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We Are Team Jodi and We Will Be Victorious. Here’s why…

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In the midst of a 4 day break before the trial circus resumes again, let’s take a closer look at exactly why we’re gonna be celebrating our victory a couple of weeks from now.

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To start things off, let’s look at a few basic legal facts:

In any court proceeding, the highest burden of proof  is proof “beyond a reasonable doubt.” When a person stands trial, the jury must therefore begin with the assumption that the accusations against the defendant are false.

The constitution requires the State to prove its accusations against the defendant. It is not necessary for the defendant to disprove anything. Nor is the defendant required to prove his or her innocence. It is up to the State to prove the defendant’s guilt by evidence.

A juror can only find in favor for the State at the end of the trial, providing the prosecution has erased all reasonable doubts about the defendant’s innocence from the juror’s mind.

So taking all that one step further… and putting the ridiculous burglary charge BS aside… it technically comes down to a charge of whether or not this was premeditated (i.e. pre-planned) 1st degree murder.

Contrary to the opinion of the clueless masses and non trial watchers, this is not a “Whodunit” trial – nor is it based on the color of Jodi’s hair… a Walmart receipt… a gas can… or on what someone might have said to someone else at some point. None of that matters.

In reality, it’s actually an overcharged self defense case, and a judicial farce to boot.

This is why there’ll be a Not Guilty verdict returned on the bullshit M1 charge.

You see, the jurors have to weigh up all the evidence – including the State’s LACK of evidence, and the obvious & accompanying lack of pre-meditation on Jodi’s part. And despite Martinez’ shambolic showboating escapades, the State has never even come close to proving their case beyond all reasonable doubt… not this week, not last week, not last month… and not at any other time either. Nor will they ever.

This quote (reproduced from an earlier post) sums it all up very well…

“As far as I am concerned, the only issue in the Jodi Arias trial is has the government proven premeditation. That of course, is important because if the government has not proven premeditation, they cannot convict her of murder in the first degree and thus the death penalty is off the table. And while the government has also alleged murder in the first degree by way of felony-murder, that allegation is so specious as not to even warrant a response.

The government has not proven premeditation, and in fact, could not do so under any circumstances. Without direct evidence, either a confession by Ms. Arias that she intended to kill Mr. Alexander, as in “I wanted to kill to him”, or an overt act such as hiring a hit man or waiting in wait in ambush, the government cannot prove premeditation beyond a reasonable doubt. Note that I am not saying she did not intend to kill him or that there is not very good reason to suspect that she intended to kill him, just that the government will not be able to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt. And that has been clear since day one. Someone asked me on twitter a question along the lines of “she lied so she doesn’t get the death penalty?”. My answer, yes, exactly right. To paraphrase Lt. Kaffee from a “Few Good Men”, it doesn’t matter what we know; it only matters what we can prove.

Instead of proving premeditation with direct evidence, the government is trying to do so with circumstantial evidence. So far the attempt has been, with the most charitable interpretation possible, pathetic. While the law does not recognize a distinction between direct and circumstantial evidence, there is a jury instruction that says exactly that, the inference the government wishes the jury to draw from the circumstantial evidence is, dare I say, comically lacking.”

Yes, Martinez has his favorite autopsy pics which he’s put to good use so far, and will do in his closings… but none of those pictures prove pre-meditation either. All they prove is that the animal Jodi was defending herself against came off decidedly second best.

Jodi – the potential VICTIM – turned the tables on her attacker. Self defense. Plain & simple.

So based on all that…. the fact still remains that some of the jurors, for reasons best known to themselves, will still believe it was pre-meditated. But some of the jurors will not — meaning a hung jury.

As Jose Baez said on HLN “bathroom re-enactment” show the other week…

“The physical evidence does not lie”

Ain’t that the truth…

Here’s the clip featuring Jose with his view on the order of events:

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And here’s a secondary clip of Jose from the end of the program:

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And just for good measure – check out the chart below.

It’s the same chart Cheney Mason used (during Jose Baez’s closing arguments) for the defense in Casey’s trial… which clearly explained the concept of reasonable doubt to the jury…

Burden of Proof - chart - Jodi Arias Not Guilty

Fair enough, some jurors may strongly believe it was pre-meditated…

Some may think it very likely…

Some may think Jodi is probably guilty or possibly guilty…

… while others will suspect that perhaps it was planned.

That’s great… because they’ll be the bunch of jurors that’ll save Jodi’s life… uphold the constitution… and ultimately deliver a positive verdict. And I, for one, cannot wait for the Taliban reaction when that happens.

So like I be saying for the past few months now… let’s not stress too much over the verdict. Why? Because it’s already been decided. It’s just gonna be another couple of weeks before it’s “officially” announced.

Remember folks…

Victory is in sight.

Just like the title of today’s post says…

WE ARE TEAM JODI – AND WE WILL BE VICTORIOUS.

Never question it.

Never doubt it.

You can mark my words on that.

Have a great weekend!

SJ
Team Jodi

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  3. That chart Cheney Mason used (during Jose Baez’s closing arguments) for the defense in Casey’s trial was a GREAT IDEA. Will Nurmi use something like this to show the jury??? I blv it would help a whole lot.

    • Hopefully, someone here will email it to the defense team. I wish I was as confident as some with respect to the verdict. It is difficult for me to believe that SOMETHING didn’t happen to cause such a brutal slaying. And if it was premeditated, why the knife? A smaller woman going after a hefty guy with a knife??? I am a smaller woman and can’t imagine killing anyone….but it surely seems to me that a gun would be “safer” for JA if that was her intent, as surely one might fear a big guy taking away the knife and using it on one’s self. I hope defense hammers the point home in closing. I would not vote first degree…but most likely at this point 2nd. I CAN’T stand the prosecutor and would like non guilty just to see his reaction. That so called “expert” that had the evil eyes was a joke. I saw three personalities show up when she testified. 1) JM 2) JW 3) Jury questions DM is the one to whom I refer.

    • I too think the chart is VERY important as I don’t trust the judge to instruct the jury properly on “reasonable doubt”.

  4. Coincidentally I conclude my much improved work on the chop wounds to Alexander’s back

    http://jodi-arias.wikispaces.com/The+Big+Lie#chop

    with:

    The wounds on Alexander’s back are neither stab wounds, nor incised wounds. They are chop wounds.

    Jodi Arias stabbed Travis Alexander just 3 times.

    And this is proof that she was defending herself against attack.

    The Medical Examiner may lie.
    The Lead Detective may lie.
    The Prosecutor may lie.
    Even the Defendant may lie.
    But the hard physical evidence does not lie.

  6. I’m sorry if I’m asking something that has already been posted but:

    Has anyone ever considered hypnotizing Jodi?

    I was looking at the crime scene pics, specifically the shower scenes, and in some pics, Travis is looking in one direction at the shower spray, but in others he is looking in the other direction, still at the shower spray. However, theres only one shower nozzel in the shower. I realize they might just be reversed, but you would think they would post them all in the correct position.

    • Hi Bev
      that was a question asked to Dr S, I do not remember the exact answer, I only remember the answer making sense to me

      • Dr Samuels said that firstly if there was dissociative amnesia hypnosis wouldn’t work because the memory wasn’t there in the first place. Secondly he said that based on his experience with hypnosis in the past it doesn’t work with much success to dredge out memories in any case.

        • Right Al, and he (Dr. Samuels) even spoke about how (early in his career) he was involved in cases where he tried to hypnotize police officers with PTSD because they really needed them to remember more details so they could testify to them. These were critical details that they needed to have brought forth to the juries in those cases. But the police officers — who shot in the line of duty while enforcing the law — couldn’t remember the details because the memories simply were not there. I thought that analogy was extremely powerful.

          • AA, I agree. That was some of the best evidence brought in on the defense side. Took the fantastical aspect of transient memory loss right out of the case while demonstrating that if it is not stored in the first place, it will not be “coming back” even when the subject desperately wants it to.

        • Al, I have the feeling that Dr. Samuels may have used the term “dissociative amnesia” incorrectly. As a psychologist, I can tell you that it does not mean that memories are not present. It typically means that memories, which are traumatic, are split off from consciousness (dissociated). “Amnesia” implies that memories are missing.

          Check out this description from the Cleveland Clinic site.

          http://my.clevelandclinic.org/disorders/dissociative_disorders/hic_dissociative_amnesia.aspx

          “Dissociative amnesia is not the same as simple amnesia, which involves a loss of information from the memory, usually as the result of disease or injury to the brain. With dissociative amnesia, the memories still exist but are deeply buried within the person’s mind and cannot be recalled. However, the memories might resurface on their own or after being triggered by something in the person’s surroundings.”

          • I’ve been reading that too. The shrinks on the web are talking about how memories are encoded with respect to his testimony. It’s interesting. Based on what I understand, when one experiences dissociation, the memory is still retrievable ( even if the person doesn’t have memory of the event ) so the memory is still encoded.

            • Yes, JC, I just reviewed Samuels’ testimony. He did, in fact, misspeak in describing “dissociative amnesia.” This phenomenon is conceived, in the psychological literature, to be “psychologically caused” rather than “physiologically caused.” Albeit, all psychological functions are, of course, associated with a corresponding physiological substratum. He also misspoke in saying that Transient Global Amnesia occurs in “3-8% of 100,000 cases.” According to my search, what would be more accurate would be to say that it occurs in 3-5 of 100,000 cases. The percentages make no sense when the 100,000 is used. His statement would yield an incidence of 3000-8000 per 100,000 cases.

              • I would like to know how current the “psychological literature” is that you have been studying. Neurological findings are occurring so rapidly now that even fully accepted ideas in that field have not yet been officially assimilated into the area of psychology. (This is probably why Dr. Samuels fought so hard to bring that popular news magazine article into evidence.) If Jodi’s memory loss is approached from a purely psychological standpoint one is observing through a clouded, possibly incorrect lens. This, to me, is why Dr. D was able to so confidently disagree with Dr. Samuel’s findings. Those two Drs. are not peers so I honestly do not see that her opinion could rightfully be found to weigh in against his on this particular topic. She is a generalist in her field and he is a specialist, a Physiological Psychologist, duty-bound to stay abreast of the latest biological findings as they pertain to his field.

                • Gulliver, people often misspeak when it comes to percentages, especially when decimal points are involved vis a vis large whole numbers, so I have no reason to doubt what you said about those statistics and how Dr. Samuels may have misrepresented them. He may have realized it a moment or so later. (I haven’t looked at his testimony again.) Obviously in a trial situation there is ample opportunity for an expert witness to inadvertently misspeak about technical data such as population statistics yet one cannot raise a hand and ask to make corrections after counsel has moved on.

  7. Geebee..HUGS…….I so agree ….

    ?…. since this trial has so many coincidences ..
    anyone else find it odd that the room mate also had a rental car on the same day Jodi?

    • Cindy….

      thanks for posting that observation…I noticed it immediately when I read the Flores Report and the Detailed Breakdown report…

      Visualize this…Wednesday morning, June 4, 2008

      1. Jodi arrived at 4 am early that morning…Where did Jodi park her car rental?

      2. Travis is home with Jodi….Where was Travis’ car parked?….Garage???

      3. Enrique is leaving to go to work that morning…he briefly speaks to Travis then leaves…Where was Enrique’s car parked?

      4. Zach has the day off work…he is in and out during the day…he leaves that morning to return his car rental…Where was Zach’s car rental parked?

      Scroll to Photo # 19….this is the front view of Travis’ house….not many places to park…hmmm…

      http://www.examiner.com/slideshow/graphic-crime-scene-photos-admitted-into-evidence-jodi-arias-murder-trial#slide=57271661

  8. SJ-
    Again a great commentary and it brings me back to the absolute truth as to Jodi’s defense. Sometimes I forget that the Jury is not able to search the web and come up with other theories as we are able to do.

    Do you believe the defense in this case has done a thorough job putting holes in the physical evidence that the prosecution presented? I think Jose’ did in these clips, and I’m hoping the defense did as well.

    • Yes Jose makes the most sense. But the haters all hate him mostly too because
      of Casey Anthony Case I seen some real ugly things they said about him.

  9. The only reason for the gas cans now is JM is trying to Impeach jodis testimony
    She could’ve had 10 gas cans And it still would not have shown premeditation
    ”

    • Your right it’s all about IMPEACHING her testimony..Jodi lied about returning the kerosine can to Walmart ($12.96 plus tax would be the amount they are looking for). JM thinks he’s on to something with $19.65 Tesoro purchase. Unless he can prove both that the Walmart doesn’t have the cash refund AND Tesoro has records 19.65 charge was at a gas pump. Without this, this little piece of circ. evid. is weak. Still weak since she was leaving Utah.

      • JM has another reason for going to Walmart. That little errand certainly has taken the discussion away from the fact that both Jodi and Nurmi agreed that the “gas” purchased in Pasadena (in a matter of minutes) would not have fit into the car and the gas cans. The word “nonsensical” was applied by Jodi to the mathematical exercise when questioned by Nurmi, who queried her with something like, “…doesn’t make any sense, does it?”

        What is the likelihood that Jodi ever drove her car’s tank to such a low level that she could have loaded all of this alleged gasoline into the vehicle and her back-up cans at the same time? Not likely, especially when you consider that Nurmi mentioned that Jodi had bought gas in Desert Center after buying it in Pasadena. In an abundance of caution, she was evidently loading up along the way.

        Desert Center is east of the Interstate 15 but still in California. The AZ border, however, is not the boiling point in this case. It is only 216 degrees. It could be a big “so what?” for the jury. The boiling point – 212 degrees F – is any point that is significantly east of the 15 freeway. Desert Center is far enough from that north/south route to Utah that to be that far east of it would arouse suspicion. That is why Nurmi mentioned that particular gas purchase while JM has not.

        After you consider: 1) Jodi was too cautious to let the car’s own tank become low, factor in 2) she stated she didn’t fill the cans to the top because of possible spillage of a flammable liquid. Finally: 3) When she supposedly purchased all of that fuel in Pasadena, she was in….Pasadena. There wasn’t a gas scarcity in that area that could have left a cautious person like Jodi in a position to be close to empty when she pulled into the station.

        I lifted a five-gallon water bottle onto my dispenser exactly once from the floor. It’s difficult to imagine that Jodi put the full five gallons into each one of those cans after trying to lift just one when it was full.
        Back in the day, guys (such as the older dudes on the jury) did almost all of that kind of stuff for women – they would even have done it in a gas station for a stranger. The older guys on the jury know full and well just how heavy a full five gallon gas can is.

        The jury understands that JM’s purpose in scraping the bottom of this proverbial barrel is only to throw in a few brush strokes about lying. If JM could bring in that fifth grade friend of Jodi’s to mention a grade-school fib concocted as a joke, he would. He’s that desperate. He has shot the wheels out from under his case in focusing on gasoline purchased in Utah because his original point was that Jodi had a distinctly sinister purpose in utilizing gas cans at all. Can you hear that squeaky strrrretching sound?

        • Thanks Nikki,
          Like you said that a lot of them on the jury will think nothing of the gas cans.
          I would want to have plenty of them in the dessert, even if I had another person or more with me, but with ONE like Jodi, she was just thinking.
          I know a lot of people don’t so they just want to make something out of nothing.
          Most of the citizens and jurors know to take pre caution.

          • Especially if making a trip between 11pm & 4AM (?). I would need a line between the gas cans & the gas tank, Because I tell you I would not be getting out of the car at all, alone on those empty roads in the middle of the nite.

  11. I have been doing a lot of studying of this evidence and so many things are in absolute diametric contradiction to what Martinez is conspiring to attempt to force down the jury’s throat. I will elicit them one by one and the last observation is going to be a real barn burner.

    1. This was no pre-planned or intended murder whatsoever. There was one hell of a battle in that bathroom and not by the wildest stretch of even fantasy imagination was it a premeditated attack. There is blood in every geographic corner of that bathroom —north, south, east and west. Considering the shower stall as the north easterly direction, there is a sizeable blood spot on the right side column of the shower where the towel hung. Moving south, blood spattering is then also very evident on the divider wall column separating the toilet room and the bathtub. This blood is approximately 12 inches above the floor. Blood spots are also on the toilet PEDESTAL which is in its own separate alcove. And the toilet is many feet away from the shower.

    Blood spotting is then also on the wall opposite the sinks where another towel holder was. We then move along to the south wall where there is spotting on the wall from waist high to even above the TOP OF THE BLINDS, which is over six feet high. We also have blood in the corner on the floor at the south wall which is where the waste basket was. We have major blood on the west wall where the sinks are; especially in the north sink and on the mirror where blood was aspirated.

    Then of course we have blood in the hallway on both sides of the wall and at the end of the hall where the carpet meets the tile. This is now the most northerly direction.

    To get some of the best perspective on what this really means, it’s most helpful to look at photos AFTER the crime scene was cleaned up to see a layout of the bathroom…..
    http://s673.photobucket.com/user/neverathome1979/media/IMG_0243.jpg.html
    http://s673.photobucket.com/user/neverathome1979/media/IMG_0246.jpg.html
    http://s673.photobucket.com/user/neverathome1979/media/IMG_0242.jpg.html

    For the prosecution to say she stabbed him in the shower (which is what they’re saying) then he presumbably makes his way somehow to the sink and coughs up blood in the sink while she’s stabbing him in the back making him fall to the floor, and then supposedly he crawls on all fours down the hall trying to get away while she’s still pursuing him with the knife…he then gets to the end of the hallway where, while she’s over his back, she draws the knife across his throat and slits it from ear to ear. This is all virtually and laughably preposterous. Let alone, her then dragging him back, stuffing him in the shower and then shooting him. This theory has more holes in it than a screen door and wouldn’t even sell as a fiction novel.

    If she stabbed him first:

    How does blood get into his throat almost immediately from a stab to the HEART giving him anything to cough up at the sink? This wound would initially pump blood directly out each time the heart pumped as a punctured artery would.

    How does blood get on the toilet pedestal in the seperate enclosure probably twelve feet from the shower and directly in the opposite corner from the sinks?

    How do stab wounds have a right angle inward toward the middle of the back when Jodi’s a person known as dominant using her left hand, as he also was? And all the closely grouped back wounds being “very shallow” as testified to by the ME on cross? She’s wailing on him from behind thrusting the knife into his back and can’t even penetrate the knife more than a quarter inch or even slightly NICK a bone?

    How does blood get on the south wall blinds six feet up and probably ten feet from the sink that has the “coughed up” blood? How does blood spatter get on the mini wall opposite the sinks?

    How does blood get on the floor by the waste basket directly opposing the direction of the shower and the sink with the blood?

    How does someone shoot somebody over the right eyebrow with their head in a position where:

    1. he’s crumpled in a shower with the right side of his face against the back wall of the shower
    2. the bullet having to travel downward in a left angle trajectory so it ends up in the left cheek
    3. and then do this all with the geophysical impossiblity that the shot had to be fired from AT LEAST TWO FEET AWAY due to the fact that there was ZERO stippling on the bullet entry wound.

    This would be an impossible bank shot even in pool. It would make the magic bullet theory surrounding Kennedy virtually pale in any comparison.

    If that alone isn’t laughable enough, the bullet cartridge (which ejects from the right side of guns) has to then end up on a dried puddle of blood just to the north of the north sink on the floor about a foot from the wall. WHICH IS ABOUT TEN FEET FROM THE SHOWER STALL. This would be another magic bullet, only this time it would be the casing that does the miracle.

    And to take preposterous to a new level, she stabs him in the shower while he’s sitting looking at her, but this is BETTER than just moments earlier when he was completely facing away from her with his arms raised up against the back wall of the shower like he’d be in a police bust? Pu-lease. She could have stabbed him once in each kidney, back of the neck, cut his throat, sliced both his legs and fileted him like a salmon from his ass crack up before he knew what happened. Then shot him 5 times in the head and he would have dropped right in the shower where IN FACT he did end up after whatever did happen, and she wouldn’t have had to drag him no place. This stabbing-first theory is so fucked up, it makes pizza restaurants on the moon more plausible than him being stabbed first.

    But now the REAL piece de’ resistance…… and this is all done in SIXTY TWO SECONDS ?

    Once the theory of the pictures creating the artificial timeline is destroyed, the entire case is thrown into an entirely new and different set of possiblities. With a totally different amount of time that could have elapsed to leave Travis like he was and all the evidence to be differently interpreted.

    The picture supposedly showing the end of the 62 seconds has always bothered me. The photo of him sitting in the shower was to be one bookend. The photo of Jodie’s foot where his throat is allegedly already cut and she is purportedly dragging him back to the shower was to be the other bookend. First one alive–next one, dead. Martinez desperately wants the jury to believe Travis is already dead in this picture and also wants them to believe the picture was snapped very near the entrance that goes into the closet from the bathroom—indicating that she would have already dragged him back this far down the hallway after his throat had been cut.

    I have finally figured out why this picture has always bothered me and I believe you will see what I did when I point it out to you. I haven’t seen ANYBODY make these observations. What is being depicted in this picture of her foot is difficult for almost anybody who looks at it to ascertain what they’re looking at. It’s almost like a Rorshack’s test. Even the ME didn’t know what the blue was in the foreground until Jennifer pointed it out to him that it was likely a pants leg with blue jeans. Then he finally saw it. It is that picture that holds the key to EVERY possiblity of what may have happened in that bathroom and the sequence of events.

    By far the best resolution of that picture I’ve found is at this video link at the 1:02 and 41 seconds mark………

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qVnAogvSzw ………..freeze that picture and make it full screen.

    Now remember, the prosecution is stating all but unequivocally here that his throat has already been cut and this picture implies her dragging him.

    So get on the floor yourself. Lay in the position as Travis is pictured with your shoulders only about 4 inches from the floor. Have someone enact that they are dragging you and they are wearing only socks.
    What is clear is that neither the hands of Travis or Jodi can be seen because the photo is cut off. So we have no idea what either Travis or Jodi were doing with their hands in this photo.

    But note that Travis’ right arm is CLEARLY raised up and OFF the floor. It is NOT resting on the floor. That means one of only two things: either Jodi had to be holding it up or TRAVIS had to be holding it up himself through his own motor responses. That would certainly mean he is alive.

    Now see if the person imitating dragging you, would be able to DRAG you with your arm in that position. You can see that is next to impossible. How could his arm be straight up if she was dragging him? It would HAVE to have to be at a much greater angle “backward.” She couldn’t be dragging him if his arm is almost straight up-and-down position in the position it’s shown. And that’s only the one arm. We can’t see the other one.

    So now look at the foot in the black stocking. If the prosecution is implying that this is her dragging him, they certainly have to be implying that this is her RIGHT foot pictured in the photo and as she would be positioned behind him. For them to claim that this could be her LEFT foot and she is dragging him would be utterly insane. She’d be at a 45 degree angle looking “away” from him if that were the case.

    So now have your partner look at their right foot. Do their toes curve the same way as what you see in this picture? Where is the big toe? The big toe on a right foot is just OPPOSITE of what appears in this picture. The curvature of toes could only be this way if it WAS her left foot. Unless she has one of the most deformed feet in human anatomy.

    So now there’s only one other possibility and ONLY one, that could still make this her right foot. That is, if she was starting to partially KNEEL and her toes were being curled under by doing that. But now look at the photo—how would the pants on the pants leg still remain in that position doing that? Not only that, this would make it even WORSE to support a theory that she’s dragging him. How in the hell could she be dragging him if she’s starting to kneel with her right knee?

    So dragging him is totally shot to shit. Nothing makes it remotely possible with the laws of physics to support what Martinez says is being shown in this picture.

    But it gets worse. And this is the bombshell as that slut Numb nuts Grace is so fond of saying. This is what I REALLY believe blows the entire timeline theory to smithereens. I haven’t seen ANYBODY point this out that I’m aware of.

    Martinez claims his throat is cut in this picture? This is your smoking gun Martinez showing him dead?

    Now his head was without question literally almost cut off as shown by the autopsy picture. It was sliced from ear to ear. Nothing was still holding the neck intact anymore except for the small section of skin still uncut at the back of his neck containing the spinal cord. The spinal cord could actually be seen through the wound.

    So now look at the angle he’s laying and what you should be duplicating with your shoulders just slightly off the floor. If his throat had already been cut in this photo, what is holding it up? There’s NO WAY IN HELL his head could be in the alignment that is shown in this picture. It would be FLOPPING BACK. He’s at least at a 45 degree angle the way he’s laying. Nothing is holding his neck in the front anymore. Sheer gravity would cause the head to tilt back and we would be seeing at LEAST the top of his forehead if not some of his face. You can see in the photo her pants leg is DEFINITELY not supporting his head. There’s a space there between her pant leg and his head. That means his head would have to do whatever the laws of gravity made it do.

    Take a cucumber, bananna, anything whatsoever that’s cylindrical–cut it four-fifths of the way through and then put it at that angle and see what happens. It will positively fall back. And a head sitting on top of a neck is considerably larger than the neck so it has an ever greater force of gravity making the flopping back even more assured. Even the AUTOPSY photo where his head appears to be SUPPORTED on something, there’s still approximately a three inch separation opening in his neck.

    Yet his head in this photo is in the same alignment just as it would look normally if his neck had never been cut. And I believe that’s because it WASN’T cut!! His throat was not severed at this point.

    However there very definitely is blood cascading down the back and that has to be accounted for some way and coming from someplace. The picture however confirms absolutely nothing as to where the blood is positively coming from because it’s too dark. The photo is completely black in that area. However what we DO know it IS coming from the right side which we can see. So if his throat was not cut, where is the blood originating from? Simple.

    We know for certain he was shot above the right eyebrow. This bullet entry wound would have bled a GREAT deal immediately. And anyone who doesn’t believe this should view the cross examination of the medical examiner where he UNEQUIVOCALLY confirms it. He said if Travis was still alive when he incurred this bullet wound, he agreed as Jennifer phrased it, there would be “lots” of blood. This then would put that blood in perfect alignment where it would flow down the side of the face, neck and over the back in exactly the way blood is shown in this picture.

    Whaat we ALSO know is that Travis had a very severe stab wound gash just below and just behind his right ear. This TOO would have put that blood in the perfect alignment to flow exactly how the picture shows the blood is flowing. These two things in combination could very easily account for the amount of blood streaming down the back, instead of it coming from the throat. And I believe that’s where it WAS from and not the throat. In fact, I believe there would have been a lot MORE blood if it was from an ear to ear sliced throat.

    When taking all the factors of what I explained into combination, I believe Travis was alive in this picture of Jodi’s foot and that it could have been taken ANYWHERE in that bathroom very early in the battle they were in. And while she was still defending her life AFTER she shot him. These equally credible forensic aberrations that dispute the prosecutions contentions totally destroy the need for everything then to be done in 62 seconds because the throat cutting wouldn’t have taken place yet. In fact, he wouldn’t even physically have been at the end of the hallway yet where the blood pattern indicates (and most agree) it is likely where his throat WAS cut. Let alone the miraculous feat that she could have dragged him all the way back down the hallway to the bathroom again where Martinez claims the foot photo was snapped therefore encapsulating the 62 second fairy tale.

    The explanations I have laid out here DO account for blood appearing in every corner of the bathroom and showing there WAS a fight where Travis was actively involved and Jodi was in a struggle for her life. It also entirely destroys the absurd timeline which the prosecution is hell bent on trying to imply with the two photos that Travis was dead and mutilated in 62 seconds by a woman he outweighed by over 80 pounds. This allows for a much longer time for the fight-for-survival struggle and certainly well beyond the 62 seconds.

    The prosecution CHANGED their theory of the bullet being first to bullet being last only AFTER Jodi changed her plea from not guilty to self defense. I wonder how the jury would like to know that little factoid. Anybody can talk to me until they’re blue in the face and there is NO explanation why they would have to change their investigative conclusions of the most BASIC first precept of the killing. Are they that stupid or stupefyingly mind boggling inept? NO!!! It was simply that they COULDN’T have the bullet come first anymore because it would completely correlate with the explanation of exactly what she said happened. They HAD to reverse this theory to maintain any hope of conviction. This now REQUIRED the coroner to revise and phony up his medical report to make the autopsy fit the theory.

    If anyone doubts this, the autopsy was done June 12, 2008. Flores testified in a Cronus hearing UNDER OATH in August 2009 that Horn told him the shot WAS first!. But now in the trial on cross examination Horn denies even talking to Flores or telling him that. So now Flores is hung out to dry and he has to do the hot potato dance to try to cover his ass and say he never “was” told that by the ME…that the shot was last and that he came to the conclusion of it being first by himself. Oh really, you have a Medical Examiner’s license on your wall? And to compound this insult, this is after first saying you “misunderstood’ him? Which is now another direct contradiction of what you said originally? As a detective of 25 years Flores, you don’t know the difference between a gun and a knife when you hear it? Gun sounds like knife to you? You’re at the autopsy and these two things are too close in description so they can easily be confused as to what a first wound was in a murder? And then you testify to it in a hearing? You would make the Keystone Cops look more brilliant than Scotland Yard.

    No the explantion here is very simple. Whatever these Maricopa conspirators have to do to get a conviction, they’re not below doing it. And this is exactly what they’re doing. This isn’t a trial to uncover and reveal the facts which is the sworn obligation of any state prosecutor. This is a deliberate and concerted effort to cover up and suppress the facts! Just like they tried to do with the several hundred text messages they said didn’t exist and the 800 emails they said didn’t have anything of any worth or probative value regarding Travis that Jodi could use in her defense.

    These are bottom feeder scum. Martinez is a latent Napoleonic wanna-be papparazi seeking POS and Horn and Flores are both sacks of it. These pricks should be investigated by the United States Attorney General for fixing capital murder cases—investigated just like they’re doing with Arpaio. This is another railroad job and smacks royally of more perjury by all players at the Maricopa County Attorney’s office. Another replay of the Debra Milke case that was PROVEN to be based on an Arizona detective’s perjured testimony by the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals after 22 years and a research team digging for 10,000 hours nonstop to uncover what these same slugs at the M.C.A.O did trying to send her to her death.

    Jodi Arias could very possibly have been the one laying on that floor June 4th, 2008 had she not defended herself. And it would be the all incarnate lily white throat-choking Mormon two faced jiggolo at that defense table.

    If this jury is seeing any outside information, I hope they’re seeing some of what I wrote.

    This is a two million dollar farce for the taxpayers of Arizona and they will be ruing the day when they didn’t accept the plea they already had from Arias who was willing to admit responsibility to a second degree murder.

    I hope now it’s even less than that. TRUE justice would be served if Martinez, Horn and Flores were all on their way to a federal penitentiary. That would be justice that could maybe start the long journey back in Arizona to what criminal trials are supposed to be…a fucking search for the TRUTH !

    • I think he was coming at her, she pulled gun to stop him, it went off but he was in forward motion and landed on her the gun fell away, the knife was somewhere there on the floor, they used it to cut the ropes and in the midst of sex, they just tossed it away to continue, so, she picks up the knife, because he is on top of her and she doesnt know if he is concious or not at this point so grabs this knife and stabs him in the back, as he is on top of her, trying to get him off?

      • I go one step further and say TA was holding the knife when he lunged at JA. Here’s why: I think he picked it up when he was chasing JA. If TA picked up the camera to check for damage, slipped on the tile as he ran after JA, and stopped to retrieve the knife he used to cut the rope it would account for the time JA had to gain time ahead of him to go into the closet and get the gun. Also when JA reenacted TA’s lunge at her, she showed him with both hands up – almost as if a weapon was in his hand. If that was case both the gun and knife would have been on the ground and near both of them. JA being on the bottom could have grabbed the knife and starting to defend herself.

        • That makes sense…Jodi never said that she remembered stabbing him…she said that she only remembered hearing something like the sound of a knife fall down…

    • Great post. I hope somebody from the defense side has read it.

      I have long maintained the killing didn’t take place in 62 seconds; it is complete speculation based on a photograph which is so vague as to be worthless.

      I hope the jury sees through that bogus argument, too.

    • This is a very nice post however it’s clear from the photo of Jodi’s foot that its in the hallway outside the bathroom.
      “When taking all the factors of what I explained into combination, I believe Travis was alive in this picture of Jodi’s foot and that it could have been taken ANYWHERE in that bathroom very early in the battle they were in.”

    • JADE

      Thank you for this post It was very passionate And makes us stop and look at the facts.

    • I agree, Jade. I have never believed his head could be in that position either if his throat was already slashed. No way. No how.

    • jade, I’m speechless by the level of professional analysis of your post.It shows dedication,unselfishness and a strong desire for true justice to be served.Posts like yours and many other people’s here should have been the ones we should have heard by the experts during this trial and not biased,covered up rehearsed testimonies to which we were exposed! I was also among those who said that his head can be seen NOT touching the ground in that photo hence his throat couldnt have been cut at that point.I dont wanna say I ”hope” or ”wish” that the defense team could see your post.I WANT the defense team to somehow read it!

    • GREAT POST JADE!! If the jurors are looking around I hope they see this! And along with Martinez, Flores and the ME, the judge should also be held responsible, she should know better, she shouldve knows there’s something going on. Great post!!!

    • Jade, your post is a masterpiece! Thanks for sharing your thoughtful research and evidence-based insights.

    • Jade, GREAT post.

      One of the best things I have read in the last few weeks.

      😎

    • Epic post Jade!!! I highly suggest everyone here to go out and
      watch The Place Beyond The Pines the new movie out with
      Ryan Gosling and Bradley Cooper. Not only is it one of the best
      movies of the year but without spoiling it, the middle section
      involving some cops made me really think of this case and
      and all the states smoke and mirrors.

      I have always believed it was self defense.

    • “And it would be the all incarnate lily white throat-choking Mormon two faced jiggolo at that defense table.”

      Favorite read all week.

    • regarding the foot pic. during interagation when detective is telling her we know it’s you were gave a picture, and he shows here that’s pic,she looks surprising And says that’s no my foot
      than struck me as tru

    • Jade,

      I agree that it’s obvious that he is not dead in that photo!! How is he holding his head and shoulders off the floor if he’s dead?? In fact, he looks like he might be getting up in that photo.

      What bothered me in Juan’s questioning of Jodi is that after one of his first questions, Jodi said clearly that she didn’t think he was dead in that photo. Despite what she said, Juan went on and on and on and on trying to disprove “her version of events” and she had clearly stated that the 62 second theory is NOT her version of events.

    • I have also stated a while back that the last photo could be showing blood across his neck from [probably] the bullet wound. It makes an awful lot of sense to me, and your great analysis explains it well. This changes the timeline, which makes a big difference. When I first looked at that pic, my impression was that he was down & very injured & Jodi was sitting next to him not knowing what to do. I will take a look at your link & see if I can make anything out more clearly. Thx for your post!

      • Does anyone know what the pale blue vertical stripe on the left in the photo is?

        • seek2….

          It appears to be that Jodi is wearing women’s athletic pants in black or navy blue slightly flared bottom leg that has possibly two narrow blue vertical stripes down the side of the pants…

          Click on ebay link below of the pants that looks similar to what Jodi was wearing…also you can find some older pants for sale that people are still selling and I have found several…

          Since the stripe looks narrow…it has to be at least 2 or 3 stripes down the side of the pants…we can clearly see the one vertical blue stripe that is on this side of the side seam and the other stripe that we can’t see would have to be on the other side of the side seam …

          http://www.ebay.com/itm/CITY-LIGHTS-BOUTIQUE-ATHLETIC-YOGA-WORKOUT-WOMEN-PANTS-MED-BLACK-QUALITY-EUC-/171022997656?pt=US_Womens_Athleticwear&hash=item27d1c3d898

          It was said that Jodi was into yoga…and many people use these pants for that purpose…

          • Thx, my eyes are bad, I probably never would have picked that out without your help!

    • Jade,

      Maybe the best post yet! Thanks for the insight. I’m wondering if it would be alright if I copy and paste it to friends of mine. If no, then I can do my best to paraphrase. Thanks again, BRILLIANT!

    • Jade, a fabulous piece. I hope the defense gets to at least give it a glimpse. There is alot there and I wish they had a team like CA did to do research and find the missing pieces and discrepancies to show the jurors that there is alot of doubt and dubious matter here. Nothing is as it seems in this case, for sure.

    • I think that this has to be her right foot because on pants that have the lines down the sides, the lines are ALWAYS on the outside. I think she is probably in the middle of fighting him, her knee is bent, she’s getting the better of him & his arm is trying to fight her off or he is trying to get up.

  12. This is irritating. I used to type in “Jodi Arias Is Innocent”, the name of this pro-Jodi website and up would pop this website. A couple of days ago, that changed. Now, it still isn’t coming up anymore; in its place as the TOP website listed is the “Only Idiots Think Jodi Arias Is Innocent”, a Facebook entry. Scrolling down more anti-Jodi sites, you come across the “Casey Anthony” website, and as I discovered there’s a way of getting from there to here.

    Now I just enter this website’s address, which works quicker than going through the search entry. However, new people supporting Jodi and wanting to comment may not spend the time or feel discouraged in trying to find this or other pro-Jodi sites. Also, typing in the name and having that mock website against Jodi show up first, followed by several other anti-Jodi sites is not cool, as one of my friends who was trying to post in support of the defense, commented.

    I know this is through not fault of this website. However, it is possible that many more individuals may want to come to the site and read post comments in support of Jodi or the defense but may not be able to during this time. Hopefully, things will get back to way they were before-with the website appearing first and easily available rather than the mock and anti-Jodi sites appearing in the top spots.

    • that happened to me too, I thought at first, oh no, the site is down, I only came up with the site I used to get hell on for my opinion, the Huffington post one of domestic abuse, I finally found this one again by going thru the Casey Anthony website!

      • Hi everybody,
        I just typed Jodi on my FB account and this side was first that came up. So type just Jodi Arias.

    • There’s now another facebook page out there:

      Alyce Laviolette is NO Longer a Voice for the Voiceless

    • HI Mattie
      i share your justifiable annoyance at the search engine result, probably google, being
      buried lower down in the search results
      when i looked, it was 5th
      NOW, i had an idea what was involved so looked into it, and came up with the name of
      one of the major sleaze corporations involved, GOOGLE

      I’LL post a few brief extracts to give you an idea of what these crooks are up to,
      despite their deliberately deceitful claim of impartiality in producing the ranking or
      ordering of the search results

      HERE’S just a few links revealing google’s sleaze more closely:

      http://yro.slashdot.org/story/01/07/17/0223250/search-engine-payola
      In 2001 …
      “Seems that Ralph Nader and his Consumer Watchdog group has fired the first shot in
      pegging 8 search engines for reshuffling query results based on fees paid to them. Like
      we didn’t see this happening! Nader has asked the FTC to look into this based on
      deceptive advertising practices…” Check out the complaint, which itself references pages like this one detailing how to pay for placement at all the major search engines.

      AND,

      http://www.google.com/webhp?complete=0#complete=0&site=webhp&q=FTC+SEARCH+ENGINE+GOOGLE+PLACEMENT+RANKING&oq=FTC+SEARCH+ENGINE+GOOGLE+PLACEMENT+RANKING&gs_l=serp.12…64811.84370.6.86750.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0..0.0…0.0…1c.1.9.serp.BPWgdoBl-qU&bav=on.2,or.&bvm=bv.45512109,d.aWM&fp=e2ed0662e76f0bf2&biw=853&bih=514
      in 2012 …
      Now Google is basically running a search engine shake-down racket charging
      companies for placement ranking.

      WITHIN that crooked, rigged framework or system there is some room to maneuver

      GOOGLE does advise websites how to get a favorable search engine ranking, but is
      COMPLETELY silent as to their modern form of deceptive payola [ what is payola ?
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Payola ]

      LOOK at google’s hypocritical public face, under the phrase “search engine
      optimization”

      LIKE the two faces of TA

      http://support.google.com/webmasters/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=35291

      CLEARLY, Mattie, when you did your search of “Jodi Arias Is Innocent” those above
      this site in the ranking, almost certainly paid the search engine google, etc, for better
      ranking, most likely to gain commercial rewards from that better positioning

      HOWEVER, they may have paid “google” simply to attack the ever increasing numbers
      of people who are supporting jodi’s innocence

      a side issue to supporting jodi would be to file a complaint with the ftc

      http://www.consumer.ftc.gov/articles/0341-file-complaint-ftc

      i don’t know if the ftc has the legal authority to do anything
      but remember not to be distracted by side issues

      i never watch or listen to any of the crap put out by any and all of the media

      i checked it out initially and reduced 56 million google results for jodi arias down to 2 websites which has the same one paragraph item

      TO exclude by malicious descriptors. or websites. put a negative in front of a term, then leave a space eg jodi arias -lover -killer -cbs
      just one instance of a malice leads to the total exclusion of all such results
      etc
      string them together

      here’s how it’s done
      just one website i found just now on How To Get Better Google Search Results – Tips & Examples

      http://www.artofdeveloping.com/2012/01/how-to-get-better-google-results-tips.html

      look for more if you’re interested

    • I just wanted to say, that almost every time that I have posted a comment that is in disagreement with the Jodi Arias/Alyce LaViolette/Defense team haters on HLN, Huffington Post, especially Facebook, it is removed. I’ve reposted messages more than 6 times, and had them continually removed.
      These are not inflammatory, hateful comments, these are comments that are simply in disagreement with the rabid, foaming at the mouth people who think they are the only ones who have a right to an opinion.

      How is that even remotely objective? Especially, since, based on the Jury’s questions, I am positive they are looking at websites and watching television, especially HLN.

      I just have to say that it makes me sick how biased the media is. They are determined to get the result they want, especially since they were all shocked that Casey Anthony walked out of the courtroom free.
      It certainly seems to me that their egos are invested in this to the max. They are going to make Jodi Arias guilty of premeditated murder 1, come hell or high water.
      It’s very scary.

      In addition, I don’t trust anything going on in the legal system, based on this crazy circus. It makes me think there are a lot more people in prison that shouldn’t be there, and a lot of people out running around that shouldn’t be. (I know for a fact this is the case also)

  13. The chart is all well and good and everything you stated is correct SJ. The problem is that you never ever know what’s going on in the minds of the juror’s. In my opinion for instance the majority of them are lying when they say they haven’t heard anything about this trial outside the courtroom. BUT,
    If they can take emotion and preconceived thoughts out of their deliberations, and focus on the evidence and the testimony they’ve heard, things should work out nicely for Jodi. But you just simply never know what the jury is going to do.

  14. SJ,
    thanks for always succeeding in lifting our spirits even when some of us feel disheartened!! We certainly need you to remind us that the best is yet to come!

  15. If jodi is impeached with the gas can does that mean her versions of events are thrown out the window?

    • i don’t think it really matters weather jodi lied or not it is still up to prosecution to prove 1 that it was not self defense and 2) that it was premeditated

    • its a give that she killed him, she confessed ( i suppose if she was impeached then even that confession would be off the table)

    • I wish I also know the answer to that question. I do know that the defense is on top of that. it’s going to be interesting.

    • I remember reading here a while ago that if she’s caught in a lie,the judge can advise the jury to disregard her testimony. I’m not sure,though.

      • I don’t believe that but I don’t really know. I think the jury is free to believe that she lied about this but not about that or to believe that she lied about everything or nothing.

    • Vicky T and maria

      The judge will issue an instruction about witness credibility. Here’s an example

      “You are the sole judges of the credibility of the witnesses and what weight is to be given
      the testimony of each witness. In considering the testimony of each witness, you may take
      into account the opportunity and ability of the witness to observe, the witness’ memory and
      manner while testifying, any interest, bias or prejudice the witness may have, the
      reasonableness of the testimony of the witness considered in a light of all the evidence, and
      any other factors that bear on credibility and weight.”

      So its entirely up to the jury what they want to consider, and what they want to discard. Obviously, when a witness is impeached in a meaningful manner, at least some in the jury will have an immensely skeptical view of that person’s testimony.

  16. JM had no evidence of premeditation so he resorted to smoke and mirrors to divert juries attention from that fact and confuse the jury. Lets hope that they are smart enough to see through that and look only at evidence or lack thereof

  17. When I was younger and putting myself thru school, I worked at Wal Mart, as a cashier, customer service rep and in the cash office, where they process all the money, etc. If a cashier gets lazy or there is a long line and they have a customer come up with an item that does not have the code or price tag on it, they choose a generic code and take the customers word on what the item is and just type in a generic description and price the customer says, so, later on when they return that, it does not come up in the system. If someone brings an item back to be returned and they do not have the receipt and the item does not have the code on it, they can do the same thing and if the item is under ten dollars, they always give you cash back, some take a little leeway and give you cash back if under 25.00, its less work to just give them the cash then to get a wal mart card for no receipt and go thru all of those steps

    • So, if any of these things happened when she returned the gas cans they would not have a record of it, or if she did have the receipt, that had a bunch of other things on it, they could accidently choose an item that is not the exact item returned if that item no longer has its upc code on it and that could have happened and be why they have no record of a gas can, if the item is under a certain amount, with no receipt they dont even ask your for your id, so they would have no record

      • This happened to me thru kmart.com (not Walmart, I know but…) I purchased 4 of the same item on kmart.com. 4 completely different items of much lesser value were delivered to me. I took my original packing slip/charge receipt (which showed the items I actually ordered) to my local Kmart along with those completely different items of much lesser value that I received, and was given a CASH refund! I could not believe how easy it was. Never in my wildest dreams did I expect them to believe me. And I certainly did not expect a cash refund. They had no questions whatsoever. No receipt to actually show I had purchased certain items and was returning completely different items. I have even returned items purchased on one credit card and had stores (more than once) willing to credit a completely different card or give a cash refund instead of crediting the proper card. Stuff happens. Hope something like this has happened to a juror or two as well.

        • YES, giving cash back with no trail is a lot easier especially if they have a long line and those stores normally do. To give back credit or a gift card there are five more steps and takes much longer so no record at Wal Mart? So the hell what I say, doesnt prove a darn thing

          • ….and yet, I was the ONLY person in line! So they don’t even have to be overwhelmed to do such things.

            • This is true, it just depends on the person behind the desk and the person returning the item, sad but true but if you see someone well dressed, nice looking and probably very sweet as Jodi seems to be, you go beyond and want to help them on their way faster, if they appear trust worthy. Memories are flooding back, they would train us in ways to just give cash back to make the lines go down, especially the day after Christmas, they set up registers all over just for returns and tell you to just give everyone cash back no questions asked unless the item looks used or beat up, that was to speed things up so everyone knows how to do this, it is not a fail safe system, come on, its Wally World

              • Even if this is the case, they always ask for your drivers licenses with a cash return, or gift card, or putting it back on your credit card. THis is to ensure they have accurate records, and their employees are not stealing from them.

      • I have said this all along
        I have said this all along.. now if they have video from that day…….. the defense is all over this.

      • I have personally returned items to Walmart and been given cash back instead of charge being refunded to my credit card. I know others who have had this experience as well.

        • It just happened to me last week. I send my daughter to return something I purchased on line. They asked her if she wants exchange or cash back and they gave her cash back. It was $19.99 plus tax.

          • You still have to sign though, so they should have her signature on file that will prove she did in fact return the gas can.

      • I have also gotten receipts back where a different item of same price or general item was listed instead of the actual one I had purchased.

    • Yep. A while back we had a poster here who kept insisting that Walmart keeps perfect records “TO THE PENNY!” and would not hear otherwise. Those of us who have worked in retail know that a lot of different scenarios can occur when entering a return onto a machine.

    • The store that I worked in had both a MISC-Tax and MISC-Non Tax code for returns that were problematic for one reason or another.

      • Yep…I’ve taken things back to our Walmart… and one time the lady didn’t even ask for my receipt…she just scanned the bar code on the item and gave me the money…I thought that was odd…cause they have done it differently before…but I just got the money and left…

        So yes…I know they do not keep that good of records…and five years ago…I doubt they kept that good of records back then either…

        • or if she had the receipt and she paid cash, she gets cash back and with a receipt they do not ever ask you for id, and because she paid cash there will be no record of her, so how in the world can they prove she did not bring back a gas can out of the thousands of returns, there will be no record of her specifically

        • There should still be a record of the return for the amount of the gas can plus tax…no matter what the description is, they should be able to go back and search for that return amount. And every time I have returned something to Walmart I have had to sign no matter what form my refund is in. Now how long they keep their records for I don’t know but there would have been some type of proof.

          • true Diane…but only in recent years has the CSR’s at our local Walmart really buckled down on having you sign something…5 years ago…there were some of them who were just lacksey-daisy and just took the item, scanned, and gave you the money…

  18. JM is definitely looking to impeach. He has already thrown the gas cans out of the premeditation theory by putting forth his evidence that she bought gas in SLC, Utah for the trip home.

    • Which you should have if you are traveling west to Reno and north through the California national forests. Gas is extremely expensive in Susanville, McCloud, and Old Station near Hat Creek (just outside of Lassen Volcanic National Park), so Jodi wanted to be able to save some money on the trip back to Yreka.

      • I agree and I lived in St George Utah and would make that long trip thru the desert, I got the bright idea to fill up gas cans when I was by myself in case I ran out, they are only a few gas stations there but I had people around me to tell me that was not the best idea or that could have been me! Also, when I go on long trips, to save my cell phone battery, I will turn my phone off until I need it and that could explain her phone being off, if the battery is dying, you turn it off for awhile and it gives it a tiny charge for emergency so I can see why her phone was off, they are searching so hard for so little. It is so sad

        • Is it true that it is US law to have a gas station every 250 miles on all Interstate highway/freeways? My cousin said that because of this it proves that she didn’t need gas cans. Of course that doesn’t mean anything because maybe a lot of people aren’t aware of that law.

      • I cannot believe how invested I have become in all of this, wow. I am fairly sane, haha, married to a nice man finally and mother of three that works for a TV station. I love my life, do not believe in killing people if you are mad but somehow I believe in this young lady, I am so glad I found this site. I have another person at work who shares my views and since we work at at TV station we had the TV on thru the Casey trial and now thru this but we are timid about sharing with the others but now we have this, I have yet to show her but will come monday

        • That is nice to hear, kmea. Welcome! You will like it here more and more. Pleasant peeps who: respect truth, know how to reason, laugh and cry together, discuss ideas, respect differences of opinion, and hang together without walking in lock-step. Also some good sources of music and such.

  19. Zoe , FUJuan,

    THOMAS BROWN- the other roommate ???

    Steve Bell- is likely the tire slasher and the John Doe Email author/sender.

    Dustin Thompson- not interviewed. Potential suspect, motive- adultery. Wife Ashley Thompson (witness) now DEAD, supposedly suicide, from a contortionist position, based on the path of the bullet.

    Potential Transcript –

    Nurmi: “Det Flores why did you not interview Dustin Thompson as a potenial suspect. The motive, adultery, being that Ashley and Travis were having an affair, real sex, not the “Provo Push”?

    Flores: “Sir, Travis was a bonafide, certified, card carrying 30 year old Virgin. Yes, yes I was at the autopsy and I spied with my little eye, Travis’ hymen. Yup”!

    Nurmi: “Det Flores do you know that men don’t have hymens”?

    JM: “OBJECTION YOUR HONOR, BEYOND THE SCOPE, DEFENSE ATTORNEY IS NOT A HYMEN EXPERT”!!!!!

    Judge: “Sustained , rephrase your question”

    Thomas Brown was interviewed by Det Flores yet his interviews were not included in the Flores Report.
    The significance is that there is 1 person, just 1, that was brave enough to speak some truth about Jodi, but was excluded. Why?
    According to the article Thomas Brown claims that TA was shocked to get the phone call that Jodi was outside at 4am on June 4th, but TA had to act “shocked” because he was a 30 year old Virgin, or at least had to play the part.
    Thomas knows Jodi is innocent !!

    http://blinkoncrime.com/2013/01/22/jodi-arias-trial-new-witnesses-may-reveal-defense-strategy-prosecution-omissions/

    • I read that article a while ago and I don’t know if I believe him. He was NOT Travis’ roommate at that time so how could he know that TA was shocked she was outside or she even called from outside?

      • And we know that law enforcement has record of all of her calls from that day. There were no calls on June 4th.

    • Jade thanks so much for the report- so much hard work. why can’t anybody else involved in the defense figure this out????? It all makes complete sense to me now.

    • Notice Gus Searcy schedule on June 4, the missed confernce call by TA, I thought that TA was with Chris Hughes Team at PPL?
      Chris Hughes also stated on the 48 Hours special that he supspected something was wrong, “Sky, his voicemail is full, something is wrong, we have to call the cops!” But didn’t call the cops. Then at 4am Chris and Sky got a call that TA was dead.
      What Police Dept. did Chris and Sky Hughes call when they suspected that “something was wrong”? Pull the tapes, or wave files I want to hear the audio of the 911 call that Chris and Sky Hughes made concerning TA.
      The fool then tells the reporter about the 4am call about Travis’ death, and didn’t call BS on his previous statement about “Sky we have to call the cops”
      Chris Hughes tells Det Flores, on an official report, when questioned about the cell phone messages being full, “Chris figured he was just busy”. Isn’t this illegal, Falsifying a Police Report, Perjury?
      He also told the Det Flores that “While in route to Mexico, they heard about what happened and thought of Jodi…”
      Let me understand this , first you sense something is wrong with TA and decided to call the cops, but don’t, then you get a phone call at 4 am about the death, but find out in route to Mexico that TA was dead. Hmmm. I smell a rat.
      Soooooo, Chris and Sky were in a Taxi Cab or an Airplane when they got the phone call at 4 am. Show me the schedule of flights to Cancun that day.

      • I have also read a post from him on FB that he said they were already in Mexico when they heard. So that makes it what, 4 stories he told now?

          • Oh wow! I never noticed they had different versions of when they got the news. Wow!

            • You know what’s going on here, right? The meddling duo/hughes are trying to one-up JA with who-can-come-up-with-the-most-versions-of-a-story! If they were telling the truth, there would be just ONE story to tell!!! CYA, Cover-up, Pull the wool over your eyes, Blow smoke up your a**, all these and more apply here.

      • I read an interview from late 2011 I think that was done by DL on huffington post. Skye said Travis wasn’t perfect. Now the Hughes thinks he walked on water.

  20. Excellent post, SJ! I hope that chart (or something like it) is used in closing arguments, and I hope the jurors take the reasonable doubt seriously. The state has not proven murder 1 in the least bit.

  21. Phillip thanks- the more I resd the more questions I have. Does Steve Bell have an alibi??

  22. Here are a few You Tube clips I found.
    This one talks about JM and his behavior in the court room. I have no clue who the man is. Comments from haters started about a week ago and there are not many and cannot imagine why….
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AA8aFRV8rBQomments from haters started about a week ago.

    This next one I thought was funny although it is pro JM but we can all look at things from a different perspective. Alyce and Dr. Samuels standing up to JM, their finer moments yet we get to observe his Prosecutorial manners to use for you Data Points and there is lots to highlight in the clip.

    There is an old saying that “birds of a feather flock together.” We all know when these jurors get finished they probably will run to their computers and I hope they see all the horrible things the pro Travis people wrote on different sites thus showing their true colors.

    • Oh, god. I watched it. I see J.M. as a pathetic bully who is equally pissed off about every single thing, therefore, nothing he says is effective. I thought Jodi, ALV and Samuels all owned Juan’s ass in that video, yet the video is an homage to the “wonderful” prosecutor? WTF? I am sick of feeling like I live in Bizzaro World.

      • I have to agree. I find this all very bizarre. I cannot stand Juan Martinez, I don’t understand how anyone can stand him. He is the most abusive, hateful, ridiculous little man in the way he talks to anyone on the stand, even including some of his own witnesses. I thought that attorneys had to have some kind of restraint, respect, decorum in the courtroom. I never imagined that any attorney, especially a prosecutor, was allowed to terrorize people!
        To me, he is a terrorist, thinking in his self-righteous mind that he is justified. Nothing justifies his behavior.
        The other thing that makes me think this is totally bizarre, is all of the praise for Demarte. I had an extremely bad reaction to her and her body language and facial expressions. She is the ultimate embodiment of a female bully. For goodness sakes, it’s okay for her to be biased for the prosecution, but they keep attacking Alyce Laviolette and Dr. Samuels? What?
        I can’t even describe how revolting I found Demarte. She flatly stated that Jodi was lying. How is that okay? She decided this, and who made her God? She acted like she was going to solve everything for everyone and fix the trial the way she wanted it.
        I don’t get how anyone can say she was “professional” “objective”, etc. etc. She was sickeningly biased for the prosecution.
        When LaViolette apologized to Jodi for reading her private journals, etc., to me she was the epitome of a respectful person. She had not pre-judged Jodi as guilty. She assumed her to be innocent, as required by law. Any decent person would think to apologize to any person upon reading their private journals.
        I am sick of all of those people who think that all people are not owed basic respect. Just sickened.
        It accounts for the atmosphere that provides tacit approval of abuse of women that is rampant in our society.
        Not to mention, that Mormonism is an extremely patriarchal religion; everything is very black and white with no gray areas. In my opinion, they are essentially abusive to women since they start out with the assumption that women are inferior to men. That’s a whole book though, that subject.
        In addition, I have done quite a bit of reading on Borderline Personality disorder. There are quite a few experts who believe it is merely long-standing, untreated PTSD, or, Complex PTSD.
        The nerve of Demarte to discount whatever she felt like arbitrarily in order to reach the conclusions that she wanted to reach.
        The whole thing is crazy. No, I am not just a “Jodi supporter”, I am a person who thinks carefully about things before I accept them as truth. I can’t stand people who just follow popular opinion because it makes them feel better about their own lives.
        I think a lot of the lynch mob mentality comes from a lot of self-righteous fundamentalists, who are not very capable of critical thinking in the first place.

  24. I just don’t know anymore…. there are just too many people ass deep in this….. I know for me personally I would not have invested this much time this trial if I didn’t smell a rat someplace.

  26. I suspect that many of those haters out there consider themselves good Christians. But they certainly don’t ever ask themselves the question: “Would Jesus behave this way?”

    • I am one of those readers who came here where it could be safe to think differently and to ask questions that would illicit different responses than the masses. And I have ALWAYS asked, “how WOULD Jesus act?” Pretty sure it WOULD NOT be like those ready to put her to death!!

      • thanks mommabear. It amazes me how many people with just drink the kool-aid without using critical thinking skills…

    • Well, I am one of those “good Christians’. guess you just an’t put peeps in a box because I am on
      team Jodi all the wayl i’ve ben through my share of abuse from childhood and two marraiges, and once had a butcher knife sailed across the room at my head. (it missed!) and I understand how months and years of being knocked down, called names, expected to engage in acts that hurt and are degrading, seeing him planning a trip with another woman, yet still dating (?) Jodi….pressure can builld so slowly until it reaches the boiling point when a woman just an’t take any more. And sometimes we can just lose it and “go crazy” (so to speak) to fight badk and not take it any more. Real christians are not “religious”, and judgmental, only the phony ones are. I am seriously prayed for Jodi to get off and be able to start a new life somewhere where she will be safe. Please tell her she is in my prayers as well as the Juryl

      • Sorry, T. I certainly didn’t mean to imply that all “good Christians” are like these people. I was only speaking about those who do not see the hypocrisy of considering themselves good Christians and then spewing hate, an act I would expect to be contrary both to Jesus’ behaviors and his teachings.

  28. Was watching the HLN murder stories, and the Dad did an honor killing of the daughter. The ME Phillip Birch
    said that when someone’s being stabbed, they are wiggling around a lot. The wounds were close together and the father wasn’t strong enough to hold the girl still so the mother helped out.
    The post by Phillip was impressive.
    The stab to the neck under the ear suggests military or combat knowhow.
    Have to watch hln mysteries before that awful Graceless McNasty comes on again.

    • Yeah that was a Palestian family many years ago, they were mobsters or something Terrible story.

  29. Trying to post a test comment as I have tried to make a few replies and they don’t show up after I press Post Comment. The page just reloads and my comment isn’t posted.

  30. THIS alone can tell you a LOT about the MAN Chris Hughes he only FOLLOWS 16 people
    but has a WHOLE LOT OF SHEEP 3,592 following him the ones that follow false prophets
    follow in HERDS !! Obviously he is really active on TWITTER just lately? I find that strange
    since he does not FOLLOW many? but he is worried about JODI having 30,000 followers
    on that site I do believe. Funny Funny man he is WEIRD ! I have never cared for Snake Oil
    Salesmen though an he is one for sure. Only hoping to get more followers is all that is an SELL
    his LIES an maybe a few Legal Shield packages along the way hahaha
    @cshughes

    http://www.cshughes.com

    466 Tweets
    16 Following
    3,592 Followers

    • I almost feel physically nauseous when I see his face.He has such an off-vibe.

  31. I can’t get the day 50 jury questions video to make any sound, though other days work fine.

  32. I have a question Since I don’t have a computer at hand I cannot look it up
    when did Travis join ppl? What did he do before they at?

    I’m willing to bet my last dollar That Travis was molested as a child.

    • I think so too. All his childhood pictures he looks disturbed to me. Only a few
      have a true smile in them. But he also was the type that for being such a
      funny guy like they say all the time. Tried to pose very seriously for the
      camera a lot of times I noticed. In most Jodi has a genuine smile an Travis
      has a serious or fake looking smile. Just my opinion though.

        • I agree with both of you.Most of TA ‘s photos look weird as opposed to Jodi who always smiles naturally,as if she feels comfortable in front of the camera.He either makes strange/funny faces or has his eyes bulged on purpose.It could be his innate narcissism,he was trying to steal the thunder of whoever was with him in the photo.Or,maybe he thought this to be funny although I believe this shows he was extremely insecure or uncomfortable being photographed(remember Jodi mentioning to Florez that Travis would never agree on being photographed in the shower?Maybe she made this up during interrogation,idk).

    • Good good good question. I think Travis was recruited to PPL in about 2001 if I remember correctly, based on what Chris Hughes said (I haven’t re-listened to it). I don’t think we have ANY idea what Travis did before then. He was 23 at that point. Presumably, he worked before that time. I don’t remember anyone saying he had a college degree. In fact, he went to the college (I think it was Utah State or Brigham Young) and pretended to be a student to score girls. (Where does this come from? I actually, don’t remember.)

      I have been reading again the books, etc., that I have used to understand what makes/creates an abuser. I really really want to create a blog post. But I’m so scared about creating anything that would allow haters to then contact my ex. It would be waaay too long for me to post here. But I can say it doesn’t take (although it might have existed) molestation for Travis to have become an abuser. All the evidence is there of (a) a father who made him feel shamed and/or (b) a distant mother (addicted to drugs) during his formative months (10-24 months) which left him incapable of a real intimate relationship with a woman and constantly relating his experience with his mother not being there when he needed her as something he re-experienced in his relationships as an adult with any woman he dated.

    • There is not much out there. After he graduated from high school, he served two years as a Mormon missionary.

      Sometime after that he moved to Mesa, AZ.

      • I remember reading, more than a few times, that at the very beginning of the trial one of Travis Alexander’s bosses from before PPL and Mesa appeared on Nancy Grace or one of those shows. The old boss said that Travis had a very bad temper. The people who posted about it thought it was typical of HLN that they wouldn’t ask the guy to appear as a guest ever again. I’ve been looking for that show on youtube ever since.

    • This picture makes me so sick and sad, it looks like a pic of my ex and our kids a month before he nearly killed me, I lived for those happy days, treasured them and for the most part they outweighed the bad that I did everything for him and to him to keep him happy and not mad at me. I didnt think I deserved anyone better, he had convinced me I was crazy, jealous, slutty when it was him, just like Travis, he beat Jodi down and called her all of these things because that was really him and he hated that part of him and was so afraid Jodi would tell everyone that he was not the perfect virginal Mormon man that he had to lay the ground work for the day she smartened up and got away and told her story. Well, her story is being told now and his friends and family do not like, I sure wish it had not gotten out this way but it did and I surely hope another life is not lost because of this damaged relationship

    • Oh wow, TA seems to sport man b**bs. Noticed that in the shower pic where his shot is taken from below the shoulders sitting in the shower.

  34. I was thinking about something today. My fiance is Italian and has very black black hair. At 37 years of age, he has started to have some grey come through. It’s a particular contrast from his dark dark black black hair. Periodically, throughout the time we’ve been together (a year and a half) he has dyed his hair. When his grey starts to show a lot, and usually right before he gets a haircut, he dyes his hair to hide the grey. Most especially before summer starts, when he generally gets a shorter haircut than usual, he always dyes his hair. The shorter haircut reveals more grey than his other haircuts.

    I guess what I’m getting at is that he usually has a reason to dye his hair. He doesn’t just dye it, or the sake of dyeing it. He doesn’t just dye it on a whim. He’s a guy.

    Now, me, I’m a woman. I’ve been “dyeing” my hair since I was 19. I’m 47 now. I say “dyeing” because I didn’t actually “dye” all my hair. I have naturally blonde hair, but I got highlights, lighter highlights. I didn’t just make an appointment for highlights because I had something coming up that was important, like a staff photo — although I might have. I made an appointment to refresh my highlights regularly every 10-12 weeks because by that point in time, my highlights would show outgrowth. If I had something coming up where I would be photographed, I might make the appointment on the earlier end of that scale (10 weeks) before any significant outgrowth showed. Whereas, if I was busy with life or had trouble getting an appointment, I might wait until the end of that scale (12 weeks). I rarely, if ever, waited any longer than that.

    About a year ago during the crux of my ugly divorce from my abusive husband who did not know where I was, but had learned during a court hearing (from my stupid lawyer) that I worked in DC, I was approached as I entered a train station and a man put his hand under my jacket in the back and actually touched a portion of my breasts (I have large breasts and I’m very very short 4’11”). Reaching around my back, it is not difficult to touch my breasts. The man who did this discarded his cap and shirt in the garbage at the train station and existed the train station. He was never caught. I subsequently discovered that he had implanted a tracking device on me. I became very afraid. While I couldn’t prove it, the only explanation I could draw from what occurred was that my husband was trying to track me down. I decided to dye my hair much darker than it has ever been. It has been difficult, at times, to keep up with. I have a significant amount of grey, much of which has come about from stress. Also, because the outgrowth shows much faster, revealing both the grey, and my naturally dark blonde colour (which has darkened from age), I have to touch up my roots every 4-6 weeks.

    The night before last (Thursday), my fiance came home with a package of Just For Men. When I got home from work yesterday, I could see some signs in the bathtub/shower area that he had dyed his hair while I was at work, and before he went to work. When he got home last night, his hair was very black, with no trace of grey. Today, he went to work earlier than usual (he is a restaurant manager). I asked why he was going in so early and he said because they were having a photographer come out to do a staff photo for the website. I said “Oh that’s why you dyed your hair?” He asked me how I knew he had dyed his hair and I said, no, I knew because of the evidence. “Evidence?” he asked. I said yes, I saw the package of Just For Men, I saw the telltale signs in the shower, and I saw him last night with markedly darker hair and no trace of grey remaining.

    That got me thinking about JM dying his hair and that’s why I’ve laid all this out. Throughout most of the trial, he had a great deal of grey showing in his hair. In fact, one could reasonably refer to him as a guy with “salt and pepper hair”. He didn’t dye his hair for the beginning of the trial, knowing he was going to be on TV daily. Suddenly, after he realized he had a “fan club,” which occurred well into the defense case, long after Jodi testified, he dyed his hair.

    Contrast that with Jennifer Willmott. At the start of trial, she appeared with brown hair, with lovely lighter brown highlights. There is not a great deal of contrast between her natural colour and her highlights, however. They are a couple of shades lighter, but certainly not blonde. I would assume that perhaps she highlights her hair frequently, as I did when I was a blonde. Or, she decided to highlight her hair before the trial. Either way, I would assume that she had her highlights done before the start of trial, knowing that she would be on camera. She wanted to look her best. This is similar to my fiance wanting to look his best for the staff photo.

    However, as time has gone on, and the trial has been ongoing now for 4.5 months, Jennifer has not returned for touch up on her highlights. In fact, you can actually see outgrowth in her highlights. By this point in time, the outgrowth is pretty significant. You can actually see the demarcation line. She’s still on camera. She’s a beautiful woman, a glamourous woman, a woman who takes care of her appearance. But she hasn’t had her highlights touched up. She has obviously had her nails done (check the red tips in last week’s trial video). Nail treatments take about 30-45 minutes. Highlights take significantly longer, sometimes 2-3 hours. I don’t see huge growth in Jennifer’s bangs (fringe for our non-American members) during the trial. I also have bangs, and they grow really quickly and require cuts. Therefore, I can assume Jennifer has returned to her stylist for regular bang trims. It would not be unusual at all for her to have touch ups to her highlights during this lengthy period of time. I would think it would be part of her normal upkeep, her maintenance. But she hasn’t retouched her highlights, why? Lack of time?

    JM, a man who may or may not have dyed his hair previous to the trial, but we know he dyed his hair as black as could be during one point a couple of weeks ago, after he learned he had a fan club. He did not, in preparation for the trial, have the vanity to dye his hair at all. Even knowing that he would be on TV daily. Jennifer did get new (or touched up) highlights before the trial, but she hasn’t kept up with them. She has, however, had her bangs trimmed. As a person with bangs, I can tell you that when they get too long and before they reach a length when you could sweep them aside, it becomes annoying and virtually impossible to see through “too long” bangs. In fact, that has motivated me to get a bang trim many times. Or, even, much to the dismay of my stylist, to trim them myself.

    As men age, they become “distinguished” and grey hair often helps that perception. A little weight on a man, isn’t important, either. As women age (and Jennifer is close to my age), we become “middle-aged women” and keeping up our appearance, weight, hiding out grey, becomes very important.

    So, why, exactly did JM dye his hair at that point in the trial? What made it so important that he “appear” younger? He’s had a very successful career. He started this trial as a “distinguished looking” gentleman with “salt and pepper” hair (I know we don’t feel he’s “distinguished looking” now but think about how you first perceived him, if you can). I would have to assume if he wanted to look younger on camera, he would have decided to do that BEFORE the trial. If he suddenly realized during the trial that he was being watched on TV, and it might behoove him to look younger, why didn’t he dye his hair BEFORE Jodi’s cross examination? That was the point in the trial at which many people here (that joined us during her time on the stand — myself included — tuned in). So, what possessed him to do what he did (regarding his hair) towards the end of the trial, towards the end of the defense case, and long after Jodi testified?

    Did he expect a LOT more photo ops? Did he expect to win and have media interviews? Did he think therefore, it would behoove him to have a younger looking darker hair colour? I’m actually confused by this hair dye on his part. My fiance dyed his hair for a photo that will appear on a website. The customers in his restaurant might or might not have noticed his grey previously. He’s the manager. They see him from time to time throughout their dining experience. They know him. Sometimes, they even ask for him. But it’s not important to him that they see him as not having any grey. However, he doesn’t want to be portrayed on the website as a guy with grey hair. That’s reasonable. But JM let about 2/3 of the trial occur showing himself as a grey haired man before he decided to dye his hair, AFTER he learned of his fan club.

    My post here is not about guilt/innocence or the evidence in any way, obviously. It’s just an observation I’ve had about JM. Once that to me, seems strange. Just some thoughts.

    • I wondered if she might be pregnant, when there was that exchange between her & Jodi & Jodi had that huge grin on her face. Is there anything about not dying your hair if you are pregnant these days?

  35. Best news of the day for me……..I know it is the little things that make me happy!

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    that was just one but still ! hahaha

  36. I’ve posted this before but I am posting it again because I just want to mention that I also posted it (under a pseudo-facepage name) on “Only Idiots This Jodi Arias Is Innocent.” I was thinking we might possibly be able to engage in some intelligent conversation but, lo and behold, within an hour my post was removed and I was banned. Foolish me for thinking one could have an intelligent conversation with these people. Maybe I’ll try again on an HLN page (I would hope they wouldn’t ban me but who knows…)

    While the State is trying to convince the jury that Jodi’s story doesn’t make sense, in reality, her story makes much more sense than the State’s. Here’s what the prosecution would have us believe:

    That a woman of above average intelligence decided to drive 1000 miles to kill her lover and that the premeditated plan she came up with is as follows:

    1. Steal the murder weapon from grandparents’ house – just one week before the killing. (Surely no one will ever be able to make the connection.)

    2. Rent a car 100 miles away from home to avoid detection (but don’t forget to attract attention by quibbling over the color.)

    3. Drive down to Darryl’s house near Monterey and borrow gas cans so as to disguise travel route (rather than just buying cans along the way with cash because of course we can totally trust that Darryl will never mention the gas cans when the police inevitably come knocking on his door since the police will obviously be investigating all of Travis’ friends, including – and perhaps especially – me.)

    4. Drive over to Mesa and arrive at Travis’ around 4:00 am. (Note to self: Must find out when roommates might be home or could possibly come home.)

    5. Don’t shoot him immediately and quickly beat it out of town so as to avoid being seen or arriving suspiciously late at Ryan’s in Utah, who will, by then, be expecting me in approximately five hours. (Instead sleep the night with Travis and have sex with him so that my presence will be thoroughly imprinted all over the scene.)

    6. And be sure not to shoot him in the middle of the night while he’s sleeping. Instead wait until he’s fully awake and conscious (so that, in the name of all fairness, he can have an equal chance of killing me instead.)

    7. Before killing him, have him take photos of me – with time stamps. (Just need to be sure to throw the camera in the washing machine before I leave – rather than disposing of it along the way with the gun.)

    8. Do not drive directly to Utah up Highway 17 (even though already running quite late at this point) but rather make a detour over to Hoover Dam (maybe to take in the sights).

    9. And somewhere between Kingman, Arizona and Hoover Dam be sure to call several people on cell phone (so that there’s a clear record of my travels north out of Arizona – in spite of the reason for getting the gas cans.)

    Yes, quite the plan…

    • OK…interesting…I posted on http://www.facebook.com/HLN (under my pseudo-facebook name) and dang if it didn’t disappear! I can see it if I’m signed into Facebook under the pseudo-name) but from my actual facebook account it’s not there. Does anyone know what the administrators at HLN did so that nobody except the author can see the post?

    • Excellent post RB…hope the Defense Team uses your common sense logic and straight talk to drive home to the Jury how ridiculous the Prosecution’s “theory” is about this case. IMO there is no way a Juror using common sense could possibly believe this was a case of premeditation.

  37. AA Today it seems like we’re all pondering so very odd things. We seem to be going over things that just don’t make sense. Yes it was a very odd time for him to dye his hair. Perhaps or something and its private life going on. I say grab a glass of wine and let your mind wander.

    • Okay Cindy, I got a glass of wine. Sorry for pondering. It’s just that real life makes me think about stuff in this trial, these days. And I’m especially feeling bad about how women, in this country especially, seem to absolutely hate other women at times. I was thinking about something today. My friend, my real friend, one of the very few I have, and perhaps the only friend I still call a friend who has met me in person, said last night she saw me like a link on FB to save Jodi. She clicked on it too. And she was horrified by the language, by what was said. I can’t even read that crap on FB anymore. But I went to look at what my friend said I “liked” and I came across this quote by Madeline Albright:

      “There is a special place in hell for women who don’t help other women.”

      • AA~ I had to stop looking at those hate sites a few days ago when I realized how emotionally and physically sick at watching these horrific people try to “out hate and out insult and out threat” each other.

        Sometimes, I would hover over their names and see what they do in life and I saw teachers, social workers, and a lot of trailer trash. The filth that comes out of their keyboards is horrific.

        • Renee,

          I couldn’t agree more with you about the horrific things being said on the hate sites. I read some horrible lies last night before I went to bed that made be cry…… Souless, low self esteem pure hate……. I am sure their parents would roll over in their graves if they knew what there children were doing over this trial. 3/4 of them don’t even watch the trial, and know the facts. Sure hope there children are never in JODI’s situation…………… COWARDS…. and the money that they taking from people that are unemployeed, on social security is disguisting.

          • Yep. People are paying that site via Pay Pal left and right. It is one of the first posts you see, the one asking for money “for the Alexanders” Hope the IRS is on all this money SOMEONE is getting. I say someone, cause for all I know, it is going straight to that so-called Australian admin of that pathetic hate fueled site.

            • Chris Hughes also has it posted on his FB page. Guess if you send it through the mail Tanisha gets it, if you pay through paypal the ” Australian admin gets it” so it a win win for their team.

          • Renee and FUJuan,I personally rarely check the these sites anymore.I’ve spent hours crying my eyes out over their vile comments.Crying for Jodi’s sake,crying for all the darkess that threatens to swallow us,crying for what’s happened to humanity,compassion and objective kind of thinking…Reading countless times the classic”give-her-the-needle-already–comment,all the name calling,all the hypocricy etc ughhh it just made me (as I wrote in an earlier post )physically sick.People say she poses a threat and danger to society if she’s ever out,the same people who so thoughtlessly seek her own death!!Yesterday there was a comment on YouTube that ”she won’t last long” if she’s freed.I mean,wtf??Are people that stupid actually going around saying that someone’s gonna kill her??Guess it’s easier to write such coward words when you’re hiding behind a keyboard!

        • I had to stop watching HLN or Nancy Grace, especially Nancy because I would find myself flipping her off from the couch and that is not me and that is crazy but she is really such a horrible fake person, unleash the lawyers, and then the one who disagrees with her, talk over that one or take his or her face down. Then after all her ugly faces and ranting and raving, calmly and so digustingly fakely (I know, thats not a word) say – Goodnight Friends. I just want to hear both sides to help form an educated opinion but she edits out anything for the defense of anybody and only allows those that agree with her crazy self to get a word in edgewise, ugh. I just cannot stand her or the smug mugs on HLN except for those on in the daytime, they do allow both sides to be heard it seems, earlier in the day.

      • AA,

        I believe most of the hate on FB for the state comes from uneducated people who don’t even watch the trial judging by the questions they ask on that site. With DV being one out of every 4-5 women and they have 38k followers, there are many on that site that have been in JODI’s shoes. It’s easier to jump on the bandwagon with hate, people love ” drama” ” stir-up troubel” without facts and knowledge. This is very common among females….. they are caddy, condesending, back-stabbing, jealous, vindictive creatures.

        While I state that it brings me to another point…. The Donovan chick that is ” tweeting ” for Jodi, have a motive, and one that I believe is dangerous for JODI. I read on a FB page last weekend by a couple of family members this chick loves drama, and likes to destory people. I really hope JODI’s mom has a good head on her shoulders when Jodi walks FREE to keep this chick away from her daughter.

        As a friend of mine who’s a judge told me many years ago, the court systems is a vicious cycle for criminals, they repeat, and repeat again….. Never getting out the system I think this is very true with Donovan…… She needs to get the hell out of the court room, and off of the social media sites.

        As for Chris Hughes, it’s apperative that he’s the ” RING LEADER” and wants to stir up trouble and back track on his story about TA. ” Something is off with that boy, but I can put my finger on it” (Jodi Arias) famous words.

        And how the heck is this Thomas Brown that Phillip mentioned in this post ? I have read Flores report numerous times and it doesn’t mention this character. Is this the roommate that moved out without telling anyone?

        Cheers to your glass of wine…………

        • I’ve always felt that way about Donavan.There is something not right a about her. The twitter acct. was a bad idea and should be. closed, if she’s really her friend, .I noticed she wasn’t in. Court Thursday. I’d need to go ba k to see if she was there Wed. You can never trust someone you meet in jail. it’s like meeting someone in a bar and finding they over drink. A ,yeah duh

        • The twitter account for Jodi has been silent an the posts about Nasty DisGrace an JM were removed so I think Donavon is being very good about that. Hopefully they seen all the commotion about that an decided it was not a good idea.

          But I do like the thought of Jodi having over 30,000
          followers on Twitter it makes me feel like we are not such a minority in our thoughts about the case. Unless they are haters that are following ? but they are not twitting crap on that page an they could if they wanted too on the remaining tweets.

          • Rhonda-
            Most of Jodi’s twitter followers are the vile and hateful people that are on FB and book reviews. I think Jodi needs to keep a low profile until everything is done and over, and not give these people another forum.

            • I went through some of the followers an it is weird they are a lot of Business
              pages an some with nothing on the walls or private. But they do not bash
              on that wall at all I check it all the time.

              No way I would LIKE or add a Travis Supporter not even too spy I do not
              want anything to do with those people that slander people like they do.

              Still the TWITTER does really upset Travis Supporters as it has a lot of
              Followers as in 5 times more than Travis does on Twitter an it makes me
              laugh an laugh. Because on FB they rule there an I think they paid money
              for their LIKES I just have a feeling they did funny !

              IF you look at TWITTER JODI’S account has been very quiet not many
              tweets even on there at all.

              • @Rhonda- They DO bash on Jodi’s Twitter account! I follow that account and responded to one of the people bashing her, that’s how my account got suspended just 3 days after I created one. Too many of the haters following her reported me for the comments I made. One of, which, was in response to her tweet calling SJ an angel w/the link to this site. I commented that this place was my sanctuary and how I loved the people here. One of the bashing masses blocked me.

                When Jodi tweeted about her latest piece of art being finished and up for sale, the haters were all up in a fit.

          • Those tweets on NG and Martinez shouldnt have been posted in the first place,imho.Why give more fuel for heatred?Yes,those were removed but after the issue was brought up at court by Kermit.So if damage was caused,then it’s too late right?

        • I agree about Donovan. I’ve never read anything about her, it’s just a feeling I have.

          • Donovan, uses several different names on FB to stir up trouble according to her family that doesn’t want anything to do with her. Be careful on FB everyone. She’s up to something, and it’s not for the best of JODI.

            Crystal Minnick Rider donavan is with my sister who is in prison i dont speak to iether of them dovan is a evil person!!!! she tries and ruins peoples lives ..stay far away as you can

            Ny RaiderThe State vs Jodi Arias ~ Travis Alexander murder trial

            March 9 at 7:24am · ..

            Donovan Bering is in full throttle people, she/he has MANY profiles made up going on sites everywhere infilterating everyone’s face books,who allow them in as friends posting on people’s wall’s they are sleeping BE CAREFUL who YOU accept as a friend if you don’t want to wake up with accusations or passive aggressive accusations of Travis’s supposed pedophilia on your page..she/he is using a picture of a normal looking woman but keeps changing the name,then when you least expect it BAM, there’s is an advertisement about the pedophilia lies of Travis on YOUR OWN PAGE! BE CAREFUL who you allow on your page these days….if you don’t want to be used as a billboard for Jodi. I have seen it too many times now!! OBVIOUSLY THEY ARE GOING TO WORK HARDER TO FIGHT DIRTIER NOW, THAT IS what the devil does when he is losing…….GOD BLESS TRAVIS AND HIS FAMILY/FRIENDS!!

            • What ? I don’t think that is the Donavon? I don’t trust any of those
              people talking about each other. It reminds me of Bryan Carr where
              did he go ? HLN would stoop low enough also to do strange things
              in my opinion. The TWITTER PAGE is very QUIET now since they
              said not to be doing that an the old Tweets were removed.

              If anyone is doing weirdo stuff I would not put it past a Travis
              LOVER supporter to do something an blame it on Donavon
              either those people are horrid an send death threats an a
              lot of other horrible things. Actually they could pick any name
              off here an start some crap I would not put it past them.

        • FUJuan, I agrre with your post, about Donovan, etc BUT

          “This is very common among females….. they are caddy, condesending, back-stabbing, jealous, vindictive creatures.”
          has shocked me a bit.

          It is true that in experiments women have been found to show discrimination against women almost as much as men. And members of discriminated groups do show prejudice against their own, adopting the stereotype.

          But are not men just as “condescending, back-stabbing, jealous, vindictive creatures” among themselves? I think so. I don’t know what “caddy” really means, but I think it is only used to denigrate women ( cat-like?)
          Let not stereotypes take over.

      • She said this in relation to that quote? Sounds like a misunderstanding…don’t you think?

  38. I find the Hugheses to both be very unlikable. I wonder if the jury would agree if they testify.

    • I just don’t think the two of them have any credibility whatsoever.

      After all, they threw Jodi Arias under the bus on national television when we know from the emails how much they loved her.

      It’s all about the image and the bottom line with them.

      • Chris Hughes and his wife are gold diggers. I did some searching last weekend to realize it’s all about POWER and MONEY. Look at the houses these PPL/ Mormons live in, seriously, MONEY talks volumes with this clan.

        So what does Chris do, starts up a paypal for the TA family, and at least twice a week a huge post is made about helping these poor souls that don’t have any money and lost job time but are hiring 4-5 maids, numerous trips to Hawaii, Mexico, San Diego, etc…. shopping trips, eating at fancy resturants. Why not set up a fund for students or people that suffer from DV, Sexual Abuse, Addiction etc. Why, because they are all in this MAFIA clan together to make money off a a dead sibiling that they never even visited in AZ. Makes me sick…………..

  39. SJ, I love love love your post, especially the part you quoted from an earlier post by Vladimir Gagic. I so agree with you on so many parts of this post. But your statement that “a hung jury equates to Not Guilty” is not true. I’m so sorry, but it’s not, not in the US. In fact, it sucks in the US, and especially in a county like Maricopa county with a prosecutor like JM. Because it allows the prosecution to try this case again. Because a hung jury means that possible one of more of the jurors do not agree with the consensus. And often, when these cases are retried, the prosecution really knows their weaknesses and wins the second time. If Jodi is retried, it will be MORE prejudicial, not less. I don’t want that for Jodi. I want this jury to come back and find her “not guilty” of ANY charge.

    There is NO way the jury will find her guilty of premeditated murder one, in my opinion. NO FREAKING WAY. But, based on the evidence, I am 100% confident that lesser included offense will be an option for the jury. If they’re not, I hand it to you. Jodi will be acquitted. I have NO doubt about that. If the lesser included offense are included, Jodi will be found guilty of something, perhaps manslaughter. If I was on that jury, I would hang it until we convicted her of assault, but my particular views would exclude me during voir dire, so I wouldn’t make it on the jury.

    This isn’t Casey Anthony, as Jose said. It’s a very very very different case. We need to be prepared for Jodi being convicted of “something”. Even Casey was convicted of something.

  40. RB that plan makes perfect sense to me if your intention is to turn all attention on yourself so you become the only suspect they look at. And also I am sure she premeditated shooting him in the street in front of as many Arizona residents as possible so she could then deny it but I bet it was a quiet night when she arrived so scrapped that plan. JM and the State’s theory is about as crazy as it gets. They are all bonkers!!

    • Hi Gwen, They can put all the attention they want on the poster since I didn’t use my own name/information. I sufficiently afraid of those hateful misogynists that I would not expose myself to that. I was just hoping there might be one person out there that might be interested in discussing logic rather than just spewing hate. But, nooooooo…foolish foolish me!

    • Oh, Gwen…I re-read your post and realize you weren’t referring to me posting but rather the insanity of Jodi’s supposed plan. Sorry for my confusion…

  41. Hey SJ and everyone, Maggie aka Inconvenient Truths aka Sandra wanted me to tell everyone “Hi” and to keep up the good fight for Jodi…she is busy and doing it too!

    She has gotten threats from someone she is speaking with the FBI about and she has a video of the hate pages..good reference for complaining about them. (1 is rather graphic and grosses me out BTW)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gnBh4voHzU

    • THUMBS UP there are 262 views but hardly any THUMBS UP come on an help out y’all !

      • BeeCee…

        Someone is posting numerous entries on google attacking our website…the first two pages is full of negative entries…

        I usually type in this website on google search box and click on it…but I couldn’t find the website on google tonight …I had to get on the website a different way….

        Do the haters hate people that much???

        • truthseeker, I think it is because traffic is slow this weekend so without as many hits maybe it shows up later.

          There is probably a way a webmaster could make it so it shows up more but I wouldn’t know how they do that.

          Also, i noticed on some of those pages they are saying how much money this site could make…well do any of you see any ads??

          NO, SJ does not have ads on here that I see..

          those hater pages are just ignorant.

          • I read on another site how they had a goal of $500 donations for the Alexander family and as of the other day they have far exceeded their goal they now have over $5,000 so far for them…

            I haven’t read any haters complaining about that website asking for donations to send to the Alexander family…

  42. After reading several articles this afternoon about Psychology and Science, it amazes me that courts even allow psychologists to testify. There seems to be a lot of skepticism about their work.

    (1)http://www.arachnoid.com/trouble_with_psychology/feedback.html

    This article is quite long and the first part describes science and the scientific method so if this is familiar to you, you could probably just skim the first 1/3 (approx – sorry, no page numbers)of the article. The author appears to have a certain bias against psychology as he injects a few harsh personal criticisms against it but he does describe some major missteps in the history and present day state of psychology, e.g., “Recovered Memory Syndrome.” Author states Psychology and Psychiatry will likely be replaced by Neuroscience (study of the brain).

    (2)http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/finding-the-next-einstein/201206/can-psychology-be-considered-science

    More moderate article from Psychology Today but the author admits psychology is under scrutiny.

    On the lighter side, I watched a Youtube video called: “What is Borderline Personality Disorder (Mental Heath Guru). I didn’t include the video since it seems to be the same old stuff. I did learn one thing. According to this video, the following actresses/singers are or were thought to have BPD:

    Britney Spears, Amy Winehouse, Courtney Love, Lindsay Lohan, Angelina Jolie and Winona Ryder. Good to know.

    • Britney Spears was diagnosed with Bipolar Disorder, not BPD….. Angelina Jolie has been labled with BPD because she was a cutter ( self-injurer) and right now in the DSM that is the closest description for this behavior until the new DSM comes out where this is suppose to have it’s own criteria.

      It’s easy to label people with disorders when your a doctor, or psychologists or even psychiatrist because they need a PAYCHECK…. therefore they use the codes in the DSM….. This pisses me off to the bitter end that some of these professionals are so quick to put a label on a person because they are going through a difficult time in their life. Does that truly mean they have this disorder, HELL NO….. Remember this label is STICKED on your file…….. and can cause more harm in the long run. These professionals need to be more cautious when throwing out disorders like it McDonalds french fries……buy one get one free………….. In the end it destorys people, putting them on medications that are not necessary, labeling them falsely for a paycheck.

      • Here’s the problem with that though: When people are afraid of labeling and stigmatizing, then an awful lot of people out there do not get the help they need. And then you get tragedies like Sandy Hook Elem. This country is so afraid of mental illness, that treatment is only available in trickles and everyone wants to keep their own problems secret & keep their kids ‘safe’ by keeping them away from therapy and treatment. Knowledge is power.

      • FUJuan
        I have an off topic question which has been lingering on my mind
        To what extend is the pharmaceutical industry interested in the contend of the DSM ?

    • My feeling : the value of psychology is not so much diagnoses, but as a thinking tool that helps you to detach somewhat from very emotional situations, allowing you to analyse the possibilities properly.

      Self-analysis can be pretty helpful. When I’m thinking about a case, I try to identify dissonances, and to link them together to form hypotheses. A couple of links on cognitive dissonance theory:

      http://psychcentral.com/blog/archives/2008/10/19/fighting-cognitive-dissonance-the-lies-we-tell-ourselves/

      http://www.injusticeanywhereforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=151&t=2509

    • Look at these gals’ behavior compared to Jodi. I believe that Jodi has a mix of personality disorder stuff, but to identify her as full-on borderline is ridiculous to me. I was just reading up on PD’s in the personality disorder handbook for the DSM-IV. Casey Anthony probably had BPD, but except for a few things that match it does not fit Jodi to me. If she is BPD, she is a seriously underground one, IMO.. Where are her piercings, tattoos, bar-hopping, wild, risky party all the time behaviors? Her constantly changing relationships & interests? I don’t see it, she seems to be very self-contained, if anything emotionally removed, she has had the same consistent interests for most of her life. I had a much longer list, but I forget it now. 🙂

      • I don’t think that Casey is a BPD. Her psych evals showed no personality disorders at all. Casey is a sex abuse victim who created a fantasy world to protect herself.

    • I don’t know that I buy Angelina as a borderline. She’s pretty settled these days; a mom of six. I think she just had her “wild period” like a lot of celebrity’s kids (Jon Voight is her dad).

      Britney’s episodes appeared to be more schizophrenic in nature. I hope she’s continuing to do well.

    • IMO all these labels are used to give and test drugs on people instead of providing therapy to get people to face and alter their pattern of behavior that are detrimental to themselves or others.
      It seems that many more women are diagnosed with these labels when they are suffering from stress or abuse, so that they get to blame it again on themselves, on their own personality, their own genes, where the only remedy would be DRUGS.

      As I commented before, I never saw anything abnormal in Jodi’s pre-Travis behavior, except that she was unfortunate to live in an abusive household. She certainly could have used counseling to recover from that abuse. Since she did not get the needed emotional support from her family, it would have helped her to obtain normal self-respect and assertiveness, which would have strengthened her to avoid falling into Travis’s and his cult’s claws. She just was vulnerable, and Travis and his group immediately isolated her further from family, boyfriend and friends, ‘adopted’ her into their PPL-Mormon cult family. Travis is the one who destroyed her after programming her into his cult.

      The pre-Travis Jodi must have suffered from the Vulnerability Syndrome Disorder, which ALL children, MOST teenagers and MANY young adults suffer from…(tongue in cheek)
      Predators know how to pick their victims.

      • There are no drugs that target personality disorders at the moment. IMO, the best approach to helping someone with related vulnerabilities is to follow a basic plan of making life more stable and less stressful. Also introspection is key; know thy self.

        A helpful plan:
        Treat any problematic anxiety & depression with therapy & meds
        Work on a good daily schedule – regular meals, aim for good sleep, manage comorbid health problems
        Try to minimize addictions to smoking & alcohol; any other drugs
        Active levels of supportive social interactions, organized activities for helping others can be helpful.
        If possible, family therapy to help family members understand & accept the individual’s differences & blind spots.

  43. I have had to stop myself from posting on hater’s sites from my fb because I know they can’t be rational. It seems most of them are the type to go balls to the wall trying to call you out so they can get attention and create turmoil. Neanderthals!! But awhile back I couldn’t help but make a derogatory comment about After Dark on the HLN site, though nothing real specific, and to my surprise I got a few likes and agreements.

  44. I would like to restate that I dont believe that Jodi could have inflicted all that damage to TA.I think she is covering up for someone and that is a huge mistake,just look at her so called friends the HUGHES,biggest lying pair on the planet,sold Jodi right down the river.Jodi would have had an awefultime moving TA back to that shower,as she is quite petite and TA being fairly muscular,I am a fireman and I know what it takes to move people,it is not easy.Now lets throw in a detective that doesnt do his job properly and lies on the stand,a prosecutor that was charged in criminal court in 2002 for dirty dealings in a case and lets not forget the judge,she seems to be JMs buddy,overrules the defence before they even finish what they are saying and sustains all of JMs bullshit.The media has tainted the American public towards Jodi and a fair trial is the last thing she is getting,BUT IN SPITE OF ALL THAT,Ibelieve that she will walk,cant wait to see the look on that asshole JMs face when they deliver that verdict,hope the judge gets booted from her bench and Flores is a cop out on a beat again,serves them all right for the huge miscarriage of justice that they are conveying,LETS ALL KEEP UP THE SUPPORT FOR JODI,god bless and god speed Jodi.

  45. “Next to the body in the shower was a clear plastic cup which seemed out of place.” (Flores Report, pg. 4)

    Any thoughts?

    A sacrament cup, maybe?

    Does anyone know the connections the sacrament has with the Atonement?

    • It was to hold ice cubes… for a sex act… this isn’t at all unknown, and you can google it as it’s just beyond telling…

        • No this was not brought out in the trial. The cup was used to wash off the body … which was mentioned in the trial.

              • JM was walking Jodi through the clean up as it happened according to his ‘inside source’, Mz. Piggy (aka his own limited imagination) during cross examination and he is saying something about her trying to clean the bathroom floor of all the blood when he mentions the cup found by TA’s body in the shower. He says something about her filling that cup…stops and I think makes a snarky comment about her probably not remembering where she got the cup….whatever he says she interrupts him and tells him it was under the sink. He asks her to repeat what she said and she does just that. He then goes on to say she went and retrieved the cup and filled it with water then dumped the water on the floor in an attempt to wash the blood away. This was his explanation for why the floor was flooded in the bathroom. She didn’t really say one way or the other whether he was correct.

                I remember thinking when I was watching that part of her testimony that it wasn’t the best thing for her to admit knowing where that cup came from because, if she knew something so insignificant about where the cup she used to clean the floor came from, surely she was cognizant enough at the time to look there for it. Which, would mean she was cognizant when attempting her clean up and this would certainly obliterate the very small amount of credibility she has. However, I got to thinking about alternative reasons why she would know the cup came from under the sink and concluded it may be a cup TA kept there regularly and she was simply answering from her knowledge or recognizance of that.

                Now, I recently read some talk about a man by the name of Thomas Brown being a 3rd roommate living at the home during the time Travis was murdered. The article I read on BlinkOnCrime implied that the guy saw Travis at 4am when Travis received the call from Jodi announcing she was there because it quoted Thomas as saying he noticed Travis was “visibly shocked” to learn Jodi was there. He also reportedly said that Travis had been up all night performing some kind of spiritual protection rite. However, there is no mention of this 3rd roommate that I recall in the Floreport. Does anyone know what this is about or have more information?

            • Patti,

              I don’t know who’s theory it is about the cup, and personal think it’s irrevalant. Turning on the shower makes more sense to wash the body off. But then again I am not famiiar with the mormon religion.

              i just remember hearing it was used to in the bathroom. Not even sure it has finger prints on it. I will have to go look,…..

      • I dont recall hearing anything about ice and a se act. I beleive I heard it was what was used to wash off his body.

        • That just doesn’t sound right to me. Using a cup in the shower? Why not just turn on the shower and let it do it’s job?

          • Samr exact thought her,KD!
            Can you imagine washing him. all of the blood off of him with a cup of water?
            NOT common sense!
            Why Not just turn on the shower?

            • That is a good point. Plus, you would have to some how fill up the cup with either shower water (that would take forever) or run back and forth from the sink to the shower.

              Also, someone I have thought about is.. the picture of the cardboard box in the linen closet with water/blood wicked up the sides of the box suggests that there was a lot of water on the floor. I wonder if the shower was left on. I would guess it would have been since he jumped out and attacked her. I’m sure he didn’t take the time to turn off the water.. or had the water already been turned off for the photo shoot?

    • What are the spiritual or the ecclesiastical results that are to be expected from the doctrine of atonement? This is best explained by President Brigham Young:

      You are aware that when Brother Cummings came to the point of loving our neighbors as ourselves, he could say yes or no as the case might be, that is true. But I want to connect it with the doctrine you read in the Bible. When will we love our neighbor as ourselves? In the first place, Jesus said that no man hateth his own flesh. It is admitted by all that every person loves himself. Now, if we do rightly love ourselves, we want to be saved and continue to exist, we want to go into the kingdom where we can enjoy eternity and see no more sorrow nor death. This is the desire of every person who believes in God. Now take a person in this congregation who has knowledge with regard to being saved in the kingdom of our God and our Father, and being exalted, one who knows and understands the principles of eternal life, and sees the beauty and excellency of the eternities before him compared with the vain and foolish things of the world, and suppose that he is overtaken in a gross fault, that he has committed a sin that he knows will deprive him of that exaltation which he desires, and that he cannot attain to it without the shedding of his blood, and also knows that by having his blood shed he will atone for that sin, and be saved and exalted with the Gods, is there a man or woman in this house but what would say, shed my blood that I may be saved and exalted with the Gods.” (J.D. 4:219)

      ‘Before partaking of the sacrament, we are to prepare ourselves spiritually. The Lord emphasizes that no one should partake of the sacrament unworthily. That means we must repent of our sins before taking the sacrament. The scriptures say, “If any have trespassed, let him not partake until he makes reconciliation” (D&C 46:4). The Lord instructed His twelve Nephite disciples, “Ye shall not suffer any one knowingly to partake of my flesh and blood unworthily, when ye shall minister it; for whoso eateth and drinketh my flesh and blood unworthily eateth and drinketh damnation to his soul” (3 Nephi 18:28–29).

      http://ogdenkraut.com/Blood.htm

      http://www.lds.org/manual/gospel-principles/chapter-23-the-sacrament?lang=eng

      • Interesting, thx. Someone who was newly involved in this cult-like side of Mormonism, could hold beliefs like this close to them, especially if they have a psychological vulnerability in that area, as I believe Jodi did.

    • Apparently, they use small clear plastic cups in the LDS services. I was wondering if Jodi and Travis might have performed some sort of religious ceremony/service before he took a shower or during. Or, perhaps Jodi performed some kind of death service later. I know she washed his body after. The belief is that she was trying to wash her DNA off Travis’s body. But, washings and anointings are also conducted on behalf of deceased individuals as a type of “vicarious ordinance”.

      • You’re thinking of the vicarious Mormon baptism thing, but that’s not a death ritual. Mormons don’t have any interesting death rituals per se. In any case, it would be only Travis the priest performing whatever, as Mormon women never do anything of the sort except to wash/anoint other women in a full-on temple baptism ritual.

        I researched all this stuff back when they were trying to move the White House to Salt Lake City.

    • Mormon sacrament isn’t Christian Sacrament, and Mormon blood atonement isn’t Christian Atonement. So whatever connection between Sacrament and Atonement might be, the Mormons don’t have between sacrament and atonement. It takes a professional trained clergy to come up with ideas like that, not a bunch of businessmen with expensive suits and tight haircuts.

            • I think a full discussion of Mormon theology would be off topic. But if you’re going to work that hard, go for the Handbook of Instructions, Book 2 (the secret one reserved for internal use which you can find online anyway). They don’t take their Brigham Young neat anymore.

            • It’s true, both what I posted, and that I didn’t read your link. Wikipedia isn’t information, not by any stretch. Geebee2 kinda found that out, if you’d been following the story on this site closely.

              The leadership positions in Mormonism are (at least, with more in history or fringe practice): bishop, evangelist, high priest, member of Seventy, patriarch, apostle.

              Think about it for a moment: they ordain “elders” at 17 or 18 and then send them away on missions. What regular old neighborhood church is going to allow teenagers into anything like a real leadership position?

              • In this case, I don’t care about the truth of the Mormon church, I care about what Jodi believed was the truth, through her own reading or what she had been told by TA.

  46. what is the point u r trying to make? and who knows who washed him off? Jodi doesn’t remember. I also wonder how she managed to accomplish all she did after the incident occurred and before the roommate came home..try to clean up,wash Travis,do laundry,load and run dishwasher ..and and her saying she came ba k to awareness in the desert w blood on her hands makes no sense either if she did all that clean up.

    • I was wondering if anyone had any ideas about the clear plastic cup found in the shower beside Travis’s body. Detective Flores thought it was important enough to include in his report and said the cup “seemed out of place.”

      It’s been suggested here tonight that it was used to carry ice cubes for a sex act. But, if it’s the type of cup I think it is, it would probably only hold one ice cube, maybe not even one. It was also suggested tonight that it was used to wash Travis’s body after he was dead. Again, the cup is very small (I think). Since we don’t have an actual photo (that I know of), it could be as small as a thimble or perhaps the size of a Dixie cup. I think, the church of LDS uses both sizes.

      Someone else today suggested Travis was performing some kind of ritual or something that day and the person who mentioned it on this site was asking for more information.

      Several people have mentioned here is the last few days that the cutting of Travis’s throat many have been a desperate act of Atonement for Travis “to make restitution for his sins.”

      Usually, people on this site discuss ideas, not dismiss them.

      • Maybe if he brushed his teeth in the shower (some people do) maybe it held mouthwash

        • I brush my teeth in the shower. I struggle to remember when I started that ritual. I was in my 20s and if I recall, correctly, I was doing laundry and met a guy in the laundry room and started chatting with him about stuff. I went to his apartment for a drink, went to the bathroom and noticed his toothbrush in the shower. I made a joke about “Do you have teeth in odd places?” He explained that he brushed his teeth in the shower. I thought it was rather clever and started doing the same thereafter and have done so ever since. When my fiance moved in and noticed I did that, he also thought it was clever and now, he brushes his teeth in the shower too.

      • I believe if you look at the crime scene photos you can see the cup in the shower.

          • What’s up with the cup…… it’s totally irrevalant. It doesn’t prove anything.

            • Thanks, FUJuan,

              I guess Flores and I were the only ones that thought it might mean something.

              • Flores’ threshold for relevance is low, he being only an observer. Had it been a can of aerosol whipped cream, we’d have no mystery. A lemon slice, and Travis was doing his complexion. The cup, now… the bloody cup is certainly more interesting than even Flores picked up upon.

          • Here the “cup” in the shower: (scroll down the page)

            http://mydeathspace.com/vb/showthread.php?10763-Jodi-Ann-Arias-shot-and-stabbed-her-ex-boyfriend-Travis-Alexander-to-death/page269

            In Canada, we would call that a plastic glass, average size (180ml, probably). Our cups have handles and are not as tall as a glass usually.

            So a glass this size could hold ice cubes for sex or washing a body (although I would have gotten a pot of something larger – for the washing, that is).

            Thanks everybody.

              • Wow that blog …. “I myself have plotted the death of a few men in my day. I was sure at the time that they had it coming. However, my plan always stopped in the planning process.”

                I dated several jerks before I got married to my ex. In my 20s, I was gorgeous. I didn’t realize it, but apparently, a lot of guys did. I was used for sex. I was used as an arm piece by guys who thought it was great to have a hot blonde with big boobs on their arm. I often felt like I was nothing other than eye candy to them. Some of them told me that I wasn’t supposed to have a brain when I looked the way I did, and that was a problem for them. It really annoyed me how a lot of guys treated me back then. In fact, I have a section in one photo album that I went so far as to label: “The jerks of 94”. That was almost 20 years ago now, and I’m old and fat and won’t have to worry about being treated that way ever again. But …

                I can honestly say that I NEVER once thought about killing them or even hurting them in any way. I was mad as hell at some guys, especially the ones who cheated on me and used me. I called my girlfriend and we dissed them and called them names, for sure. But plotting their murder? NEVER. It NEVER happened. We might have hoped they failed at something they were trying to do. But ultimately, after we talked it all out, about all the jerks we both dated, we usually ended up wishing them well. It just wasn’t worth doing anything else. But we never plotted their murder or even thought about them dying.

                Therefore, I totally resent the implications of the author of that blog.

      • Travis would have been able to hold his own communion service (or baptize Jodi for that matter), since the Mormons ordain priests at 14 to 16 years of age. But it’s not close to anything you’d do naked and in the shower – a Mormon would be shocked, even though they do bare-under-a-sheet washing and anointing at baptism. Moreover, sin in Mormonism is a big, big deal handled (by bishops and) entirely separate from the notion of communion and personal autonomy or relationship to God. So that all seems really inappropriate, if not incongruent to their views.

        But here’s yet another idea: Take as fact there’s blood atonement going on. Take, too, that Jodi is/was/will be in “flight mode”, which was once properly called “fugue state”, and from which you lose all sorts of psychological information when you insist on the English word. Take as fact that boyfriend past had gotten her into witchcraft, the hardcore stuff rather than the Wicca chick posturing. There’s blood; there’s a cup; there’s a witch. And there’s dissociative fugue behaviour…

        Vampirism, anyone?

            • Store bought mouthwash comes with a little cap/cup. Maybe the cup wassn’t big enough for him? Maybe he used mouthwash and gargled several times. Or maybe he made his own mouthwash. Water and baking soda. I do that. It’s actually excellent mouthwash. Just water and baking soda.

      • coldcase…

        just an insight…

        I have four bathrooms in my house…and it would be difficult for me to clean and rinse each of the four bathtubs if I hadn’t installed hand held shower heads in each tub…(the hand held shower head eliminates the use of having to have a glass to rinse out the tub…)

        Mine are kinda like this one shown…

        http://www.bedbathandbeyond.com/1/1/35902-moen-enliven-handheld-showerhead.html

        I believe that Travis’ shower did not have the hand held shower head that would have made it easy to have rinsed him off…I believe that the clear hard plastic glass was used to rinse his body…(maybe Travis used this hard plastic glass for rinsing his mouth after brushing his teeth and it might have just been sitting on the bathroom counter prior to being left in the shower)…

        note: many people keep a glass on the bathroom sink counter for the purpose of rinsing their mouths after brushing their teeth and for gargling…a lot of people do not use the disposable 3 oz bathroom cups in their bathrooms for that purpose…

        • Thanks, Truthseeker1111,

          Good information.

          If I was a detective and saw a plastic glass in the shower beside a dead body, I would have collected it for testing. First of all, I wouldn’t have any knowledge why the glass was in the shower. Had the victim or the killer drank out of it? Was there any DNA on the glass? What had the glass contained? Water, mouthwash or perhaps a drink containing a sedative? Perhaps, Flores did collect the glass. I know it was still the shower stall after Travis’s body was removed. Also, the toxicology screen did turn out to be negative. Had it shown a sedative in Travis’s system, that might have looked bad for Jodi, as it would look like she had drugged him to make him an easier target. Of course, it would be difficult to prove she gave it to him but just the jury hearing a positive toxicology screen would be damaging.

          Anyway, I’m glad I brought up the subject of the glass in the shower although I know it wasn’t appreciated by some. To me, everything in a scene where someone died is important and I don’t like to jump to conclusions. Police always ask the public to report things about a killing “even if you don’t think it’s important.”

          • I helped with a homicide case a few years ago…I went over the crime scene evidence on a white board…I naturally focus more on the little things…and it was the little things that everyone else was overlooking that eventually helped build the case…they told me that I was an abstract thinker…and that abstract thinkers make good investigators…LOL…

      • I read on another site just the other day that there was one drop of blood found either in or near the downstairs bathroom…

        Can someone verify if this is true or not?

    • good point, if she had done any amount of clean up, her hands would have gotten clean just from the process. Or she would be tracking blood everywhere. What always has bothered me, is how do you do a clean up and not rinse out the sink?

  47. So, Jodi is still in the Mormon cult?(I don’t mean to insult Mormons, but I truly fear this strange entity) Is it true that she has Mormons visiting her twice a week, and tweeted a Brigham Young quote recently?

    Is there any way they could be intimidating/ threatening her? Sorry, my conspiracy and and alcohol fuddled brain is running rampant….

    😎

    • Yes and yes Renee! One of the cult leaders still visits her in jail, and she is still brainwashed by them, apparently 🙁
      When I read the tweet I was so PISSED!! The way I would be if she were my sister. I wanted to SHAKE the shit out of her and tell her to pull herself together!
      Hopefully she will get the hell away from them. I cant believe her attorneys would allow it.
      Maybe I’m off base, I just feel a panic attack coming on every time I think about it.

      • I think Darryl B. was the best of all Jodi’s boyfriends except that he was marriage shy because of his recent divorce. I put weight on what he says about Jodi’s character, and he said that she was loving, caring, good hearted, and that she CHANGED when she started getting involved with the Mormon religion and Travis. Jodi’s father also said that her “strange” behavior had been for the past year and a half, which is when she got involved with Travis and the Mormons. So…I really think she should become a Methodist or something. LOL

        • Darryl B. also describes Jodi as very responsible, and that was the biggest change he saw in her after Travis and the Mormons. She became less responsible.

          • And think about this .. she was a young girl, but she and Darryl bought a house together. They came up with the down payment which was hefty and she paid half the mortgage, and while Darryl was unemployed, she paid it all. The mortgage as over $2000 a month. She was a waitress primarily, but also did a couple of other jobs on the side. That’s a lot of money per month. I live in the DC area and my rent right now isn’t over $2000, but it’s not far from it, for a small 2-bedroom apartment. People in other parts of the country, even parts of CA where everything is more expensive, or NY, where everything is outrageous, think my rent is outrageous, but it’s the cheapest I could find in this area and still live in walking distance from the train as I don’t drive. And this is many years later. Jodi and Darryl somehow paid that more than 7 years ago. She was only a girl in her early 20s then. I couldn’t have afforded that at that point in my life. She was super responsible for a girl her age. She was obviously very together and really disciplined to be able to pay that much money. Travis was THE worst thing that EVER happened to her and I really wish he hadn’t happened in her life. I really do.

            • I agree! He was the worst thing that ever happened to her!! And it’s true, what you point out, that Jodi was really remarkably responsible. Not only was she only in her twenties when she did all that, she was also without even a high school diploma. So she did pretty well.

              • DB testified that Jodi just stopped paying her half of the mortgage suddenly, saying she didn’t have the money. Yet, there are journal entries of hers detailing the many times she had to give Travis money for one reason or another. In January of either 07 or 08, Jodi gives Travis almost $1,000. She writes about being very upset because she gave him the last of her money to calm him one time and, as a result, she had to cancel a hangout session she had planned with some of her friends. Jodi also gave Travis some of her leads from PPL so he could meet the qualifications and win the Cancun trip.

      • My worry is more that she gets off with self-defense & then as soon as she has an opportunity, she kills herself. That would be a terrible hollow victory after all this. She seems too peaceful through all of this, like she has made a decision sometimes. Not always, she shows some emotions, but I still wonder about such a contingency. I would feel very bad if that were to happen.

        • That worries me too. But then I think, when there are so many people wanting to see her dead, and after escaping DP, free, survival will kick in. Usually when other people want to see you dead, you want to live.

      • Kmiller,that makes 2 of us.Jodi is so bright(hey,even her IQ scoring verifies that)but is still unable to detach herself from that cult.I dont even think she has realized that it was indeed a cult she was talked into and consequently brainwashed.The value mormons put on family bonds must have been one thing greatly appealing to hergiven that it wassomething she really missed and wanted to find in life but she could have easily have found that outside the mormon ‘beehive” in my opinion.

        • I have a mormon family 2 doors down from me. They are the nicest people in the world! I moved here 15 years ago and not once have they or any of their kids come to my door trying to shove their religion down my throat. They do, however, help me if I need my leaves raked or snow shoveled and she brings me homemade goodies every year at Christmas. He is a bishop and I know this because I have accidently received their mail before and there were tithings addressed to Bishop…

          On the other hand I knew a girl from way back when we went to school together, she was brought up mormon but got away from it as an adult. We started hanging out again a few years ago after a high school reunion. Anyway about a year later, she and her husband both got hurt and needed help. She decided to call some elders from the church to help them for some reason. Next thing you know she is back to going to church, feeling guilty for asking them for help no doubt. It didn’t take long before she was acting different and got so weird that after a few months I dissolved the friendship. I haven’t spoken to her since but I saw on FB she and her family were sealed in the temple in Feb.

          So just saying there are really good mormons out there, they are not ALL cultish (if that’s a word, lol)

          • That makes a lot of sense to me. I love the ‘The 7 Habits of Highly Effective People’ series of books, written/started by Stephen Covey. He is a Mormon and seems pretty normal and insightful to me. On the other hand, some of the things I have learned on this site, show some really cult-like groups within the Mormon religion.

    • Renee,

      Until the jail offically releases a list of vistors , I don’t believe this……… People can SPECULATE all they want. Remeber in the CA trial, they released a list of her visitors and items she was buying in jail. We haven’t seen that with JA.

      As for the tweeter account, I believe Donvoan is on a mission ( destructive). Maybe this Donovan chick things because she was in jail with Jodi for a short time, that she will get a book deal, or some interview for money. It’s obvious she doesn’t have a job……. I also thought that ex cons where not allowed to have contact with those in jail. At least that is how it works in my state.

      • I was hoping one of the *haters* would find Dono-man’s parole officer and have her picked up on violation for all this. She’s going to sink Jodi if it’s the last thing her fat ass does.

        • No, the haters have harassed enough people. If Donovan is on parole, then let her parole officer decide if her Twitter activities are allowed or not.

      • she is also been seen on camera and by courtroom observers to be sitting next to Jodi’s family on the same row in the courtroom…

      • I agree this tweeter account is not her smartest move and should have been stopped for her own sake. But who could have stopped her? I am sure her defence team doesn’t like her tweeting

      • I think Donavan was charged with a crime, but I don’t believe she was convicted. I haven’t been able to find that. Pansy Disgrace loves to talk about her as a convict, but I’m not sure she is. Just because you’re charged with a crime and do time while awaiting trial doesn’t make you a convict.

      • I dont know if Donaavan is after a book deal.She was diagnosed with a terminal illness,god only knows her true motive I guess.

    • I think I will join you in fuddled state here shortly as soon as these kids fall to sleep 🙂
      Then I will tell you all about why this “boston bomber” story stinks to high heaven!!
      (not really, I will stick to the theme of the website, but feel free to find out for yourself if you don’t already smell the shit)

        • Well a quick summary would be that our “gub-ment” is on a mission to scare American citizens into giving up our rights. It will be considered necessary for the government/police to take these rights away so they can protect us from these SCARY terrorists.
          This story is NOT adding up for me so far, and the boys parents have said (of course it’s not being echoed by our reliable news stations) that their sons have been set up. The Mother states the boys were both aware they were being watched by FBI/CIA. The news said that was because they were suspected to have ties to a terrorist group, but were cleared, but other foreign intelligence insists the boys were on the FBI payroll. Go figure (under wear bomber).
          Anyway, Fox was quick to point out last night, “this is only the beginning, this is a NEW type of terrorist threat, right here on American soil” Does that sound familiar? The same way 911 gave us a license to invade countless countries in the name of “terrorism”.
          The FBI has already made it perfectly clear that this investigation will be kept hush-hush, in other words this kid is going to take the blame no matter what, his side will NOT be heard. Who cares what his side is anyway. From the sound of the clapping, cheering, and yelling “GO AMERICA!, WE GOT EM!!” on the streets of Boston last night it sounds to me like Americans are plenty ok with the idea that an accused person is automatically GUILTY as charged with no trial. Forget the fuckin TERRORISTS, for me, THATS the scary part, America believes everything they are spoon fed by the news and the government.

  48. Hi All! I’ve been peeking in here and there in between weekend fun. My husband is out of town for work, so having all the kids by myself has really taken away from my computer time. Anyway, I just wanted to point out a HUGE inconsistency in this whole “story” (if you will). It has been talked about, but I’m not sure if we have gone in depth about the room mates and if they knew Jodi was there or not.

    As far as I know Jodi testified that she never saw or spoke to a room mate. We also have this roommate,
    Thomas w ho states that Travis was surprised that Jodi showed up that night. The ONLY time frame he could have discussed this with Thomas was while Jodi was there.

    SO, did the “first one the scene” friends who called were not aware that Jodi had in fact been at TA’s house, why would they suspect an x-girlfriend who moved to California two months prior? It makes absolutely no sense! If they DID know she had been there ( and at least ONE person did) why pretend they didn’t?

    We have gone over this plenty of times, but this SCREAMS setup!! I am so sick at this obvious railroading of Jodi. I will never believe that Jodi did this. I don’t believe she did any of it. I know her defense strategy, but that’s all I believe it is- a strategy.

    • Ahhh shit, too much Jägermeister with the hubby to rationally answer this post. Please get my email from SJ, I wanna talk to you!

      😎

        • Did you girls get my email address from SJ a while back when we were asking about this before? I would love to chat with you ladies too. I’ve never received an email from SJ about it, so I’m not sure it happened. I know he said he sent something to you ladies. Maybe you don’t want to chat with me? That’s okay if it’s the case. I wouldn’t blame you at all. I was just wondering.

          • I have not either AA. I have only gotten Ashley’s email from here, but I would love to chat with you. Why the self doubt lately? You are one of my favorite people here as a matter of fact!
            Who cares if someone (can’t even remember who it was, who cares) mistook something you were saying a time or two. We have all had that happen.
            ANYWAY!! I will be happy to talk to you more about this, and anything else. SJ can give you my email, or he can give me yours either way I’m fine with it.
            I’ll keep my eye out. I haven’t checked I don’t think I have gotten Renee’s yet.

            • “Who cares if someone (can’t even remember who it was, who cares) mistook something you were saying a time or two. We have all had that happen.”

              Yes, this. It has happened to all of us. Sometimes words sound more harsh online than intended. And, in a place like this we are not all gonna agree every single time.

            • Kmiller, you asked “Why the self doubt lately?” Oh boy, is it showing? I guess I don’t hide things as well as I think. It has nothing to do with here. It’s about something going on at work. It has given me some insight into the way haters behave regarding this case though.

              There’s a girl at work who apparently hates me. I’ve known for some time that someone was running into my boss’s office and twisting my words, and it’s resulted in my boss calling me in and talking to me about what “people” have been saying. I mean, it’s really ridiculous things like I was talking to a co-worker who has pets about the price of medications and I said pet medications are often cheaper online and vets are required to give us a prescription. Another person overheard and asked “Well, what if those medications come from China? How do you know that if you buy them online?” This person who hates me walked by as this discussion was occurring and it got back to my boss as me encouraging people to buy their medication from India. That kind of ridiculous stuff.

              Recently, she’s been going around saying that I’m wearing what is obviously a glass or cubic zirconia fake engagement ring because who would ever want to marry an old fat woman like me. I’ve never been anything but nice to her and it’s bothersome to me she would say that. And also, that she’s the one who loves to run into my boss and complain about me. Because she sometimes works at the front desk and my boss wanted to make sure my ex never came into the office, his photo was circulated. Before I knew what this girl is like, she asked me about it, and I told her I was abused and scared of him. I’m having a difficult time with the concept that someone who knows a bit of what I went through would begrudge me being happy. But that’s the same hater mentality we see on those other sites.

    • Thomas was a former roommate. If you read that article on blink, those fb posts they show he wrote do not specify he was talking about June 4th. It is speculation on the blog owners part IMO.

    • I agree, I think his guy friends did not like her because they couldnt get at girl like her and his girl friends didnt like her because she was smarter and prettier than any of them and she was not mormon, She was shy and didnt talk much so they thought she was snotty or weird, its called shy. The video hit home where she was sleeping on his lap, not paying attention, I would do things like that in a large group where I felt uncomfortable and didnt know what to say, no one really knew her of his friends so they have no frame of reference to what she was really like and their words should not even be taken into consideration

      • Regarding the video, more than likely Jodi had heard that story dozens of times. He told this story during his motivational speeches. He liked to be the center of attention. She just being quite while he is BS with friend. Don’t listen to that hater crap.

        • Plus it was just a dream he had, right? HLN was playing it like it really happened to him.

    • The only information we have about what Thomas Brown said, as far as I know, is a post he made to a site while talking to a friend. Although it sounds like he’s talking about 4 AM June 4th, he doesn’t actually say so, and there is NO evidence that his story is true. The court has all of Jodi’s phone records and she made no calls at all on June 4th. Also, Thomas Brown wasn’t Travis’ roommate at that time. I think he was either a) talking about a date other than June 4th or b) his whole story is made up.

    • and don’t forget Zach…another roommate…he told Flores that Wednesday, June 4, 2008 was his day off work…he returned his car rental that morning…and returned to Travis’ house around 3 pm…then left Travis’ house around 4pm to go clean his girlfriend, Mandy’s house…then returned back to Travis’ house around 9pm…

      and then there was Enrique…who told two slightly differently stories to Flores…Enrique said the he talked to Travis that Wednesday morning, June 4, 2008 before Enrique went to work…and he said that Travis told him that he had not slept good…and that he was expecting a conference call that evening…Enrique went to work and returned back to Travis’ house between 6-6:30 pm…

      This is from the Detailed Breakdown report under the Flores report above link…it is easier to read timeline of what happened on a day by day of who was there at Travis’ house…and who said what…

  49. jade,
    excellent post!!
    Since reading your post I looked at the photo as you described and then also repostioned the lines in the floor tile to a horizontal position to get a accurate perspective on TAs shoulders. So I submit my Rorschach Test perception.
    TA has one of his attackers in a rear neck choke hold with his left arm and his right arm providing the leverage.
    Any other ideas out there?

    A common practice for prudent Police Depts is to check with local medical facilities for potentially having treated known or common injuries related to certain crimes. My question is given the likelihood that there must have been others injured in this attack, did Det Flowers contact area hospitals.

    • Yes, If Jodi had done this, there is no way she would have so little injury. There WAS a struggle, as obvious from the crime scene.

  50. OK, with the Thomas Brown unconfirmed statement/time line, then we have to go back to the assumption that the friends who discovered the body and called 911 were not aware (supposedly) that Jodi had been in town.
    WHY would they suspect an x-girl friend who had moved over 2 months prior?
    I know Travis claimed she was stalking, but did he claim these incidents were happening after she moved? This is a real question. Did the tire slashing/etc. happen after she had moved? Why id TA want people to believe Jodi had done all of those things? It sounds like he didn’t want them to know who really did it and why. He was in some deep shit with someone.

    • Yes. The tire slash happened after she moved. It is ridiculous to assume that she would drive 5 and 1/2 hours (11 hours back and forth) two nights in a row just to slash his tires! There would be no way she’d have time to leave work, get back to work.

      Additionally, whoever slashed the tires knew that Travis spent the night. (As indicated by that email Lisa received). If it was Jodi, (like the haters claim), then Jodi would have had to spent the night in Mesa too, in order for her to know Travis never left Lisa’s house. She would have missed work. But she did not miss work on either of those days

      • Also some people have said ( I have no confirmation to post off hand) that when TA mentioned being stalked/tire slashing he only said, “an ex girlfriend” and didn’t specify Jodi. Also, Jodi testified and told AL that TA said Deanna was crazy. He could have known it was Deanna, and even made it clear it was Deanna, but it was still put on Jodi by the cult who would never turn on their own. Did they just assume it was Jodi or did TA just blame it on Jodi because it was less taboo than speaking badly about Deanna. Was she the REAL person he was afraid of (or the people who she was associated with).
        So, what all do we know about Deanna. Do we know her family’s status in the cult?

        • I don’t know anything about her.

          I don’t know if she was really a stalker as Travis claimed, or if, she decided she and Travis had no future, broke up with him, and he was mad at her, so he claimed that he ended it with her because she was crazy.

          I think she apparently went to Travis’s once to get her stuff back. He also owed her money (apparently). Maybe she was contacting him to get it back, and Jodi knew that she was contacting him and found it odd, so Travis told her she was a crazy stalker as an explanation.

          There is no way to find out for sure. I am sure Deanna does not know that Travis said anything negative about her. Now that he is dead, and Jodi is on trial, I am sure Deanna will not say anything negative about Travis because it would only help Jodi if she did.

          • Deanna was in love with Travis,she still loves him imo.His photos are still on her FB account.His beloved dog was given to her after his death becauseTravis bequethed it to her.She was as much of a stalker or crazy ex as Jodi was!Puh-leez…My gut feeling is TA portrayed all of his ex the way it suited HIM,using them for every kind of physical or emotional need they served for his appetites,while these poor girls had absolutely no idea what was being said about them and how badly back-stabbed(irony?)they were by mister Alexander.

      • I wish the defense would have put a little more focus on putting those stalking rumors to rest.
        I think it should be obvious to the jury that Jodi was NOT obsessed with TA. What obsessed stalker moves AWAY?

        • I hope everyone in Arizona is not like my sister she lives around Phoenix
          an whatever she is watching on the regular news there has got her
          totally against Jodi….grrrrrrrr………I tried again tonight to talk some sense
          into her. She believes the physco stalker crap though. She does not
          know crap about Mormon’s/LDS though I gave her some insight on that
          an she said no I did not know that too most things I said. Geez she does
          not watch talking head Joke News either hln so she is getting the info
          from regular news castings?? Really hope those JURORS are not watching
          the news in Arizona at all. But I just have a feeling they know somethings.
          Due to the questions they ask. Hopefully not though.

        • KMiller,

          I agree. I went back and watched Day 10… Mr. Brewer testimony was so good for Jodi. JUAN tried to get him to say things that were not true………….. TRAP. Thank goodness he saw through JUAN. Then I watched CH on the stand, what a SLIME BALL piece of shit. THen the nut case on the phone which I think was Abe……. Man that dude had serious issues. Couldnt believe the crap he was saying on the phone. That he didn’t know he wasn’t suppose to be watching the trial or reading things on the internet. WTFK ever dude. That showed your lack of education. Cannot even believe Jodi went out with this character.

          CH is the cult leader in this circus……… scamming money off of people through PPL, LDS, and now FB for TA family. Get a real life dude. Your a true back stabber….. Wonder if he knew TA roommates? Afterall he lived in Utah and TA in AZ….. Guess he thinks he can learn a lot about his friend through text, email, and conference calls. NOT.

        • Maybe Jodie hung around more then Travis would like. However, he used her for sex, so then
          he didn t mind her hanging around. He also borrowed money from her, more then $1,000. during
          the month of Jan. 2008. He didn t mind her hanging around at that time either.This PPL big shot
          needs to borrow money from a waitress. What a joke.

        • No. No official police report blaming anyone. Just senseless rumors. No proof it was Deanna. If anything, it makes more sense that Lisa had the stalker, not Travis.

          Travis’s tires were not slashed when he was with Mimi. Mimi’s tires weren’t slashed. Mimi received no emails.

          It does not make sense that one woman Travis was with would receive emails and have her tires slashed, but not another if Travis was the one with a stalker.

          • Thx, I had heard some of the info you posted, but I did not know Jodi had already moved back to CA.

      • Don’t forget that is why TRAVIS got to spend the night because Lisa was so scared
        of his stalker stories an the email. If you ask me that is the perfect ploy move for
        a snake oil salesman that is so sneaky. If any tires truly were slashed my guess
        would be Travis did it himself to move closer too getting Lisa to hold him tight all
        through the night an it worked.

  51. On Twitter C. H*ghes states in response to some ones comment (paraphrasing) ” too bad TA didn’t listen to you and your wife when you tried to tell him Jodi was Evil”
    CH- “yes it was a strain, he insisted she was harmless right up to the end, but we got over it”

    This PROVES TA was NOT “extremely afraid” of Jodi. I guess he’s just running off at the mouth since the defense rested and he figures he’s in the clear. Please Baby Jesus, grant the defense a sur rebuttal.

    On another note. the prosecution rebuttal was the time during the Casey Anthony trial where I felt the defense was able to make some of their most powerful points. I think its because the prosecution in a desperate last chance attempt to prove their un-provable case opens the door for the defense to make a better case.

    • He and his wife warned JODI about TRAVIS, and not the other way around. They just made shit up about Jodi.

      The Hugheses lied their asses off on national television.

      • They sure did. They were OBVIOUSLY waiting until the defense rested so they could know exactly how much of the emails would be allowed in. Now that they know how to spin the story they are out in full force. CH said on twitter ” If the whole e-mail had been read it would have killed the defense”
        REALLY???? Then why did JM avoid them like the plague? If they contained info that would show they were not what the defense were making them sound to be then he would have made that very clear (like sulips said lol) faster that an Ethiopian chasing a doughnut down a hill!!
        It is perfectly clear that those emails were what the defense showed they were and much MUCH more.

        • “Then why did JM avoid them like the plague?”

          Exactly! surely there will be at least a couple people on the jury who recognize how hard JM tried to keep any and all evidence beneficial to Jodi out of the trial even if the ignorant haters two cell brains cannot see it.

    • Wow, that’s a very interesting comment from Chris Hughes. It’s a shame the jurors won’t see it.

  52. I went back and watched day 6 on youtube and was confused by Michael Melendez,,he talked like he did not know how the time stamps were put on the pics.JW did not really ask to find out more about this? Was it brought up later somewhere? Any thoughts? Comments on our page was very limited.

    • Interesting because I just re-watched Melendez too. I thought he was super-shifty. He kept looking over at the defense team with shifty eyes that I found very uncomfortable. He didn’t seem at all confident in what he was testifying about. At times, I almost felt like he didn’t want to be there at all. At one point, JM asked how many trials he had testified in and he said hundreds, maybe even thousands. Wouldn’t you think that with that much experience, he would be a lot more confident and competent? I also got the feeling that he was super confused by the time stamps on the pictures. But wasn’t he the expert on how they got on there? I always thought they were put on there by the camera internal memory and he accessed them that way. I think that’s why I went back and re-watched his testimony because in the back of my mind, something hadn’t added up from watching it the first time.

      • I need to go back and watch that. HHHMMMM….
        I think I need to go back and watch a few things.
        By the way AA. You got mail 🙂

      • lol,coincidence?I re-watched that trial day too!Although I think he said he has examined hundreds of thousands of photos in his career,not times he testified.

  53. So I just thought of something – Cancun angle wise.

    And (because this claim, whether true or false has no bearing on my end argument, it will be the same either way, I will go with what “haters” claim just to knock it down 🙂 )

    1) Okay, for argument’s sake, Jodi was initially booked on the Cancun trip because Travis was dating her at the time.

    2) She was excited because of that 1000 Places to See Before You Die mission Travis and her were on.

    3) They broke up, Travis and her were now pretty much hanging out in secret. (PPL friends not really aware – Hughes, Hall, whoever else).

    4) The Hughes were going on the Cancun trip. They disliked Jodi.

    Due to facts #3 and #4(which we already know is pretty much fact), I do not believe for a second that Jodi ever thought she would still be going on that Cancun trip. If the Hughes were not really aware that Jodi and Travis were hanging out, and they did not like Jodi, why on earth would Jodi even think that she’d be going on a trip with Travis that involved them (the Hughes)?? That would mean they’d find out Travis and her were still hanging out.

    Also, if we assume #1 was true, and he changed it because he was trying to court Mimi Hall after the breakup, Jodi may have been disappointed she was no longer going. But her being disappointed does not prove anything at all. Naturally she’d be disappointed if she was looking forward to crossing more places off her list (from the 1000). But again, she probably expected it, because the Hughes were going on that trip to Cancun. It wouldn’t make sense that Travis would take her!

    • I heard Jodi testify in court or I read of her testimony that she had backed out of that trip months in advance because of financial concerns…so she knew way in advance that she was not going on that trip to Cancun…

      • That is what I am saying. Disappointment would have been a natural reaction.

        I was pointing out that the haters have a flawed argument about Cancun. The Hughes were going on that trip. There is no way Jodi and the Hughes would be going on the same trip (even, if, for example, her financial circumstances changed and she suddenly had the money).

    • The “Cancun” jealousy business was a Chris Hughes-inspired load of bullshit.

      He was peddling that crap on the original 48 Hours telecast on the Arias case.

      The bad thing is this garbage was swallowed by JM and Flores.

      • Oh yes, I know! 🙂 I was sort of pointing out that it was stupid theory that made no sense because if the Hughes did not know Travis and Jodi were hanging out anymore, there would be no reason for Jodi to assume she was going to Cancun with Travis and the Hughes, hence there is no reason for her to be jealous. It is all ridiculous!

        • Remember from the ALV testimony that the Hugheses actually LOVED Jodi and warned her against Travis.

          They knew Travis better than anybody.

    • Actually the Hugheses LOVED Jodi. They didn’t hate her at all and warned her against Travis and said she needed to move on from him.

      It’s only later on, after Travis died, that they did a 180 on her and lied about the relationship.

      • No, I think they started hating her before Travis died. Clearly, they initially loved her, but later, it must have changed. Because Travis did not hang out with Jodi in front of them anymore.

        I think that after Travis and Jodi broke up, and Travis started telling people Jodi was a stalker, I think that is when they started changing their opinion.

        • I think he started calling her a stalker and scary and jealous, a liar, after they broke up to diffuse the truth about how he really was , just in case Jodi got mad that he was dating other people. That way whatever she said bad about him, he could say, hey, remember I told you she was crazy, she is lying and I hate that the prosecution does not see through all of that. Alyce did bring that up briefly though, I thought that was good. This sort of thing happened to me with my ex and he was such a talker and a charmer everyone believed him for awhile, until it happened to the next girl and the next, Jodi never had that chance and she never bad mouthed him, she wasnt that kind of person, HE was

      • They did dislike Jodi. Not initially, but they indicated that they did after she and Travis broke up.

        Now of course, they are flipping things around and claiming that the email they sent her warning her about Travis is not what it seems, but I am not talking about when Travis first met Jodi, I am talking about after they broke up.

    • The Hughes are a big problems for the prosecution and the defense. I’m glad they were not called.

      • CH also said on Twitter that the only reason they questioned TA was because of a LIE Jodi told them. REALLY??? They would believe a girl they JUST met over their CLOSEST friend?
        These guys are SOMETHING ELSE!!

        The Plan: Blame Jodi for any and everything.

        • Yes I agree also. Especially after reading that long post on FB from Chris Hughes from back in Dec 2012. He says anyone knowing the Theology of Mormonism understands that Travis was in heaven. Meaning to me with the neck slash the heart plunge the gut cuts he Spilled his Blood for the Lord meaning he was sinning by having sex before marriage which in that church is as bad as murder. So in order to be at least a Angel not a God but a Angel he could get in still.

    • The ‘she got mad about the Cancun trip’ motive is absolutely laughable.Just as the jealousy motive is.

    • He looks suspicious….with his head leaning forward and walking in a forward manner…

      If he was up there for other reasons…seems like a natural reaction would have been to look downward over the edge of that fence railing to see what the commotion below was about…hmmm

    • Yes, I had heard this, after all those years they finally believed her. Is she exonerated completely now, or just not on death row?

      • All I can find is the that her conviction was “overturned.” I get the impression that she has been exonerated, but don’t quote me on that. I’m not sure of her official status.

        • An overturned conviction on appeal means that the state of AZ has the opportunity to retry her. In fact, the US Supreme court remanded Milke’s case for retrial based on habeas relief under very specific instructions. Much of the decision was based on Miranda violations. But some was based on the record of the investigative cop. And a great deal more was based on Brady violations which are relevant to this case, Jodi’s case. Brady is a US Supreme Court case that set precedents for disclosure of exculpatory evidence — evidence the prosecution has that may prove the innocence of a defendant. If you’ve watched all of this trial, you should be familiar with Nurmi arguing Brady violations (see Day 6 testimony to begin with) and how long they have occurred in Jodi’s trial. .

          Everyone should read the Milke opinion as it will go down in history and be something referred to time and again: http://cdn.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastore/opinions/2013/03/14/07-99001%20web%20-%20corrected.pdf

          While most of the habeus corpus decision rests on Miranda violations, that is not the entire gist of it. There are egregious errors on the part of the judge. As the Milke opinion states: “Long-established Supreme Court precedent holds that the prosecution must turn over exculpatory evidence to the defense.” If you’ve paid attention to this trial, you will realize that wasn’t the case (i.e., communications via text, email and instant message that the defense had to litigate over — go to day 6).

          Of interest in Jodi’s case should be: “[T]he state had engaged in “repeated instances of prosecutorial misconduct” by failing to disclose evidence in a timely manner, thus
          denying her “due process, a fair trial, and a reliable sentencing determination.” Milke reminded the postconviction court that “egregious misconduct occurs where the prosecutor’s manipulation of evidence is likely to have an important effect on the jury’s determination.”

          And [I]t was the prosecutor’s “duty to learn of any favorable evidence known to the others acting on the government’s behalf in the case, including the police.” Also, think about things like: “Milke’s claim was straightforward: She couldn’t effectively cross-examine Saldate because the state had failed to disclose significant impeachment evidence.”

          Also of note is: “The second element of a Brady violation is the willful or inadvertent failure of the prosecutor to disclose evidence favorable to the defendant.”

          In case anyone doesn’t know, a US Supreme Court decision/opinion trumps ALL others. Falling short of having such an opinion, a state’s Supreme Court’s decision/opinion. trumps any other. Since we’re discussing this, most states have district for appellate court, for example, Florida has multiple. But one district’s decision is as valid in another district as any other. So, it doesn’t matter if the first district found one thing. A person appealing in the fourth district could still refer to that.

          When you think about all that in relation to Jodi’s case, you have to think about the state not turning over the text/im/emails and the compromise that resulted in Jodi’s case because they received that evidence (much of which could be exculpatory) so late in the game. In fact, this alone, when all is said and done, may be what keeps Jodi off death row!!!!

          The opinion discusses a great deal of what Flores did and it’s worth reading for that alone. I’d be happy to summarize further, if anyone needs me to, but I know our members here have great intelligence and don’t always need me to summarize something and in fact, I might insult the intelligence of many here by doing so. I never know quite how much I should explain. Not that I’m of superior intellect — I’m certainly not by any means — but my attendance at law school makes it a little easier for me to understand some things so I always want to offer that, for purposes of explanation, if it’s necessary. .

          • Thank you Also Abused. I love your explanations. I really appreciate them.

            While I didn’t know that it was a Brady violation (and now I do, thank you) I remember reading that Martinez has been in trouble for this very thing in the past. It’s as though it’s his strategy to turn over evidence at the very last possible minute, and often LATE. With Martinez, it’s a pattern, if you will.

          • I didn’t know that about the relationships between districts. Thanks for the explanation AA. I would like to learn more about Juan Martinez failure to disclose evidence. That is a legal term, right? “Disclosure?” Do we have any idea what was in those emails/text/im?

          • I have a hard time finding my messages on this site sometimes AA. So if you write a bit about this, I would really appreciate it if you could copy and paste and send the reply to my email? It is XXXXXXX. Thanks. Interesting hearing the perspective from someone with a background in US Law.

          • e.g.

            “The Phoenix Police Department and Saldate’s
            supervisors there should be ashamed of havinggiven free rein
            to a lawless cop to misbehave again and again, undermining
            the integrity of the system of justice they were sworn to
            uphold. As should the Maricopa County Attorney’s Office,
            which continued to prosecute Saldate’s cases without
            bothering to disclose his pattern of misconduct.”

    • The church dislikes the nickname MORMON ……….That makes me laugh ………..why do the have THE BOOK OF MORMON why is it not The BOOK OF LDS …………..what are they ashamed of anyways………..I am baptized an confirmed Catholic but also Christian. An the Mormon’s
      are nothing like a Catholics that made me cringe ! the ranks are totally different an there is no
      secret TEMPLE anyone can go to the Catholic Church.

      Now I see why I do not like the tone it was from that Stark woman she is Stark raving MAD ! haha

      Yes I do believe something happened somewhere with Travis fondling little boys somewhere but
      no one wants to fess up to that. No 30 year old single male offers to babysit. An if one did when
      my daughter was young I would say NO just because that is WEIRD! unless it is a family member
      an now a days hell I don’t think that would be the best choice either.

      What a bunch of crap that was huh ? I don’t believe a word from those Hughes they both sat up there with sweaty palms an lying eyes an weird grins like the devil. An have the BALLS to call Jodi soulless. Snake Oil Salesmen is all I can think of. Gus Searcy was the only honest one an everyone jumped on him. If Jodi was so scary from the start the Hughes sure were nice at first. They Bare False Witness I truly believe that an all the rest jumping on tv lying are too. Leaves me for a bad feeling for Mesa Arizona an that congregation of friends Travis had.

      • yes I remember thinking that it was strange that a 30 yo man would like to baby sit. And also I saw the video of Travis with Jodi and friends on dr drew a while ago and they were making a huge deal about Jodi yawning- she must be a sociopath etc. what I saw was that one of TA’s friends was yawning too- and later it was blurred out by hln

    • Kmiller-
      I agree 100%. Chris Hughes is as smarmy and snake like as they come. I certainly question why Hughes, whose best friend was to have a phone call and take a trip with him, never once called anybody to go check on Travis. Hell, I think they even took off to Cancun with out ever hearing from him, or hearing he was dead. Makes one think he already knew he was dead? I think they absolutely had figured out that Travis’ “age of attraction” was really little boys. But now he’s gone, so no worries…

      I am also with you 100% on Jodi continuing to be completely brainwashed by the LDS. I have been doing more research on the Mormons and watched a video yesterday that has me completely creeped out. I even had a nightmare about it last night. The video on You Tube, was done via hidden camera by someone who was a part of the Endowment Ritual at a temple. It is something the “outside world” is never supposed to see. It is clear from this ceremony that these people are all like robots going through the bizzare motions of the Cult. One of the things they swear to, is to never speak ill of one of the annointed. TA, with his temple status was clearly one of the annointed. The Hughes will go to their graves, lying their asses off, for many reasons.

      I fear poor Jodi is still under the mind control of the Cult. Her non emotional almost robotic affect appears to be more than being on medication for anxiety or migraines. The thought that these creeps are still visiting her in jail makes me shudder. It would be for no other reason than to keep her under the cult’s control. Her quote of B Young, shows she has not been deprogrammed.

    • Wow, who the heck is this person who writes all that? I’ve had Mormon friends. They didn’t say they were LDS. They said they were “Mormon”.

  60. The Hughes LIED plain and simple,so much for them to be religous folk that are supposed to be rightess and truthfull,they lied there asses off and I hope they rot in hell for selling out Jodi.The good judge always checks each day to see if the jury has seen or heard anything from the media and like good little school children they say no,Yeah OK fat chance of that,maybe if they were in upper mongolia.Isnt it amazing how the prosecution let out certain videos and leaked information to the media at key times and I thought JM wasnt suppose to watch the media either,the tweets from Jodi got him all riled up about his height,he cant help it if he is only knee high to a toad stool,slimey like one too.I dont think Jodi should have tweeted,could come back to bite her,BUT the jury isnt supposed to know that RIGHT!!!This trial has been a witch hunt from the begining,Jodi is being treated like shit from the ignorant masses,Sherriff Joe and company.The trial has been tainted and she will never have a fair shake,it might come down to an appeal court with a NEW JUDGE that has a BRAIN and certainly her defence team has plenty of ammo to appeal any sentence,Hopefully this will not have to come to that,I do believe that there are some jurrors that believe what she and her defence have said.I like to say that wasnt it great that JW got the baby doc to melt down about her words being twisted.hurts when the shoe is on the other foot,JW did a very good job on JD.I hope that all the posters here that had valid points,somehow got those to the defence,I have tried to send emails to the defence,dont know if they got them or even if they did,do they look at them,is it legal for them to view any suggestions from supporters?The defence team should have a valid point with the non sequestering of the jury and media intervention in the trial if an appeal is needed.Lets all keep suppoting Jodi,SHE WILL BE AQUITTED SOON,god bless Jodi.

  61. I had been trying to place where I’d seen Martinez before and realized while watching a Reno 911 episode tonight. Slap a mustache on Martinez and he is the actor who plays the part of officer Garcia on the show. It’s uncanny. Too funny.

  62. Michael Kiefer ‏@michaelbkiefer 3h

    I’m hearing a .25 caliber gun was found near Hoover Dam, where Jodi says she disposed of hers, and authorities are checking it out.
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  63. Michael Kiefer ‏@michaelbkiefer 2h

    5 possibilities: unrelated; grandpa’s gun and murder weapon; murder weapon but not grandpa’s; grandpa’s gun but not murder weapon; total bs.
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    • I would not be too surprised if someone else had put a gun there intentionally;
      this reeks until proven otherwise

    • Hasn’t a rumor about a gun being found somewhere there been floating around for weeks now?

      If I remember correctly some guy was chasing a 20 dollar bill and he found a gun wrapped in TP and some other sort of paper tucked under a cactus, took it home and his wife asked him to call the cops about it.

      I don’t know if Jodi’s grandfather had the serial number. From the part of the Yreka police report I was able to track down, they didn’t even have the make, leave alone the serial number. They did have a size, the fact that it had black grips and 7 hollow-point rounds.

      It is relatively easy to be able to determine whether a particular gun was used to fire a particular round. There are four fundamental areas they look in, and often these provide “fingerprints” that can be very exact. The first of course is looking at the bullet. As the bullet passes through the barrel, features within the barrel leave an imprint on the bullet. The bullets are typically a tad bigger than the bore of the gun in order to ensure a tight fit, and get squeezed through the barrel. The physical features of the barrel leave marks on the bullet. The barrel has ‘rifling’ which consists of raised areas (lands) and depressed reas (grooves) with a twist. The twist makes the bullet spin and stabilizes it. Each gun’s lands and grooves are just a little different, so if you fire another bullet through the gun, you can match that to the suspect bullet and try and determine whether or not they came from the same gun. The next spot they try and match is the firing pin. This leaves a distinct impression on the cartridge primer, and again acts like a fingerprint. The third is the extractor mark. A pistol has this little hook type gizmo that extracts the spent casing after the round has been fired. This leaves a mark on the rim of the cartridge casing and can often be distinct (of course you don’t see one in a revolver). The last is the shell casing itself, which can have scratches, etc that a particular to an individual weapon.

      The problem with ballistics testing (as this is called) arises when either the bullet is too deformed to be analyzed, the shell casing is lost, or the weapon itself has been damaged through either mechanical damage or something like corrosion. And even though this was found in the desert, corrosion can occur, particularly since desert sands often have high concentrations of various salts and there is some moisture, albeit very small.

      There is also other forensic evidence such as fingerprints, etc that can be lifted off guns, even those exposed to the elements, especially off the magazine and rounds that are in a relatively protected environment.

      So if indeed a 25 caliber gun was found around where Jodi claims she disposed of the weapon it could open some interesting doors for both the prosecution and the defense. Also I bet it puts this trial back a few weeks as each side does all their testing etc.

      Of course if the gun was found a while ago the State may have already completed their testing. Which leads me to wonder if the hearing on Friday had anything to do with this gun.

      Guess we’ll have to wait and see.

      • yes, it has been floating around for a while.

        Maybe the prosecution finally admitted someone turned it in…or maybe it is just a rumor.

        • Good morning everyone. Well, even if the gun was found in the desert, and they’ve tested it and they can tell that it was the gun that was used on Travis, it doesn’t really help either side because they can’t prove that the gun belonged to Jodi’s grandfather or that it belonged to Travis. I read the Yreka police report too Al, and yes, I remember that Jodi’s grandfather didn’t have the serial number or much information at all about the gun that was stolen from him.

          Also, it occurred to me that if Jodi had wanted that gun, say to feel safe driving through the desert, wouldn’t her grandfather have just given it to her? She really didn’t have to stage a burglary. I really don’t think she stole that gun or anything else from her grandparents.

          • actually, if it has a serial number on it they MAY be able to run the history of the gun and see if it ever belonged to to anyone on either side.

            So, lets say they run it and it shows that one of Travis’ friends purchased it at one time…it doesn’t prove anything….but…

            • BeeCee,

              That could be. I don’t know how far back records were kept of purchases. If the gun belonged to Travis, I suspect it had been his mother’s and after his parents passed away it became his. Who knows where his mother would have got it from, but maybe there would be some record at least that it was originally bought in Riverside, CA.

              Jodi’s grandfather also inherited his gun, I believe from his brother when his brother passed away. All I know about it is that it was an old gun. If Jodi’s granduncle bought it originally say, back in the 40s, would there be record of the serial number? I don’t know. But I suppose if it were originally sold in Yreka, CA, that would tell us something.

          • Actually if they had the gun a bunch of stuff may be possible.

            As BeeCee says a serial number check can lead to some connection, or not.

            If the ballistics match, but the grips were brown or white, the defense can argue it wasn’t grandpa’s gun.

            If the ballistics match and you find fingerprints from TA or one of his friends some inferences can b drawn.

            I don’t know if they have any records of the gun TA’s mother apparently owned, but that might be another venue.

            And there are probably other things one can speculate, but I guess we just wait and see if there is any news.

            • Well yes, that’s true. If it’s a different color that would certainly tell them something. And what if the serial number told them it was purchased right there in Mesa?? That would be good. Or even if the serial number told them that it was manufactured say, after 1990, that would prove that it wasn’t Jodi’s grandfather’s gun. Well now I’m hopeful. If the gun really was found, it could tell us a lot.

              I’m still hoping that the person(s) responsible for the burglary at Jodi’s grandparents come forward. And I’m still hoping that Steve Bell, or whoever slashed the tires, does the right thing and comes forward. I know that’s not likely to happen, but I still think about it from time to time.

              • Another thing I just thought of…speculation obviously…

                With Travis telling his friends not to be surprised if he ended up dead…don’t you think one of them might have told him here, take this little gun as protection? It would not surprise me at all, and would be quite funny if it is proven to be purchased by the hughes or the Hall dude…or whomever it was that he allegedly told he was going to get killed.

                • Good Point. Also like I said last night. I believe TA did know he had a dangerous enemy. He wanted to talk about it, but didn’t want to say who. It was just easier to say it was “Jodi” since she was moved away, and would not likely find out.
                  If he said who it really was he would have to tell the real reason why and that would not fit his Angelic reputation.

                • “If he said who it really was he would have to tell the real reason why and that would not fit his Angelic reputation.”

                  Yes!

                • BeeCee-
                  I agree. I have thought all along that the gun actually belonged to that grotesque thing, Dave Hall.

                • omg,it could only be a silly rumour but after reading all your posts and takes,I can almost act out in my head the happy script of them finding out the gun did belong to one of TA ‘s friends/parents and the defense team along with us jumping on a table doing the happy dance!!!!OK,back to reality now…

      • Al, could you still tell anything about a gun after it had been out in the elements for 5 years? I don’t know diddly squat about guns.

  64. If JM resembles Reno 911 Officer Garcia then Dr.D resembles a Sleestak, from Land of the Lost.

  66. How convenient, that a gun was potentially found 11th hour. Hand in hand with the Prosecutor methodically releasing info on the Defendent.

  67. Good morning…
    I have something on my mind Why is that this horrible struggle went on
    Jodi walked away with no wounds. Travi looked as if he fought like hell
    it does not make sense to me I cannot buy that she did this.

    • I dont buy it either! There is no way she left that scene, left not one drop of blood anywhere else in the house and found herself with just a little bit of blood on her hands in the desert. Whoever did this would have been soaked / covered in blood and there would have been blood all over the rental car.

      One thing that I have thought of is… we have NO proof that thd dates or times were not manipulated on that camera. Maybe he was killed after Jodi left. The only thing they have as evidence she was there is the handprint on the wall.

      When the photo expert did the examination on the left eye, I was screaming that they didnt do the right eye!!!!

      • I’ve also thought it odd that car rental guy only found his *kool aid* stains on the passenger and back seat. If she had blood on her hands and assuming, her clothes, some blood stains would have been on the drivers seat, I would think.

        Did they ever go over that rental car, like they do in the tv crime shows to confirm if they could find traces of blood in that rental car or had too much time passed to bother with checking? Since she was not arrested until a month later too much time probably had passed.

        It would of been interesting if someone like Henry Lee would have found any minute piece of evidence like a finger print the rental cleaning crew somehow missed.

      • Also, if I just prick my finger or get a bloody nose, blood seems to get EVERYWHERE! So with this bloody scene Jodi should have had blood on her EVERYWHERE! It should have definitely been under her fingernails and all over her hair too. It isn’t that easy to get your hair clean with just bottled water or getting under your fingernails clean without a brush and lots of soap and water. And then she goes to Ryan Burns and he doesn’t notice any blood?

      • Actually they had the bloody fingerprint and her hairs,placing her there.

        • Hi maria, this is is regards to the rental car. I was wondering if the rental car was checked to confirm the kool aid was in fact blood or if other evidence found that might have been important.

          Love your pic! You are gorgeous!

        • This doesn’t explain the bloody fingerprint but.. I have long dark hair and after brushing my hair, there is hair all over the floor. There is nothing suprising that her hair would be found there. I didn’t see how much hair so if there was a LOT then that would make sense.

    • Cindy, I went to sleep with this very thing troubling me. I tossed around all kinds of struggle scenarios where Jodi comes out with bandaids on a couple of fingers. I believe that’s what the guy in Utah testified to … Jodi having a couple of fingers with small bandages. I cannot wrap my mind around how all that occured. Jodi had no signs of bruising, she was arrested shortly after the killing. If there were bruises on her they would take some time to heal.

      • Natalie she was not arrested until a month after the killing and people that saw her in Utah said she was wearing a long sleeved shirt in 100 degree weather. They may not have seen anything, but it does not mean there was nothing given the clothes she had on.

    • Actually Jodi said she had bruises on her back and forearms, a bump on her head, and for the strange one, bruises on her ankles and feet. Never did get that last one.

  68. Does anyone know a link to view all the pictures that were on Travis’ camera?
    want to compare date/time on some but I can’t find them.

    Thank’s in advance!!!

    • Just do a goggle search for jodi arias crime scene photos and you will be able to find theme easily.

  69. I haven’t been able to bring myself to look at all the photos other than what’s been waved around in court. But from what I’ve read it was a grisly scene consistent with someone terrified out of their mind trying to keep a ‘bear’ off them, if it was done alone. I can only imagine how someone as peaceful minded and non violent as Jodi would feel after having to fight for her life like that. If a gun was found and it turned out not to belong to grandpa, I bet Juan boy would fight like hell to keep it out! He can’t handle the truth. Although I’m not a conspiracy theorist, usually, I can see Nance having grandpa’s gun tracked down secretly then slithering into the desert and dropping it off so JM could then lie about the ballistics. These people are so desperate for a conviction, to save face, that nothing would shock me.

  70. The gun rumor has been around for awhile,if it is true the state would have been allover it like shit on a blanket and HLN would have broadcast it from coast to coast,but maybe Juan is methodically waiting to spring that evidence on the defence,hes a sleeze,just look at how he leaked info at key times during the trial.I cant believe that the guy who supossedly found it over a year ago would wait till now to turn it in,but hey stranger things have happened.Lets hope the closed door court thing on Friday was positive for Jodi,god bless her aand may she be free soon.

    • Call me suspicious anybody would wait a year to turn a gun in, especially a high profile case like this one.

  71. …and I have never seen such ethically and morally bankrupt people in my life as the one’s trying to twist the facts in this case to make Jodi appear guilty. JM, NG, JVM, VP…too many to mention.

    • Did you watch the Casey Anthony trial? They tried so hard to guilt the jury into a guilty verdict, exploiting Caylee with pictures of her and her remains. Played the video of Caylee singing, over and over, and over,Then anyone who proclaimed Casey’s innocence was a baby killer and a lover of all baby killers, didn’t care Caylee was dead, didn’t agree she was a beautiful child, and didn’t think her singing was adorable. It was SICK!!

      • Yes I watched as they whupped people into a frenzy! Flashing those endless photos of Casey partying and drinking in btw photos of the angelic child. While I did think she should have served some time for child neglect or abandonment HLN acting as if you were evil incarnate and in on it if you weren’t willing to kill Casey yourself!!

        • Only one set of pictures was taken during the time between Caylee’s accidental death and Casey’s arrest. The rest were older pictures, as seen by Casey’s different hairstyles.

          She couldn’t have served any time for neglect/abandonment because Caylee wasn’t abandoned anywhere while she was alive. Improper disposal of a corpse, maybe, but again there was no evidence that Casey herself hid Caylee’s body.

          • What gets me about the Caylee Anthony case was that all the crazy public was distraught over the loss of this kid they didn’t even know. Obviously everyone in the Anthony family loved that child, and whatever terrible accident happened to end her life, it is Casey & the rest of the Anthony’s that will suffer that loss longterm, not all those spectators.

      • The unfortunate difference in that rial and this one is the jury was sequestered. The jury had big limits put on them, as they should have on this jury.

  72. If Nancy Grace felt her life was in physical danger can you imagine the collateral damage? She’d slash her way through a baby kitten farm. Ok I just had to get that off my chest. lol

  73. Good Morning to all.
    A previous poster referred to JM using the Agatha C. approach, working a crime scene backwards using a bunch of red herrings. IMO, JM is also a crumb dropper. At the end of the day, he will want the jurors to be awed by his brilliant mind. Like Jesus turning the water in to wine, JM will make his best effort to turn bread crumbs into loaves of bread of premeditation to feed the jurors. I think he enjoys his reputation of being sly bastard. I’ve been following the JM’s crumb trail trying to guess circumstantial evidence and elements of his closing argument. This is my premeditation crumb list of questions:

    1. Is JM going to propose Jodi premeditated 2 plans? Plan A, sex him into taking her to Cancun and if that doesn’t work…Plan B, kill him? Is he going to say the afternoon sex was the ” lay in wait”?
    2. Is JM going to use the Wal-Mart receipt to impeach her? Or is this his red herring or smoking gun? The receipt shows; 2 facial creams and 2 sunscreen purchases. Is he going say she purchased these items hoping TA will take her to Cancun? So far, it appears JM has been laying foundation for his hell has no fury motive, Jodi is a stalker/jealous crazy person diagnosed with BPD who planned on killing Travis “before” the Cancun trip because (motive) he invited another women, MH and did not want to take Jodi on Cancun trip. JM has to stick to that story. The jurors do not know what we know about the Hughes and other reasons Jodi wouldn’t want to go. My brain is running amuck here…is Wal-Mart person going to talk about the kero can refund or is he going to talk about the other items?
    3. Is JM going to say Jodi stomped on TA causing the bruising on legs and feet AND the lower level blood splatter in the water closet and stool? He has already planted the crumb seeds of her kicking her Mom and the portion of the letter Dr. Data Point read aloud about Jodi getting mad.. hitting walls.
    4. Is TA business card a red herring or crumb? I can’t figure this one out. I understand the forensic team collects all types of things from the crime scene but why did JM bring this particular item into evidence? I sometimes write numbers, names and notes on the back of my business card.
    5. Is JM going to say the smoke smell in returned rental car is from burning her clothes? Is he going to expose Jodi as a closet smoker? I don’t know if he talk about these things in closing but he got in the missing engagement ring and the guy on the plane incident. I don’t expect JM to play fair.. and I’m using this “new stuff” as JM’s data point pattern.. 🙂
    6. Is JM going take the items from the washing machine and weave them in his closing? He really likes the bleached towel (other crumb)?.

    Time will tell what he’s got up his sleeve. I’m confident the defense closing will be outstanding. Just wish I knew who was closing, Nurmi or Jen?

    • Jodi would need sunscreen just for driving all over the desert in June. So I hope JM doesn’t bring that up.

    • Can both Nurmi AND Wilmott do closing arguments? Wilmott did opening arguments and I thought she was very good.

      • I don’t know AZ laws regarding closing. It is allowed in other states. Both would be great, if only one is allowed, I prefer JM. She did the opening and all the experts. They have to break up the work load some how.

        • I read somewhere that in AZ, only one of them will be allowed to present the closing arguments. I haven’t looked that up though. But I think it was an attorney who said it.

      • I was wondering that too. Nothing against Nurmi, but I would rather Wilmott do closing statements, to be honest. I feel she speaks more eloquently.

    • Ann,
      i was the one who mentioned Agatha Cristie’s way of writing her novels but franlky if we were to compare her to Juan Martinez the poor woman would roll over her grave in protest!! With Martinez,one can never be sure as to how he will do the closing arguments.I suspect he will definitely use the autopsy photos alongside the ”no jury will convict me” clip in an affort to appeal to the jury’s emotions,first playing the clip and then while holding the autopsy photo sth along these lines”wont you?what if THIS was your son?”.Or sth to that effect.I used to be afraid of him,his reputation of being brilliant precedes him but after watching the trial there were times the haters said oh he’s gonna tie it all up,you’ll see and I honestly havent seen any ”tying up” so far!

  74. I guess the haters are on a full out campaign to shut down this web site…I googled it and went as far as page 20 of the google pages and it does not appear ONCE. Every mention of it is directed toward their campaign. The mormons have a news press to encourage people to close this site. The Hughes’ are mentioned as suing for libel… EVERY single site there is another hate campaign. I didn’t click on any site except geebee2’s site that is somewhere…like page 17 or something of google…. SO I’m posting this link again…read the words… It may not be your favorite kind of music…but the words…READ THE WORDS. WHERE IS THE LOVE?
    “Whatever happened to humanity…”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24ZbzzIhS-w

    • I keep trying to post a reply and it won’t show up.

      Yeah, this website used to be the first result when I would search and for the past couple days I haven’t been able to find it on the first three PAGES of results. I wonder what is the reason behind this sudden change?

    • This site was the FIRST to come up,that’s for sure!W T F has happened??Isnt that gagging?What about the right to freedom of speech?What if there are other people out there who want to join the site?

      I say,all of us here who have a FB account,post the site’s address for those who might be interested.(I know I would be of little help,most of my FB friends are either greek or argentinian but…anyways!You americans can have a greater impact)

      • I know that Google filters some websites from search results, even in the U.S., but these are usually things like child pornography. I am searching from Canada, and you from Greece, and we are not seeing the website come up in the results anymore either, so it’s not a localized thing. Maybe the haters somehow convinced Google that this was a hate site or something and they removed it from the search results. I don’t know what it is, but it is very strange for the site to be the number one search result one day, and then the next day the site doesn’t even appear on the first 10 pages of results…

  75. Anyone have any thoughts on the remote control? I just saw something about that on one of the hater sites…must have missed it in trial, but it says Jodi went back to whichever boyfriend she borrowed one of the gas cans from to give him his DVD remote control?? Apparently a DVD player was stolen from Jodi’s grandfather’s house with the gun and now the haters are saying she traded the stolen DVD player for the gas can. Any thoughts??? I’m probably late on this one, but I think it’s total BS!!

    • There was testimony (Jodi’s) about returning a remote to his DB house. Not sure what the remote was for.

      • When I moved out of my ex’s house, I accidentally packed 2 t.v. remotes. It’s possible that the remote was packed with the rest of her stuff, and she was just returning it, as I had to.

        • Yes Jodi stated on the stand that she had to return to DB’s house to return the remote control that she accidentally packed with her stuff the day she stopped at his house. She returned it the same day she accidentally took it. I think, but I’m not certain, that she noticed it when she was looking in her bag for her phone charger.

          • I thought Darryl testified that he accidentally left the remote in Jodi’s rental car.

            • How could Jodi of packed it in her stuff…. She only stopped by his house at 7 am in the morning and had breakfast, and then she came back a few hours after………. He said ” he never saw her luggage.”

    • I hope the defense can make a huge point with the gas cans…they are a bit problematic by itself, BUT she also had a case of water in the drunk too, which backs up her story that she wouldn’t want to be stranded in the desert in the event she ran out of gas. If she ran out of gas, then she wouldn’t be able to use the air conditioner in the car, It was 98.6 degrees outside that day, and I remember her testimony where she stated “you could die out there.” She was just prepared, Case of water and extra gas. As I’ve stated before, one of the biggest issues I have in this case in regards to premeditation is that during this rode trip she got her nails done. I can’t get passed this. Maybe it’s just me. Face wash (check), sun screen (check), Starbucks (check) nails done (check). “Ok, now I’m ready to go kill Travis!” WTF?????

      • The gas can will continue to be a big factor with the prosecutor……..and from the prosecution side they could argue the case of water was in the trunk so she could wash up…….That makes me nervous.

        • If that is the case, than buy a couple of gallon (jugs) of water, not individual bottles. As far as “cleaning up stuff”, she didn’t buy items such as paper towels, wipes, disinfectants, trash bags etc….

          • If money were an issue then gallon jugs would be much cheaper than bottled. And if she’s returning a gas can for cash jeopardizing this well thought out stealth-like ‘plan’ then jugs would make more sense.

          • Not to mention if premeditated why in the world would you ever borrow gas cans from someone. Why wouldn’t you buy them yourself?

              • If she was planning to take his life it wouldn’t matter if he went on the stupid Cancun trip or not. There was no need to kill him in his own house with the huge possibility of being caught red handed by the roommates or any random friend who might stop by.

                She could’ve easily planned a trip to some remote desert location and on a hike, when she saw the perfect opportunity, shot him and rolled his body into a deep crevice, tossed some rocks on top so it would be a long time until he was found.

                • Or with all that GAS BURN THE DAMN HOUSE DOWN the camera an all the evidence to ASHES??

        • I have said it before these gas cans are a nonstarter except for people who have no clue how remote roads in the western U.S. are and how expensive gas is in the little towns that may dot the way on these remote routes.

          This is NOT the Dana Chandler case where gas cans WERE important because she BOUGHT them just days before she killed her ex-husband and his fiancee who were in Topeka, Kansas.

          There is nothing suspicious here with Jodi Arias.

        • I really think a YOUNG WOMAN like Jodi would be scared of running out of gas
          driving alone late at night if you watch scary movies you do not want to be in the
          desert with people like in the HILLS HAVE EYES. AN the water well my daughter
          is the same age and buys those huge packs of water too because they are cheaper
          than paying almost 2 bucks for a big bottle of water. Hope a few Jurors think that
          way too.

          • I agree Rhonda, but what baffles me with the water is :

            It was 98.6 degrees

            Water in the trunk

            Not in a cooler

            Who would want to drink warm water?

      • How are they “problematic” when there was a paper trail everywhere she went.

        Good grief, she borrowed them from a boyfriend. It’s not like she was hiding something.

        I suspect there are people posting here who have no idea how remote roads and highways can be in the western part of the U.S.

        • Good grief? They are “problematic” because it’s not typical for people to go on long road trips with extra gas in the trunk of their car. Have you? Unless of coarse your traveling with off road vehicles such as ATC’s, dirt bikes etc… And because the prosecution is making the gas cans “problematic.” I was just in Mesa two weeks ago, and drove back home to Vegas. I am fully aware how remote the desert is and taking her same route. My point was explaining why she had the gas cans in the first place along with a case of water. It makes sense to me based on her own testimony and I believe her.

  76. The relevance of these gas cans confuses me. So what if she bought them or if she bought Exxon Mobile for that matter? If that’s all Juan boy has to base premeditation on he is SOL. It’s not like she packed some Depends, bought an untraceable pre-paid phone, crept to AZ using a disguise and paying cash only then kept her activities super secret from anyone. I think he has her confused with that astronaut lady.

    • Gwen, lol…the astronaut lady…You know? I actually thought of that same thing back at the beginning of this trial…Now that we know Jodi’s IQ is superior, anyone with any logic would expect, if Jodi HAD planned this, she would have given it MUCH more forethought. She left her traceable i.d. EVERYWHERE! It wasn’t like she was hiding for crying out loud. I mean really! The entire premeditation theory is inane. She could have bought her OWN gas cans before the trip with CASH eliminating the witness from whom she borrowed them . She could have filled them at a different time and then just transported them from HER car to the rental car. There is no evidence that she bought gloves to wear, or tried to disguise herself, or went to Travis’ home, snuck in did the job and then just left… There is MORE evidence that indicates she was NOT trying to get away with something than there is to indicate she was.

  77. hope everyone is having a great weekend!
    as usual, love your post SJ….keeps me grounded. while I do enjoy posts that provide alternative theories, it helps me keep my “eye on the prize” which I know I need from time to time.:-)
    One question I’ve been thinking about this weekend, probably pretty easy to answer but I’ll ask anyway.
    Why was this hack doctor not allowed to testify after the prosecution had already rested its case? I mean, i understand the concept of rebuttal and all, but its not as if the DA didn’t know the defense had its own psych experts, and the “joker” had completed her supposed expert opinion before trial began, so now the DA brings her in at the end? that should not of been during rebuttal imo.
    So now the DA gets an unfair advantage to go back and “fix” what he left out during hi s presentation of his case, yet the defense can not. wtf is wrong with this picture?
    Sorry using my phone, misspelled im sure. just hate the way this whole mockery of a trial has has been allowed to be presented. by the DA i mean
    e

    • I always love your posts……………always get you thinking. Thanks

    • yup, those wounds look like the blade was flat, lengthwise,(a slicing action vs. stabbing) as if someone was around reaching from the front of his body or next to TA and not behind stabbing from behind with the pointy part of the knife. I have not seen any other autopsy pics except the one of those wounds you show on your site. I expect that the ME wasn’t thorough in his analysis.

    • Hey geebee2,

      I know you spent a lot of time on that wiki page, and have done a bunch or research.

      Anytime you want an offline conversation, I’ll show you why I think you may be mistaken.

      Ask SJ for my email.

      • Now, I’m curious as to why you think Geebee is mistaken about the wounds. You can’t say it here?

  79. I have a question regarding the gas and gas cans………….So if she filled up two 10 gallon gas cans (which is close to filling up her small rental car twice) has anyone done the math as to how much gas she bought (confirmed by gas station receipts), plus the additional 20 gallons of gas in the trunk compared to the number of miles drove? Is it possible to of used all that gas? If not what did she do with the left over gas?

    • What’s your point, if any? Why are you obsessed with a nonstarter like the gas cans?

      • She wasn’t hiding anything. She drove through remote country in an unfamiliar car.

        • BTW, it’s about 270 miles, give or take, from Reno, Nevada, to Yreka, California, assuming this is the route she took from presumably I-80 from SLC. That’s all remote country from Susanville, 80 miles north of Reno, to McCloud, California, which is just a few miles from I-5. It’s doubtful she went on I-80 to Sacramento, California, up to Interstate 5. That is much farther and takes much longer.

          From SLC to Reno is 518.8 miles and 7.25 hours.

        • I think they were 5gal gas cans. I’ve never seen 10 gal gas cans except the car race track. I too don’t think that gas cans is an issue. JM is great at sensationalism, just as TA was, they jump around and contort their face and gesticulate to mesmerise the crowds, and make much ado about nothing, in particular the gas cans. I wouldn’t waste an ounce of energy on that gas can premise if I were on the jury. Gas cans are a neccessity in everyday life. I have two 5 gal, 1 smaller for the lawn mower and one for the weed eater. And countless that I have lent out and never got returned, or even those I’ve bought and given to stranded drivers. JM is trying to equate the purchase of 1 plastic gas can to the purchase of ammonium nitrare and agricultural fertilizer in bulk. In my opinion he’s insulting the jury by presenting this as evidence, I’m sure of all the men on the jury 2 or 3 have gas cans in their pickup trucks or garage or sheds.

          • Of course I have one in the garage for my lawn mower. I just know JM is going to play this point hard in closing arguements. (and yes 5 gallons was what I meant – was thinking total of 10 gallons : )

        • That’s okay. Just as long as I know you are. 🙂

          People in other places are worried about those silly gas cans. We can only hope the jury isn’t.

          • The trip from Mesa to SLC back to Yreka (assuming she took the 395 north shortcut from Reno) is a little over 1500 miles.

        • Don’t be sorry….we are all trying to make sense of this which leads to questions and discussions, not arguments.

          • Another stupid question … did the car rental guy ever comment that when the trunk was opened the trunk smelled like gas? I know when I drive my little red can back and forth just to get gas for the lawn mower it takes a day or so for the smell to dissipate and sometimes I spill some gas on the edge. It reeks for ever!

            I would think with several gas cans in the trunk for several days, in the heat, there would be a smell of gas embedded in the carpet.

            • I woudnt be surprised if the rental guy didnt smell the gas.TA ‘s roomates didnt smell his decomposed body for 5 whole days,for crying out loud.
              Plus,wasnt the rental guy the same stupid guy who said Jodi’s hair was blond when she went to rent the car?

    • I haven’t really thought about it much because I don’t think those are good reasons to show premed…but I bet if you lurk on the WS site, they more than likely have discussed it ad nauseum 🙂

      I also can’t remember if anyone else has analyzed it that much here either, but it could be helpful to jodi if someone did to prove JM can’t do math! LOL

    • That is the EXACT line that has stuck in my head since I watched that interrogation.
      That and when she says, “Its better people think it was me anyway”, Flores, “no its not”
      Jodi,” It is, believe me, you have no idea”.

      • That and when she says, “Its better people think it was me anyway”, Flores, “no its not”
        Jodi,” It is, believe me, you have no idea”.

        Yep, I’ve posted that exact same thing a couple of times.

      • YES!!!And the WAY Jodi says”you have no idea” …..It’s really haunting and one cant help but giving the cover-up story a second thought.

    • I see no tails in those photos, certainly not like the ones on Alexander’s back.

      The first shows some bleeding on the sharp side and a hilt mark on the other. The bleeding is not the type of tail I am describing, which is an incision casued by the blade of the knife being nearly parallel to the skin.
      The second has no tail at all, AFAICS.
      Neither does the third.

      See the second reference at http://jodi-arias.wikispaces.com/The+Big+Lie#references

      I repeat, there are at least 3 reasons why the back wounds are not stabs:
      (1) Wider than deep ( as per Horn’s testimony and the autopsy )
      (2) Not compatible with other wounds.
      (3) Tails are present that do not occur with stab wounds.

      • Agree GeeBee-

        The wounds on TA’s back look like he could be on top of someone (presumably Jodi) and the person underneath is reaching around. The tails as well as the “cluster” being positioned just at arms reach.

      • So first you don’t tails but then you do, but your example are the tails of a whale and the others are guppies. How often do you see trauma?

        • I think multilpe weapons were used. The references are just basic guides they are not absolute truth. Knives and other sharp pointed instruments are produced in thousands of different designs. We don’t know what weapon or object was used to cause those wounds, I’ve seen a broken radio cause similar wounds. Whatever the case may be, reasonable doubt is the objective and think it’s likelier than not. But, perhaps your right.

      • Well since everyone seems to be discussing it here, let’s go for it.

        Firstly do you think the jury will give a damn if they are stabs or incisions or chops. I think not. There are 20 some knife wounds. That is what will stick with them.

        Now to the question, are those wounds on the back stab wounds. They very likely could be. You can take the narrow definition and say that a stab has to be deeper than its width. I don’t think it’s quite that simple. Remember the sort of stabbing action that JW was demonstrating with respect to those back wounds. So imagine that you are stabbing someone, but you knife makes contact at an acute angle. Draw this out on a piece of paper. Assume the blade has a straight edge and an angle at the point of 30 degrees. Now assume, that the trajectory of the stab is 20 degrees. Let us further assume that this stab wound is 1 inch deep. The width of this wound will be 1.917 inches. Simple trigonometry will show you this. So if Jodi was actually stabbing, sort of like JW was showing, you could in fact have wounds close to 2 inches wide and just an inch deep. Also a stab at a shallow angle will have a penetration that is non-uniform along its length. That means that right where the cutting edge of the blade sits could have a relatively shallow cut as opposed to the other edge. Now as the decomposition and drying sets in and the wound starts stretching and gaping the deeper side will be able to stretch more leaving the impression of a “tail”. So I don’t think there is necessarily some big lie here.

        The more important thing is the angle of entry of the knife into those wounds. That might better depict a position of the stabber with respect to the back. Remember JM is arguing that these wounds were caused with Jodi stabbing TA while he was facing away from her. Jennifer was arguing that these wounds were caused by Jodi reaching around TA.

        I believe that the nature of those wounds is better argued from the trajectory of the cutting edge as opposed to whether they are chops or stabs or bear bites or tiger bites.

        • But the ME did say that they were as if they were over his shoulder….thus is it not reasonable to assume that at that point that Travis was on top of Jodi?

          • Absolutely. The ME said that they would be consistent with the way Jennifer was demonstrating. In which case they could be stab wounds at an angle.

            I know geebee2 has a lot invested in this research, and feels passionately about it.

            What this is all going to really boil down to is two things. Do they believe Jodi and does the jury think TA was abusive to the degree alleged by the defense . If the defense fails to win on those two points, and they are sort of tied in to each other, then Jodi’s in trouble. If they believe that then all these stab wounds and angles and depths and chops aren’t going to mean anything.

        • Thanks Al. One question: “Remember JM is arguing that these wounds were caused with Jodi stabbing TA while he was facing away from her. Jennifer was arguing that these wounds were caused by Jodi reaching around TA.” Which one do you think is more likely? Or, is there no way to tell?

          • Given the size and shape of those wounds, I personally think reaching over the back like Jennifer posited is a better explanation.

        • Points noted, I will consider this.
          But you still have to account for the tails.
          The tails mean for me that the point of the knife didn’t go into Alexander’s back.
          That could be one definition of a stab wound.
          More to the point, I find it unlikely that Jodi is able to move her arm sufficently to stab.
          Depends a bit if you think (as I do) that they are on the floor with Travis on top, so standing up.
          I guess maybe if Travis has lifted her off the ground?
          Otherwise I don’t see it – she wouldn’t be able to reach over.

        • “and the wound starts stretching and gaping the deeper side will be able to stretch more leaving the impression of a “tail”. So I don’t think there is necessarily some big lie here.”

          Two further points:
          “She stabbed him 27 or 29 times” is absolutely a lie.

          No, the tails must I think be shallow incisions. I am not talking about the wound itself, but marks on the skin extending beyond the wound opening.

          This means not a shallow angle stab, but a chop where the point of the knife does not enter the wound at all.

          I’m not invested in things. I’m always quite willing to go in whatever direction the evidence points.

          Now : not all the wounds have tails, that’s true. So there could be a mixture.

          There is also one wound that has a completely different angle on the back, which must have resulted from a different phase in the struggle.

          • Geebee2

            Draw out what I described, or try it out on a piece of meat or plasticene as you call it (I think that’s what we call play dough around here). The “tail” can be a shallow incision left by the cutting edge. Now you have an incision where the cutting edge marks the skin, or parts of it without penetrating to any significant depth. Also as you do this remember the skin and underlying flesh may show more flex under pressure than plasticene.

            In as far as the statement “she stabbed him 27 to 29 times”, thats just in the vernacular. He could have said she “cut” him 27 to 29 times, again the word “cut” being the equivalent of some sort of knife type wound, or “she inflicted 27 to 29 sharp force injuries upon his person.” In the end it really doesn’t matter what term he used. The fact that will stick, in as far as the number of injuries is that there were a bunch of them caused by some sort of weapon.

            Assuming that TA was on top of her. The reach around capability is similar to her giving him a hug. The stabbing motion can come purely from pivoting the forearm at the elbow, which may not be able to deliver a very strong blow but possibly strong enough to sink a sharp blade an inch into the flesh.

      • I agree with getting these facts out. Due to woman convicted before of vicious stabbings
        an a lot of them have been found guilty an life in prison or 25 years in the cases I went
        back an watched from years ago. The Jurors said even well if she had not stabbed so
        many times ? So I do think it matters when the Media keeps stating all those were stabs
        it sounds like a horror movie an Travis was suffering.

        The Jurors are going to keep looking at the photos an showing them to the ones
        that do not want to convict a higher charge. I hope they understand that Jodi was
        scared for her life. She told them she had been choked out before etc.

        I hope they understand Travis had some issues with women also as in not committing
        to just one. Even though he was in a Religion that put pressure on them to commit by
        a certain age. I hope they heard the anger in the ugly emails an texts an IM’S sent too.
        I hope they realize Travis was turned down by Lisa an Mimi for marriage. An wonder why?
        So he would have been in a mood that day when Jodi came for a visit due to these
        women were all turning him away an so was Jodi by wanting to start dating Ryan.

        He
        was the one being rejected many times not Jodi ? Jodi could find a new man she just
        was going for another romp in the hay an probably was going to be her last. Because
        she was talking with Ryan. I hope they can just see those things.
        An last I hope they heard his arrogant voice on that recorded tape he was above it all.

        • Truth,

          That blade would break……… they care cheap…. I think it’s a chef’s knife. Or hunting knife, something that has extremely sharp blade.

          • A heavy chef’s knife probably. Those wooden knife blocks always have one with a big heavy sharp tipped knife. That would also allow the heavy hacks to the head.

  82. geebee2,
    I posted, awaiting moderation, that stab wounds do leave tails, 2 tails with double bladed knives. I will say that the two 2″ lacerations on top of the head which both inbedded in the skull seem to be chop wounds from a hatchet.

  83. i posted a link that if you use in a Google search will bring you here. i think it is awaiting moderation. might help bring this site closer to top of Google if enough of us use it

  84. Regarding the gas cans: The 2 borrowed gas cans by themselves isn’t the problem..it is just one dot in JM premeditation c. e. connect the dot charges. Then he wants to add a couple more dots..she purchased a kero can before leaving California. He trying to prove she lied under oath about returning it. The impeachment of her tesitmony is “the big deal.” More or less…if she lied about returning the kero can under oath, JM is going to jump on this and say she has lied about everything else under oath. Then JM has this 19.65 divided by 3.850= 5.09 g of gas “dot” in Utah. JM has made a “big deal” of these gas can, so you can bet the juror think they are important.

    • I see your point and it’s a good point to ponder. The closing arguements will be interesting because the Det lied under oath, experts supposedly embellished their CV’s, Travis was celibate, yet Jodi had the courage to take the witness stand, which is rare, and all her testimony is a lie according to JM. Walmart became what it is because Sam Walton made the return policy such that the customer is always right. I’ve heard parents say they rent toys from Walmart because of the return policy being so lenient. Walmarts are most of the time very busy with increases the likelihood of human error on the employees behalf. So long as the jury sees Jodi as human as they are, and consider their experiences at a store then she will be credible.

      • Yes, the employees human error factor would be important. I wish a little more luck would go Jodi and her defense team way. The eyeball photo was a “win”..just need a little bit more of those types of things.

      • http://corporate.walmart.com/return-policy

        Do you accept returns without a receipt?

        Walmart, for several years, has accepted returns without a receipt, even though many of our competitors require receipts for all returns. Walmart gives customers the option of a cash refund (if the purchase was under $25), a shopping card for the amount of the purchase (if it was over $25) or an even exchange for the product. Also, as applicable, we follow any manufacturer’s warranties.

        • Exactly, and just because this is there policy doesn’t mean their employee followed the rules. Also, she returned the gas can a few hours later, and maybe the sales associate remembered JODI. Way to many scenarios with this gas can ( KERO BLUE) return without a TAPE….

      • Tonya,

        No worries, remember folks JW and KN already know what’s up with the gas can and gas station….. Stay tuned for this episode this week, I am sure those are JUAN next witnesses….. If they are even called. If not, then you know JUAN is a bigger slime ball than we thought for trying to even bring this issue up to the jury.

        I hope this man rots in HELL for all the lies he has told.

    • If the jury would sentence her to the DP due to the discrepancy of the gas can then she never had a chance with that jury to begin with and they are simply a herd of sheep.

  85. Note: This clip
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=1tZKYBlfkxI#t=8384s

    shows that the picture of the wounds to Alexander’s back ARE in evidence, exhibit 193
    Which was worrying me a ltitle bit until I viewed this

    Note: On cross Horn agrees with wounds are “very shallow” (not exactly in agreement with his direct testimony that they are 1 inch deep ).

    Whether JW knows all about the heel of the knife / chop wound idea is not clear to me; if so it’s not evident! She talks about the force needed, etc. and does an imaginary (and not very credible) stabbing with Jodi face-to-face with Alexander. I guess she could just be keeping the powder dry.

      • Ok.. that’s good of you! No offence whatsoever of course.

        I do think the back wounds are really important, simply because if Jodi is behind stabbing Alexander, it’s hard to believe her innocent, but if she is face-to-face, then innocence is practically proven – he is attacking her and she is trying to get him off.

        • I just realised another thing. It might not be the “heel” of the knife, but instead the curved portion of the blade near the tip. This might make more sense, because her fingers might get in the way of using the “heel”, at least with the knife shown. I’m not sure which fits the wounds better though. If it is the curved portion, you would expect to see tails at both ends of the wound.

          See http://jodi-arias.wikispaces.com/The+Big+Lie#ninechopimage

          • Actually, maybe you wouldn’t get two tails with the curved part.
            I need to think about that.
            May be time for some experiments with plasticene!

        • geebee2, I think so too. Your our knife wound expert and you may of already coveraged this…do you think the knife wounds would match one of the knives in the dishwasher? What is crazy…these 2 room mates don’t believe in eating and unloading the dishwasher and doing laundry.

          • I’m not sure. Firstly I don’t even know everything that was in the dish-washer.
            Was there testimony about that, or is it all in the pre-trial.

            What I am sure about is that the wounds are not stab wounds. The wounds are much too long, given the wounds are very shallow (as per Horn cross-examination). And they don’t agree with the other stab wounds. And the tails. These three factors prove beyond any doubt they are not stab wounds administered from behind.

            It’s always more difficult to do an accurate reconstruction that works than to prove something is wrong. The knife currently showing on my page seems possible, although I would have expected the knife to have a more pronounced heel. But it’s hard to say.

            • I think there are 2 or 3 knife evidence photo out there somewhere, 1 shows 2 knives in the diswasher, then another photo showing the same 2 knives laying on the counter top and I think a 3rd one with the 2 knives next to the butcher block of knives. Zero knives missing from the house that anyone knows of.

  86. Am enjoying reading most excellent and thoughtful posts.
    A thought keeps running in the background like screensavers .
    I wonder if, since around the time of Jmz’s hair and name in lites, that the pros might be trying to throw the game by the cross extremeness to the later witnesses.
    It’s almost as if the whole deal is choreographed. like a play
    The idea surfaced even more so than usual when it was probable that the gas cans would be hashed some more.
    Kinda explained Nurm and crew a little on the relaxed side.

    • QE

      We’ve sort of tossed that around here earlier as well. Sometimes it seems like JM actually wants to lose. The question always is why? It’s not like he can get a do over if they acquit. He can only get a do over if there’s a mistrial. In the case of a mistrial due to prosecutorial misconduct, I’m sure the defense will ask for some relief on a do-over, otherwise every prosecutor who saw his case in trouble could easily commit some sort of faux pas and get another try.

  87. I was trying to express my opinion on a variety of different sites but was called names, and told some ugly things until someone asked, where did you come from? That Jodi innocent site? So, I found all of you and I just want to know why no one here says ugly disgusting hateful things that they say on the sites that are more biased towards Travis? Why is that, I am wondering if someone could explain that to me. I am older married mother of three, used to be in abusive relationship, I work hard for a TV station and think I am fairly intelligent but that is not what these other sites thought I was. I am just wondering if others feel like this, I am so far behind you all and trying to catch up on all this site has to offer, thanks

    • Sometimes we get a little persnickety, but for the most part we aren’t truly hateful toward each other or visitors to the page…

      I can’t explain that…some people are more willing to look at something in closer detail before advocating the death penalty (or are totally against the death penalty), and some people are just more bloodthirsty I guess.

      I think in general the more thoughtful people end up on this page, the ones who are not vigilante minded…and don’t swallow whatever the media tries to feed us.

      • Not that I haven’t wanted to call some people some choice names, however, most of those clowns either left or were cut off before I could unleash. Mainly we maintain decency towards all.

    • kmea,
      Narrow or closed minded people aren’t open to different views or receptive to any deep thinking points of view. Hate breeds hate. Most of them don’t even know why they hate.

    • kmea,

      I’ve wondered the same thing. I first landed on a hater site back when I first wanted to learn more about how this crime happened.

      I was surprised to find so much hatred, little facts and little desire to learn about the how and why these two young lovers and their story ended up as it did. It was very distasteful to read their hatred and hear the spew from the media and the idea that they KNEW what happened, as though they were there!

      I’ve come to think there are 2 types of people – those who will jump on the bandwagon and jump to conclusion without caring about the laws we have in the USA or facts staring them in their face.

      And those, like us, who are willing to take a step back, listen to both sides rationally and then factor in the laws of our country. She’s already admitted she did it. She’s willing to face her punishment.

      The haters don’t seem to notice this minor fact. The haters seem to feel this murder, regardless of what may or may not be known, is equal to a level of the abortion doctor in PA.

      Now, in my opinion that abortion doctor was not doing abortions, He was a serial killer, openly and with many witness who helped him, murdering innocent babies and women.

      I wish some of their hatred would be directed to that case. A Dr. Gosnell type arises to the level of DP worthiness imo.

      • Actually, there’s 3 types of people.

        The third group doesn’t care until and unless they become the accused.

        Then everything matters.

    • Here is an article about why people hate so much online. It’s written by the co-author of a book on Amanda Knox, who apparently is still hated today even after she was released from prison.

      http://tinyurl.com/cgmcg2v

      • Great article! You can add casey anthony to this list as well. I really wonder how casey is doing and how society is treating her.

      • Fortunately for Amanda, she has a number of people who DO believe her to counteract the assholes. I don’t know for sure, but I think public opinion of her in the US is in her favor overall. I’ve seen pictures of her living a normal life.

        Casey, unfortunately, does not have the same amount of public support – hopefully that will change in the future. One aspect that I think helped Amanda is that she is an American who was tried in a foreign court system. Some Americans have the “don’t fuck with one of ours” attitude.

    • I too have tried to put my 2 cents in on News story comments section an even HLN comment
      sections but I got so tired of arguing in a decent way an being cussed out an told I needed
      to die etc. I just gave up there seemed to be no one that could just make a statement without
      curse words or plain rudeness to someone that had another view of the case.

      My favorite line though that is decent was OK Jodi can come live at your house if she gets out
      then? my reply is COME ON TO ALABAMA JODI ! country living no one will bother you out here
      in the sticks I can guarantee you that girl ! I sure would WELCOME her in my home I think she
      is getting railroaded.

  88. Today I could not find my tablet. I like to have it up with twitter on while I’m at work so I’m often getting it in and out of my bag while I am there.

    So, I remembered bringing it home and getting it out of my bag, but I couldn’t find it anywhere in the house.

    Then I thought of Jodi and the knife/knives/dishwasher.

    then I also remembered using it last at work, I THOUGHT. I could also see me using it at home.

    I really did not know which memory was the most recent.

    So I drove back to work today..and there it was!

    BTW does anyone know an android program to watch the live trial with? I can’t play it on my tablet 🙁 I also can’t play SJ’s video links on my tablet either ;(

    • I have ADD, so I completely “get” that concept. It happens to me much more often than I care to admit.

      • I don’t think I have ADD, but I totally get what Jodi is experiencing with the memories…and I haven’t had trauma!

    • I cant play SJ’s videos on my tablet either. I use Usrteam on my tablet on Channel 3tv. It works good. the only bad part of it is the side comments from the haters while watching but I ignore them. But chk it out. It’s “Ustream” if you get it let me know so we’ll be watching together, we can comment back n forth together. The hater would LOVE it, lol!!

    • Don’t know about Android, but for my iPad I downloaded the Phoenix News app. They have a “live” link to the trial. Haters post there constantly but I just enlarge the screen and it wipes them all out so I don’t have to be distracted by them.

  89. Good afternoon to all. Yahoo I got my desktop up and running after a week of trying to use my phone…It was a timely death for my lap tops hard drive…:-( I had to watch HLN for the trial and it was a very sad week……

    I have had so many thoughts this weekend but just wasn’t able to express too many of them.

    • The defense is pretty much done. AZ does not allow a surrebuttal. In AZ surrebuttal (which is where the defense gets to do a rebuttal) is only allowed if the prosecution introduces any “new” evidence during rebuttal, and even then at the discretion of the judge. And we know how Judge Stephens seems to rule most of the time.

      • that sounds so unfair.especially if new evidence is introduced,and I absolutely dont trust Kermit,he may as well do it and Judge wont grant a surrebuttal even if asked by the defense.

  91. I’m not a lawyer but I don’t think so. They rested their case. Chances are that they will not ask for a rebuttal…so after JM gets done it’s closing arguments.

  92. Still trying to figure out what else JM has planned for rebuttal. Don’t know if he’s going with the Walmart and Tesoro people. From what I gather he was originally going with general policy type questions and an e-mail from Tesoro saying all those charges were for gas. It was the defense that went and asked the court to compel the release of complete records. Of course once that happens those records become available to JM as well.

    If I was the defense, before I did any such compelling I would have a real straight forward and candid talk with my client. If they don’t have the records, the defense can always ask the Walmart folks some general questions like “Do you ever, ever, have a clerk ring up a receipt for a return and have the customer leave without it?” Do you ever have customer ditch return receipts in the closest trash bin?”, etc. You know the answer to that and so does the jury and the Walmart person. The same holds for the gas station attendant, you can always ask generalities and you will get the answer you want, that is yes this is our general policy, and sure sometimes we divert from it. So for the defense to call for those records they have to be damn sure that there is something helpful in the records. Otherwise you can bet your last dollar JM will smack you over the head with them. That means they had to have asked Jodi – “Are you sure?”.

    I think as far as that 19.65 at Tesoro is concerned, Jodi knows exactly what that was for and I don’t think it was gas. She had a real smug look on her face when JM was asking those questions. I think she was waiting for him to ask her what it was for, but if you guys remember, he never did. He raised the little math question, about the 5.09 gallons, and then suddenly changed tack, the slimy little, two faced, fork tongued, underhanded, hide-the-truth, insinuating, weasely assed toad that he is.

          • Someone referred to Nancy Yukface as having cloven hooves. I laughed so hard when I read that post back a week or so.

            I have to say, I’ve loved the humor from so many, and I’ve been very thankful for the expert legalese from the many who’ve taken the time to inform and educate us.

            Having our safe little spot online, even though we’re all *canned* and don’t exist, has helped me in many ways. It helps restore my faith in humanity to know there still is goodness out there in this crazy world. A big thank you to you all!

            I <3 TEAM JODI

    • “He raised the little math question, about the 5.09 gallons, and then suddenly changed tack, the slimy little, two faced, fork tongued, underhanded, hide-the-truth, insinuating, weasely assed toad that he is.”

      LOL

      And, I don’t think the purchase was for gas. Or even that early in the morning.

      🙂

    • I’ve been really wondering about her for quite some time now. She’s an amazing person and I really hope she’s doing okay. She hasn’t posted in a few weeks.

        • I’ve wondered how Bella is doing also. It was only because of her that I got the courage to post here. I was so impressed by her and her insight and fair mindedness.

          Wishing Bella all the best <3

  94. LoL!! Someone twitter BLASTED C. H*ghes for having a “JodiArias” hashtag after his business tweets, AND called him the hell out for profiting off his “friend”. Apparently this guy got blocked, but he was sure to tweet about C. Hughes only wants to have discussions with those who believe his “story”.
    Priceless 🙂

    • He’s a tool. I thought that he and his wife weren’t supposed to be watching the trial? He sure does know a lot about the defense’s case…

    • WOW I missed it ! shoot I have been watching that Hughes an he has been twittering
      like crazy ! I would think such a successful business man an upstanding Mormon/LDS
      member would not have so much time on his fingers lol

      An on Jodi’s she was up to
      31,000 followers now an they HATE that ! even if some are haters it makes her look
      more popular on Twitter an sorry but I like that !! Travis supporters about 6,000 I think.

  95. Anyone can call me out on this one….I’m stuck here. The youngest brother of the Boston Bombing just does not fit the profile. I am surprised that he didn’t shot himself. I’m not saying he didn’t place the backpack down in the crowd but something just does not fit. He attended classes all week after the bombing. People who knew him could not even begin to believe that he would do such a thing.

    Perhaps I’m thinking like a mom….

    • The one thing that has bothers me is the amount of gunfire at the boat. The kept saying there was a gunfight but then they are also talking about how weak he was. Im just not convinced the suspect started shooting at them or that he even had a weapon.

      I do think big brother coersed him into doing things.

      • I do also….they never said what kind of weapon he had at the boat……and since my mind wounder in so may ways…who is going to pay for the boat?

      • I agree. I think the older brother was a control freak who had recently become very ‘devout.’ He seemed to be a Rambo-wanna-be before being a ‘Sword-of-Islam’ wanna-be. He also was charged, BTW, with domestic violence, but the charges were dropped.
        The younger brother seemed to have been brainwashed into it. He attended classes after the bombing??? I read somewhere that he was dropping out of college??
        Tamerlane, the first name of the elder brother, is the name of Timur, aka Tamerlane, who established a vast Islamic Ottoman empire with the help of Genghis Khan, in the Caucasus region where Chechnya-Dagestan are, defeating the Arabic Mameluks. He was called the ‘Sword of Islam,’ a Moslem Napoleonic conquistador based in the Chechnya area.
        So his parents are responsible for this delusion of his. They named him Tamerlane.

        Younger brother fled afoot injured into the boat and was seen in it passed out. So who fired, why did it take two hours to just grab him?

        • They said it took so long because they didn’t know if he had explosives on him. They said the older brother was wearing a suicide vest and a detonation device. however, they tackled him at the scene. Seems odd.. why didn’t he use it?

          Also, there are so many other suspicious people in photos floating around from the marathon. The one that sticks out the most to me is the guy with the backpack that looks very heavy and it looks like there is something very large in it. There was even a photo with marks making the outline of a pressure cooker on the backpack.

          I think having the witness that saw the suspect set the backpack down and walk away is key.

    • No you’re thinking like you have something taking up that space between your ears, unlike most of America right now.

      • I think it’s the company I have been keeping out here…lol I have always been analogical and it has gotten me into a whole lot of trouble. Kinda the squire peg trying to fix into the round hole. I know I sure do not think like the people in my life do. My mom and I have agreed not to talk about this trial….how can I tell her at 81 that she hasn’t a clue as to what is going on.

        Besides it’s really hard to talk about the past with her. I was raised the middle of 7 kids, yours, mine and ours… my parents believe in the old rule “spare the rod spoil the child”.

  97. Too bad Belvin Perry wasn’t the judge in this case- I would have loved to see his reaction to juan after throwing the camera and pen, and I do not believe he would have let the pros lying about the e-mails go like Pickles did

    • I saw him throw the camera but somehow missed the pen incident. Any idea where I can view that?

  99. Cindy…re-posted this for you…answer to your post at the top…

    thanks for posting that observation…I noticed it immediately when I read the Flores Report and the Detailed Breakdown report…

    Visualize this…Wednesday morning, June 4, 2008

    1. Jodi arrived at 4 am early that morning…Where did Jodi park her car rental?

    2. Travis is home with Jodi….Where was Travis’ car parked?….Garage???

    3. Enrique is leaving to go to work that morning…he briefly speaks to Travis then leaves…Where was Enrique’s car parked?

    4. Zach has the day off work…he is in and out during the day…he leaves that morning to return his car rental…Where was Zach’s car rental parked?

    Scroll to Photo # 19….this is the front view of Travis’ house….not many places to park…hmmm…

    http://www.examiner.com/slideshow/graphic-crime-scene-photos-admitted-into-evidence-jodi-arias-murder-trial#slide=57271661

    • I forgot to say…

      I believe that both Enrique and Zach saw Jodi’s car rental that morning when they both left Travis’ house…and saying that…I believe that both knew that Jodi was there…

      And that’s what bugs me about the roommates…I feel they knew more than what they told…

    • Didnt Jodi say she always parked her car in front of T’s house?And during interrogation Florez tried to ‘trick’ her when he said”we know you were there,one of the neighbours saw you” and Jodi said,I always parked right there in front of the house but I didnt know the neigbours,even if they knew me I had platinum blond hair back then.
      So I see no reason in the world why would she not have her car parked in front of the house that day.Unless TA asked her not to.
      And I agree,the roommates knew she was there or just because the car was a rental one they at least knew someone was spending the night with Travis.

    • Truthseeker1111, thanks. Something doesn’t smell right does it? Of course they knew she was there…I’m not sure with out looking at the pictures but didn’t the car have a CA plate on it? Now lets faces facts unless TA’s room was sound proof, those two I am sure made allot of noises…..if you get my meaning.

      Another thing someone said today about Travis being surprised that Jodi was there at 4 am in the morning….they had been communicating as she drove.

      Hey has anyone heard anything more about Gus? The last thing was on Fox News that I recall.

      • JA testified that she asked TA if his roomies were home because it would determine how loud/quiet they needed to be.
        I think the last communication TA had with JA before her arrival was at midnight or so…

  100. I know it’s a little late to be asking this and it may have been answered at trial but did they recover the clothes Jodi wore? Or are they somewhere in the desert with the gun? I guess it’s a moot point but it’s almost inconceivable that she did all this in 62 seconds and suffered only one cut on her finger. Also I am worried about her gaunt emancipated look…they need to nourish her better!!

    • Another moot point, but speaking of clothes … did they ever recover any warm up pants with the stripe and zipper, like in the foot pic? In the interrogation room with Flores Jodi comments she owns several pairs in different colors like those in the pic, with a zipper.

      I’ve never heard if they recovered any of these when they searched her room at the grandparents. If I remember correctly, Flores is telling her her room is being searched then, while she was at the PD.

    • I’m sure she’s getting the same food she’s been receiving in jail but likely due to stress/depression/anxiety or other reasons she isn’t eating well.

    • Does anyone know if she is able to purchase food items at the jail with money from her account?

  101. Gwen,
    To my knowledge Jodi clothes were not recovered. Jail house reports each prisoner get 2600 calories a day. She does look frail.

    • Somewhere it was mentioned she may have parked her car down the street at a communal parking spot that is there for the neighborhood as she was known to park there on occasion.

      Not sure if this was ever confirmed or if its even true the neighborhood has parking such as this.

      But if it is, this could be why her car was not out front and the roommates didn’t see it ….

      but then again, these same Einstein’s didn’t smell decomp in their own home and didn’t notice their own roommate MIA until they were told to check for him in his own house ….

        • I just thought of something…

          Let’s speculate based on the Flores report…if the roommates did see Jodi’s car that morning when they both left the house respectively…then that would explain a lot that went on over the course of the next five days….Travis’ CTR ring and wallet found on kitchen counter on Thursday evening by Enrique’s girlfriend…the smell of decomposition in the house all week…maybe they knew he was already dead…Zach had the key to Travis’ bedroom…and there was a shoe print in the bathroom that really no one knows exactly how it got there….Zach cleaning his girlfriend, Mandy’s house on that same Wednesday which is unusual and then there was the cleaning supplies sitting around on the floor downstairs and then their testimony that the bannister was slick like it had been cleaned…and all of them were putting up with the smell of decomp waiting for someone to come looking for him…Marie came 10 pm Monday night looking for him…

          Speculating that fear could have been one of the reasons they didn’t call 911…because once it was found out by Marie and the detective arrived…the detective said, “Before we could determine what had happened to Travis, the subjects (roommates, Marie, and friends) on the scene had begun to mention the name, Jodi Arias. They told officers that if someone had done harm to Travis, we needed to look at Travis’ ex-girlfriend.” (Flores report page 4 top paragraph)

          If you think of something more…please add…

          And if you haven’t read the Detailed Breakdown Report under the Flores Report above…please do so…it is done in an easier to read timeline of who’s who day by day…

          • Jodi’s name was mentioned also during the initial 911 call to the police, after saying Travis was found dead in the bathroom. The last sentence, added in a weird voice after a pause, in a louder voice, saying something like ‘His ex-girlfriend did it. Jodi. Jodi Arias.’ (from ’48 hours’ program)

      • Where she parked her car does confuse me. She mentioned that Travis helped her pack her car sometime between 1p and 5p on the day he was killed. This would seem easier to do if the car was parked in the driveway versus down the street.

        • I rememebr that!She said while on stand that she couldnt remember if Travis had helped her with her things,that she had probably put them back in the car herself.This sounds as if the car was just outside in front of the house,to me.

        • Vicky…that same day…

          Travis and Jodi would have been cutting it close packing her car between the hours of 1pm to 5pm to the time that Zach came back to Travis’ house at 3 pm and stayed until 4 pm…hmmm…

          Zach the roommate came back to Travis’ house around 3 pm…and stayed until 4 pm….then left Travis’ house to go clean his girlfriend Mandy’s house…then returned to Travis’ house 9 pm…

          Then Enrique returned to Travis’ house 6-6:30 pm…

          (all this info is in the Detailed Breakdown Report and the Flores Report)

      • Rainy…

        If that was true…just speculating here…then she would have had one helluva walk dragging bloody mats, clothes, gun, and all the other things that she took to the car…just seem like that was too far away…

        Still speculating…and if she did park down the street…and when she fled from Travis house…wasn’t she still somewhat bloody and it was still daylight outdoors…wouldn’t someone have seen her???

        • Truth, I only read this somewhere – and if there was any truth to it I would also guess when she was packing her car she would have brought it back to the house and parked it on the driveway. But it seems she was on the driveway.

          Your final comment about it still being daylight out – if she was somewhat bloody, her clothes, hair, face, or hands and appeared dazed or crying wouldn’t someone possibly have noticed her at a stop light and maybe thought she’d been beaten up and needed help?

          If I noticed a driver was dazed and a bloody mess I could see myself reporting this and the plate number to the police to have them checked.

      • Rainy,
        Jodi testified she parked in the middle spot in the drive. The communal parking your thinking of is where she parked her moviing van the left Mesa. Flores did tell Jodi a neighbor saw her there. I could be wrong but I think Flores lied about the neighbor to get more information. I’ve not seen written documentation regarding a neighbor seeing her.

        • I missed that part of her testimony. Thank you Ann for commenting. I had only read this somewhere about her possibly being parked in that communal spot and that would account for why the roommates didn’t know she was there.

          This is one more odd thing that neither roommate commented seeing a *strange* vehicle sitting on the driveway the morning of the 4th when they departed for the day.

          When they spoke with Flores I would think they would have said when they left in the morning a car was on the driveway but didn’t recognize it nor did TA mention someone was in the house!

          Even if they weren’t into each others business I would feel upon learning my roommate was dead I’d inform the detective about the presence of AN UNKNOWN CAR on the driveway on the morning of the 4th!

  103. is anybody watching the Hallmark movie. The guy on there has no short term memory and has a ruptured hippacampa. Hmmmm. I know its just a movie but….

  104. DON’T YOU all just want to scream WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED? I honestly do feel that these two young people did love one another. Yes, Travis was abusive…..I hate the way he treated her…I honestly hate this whole travesty.

    I hold the HUGHES partly responsible for this they knew the issues with Travis. So now he has to deal with his own guilt….guilt does strange things to a person….Besides he is hiding something.

    • I’m sorry if I’m gonna sound cynical but since you ask,here’s my take on what happened:TA happened.And no,he didnt love Jodi.Love is not supposed to hurt,whether mentally,physically,verbally or emotionally.Period.IF he trully loved her,as much as she loved him no Hughes,mormom church,friends and what not would stand in his way of fighting for the woman he loved.Again,my opinion and Im gonna stick to it.I have absolutely no repsect or nice feelings for the kind of man TA was.

      • I agree with you for the most part. I get a bit hung up on his childhood. Yes I know that Travis happened!!!!!! But I want to know what the hell set him off that afternoon. Why this all happened. I also would hope you would not have any respect for Travis’s actions.

      • I agree, Maria. There was no love on his part. He was attracted to her, especially at the beginning, and proceeded to seduce her, flexing his power and authority to impress her, and she became his pet. He then proceeded to convert her not just to his religion and PPL club, but also to provide him with sexual services of his liking, and then using her as his emotional punching bag. He LOVED having her and was addicted to her, and would seduce her back when she rebelled.
        There was no love on his part. There was an object to be used and trampled.

    • I think he was addicted to the excitement of being with someone who was willing to please him in every way. I do not think he loved her. I agree with Maria on that one.

      I think he had serious issues and Jodi loved him despite those issues and he could not let it go. She clearly tried by moving away.

      I suspect they were well matched sexually. But by looking at Jodi’s writings versus Travis’ writings, she was the one who was more cerebral and spiritual than he was. They were NOT well matched emotionally or spiritually as Jodi is a better person than he was.

      • I think that Travis had a deep hatred of women, all tied back to his mother. She failed him and he did not trust women as a result.

    • Hard to LOVE someone when you don’t know what LOVE actually is…. Travis didn’t have this in his childhood. Yes, his grandmother finally took the children but, but he didn’t have a loving mother or father. Those are things you learn as a child. You learn from your parents. It was if he was living different personalities. How can you call yourself a MORMON but not follow the RULES? No SEX before marriage? If you date someone and you know right away this person is NOT the one you want to MARRY you are to get out of the relationship. HYPOCRITE, DECEITFUL, CONTROLLING, MANIPULATIVE, ETC……………

  105. The most common causes of damage to the hippocampus are auto accidents, violence against others, sports, and slip and falls. Damage can be done to the hippocampus through either blunt force trauma (such as a club) or penetrating trauma (such as a bullet). Another common cause of injury to the hippocampus is hypoxia, or prolonged lack of oxygen to the brain, which can be caused by drowning or choking. The hippocampus is extremely sensitive to a lack of oxygen and even a short period can result in permanent damage.

    ……………………

    So when babydoc was talking about permanent damage it was damage done to the hippo from and injury, not stress or trauma.

  106. seek2….re-posted here in response to your question at the top…

    It appears to be that Jodi is wearing women’s athletic pants in black or navy blue slightly flared bottom leg that has possibly two narrow blue vertical stripes down the side of the pants…

    Click on ebay link below of the pants that looks similar to what Jodi was wearing…also you can find some older pants for sale that people are still selling and I have found several…

    Since the stripe looks narrow…it has to be at least 2 or 3 stripes down the side of the pants…we can clearly see the one vertical blue stripe that is on this side of the side seam and the other stripe that we can’t see would have to be on the other side of the side seam …

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/CITY-LIGHTS-BOUTIQUE-ATHLETIC-YOGA-WORKOUT-WOMEN-PANTS-MED-BLACK-QUALITY-EUC-/171022997656?pt=US_Womens_Athleticwear&hash=item27d1c3d898

    It was said that Jodi was into yoga…and many people use these pants for that purpose…

  107. I’m going to ask this again, since my phone isn’t the best thing to post with. If no one knows the answer, thats cool too
    Why did the DA wait until rebuttal to get their hack doctor on the stand, since they knew the defense experts were to going to testify as to Jodi’s mental status, and being battered. It seems to me that they did this on purpose, so their expert would be able to attempt to disqualify anything the real experts stated in her defense. Is this typical….I see it as being awfully shady, since DeMarte had evaluated Jodi in plenty of time before the DA rested its case. Maybe its how these trials work, I’m not expert as alot of you are. It seems very unfair to me for a defendant who fighting for their life. What a screwed up justice system we have indeed!
    .if they had additional information, they should of presented it DURING their case presentation,.now the Walmart employee and the gas station employee….really….wtf…..I suppose we can anticipate and ex boyfriend who Jodi dated once will surface and talk about her stalking now right…bullshit!
    Thanks, and sorry for the rehash of a previous post.

      • I found this video the other day…it shows several short snippets of first Demarte…then Alyce, then Dr. Samuels…of how they answered to the questions about giving Jodi gifts….

        Whoever filmed the video is trying to show favoritism toward the prosecution using Demarte first to explain that she doesn’t bring lollypops and presents…she says that crosses ethical guidelines and is inappropriate behavior…

        And they are trying to discredit what Alyce and Dr. Samuels says next…

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbchoNyo40s

        After I finished watching it…I thought to myself that Demarte was nothing but a cold hearted smart ass doctor that I would never let any of my children go to…and then there is Alyce…such a nice and caring person…then Dr. Samuels seemed like he was a concerned person himself…

        P.S.In the past some pediatricians have given my children….a sucker…a tongue suppressor…a blowed up vinyl glove and even put eyes and a smiley face on it to cheer up my kids when they were sick…and it really did make a difference…my kids became more relaxed with the doctor…

        • Yes, doctors do that all the time. She is either a cold b*ch or a liar. I feel sorry for the children she ever treated. They probably were only guinea pigs for her degrees anyway.

    • I find it shady too, Melvis. That’s why I asked earlier if the defense can bring in any witnesses too on there rebuttal (if they get a chance at a rebuttal). I would’ve expected to see Sky answering to some of what was written on those emails but then again why give her the chance to take anything she wrote to TA back. If just seems shady how Martinez is now bringing in Walmart employees to explain what, employee guidelines? We all know NOT all employees go by the rules (but he’ll try anyway). Its just wrong! !

    • The prosecution couldn’t have put its doctor on the stand until Jodi opened the door for them to do so. There are procedural rules that have to be followed. And yes, it’s very common in trials to do something like this to rebut evidence put on by the defense.

  108. Nothing about this case makes sense but JM and the talking heads are all acting as if everything that has happened is logical. Sure, it’s logical to drive hundreds of miles with the intent of goading someone twice your size into a fight to the death and only hope, thru luck, that you, being the smaller, weaker person came out on top and that, again thru pure luck, that none of the roommates happen to be there. And it’s perfectly logical for the body to lay there for days on end with people running in and out but taking no notice of the smell or the absence of TA. What is Nance fond of saying ‘There’s no coincidence in criminal law’ but they are sure the hell relying on coincidence and pure luck!!

  109. Ok how can the same people that went out an SLANDERED Alyce an Dr. Samuels an Gus Searcy an not sure who all else but I am sure they have anyone that testified in court for the Defense…….How can they say an actually put out a petition for the same things they are an have done to others ? STUPID !

    https://www.change.org/petitions/create-travis-alexander-s-law-stop-allowing-highly-prejudicial-claims-against-murder-victims-without-evidence?utm_campaign=share_button_action_box&utm_medium=facebook&utm_source=share_petition

    Sign this petition
    with 11,149 supporters
    3,851 NEEDED

    THEY HAVE DONE ALL THESE THINGS to anyone that views the case differently but yet want to say
    they have more rights ???>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    slander n. oral defamation, in which someone tells one or more persons an untruth about another which untruth will harm the reputation of the person defamed. Slander is a civil wrong (tort) and can be the basis for a lawsuit (and should be for the victim’s family as well). Some statements such as an untrue accusation of having committed a crime or heinous offense, having a loathsome disease, etc., are treated as slander since the harm and malice are obvious.

    These people make me ill. ……Travis’s words are everywhere on the internet I did not
    even have to know all the facts just reading his My Space an reading how he conversed with friends was very reveling of what type of man he was in life. He had no qualms himself about slandering others that is very evident. Recording proved that about the people he did not like in Palm Desert (Mormons) an (PPL) an also about Abe he said he was soulless etc. Wow if that ain’t the pot calling the kettle black I don’t know what is then. WOW

    • They are crazy. They have never heard of the Bill of Rights or the right to a fair trial.

    • If anybody “slandered” Travis Alexander, it was Travis Alexander himself.

      Those signers are totally delusional.

  111. I’ve got a question about the stabbings since Geebee2 has really educated us about them…I don’t remember the defense ever explaining the “defensiveness” of the stab wounds. Somebody (I’m pretty sure it was AL but I’m maybe getting this wrong) said that Jennifer brought out that Jodi stabbed Travis in the back when he was laying on top of her.

    I remember that Nurmi was the one who provided the direct examination of Jodi and I don’t remember him ever bringing out the how the stab wounds ended up on Travis. I also don’t remember Jennifer ever explaining the defense’s idea of how the struggle related to the stabbings. I just plain don’t remember the defense ever highlighting the scenerio that Geebee2 has so intricately explained…

    Did the defense ever do what Geebee2 has done and show that the stab wounds on Travis’ back were because he was on top of her? I’ve reviewed Jodi’s direct and redirect and I just can’t find it…Could anybody give me what day of the trial that evidence was discussed (sequencing and manner of knife wounds as relating to Jodi being attacked by Travis)?

    • I was referring to the question that Also Abused posed…

      “Thanks Al. One question: “Remember JM is arguing that these wounds were caused with Jodi stabbing TA while he was facing away from her. Jennifer was arguing that these wounds were caused by Jodi reaching around TA.” Which one do you think is more likely? “

      • not to sure if this has been made clear to the jury……

        I would think that if Jodi was stabbing facing his back, the wounds would be much deeper..and not show in the cluster..

    • Linda,
      The ONLY time the stabbing was discussed by the defense was when Jen was during cross exam with Dr. Horn. Jen ask him if the stab would could be from someone facing T and reaching around stabbing him. She said, something like…paraphrasing…wouldn’t that type of reaching around stabbing be less force resulting in shallow wound? and Dr. Horn agreed.

  112. If the intention was to kill TA and she had a gun at the ready why not just empty it on him? I tell you why. It’s because the shooting was not meant to happen at all and when it did, she was tackled directly after so then it became a matter of grab what you can to save yourself. I can’t fully explain the throat thing but I don’t think it wasn’t part of the overall killing. Who knows what her state of mind was after all this.

  115. I’ve never seen the chart used during Jose Baez’s closing.
    I’ve known victory is in sight, but if ever there were doubt, that chart is all one needs.

    Thanks for the consistantly uplifting posts SJ and others.
    Onward.

    Forever Team Jodi.

  116. Where can we find photos of the PPL Cancun Leadership Summit June 10-14, 2008. I want to see if Chris Hughes got thrashed by TA. They accused Jodi of wearing long sleeves in Utah to hide injuries. I have a hunch that some PPL attendees might be wearing long sleeves and blue jeans on the beach, with a pair of sun glasses. Photobucket, Myspace,Facebook ….. any ideas?

    • Maybe on a PPL site somewhere? You know how they love to go on about how LUXURIOUS your life style will be as a PPL member. You’ve seen the pics of them standing beside their BMW’s, they have to have Cancun pics somewhere. They are so pathetic……uuugggghhhh

    • CH did have photos of that trip on his FB page, but I noticed last night they have been deleting stuff of of their FB accounts pertaining to this trial.

      • When Jodi is acquitted, the FBI should take over and investigate this murder as a hate crime based on religion. I guess it’ll be a closed case since it would then be deemed a justifiable killing. The Yogurt Shop Murders in Texas, is a 22 year old cold case where 4 teens were robbed, raped, murdered and set on fire, among other sadistic acts they suffered ; has had a Commission approve outside analysts to investigate the case. A witch hunt, mob law, media driven, prosecutorial misconduct, water boarding Detectives using cayenne pepper, got false confessions from some 17 year old boys, with no physical evidence, purely circumstantial case, resulting in one sentenced to DP and the other Life no parole, only to be exonerated after 10 years in prison by DNA advancements, DNA did not match, years later a photo surfaced of the interrogating detective holding a loaded gun against the boys head. Before trashing the TA case an outside party should review it also. The Mormons need to be put in check. The Mormons got run out of Texas back in the 1840’s, authors of that era that witnessed Mormon behavior stated that it was inappropriate for books. Texas Rangers kept a close eye on them from one side and the Commanche Indians from the other.

    • Jodi is highly intelligent and Multi talented. I’m just throwing an idea out there based on artist of the past. The Jodi paintings, might they contain hidden messages like other painters or artists?

  117. Cancun (Co Paid Vacation) Leadership Summit
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    Winners will enjoy 5 days, 4 nights at the spectacular Moon Palace Golf and Spa Resort in Cancun, Mexico.

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    All-inclusive amenities include luxurious accommodations, fine dining, 24-hour room service, non-motorized water sports and entertainment. Don�t miss this unbelievable experience. Start working now, apply for your passport, and we’ll see you in Mexico!

    Must be min”Player’s Club 5″ qualified and Executive Director, that’s it!

    See you in June/2009′ in the Dominican Republic

  118. If you are in need of a laugh, google Nancy Graces’ eyebrows. It was a good 30 minutes spent looking at different pictures.

    I also found a blog by teen Sleuth called know your monsters. It is very good and I have hope for our younger generation
    Here is the link
    http://teensleuth.com/blog/?p=17648
    It is a write up of Nancy Grace

    • That was amazing, but so sad to see what she did to people. I didn’t realize she caused two different young women to commit suicide. It’s amazing that woman is STILL on the air.

  119. I’ve been browsing the Team Renew page on FB, the team that Chris and Skye Hughes head for PPL/LS. I have learned that it costs $249.00 to join, the fee is an associate entry fee. There are pages and pages of how to convince people to join legal shield and how to sell and make money. It’s hurting my brain looking at this mess. The whole Hughes family is involved, all 5 brothers. quote: “They are the first and only family with 5 brothers who have all reached the top level of the same company, 4 of whom have each earned more than $1,000,000 in commissions and overrides! Collectively, the Hughes Brothers have earned nearly $7,000,000 in Pre-Paid Legal!”

    A link to Chris Hughes’ story. Be prepared to barf.
    http://www.teamrenew.com/chris-sky-hughes

    • Yeah, they’ve earned their money collecting entry fees from the easily-scammed people in their downline. Crooks.

  120. truthseeker and geebee had some photos that i had not seen before, in going through these photos, i saw this pic, if you look from the left it looks like a woman and it does not look like jodi, please take a look at it. http://s1287.photobucket.com/user/geevees/media/53216kchart_zps4c65298e.jpg.html?sort=3&o=10#/user/geevees/media/smallmirrorimage_zpsfed97f77.jpg.html?sort=3&o=15&_suid=123503386808609543439610683995 Also, in your theory on knives, i was wondering if some of the knife wounds you referenced could have come from a meat cleaver, some knife blocks have a cleaver in them, mine does. ty

    • Wow!!! Thanks for sharing those!!! I find it interesting that more of those pictures weren’t introduced. ESPECIALLY THAT DRAGGING PICTURE!!! I also found the “pantleg” picture interesting when it was lightened up you could see a shadow of what appears to be a head.

      And the picture of THE ROPE!!!!! Why wasn’t that introduced???

      What are the really light (white) pictures supposed to be?

      Again… the more I look at these pictures the more I think it was more than a “Sexy Calvin Klein” photo shoot. He looks like he is praying or something. The one with his arms crossed on his chest and the one with him leaning over with his hands on the wall. It just looks like he is preparing for whats about to happen. The last picture taken of his face is just creepy too. It’s like it someone said… “look straight into the camera. This is going to be your last picture taken alive”.

      eb.. I think the slideshow just took me to the beginning with the really light picture. Which picture are you referring to?

  121. Hello everyone! I havent been on here in several weeks and have spent many hours reading the posts that I have missed on here.
    ALSO ABUSED I want you to know that as I read your posts I realized what a TRUE SURVIVOR you are!!! You have lived through so much yet do not have a hateful heart. You feel for others and see the good in humans. It makes me wonder what the heck happened to all the women who hate on Jodi? Why they find the need to call a woman they have never met terms that are typically spoken by men to degrade the female sex? Then I began thinking back to something that happened many years ago. I used one of those degrading terms word towards a girl in my grade in front of a family friend. I think I called the girl a skank or some other 8th grade term. This family friend (who was a woman)spun around and walked right up to me and gave me the best advice I have ever gotten. ” Honey,” she said,”The way we speak is a direct mirror of our intelligence or lack thereof.” Those words of wisdom I have carried with me ever since. But it was the posts that I have been reading tonight that made me think of those words again. We supporters of Jodi wonder why we cant go to the hater sights and have an educated conversation. The answer is clear based upon the way they speak on those sights the majority of them are uneducated. If they were more than mere high school drop outs they would have a wider vocabulary. And would not have to use terms that 8th and 9th grade children are using in the hallways at the area Junior/Senior High Schools. And IF they were educated people they would be able to look at the evidence presented in court and see the reality of what has occured. And the few on those sites that do speak with a tone of intelligence seem to be POD PEOPLE who just repeat what the talking heads are saying on HLN. They do not seem to have any of their own opinions. Just the same justifications that Nancy Grace, JVM or one of the other talking heads gave on their show that night. Those hater sights are full of people who must have such sad lives that they have to degrade Jodi to make themselves feel better. With that I think I will end my comment before I go against another piece of advice I was given….If you cant say something nice dont say anything at all….Maybe those sights should heed that advice!(They would make more sense)

    • Thanks for the kind words, Jennifer, and welcome back!

      I have been re-reading a book by Donald Dutton (a clinical and social psychologist in Toronto who has spent decades working in the arena of intimate partner abuse, especially focused on discovering why men become abusers) called “The Batterer: A Psychological Profile” in which he briefly comments on this strange phenomenon of how some battered women don’t seem to understand other battered women.

      He says: “[She was] exhibiting the strange attitude that some battered women hold toward other battered women. They need to justify their own choices makes them extremely judgmental of battered women who don’t behave the way they do.”

      Does that explain it?

      • AA You hit the nail on the head with this

        He says: “[She was] exhibiting the strange attitude that some battered women hold toward other battered women. They need to justify their own choices makes them extremely judgmental of battered women who don’t behave the way they do.”

        You hit it with this one. I have been thinking this all along. The women that hate the most are also abused……

        I have been running into this with members in my own family. I find it interesting that they can not even look at this trial only listen to the news and we all know that what is on the news is the truth……

        ;

      • Jodie was certainly used by Travis. Abused is a broad term. He used her for sex, borrowed money
        from her that she could ill afford to give him, edited part of his book and got no credit. Even the
        prosecution can readily admit that she was used.

        She may indeed have a personality disorder, but there is also evidence she had PTSD. I think thatif
        the defense does not take an all or nothing approach at closing they may have a chance of a
        favorable verdict.

    • Big Hugs back. And you got the better of me on the rap – that’s one thing I can’t abide.

  125. I was searching for something else this weekend and happened upon a link where someone took the time to transcribe the interrogation tapes from when Jodi was in custody in CA. I never had the stomach to watch them all as I found them so upsetting. But it was very very interesting to read them. One of the things that stands out is Jodi’s consistency between then (July 15, 2008) and when she testified — other than the fact that she was telling the story of intruders killing Travis: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=203866

    Towards the end of that page, there’s a portion from Tape 7, where the female officer (FO) is interviewing Jodi (JA):

    “28:14
    FO: You know, was he roughing you up and you just couldn’t take it anymore? Was he being violent on his part?

    28:21
    JA: He was only that way a couple times. It was before I moved. People just… I had bruises and stuff, and people were like “Oh, is Travis beating you up?” and we’re like Ha, Ha, Ha, and he got mad because I wore a short sleeve shirt, but it was like 100 degrees outside.”

    So, even then, Jodi mentioned the abuse. And apparently, people commented on the “bruises and stuff”. Where are those people?

    • Also in reference to the abuse, a while back, my friend drew my attention to a very old post from someone who claimed to know Travis very well. Look at the last comment on the bottom of the page:

      http://mydeathspace.com/vb/showthread.php?10763-Jodi-Ann-Arias-shot-and-stabbed-her-ex-boyfriend-Travis-Alexander-to-death/page20

      “especially if she tries to pull the “battered woman” defense which she no doubt will try and do.”

      That was posted on 2/15/09 right around the time of the 48 Hours “Picture Perfect” airing which was a time during which Jodi was NOT claiming self defense at all, and was telling the story of the intruders. So why exactly was someone — even then — saying that she might pull a battered woman defense UNLESS that person knew Travis was an abuser.

      Couple that with Jodi telling the female officer about Travis abusing her during the interrogation 7 months before that comment was posted by someone who knew Travis. Add in what Gus Searcy said — that there are other women who could come forward, but can’t risk their reputations. Does that leave you feeling that Jodi’s claims of abuse are so uncorroborated and unsubstantiated? Does that leave you feeling that Jodi is making up all these lies JUST to ruin the character of a dead man? Of course none of us here believed that. But there’s a LOT more evidence of abuse than has been revealed, obviously.

      I also find it interesting that Dr. DeMarte said Jodi told Dr. Carp about more abusive events than she told her. I wish we could see Dr. Carp’s report.

  126. ALSO ABUSED….I am not sure if you red my comment above but if not I want to tell you again as I was reading through the last few weeks of comments, due to health rasons I have not been following the trial like I want to, that you have posted I have seen what a strong woman you are!! YOU HAVE been through s so much and yet are kind and caring towads others…My mom use to tell me that their was a special place in HEAVEN for people with HEARTS and SOULS LIKE YOURS ALSO ABUSED!!! You are a true survivor! IAs I read you talk about your fiance I was greatful that you are FINALLY BEING loved the way a WOMAN LIKE YOU DESEARVES TO BE!!!! God BLESS YOU ALSO ABUSED!!!

    • Thank you Jennifer. I honestly don’t think I deserve all that credit. There are so many women I’ve encountered who have been through so much more than me. I am indeed extremely lucky to have my fiance because he has helped me heal. So many women who come from these toxic relationships can never trust a man again. Others try again, but get sucked into another abusive relationship. It is so very sad.

      I’m so sorry you’re having health problems. I really hope you feel better soon.

      • WOW AA are you talking about my life again?

        So many women who come from these toxic relationships can never trust a man again. Others try again, but get sucked into another abusive relationship.

        Yup so true….. and I have to admit I am one of those women. I have to admit I have the trust issue going on. But if I see a red flag and my gut hurts I run for the hills….

  128. There’s a movie playing on lifetime now called Blue Eyed Butcher. It’s about Susan Wright. She tied her husband to the bed and stabbed him 199 times. Her defense was she was abused. The case is so much like Jodi’s it’s eerie. This movie is told from her point of view. After watching the movie you will feel she was wrongly convicted and you feel for her. It’s at the red box too. It’s a good movie.

    • An that is what worries me is that the JURY concentrated on the STABS how many
      times. The prosecutor acted out each stab also for the Jury on a bed. They could
      not get over the torture part an how the victim suffered even if he was a asshole.
      An that was a woman that had proof of DV. But it was not enough for a JURY to
      think the man deserved what he got in the end.

      Sorry I believe he got what he deserved. I would hope women would wake up an
      just leave jerks like that instead of hoping for change. Men do not change very
      often ones that are self centered an think women are for their use when they need
      them. An truly believe women are nothing but for sex an child bearing an cleaning
      the house an waiting hand an foot on them.

      There are so many men like that they
      will not change they were raised that way an some Religions say it is suppose to
      be that way. One I can think of is Pentecostal here in Alabama the women only
      wear skirts or dresses no make up ever never cut their hair wear it in a bun most
      the time an also no tv or dancing or music except for Gospel. They speak in
      tongues an they have a very strange Church were the people cry an scream
      an throw themselves on the floor. I went one time to see what it was all about an
      it scared the hell out of me. Needless to say I figured out the guy I was in love
      with was so messed up there was no way a strong independent woman as
      myself would ever fit into his life no matter how much I loved him he was ruined.

  130. Geebee (or anyone else), what kind of knife does it take to almost decapitate a person? I don’t have a knife that sharp in my kitchen. Is that even possible?

    • Not to be gross….

      ….but the cut to Travis’ throat was very high up, just below his jaw. It’s pretty much all “soft stuff” there and his vertebrae/spinal cord was intact. I’m sure that the knife had to be sharp, but it didn’t go through bone.

    • AA yes it’s possible…have you ever cut up chicken? I know I saw something about the fact that the ME (I think it was him) said that the wounds were indicative of a kitchen knife. I would have to go back and find it. But then someone out here said that the knives in TA kitchen didn’t match the wounds….hummmmmm

      Ok so why is there no court today?

      • I should explain a bit more: I think maybe Jodi put him in the shower, then slit his throat for some reason related to blood atonement. Sounds a bit batty, but it seems to fit the facts.

        Or he was obviously dying and she finished him off ( possibly on his request ).

        Or just to end the fight, that’s certainly also possible. But the forensics seem to be against that.

        • No the throat slash was on the carpet at the end of the hall I think.

          I am still not certain it was all done the very same time the struggle
          was going on. There are 6 days no one even tampered with the
          scene? I do not believe that. My Opinion.

      • Then where did that large pool of blood on the carpet come from. I guess it could come gushing out of the chest wound, but the ME seemed to think that a lot of that bleeding would be internal and at a lower flow rate than what tends be be pointed at by the stain on the carpet.

    • Did what? Slit his throat? Yes, I think so.

      It’s just possible that Travis did it himself ( but no hesitation marks ).

      I admit it’s possible someone else came in later and did it.
      Cannot be ruled out as far as I know. Perhaps the news leaked out. She told Gus Searchy, didn’t she?
      I’m not up to speed on this. Jodi is innocent either way.

      • You know, I found that curious watching again Kevin Horn, M.E.’s testimony. He said something about the possibility of the throat slash being self-inflicted.

        • Darn AA now I have to go back and watch that…..I was going to be soooooooooooo productive….in my own life…..today

          WOW this is big..when you stop and think about it….

        • I read the transcripts from the ME. He did mention self infliction but he was comparing a self inflicted throat cut to a non-self inflicted cut. He said with a self inflicted cut you have “hesitation marks” where the person usually will hesitate and cut once or twice before just doing it. He said that Travis’s throat injury was not consistent with self infliction as there were no hesitation marks.

  132. You know you make a great point..but as far as Gus Searchy is concerned…I’m not sure about that. You noticed how nothing has been said about the phone call Jodi made to him in the middle of the night. Why wasn’t he questioned? Ever?

    Ok my mind is going to the “dark” side here but …Ok smarter people then me have been say that JM seems to be throwing the case. So lets say Jodi walks I beginning to think that there is a hit out on her. If she stays in jail there is a chance that she could start talking……. I know perhaps I have been watching way too much CIS or shows like that.

    • I think folks (prosecution and defense) said they checked Searcy’s phone records and his story of when he got the call didn’t match his records.

      • hummmm that would make more since……so do you think that JM is throwing this case? Or perhaps he really never had one to begin with for M-1.

        • We’ve all wondered that in the past, that there are things he’s done that seem to have intentionally opened the door to a mistrial, like throwing stuff, telling Jennifer to “piss off” in open court, made some other really stupid errors.

          But that just doesn’t make sense. Any mistrial due to prosecutorial misconduct could possibly end up tying his hands in any future trial. He can’t, by law, introduce any new evidence in any retrial – that’s not allowed. So why throw the case.

          Much as we don’t like the dude, one has to grant him the fact that he’s trying this case with all due rigor. I think the real issue here is that he brought a M-1 DP case on relatively shallow, circumstantial evidence of pre-meditation. I also don’t know if he had all the facts available to him before he brought the DP case (all about the DV and abuse etc). Plus, it seems like AZ seems to have a penchant for charging folks with the DP and they have an overturn rate that is huge (over 80%), most for prosecutorial misconduct or judicial error.

          The fact of the matter is that they have probably already spent over $2M (the defenses costs are over $1.4M) trying this case, and they probably will spend a bunch more before its all said and done. And they would have had a cost estimate a long time ago. So there’s a massive incentive/ push from somewhere to try this as a DP M-1. Don’t know where that’s coming from or why.

          The plea deal the defense offered, M-2 was without any sentencing guidelines. That meant the prosecution could have asked for, and gotten a sentence of up to 22 years. But I guess the State wanted more.

      • Just by understanding the type of man Gus Searcy is I would think he was mistaken about the
        time an date is all over excited I am sure about a friend involved in something like this would
        throw more people into a daze on times an dates. He was the only one that was honest I do
        believe as the way he handled JM he is not dumb by any means an can handle himself in a
        court of law fairly well I think. I am sure Chris Hughes an Dave Hall has made his life a living
        HELL for being kind an honest though.

    • Heck no. They still have some time, they’re just juniors.

      But it’s getting to be like Goldilocks, this one’s too hot and that one’s too cold, etc.

      We’ll see.

  135. I read this page often, but have never posted before. I don’t believe this crime was premeditated, but I haven’t seen anyone here discuss what i believe will be the prosecution’s best argument on this point. Jodi did use credit cards, and did use her cell phone, during her trip, but she did not the entire time she was in Arizona. If this is true, then he will argue that the gas cans were purchased so that she could detour from her route to Utah without anyone knowing because she would not need to purchase gas during that part of the trip. Her phone also convenient died during this part of the trip so there would be no record of her having been in Arizona. Of course, there are problems with that argument – the roommates, being late for Ryan, etc. But is it true that none of the receipts for purchases happened in Arizona and that her cell phone was turned off for that portion of the trip?

    • Curious,

      Move your post to the new discussion page. This thread is probably done with. 🙂

  136. Hey there! This a long post, but I have to get a few things off my chest.

    First of all, I hope you all had a very nice weekend. On my part, I spent all day Saturday and Sunday reading Jose Baez’ book about the Casey Anthony trial. :'(

    There are so many parallels in Casey’s and Jodi’s trials. So much hatred directed at them. And so many incredibly horrible actions taken by the prosecutors, the police and the judges. I hope and pray that Nurmi and JW have a great support system because they’re going to need it. Just by reading the whole story about Casey and Jose’s ordeal, I swear, I don’t know how Jose actually survived that trial.

    That Jeff Ashton is a sorry excuse for a human being and the two judges who presided over that case were no better. Those judges let Ashton get away with so much, I still feel disgusted right now. Reminds me exactly as to what this judge is doing to Jodi’s defense team. I feel like crying and that’s something I rarely do.
    I’m wondering if there’s truly nothing we can do about the judge and the prosecutor’s conduct. Seriously. Are they untouchable? Do they not answer to someone above? (Obviously, not God)…I mean like the Supreme Court or something? I just find it frustrating that they are getting away with so much.

    Anyway, back to the book. I already liked Jose based on the few times I caught bits and pieces of the trial, but now he’s truly one my heroes. I give props to his wife for staying by his side through all the horrible things he had to endure while defending Casey. She must be an amazing woman! They’re both amazing people.

    As Jose takes you through his whole ordeal from beginning to end, you’ll start to get upset and angry and sad and you’ll feel deflated at times and sooooo much frustration and in my case, as I was reading, I felt such despair. You’ll wonder how it’s possible that Jose never once thought about giving up. Seriously. Read this book.

    I didn’t follow CA’s case as much as I’m following Jodi’s, and the little I saw on TV was of course via HLN. At the time, I had no idea who Nancy Grace was, but it only took one show for me to truly dislike her. Anyhow, I did not know whether Casey was guilty or not, but I remember that when the Not Guilty verdict was announced, I was very happy but only because I wanted NG to eat shit.

    The main reason I am so glad that I took the time to read this book is because it made me realize that these fucking people actually got to me. Even though I consider myself to be an independent thinker I realize that the way HLN covered Casey’s trial did have some influence on me. I am so ashamed to admit it. Prior to reading this book, I was certain that Casey had something to do with Caylee’s death. And now that I know better, I feel the need to apologize to Casey for passing judgment on her without having all the facts. I never watched Jose’s closing arguments so I really never knew about Casey’s abuse or why she acted the way she did after Caylee “disappeared”. I just had a feeling that she had done something or knew more than she was telling, which in fact, turned out to be true, but not for the reasons everyone thought. Anyhow, it would have been such a travesty if she had been found guilty. Especially, because of the malicious way the prosecution conducted itself.

    To Casey: I hope and pray that somebody out there is helping you out. You are amazing and I hope one day you can be free to live your life without the scrutiny of all these stupid people who have nothing better to do than hate. That reflects on them. Not you. Keep your head held up high. You are a survivor in more ways than one. And you have more superior moral fiber in one little finger, than the whole slew of haters out there beginning with the HLN hosts. ALL of them.

    As far as Jodi is concerned. The people who attacked Casey are the same people who are attacking Jodi right now. Of course, I’m sure those of you who read Jose’s book already know this because Jose talked about them and how they set out to destroy him and Casey. Some of you have posted about them. I’m not going to say who they are because I’d feel contaminated just by typing their website’s name.

    Anyhow, now more than ever, I’m convinced that Jodi needs to be free. It just has to be that way. I’m sorry TA died the way he did. But at the same time, I’m sure happy Jodi is still here with us and I’ll do whatever I can to make sure it continues to be that way.

    Go Team Jodi! <3

  137. SERIOUSLY just juniors..man I thought they were going to do the big walk in a few weeks…hummm that explains allot..no wounder they drive you crazy and they don’t have a car yet…Do I see summer jobs in their futures? lol

  138. I love that chart! I really hope the jury sees that or something like it! Jodi I am holding your words too girl! “because I’m innocent. and….you can mark my words on that.” oh yes! I got butterflies tonight I admit, wondering what is going to happen this week, perhaps even tomorrow. I don’t think I’ll sleep much tonight. I bet you won’t either. hope your migraines are staying away, far away too! I wish I had the money to come there and show my support in person, I really really do. but, we’re under the same sky, I look up at the stars and think about God wrapping his arms around you and giving you peace, bringing you through this dark dark time in your life. very soon my friend, this will all be behind you. believe it.

  140. I think that the wounds to Travis’ back are wounds created like was mentioned where Jodi’s left arm comes over Travis’ right shoulder. This would suggest to me that Travis had Jodi around her waist with his head on the right side of her body. Travis’ movement would be just like a football player tackling someone around the waist. Jodi’s left arm and hand would have been free to grab the knife from wherever it was, most likely on the sink counter top which would have been on Jodi’s left side after Travis had tackled her or was in the process of tackling her. Maybe after Jodi shoots Travis in the head with the gun and while Travis has his head down Jodi reaches for the knife on the sink and is then tackled by Travis. In the image of the sink on the far right lip of the sink there are two finger prints in blood that I have determined to be Jodi’s using GIMP and Jodi’s palm print of her left hand to create an overlay where the overlay matches perfectly with the palm prints and the bloodied finger prints. Jodi going for the knife is then pulled towards the corner of the bathroom where her left hand and fingers are seen in the dried blood on the sink that are pulled from right to left of the right side sink where is it obvious that Jodi is grabbing for something given the amount of blood that is that not present between the two finger marks and the finger marks in blood across the lower lip of the sin and inside of the sink. Jodi with the knife in her hand then begins to chop or slice down at Travis’ back with the edge of the blade and the heel where the tail is formed as the knife cuts into the skin making the wound and then creating the tail as the heel grazes the top layer of skin. You will notice that the tails are all pointing towards the ground on the back which means that the tail would have been created in the more normal position stated above with Jodi’s left arm and hand coming over the top of Travis right shoulder where she creates a slicing move with the knife in a half circle motion. Otherwise Jodi would have had to be holding the knife by the handle with the spine facing her in order for the heel to have made the cuts with the tail pointing downwards. A very awkward and complex position to be holding the knife in while stabbing Travis.

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