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Jodi Arias Trial – Day 53 (after trial comments)

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Ok… so there’s no trial this afternoon as we thought… but even after losing juror #8,  that doesn’t stop us discussing the very brief morning session and (primarily) the 30 minutes of bullshit from Kevin Horn.

Apparently, and in an attempt to backtrack and keep Martinez happy,  Horn now appears to see no difference whatsoever between the damage that can be caused by a .25 caliber handgun (with hollow point bullets), and a .45 Magnum. Interesting.

On cross with Jennifer, it also transpired (from his January testimony) that Horn also told Flores the gunshot would not have been immediately incapacitating.

Horn then denied having had any conversation whatsoever with Flores.

When asked (by Martinez) whether or not the gunshot would have rendered TA unconscious, he replied “probably.”

When asked (by Martinez) whether the gunshot would have been immediately incapacitating, he replied “yes”.

Speculation at its finest.

I’m also glad that Jennifer highlighted his earlier “verbal errors” too, specifically about the brain being “liquefied” on direct back in January… then in cross saying he’d taken slices/samples of the same brain for examination.

Jennifer definitely had this clown on the ropes… and judging by the jurors questions, they knew that too.

Leave your comments below…

SJ
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    • It was a very good defense day, but what was even better was when all 4 lawyers (pro & con Jodi) agreed that the judge made a HUGE blunder in allowing the Alexander family to wear large ribbons while sitting in the gallery during the trial. They (as have I) have never seen that happen in a death penalty case, in my life. An almost certain reason for a higher court to overturn any possible conviction. This can be seen on Thursday’s JVM show.

      • Except that Jodi’s supporters ( mom/aunt/grandma/Donovan etc) were allowed to,wear the purple ribbons as well. I don’t think that will cause a conviction to be overturned.

        • Sorry Sully, but I disagree, The fact that some of Jodi’s family members started to wear ribbons after seeing that the Alexander family were wearing them, does not change the fact that NO ONE should be wearing anything on their clothing during a death penalty case. If you can point out any death penalty case where member’s of the family were allowed to sit in the gallery (first row) & wear anything that could prejudice the jury I’ll change my minds. That’s not just my opinion but all 4 lawyers who were asked about it on the JVM show Thursday night..

    • The defense has at least one juror… this whole rigmarole is going to result in a hung jury, a mistrial.

        • what side are you on? Think about what your saying…. That person cannot be intimidated under penalties of contempt of court. Get your thinking straight, and find out which side your on.

          • must be realistic.. it could happen.. hopefully the juror who is in favor of Jodie, has a strong conviction, becuz I am sure it has to be one of the hardest things to endure.. everyone all over you, tearing your belief system and opinions apart.. Must be strong… hopefully there is more then one juror who has doubts…

  2. JM when out with a whimper….could barely hear him say “State rests”. His demeanor says it all.

  4. I thought so as well….And I didn’t hear Kermit say he rested……I read it on line!!!!

  7. Was that a nod of her head ? on purpose or just her normal jerking actions she has
    I can’t read her well. But she does give JM many looks in his direction through the
    whole trial. An especially when she reads Juror questions. I really dislike the Judge
    in this case.

    • I think she is waiting for the expected croaking from Kermit…”objection…ribbit!!”

  8. I’m not sure if this was noted on the previous posts comments or not:

    croakerqueen123 1 hour ago

    Chris Stark ‏@stark3923
    Juror #8 i am told was excused for work reasons/conflict dates – he was told case would end April 11 not May 15.

    • croakerqueen123 47 minutes ago
      It is sealed though, so don’t take that as 100% true. We won’t know for sure unless the juror speaks.

    • Maybe it’s for the best. If I was juror and I was leaning toward a favorable verdict for Jodi, I would be begging my boss for a little more time. Also, how does anyone know a verdict will be reached by May 15?

      • Unless he was scared of the retaliation of pushing for a not guilty verdict!

    • That is that RAVING MAD STARK WOMAN ohhhhhhhhh dislike an distrust her I do anyways.

    • a while back an everyday courtroom observer posted this on their site about juror 8 and 9…

      Do any of you think he was the juror foreman…they also said that he was the one who put the most questions in the box…

      Juror 8…older nice looker male with goatee that looks like he may be the juror foreman
      Juror 9…slender male with long white pony tail

      • There is no jury foreman yet. Jurors when they go to deliberate elect a jury foreman.

        In this case, these people don’t even know who is on the jury and who is an alternate.

  9. Al….I Hope you settle down before you go home. you have a valid point. This trial is going over Until the verdict is read.

    • Cindy,

      Finally managed to cool down to get back and have a look at this page again. Had some meetings to attend to, which sort of distracted me. Thought I was going to have an aneurysm.

      Still pissed, though not ranting anymore.

      Man, this was my dream witness. I was hoping the defense would call him. I couldn’t believe it when JM did. I thought this was just going to be a hootinanny.

      But, like some wise guy said kaka occurs, and life goes on.

      • I felt bad that you were so upset
        So many have invested so much But in reality None of us knows What goes on behind closed doors. I do think that Jennifer left the door open for reasonable doubt. we will see. thank God we have five days….. hopefully the atmosphere around this trial well cool down. I hope you have a good night.

  10. ok, with that, confession time….
    my bf has been a real butthead lately, and yesterday I’d had enough…
    so last night he said he needed a laxative, and asked me if he could take some Correctal. I said sure, he asked how many….my passive aggressive self thinks about it, then out of my mouth, i say, “take 2…”
    needless to say, poor guy was up most of the night ….hehehe
    I can’t help but laugh, I know I shouldn’t but serves him right for being a brat to a nurse!!!
    just had to confess to someone, bad Melvis!!!

  11. hello to all finally got to use my brothers computer watch video heard a fart or was that a no

  12. does anyone know when was the last time a judge was paid off to help the proscutions case to win. :mrgreen:

      • Renee you are so funny but it does seem that way to many sidebars to much shooting down the defence and not letting in the real flores report if they could only see the breakdown that was done here they would be bobbing there heads like the judge she reminds me of the little bobbing doll that you put on the dash of a car.

      • I have actually felt that real behavior is occurring in the trial – the ones being shot down by the media are the winners in this case. This case is all about passion, what JA and TA were all about. The drama of up and down shows true response; coming from parties that are engaging for their team. I find that DeMarte was like that pop exam you get in Science/Psychology class. The human connection was just not there with DM. You know, like when you jump into a pool at 40 degrees Fahrenheit. In addition, I believe that Judge is leaving room for an appeal with several of her actions. Within law there is also interpretation as in theology, so hopefully it won’t be necessary but I do see it as a buffer.

    • OMG, it happens all the time — expecially in family court, and especially with domestic violence. AZ is one of THE worst states for that! But it happens in many many other types of cases, in many other states, and goes on for years before anyone gets caught. The last big one I remember reading about was the “Kids for Cash” scam in juvie court in PA.

      • How horrible..I looked up that kids for cash case! My bro & his friends used to sneak into an empty basement of a building all the time just to hang out, they got in trouble, yes, but I can’t imagine a kid going to juve for that.

    • Maybe they didn’t need to spend the money since Horn couldn’t seem to keep his story straight in the first place. He might a sort of Sampson from the Bible. Shaving off his beard rendered his truthtelling and keeping-story-straight abilities to zilch!

      I’ve never seen a doctor so defensive on the stand either — unless it’s a medical malpractice suit and the doctor is the defendant.

      • AA, I think that is the reason why the DF didn’t call their own ME as well~They didn’t have to!! Horn was very biased! And agree that he seemed very defensive, and I would think the jury would pick up on that!!

        • Missed the first part of the trial this morning. Now after reviewing, I’m laughing out loud. Horn got BUSTED by JW for his inconsistent testimony. This may be the biggest mistake that the prosecution has made.

          • I hope they point out those inconsistencies in their closing statements.

            That is damning to the prosecution.

          • If Jodi gets anything less than 1st deg murder and death penalty, we can all thank Flores and Dr. Horn. If I’m a juror, I’m seriously considering the possibility – based on the evidence – that Jodi acted in self-defence. To believe that the gunshot was an ‘afterthought’, the ‘coup de gra’ is laughable.

            • I loved Mr. KN’s smile when JW was questioning Horn about the track of the bullet. I’m feeling really positive for Jodi right now.

        • I think it was a big mistake not to call.their own medical expert to counter the ME; here’s why: The defense attorneys aren’t medical experts so no matter what they say about medical testimony, it may noy carry the same weight with many jurors as an ME or MD. Fyi, for those of you old enough to remember when Bobby Kennedy was assassinated, and saw it on tv, someone on a site supporting ‘guilty’ for Arias has posted the video showing the shooting and how it immediately incapacitated RK: They said he was shot with a .22, which is a smaller caliber than a a .25, right?IMO, the defense team should definitely have had a medical expert because they knew the prosecution strategy would definitely include tearing down JA’s account of what she remembered before the fog time.

          • Once again with comparing cases that are not alike, these people! Yes, Robert F. Kennedy was shot with a .22 caliber revolver. He was however, shot 3 times. The bullet that hit RFK in the head entered through the back of the head and broke apart, fragmenting. The other bullets went into his back and one came out his chest, the other lodged in his neck. The shooting “incapacitated” RFK because the bullet fragmented. He was however, able to move his head and speak. He was conscious for several minutes. Instantly incapacitated, no, stunned, yes. We cannot be sure that those around him did not make him lie still for medical treatment, either. Still, they are different and I wouldn’t compare the two. People think because there is one similarity you can compare, that’s outrageous. People do and have survived massive head wounds. The most famous case is Phineas Gage. He was a rail worker and suffered a severe accident where a large rod went through his head. Most of his left frontal lobe was destroyed. His personality did change (though often over-exaggerated by reporters), but he lived 12 more years. There was a study done in 2006 that stated that 5% of people shot in the head do survive. (This is what is called research, take notes HLN!)

            The fact is, in this case, unlike the RFK case, we cannot be sure of the trajectory of the bullet, which means we cannot know how much of the brain it disturbed. Dr. Horn is speculating based upon his examination. I personally don’t think they brought their own expert on because they didn’t have the money. Jodi is working on a public defender’s budget. She doesn’t have anyone volunteering pro bono, so everyone is paid for by the state. All of her experts must be approved for their payment, hours, etc. It also could be because the whole case has turned away from the forensics and it is concentrated more on the circumstantial and the interactions between the two. But, there are so many possibilities as to why they didn’t call a forensic pathologist, they didn’t need one because Dr. Horn contradicted himself and Det. Flores, they couldn’t find one that’s findings matched what they were exactly saying, they couldn’t find one that had the time to devote to the case, etc.

            Does having your own expert help? Yes, but the “shopping for hired guns” thing is overblown. You actually have to find an expert that has credentials that examines the evidence and finds something different. Very rarely does either side get someone who will risk their entire career and livelihood (not to mention face criminal charges). Even rarer would be for all of the state’s or defense’s experts to be “hired guns” (that’s just a Nancy Grace conspiracy theory). A lot of the same experts are used for the defense and the prosecution in different cases.

            [There are experts who have lied and cheated. Right now, I don’t see it in this case. Not knowing how to do your job is a different matter.]

            The most important question is, how would it have helped in this case? All the defense’s expert could say is that you can’t say, which is the truth. You can’t tell. They sort of got this out of Dr. Horn. They probably prioritized the money was better spent on another expert.

        • I wish they had brought their own ME on the stand to support Jodi’s version of events. It would have been more powerful. Probably more important than Alyce’s testimony because it involves the forensics. Surely they tried to hire am ME, did they trouble finding one to testify? I did hear many DV experts turned it down before Alyce. Guessing they knew what the backlash would be!

          I’m not as confident as some of you…very concerned about the verdict, that they will find guilty of murder one. Just a worry wart I guess.

          I wish we didn’t have to wait until a week from Monday for deliberations to start.

          • I don’t think the defense gets a free budget like we think? In the Casey Anthony case, Jose Baez called the world renowned Dr. Spitz and he was also attacked about his page. But he did well and people ended up believing him. But I digress. When I read his book, he revealed that ABC paid for some photos of Casey worth 200,000.00 and used a lot of that money to hire experts. Dr. Lee, the best, backed out due to pressure because of the hate. I think they couldn’t afford it.

            • My understanding is that public defenders have to justify and get expenses approved ahead of time from the public defender’s office. I’ve heard this from several former public defenders over the years. Since this is a death penalty case where the defendant could lose her life, typically, they will approve a great deal. It’s possible (although I don’t know for sure) that they would approve one or the other: the expert witnesses or the medical examiner. They may have been given a choice. I say this because I recall one friend who worked for the public defender’s office in IL after passing the bar and who was moaning one night over drinks about this choice his supervisor had to make in which experts to use and how he didn’t feel it was fair. Again, I could be wrong on this, but it’s definitely a possibility.

              • Maybe so, but Now they’re spending more money on a sur rebuttal witness who just seems like a duplicate of a witness they already had! Beyond that, I I heard this witness is associated with the witness that already testified. How is it a good thing to double down on one key aspect of defense while leaving another unresponded to?

  15. I’m anxious for the new Dr in surrebuttal… hoping he demolishes Demarte’s testimony.

  16. So here we are folks … the last witness of JM’s rebuttal (obviously, he didn’t get the bank lady) and what have we learned?

    Tot Doc told us the defense psych experts were unethical because they gave Jodi books. She also told us that Jodi has BPD not PTSD and that she thought Travis wasn’t abusive. In her mind, Travis merely engaged in unhealthy communication patterns infrequently. IMPORTANT NOTE: Tot Doc has less than 3 years of experience in reality, although she claims 8 years. The other experts have 35 and 34 years each. Meanwhile, because she brought in new evidence, the defense gets to put on a third psych witness with 28 years of experience to inform us how flawed Tot Doc’s testing was. Ultimately, this means the jury can decide whether they believe almost 100 years of combined psych experience or a smarmy cold broad with less than 3 years. Seems like that will be an easy decision.

    Wal-Mart couldn’t find a return for the 3rd gas can. But they didn’t look for a kerosene can. Wal-Mart claims a refund could NOT have been issued without a SKU. But, as the jurors quickly pointed out, Wal-Mart doesn’t deny that a dummy SKU could have been used.

    Tesoro’s Ms. Universe chick Jodi made 3 separate gas 3 purchases. But I don’t recall Jodi ever denying that, so I’m not sure what the point of her testimony was other than perhaps to prove that women can have guns as big as Travis Alexander?

    Deanna is a nice ex-girlfirend of Travis. Since she dated him, she became a teacher, and she inherited Travis’s dog. While dating him, she bought Travis expensive gifts, including a computer. This implies she might have lent him money like every other girlfriend he ever had. He broke up with her while she was away on a mission because he wanted to boink other girls. They got back together a while after she got back from her mission, but she didn’t know if he was still boinking other girls or not. She had sex with him several times, then told him she wasn’t going to do it anymore and told her bishop. Travis told her he also told his bishop too, but there was no proof that he did. Ultimately, she broke up with him when he didn’t marry her and that was “unpardonable”. However, Travis didn’t have “unhealthy communication” with her and didn’t shoot big loads on her face. He also never told her she was a loser for wanting to be a teacher. As Nurmi pointed out, they had a very different relationship from Travis’s later relationships with Lisa and Jodi. Wait, was she a witness for the prosecution or the defense?

    An asshole friend of Travis’s with a bad attitude (whose name I forgot in a heartbeat) saw Travis being affectionate to Jodi on two occasions over the course of 2 years. He shot a video and took a photo of this, however, in the video, Jodi was asleep on Travis’s lap, and when she woke up, Travis just kept on talking, ignoring her. Anyway, asshole friend of Travis didn’t know they were having sex in 2008. Meanwhile, Martinez called Jodi “something blondish whitish on Travis’s lap”. So, I guess that was the entire point of that testimony: to insult Jodi AGAIN.

    Officer Brown, a camera dude, verified that Jodi was a brunette the day before Travis died. Martinez slipped in a photo with a quick contrast of Jodi with blonde streaks to remind us that Jodi used to be a blonde. Wait, didn’t we know that already?

    Officer Melendez came back with his pouty mouth to tell us he didn’t find any porn on Travis’s computer — which is really a computer still in Deanna’s name, that Deanna told us she bought for him, so I’m confused as to why it would have her name on the profile in the first place. Martinez, thinking about porn, got confused on the day the police found Travis’s body.

    Detective Flores came back to tell us that his fat ass conducted an experiment in the closet on the shelves at the same house that used to be Travis’s. Problem is, it’s five years later, and there was no guarantee everything was actually the same as it used to be. Also, he didn’t really do a valid experiment. It was completely shoddy, just like all his work. Meanwhile, the jurors had a few questions for him about guns and the attic. It seemed like, while watching his pudgy butt in court for months, they’ve actually just been waiting for him to get that butt back on the stand to ask a few more questions.

    Finally, Dr. Horn, the ME, came back. Apparently, he shaved his beard especially so he could tell us again that bullet wound came first — and for a chance for Martinez to show some gorey photos yet again. Martinez doesn’t realize that the photos are shocking the first time, but after he jurors have seen them a whole bunch of times, they lose their effect on everyone except Jodi. Then again, maybe that’s who he’s trying to intimidate. During cross, Horn became very defensive and forgot what his prime directive was. He also forgot everything he testified to in January, and what he said at another hearing before that. Could he have also been a witness for the defense undercover?

    And that rapped the highly anticipated rebuttal.

    In the meantime, the next psychologist is getting all sorts of crap thrown at him by the haters, just as Dr. Samuels and Alyce LaViolette did. Jennifer Willmott is getting death threats and threats about Jodi’s life too. Juror No. 8 — known as the notetaker — is now gone for some unknown reason. And we had more side bars and chamber conferences than ever before.

    And that’s what you missed on the Prosecution’s Rebuttal.

    • I just got home from work and cannot access video on my computer so tried to watch some on HLN and why are they so happy? They think this guy did great, why wont they show Jennifers cross, from what you all say on here she did very well, I am sooooo frustrated with them and wish my computer was faster and could watch the video you have on here

      • I didn’t think she did well — I am sure you can find the video on YouTube, but basically Horn showed bullet could not come first. Willmott had him show that throat slash couldn’t have come first either. That leaves stabbing first, because otherwise he couldn’t defend himself.

        On the upside, JM didn’t prove pre-med, so it will probably be okay anyway.

        Oh, and Nurmi laughed during the cross, which is really kind of inappropriate when talking autopsy.

        I find it funny that there is talk of Martinez farting. Nurmi has burped at least twice.

        • Yeah, funny how Flores and Horn once argued that the bullet came first, huh?

          Travis was dead for eight days at the time of autopsy. Horn doesn’t know anything for sure.

        • I think KN was smiling due to the ineptness of the ME and his fumbling about…he had good reason to smile..(didn’t see a laugh)..or massive eye rolling as we have seen from TA’s sister..

          • I would prefer a KN burp to a JM fart anyday..maybe that’s why the bomb sniffing dog was called in…

          • I thought he was smiling because it was funny to him, to see the ME blatantly lying. The ME testimony is also listened to by other ME and doctors. I wonder what they think ( aside from the hired guns HLN has on posing as ME ) LOL

            • I do too. Wonder what other ME/MDs would have testified to. So why didn’t the defense team call an MD or ME of their own??

              • WHy do you think the defense team didn’t call on of their own Spring is here?

        • …and Dr Horn contradicted his testimony three times.

          And he didn’t show that the bullet could not come first. He also said pudding could be sliced, which is just ridiculous.

    • Well done Also Abused 🙂 you did forget to include the total number of hours of evaluation time taken by Dr S and ALV (total 80ish hours?) vs. the 12 hours by JD

      • Damn, you got me Dorothy. I was trying to be brief and I guess the point is:

        Tot Doc: <3 years experience = no PTSD, no abuse at all, BPD.

        Drs. Geffner & Samuels and Alyce LaViolette: almost 100 years combined = PTSD & definite abuse.

        Nuff said right there, I guess.

        • Also Abused,
          I was just pulling your leg 😉 You did a fabulous job of summing up those last witnesses. You are talented…You must be very good at book reports. Could make tons of money writing ACCURATE, brief movie summaries for DirecTV, HBO, etc. Some of their summaries are out in left field.

          • Hahaha OMG I am sooo brevity challenged! Look at any of my posts that go on and on and on.

            But what’s truly funny about Tot Doc for me is that she could have done some damage to the defense case if she’d just left it “no PTSD, no intimate partner abuse”. Her ego was waaaay too big though and she just couldn’t stop when she was ahead. She had to go and diagnose BPD and (because I think it counted in the judge’s decision) bring up other crap she could have left out of it (the ring, the Christmas tree) and, in doing so, she opened up the door for surrebuttal and yet ANOTHER experienced psychologist. Now, the jury will be entering into deliberations with 3 very experienced psych witnesses who will all basically agree … and one very inexperienced psych who only knows what’s in a book.

            To make matters even worse for Juanito boy, Tot Doc brought up Dr. Carp, yet another psych who saw Jodi. Now, the jury don’t know anything about her or her experience level (other than she was called “Dr. Carp” which makes her either a Ph.D. or a medical doctor), but based on what Tot Doc was testifying as to what Dr. Carp said, it became pretty apparent that Dr. Carp also agreed with the other psych witnesses, and that Tot Doc ALSO disagreed with Dr. Carp.

            So, the jury goes to deliberations with 3 psych witnesses and the suggestion of yet another one who all basically agree with one another; who were ALL told about abuse and bought it (meaning Jodi must be ONE HELLUVA liar to fool them all); and one stupid little egotistical smarmy bitch who disagreed with everyone else and graduated yesterday. Think about it. If I’m on the jury, I’m wondering who Dr. Carp is and why I haven’t heard from her. I might assume she must have been the shrink who saw Jodi in jail — since Samuels mentioned she saw one. But I’m seriously wondering why all these other experienced psych witnesses agree and this brat doesn’t. Jodi couldn’t have fooled them ALL (except one little brat straight out of school) and they couldn’t All be mercenary shrills for the defense. That doesn’t make sense. So, what’s likely to be more true than not? That Jodi was abused and suffers from PTSD.

            Juanito boy, you fool! You thought you were doing so well with your cold calculated experience-hungry novice. She only made things worse for your case. Hahahaha

            • AA,

              I enjoyed that wrap up of today’s trial lol. I agree with Dorothy you should write a book and you know what? I’ll buy it too! 😉

            • AA, i’m always amazed by your posts and always enjoy them. indeed, you should write a book. wherever do you store all of this information? you remember everything. and taking the time just to type it all. i’m guessing you are not a one finger typer like me. this post took me 5 mins to type and my pointer/typing finger is throbbing. i love your dedication!

    • Funny how “Dr.” Horne says one minute that he does NOT recall his testimony, and after being called out and his lies quoted, he magically remembered the very next minute that he corrected himself and that he misspoke. I thought he didn’t remember?

      His testimony was, at best, shoddy, and the ONLY way a juror would believe him is if they are extremely gullible or just simply WANT to believe Jodi is guilty.
      I especially love the part where he suggests that you can “slice pudding”.

      That Raggedy-ass mother-fck’r!! Disgusting JM knob slobber!!

    • Thanks for the wrap-up, AA! It pulled a lot together and made me lol at the same time. 😀

    • AA best post of the day!!! Love the reference of JM getting confused with porn!! LMAO!!! He does seem to like to bring it up a lot!! You summed it up perfectly!! 😉

  17. How can they tell in the beginning when the trial will end?
    Isn’t that bs?
    I’ve never seen where a judge dismissed a juror, after telling them basically
    when the trial will end and only a week to go at that.

    If I were on the jury I would be wondering why they had to come back to hear
    LIES from the stae and then rest!!

    I’ll say it again this judge is absolutely biased.

    Who was the judge before her?

  18. Does anyone know if the request by the defense to add a manslaughter charge to the jury instructions was granted? It was mentioned on the Apr.23rd post when the defense filed a motion to call Dr. Geffner as a surrebuttal witness, and I’m not sure if the request was part of the same motion.

      • if it was him he is there to show jodi that he means business about hurting her family

        • He seems like such a hate filled person…..I wouldn’t doubt intimidation was a reason for him being there.

          • He was probably all upset about Tanisha getting banned from chambers conferences. That wasn’t in the script!

          • Travis’s brother tries to look so mad.
            He looks more like an abusive person to me.
            And the shorter sister isa policewoman????

        • I agree Tonya F him an Dave Hall both. They both are for intimidation.

          Why did Jodi have a 9mm? because she was scared of someone out there.
          Not because of a camping trip. A young lady like that does not just go buy
          a gun like that for camping. It was for protection.

          I pray to God if she does get out soon she will leave that state an those
          Mormon’s. Like Chris said if people understand the Mormon Theology then
          they would know Travis did go to heaven not to hell. Why the hell would he
          make such a statement? because of the Ritual Slashes an Stabs that is why.

          Premarital Sex in that Faith is just as bad as MURDER get it ?

          • …remember that ATV (camping?) trip where that other woman who was a passenger got impaled on a tree…

    • Just incase I haven’t mentioned it before, Fck Chris Hughes and his ugly-ass wife!!

        • Fu*k the Hughes!! Hatred is written all over both their faces! Cult,pyramid scheme business leaders,brainwashing and abusing people,playing around with feelings and throw people away like garbage when they are no longer needed to serve their evil games.To me,they are nothing more than robots set in the ”make money at any cost” mode.They have no heart.

      • I almost feel sorry for the wife. She’s just another victim of those weirdos in that LDS/PPL cult. (I don’t mean to imply LDS people are in a cult, by the way. Just that subset of LDS who are in PPL.)

        • I do NOT feel sorry for Skye, that lying bitch would like to kill Jodi personally.

          They BOTH are fucking lunatic assholes!!

          👿

          • I think if we could extract her from her shithead husband, she might be a completely different person. Remember, she’s the one who asked Nurmi was Travis’s age of preference was because she knew it was bad, but not quite that bad. And she also told Travis she wouldn’t let him date her sister. Sky’s biggest problem is really her husband. He may well beat the crap out of her, and he probably cheats too. That’s why Travis was his hero.

            • AA, can you tell me the story about when she asked Nurmi that q? While she was testifying I’m guessing? I have missed a lot of the early stuff & too lazy to go back & watch.

            • I have thought of this too, but she seems all too happy to beat the drum of the Travis Taliban.

              IMO that is why Travis is such a hero to the haters too.

          • Renee’ (HRS), AMEN to THAT! I can vividly recall when she was on the stand (w/o the jury there) and the look of vengeance on her face and what she said when asked re: helping the prosecution. OMG I could FEEL her pure and vile hatred! It emanated from her!

            • Seriously you are so right her face that Skye was so twisted an EVIL
              as she glared at Jodi on the stand an smiled so slyly sneaky an mean
              is all I could think of when she was speaking.

              • She looked like a desert lizard. And she has about 30 more teeth than the average human. She’s really creepy looking.

          • I agree I don’t feel sorry for her either. Chris was not there when she cussed
            out Jodi for 10 or 15 mins about why she did not like her or want her in her
            home anymore. She is a evil WITCH.

            The funny thing is after that the other woman friend even stated it was
            strange Jodi just sat there in a daze for 10 or 15 mins while she made
            macaroni an cheese for the kids. She said she would have been so
            embarrassed she would have left right away. Which proves under a strong
            confrontation JODI did freeze up! did go silent.

            NAIVE people they all are ! contradict heir own damn words everywhere all the
            time even in the BOOK OF MORMON so that is all they know in life is
            contradictions ! that would DRIVE any SANE PERSON crazy I would think !

            Think of it this way you would have to carry around a tape recorder so you could
            prove all the time what the person just said because they just turned it all around
            on you when explaining it to the next person. I could not deal with those in Mesa
            Arizona. But you could break them of it by RECORDINGS!

          • Absolutely agree Renee! NO I dont feel sorry for Skye(get a real name,girl by the way!!).She was the one to pretend to be Jodi’s ally and then back stabbed her.Or if this sounds too harsh,well she didnt protect or defend her either,didnt she?She sent TA an e-mail?Oh,ok…She knew so many dirty sectrets of TA ‘s character and life-if she cared about Jodi even a bit,she would have done something to change her precious friends treatment towards his girlfriends.And wait a minute…Wasnt Skye the one who YELLED at Jodi for 15 fucking minutes,humiliating and kicking her out of her house?Who does that?Primitive,neanderthals yes!10 year-olds,maybe!But adult,married women,who are supposed to be all for religion and ”Love Thy Neighbour” crap arent supposed to act this way.Anger management ,hello?
            And Jodi shocked as she was couldnt even move but had to weep in the bitch’s kitchen?????Not to mention the OCEAN OF LIES after Jodi’s arrest and throughout the trial.No,sorry.No compassion for Mrs Hughes.Or her husband(Im not gonna list his wrongdoings concerning this case.I refuse to lower myself to that degree)

            • I agree, too. Just thinking how ANY bitch could just yell at someone and humiliate them like that just pisses me off; and then the hypocrisy of “i’m all religious so i’m better” and shit. Any DECENT person would have taken her aside and had a heart-to-heart with her. And the odd thing is – none of those assholes has ever said WHY skybitch did that. (sorry for the cut-loose lingo today, but these people make me soooo mad.)

              • I agree with you too Cindy P these people that claim they are Christians
                are not very Christian like in their manners. An as far as that goes I truly
                think that is why the hatred is so bad in this case. They believe in that Faith
                that the premarital sex is right up there with murder? WTH that is not even
                close in my mind 2 different things totally to me.

                A true Christian knows you can be forgiven for your sins. I do not think it
                is a sin to protect yourself an a killing happens. But they proclaim it is cold
                blooded murder an that is nothing but FALSE to me.

                In that Churches Faith what they did before (sex) the actual death was just as
                bad in God’s eyes as Jodi having to kill Travis to stay alive that is bull
                crap to me.

                • thats what i have never gotten, as christians you would not do the things this mob has done. We have had the opportunity her to explain our views without hatred. spilling vile puke and trying to assinate Jodi as the Hughes, the joker friends on tv, the looks of anger, hate and rage from ta family and cyberbulling to purposely destroy someones reputation. God, watches them and their actions too. Deploreable.

            • Skye was probably screwing or had screwed Travis. That’s probably the real reason for the rant.

              • Remember when Travis wanted a threesome??
                I wonder who it was.
                Jodi didn’t want it, but evidently Travis had someone in mind OR had discussed it with someone, so they would know.
                Hell he may have had a threesome before. Who Knows?.

      • I agree with that ! people want to talk about TRASH ! these running their mouths
        an wanting to burn Jodi at the stake are nothing but Trash in my eyes.

        An I still find it very strange all the cuts an slashes an stabs are so close to
        the Blood Atonement Ritual with a few others to cover it up.

        No one will ever make me believe that the room was not disturbed for almost
        6 full days. Wed Thurs Fri Sat Sun an Mon at 10 pm ! NO WAY !

        Plenty of time to make sure Travis went to heaven with a ritual plenty of time
        to check the attic an dispose of any photo’s plenty of time too dispose of anything
        that would make him less of a Saint in the Church’s eyes.

        No one ever said a word about the shoe print ? no one tested those tassels for
        it was not from the pillows but from a decorative rope? No photo’s of fingerprints
        or dust prints in the attic?

        Flores is LDS an a RAT looking for the easy way out. People in that area know more
        then what was presented in this case.

        • Rhonda! Yeah! What IS with that shoe print anyway? Why wasn’t THAT ever addressed? SO many questions have not been asked…The investigation was shoddy IMO, the autopsy was done by a dolt, etc. Too much fishy behavior if you ask me.

          • I have been thinking ‘conspiracy’ from probably the second week I started watching this trial and reading about it as well as the LDS and more. I hope that, in the future, perhaps the real truth will come out that answers all these questions. And I believe the reason the questions aren’t answered now is that the ONLY logical explanations would be if somebody besides Jodi and TA were there.

            P.S. I would like to see Rhonda from AL as a guest speaker on hln! 😀 Rhonda, I believe you would take them down!

            • When I watched HLN I did try to call in several times but they
              never let me in there.

              So now I hit them up on twitter some but still it is over populated
              with Travis Supporters. There are too many things just left up in
              the air in this case?

              If you have anything against the prosecutor you are not heard it
              feels like?

              I keep the FAITH that a few Jurors have big doubts in this whole
              case an can hold their ground during the deliberation due to I am
              sure there are a few Mormon/LDS in there from the Book Of Mormon
              questions asked earlier to Jodi.

              • I caught the mormon questions, too. And Rhonda – YOU GO GIRL! 😀 Keep trying to get in on hln, you would be exciting to watch while you put them in their place (well until they hung up on you!) lol

              • Rhonda. I totally agree w/some kind of mormon conspiracy with this case! Just sad to think that the Defense team didn’t explore this more. I thought Nurmi was finally gonna go there with TA ex-girlfriend during PR but just wasn’t able to legally. Kinda weird that all of these ex-girlfriends seem to have the same disposition or something similar to one another I just can’t quite put my finger on it. The one that came out of hiding today; Linda said “they were starting to break-up but still dating off & on” This is same story every1 of these girls have’ She said they talked about marriage in Jan, 02′ & he bought eng. ring but she decided he wasn’t the man for her snd broke it off a month later. All of a sudden he isn’t the right one, all of a sudden she is too young, all of a sudden she didn’t like the PPL lifestyle. Bullshyt he did something!!!

                • Ronni, I am glad that I am not the only one to be struck by the similarity in the disposition of all the TA ex’s. It is weird, and something feels off, when I see and/or hear them. The ‘Stepford Wives’ all chanting the same words, lines, script – smile the same, speak in the same tone, same speed, sorta child-like, yet, they ALL ran away from him at some juncture in that relationship. Not JA – she looked, acted, and carried herself differently. Prettier, brighter, more independent, yet she was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, take ALL his deviancy in stride and stay put, until almost the end. Those others seem brainwashed – The Manchurian Candidates!!

          • The shoe thing bugs me too, Flores didn’t know Jodi’s shoe size when he was asked by the jury, also Travis apparently wasn’t found for 5 days, the blood would have been dried by then therefore it wouldn’t have left a red shoe print.

    • Ya he sticks out with that BIG FAT BALD HEAD sitting on those little shoulders he disgusts me.
      Snake Oil Salesmen are run out of my town lol

  20. his name chris hughes was brought up in court yesterday and judge stopped that quick I wish more could have been brought up about him and sky they are the ones that started all this in the first place along with the rest of the kkk travis clan

  21. how can jodi fight the hughes and the kkk clan and not have something happen to her family and friends they already put an end to ashley reed from coming forward. Her defence cant even help if the judge is in on it too

    • exactly my thoughts tonya…I wouldn’t put it past them. look at how this whole trial has been corrupted, and now the death threats towards the defense. To me, this definitely looks like someone on the prosecution side isn’t liking the way the trial is going. Which is good for the defense, if we can just get them through it unharmed.
      I still wish the Attorney General would step in and put a stop to this. But since that bombing in Boston, they have bigger fish to fry.

  22. Thank you AA…….I I think we all needed that.
    I’m hoping with these days off that things will calm down a bit. I pray for that.

  23. Ok, so lets us take a guess at WHY Martinez changed the bullet from being first to being last, AFTER Jodi changed her plea from not guilty (the intruders story), to self defense?

    Why and what is he really saying happened? Is he insinuating that she started stabbing TA in the shower (even though we didn’t see her holding a knife in TA eyeball) and that she took that HUGE RISK, fighting a man twice as big with a knife (no way in hell she would’ve won that fight), but ok, she kept stabbing and stabbing, then she slit his throat at the end of the hallway, drags him back to the shower and THEN SHE SHOOTS HIM???? Is that Martinez story NOW???

    What was his story before?

    • He needs that gun shot to come last to add the element of cruelty and get her put to death. I believe he means for people to think she shot him even though he was dead.

      • I agree Renee. Horn’s script was to say that (a) the vena cava wound would ultimately be fatal, but he’d bleed out for a while; and (b) the throat slash would have been fatal in a shorter amount of time, but not instantaneously. Either way, his brain would still be functional for at least a few moments. So, Jodi had to find a third way to kill his brain faster and the gunshot from that “oh so powerful” 25 caliber gun liquefied his brain and obliterated its function. Bam! Aggravating factor: cruelty!

          • Right, because he contradicted his own testimony that he did not call the brain “liquefied” when he actually did. That was once out of three times he impeached his own testimony.

            What AA is referring to is when Dr Horn claims that the bullet entered the brain and cause enough damage to immediately incapacitate him (she can correct me if I’m wrong though).

            Most people here aren’t buying it, because the bullet entered above the eyebrow and lodged in the cheek, so it is doubtful it even hit the brain let alone caused enough damage to incapacitate him.

      • It may sound creepy, but once someone is dead or unconscious, any extra inflicting of wounds is just desecration, not cruelty.

    • I’m not sure what his story was before, but apparently now Jodi is a natural-born lethal assassin!

    • I think he needs to gun to come last to show that Jodi’s story of events is a complete lie. According to Jodi she remembers having the gun, it going off and can’t remember much after and doesn’t remember the stabbing at all.

      • I thought it was ‘funny’ how JM really got into the details of order of events from Jodi’s point of view. It seemed to me that no matter what she said, JM wanted to remember then get the ME back to say it was a different way. That, along with the gas cans, is really all he has to show why he thinks Jodi lied.

  24. So has there been any confirmation at all about the bomb sniffing dog stuff…just curious. How weird is that, as soon as a juror is dismissed, and the prosecution witness perjures his own testimony, they call it for the day, and then the dogs come in….
    just saying, not to be a conspiracy theorist, but sure seems a bit peculiar….

    • Melvis,
      I hear the juror hadn’t been there at all today. The judge just failed to announce it at the beginning. I don’t think the dog had anything to do with that…but I could be wrong

      • oh ok Dorothy, thanks for clearing up the juror thing. I had heard at first he wasn’t there, then heard he was there, and had actually put the questions in the basket for the doctor.
        There had been some comments about him winking at Jodi, and that’s why he was dismissed.
        Thanks again!

        • I’m not sure where you’re getting the info about the juror not being there all day but my friend was in court today & she says he was there all day & may have asked some of the juror questions. She says the dog came in before the juror was released. The word around the courthouse was that the dog was just routine & is there everyday to do a sweep of the entire courthouse but today the dog was behind schedule. Maybe the dog heard that court never starts on time so didn’t set it’s alarm.

          • that’s what I heard too, so I was confused….I mean the juror being there. About the dog thing, I hadn’t heard that, so thanks for clearing everything up.
            So I didn’t hear any juror questions for the doctor, so what happened, did they pull them since he was dismissed. Too bad, I would of liked to have heard what it was…

            • The juror questions were read before he was excused so if he submitted any they were asked & answered. I don’t think they have any way of knowing which juror is asking which questions.

    • Melvis, it certainly is peculiar.
      There are so many misconducts from JM already, from trying to distort the defense witnesses’ testimonies, to trying to confuse the jurors with lies, to coaching his witnesses to lie and perjure themselves, to releasing info to the media and lying about it, to influencing the judge’s decisions, that nothing would surprise me like being behind jury, witness or trial sessions tampering as well.

  25. ok, don’t yell at me 😉 i seem to be having a brain fart. i have watched the trial as much as i can and read as much and sometimes i completely forget who is who and why are they in the picture. this chris hughes guy..whats up with him..i read dick heads police report and he is mentioned once..what did i miss? oh, and whats up with ashley reed? i cant wait to hear the closing arguments next week!! how long do they last? a day? an hour? 2 days? thanks for not yelling :)) btw, i love this page <3

    • Chris Hughes is a rat bastard. Travis’ supposed best friend in the world. Skye is his slutty wife, who is also a lying bitch.

      Ashley Reed committed “suicide” 3 months after filing a restraining order against someone.

    • Dickhead has the info about Ashley Reed Thompson in his report as well. She called in an “anonymous” tip that the police should look at her husband (separated from) Dustin Thompson. When she was asked about the tip and she realized the tip-line isn’t REALLY anonymous she back-peddled on her tip. He was never questioned as far as I can tell.
      Court records show Ashley filed a restraining order against Dustin ( he might have filed one as well in response, I’m not clear on that, but want to be factual).
      The rest as Renee’ stated was her “suicide” which is highly suspicious, and it doesn’t help that the Medical Examiner who called her “suicide” is currently under investigation for a shoddy autopsy in which he concluded a police officer’s death was a suicide.
      Another unconfirmed (by me, but may have been confirmed from the original source) tid-bit of info is that the police officer was the one who was called to the scene of Ashley Thompson Reed’s death.

            • You know, I’d sure like to see how many officers on the Mesa/Phoenix PD are LDS…..it seems to me they are very heavily populated in that area.
              I’ve always been curious as to this Ashley Reed thing, I’m sure we will never know the whole truth about it. But it would make for some good investigative stuff wouldn’t it….no one will convince me that there isn’t something that goes way deeper with all that. Maybe we can get Jesse Ventura to do a conspiracy theory show on that someday…

              • I just saw a documentary about a woman who was able to get away from the LDS. BUT when she was a child of 12, her father raped her and when she tried to run away, family members told her that it was her fault for being troublesome. When she was older she ran again but police took her back. Anyway, she is out now, and runs (or helps run) “Save the Child Brides.”

                I know many will say “well that’s the FLDS” not the “real’ LDS church… but at the end of the documentary they (those that got away from the church and helpers) talk about whole areas in AZ and UT are so influenced by the mormons that laws DO go their way. They have a lot of money in business (and we all know money talks in politics and the judicial system) and they said like 3/4 of the people are mormons. If you try to shake up the system, you will not work again in that area and you will be shunned by everyone. I would LOVE to see a lot more exposure on this – somebody please contact Jesse Ventura b/c I believe he would do a great job on this.

                • Yes an I found it very strange that Travis had a photo standing right
                  beside the SIGN at COLORADO CITY like he was so proud an thought
                  that was COOL ! Disgusting to me. That is where that nasty ass Jeff
                  something was from FDLS that was married to a 12 year old. An now in
                  PRISON! that is not town sign you are PROUD to stand by for a photo
                  unless you truly think that MESSING WITH 12 year olds is just NORMAL!

                • Apparently Travis DOES think having sex with 12yr old girls is cool, “you sound like a 12yr old girl having her first orgasm… so hot”. Fucking disgusting!!!

      • Kmiller,

        Oh Wow, good God! …. if that unconfirmed tid bit is true? I’m speechless.

        • It is totally true. And confirmed. Ashley’s autopsy report is on this site. Go to Maricopa family court docs, and you can see the protective order thing is true. Look through the Florres report (on this site) and see that the story of her calling reporting her husband is true.

          She also left a message for Travis on his MySpace page regarding “rear naked choke holds” and sodomy in the Mormon church, and not to violate the terms of probation.

          All proved true.

      • Kmiller, do you know the name of the police officer who was called in to work on the AR ‘suicide’. By any chance, were the same staff working on THIS case?

        I am not getting what you meant by ‘unconfirmed tidbit on a police off being called in after AR’s suicide’? Why is that fact significant? Thanks. <3. ( Brain is shutting down).

        • Holy ***!! I get it!WOW! The very same PC whose med rept was ‘ blotched'(right!) Was the VERY one who was the PC that came to the scene of AR’s ‘suicide’!

          I don’t get why no big-shot lawyer took on this case pro-bono – for CA they were all falling over themselves to be part of it. Can the DT accept outside assistance from more knowledgeable def atty’s?

  26. There’s no way the jury will be fooled by Horn’s ‘altered’ testimony. I was furious while watching this, because I distinctly remember during his first testimony he said the gunshot would NOT have rendered Travis unconscious and incapacitaed. And now he’s saying the opposite. It’s obvious that he has been coached by Martinez. You don’t have to be an Einstein to notice this glaring inconsistency. And for the 100x time, the timeline of events that the prosecution is suggesting doesn’t make any sense. Did Jodi really fire the gun at the end … just for the hell of it? Ridiculous. TA was physically threatening her and she had to subdue him with the gun first.

    • When I first heard he was a rebuttal witness, I figured he must be changing his testimony. So I guess he was called to rebut his own testimony. If that was not so unethical, it would be laughable.

  27. AND she gave him a really deep wedgie plus she rubbed his noggin with her knuckles really HARD after daring him to knock a battery off her shoulder! I don’t know about anyone else I wouldn’t instigate someone much bigger who was already attacking me!! Any moves I made after injuring that person would be self-preservation. The State’s theory is so ludicrous!!!

      • She probably also rode thru the streets of Arizona with his corpse aka Weekend at Bernie’s. I don’t mean to sound crass but all the BULLSHIT makes me that way!!

        • The state’s theory is just as ludicrous. They say she killed him and then for some unknown reason drags him down the hall to the bedroom carpet, slits his throat, and then spins him around and drags him back down the hall to the bathroom to shower him.

        • Oh but you have to know that turned her on, right? Just read any of the hater sites. After all, her eyes are dead and her tears are fake and she’s a psychopathic sex addict and she was planning his murder since 2005 before she even met him. So, come on, a little sex after death? They’ve accused her of everything else, so why not this one too?

        • Now joujou, you know she made that up. You know that you can’t get pregnant if a guy ejaculates in your anus, right? 😀

          I guess no one even told these folks the facts of life since they post that FACT all day long.

          Okay, I’m a generous person. I’ll help them out here. I went to a convent school in Ireland. I understand. After the nun who taught us about how babies are made during biology class, I thought you got pregnant if a guy coughed and it went anywhere near your cough. That’s what she said. If a guy [cough] in a girl’s [cough], a baby can be conceived. I kid you not! No wonder the Irish have big families. LOL

          So, here goes folks. Sex Ed 101: Sperm are great little swimmers! Ejaculation anywhere between your knees and your belly button is fair game for those little suckers to go for a swim all the way up into your vagina and make a little baby. Now, the last time I looked, my anus wasn’t very far from my vagina, and it was within that region I just described. But, you haters may well have different anatomical structures. I mean, you definitely have very different brains so … anything’s possible. Maybe YOU folks actually CAN’T get pregnant from anal sex.

          • Also –
            I have heard that “it” can drip from the anus to the vagina.
            9 months later you gotta baby, a butt baby I suppose?

            😀

            My sarcasm is bad tonight…

    • Yea its scary, poor JW and ALV. They must be terrified!!!!
      I wonder if this has anything to do with the way JW has been performing lately?

      • No, no. I am referring to the video that accompanies the article. Watch the news video about Jodi’s artwork.

          • Maybe it does not show up for you. On my iPad, to the left of the article is a news video. I just went back to the link to make sure it was still there and I see that above the news video you can select “video” or photo. So when I clicked on photo, it changes to a pic of JW and JA. I just cannot believe that with the seriousness of a death threat that the video they are showing is about the TA fan club’s interpretation of JA’s artwork! More great news reporting. I swear all the news stations pattern themselves after HLN.

            • D, I cant play it on my pad either. Is it the accusation that Jodi is torturing the family by drawing TA ugly sister???? Plz! I wish they’d get over it, its NOT her ugly ass! Who the hell would buy it if it was?!

    • Jodi would never useTanisha as an inspiration.You know why?Because Jodi has never met her yet she has a profound respect and feels the pain of that family;I remember when she was interviewed by Fauna she talked about his family and what they must be going through.Jodi is a remorseful person,a kind-hearted person.Although the Alexanders have every right in the world to hate Jodi’s guts I think Jodi(just like ALV who got into trouble for talking to Samantha)would give anything in her power to take away their pain.Coz that’s how good of a person she is.
      And on a brighter note,no Jodi would never use Tanisha’s face.All artists are creatures who like aesthetically pleasing stimuli to inspire them.Skeletor’s face is what you’d show to your 3 year-old to scare them so they’d eat up their dinner,LOL!

      • omg…lol….that reminds me of my daughter around that age. We went to a grocery store, and this little old lady was giving out samples. She had alot of wrinkles, and a crooked nose, so quite scary.
        As she hands my daughter a sample, my baby starts screaming, ” Witch Witch!!! ” I was so mortified, and bless that little old ladies heart, she just smiled and said, ” oh no honey, I’m just old! ”
        We both had a good laugh about it, but your so right about Skeletor…very scary indeed!

      • IMO, That face she painted looks like a lot of women I see Nicole Kidman, Jenifer Anison and Duchess Kate Middleton and none of them look like a Tanisha nor do they look like each other. THe face has common features such as the lips, eyes and cheekbones. Art is subjective in my opinion. In one shot, Tanisha’s face was tilted the same way. If she looked straight it doesn’t look like her. Same with the other… 🙂

  29. We learned that the orgasm the Mexican dung beetle was trying to make everybody believe he was having over being thrilled suggesting that Matt McCartney had turned on Jodi and would be testifying against her, was a boatload of manure. Boy the Travisoids are not happy about that one.

    The notes in the magazines….nothing. Dropped like a hot rock.

    Do you think that is not going to occur to some of those very astute twelve people who were anticipating that?

    Then mysteriously Sky Hughes doesn’t testify and say how scurrilous it was to suggest that she would say anything negative about Mr. Mother Theresa. The emails alone nail her to the cross which came in through LaViollette. Do you think some aren’t going to be wondering why no one is refuting that?

    Not only did she say she wouldn’t let her daughter date him but she was tapped for a $4,000 loan from the same giggolo who Jodi had to loan money to.

    I’m almost positive some of those jurors also tried their own shelf demonstrations at home and found it could be done quite easily. There is so much spaghetti on the wall that Martinez has flung, it looks like an Italian restaurant exploded.

    The jurors also were under no restriction of their oath not to learn about the Debra Milke conviction–that she was scheduled to be executed and was tried by the same vermin that are trying this case….and why it was overturned after 22 years……Perjured testimony by a detective just like Flores. He’s already shown to have changed his story three times in this courtroom. She would have already been dead except for a last minute stay for her to exhaust her appeals.

    Don’t think that isn’t going to be going through somebody’s mind too. All the square pegs being forced into round holes here are going to accrue to Jodi’s benefit strictly because the rules for deliberation based only on every element of the charge proven BEYOND a reasonable doubt must be the standard.

    • Yes, very good points Jade! Sky got away with not having to testify but it was better that her words came in through ALV. Crazy how then she got those death threats. The investigation that is in process should take a look at the Hughes!

    • And I can hardly wait for closing arguments!!! It will be a barn burner!!
      The defense team has this prosecution team, and its ridiculous theories right where they want them. Unless this jury has been so tainted to believe that anything the prosecution says is gospel, they can not find her guilty of premed murder 1. No way, no how….and that may be why some of the jurors are falling off like flies now. They know she’s going to get acquitted, and they don’t want to be around for fear of retaliation.
      Just saying, IMO

    • And let’s hope at least one juror or a juror’s friend/family member has dyed their hair blonde or had blonde hair and tried to dye it dark brown.

      Also, let’s hope at least one juror has gone to or knows someone who went to a shrink and was given a book to read by that “unethical” shrink.

      Finally, let’s hope someone they know returned something to Wal-Mart or K-Mart or any other kind of store without a receipt and got cash back from a lazy cashier.

  30. (moved from prior page, sorry, i didn’t realize the new page had been posted)

    So, basically the case has been argued. We have one day of testimony left, but that is to refute the DR.D testimony with a defense witness. Since we already don’t believe DR.D, the testimony will mean nothing to us here, it will not change our opinion. Therefore the arguments, as far as info for us to debate, is finished.

    Now that OUR case is over…let’s talk:

    To start, before the trial began, the defendant was innocent of Murder 1 and Pre-meditated murder. (Innocent until proven guilty)

    Then evidence came in, during trial, to attempt to prove the state’s case for M1 and PM. (and possibly added lesser offenses of Murder 2 and manslaughter)

    I know this will be hard for some, but let’s debate the evidence. (Just like there are people blind to the evidence that says she is guilt, we also have people here that will ignore the evidence and simply say she is innocent) I am asking for truly open minded thinking. No prejudices.

    Has the state proved beyond a reasonable doubt that this was M1 or PM?

    I am going to hold my opinion and reasoning until later.

    if we could try and keep this in some sort of format that everyone can understand, that would be great. I would suggest:

    Evidence that leads to PM: (Facts that PROVE PM)
    1)
    2)
    3…

    Evidence that leads to M1: (Facts that PROVE M1)
    1)
    2)
    3….

    Evidence that leads to Acquittal: (Facts that PROVE self-defense)
    1)
    2)
    3…….

    LETS TAKE FOR GRANTED THAT THE LESSER CHARGES ARE INCLUDED…

    Evidence that leads Murder 2:
    1)
    2)
    3…..

    Evidence that leads to Manslaughter:
    1) She has admitted that she didn’t mean to kill him, but that she did in fact cause his death. (Obvious evidence, so I added this to start)
    2)
    3…..

    Please keep in mind, and even though I WHOLE HEARTADLY DISAGREE WITH THIS, the state of AZ does count Circumstantial evidence the same as primary evidence. So please feel free to add evidence that is circumstantial, as the jury will be instructed to do the same we deliberating.

    • Sirlips youd be a great juror!!! I hope there is at least ONE juror in this case thinking the way your thinking. That’d be such a good idea if one of them would sit down with something like you’ve done here.

    • I am entirely biased due to my intense rage and hatred towards Kermit.

      Even, putting that aside, I cannot come up with one single thing to put in any of those upper sections. I am not even 100% Jodi did any of it.

      I have reasonable doubt leaking from my eyeballs

      😯

    • lets keep in mind that Jodi does not have to prove anything not even that it was self defense, so starting there has the prosecute proved that it wasn’t self defense, not in my mind. 1) gas can theory means nothing. 2) rental car exchange means nothing. 3 gun therory not proven was grandfathers. has prosecution put any heard evidence in that disproves self defense NO based on that she should be freed.

      realistically i believe there will be a compromise and they will find her guilty of manslaughter 1 or 2

      • Actually since she has admitted to killing Travis….her story and claim of self defense has to be believed by the jury. What is worrisome are the little lies the prosecution has shown she told while on the stand…which the judge will tell them them they can choose to disregard any or all of her testimony.

        If the jury disregards her testimony….does that mean they will have no choice but to believe the prosecutions version of events??

        • But have they proven she lied on the stand beyond a reasonable doubt? Human error was brought up as well as everyone, pro pros and pro defense have said walmart messes up including Jean C who said they gave her cash back on a credit many times when they weren’t suppose too. ABout the hair stuff, I don’t know about that because that would require every member of the jury to believe that the cops ie flores didn’t make any ‘mistakes’ like the doozy that was made with regard to the sequencing. Funny how Martinez brought in these photos during rebut when it would have been more powerful to do it during his case in the beginning? ALso, many people have come through here frustrated in earnest because they are IT people and say that times can be manipulated. Many someone on the jury knows that too which would cause that person to wonder why the IT state’s expert would presume know one would know that and lie.

          If the jury disregards her all her testimony, which i dont think all will agree to do, then the outlook would not be good. But I don’t think there is much of a shot that every member will agree to that. I think they will agree to disregard the parts where they know she lied. I don’t think they will disregard the testimony of abuse because AL did make points through the emails, texts etc that she could have been abused to at least a few jurors. Juror 8 left who supposedly was the one who wrote a lot of the questions and was always taking notes. They say that’s a win for the defense. I think there is a possibility that collectively they may deliberate it down to 2nd degree. Beyond that I can’t be sure until jury instructions are read.

          If the jury

          • Actually it was Mr Martinez who wanted juror no 8 removed…so I am not so confident it is a win for the defense.

            Jurors don’t like to be lied to.. Jodi said she was telling the truth on the stand….they know she changed story twice before. I hate to admit it, but he proved she lied about returning the gas can…human error is a slim possibility, but since they had the Tesoro chick on there too.. Te two together say she did not return the gas can.

            Remember reasonable doubt does not mean any doubt.

            I read somewhere this means JM impeached Jodi as a witness, so I looked up and read about it, amd they could just conclude we can’t believe anything she says. If they don’t believe Jodi, I’m very worried about the verdict.

            • Human error is more than a slim possibility and Martinez did not PROVE that Jodi was lying. Proof would be him pulling the store surveillance cameras and making the jury watch the footage all day to show that Jodi never came in to return the gas can.

              • Right Kira?
                If Martinez had proved Jodi lied about the return, wouldnt the Judge have told the Jury to disregard her testimony at that point?

                Dont let the brain bugs get to you Sully – they’re full of shit stories.

                • I read that Beth Karas explained the importance of the gas cans is because Jodi said she did not need to use them after all. SInce she refilled them in SLC, she has been proven to lie about them. I am not sure if she said she did not use the gas in the cans. Does anyone remember?

        • actually the prosecute has tried to show she lied about some things but has not proved any of them , but with that in mind then judge should tell jury to disregard the ME’s testimony because he clearly lied about what he told detective, and about what he testified to in January

          • They will be given the same instructions for all witnesses.

            They can’t get him for,lying when he says he misspoke…AVL said that a few times as well. It happens…this isn’t his only case.

    • I’ve been kinda trying to do this tonight actually before I saw your post. I really wanted to see what he proved from his opening statements, but I didn’t see them live and wouldn’t remember back that far anyway. Thing is, I can’t find a full video/audio or transcript of JM’s opening statement. I found a video that started a couple of minutes before he ended. I found some really bad video that started almost at the beginning, but it’s too short videos someone shot with their phone from their TV. I found several audios that start 15 minutes in. And I found some tweets that seem to leave out a lot of the details. I’ve sort of transcribed what I have, but it’s far from complete.

      I don’t suppose our dear friend Geebee got the opening statements and transcribed them?

      • But, you know what, I’ll give it a shot from what I’ve got that JM opened with.

        Evidence that leads to PM: (Facts that PROVE PM)

        1) Jodi staged a burglary of her grandparents’ house in order to steal the gun she intended to kill Travis with. Huh? Couldn’t she just have taken the gun and brought it back? Or, asked to borrow it for her trip? Or, bought her own gun? Not proven.

        2) Jodi rented a car in Redding, but lived in Yreka. She rented it with her own credit card, not cash, and under her own name. This proves nothing. She rented the car for a “local” trip, but the mileage showed a long trip.

        3) Jodi asked for a white car not the red car offered. This made her less visible. Huh? When I lived in FL, which has a hot climate year round, I saw red and white and yellow and all sorts of colours of cars. What’s the point?

        4) Jodi dyed her hair along the way (in a hair salon or somewhere else?). The car rental agent said she was blonde when she rented the car. The purpose of this was so that no one would recognize her if they happened to see her coming or going. JM proved that Jodi took pictures of herself with brown hair in the car. He didn’t come close to proving anything else on this.

        5) Jodi turned her plates upside down and/or removed and replaced them so she wouldn’t be conspicuous. If true, this one backfired because a cop pulled her over for having upside down plates. Jodi said kids did it. At best, I’ll give JM a circumstantial maybe on this one.

        6) Jodi turned off her phone while in AZ. Jodi said her phone died and she couldn’t find the charger. Again, a circumstantial maybe.

        7) Jodi borrowed and bought gas cans in CA so she wouldn’t have to buy any in AZ and be traceable. Fishy, because she could have bought all of the above with cash and there’d be NO trace of it whatsoever. Not proven. However, JM did sorta kinda lean towards proving she may have lied on the stand about gas can #3 being returned. I think one juror doubted it though. Hopefully, that wasn’t Juror #8.

        8) Jodi arrived in the wee hours of the night. Actually, it was the wee hours of the morning, not long before his roommates got up. And she stayed for hours on end with her car parked outside. Not proven.

        Not really introduced, but possible motive: Jodi was jealous he was taking Mimi to Cancun, not her. The state doesn’t need to prove motive, but it helps. But Jodi knew she wasn’t going to Cancun and that was on the phone sex tape. If she didn’t want any other woman to have him, then why did she move away in April?

        In general, if Jodi premeditated the murder, why didn’t she do a better job of it? She is a smart girl. She could have hid a lot more stuff by paying cash. Also, why didn’t she offer to fulfill his fantasy and take him out in the woods and kill him there? Why in his own house? She couldn’t have known it would be 5 days before anyone found him. If she wanted that to happen, why not plan her trip a few days later, so it would be assumed he WAS in Cancun?

        I just don’t see premeditation at all here. It’s a bunch of circumstantial possibilities thrown together, but it seems stupid to me. And there’s a lot of reasonable doubt. Assuming I believed in the death penalty, I couldn’t put her to death for this.

        • Evidence that leads to M1: (Facts that PROVE M1)

          See above. Murder in the first degree requires premeditation. They are one and the same.

          Evidence that leads to Acquittal: (Facts that PROVE self-defense)

          First of all, remember that this is self-defense as a victim of domestic violence — not just run of the mill self-defense, and there is a distinction there. AZ has defined that “a fact
          finder must consider any history of domestic violence in determining whether a defendant reasonably believed the victim’s statements were a threat amounting to more than mere verbal
          provocation.” http://azcourts.gov/Portals/89/opinionfiles/CR/Cr020222.pdf

          Let’s read what the jury instruction should be (per that opinion):

          A defendant is justified in using or threatening physical force in self-defense if the following two conditions existed:

          No. 1. A reasonable person in the defendant’s situation would have believed that physical force was immediately necessary to protect against another’s use or attempted use of unlawful physical force; and

          No. 2. The defendant used or threatened no more physical force than would have appeared necessary to a reasonable person in the defendant’s situation. The threat or use of physical force against another is not justified in response to verbal provocation alone.

          A person is justified in threatening or using deadly physical force against another if:

          No. 1. If such person would be justified in threatening or using physical force against the other as described above, and

          No. 2. When and to the degree a reasonable person would believe that deadly physical force is immediately necessary to protect herself against the other’s use or attempted use of unlawful deadly physical force.

          “Deadly physical force” means either:

          No. 1. Force which is used with the purpose of causing death or serious physical injury, or

          No. 2. Force which in the manner of its use is capable of creating a substantial risk of causing death or serious physical injury.

          Self-defense justifies the use or threat of physical force only while the apparent danger continues.

          The right to use physical force in self-defense ends when the apparent danger ends. The standard for determining whether a defendant is entitled to the defense of self-defense is whether a reasonable person, similarly situated, would believe that physical force was immediately necessary to protect against another’s use or attempted use of unlawful physical force.
          That the defendant’s belief was honest is immaterial. You must measure the defendant’s
          belief against what a reasonable person would believe.

          If you find that there have been past acts of domestic violence, as defined below, against the defendant by the victim, the state of mind of a reasonable person, for purposes of the above instruction on selfdefense/justification, shall be determined from the perspective of a reasonable person who has been a victim of those past acts of domestic violence.

          If you find that the defendant has proved self-defense, justification by a preponderance of the evidence, then you must find the defendant not guilty of the crime charged.”

          So, here’s the facts the defense needed to prove:

          1. Jodi was a victim of past acts of domestic violence.
          2. Jodi’s state of mind was that of a reasonable person who was a victim of past acts of domestic violence.
          3. Jodi believed she was in fear of unlawful deadly force from Travis.
          4. Jodi only continued to use that force while the danger continued.

          No. 1, I’m not sure the jury has bought domestic violence, to be honest. As much as it pains me to say this, she’s the only person who knows about it. If there was ONE police report or one person she told who testified, it might be more believable. Unfortunately, I know myself just how difficult it is to convince people of. Even WITH an arrest, people still doubted me.

          After Dr. Geffner testifies, depending upon his testimony, I may change my opinion because he will be the third psych witness they will have heard from (and one they heard about) who believed Jodi is a victim of domestic violence. I really really HOPE they believe it, so, I’ll go on.

          No. 2. If they believe she was a victim, then I believe they should consider her state of mind reasonable.

          No. 3. The sequence of wounds really doesn’t matter here. If the vena cava wound came first (as JM said in opening statements), then Travis could still walk, talk and be a threat. If he said “Fucking kill you bitch,” at that time, she had reason to believe she was in fear for her life.

          But that’s not what Jodi testified to. She said she ran, grabbed the gun, pointed it at him, and it went off accidentally. And that’s when he said “Fucking kill you bitch.” The ME says if he was shot first, he would have been incapacitated, not walking talking. To believe Jodi, you have to disbelieve the ME about the impact of the gun shot on Travis’s brain function. This is a tough one, to be honest. The jurors might get lost here.

          I’ve been here for ages chatting with everyone about a 25 caliber gun. I’ve talked to a friend who knows a LOT about guns. I believe he COULD have walked and talked if she shot him first. I also believe he could have walked and talked after the vena cava wound. I also believe he could have aspirated blood on the sink if either of those came first. But here’s my problem with the jurors deciding to acquit Jodi of all charges …

          No. 4. Jodi blanked out on almost everything after the gun shot. Technically then, there is NO evidence that Travis continued to come after her. While she had no duty to retreat while the threat continued, there’s absolutely NO evidence that it did continue. The jury has to believe this is reasonable based on a supposition that it’s possible — nothing more. Not even Jodi helped them with this.

          Without any evidence or testimony, I think the jury has to fall short of acquittal here if they’re following the instructions to the letter. If they’re action on emotion, that’s a different story (even though it’s technically jury nullification).

          Another problem is, let’s assume she shot him first and he went after her. Let’s assume she grabbed the knife and got one quick one in his vena cava, and he was on top of her, and she was struggling and stabbing his back. We now have to assume that he was not incapacitated at all after both the gun shot wound AND the vena cava wound. This is becoming a little bit of a stretch. It all happened super quickly, so it’s possible, but it’s still could be difficult for the jurors to grasp.

          And then, she slit his throat. Even though Jodi doesn’t remember and can’t tell us, even though the ME has testified otherwise, NOW, we have to believe that Travis was still either verbally or physically threatening Jodi enough for her to consider THAT much force reasonable (the throat slash), and that Travis was still not incapacitated. We have to believe that she had NO other choice at that point than to slash his throat and end his life or he would have killed her.

          These are the two stumbling blocks which I believe will result in the jury biting a lesser included offense because they can’t settle on domestic violence and the reasonableness of the force used.

          • Now let’s look at the lesser included offenses:

            M2 and Voluntary Manslaughter are almost the same, except M2 is a wanton disregard for life, whereas Voluntary Manslaughter is more of a crime of passion, and what has to be proven is the emotional state of the defendant to get Voluntary Manslaughter. Both are willful acts. Vladimir Gagic explained this well: http://www.azcriminallawsexcrimes.com/

            So, let’s look at the evidence:

            M2:

            1. Jodi flies into a rage at Travis which is not premeditated, loses her mind and stabs at him wildly. Or, shoots him first, and then stabs the hell out of him.

            VM:

            1. Travis gets angry at her, as he has before. He insults her about her photography.
            2. Jodi has had enough and flies into a rage and snaps. Or, when the gun doesn’t kill him, she just goes crazy with the knife.
            3. Everything Jodi said was true, but she continued to use force when there was no longer any need to do so.

            There’s been evidence to show any or all of the above is highly possible. It all goes to what the jury thinks of Jodi’s state of mind. If they really are angry/insulted about her TV interviews and lies, then M2 is likely. If they’re not and/or they believe Travis was an abusive bastard, then VM is more likely.

            But then, there’s involuntary manslaughter which, I believe, Nurmi has asked for an instruction on. That’s usually more for DUI cases. But it could apply here as an imperfect self-defense in this case, I think. “A defendant is entitled to a lesser-included offense instruction if: (1) a lesser included offense is identified within the charged offense; and (2) a rational jury could find the defendant guilty of the lesser-included offense but not guilty of the greater offense. United States v. Johnson, 637 F.2d 1224, 1233-34 (9th Cir. 1980); Fed.R.Crim.P. 31(c).” If the killing is unintentional because it began as self-defense but Jodi continued to use excessive force when she no longer had to, the judge could refuse to include the instruction.

            To conclude, if I was on the jury, I would acquit. I believe Jodi was horribly abused by Travis and I believe she acted in self defense. I still waffle on the excessive force myself. But I have enough doubt about the ME that I would have to say it’s possible.

            What do I think the jury will do? I think they’ll struggle with domestic violence. Some jurors will believe it, some won’t. I think they’ll struggle with excessive force of the throat slash too. I think they will throw out premeditation/murder in the first. Then, they’ll debate the lesser included offenses. In the end, I think they’ll compromise on one of the manslaughter charges, assuming they get both to consider.

            • The excessive force is the ONLY thing that makes you go, “eh”.
              Total of lack of evidence on the prosecutors side (and sneaky shit).

              And with so much evidence proving self defense, how could that one “eh” cause someone to find Jodi guilty of PM?

              I’ll understand a MUCH lesser charge.
              Granted, she’s already served too much for what I feel is self defense or possibly crime of passion.

              Thanks for the posts Also, very thoughtful.

    • Evidence that leads to PM: (Facts that PROVE PM)
      1) She told no one she was going to Mesa to see Travis & would traveling all night to see him.
      2)She turned of her cell phone.
      3) She dyed dark brown just before leaving to go to Mesa
      4) She purchased an additional Kero/gas can in CA
      5) Same cal. was stolen from her place of residence just days prior

      Evidence that leads to M1: (Facts that PROVE M1)
      1)
      2)
      3….

      Evidence that leads to Acquittal: (Facts that PROVE self-defense)
      1)
      2)
      3…….

      LETS TAKE FOR GRANTED THAT THE LESSER CHARGES ARE INCLUDED…

      Evidence that leads Murder 2:
      1)
      2)
      3…..

      Evidence that leads to Manslaughter:
      1) She has admitted that she didn’t mean to kill him, but that she did in fact cause his death. (Obvious evidence, so I added this to start)
      2) Crime scene appears the crime was unorganized-chaos
      3) She meant to go there to have sex-photo proof
      4) It was over kill; she flipped

      As of today before the closing argument I think it is a heat of passion crime. I do believe she’s a victim of DV. I’ve posted prior I feel this the where the defense is headed & I’m thinking that the only choice left besides PM. Please don’t hate me.

    • I want to fill in the blanks with some stuff Mr. Sirlips, but after I do, can you. Clarify if they are legal proof or not?

      • I am no lawyer, but i can make an informed opinion. Al has been doing a lot of research and has been willing to look up laws for us, I’m sure he will be keeping an eye on the thread.

        But yes, i will let you know what i believe is “legal proof”.

        The answer may not be as clear as we would like though. I would imagine there really is no “legal proof”, laid out in the law. However there are laws about “hear say”, circumstantial evidence vs primary evidence(Az does not differentiate between the two), etc…

    • Sirlips,
      “She has admitted that she didn’t mean to kill him, but that she did in fact cause his death. ”
      In her testimony, she said that she did not remember, but that she assumed that she must have killed him.

  31. Ok, so I found the song that “I’ll” be celebrating to when Jodi is found NOT GUILTY. Ill be singing (or trying to rap along), as I take two shots of Grey Goose (one for me & one for Jodi)! ; ))

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sS7_lVAWXcY (4:13 toward the end of the video is what Jodi should yell out to ALL these haters! !!

  32. There was an older, bearded man with glasses, a medical examiner possibly, on HLN (or on tape) this morning. He was talking about Travis’s back wounds. He said those wounds didn’t come from someone attacking, THEY CAME FROM SOMEONE UNDER ATTACK. I know some people here have suggested Jodi and Travis were in a face-to-face struggle (like an embrace) and she was “chopping” away at his back to get him off of her. Due to her height and arm length, she could only “chop” at his back and therefore the back wounds were quite shallow.

    Anyway, it was the most positive thing I’ve seen on HLN. Plus, I did see a panelist on HLN the other day tell her fellow panelists to “back off” and that the defense was doing an excellent job. I expect she was taken to the HLN basement and given a few whacks with a big stick and told never to return to the halls of HLN. Maybe, the ME (above) was in there with her.

    • This is why the Defense should have had their own ME testify!! Exactly things like this!! Those back wounds have “self defense” written all over them!!!

    • GeeBee has devoted a lot of time and effort and has done an amazing job explaning the back wounds to all of us and hearing that a doctor claims the same thing is soooo good!

  33. Well “if” Jodi is convicted she will have all the proof she needs to show how biased this Judge has been and that she did NOT GET A FAIR TRIAL.
    I bet Judge Pickle’s won’t be allowing camera’s in her court room anytime soon.

    Praying for Jodi daily!

    • I dont know about that….She almost HAS to allow cameras now. If she stops after this trial, then she would be admitting that it was a mistake to allow them in the first place.

      I also thought it would be a cold day in Hell before she doesnt sequesture a jury…but then after thinking about it, it would look very bad if she does it, after not doing it here.

      She’d have lotta’ splannin’ to do.

  34. I’m tickled pink that the pickle butt allowed the Dr to testify next week on behalf of Jodi.

  35. Hey, who was it that said taps in going to investigate TA’s house? Does anybody know when it is suppozed to occur, or anything else about it? Would be interested in that. Goodness, maybe a couple of evp’s or something, should be interesting.

  36. I’m shaking my head…Maricopa County, Arizona. Where medical examiners perjure themselves, judges have no impartiality, police detectives have IQ’s of 50, and prosecutors are permitted to prevaricate ad nauseum. If we offer Mexico $100,000,000, do you think they would agree to take the county back?

  39. How about this therey Jodi buys 4 cans 3 for gas one for karson she gave back one gas can and she never gave back the other one

  40. Did anyone see Dr Drew’s “juror” Katie Wick in the courtroom today 4/25 Thursday?

  41. So Dr Horne and Juan Martinez are pulling a Jodi. They change there story three times. Freaking absurd!

      • No history of Jodi lying until after the killing…she was scared and horrified. I don’t get when HLN for instance calls Jodi a “proven liar”…again, no prior history of lying!

          • my thing is that people are human — I don’t see Jodi as evil, nor do I see Travis as evil. People aren’t perfect.

            • Right, well nobody here has said Travis was evil and perfection was never the point. Those who criticize or point out what her parents were saying aren’t considering the fact that Jodi’s behavior was affected by being in an abusive relationship.

              All facets of your life can be affected by being abused in a relationship. Jodi’s relationship with Travis left her broke, used, and emotionally and physically scarred.

              Travis’ behavior through it all has been reprehensible. To pretend that his behavior was anything less than abusive, selfish, controlling, and irresponsible is like polishing a turd. It just won’t happen, not for anyone with a semblance of self respect.

          • Yep, she was a liar and moody for the last year and a half after meeting Travis. More proof of domestic violence to me.

          • Any father who said the things he said to his young daughter and abused her mother has no credibility.

      • Exactly.It’s understandable given what she was going through and what she was accused of that she lied.People lie when faced with lesser charges or everyday life’s trivial things.The fact that she lied NEVER ever ever bothered me.Sometimes I think that it would have bothered me more had she admitted right from the start to what happened.That’s what killers with no emotions do.But a young innocent girl,a pacifist up till that day as Dr Samuels said had mno other subconcsious choice but to fall into denial.What did they expect of her?To think ahead in time and go ”Yeah,I killed him.Let me just describe you in painstaking detail what happened in case I’m confronted by a crazy yelping frog prosecutor in 5 years’ time who will accuse me of changing stories”

  42. I also have empathy for Jodi leaking from every pore of my being and my hatred for Kermi is gushing. And it is so because you can tell Jodi is a good, compassionate, gentle person who got into a horrific situation that no one should ever have to endure. In the meantime, Kermi, who you can tell has never had a good and true emotion in his life, is using his job and this case to try to become the Justin Bieber of the prosecutorial world!! Instead he will become Barney Fife.

    • Totally with you on that Gwen.I knew Jodi was special the moment I saw her and read about the killing.It was an instant,instinctive gut feeling I had that still tells me she’s no evil.Just a girl who needed a lot of love,tried desperately to find it,sometimes looking in the wrong places and ended up with the worst possible bastard.

      • Yup – one of the reasons I started following the case was b/c at first, I thought how horrifying it was that she did this. Then, while watching her interviews, I thought, that’s weird, she’s so soft spoken and she seems a little disturbed (like denial or something). So I had to watch b/c then I knew that this girl just didn’t up and kill this guy for no reason. I’ve had my share of experiences to know that women (at least most) don’t ‘snap’ for no good reason. And the TA dolts that think that are either in denial, plain stupid or sick in their minds.

  44. OK this is what I think happened someone gave the hughes proof that travis molested there oldes son and they asked there son was this true and he said yes this would have been in may now they are mad and plan the revenge on travis they probable knew about the gun being stolen from the grandparents house because of the statements by dan hall and others that called jodi the hughes brother introduses jodi to ryan and they envite her to be at his house on the 4th but jodi went to travis house instead and all hell broke loose the intruders had hoods on they were suprised that jodi was there they knew she was to be with ryan if chris and sky were the ones in the house or they had someone else do it. they shot travis and knock her out when she comes too she is confronted by them have to go back to her story of the intruders now they let her go she goes to ryans and he and dan hall meet her at a restraunt or meeting but before she is ready to leave she is asked to go 4 wheeling this is the chance to kill her but she say I have to work and does not then they fix her lic plate and the cop stops her rayan is in back of her when this happen then she gets home and mom says people are calling saying she is crazy and needs treatment. she is envited to go camping get a 9mm gun but does not go another attemp to kill her now the 911 call travis is found 5 days later why house is open door policy and the cover up is on the way for 5 days a mentions of computer broken someone shows up at the house with a lab top to point jodi out with a photo Dustin also arives also Dan hall was called by the hughes to ask about travis and more and more and flores is told jodi did it why to cover up the real killers the hughes are on the cancun trip so they only have to talk on the phone while everyone goes into the jodi did it then flores gets the ashley reed saying her husband knew or may have done it then changed her mind then the flores report and all the stuff we know now with the breakdown that something was a foot sherlock homes was not in charge I can go on and on but this is what happens next she tells matt what happened to her at travis house and he was with her for 2 yrs till ashley’s death and 4 months latter her story changed because someone must have threaten matt or his family would be hurt jodi’s family was getting threats too her sister said someone said some really bad things to her daughter or that is what I read and to the self defence it was not from travis but from chris and sky hughes remember she told the jury that she said her sister was stupid because she was on drugs and in an abusive relationship and jodi was in the same with travis but he was killed for touching someones kid sexually and that is what killed him that is why she told the story of travis masterbating to little boy picture if he did not get it from the computer he got it from chris and sky hughes house he was always spending the nite with them and if he snuck in to see jodi and have sex with her he could have done the same to the hughes kid well that is what I think and the cards said and god showed me on easter sunday and I will hope that god will help her find a way to prove my theory on this someone will talk or something will point in that direction the trial has done everything to keep the hughes out of this and she is being railroaded to the DP has to happen to keep her from talking just hope no one kills her before that happens if you think im an on to something lets talk about it because the way this trail is now there is no way she can get a fair trial :mrgreen: 🙄

    • Tonya I think many of us here are with you with most of this. At least we firmly believe that this happened in a way that has NOT been shared in court!
      You are not alone.
      I feel like Jodi’s purchase of the 9mm was another very telling incident.

      • I have felt from the very beginning something like this is what happened. I believe she was also abused by TA

    • Well Chris was all covered in sweat on the stand, nervous as hell! And Sky tried her hardest not to appear in court! So, yeah I blv you are on to something. I’ve always blv Jodis intruders story and when you mention the possibility of TA touching one of the Hudges kids, yeah…. it can be possible. The same way he snuck into Jodus room that day at the Hudges, the same way he could’ve done with those kids… what a disgusting piece of shit and the Hudges too, for trying to put in on someone else.

      If this is true and no one speaks now, those kids will get older and they WILL talk. Someone will, eventually.

      • How old was Jodi’s younger brother in 2008?
        Anyone know?
        Pisses me off just the way he implied him and his
        Dad’s name.
        Remember he said their names were gay and also he said something to
        Jodi that she was tlling in the interrogation.
        Like some picture of him looked so gay.

        I have nothing anti gay to say at all.
        I have a wonderful gay son.

        • Yes, Aly! That really pissed me off! I wish she would have kneed him in the nuts for saying that!

          • Yeah Cindy,
            That would have been nice.
            I would have had to ask him what is your problem?
            You know???

    • AND BREATHE!!

      lol Tonya, I almost passed out reading your dissertation! 😉

      Seriously though, your theory is not that far-fetched. =)

      • the bullit casing could have been a plant was left to pin it on jodi because of the gun stolen from the grandmothers house. there is new police video interigation of jodi on HLN she said she just had to run get away and talked about the rental car and the roommates did anyone else see it 🙄

    • Tonya F, This makes more sense than most of the theories I have heard! WOW. It explains a lot of mysterious behavior. It pulls everything together…I do hope the truth is revealed. I have always felt Jodi’s original story of the two intruders to be the most credible. This would make a great novel for you to write. If we do not hear the complete truth from Jodi’s mouth…your version of events could be written by you (you may need a punctuation editor but besides that you are amazing). You create a great sequence of events, very intriguing. I suggest you keep a copy of this as a first draft…even if is never revealed that your theory is near truth you SHOULD consider writing a crime mystery novel, just change the names. Seriously. 🙂

    • Yes, Tonia.
      It would explain that famous ‘missed’ important PPL conference call that Enrique saw Travis hold already, probably on June 3rd instead of 4th. But Hughes set up a new one on the 4th to make sure Travis would be home. Gus probably knew something was wrong about it all, and was told what to say.

  45. ok sirlips:

    1) grampa’s gun goes missing.
    2) Jodi gets a rental car- no red. Car is returned with more mileage than what she told the rental guy she was going to use the car for. Its returned missing floor mats and a red stain – (never tested). the license plate missing from front and upside down in back.
    3) the gas cans- this isn’t the wild west no reason to stock up on gas and put it in the trunk.
    This is all i can think of right now- I need to add a disclaimer- I want Jodi to walk — but I think the jurors will consider this……….

    • Hmmmm, Zoe, if i were a fellow juror – I would have to point out that:
      1) there is no evidence of who stole grandpa’s gun and the ammo is different than what shot TA. (IDK if the ammo part was talked about or not – so at least the first one is shows a lack of evidence.) so I would say.. anyone could have stole the gun.
      2) I always say I’m going to drive less than what I really do when renting a car. It makes it easier and sometimes the price is better.
      3) At least part of the route she was driving is very desolate. These jurors are from AZ and, at least some of them, probably have witnessed the long drives dotted with small towns with double priced fuel themselves. I have driven those highways a few times and carried gas cans out of fear of not finding another station or one that I simply didn’t want to stop at by myself.

        • I hope you are all correct but I am worried the jury will not see it that way. I think Jodi will end up with manslaughter or M2 which is what she wanted to plea in the first place as MB said. the prosc ego is what made this go to trial and “waste taxpayer money”. I would not be surprised if he and his team were behind the threats to JW

    • Of course the rental car came back with more miles than she said she was going to use because when she rented the rental car she never planned to go to Arizona!

      • Bingo. If she was planning this, she would have done a better estimate so as to not arouse suspicion.

    • Highways 89 and 44 in California, presumably the shortcut route Jodi took from Reno to Yreka, is very remote. It is national forest bordering on Lassen Volcanic National Park, and you can’t get cell phone reception in a lot of it. Highway 44 has NO services AT ALL in its fifty-mile stretch other than a rest area. Once you are out of Susanville, California, where gasoline costs an arm and a leg, you are pretty much on your own. Yours truly KNOWS that route, for I have driven it dozens upon dozens of times when I lived in Reno and traveled to Oregon and back. Highway 89 has little towns like Hat Creek and Old Station, and the town of Burney is a few miles from the junction of 299 and 89 in California, but gas prices are outrageous. Ditto for Old Station near Lassen. Ditto for McCloud which is a few miles from Interstate 5.

      Jodi probably didn’t know the route like I do, plus she was driving an unfamiliar car.

      • People traveling south to Reno use this shortcut route.

        It is very well maintained and a beautiful drive.

        • Alternate explanation is she took a shortcut to Redding, turned in the car, and then got a ride to Yreka.

          I don’t remember if she said anything about the route she took.

      • Plus no matter what it provides a sense of security. I know a few people who always fill a gas can for long trips, even traveling thru populated places. It is just a habit for them.

        • I always carry an empty one, in populated areas. I’ve helped many people who get off the parkway or highway and get lost going the wrong way looking for the gas station then running out of gas and very scared in unfamiliar suburbs, miles from home, alone or with kids or pets. Drove to the station and came back with gas. When I go on unfamiliar roads, if alone, I fill it up.

    • There were two stains, one on the passenger seat, one in the back seat, nothing on the driver’s seat. What does that say to you?

  46. I wish I could be as hopeful about ME Horn’s testimony. I was so worried about it. I do not see why on earth that JW didn’t get their own ME…She must have some other plan in surrebuttal or closing arguments. I can’t believe JW let his testimony pass without SOMETHING rebutting it…

    Flores is a joke and I think the jury knows it too. So they might pass off Flores’ prior testimony as a joke too which is a problem. Here is why…

    ME Horn didn’t really change his testimony this go-round He had already changed it in his direct…in his direct, JW cross-examined him and he said then that he never talked to Flores about the autopsy and he backtracked on the non- immediate incapacitation or death…

    Kevin Horn: I think I’ve said it in court that I don’t think it would immediately incapacitate or kill him, but it would be a serious injury. But I don’t recall telling Doctor- Detective Flores that, no.

    Jennifer Willmott: Okay. So, let me back up for a second. So you’re saying that the gunshot wound is not immediately incapacitating.

    Kevin Horn: I would say not immediately fatal.

    Jennifer Willmott: Okay. I’m not talking about fatal, I’m just talking about incapacitating.

    Kevin Horn: I think, yes. I think that it would be incapacitating. It’s passing through his brain, so yes.
    http://jodi-arias.wikispaces.com/HornCross

    I pray that the surrebuttal psychologist will further blow Demarte out of the water because I think it is really needed…

    • IDK, Linda – if the jurors are allowed to, and do go back and re-read the ME’s testimony from the first time he was on the stand and then the one from today – they would see he clearly changed what he said. Someone above mentioned one of the things he changed, but it was so much that I’m going to re-watch his testimony from earlier for my own comparison. We should hope the jurors compare their notes, too.

  47. It looks like I am in the minority here in regard to the medical testimony. I’m concerned that the fact that the ME changed his testimony may get lost in all the crap JM has slung. I just keep thinking that the jurors are average people who are not medical experts, blood spatter experts, DV experts etc. and will have a whole lot of different information to go through upon deliberations. I still think it would greatly benifit the defense to have another Medical expert to blow the ME’s testimony out of the water, and leave no doubt that it didn’t happen as he stated today. It is a very critical element in regard to the State’s case of premeditation. I would like for the jurors to have very clear and consise information that the gun shot would not have incapacitated him, instead of the jurors needing to rely on figuring out the ME’s lies.

    Is there any chance that the defense will ask to have a medical expert brought in for surrebuttal, since there are several days before testimony resumes?

    • For all our legal-beagles, is there any chance for the defense to make a motion for surrebuttal since the ME changed his testimony is this grounds for them to be granted a surrebuttal? I know it’s usually if the Pros. presented new evidence, does the change in opinion of the ME count as “new evidence”?

      • No, at this point, they can’t. However, they can clearly spell it out during closing arguments. Actually, it would be kinda interesting. Jodi changed her story, but don’t forget, so did the Horn Dawg, and he also changed his hair!

    • I don’t like to report wild rumors BUT… someone stated earlier that HLN was reporting that the defense was scrambling to find a medical expert. Of course, you have to take HLN with a grain of salt and lots of alcohol, but I’m hoping it’s true.

      And, you would think that a medical expert would be allowed because, as mentioned, Horn introduced new evidence, the same way Demarte did. We will see next week what that got her..

  48. Even if it wasn’t IMMEDIATELY Incapacitating, Travis had defensive wounds and stab wounds to the back.

    Anyone who has taken justice studies or has COMMON SENSE sees that this means he was turned AWAY from Jodi meaning at that moment there was no threat.

    Please explain to me why the shell casing was in gelled blood older blood than the other piles if he was shot first?

    Its forensic factual evidence.

    and having this website come from creators or Casey Anthony is.innocent website … shows you are just in it for argument.

    Defense is a horrible team that has proven nothing. No proof whatsoever to their claims.

    • Approved and banned. I thought some of you could refute this claims killing two birds with one stone.

      • Jodi addressed this in her testimony and said that was not where the casing was originally I believe..

    • I’m assuming this guy didn’t watch the Casey Anthony trial and if he/she saw how it ended should tell he/she we aren’t here just to argue.
      “You guys are insane and having this website come from creators or Casey Anthony is.innocent website … shows you are just in it for argument.”

      Thanks JC,
      Approved and banned.
      We especially look for a group to converse with and get away from the ones that want nothing to but hate for Jodi.
      JC and the rest of the team,
      Thanks for this website. : )

    • OMG, where to start…

      I guess the defense should have hired a firearm expert to explain how SHELL, not gel, casings are not reliable indicators of the time frame a shot has occurred.

      Wow, is it any wonder the haters average IQ is in the negative, while those of us true believers here…well I’m pretty sure our IQ average is WAY higher than that person…

      They truly need their own planet.

      • Well if they are Mormon/LDS BeeCee they do get their own planet one day Klabob
        an if temple worthy are a GOD an have many children with all their celestial wives
        too populate the new world bahaha.

      • Lol BC, I caught that too. “gell”…Me thinks that poster has a valley girl accent……maybe it was Baby Doc!!

      • darn…did someone correct the original posters spelling of “gel” casing to shell casing? i could have sworn it said gel casing…maybe I’m having a dyslexic moment. I would expect that from them, lololol

    • Just follow the physical evidence there was a big struggle in that narrow
      hall way. That casing was moved several times I would think.

      Then you have the water marks so casing could have been washed off
      then you have people in that house for almost 6 days. I do not believe
      no one went in there.

      An when they finally admit to entering there that
      blood was dry. There is a SHOE PRINT no one brought up. The casing
      could have been again moved on entry MONDAY at 10 pm by the roommates
      checking the room. The shoe print would have been made when the floor
      was still WET. Jodi had no shoes on ?

      A lot of doubt in this case a whole LOT! the casing was not stuck in BLOOD
      it was sitting CLEAN on top of pile of blood it was moved.

      Defensive team was very professional no yelling or throwing things in court
      no mugging for the Jurors. The Prosecutor was very unprofessional constant
      DRAMA an MUGGING For the JUDGE an the JURORS he was DISGUSTING! an
      a DISGRACE to the profession.

      • So true Rhonda,

        “An when they finally admit to entering there that
        blood was dry. There is a SHOE PRINT no one brought up. The casing
        could have been again moved on entry MONDAY at 10 pm by the roommates
        checking the room. The shoe print would have been made when the floor
        was still WET. Jodi had no shoes on ?”

        Why do they keep ignoring this? How in the hell can anyone ind her guity.
        IF anything the state has does such a shotty job, how do we TRUST anything they say?
        Talk about LIES! WOW!
        They and the taling heads are the liars here!!!!

        • JA was wearing socks. Also, jm (in his haste to prove that it was ja that was in the dragging photo) made ja confirm that she was in socks.. wish the DT would bring up the footprînt and point out to to the jury that since it was confirmed that she was wearing socks, then whose footprint was this?

      • exactly, in the struggle that bullet could have ended up anywhere, that is not proof of crap, so glad the horrible mean people are actually coming over here to see what the truth really is, whether they believe it or not. Travis was a mean man, he did not deserve to die but neither did Jodi, he had an evil secret life that has come out now, so sad for his family

    • OMG and she addresses Jodi as “Hodi” lol can we all agree that we can tell that its a “HATER/LOSER” writing and trying to make sense of something that they’ve missed a long time ago watching a HLN, so why bother explaining. The only insane person on this website is THIS TROLL!

      • I don’t even get that Hodi thing ? it doesn’t make sense to me even. Sounds
        like a Nasty DisGrace comment though maybe? is that where it came from?

        I hated that tot mom she said all the time too though so I guess only people
        that enjoy Nasty DisGrace love to use her terms. I think she is a DisGrace
        to the South an to Georgia. Shame on her. I bet her parents are so ashamed.
        That is why you never see them on the news much but her twins she shows
        them all the time.

        It is so strange I did watch HLN a lot when they did the shows on lost children
        an adults they were different back then. An actually back then I did get upset
        a few times when they accused parents of something an then it was not the
        parents but a freako neighbor down the road. They need to stay out of trials
        though they cause a lot of hate mobs with those fat lips flapping all the time.

        • The MDS tools call Jodi “Hodi.” Also “Stabby,” which makes ME Stabby every time I see it.

    • It’s hard to have a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent, which Kelsey most certainly is. But for the record, COMMON SENSE would say that Travis was on top of Jodi when he sustained those shallow, centered stab wounds to the back. And as far as the defense team goes, they don’t have to prove shit, sweetheart. That’s on your loverboy Kermit.

      “Hodi?” How mature.

    • kelsey dear,

      I guess you think you’re somewhat clever for calling our Jodi “Hodi”, you poor frustrated troll….well, just so you know, the actual real whore in this whole scenario was that wanna be player “T-Dawg”, whose by his own despicable actions which are clearly proven by his text messages, emails and sex calls, has proven time and time again the kind of person he clearly was.

      And you call us delusional. Now take a deep breath, go look at TA’s autopsy pictures so you can get more inspiration for your hate, but don’t bring it here, just shove it up your ass, just like Saint Travis would have done. MMMMkay? =)

    • How is someone, who had only 4 boyfriends in 15 years a hoe? She never cheated on them, they all attested to that, Travis was the creepy sexual deviant who liked it up the butt, ugh – she didnt like it but lloved him and was trying to please him

    • Oh boy, where to start? I’m not used to arguing with haters but jesus there is crazy written all over this one.

      I’ll start with this – no I am not in this just for argument. For fuck sakes. I’m not like the Travis Taliban who wastes their life arguing with strangers on the Internet. I only have to when I’m confronted or are in a position to refute stupidity. Like this post.

      Secondly, all the taxpayer money racked up over this case can be attributed to JM, HLN, and the Travis Taliban making a mockery of this trial and impeding any progress they can. They *don’t get* that despite what they think of Jodi, she still has the right to a fair trial and counsel. Constantly objecting to the defense’s case is what has racked the bill up so bad, but who knows, maybe HLN will surprise us all and foot the bill for it. They’ve probably made 10 times amount of money covering this case over the past four months.

      The shell casing was found in the pool of blood because someone kicked it there. Duh…

      And we don’t know for sure if Travis ever grabbed the knife, and the wounds on the hands from him fumbling with it. The wounds on his back are probably from him being on top of Jodi and her using the knife to try to get him off. The wounds are very shallow, and consistent with this theory.

      The defense has proved everything. It’s nobody’s fault but your own that you live in a goddamn dream world where Travis’ own words can be pretended away like My Little Pony.

      Did I miss anything? Oh right, the “insane” accusation. Funny, because that’s exactly what I think you people are – sending death threats, trying to ruin people’s reputation, posting addresses and phone numbers hoping stalkers attack people you don’t even know. Then you come here all pissy and whiny when we don’t kiss Martinez’s ass or any of the prosecution’s witnesses. Such bullshit.

      Go get your distemper shot and leave this site alone.

    • And the fact that you’re on this site commenting must mean that Jodi’s Defense Team is doing a GREAT job or you wouldn’t waste your breath, Now, that’s damn funny,

    • Stab wounds in the back by angle and depth prove to me he was most likely on top of her at that time.
      educate yourself.

  49. sirips my response to your post at about 5:38 eastern time

    lets keep in mind that Jodi does not have to prove anything not even that it was self defense, so starting there has the prosecute proved that it wasn’t self defense, not in my mind. 1) gas can theory means nothing. 2) rental car exchange means nothing. 3 gun therory not proven was grandfathers. has prosecution put any heard evidence in that disproves self defense NO based on that she should be freed.

    realistically i believe there will be a compromise and they will find her guilty of manslaughter 1 or 2

  51. I think the most significant part of the cross examination of Horn by JW was right after the last juror question. She got him to say that after the throat cut TA would not have been able to hold his head up. In the photo where TA is on the floor and you can see a lot of blood and his head is up so he is not dead after his throat was cut in that photo. I believe this photo is taken after the gunshot to his head after which he gets up and goes to the sink and the mirror. He then becomes enraged and Jodi finishes the job with the knife. In closing arguments Martinez wants everyone to believe that Travis was already dead in that photo and Jodi is dragging his body into the shower where she shoots him in the head. The gunshot wound came first just like Jodi said not last. TA is still alive in that photo not dead.

    • All they have to think about is which we he’s facing in the shower and use their common sense that there is no way in hell to fire a gun from at least two feet away that has a left angle trajectory. She would have to be on the other side of the back shower wall. Or it would have to be a bank shot off the back shower wall lol. And it has to have been fired from at LEAST two feet away because there is zero evidence of any gunpowder stippling. It’s insane.

      Let ALONE the fact that the bullet then has to fly ten feet or more and change direction in mid air to end up by the sink on the floor with all the blood in it. Even more insane.

      And if they’re going to say she shot him before she somehow was able to manage to cram him in that shower, Martinez is going to get the jury to believe she decided to shoot him after dragging him 12-15 feet back to the shower after his head has almost been cut off? She decides “oh well what the hell, I’ll shoot him too.” Please.

      • Him and the shower always got me confused if I looked at it the way JM claims. Travis was in the shower in pics but blood and pic of body is in hall and then found he was found dead in shower. By itself it points to him having to have come out of the shower real fast for some reason. If she planned to kill him like JM claims, she would have done it all in the shower.

  53. I will settle for Manslaughter but would be happier with a full out acquittal! And when it happens I hope they cancel The Nancy Graceless Show in mid-sentence! “Well the devil must be dancing…” fade to black. And then Jean Castasoreass can finally quit kissing all that ass. She must be tired from puckering. Earlier, in reference to Jodi’s Grandma, I inadvertently caught her saying how much she likes old people. Wtf? If you gotta convince people of that, then lady, there’s a problem. I can also hear Nance cooing about it now to try to prove that she is not some sort of heartless freakazoid. The whole cast of HLN are bots! Except Robin.

    • yes would be nice but won’t happen, case in point Casey Anthony, she was the same with CA and after she was found not guilty she just said jury got it wrong

    • I agree Gwen. I wish they would bring back regular old court tv without
      all the nonsense. I stopped watching HLN but have had to tune in a few
      times when I could not get the video’s to play for me on here.

      I guess too many people are watching those talking heads so it won’t go
      away. That is evident from all the haters that mimic exactly what those
      Talking Heads say day after day. They do no research at all just blab
      blab blab it out nonsense.

    • Aquittal!That would be a dream come true.But yes,if that’s not the case whatever charges Jodi was willing to plead guilty to(sorry,still unable to learn the different charges terminology)

    • I agree, I want a full acquittal but I would accept 2nd degree/manslaughter because that is what Jodi wanted to plea to.

      Unlike what HLN have been saying, she *wanted* to take responsibility for the whole situation and take Travis’ secrets with her to prison. But NO, JM had to go and be a penis wrinkle about the whole thing.

      YES to your assessment – although I don’t think of bots so much as I think of the word CONTRIVED.

      There’s no way to balance out the ugly hate they’ve been spewing the past FOUR MONTHS with a couple of fake pretenses about liking old people. Yeah right!!

  54. I have a question or a point to ponder…
    After a juror is excused from the jury, do any questions they have asked and the answers to these questions get stricken from the record? Are the questions even signed by the juror who asks them? I would think that if a juror was dismissed due to questionable misconduct, their questions/replies would no longer be allowed as evidence to be used during deliberation…???

    • That’s a good question Dorothy. I believe Maria is right so they wouldn’t know which questions came from which juror and therefore, couldn’t strike them. Since the questions were in evidence, the jury heard them anyway so I’m not sure striking them would make any difference (except maybe on appeal — not even sure of that???). Also, the jurors won’t have transcripts of testimony in the jury room during deliberations anyway. Now, if they asked to have a particular question and answer read back to them, they’d hear it again. Otherwise, they’d be operating from memory.

    • Lynyrd Skynyrd – Free Bird

      Thanks Melvis, you’ve completed my Jodi Arias track. YYAAAHHHH!

      Now whoever wants a copy ill be glad to forward it for a small change of $9.99, donations will go to the Alexander family (like everything else)! NNNOOOTTTTTT!!! Just kidding, thank you guys, that was FUN!

  56. What do you all think of the juror questions (I found posted on Twitter, so may not be accurate):

    Juror Questions to Dr. Kevin Horn, Medical Examiner:

    1. Jodi stated she shot Travis in the middle of the bathroom, if that were true, and he would have started bleeding from his nose and mouth, wouldn’t there have been blood found in the middle of the floor?

    Paraphrase: You would expect blood for the site of the injury, yes.

    2. Is it possible you could be wrong about Travis being able to ambulate for only a few seconds after the gunshot.

    “I don’t believe so, no.”

    3. Can you explain what would happen to cause a different outcome?

    “I don’t understand the question.”

    4. What could happen that could allow Travis to still move well and for a longer length of time?

    “If the bullet had not passed through his brain, that could change the outcome.”

    5. Can you explain why you think Travis was still alive when his throat was cut?”

    “Because of the large amount of hemorrhage into the soft tissue around the throat wound. That requires a beating heart.”

    6. How frequently have you seen injuries with a .25 caliper weapon?

    “Probably at least 100, 200 times.”

  57. Well Hln is already starting on the Zimmerman trial. god help us its going to be a horrible summer. We thought the riots
    Of the sixties were bad.

      • SR…as I am here…

        All I can say is….only Zimmerman and Martin know what truly happened. Same as I support Jodi, I actually support Zimmerman also. I do believe it was ultimately self defense. I believe Martin reacted badly to Zimmerman questioning him and that is what happened.

      • I believe Zimmerman is innocent as well (self-defense), but do think there was some racial profiling going on at the start..

      • I think that Zimmerman is a smarmy overzealous little dicked Napoleon type who deserves due process and a fair trial.

    • Riots were incited in the streets in 1960’s. Look @ history. You will see what HLN will do with Race issues. Sad.

        • Listen you guys. HLN is not going to be reporting in the same way for the Zimmerman trial. First and foremost. Nasty Disgrace does not like Black folks…….that fact is very clear.
          Since her supposedly fiancé was murdered by a Black man when she was 19….something she is still “milking” to this day…she has issues.
          When Trayvon was murdered by GZ. She did not cover the story for weeks until folks started jumping in her chyt about it and calling her a racist. She covered it for about two weeks….end of story. Nasty won’t advocate for a Black victims on her show. If a Black person is shown on her show….they are always the accused.

          At the end of her show for years she puts up a picture of a services member who died in the Iran/Afghanistan war……I have yet to this day seen one of those service member to be Black.

          Anyway…in six weeks or so we will all find out how HLN in general and Nancy “the shrew” Grace in particular will report…..I use that word lightly…… on this trail.

          I’m sure my views of the Zimmerman trial will be in opposition of many who are on the Team Jodi site. But being a Black woman in America for almost 59 years……I wouldn’t expect less.

          To make my point…..news vans were on campus all day yesterday…..why….because still in 2013…Black folks have to go through this chyt!!!

          http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/local/orange_county&id=9079813

          • Hi Moni,
            Why are you sure that your views of the Zimmerman trial will be opposite of many who are on the Team Jodi site? I have only just learned of the trial (I just glanced into it because you mentioned it last week) and know very little. With the little knowledge I have of what happened and how I have, since I was a child, witnessed racial profiling rear its venomous ugly head, I know what side of the fence I sit. To me, the Martin/Zimmerman IS an obvious case of racial profiling, which ended in horrific tragedy. I might as well say it, I believe Zimmerman is a murderer…plain and simple (there goes my usual belief of innocent until proven guilty). He will hopefully get a fair trial and true justice will shine.
            How do you feel? (Feel free to refrain from answering that)

            • Well Dorothy there have been comments made over the last two-three weeks by at least five to ten different posters who have stated Zimmerman is inccent and that HLN will cause race riots. and that Rev Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson will be stirring up trouble behind this case. Actually saying a bunch of ignorant stupid stuff like you might read from the Travis folks.
              Like I said Zimmerman murdered Trayvon. He is a proven liar….he lied to the judge about how much money he had…..not something you should do. One female poster said….”someone saw Trayvon on top of GZ”….yet there were no marks anywhere on Trayvon’s hands. GZ…said Trayvon got a hold of his gun……yet no finger prints of Trayvon’s anywhere on the gun. There will be more to come out in trial.

              Now it really pisses me off is when some folks ASSUME how Black folks will react to a given situation. Will there be a fool or two here and there YES…..no doubt about it. But the whole world will be watching this trial. WHY….just because America is always talking about Human Right!! You can’t talk the talk if you don’t walk the walk…..just sayin’

              So bottom line….GZ is guilty as hell, but he deserves his day in court just like any accused. And I’ll be paying attention!!!

              • 🙂 I will be paying attention as well. AND I might add I feel the same as you. Trevon was unarmed, alone and posing no threat. He was a resident of that area. Zimmerman took it upon himself to profile this young man and shoot him…for WHAT? OMG! It saddens me all around. I can’t see how anyone could see a reason for Zimmerman’s rash behavior. GZ called the police! That is the first indication of racial profiling in my mind. Why didn’t he say hi to Trevon? Talk to him? I hope there are NO riots, but if there is a protest to draw attention to the continuing injustice of racial profiling, I may attend.

  58. OK I’ve googled googled and have had no luck finding this link, but a few years ago I saw a show
    on I.D. about a man and woman who’s home had been broken into and they had both been shot in the head while they were sleeping. They said the woman died instantly but not the Husband. He got up out of bed, went down stair’s and ate breakfast, walked to mailbox got the mail and died when he got back inside the house at somepoint. Never realizing that he had been shot or that his wife was dead.

    • I can’t think of the name of that murder ? the son did it ? college student it has a movie
      on Lifetime about it. I remember it was on the East Coast but just can’t think of the names
      if that is the right one.

      The dad did go downstairs though an continue on like he was getting ready for
      work even though half his head was damaged badly.

      The son still says he did not do it ? no real evidence except he was spending
      a lot of the parents money an causing problems in the family by signing loans
      an such with his fathers name.

  59. Here’s the one thing i have never understood. The roommates contaimated the crime scene, how does anybody know they didn’t mess with it or add a few stab wounds? maybe thats why Jodi doesn’t remember??

    • Or removed porn???

      And as i have said before…cops hate pedophiles….but it you kill a pedophile, then they hate you because you took it away from them.

      • My thoughts are that TA prob knew that porn on PC’s can be traced….maybe his alternative were the mag pics of little boys..

    • Well they had motive, TA told them lies about Jodi, so yes it can’t be discounted. What I’m puzzled about is how Jodi got him back into the shower when clearly, by the evidence of all the blood, he was killed outside of the shower. Jodi could never have managed it, impossible. The more I think about it, the more I am certain someone else did that AND added more stab wounds too. Why would Jodi have washed him down and why would she have taken photos of him after he was dead????

      Also I really can’t believe she slashed his throat, I think that would have to be the work of the person who PUT TA into the shower.

      Too many people contaminated the crime scene, all of them believed TA’s stories about Jodi, any one of them could have done it. They were quick to point the finger at her.

  60. Question… they can only use evidence in closing arguments that has already been admitted at trial correct?

  61. Thats what i think, and i was also wondering if Fartinez can jump up and object in closing arguments.

  62. Has everyone noticed how Nance and the performers on HLN love to throw around the word ‘psychopath’ or ‘sociopath’? It’s like if you cut line in front of someone at Walmart you are deemed one or the other by them. Did that young woman sobbing in the courtroom today over the brutality of TA’s death look like either one of these to you? She is horrified by what she had to do to survive!!

    • And like I’ve said here before, I believe in the MMPI, and it did not show any tendencies that would fit that diagnosis. I am certain that if the pro-psych could have wrangled an anti-social personality disorder out of Jodi’s test result, she would have. But the best she could do was to seriously over-stretch the results to borderline PD.

  63. ME on Nancy Grace just said the report says there doesn’t appear to be damage to the brain. Nancy if course went back to today’s testimony. They should have brought up the dura mater being intact.

    Defense NEEDS their own ME

    • I honestly wonder if the defense just hadn’t planned on needing an ME because the state has been saying something different this whole time…UNTIL right before the trial.

          • No, at least, I should say, I’ve never heard of that Sil. They can ask for portions to be read back to them though.

            • so then it is possible that a lot of crucial testimony may be lost to the jury in lieu of JM’s constant bullshit antics. 🙁

              Because his whole purpose throughout the trial has been to suppress evidence and slander Jodi over and over and over.

  64. Well, Dr. Samuels said NOS and Dr.demarte said ///lol had a brain fart. Anyway the point was neither made a diagnosis of psychopath or sociopath. Maybe we will get real scoop from Dr. Geffen.

      • Sheesh, he sure was willing to give out marriage proposals. He just didn’t follow through or the girls were wise to him.

    • Hey that is suppose to be the one that he bought a ring for ? I doubt that cheap ass
      bought a ring though men like that would buy themselves a ring before going all out
      for a woman lol. I remember the Hughes saying Linda ? probably another big FAT LIE
      though.

    • She is lying to herself. If Travis wanted to marry her, there wouldn’t have been a Deana, Jodi and Mimi in there. Oh and a Lisa.

    • Apparently, travis wanted to marry everyone he dated! LOL Another one?

      • What was it that Dr D said about JA switching boyfriends so quickly? Isn’t that what TA did with women?

      • This Linda stated that she was dating travis in february 2002… wasnt deanna dating him then as well?

  66. Nance and her sexperts made the diagnosis before I banned them from my TV. Of course, they said CA was one because she was a pathological liar and showed no emotion then they used the same reasons for Jodi. Where do these people get their degrees? I believe they sell them at some shady online website and it’s run by ‘Dr.’ Drewpy and his telemarketer happens to be ‘Dr’ Desmarteepants.

  69. Methinks the trolls are upset because we’re so happy and united… I guess their bonds of hate are not as strong as they appear to be….

  70. So here we are Still with no answers to our questions. I for one do not believe that Jodi get this. there is too much circumstantial evidence to prove otherwise. I do not believe that Jodi well walk. but she will not get the DP. if there is a God the truth will come out. god bless you Jodi we all believe in you.
    i

    • I just heard this song for the 1st time. I love it and ill add it too. NOW WE HAVE 18 SONGS for Jodis track.
      Hey, we need one from Al…. (waiting for Al).

      I wonder if we can send it to her, anybody know???

      • awesome idea!! I bet SJ or MB can figure out a way….I’d even like to have the list to download, when you got it all together…great tunes!

  72. Hopefully in a couple of weeks, this won’t affect Jodi…but for others in the Arizona penal system…

    An Oregon federal judge has ruled the practice of limiting inmates’ mail to only postcards is unconstitutional.

    The ruling from U.S. District Court judge Michael Simon throws into question the constitutionality of the practice in other states.
    http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/ore-judge-limiting-inmate-mail-unconstitutional-19045583

    Take that, Sheriff Joe…

  73. I’ve been up and down on this. I’ve always believed that Jodi should walk – and sometimes I get depressed because of all of the haters and think she will get convicted. I must say I’m convniced there is no way the jury will convict her. Prayers to you Jodi.

    • I hear you Mary…anxiety is pushing on me. I can’t imagine how Jodi is feeling…

    • I second your prayers, Mary.

      I don’t know why, but I’m feeling pretty optimistic for our Jodi. I like how despite JM’s attempts to dehumanize her, the Jurors refer to her as Jodi, just like we do. For some reason, I find comfort in that.

      It would be different if they called her “Ms. Arias” or “the defendant”. I believe Martinez is losing this battle.

        • Keep the faith!! This is going in Jodi’s favor, all the signs are pointing to it….JW got her ammunition today for her closing arguments. Look back at the video after she asked the doctor to clarify the throat wound make it impossible for Travis to hold his head up, and after he answers, the camera goes to Kermit and Flores…the look on their faces are priceless! He has changed his testimony 3 times now, that was the last straw. He even admitted that Flores lied on the stand…
          They know its over, and I do believe thats why the jurors are dropping out. They all are afraid that when she’s acquitted, or gets the lesser charge, they are going to be targets. Its IMPOSSIBLE for them to give her M1, and they know it.
          The only possible way it could happen is if they go completely on circumstantial evidence, it won’t happen.
          Believe it!!!

  74. T
    This is just hysterical. Now she’s writing a book in jail, trying to get it finished quickly so she can sell it and make tons of money for when she’s ‘acquitted’ of murder, and set free. She still actually thinks she’s going to walk. Her plan is to move in with her lesbian lover that she met in jail, who is still in jail, and get pregnant with a guy that they know who’s agreed to impregnate her, and move to Europe with all the money she’s going to make selling her book, and then have her baby. I know truth is stranger than fiction, but wow, this is so incredibly crazy. She has had an interview with the National Inquirer, where all this stuff is coming out. The editor thinks she’s a total loon, but they are still running the story. Now in this book, she’s told the editor that what really happened, is that Travis wanted to recreate the Psycho shower scene, and it got ‘out of hand’ and therefore, he was stabbed etc. She’s also claiming that she was pregnant with his baby, and lost it, which of course is another figment of her imagination, and when Travis found out, he flipped his lid, went ballistic and called her all sorts of terrible names. I only wish the jury could hear this crap, yet another ridiculous story she thinks someone is going to buy. Incredible.

  75. Praying for an aquittal. Women on the jury know about domestic violence for sure. Also, Martinez put witness on stand that did not contribute anything, imo.Deanna Reid = history no big deal, Walmart, did not believe them, tereso sp? she bought gas, pump clicked off? or spillage? No big deal, Robert Brown, computer guy did not impress me. J. Mefford, a rude prick and joke, K. Horn ME changed story 3 times. J. Wilmott slammed him. Martinez wasted 2 days. At worst, heat of passion or she walks, I hope and pray.

  76. let us not forget the jury has been home and not in a closed setting and HLN is on all day last nite one of them said the jury would see this anyway it is so onesided and anyone who trys to change there thinking about this case is shut down quick so they cant continue and if the jury is watching this it will make them convict her and if by chance someone on the jury comes to this site she has a chance. So keep making points for jodi that maybe one jurior can read on here that is why I state that one house open for 5 days and anybody could have done what ever clear that everyone pointed to jodi the second the cops arrived the flores report is different from the incident report here on this site and we have the motive why did she kill him if it was premeditated why not kill him when she got there is she was that mad at him … and chris and sky hughes are the first people on the police report why they had a motive if he molested one of there kids he was in and out of there house from 2001 till the day of his death the casing left behind could have been planted to connect jodi’s stolen gun from the house why did we not here about the bullet taken from the skull only the casing why was the dna done only in one area and not the rest of the blood in the house why did they not examine the cleaner left down stairs for blood why was there blood in the down stairs bathroom. if the banister was cleaned why did they find blood on it what about the foot print of a shoe and many more questions did the jury here the interview of jodi telling the story of the intruders what i mean is watch her telling it. she probable remember she told the hughes about travis and the photos he was masterbating to and when they were on the stand I think she remembered there voices the nite of the killing and put to and to together at that point and she probable knew that she was the target for this all along and admitted to it to keep her and her family and friends safe 🙄 and now chris hughes is in the court room today after they tried to bring his name up yesterday he wants to make sure he is still safe from getting cought or to make sure jodi does not stand up and point her finger at him and say he did it he had the motive and the dave hall to help him cover up and finger me for this I hope a jurior reads this and hope they all come here for if they only get the info from HLN we have a problem. The judge has anonced the trail will be finished in 7 days that does not give the defence time to help jodi just hope the can do a perry mason at closing they need to point out that there was so much they did not here and see that the house was left open for 5 days anyone could have killed travis and explain why jodi said she killed him was because of the Hughes money the Mormon clan and the Dave hall the guntootin ass hole who called her the nite she was suppose to talk to flores to shut her up. I have made my remarks here and we had our town explosing here too. was it a message they were sending that they can put fear in the one that want to talk the truth well ive said what I had to say and will end here and hope the best for jodi to find the sherlock homes to help her if all does not go well at least she is safe in jail for now untill someone try to kill her in there they are already sending bomb threats to JW and ALV and after this post could be me too 🙄 🙄

  77. damn my brother whats to go to bed have to leave his room wish my compter did not get the virus that distroyed it otherwise i would be here all night like i use to commenting and reading you post well have a good nite and see you tomorrow

  80. I am coming out of the closet with my Gravatar but probably only for a short while. lol I am proud to be one of the people who supports Jodi because I truly believe she’s innocent and to NOT be a hater who can’t be reasoned with because they drank some rage-flavored Kool Aid served by HLN!!

  81. Ha ha, this is the woman they attribute to having the Navy Seal planning ability of Chris Dorner.

    She steals the gun from the place she’s living in a staged burglary and doesn’t even ransack the place to make it look like a burglary. Then apparently buys new ammunition for the relic because she thinks that the seven most deadly bullets in the gun already aren’t what she prefers and definitely wants a gun that has the killing power of a sling shot. Even though she has access to other friends with guns at places shes NOT living that actually have the ability to kill someone without having to shoot them four or five times.

    Buys facial cleanser with the covert gas can she’s buying at Walmart because she wants to look good when she kills him. Parks in the driveway but takes the license plate off (this is really what the State believes) and then ducks in and out between roommates like a ninja in broad daylight. And puts the license plate back on upside down so as she’s driving, the only thing that would be more conspicuous to cops would be one of those small trailers with neon flashing lights that had a sign “cops suck dick.”

    Meanwhile she had rented a car with her drivers license for identification, plodded along visiting friends and buying things with credit cards and telling people where she’s going. Then sleeps with her intended victim she plans to murder and doesn’t kill him until the next day when she had a zillion opportunities to do it prior to that, including in a desolate woods he asked her to pick out so he could tie her to a tree

    No instead she waits until he’s sitting down in the shower in an almost impossible position to stab him in the heart even though he was standing in a position with his arms raised against the back shower wall five minutes earlier and she could have gone Ed Gein on him before he knew what happened and he would have already been in the shower where she wouldn’t have to drag him around the bathroom first to get him back to the shower after the tour so she could wash off her DNA.

    Then this brilliant pre-planning fem fatale who is executing this perfect plan not to get caught, put a bullet in the head of the guy who is almost decapitated, now leaving the bullet evidence which would possibly tie the gun to Grandpa in Wyreka. Doesn’t bother to pick up the cartridge casing laying there in plain sight either which wouldn’t have made any difference because the other part is in the cheek of the guy she covertly just killed.

    And of course this brilliant plan would never be questioned because every friend of Travis would be saying Jodi isn’t the one that was stalking him and is the one that probably killed him within 5 minutes of the police getting there.

    Yeah, boy that’s a slam dunk case for solid premeditation and a genius plan.

  82. Yes she probably paused during this killing frenzy 2 or 3 times to die her hair blond, then brown, then unsatisfied with how it looked, decided to highlight it in her spare moments.

  83. The only mistake she made in this painstakingly well-planned murder was forgetting to go door to door to his neighbors and borrow a shovel.

  86. Travis friends are such FAMEWHORES
    Just channel flipping & some new douchebag is
    on DR DREW talking about Jodi’s empty eyes….
    Dr Drew is such a HAM

    Ooooooh Travis is such a great man they all say….
    Jesus have they not listened to the texts

    I pray for an Acquittal so all they haters can all have meltdowns
    for their entire lifetimes!

    • The one thing I cannot figure out is what was Jodi doing with him. She could have done so much better. He didn’t deserve her.

    • They are shameless. Dr. Drew had on Abe A. Jodi went to lunch, to barnes and noble and later met for dinner. He acts like he has known her for 50 years and knows her deepest, darkest secrets. He does not know JACK! When you first meet someone, you talk about interest, hobbies, family not anything of significance. Then, they had on the so called INTUITIVE. Give me a damn break. Everyone of us can say we are intuitive or we had a feeling or She was full of chyt.

      • OH I am so glad I did not watch those 2 people make me very angry.
        They love to be on the shows don’t they? Guess they think they can
        get the hate mob even more hateful by pumping more up their butts!

    • Yeah, have they looked in the mirror lately? Travis said the same thing about Jodi and pretty much anyone that defied his personal agenda. And his eyes are totally psycho. Same goes for Mefford.

  87. I think once the jury tosses out premeditation they then must surely agree that something very violent and chaotic took place in that house and it would seem they must then simply ask themselves who most likely initiated the violence, Jodi or Travis? If I were on the jury I would pose the question, “If you were in Vegas and were asked to put your hard earned money down on that question, even without evidence of Travis’ anger issues and simply based on statistics, where would you place your bet?”.

  88. I don’t know about anyone else, but I don’t feel worried for Jodi’s case at all.

    The haters have done everything to undermine the defense, including sending death threats and JW still caught Dr Horn contradicting his own testimony three times.

    Even after all the receipts, gas cans bullshit, nothing has been proven. There’s still reasonable doubt all over this case. The walmart people didn’t even check for kerosene cans, in fact the jury beat us all to the punch by asking about dummy SKUs. They will also notice wally world lady in fact did NOT answer their question, just sort of danced around it.

    There is ZERO proof of premeditation, and a mountain of evidence that Travis Alexander was an abuser and since Jodi’s testimony was not impeached, still stands as evidence for the jury to consider.

    The haters can put that in their pantry with their cupcakes.

    • Thank you for putting in perspective. You are absolutely correct.

      🙂

      TEAM JODI ♪ ♫

      *how the hell did I do that? 😯

    • definetly something stinks in this “trial”! I am looking forward to an acquittal and or lesser charge (2nd deg, or man) and watch the haters squirm!!!!

      • I live and breathe for that moment! Watching haters shocked to their very core and start spewing even more heatred will be the best sight ever!!

    • I laugh every time I think about the haters. How they were getting all amped up having convinced themselves that Dirty Sanchez would have his long waited “Perry Mason Moment”. Now that didn’t happen, they SWEAR up and down that he will bring it in closing. LOL! Poor Bastards!

      Dirty Sanchez will most likely plaster a picture of TA with his throat cut for shock effect since that is his only hope, guilting the Jury into his verdict. The haters are praying he does that and will sing praises of genius!!
      Funny that is what they want after throwing their fit over our infamous “body bag pic”.

      • “Perry Mason Moment”

        I know, Kmiller…at every turn in the case they kept saying he would bring a bombshell..

        And guess what???

        No surprise…NO BOMBSHELL

        HAHAHAHAHA

        LOLOLOLOLOLOL

      • Dirty Sanchez………….. my new favorite name for the little funny looking guy,

        😆

    • I am right with you MB. If the thing about the gas cans was supposed to be the GOTCHA moment for the Prosecution and is the best evidence they have of premed, their case is looking pretty weak.

    • what is the big deal about an extra gas can, I dont understand that? Can someone explain why they care if she returned one or not? I worked at Wally World putting myself thru school, I worked in UPC office, customer service, cash office, mistakes are made all the time and lazy cashiers can ring up returns or purchases on general upc numbers made handy to them if it is needed, so I dont get the big deal about a dam gas can

      • you pay in cash, there is no record of you, if it is under 25.00 you dont even need to show your id!

      • It really isn’t a big deal other than it’s the only thing JM (Dirty Martinez hahaha) could bring in witnesses to use to say Jodi lied on the stand (impeachment of the witness). I personally don’t think the jury fell for it judging by their question about dummy SKUs. One of them might have worked at Wal-Mart when they were in high school.

    • dont block this person, let them see what all of us see please, I wont get mad, it needs to understand where we are coming from and that we are just normal hard working people that believe there are two sides to every story! Whoever you are, I am in my 50’s, have three children, work for Fox TV and I believe I am intelligent, now thats Fox Entertainment, not Fox news, we are separate entities, fyi and I cannot stand the bias of HLN

  89. Katie Wick is such a fucking BIMBO WHORE
    i hate her!!!!
    She just called Jodi a coward for crying in court
    today
    these blood thirsty soul sucking bitches are
    completely delusional!!!

      • Her 15 minutes have already been up! Idk why shes still even talking. She’s always talking about the same thing over n over with that FAKE smile on her face! And iv been looking for a name to call her because even a dumb blonde would be a complement but that “BIMBO WHORE” (like Josh D. called her) is perfect! !!

    • Yes they all are very disgusting to me with their twisting mouths when they
      talk out the side. They better pray to GOD they never have to defend themselves
      an end up in court some day. I will not be kind to them either not one bit.
      They are heartless an make up gossip for the evil doers of the world.

      • You know what they say, ch, sh, and the kkk will reap what they sow. Mark my words, Carma is a bit**h.

        • True ! but that Katie Wick is a very horrid woman. I don’t know how
          she can look in the mirror an feel good at the end of the day the things
          that she says. Only for Dr. Slew though I can’t help but think sometimes
          he has a fling with these women haha they all have the same look
          an dumb smile an shaking of the head thing. Oh an rolling of the
          eyes almost forgot that. They are all delusional I think ! cloned
          for that show.

          haha I betcha Dr Slew has one of them there Red Peckers too!
          No wonder he is in love with Travis !

          • Rhonda, I am with you, even Dr. Drew had to reprimand her, I think her and kcl have too many drinks and get involved too much in everybody’s business. You can waddy waddy woo hoo for so long, and milk it for what it worth. Neither one of them have no business in this trial, they inserted theirselves. Somebody needs to talk to the irs, because even kcl will not release the $$$$$ that has been collected for the alexander siblings, Its called deceptive. Just for what thats worth,,,,, I smell rats.

      • That Blonde Katie Wick that does some work for Dr. Drew they call it some
        Dr. Drew Jury or something I haven’t watched in so long I can’t remember all
        the terminology now. But she tells him the days events of the trial an throws
        in a bunch of one liners always about Jodi an her family. Or the Defense team.
        She is very rude an very much a Travis Supporter only.

        • FK Kate Wanna Be Wick…………. She makes me sick with her projectile lies. All she wants is her 15 mins of fame each night on Dr. Drew thinking she’s going to land some big spot on National T.V.

          First she felt sorry for Jodi, then she did a 180 and swung to the other side and has remained there.

          • It makes me sick the way she says “Dr. Drew” about 10 times in each sentence.

            “Oh, Dr. Drew!!!! The jury, Dr. Drew, just HATE Jodi and Dr. Drew, they are 100% on Juan’s side, Dr. Drew. Dr. Drew, I can see that clearly, Dr. Drew. Ohh Dr. Drew!!!!”

      • “About Katie Wick

        It’s time to change it back

        I am a Christian Conservative driven to educate and inform Americans on the perilous direction our nation is headed.
        My life changed on the morning of September 11th when I watched the terrorist attacks unfold live on television. I am driven to make sure thatAmerica never reverts back to a pre 9-11 mentality and that we return to our Christian values.

        Our generation played a major role in the election of Barack Obama.

        On October 31, 2008, Senator Barack Obama said “we are 5 days away from fundamentally transforming the United States of America.” How many actually heard the words the Senator spoke that day? How many of us actually thought what the word fundamentally means? How many of us were able to break through the cobwebs that were masking the real meaning behind his poetic words? Unfortunately, there weren’t enough.

        Various polls showed that Obama lead McCain with voters 18-29 by about 40%! So why did it happen and how did it happen? Were the pro Obama votes based on the fact that they youth vote truly believed in Obama’s message or was it the idea that he was the ‘’cool” candidate? There were messages, ads, t-shirts, Hollywood starlets in every avenue of this election which targeted the youth vote. They were successful. Unfortunately, it wasn’t a success for this nation. It is time for the youth vote to begin self education so our nation is never put in this position ever again.

        It is time for the youth vote to begin voting on who is the better candidate for this nation and not what Liberal Professors or the Leftist media tells us to do.”

      • She can’t respond because she has no original thought of her own. She has gained some notoriety based on this case and she’s trying to capitalize on it. She thinks, perhaps someone at HLN will notice how “smart” she is and give her a permanent position there. More than likely a position somewhere in between Dr. Drew’s sticky balls. 🙄

  90. if Jodi Doesn’t cry she is sociopath and they have no feelings, If she cries she is a coward….geee you can’t win either way with those idiots.

    • I’ve read that “Jodi’s nose is crying” (implying it’s fake), more times than I care to remember. Whenever someone DID fake-cry, HLN had experts on to say that genuine crying causes the nose to run. If the nose isn’t running, they’re faking it. WTF???

  91. remember no matter how frustrated HNL, JM, or Judge Pickles
    and the complete surreal fuckery / absurdity of this whole trial is..

    just remember at the end of the day

    Judge Judy 🙂

    • Heres what is just crazy, any normal person with children, heard that someone with anger issues, domestic violence issues, pedo issues, would do everything in their power to insure their childrens safety, Not jump on a band wagon and spew hate. If this happened in our family, i can assure there are plenty of big, strong men who would jack them up. We don’t play when it comes to any issue about children.

  92. Seek2Understand, can’t get this to post above. Regarding what Sky said to Nurmi, no, it was when Chris was testifying at an evidentiary hearing outside the presence of the jury (about them trying to tamper with Gus Searcy).

    Go to Day 10 of the trial videos. Third one down. It’s short. It’s worth watching from about 10 minutes to 16 minutes where Nurmi asks Chris about the letters that he’s going around saying are forged and reads the response he got from Sky when he sent them to her. Chris is a bastard and you’ll hate him, but you can tell Sky is freaked. You’ll be pissed the jury isn’t hearing this so.

    • I despised Chris Hughes! I never saw him in the 48 hours interview or whatever, but he was an arrogant ass in that hearing!

    • AA found it…I wasn’t able to watch much of the start of the trial…what an arrogant, lying SOB Huges is. Smart Ass is an understatement..disgusting, and JM looks snarky as hell as well..

  93. Does anyone know what Darryl or anyone else said about her hair color when she visited them? Were they asked? I missed Darryl’s testimony. I really don’t understand why everyone is even using this as evidence of premeditation. If her hair had gone back to blonde by time she went to Utah, fine, but she didn’t change it back.. she kept it brown!

    • There are pictures of her that the DT showed from May where her hair was dark brown but it had blond highlights in the front. It seems to me all she might have done in Salinas is dye the blond streaks in the front. But as you say, if she was really looking to disguise herself going into Arizona, she’d have dyed it blond again after leaving. I hope this is said during closing arguments to point it out to the jury in case it hasn’t occurred to them.

      • None of that makes sense though to me if I were to disguise myself
        I would just buy a wig with a short red hair do on it total opposite
        of what I was. An wear some big clothes an stuff them an maybe
        even buy one of those masks that look like old people an walk
        in with a limp. We know artists have better imaginations then just
        dye the hair an that’s it.

        • Remember she wasn’t going to AZ until TA called her on the phone and begged her to come to AZ. So, it would not make any sense for her to dye her hair along this trip and it hasn’t been prove that she did. Juan is just blowing smoke up the jurors ass as usual.

          We we just focus on the facts and evidence we will get through this trail as ” TEAM JODI” God only knows she needs tons of prayers tonight, and during this next week.

          Only Jodi knows the truth about what happened that day………. Hopefully she will write a book and tell all about it.

          • It doesn’t work out well, dying hair in a gas station bathroom. Always comes out skanky no matter how many times you try to cover the old hue. But the built-in blow drier is kind of nice if you tilt up that steel tube thingy.

  94. One small detail I noticed today. I have been looking at the crime scene photos for months now and never paid much attention to the blood smears and bloody hand print on the lower part of the sink. This indicates that the defensive wounds on Travis’ hands were present when he was coughing up blood at the sink. The gun shot had to have come first.

    • I think the first time the ME testified he said the stab to the heart area could have caused the scene at the sink?

    • Made a lot of sense to me when Wilmott said, “So the bullet going through the sinus cavity could cause lots of blood if projected by a cough, right?”

      How else could it have happened, the blood on the sink?

      The Defense wins again.
      🙂

    • Cam why does the hand print at the sink mean the defensive wounds were already present? couldn’t he have blood on his hands from coughing up blood or from his nose or the original wound, which ever it was gun shot or stab to chest. Do we know if that print is TA’s?

  95. I’m curious why many people call the Judge “Pickles”? I get the JM = Kermit because he does look a frog.

    • Because she looks like shes sucking on a pickle!! We have also called her “prune puss” lol

      • that’s what I was tryin to say LC!!! Sucking on a pickle! Getting tired! prune puss is a good one too lol!

          • Lynn…

            I love your doggie avatar…

            and I don’t think you are “getting mean”…I think it’s the feeling of frustration with the ineptness and stupidness of this trial…

            • Thanks TS…your right, I am frustrated with this fiasco of a “trial”..I do not trust the Pros, Flores, the Hughes, and even the “judge”..I think there are many hidden things going on here, and don’t think that Jodi is getting a fair trial! Add the media frenzy to the mix and the LDS haters and this is one crazy mess, with someones life at stake!!! So I think I will use “bobble head” as I have no respect for her at all!!

      • LC…

        don’t forget to check back at your other post about the songs…I posted a song for you to listen to on your other post…

        • Ok. Will do! Thank you all for helping on my mission. I have a great track to remember all you guys forever! !!! : ))

  96. I’ve been trying to catch up on everything since I was out most of the day. I do have a couple of comments. I kept an open mind watching the CA trial and when the pros rested, I jumped out of my chair and yelled, “is that it?” The pros never even proved how that poor child died! If people are upset that she got off then blame the pros. It’s the same with this case. I don’t see that the pros has proved premed. People talk about the cost of this trial. Blame JM since he’s the one who wouldn’t accept the plea. JA said TA’s death was her fault. Did she say I shot and stabbed him? I think someone else was there!

      • I know when JM was questioning her he asked if she was crying when she stabbed him and she said “I guess” or “I don’t remember”.

  97. I have been reading this site for awhile and enjoy it. I have tried to be be completely objectionable. I do think jodi has been over charged. But, I do wonder why (and yes, HLN have said this also, ugh!) why has Jodi never said “I am sorry!” Even an abused person who kills their attacker usually says they are sorry. If self defense, it just seems somewhere she would say she is sorry for it happening. When you do something bad even if justified, you usually say sorry. That is my only thing that “bugs” me. She’s never actually said it. Remorse goes a long way in these type situations!!

    • I think she will make amends before sentencing. That’s the proper time to apologize. Defense attorneys don’t want a client to apologize for defending themselves during a trial because it could be twisted by the prosecution.

      • JC,

        Not sure if this link has been posted,but I came across it tonight and thought I would give a ” Shout Out ” to you for you to look into the story.

        We have some serious stalkers lurking on this site and spilling false agenda. I could just BITCH SLAP this dude.

        Feel free to take the link off once you have read it.

        • Thanks FU….I responded to his stupid story…what a crock of shit!! { why wasn’t any of my responses posted on his story! } Jerk….lmao!!!!

          • Melvis,

            LOL…. I remember someone asking if there was psychologist on bc he wanted to ask some questions. If I remember correctly it was late in the evening, and it was the second day Dr. Doolittle was on the stand.

          • Melvis, honestly it’s not worth it. Of course he won’t post your comments. All he wants is another reason to bitch and whine about us, so he can feel superior.

            And this, my friends, is how I know the Travis Taliban are abusers. As if their tweets and Facebutt posts aren’t enough, they devote hours to crafting a five page blog post of rage just for us.

            I think Alyce LaViolette has already said that the energy it takes to rage like that is indicative of serious emotional problems.

          • Oh and to add one more thing – I think there’s a hook in that bait to invite people to comment. One, they are setting up an environment where anyone pro-Jodi will be trounced on and verbally harassed and two; that individual might be fishing for emails and first and last names so they can do like the rest of the Travis Taliban does and release info to tell the criminally insane where to find their next victim.

            Like I said, it’s not worth it. It’s best to stay here where you won’t get that kind of treatment. Going over there won’t change their mind anyway. They are a lost cause. Someone with a lobotomy has a better chance at understanding what this site is about anyway.

        • Are we surprised, though? Really? After all the haters have done to LaViolette and Samuels and the defense’s new witness; are we really all that shocked that they are lying about us too? I’m not. That’s what bullies and abusers like the Travis Taliban do. Gee, how fucking BRAVE that blogger must feel, knowing that they’ve “told off” .001% of the Internet. 🙄 Someone hand him a cupie doll already.

          And this sheeple has the gall to psychoanalyze US? Don’t make me fucking laugh. Their entire blog post is nothing but self congratulatory, slanderous bullshit, and they are patting themselves on the back for it. They conform to the prevailing opinion and try to pass it off as freethinking? Oh come off it! I believe the term “mental masturbator” is appropriate here.

          They should rename their page to “just the spin” because that’s about all they have.

          Screenshot that, asshole. t(-_-t)

    • Pug –
      I think JC is absolutely correct.
      You saw the backlash Alyce got for approaching Samantha (or whoever).
      (I still havent seen proof of this!)

      But I also feel Jodi has tried to apologize in some of the only ways she is allowed – on video (prior to trial), while on the stand, and through her many tears.

      If she could, she would apologize face to face.
      Sadly, I must have one cold heart, because I honestly dont know that she should apologize for defending herself.

      But I know she’s sorry.

      Forever Team Jodi.

    • They have also said why she hadn’t shown a sign of relieve. Why she hasn’t said, oh my god thank god im alive and that im not dead, that he didn’t kill me! Either way, no matter what someone will find SOMETHING to pick at.

    • She did say sorry in her own way when she sent flowers to his grandmother, and an18 page letter to his family, IMO.

  98. My brother and I were discussing this case tonight and skeptic that he is, even he say it wasn’t premed. We don’t think she could have moved the body into the shower either. He told me about a 200 pound guy that he knew who passed out and it was hard for just two guys to pick him up.

  99. The closing for the defense better be good is all I can say. Hopefully one if Jodi’s lawyers will sound off like Maximillian Schell in Judgment at Nuremberg!lol

  100. The defense could play Miranda Lambert’s “Gunpowder and Lead” at the end of their closing argument. Haaaa

  101. DYING laughing at the fart! Farts are funny. I called her pickle butt earlier and then she poots. LMAOHAHA

  102. Nite all, you guys have a great Fri and upcoming weekend..will prob check in tomorrow to see if anything is going on~
    Peace!

  103. I think Jodi looked afraid today after it was clear the ME was lying to get a conviction. Wilmott looked really terse as she was questioning him as to why he changed his story three times. There’s a perjury charge for Flores but really JM stinks in this too. It’s creepy. Stay away from Arizona. I think we’re seeing real corruption.

    • like I have said before there might be so much more going on behind the scenes we have no clue about. There must be some kind of intimidation going on, some have gotten away with lots for too long.
      I hope someone will be brave enough to write a book about this side of the story

    • No, if I am recalling correctly Gus said he swore not to reveal that persons identity to that person.

      • I sorta remember that too, but I figured I’d ask in case it was out there. Do you think this other person knows what really happened?

        • I dont know if that person or even Gus knew the extent of the abuse.
          But I think they could hear the phone call to Jodi from Travis in that car, and I think both this person and Gus could feel the fear – the tension – the verbal abuse.

  107. Okay Mr. Sirlips. For murder 1 : destroyed the weapons. Fled the scene. Lied to police. Tampered with evidence (deleting photos and cleaning up some stuff) now I don’t know if any of this is proof in the eyes of the law.

        • Okay…I’m upset “they” didn’t post one of my posts!!!! What a bunch of bullchyt!!! They have NO clue what “we” are about. But just take it for what it’s worth and keep it movin’ folks!!!!!

          (((((HUGS)))))

          • Moni,

            The judge dismissed the juror #8 today? Which means he didn’t something wrong ? Since he wasn’t excused?

            Dismissed= violating your juror duty
            Excused= because you have medical or psychological issues that need to be handled or other issues related to yourself/ or family

            • I read something about a DUI!!! But why would you be dismissed for a DUI! This whole case is a Hot Mess from beginning to end! We’ll have to wait to see why Juror# 8 was told to “hit the road Jack”! But like someone posted ….can’t wait to read the book on the trial!!!

              • I watched the tape of this from the news station. They do say that the police was called by phone in the judges chambers on Tuesday with all attorneys present. It was sealed, and then two days later he was let go………

                Maybe he has to do jail time. Who really knows with this ” hot mess” of a trial.

          • Well I did, I had a civil exchange, explained about HLN / Network Turner, and they said they will take a look at my site tomorrow.

          • good point..I don’t have any personal info on there but good reminder. thanks MB!!

            • I am not familiar with blogger but I know that wordpress records IP and email addresses. Who knows where that info will go and whose hands it will fall into.

              I don’t care how civil that hater is, that is a cover until they do their next five page rage posting against abuse victims.

    • LOL…did you read the comment below the story! hahahaha….sounds like one of ours on there!

      • Melvis…..post a comment to your post…..wasn’t sure what name would come up for me…….so I posted anonymously !! But go gurl!!!!

          • thank you…thank you very much!! lol…had to do it…people always talking shit that they know nothing about…
            I bet my comment won’t stay up long…

            • omg, who is that guy….hasn’t he been watching the trial at all…he’s asking me what the ME lied about…really…good grief, I guess he wants me to go over the all the testimony for him…ugh
              I’m too tired for this… Looks like geebee will give him the scoop though.

              • That’s the problem with the haters. They are either too lazy or too afraid to research for themselves, so they frame the conversation as if you have to explain yourself to them or explain the case to them.

                It’s a waste of time, all they want is something to poke holes into. They don’t care about anyone’s opinion but their own (which to them, is the only “true” one, or anyone else who supports their agenda, just like Travis Alexander.)

                • your right MB….i did give him a couple examples, but told him to watch the testimony live feed instead of HLN. good god, how can anyone NOT know that the ME and Flores lied on the stand?

                  then of course, they don’t condone or participate in the bullying….yada yada yada, yet doing nothing is just as bad!!! I just have no patience for these people anymore!

                • Yeah, I do not believe them when they say that they do not condone or participate in the bullying.

                  If they are online trash talking Jodi and talking about how she should be convicted before her trial is over, they ARE in fact, participating it and condoning it.

                • I’m tired of educating them for free just to be insulted when they can no longer hang in the conversation. It’s totally futile. My parents and I spent a lot of $$$ educating my brian so that it would work as well as it does and I feel that I get stupider when I interact with them.

  111. I should really be asleep now….I have to work in the morning!! Hope we can still “talk” when this trial is over. I know Zimmerman is coming up………but I’ll really be taking that trial from a personal view……just sayin’!!!

    • I won’t be watching another trial for a while. This one has consumed my life way to much. Zimmerman trial shouldn’t last that long. Maybe a couple weeks at most.

      Nothing like this “3 ring circus”……

      Haven’t you found it odd that TA brother who got into trouble for all those issues hasn’t been back in court for the trial? Wonder if he’s sitting in jail, or keeping on the down-low. Seems to been the same three siblings. Where are the other four? hmmmm

      • Not enough funds to get to Arizona…….we are talking about poor white trash with that group!!!!

        • Poor white trash is an understatement. I watched a YouTube video of Tanisha last night bungee jumping that showed her nasty teeth….. I was like ” wow” she needs to get to a dentist not laser surgery for her face …..

          Wonder who the dad is of her kids….. She had her third child when she was 22……..poor kids are probably messed up from her doing drugs. Suprised they were never taken from her.

  113. My post on ( Just da truth) blog
    ” Read my lip…..” Innocent Until Provence Guilty “. Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness. Killing is justifiable, when it’s kill or be killed. Killing is a duty. Where were you John boy Williams, when it was your time to defend an idea. Mr Blogger yes I would have Jodi over for dinner because she has more courage than you. In one post, I know your yellow and afraid of taking actions, hiding behind your blog. John Williams, Travis. Alexander and Mr Blotter are squatting in a corner, hiding, like well nourished Liberty Leeches. You support men who beat women, I challenge you to follow me to Iraq and Afghanistan but you won’t because the Taliban hits back unlike most women. So Mr Blogger and John boy Williams put on your bonnet and sneak into the rescue boats with the women and children while men protect what is important like The US Constitution. Please if you have sons may your wives raise them, because not only are you rude and lack manners towards women, you are no where near being a gentleman, and that is something you can’t provide a son. How dare you talk about a woman like you posted on your blog. Who raised you? You’ll remember these words when it is your Daughter that in a similar fight for her life, but unlike you and your band wagon, Jodi Arias supporters are few but solid and I promise you that we shall presume your daughter innocent until Provence guilty, you have a small but courageous group standing by not if but when you need us. -Phillip.

    • PHILLIP your post has brought me to tears!!! I am a survivor of domestic violence so thank you on BEHALF of all the women who have made it out but mostly for those women who were not lucky enough to make it out of a domestic violence relationship!! Thank YOU for being a REAL MAN!!! For remembering what your father told you, YOU DON’T HIT GIRLS!!!! I remember when my son was younger and a little girl who liked him was following him around and wouldn’t leave him alone and he told me , “Mommy I just wanna SOCK HER ONE!!” It was then that I told my son why you don’t hit girls. And then he asked me Can I hit them if there asken FOR IT?? and with teas in my eyes I old him that a lady never asks to be hit and one day he will like it when girls follow him around. Fast forward 14 years…My son is 18 and met a girl a year ago who followed him around and he liked it! LOL I am now a proud grandma of a little girl. My son respects his girlfriend and treats her like gold. He told me awhile back that he cant see how his father ever hit me because he could never harm a hair on his girlfriends head!!! So like you sid in yourpost I pray if those people have sons that their wives raise them. Thank GOD my sons father didnt get the chance to tell him how to treat a lady!!! I think all women beaters need to be placed on an Island together and let them beat on each other!!!

      • Women beaters deserve DEATH period!!!! They have no right to breathe air as far as I’m concerned.

  114. Was just watching HLN After Dark on the premeditation question. Jennifer really has to hammer home that the gas cans are not an odd thing to do for desert driving at night and several books say to do just that. And I am just amazed at the hair dye as the big the thing…….Jodi never dyed it back to blonde she went into Arizona to the Memorial as brown haired. She went back to a natural hair color and stayed there.
    The car rental guy saw her driver’s license picture (blonde) and copied it and probably refreshed his memory that way….ONE witness in this whole string of events says she was blonde on her trip…but she arrived in Utah with brown hair…went home with brown hair …went back to Arizona with brown hair to the memorial to talk to the detectives. Women change their hair color. She wasn’t a natural blonde…maybe she got tired of bleaching it. GEEZ. She pre planned a trip. Good gosh, people amaze me for what they hang premeditation on. If she was stealth coloring why she go back to the Memorial as brown haired???

    • Here’s what I don’t understand – if Jodi is of above average intelligence, why would she be so STUPID as to take a picture of her hair after she dyed it, if she changed it to avoid being recognized? Why would she be so STUPID as to turn her license plate upside down and attract the attention of the cops? Why would she be so STUPID as to use her debit card to buy gas for the cans, if she were covering her tracks she would use cash.

      So the haters want us to believe that she is smart enough to be a criminal mastermind yet STUPID enough to make these grave errors. They can’t have it both ways.

      • What I dont get with the gascan thought is why would she use that debit card to pay for the gas if this was a “secret Plan”? And why would she rent a car in her own name? It is very easy to get fake identification in the United States today and if she didn’t want to be traced then why use her own name? I can see the whole gascan idea if she wasn’t driving across an HUGE Vast barren land….for instance if she was driving the entire way on n interstate where a gasstation is every 10 minutes. I am not sure if I am remembering correctly but wasnt thre a case recently where a woman from Arizona went to Cal. and killed her ex and his girlfriend and used gascans so he wouldnt be traced. Was that case one that JM prosecuted? Again I am not sure it went to trial in Arizona but I remember seeing it on the ID network.

          • Well, that would be pretty poor planning for premeditation. I believe she had just deposited cash at a bank into two different accounts on the way down. If it was planned to cover her tracks, why would she deposit cash so she would be forced to use her debit card? Makes no sense.

    • At this point I’m more worried about the fact she lied to the jury about having 2 versus 3 gas cans…then why she had them. The jury can now choose to disregard ANY or ALL of her testimony. I without Jodi’s testimony…there is no self-defense or abuse.

  115. As I sit and watch this trial I have wondered many times how Jodi can sit there and listen to the state spew words of hate towards her and many of the witnesses who she once saw as her friends degrade her and testify how they assume TA felt….Then today it hit me as I was getting out of bed and saw our new little kitten, who my daughter named JODI playing at he foot of the bed and one of the older cats was trying to calm her by putting a paw on her back and she just kept right on playing despite this huge paw holding her down……Noone can make you FEEL infearior without your CONSENT(Elanor Roosevelt said that) And LIKE Mrs. Roosevelt Jodi Arias is an acceptional woman. She knows who she is and she knows the truth of what happened and she isnt going to let all those pea brained MORANS make her feel bad because they are MORANS!!!!

  118. I hate to be pessimistic, but I didn’t like what I saw in the courtroom yesterday. While on the one hand it makes me feel good to see the Medical Examiner reduced to lying like a petty criminal, on the other hand it’s a real worry. The jury is seeing the Medical Examiner intimidated into lying. I don’t know if they’re aware that Flores was forced to take a perjury charge. It worries me that Wilmott seemed intimidated into going soft on the Medical Examiner. So if I were a juror, I might wonder what pressures will come down on me and my family if I were to go for anything less than 1st degree premeditated. Am I overthinking this? AZ is starting to look like mob to me.

    • I totally agree!!! I wonder if these jurors with reach a verdict bassed on what MIGHT happen to them and not WHAT HAPPENED in Jodi and TAs relationship and what TRUELY OCCURED that day. Look at what happened in Florida with Cassie Anthonys jurors. They used the evidence they had to come to a verdict and were terrorized by the mob of nation who throught they were the judge, jury, and exacutioner of Cassie Anthony.

  121. While reading Phillips post above I began to think back of my YEARS with my abuser. He had a very hard upbringing and that is what I always used to justify the way he was. I thought that I could fix him. I thought if I loved him enough I could love the hate he had in his heart away. Each time he hit me it would never happen again and I believed him. When my family began to see the signs I was abused I lied and covered for him because at the time in my controlled mind it was my fault that I was harmed. I look at photos from times when it was good between us where we are embracing and I cry not because I miss him or the abuse but because I miss the feelings I had during the good times and the way he treated me then. When I watch the clips of Jodi crying when the video where her head is in TAs lap was played in court or when the picture was shown when he was kissing her head I believethat she is crying for the same reasons I do. I truely loved my abuser and still treasure our good times together. When people looked at him they did not see the monster that he could be behind closed doors. They saw the man he wanted them to see. These type of men like TA and my ex are so contolling they can make you see who they want you to see. For gosh sakes even after the phone sex recordings were played in court of TA and Jodi Tas family still sees the person he wanted them to see even when confronted with his own voice they still do not see the truth!!

    • Jennifer, it’s so great that you see it all so clearly now. You’ll never get into a relationship like that again and if you see someone headed toward a mess like that you’ll be able to warn them!

      • Well I hope and pray that i can now see the warning signs of physical abuse. I pray that Jodi is able to be free vey soon and find a man wo will treat her the way she deserves. I saw a interview with one of Jodis friends who said that Jodi always wanted to be a Mommy I pray that she gets that chance because she deserves happiness.

    • scrolling is a bitch on those little screens…I don’t use my tablet for that reason

      🙂

  124. I’ll tell you early birds what developments there were overnight. FUJuan posted an Arizona local article that said that juror #8 was pulled over for DUI on Saturday night. The judge and all lawyers spoke to the policeman on the phone in chambers and poof, juror 8 was gone. I don’t know what to make of it. Maybe he has to go to court or some kind of mandatory training so he won’t be able to be in deliberations?

  125. Has anyone heard whether juror 8 might have been good or bad for Jodi?

    • I heard it was the prosecution who wanted him off. But in reality no one really knows until deliberations which way they’re leaning.

  126. I have a question regarding juror #8. I thought if someone was called for jury duty and choosen it wa the law that their employers had to give them the time off just as they have to when someone is called for duty in the military their employer must give them the time off.

    • I always thought employers had to give them the time off, too. I know my employers have always given me and my co-workers the time off. I can’t imagine being away from work for 4 months though!

      • It is the law that a person has to be released from their jobs .. its their civic duty to be on a jury, unless they can be excused for good reason.. However , employers do not have to pay them their regular wages if they choose not to.. I worked for a very well known bank, and they paid my wages the whole time I was on jury duty, plus I received the small amount you get from the state.

    • The problem often arises for folks who are either self employed or make the bulk of their money off things like commissions.

      So if you were self employed as say a carpenter, you’d be in a heap of trouble if you were away for 4 months, or say you were a car salesperson. They pay them some measly salary (it can actually be below minimum wage) and the rest comes from commissions. Again the employer can keep paying you your salary, but that would still put you seriously in the red.

      I’ve heard some talk from time to time that the state should pay you something like your last 3 months average income or something as opposed to the $12-15 a day they do now.

      • I always thought the pay for jurors was WAY to LOW for what the people are asking of them. It should be equal to their pay that day when they are working. If they are unemployed then ya pay them a little less but we are asking alot of them.

        • There is a fund in Arizona they can apply…they will receive up to $300/day for lost income. Also they will excuse you from the jury pool in these long cases if serving will cause financial hardship.

  127. Went back and listened to Horn’s testimony yesterday. Other tan all his backpedalling, there was one salient fact brought out, if the defense can capitalize on it.

    Horn testified that he found no foreign material in the brain. I went around and did some research based on some stuff I knew from elsewhere. When a high velocity projectile hits a relativel thin object (like a sheet of metal of a skull) it causes shattering ahead of its path. That means that Horn should have found bone fragments in the brain. He says he didn’t. So we have one of three issues:

    1. The bullet wasn’t fast enough to cause that kind of effect, which means it may not have had the impact Horn is claiming (This could happen if the ammo was old, or the bullet hit at an acute angle)

    2. The ME didn’t really do a very good examination and was just glossing over stuff. This may just have been because the cause of death was so obvious, that he really didn’t do a very detailed examination.

    3. The ME is just incompetent.

    Either way the defense ought to be able to get some good mileage out of this, if they don’t fuck up.

    • I remember reading about either the ME’s report or the testimony of the ME back in January. I remember it was clearly stated (somewhere) that there’s a thick membrane inside the skull that protects the brain and the ME said that membrane was still intact. Now he’s saying the bullet went through the frontal lobe. If it was in Horn’s report, I wonder why Wilmott didn’t put his report up on the screen. I’m going to have to look all this up this weekend.

    • I am from Iowa and her we do alot of hunting. Not with handguns but rifles. I have seen and heard also of many times when a deer was struck in the head and kept running. Most times it had to be shot again to bebrought down. My uncle once hit one in the brain when i was with him and it just stunned the deer. It ran and we found it about 30 minutes later at a watering hole drinking. He shot it again and it died from that. When we were able to get near the deer that the first shot truely did hit the brain. I know big differance in guns but I found it interesting.

      • I just think the ME’s story sounds wrong, especially since he’s CHANGED his story. The gunshot came first, the gunshot came last. I’ve heard that .25s are just a bit stronger than BB guns. I don’t know if you’ve heard the joke that if you shoot someone in the head with a .25, they’ll be really angry if they notice it.

        • It doesn’t make sense at all that the gunshot would come last: If the killing by knife was premeditated and TA now dead, why would Jodi have wanted to call attention to what she had done by firing a gun after 5:30pm, when the room mates would be coming home? Her car was packed and she could have gone without making further noise and leaving yet more evidence – a bullet.

          I just can’t get past the idea, either, that her car with its CA plate was in the driveway and had been there for over twelve hours by that point, and there were room mates. I can’t imagine even a klutz planning a murder with that sort of modus operandi. It’s just so flagrant. The first thing room mates and neighbors do when they see a new car in the ‘hood is to check plates to see if they are from out of state.

          The only way the gun last would make sense would be if it was planned as a murder/suicide that Jodi changed her mind about at the very last minute and even that is difficult to work out a scenario for. Besides, there is no evidence either or them were considering suicide then.

          The jurors must have doubt of the prosecutor’s order of events. They will wonder why there is this confusion with Steve Flowers/Horn on Horn’s findings. At least one person on the jury will suspect that she is being railroaded. They will consider that the blood splatter shows evidence of a fight. If a knife fight had taken place without a shot being fired first, TA would have won it with his superior fighting skills and size, regardless of her brains and agility.

      • agree… I am from MN where we are raised on hunting… and its amazing how far an animal can run once its shot in the head, and that is with higher powered deer rifles.. People have been known to be shot in the head in much more serious manner then TA was, and survive.. Men walking around with shrapnel in their heads.. That ME is wrong.. he needs to study up on this stuff.

  128. i just read that juror 8 got a dui this past weekend..could that be why he was excused?

  129. I had a terrible night’s sleep last night. Kept waking up and wasn’t able to get back to sleep, so I’d get up, just resign myself to it, and then go back and try again. This really never happens to me. Anyway it was an exceptionally beautiful dawn. A big full moon was hanging in the sky. I’m going back to bed to try to get a bit of sleep. Have a great morning all.

    • I don’t think anyone’s been sleeping too well lately, I think it’s really difficult To be very Passionate about something: And realize There’s not a damn thing you can do about it.

  130. I’m hoping that folks from the jury actually break the rules and go educate themselves on the issues. They may see some HLN claptrap but they would also get some meaningful info.

    So lets post some stuff in the hopes that at least one of them gets to this page.

    Maybe SJ can create a special page that allows just posting of data an testimony, without comments. Sort of like geebee2’s wiki page.

    • I hope they don’t as impossible as that may seem.
      All media coverage is so incredibly biased the chance of them finding anything pro-JA is incredibly slim.

    • Al..or anyone..

      The jury is to avoid media about the trial…but are they allowed to look things up in general…like if someone wanted to do an internet search on .25 caliber wounds?

      I admit I have never paid close attention to jury rules so I am ignorant of that aspect and I only hear the judge telling them not to read about the trial…

      • BeeCee,

        Are you sure about that? I thought the exact opposite was true. In fact this came up in conversation. TV? Here? Something i read?…. Anyway, this exact example was made: A juror is NOT allowed to any do investigating on their own. They may not look up the meaning of a word/phrase, they may not search for crime scene photos, they may not look up other legal cases, etc…

        I was told this would be a CLEAR rule violation.

        For example, the jury cant go home, log into home depots web site and get a list of manufacturers that make shelving, then go to the shelving companies web site to get the “weight rating” of an individual shelf. However a juror can make arguments based on what they say they know, for example if a shelf builder happened to be on the jury, he can make comments based on what he thinks. The other jurors can chose to believe him or not.

        However, I do believe that they can request these things from the judge, as long as it does not introduce NEW evidence. So, for example, the above example would be denied, as it would bring in new evidence that was not brought up in trial, but asking for a urban dictionary definition of “tossing salad” would be allowed.

      • Here’s what the “Admonition” says about that

        “Once this trial has begun you are to determine the facts of this case only
        from the evidence that is presented in this courtroom. Arizona law prohibits a juror from
        receiving evidence not properly admitted at trial. Therefore, do not do any research or make
        any investigation about the case on your own. Do not view or visit the locations where the
        events of the case took place. Do not consult any source such as a newspaper, a dictionary,
        a reference manual, television, radio or the Internet for information. If you have a question
        or need additional information, submit your request in writing and I will discuss it with the
        attorneys”

        So they can’t do anything. But do they? That’s another question altogether.

        • Thank you! That is what I wondered.

          I find it crazy considering how the prosecution twists and hides information.

          I don’t think I would ever be chosen for a jury because I have a bad attitude about the process now.

          Bless people on juries…

          Scary for anyone being tried with a jury…as we know, there are some ignorant people out there. I think a jury of peers should be people of the same background with similar IQ’s.

    • The jury can handle this. I would not post here with the intention of engaging the jury. My wish is for the system to work as it is designed to. We have the opportunity to voice our opinions in this new media but we have to be mindful, like journalists, of what we are doing. There are boundaries. This case will always be a bit mysterious. In fifty years it will still be talked about in law schools and referenced in general conversation. And songs will be written about Jodi’s choice to see him again after getting free…..it’s all quite sad and yet I think Jodi’s error in not being able to resist Travis and vice-versa will end up being mistakes that many, many young people can learn from. Not to mention this case will open up more dialogue about domestic abuse after the deniers quiet down. I’m going to take a nap now. Tired from reading so many comments, though they are certainly edifying.

      • Right, well said.

        The whole process from Jodi’s naivete, to investigation, to arrest, to trial has been one long catalogue of mistakes.

        The main thing is to learn from them. Some things : the Maricopa County Attorney’s office needs to be reformed, the death penalty should go and young people should be taught about domestic violence, prisoners showing signs of mental disorder should be given a psychiatric help…

        Probably another 50 other lessons to be learnt as well.

  132. I have a question about the ME autopsy report.Under the neck section it says,The upper airway is traumatized but ???.What is that word?…Goodmorning to everyone.

    • it says traumatized but patent. In medical terms this means open/unblocked.

      Kind of obtuse, but there you have it.

      • Andy Dufresne: You know that wouldn’t matter. With Tommy’s testimony I can get a new trial.

        Warden Samuel Norton: That’s assuming Blatch is still there. Chances are excellent he’d be released by now.

        Andy Dufresne: Well they’d have his last known address, names of relatives. It’s a *chance*, isn’t it.

        [Norton shakes his head]

        Andy Dufresne: How can you be so obtuse?

        Warden Samuel Norton: What? What did you call me?

        Andy Dufresne: Obtuse. Is it deliberate?
        Obtuse…. reminds me of a great line in a great movie….

        Warden Samuel Norton: Son, you’re forgetting yourself.

        Andy Dufresne: The country club will have his old time cards. Records, W-2s with his name on them. Sir, if I ever get out, I’d never mention what happens here. I’d be just as indictable as you for laundering that money.

        [Norton slaps the table]

        Warden Samuel Norton: Don’t you ever mention money to me again, you sorry son of a bitch! Not in this office, not anywhere!

  133. For all the folks who have questions about bullet wounds and such

    Here are some links:

    This is an FBI manual on handgun wounding

    http://www.firearmstactical.com/pdf/fbi-hwfe.pdf

    And a gem from that document that clearly contradicts the god Dr. Horn

    “Kinetic energy does not wound. Temporary cavity does not wound. The much discussed “shock” of bullet impact is a fallacy and “knock down” power is a myth. ”

    Here’s another

    http://webzoom.freewebs.com/balisticaterminal/Physiological_effects_handgun_bullets_Newgard.pdf

    • Beecee…that is an interesting study. I got this link from the same website.

      CONCLUSIONS: Inexpensive, short-barreled .25-caliber handguns were the most common weapon type associated with firearm homicides and suicides in Milwaukee during 1990 through 1994
      http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8531285

      I’ll bet those stats have really changed a lot in the last 20 years…

    • If so I wonder if the arrest, in and of itself, would be grounds for dismissal. Seems like there would have to be another related reason to parlay that into a dismissal. Possibly interaction with the criminal justice system as a defendant?

      • Maybe, if it is true, because they are not allowed to tell that they are serving on a specific jury. At least, I don’t think they are. Maybe one of legal minded people on here might be able to say.

        • If he was in fact arrested for DUI and told the cop he was on this jury there are all kinds of issues, including the two mentioned above, including the fact that the County Attorney would have to prosecute him, which raise an inherent conflict of interest.

          I think both sides would be clamoring for him to be dismissed.

  138. This break until Wednesday most definitely helps the defense. This gives the surrebuttal psychologist plenty of time to interview Jodi to knock down Demarte’s testimony…

    • That could also be a reason behind the big long break.

      I wonder if the defense has any more motions they have submitted. Anyone know?

      I know their Rule 20 motion was denied (that’s the directed verdict). Fortunately the judge did that in chambers. Sometime they’ll do that in open court and in front of the jury, which is not good.

  139. I posted this earlier. When I first watched it I was half asleep. Here is JM in action at a clemency hearing. You will hear familiar words although the trial is not compared to Jodi’s. I do not live in AZ so I am not familiar with the laws there. JM starts about 20 minutes into the video. In the past he has been accused of misconduct but has never been reprimanded to my knowledge.

    The way he is on this video is the way we will see his final closing. He is not yelling here.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDQuXm505bs

  140. I really hope that no matter how the verdict goes down, that there’s already a plan in place to keep Jodi and her family and everyone involved with the defense safe and away from yahoos. 🙁

  141. OK this is what I think happened someone gave the Hughes proof that travis molested there oldes son and they asked there son was this true and he said yes this would have been motive now they are mad and plan the revenge on travis they probable knew about the gun being stolen from the grandparents house because of the statements by dan hall and others that called jodi the Hughes brother introduses jodi to ryan and they envite her to be at his house on the 4th but jodi went to travis house instead and all hell broke loose the intruders had hoods on they were suprised that jodi was there they knew she was to be with ryan if chris and sky were the ones in the house or they had someone else do it. they shot travis and knock her out when she comes too she is confronted by them have to go back to her story of the intruders now they let her go she goes to ryans and he and dan hall meet her at a restraunt or meeting but before she is ready to leave she is asked to go 4 wheeling this is the chance to kill her but she say I have to work and does not then they fix her lic plate and the cop stops her rayan is in back of her when this happen then she gets home and mom says people are calling saying she is crazy and needs treatment. she is envited to go camping get a 9mm gun but does not go another attemp to kill her she tell her dad she has to leave needs to protect herself and her family now the 911 call travis is found 5 days later why my have been using drugs zac says he only had 45 mins of sleep the smell the flores report breakdown about the roommates the house is open door policy and the cover up is on the way for 5 days a mentions of computer broken someone shows up at the house with a lab top to point jodi out with a photo Dustin also arives also Dan hall was called by the hughes to ask about travis oh lets not forget chris call him and he returns the call back why??? and more and more and flores is told jodi did it why to cover up the real killers the hughes are on the cancun trip so they say they were already in cancun or were they only have to talk on the phone while everyone goes into the jodi did it then flores gets the ashley reed saying her husband knew or may have done it then changed her mind then the flores report and all the stuff we know now with the breakdown that something was a foot sherlock holmes was not in charge I can go on and on but this is what happens next she tells matt what happened to her at travis house and he was with her for 2 yrs then flores calls jodi then before he can call the second time she tells us that dan hall the gun tootin ass called her and spoke to her before flores called the second time flores knew about ashley reed what did he know about her jodi is in jail for a while with the story of the intruders untll something happened oh ashleys death and 4 months latter her story then Dr Samules trys to tell her to change her story she does but is cought by JM with well she filled out the paperwork with the intruder story. and Matt must have gotten a call from dan hall to shut him up he has wife and kids and he told jodi to leave him out of it and she did. you can find out what he said here but you have to go back to jan i think he changed because someone must have threaten matt or his family would be hurt jodi’s family was getting threats too her sister said someone said some really bad things to her daughter or that is what I read and to the self defence it was not from travis yes the abuse of the bull shit that came out in trial but the abuse she took from chris and sky hughes remember she told the jury that she said her sister was stupid because she was on drugs and in an abusive relationship and jodi was in the same with travis but he was killed for touching someones kid sexually and that is what killed him that is why she told the story of travis masterbating to little boy picture if he did not get it from the computer he got it from chris and sky hughes house he was always spending the nite with them and if he snuck in to see jodi and have sex with her he could have done the same to the hughes kid well that is what I think and the cards said and god showed me on easter sunday and I will hope that god will help her find a way to prove my theory on this someone will talk or something will point in that direction the trial has done everything to keep the hughes out of this and she is being railroaded to the DP has to happen to keep her from talking just hope no one kills her before that happens if you think im an on to something lets talk about it because the way this trail is now there is no way she can get a fair trial I know this is all out of wack but its the best way I can say it Im not good at writing but I bet jodi can do a better job when she gets the chance. so for the new people who come to watch or the ones that want answers this is the place to come there are a lot of things at the top to click on and watch and hear and see you just have to spend the time to do it. and if you have questions there are a lot of people here who can answer you. my only wish is that the time the jury has off they are not following the rules like the JM and flores and the killers and are reading this and all our comments and can give jodi a fair trial but if they are just watching HLN then there with all the other haters out there 🙄 🙄 I love to roll the eyes just like the sisters of travis how are up to no good again $$$$ hungery and filling the internert with hate for jodi they will owe her an appology when the discover the truth and all the lies that flores has told and left out of this trial his day is comming too hang in there jodi if you read this we are waiting for justice to be served.

  142. Real quick questions-And these may have already been answered but If Jodi colored her hair dark on 3Jun,then why/how was it what I would call a light red color on 4Jun,when it was braided, and they claim the pics on the camera are from the 4th? Her hair is NOT the same color on the 4th,as what they are saying it was on the 3rd. Second,I watch someone named Janine the human lie detector lady on Dr Drew. Weeks ago she talked about when you answer a yes/no question, but you nod your head opposite of how you’re answering. When Deanna was on the stand and Nurmi asked her if Travis yelled at her or called her names,AND when he asked her if Travis said he was physically abused, she said NO, but she nodded her head YES, AND Travis’ siblings looked worried like she was going to say “Yes,Travis’ was physically abused,not just neglected. I watched it more than once, and it was quite obvious she nodded yes,but said No, AND that day, Janine was NOT on Dr Drew.

    • My point of that is, I think Deanna LIED on the stand regarding whether Travis ever yelled at her or called her names. I think he DID,and that shows a pattern, and that would prove what Jodi said happened.

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