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Jodi Arias Trial – Day 53

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After yesterday’s Flores comedy show, Dr Kevin Horn (the Medical Examiner) is lined up for his rebuttling bit today. It’s penciled in as a “short” day too, like most of the other days really. Then after that, the circus starts up again next Wednesday, May 1st @ 9 am, and will include testimony from surrebuttal witness Dr. Robert Geffner.

Closing arguments & jury instructions are scheduled for next Thursday & Friday, May 2nd & 3rd.

Jodi Arias - Jennifer Willmott - Kirk Nurmi 4-23

So… barring any unforeseen fires, floods, earthquakes, acts of God or any sudden breakouts of gross stupidity, we should be celebrating the verdict around May 8th. I’m guessing on the date of course… but I do know this for a fact…

WE ARE TEAM JODI – AND WE WILL BE VICTORIOUS!

Never question it.

Never doubt it.

Leave your comments below on trial day 53…

SJ
Team Jodi

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    • I am very frustrated about the defense. It has been a long trial, why the heck do not the defense have a forensic expert and a ME? The dura mater was intact at autopsy and the bullet did not enter his brain. The bullet barely caught his skull and would have exited very near the entrance wound if it was a more powerful gun. It changed the direction when it hit the skull (inner) second time, then glided inside the skull and passed the sinus region. He was mindful to clear and blow blood at the sink, that was not an act of a man being murdered, or he would not have exposed his back to more attack and taken his eyes off his attacker. Could anyone here tell the defense that the dura mater was intact? The momentum was toward his facial skull and most of the energy was absorbed by the bone, not his brain.

      • Joyce, to be honest, I feel for the defense. They are fighting an uphill battle with this judge. It’s not so easy for them to be able to present witnesses. I think most experts are afraid to touch this case. 🙁

      • I do believe the jury will see it exactly the way you stated it. I was very surprised OJ was not found guilty, but for some reason the jury couldn’t convict him without reasonable doubt . More reasons in this case for the jury to have reasonable doubt. Jodi will be free soon. Relax and Thank God !

        • I am also wondering why we don’t have a forensic expert and ME. Since I am not an attorney and don’t understand why not, it looks to me like the jury can get her on the murder 1. I know what that guy in the blue shirt was saying wasn’t completely true. My background is in medicine. I understand the circumstances when being shot in the frontal skull. But will the jury know what to understand? There is so much bull being thrown around by Martinez but I hear so many positive things about him. The jury has to hear this also. I just don’t trust this system in Arizona. The reason the jury couldn’t stay was because they don’t have security at night and the weekends. The Judge said it herself. So if the verdict is not in Jodi’s favor, I know it is a system problem in that Arizona Court House. Multiple system problems because of the many death threats on the defenses side. Like a Witch Hunt, Lynch Mob. All the no real fact stuff.
          Also, for Miss infantile psychologist many people develop Borderline Personality Disorder once they have been through the Trauma of a PTSD event. They don’t have to be exclusive of each other. So infantile psychologist sounded very stupid to me. But to the masses, who don’t know any better. But does the Jury know better? That is what concerns me. Just the fact that infantile psychologist got on the stand as an expert witness and didn’t know something that renders experience needs addressing and whatever the law does about a clueless expert witness.

          • Or a person with PTSD can be diagnosed as follows: PTSD with some borderline features. That is a more common way to address the abandonment issues a person may have.

  7. Just curious. Why is it a short day today? AND, why is there such a break until May 1st?

  8. I predict that court will start at 9:50 today! LOL

    Anyone else want to join the “court starting time lottery”?

  9. FYI …. “TO NURMINATE”

    WildAboutTrial‏@WildAboutTrial15m
    hwild is back and has updated the hWATionary with many new terms. http://wildabouttrial.com/one_off/the-wationary-wilds-dictionary-for-the-jodi-arias-trial/ … #JodiArias

    DawnMichael‏@DawnMichael6m
    @WildAboutTrial Did you add “To Nurminate”?

    WildAboutTrial‏@WildAboutTrial5m
    @DawnMichael what is the definition for Nurminate?

    9:08 AM – 25 Apr 13 · Details
    DawnMichael‏@DawnMichael3m
    @WildAboutTrial To recline. “Wild is nurminating due to his broken ankle” #wildabouttrial

    WildAboutTrial‏@WildAboutTrial3m
    @DawnMichael hwild already refers to that as reclination though.

    Boobookitty‏@Boobookittycat32m
    @DawnMichael @wildabouttrial LOL! I like that one 😉

    9:10 AM – 25 Apr 13 · Details
    Hubba Pasha‏@HubbaPasha1m
    @WildAboutTrial @DawnMichael Is it more about the untucked reclination aaaaaaaaynd/orrrr the mind-numbingly slooooow speech pattern?

  10. Do you think Dr Horn is going to make a convincing argument that TA was stabbed first then shot? I hope the Defense is fully prepared for this….I’m a bit worried.

      • Seriously. How can anyone think he was shot last based on the blood evidence? The doctor is going to have a tough time proving that he was stabbed first I think. I am not a pathologist but just understanding what I do know it isn’t easy for me to see it. I will have to wait and hear the evidence he is planning to testify to.

    • I have no idea, Linda. I can tell you this. My brother was shot in the head (way worse than Travis) and he walked to his truck (with help of friend) several hundred yards away, was fully coherent all the way to the hospital (about a 15 min drive), and did not slip into a coma until he was air evacuated to a different hospital.

      AND, he is alive today!

      • Of course! This happens all the time. It is the only thing that makes sense. Travis was shot, either fell or not, got up and went to the sink and then flew into a rage.

        • Thanks, K!

          This happened in 1993. He was shot in the head when his friend’s gun accidentally discharged and ricocheted off a rock, and shot him in the back, left side of his head.

          We thought we were going to lose him. But, the doctors did an excellent job. He has short-term memory loss, but that’s it.

          The reason I call BULL on the ME is because of this.

          Remember, he went to ONE hospital first, and then was airlifted to another hospital that’s another 15-20 minutes away by air.

      • Wow! That’s great for your brother. And I assume it went through his brain (Dr. Horn’s big argument last time)?

        • Yes, it did AA.

          When my brother got to the second hospital (Barrows Neurological Center) in Phoenix, the doctors had to cut his head open on the helipad and remove a huge blood clot.

          Then, when he was on the operating table, they removed the part of his brain that has to do with short-term memory.

          He is alive and well. Is married with two kids. This is 20 years later!! 🙂

      • Wow, Nicole thanks for sharing that story! That must have been completely scary to go through.

        Yes, the brain is a funny organ. There’s stories posted everywhere on the Internet of people getting shot in the head and living to tell about it. So the idea that Travis would have been immediately put down is ridiculous. Especially not by a .25 bullet which is a step above a pea shooter.

        • I liked what someone said here the other day: ‘If you shoot someone with a .25, they are going to be really mad.’

  11. Nurmi better be prepared to be “Karate Kid” today. He NEEDS to land some major Karate Chops on JM’s case.!

  12. Maybe the DT is planning on being “The Turtle” to JM’s “Hare” – while jm thinks he’s got it, kn/jw will slowly but surely sneak up on jm and get to the finish line first! I’d love to see that – the underdog wins, again!!!

  13. Come on, everyone. We are playing “trial start time” lottery!

    I said 9:50.

    SR0606 said 10:05.

    What is your guess?

  15. While we wait for court to start, I thought I would pass this info along (not sure if it has ever been posted).

    It seems that TA refinanced his house in 2006. He got +/- $100k out. Then, there are several entries as what appear to be “workouts” with the bank in 2008.

    So, I guess he blew through money like “shit through a tin goose” and then couldn’t pay the bill!

    • That explains the revolving-door of all those roommates AND why he kept borrowing from Jodi.

    • No wonder he could afford that closet full of clothes, the BMW, etc. I saw alot of that, used to live in Vegas. Several of our friends had 2 or 3 mortgages on their homes, lived like rich folks. Travel here and there, fancy cars, boats, I always thought, wow, I must be the only one here thats broke! lmao….. and now their like hundreds of thousands upside down, can’t refi, can’t sell….stuck, or they walk away and declare bankruptcy.
      Seems like the SW had major issues with this. Now you can buy a house down there for under 100k

        • agreed, just seem to see it more down in the SW then places like Seattle. Maybe its because the home down there fell in value so much. Up here, we didn’t see our home depreciate like there, so its more obvious.
          The stats show that the SW was the foreclosure capital though for sure. Vegas topped that list for years.

      • And since it creates the illusion of money, all TA supporters think Jodi was a gold digger. *shakes head in disbelief*

        • Amy,
          He had ’em all fooled in more ways than one…and he continues to fool them.

    • Yea what the hell did he do with all that money? 100k?! Thats a BIG chunk! I know he toop trips but damn, he never really left the country! What was he doing, staying in expensive hotels, buying prostitutes, drugs and alcohol? ?!!!

    • 2006 in Arizona, a house was like a giant ATM. Want a new BMW… no problem, just refinance. Want a boat and some ATV’s… why not, just take the money from your home’s equity.

      The whole economy here for about 4 years was buying and selling each other homes with make believe money. Basically one giant ponzi scheme.

  17. WildAboutTrial ‏@WildAboutTrial 7m Just got hword, #JodiArias is in courtroom. The coroner is here as a witness for today. Stay tuned everyone!

    • WildAboutTrial ‏@WildAboutTrial 41s hold tight everyone, trial still hasn’t started but should get going shortly. #JodiArias

  18. Oh I wanted to comment on the House Hunter JOKE!! I cant blv the family is really letting these people do this! We all know what the agreement was. We’ll agree to let you in the house but only if you come back with footage indicating Jodi shot him in the shower! !!! ALL ABOUT MONEY!!!

    Although I do blv some people have the ability to be Medium but this house hunter crap is set up to make the Alexander family money. And like Maria said earlier, TA wasn’t a very nice guy, they should lv his spirit alone and get the heck out of that house!!!!

    Now if it was Thetesa Caputo, John Edward or Silvia Brown it be interesting to hear what they had to say. (THE INTRUDERS), maybe…. ????

    For everyone wearing that little blue ribbon: So much for “R.I.P.” Travis (damn hypocrites)!

    • My 11 year old watches Ghosthunter. Is this the show? He told me they never ‘talk’ to the ghost. Apparently, this show is quite popular with the little ones. LOL

      • Yea thats another one, they’re all fake shows BUT I blv that when a spirit wants to come through, they will. They seriously have NO RESPECT (his family), for allowing it just to make some money!

    • JMHO, people need to be careful when poking around with “ghosts” and the supernatural. They are entities that will lie to to you. I think playing with ‘ghosts’ is more like playing with negative energies. Does the mormon faith believe in ghosts? I thought they believed ppl went to heaven or hell. If so, then why would they believe travis spririt is still down here?

      • JC,I said the exact same thing last night and this morning.Messing around with a spirit of a man who was not a good person when he was alive,plus had a brutal and sudden death hmmm not my cup of tea!!

      • The way it was explained to me by my ex’s Dad who is a Bishop: Mormons do not believe in Hell but multiple levels of Heaven. So Hell to them is the lowest level of Heaven. It doesn’t make sense but that is my understanding. I thought Hell was Hell and definitely not a part of Heaven.

      • “JMHO, people need to be careful when poking around with “ghosts” and the supernatural. They are entities that will lie to to you.”

        yep!

        and if the mormon attonement works travis shouldn’t be around anyway.

      • People have NO BUSINESS messing around with stuff that we have no knowledge of, IMO. We know nothing for sure about the Afterlife (or even if it exists, for that matter). It’s like poking a rattlesnake with a stick to “see what happens”. You just DON’T!

      • JC- You are so correct on that one. I did research last year when my little girl suddenly became afraid of ghosts, because the kids in school told her the school had a ghost. The Bible has many scriptures that discuss exactly what you stated.

    • I wouldn’t mind hearing what Sylvia had to say. Playing with spirits is dangerous. You never know what you are opening yourself up to.

      • Yea and TA wouldn’t be a nice spirit! !! His going to come out at them holding his head in his arms, yelling at them to get the F*** OUT!!! lol

  21. Hey Everyone,

    It’s good to be back, have been checking in and keeping up on the posts when I can.

    We are coming down to the wire, our Girl is looking exhausted and stressed and a little anxious, keeping her in my thoughts and prayers for strength.

  22. SJ, if there’s any more “breakout[s] of gross stupidity” than we’ve already had in that courtroom, I fear the Universe will collapse in on itself and we’ll all be swallowed up by the massive black hole it leaves. Seriously, I don’t know if it’s humanly possible to even GET much stupider (I don’t even know if that’s a word) than these idiots already are! 😆

  24. For Dorothy and Lara:

    WildAboutTrial ‏@WildAboutTrial 1m Nurmi is almost in his Tiger Woods final round ensemble, black suit with blood red shirt and black tie. #JodiArias

    No word on the socks though as yet!

  25. I see that stupid Wick woman….I really can’t stand her. She looked over at the TA side and smiled and then made a sad pout face.

  28. I swear, Jodi looks thinner, paler, and more tired every single time I see her. 🙁 I just want to hug her and tell her it’s all gonna be okay, somehow, in the end!

  29. Off topic:I really hate that blouse on Jodi,makes her look like Sunday school girl!

  34. I was so smitten when I first saw K.H,I thought he was one good looking man-Now I hate him!

    • He’s a shrill for the prosecution, basically. Didn’t he have a beard last time? He looks younger today.

      • He did have a beard which made him look stunning imo.Now he’s like a monkey’s ass,as we say here! Plus,he’s become Kermit’s bitch !!

      • agreed. He looks like Rob Lowe to me. I still do not like him though because this is BS testimony

  37. If Travis’s brain was “practically liquefied,” then how the hell would this ME know for sure WHAT the bullet trajectory was? Why let him just speculate on hypotheticals?!? We want FACTS, not GUESSES!

    • yes, I think she is…poor thing looks like she’s sobbing. Re-living this over and over again, is taking it’s toll on this poor girl. My heart is bleeding for her right now..

  43. This is pure speculation. I don’t see how he can make these assumptions. As a doctor again I have seen people hurt badly in the head without losing consciousness and continuing to make purposeful movements. And just how much of the brain did it involve. I thought it barely hit the frontal cortex.

  46. OBJECTION! ASKED AND ANSWERED! What happened to “Jury is instructed to recall testimony” WTF?

  49. How do you explain the drops of blood on the sink near the mirror? He was LOOKING at the wound inspecting it.

  50. ok, I’m lost…didn’t this same doctor say earlier that he couldn’t say for sure which came first, NOW during rebuttal, he’s saying something completely different…this is so much crap!
    Again the DA playing Houdini, getting these people to say something different during the part of the trial that the defense can’t argue against!
    So sick of this garbage.

  51. I hope that jury remembers the woman that shot the intruder that came into her house in GA. He was shot in the face and escaped for a short distance.

  59. Because the state brought this twit back, don’t they question first? Or did I miss some testimony from yesterday?

  62. I was on the other page..oops..Where is the state saying the blood in the sink is coming from?

  64. Jenny talks sooooo fast compared to Nurmi! It’s always such a contrast for me.

  66. This is bad testimony. He is not a good ME if he doesn’t think blood would go from the sinuses into the nose. That is crap.

  75. NICE!!! GO JW GO!! This doctor is up there lying, or at least mis representing his previous testimony
    Have this testimony thrown out!!

  79. Of course it is limited by decomp. But he should have seen the major damage anyway. This guy sucks. Sorry doc.

  90. JW in BEAST MODE nailed it!!!!!
    God i love her, i hope she does closing
    arguements!!!!

  91. Hey everyone…welcome back Gail nice to see you!

    Good afternoon morning LC, Ashley, MB, Moni, AA, Al, Michele, Annie, Maria, NH, Stan, PJ, Intro, Rachel, Cindyp, CindyJ (lol), CanadaLinda, SJ, JC, Melvis, Meow, Dorothy, Bystander, Joe, Misty, Alaina, Nicole, Kmiller, Jaz, and ANYONE ELSE I HAVE NOT LISTED – PLEASE DO NOT TAKE OFFENSE….

    Good afternoon hero… 🙂

  93. HOW CAN PICKLES OVERRULE ALL THE OBJECTIONS?!?!? This is CLEARLY just speculation!!! 👿

  94. Injury to the frontal lobe itself won’t stop you. If it had such a big wound tract why can’t you see it, doc?

  97. OK, now Flores is proven to be a liar! This doc just threw him under the bus….lmao!!!!

  98. I think JW did a great job!! I think she used the doctors words against him.

    Now, let’s see what the juror question is…

  100. OK, I have seen gunshot wounds to the head and the people survived. With the bullets in the brain, etc. etc. He would have choked on blood more likely

    • There was aspirated blood and blood/mucus mix (spat out) all around the sink in that bathroom. You can even tell a difference between the two just looking the crime scene pics. I’m a nurse and I call BS on this doc’s testimony!

  102. He is so uninformed about gunshot injuries. OMG. If I were an ME I would have been much much better informed.

    • indeed, they sound like questions we would ask! Does someone on here have a line to the jury….lmao!! 😛

  110. He has seen that many injuries with a 25? Where were they? In the brain, in the body, where? Where in the brain?

    • NH, My question as well…. the juror should have asked ” specifically, head, brain” injuries. Now the info that the 100 or so autopsies he did which involved a 25 are left open. Why didn’t JW question him on that. Seems trial was rushed today.

  113. Dammit, I lost picture and I’m a tad behind as I had to pause this. Haven’t heard the juror question yet.

    • Good one. This shows exactly what the frontal lobe injury would do. Yes, he would have been stunned but the blood came from the face and he would have choked on the blood more than he would have been incapacitated by the brain injury. And from this I am not even convinced he had a brain injury that was sufficient to do anything.

  117. Look at JM’s body language. This is what happens when he knows he has been “whipped”!

  118. He is really stretching things, that is all I can say. He can’t even tell us where the bullet injured the frontal lobe. Until he can do that I can’t believe anything he says.

  119. I bet Jodi is thinking, “But I told the truth; I know he was shot first! Why is he LYING?!?”

  123. Doc can’t remember “how much blood we’re talking about here.” SERIOUSLY, did he just say that???

  124. 25 caliber isn’t much more powerful than a BB gun shot.
    You have to take into consideration the adrenaline surging thru the body. The fact that the body doesn’t realize it’s been shot for a minute. Not everyone is going to be incapacitated that quickly.

  125. Wilmott looks pissed!Lokk at her with her arms crossed.She must want to slap that Dr!

  126. Also, frontal lobe functions aren’t motor functions and the shock from a 25 I don’t think would have caused much damage elsewhere.

  127. Yes the jurors asked some good questions. It seems they are trying hard to understand this. That is good for Jodi I think.

  128. Wait, so now this clown is saying that the bullet could have bounced off the skull???

  129. WHOO HOO!!!!! SHE GOT HIM ON THAT!!!!!!
    I THINK WE KNOW WHERE SHE IS GOING WITH THAT!!!!!

    • going to fall back on that picture with the foot. Travis was holding his own head up. Therefor he was NOT dead in the last picture!

  131. BINGO! bullet deflected by bone! Brain is “pudding-like”…How could he tell for certain that the bullet entered the brain?

    • Yeah, this is unacceptable. If she has another trial, which I hope she does not, I hope they have some topnotch forensic pathologist to go over the autopsy findings, evidence and testify.

    • I’m guessing as it relates to JW last questions, that if the gun shot had happened after the throat was cut, it would have been impossible for the bullet to have passed through at the angle it did. She is smart!

  134. To all the haters who accuse Jodi of “fake crying”… LOOK AT HER! Does your face get all puffy, your eyes and nose get all red, from pretending to cry?!?

  136. how come whenever there a question that doesn’t help prosecution purpose the witness cant remember, both fluras and dr horn did same when asked about previous statements

  137. that’s right doc! the head would be slumped over if his throat was cut. well done jenny from the block! (and my nurmikins is lookin goooooooooooood today. love the black and red!)

    • I wonder why she didn’t continue with that and ask “Then why the HELL is his head off the floor in this picture??” in regards to the picture in a previous post that the state is saying he was dead and she was dragging him.

      • because it was obvious! go jenny! go jenny! get your cross on. go jenny! she didn’t need the pic. docs statement and ever changing testimony said it all for her. the jury doesn’t need coloring book pages and crayons to put it together, (did you see there is an hln coloring book for sale now? seriously.)

    • LOL @ lara … your nurmikins …. funny! 🙂 … but he does look nice with the black and red

    • Just for you Lara, 🙂

      Wild About Trial 2‏@WildaboutTrial210m
      Nurmi throws up a quick chicken wing as the jury leaves. I really love his black and red outfit. It’s stunning.

      • ……and nurmikins my hunka hunka freedom fighting love, i happen to make great chicken wings and would make you a bucket of ’em for breakfast 🙂

    • YES! The juror questions indicate they are NOT buying his theory. He evidently does not recall the PHOTOS…SO he mustn’t have taken them into account when he did his final report. I can’t believe that NO ONE asked…”If the brain was like pudding how can you be certain, absolutely CERTAIN that the bullet fully penetrated the brain to the extent of rendering TA fully incapacitated immediately?”

    • Wouldn’t you? Horn is so dangerous. He made mistakes in his autopsy, and fell under the spell of Martinez.

      But I think the defence still has resources.

    • Yes I believe that’s where is stopped – in over right eye, downwards towards left cheek where it stopped.

  142. Why didn’t jw point out the bathroom sink scene and all the blood splatter, to prove that he was not knocked out with the bullet, but was able to walk over to the sink and spit out blood all over?

    • I think intro that the jury will remember the pic of the sink..I did when JW was crossing him about the blood coming out of sinus and or mouth.

  143. omg…I think JW just got her ‘smoking gun” with that last question….loving it!!!! Did you see JM look at Flores…that was priceless! He knows it too….hahahaha
    I can hardly wait for closing arguments…..
    WTG JW! brilliant !

  144. When JM looks deflated I want to celebrate
    When Jodi looks sad & crying..i want to give her a hug
    The looks on her face was why is he lying and why are
    all these people out to get me?
    Fucking Sad!!!

  146. Um Jenny … why didn’t you finish that last question up about his head being UP off the ground in the photo? Saving that for closing arguments?

    • Exactly AA….
      I think we can all take a deep breath now….the jury knows whats up, JW handled that brilliantly, and JM looks pretty nervous…
      When she gets up from her desk without notes, you know its going to get real!
      hahahaha…put up that up your pipe and smoke it Kermit!
      You’ve been out played and out smarted at your own silly games..:} thats what you get for trying to get your witnesses to change their testimony during rebuttal. Sunk your own ship..I shall now call the prosecution ” The Titanic”

  147. Doogie Howser may be a good fit for baby doc….they both know SHIT about EVERYTHING…

  148. Did the Defense have a pathologist testify on their behalf at any point in the trial?

  149. JUROR Q’s as per WAT:
    —————
    Wild About Trial 2‏@WildaboutTrial29m
    How frequently have you seen injuries from a .25 calibur weapon? #JodiArias

    Wild About Trial 2‏@WildaboutTrial29m
    Can you explain why you think Travis was still alive when his throat was slit. #JodiArias

    Wild About Trial 2‏@WildaboutTrial29m
    What could happen that could allow Travis to still move well? #JodiArias

    Wild About Trial 2‏@WildaboutTrial210m
    Juror questions: If Jodi shot travis in the middle of the bathroom wouldn’t there have been blood found in the middle of the floor#JodiArias
    ———–
    Not so sure about the tone of the questions…

    • “How frequently have you seen injuries from a .25 calibur weapon?” Asked b/c (imo) they may feel he doesn’t have a lot of knowledge in this area.

      “Can you explain why you think Travis was still alive when his throat was slit.” Again, not a lot of confidence in this doc if the jury is asking him to explain himself.

      “What could happen that could allow Travis to still move well?” They don’t believe doc’s story about being immediately incapacitated.

      ” If Jodi shot travis in the middle of the bathroom wouldn’t there have been blood found in the middle of the floor” An honest question from a jury who is trying to put this together. Does not mean they believe either way.”

      Of course these are all jmho

      • I’m not so sure either. I really didn’t think a couple of the questions had a good tone…. IMO

    • How can we ever be sure of the tone?The questions were neither pro pros or pro Jodi ,imho.Just confused jurors,trying to put things together.Although the first one I think was a second conditional question,which I didnt like at all sth about ”IF that were true…”

  152. Michael Kiefer ‏@michaelbkiefer 5m

    A Sheriff’s Deputy just led a black police dog and its handler back to the jury room.

    Chris Williams ‏@chriswnews 4m

    That security dog just walked back through #JodiArias courtroom and out the main entrance. Unclear what that was about.

    Michael Kiefer ‏@michaelbkiefer 3m

    The dog handler just said it is a bomb dog.

    Michael Kiefer ‏@michaelbkiefer 5m

    The dog and handler just left. I guess it didn’t smell anything in the jury room.

  155. good morning and good evening
    chocolate hugs from switzerland
    hope we have a good trial today

  157. They did up people after years and do autopsies and this guy can’t find the damage to the brain after five days? BS. I am a doctor and I know this is BS!!

    • wouldn’t the heat of the bullet no matter the size still cauterize soft tissue leaving traceable path/ Well I guess that’s a stupid question since the bullet missed the brain .. sry .. lol

      • He should have seen a difference between the decomposing intact brain and the damaged brain. At least on microsopic for goodness’ sake. This man has probably not dealt with decomposing bodies much. And he should have let someone who had deal with this body.

        • Exactly . . unless coerced to testify with bogus info by ppl thinking the rest of the world is ignorant and I say coerced. Should he find being bought agreeable, his career can be followed and within the confines he just boxed himself into otherwise he might continue his career elsewhere asap.

    • Well im glad we have a dr here saying that its BS, cuz I was thinking BS BS BS too. I thk yhis guy is scared of the haters and his afraid of them and the media ruining his career. That is so SAD that he can’t even testify to what he really blvs!

      And EVERYONE KNOWS that there has been similar brain injuries were people get up an walk away! Dr Horn made himself look like a fool. But the haters must be loving him! People are so stupid, they’re ok being lied to! WOW!

      • LC, I hadn’t thought of his possible fear of the haters and the media doing to him what they did to other professionals…hmm. I just thought he had greasy palms.

  161. Elizabeth Erwin ‏@elizabetherwin 1m

    The sister left in court is openly crying…she and her husband just left the room.

    why is she not in chambers???????????????

  162. Just heard Nancy Grace is bringing up that “phantom” ring again later today. Sheez….

    • Yeah, one of the MANY women he planned to marry breaking her silence. How noisy would it be if every woman TA planned to marry broke their silence at the same time?

  163. …the bullshit will never end with the traviban…they better be careful their desperation is showing…..

  165. well i am guessing that is the end of the state rebuttal and when the jury comes back she will adjourn till Wednesday

  166. I suppose this is Jodi’s doing? Maybe now someone will take notice of the horrible things that are happening. Half these people belong in Anger Management Therapy.

    • I meant that as a sarcastic remark. What are the hater’s saying? I don’t do Facebook.

  167. I have always thought the seqence of events would be the biggest hurdle for the DT to overcome. I hope JW was able to achieve that today.
    And to bring a bit of levity to the situation, with the State resting, my husband is now pissed as he realizes there is no more chance of the young lady from Tesoro testifying anymore (I question his motive for him wanting her to testify again!).

    • Juror #8 The CEO-Good looking man, mid 50′s with goatee. Can see him being the jury foreman. I called this guy “The Dad”. He looks nothing like my dad, Lol, but for whatever reason… I got a fatherly feel from him.

      I found this about #8.

      • I read that too on that other site…and they also said that he puts the most questions in the box…

  187. so a Taliban didn’t want the defense surrebuttal to happen, called in a bomb threat uh…douchebags!

  188. Wild About Trial 2‏@WildaboutTrial24m
    A bomb sniffing dog and deputy was just ran through the courtroom. Apparent threats to the defense team. #JodiArias

  189. Michael Kiefer ‏@michaelbkiefer 1m

    A deputy told me the bomb dog tour was just routine.
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    Chris Williams Chris Williams ‏@chriswnews 1m

    #JodiArias juror 8 sat front row, left side, one chair in. Man with a short beard. Took a lot of notes.

  190. He is talking about the plethora of people who continue to go on after shot, etc. lololol. love it! Of course Mike whatever didn’t like his answers.

  191. Can you imagine being a juror all this time, through all the bs and not get to finish it? Either the juror isn’t playing nice or they have a life that needs dealt with. Hope it’s not defense friendly jurors. Wasn’t #8 talked about quite a bit the other day?

    • probably money was an issue..although I also heard somewhere the Nurni is not a forensics attorney…whatever that means.

  196. Is it just me, or did Pickles go out of her way to remind the jurors that they are to have NO contact with the media? Immediately after she announced juror #8 had been dismissed? Or am I reading too much into it?

  197. This is what I found about Juror 8:
    Juror #8 The CEO-Good looking man, mid 50′s with goatee. Can see him being the jury foreman. I called this guy “The Dad”. He looks nothing like my dad, Lol, but for whatever reason… I got a fatherly feel from him.

    He is a white male in his 50s and is married. He also takes notes and has been observed submitting questions.

    40ish writing a lot when the “pursuing Bobby” and why she moved to Mesa Interestingly I have little written about him, though I remember having a good line of site

    Meh. I hope he is more CEO that “The Dad” I’d keep him if I had to, but would not be sorry to see him go. I do not want him to be the foreman.

  198. Even though it was a short day
    It definitely made up for yesterday sidebar after sidebar travesty!
    I would say A VERY GOOD DAY FOR THE DEFENSE!
    Jennifer rocked it hard!!!!!!!!

    • No, Joe. That is not how it works.

      Before deliberation, the judge (should be in front of everyone – we’ll see) has the juror numbers in a “bag” and chooses out (three now) that will NOT deliberate.

        • Is see it now, he’s a cute little puppy! ! I wish my daughters would like them, they’re scared of dogs so I decided to wait a few years.

          • yea!! I see him now! TY, he’s a very sweet boy! I lost a purebred Boxer last year (9 years old), then became involved in Petpardons on FB and decided from now on, only rescue dogs, even tho I loved my Boxer…You’ll get one LC, and Aus Sheps and German Sheps are very good w/children and very protective! <3

          • LC, That is why I got a dog. I grew up afraid of them and didn’t want my children to be afraid…now they love dogs and are comfortable with them. I’m glad because having a fear of dogs can be debilitating at times. My dog is awesome. Boston terrier.

            • Dorothy, my other dog is a 13 yr old Jack/Rat Terrier! He has congestive heart failure, but is on meds and still as feisty as ever, and if you have a terrier you know what I mean!! bark, bark, bark and lots of attitude!!

              • My dog is a Boston Terrier…the name is misleading though. Bostons don’t have any typical terrier behaviors; no hunting skills, not an alarm (barking) dog. In fact, they were initially bred as fighting dogs but the opposite happened… they are considered “The Gentleman’s Dog” because they have no purpose (job) except play and snuggle and love everyone.
                I’m sad to hear your terrier is in poor health 🙁 13 years…I feel anxious for you.

                • Thanks D~after just loosing my Boxer last year, it’ll be hard to loose another that I’ve had for so long…but he’s a fighter!! And you are very lucky your Boston doesn’t bark!! Sounds like a nice breed to have! <3

              • Lynn, I had an Aussie too…smartest dog ever! Quick and beautiful. Could catch a Frisbee and do a flip at the same time… Kept the kids herded. Wonderful dog.

                • He is a quick learner~also had Aussie years ago..very protective of our family and super smart! It’s nice to see so many Dog lovers here!

              • Lynn…you say you had a pure bred boxer, Boston Terriers are very similar in temperament to boxers except they are a smaller version…so you may understand what i mean about the terrier part of their name being misleading 🙂

                • Geeze Dorothy, now I want to change avitars and put my Boxer and JR up!!! Sounds like I would like to own a Boston one day!!

                • Lynn, If you ever get one you may never want another breed. I have had several dogs and my after my first Boston died I got another. There is no doubt in my mind if I get another dog, I will get a Boston.

  202. Whats with the drug thing, where did that come from??

    Is the defense not call dr Gaffner??

  203. PEOPLE GOIN CRAZY….
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    Wild About Trial 2‏@WildaboutTrial22m
    The defense will be calling a new psychologist next Wednesday. #JodiArias

    10:44 AM – 25 Apr 13 · Details
    suzy west‏@suzyswest1m
    @WildaboutTrial2 omg this is ridiculous! Can this go on for a long time or can he only speak that day?

    Trial Maniac‏@trialmaniac1m
    @WildaboutTrial2 Trial, can’t say she didn’t see that one coming…

    Live, Laugh, Love ‏@GraceIn20131m
    @WildaboutTrial2 Oh brother. I knew this judge would let them do whatever they want.

    Staci Ross‏@navillusicats1m
    @WildaboutTrial2 how can they do that they rested??

    barb wozniak‏@mizwozy1m
    @WildaboutTrial2 mizwozy says please no not that, another defense witness! stab me now
    ————–

    NOTE: look at “live,laugh, love @ GraceIn2013” is this the same Grace Wong who testified? READ what she says?

      • Live, Laugh, Love ‏@GraceIn20131m
        @WildaboutTrial2 Oh brother. I knew this judge would let them do whatever they want.

        LOL. Even the Haters hate the Puppet Judge, only for the wrong reason.

  204. I recall someone saying yesterday they saw Jodi mouth the word “7” and that number comes before 8. I wonder if she saw something?

    • I’m thinking so! And maybe with the juror 5 and other dude being gone this juror was the 7th person counting by people not chairs. Take away 5 and it would make sense the 7th person was actually #8. I think the male juror he had left due to illness was 12

  205. jose miguel ‏@reporterjmiguel 1m

    It’s important to note juror #8 was NOT in court today, his seat has been EMPTY ALL MORNING
    Retweetet von Elizabeth Erwin
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    Elizabeth Erwin Elizabeth Erwin ‏@elizabetherwin 1m

    The juror who was dismissed is the inquisitive one I’ve tweeted about before. He asked a lot of the juror questions.

  206. Good morning everyone.

    So, my 14 year old son and I had some fun last night. We did some experiments on 2 book shelves.

    both bookshelves are the same

    -Each complete unit is 84.2 inches high
    -Each unit is 36.4 inches wide.
    -Each unit is 14.5 inches deep.
    -The material of all wood pieces are made from pressed particle board and covered with a thin paper finish.
    -The pegs are 1.2 inches long, round, with no “flat” side., leaving approx. 1/2 inch sticking out, when they are placed into the peg holes.
    – Peg holes are 2 inches from the front of the unit and 2 inches from the rear of the unit.

    The unit is secured to the wall with wall anchors.

    All shelves are empty.

    We placed shelves 1 foot, 2 feet and 3 feet off of the ground.

    My Son is 14, he weighs 121lbs. he is 5-7.

    1st observations showed that the shelves, when hand weight was applied at the leading edge, would NOT flip up the shelf. I am 220lbs, 6-3. I was able to get the shelf to “flip up, but it was only after figuring out the correct angle to apply MUCH pressure to, using my hand. It was more of an “in and down” pressure, almost as if I was “gripping” the shelf. It had to be applied directly to the top corner of the shelf.

    2nd observation. My son wore tennis shoes. When simply “trying his weight out” on the lowest shelf, he was able to get the shelf to tip. When trying this same thing with his shoes off, he was only able to get the shelf to tip when he pushed only on the very edge of the shelf.

    3rd observation. My son tried to grab a ball i placed on the top of the unit. With only instructions to “grab the ball off the top”. he was able to get the ball without using the shelves at all. He used a method of “jumping and pulling himself up with the non-ball hand”. It appeared that this was in fact the simplest way for someone to get this ball.

    4th observation. I instructed my son to NOT use his “non-ball grabbing hand” to secure himself in any way. He then used the 2nd shelf, which was 23 3/4 from the floor. We repeated this a total of 13 times. The first 6 times he was wearing his socks. When he placed his foot near the “peg edge” of the shelf, he popped right up and grabbed the ball. The shelf made no movement. We did this same thing again with tennis shoes on. The shelf again made no movement. Finally with tennis shoes on, i instructed him to step on the middle, wear we had placed a piece of tape, marking the center of the shelf. The shelf broke. It broke on the front left edge, above the front Peg. The board itself did not snap, but rather the hole that holds the pegs “ripped” or “chipped” through and the board flipped forward. (consequently his foot fell down to the bottom shelf breaking it in half)

    ( replaced shelves, same unit)
    5th observation. I instructed my son to attempt to “flip the shelf, WHILE grabbing the ball”. His first attempt failed, and he simply grabbed the ball. The second try (with tennis shoes on this time) he was able to “flip up” the front edge of the shelf, causing his shoe to “stick” to the board and slammed/slid forward off of the unit. We attempted this several more time with the results being whatever we chose. He was able to make the shelf stay, or flip up, depending on how he applied the pressure and how “deep” he put the toe of his shoe onto the shelf.

    New unit
    6th observation. With empty shelf’s and shoes on, my son placed his body weight slowly onto the lowest shelf. It held his weight with no breakage, while he put all of his weight on the shelf.. Next, he “quickly stepped onto the center of the shelf” to see if it would hold all of his weight, the peg hole again ripped out. However, the shelf started to “tip forward” just as it “ripped out”. (this became key to my conclusion)

    7th Observation. I then asked him to “climb” the shelves, as if they were “steps”, using his hands on upper shelves or the top of the unit, to assist with balance and weight distribution. He was able to do this, if he did it very slowly. I instructed him then to do it in a “mad rush”, but making sure to use each of the lowest 3 shelves. This did not turn out well, as it was hard for him to make his body take such small steps. (this also helped in my conclusion) In a rush, stepping all 3 shelves, using hands, he was able to make the first 2 steps, but the third shelf flipped up in the back then slammed down, breaking both Peg Holes in the back of the shelf.

    8th. finally observation (playing around) I (220lbs) was able to grab the ball when using my empty/open hand to hold the unit for support. I did this on all 3 levels of shelves. I placed my foot at the “peg edge” each time. I was not able to do this without using my empty hand to secure myself on the unit. All 3 times the shelf broke2 times at the “peg hole” and once it broke almost in the center, although i had stepped near the “peg edge”.

    We had 1 shelf that was not broken yet, so we experimented with “depth” vs. weight, to see were the “sweat spot” was that didn’t flip the shelf all the way off the unit, but did bring up the back edge.

    lastly, we place a “full to the rim” cup of water on the shelf and had my son “grab the ball” using his free hand to secure himself with the top edge of the unit. NOT A DROP OF WATER SPILLED!

    So, what did my son and I learn? I concluded that it is VERY possible that Jodi could have used the shelves as a step and not break them or flip them over. I concluded that it would have been MUCH MORE likely that she would have “broke” the shelf before she “flipped it over” And that it is HIGHLY unlikely that she could have flipped it over if she didn’t have “grippy” shoes, such as tennis shoes on. We were not able to flip the shelf, when trying, without breaking it first, when we had just socks on. We concluded that the spot on the shelf and how deep you put your foot in changed the outcome. We placing the to only 1 in deeper than “just on the very edge” allowed the shelf to be pushed on without flipping up. When explaining this i could see someone saying they just put their foot on the “edge” of the shelf, as Jodi explained, because it only took 2 inches or a tad less to change the weight from “flipping” to “over the front Pegs. We concluded that if the weight was applied over the front pegs that the board would break before it would tip all the way forward. We concluded that it made a huge difference if we used our free hand to help balance, distribute our weight as we made the step.

    Finally we put the shelf at the 3 foot height, carefully using both hands i was able to step up, WITH BOTH FEET,(all of my weight) onto the shelf, i then was able to use one hand to SIGN MY NAME on the top of the unit. It held long enough to sign my entire name! I know this doesn’t prove anything that Jodi said she did, but it held a man with ALL of his body weight that is twice her size on a shelf HIGHER than she needed for several moments, not just a “quick burst” of no solid weight.

    IT IS VERY LIKELY THAT JODI COULD HAVE USED THE SHELVES TO STEP UP. She probably would have had to use her free hand to help secure her and the weight. She most likely would have had to step on the side of the shelf, near the Pegs, not in the center. Unless the attempt had broken the shelf or failed, it would not have disturbed anything on the shelf, unless her foot pushed something back. The action on the shelf would cause no movement.

    • Forgot to add, that maybe she didnt even use a step…she was afterall very rushed.. My son made it obvious that he would not have even used the shelf. he was still able to get the ball when it was in the middle of the top. Only when it was pushed to the back was it hard for him, when not using the step.

    • LOLOL!!

      Good research sirlips! Your son is a real trooper for humoring you….pass on “thanks” to him 🙂

      • He was happy to help “break stuff”, but i will tell him that you said “thanks”. He’s an amazing kid. ( i know, i know, we all say that…but he truelly is) He follows the trial, banters with me about it. I really think stuff like this helps teach children critical thinking skills. Not the experiment, but the conversation behind it, the trial and the debates.

        • “I really think stuff like this helps teach children critical thinking skills.”

          You are absolutely correct!!! As long as the parent has critical thinking skills themselves, which you most assuredly do, lol.

          I didn’t learn critical thinking skills from my family, so I will say your son is blessed.

    • I do hope the same thing it would be so interesting to read how JW or KN experienced this trial

  208. TWEETS ABT JUROR #8 – “THE CUP TOUCHER”

    Wild About Trial 2‏@WildaboutTrial26m
    Not sure why juror 8 was asked to leave, will try to find out more details for you. #JodiArias

    10:44 AM – 25 Apr 13 · Details
    Skabootch‏@Skabootch5m
    @WildaboutTrial2 You’re so hgood to hus hwild 🙂 #wildabouttrial #jodiarias

    Heather‏@Hthrlee6044m
    @WildaboutTrial2 was that the notetaker?

    Wild About Trial 2‏@WildaboutTrial23m
    @Hthrlee604 Note taker is number 9 and 10 is marlboro man.

    Gracieann ‏@Gracieann00103m
    @WildaboutTrial2 hwas is marlboro man? Cup toucher?? Thinker??? Hwho???? #wildabouttrial #jodiarias

    Wild About Trial 2‏@WildaboutTrial22m
    @Gracieann0010 Cup Toucher

    • Not sure I missed it also – and the judge said there was a question from one juror – I missed the question also.

    • No reason ws given for dismissing that juror.If you want to see the questions asked by the jury,they are somewhere here up thread.

  213. AND MORE ON #8 (AND OTHER JURORS)

    Wild About Trial 2‏@WildaboutTrial2
    Juror 8 might have been the Cup Toucher based on what I remember of the juror layout. #JodiArias

    10:45 AM – 25 Apr 13
    Carlie Jones‏@carliejones646m
    @WildaboutTrial2 Things that make you go…..Hmmmmm. Have a great break, Y’all! I’ll be lurking about. hWild, rest up! #wildabouttrial

    Gracieann ‏@Gracieann00105m
    @WildaboutTrial2 Is he the one that was beach ready? #wildabouttrial

    Kat‏@AngelKat7775m
    @WildaboutTrial2 does that mean they got a wild cup before me? Lol

    Wild About Trial 2‏@WildaboutTrial24m
    @Gracieann0010 No, that is Captain O’neil, he is in the back row.

    Trial Maniac‏@trialmaniac4m
    @WildaboutTrial2 Maybe Juror #8 crushed a cup while staring blankly at #JodiArias crying. Just saying…

    Mandy Morrell‏@mandy_hearts2m
    @WildaboutTrial2 #8 is described by @TamaraTattles as being a CEO dad type, 50s, good looking w/ goatee, lots notes. Is that cup-toucher?

    Wild About Trial 2‏@WildaboutTrial21m
    @mandy_hearts @TamaraTattles No, cup toucher didn’t have a goatee. Clean shaven younger male.

    Wild About Trial 2‏@WildaboutTrial240s
    @mandy_hearts @TamaraTattles That could be the note taker. I am not sure.

  214. I like Kirk Nurmi. I think he could take that little weasel martinez, & with one fist pound him up to his waist in the ground. Then it would be funny to watch the little weasel martinez trying to do his little dance on the floor with his arms extended. At that point his torso would be sticking out of the courtroom floor, and he would be stuck, twisting and jerking around while attached to the floor & trying to badger the witness all the while!! That would be really funny & entertaining …..hohohohohohohoho!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Next time jm misbehaves in court, Nurmi should stride over real slow, stand in front of jm, lift him up by the collar and put him on ‘Time-Out” – Nurmi will perch jm on the judges desk, and left there for the rest of the day!!. Time out will be on the Judges desk 😎

      • remember, I think it was during Jodi’s testimony JM kept it up after KN objected and KN got up and walked towards JM ? I just loved KN for doing that it was so subtle and yet so firm

      • I think people in the courtroom are so tired of martinez’ antics. After Kirk aka ‘the nurminator’ had hammered Martinez into the floor, and the court day is over they would simply leave him stuck in the floor w/o his dinner and no bedtime story. Sorry little Juan, you have been a bad little boy.

  215. I wonder why the judge waited until the end to mention the juror was excused if he wasn’t there all day? She has always done it that way. I would think wondering about it could have distracted the rest while testimony was being presented.

    If not may e they all know the reason behind it already and it was just a formality.

  216. Its Official – #8 was the “Cup Toucher”…

    Wild About Trial 2‏@WildaboutTrial26m
    @mandy_hearts @TamaraTattles That could be the note taker. I am not sure.
    Wild About Trial 2‏@WildaboutTrial26m
    @shannone120 Yes that is the third juror removed.

    Wild About Trial 2‏@WildaboutTrial27m
    @mandy_hearts @TamaraTattles No, cup toucher didn’t have a goatee. Clean shaven younger male.

    Wild About Trial 2‏@WildaboutTrial210m
    @Gracieann0010 No, that is Captain O’neil, he is in the back row.

    Wild About Trial 2‏@WildaboutTrial210m
    @Gracieann0010 Cup Toucher

    Wild About Trial 2‏@WildaboutTrial211m
    @doggonedoggie Cup Toucher

    Wild About Trial 2‏@WildaboutTrial211m
    @Hthrlee604 Note taker is number 9 and 10 is marlboro man.

    Wild About Trial 2‏@WildaboutTrial213m
    @princessgina67 I am pretty sure he was the Cup Toucher.

    Wild About Trial 2‏@WildaboutTrial214m
    Juror 8 might have been the Cup Toucher based on what I remember of the juror layout

  217. OK so taps is going to TA’s house????? Well think about that for a minute……..my theory to that is….if they connect with Travis then it should PROVE to all the haters THAT HE DIDN’T GO TO HEAVEN FOR A REASON!!! Because GOOD MORMONS don’t get stuck. THEY GO TO HEAVEN!! MMMMM??

    • He might have gone to heaven, but a large cloud of KY vapors could possibly envelop the psychics and beam them up pinKY cheeKY into the seventh heaven reserved for virgin men.

    • If they connect with Travis,I hope they’ll ask him to TELL THE TRUE story for once!!! After all,this will be his one and only chance to prove that he can be a good person!!I know,I know he’s dead,he’s speaking from beyond but hey,better late than ever Travis,no?

    • Right! lol

      I think it’s a shame that HLN has been allowed to turn this case into such a circus, that the house is being put up for sale. I mean really. It’s not enough that they’ve ruined the lives of the Arias family and incited public outrage to the point of death threats. Now the family who bought the house are being harassed by people who want to dig around in the yard and a ghost hunting crew. Fuck it, I’d leave too. What’s the point of living in a house constantly harangued by an immature public?

  218. I really hope JUROR 8 wasn’t the one who asked the two questions
    that were removed
    that Juan got his panties in a wad about yesterday.

    Seriously one of the most biased trials I have ever encountered!

    • I feel that it was juror 8…and don’t you think it odd that he is dismissed today…

      What is really going on???

      Juror 8 and Juror 9 take lots of notes according to an insider courtroom observer…and they even thought that juror 8 was maybe the juror foreman…it was said that juror 8 put the most questions in the box for the witnesses to answer…

  220. Horn, you’re the one that’s got the brain that looks pudding-like.

    I saw the best comment to describe what happens when somebody is shot with a .25 caliber. And this sums it up. He said if you shoot somebody with a .25 caliber gun and they find out about it, they’re going to be very upset. Bwhaha.

    Then there was a guy who did extensive research on hand gun stopping power (Evan Marshall) and he took the actual reports from emergency rooms to document his data. He wrote significant books and is considered by many an expert on this type of research.

    One case documented in a top-selling book was where a pimp shot his prostitute in the head SEVEN times with a .25 caliber. A WEEK later she went to the emergency room. Guess why? She was having severe headaches!!! Bwha ha ha ha

    I’d like to see Henry Lee get a hold of this paid perjuring putz. He would look like he’s been through a wood chipper.

    Where’s the ballistics expert testifying to Grandpa’s hollow point bullet recovered in the Mormon’s cheek Martinez? You walking colostemy bag.

    • And the guy who made the comment I referred to was a police officer. Somebody who might know.l

    • That may be so, and in fact is. I actually own a copy of Marshall’s book. But you can’t expect the jury to know this. The defense needs to have brought this out, and they didn’t.

      The judge should declare a mistrial for inefficient right the fuck now and censure Nurmi and Jennifer for gross incompetence or dereliction of fiduciary responsibilty, or malpractice or something. If she is there to see justice done, then she should do something. This was just gross.

      • We have to have faith that the jury will be able to reconcile his horseshit with their own common sense. These are not dolts on the jury–at least not the ones asking the questions.

        It will be common sense that a stab to the superior vena cava is not a wound that is going to produce blood immediately in the mouth or nose, especially if the person is upright. It is like stabbing a jugular or carotid main artery and would pump blood directly out of the wound. So the blood in the sink from stabbing in the shower does not compute.

        The shot at the angle Travis was lunging at her puts the bullet in the exact location with the exact trajectory of the bullet path. And it won’t be lost on at least one of those people that the State did not explain how blood was spattered ALL over that bathroom in every corner without a fight.

        It won’t be lost on at least one that the the chief detective in the case testified in a hearing that the ME told him the shot was first. It won’t be lost on them that Martinez didn’t want Jodi to say where he got that gun. It’s not heresay if she’s testifying to her own personal knowledge and it shouldn’t have been disallowed.

        There are a ton of things that don’t add up and no matter how Martinez tries to describe a sphincter as not being an asshhole, it’s going to be readily apparent to one of those twelve that he is.

    • roflcopter 🙂

      Good point about the story of someone getting shot without realizing it, then going to the doctor and realizing they have a bullet in their head. I saw that on some show a couple years back, I remember asking myself if it was based on a real story.

  221. Dr. Horn is clearly testilying. He won’t even concede that it is possible for a person to function after being shot with such a small caliber gun, no matter how minimal the chance. He cannot be 100% sure and the jury knows that. This jury is not stupid. I think we should research this matter and post our findings here so they have “ammunition” next week. 🙂

    Jocelyn made some very good points at the beginning of this thread.

  222. Just got back to the keyboard.

    I am pissed.

    That was the most inefficient, incompetent, inept, asinine, inane, sophomoric, bumbling, non-proficient, bush-league cross examination I have ever seen in my life. If that is what Jennifer is capable of I would not hire her to represent my dog for peeing in public. The only possible excuse she could have for that pathetic, sorry display of poor advocacy is that she is setting up grounds for an appeal on the grounds of ineffective representation, and that is unethical.

    The least she could have done was do a little fucking homework on this before she came in to court.

    Firstly the
    “Motor cortex is an area located in the middle, top part of the brain that helps control movement in various parts of the body”

    secondly

    “Cerebellum is located at the lower back of the head and is connected to the brain stem. It is the second largest structure of the brain and is made up of two hemispheres. The cerebellum controls complex motor functions such as walking, balance, posture, and general motor coordination.”

    not the fricking right frontal lobe.

    There are important asymmetrical differences in the frontal lobes. The left frontal lobe is involved in controlling language related movement, whereas the right frontal lobe plays a role in non-verbal abilities.

    One of the most common characteristics of frontal lobe damage is difficulty in interpreting feedback from the environment. Perseverating on a response (Milner, 1964), risk taking, and non-compliance with rules (Miller, 1985), and impaired associated learning.

    The following paper

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8664147

    is titled “Penetrating gunshots to the head and lack of immediate incapacitation.”

    and the first bullet listed is a 6.35mm which is the 25 caliber bullet.

    Someone needs to take this young lady to the wood shed.

    Again, I am pissed. She could have torn Horn a new asshole and she rolled over like a fucking mouse. Shame on her.

    • ru roh raggy…I have not seen it yet…DVR at home waiting…..But im not sure i want to now.

      Breath AL, breath…in the nose, out the mouth.

    • Al I posted something earlier that said the same thing. We don’t know what her final argument will consist of. The DOCTOR should know as well. It will come out, I am certain.

    • Al, I noticed a little hesitation in her questions, but the ones she did manage to make, I thought went right to the point.

      But I do agree. She could have been more aggressive because this quack is obviously lying. All the prosecutor’s experts work for the State and of course, that makes them loyal to the prosecutor and to the actual facts of the case or their professionalism. They come off as completely biased and unethical. I guess Juan rubs off on them and that’s sad. 😕

      • She looked like she was lost.

        I hope they have something on rebuttal, because that’s the only other excuse. Hell I was asking for the defense to put Horn on the stand months ago. Now they get a chance at him and fucking blow it.

        It’s like throwing away the winning lotto ticket, except in this case a young woman’s life depends on it.

        Like I said – What the fuck. She ought to publicly apologize to Jodi and immediately withdraw from this case, or from practicing law and take up underwater basket weaving or some other such useless activity where she can do no harm.

        • Al, I know, I know, and I agree to the first part…lol

          I just think that the pressure is getting to them. Something is wrong. This has not been easy for them as you well know. I hope like you said that they have something on rebuttal.

        • I remember you did comment on that, Al. I was really looking forward to this as well. But I do like JWand shes ssupposedly a law teacher, maybe they have something, idk something better that they’re saving for closing. My husband has said it fro the beginning of the trial that the defense team was very weak and I kept telling him to just wait…. but I dont know, not sure what they have planned, if they do…

          • Wilmot has to PASS everything by this judge and as you could see, the judge doesn’t want to give at all with the defense.
            Same for Numi.
            Asshole runs the court.

    • Al – I have been disappointed with the Defense Team’s handling of all the rebuttal witnesses. The zinger for me was when Nurmi didn’t even ask the Wal-mart clerk one question. That still amazes me. They have dropped the ball a little bit, IMO, with these last several witnesses.

      • I cant say I’m dissaponted at by them-just a bit puzzled.It’s NOT like Nurmi or Jennifer NOT to ask questions,which doesnt make sense as to why they didnt ask the Walmart lady.Like all peoplem here I would have liked them to have a motion filed (if that’s allowed)to have their own pathologist on the stand to refute Horn’s assessment,just like with DeMarte.
        But I cant dismiss the possibility that what they’re doing is a strategy on their part,maybe saving evrything for closing arguments.Just planting the seed of doubt on th jury’s minds and hit them with strong statements next week.Give them time!They havent dissapointed us so far,why do it now during the most crucial time of the trial?

        • But they can’t introduce any evidence during closing. All they can say is he’s wrong, but not why, because they have nothing in evidence that shows him to be wrong. That was why it was so critical to introduce the evidence.

          I think they’re more hung up on the Horn-Flores lie issue. I think that lie would have been even more powerful if they had put in some evidence to rebut his story.

          But what the heck do I know. I’m just a dud having a bad hair day.

          Sorry if I’ve upset some people, and you know I’m not one for ranting, but this just got my goat.

      • Yes, me too Bystander. What the hell are they thinking? ! If I was Jodi, id be asking, WHY? MAYBE because they’re letting it go and if shes found guilty they’re confident about an appeal. Idk
        And also why wouldn’t they get a M.E. for the defense, that would’ve HELPED!

    • really lawyers are like actors…they need the writers behind them to know what to ask?

      Are lawyers allowed to consult with various professionals or do they always have to be witnesses regardless?

      Seems like I would want my lawyer to consult with a medical professional on how to take down the testimony of another medical “professional” (Dr. lair pants I do not consider professional)

      • That’s what they should have been doing, and they didn’t. Fire the whole fucking bunch of them, I say. They may just have sealed Jodi’s fate after their performance, or lack thereof, in the last two days.

        • The prosecution has thrown so many shit balls everywhere it is hard to clean them all up.

          🙁

          I can only hope there are thinking people on the jury who recognize the shit balls. Cause there are a lot of people away from this site whose thinking skills are entirely lacking and they don’t know a shit ball from cotton candy.

    • Al, wow, I’m glad you are ticked. I was underwhelmed with JW today too. Its very difficult to admit it as I am a big fan of her and Mr. Nurmi.

      I’ve been perplexed since the Wal Mart lady day. It’s almost as though they’ve both given up the fight.

      Could there be something going on that we are unaware of behind the scenes and they are just going thru the motions?

      I don’t have legal knowledge but from my boots it seems they are dropping the ball at the end of the game!

      I know there are the rules that they have to abide by but today just adds to all the weirdness we’ve all witnessed throughout this entire spectacle.

      I’m not certain the jury will know what needs to be cleaned up and what doesn’t. Lets pray they do.

      • that is what I have been wondering too, that there is something going on behind the scenes of which we are not aware of.
        It seemed almost like they were mentally withdrawn from their case. I cannot see them doing this voluntary neither Kn nor JW ever looked like lawyers who’d just give up right before the finishing line without any reason,

    • She actually did make some good point to refute him from a different angle like that Travis would not be able to hold his hands or head up up for a second after his throat was slit yet we see a picture where he has his head and hands up and he an injury on one of the 2 or the throat or the gunshot

    • Well jesus Al, I get what you are saying but the lady is getting death threats. That’s what the haters wanted to accomplish – getting her off her A game. If your assessment is correct then they have succeeded.

      • What the fuck was wrong with Nurmi. This was just fucking ridiculous. And they should have addressed this issue in their case in chief months ago. Fuck it, like I said I’m pissed.

        She should have seen this coming and taken care of it.

        • I am hoping they will put on thier own ME during surrebuttal. I still think it’s necessary and now more than ever. If the jury can only go on the medical evidence of this ME, they may believe the pros. Time to give them better info that someone could keep going after a shot to the head.

        • WTH is the problem with you today Al…….get up on wrong side of the bed or what??? You sound a lot more then pissed…..geeesh

          You really need to “bring -it- down”!!!!!!

        • JW and KN are doing an excellent job. JW came into the case later on and the amount of work done on the psychology and dv with alv and Dr. S. is mind boggling. The autopsy report doesn’t lie or change per JM’s whim. Page 1 of the Autopsy Report lists the causes of death. Findings are listed in order of significance to cause of death. Knife wounds are listed as primary and the gunshot wound as secondary. The brain is described in the report as having more preservation than he described today. The jury will have the autopsy report and it speaks for itself.

          • Unfortunately you have your priorities straight.

            I don’t think we know the half of what the defense team has been hit with from these haters.

    • If that was true WHO would’ve snitched him out??? Not Jodi!! If someone saw this wouldn’t they have had to have proof?

      • Well he supposedly was assumed to have Forman sense about him and asked a lot of questions so depending on which expert they saw him ask questions for their is a chance he was pro prosecution

    • If they toss a juror out, for supossedly winking, i will go flip shit crazy.

      Seriously, that has to be the most BS reason ever. Oh, we will let you go home and watch video, shows, posts, debates, news articles, see pictures of the trial…. but if you wink at the defendent we will kick your ass off the jury.

      ALSO, JM Knows who is writing the questions, therefor he has a good idea of who is pro pros/defense. They get to watch them write the questions!

      After the judge has asked all the jury questions, and the def/pros have talked she always asks “do any of the jurors have any questions to add?” They SEE who puts the question in the bin.
      This should be done by secret, so that JM cant target them. If this was a pro pros juror he wouldnt have said shit!

    • I’m wondering the same thing. I’m starting to think that there has been a bomb threat if they have stopped proceedings all together. I just googled and nothing is coming up yet, though.

      Right now I’ve got the Technicolor rainbow on my screen. lol

      • Thanks Bystander, I would’ve stayed looking at rainbow screen for an hour! Lol
        MB, i didn’t hear them say anything either!! What’s with that, the last two days they just go without saying anything? ?? Why wouldn’t they come back today, is it because of what happened with juror #8?

        • But they did come back after the recess and said ”have a nice weekend,rememebr the admonition blah blah”.And the Judge sounded quite stricter while admonishing them actually.

            • She gave a very stern admonishment. She also said yesterday that today’s session would be quite short.

              So many times in this trial I have second guessed the defense team, only to later say “OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh that is why”

              so I am holding on to HOPE.

              and I am not giving Taliban haters who lurk here the satisfaction of seeing me sweat about anything…..

        • Yes, this is ridiculous! I’m guessing someone called in a bomb threat, that how it looks to me but I don’t know for sure.

          I don’t think it would be over a juror’s dismissal, unless they are taking the time to question each juror and see what more is going on.

          I wish I knew!!!

  227. Team Travis people are just so effing stupid:

    “When are the victim impact statements? Is it after both sides rests and after closing arguments?”

    • I hope we all get a chance to speak after closing arguments … hahaha

      We can tell JM how much we’ve suffered having to endure his shenanigans all these weeks! 🙂

      • Seriously though, it’s been mentioned the siblings are already busy working on their statements.

        Guess they need a lot of time to come up with the correct words that for most victims would come extemporaneously…

  229. Team Travis no likey court today:

    “Unfortunately, Dr. Horn Did Contradict His Earlier Testimony As Well As His Official Autopsy Report And Earlier Pre-Trial Statements He Gave And Were Testified To, By The Mesa Detective Flores.

    IF The Death Penalty Is Not Imposed, It Will Be Solely Due To This Witness And His Changing Testimony And That Would Be Another Great Injustice Against The Alexander Family… “

  230. JM has a fan club outside so no doubt he has one inside. There might be a court room snitch.

  231. I posted it yesterday, that we would lose another juror today.

    JM can see who is writing questions and guestimate if they are pro defense. I KNEW after he watched the jurors that had questions, that he would try to find a way to boot them.

    WInking? Give me a fucking break.

    they keep this shit up, and you will have crazy bastards planting bombs in court houses in AZ. What are they thinking? Do they not realize that the public is watching every move they make. That these jurors are going to be questioned by the public?

    Next JM will get a Gag order placed on the jurors for after the trial.

    • Are we sure that he was winking at Jodi??? And if this juror wasn’t in court today, then he wouldn’t of been the one who’s questions read today seemed to me to be pro-Jodi??

      • sorry I’m not sure what is going on here..I thought I heard that a juror wasn’t present today at all..then the winking sub came up..but then there were good questions I thought for ME today..am I missing something?

  234. Off topic:Just read 2 rumours about this case and seriously cant believe the stuff people are coming up with!! LMAO!

      • Stupid,unsubstantiated things as usual.
        1.That TA was obsessed with the Psycho movie & they were acting it out. (WTF?)
        2.That Jodi was PREGNANT the day she killed TA ,meaning she had to fight not only for her life but for her unborn child’s as well (double WTF?)

        Go figure…..

  235. I think the defense has done a great job in many ways, but today was the proof in the pudding!

    A good attorney does not show all their cards while the witness is on the stand to rebuff or argue what they are saying. JW obviously has alot of things she can bring up during closing, which is where she needs to do it. This garbage of Det. Flores lying on the stand is a big one, but the Dr. changing his testimony from earlier is probably the biggest! Although, we as the viewing audience would love to see her jump on every word, its not the way to handle to it.

    We all know this trial can go either way, but I’m confident in the way this defense team has handled themselves, and if the jury convicts on circumstantial evidence, then there is nothing that can be done about that. The issue at hand is PREMEDITATION, she’s already admitted to killing him. The defense has filed for the charges to be offered as manslaughter, and if the judge was smart, she would allow it.
    There is WAY too many conflicting testimonies on the states part to even get close to beyond a reasonable doubt.

    • Totally agree, Melvis. I also want to add that the way it looks to me, the D has tried this whole case with appeal in mind. They have made a really good record of an utter tornado of a case, and teed it up really well for the appellate team, should it come to that.

    • I agree Melvis.For almost 5 months we’ve been singing the Defense Team’s praises not because they happen to be on Jodi’s side but because they deserve to be praised.I trust them blindly-it’s patience we need to have now.If they did or didnt do sth during rebuttal days,Im sure they know better than most of us.They’ve done an exquisite job.They wouldnt blow it now!! No way! Frustration is caused because we all feel the ending coming,we believe in Jodi and want to see her free but it’s not fair to start judging Nurmi or Wilmott.

      • Maria,

        I think you have been one of the top five cheerleaders for the Jodi and the Defense. I respect your opinion especially because it is tempered with so much compassion. My own perspective about the Defense has been a mixed bag. Some days have been harder to watch them than others. I have not understood why some expert witnesses were not brought on board. This was a critical day imo because again the jury is gone for the weekend and they have these autopsy images left in their minds, along with Horn’s biased fabrications. I wanted JW to go after Horn with the same determination she had with totdoc.

    • “JW obviously has alot of things she can bring up during closing, which is where she needs to do it. This garbage of Det. Flores lying on the stand is a big one, but the Dr. changing his testimony from earlier is probably the biggest! ”

      I do agree Melvis!

      Some shit balls have to be dealt with during closing.

      • Awesome! So glad you all agree….I know its tough to be patient, I’ve had over the last several weeks some days where I just wanted to scream at the defense table, ‘ WTF are you doing”…but then I settled down, and see them hitting stuff out of the ball park.

        That’s why I’m so excited to see their closing arguments, all of this mismash of DA dribble will be handled, and effectively “laid to rest” once and for all. I just wish they could get Flores testimony thrown out. I don’t understand how an officer of the law can lie on the stand under oath and the Judge allows it to be entered into evidence. Maybe one of our legal eagles on here can address that…

        • You’re right Melvis, thank you, you’ve helped me feel alot better with your post. Thanks! !! : ))

    • Totally agree too Melvis. Thanks for seeing through all the bullchyt…..and stating the fact as they are. I am far from disappointed in the DT. It’s not over yet:>)

  237. Just was watching HLN and they are saying they witness has changed his story three times about the gun shot wound……lol love it!!

    • I hear that too!! Which I believe that is why JW didn’t have to be “rough” on the ME!!!!! Why….he was doing plenty of damage to himself by not being able to keep his chyt straight!!!!!

  238. HLN guest saying the ME kept changing his story under oath about the bullet wound.

  239. I just don’t know what to think. Yesterday we heard about death threats against the defense and other witnesses. Today, there’s the incident with a bomb sniffing dog? and then I can see as clear as day that JW was a little rattled. I think the pressure is getting to them. And I don’t blame them. If it were me, I would be scared of these stupid haters. The voicemail left in JW’s answering machine was pretty macabre.

    Wouldn’t you be scared for you and your family? Haven’t we seen how much personal information has been posted online about Jodi and her family? I’m sure they’ve done the same to Nurmi and JW.

    I pray that for Jodi’s sake, Nurmi and JW find the strength to see this through. It would have been ideal if for every witness that JM is calling right now, there would have been a counter witness for the defense. But at this point, I honestly believe that they can’t find anyone to testify for Jodi because of what happened to Alyce and Dr. Samuels. Fuck, I need a beer.

    But still, I think Jenny did great, considering. And I have faith that the remaining jurors will be wise and see right through Dr. Horn’s lying horns.

    • Amen Sil! I admire all 3 of them for being so strong during all this,especially Jodi of course for obvious reasons.

      • Yes, my faith in them remains unshaken. I will be sending positive thoughts and prayers their way tonight. I’m kind of glad they’re gonna have time to work on their closing arguments. I believe they’re gonna rock that jury!! =)

    • “Fuck I need a beer”

      😆

      this case is going to turn me into a raging alcoholic. Can I sue JM? He has given me PTSD.

  240. I can’t believe more jurors aren’t gone, nobody is going to tell me that they haven’t seen or a family member hasn’t told them about the death threats and lunacy happening. I would get my ass out of there, I would be scared to death of some of these mentally unbalanced characters. IMO you would have to be nuts to remain on a jury with a high profile case like this, no way would I endanger my family and myself. Horrible commentary about what is happening in this country.

    • Good evening 🙂

      Leah I agree with you and what bothers me is that jurors will be scared to give non guilty or even manslaughter because they will also get death treats. Remember some of CA jurors went in hiding after the trial. This has gone out of control and it’s too late now. I am very worried about the outcome of the trial. I just don’t know how long will take for an appeal.

  241. I’m dying to get some info to formulate an opinion about the tossing of this juror. Any read on how the “haters” are taking it? Being a contrarian to what they are buzzing is usually a good place to start.

    • The haters are saying it was a defense ploy, and that this removed juror was pro pro.

      But they are watching a different trial than we are.

      • Are they fucking kidding me?

        They are so full of shit.

        There is nothing to be gained for the defense by being distracted by death threats and bomb scares.

        It is clearly the Travis Taliban stepping up their efforts to try to minimize the time the defense has to put on their surrebuttal case. Any half brained hamster can see that.

        • I misread your comment.

          Sorry, I’m still pissed that they would have the audacity to blame the defense for anything, especially death threats or a bomb scare.

        • I think they are full of it.
          There wasn’t a REAL bomb scare, OR they would have had everyone leave the building.
          Just more horseshit!!!
          MB, if they pulled that crap and didn’t get everyone out then AZ does suck.
          IF there IS really a bomb threat they would have done like they usually do.
          Not just trot in with a dog. They are real dumbasses!

    • Last week, there was some kind of facial expression or body language going on one day during questioning a witness. The live stream I was watching showed the defense table starring over at the jurors several times. It was obvious something was going on that they did not like. Well, I’m guessing..if this was the same juror that made facial expressions during Nurmi’s cross with Deanna R., that may of been enough to get her dismissed.

  242. Medical examiner was a huge piece of this case. I think this was a big day for a defense. In most people’s minds crime scene evidence tells the story and is weighed heavily during deliberations. It’s clear the prosecutions explanation doesn’t fit 100% with jurors based on the questions they asked, pics they’ve seen and now a wispy washy ME.

  243. Just got up. : )
    The trial is on today???
    What time did it start?

    I did see that he has changed his story.
    IF we noticed it, HLN admitted to noticing it, didn’t the jury notice too?
    Talk about getting desperate!!!

    They say if Jodi lied, they would throw out her testimony?.
    What about the DR lies?

  244. I can remember Galonos on HLN when he was neutral to all the HLN B.S. I remember Ryan Smith and Jean Casarez that way also. They have all gone to the dark Nancy Grace /Vinnie Politan side. Beth Karas is on her way. I hope Robin Meade does not cave to that side. And God bless Sunny Hostin for leaving before the pitcher of poison got passed to her.

    • I loved Sunny! During the CA trial, it was the only safe place to address my thoughts!

    • Beth Karas is fully on the dark side. She just said that the ME didn’t MEMORIALIZE his opinion IN WRITING, so it doesn’t count that he changed his story on the stand.

      • Does she think the jurors are going to read thru that if they walked away feeling he was bias or giving conflicting answers. Doubtful

        • Beth has already gotten there.
          I can’t believe it’s her.
          I thinK she will have a stroke if Jodi doesn’t get the DP.
          Seriously they have ALL gone there.
          I’ve seen them full of anger before, but not like this one.
          I hope they all lose their jobs.

    • I liked Sunny until I saw her as a guest touting the party line of hate.

      You’re right, Nancy Grace and Vinnie Politan seem to be the major shit stirrers there. I’d include JVM, but she’s just a pitiful tag along.

      • I missed that, probably cuz I cannot stomach HLN anymore. And, I agree, JVM has transferred over too. And at the top of her voice. All that yelling is so over the top! I feel much better without HLN. I do enjoy Robin Meade, however.

        • Robin seems to be the only one that hasn’t sold her soul to Santa to get a pay raise.

          I read somewhere in Revelations that’s a sign of the apocalypse. 🙂

      • haha I haven’t liked Sunny since the gun thing she actually said no one needs a gun
        now a days except the police etc. Because no one hunts an eats food anymore it is
        in the grocery store! WTH I wanted to smack the crap out of her.

        Really because we eat deer meat here still in the country. But true we could just Bow
        hunt only. An if all the guns were gone that does not stop the bad guys. I can still protect
        myself with a Bow an Arrow maybe a homemade gun an other things but I doubt the
        normal city girl Sunny can protect herself at all hope she never has too. I guess she
        would lay down an just take the punishment from some weirdo out there. I will not!

  245. On HLN, Def Lawyer Brian Silbur (I think) has some excellent arguments about the gunshot. DT should have done a better job with researching on this, knowing it was coming, and rammed that info down Horn’s throat! This was the crux of the trial – the sequence, etc. What the heck was up with the DT? Can’t they consult with people who know more on this and other matters that they are low on info with? I am furious. They should’ve had their foot on his throat, and also Flores throat and never let go unless and until they coughed up the truth. P*SSED now.

    Don’t like it when jw starts up and then tends to hesitate with her questioning and skips the trail of thought and goes off on another tangent. She had him several times. If we as laymen know a few things why don’t they take the time to research/consult/do whatever they need to do to bring it all home. Gaps are glaring right now. Sorry, don’t mean to rant, just feeling too weary about all this bungling when a person’s life is on the line. Just do your homework already, DT. Come on!!

    • The defense team just proved this Doctor has changed his testimony, again, so what more do we want…it won’t stand up during closing, watch and see.
      This is just all theatrics, again, from the Houdini DA….sorry, but I disagree! Have faith…the talking heads are just trying to rain on our parade….it won’t work!

      • I agree with you introspective. Defense could have done a lot more to make his testimony not credible. I have heard pathologists even on HLN, SHOCKING! who say that he wouldn’t have necessarily been incapacitated. Even JVM interviewed someone who knows people have gotten up walked around with a gunshot in the brain. Why alternate information to show this was never introduced to the jury is beyond me. And one of the reasons I eventually came to this page – among many – is the fact that we are supposed to believe she attacked with a knife while he was sitting in shower with his knees bent and just inches from his chest. Yet we are supposed to believe that heart wound came first, with enough force to deliver a deep enough wound that would have been fatal eventually. Don’t believe that BS story for a second. Makes no plausible sense when you look at the way he is sitting. In addition, how is it premeditated murder if she used a damn knife? She – according to the prosecution – went through all the steps of making sure she didn’t get caught, but yet runs the risk of using a knife and getting hurt or killed herself when she could have just used the gun first? If I were to believe the prosecutor that the knife came first, this is 2nd degree at most for me. No way can they convince me it was premeditation because of a missing .25 but then turn around and say she killed him with a knife.

        • — Some of that was quick typing and maybe could have been a little better written, but hope it made sense, lol!

          • It DOES make sense Ashley. Really even if JW didnt pin Horn to the floor, its true what you say. I hope the jujury see it that way too. Its even more apparent that it WAS NOT a premeditated act.Really who brings a gun and ends using a knife instead and risking themselves to loose and die. Doesn’t make sense at all, I dont know why Martinez even went this route too.

      • I agree with you Melvis. Anyone who is closely follow can see……there a reason why JW stopped. She made her point and moved on…….ME answered the same question three diffrent ways at three diffrent times.

        • I don’t know that if that’s enough though Moni. I originally believed the prosecutor on this until I saw where a pathologist said he could have still gone on (somewhat dazed and disoriented) after a gunshot wound. Only then did I question everything. Had I never heard others say that, his three different answers may haven not been significant enough for me, because regardless of how he worded them, it’s still the same answer, Travis would not have been able to walk around after that shot.

          • I would have never had to hear that even. As I heard a story about a burglar in
            Atlanta GA just last year that broke into a home an the woman hid her children an
            herself in a closet when the intruder opened the closet door she shot him in the face
            4 or 5 times with .25 he then proceeded to leave get in his car an drive to the hospital!

            The cops stopped him in route! so I knew when they said .25 big possibility of LIFE
            after the shot to the face.

        • Totally, Moni. People, even without realizing it, wait for that Perry Mason moment. It doesn’t happen. Witnesses don’t “break” on the stand, despite what Vinnie Politan says. If they get pressed too hard, they are more likely to say something conclusory that contradicts what the cross examiner is trying to get out of them. Lawyers should never give them a chance to explain themselves if it can be helped. Willmott is the picture of discipline in this regard-a shining example of good trial practice skills. We can never predict what a jury will do, but as far as how it looks from the sidelines, JW/KN are a study in “How to Do It” and JM the very emblem of “What NOT to Do”

          • As much as I like JW, can’t help but say they should have had their own M.E., so even though I watched all of his testimony BOTH times, I don’t see how he was tripped up enough to convince a juror that he was wrong, because as you said there was no Perry Mason moment. Hence the need for their own M.E. or at least some statistical evidence to show he was wrong.

            • He gave 3 different stories. According to the pros, isn’t this enough to disregard everything Jodi says?

              • Good point joujou! I really don’t mean to be pessimistic here, lol, I just wonder if it’s enough is all. Never can tell with jurors, I mean look at Casey – I realize for some of you you believed in her innocence all along so it was no surprise.. I was convinced they would get her on at the minimum manslaughter. So we’ll have to see how it plays out. Getting the chance to read other comments now and seeing where people think she’ll really be able to bring this home in closing. I still can’t help but wish they had brought in their own.

  247. I don’t remember Jodi saying anything about how close TA was to her when the gun went off. She said he was lunging foward with arms out towards her and eventually grabbing around her waist. That doesn’t mean he was at point blank range that would cause the stipling.

    • Exactly! they keep saying that about the stippling around the entry wound. But why
      did they not find gun shot residue on her bloody hand print also?

      He was not right up against the gun when it went off. She does not know the exact
      feet he was from her when the gun went off either. An the body was washed off.
      An we know after you wash your hands the residue is gone also so why would
      Travis’s Head be any different?

      Those guns also you can’t shoot one efficiently if further than a few feet away
      they are not powerful at all. If she had it right up to his head like they want to think
      I would think the bullet would have came out the other side possibly. But the further
      away the less powerful the shot with a small caliber gun.

      Seriously if I really hated
      someone I would just shoot them with that type of gun right between the eyes an
      very close up not in a weird place like above the right eyebrow going downwards?

      • Yea and most likely when they were asleep NOT when they’re up, giving them a chance to come get you.

  248. The state page is run by some hags from down under. No offense to Australia. I have family down there but on the West coast. Anyway these bitches have it ass backwards based on this comment they posted for their followers:

    There will be NO room for any appeal, NONE. Kirk Nurmi made sure of that. All the mistrials he applied for, all the complaints made, every single thing that the two of them did, was to make sure Arias does NOT get a retrial.

  249. Doc just clogged up the weasel’s colon even more after that XE that JW laid on him! here different lies to the jury! Love it! Love it ! LOVE IT!!!!! GO TEAM JODI GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      • BK on HLN .. she got a call about what was going on and even asked why would they bring the dog thru, that does this every day as routine thru a criminal court room at this time, couldn’t it have waited.

  252. HLN is breeding hate in a country that has more than its share of it right now. There’s all the strife cuz of the depressed economy and the middle class being thrown under the bus. There’s shootings going on at schools, and bombings at marathons. Republicans and Democrats can’t get along so we can’t get anything done to help the economy.

    Then HLN with their biased views on this trial, are inciting people that mostly do not know anything about the trial. They follow it when they get home, and get their opinions ruined by Nancy Disgrace, Jane “very mouthy mitchell, and Dr. Smut.

    This breeding of anger from people who may already be very angry is dangerous. We all know that most of the people in this country own guns of some kind. If anything were to happen to Jodi or her attourneys, or anyone who testifies for the defense HLN would be in for a very large suit.

    They have a responsibility to be unbiased to prevent this kind of hatred.

    • Agree 100% Dave…and even scarier is the fact that the FCC will do NOTHING against them, I’ve tried. They say “news distortion” isn’t grounds for any penalty. Even if they are registered as a NEWS station, they are allowed to do this.

    • I totally agree!! They present themselves as a legitimate news agency, so they *should* be acting like one. Not inciting public outrage when there’s already a problem with anger turning to violence.

      The irony is that they *pretend* to care about stuff like bullying and discrimination. But that’s the very stuff that’s written all over their own programming!

      They have the resources and influence to affect people – and like Krista mentioned yesterday, not everyone has the Internet or 500 channels to choose from to get their news. I have very basic cable and I have HLN, FOX, ABC, and NBC to get my news from, and I am a fan of none of them. Sad part is, I normally just watch PBS which is free anyway. But I have to have cable to get Internet. See what I mean??

      • I do….I had that same problem for quite awhile, until I started paying more attention to the internet and getting my news from there.
        CSPAN is about the only place left where you can see things for exactly what they are. Too bad, they don’t do more news…:{

        • I lived without cable for most of my adult life, until I wanted to upgrade from DSL and was required to have the minimal cable package to get cable Internet. That was five years ago.

          Before then, I was happy reading my news from the Internet, until they started adding comments sections. It seems that the “news and views” culture started before HLN, who took it and ran with it and that’s what we’re seeing now.

          I was never interested in Facebook or Twitter, although I bookmark a few people and follow them. But the electronic lynch mob HLN has formed on those places has made me swear them off for good. It’s such a cesspool of hate and bullying, it’s just not worth it.

      • Do you have FSTV or LINK? These are both good news stations, but they cover more international stuff or Federal level issues. Amy Goodman is my hero, I was wishing she would cover a little of the Arias trial with respect to the media and haters, but I have not seen any coverage.

  253. Jurors are not allowed to tell anyone what trial they are serving on. So say Juror #3 goes home tonight, and hubby starts telling her something that he read online or saw on tv. Then what? If the juror ignores hubby and walks away; he may keep prodding her and spilling beans about what he heard about. The juror is not supposed to say I cant talk about that. That would be a dead giveaway as to what trial they are serving.
    I find it hard to believe that the jurors husband or kids or whomever would not know what trial the family member was on. I also think that at least one if not more of them HAS seen coverage of the trial. There is just no way no how that has not happened.

    • I’ve wondered the past couple months if money is the reason they didn’t.

      • I’m sure it’s a big factor. Jose Baez only had a lot of money to work with in Casey’s trial because of the pics that were sold to PEOPLE Magazine.

    • Maybe they will find ME to rebutt. Defense attorney on HLN said they may be scurrying to do that!

      • I hope so… I couldn’t understand why they didn’t have one to begin with. It’s a death penalty case, and I don’t care how much people complain about the money it takes to defend her, our system of justice is set up that everyone gets a fair trial. Without another M.E. it’s not fair. Maybe that’s an appealable issue?

        • And if they don’t like it, then that is one of many good reasons to be against the death penalty – way too expensive.

  255. I found out via twitter that Juror 8 was in the courtroom up until the dog came in and there was a break? That he was dismissed in the mean time and only missed the very end, admonition and adjournment. It was also noted that he put a question in the box this morning for the doc. I missed this mornings testimony but I thought i was pass that on.

  256. I am behind on the testimony cuz I had to go to court for a speeding ticket, which I am resentful of, now I need to mow my yard. Damn! I need to start drinking! I did catch a little of JW making the ME look foolish and uncertain of what his actual findings were but I had to stop or I’ll never get anything done!!

      • Very good point. This happens all the time. And a .25 clipping the frontal lobe or temporal lobe would not have incapacitated him. Like I said he would have choked on the blood first.

        • Could it make someone more violent? I’ve heard some brain injuries/tumors can do that.

          • Studies have proven that individuals who have suffered a frontal lobe brain injury often show drastic changes in both social and sexual behaviors. When comparing damage to the frontal left and right lobes it appears damage to the right lobe can lead to pseudopsychopathic behaviors.

  258. It is my hope that the jury is sequestered for the time of deliberations, so that they can be protected if need be.

  259. Reasonable doubt – the ME uses words like” probable” and “I mis spoke”, words changing in today’s testimony alone and again from first time on stand; Reasonable doubt – the detective F. says he” mis spoke” about the gun shot coming first. The shelving pictures did nothing to improve the case for the pros. Reasonable doubt – gas cans and why she had them and a keros can and why there is no return of the kero can so what?; reasonable doubt – gun and knife not in evidence. Reasonable doubt about why and when she dyed her hair. Can’t tie this in to pre med.
    DV – treatment psychological and emotional abuse has been proven through written words by TA
    Control – exerted by Travis, she moved to Mesa, she joined his church, she had to socialize with his friends, not hers; she became so intertwined with his personna that she lost her own.
    Unfortunately imo, Jodi’s testimony will not be taken seriously because of her capacity to tell lies. I think it will come down to forensics and the pros has not done well in this regard. Sadly, this man used and abused Jodi and I think something happened on June 4th that set off a physical altercation and she lost it…… As far as juries go, one never knows what they will do. It has been an ugly trial and I am really shocked at just how vicious many people have become over it. It doesn’t leave much hope for the human race if people haven’t evolved from the “Roman gladiator days”.

    • Jodi’s going on the stand helped bring in a lot of hearsay through the experts, though, so in the end it was probably worth it. Plus it gave her a chance to humanize herself to the jury, which will probably help if there is a penalty phase.

  260. According to Horn’s first testimony, at

    http://jodi-arias.wikispaces.com/HornCross
    (thank you geebee2, always accessing it with google ‘jodi arias wiki’)

    The bullet entered just above the right brow through the skull and ended up in the left cheekbone right above the mouth. Unless its path curved through the brain — SOMEHOW –, it looks like it didn’t even enter the brain or just nicked it above the brow.
    ”
    Jennifer Willmott: Okay. So there’s an entry wound right above his right brow. Is that right?
    Kevin Horn: Yes.
    Jennifer Willmott: And, just in the middle of his brow. Just above it, actually.
    Kevin Horn: It’s above it, yes.
    ……..
    Jennifer Willmott: Okay. And it was coming in a downward position, right?
    Kevin Horn: It may have been deflected by the bone, since it’s passing through the skull. So, it’s position in the cheek may not be the- the actual trajectory at the beginning of its path.
    ”
    It does not sound like an incapacitating wound at all.

    • Yea he was so full of SHIT! He made a fool of himself! Even if it did, it is possible that it still wouldn’t have capasitated him right away. Anyone knows that and he sat there denying it! You image what other experts are thinking about him??? And all because he wants to agree with the prosecutor OR he was forced to agree OR hes scared thst the same haters will ruin his career.

      • I am a doctor, radiologist, but I am embarrassed by his testimony and I am not a forensics pathologist by any means. He cooked the evidence and was speculating. Sad to see someone do that.

    • Not at all. I think if anything it clipped the brain. The facial injury would have been bad and bloody but it fits in beautifully with the blood evidence in the bathroom. No doubt in my mind it was first and he kept coming.

      • This case about Phineas Gage is a classic case of front lobe injury I learned about in my anatomy classes and it keeps coming into my mind today. About a guy who survived frontal lobe damage. His story is much different but shows how you can still live with this type of injury.
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phineas_Gage

        • I saw cases of impalement when I was in med school and surgery internship. Well not up close but photos etc. People who survived much worse trauma.

  261. Hi everyone, just finished reading all your comments for today. I wasn’t able to watch and looks like I missed a lot. Is the youtube link available? Also very curious to know more about juror #8 & wth happened. Could the dog have picked up something on him? Also Dr. Horn’s back peddling possibly due to him receiving threats too or just afraid of it happening to him too? But wouldn’t he know that behaving like he did today made anything he said null and void?

  263. If the jurors only knew one thing–that the bastards at Maricopa County changed the bullet from being first to being last only AFTER she changed her plea from not guilty to self defense, it would be a short deliberation.

    And possibly even jury nullification due to their outrage. Wouldn’t that be sweet. Martinez would have to be taken out in a straight jacket.

  264. Dr. Horn. Do you have memory problems? You made mistakes in your testimony? You weren’t really a keynote speaker were you? Are you really an ME? Good god.

  265. You know, I felt really bad for the family when they were crying during the first phase of this trial.

    Now that I know they were purposefully trying to destroy people’s careers, I have nothing but disgust now.

    • MB, is it possible to really FEEL for someone in your family if you’ve been estranged for years? I have been, and I feel numb and not sure how I would really feel.

      • I have a feeling you wouldn’t feel too much like prostituting yourself all over the internet soliciting money. I feel safe in assuming you wouldn’t feel that it was right to try to ruin the careers of third parties who had nothing to do with the crime. And it’s just a feeling, but I’d wager you wouldn’t encourage others to threaten people with death, or otherwise incite violence against others.

        • No, you are right, jjb. For the life of me, I can’t understand what they would really gain in the end. As much as they will convince themselves that they are deserving/entitled to any of it – eventually its going to rankle in their soul – leaving them with no peace. I get the sense when I watch them ‘react’ to things in court that its not coming from a good place, as in, it rarely feels genuine for me. I could be wrong. It might have been more impactful if they had remained more stoic. Just know how I would’ve not reacted.

    • Yes and it seems some have already taken to Amazon with their false reviews on ALL of Dr. Geffner’s books. I would imagine that over the weekend, they’re really turn up the heat. The reviews now are saying “How sad that you are willing to ruin your career just to lie for a murderer, same as your friend Laviolette. So sad for true victims of DV.”

  266. I agree about the gunshot. I do NOT think that it went anywhere near his brain. Even the ME said that it could have “bounced off the skull.”

    Like I stated before, this forensics theory reminds me of the MAGIC BULLET in the Kennedy Assassination! LOL

  270. Yes really memory problems should have been addressed to Horn. What a LIAR!
    3 different answers he gave. An I would like to know why the defense does not have
    a REAL ME on the case? this one talks out both sides of his face that is from Mesa
    he also takes big gulps after answering an clenches his jaw tight. It is very clear he
    is lying for Flores an JM. My opinion an I hope a Juror saw what I did in his jaw line
    while being questioned. LIAR!

  272. If we can’t see the track through the brain, then there’s no way of knowing if the bullet passed through the brain.

    The gunshot would was right above his eyebrow, and lodged in his cheek.

    At that angle, even if it passed through a small portion of the brain, is not a kill shot by any means.

    I have a hard time believing that an intruder in GA can get shot in the face 5 times and walk away, but Travis would be immediately incapacitated.

  273. Someone previously posted the descriptions of jurors. Actually, I think it has been posted more than once. Is juror #8 the women about age 55 to 60, who set the closest to the witness box?

  277. My uncle was a mortician-as well as some of my other family membres and I have personally gone with them to pick up the deceased. And, some of them were victims of gun shot wounds to the head. In fact, one was a suicide victim whose body was not discovered for two days Not only could you smell the decomposition from the front of his apt bldg.—-with the doors closed!—- when we went to ready him for transport the brain matter had already liquefied! Making it virtually impossible to tell whether there had been any brain damage or not! So, if TA’s body was discovered later than that, there would be absolutely no way in hell that Doogie ME would be able to tell if there was any brain damage or not! Go get ’em JW! GO TEAM JODI!!!!!!!!! AND HUGE HUGS TO JODI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  278. So, basically the case has been argued. We have one day of testimony left, but that is to refute the DR.D testimony with a defense witness. Since we already don’t believe DR.D, the testimony will mean nothing to us here, it will not change our opinion. Therefore the arguments, as far as info for us to debate, is finished.

    Now that OUR case is over…let’s talk:

    To start, before the trial began, the defendant was innocent of Murder 1 and Pre-meditated murder. (Innocent until proven guilty)

    Then evidence came in, during trial, to attempt to prove the state’s case for M1 and PM. (and possibly added lesser offenses of Murder 2 and manslaughter)

    I know this will be hard for some, but let’s debate the evidence. (Just like there are people blind to the evidence that says she is guilt, we also have people here that will ignore the evidence and simply say she is innocent) I am asking for truly open minded thinking. No prejudices.

    Has the state proved beyond a reasonable doubt that this was M1 or PM?

    I am going to hold my opinion and reasoning until later.

    if we could try and keep this in some sort of format that everyone can understand, that would be great. I would suggest:

    Evidence that leads to PM: (Facts that PROVE PM)
    1)
    2)
    3…

    Evidence that leads to M1: (Facts that PROVE M1)
    1)
    2)
    3….

    Evidence that leads to Acquittal: (Facts that PROVE self-defense)
    1)
    2)
    3…….

    LETS TAKE FOR GRANTED THAT THE LESSER CHARGES ARE INCLUDED…

    Evidence that leads Murder 2:
    1)
    2)
    3…..

    Evidence that leads to Manslaughter:
    1) She has admitted that she didn’t mean to kill him, but that she did in fact cause his death. (Obvious evidence, so I added this to start)
    2)
    3…..

    Please keep in mind, and even though I WHOLE HEARTADLY DISAGREE WITH THIS, the state of AZ does count Circumstantial evidence the same as primary evidence. So please feel free to add evidence that is circumstantial, as the jury will be instructed to do the same we deliberating.

  279. I still see nothing in the news about a bomb threat and I would think that they would have posted something if that were the case.

    So now I am left wondering why, if the trial has to be wrapped up on one day of testimony, the judge would recess until next Wednesday? It makes no sense. The defense will have almost no time to present their surrebuttal, unless that was the point all the time (which I think it is).

    • MB, they said the dog was a standard procedure they do everyday but today they where running late.
      As far as the day being over early, idk but I wouldn’t be surprised if the reason was to give less time to the defense. If they needed to take a few days with dr Gaffner will they nit be allowed, did the judge give them a time to do the rebuttal?

  280. Hi y’all 🙂

    I have been reading along your comments for the many days of this trial. Also I have read just a few of the awful comments posted under the youtube sites that show the trial coverage.

    First let me say that I live in Alabama now and have had PTSD since 15 yo due a serial killer in our high school and a personal run-in with him. I am conservative in life and politics and most importantly, faith.

    That is just a summation of “me” so you can put me in a catagory in your own mind’s eye. Oh, and I am white and 49 yo female 🙂

    I want to share some thoughts with y’all.

    1. Listening to the prosecutor frightens me and makes my PTSD symptoms worse.

    2. Y’all are really nice here by comparison to the ‘haters’ as you call them. I honestly do not see how anyone holds onto and keeps fueling so much hatred.

    3. The horrible comments said about Jodi, Willmott, Nurmi, and the variouse defense witnesses have been filled with hatred, bile, and violence. Much like the typed words of Travis to Jodi and completely opposite to the calm replies from Jodi to Travis even in the heat of the moment. Since God takes every word said even in secret and calls the unrepentant to account for those words, it would seem that the ‘haters’ are in a world of hurt and need to fear more for their own destination than Jodi’s.

    4. HLN is cartoonish at best and is so vile to me because the subject matter deals with life and death. They make a mockery of the American Judicial System in front of the whole world and bring shame to the best and most hopeful system man has ever been able to come up with. While far from perfect, I would not trade it for any other judicial system in the past or present world. I shudder at the thought!

    5. Travis Alexander was a very very bad man. There is solid evidence of that. And while some may say, “but he wasn’t deserving of death”, in the sense that we all are deserving of death for our sins, yes he was. The real question should be and is, “was Jodi in the right or wrong to take his life?”

    6. The two defense attorneys are so nice aren’t they!!!! Very kind and respectful and professional.

    7. I had a longstanding run-in with a borderline personality disorder sufferer and he (passed away now) acted to a T like Travis Alexander. I just wanted to mention that because I thought it to be very ironic that the disorder is given to Jodi.

    8. Finally, I would like to thank you for the opportunity to express my thoughts and to let you know that it is a high compliment to you all that I am willing and able to do so with regard to my PTSD. I would never venture out like this if you all did not seem very level-headed. 🙂 and kind-hearted. 🙂

    • I love your comment. It was intellectual and funny all at the same time while making several great points. Stay around. You’ll have fun.

      • Thank you 🙂 it was hard to do. I am not very brave, but I have an awful angst against both bullies and those that rewrite history for any motive. Jodi was indeed a very foolish young lady to go back to that man, but we have all been young and foolish. And if there is any punishment to be served for it, these years in prison should be enough. Just my opinion based on my own foolish past. :/

        • Welcome Holly.
          Thanks for the post, it was very nice.
          Hope you stick around, look forward to hearing more!

        • Welcome Holly, I was hesitant to post here also. I’m not a fighter and was shocked to read the hate on the other sites before running across this one. I’m glad I found it because I would most likely of tuned out to the trial due to the witch hunt effect.

          I completely agree with you that Jodi’s spent enough time in jail for this crime that she’s admitted to. There are many more true evil criminals in this world who’ve done far far worse.

          I’ve also done foolish things in the past and I’d bet I will do foolish things in my future. I know if my past was examined under the same microscope as was Jodi’s JM would have a lot more that I’ve said and done in my lifetime that he could spin into making me appear to be the worst foul mouthed psychopathic creature on earth.

          I’m glad you found this site. These folks here are bright, funny, kind, compassionate and have great taste in music! Plus they have the cutest furry family members ever 🙂

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