLoFaith‏@KLoFaith2m
    Jinkasaurus says the jury looked pensive like jurors R disagreeing. @bethkaras says there may B a verdict & just sleeping on it. #JodiArias

    Sens 4 Life ♥‏@SueCotie3m
    Crap jury done for day! Jean came out and said they didn’t look good and are not starting deliberations till 10 am tomorrow! #JodiArias

  140. So if she gets manslaughter she can face 7-21 yrs. gee I wonder what the judge would give her?

  141. I hope they find Nancy Grace incoherent and sleepwalking in her Hello Kitty pajamas on the runway of the Atlanta/Hartsfield airport tonight.

  142. Just as I was about to say goodnight I went to Facebook,read Jodi’s mum’s prayer and burst out crying…. 🙁
    This is devastating,heartbreaking…It hit me yet again that this is someone’s daughter,someone’s baby…

    Sandy Allen-Arias
    Romans 12:12
    Rejoice in hope, be patient in tribulation, be constant in prayer.

    Jodi Ann Arias, You are my first born, You are my number 1. I love you more than you will ever know. I long for the day that I can put my arms around you. That will be soon. I know that God has his arms around you right now keeping you safe.
    Love, Mom

  143. Seems to me that some of their jurors are seeing thru the oompa-loompa’s bs and are meticulously going over everything. The fact that no verdict has been made may be a good thin! In fact they may heve set up a board in the chambreroom wher they are weighing the state’s noxious bs against the dt truth and making absolutely sure that they have all of the dt’s truths on point so that the troll can’t come back and try and retry ODI on some more bull-shit charges.

  145. Another genius:

    “Maybe they’ve already decded M1 and are deciding if it’s premeditated or felony, or both. That’s what I’m hoping. Lol ”

    Uh…except that it wouldn’t matter either way. Some of them could say premeditated and some could say felony, but if they were all in agreement about M1, then M1 it is.

  147. IRONIC that many consider Jodi as a big liar and TA as an ambitious, heartwarming gentleman.
    yet, as i see it (and most here?), Jodi was TOO truthful.
    and TA’s bullshittin’ life came out.

  148. HLN – Jodi is posting again so I checked. One of them says “9 out of 10 … that sounds about right”. New art and new postings.

  149. been away and unable to watch tv brother has it so how many hrs total so far thinking about this does anyone know

  150. my eyes hurt reading the small print have reading glasses on wish there was a way to enlarge the print

    • Hold down either the control or the key with the windows on it and click the + key. It should enlarge the font.

    • If using firefox go to view and click on zoom in, do it till it is large enough.

  151. You can probably change your computers font tonya. Go to tools then to settings and see.

  155. OMG!! Michael Hughs on Nasty Grace, saying Jodi’s family were laughing at the photo of TA’s throat slashed. WTH????

    • And other comments saying the family’s reactions were inappropriate for what was being talked about during the trial!! So now they are going to just go hog wild attacking the Arias family? Sick!

      • do they REALLY think IF the family had laughed during that photo we wld only be hearing about it now??????? NG would have been ALLLLL over that as soon as it happen. Like the frickin CAMERAS wld have missed it? way to get the lynch mob riled up for when Jodi is found not guilty. Isnt this similar to screaming fire in a movie theatre? for the love of pete!

      • Well I really can’t stand them now !! What a bunch of assholes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111

      • that pasty faced teletubby Chris, just disgusts me and I just cannot believe HLN keeps putting them on, I think anyone else with any shred of dignity is distancing themselves from that network, the other networks are showing class and going on to news of the day, like the awesome news those three kidnapped girls were found. Just a bunch of has beens and have never beens are on HLN and they are bleeding this case and now making up crazy things, like when Jodi was wiping tears from under her chin, saying she was pretending to slice a neck, they are reaching and grasping and all so pathetic, the one I had a shred of respect for, Drew, has totally made me lose any bit of respect I had. He is cackling and gleeful and so unprofessional about all of this just like the others, its sad and so pathetic, the whole bunch of them

        • As soon as this is over, HLN will on to the next big trial. Abe, the Hughes and all the other friends will feel like a piece of HLN’s toilet paper. They are so wrong if they HLN care about the “search for truth”. HLN is in for rating.

      • Nasty Nancy had Donald Trump on to saying that she is tweeting him and he told her to take a deal……….. 🙄

  156. well my eyes hurt and cant get the words to say big so I’m going to watch some tv

  158. ”Jodi Arias ‏@Jodiannarias 6 Μay
    Group prayer in a little while, 6PM PST. Go to “Jodi Arias Friends and Family” Facebook group for details. Thx 4 your prayers and God bless.”

    Anyone still awake?Let’s pray/send positive energy/think happy thoughts….Whatever ‘label” we may put on it,let’s do it people!! Jodi will be joining us.

    • Tell them that Pat from Vancouver Island is praying for Jodi and her Family..

      • hey pat! i can see vancouver island from my house. i`m on the sunshine coast in halfmoon bay. howdy georgia straight neighbor! and i`m praying too!

    • maria 🙂 I’m going to watch song of Bernadette for my prayer for Jodi I know that she was a saint but every thing that happened to her is happening to Jodi they said she lied they sent her to a shrink a nun gave her hell all because she saw a vision that no on else did sound familiar

    • Hi Maria, how are you getting into these private groups on fb? You should suggest them to me so I can join 🙂

      • The name of the group is ”Jodi arias’s acquittal page,friends and family”.Type it in the search box and send a friend request.
        Of course there are other ,too.

  159. Such disgusting behavior should be punished. How disturbing and inhumane. I want to see someone do something about this trash.

  160. My nerves are shot. I didn’t go far from the TV all day in case they said “Verdict reached”. I ran out of my staples, (Diet Coke and Cigs) and waited until they said the jurors went home for the day before I went to the store. Anyway, another night to wonder, and then we have tomorrow. I am, like everyone, wondering what it means that the jury hasn’t come back yet. It seems like a long time, but in reality, it hasnt been all that long. I don’t really count Friday, they were only gone for 55 minutes, and likely didn’t discuss a whole lot. Today was a typical 7 and a half hour day, minus an hour lunch, so really 6.5 hours. Anyway, I’ve been driving myself nuts trying to “read” into what the time means, and in reality, who the hell knows, we just don’t know. All we do know is that they did not ask for any records or evidence, and that they are starting an hour later tomorrow.Part of me wonders if they did, in fact, reach their verdict already and just did not want to seem to eager, or like they had rushed. I just don’t know. I have a feeling it will be tomorrow, again, just a feeling. Waiting is awful. Everytime I hear a little dramatic music or see “Breaking News”, my heart comes up to my throat.

    I hope everyone here is doing alright this evening. xo

    • Your right, who the hell knows what it means. I thought the same thing about them already reaching a verdict, and not wanting to seem eager. One of those HLN idiot lawyer that are allowed upstairs said, they saw the juror leaving and they had a serious look on their face, like they are not in agreement. I wished I never surfed over there for a second. Just gives me something else to dwell on all night. I think AL’s OCD is caughing.

      • its the best thing had some time trying to figure it out but changed the right thing and now I can seeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

          • Thank Sil I love it …. hard to not have one especially if you have to borrow someone else my brother went to bed at 8pm so was left with HLN for the news

  162. I am having a hard time holding onto any sympathy for the family of TA. They have not handled themselves in a dignified manner IMO. On the other hand, the family of JA has not, as far as I know, made public appeals for money, called any troops to arms or joined in any hoopla surrounding this circus. I seriously doubt that anything said on NG is true. If they dared to smile about anything, I am sure despicable Nance would’ve caught it on film and lied about the circumstances by now. Meanwhile the other family is constantly mugging, guffawing or rolling their eyes in full display of the jury. Get a grip people…I am sorry for your loss but accept that your brother lied to you and was a hypocrite!!

    • Jodi family has never asked for anything or have done TV interviews I think when its all done with they will sue there ass I’m sure a lawyer will love to get there hands on that.

    • Any thing related to Jodi weather it’s her art work or the survivor shirt gets criticized and crusified on national tv. According to some girl who called on the nancy grace show Jodi copied many pieces of her art from magazines. Uhm who cares if those poses are from a magazine. Jodi’s art work is nice and it sells 🙂

      • You would think one of her lawyers would have advised Jodi that you can’t sell copyrighted material.

    • Well said Gwen! I lost my patience with them months ago. Of course everyone thought I was cruel for criticizing their immature, selfish behavior but what else can it be called? The petulant eye rolling, smirks, sneers, looking at the jury to see if they noticed.. how stupid do they think we are? They say they want justice, but aren’t willing to allow justice to work the way it was designed to in this country.

      I’m sure not *all* of them are despicable people. I get some reasonable vibes from *some* of them. But it doesn’t cancel out all the instances of contempt of court that were allowed to go on.

  163. Has everyone started praying for poor Nancy Grace? 😛 She is apparently in absolute shock that the jury has been out this long. I saw a retweet about this on Twitter. I think it’s soooo sad. Don’t you all agree? Poor Nasty DisGrace.

  164. well asked the cards how long will it take to reach a verdict and the card number was 18 so 18 hrs sure its not 18 day or that would be a scream if it was sense it took 4 months for the trial

    • Tonya….what is the starting point of 18 hours…will it count the hours tonight…or will it wait and start the count when they actually start tomorrow…

      • well I asked today and they were at it for how long or it could be it included the time they spent yesterday just don’t know sometimes the cards talk to me and sometimes they don’t just have to wait like the rest of us . 🙄

        • I thinnk they’re up to 7 1/2 hours so far. So 18 total would bring us to Thursday.

          • Total of deliberation hours so far…7 1/2 hours

            Friday…1 hour
            Monday…6 1/2 hours

            If the 18 hours is correct…then we should be seeing a verdict on Wednesday evening???

            Some other websites are saying they think the jury is going to give a verdict in the morning…They said that they changed their normal time of 9 am to 10 am tomorrow for a reason…and they feel the jurors wanted to sleep on their verdict and give it in the morning…

  165. What time is the jury going into deliberations tomorrow…I am reading different times…

    • Nancy Grace show was saying 10 am…and someone else said 9 am to 4:30 pm…

  167. Maria riga,
    Still at work here, but took a break to pray. Back to work. My tummy hurts..(nerves)..feeling refreshed though.
    Ok
    Out.

  168. That freaken Chris Hughes is a NUT JOB!!!! I can’t believe the crap that he spews out of his mouth. The thing that made me laugh the hardest is when he and the Mrs. claimed that the emails were sent because Jodi basically conned them….WTF I mean if I had a friend I had known for YEARS and his new girlfriend came to me and told me things that went against the person that I knew the friend to be I would laugh in her face!!! But I think they BOTH knew that TA was a little…..not on the up and up with who he CLAIMED TO BE!! I think they saw what they said they saw in the emails and are now back peddling to save face. I am so FUCKING pist that the media keeps harping on how Jodi lied. YES she lied and has admitted to it. TA lived a lie everyday of his life and during the trial his lies came out he claimed to be this great man of God that was a 30 year old virgin…EVEN when confronted with the tapes of TAs voice wanting to tie Jodi to a tree and all the other degrading things he said in the tapes and emails THEY pedo huggers claim he was still a modern day messiah. HE LIED JODI LIED …..HELL We have all lied sometime during our lives… SORRY all I am on pins and needles waiting for this verdict….My daughter has asked me every 10 minutes if I have gotten the call yet that a verdict has been reached. I pray that this jury is doing the right thing based on the evidence and NOT on what they fear may happen to them based upon what happened to Cassies jury.. Well all I am going to head to bed now 3 am comes early!!!
    (((((((HUGS))))))) to all my cyber family!!!

    • And you know, Chris and Sky Hughes HAD to be the ones who originated that prosecution bullshit about Cancun, etc. JM and EF never should have listened to any of those people.

    • Yes! I couldn’t agree with Jennifer more…SO sick of hearing about what a liar Jodi is! At least she didnt hold herself up to be a pillar of PURITY, great prophetic example of how to live your life, inspiration to ALL, and Gods gift to women! jeez u would have thot TA was Jesus reincarnated the way everyone absolutely gushes about him….AND HLN loooves to bash Jodi, but are they ever having a ratings coup with her trial! Even debuting a new show (HLN after dark) cuz of it! shes making them alot of money…..and they hate her. wheres the justice in that?

    • ((((((((hugs)))))))))) To you too Jennifer!

      I totally agree, so many good points. They couldn’t be conned because they already knew what an asshole Travis was. So what changed? What’s the point of turning on Jodi? Is it not humiliating enough for them to be trapped in LIE after LIE, to be caught in yet another stupid stupid LIE?

      I mean wow, these people are gluttons for punishment. They must be delusional.

  169. Tonya,
    Do you use a standard spread or do you have your own that you use? Also, do you choose your own significator or let the deck choose for you? I have a deck that I have had for many years, and am tempted to get it out too. It’s been so many years, I need to get my book out too.

    • SJ really does not want me to talk about the cards but I have owned my for 30 yrs have them in box. I use the internet to get the meaning but have many books I think my cards know who I am so no significator im a queen of cups describes me .

      • Oh ok Tonya, I didn’t know SJ didn’t want you to discuss the cards. I have also had mine about 30 years, (32) Keep them wrapped in silk in an oak box that was my grandmothers. I use different significators, but usually Ace of Cups.

        • yes me too an old scarf that my grandmother gave me he seems ok as long as it is about jodi but when other girls were asking me to read the cards for them is when SJ said don’t.

          • Anna it is cool how we have grandmothers in common and the cards told me that the Hughes were involved in his death where they were in a boat with the swords man woman and child getting away. and the 5 of penticals were he is on crutches on foot with a sock an other with a shoe and here all stragley walking in the snow under a church window

            • and the best one of all was when i asked who was in the house the nite he was killed 4 of swords 3 above him and one on the coffin read it to be man the woman and jodi and the one on the coffin is Ashley Thompson Reed

            • would love to here what your cards are tell you about this trial and jodi it would be nice to have a second opinion on this i just like to visualize the picture and what is going on in it that tell me more than the books and the net does.

              • I haven’t gotten them out or read them in years. I am almost afraid to.

      • Hi Tonya, just to clarify, it’s not that I didn’t want you to talk about the cards, or that I have any “card issues”, I only mentioned it a few weeks back when we had like 50 comments in a row on the cards that’s all.

        All is good!
        SJ
        Team Jodi

  170. They’re talking about the .25 caliber gun again. Travis’ friend who he went shooting with repeated on Jane Velez Mitchell’s show that Travis didn’t own a gun. Marcia Clark just asked the Hughes if Travis owned a gun, they said no.

    What I’m wondering about is, if he DIDN’T own a gun, how is it there was a rumor, according to Flores police report, going around the friends in Utah that Travis was shot with a .25 caliber gun? This was long before everything came out about Travis even being shot!!!!

    • Why would Jodi have made it up about grabbing the gun on the top shelf if she already had it?

      They are such complete and total liars it’s disgusting.

      • tonysam her defense went with the self defense because she could not id the 2 intruders she told you this in the interview

          • It’s so funny how Travis’ friends still act like they knew everything about him. Uh, HELLO? Do they not get by now that Travis was pretty damn good at keeping secrets? How the hell would they know if he owned a .25 or not?

            • Right Kira!
              They THOUGHT he was a virgin.
              BUT, they’re sure he didn’t own a gun.
              What idiots.
              Yet they call Jodi the liar.
              Damn, they piss me off.
              I think that they should have had to testify.
              PLUS, the jury doesn’t know that Skye was keeping in touch with juan to let him know about the TRUTH duing the trial.

              NOW that just sucks

    • bingo the light of day someone else sees the light too i thought that the day this site did the breakdown on the Flores report i stayed up 2 days my brain was scrambled trying to get it straight and they did it in one day. this team here is good. Dan Hall is a big question mark along with Chris and sky Hughes the rest are just followers but the one roommate knows Ashley knew but she is dead Dustin the FBI got his ass or so we were told question mark on that one

    • because evidence was planted at the house they talk about the shell casing but not the one in his cheek ????????????

      • Goes back to the SHOE-PRINT in the blood! ho had on shoe? JODI didn’t—she had on socks—-and TA didn’t—he was barefoot! So whose shoe s made the print? One of the ninjas that’s who! Why cover up your face unless you know the party or party that you intend to kill would be able-if they were to survive— to recognize your face! Which brings it all back to the roommates, CH and co., or someone else that TA had screwed over and they knew that JODI an TA might be able to recognize them! Could it be possible that TA was trying to set JODI up to be killed and it backfired because he refused to pay his hit-men??

        • How soon did the lady that just loves Travis, juan and flores buy that house, had everything replaced? They should have NEVER sold that house until there was a COMPLETE investigation.
          Was the FBI called in?

          • another good question so no more investigation could be done on it to show that she was innocent of this. that is why they when in and fixed it up for said they did not need the money Chris Hughes had money to put up wonder what ever happened to his car that Jodi broke. Did Chris Hughes get it. Dan Hall got all his clothes that is uh sick strange the roommates have not been making money of the media whats up with that how come no one is talking about Ashley Reed death or Dustin he is on the police report. Oh they must of left that off so that means they changed the report to suit them.

  171. So, I posted about a month ago and don’t know if it was ever posted…I was “Undecided” then. I’ve continued to visit the site and read your intelligent, thoughtful and reasonable comments daily. I’ve listened to both sides to see if the state proved their case for M1 beyond a reasonable doubt…and they have NOT proved that. So, I’m “Decided” now:)
    I’m unsure what happened that horrible day (as everyone is) and know that only God knows what really happened. I believe it’s ultimately up to Him to judge us for the things we’ve done, so I’m not worried about the jury. God doesn’t get it wrong.

    Although, what truly bothers me is the ignorance and hate that people have shown during this trial and how unfair and unjust our “justice” system is. That’s why I trust in God being the final judge.

  172. Chris and sky on Dr. Drew.. wonder if he’ll ask bout the email when they told Travis he was a scumbag.. I doubt it..

  173. I’m quite surprised at how many of you still bother with HLN. I haven’t tuned to that network in months. I can get the trial info from many other places that don’t have an agenda and this site is my favorite by far. I’ll never watch HLN again for anything. THe new boss at CNN is killing the credibility there.

    • Joe-
      I have boycotted them completely which is what brought me to this page…I was searching for real and true information. Is the new CNN boss the former NBC guy who left a few years ago? can’t remember his name…want to say something like Zukerberg?

      • Same here……………They and the haters brought me to this site. I want to still believe in our justice system and belief that everyone deserves a fair trial through our judicial system. The amount of hate and public lynching made me absolutely sick.

    • Joe we watch because the manage to get shit that should not have gotten and they put up assholes that will eventually put their foot in their mouth but the rest of the shit we ignore it or mute till something interesting comes out like the jodi’s dad said the gun in the house was a 22

    • I know it seems weird, Joe. I watch HLN because I WANT to know what the other side is thinking/saying much in the same way that I, as a Liberal Democrat, watched Fox News during the presidential election. If I only tuned into MSNBC, I wouldn’t haved learned much about the Conservative Republicans’ train of thought. It IS agonizing sometimes, but I can’t seem to help myself. 🙂 or :-(.

  174. I am so filled with angst and sadness tonight. The speculation about the 10 a.m start tomorrow is really getting to me. When I look through the comments posted here and catch something mentionning HLN I can’t believe my eyes. The hatred and lies is CONSTANT and is so upsetting. I cannot believe the bloodlust and how they are stirring up so many into a true mob mentality. Honestly friends, I think we should keep away from that channel. The worst thing for me tonight though was the quote Maria posted from Jodi’s mum. I am heartbroken reading it. I am so afraid for that sweet, gentle girl.

    Now, enough of my negative vibe. We’ve got to stay positive peeps and stay off HLN . I just needed to get it out there…no one else understands but all of you and I’m so grateful you all are out there.

    Try to sleep well tonight Jodi. I think tommorow will be the day you can finally hug your mom again.

    • The late start time could be b/c of a juror needing to do something and wouldn’t be able to get there by 9am. They may be going to stay an hour later b/c of the late start time. If they are seen coming in tomorrow wearing dress clothes we can say they have reached a verdict..that is always a tell tell sign.

      • Some other websites are saying they think the jury is going to give a verdict in the morning…They said that they changed their normal time of 9 am to 10 am tomorrow for a reason…and they feel the jurors wanted to sleep on their verdict and give it in the morning…

      • Does anyone remember the day a few weeks ago when the judge was discussing the calendar with the jury?

        I’ve been reading over on the HuffPo board and one of the posters there said that May 7 was mentioned that day as a late start time because one of the jurors had a doctors appointment or something.

        • You are absolutely correct Journee…or should I say Dr. Watson…LOL….

          I remember that now…thanks…I guess those other sites forgot that too…

          • Oh, that’s good to know. I was thinking that if they had a verdict, why not just get it over with tonight instead of waiting until 10 AM tomorrow?

    • ((((((((CanadaLinda))))))))))) Stay away from that filth, hon. It is poison.

      Get some rest. The late start could be coincidence, or could be they are ready to acquit, and agreed to sleep on it first.

      ♥

        • Another thing to think about is..if they had reached a verdict they would have alerted the judge and the judge would have told everyone to be in court at a certain time.

          • Sometimes, even if they have reached a verdict by evening, they don’t want to announce it then but instead give everyone a chance to sleep on it and have a final vote in the morning. We will see…

          • that is true lilly…but she did say or someone said that they are supposed to stay near their cell phones in the event they are called…so they may have called them tonight???

            • I forgot to say lilly that this is Arizona…and the way that I understand it is that things are doing a little different in Arizona…LOL…

      • Renee….that’s what I read at some other sites too…they are coming in late to read the verdict…

  175. Yeah, the quote Maria posted from Jodi’s Mom was very moving. I can’t imagine what she’s going through. I’m going to pray for the whole family now.

  176. Chris: “sky, I wanna bend you over the rock in the backyard, fuck you in the ass, hear you scream like a 12 year old, then cum on your face!”

    I wonder what sky would think then.. would she continue to say how great Travis and Chris are… I doubt it.. damn they r so blind!!!

    SORRY FOR THE FROFANITY BUT U GET THE POINT WITH THESE HYPOCRITES

    • Chris and Sky are trying to save face with all the other fakes at the church. They don’t want to lose their spot in the church or with his job. Their boss is a Travis freak, so I’m sure they would say whatever they can to keep in good standing with those type people. Bastards don’t have a mind of their own. They know a lot more than they are letting on.

    • In that marriage, I think Sky wears the pants. She’d be the one tying Chris up and bending him over a rock :).

      • Kira good point Jodi said the woman wanted to kill her and the man didn’t

  177. The friend saying he knows travis didn’t own a gun b/c he never told him that is nuts. There were evidently lots of things Travis’s friends didn’t know about him..so how would they know what he owned?

    • Like Travis would really tell his pal with the assault rifle collection that he keeps a girlie little toy gun in the top of his closet.

      • The gun could have belonged to his parents my did had a gun then gave it to me when I was raped to protect myself.

  178. Why are you guys watching HLN
    Do not support Travis’s FameWhore friends!!
    they are despicable vile creatures

  179. I think we all should BOYCOTT Dior and HLN in Jodis NAME!!! She is a sweet gentle soul that needs us to stand UP FOR HER!!! There are so many people set out to DESTROY Jodi!!! WE have to do everything that we can as Jodi’s supporters and cyber family!!!I haven’t watched HLN in forever and I turn any channel that has a HLN member on it’s show!! I live in Iowa and they are the only place I was able to get news about the trial until I realized that though I did not believe what the talking heads were saying JUST by watching I was supporting the network!! Yes I threw a cup at the tv and my fiancé banned me from turning it there but I could of still watched and chose to SUPPORT JODI and her innocence and NOT SUPPORT the lies they spew!!! Jodi NEEDS US AND WE need to support her in the times she can’t just as we would do for any of our other FAMILY MEMBERS!!!

  181. “not a red cent” -CH on whether or not he had paid himself from the donations.
    At least if you are gonna lie, make it kkkiiiinnndd of convincing , say your paying yourself 1% for an administrative fee.
    Melon-head can’t even do that right. He is all over the media collecting money….and getting big donations and plans to set up a 503-non profit in TAs name.
    This FOOL is gonna suck the well dry.
    Squeeze every cent he can off TAs name.
    RE-INVESTIGATE the case with the Hughes as the intruders or someone on their behalf and the puzzle will come together.
    Motives-
    Tieing SH to a tree literally
    Money- if this wasn’t obvious before…its so much obvious today..
    Child Molestation

    • Are you kidding me? A charity in TA’s name? That’s a fucking despicable idea. What is the money they raise going to go toward, attorneys to free convicted pedophiles and woman-beaters?

    • there will come a day when they wont have a church or clothes or shoes walking in the snow. its like one day you are on top and next thing you are down that is what like does to us all

    • my bureau friend told me today that at first he thought that she was guilty as hell…and now that he has had time to read through a lot of stuff…he feels that she was set up…and set up by who…he is pondering on that bit…he said that he feels that the gun shot did go off as she said…but the knife wounds…he said there was no way in hell that she did any of that…

      my friend is an expert…so we’ll see what continues to unfold in this perplexing case…and the Hughes….they are the ones literally “screaming the loudest” “staying on tv the most” “perjuring themselves over and over” “lie, lie and lie”…those are the people that have SOMETHING TO HIDE…they are the ones that the FBI should be investigating…

      • truth, i agree with your friend about the gun/knife scenario. I believe the knife incident wasn’t inflicted by Jodi. Some call me loony, but I can only say it’s my intuition.

  182. Is it really that much a stretch to believe that someone who would say “you sound like a 12-year-old girl having her first orgasm” would also be looking at child pornography? I mean, clearly, TA had fantasies about children, so I don’t get why Jodi walking on in TA jacking off to pictures of underage boys is such an unbelievable scenario for some people. Fuck I HATE pedophiles!

    • lets go back to May 28th 2008 when Travis is ranting like crazy at Jodi what did she do I think she told the Hughes he was masturbating to a picture of one of their boys. need I say anymore.

      • Tonya,

        I agree! The fact that Travis felt like Jodi “betrayed” him made me think she spilled the beans about the pic he was masterbating to.

  183. Surlips I wanted to let you know that the incident from the other day took a different turn yesterday. My fiancé was outside and the man that was beating his girlfriend that my fiancé pulled the gun on so he would get his hands off her…well the man came over and apologized to my fiancé for him having to take matters into his own hands. The man said he was ashamed for what he did and was greatful that my fiancé stepped in. I guess this man just got out of prison and was having a hard time adjusting to life and they had been arguing. I thought it was a good thing that he saw the errors of his ways and wanted to change. My fiancé gave him some numbers to counseling and then gave him his number in case he ever just needed to talk or get away for a little while to cool down….I hope that he stands by his word and doesn’t hurt his girlfriend again but I guess only time will tell!!

  185. Apparently, Jean Casarez reported that, when the jurors left the court, they were very stern, unlike their previous dispositions. In fact, she thinks they may be at odds over this verdict.

    Poor HLN. Poor Haters. It just doesn’t look like first degree murder will be the ultimate verdict after all. Can I say “TOLD YOU SO!”?

    • AA, if she gets M2 (or even manslaughter,) can she appeal, and what would be her chances to overturn it?

      • viri, I’m obviously not AA here, but I would say that she could appeal, but that it wouldn’t make much sense to do so. I’m praying for acquittal, but realistically thinking manslaughter will probably come down. However, in that event, she may still have very little if no time left to be served. Fervently praying for a good outcome for Jodi.

        • Apparently Katie Dipstick thinks that the jurors looked “OMG HAPPY!” She is such a moron. I didn’t like Dr. Drew before and I like him even less now for giving that airhead a forum to speak on.

      • She can appeal, but I don’t think it would be an automatic appeal like it will be if she gets an M1 conviction.

      • Thanks SD, Kira. Yes, manslaughter if she can get out asap. But M2 would be dreadful, so many years wasted, an innocent young woman.

    • And the haters are all mad at her for saying that. She is disrespecting the family saying that, and now she is in Wilmott’s camp! They are going to implode soon!

    • it`s gonna be the best i told you so ever! i hope you are doing a bit better aa. no doubt those ahem-ladies at work would give me panic attacks too. keep calm and think of the look jodis face when the verdict is read. and than juans……..chippers me up every time!

  186. This may sound weird but in reality the more ppl watch hln now the better.. think of it as a stock. There ratings are sky high right now with there scamming bs of the trial. Therefore they will unfortunately get a ton of advertisers. Then when this trial ends there ratings will fall, and fall hard! Then these advertisers will freak, pull the plug, all jump ship and they will be screwed. That’s how television marketing works. Having more viewers and high ratings during this trial will bite them. As much as I can’t stand dr. Drew. I bet after a month he’ll say fuck this I’m going back to vh1. Tell lose everything. You can go from the top of a mountain to the bottom in a short time without going splat!!!

    • Nancy Grace, Dr. Drew and all of their cohorts will stay on that network until someone pulls the plug, shuts them down, they get fired, they die of natural causes, or one decides to quit or retire…

      Perhaps it’s just all about making money…the higher the ratings…their network makes more money which ultimately pads back into their bank accounts with raise in pay and bonuses…

      They are in the league with other entertainment television shows now…their own personal biased outlandish opinions about any topic from “A” to “Z” is a product that is currently selling to the public by keeping their followers tuned into their networks…Each and everyone of them is like little game pieces…each sniffing around in the dirt for their next “Big Breaking Moment”…

      It’s not about being a professional anymore…Most of them come on as being very unprofessional on that network…

      Have you noticed that this website has more intelligent professionals than all of HLN cohorts combined???

      • Not that I’m so old (a child of the 60’s) – but I remember the days of Walter Cronkite – the days when you felt as if you could believe what was being reported. The days when you felt journalists had ethics. These clowns are not journalists by any stretch of the imagination and if I’m correct most of those they have on are prosecutors who for one reason or another are no longer prosecutors. They make a mockery of our legal system and they should all be ashamed. Geraldo seems to be the only one with ethics.

      • and whats sad is right now, in TV is what they call sweeps, throughout the month of May, so actually HLN would really love it if this verdict drags out until the end of the month and what is even sadder the ratings they are getting this month will go into the Nielson books very high and keep the num nuts on the air for even longer. If you watch, you are not giving them ratings, they only get that from Nielson families but I can only take so much of them, I try to watch on occasion looking for the one or two supporters that go on there to see what they say about this or that but its hard, Nancy though, I cannot stomach her AT ALL

  187. Their rating will stay high, after this is over, it is just a matter of days before the Zimmerman trial begins. They are going to cover that trial in it’s entirety too.

    • anna go back up added more we talked about and the team seems fine with it other wise they would say no

    • See I disagree. They will cover the Zimmerman trial too. But unfortunately due to the race card every other network will too. I’m on the east coast. For instance even during this trial fox news here has covered the Zimmerman trial as much as this trial and the Zimmerman trial isn’t even on! I rarely saw trial videos from this case on fox news or local networks but I guarantee ull see ones from Zimmerman. Plus the fact Zimmerman is on the east coast. Won’t have 3 hours of delay.

      • Plus let’s remember stepping back this trial has included sex, profanity, brutal killing, etc. Most networks don’t wanna be apart of this. If fox news slipped like hln did so many times letting viewers hear the things they did 300 times more people would have heard it. At least a million more kids woulda heard those things. They woulda been scolded! Zimmerman is even though unfortunately and I personally don’t agree is about race. More networks will be forced to cover it. Remember (u may not agree politically with me) but even our stupid ass president, and members of congress cuz its a political case have commented on the Zimmerman trial.. they have never said a word about this one.

        • What I meant about HLN and the Zimmerman trial, is that they will cover the entire proceedings, not just certain aspects of it, or discuss parts of it. As far as it being a political case, it isn’t political. The only reason the president commented on it, was because he was asked, and he answered, “If I had a son, he would look like Trayvon Martin”. He also added that he didn’t want to make any other statements about it to impair the ongoing investigation.He said nothing wrong at all. I also do not think we have a “stupid ass president”.

          • I agree, and I don’t think it’s respectful to call the President a “stupid ass,” even if you don’t care for his politics.

          • I don’t think he’s stupid either. I just personally don’t agree with the things he does. Covering up things, not calling things what they are, etc. I’m actually not a r or a d. I just don’t like the way he handles things. But I do think the Zimmerman case is going to be political. It is all about a law. Stay your ground and with all the travesties lately with guns. It only makes that case more political.. This case isn’t.

            But Anna I must say its good to be on a site we can have a discussion like this and respect each other. That shows how different we are then those Taliban sites.

            Much love Anna!!

            • Meant stand your ground.. and I was being emotional when I said he was stupid. My cousin was injured in the Boston bombing and I would be lieing if I said I wasn’t upset that the president not calling it a terrorist attack and treating those brothers the same as let’s say Jodi giving them the same rights and not calling them enemy combatants really hurts me. That kid who bombed my cousin shouldn’t be treated like a real American citizen. He was not in me opinion!!

              • I’m sorry about your cousin – I hope that he wasn’t injured too severely :(.

                • Thank you Kira
                  He should hopefully be ok. He’s out of the hospital. Thank god he didn’t lose a limb but his leg had a ton of what we were told were bb pellets in it. They removed most of them but he will have to keep going back to make sure his leg doesn’t get infected from all of them. They had to leave some of them in cuz of where they were but hopefully shouldn’t cause a problem. That’s why he has to keep seeing the doctor,

        • I think the Zimmerman case IS about race. If Zimmerman had seen a young white man walking along the houses avoiding the rain he would not have assumed that Trayon was a thief, but perhaps just avoiding the rain. And if Zimmerman had been black Trayon would not have assumed Zimmerman thought of him as a thief and get insulted and angry. There was total mistrust and quick anger on both sides due to race.

  188. Like the judge just said on HLN(i know i know, i shouldn’t be watching those lunatics) NO WAY this jury is not going home and watching this every waking hour. For this reason alone Jodi has not received a fair trial..and for that reason alone they should find her not guilty.

    • lilly….there are a few things they say that can be taken as truthful…it’s when they start their spin and twisting of that truth that makes it not truthful anymore…LOL…

  189. I don’t think the jury starting an hour late tomorrow means they have a verdict. They have been deliberating for over 6 hours. They must be exhausted. Maybe they just needed rest.

    • I agree, Nk. It’s so tempting for all of us to read into every little thing that occurs or doesn’t occur during jury deliberations. I am one of the most impatient people in the world!

  190. Does Joey Jackoffs voice grate on you almost as much as the other clowns of HLN? I swear that grinning, nasally-voiced, idiot must have four sets of teeth in his joker from the Batman-looking mouth! Damn! Even sharks would be afraid of him biting them!

    • I told my son the other night that it’s his never-ending big toothed smile that leaves me feeling uneasy!

    • What disgusts me the most is that he’s supposed to be a defense attorney. (But I guess he took that hat off early on and replaced it with the HLN-issued regulation dunce cap.

      • If I were a defendant in his state/jurisdiction, I would be hesitant to hire him after his obvious love of the prosecution in this case.

      • RB,
        Same with the rest of the defense attornies talking on there except Dwayne Cates.

    • yes, his voice grates, Nancys face annoys and Jane Velez, her bottom teeth bug

  191. OK think about this..if your deliberating and discussing the verdict and one the members mentions something not covered by trial but has been talked about in the media. Are the rest of them going to rat that person out? On the other hand if some jurors have been lieing about not watching or reading anything about the trial, they have their own dirty little secret.

    • I think if jury is contaminated it will come out after the trial and a new trial will be in order

  192. Once the trial is over, I wonder how much “evidence” ( emails, texts, im’s , journals etc ) might be realeased in their entirety without edit, or narration ( the Hughes emails to travis that weren’t totally out there). Not that I don’t already have my mind made up, but I want to read all this shit, because I know it proves further, what the situation really was, not what TA’s “friends” claim it was.

    • I want to know what Travis was saying when he told her she betrayed him…..why wasn’t that elaborated on in court…..

      • That is a good question. The only one who can answer that is Jodi and perhaps her lawyers. TA was “drama king” he’d get mad over the slighest infraction…who knows..

      • I think she told the bishop about little boy pic or sex. She did call the bishop to find out what was happening after they called to tell her they found him. I’m not Mormon but I am religious … I don’t know many who would call the church other than to make funeral arrangements or for council after someone dies. Not for confirmation or information involving cause of death etc.

        • Hum..It very well could be the second infraction Nurmi was talking about. Was there a reply from Jodi…something about calling her lawyer on Monday?

      • What was that he said about the wrath upon Jodi?
        What an asshole!
        That WAS a threat!

  193. It’s like HLN and their cohorts are all playing a game of “Life Chess”…they keep going around looking for that one king, one queen, two rooks, two knights, two bishops, and eight pawns…

    Doesn’t this sound familiar…HLN and their cohorts use those pieces to attack and capture the opponent’s pieces, with the objective to ‘checkmate’ the opponent’s king by placing it under an inescapable threat of capture…

    Such a shame that trials like Casey Anthony and Jodi Arias have come down to live entertainment on television played as a “Life Chess” game…

    And many times I have compared Jodi Arias trial with “Hunger Games”…so much in common too…

    • Folks on HLN commenting about the age of the 4 women jurors as being middle aged to older. I would fall into that age group, at 56, and I if I were on the jury, I would vote for her acquittal. However, to avoid a hung jury, I would compromise to manslaughter. People shouldn’t jump to the conclusion that people of our generation would necessarily jump to M-1.

      • I tend to think that having jurors with more life experience would be a great plus for Jodi, male or female. =)

        • Sil, it could go either way, really, with people of our generation. You just never know. But not all of us old folks would vote for death….that much I know is true. 🙂

  194. I think there is potential fo a verdict but judge has a pre- trial hearing in the morning for a different case so there was no sense comIng in early. I think they are at odds because a compromise was made and the ones who wanted to convict on M1 left pissed but had no choice. If it was capital in anyway ( some felony some premed)?no reason to be pissed. m2 but most likely manslaughter will be verdict. Based on some juror questions i can not see a not guilty verdict nor do i think defense is expecting one hence the ” if you find her guilty of anything, it should be manslaughter” . Judge will give her 1/2 of the max( about 10 years) & she’ll be out in 2 after time served and good behavior are deducted out.

    • someone posted a few minutes ago that the judge has said last week that one of the jurors had an appointment on Tuesday, May 7th and that deliberations would start at 10 am that day…

    • I wonder about the judge…I think that she may sentence Jodi toward the higher end of the spectrum but maybe not the max. Even so, Jodi has nearly 5 years to her credit already.

  196. Scot Safon, executive vice president and general manager of HLN said that Jodi and Travis were interesting young people, in love theoretically, and it went bad…

    The Turner Broadcasting-owned HLN launched a new show called “HLN After Dark” devoted primarily to Jodi Arias Trial.

    Nancy Grace…main personality covered nothing but Jodi Arias…

    HLN has set up a mock stage and it seats mock jurors…

    Lifetime Movie Network has a movie in the making…

    Major networks like ABC and “Good Morning America” scored a major ratings during the trial by obtaining Arias’ diaries…

    https://www.dailyherald.com/article/20130506/news/705069902/

      • yes…1111angels…for the ones who have seen them and experienced their presence in their everyday lives…God Bless you…I have a close to death experience 4 different times since I was a baby…and I had many spiritual visits and I thank God everyday for them…

        • I found it! Yes I believe in angels too! I recently had a spiritual awakening and a few months ago I went to see Doreen Virtue. God bless you too 😉

  197. need to rest been sitting to long got the script to enlarge so i can see but need a sig and some tea now be back later praying for Jodi

  198. Someone posted on here earlier that in the meeting about trial dates someone said they had dr appointment on the 7th.

  199. I do believe it’s time for me to head to bed. I have been thinking about how they would have started deliberating. There is absolutely no solid evidence in premeditation. A gas can, maybe??? A stolen gun?? there is no solid evidence with any of that. I am almost certain it will be a lesser charge. I would love for it to be manslaughter or complete acquittal. The only thing that makes me kinda leary about acquittal is the slit throat. Think I will head to bed and get up ready for tomorrow. Hopefully we will not have to wait to much longer for the answers. Goodnight everyone 🙂

    • How are you going to interpret the slit throat if the medical examiner is tainted? The slit throat means nothing without an autopsy report to interpret the picture.

      Manslaughter is better than anything worse, but it would still prove the jury wasn’t doing its job.

      Acquittal is the ONLY acceptable verdict. It isn’t just the lack of evidence, but it also has to do with the tainted prosecution witnesses KH and EF.

      • Tonysam, every time you post, it makes me happy! Because and acquittal is what I want! No question. The State witnesses lied for the prosecutor and/so everything they said is fruit of the poisonous tree.

        They should acquit.

        • Manslaughter is better than M1 or 2 and certainly better than the DP, but I am merely looking at the PROPER verdict given what a mess the prosecution has made of this case.

  201. Dear Camera People,

    When the verdict is read, please face cameras on Nancy Grace, Chris & Sky Hughes, and Juan Martinez.
    These will be the most priceless reactions ever seen.

    Ty for your time.

    • I don’t. I don’t want to see Jodi live like Casey does. I’m hoping manslaughter. We all know she killed Travis and rightfully so. As much as it may pain all of us if she stays behind bars for another year the public will have forgotten by then and she can then live the normal life she deserves then. That’s just my opinion

      • ebugsy,

        I think when Jodi walks out of that jail, she’ll be in the same boat as Casey. =(

        HLN made sure of that.

        • Unlike Casey she has a means to make a living and afford security. I don’t see her hiding out.

          • Casey didn’t spend time in jail after her trial. That makes a big difference in the eyes of the public. I truly believe if Jodi gets manslaughter and stays in jail for another year or two that when she gets out the public will have moved on.

  203. I hope the jury decides on Aquittal.I would hate that Jodi would have to carry a record around the rest of her life that would hold her back. I pray for Aquittal.

  204. The haters are really starting to panic, they can’t/won’t accept a verdict of anything other than M1. Some have even gone as far as saying if the jury doesn’t bring back a M1 verdict, they better run!!

    The deliberations going past today is really causing them anxiety. It’s kind of pathetic to watch their desperation.

    • I’ve heard how the jurors dress a good guage of when a verdict has been reach. I want someone on there to go down to the courthouse tomorrow morning and see if they can get a glimpse and tell us if they are dressed up. 🙂

        • apparently they left and looked stern, not their usual selvtes…if that actually means anything.

    • Hi again Meowington, love your name. Actually, tonight, I’m feeling rather feisty. I got an email from my boss today that pissed me off where she denied what I experienced was harassment regarding my disability. It was a “workplace discussion”. Kinda reminds me of Dr. Demented and her “unhealthy communication pattern” you know? I’m in the process of trying to write a response and taking breaks when I need to. I’m going to make a case out of this. I don’t even care if they fire me for it. I’m PISSED!

      I’m supposed to return to work on Wednesday, but the note from the ER yesterday recommends that another doctor determine whether or not I can return to work. So, I expect work to use that to refuse to allow me back, or something.

      I made an appointment to see a shrink tomorrow (a psychiatrist). My fiance is off and is going to take me. I don’t expect much, but the pictures of his office had a few Buddha statues, and that bode well with me. Maybe he’ll see how much stress this is all causing me and recommend some more time off.

      • I like meowington too lol (I’m Suzy) remember? Anyways I hope you’re able to get your medical needs taken care of. It’s unfortunate if your job uses it against you. Aren’t there policies/procedures that would protect you as an employee?

      • i`m glad you have the strength to be pissed and i hope you get your time off aa. i have been lurking a lot longer than posting and i really like you. i think of you often.

  206. Ugh Jodi needs to not tweet between now and verdict. Even if tweets or valid which they are but still isn’t helping her cause media wise

      • Something like…I didn’t want to go trial, it’s the prosecution fault, now here we are

        • This is her words from her twitter account ” I would have signed a plea years ago to avoid this disaster,but I was refused a plea as the state and the family refused to settel.”

          ” N. DisGrace has set back the cuase of all women who have survived domestic violence. Her cirus makes a mockery of something very serious”

          ” RE: commissary, many of the items I ddin’t receive were for idigent girls less fortunate than me, I , thankfuly, have a mini suplus of food.”

    • Screw the media! Why shouldn’t Jodi be able to express her thoughts through her friend? The trial is over. The poor girl is sitting on pins and needles waiting for a verdict. She has a right to speak. Her case in the media can’t get MUCH worse, no matter what she says. Look at what she’s trying to do for abuse victims with the t-shirts? She knows we’re out here and that we want to hear what she has to say. That’s who she’s talking to. Perhaps it’s to let us know a little of her side of the story.

      I say, tweet away, Jodi. I’m listening. You don’t owe me an explanation though. I know all about your plea offer. None of this is your fault, sweetie.

  207. no matter what Jodi is in for alot of struggles in life. Casey Anthony went free and she is so far in debt now, i fear that will also happen to Jodi. There is a difference though in the cases, Casey was accused of a crime that dealt with a child, and after following all of Casey’s trial, she was not the ideal defendant. While Casey was very cheerful and very opinionated, Jodi is very timid and meek during her trial. I find that admiring and something to be respected. Jodi will probably also go into witness protection which is sad, and what is even sadder is the site retaliating against this one. That guy feels like its okay to give the names of all her family members and any personal information he can find on them. Jodi is on trial, not her family.

    • Witness protection? I wouldn’t think she would be eligible for that, she was the defendant. Casey Anthony was not provided any protection from the authorities what so ever.

      I think HLN should pay for security for Jodi if she is acquitted, they are the ones who whipped up the lynch mob.

      • No, Jodi can’t go into witness protection. That’s usually for witnesses in federal trials who are granted immunity from prosecution and are at risked of being harmed by defendants. Like Mafia turncoats.

    • I’ll bet you if there is an acquittal, there will be some production company or someone/something like that that will put her up in a private place until things die down in exchange for the rights to make a rival movie.

        • I don’t know – I followed Casey’s trial and the same group of low-life haters are just as hell-bent on destroying Jodi. If she is acquitted, she’s not going to be able to walk down the street without being bothered. She’ll have to go somewhere and lay low for a while.

          Casey does not have family to help her like Jodi does, but her lawyers and their associates have all rallied around her.

      • Hmmm that would be interesting. That Lifetime movie sounds like a sack of shit to me.

        I do think Dr. Samuels, Alyce and Dr. Bob will help Jodi though. They are all EXTREMELY well connected and respected. Testifying for Jodi didn’t hurt them ONE bit — regardless of what the idiots say. And back when they started, helping DV victims was an underground railroad. They’d know how to make her disappear better than anyone.

  208. Jodi, we are hoping and praying that the jurors see the truth and that if you are convicted of anything that it be manslaughter with a sentence of the time you have already served! You didn’t deserve to be abused, and you don’t deserve to be in jail any longer! Know there are many who have been watching the trial who can see through the hype and who know that you were acting in self defense.

  209. oh lord you done went and got me on the tweets… do we have anything that says jodi has actually gave approval to this lady tweeting for her? There is no way Jodi is tweeting from jail. She has no access, so I would also have to say while she is communicating with others, conversations are recorded, if she is caught talking about the case, bad bad stuff. So since the judge has never stated that she was doing anything of the sort or reprimanding her for it, i think this donovan person is just a supporter not realizing she is doing damage. I dont even look at the tweets from that page because there is no way the information coming from it is real till i see some truth

  210. Quick poll of our members, choose one per category:

    Sex: M / F

    Age: Under 20 / 20-30 / 30-40 / 40-50 / Over 50

    Education: Didn’t graduate high school / high school graduate / college graduate / post-graduate studies

    Employment Status: Currently Employed / Self-Employed / Unemployed / Stay-at-home-parent / Disabled / Retired

    I’d love to run this poll on the hater sites and compare!

    • Me:

      Sex: F

      Age: 40-50

      Education: Post-graduate studies

      Employment Status: Currently Employed

    • Sex: F

      Age: over 50

      Education: Post-graduate studies

      Employment Status: Retired

    • Sex: M

      Age: 20-30

      Education: college graduate, going for a second degree

      Employment: self-employed

    • Sex – F

      Age – Over 50

      Education – College Graduate

      Employement – Self-Employed

    • sex: F
      age: 38
      education:high school, some college
      employment: full time parent

    • Sex: M / F

      30-40

      High school graduate, some college, through junior year

      Stay-at-home-parent

    • Sex: F
      Age: 23
      Education: Currently in a graduate program
      Employment: GA (graduate assistant); gaining hours of experience in my field (requirement)

      Status: Not an expert by any means! 😛 Just gaining hours of experience.

    • Sex : F
      Age: 40-50
      Education: Post Grad Studies
      Employment: Self-employeed

    • Sex: F

      Age: 40

      Education: College Graduate

      Employment Status: Self-Employed

    • Sex: M Age: 58 Education: college graduate (architectural engineering major/ fine arts minor ) Employment: Self-employed

  212. Hello everybody. I started my new job and have been catching up on the posts at night (1:00 am here)/

    Special shout out to:

    SJ – Can’t say enough about providing a site for all of Team Jodi
    Maria, Trixels, Cindy, Sirlips, MB, Also Abused, BeeCee, Al, Tonysam, FUJuan, and
    Dorothy – I can’t wait to hear your appreciation for Nurmi’s attire when Team Jodi enjoys the victory. I find myself looking at men’s socks now….lol.

    I’ve enjoyed posting with all of you. I will continue to catch up in the wee hours.

  213. Hi Tonia, thanks for your kind words from earlier, I appreciate your warmness,
    I just recently got out of (and hopefully my last) abusive relationship, didn’t see it coming for all the sweet talking and putting me on a pedestal, but it wasn’t long that he showed his true colors and I quickly got out. It was very hard to get him out of my head, but my newfound social networking helped and also reading all the comments here as well. It doesn’t take much to get suckered in by someone and it’s SO hard to get them out of your hair! I do think there is so much more to Jodi’s story and what happened than we a realize and maybe one day we’ll find out, she’s an incredibly strong young woman and we will all be victorious and the Travitians will eventually all self combust. Late here, good night everybody and FTW. Jody!

    • Aww Patty sorry to hear that, but a lot of us have been in those relationships before and I’ve also learned a lot from reading comments here and watching ALV. Hugs to you and good night…FTW too lol

    • Patty, may I say congratulations! You took the FIRST step getting out and I know, I know, I know, that’s the hardest one of all. I know it’s soooo very difficult at first. If you weren’t married and didn’t have kids with him or own property together, at least that’s one hurdle you won’t have to cross. It’s been 26 months for me now. I don’t think about him at all. I still have some nightmares but I rarely remember them. Occasionally, I send a hate vibe out into the universe that he took all my money. Other than that, he’s quickly becoming a bad memory. People say it gets even better than this and I believe them.

      I’m very very very proud of you right now. You are amazing! When you’re ready, if you want it, an amazing guy will find you. Not that having a guy is everything. We are fine alone. But if you want someone else, trust me, nice guys are still out there. If you would ever like to chat or need a friend, feel free to ask SJ for my email address. Blessings and hugs!

  214. I’m off to bed. I need my beauty rest. Hope all if you have a good night. Lets pray for Jodi and the jury to make the right decision. I’m also going to pray for Arias and Alexander family because both families need it in many ways. Good night! 😉

  215. Ignore if this is old, Gus Searcy on Radar online says he’s getting death threats and Jodi’s friends were afraid to testify.

    • I’m not surprised. I know that Gus is a PPL weirdo but at least he was one of the few people who was willing to stand up for Jodi and say that the prosecution’s shit wasn’t right.

  216. Sex:F
    Age: 50+
    Education: Completed post-graduate studies
    Employment: Full-Time

  218. Mary Louise‏@noWARneverEVER2m
    Damn! there R some hateful, anger filled ppl on Twitter #jodiarias I mean these ppl are scary.pent up anger who can’t wait till she is dead

    Linda Kenney Baden‏@kenneybaden12m
    R u convinced #Jodiarias is tweeting through her friend? I am not yet convinced. Is this a #Gullible test by someone using jodiannarias?

    Sam‏@SamDera14m
    I’ve been watching the Jodi Arias trial & it makes me paranoid. I have no contact with my ex but you never know. Basically been 2 years

  219. MaryEllen Resendez‏@maryellenabc151m
    @PawelNYC Deputies say Atty’s can visit #jodiarias as she waits for verdict. But not family.

    • Oh my! That’s horrible. I feel sooooo bad for her. She needs family support now more than EVER. Remind me never even to fly into AZ. What a messed up state.

  220. ❤ ♥‏@MissHappeePants47s
    @SummerSue623 Every single 1 of Travis’ “friends” are straight up friggin WHACK JOBS. How are they not embarrassed of themselves? #JodiArias

    ♥ ❤ ♥‏@MissHappeePants3m
    @SummerSue623 @NancyGraceHLN Nancy, COME ON. Even YOU are smart enough to know Michael Hughes is a liar. Give me a break. #JodiArias

    This chick has some serious issues, and says some of the most digusting things about Jodi and her family. CHRIS Stark you should be ashamed of yourself…. you are worse than N G.

  221. ((((((Group Hug)))) to all Jodi supporters.

    My thoughts and prayers are with Jodi as we wait for the verdict. I know this has given me anxiety so I cannot even begin to imagine how she must feel.

  222. Dear Juan Martinez,

    I tried to kill him get me next.

    I was sitting at home and low and behold I got a phone call from an ex to come back and see him. I did make many stops on my trip to get back to him. He did invite me but knowing it could end up volatile i went anyway.

    On a strenuous day that he disagreed on something i spoke about, i decided to take his pain medication and crush up about 15 pills and then stuck them in a glass of kool-aid then microwave the beverage so that he would not know they were there. Once they dissolved, my plan was to put ice in the kool-aid and serve him to either a. kill him (yay) b. knock him out.
    Fortunately for this kind young hard working man, he did not have to drink my kool-aid, in my Jim Jones attempt of mass murdering him.

    I do understand this is not the same case that you are trying atm, but I somewhat feel a sense of “sameness”. Some events are exaggerated but Im sure you can relate to it.

    I got the phone call after 3 months of leaving him after he kicked me in the back and put me in a cripple walk for almost 2 of those months. I made many stops on the way back to see him because well, i took the greyhound bus line, and to get to my destination, i had to to. I still to this day carry 2 gas cans in my car because i run out of gas multiple times in a month.

    Now why did I go back? How the fuck do i know? I went back because. Sometimes the 2 seconds of kindness? Fuck I dont know. Does that matter? I went back.

    So when I decided to make the Jim Jones Kool-aid, only began when his threats of shutting me the fuck up while i said nothing, of course he was working so hard at 2 jobs all this time, he only just called in every other day to each job and got fired and got 2 new jobs right after. I wish i could remember the words he recited as he made me want to end his rampage.

    I cant though, but I think there is a case here. Except. There isn’t one because there was no crime committed.

    JUSTICE FOR JODI

    • Powerful amazing and awesome Chrysz. I’m soooo sorry. I feel your pain.

  223. This evening a friend I have know for a few years was very upset. She had gotten another dog yesterday, and it was so adorable. She told me her boyfriend was very angry about the new dog & had hit her & verbally abused her. I had no idea until today that he could be abusive to her, so there you go – we had talked over the last few years about so many personal things & complained about our boyfriends, and this had never come up before. I was so bummed – she just backed down tonite & gave the dog back to the rescue; she wouldn’t even try to stand up to him. I tried to get her to come over to my house & leave him guessing for a nite, but she was too afraid & headed home. I’m a little in shock & very sad for that sweet new dog & for her current one that really needed a companion when at home alone.

    • I’m so sorry, Seek2Understand. No one ever knows because we never never tell. And I will tell you this, now that you know he’s abusive, your friend will avoid you … until the next instance. Then, she will reach out to you again. But just as soon as you think you’ve made a point, she will run back to him and tell you he’s the greatest guy in the world. One of THE most frustrating things I’ve ever dealt with in my life is other abused women still in the relationship. I now understand one of the reasons I lost all my friends. Abused women lie, lie, lie. They say c’mere, c’mere, c’mere, go away, go away, go away. In a crisis, they tell you ALL the reasons they can’t leave. When you solve those problems, they come up with some other reasons. And BAM, as soon as you figure all of that out, he’s the perfect boyfriend/husband again and they’re soooo upset because his boss yelled at him or the neighbour looked at him sideways or some other such stuff. I have often physically vomited when I’ve heard them tell me what good guys they are married to. “Good guys” who shoved them into the refrigerator just a few days beforehand. “Good guys” who held them under water in the pool because they looked at them wrong. “Good guys” who went out and slept with other women and didn’t even try to hide it. Good, my ass.

      I had one friend I talked to a lot during my marriage. She knew the most about how problematic the marriage was, but I never told her about the physical abuse. At one point after I left, when she admitted knowing there were a LOT of problems in my marriage, I became angry with her that she hadn’t told me straight up, something is really really wrong. She told me that I’d be angry and frustrated with him and she’d worry and try to be there to support me. Then, I’d disappear for a few days and suddenly, when we next talked, he was the perfect husband. I didn’t really believe I was like that, until I started talking to other women in abusive relationships.

      It’s a struggle, but I try to just be there for the women I know that are being abused. I know they won’t leave until they’re ready. I know that no matter what I say, no matter how many times I offer them a room, they won’t make that move until they want to, and really want to. To be honest, I’m not sure I would have even though I was trying to leave and saying I would. But my house was built on sand and one word from him would have changed my mind. Then, it came down to a very simple equation. I had a choice: call the cops or let him kill me. My self-preservation instinct kicked in. Once he was arrested and I got an order of protection, it was out of my hands. I wasn’t strong. I wasn’t brave. I just tried to put one foot in front of the other.

      All you can do for your friend is to be there when she needs to talk. And sad as I am to say it, perhaps that dog is better off in a place where maybe he/she will get another good home. Someday, perhaps your sweet friend can have a dog again. Someday when she’s ready. Let’s just hope she doesn’t marry him and/or have his kids.

      I’m sorry, for you, your friend, and the doggie.

      • Thanks for your advice, AA. At least they are both long past having kids. She won’t leave him, but I just wanted her to get something she wanted, like this new dog.

        You and a lot of the women here have taught me a lot about relating to other women better. I’m kind of a nerd-girl, and even though I care, I would sometimes not know how to help. Most of you gals here know what to say & how to say it when another gal, or guy for that matter, needs support. I’ll try to take what I’ve learned here out into the world. 🙂

  224. After studying the eye reflection pics, I believe Jodi’s version of the masked intruders. And there were more than 2 of them! I believe Jodi 100%. The huge problem here is that Flores and the cult/sect buddies had already decided to implicate Jodi.

    Now, we have to DO something about it and save our Jodi.

  225. Wow, just looking at the preliminary results of that poll shows there are a WHOLE LOTTA women here who support Jodi! I guess that knocks that one out (the myth that mostly women hate Jodi).

    I also noticed that a lot of the women who responded thus far are educated, employed or retired (meaning they were employed) or disabled/stay-at-home-parents who would be employed in other circumstances. (I put “post-grad studies” to generalize rather than “post-grad degree”, by the way, as I knew some are in post-grad programs.) Is that the difference between us and “them”? We got some education and we are now, have been, or could be employed?

    I get the feeling whenever I’ve peeked over “there” that we’re not dealing with women who are educated and/or employed. I’ve often had to read their sentences 10 times just to figure out the gist (and sometimes, even then, scratch my head). Whereas, here, even when people post on their phones and/or abbreviate to text language, the posts still make sense to me.

    • haha, well there are quite a few women who support Jodi, but a majority of the people who hate Jodi are female :/

      The women on this site are … well unique, open-minded, non-judgmental … maybe that makes a difference !

    • Alternatively, I read this thing about Justin Beiber and Lady Gaga having fake followers on Twitter. Some computer generated thing, fake accounts. Perhaps all those haters are a computer generated program propagated by HLN to increase their ratings and make them feel relevant.

      • Hi, SJ – Can you remove this? MB got me thinking, I don’t need so much info out there in the cloud that includes those haters. Thx, s2u

    • Hey AA, I’m a tad paranoid considering the threats we’ve been getting.

      SJ once mentioned that the majority of hate mail he gets is from dudes. JC has let me read a few and boy howdy, they make me look like Mother Theresa!! That’s saying something!! LOL

  226. http://www.utahlegalshield.com/ just a little something I found tonight, thought it would help pass the time while waiting…being we are on the subject of CH and SH..

    http://www.utahlegalshield.com/state-leadership then we have the whole freaking bunch all on one page Even includes the friend Leslie U who testified as JA’s friend. Seems RB has a wife now and is CH’s new fav..The H family even moved to Utah..and lets not forget D Hall & family

    There also seems to be some connection with Jacob M, the pros rebuttal guy and Leslie U/PPL I think he may be under her or something to that effect havent figured that one out yet

    What a load of crap..birds of a feather will flock together…sad

    • Mormon Conspiracy . . their figures in late 1990s were around 15 billion, currently 60 billion, Utah is their first sole country

  227. I’ll say this real quick, then I have to go to bed – finals tomorrow.

    When I first heard of the trail, I thought she was guilty. I didn’t watch much of the trial until Jodi got on the stand. After the first day or so, I started to like her. Not from what other people (HLN) had said, but I kind of felt like I got to know her while she was talking about her life. After a few days, I couldn’t stand to watch HLN bad mouth her like they did/do, especially that Dr. Douche. Anyway, I started looking for other sources of information about the case when I stumbled on you fine people. So, in a way, HLN helped. I just hope maybe there are more people out there like me. People who have gotten tired of HLN’s crap and started to look for the truth on their own.

    • Oy… I have had MANY colorful rants about Dr Drew. I always keep coming back to that “first do no harm.” I think he forgot it when he signed up for his twentieth television show!!

      • I can’t even remember the comment he made, but he grossed me out. I thought: aren’t you a doctor? Shouldn’t you want to help her if you think she’s guilty? I really hope he’s not treating patients. For a psychologist to pass judgementon anyone who has been through a horrible nightmare, and publicly degrade them publicly, should be grounds to have his license pulled.

  230. OMG guys, this is heartbreaking — Jodi’s Mum’s letter to the judge when Nurmi was trying to withdraw.

    http://twitdoc.com/upload/zou2/ja-letter-from-jodi-mom-to-judge-re-nurmi-motion-to-withdraw.pdf

    “Kirk has a lifetime to start a new practice where Jodi only has a few months that will determine whether she has a life at all.”

    “Jodi’s father’s health is not good. He is a dialysis patient, went through treatment for lymphoma, and just had open heart surgery. I work two jobs to keep up with our bills.”

    “Jodi has been an exemplary inmate for the entire time she has served in jail. She has been able to help others with various things such as her singing for them, writing poems, doing drawings for them and also helping with reading and writing.”

    I’m in tears.

  231. Oh boy, you just can’t tell:

    “Casey Anthony was acquitted of first-degree murder in the death of her two-year-old daughter, Caylee. The jury deliberated ten hours and 40 minutes.

    In 1995, O.J. Simpson was acquitted of two counts of murder in the deaths of his wife, Nicole Brown Simpson and her friend Ronald Goldman. Jurors deliberated for less than four hours.

    Jurors from the second Phil Spector trial deliberated for 30 hours and convicted him of second-degree murder in the death of Lana Clarkson.

    After 35 hours of deliberations, stretched out over nine days, jurors acquitted Robert Blake of first-degree murder in his wife’s death.

    Scott Peterson was convicted of first-degree and second-degree murder for killing his wife and their unborn child. The jury deliberated for seven days.

    After four days of deliberations, the Menendez brothers were convicted of two counts of first-degree murder for killing their parents.

    Steven Hayes was convicted of capital murder in the deaths of three members of the Petit family. The jury deliberated four hours.”

    • Both Phil Spector and the Menendez brothers got convicted on the second go-around. Their first trials were hung. I just watched a movie about the Menendez brothers and the jury arguments apparently got pretty heated during the first trial. They were deadlocked.

  233. Okay, I have to go to bed, but just saw this and thought it was interesting, even though it’s from Haters Liars Network. So we lost some note takers and two jurors who submitted questions. We kept some other note takers and only one other juror who was observed submitting questions.

    Opinions, good/bad???

    Juror 1

    White Female, in her 60s
    Short dark hair, wears glasses
    Sat closest to the witness stand
    Did not look at Arias during her testimony
    Yawned during an emotional part of Arias’ testimony

    Juror 2

    White Male, in his 50s
    Salt and pepper hair
    Took a few notes
    Cupped his head in his hand as he listened to testimony

    Juror 3

    White Female, in her 40s
    Brunette with bangs
    Took a lot of notes
    Watched the prosecutor as he moves about the courtroom
    Observed submitting questions

    Juror 4

    White Male, in his 60s
    Bald
    Took a few notes

    Juror 6

    White female, in her 60s
    Hair is cut short brown with blonde streaks
    Was a prolific note taker

    Juror 7

    White male, in his 30s
    Married
    Dark brown hair
    Took some notes
    He is a nail biter

    Juror 9

    White male, in his 60’s
    Long white hair is worn in a ponytail
    Wore denim most days
    Sat at the end of the jury box furthest from the witness
    Sat closest to the first row of the gallery where Alexander’s family sits

    Juror 12

    White Male, in his 40’s
    Receding brown hair
    Favors polo shirts and khakis
    Occasionally took notes

    Juror 13

    White Male, is late 20s to early 30s
    Appears to be the youngest member of the jury
    Took only a few notes
    Smiled when Martinez asked Arias if she could predict the future

    Juror 14

    White Male, in his early 60s
    Balding, and wears glasses
    He swiveled in his chair often
    Smokes cigarettes (My note: So he’s the one who may have seen JM signing autographs, etc.)
    Did not appear to take notes

    Juror 16

    White female, in her 40s
    Dark reddish brown hair with bangs
    Wears glasses
    Took notes
    Swiveled in her chair in direction of Arias during her testimony

    Juror 18

    White Male, in his 70s
    Married
    Possibly former military
    Has a tattoo on right arm above the wrist
    Only took a few notes

    ALTERNATES:

    Juror 10

    White female, in her 40s
    Sat in the second row next to a column
    Occasionally took notes
    Her Gaze wandered over the gallery during sidebar

    Juror 15

    White male, in his late 60s/early 70s
    Wears audio-enhancing headsets provided by the court
    Took notes
    Observed submitting questions

    Juror 17

    White Female, in her 30s
    Married
    Prolific note taker
    Appears to suffer from a cold or allergies
    Sat in one of the most distant seats from the witness stand
    Did not gaze at Arias during her testimony and tended to look straight ahead or down at her notes
    Observed submitting questions

  234. Hi all, I just wanted to post something quick. If it seems like I’m distant the past few days or weeks, I do apologize. I’ve been exhausted for weeks, and for the most part I never thought about whether the past four months have taken a toll on me, but I think they have. It doesn’t help that I have health problems so I have been working and running myself ragged and worrying about this trial, where America is going (looks like down the shitter) and thinking of course about Jodi, her family, her friends and all of you. Even if I don’t post, I keep you all in my thoughts and hope everyone is staying safe.

    It doesn’t help that the Travis Taliban are always up to their bullshit. I wonder what in the world keeps them going, and then I remember how much they hate Jodi or any woman that dares not lay down and die after being abused; then I have my answer. But overall, I’m tired of their crap, I have been for a while. I only post here, and read only very few other places. So when I say that this is my social networking, I mean it in the most literal way. I refuse to subject myself to the abuse and bullshit elsewhere on the Internet. This feels like the only safe place.

    So, it’s preposterous that they have accused us of trolling the Internet. How so? Because we log online and talk to each other and *gasp* express our opinions? OMG give me a break. I don’t encourage anyone to visit hater sites, I never have and I never will. I won’t touch those places even with a ten foot proxy, and that’s saying something. Other people have chosen to go and comment, well that’s their business.

    I have to be honest: That Cate Ellington idiot has really gotten on my nerves. Just google her name in quotes and you’ll find her posts. You can’t miss her – she’s literally *everywhere*. She was even at Vlad’s page whining about us to him, like he had any say over what our opinions are. Anyway, if you thought my posts were weird or a little crazy, go check this lady out. No seriously! She’s got me beat by miles. I thought I was getting emotional over this trial, she is out pushing her batcrap crazy viewpoints on every web site that’ll let her post. I mean my god. What level of control issues she must have, to argue *each* and *every* point, on *each* and *every* web site silly enough to approve her comments; no matter how many times she’s been proven wrong. What madness!

    I really thought twice about whether or not to vent about her, because I don’t want to make her more famous or give her ideas a platform; but since she’s already everywhere anyway, trying to ride on the notoriety of any popular web site to make herself famous. She’s even posted to Anonymous asking them to hack our site because she disagrees with us. I mean really! My fucking god the woman appears to be in her sixties and is either so immature or imbalanced that she can’t tolerate anyone else in the world not kowtowing to HER ideological bullshit. It’d be funny if it weren’t so pitiful.

    I guess if I had a point to make it would be this: Cate Ellington, wherever you are, you are not the sheriff of the Internet. You do not get to decide what people think, how people feel, what they are going to say and how they are going to say it on someone else’s private site. Someone needs to put your god complex in check. Who do you think you are to decide who gets to speak their mind and who does not? Nobody here has EVER even once tried to stop the pro prossies from posting at their dorky little web sites, why try to take down the ONE web site that presents a minority viewpoint? Wow, how fucking BRAVE you must feel, to try to silence .0001% of the internet; and to harass anyone and everyone by whining to them about what we think. We don’t want to hear it, so why would they?

    But I’ll be clear – this doesn’t just have to apply to Cate Ellington, it’s about any Travis Taliban asshole who thinks they have a right to have a say on a web site that was never theirs. It’s about anyone who believes that Anonymous is so stupid, that they would interfere with the free speech of people who are posting their opinions at a site they are welcome to. Anonymous is eyeing North Korea for their censoring the Internet in their country, why would they censor anything HERE? Especially if it’s a full blown circus, which this trial is. Get real people!!!

    Anyway, if you’ve gotten this far, thanks for reading as I just really needed to vent. I just want everyone to know how much I appreciate all the posters who have stood against abuse and stood with Jodi in support no matter how hard it’s gotten. We’re all tired, we’re all pushing ourselves to see this through, and I couldn’t have a better set of people to do it with.

    ((((((((((((((((hugs)))))))))))))))))))

    You all are the best, and without you I would have lost my damn mind a long time ago. Thanks for being there and I look forward to reading your posts in the days to come.

    • MB! 🙁 Sorry you’ve been so stressed. Glad you haven’t lost your mind! Vent all you want! It really does help!

      Ignore the haters. They are going to continue posting only because judging others makes them feel so much better about their own mistakes! Unfortunately, bullies will be bullies! 🙁

      Feel better

      • Thanks Nk! Yes normally I do ignore the haters, but a couple of posts got me googling… which I shouldn’t have done considering how thin my sanity has been stretched. lol

        <3s to you!!!

        • <3 oh believe me, I know! I know!!

          I always know that I am going to regret reading anything HLN posts, but there were times when I clicked on a few articles just to see what nonsense they were spewing. My blood would always boil.

    • HEAR HEAR MB!

      I pretty much figured out that Cate person after going just a couple of rounds with her on Vlad’s site, a couple of months ago. She rambled on and on and on and made no sense at all. She actually kind of avoided me for a bit because I don’t think she could come up with a suitable response. Then, our own amazing Heather called her out on not saying a word about my abuse story while she was going on and on about “real abuse victims” — which was a classic post of our darling Heather’s. Heather put her in her place more than once. At that point, she gathered up her little posse of other bizarre weirdos and went bat shit crazy! I stopped even reading at that point. It just wasn’t worth my time or energy to even try to figure out what she was saying. I’d scratched my head raw trying to figure it out for much too long after one evening. It was all yadda, yadda, yadda.

      Hope you get some rest, sweetie, and know that we love you!

      • I love you too AA!! I always look forward to hearing from you, the few days you went MIA I was panicking at the disco again! I worry for you, and several others here who have posted about your circumstances. I can’t imagine how hard it’s been for you to deal with the things you’ve dealt with!!

        Wow, she gathered up a group of weirdos?? LOL Now why am I surprised at that? I only read a few handfuls of her posts, I didn’t want to fall down too far into her rabbit hole of crazy; but for some reason I didn’t anticipate her having groupies. Yeesh!!!

        • Oh don’t worry, MB, she only had 2 or maybe 3 in her groupie posse. And to be honest, I wondered if it wasn’t all her using different screen names. That’s how those weirdos do it. They were all verbose and nonsensical ranters, like herself.

          I remember the funniest part was some shit about how she was going to wait until the end of testimony to completely make up her mind, because that’s the right way, but Jodi killed Travis like an animal would slaughter its prey. It was one of those “whachu talkin’ bout there Wilbur?” (reference to an 80s TV show for you youngins.) Best not to fall into that rabbit hole, you might never be able to climb out. I hope Heather sees your post. She really had a field day with the crazy bat over that one. At one point, Heather left her speechless, and for that Cate nutjob, that’s really saying something.

            • I saw her on Pitchforks raving about Dr. Horn’s “incredibly damaging” testimony (this was before he came back on the stand and mentioned the “typo”). Yeah, his testimony was damaging all right…to the State!

    • It’ll be ok MB .. wrap yourself in a guardian blanket, rest your head, ease your thoughts for a while .. you’re weary. Find a sanctuary and feel safe for a while. Caring has it’s burdens but those burdens are gifts when put in right perspective . . some of us are given burdens . . to fix .. that everyone benefits from. We get jaded and think we will just quit but when the ball game starts, we jump onto the field, rip our sleeves off .. accept the challenge. Sometimes it’s fun, sometimes not . .finding balance is learned when we can separate emotional from cerebral then apply. Accept what you do as purpose and I believe everyone here cannot express how much you are appreciated. Everything’s gonna be a’ight…get some rest for yourself. There’s always gonna be some butts to save and kick, even your own, lol. Take care.

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  236. First time posting. Sick of HLN also. Can’t watch any longer. If Jodi had planned this murder, you would think she would have at least worn some type of gloves. She is very intelligent so she would have planned much cleaner crime. Hope she is found not guilty. Travis was an abusing bully. They got in a fight and he lost. Too bad.

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