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Jodi Arias Trial – Day 21 (Afternoon session)

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    • What is going on with this magazine message….? Why didn’t Martinez ask her if she wrote the message or why? Seems he was leading up to something but now the jury must have in thier head she is sending secret messages when she never admitted….This is my first time on here but have been following the trial for a while. The theory I see going around on here about her not doing this crime has been a question in the back of my mind as well. But wasnt he suppose to be on a trip with that other girl…the girl who says she is perfect….never allowed travis to date her that is. But what would make Jodi so scared of someone to go on the stand and say she did something she didn’t do? Or had help doing. Ive been on the stand before and let me tell you it’s so scary and nerve racking…I was the prosecuter side and my ex was the defendent and i had a restraining order against him that he was fighting along with custody of our daughter and let me tell you his lawyer was just like Martinez.. I had a hard time remembering a date and he said..im sorry mam do you have problems with your memory…crazy. Any ways back to the matter at hand.

      • The magazines contained secret messages (written on various pages with a page decoder in another magazine) that Jodi was trying to get out of the jail and what seems like Martinez is leading to is that this magazine message was intended for Matt McCartney (Jodi’s ex). Martinez started this whole thing asking or telling Jodi that she asked someone to lie about the alleged pedophilia. And now, apparently, it’s been confirmed by a news source that Matt McCartney DID have involvement in these supposed pedophilia confessions that he allegedly “wrote” on paper to Jodi (photocopies of the letters were presented by Jodi years ago).

        Question – was it discovered in court only this past Thursday that Jodi went to visit Matt on one leg of the death roadtrip or have we known that all along based on her direct testimony with Nurmi? I don’t recall hearing her mention Matt when she talked about all of her roadtrip destinations for that trip, so this was news to me that she slept on his and his roommates floor.

        Martinez is going to continue with all those loose ends that he started on Thursday and get back to the significance of the magazine letters. At the very least, from the perspective I can see in just presenting this – it makes Jodi look sneaky and certainly does seem like she was attempting to, at the very least, “influence” someone’s story – but not sure to what degree.

        I know everyone’s praising Jodi’s composure upon cross but honestly, it didn’t look good for her how she now is this confident person challenging the Prosecution, and add in her smirks and stifled laugh versus the person we saw on the stand for 8 days prior basically stating she was afraid of the man who, in essence, “raped” her, beat her, and she still had sex with him after she caught him with her own eyes masturbating to pictures of little boys and doesn’t even say in her diary “Travis and I are having some problems that we’re dealing with”. of course nobody has to be specific in their diaries but a diary is a place of honesty and to vent to yourself. She ended one of those diary entries stating she loves him (enter victims full name here). The texts following the alleged pedophilia incident that day do not indicate that a thing was wrong between them. Not even a generic one from Travis like “look, please don’t be mad at me”…or SOMETHING. They were very generic, non-threatening or scared e-mails on both of their parts. Nothing in those e-mails gave me an indication that there was any kind of problem that went down just hours before or the day before (forget which day which event happened).

        It’s not looking good for her. I could be wrong. But it seems like her lies and deceit are being exposed – except Martinez is doing it in a way that looks bad for him, as if he’s fumbling and getting flustered but I believe it’s to trip her up and NOT go in order that events actually took place. if someone’s telling the truth, their story will have no inconsistencies. Her memory was superb up until Death-Day. Things are no longer adding up to me. Just my opinion.

        • And further to my point about her change in demeanor – last week whenever she had to talk about sexual encounters, she spoke of them in a low almost ashamed voice, head down. Fast forward to when Martinez asked her if her relationshiip and sex were stressful with Travis – she responded as a very confident, sexually assertive woman when she replied something to the effect “Not all of the sex was bad, I enjoyed a lot of it” (sorry, I don’t remember her exact words and can’t find that exact line at the moment). I noticed the change in the shape of her eyes on cross day compared to how they’ve been for her entire direct…she had slight eyebrow lift and that displays a totally different facial expression that she didn’t have for her direct. I have to by what I see. We’re not on the jury so it’s not up to us to make the decisions but she can’t believe that having this new attitude towards Martinez is helping her case. She should have remained consistent in her demeanor to make it more believeable. I think she lost a lot of believers from that alone.

          • On another but similar note, regarding this secret message in the magazine which may come out that it was intended for Matt McCartney? Does anyone know what his original words were back then to her attorneys that contradicts what she was saying? Is there a transcript of this? How did he “fuck up?” according to Jodi’s secret message? If his statements aren’t public yet, I’m guessing it will be told when Martinez gets back to that whole issue come Monday – I’m just very curious about it now! lol.

          • I agree with you, Cathy.

            She looked like she was enjoying it way too much, sparring with Martinez. Very STARK contrast btw how she was 8 days on direct and how she was on cross. Meek, victimized – now appearing too cute by half in her repartee, like she is uber pleased with herself, winning over the room. She had better be careful, because she is probably used to speaking with mostly supportive people, given her circumstances (jail mates, family, friends, attorneys)

            I loathe the death penalty for ethical reasons, and think it sucks that anyone has that hanging over their heads and is put to death by it. Even just on a practical level, the DP screws with what truth we do manage to eek out in court proceedings. So it makes it hard to criticize the tricks and bs coming from her when she is up against the actual victim of legal premeditated murder by the state of Arizona, if she gets the death penalty, which I very much doubt she will.

            That said, I think a lot of things look bad for her, very bad. I disliked her description of the actual homicide with a lot of very suspect elements (alleged handy gun in closet) and the big glaring black memory hole of everything except the gun shot, not even intentional, according to her.

            I find the evidence in her diary btw Jan 20th and Jan 24th, including the lack of any mention of Travis masturbating to boy pics on the 21st and kicking and breaking her finger on the 22nd, to be very fishy, as well as the notion that nobody noticed a broken finger, no medical attention necessary, that she could still work as a waitress with it, no complaints, no problems.

            She claims she made some sort of personal vow to never say anything negative about Travis, not even in her diary. Even if we give her that as truth at that time, those were such stunning and upsetting events that you’d think she would have at least written something like, “Cant go into it, but things have been very bad the past few days.” “Cant say why, but I am devastated by recent events” etc. Instead, we get a chirpy little entry about how there is nothing noteworthy since last entry and she is going on outings, wants to go on ski trip w/friends (not to ski herself, I know) to enjoy the snow, etc.

            There are so many things piling up that are off here.

          • Mira wrote: “Even just on a practical level, the DP screws with what truth we do manage to eek out in court proceedings. So it makes it hard to criticize the tricks and bs coming from her … ”

            I agree with this, Mira. With the possibility of the death penalty darkly hanging over the proceedings, I’m skeptical about how much both sides are bending and manipulating the truth. I suppose it’s always this way with cases like this, but since I’ve never watched a trial so closely before, I’m disturbed by it.

            It’s difficult, but I try to imagine if it were my brother killed by his girlfriend. Surely I’d want to see her punished, surely I’d not be happy to hear evidence that he was an abuser, but, I would think that the truth would still mean something. That the truth would help me to understand and process my loss. Perhaps this is idealistic. But if a trial, with its high stakes, is set up to ensure that there’ll be yet another victim–the truth–where is the justice in that?

        • I believe he was a jerk to her, humiliated her and abused her. I am afraid however, “The woman scorn” is not enough. Now, with the cross and her behavior and demeanor. I loved it, her staying right with him (on a,You go girl thing!) but, I agree Cathy. She has hurt herself. She is snarky and not the abused victim that I cried for but, I still do not think she will get the DP. I do know she will be in prison a very very long time. I also wonder if this is how she behaved with Travis, this “Hyper Literal” person as she called herself. It is annoying. Jodi, where have you gone. perhaps she is sick of abusive men and is just standing up for her self with the little guy. Will the jury realize this? I fear for her. I cant stand TA…UGH

          • Thanks, itsjustme. She certainly is, isn’t she?!

            I’ve been thinking, about her personality and communication style, that there’s a dash of something Aspergers-like in the mix. Not saying she fits that syndrome–I’m not trying to diagnose. Just noticing that many people are on this continuum, and that their odd behaviour, even if very mild, is easily misunderstood.

            Just a thought …

          • I think she dislikes juan and is having a hard time not showing it. As far as hyper literal, we sometimes refer to that as being “anal” right?

          • Yes, naturally she dislikes him, but she was also hyper-literal during direct examination. There are so many examples. Such as (paraphrasing): “He didn’t hit me in the face. I moved my head to the side, and he hit me in my cheek and neck area.”

          • Mira – I don’t see an option to reply directly below the post you directed to me, so it’s appearing below that in someone else’s response – lol. Thanks…you said a lot more in there that I agree with. You never know what makes these juries vote one way over another but in my opinion, she is not looking good right now. I never thought Travis was always the nicest person to her…but I believe they probably started out with a genuine interest in each other but somewhere along the way he wanted it to be only a F-buddy relationship with real friendship activities involved (afterall, they did spend a lot of time together as friends), but in the end, she allowed herself to continue that relationship. I am of the belief now that she became very bitter over time and it was just a build-up of anger and hurt. Nothing at all indicates he hit her – she has to say these things because it’s the only way to get in that self-defense plea. I looked again at all the timestamped shower photos….and there was one photo right after he had his back to her (when he was leaning on the wall) – in the very next picture he had a look on his face as if she suprised him. It’s so hard to grasp how all of what followed went down in such a short period of time and I still wonder if she had someone there with her…I always felt that she had a guy there with her (perhaps his own roommate – was she sleeping with him too?? or perhaps this Matt McCartney – perphaps he met her there and snuck in per her instruction to come in when Travis was in the shower??? – we will probably never know the truth…but I just can not believe anymore this was self-defense. Who knows, maybe some more testimony will come into play to make me change my mind – I really try to remain open-minded and objective but if she had stuck with her “direct” demeanor, I might have believed her but it’s just very hard with that whole 180 she did. I look forward to court tomorrow!

          • I see Jodi’s tendency towards “hyper literal” being exacerbated by the nature rigid questioning in court–made even more rigid and unforgiving by Martinez style.

            In a normal conversation, no one is asking you to say “just yes or just no”. Like when Juan asked Jodi if that was her voice on the recording. She said it’s mine AND Travis’. Juan got mad. I didn’t ask if it was his.

            It’s obvious he was asking “was the female voice yours”, but when such exacting questioning is going on, and you’re under legal obligation to get it right, she didn’t want to later be accused of saying BOTH voices were hers, so she clarified that it was hers AND Travis’.

            I don’t think she was really in fear of later being accused of identifying Travis’ voice as her own, but being on edge and having to be so exacting and crystal clear, etc. really incapacitates being able to articulate.

          • I am very conflicted about Jodi. My first reaction to the murder was, “He had it coming.” I still believe that. He used a young woman who obviously admired him to the point that she joined his church. It angers me to listen to the talk of what a good, religious person he was. He was a hypocritical pervert in my opinion.

            Martinez is a skilled attorney, but he is a smart a**. I believe that Jodi couldn’t remember what happened when Travis was killed. Trauma can certainly erase memory. I remember once when I was in a terrible car wreck and couldn’t remember the details after it was over.

            I wish that Jodi could be released for time served and required to get psychiatric counseling for two years. She has a lot to offer the world if society will give her the chance.

  2. Are they on lunch break right now? Sorry I can’t tune in at work. I just get to read posts about it so far…

        • he is terrible a ass ??? if u know what mean, jodi we support you , all we need is one juror to agree , he tries to put words in her mouth and wongive her a minute to speak u go girl

  5. Somewhere in the testimony yesterday, Jodi said Detective Flores is a Mormon. I must have missed that part.
    Why is this relevant?

        • The LDS religion is not a cult.

          And she wasn’t saying Flores was a Mormon, she was stating the didn’t say what Travis did because HE was a Mormon.

          When people heard “HE is a Mormon” they jumped on the Flores is LDS bandwagon.

          • “she was stating the didn’t say what Travis did because HE was a Mormon.”

            Sorry, Pyromie, what are you saying here?

          • Sorry, Mistyped.

            “she was stating that she didn’t say what Travis did because HE was a Mormon.”

            She was talking to Martinez about talking to Flores and said she didn’t say what Travis did because Travis was a Mormon, but she didn’t say Travis, she said “He”.

          • Gotcha. Thanks for the info. I think many of us had the misunderstanding that Flores was Mormon …

          • Oh. I thought she said Detective Flores was a Mormon. Okay that makes sense now. She didn’t want to tell Dectective Flores sexual things about TA because TA was a Mormon. Got it.

          • It makes sense, he could even be brought as far as to be excommunicated if she revealed their true relationship prior to his death, and even in death, she wanted to keep his name pure. She loved him.

            I practice the old saying “Speak no ill of the dead, for they’ve paid their dues.” and she might just do the same, (Not a fact, just an opinion, of course). It would help the defenses argument as to why she didn’t reveal his destructive and despicable nature prior to the pre-trial interviews.

    • Did she know he was Mormon at the time of the interrogation or learned that later? When asked by her attorney if she told Dec Flores anything about the sex in their relationship. She said she didn’t because Dec Flores was Mormon and it would be embarrassing for her to share that info with him. Personally I don’t know why if it hepled her self-defense case.

  6. all the talking heads are saying bc she never wrote in her journal about the abuse, pedo stuff etc… she is lying. and they are trying to say that her handwriting in her journal is perfect i.e. entries written after the date the injury occured

    being totally unbias and i will say marty is doing BAD

        • As a female, I found the entire line of cross about the journal to be a major waste of time. Not sure how males use journals, but for females, it is a totally idiosyncratic thing. I found it weird for him to spend that much time on this, as in “What? Don’t you have something more important to ask about other than things *not* included in her journal?”

          • Virginia, I agree with you completely about the journal. It’s a personal journal so therefore a person can choose to write whatever they want to or not write whatever they feel is inappropriate to put down in a journal. Personally I just don’t see how she could have pulled this crime off by herself. The guy outweighed her by 80 lbs. or more. I can’t explain the gun but I don’t think she is physically capable of doing that much damage with a knife. Someone bigger and stronger did that deed.

    • Just because it is not written does not mean it is not true…………..This whole thing has me outraged !I have been watching from the very beginning……………Hang in there JA……

    • Usually you write “noteworthy” things in a journal plus the mundane. The prosecution was right in saying if she did see TA doing something lurid that would stand out in her mind and memory. She would be emotionally floored and hurt. She would have written it down. She would have easily remembered the date and time. Because when something extraordinary horrible or really good happens it heightens the persons sense of excitment/awareness, therefore imprinting the event in the persons brain. It’s just the basic way the brain works. It’s nothing out of the ordinary.

    • What I think was interesting is the lack of ANY entry for those 4 days. That might point to the fact that something VERY significant was going on in her life that was “not noteworthy to report” because she was distracted by the event for several days. Then she journals again and the entry is very short perhaps indicating that she stil has not had time to gather her thoughts and make another long journal entry like the 5 page one of the 20th. I doubt she would put in there ecxactly what she is alleging anyway. She does not say “nothing noteworthy happened,” She says nothing “noteworthy to report”. BIG difference.

      I hope the defense looks at it from this angle and brings it out when rehabbing her after cross. I wonder if going four days without any entries is unusual or not and if the entry of the 24th and subsequent entries are also unusually short.

      On a different note, I also think one of the things removed from her bag on the trip that made the bag “too heavy” was most likely her journal. She did say they were not all “makeup”. The journal she has appears to add a couple pounds because of the heavier cover. Most likely the guys did not understand th journaling. I am a guy and never journal, but both my sisters did and one still does and she is over 40.

  7. The more I read the police reports and information regarding his roomate I think he had something to do with this. His girlfriend was gone for a few days so he was “house sitting” and I find it hard to believe that he didn’t notice Travis’s ring sitting on the counter, or the doggie gate up, or the smell, the fact travis’s cell phone was in the den which is located downstairs in the house…There are way to many things for a roomate not to notice or be suspicious of, I don’t care how close they were or not…It doesn’t add up that he knew nothing and stayed in that house for days with Travis murdered in the next room…doesn’t make sense…

    • I agree Jen, it’s really, really weird. Maybe I am a snoop- but wet walls and carpets with evident blood would prrrrooooobably get me thinking…

      • Yea and also he was the one to go get the key to the bedroom when the other friends came over to check on him. He told the officer that he occasionally entered his room to get medicine and stuff. If you noticed that
        1. Your roomates car was outside
        2. The Dog is being kept out of the upstairs by a gate which you’ve never witnessed since living there.
        3. You roomates ring he never leaves without is sitting on the counter downstairs
        4. He doesn’t answer text messages.
        5. There is a decomposing body laying in a shower upstairs that makes the whole house stink.

        Wouldn’t you just out of curiousity go check to be sure his bags and personal bathroom stuff is in fact gone? I mean I’ve lived with roomates and I always minded my own business, we weren’t very close but If I knew my roomate needed to be somewhere and I saw her car, purse and everything still there and her door shut, I would knock and then enter her room to be sure everything was OK. Just to give myself piece of mind…I don’t see how you couldn’t do that. I just can’t get over the smell that must have been in that house, for them not to even realize…it’s soooo odd.

        • I had a 20 lb possum (yes possum) die in the wall of my house one time. Within 24 hrs, the stink was UN-BEARABLE — the critter was removed within 36 hrs – the stink remained for weeks — had to leave – just ready to gag. 3,000 sq. ft. house. You could smell it outside. — Roommates of boyfriend in college let electricity get cut off – 5 days later, meat in fridge (maybe 15 lbs) smelled so bad to go in had to wear masks – that spoiled meat was inside a sealed up fridge. Car out there; cell phone in den; otherwise just me there? Ummm…I would have been wondering what was up right away even if I could care less about the particular roommate.

          • Virginia- For a minute I thought you were implying that the possum became meat that was kept in the fridge after it died. =D

            Took me a minute but now I get what you’re saying

        • Jen- Zack’s day off from work was on Wednesday June 4th. He was home in the morning, perhaps did laundry at some point(he changed his laundry story 3 times) returned a rental car at some point and returned home. He was home from 3:00-4:00 pm. Yet, he says he did not see anyone at the house or any “unusual” cars. With the timeline of events from that day wouldn’t 3:00 pm – 4:00 pm put Travis and Jodi in the office looking at pictures and the first fight. Yet, he notices nothing?? Hmmmm……very strange.

      • Correct me if I’m wrong, but it’s my understanding that all the wetness and blood was behind a locked door: his bathroom, hall, and bedroom were all connected but behind a locked door.

        And although there was some blood on the washing machine, if roommates didn’t notice the smell, they certainly wouldn’t have cared about a little blood on the washer.

    • Did you know that his roommate moved out because they didn’t get along? I wonder if this is the same roommate that was telling Lisa D that Travis was cheating? And the same one who kind of set up Jodi walking in on Lisa D?

        • Is there any actual evidence re: tire-slashing? What I’ve read is that TA told roommates this but not that anyone saw them. Any new tire receipts? If I was a tire-guy who lived there, you bet I’d be going through the records.

          • Yeah, or even checking TA’s credit or debit card purchases for new tires…. as well as the gf who supposedly had her tires slashed too

    • I’ve actually read a few posts on pro-pros sites that suggests the roommate is in on it and Jodi is covering for him. You aren’t alone in these thoughts.

      • I posted this before, but I will post it again: Although I tend to be on the side of the defense in cases like this (knowing what goes on behind the scenes and how what ends up in trial is often just the bare tip of the iceberg). So, I try to think of physical facts alone as much as possible. I don’t care if you almost have 6-pack abs. If you are 5’6″ and weigh 115-120 lbs. there is no way to overpower man with muscles like that–probably no way to overpower man a couple inches taller weighing around 160 with NO muscles. In a fight like that, it is size (weight) and strength (muscles). I don’t believe it. If you see the film of TA shooting the rifle, his body just absorbs the aftershock. Forensics say he was shot after being stabbed. Sure, she could shoot him, but I haven’t heard about any gun expertise on her part. Knife? S-O-R-R-Y. Unless killed by the first stab wound, that knife would have been out of her hands so fast, she would not have stood a chance. With both a knife and a gun available, it is really hard to believe she could have done all that and at the most, left with a broken finger/cut finger and maybe a few cuts on her hand. The guy was a wrestler. There is a punching bag in the living room. If a woman ever stabbed a man like that in the back, he would have been around so fast and on top of her with the knife taken away – a matter of split seconds. Jodi might be able to beat me up, but TA? There is just no way. A slit throat is the mark of a street-smart person. Women do not typically do things like that even in the heat of passion. Totally out of character–the whole thing. She is way too smart and articulate to pre-meditate a murder leaving that much of a mess and potentially making that much noise. Something is very up.

    • You know sometimes lawyers convince people to say stuff that is not true to make the case easier to win. Does anyone think it could have been the roomate and Jodi is just taking the blame? If she admits to the crime and says self defense then she may get off if she denies it and is found guilty than the punishment is worst usually????

  9. Notice how prunepuss asked them not to talk over eachother??? She asked the same thing when Gus was up. hhhhmmmm maybe she needs to talk to Fartniez about that!

    • Bystander,

      Do you perceive she is smiling during this or is this how she looks most of the time when not sad.

      • I think she thinks she thinking he is crazy………she appears to be smiling at some of antics. But, that is just my take on it. She is really holding her own –

      • I kind of feel like she’s smiling to herself as though “Wow, this man is an idiot!”. (Martinez being the man)

        Why does Martinez think everything is black & white? He is ridiculous! Ever heard of ambivalence, Martinez??

          • If you read the site at all, you’d KNOW people here aren’t engaging in “black and white” thinking.

          • “Why have so many people in this country lost their open-mindedness, reason and common sense?”

            Good question…go to the ten million pro-prosecution boards filled with people who want to burn Jodi at the stake for being an evil temptress who killed an innocent virgin and ask them.

        • Maija Vesa-
          I actually don’t recall everyone saying that Travis is ‘evil’ or ‘deviant’. There may have been some people here and there (idk?) but not so much that it stands out to me. As far as him being abusive- I’ll agree that it’s a common consensus on this site, but not EVERYONE feels the same way. It’s NOT black & white. Go to the State Vs Jodi Arias (Travis Alexander) site and I’m sure you’ll feel better about their comments. We like to DISCUSS things here, throw ideas & opinions back & forth, talk about our thoughts and feelings, and even talk about legalities. In my opinion this site is not black & white. And of course Martinez can be “black & white” with his approach if he wants! I personally don’t think it’s helping him at this point though and that is MY opinion.

          • Many of our opinions vary and differ day to day with each new piece of evidence that comes out. NO ONE but TA and Jodi will truly know what happened that day and I don’t think any of us are saying we KNOW every fact. Try going back and reading our comments as this trial has gone on. We each have our own theories. Some of our theories have changed as we’ve seen more and more of the trial. Pretty sure most of us are here because we are open-minded. That doesn’t mean we can’t support Jodi. Some of us can relate to her story. Many of us are here because we want justice.

          • I think the problem relates to the name of the site (as well as some very black n white type thinkers, although not all) “Jodi Arias is innocent”… until and unless proven guilty. It seems some here think there is nothing that could prove her guilty, that the phrase ends at “innocent.” That’s not being open-minded about the case. And some are downright mean about Travis. The phone call proved that he was also entangled with her, it wasnt just her going after him, as the friends tended to paint it. So that was good for her side… but not nearly enough. She has a lot to overcome. Still. An open mind by those who are predisposed to strongly support her is advised.

        • Jodi laughs after saying “I forget things when men like you and Travis Alexander yell at me”. If you listen close you will hear Martinez whisper “mama” and this is what makes Jodi laugh and why defense objects with such anger

        • The line of questioning was so absurd—she was answering but it just kept going—NOWHERE, i.e., him practically screaming things like, “YOU MEAN, BECAUSE YOU DID NOT WRITE ABOUT THIS IN YOUR JOURNAL, YOU EXPECT US TO ACTUALLY BELIEVE IT COULD HAVE HAPPENED????” with her wanting to say, “Um, yah…..I pick and choose what I write about in my journal just like everyone else”—EXCEPT THAT he spent about 20 mins. building to this point of total irrelevance? It would have been hard for me not to laugh. It’s okay if she’s a smartass. Even Smart/Smartass Women can find themselves in bad relationships—“motive” is further and further escaping me.

    • Geez hes driving me crazy! Grasping at straws, asking a specific question, then generalizing, pacing back and forth in front of her, and the less then effective questions trying to impeach her? This is stupid. She would say the braids were hot to travis. She wanted to please him.

  17. Martinez is trying to put words in her mouth. But she is holding strong! Martinez is trying to trip her up. Martinez acts like emotions are black and white – – we are HUMAN there are lots of shades of gray! Hope the jury sees throught his BS.

    • YES! I just commented above about Martinez’s ‘black & white” attitude. WTF.

      Ambivalence! Heard of it? Geez Martinez

      Why in the world would he think that journals disclose EVERYTHING that anyone does?

    • I’ve been walking around the house singing, “Tootsie Pops and Pop Rocks! Tootsie Pops and Pop Rocks!” That was funny as HECK!! No way to say it 10 times fast. Martinez really got twisted up trying to say it fast and mean. LOL

  19. lol

    ,fruitful  [froot-fuhl]
    Part of Speech: adjective
    Definition: productive
    Synonyms: abounding, abundant, advantageous, beneficial, blooming, blossoming, breeding, childing, conducive, copious, effective, fecund, fertile, flourishing, flush, fructiferous, gainful, plenteous, plentiful, profitable, profuse, proliferant, prolific, propagating, reproducing, rewarding, rich, spawning, successful, useful, well-spent, worthwhile
    Antonyms: barren, impotent, sterile, unfruitful, unproductive .

    I do not see enjoyment. lol

  20. I’d love for Fartinez to get a pop rocks enema right about now. This man is out of his league with Jodi, she is much smarter than he is.

    • And, he is doing his best to make her look “stupid.” Seriiously, hooray for her for not letting him do that to her (!). You can be smart, good with words and beautiful and still end up in a weird snare with a man who would treat you that way.

    • The way he bounces around in the courtroom it appears he has already received a pop rocks enema!

  21. how many licks does it take to get to the center of a tootsie roll pop

    AS MANY AS IT DOES FOR MORON TO GET TO THE FUCKING POINT

    • Martinez is an ass. Jodi is throwing his **** right back at him. Go for it Jodi you don’t look dumb and stupid Martinez does. Everything he is bringing up is petty and has nothing to do with the case!!!!!

    • exactly! you don’t need to be a lawyer to know what a crime is and isn’t! We get taught right from wrong from our childhood! What a baffoon!

  25. Wow. I was dreading the cross, but Jodi is not giving him ANYTHING. Martinez is only succeeding in confusing himself. If they both keep going this way, this is going to turn out well for Jodi.

    • And I don’t know if she’s doing it intentionally, but she’s totally preventing him from getting any momentum to his questioning. I’m impressed.

      • I think she is just very literal (like she just said) and over-analyzes stuff. I’m the same way so JM is driving me crazy! He’s expecting her to answer in black & white terms but WILL NOT accept her freakin answer once she does!

    • I agree that he seems to be confusing himself. He sounds very flustered and redundant. Good job Jodi!

      • It all makes me think, “What is your case built on?” Things NOT in a journal? Particular sexual moments enjoyed vs. not? WHAT DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH ANYTHING??? Geez….

  26. I hate to make light of this but oh man, Jodi you’re awesome. She’s cracking me up. I imagine she’s very witty in real life…. lol.

  27. im sick of his sarcastic mocking questions,he’s being disrespectful ”do you have a memory problem?” ”are you a laywer?”

  28. We already KNOW they had sex so what is the point of this?? Fartinez’ suit looks too big for him. Reminds me of Tom Hanks in the movie Big. All of this talk of goodies now i’m in the mood for some Poppycock!

    • Apparently he has a fetish, obsession, or something with Poprocks & Tootsie Pops. lol Is he jealous or ‘getting off’ by thinking about it?

  32. What a tool! I’m not watching live because I’m not fully caught up on yesterday’s testimony yet, but I’m loving all of your comments!

    • Kira, you should just skip those for now and watch it LIVE. It’s quite the circus 🙂 Catch up on the others later

  33. Wow – “i didn’t ask you if that was Travis’ voice”. What a jerk. I really think he must be rubbing the jury the wrong way.

  34. so what the hell is Martinez trying to point out. Just because you don’t write in the journal doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen.

  36. I am laughing my ass off over here! This is so ridiculous. He is way out of his league with Jodi, Jodi with the GED! She is outsmarting him. He is fumbling, bumbling and tripping over his own words. Jodi you are GUILTY OF NOT WRITING IN YOUR DIARY EVERY DAY!!!!!!

  37. She is doing so well. Martinez is getting more and more frustrated. She is obviously out-witting him. While he is trying to out-wit her. Poor Martinez, this tactic won’t work on a woman with brains….

    • That occurred to me too, ECHIZZLE. Jodi is going to give Martinez a nervous breakdown before this is over. She is giving him Gus Searcy in a skirt, and Martinez can’t handle it.

  42. The condescension is going too far. I didn’t think he could get worse. I was wrong!

    I do think that JA should be a little less combative. I would advise her to slow down the pace of the questioning. M likes the fast pace. She should incorporate, “I’m sorry. I don’t understand your question. Are you asking. . . .?” That would also disrupt the pace.

    Seems like she was advised during the break to speak to the jury like she did during direct examination. That’s a good move.

    M’s exasperated antics have already worn thin. He needs to dial it down 6 notches if he wants to make headway.

    • Yes. The strategy is to take the testimony provided on direct and twist it. You get the witness tripped up on semantics. However, she is doing quite well. No one bats 1.000, but she is making M be clear about his questions before she answers.

    • Why would she call CPS based on a picture? She didn’t catch Travis actually molesting a child. CPS would never have taken that seriously; they can be slow to act on ACTUAL abuse.

      • What the hell would she tell CPS? “Uh hello my dude was getting off to a pic of a kid?” What the hell can they do? Cut his hands off? That is so stupid! Martinez needs to get to the F$%^&*! Point and quit wasting time on bullshit!! WTF is wrong with the judge with all of these overuled BS!

  48. my son died four years ago and i dont remember the time

    and i would love to tell this piece of shit…. I WAS UPSET WHEN MY 4 MONTH OLD DIED OF SIDS AND I DONT REMEMBER THE EXACT TIME U MOTHER FUCKER

    • summer i burst out crying reading ur comment.im so orry for your loss.i wish everybody understands how ridiculous what Martinez tries to prove is.

    • Summer- Obviously words do no justice, but I’m sorry you’ve had to go through that. I can’t even imagine…

    • Summer, I’m so sorry but know that so many of us remember some span when “time stood still” and we really sure of what was happening. After a traumatic event, the brain really does do things to protect the person’s basic functioning and sense of self.

  49. I notice sister/Carlsbad police Officer Samantha Alexander is not acting so smug and unprofessional today. Was she given a talking to?

  50. Nurmi should be objecting more: “Argumentative,” “Badgering the witness,” “The answer calls for speculation,” “The witness already said. . .” On the last one I wrote, it’s an opportunity for the defense attorney to kind of “testify” during the cross examination.

    • i agree but mayb he wants this bc it shows what an ass he is and mayb he hasnt handled this entire case in the appropriate manner

      i mean if he cant contain himself in a court room imaging behind doors………

      and the band played

      poprocks and tootsie roll pops……oooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhh aaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh

      • I guess he should object before JA starts “arguing” with M. That can work against her. However, M’s antics are over the top. She should not show disdain. Just let the jury feel their own disdain toward M. I’m not sure if that makes sense.

        • It does make sense, but it is *really* interesting to me to see Jodi letting herself be herself. This is *her* L-I-F-E on the line here — starting to remind me of a Salem Witch Trial — what is most important is not to let someone lead you to agree with something you don’t. Better to speak the truth and burn at the stake than to let the Inquisitor have his day.

  51. He is tripping over himself over and over. If he calmed down a little bit, he would be more effective. I’m glad he’s not calm though.

    • Exactly! Let him show his a$$. He gets angry quickly and it helps Jodi’s case because then he gets all flustered and starts reaching for straws and not making sense.

    • annieP,

      What time did you get on this blog? What time did you wake up this morning? what time did you read this question? Quick answers…what time please?
      This guy is a moron.

  53. Wow I don’t remember the specific time of any big event for much.. He’s kind of making himself look horrible by asking her questions in that manner.

  54. Rodent Martinez is asking open ended questions demanding that Jodi bind herself by answering in only ‘yes’ or ‘no’. His questions aren’t yes or no, they’re subjective & the Rodent knows it!

    • I wrote in the other thread about cross examination. Attorneys almost always ask close-ended questions on cross. It’s a way to control the narrative. You can’t ask them on direct examination. (You can, but it can be objected to as “Leading”).

      Her explanations will be provided on re-direct.

    • If business is slow, they will let you go home early. Even at Mcdonalds they have morning shifts where you come in at 4, 5, 6 and 8, and 9 a.m.

  57. So does everyone think that cross will last as long as direct did, or is Martinez going through his points quickly? I really don’t want to have to deal with him berating Jodi for a week and a half!

  61. OMG did you guys hear what Jodi had the courage to tell him to his face???? GO GIRL!!!!

    • I was glad Jodi responded as she did. This prosecutor is in a power struggle and is verbally very aggressive-a person on trial does not deserve insult and bullying. I have seen prosecutors, as well as defense lawyers, who can be very firm and strategic in getting info from people on the stand-but this prosecutor has a thug mentality and appears to have a small man Napolean complex and be looking for a fight. He appears to be a very angry man who needs to learn more professionalism in the courtroom. Jodi had the courage to speak out about what he represents but if the man continues this way his aggressive behavior will eventually catch up with him. He may find himself the subject of lawsuits or increasing legal complaints, etc. Aggressiveness behavior can work in the short-run but never really works in the long run.

  67. uuuhhh myyy god!! I CANT BLV THEYRE ARGUING BACK N FORTH!!! n the judge is letting this happen?! she shoiuld just say i cant remember everything because its normal!! OH YEAH!!1 She got him, her memory issues kick in when man LIKE YOU lol – thats real!!! Thats understandable, I get like that with my dad. All nervous, its wierd! Shes smirking but inside i know shes intimidated.

  71. She used the word scream…and Vinnie can’t even report it correctly when he said holler…

  72. I bet Kermit cannot believe that Jodi just said people like him or Travis yelling at her causes he to have problems with her memory……Martinez (FAIL)

    • Yep. Gus and Jodi don’t have to lie. Her absolute honesty that she has had on the stand is perfect! I think it’ll work to her benefit that she even corrected Nurmi when he questioned her. She’s trying to be as absolute as possible. Love it! Go Jodi

  75. BAM Kermit….I was hoping Jodi would bring up how Kermit’s antics affect her just like TA’s.

  76. That comeback of Jodi’s was priceless! Martinez is digging himself deeper and deeper in a hole of his own making. You know it’s bad when even some of the HLN pundits are commenting on how Martinez is yelling about things that just don’t matter in the long run instead of waiting until he has a major point to make and then being aggressive.

  78. HLN just showed a promo for JVM tonight

    title read..”the gloves are off” Arias vs martinez

    FLOAT LIKE A BUTTERFLY AND STING LIKE A BEE………ITS ON

    • I totally agree with JVM’s promo theme. In fact, I’ve been calling it “Ali vs. Frazier” the entire time. It’s a battle of wits, a test of wills, and Jodi is quite the smart & formidable contender. She’s making fun of him, smirking and stifling giggles when she knows she’s stung him.

      Martinez at times actually seems FLUSTERED. Don’t know who else he’s been dealing with, but so far, he has his hands full with Jodi Ann Arias!

      Let’s just hope she can stay strong and go the distance. But so far, he’s FAILED at trying to confuse and trap her. Arguing with Jodi is like Martinez riding a Slip ‘n Slide!

      I’m lovin’ it, but can clearly see she’d better be careful doing this. As much as I’m enjoying “The Jodi Show,” I’m also seeing she’s no punk. She’s not afraid to go toe-to-toe. This can possibly contradict the afraid/attacked/abused person her defense has presented her as.

  79. i cant blve they are saying

    ARIAS vs MARTINEZ…. the gloves are off

    on HLN, wow the tune has changed

    • My hubs is deployed I was just on the phone trying to explain this cross to him. You can’t use this form of interrogation on a woman with her level of intelligence. He keeps going around and around in circles. She has been correcting him over and over again.

  80. I love that Jodi’s mom AND her aunt have been there every single day. They’ve acted appropriately, never waivering….even under the circumstances. Props to them.

    • When Jodi talked about “Knowing she’d never be able to hear TA’s voice again…” I got teary-eyed. It was sad to hear that part.

      I noticed some tears on Jodi. It’s hard to see her hurting. The cop-sister was emotional too but very appropriate from what I saw. I feel for his family. Wonder what they thought/felt during that part of her testimony…

  83. ok i get that she’s the defendant .. he is the prosecutor , but come on she is a person too and that is no way to speak to a lady. she has not been convicted , he can ask questions instead of yell them at her

  86. Martinez really could have used a co-counsel to diffuse him a bit. I’m sure he’s way too arrogant to share his case though. Flores sitting at the table like a dumbass is the most that he’ll agree to.

    • I agree. Having co-counsel gives the impression of a “team” pursuing an action (prosecution). Only one attorney can potentially give an impression of a Napolean-like conquest. M’s actions solidify the Napolean impression. It looks like this is HIS vendetta — not a prosecution for justice.

  87. This won’t get published here, but as of yesterday, any support and compassion I had for the defendant is gone. She is a liar and remorseless. I look forward to her certain conviction. Juries don’t like lying smart asses who mock the justice system. She left him to rot in his shower stall for 5 days, while worrying about how others would think of her. Selfish to the core.

    She laughs in court. Enjoy your laughs while you can…

    • Go back to your pro-pros boards…no, we don’t keep comments like yours up. Read the guidelines.

    • And I call bullshit on your having compassion for Jodi until yesterday. You’ve hated her ever since you first heard Nancy Grace foaming at the mouth. Try again.

    • Laurel-

      You can have your opinions and we’ll have ours. I’m not going to argue with you (like Martinez). I’ll just say that we’ll see who’s celebrating when the trial is over– and not because of Travis’s death, but because of the final verdict.

    • Laurel, I would respectfully disagree. Yes, she is a liar. She admitted that. I am a liar too. I have never lied about my culpability in a crime, but I, too, am a liar. I suspect you have been a liar on occasion as well.

      I believe she has shown remorse. What she has shown is not going to pacify everyone. We all have our own unique experiences in life, which frame our expectations of others. You want to see more remorse. I get that. Others believe she has shown “adequate” remorse. Whatever “adequate” means.

      There is a respect in the courtroom — for the judge, the jury, and the judicial process. There is also an unwritten rule that it is perfectly fine to be tough — even aggressive. IMO, M’s approach is bordering on disrespect for the proceedings.

      He is far too angry over small details. Why doesn’t he save that for the big things? He needs to get the information to establish his “theme” of the case and wrap it up during closing arguments. His approach is unnecessary and will likely grate on the jury’s nerves soon — if it hasn’t already.

      • Go Leah! I’ve been a liar too! “Let God be true and every man a liar”. We don’t all remain liars though, and after all this girl has brought out on the stand before the world, There is no reason left for her to be a liar still. She is definately telling the whole truth now.

    • Uhm, correct me if I am wrong, but HIS roomates let him rot in a shower for days. Neither checked on his whereabouts- even when the house stunk.They supposedly “assumed” he was in Cancun. You know the saying when you assume.

  88. I like that comment… “Martinez is spending so much time in the woods, he might as well be a pheasant.

  89. At some point he’ll throw those autopsy pictures or crime scene pictures of Travis to throw her off.

  90. Martinez started immediately by forcing words by goading Jodi to comment on the words that he wants to hear her say…and she is not giving in to him…thank God…

    I broke my toe years ago…and it laid down straight for the past several years…and only this past year it is looking more crooked due to the possibly of the build up of calcium on the toe…Jodi’s finger could easily have laid down straighter for the past couple years before it become more crooked looking…apparently none of the news people have ever had a broken toe or finger…or the would have realized that with time the healed broken joint becomes more prominent…

    • I thought it could be something like that too…. or even it straightening a bit when she has her hand resting on something (desk, someone’s shoulder, etc)

  91. if anyone wants to help me figure out a way wr we can all sign a card that will be sent with a huge basket of treats that im sending to Martinez let me know

    i will buy it…….

    going to include…..tootsie roll pops, pop rocks, bubble bath and dipsticks…. anymore ideas im all ears

    and we are going to thank him for a great job of proving JODIARIASISINNOCENT.com

    • Just send it from “Members of the Jodi Arias is Innocent” site.

      Along with the distemper shot, send a voucher for free neutering, as we definitely don’t want him procreating! lol

      • YOU rock!! good one nicole

        and i agree, I think from

        MEMBERS OF THE JODI ARIAS IS INNOCENT site thats what i will do

    • I think we should send one to that FAT BIG ASS COW NANCY GRACE AND THAT RACCOON LOOKING JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL too. Martinez isnt making any sense… WTF is he even talking about? Wasting time and trying to twist her words doesnt seem to be working as well as he probably anticipated! Uh hello!!!

      • That’s part of a lawyer’s job is to twist words and try to catch the defendant in inconsistencies. Jodi will probably be told by her lawyers to be careful of facial expressions and try to restrain herself from talking back to the prosecutor. After all, it is her lawyers’ job to rein in the prosecutor when he gets too carried away.

        She is doing great so far. She could be on the stand for many weeks at the rate Martinez is going with the minutae.

      • Sorry, but Jane Velez Mitchell = Cap’n Crunch. With that thick helmet of hair that flips up? If she dyed it blue, I could see her on the front of a cereal box.

    • Oooh, you’re just wrong, Lol! I live in AZ by the way, not too far from Tent city. I will deliver the basket myself.

  92. I have not had time to watch the whole trial but am trying to keep up.
    One question….has TA’s roommate testified yet?

      • they said they wrnt gna b called and i find that strange bc usually ppl who find a dead person testify

        right?

      • hmmm, so either the roommates are going to be called as defense witnesses. Interesting how the prosecutor did not call them to testify, if they were out and about the house in those 5 days.
        or the procecutor is saving them as re-buttal witnesses?

        • I think Kermit can’t bring them on because Nurmi would then cross them and prove they didn’t know shit about Jodi being a stalker cause she wasn’t) and that they did not really know their saint travis.

  95. I am getting so SICK of Martinez.

    I don’t remember what time I started or finished a shift from years ago!

    BTW, I wonder if FHE was on a different day.

  97. He’s losing the jury by yelling and harping on things that just don’t matter. Summer I’ll gladly chip in one the basket for Martinez!

    • THANK u tina… i will get it but any ideas will be great

      im already online looking at difft ideas…i will post some links tonight to like the final three but you can get these huge candy baskets

  98. Jodi is the one on trial…why doesn’t Martinez give her a fair trial…he looks like he’s disgusted with the likes of her…is he being discriminating…yes….it appears to look that way to me too…

  99. Ok everyone I just mentioned this to CJ. The way Jodi defended herself to Mtz could be used against her as a way she should’ve defended herself against Travis. I sure hope it doesn’t affect her case.

    • It’s been 5 years…hopefully she’s gained more confidence in herself over time. She has a lot of support among her fellow inmates.

        • and they say woman inmates are worse than men… they try and intimidate other women
          so she has deft become use to it

          • But the jury does not know she has been in jail for that long, so they will take away this is her normal self.

          • The jury knows that she’s been in jail for 5 years. They saw Flores’ interrogation tape and know the date that she was arrested.

    • I dont think so. She KNOWS Fartinez isnt going to come up to her n slap or kick her like TA would’ve.

  100. She is remaining so calm and collected in the face of this runt.

    I hope she remains this centered.

  101. Pfft. That’s assuming Travis was TELLING THE TRUTH!

    Martinez acts like everything TA said and did was honest

  102. PEOPLE – he left the car for her and got a ride. Someone needs to point this out to the defense!!

  103. his car for your car
    tootsie roll pops for pop rocks right

    lets all say,, ooooooooohhhhhhhhh aaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhh

    • I still haven’t understood the point of ANY of his questions.

      WTF is the paper bag on the ground for?

    • OMG I was just one the phone with my husband (he’s deployed) trying to reiterate that line of cross – and he says “Wait a minute… what do pop rocks and blow pops have to do with murder? WHy was he so stuck on it?”
      Me- “I don’t know, I guess he just couldn’t get over it. But she won that round.”
      Hubs- ” let’s try that when I get back.”
      Me- “ummmmmmmmmmm…. I don’t think I could. I would have Martinez in my head the whole time”

    • Oh, Martinez made me crazy with that — over and over ranting “Tootsie Pops & Pop Rocks.” He was going a little insane repeating that. Sounded stupid, went nowhere.

  105. Martinez sounds like a rat on a wheel- ‘Blah, blah, blah…Right!? ‘Blah, blah, blah…Right!?’ Blah, blah, blah…Right!?’ …Repeat.

  107. Laurel,

    Of course you are entitled to your opinions… but one of the biggest life mistakes people make is judging others by how they act and react. They way you act in a situation is different than how I will act. How you will react to a situation is different than how I will react. Nobody can EVER say how someone should act in any situation. As for Jodi, if she cries, haters call it crocodile tears. If she doesn’t cry, she’s cold and calculating. There is no win for somebody who is already judged and convicted in others’ minds.

  108. Ooooooh. Did anyone see the “F*ck You” look she gave Martinez when he tried talking about her ‘being jealous’?

    • Who knows what Martinez will do tomorrow. He cant’ prove premeditation. He has figured out that he can’t bully Jodi. He has to totally rethink his strategy.

  112. OMG! “Lunch is usually at noon, right?” Perhaps YOU have such a flexible schedule Mr. Martinez…

    Ugh. They’re bitching about her ‘smiling’ on HLN. They said a lot of Twitter & FB comments are saying they think Jodi is ‘winning’ the discussion. Yaya!

    • The lunch thing was very condensending! Most working folks don’t always get “lunch” at noon. Shows he a bit out of touch – or just a first class a-hole.

    • I swear she did such a good job not bursting into laughter during the “Blow Pop & Pop Rocks” line of cross… It was so ridiculous!!! I did

  114. I hate the press…..back off press….ya’ll should be sued, for all the hateful shit, Jodi has every right to a fair trial and HLN is already getting the shot ready…..as far a cross examine this guy is a douchbag.

  116. Hang in there Jodi be tough as nails girl! You are doing great…..God Idiot Drew Peterson just got 38 years….wtf cop does it kills 2 wives 38 years…..Jodi fought for her life and they want to take her life this is bullshit. No Justice.

    • ARE you SERIOUS??? Both THIS case and THAT case PROVE that women are still fighting an uphill battle in the realms of verbal, mental, and physical abuse. Women have to go through this when an abuser causes them to react. But a man killing a woman…. who is a cop… and did it TWICE.. oh 38 years will do. I know he’ll still likely die in there. But the number makes a HUGE POINT. Men who are Child or Woman abusers are somehow less dangerous than a women who has been abused, protecting herself. Makes no damn sense.

      • While I understand and agree with you about the double standard and 38 years is really not sufficient, however, I do not think 38 years in prison for an EX COP is “special treatment”. He is going to have it very rough.

    • Daniel-

      I’m curious what your gf’s thoughts are after hearing (reading) Pique’s explanation of the emotional/psychological abuse in relationships? Do you know what I’m talking about?

  120. why is Beth Carras writing about sm named Drew Peterson and how many years he was convicted?i dont get it…was his case similar to jodi’s?

        • Although his case was also about domestic violence. He had a restraining order against him by and old girlfriend and another by his first wife, killed his second wife (which is what he was convicted for) and his third wife is missing … for years. He was a copy in a suburb of Chicago. (Very similar to my ex, actually, who also grew up in a suburb of Chicago. One wife had a restraining order, one wife died under mysterious circumstances, one wife/girlfriend is missing, and then, there’s me and I have a restraining order, also, and almost died. And of course, I never knew about any of the other wives until he was arrested. I thought he was divorced once but she was a crazy nasty bitch.) But oh no, he never did anything wrong, says his attorney — even though I have it on video. It’s amazing what abusers get away with.

    • I’ve noticed a few of the HLN folk have moved a titch toward the defense’s side. JVM said they’re going to ‘discuss BOTH sides tonight on her show JUST IN CASE the verdict comes as a SURPRISE’ LOL

      Sure…

      • LOL…they’re trying to cover their asses in advance. They all had egg on their faces when Casey was found not guilty because they were SURE she’d get the death penalty right up until the end!

    • Jean Casarez (aka Jinkasaurus) has “slipped” and kind of sided periodically with Jodi from early in the trial. Not consistently, but today is not the first day she’s “understood” and articulated Jodi’s position.

      BTW, I hear that sweet Jinky and Beth Karas have been laid off by “In Session,” as they’re revamping the station.

      • That’s kind of sad, actually. I’d really hate for anyone to be laid off. I just wish they’d do more 2-sided reporting.

  122. Why does someone abused to the point of self defense murder go out of their way to see the abusive ex in his home for kinky sex? I don’t understand. Jodi talks about flipping out a lot for a calm soft spoken lady. I’m confused.

      • Why did Rihanna go back to Chris Brown after the world saw her bruised and battered face, it just happens.

    • If you loved the abuser you would understand. Like anything else you can’t truely say anything about anybodies situation unless you have walked in their shoes. Abuse happens all the time and women and men stay. It happens.

    • Laura- First of all self defense murder is an oxymoron. Now, let me pose a question to you: Why does a nice, well established Mormon boy let a psycho, stalker into his home and have sex with her? Travis had a lot of kinky sex and pretty of the wall fantasies for being a 30 year old virgin. I’m confused.

  123. I think he is trying to prove that she was stalking him, that she was jealous of him and wouldn’t leave him alone, that he was her obsession.

    • I don’t think it’s working. I’m so confused and put off with his antics that it isn’t making any sense at all. I’m sure some of the jury is feeling that way too.

      • Also she had stated in direct that she loaned travis 900 dollars in january 2008 and just admitted that he lent her some money that month. Doesn’t mean she never loaned him any money that month though.

    • The problem with that theory is he was every bit as obsessed with her–probably more so–and we have documented proof it with his own words and voice.

      • Now he is trying to bring up the hearing in which those text messages and phone calls were disallowed by another judge.

  125. To say Mormonism is not a cult is BS. Scientology looks, acts & sounds like a cult but is LEGALLY tax exempt. It’s a cult. So is Mormonism, it’s just tax exempt, Mormonism looks, acts & sounds like a cult in every other way.

    • Be sure to clarify here, “in YOUR opinion.”

      Otherwise you might come across as extremely offensive.

    • My response here will probably be deleted, but this comment by Yoganao is asinine and offensive on so many levels.

      • I concur Whadoo.

        What I find ridiculous is those who are here to support Jodi, but bash her religion. If you bashed it in front of her, she’d want NOTHING to do with you. You choose to support her, support her fully, don’t disrespect what she believes in.

        • Pyromie- How do you know what she’d want/do? I’m not trying to be rude. Is this just YOUR OPINION? She might react how you say and she might not.

          • I agree about not bashing another’s religion. Everyone should try to be respectful/mindful of those judgements— we are also free to speak our mind, though this might not be the proper place to do so depending on the material we are discussing.

          • I speak from experience not with her, but with other members of the church, and as a human. When we are confronted with/by those who choose to speak ill of our personal choices, most of the time we (as humans) choose to leave the situation rather than allow it to escalate by arguing.

            So to answer your question: You are right, I don’t KNOW that she would do that, but I believe if she believes in the church as much as she says, and acts, she wouldn’t want to be around those who are willing to slander her choice.

          • I had the privlage of knowing Jodi in the Palm Desert Branch. Her heart was touched by the Gospel and is still a member of the church

      • It seems one person’s opinion can be infectious. That is the problem, people often take the opinions and mistakes of the singular outside source instead of learning for themselves.

      • Whadoo- No, but there’s a lot of good insight/info on a site called “Behind the Curtain”. It’s obviously not EVERYONE’S experience– we’re all different– but it’s good to have information from those that have been involved and make your judgement after YOU feel you’ve collected the info. you need. Good or Bad.

        I have my own opinion about ‘The Church’ because I have personal experience & research to back my feelings. I’ll just say it’s not favorable when it comes to that religion in general. Humanism is what I value.

        • Jamie, I respect your opinions about the church, because you have the experience to back up your feelings, but those who haven’t been a part of the church have no right to judge.

          The German people had nothing against the Jews, but were told by a man and his followers that they were evil, and what happened?

          Same scenario, new age.

          • I think discounting the experiences of others who feel exploited by any church and write about it online by not judging the religion they are discussing, negates their experiences too.

            The LDS church is interesting to me because of the varied opinions both good and bad.

            What stands out to me is how people want to treat Jodi the same as travis when he was in authority over her while teaching her things that contradicted the tenants of the church.

            I think the emotion toward LDS stems from that as some of us feel he spiritually abused her and was ashamed of her because of the image he had to uphold.

          • Pyromie and JC- I think you both have great points. It’s taken me a long time to discover that ‘Humanist’ views are the closest to my beliefs. I’d encourage anyone to research any religion they were considering. If nothing else, just have your own spirituality/morals/values to believe in. No need for anyone to commit to an organized religion or otherwise. I just feel for people who do commit and in the end it just causes torment and internal conflict.

          • I even have friends that are practicing-LDS members whom I adore and I don’t feel they are bad people. (needless to say, most, if not all are from outside the state of UT )

          • JC, I completely agree with you about what he did. He used her faith to manipulate her, and do what he wanted. I do believe she enjoyed a lot of what they did, but she (based on her testimony) wouldn’t have done anything physical with him if she had been taught the churches version of the Law of Chastity, not TA’s twisted, sick version.

            As for Discounting other’s experiences, I do see what you mean, but what I was trying to get across isn’t necessarily to discount them, but to make your own decisions based on one’s OWN personal experiences, not someone else’s.

            I feel that if someone told me, “Don’t go to that Mcdonalds, it’s terrible.” I might find myself shunned away from it, at least for a time, but I wouldn’t go bashing EVERY Mcdonalds because someone had a bad experience at one.

  129. O.M.G. Jodi is all but wiping the FLOOR with Juan Martinez. This is as good as watching Ali vs. Frazier. This girl is no joke! She’s “channeling” Gus Searcy, another person who Martinez simply couldn’t break.

    While I’m loving how smart, quick and unafraid she is of him, I’m worried how her being too assertive appears to the jury. I hope Nurmi told her to dial it back some. Otherwise, she could wind up winning the battle, but losing the war once the jury makes its decisions.

    • Nurmi might have told her to come out of the gate being a bit assertive so that she could throw Martinez off his game. I’m sure that he thought he’d break her within five minutes, and her strength has to be rattling him. If she wears him down now, then his cross will get weaker and she can dial it back accordingly.

    • She’s spent time with a supportive and respectful man, Nurmi, so she has a stronger appreciation of herself now, compared to “08.

  131. Just one comment listen to the 911 call and then listen to the hln interview with roomate, when did he see TA for the last time????????

  135. Idiot on HLN has never heard of a long sighted person who needs to take glasses OFF to read. Why does CNN employ people with no life experience.

    • I know. Poor Nurmi has to take his glasses off and get his nose against the paper to read. After this is over, I hope he gets some Lasik.

  136. There is absolutely nothing wrong with skipping days in a journal and especially not putting things in there that you don’t want to put… or for someone else to see….after all it is a person’s journal and they can choose to skip days…act as though nothing happened….and write what they want too…the journal does NOT contain all FACTUAL information…

    I wrote in a journal myself when I was younger…and I am sure a lot of you girls might have done the same…I had some bad things happen that I would never have wrote about in my journal…and I fantasized about having sexual experiences with guys in mine…and anyone that read it would have thought that I had sex with those guys…but I never did…a journal can contain some FACTUAL and some NOT FACTUAL writings….it is just our ramblings from time to time about some things…

    • Truthseeker You are right anyone who has kept a journal knows we will not put some stuff in it everyone is different. I think her Lawyer has done a great Job objecting and throwing off Martinez. Where were all Travis friends when he was missing for 5 days now they are descending on HLN to discuss how horrible Jodie is.

  137. BTW- completely off topic, but I really like the way they have Jodi dressed today. Some of her clothes/hairstyles have made her look well, not her best. I wish they had her dressed like this every day- and please do NOT let her wear the hair tie to-the-side anymore. Today is a vast improvement, this outfit looks professional and appropriate for her. Someday I will be that legal assistant put in charge of dressing the jailed or low income clients =)

  138. are you a real Jodi Arias supporter?if not,then yeah i agree with you what ARE you doing here?

    • really! I think the comments are civil and discussing things are done respectfully for the most part.

      The only axe I have to grind is that of the media and all the “fry Jodi” people who said this months before and during this trial.

    • Yes I am sure in a case you will have Lunch with your Lawyer. Nurmi is so much better then the prosecutor.Actually many people are turned off by the fact that he screams constantly. He watched one too many Law shows.

      • Unfortunately,she probably goes into a holding cell in the court and has a bag lunch that consists of green bologna or peanut butter and jelly. Not exactly the great menu NG refers to. If NG had her way there would be no one in jail or prison because she thinks they shouldn’t have food.

  142. Everyone in my family wears glasses….and my sister is a teacher and sometimes she has to take her glasses off just to read something….a stressful situation can sometimes cause blurriness in the eyes…Jodi may be experiencing some blurry vision with Martinez screaming like he did earlier…and she might possibly see better with the glasses off depending on the lighting…the color of the ink on the paper…and etc…glasses on or off…a person has to adjust to these situations…

    And both her mother, father and aunt have been seen wearing glasses…

    HLN just needs something to talk about…

  145. Hey….Nurmi is looking over the top of his glasses while he reading and flipping thru that magazine….

  147. You’ll find more critical thinking on this site than many others that support the prosecution. I wonder why you ask SJ’s sex if you are interested in being detached.

    • Hi Maija,

      There are a lot of people posting on this website, so naturally there’s going to be some variation in maturity and depth and seriousness. Plus, there is only one moderator as far as I know. So, all in all, I’d say people are conducting themselves quite nicely. Have you spent any time at the pro-prosecution websites?

      I don’t see the problem with criticizing religion. It’s quite central to the case, so how can critical discussion be avoided, and why should it be avoided?

      It’s one thing that you don’t believe that Jodi Arias is not guilty, but I don’t understand why you’d bring up the likes of Jeffrey Dahmer. His crimes are not even remotely comparable to hers. This makes me suspect that you’re not very rational yourself, but merely invoking the disgust and horror of the name “Dahmer” and associating it, in some way, with what’s going on here. Now, that’s cutting and nasty.

    • The difference between all of those people you cited and Jodi is the fact that they have all been convicted of the crimes they were accused of. Jodi has not. I’m sorry that you are offended by some of what is posted here. I challenge you to find ANY pro prosecution website that doesn’t have the same language if not worse. We try to keep it classy here.

      And the gentleman who visits Jodi in jail is a Mormon volunteer who is witnessing to her. She is allowed to have spiritual counseling.

      • I meant Peterson, Peterson, and Dahmer. I know that Ms. Anthony was not convicted of the crimes she was accused of.

      • True, but it’s more than that, Jaz–more than that those murderers Maija cited were convicted for their crimes. After all, Jodi may be also convicted. But these men were convicted of depraved actions, a compulsion for killing, and killing more than one person. And, none of them were abused by their victims. In Dahmer’s case, he picked anyone who he could trap in his apartment. Apples and oranges, to say the least.

        If Maija–and anyone else involved in this discussion–thinks Jodi is continuing to lie on the stand, that’s fine, as she can argue that based on the facts of the case and her opinions about deceptive body language.

        But, accusing the people here of being irrational and mean-spirited and immature is ironic. Because throwing out the names Peterson and Dahmer, and asking us if we think that these monsters are also innocent, is an irrational and dirty argument. I know I should be ignoring it, but, shit, I hate a dirty argument and want to point it out when I see it. Maija’s red herrings and slippery slopes and ad hominem attacks violate the rules of productive discussions/arguments.

        At the same time, I do believe we should take heed of her point about childish and personal attacks on the players in this case, and try to avoid doing these same things ourselves. It does look bad, and could turn off those who are sitting on the fence concerning Jodi’s defense.

  148. Isn’t Martinez suposte to be proving premeditated murder? Not that she gave a magazine to a friend that visited her in jail?

    • I think he is alluding to Jodi passing messages through the magazines to a friend asking for help and to lie for her about Travis being a pedo.

        • Yeah, I don’t get the point. We already know she changed her story from intruders to self defense.

          • I don’t think Martinez’ point is about switching stories from intruders to self defense.

            I think his point is that he is going to be bringing in testimony (probably via this Ann Cullom or Campbell or whomever???) that Jodi’s message in the magazine was to a witness (could be Ann or even Matt McCartney??) telling them that whatever it was they had told her attorneys at the time (remember there WAS a change in attorneys too around this time)….. contradicts what Jodi has been saying at that point for at least the “last year”. Remember Martinez made a big point out of the fact that this magazine gift happened in August of 2011. So Jodi must have been talking about what she had been saying since August 2010. I thought she changed her story to self defense in 2010. The concern I have is this witness said something to her attorneys which Jodi was significantly bothered about at the time that could contradict her self defense story…hmmm

          • How does this prove premeditation? I don’t see it doing it. I am sure he has a jailhouse snitch or somebody willing to back up his theory.

  152. I made that comment about Nurmi looking over the top of his glasses while reading….it shows that you don’t have to look directly through the lens of your glasses to read something…

    Since HLN has been bad talking Jody about not using her glasses to read those documents…now maybe that will shut up their stupid talk…or are they going to talk about how Nurmi is reading over the top of his glass and not through them….

  153. Can you hear NG, “Bombshell tonight! People in jail communicate by magazine notes!!!!!” hahahha

  154. I was thinking the same thing…Gracie is going to have a field riot tonight for sure with all that weighing in she does…

    • Nancy Disgrace can NOT watch that woman ever since the MJ trial! She sure made a fool of herself on that one but lived to do it again … and again. Ugh!

    • lol they focus on the most absurd things

      Hahahaha “Bombshell tonight! Jodi has written notes in a magazine, AND they’re on her behalf!”
      hahahha

  155. I’m still at work so reading the live blog. Is this for real? He’s crossing her about something she wrote in a magazine to a friend? He thinks this tactic will work?

  156. So what if she wrote a note to someone on her own behalf. It wasn’t instructions to rob a bank. hahaha
    nothing to see here LOL

    • What women wouldn’t ask the person their dating if they are cheating or even ask to talk to another person. I know I did it.

      • I know! Jinkasaurus, a few weeks back, was like “Ohhhh, it doesn’t look good that she drove an hour and a half to confront Matt after he cheated….” Please! There are people who do WAY worse when they find out that they’ve been deceived!

      • The message was to Matt about the testimony give two days before the magazines were confiscated by guards checking them because Jodi was giving them to a female friend who was visiting her. In the testimony/questioning of Matt two days prior to the confiscation he said that Jodi had not been dating him for over a month when she drove an hour to confront his new girlfriend. She said in the magazine that he fucked up because it makes her looks like the jealous ex-girlfriend and not a concerned current girlfriend.

  160. Im surprised Mr Nurmi didn’t object more to the magazine…..? He could’ve gone with “how do we know that is HER handwriting” AND how did JM get the magazines? Did the friend turn against Jodi????

    • Jodi was attempting to give the magazines to a female friend visiting her but the magazines must first go through a few visual checks. The guards saw the words and confiscated the magazines and the friend was never given them. Jodi never got a third tv interview (the phone number listed) and the person meant to get the message did not receive it.

  162. Wow, Martinez actually said “I’m sorry”????

    Loved the “Purple Plum vs Applebees” discussion!

  164. I suppose he is trying to show a pattern of stalking or some damned thing.

    It’s hard to tell with Martinez.

  167. He is trying to show she is some crazy stalker type, trying to push the Travis friends’ nonsense she was this stalker despite all evidence to the contrary.

  169. think about today….. how looooooonnnnnnnnggggggggg we have listened to popcock and WTF HAS ANYONE GOTTEN FROM TODAY

  172. bombshell people……… Jodi wrote on a magazine in jail

    i repeat, this is it folks…. THIS IS IT

    and she NEVER WROTE THAT TA BEAT HER or liked little boys in her JOURNAL.

  173. He is all over the place !!Tootsie rolls, pop rocks, bubble baths, braids, Star Magazine, high pitched squeaks. Did we learn anything new today?

  174. You know, if her bf wasn’t abusive, a cheater, an evil baptizer, etc,. etc.,
    all this drama never would’ve happened.

  177. good news, JA support team we have like 454 comments in three hours

    and ppl are still posting from earlier day 21

    thats SUPPORT

  178. He’s trying to prove a motive here for her to have killed Travis. He is still pushing the debunked theory she was a stalker who was willing to go to great lengths to preserve a relationship. He is trying to show there is a history of this kind of behavior with other men.

    The problem, of course, is with the sex tape shortly before he was killed. It totally debunks the theory.

  179. Juan Martinez cannot be such a hard nosed attorney as was stated earlier on HLN. He is constantly trying to confuse Jodi, it is not working. What is this jerk? Jodi is clever she catches on to his head game each time. You go girl………………….

    • right kdc

      its always, “alright folks” blah blah

      and she talks about jodi and her little girl braids

      anyone notice how nancy uglyface has been sporting the little girl clip n her hair

    • im toooootally lost.he went over names,incidents,places,dates and what not to prove what?that she’s a stalker doing interviews,on good terms with her exes,guilty of NOT remembering then exact second her shift began,travelling to CALMLY talk to a girl,getting her nails done,sleeping on the floor with 2 other men(sinner,sinner!!) i mean WTF???If that’s his way of proving a pattern of behaviour I say Cheap Shots!!

      • Nurmi needs to get Matt McCartney on the stand! That’ll put Martinez’s “stalker” theory in the shitter.

  182. So she remains friends with her ex after they are not longer BF and GF. OMG, alert the media….

  183. All he’s proving is she made really bad decisions. If she was crazy stalker lady she would’ve had a violent past smacked Bianca in the face, and she didn’t…

    • Man O man this is insanity! He is all over the place! What in the holy hell is this man trying to say?

      • Don’t like how he phrased that question. Horrible! Did you stop on your way to kil Alexander?

        • i loved iot when she said ” I cannot answer ur question the way it’s phrased” or sth to that effect.

    • I’d love to know what Martinez did when he was in his teens and twenties. LOL Every ridiculous detail. He better not have made any poor choices in his life or acted human!

  184. sorry, but i get chills when i read posts that ppl make all day while watching this trial in support of jodi

    i hope she knows and can feel the support we are sending her

      • it does…… i mean this is about her life… and all of ours.

        our justice system is flawed. and abuse is REAL
        man or woman

        God forbid any of us r n a situation wr we have to mayb defend ourselves, and think…….”WAIT, should i, or shouldnt i”

  186. OMG she was friggin 21! I am SO glad I am not on the stand.. bc both my relationships and myself were a MESS in my young 20’s!!! She sounds like a saint compared to me.

    I found out my bf (at the time) was flying a girl in from another city to see him (I was about 21). I did some investigation and WENT to the airport – found her based on pics I found on his computer (and this was at JFK in NYC), AND ended up having her stay at MY apartment. Boy did my boyfriend have a BIG surprise when he got off work that day. He had NO idea I knew- just like Jodi’s BF didn’t. You get to the other girl first… & you get the REAL story! Martinez, you must not have had a very exciting 20’s.

      • I’ve been one of those “crazy girlfriends” too! What the guys don’t realize is that the lying and cheating can drive us to act irrational when feelings are involved. If they were loyal & honest I doubt most/all of us wouldn’t be acting nutty

        • I hated how that man treated me, it brought me to my lowest points in life. I did act irrational at times because I was not in a rational relationship! He also would call me “psycho” when I would get upset over his hateful words and cheating. Guys LOVE to use that word on a pissed off woman.

          I KNOW Martinez is going to bring those texts up tomorrow…

          Anyhow, it took me years to get right, but I ended up marrying an amazing person- nothing like that horrid ex! And he’s NEVER called me “psycho”. =)

  188. alright…….we are done for the day…..

    wake up jury, cmon wake the fuck up

    and we learned SHIT

    • BOMBSHELL TONIGHT!!! we learn absolutely nothing new, except that Jodi wrote to someone IN A MAGAZINE in JAIL! She found out her BF was cheating and peacefully confronted the other woman. She got her NAILS done… holy smokes what a waste of time. Dude, she’s too smart for your Mode of Operation.

      • if he tries to imply that she had her hair dyed that day after having her nails done im gonna shoot myself and get him to talk to my hairdresser who hasnt even finished junior high but knows her hair would have fallen off IF she had attempted dying it so many times in such a short period of time!

        • MOST dedicated nail salons are NOT also hair salons. Some are, but most are not bc they need much higher insurance, additional hours of school (usually about 1,000 hours or more), and a completely different business license, annual tests, etc. I’m obviously a hairstylist/makeup artist. =)

  192. OKAY GUYS,
    SORRY FOR ALL CAPS BUT I NEED HELP

    My dad weNT AND BOUGHT TOOTSIE ROLL POPS, A DOLL WITH BRAIDS,POPROCKS, DIP N STICKS, BUBBLE BATH AND A RUBBER DUCKY FOR THE BASKET

    ANYONE HAVE POPCOCK MARTINEZ ADDRESS

    AND, ANYONE OBJECT TO THE BASKET BEING FROM

    “TEAM jODI”

    IM GOING TO TAKE PICS ONCE I GET THE BASKET TOGETHER AND POST THEM
    SHOULD I JUST GOOGLE FOR THE ADDRESS OR WHAT

  193. Jodi did great today on the stand and Martinez was all over the map with his cross examination. I think she was flustering him with her composure and calm demeanor. It just made him look even more ridiculous. He didn’t uncover anything that would negate reasonable doubt as far as premeditation goes.

    • Jodi gave a fantastic testimony today she stood her ground and did not go to tears when Martinez was drilling her.. . . .

  195. when he made her repeat those messages in the magazine it did not include the number for the television person for ABC, nor did it tie this person to the messages. If it did, maybe I was so confused I didn’t catch how it all tied together

    • I have no idea what he was trying to pull with that! Didn’t get it, unless his planning on coming back to it. Thats what he’s done with everything he’s tslked about/ lv us hanging? ?!!

      • i think he is coming back.otherwise his questions lead nowhere.im a bit worried though,that midget may have sth under his sleeve.he looked pretty damn assertive asking these non sense questions so i think he does have a point that we cannot understand today at least

  197. Mr. Martinez, What TIME today, did you decide you were going to make everyone aware of your inability to practice law?

    hahaha Bombshell! Martinez has no case!

  198. OMG who the hell CARES where the tootsie pops were on Lonnie’s baptism? Do we honestly, really need to go back and rehash THAT detail? That has nothing to do with the price of tea in China, or Martinez’s case.

    • Okay Martinez, let me tell you about sex from the perspective of a woman’s experience (no personal insult meant here) — this is how this works: There are about 14,000 mens’ magazines and 20 times as many internet sites devoted to “creative” sex ideas for men. The number of magazines and sites for women along the same lines is merely a fraction. So, the kinds of things the two were doing in bed, not to say they were all his idea and not to say that nothing was ever enjoyable, most likely, the vast majority of ideas were his. Pop rocks and tootsie rolls sound like a “dumb young guy” idea to me. Where women will and will not draw the line varies. That doesn’t mean we like everything suggested t us that we will cooperate with. Just because a man takes out the trash and gloats about it later, agrees that it was “not that bad” doesn’t mean he “enjoyed it” and doesn’t mean it is a terrible thing he went along with it. Women have sensitive bodies…something can feel okay one second and then start to hurt the next. I think she entered a world with him beyond her comfort point, as open as it might have been before.

  199. I would not be so quick to outright dismiss the questions being asked. As I’ve said before, this is a tedious process where each side has to get the information out to eventually bring back together. In contrast, if you go winding down a long road and the supposed point of the detour turns out to be insignificant in the jury’s mind, then getting no pay off backfires.

    IMO, it’s too early to really see where this is going.

    • early or not, he sure has my head spinning. If I was on the Jury I would want it all to go smooth and not head back to my hotel thinking “what the hell was all that for”

      • I agree that it’s not a good idea for the prosecution to leave a lot of confusion over a weekend. Most memorable will be the sparring. I wonder what the jury will think of it all.

  200. Oh cheese & rice— TA’s friend thinks he KNOWS that TA didn’t have a gun. How would he know? Especially w/o a doubt? So what if TA borrowed the friend’s guns to go shooting at the range. That doesn’t prove shiz

    • Right, and it’s an overstatement for HLN to portray them as Travis’ “friends” when they were in fact more like acquaintances. Everything they’ve said about him has been shown to be false; so anyone coming forward to deny that Travis owned a gun is going to look like anyone else who lied straight faced on national television.

      Yeah! About that – people going on and on about how “Jodi lied” on tv. Well what do they think these “friends” did? Right!

    • Really? Well, apparently, he didn’t know TA had enough rope to tie a woman to the bed either.
      or …………… enough said
      hahaha
      Bombshell! He didn’t know TA! hahahaha

  201. I would not be so sure that this was not done completely on purpose by Martinez, this jumping all around & I think the magazine story is far from over. It could be tied in later with a rebuttal witness. Enter this “Ann” somebody whom Martinez mentioned at the beginning. His comment was “didn’t you ask someone to lie for you at the hearing?” That would really be horrible if someone whom Jodi trusted back then decided later to go to prosecutors OR if there was some sort of recording of the phone-call with Matt McCartney. And I am also now wondering if Matt McCartney’s comment awhile back about his willingness to “lie for Jodi”, is not going to come back and bite as well.

    The magazine writing he is talking about has nothing to do with her change in plea from intruders to self defense and everything thing to do with her self defense plea. The magazine gift was in Aug 2011. She states to this mystery person that whatever it ws they told her attorneys, it contradicts what she hs been saying for the last year. That would mean go back to at least August 2010. She changed her plea to self defense in 2010. It sounds like Jodi was concerned that whatever it was this person said contradicts her self defense plea. THAT is a concern to me.

    • I took the pencil comments to mean there was a misunderstanding, not that outright deception was occurring. We will either never know, or maybe it will come back. Either Kermit isn’t done with it, or he just has nothing else with it.

          • I am pretty darn sure. Obviously I am not speaking with the prosecutors office 🙂 so its a guess. But imo, based on the many trials I have seen, I would place a good bet on it.

          • You’re right, Daniel. You have some very throught-provoking posts. This setting the stage for a rebuttal witness. Jodi had better be prepared to explain those messages. She didn’t look visibly upset by them, however, when Martinez showed the magazines and transcripts of them.

          • Of course you’re not speaking with the prosecutor’s office, Daniel…otherwise, your name would be Chris Hughes! LOL.

        • I agree. Maybe he’s going down a line of questioning to loop it back and/or setting up the answers to bring a rebuttal witness on the stand. Perhaps “Ann”? He’s not leaving it at that.

          • I think he’s going to come back to that with Jodi, but he’s definitely setting the stage for a rebuttal witness. I was thinking jailhouse snitch as soon as I saw those magazines with the notes in them.

      • beecee,

        do you happen to remember the name of who the magazines were intended for? I want to google around and see why i can find.

    • The other thing you need to remember, is we may despise Juan Martinez, but in the greater public arena he IS considered a brilliant attorney and does win most of his cases. Even Death Penalty cases. I understand the desire to want to throw darts at him and put snakes in his mailbox, but the reality is this is serious business and Martinez in my opinion should not ever be underestimated. We may not get what he was doing today, but I am pretty sure there is a method to the madness. He is dangerous and i think to assume he is asleep at the wheel is foolish.

        • I don’t underestimate him either, but there is such a thing as overconfidence. This is the highest-profile case he’s tried…he’s in the media every day, getting praised all over the place by the talking heads, and the majority of public opinion is in his favor. He may think that this case is so open-and-shut that he’ll fail to see that the jury isn’t thinking like he is and that the evidence just isn’t there.

          Remember Jeff Ashton, who also won a lot of cases? He was high-fiving people on the way into the courtroom for the verdict. Look how that worked out for him.

      • personally,im just venting out on martinez.certainly not underestimating him,im honestly afraid of him and dreading what he may present as the trial unfolds that may hurt or contradict jodi’s testimony.

      • There is certainly a method to it all, BUT a method that works on MOST defendants may not work as well on a highly intelligent witness. She seems to know where is is going with many of his questions and does not slip up. She has been admitting to some things, things that she is not proud of. SO when he comes at her again and again, the public may think, “Hey, she admitted A., so why is he getting on to her so hard for denying B”.

        The first part of the day was probably the worst for the prosecution because she was continuously correcting him, and got a lot of her own words in despite his wanting a Yes or No answer. She would basically be backing HIM into a corner, where he would have no choice but to let her answer how SHE wanted to answer. I was very surprised at Jodi’s ability to do this, especially with such a powerful attorney.

        • I am sure she knows exactly what those magazine notes are about. She will have to answer truthfully and explain it, for there is no doubt a rebuttal witness in the offing.

          • Nurmi can also clear a lot of things up on re-direct. He’s the one whom I think the public is underestimating.

      • me neither. I did however over estimate his ability to remain calm when questioning a person asserting the battered woman defense. But where he is going, we cannot know yet. MY critique though, is that he moved way too fast.

      • Well I don’t despise Martinez. I just can’t take him seriously.

        And it’s hard for me to see him as brilliant. He was all over the place, proved nothing except he has no case. He’s done the same thing huffing and puffing his way through the first phase of the trial and presented nothing substantial.

        Nurmi doesn’t look phased; he probably knows whats coming up and is already ready to address it in redirect. I can’t imagine how this ties in anywhere else. If he wasn’t prepard to make a point with it, why bring it up? It would get lost in the shuffle after he goes off on another tangent.

    • I agree Daniel, something tells be he’ll come back to that. Why would he bring this magazine if he did have anything to show. My Q is, why didbhe bring it up now??? Why didnt the defense have time to look at it n ask her Q about it???? And if it is, hopefully she’ll have a valid explanation for it, wasnt she assigned to a different attorney at first? Hhhnmmm

    • He’s a smoke blower.
      TA attacked her, she fought back, and won. Case closed.
      All the other stuff may be interesting but the bottom line is, she had to defend herself.
      If a man comes at you while you have gun pointed at him, and he has said so many vile things (see his texts), believe me, you are going down, or winning.

  202. You could just send the basket to the prosecutor’s office or to his house…..LMAO…I bet Mrs. JM would be thrilled with some poprocktootsiepop action! He doesn’t seem like the kind who could think up things of that nature! He might try it out…you know…just for research purposes…..snort.

    WHAT A MESS of a display????? absolutely RIDICULOUS….I would think a “seasoned” pro would do a much better job of it…..I’ve never attended law school and couldve done better? There are LOTS of things that people have legitimate questions about…that he could HAVE gone with….so foolish.

    Friends and family HAVE to be figuring out that TA was NOT what they thought!!!!

    Jane Velez Mitchell is going to have on the guy that says TA had no guns….and show a video of him shooting to PROVE he had no gun….well duh you wouldn’t take a lil 25 to a shooting range….when you can borrow long range rifles…ridiculous…..

  203. HLN refering to case of MARY WINKLER who wa found guilty of manslaughter for killing her husband in SD and had major memory loss

  205. Holy shit I’m riding the roflcopter on Trixel’s and summer’s comments. This man is doing himself no favors to be taken seriously, even Jodi seems like she’s about ready to bust up laughing.

    • Yes, can someone break that down for me? Codes written in magazines, I get that. Was it from Jodi to her attorney, or what was the message intended for? And what was the “you fucked up” and “contradicted everything I’ve been saying the past year” parts about?

      • There was one cellmate of Jodi’s that gave a contradictory statement to Nancy Grace when Nancy went to interview/ check out the jail. Wonder if it’s her? When that cellmate made her comment I was thinking “Oh crap. why did she say that?!”

          • Jamie,do you mean the one who said that Jodi had secretly told her she chopped off TA’s parts of the body and scatterred them across the desert?

          • i remember listening to that inmate selling her beyond-crap story to Nancy Disgrace who looked like totally buying it.Umm,have they reviewed the autopsy,to my knowledge there were NO body parts missing!!

          • That inmate either confused Jodi with someone else or was just looking for some camera time. Of course Nancy immediately went to “Hmmm, wonder who else Jodi killed?”

  207. It sounds to me like the magazines never made it past the inspection process for the property (magazines) to be released. I could be wrong and I sure can’t figure out how Mtz is going to tie this back into her wanting someone to lie for her regarding TA and his pedo masturbation, etc.

    • Sounds the same to me too. I get how he wants to get the ‘deception’/ ‘manipulation’ point across.

      I worked at a residential treatment center (locked down) and it was sooo common for practically every patient/resident whether they were known as ‘good’ or ‘bad’ to do manipulative stuff like that. Partially wanting to ‘challenge’ or ‘have some control’/defiance, sometimes out of sheer boredom & loneliness. I really don’t see it as that big of a deal. Unfortunately the jury probably doesn’t have enough experience with this ‘typical’ behavior when ppl are locked up. It was AMAZING the kind of creative things the patients at my work would come up with.

      • Yup this is very true. And hopefully Nurmi brings this up when its he comes back up. Clean it up, Nurmi!

  208. some of Travis’ fans seem to fail to realize that they arent Travis’ best buddy. A large percentage of my husbands friends are his buddy when they want to drink beer and watch football but he would never take them seriously. If he was beating me he sure wouldnt be confessing to them about it. He likes hanging out but he doesnt share his deep dark secrets with them. It seems like a lot of his friends want to act as if hanging out with him a few times means that they should know everything. I am sorry. If I like you but I do not trust you I wont tell you about a gun I bought.

  209. I am a bit nervous about a prison snitch too. I could have sworn that I read something about someone in prison who was supposed to testify for the defense and Matt was on the list as well. If he tears them down they might not even get put on the stand. I would really hope that if they do that they are as solid on the stand as Jodi.

    • Some of these prison snitches are liars too though. They try to get attention for themselves in the hopes of a reduced sentence. Casey had to deal with one of those.

    • Seems she’s looking more ‘flashy’ today. Wonder what the occasion is? Does she feel like she’s competing with Jodi now since Jodi looked more put-together today? haha

    • My my my…. How JVM’s tone has changed today. Now she’s actually challenging how Martinez ‘yelled at a woman’ and how it might across poorly to the jury/ have a negative effect. Did she finally decide to stand up for victims again? The “War Against Women” as she used to say… Must have struck a chord with her.

    • Lol shes talking about where’s Jodi shaking (like a chihuahua)? Hellooo dont you see Martinez shaking bark bark all over the place?!

      • I just hope her attorneys will instruct her on this. That is part of their job.

        It just does not look good, And Martinez knows this. Martinez doesn’t care how he looks., he cares about how the jury looks at Jodi. Even if everyone thinks he is a jerk, in the end, none of that matters. And he might be just playing it up in order to get Jodi to smile and smirk. It could be part of the plan. I mean, what the hell is she thinking?

        • He should care how he looks. It’s not unheard of for juries to side against lawyers whom they dislike.

          • You are sooooo right. They do it all the time. When I worked for a law firm that held a lot of trials (not criminal though), we polled the jurors afterwards. We also had shadow jurors in the court room who did not know who hired them which I interviewed daily. And we held mock trials before the actual trial with jurors who did not know who hired them and which I interviewed. So many times, the jurors (whether fake/real/shadow) sided with one lawyer because they liked the way he/she looked. Or they felt because the other guy didn’t have a hair out of place or his shoes were too shiny, they sided with the guy who seemed more likely to live next door.

            I remember one case where although they felt the plaintiff (our client, in a personal injury case) was most likely telling the truth, his wife came across as (in the jurors’ words) “an overly tanned, low cut bloused liar”. Part of the our claim was for loss of consortium (he wasn’t able to maintain relations with his wife due to his injuries). Because they felt she was a liar, even though they found him extremely credible (they said), they awarded him damages of only a couple of thousand dollars. Their justification was that they didn’t want his wife getting too much money! In another case, they awarded our client (a very very good looking man who had lost the lower half of his arm) multi-millions of dollars because instead of using a more cosmetically pleasing artificial hand, he used a “hook” prosthetic. All the jurors said this made them feel he deserved “a lot of money”. “He’s a real guy.”.

            You would be surprised what influences a jury. Most of the technical points go completely over their heads. Expert witnesses sometimes make an impression; other times they don’t. What lawyers think will absolutely guarantee a win very often doesn’t. You just NEVER know.

            Martinez should be watching his Ps and Qs, and apparently, from all accounts, he isn’t. He’s running the risk of seriously alienating the jury in my opinion. But I haven’t watched the live footage yet.

          • Also Abused-

            Thanks for the insight! It’s so interesting to hear possible ways the jury can be influenced. I’ve had my own ideas of how they can be, but it’s nice to hear actual stories from someone who’s ‘been there’.

          • Thank you, “A” for sharing this insight. It is highly instructive. One question, though– in the example, you indicate that the jury’s decision was influenced by the appearance/demeanor of the defendant and key witness…. but did you have examples where the lawyer’s demeanor/appearance made a difference despite what jury thought of defendant?

            I often think about this– because many times defense lawyers have longer hair, or seem to be dressed in flashier ways. I would be nervous about that kind of thing and That is what I like about Nurms– he is well-dressed but not, um… vain. Also, i like the “playoff beard” he has been growing since trial started.

      • Yes, I was just thinking that. She shows remorse when she talks about that awful night and she shows amusement when Martinez dances around the courtroom like a jester. She’s a human being with normal reactions.

        • I agree. I thought she was going to laugh out loud when he kept asking about the pop rock & tootsie pops over and over and over again. It was just pointless and honestly hysterical because it had NO value to the case but he was SO vested in it that he would not let it go! SHe contained herself thank goodness!

          • He probably just wants her to say it out loud repeatedly so he has something to go home and spank off to later.

          • I just read your comment and thought for a moment that you said “Poop Rocks and Tootsie Poops”.

          • Lol hello??? She is human! C-ooonnn… you have to admit it IS funny, Fartinez is funny! Its like when ur a kid in schoolnn u get called intobthe principals office!! Shes trying to kerp a straight face but its impossible, I would’ve definitely chuckled by now! Shes doing great n you knoe what, Martinez thought he could intimidated her n I think it’s backfiring n his getting really annoyed with it, shes got him!!!

        • Exactly. People seem to think that because she’s on trial she can have only one emotion; sorrow. She is still living her life, she is entitled to laugh and smile and make the best of the situation she is in.

        • MB,

          it is possible that she doesn’t like Martinez based on how hard the defense had to work to get evidence turned over? And because of his bullying attitude? I think her being a bit peeved and reacting to such by smiling may actually be her way of coping with stress. She had the same demeanor in those media interviews (IMO) and although she agreed to them, she testified she did so because of what was being said about her which didn’t make her happy.

          I know I’m asking you to speculate. Sorry.

          • I do think there’s an aspect of it that made her feel like she had some control, was ’empowered’… gave her a somewhat front or defense because she probably felt uncomfortable/bullied. I can see your points JC.

          • No, don’t apologize, those are good points! The only reason I drew that conclusion is because I saw her suppress a laugh – but you’re right, it could just be from stress.

    • Kathy, I disagree. We call look at the same thing and have a million interpretations.

      Jodi likes to be accurate, I bet Travis hated that also.

      • I want to add also that nothing infuriates an abuser more when the person being abused stays calm because they know they are right…I speak from experience.

        Some abusers like reactions and tears.

      • I’m just like her with the details, over-analyzing, exactness, etc and it would make my bfs furious! When you’re told lies so frequently you start keeping notes in your mind about the details of the things that matter most to You.

        Plus, you can tell she doesn’t want to just spit out anything just because it sounds good (like TA would’ve done)

    • i dont think she smiled or smirked at least in the way you put it(disrespectfully,like TA’s sisters were doing all this time).The way I see it she was just putting on a serene polite mask,come on we’ve all put on that once or twice in our lives,like when you know the person u’r talkning to hates you and wants to tear u up but still you have to be socially good and you just smile kinda a robotic smile because thats all you can do.I found her extremely respectful,her vocabulary,verbatim and everything as well as her entire behaviour were very much professional and DECENT!

        • Shoot, I think I had similar demeanor yesterday during my trauma group because I’m a little too honest at times and when asked for my feedback on an assignment that I felt was rather ‘elementary’ I attempted to keep my “this is ridiculous” face in check while I spoke the truth about how I felt. I’m pretty sure it came across as a smart-ass smirk on my face the whole time though.

    • Today was about a bunch of nonsense that happened long before or after the day of the killing. Not a lot there to be remorseful for, really. But did you notice when Martinez asked a question something to the effect of “So when you went to kill Mr. Alexander you drove down to (wherever) to see (whomever)?”…. she lowered her head and her demeanor changed instantly. She stated she couldn’t answer the question the way it was phrased…

    • May i add sth more?not to be taken offensively,but when you say ” Even her attorneys are taking this much more serious than she is.” I believe you are not doing her justice.Her life is at stake and you think she might NOT take this whole procedure seriously?No way,cut her some slack…

    • She was crying a hell of a lot yesterday…why should she be crying while Martinez is grilling her? THAT would make her look like she’s feeling guilty about something.

      • Exactly. Her crying today would have made her look sad for being “caught”. She actually did a fine job today. I have no doubt she will cry when he gets to his death. None of the questions today warranted tears.

      • Exactly! See so shes doomed if she does, shes doomed if she doesnt! My god. Like you said, if she would be crying they’d say oh shes busted n since shes not, well she fucked either way!! I really hope theres some people in the jury with brain n heart.

        • There is a middle ground. It doesn’t have to be either crying or laughing. She could just act more consistently with the person she presented when Nurmi was questioning her.

          • Woman-
            She could act that way… but maybe each day she has been on the stand she has been her ‘true self’ rather than having to act.. Idk?

          • Exactly, if the meek, scared, soft spoken, abused woman thing wasn’t an act, and that was the real Jodi, then she would still be consistent in the behavior and she wouldn’t be acting, would she? She’s taunting Martinez, a man who’s aggression she claims is akin to her ex’s and who’s attitude raises her stress level, causing her to have a hard time remembering things. It makes no sense, she was meek and soft spoken when speaking to Nurmi… she is laughing and taunting when speaking to the man that supposedly intimidates and stresses her out… like her ex… so, was she like this with her ex? Did she laugh and taunt him when she was supposed to be afraid? Theses are questions that the jury will ask themselves. They will wonder if she was really an opponent to Travis, rather than a victim of him.

    • You could be right. Jodi seems so focused on winning each battle, she’s forgotten what it’ll take to win the overall war. She did not act afraid of any man for any reason today.

      But this so goes against the sweet victim of abuse the jury might go easy on: Her big, stand-out mistake: SHE BOWED HER HEAD TO STIFLE A LAUGH AT MARTINEZ. Whoa… !?!

      Some jurors will have a problem with this (if they saw it). They could think she’ll be laughing at THEM too, pleased she tricked them into buying her “No jury will ever convict me” statement.

      Giggling, smirking and acting smug ultimately just prove Martinez right. Showing sadness and remorse are her only friends now. Jodi better figure out ASAP that laughing at the prosecutor = the death penalty.

        • You make a good point. Hope you’re right!

          There’s no doubt Martinez was inadvertently comical. His yelling that “Tootsie Pops & Pop Rocks” mantra was completely LOL. Boy, was he on a “roll.” 😀

      • Actually it should be that evidence of premeditated murder = the death penalty. The jurors may not be crazy about Jodi bowing her head to smile but it’s not going to be the deciding factor that gets her the needle.

        • Again, she’s damned if she does and damned if she doesn’t. If she spent the whole day sobbing? People would complain that she’s putting on an act because she’s a liar. If she answers Martinez honestly and doesn’t take his bullying crap? Oh, she must have no remorse! If she takes too long to answer a question? Get to the point, Jodi! If she uses short answers? Not good, she’s being evasive!

        • It should absolutely be based on evidence. If I was on a jury– especially on a death penalty case– it would not matter if I liked the person or not. If there was no evidence I would not convict. I could never send someone to death anyways, so I would never be chosen to be on one. lol. But I would think the jury members would base their verdict on evidence and not on if someone reacts the way they think they should.

      • I’m with you. Her defense is that she was afraid and meek and under this person’s complete control. She comes in today, smug, laughing and taunting… I can’t see how that backs up the story she painted for the past 8 days.

      • There is a point in time where someone who has been abused has to stand up and speak their truth, clearly and firmly… She didn’t get to do it with Travis… I think she is doing it with Martinez (who in effect is also trying to kill her)…. I got the chance to do this, she didn’t and it is liberating… And as much as i applaud her saying NOT TRUE, and being amused by the games he is playing… This is NOT the time to be doing this… She looks relieved that direct is over and the shame embarrassment is all on the table… She just needs to be assertive with her truth.. Not aggressive and not smirking… Jodi…. wake up you a digging a big hole for yourself… The jury will not like this change in attitude….

        • I think Nurmi has told her to change her attitude. He didn’t look pleased on thursday. She was much better after break. What does everyone think – will juan make her so mad that she wont be able to hide her dislike for him? After all, if someone wants to kill you, I don’t know how I could be nice. she does need to act like she respects him.

  214. It is my Opinion that Mormonism is like a cult & so is Scientology. They were both created by con-men in the United States. I apologize if anyone was offended by my stating that. Jodi choose the Church FOR Travis. Travis like many others in court where raised in the Church. Travis baptizes Jodi then f***s in the a**. I don’t think.if Jodi were a real Mormon she wouldn’t have let him do that. I still see a big difference in affiliation with the Church between Jodi & Travis. This is my opinion, & sorry if I offended anyone.

    • I totally agree with you, in a somewhat different aspect. I’ve always believed all religion is a scam, brainwashing on a mass scale. People will believe in a god but they don’t believe in aliens because there is no proof of their existence. Figure that one out. But hey, that’s just my opinion.

    • I actually wrote an email to JVM a while ago about this aspect of the case since she doesn’t seem to understand how big of an impact it truly has. The impact isn’t obvious to everyone. She held Travis in high regard, expected him to influence her positively and educate her with his religion. He played a huge role in how she was living her life and I believe a lot of that is bc she looked to him (Mr, Priesthood, Good Guy, Mr. Success, Mr. Popular, Mr. Motivational Speaker). The upliftng talk he had with her when he first met her “changed her life” thanks to his “you can do better” (break up with your man, religion,etc) talk.

      • Zion Lovingier did an interview with NG, where he stated that Jodi was into “energies”, such as positive and negative energies, and she read a lot of self help books. So it is fitting that Jodi was “drawn” to him, he being a motivational speaker who focuses on “positive energy”. Zion also explained Travis’s background and how that played into Travis’s attraction to Jodi. He was not popular in high school, even picked on, had a difficult childhood etc. Jodi doted on him and he liked the “positive” attention he received from her.

  217. not to be a snob or whatever, n wr all here for JODI but i like the group thats been posting here on day 21, afternoon…….no offense to day 21 my thoughts

        • It seems a lot like the diary – something for Martinez to wave around pretending like it proves something when it doesn’t. He hasn’t brought anything to the table to support his theory so I’m dubious it’s even going to tie in later. If it does, it’s a scheduling mistake – bound to get lost in the shuffle of all the other tangents he’s going on.

          Also, I’m going to look at samples of her handwriting and compare it to pictures of the magazines. It may not even be her handwriting.

          • At first glance (during the trial) it looked a little different to me, but I suppose that doesn’t mean much since it was just simple sentences in the magazine.

  218. ok, my mom is an atty n i was asking her bout new evidence brought in on cross exam and she said it can only b done on rebuttal and thats whay i thought

    anyone else think this

        • It may show that Jodi was a liar at the time and tried to influence a witness. I would think the defense would know about this anyway.

          I honestly can’t see how this would prove she premeditated the murder, which is the bottom line after all.

          Of course jailhouse snitches can have a big impact on cases. I think of Marjorie Orbin, also of Arizona, who is serving a life sentence in the brutal murder of her husband back in 2004. One of the most damaging witnesses happened to be a fellow inmate who testified Marjorie said she had shot, killed, frozen, then dismembered her husband. The witness didn’t get a reduced sentence in return although often this happens.

          You never want to talk to jailmates about your case, no matter how isolated and lonely you might feel. At least not talk to them until after your case is over.

          • It happens ALOT n I hooe Jodi was smart enough to know this or not to trust anyone while shes in there. I think at the end, it’ll be ok n Martinez along with HLN are just making it look like its something big when it really isnt.

          • She didn’t look visibly upset when she saw those magazines and documents. She may have been prepared to have to explain them.

          • Those magazines make her look sketchy and manipulative as hell. She didn’t say, “Dude, you’re wrong, that’s not how it went” or “That’s not true”…. she says “You fucked up your interview” and “It directly contradicts what I have been telling my attorney for a year”… so… yeah… it looks bad. It’s in code, she was being sneaky, and the phrasing just makes her look like she is playing a game of chess, and calculating. Conspiring to deceive, if you will. It’s very Keyser Söze.

            The inmate thing is this, your fellow inmate cannot give damning testimony on you unless you give them damning confessions, simple as that. If you are not guilty, if you were acting in self defense, your conversations with your fellow inmates would reflect that.

            Lastly, Martinez’s point with the personal diary entries is this, “There is no evidence to corroborate your stories about these events… none.” It really calls her credibility into question. Now, if her defense attorney comes back and looks for the date when she confronted Travis with the other girl, for example, and they find that she didn’t write about THAT, then Martinez’s point goes down the crapper.

          • “Dude, you’re wrong, that’s not how it went” or “That’s not true”…

            You fucked up your interview” and “It directly contradicts what I have been telling my attorney for a year”…

            I honestly fail to see how those statements convey different sentiments. One uses stronger language, but remember that she’s on trial for her LIFE and was bound to get frustrated while preparing for trial. Remember Casey Anthony’s recorded phone calls where she lashed out about how “it was a waste of time to call you people”? People have emotions.

            The defense doesn’t have to prove their theory, so it doesn’t really matter if Jodi has no corroborating evidence. Nurmi’s job is to instill enough reasonable doubt in the jury that they cannot conclusively say that she murdered Travis with premediation? The burden of proof is on Martinez.

          • Those statements convey COMPLETELY different sentiments. I’m not trying to be argumentative, but in life, it’s not what you say, it’s how you say it. It may not ultimately affect the trial, but those statements paint her as much more manipulative and cunning than she has been trying to portray herself to be. Also, a coded, and written statement to conspire is not the same as an emotional outburst.

            “Dude, you’re wrong, that’s not true” = Stop lying, or you’re remembering wrong.

            “You fucked up your interview, you directly contradicted what I have been telling my attorneys for a year, we can fix this” = I have not been completely honest, get with me to get an update on what you’re supposed to be saying. “What I have been telling my attorneys”… not “What really happened”.

            You can fail to see how those statements are different, but I am fairly certain the jury won’t. She’s trying to meet this guy, not to confront him on remembering incorrectly, or lying… but to coach him and let him know what he is supposed to be saying to back up whatever it is that she has been saying. She didn’t call him a liar, because he wasn’t lying. She didn’t accuse him of remembering wrong, because he didn’t remember wrong. She accused him of not telling the right story to back her up. “You fucked up” denotes expectation and a certain amount of entitlement on her end. It paints her as more aggressive and bossy than what she has been selling herself as, much more in control and much more active in weaving a web of deceit and control. It hints that her testimony and defense could be contrived. It’s damaging.

          • @ WOMAN, I agree with you 100%. That coded-magazine bust looks bad for Jodi. Biggest problem is, I think this happened after Jodi had supposedly come clean about everything to her legal team.

            Nurmi set it up for Jodi to explain to the jury all her original lies, plus the second set of lies. She’s on trial with a 3rd story now, and this is supposed to be the absolute truth. But now, Martinez has proven that she’s still trying to manipulate the facts surrounding story #3..

            Many on the jury will feel she shouldn’t need to rig a story with her friend before he meets with the prosecution. Her tone in the magazine message wasn’t even nice; it was bullying and bossy. And if anyone thinks her tone or message really wasn’t that bad, it may not matter. I think it’s still considered an attempt at illegal “witness tampering.”

            This could effect the big question of premeditation. The circumstances surrounding grandpa’s stolen gun already weren’t in Jodi’s favor. If I’m not mistaken, the bullet casing found at the scene matches the type of gun grandpa had.

            Now comes this failed magazine stunt. This may signal to some jurors that “the absolute truth” Jodi has just told them STILL can’t be trusted.

            P.S. I’m sure Nurmi wasn’t at all pleased when he got wind of that magazine message. It kind of makes him look like a fool in court right now.

          • The magazines are smoke and mirrors. Witness tampering is taken very seriously. IF there was any validity to her attempting to influence a witness’s testimony you better believe Martinez would have brought it to the court’s attention and, at the very least, there would have been a hearing about it. Also, Martinez would have called Matt, or whoever this was for, as a witness on direct to further his claim of Jodi’s dishonesty and manipulative ways.

          • Woman- It does not say, “what I’ve been telling my attorney for a year”, It said, I what I’ve been saying for a year”, It makes a difference. She Never said she wrote that, NOR did Martinez accuse her of doing so. He showed it to her, and they both agree that she attempted to pass the magazines to the visitor. This means nothing. IMO an attempt to make her seem manipulative, but It is clear to me he has NO PROOF that she did wrong here, otherwise he would have gladly shown it, and he would have shown it today.

          • Hey… this could be anything. She could’ve been talking about her finger, her relationship eith matt, when ir why they broke up, if n how she confront his othet GF, couldve been about the amount of time they were together or how many times they really had sex after the breakup, could’ve been about the gay friend, Eddy she asked for Bianca, who knows, it could be about anything. The thing is, (I think) this is all Martinez has, I dont think he has the rest of the msg sohe cant put it togethe, he really cant blame her for anything other then trying to be sneaky and like someone else said in an earlier post, it is VERY common for inmates to do this, so Jodi could’ve just wanted to reach this person this way instead of a phone call, maybe she wanted this information to be a private one on one conversation with to whom this msg was supposed to go to, but it didnt mean ir show that the murder was premeditated AT ALL. The msg was not about this.

    • That’s cool! You might want to ask her about sending Martinez that little gift to make sure nobody gets in trouble. I don’t know how that would end up, since Martinez has a habit of spinning the truth into something else; next thing you know everyone is getting accused of doing something awful when it was a gag gift.

  220. I wanna know how the hell TA’s friend thinks he KNOWS whether or not TA had a gun EVEN THOUGH HE LIVES IN ANOTHER STATE?! Friend:UTAH Travis:ARIZONA. ugh. he would know, right? whatever. what a joke

    • Came in late checked the site I think Jodi Arias was a great witness cool composed Martinez was all over the place I thought he was awful so far NO FACTS just innuendos to scare her. KUDOS to Nurmi for all the objections he really disrupted Martinez from what i saw. Good Job. Also Martinez is wrong she stated she enjoyed the attention.

    • Yeah…I think it’s fair to say that there’s a LOT that Travis’ friends didn’t know about him!

  221. First of all, I don’t believe in the death penalty, Period. And I am confident that she will not face that in this case, because she had a good defense team, and the prosecution is ineffective and ridiculous.

    I think that a persons perception comes from their own life experience, their own reality, and that’s why we can look at the same exact testimony and have a completely different opinion on what it means. Is she lying, is she telling the truth? I don’t know. I would like to believe her. I don’t think she’s evil.

    I don’t know whether she remembers what happened the day she killed TA or not. I don’t believe it was premeditated, and I don’t believe that it was in her nature to do this. The circumstances were just a perfect storm. What a shame. Someone lost his life. And Jodi is going to pay for it somehow. Whether by spending her life in jail or feeling the guilt of what happened, or both. Did he deserve to die? If he was going to kill or harm her, she had no choice. But I don’t think that anyone “deserves” to die. It’s been proven that he was NOT a good Mormon. He had some very questionable sexual appetites, and objectified Jodi and possibly others. And we can hate him and be disgusted by him, but he still didn’t deserve to die. But neither does Jodi.

  222. my mom said, that if def wld have fought the new evidence i.e. the journal then the prosc cld call jodi as a hostile witness and its a pain in the ass

  223. thr is another traviscult follower on jvm but the bryan caar guy is a friend of jodis that visits her n i like the wAY he stands up to the bitch ;n says she wasnt cocky, she is FINALLY GETTING THE FORUM TO TELL HER STORY

    jodi is sweet but shes human……….shes pissed

  225. Does anyone else notice the way she interacted with the jury as they left? Like they were exchanging a moment of understanding how ridiculous the whole day has been.

    Win for the defense – and they didn’t even have to work for it. Martinez served it up on a platter with tootsie pops and bubble bath.

  226. I said I would not get wrapped up in another trial after the Caylee Anthony trial, and woot woot…. here i am..

        • HLN is the sister station of CNN. HLN goes hard with broadcasting high-profile trials like Jodi’s and Casey Anthony’s. HLN carries evening shows that sum-up the highlights of these trials.

          A lot of people who miss the trials during the day catch up at night by watching shows on HLN such as Nancy Grace, Jane Velez Mitchell, and Dr. Drew.

          • MsCharlieChan- yeah and they do not hear anything that the defense has to say, just hear how unfair Nancy Grace thinks it is that Jodi gets ginger snaps every once in a while

  227. I just thought of something I need anyone’s feedback on. During the trial today, when kermit put up the texts and phone-calls and asked so many questions that I became confused (LOL), did he prove that Travis didn’t call Jodi that afternoon? Or not? I didn’t understand his point.

    • Was that while he was talking about them switching cars and her catching him masturbating? If so I got lost in all that too because he never really did make a point on any one particular points he was trying to make… lol. I think he was trying so hard to confuse Jodi that he ended up confusing himself and forgetting the point he was trying to make.

      • Dog,

        Yes he was so back and forth I missed it. The haters made me nervous because they stated it proved he didnt call her like she said after she caught him on masturbation day.

        He was also trying to imply the incident couldnt have happened because she didnt write it in her diary, and she talked nice over text instead of bringing it right up. And asked her if she called CPS? LOL

        But it was stated how many calls were made and to who which is what I want to know. I hope it was in her favor.

        • JC, IMO, it looked like JM did prove his point. He showed all the calls coming in to ‘her’ cell phone line. That would mean whether they came in from Travis’ cell or his landline which was what I thought she was saying earlier in testimony that he could have called her “from”. I did not think that was good either and one of the many reasons I did not think today went well for Jodi. She does NOT need to be seen as a liar on the witness stand and i am afraid this is what this showed to the jury. It will then make them question other things she has said on the stand.

          • I don’t think it proved anything. Did she have her phone on or off while she said his voicemails stacked up? Did she SAY if her phone was on or off while she was at the “visitor center” was it?

            When my phone is off i get voicemails but the calls do not show up on my missed call list or on my phone logs.

          • BeeCee, then how would she know if he did try and call her IF her phone was off and she doesn’t get the “missed call” alerts? You cannot have it both ways.

          • daniel, i thought she said his voicemails stacked up?? If someone leaves me a bunch of voicemails, then I know they have been trying to call me.

            i don’t really feel like rewatching to see if i heard her correctly or not, i just get tired of your negativity viewpoint, because clearly I don’t see things the way you do. You seem to always be looking at the negative.

          • There were five calls made from travis to her. She said he called her later a few times.

            I think it could be taken either way depending on one how is looking at it.

            I didn’t see this is proving much other than he did what she said he did.

            She said she wouldn’t talk about his issues by text when Juan asked and that makes sense.

            I think she scored on those.

          • BeeCee, I think he is being objective, not negative. It seems to me he’s coming at it from a more objective point of view, rather than a cheering section in the bleachers kind of place. I think there is a place for both. Just because we all share the belief that she shouldn’t be convicted of first degree murder doesn’t mean it’s not ok for some people to see when points have been made that could work against her. Jodi’s not perfect, if she were, she wouldn’t be in this predicament. I feel for her, but I can tell that she is not being completely honest and transparent about every, single thing she is saying.

          • Thanks Woman. You are correct.

            BeeCee,

            You are up and in my face, like white on rice the second I say anything that does not equal Jodi Arias and defense = perfection. . You are not at all interested in even TRYING to see things objectively- or I should clarify, at least from me. Funny too because I have noticed that after you try and blast me for something you did not like that I said, if its one of your “buddies” on here that in essence ends up saying the same thing, you are more than willing to take a look at it -discuss it and I have even seen you even end up agreeing with another person on the very same point you blasted me for… That’s fine. Its a free world. But I come here cuz I want to discuss the case. Not so much interested in spending 8 hrs a day posting about how much I hate Nancy Grace or the knuckle draggers or how cute I think Jodi looks today or how much I hate Samantha and Tanisha Travis’ family, or the many other “LOL” posts I see on here. Hey whatever rocks your boat. I would just recommend that you ignore my posts from now on if they bug you that much, because you can be sure that I will NOT be considering yours as I have come to find them oh so predictable. NOR will I be considering your OPINIONS on my posts and whether they are likely to meet with your approval. Cheers.

        • it showed they each called each other about five times. and that they were texting in between the calls about switching cars. the bad part I thought, was that she was asking him in text messages to talk, and he said he was busy. It kind of contradicted her saying he was begging her to talk. The text messages were friendly too

          • Agreed Dawn. The texts were just an added “not good” in my opinion. If there had been voice-mails left by Travis (the tons that Jodi says Travis made to her in his attempt to reach her after she ran out of the house that day) they would have showed up on the phone records that Martinez showed in court. There were only five calls from Travis (cell or landline) and to each of Travis 5 calls Jodi returned his call within 30 minutes. Despite who called who first. There was no long gap of time of the record showing that Travis called Jodi and Jodi refused the calls or did not call him back. One can support Jodi and at the SAME time also be interested in the truth of the matter at hand. I am surprised that not everyone feels the same way about it!!!!

          • I agree with you Daniel. Today made me nervous. There were some things that were not totally terrible. One text message that day from her to him said she had a headache and could not move her body. So that was ONE that could be potentially argued in her defense. But I was kind of bothered by the journal entries. The journal is not at all a HUGE part of anything for me. But it kind of was weird to me she never mentioned anything. I understand she never wanted to say things about Travis in print that could damn him in anyway. I really do get that. But you would think she would even write something small, like, I had a tough day with Travis today. Or I had a rough day. I do not know. Maybe I am reading too much into it. I do not have a journal. Maybe people only write positive things in them. I have never really kept one.

            She did hold strong though. She never let him get to her. And he was quite aggressive. Some people like that tactic, some people do not. So him being so aggressive so early, is a gamble for sure. I imagine this is taking a toll on her. It would be very draining and tough.

          • Kira- I do not recall if she gave a number of how many voice mails? From my recollection she said he could have left voice mails or she just had missed calls. Which, she did have missed calls from him. The sequence was off from what she said, but in all honesty, who could remember for certain when the calls took place or how many. She knew he had tried to get a hold of her, I do not really think it matters if he left a voice mail or not.

          • I kind of wonder how long Jodi had been keeping a journal and what other sort of things she wrote about prior to dating Travis compared to while she was dating him. I’m curious if she was fairly consistent about how much detail she went into regarding other things or relationships.

            I think some people journal vague/general things in their diary/journal while others are very descriptive. Some days she may have felt she needed to ‘just catch up’ her journal entries and therefore may have been more vague. I dunno… I believe journaling is quite common in the LDS faith (feel free to correct me if I’m wrong) especially for historical reference, etc. If she was mainly writing in her journal for that reason, I wonder if she would’ve written anything ‘negative’ about Travis or otherwise?

            Another thing I find odd is that most women (again, just my opinion) tend to confide in friends or family, especially where there is conflict/trouble in relationships or when they’re ultra happy, etc… makes me wonder why Jodi didn’t confide in anyone really, about her relationships or other things going on in her life. Or are we just not hearing about it? Sorry if I don’t make sense. =/

          • I never thought of that Jamie! You would think there would be someone who knew something. Not the whole extent of what was going on, but that he upset her sometimes… maybe? I am sure she had to have. Maybe the defense will bring that person to the stand later. It would be good to have someone to even say they seen the emotional toll the relationship took on her. Even if they had no idea of how bad things had really gotten.

            But then again maybe she did not feel close enough to anyone. I do not know. It is tough because I could speculate how I would react to things, but that is just me. People react so differently to things that there is no right or wrong way deal with things. That is my take anyways 🙂

          • Daniel…
            Although it’s hard for me to not feel somewhat defensive because I’m guilty of posts regarding Jodi’s attire/grooming, LOLing, and hating on the HLN folk- I very much enjoy reading your posts. I like seeing others’ viewpoints even if they differ from my own. I especially appreciate that you are willing to ask questions in order to understand someone else’s position as well as give another perspective.

            BTW, I’m not taking sides here (BeeCee vs Daniel) I like reading BeeCee’s posts too.

            I think sometimes it’s difficult to understand a person’s tone simply by reading text. I know I feel offended & defensive at times but I try to remember that everyone can have their own opinion, what they are saying may not be a personal jab, and that it’s way too easy to misunderstand one another.

          • Hey Jamie,

            Sorry, I got heated above re: the Jodi looking cute -Nancy grace hatin’- LOL etc posts…And thank you for the nice words. I say everyone should be able to post the way they want here as long as in your heart of hearts you care about Jodi and this trial. I just personally get bored (or even frustrated in the case of calling Travis’ sisters names-they have just lost their brother despite what he may or may not have done-I think they should be off limits-just my opinion) with those types of posts and so I choose to not engage. But my point was some of THOSE posts annoy me very much but you do not see me bitching about it every time. Why should I? I know its JUST my opinion. And you know what they say about opinions….every asshole has one.

            I just take exception when a few people on here like to attack others when speaking objectively( in BeeCee’s case above “attack” is probably too strong a word).

    • Lol im with you JC.. lost at that point. What I got though IS that TA DID call, just as much as she called him. And that was just showing cell phone calls, he also called from his landline. So if he was trying to show that she was trying to be all over his shit, he proved wrong.

      • I’m actually dying to watch this part! Apparently, he ONLY called her 5 times that day. ONLY 5. She said he called her repeatedly. Um, define repeatedly! Is that 2, 3, 10, 20? Or, will 5 work? I would use the descriptor “repeatedly” for anything more than 3, personally. But, alas, I’m not as smart as Fartinez.

      • i dont think thats what they were trying to prove, i think they were trying to prove that jodis statement about her running out of the house hysterical and ignoring his many calls for a long period of time is inaccurate according to the phone records.. and in the text mesgs, they never seem to imply anything about what she said happened that day. btw i dont remember who asked, i think beecee? but she definitely said her phone was on, not off .. just that she had the volume turned down, i just watched it again.. today made me a little nervous for some reason.. just being honest.

    • JC, I couldn’t figure it out either. I’m not sure he was able to prove a point. Maybe he was just trying to trip her up.

      If we had trouble, the jury probably did also.

      • BeeCee- I’m with you. Daniels negativity is extremely irritating to me too. I call out Daniel, Woman, Someone who starts with a “P” who only shows up when someone mentions the Mormon Cult, and Kathy. There are others, I’m sure, but these I have noticed ALWAYS have something negative. No, I don’t enjoy your posts. You can be “objective” all you want. As JS says, “this is a Jodi Arias support site” if you want to be negative, go to HLN. Being positive is what we do here, We neither HELP or HURT the OUTCOME of the trial. We simply stand by Jodi. We stand by her innocence. We stand by her defense team, we stand by even when things get blurry because we BELIEVE her, believe her team of attorneys, and do NOT waiver. GET IT?

        • Kmiller – You can call me out all you want, I really don’t care. I am not concerned with catering to you or composing posts that you approve of.

          • Woman. What you said. Sometimes you just cannot argue with stupid. A FEW posters on here seem to think you are not a supporter of Jodi’s unless you post a myriad of mindless things that have nothing to do with the trial but show your undying fervor for Jodi. (i.e. how cute she looks today, how ugly Travis’ sisters are or that they’re on Meth etc etc- incredibly high school posts that are beyond boring imo and DO NOT help the reputation of those who support Jodi-in fact contribute to the NEGATIVE things being said about us INSTEAD of getting the message out that PERHAPS the media is ignoring the BWS aspects of this case and there are smart folks out there who see Jodi for WHO she REALLY IS)… To me, those types of posts are as stupid as the asinine people that call Jodi names like whore, slut etc etc- But alas, the posters who do it are incapable of seeing the irony here. Not saying EVERYONE who indulges from time to time on those type of posts are stupid- far from it-SOME contribute many meaningful posts too…I am just referring to the ones that post ONLY the stupid things and come and attack anyone daring to see things objectively.

            I tend to think it far more supportive of Jodi when you look at things happening with clear eyes rather than through the eyes of someone with a mentality like an immature high schooler.

  228. So, is anyone in communication with Jodi? Does anyone here visit her? I’m just wondering how she’s making out in there. She’s kind of the “pretty boy” in the female correctional system…. attractive, thin, no kids, all her own teeth… life in jail is not always easy for people that had their shit together in the real world.

    • Idk Dog, but I do know that she does have supporters in there. They had a show n there were a few ladies with free jodi signs. When a woman goes to jail or prison for killing a msn in SD, she gets alot if support from the other inmates, they can understand why she is in there n they have her sympathy.

  229. I really can’t stand Nancy Grace, she just showed the clip where Jodi tells Martinez that her memory can suffer when men like him and Travis are attacking her, or whatever… BOTH of her guests agreed that that was a victory for the defense, and Nancy goes “SHE’S THE ONE WHO SLIT THIS GUY’S THROAT!”… Oh, well thanks, Nancy, I didn’t know that because you killed someone that means that you don’t get stressed when people that are bigger than you verbally attack and intimidate you, thanks for clearing that up. I had no idea that one thing had ANYTHING to do with the other. BTW, I thought the point of examination and cross examination was to answer the questions you were asked… I don’t understand why you state that “She has an answer for every question” like it’s a bad thing.

    • Thanks, Woman. I too CANNOT STAND Nancy Grace. Her logic (if you can even call it “logic”) is all over the place. To Ms. Grace, if Jodi couldn’t answer the questions it would be because she’s lying but if she does always have an answer it’s because she’s lying. I heard the HLN team a few days ago predict that Martinez would destroy her and uncover her (so-called) lies because only people telling the truth can keep their story straight. Now they want to beat her up because she can easily answer the questions.

  230. I just did not see today as good as most of you seem to have seen it. I guess we shall see. And regarding Nurmi, is he really being underestimated out there? That to me is ludicrous. It must be just from the hater sites right? The media isn’t bagging on HIM are they? I think he has been absolutely BRILLIANT. A m-a-s-t-e-r. I think the man will have written his passport to an extremely lucrative career after this. Whatever happens. This has been an incredibly difficult case, to take a defendant that had so much going against her due to the lies previously told and yet still be able to turn so many things around so that people are able to see Jodi for who she is. He made sure that the most damning and harsh commentary about Travis was told, but not through Jodi, through HIM. He helped Jodi by being the “voice” that, had JODI said these things, or made the implications Nurmi has, could have backfired on Jodi. (Many jurors do not want to see a defendant bashing the victim no matter what). So, I say Bravo Nurmi!

    • To be clear, not saying Jodi did not have the guts to testify to what Travis did, I am just saying Nurmi made sure he was the “bad cop”.

    • I agree, Nurmi is doing a great job and is not getting much credit at all from the media. This is a complex case and he’s really handling it well.

    • Well said, Daniel!

      This IS a very difficult case. Nurmi really has accomplished so much so far. When I think back to those police interrogation tapes played early in the trial, how bad Jodi looked telling her lies, it’s almost miraculous where she is now. Not home free, of course, but her image has been greatly rehabilitated, which is no small feat. She doesn’t have horns or fangs or green saliva. And Travis was no upstanding golden boy. This is actually quite a reversal, and he made it unfold quite naturally.

      • PIQUE I agree completely Nurmi is great, and Court TV made a comment last week to the effect.These Men, (but really directing their comment to Nurmi) don’t like each other.All Martinez has done so far is innuendo. Implies this and that. I don’t think he is very good other then being in a rage.

    • He did an Awesome job!!! They all did great (everyone helping him too). And im sure he’ll do evrn better with his career after this case. I love that picture SJ put up in black n white of them walking in with there cases. Great picture of them ready to come kick ass!

    • Wow thanks Renee, this guys GOOD! MOST RECENT SPECIALIZED TRAINING: Over eight hundred hours of postgraduate continuing education in Forensic Psychology. And MORE!!! Now thats a real professional nit like Flores 12hours of Investigation/Interrogation training he’s taken. Im looking forward to this too.

    • im with u there. it will tie jodi/defense all together. no way dp is applied here. MITIGATING CIRCUMSTANCES! and she’s BEEN doing time. she confessed! yes, she lied at start. human nature, imo.
      BUT, Lil Marti, etc. WANT REVENGE, THEY want blood.
      hypocritical? i think yes.

  232. Jodi sounded so STRONG, CONFIDENT, and CONVINCING when she said:

    “The way you make it sound is that he had a problem, right,” Martinez asked.

    “He did have a problem,” Arias replied.

    Martinez said, “That’s what you claim.”

    “That’s the reality,” Arias said.

    (I found this on a news article.)

    • I mean Martinez may have some tricks up his sleeve somewhere, somehow. It may have even been his intention to get a stronger, more assertive reaction out of her. I can see how it might be good or bad in the big picture.

      It was nice being able to see Jodi assertive today though. Regardless of the final verdict she managed to take back some of the confidence she seemed to have lost over the years. I guess I like the fact that she wasn’t allowing Martinez to ‘victimize’ her.

  235. @adamlongoCBS5 : BREAKING a HUGE story in #JodiArias case #CBS5 One of the last people to see Jodi and Travis together. Not a witness, never talked before. 1 hour ago

    Interesting…

    • @adamlongoCBS5 : Exclusive #JodiArias story #CBS5 at 10 @KPHO Co-worker of Alexander. Never spoke to cops or prosecutors. Saw them both weeks before he died. 38 minutes ago

      @adamlongoCBS5 : BREAKING at 10pm on CBS 5. My telling interview with a woman who had dinner with Jodi Arias and Travis Alexander… http://t.co/Qm2y9QliAM 33 minutes ago

  236. She couldn’t have done this alone. I’ve always thought that she was involved from the beginning but she didn’t act alone. She is to small to have mananged to drag his dead weight down the hall, let alone to position him in the shower. Her roomates couldn’t have NOT smelled his decomp and the dog would’ve been going crazy. I do think that the defense chose the wrong plea. It shouldn’t be in self defense, it should be temporary insanity or battered women syndrome. TA was a very egotistical, manipulative man. HLN Nancy Grace is aggravating me, every time she has a witness that SUPPORTS Jodi she will literally cut them off and go to someone who supports her theory. She was used, abused, mentally played with and she just snapped. I hate the photos of her fingers, every time someone says her finger isn’t bent they show a picture where ALL of her fingers are SLIGHTLY bent and it makes her broken finger look normal. As for the diary, I could understand her not writing about walking in on TA and the pedophelia in her diary… I wouldn’t write about that, it would be admitting to herself that someone she loved was evil. It would be taboo on top of taboo to write about it. Strange all the way around.

  237. I once saw a true story about a man in Scottsdale, Arizona who was found not guilt of killing his wife because she was “a nag” and drove him crazy. While this story occurred in 1981 and I don’t believe this kind of misogyny is exclusive to Arizona, I do think this is an indication of a long-standing double standard (“Women who nag deserve to die but men who abuse don’t.”) I’m not saying Travis necessarily deserved to die but Jodi certainly had a right to defend herself.

    http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/criminal_mind/psychology/automatism/4.html

    • Great article with the link…You need to send that to Jodi’s attorney’s…maybe it can help…

    • well, MOST times the man agreesor is found at fault, easily. BUT, that IS and has been changing. and it depends on you having a competent lawyer.

    • This guy had experienced a short-term, stress-related dissociative reaction. Although he’d fabricated a story about intruders (just like Jodis 2nd story) — hardly a symptom of automatism – the jury found him not guilty on the grounds of temporary insanity, so he left court a free man. Wow!!! This is so hard to blv. And this women didnt even touch this guy, it was nagging (mental abuse??).

  238. OMG finally getting to watch today. Fartinez stared out like a little bulldog. You guys were NOT kidding.

  239. Jodi had an excellent day! Her interaction with the jury tells me that they thought so too.

    I have no idea what the magazine deal is – I payed attention but Martinez made NO effort to explain it at all. None. So what’s that all about? Or do I have to get my little Orphan Annie secret decoder ring to figure it out for myself? I thought he was going to get out his 5th grade private eye kit and start scribbling the paper with that special marker so a secret message would appear.

    He was all over the place, but then tries to trap Jodi with that statement “when you drove to kill Travis.” Wow really? He can’t win the case with facts, so he tries underhanded phrases? Of course she can’t answer the question when he words it like that. I’m surprised that’s even admissible in court. HLN is way overexaggerating the atmosphere in the courtroom. This wasn’t even a battle, not unless you think Martinez brought a stick to a fencing match.

    • I agree, she held herself high and did not succumb to his antics. I’ll say it again- his style of bull-dog questioning does not work well on a highly intelligent witness/defendant. The attorney just ends up looking like a dramatic ass. Gus did the same thing to him. I watched one interview where Gus says “I think he’s watched one to many “Law and Orders”. Exactly!!!!

      She looked incredible today and he was just all over the place. I sure he has a plan for it all- but as I said with a highly intelligent person, it rarely works.

    • i’m extremely proud of her for today.really,I was like ”That’s my girl!!” but unfortunately even at some FB supporting groups she came off as cockey,disrespectful,smirking,blah blah…WTF?

  240. Excuse me, but have the rules changed? Isn’t he supposed to ask the court for permission to badger the witness?

    • I could be wrong but I think that may be only if he wishes to declare his own witness as “hostile”. Otherwise the cross-examination is, by definition, hostile and given a lot of leeway. (Of course, I’m sure there are limits set in either case regarding degree of badgering.)

      • Someone theorized that since jodi was given a lot of leeway to testify about events that had no proof, just her recollection, that Juan would be given a good amount of leeway in cross. Thoughts?

  241. First, a question…….
    Does anyone know what happened to Travis’ dog, Napolean after the murder? I understand that the dog was going nuts, as can be expected, scratching at the door when his friends went over and found Travis’ body 5 days later. I wonder how none of the roommates heard any barking or scratching and if the dog was okay afterwards.

    As for a comment, I really wonder why certain trials are televised nationally. You have shows like Nancy Grace and Dr. Drew that already have Jodi convicted and are influencing public opinion by their one-sided, often exaggerated or incorrect data, and all of Travis’ “friends” on. These individuals were so close that they didn’t even know about Travis’ sex life or they know but naturally want to protect him. Televising certain trials in detail and allowing all of this media attention during the time a person is on trial is not a “must know” for the public at large and is so terribly unfair to those on trial who are actually being exploited for media profit. Hopefully there will be some legislation soon to stop this abuse of injustice.

    A final comment-
    The prosecutor in this case is very aggressive. Not only does he cross the line with bullying and other questionable tactics but he can be quite insulting not only to Jodi but apparently others not on trial (e.g. calling Jodi’s sister “dumb” and other implications expressed.) Hopefully, this is not an example of how the state of Arizona’s prosecutors treat people on trial and those involved in their lives. There are effective ways to cross-examine without resorting to bullying and degrading tactics.

    • Travis’ dog was not within the area of the crime. The dog gate was placed at the bottom of the stairs restricting Napoleon to the downstairs area where all the roommates lived. The girlfriend of one of the roommates was feeding and taking care of the dog like she normally did when Travis went out of town.

  242. Here’s something I posted on http://www.Facebook.com/VinniePolitan: “It is amazing how everyone who has already decided she’s a chronic liar will find a way to bend over backwards in order to further validate that pre-conceived opinion. I almost wonder if we’re watching the same trial.”

    And here are a couple of the responses I received: “Shame on anyone attempting to justify this woman’s actions. It’s despicable.” And “It’s the same mentality of people who justified Christopher Dorner. We’ve sunk to a place where no one is responsible for their lives or circumstances and everything can be justified or mitigated away.”

    Yikes!

    I am so thankful for a justice system that protects jurors from this kind of poison.

    • ok, dorner i guess was wrong by LAW. BUT what ppl have to understand is when ppl are pushed or stripped of what they had, etc. it is HARD to just sit back and fade.

      some become homeless and live on the street, some commit suicide, some shake it off, some take what they consider revenge. dorner did 2 out 4.
      ppl who state the opposite have not been involved in that type of situation. we arent him OR jodi.

      if a there is a fire, some ppl will see if theres someone to rescue, some wont. in a streesful situation a split second action COULD be the wrong action… but…

    • Renee, I didn’t find it : (( those people on the uuhhgg they really think they’re right. And that picture they put up of the judge giving jodi that look!!! I knew the judge had something with her from the start and thats why she keeps denying these requests from Nurmi. Shes going to do everything possible to keep jodi from having a fair trial and im still wondering if shes Mormon? !

      This is something some idiot posted: “Here it is folks…. she says on Jan 22 Travis asked to borrow $200 from her, she said she didnt have it and slammed her to the floor, kicked her in the ribs and broke funger. That was her testimony on DIRECT. Text message today show SHE borrowed money from HIM on that day!!!!” Is this true??? I can’t remember if that was the same day Martinez was showing about the deposit, does anyone remember and is this what he was trying to show????

      • I thought she said he had borrowed money later on. Not that day. If she had. Juan would have brought that up. Or at least he should have. Does anyone know?

  243. I think the comment by jodi stating martinez is like travis and it makes her not remember when he yells at her is going to hurt her, she told Nurmi thats what made her shake.

    • I see your point, but the difference is that she’s not in a toxic relationship with Martinez. He’s a bully, but he doesn’t instill the exact same fear in her.

      • Exactly, Kira!
        * Gus had to educate the HLN idiot brunette (name?).
        When a man and woman get together, things change into a bond, and maybe you just bonded with an a__h___ whose real personality hasn’t been revealed yet.

  244. I didn’t realize that Kirk Nurmi’s law practice is primarily defending those accused of sexual assault and abuse. (http://maricopasexcrimes.com) I think this is a strong indication of just how much he himself believes in Jodi and in her story. Bless you, Mr. Nurmi, for also defending the other side.

  245. Re pop rocks & any other candy:
    ok, so it might sound tasty, but the reality is, it’s sugar, and you are going to pay big time for adding sugar to your interior compartments 🙂
    just saying.
    Attn. Mr. Martinez: a lot of fantasies wo/pain might sound good, but the reality can change your mind, quickly. And, if you are with a Pr__k like TA, expressing a dislike for something will have bad repercussions.
    Good grief!

  246. Just a couple of observations.

    1. I think the magazine was meant to go to Matt.

    2. I don’t think the pundits are correct about Travis not having a gun. It was CLEAR to me by viewing the video of him shooting what looked to be a semi-automatic weapon that everyone around him was shooting the same kind of weapon. He would have been laughed off the shooting range if he showed up with a .25 caliber handgun when everyone else had “major fire power.”

    3. I think the defense needs to tell Jodi to stop smiling or smirking. It’s not going to help her.

    4. I know I had a bad reaction to Martinez’ demeanor while he was bullying her. I think the defense is just going to let him do it so it backfires on him.

    That’s all for now! 🙂

    • I saw an interview with the friend of TA who he would go shooting with occasionally, he stated that TA didn’t own a gun, and if he did .. “where was the rest of the ammo” because when you purchase a gun, “they don’t come loaded”

      Well that’s correct, when you purchase a “new gun” they don’t come loaded, but if you purchase a gun from a friend or off the street, that gun just might …. “come loaded” .. and who knows, if TA bought that gun for home protection or some other reason, the bullets that came with the gun might have been enough for him.

      And from what i have seen, heard and read, TA’s friends seem to have .. “not known” an awful lot of what their .. “close friend” had been up to!

      Just my opinion

      Thanks

    • I dislocated my ring finger about 3 months ago. I went to the ER and all they did was tape it to another finger. They said a splint would cause more damage. I kept it taped for weeks. My finger is now permanently bent like hers. The picture shown in the courtroom is deceiving. If I bend all of my fingers and you look at it straight on, my disloctaed finger looks completely normal. However, if all of my fingers are straight then it is ery apparent that my dislocated one is bent. Also, if you look at my fingers from a side view, just as they have Jodi do in the courtroom, it is apparent. Nurmi needs to to have Jodi demonstrate this in the courtroom on rebuttal.

      • I thought it was pretty apparent in the photo that her finger IS bent, I have no idea how Martinez could think it looks straight.

        • Right, it looks bent to me! Idk what the hell the haters are talking about. If they can’t SEE a bent finger on that picture, then of course they wont even get close to seeing the damage TA caused Jodi. And for Martinez to lv the picture up for that long, thats how stupid he really is. If he was such a great shark of attorney, mhe would’ve quickly shown the picture n taken it down OR found a better picture. Maybe this was the best picture he found of her finger n he tought maybe I can get away with it.. maybe Martinez but only with the rest of the Travisbullshit.com lovers NOT US!

          Observer, I really hope Nurmi demonstrates the finger thing too.

    • well it doesn’t look straight to me and her hand is relax there, not like in court when she is showing it to display how messed up it really is. Also this photo just keeps showing her hair was brown weeks/month or 2 before the trip.

    • in the eye of who is viewing I guess. id go with bent or probably bent before not bent. but … dont know how objective im being in this instance.
      BUT U DO BRING UP A GREAT POINT.

  248. I do not understand why people are making an issue about Jodi’s journal. The talking heads say, ” A journal is a place to be honest” blah blah blah. The same talking heads who 1 month ago were aghast that she lied in her journal. It is FACT that she LIED in her journal. Look at her journal entries AFTER Travis was dead. Now that her journal is in evidence I hope Nurmi uses those entries to show that her journal did not always reflect what actually happened.

    • YES!!!! imo anyway

      even Megs diary was read by Chris… on family guy! this is MAINSTREAM reality. it is in cartoons! movies!… from? REAL LIFE.

    • Odd, after reading that article there was a thumbnail to a video titled something like ‘Travis former roommate thrown in to national spotlight’. I clicked it, the video wouldn’t play, then when I refreshed the page suddenly there is no more link to it.

  253. Daniel-

    I’m curious what your gf’s thoughts are after hearing (reading) Pique’s explanation of the emotional/psychological abuse in relationships? Do you know what I’m talking about?

    • Yes Jamie. Pique is one of my GF Aimee’s, favorite posters here. Aimee read Pique’s response but we really havent talked about it in depth because its been crazy busy. I’ll ask her to post her thoughts.

      For the past 11 years, Aimee has bn volunteering at a woman’s shelter 3-4 times a week. Not as a therapist but as a chef, cooking for the ladies and kids who are living in the shelter at any given moment. But this experience of course has been extremely eye opening and educational for her.

  254. I am glad to see more supporters on this site who are so open minded people and don’t jump on the bandwaggon when its convenient. I am on Jodi side WIN or LOSE! No matter what happens I always believe a person should always have the right to defend themselves in court. I have posted in TA site as well on FB. My word to Jodi is always MUCH LOVE AND GODSPEED. TA supporters tell me how can you say that to her. I simply answer back. Beacuse maybe she can use LOVE from a man who can be sincere and honest and not care if she don’t acknowledge him back. And for GOD to bless her journey whatever the outcome maybe.

    MUCH LOVE AND GODSPEED!

    TEAM JODI~ ALL THE WAY

  255. How can the testimony regarding the magazines be allowed in court today.. There is no foundation for this smoke and mirror accusation.. Why wasn’t it bought up during the prosecutions case? Did Nurmi even know of its existence… Why did judge Sherry let them go ahead with it… Isn’t this prosecutorial misconduct… Nurmi asked for a mistrial because they didn’t hand over the texts fast enough… This was an ambush… And I for one had no idea what they were talking about…. and i have studied this closely…. WTF happened today, it was highly prejudicial and im sure if the defence had known about it, they would have said something when they had Jodi on the stand.. As for Bianca… They would have interviewed her to try and prove the stalker claims, if there was anything to that story… She would be front and center on the stand…. I smell a big fat stinking rat…

    • I’m sure the defense knew about the magazines. I think the prosecution had to bring forth any evidence they had in the discovery process. Am I right on this? Like Leah said earlier there is rarely a smoking gun so to speak. It’s just one more thing that the defense will have to give an explanation for and I’m sure they already had an explanation. When her lawyers were leafing through the magazines before they were admitted into evidence I think they were just reviewing them to make sure there wasn’t anything different from when they had seen them before.

      • when/if u go on trial, esp. of this magnitude, YOUR WHOLE LIFE can be scrutinized. i hate that… even little, things from years ago.

        • The reason prosecutors did not bring out mags during direct is because it goes to Jodi’s claim of the Pedo behavior. The state was not going to raise that issue first. This is an attempt to prove she asked Matt to forge letters from travis stating he liked boys. The message was to get Matt to see her in jail to talk about letters. Defense had to have known amount mags. You can’t ambush them. Against the rules unless Juan just found out about them. I was a little surprised Nurmi seemed caught off guard by this. Anyone else see that?

  256. That magazine message is a serious problem. A jury is not going to be cool with finding out she was contacting a witness to get the story straight. Most is the line…it directly contradicts what i have been telling them for a year. The jury ONLY HAS a witnesses CREDIBILITY to determine who is telling the truth and who isn’t. It is illogical to believe they will not address her lies in deliberation and her direct testimony offered no explanation as to why she would have sent that message therefore the only impression they get on the matter is that she was attempting to manipulate the proceedings .when you NEED the jury to actuallybelieve this time your really telling truth, having evidence that you are trying get your story straight can cause jury to discard the entire testimony. Without Jodi ‘s testimony there’s no self defense. I know I’m prob gonna get crap for this post but let’s not abandon common sense here. In conjunction with all the previously addressed lies and inability to remember the actual event that magazine could cause the jury to think she is deceitful…..which like it or not is a SERIOUS PROBLEM for a self defense claim that lacks PROVABLE EVIDENCE OF ABUSE other than testimony or conjecture. I have a very sinking feeling after seeing that magazine. I also do NOT think laughing at the prosecutor when your life is on the line is very endearing to a jury either. I hope her attorney advises her so. Hope she has a better day today

    • Nurmi will definitely address it on re-direct, so let’s wait to see what happens. Long way to go until deliberations.

    • And also remember that the jury is only deliberating on the charges of premeditated murder/felony murder. They very well may not buy the self-defense claim but also won’t buy that Jodi planned it. If the judge gives other options, I can see a murder 2 or manslaughter verdict being handed down (I actually strongly feel that it will go that way.)

    • yes, OUCH. but her back was/is against the wall. we’ll have to see how nurmi addresses. i NEVER liked the self defense argument, but it WAS prob. what was true. it is just SD is hard for a jury to understand and EASY for a DA to argue.
      the BIG claim against it is ALWAYS used… “u could have walked away”. funny, tho that COULD b applied to TA also. but HE ‘lost’, i believe he also started it.
      the ‘winner’ in a real life fight can end up losing afterward.

      [note: EVEN if someone enters your home, attacks u, destroys your property, will not leave your home, IF U engage them and “win”, U can be prosecuted! authorities expect the homeowner/dweller to LEAVE the situation and call the cops. HARD to do, esp. re: someone you love, etc. it’s wrong, imo, BUT true and a true story… many times over in the usa.]

      • 13-405. Justification; use of deadly physical force

        A. A person is justified in threatening or using deadly physical force against another:

        1. If such person would be justified in threatening or using physical force against the other under section 13-404, and

        2. When and to the degree a reasonable person would believe that deadly physical force is immediately necessary to protect himself against the other’s use or attempted use of unlawful deadly physical force.

        B. A person has no duty to retreat before threatening or using deadly physical force pursuant to this section if the person is in a place where the person may legally be and is not engaged in an unlawful act.

    • But that isn’t the issue being decided in this trial. Guilt is the not the issue here. It is the DEGREE of guilt.

      The magazines ARE troubling because of credibility, but they don’t prove premeditation, unless Jodi was so stupid she confided to another inmate she premeditated the killing of Travis Alexander.

      Bottom line is Martinez overcharged Arias with murder one when it is actually a murder two or even a manslaughter case.

    • She didn’t have to testify at all in her defense. The burden of proof is on the prosecution to prove premeditation. It is a VERY tough hill for Martinez to climb.

      Never lose sight of what the real issue of this case is,and that is the premeditation issue. I don’t believe it can be proved absent any forensic evidence,.

    • I agree with your concerns. If it is proven she was witness tampering, I think she is in big trouble. Her laughing on the stand was terrible for her.

  258. Can someone help me out the photos that were found or recovered from the camera in the washing machine? Aside from the ones of Travis showering there were how many photos “after” the fact? I was commenting on a youtube video and someone indicated there was a photo of Jodi (allegedly) dragging Travis down the hallway???

    Also clarify the photo showing the back of Travis head, his shoulder (bloody), arm, a foot and then someones pant leg. Is the bare foot in the lower right of the photo Travis’s foot? Is he laying on the floor? I’ve looked at the pic a hundred times and I’m just not seeing what everyone else seems to see with regards to the pant leg. And how do you suppose that photo was even taken? Was the camera also laying on the floor? And is this the photo that youtube commenter would be referring to as the pic of her dragging him down the hall, or is there another pic I haven’t seen?

    • Dog, you may find this thread helpful:

      https://jodiariasisinnocent.com/quick-recap-jan-11th-jodi-arias-trial-jodi-arias-innocent/

      Yes, in the photo showing the back of Travis’s head and bloody shoulder, he is lying on the floor, and his bare foot is in the extreme distance, so it looks oddly tiny. In front of his head, in the extreme foreground and to the left, is a pant leg and foot. If you look, you can see the stitching of hem of the pant leg. The photo is taken from the floor, yes.

      There is another photo that some think is a dragging photo. To many of us, that doesn’t make sense. It looks more like an extreme close-up of a shoe. That won’t make sense until you see it. There may be a link to that photo on the link above. We refer to that as the “blob” picture.

        • Pique,

          D you know where the link with the 3d image the artist gave SJ is? I cant find that post. That one always helps me make out the real pic.

          • Hey, JC, do you remember if the gunshot wound was to the left or right side of Travis’ head? I don’t feel like looking it up!

            Also, what about the neck wound? I know they always say “ear to ear.” But, if I correctly remember the ME’s testimony, that was not the case. It LOOKED straight across, but it was actually to one side. Which side–left or right?

            Whenever I see that blood streaming down the right side of Travis’ neck, I always get to thinking–in a rather hazy way–about what it actually depicts concerning the order of the wounds.

      • I’m sorry but that perspective just does not look like he is laying on the floor. If he was, even if his head/upper body was being lifted up, the floor surface would be at a different perspective than what it is. Also the leg/foot (assuming thats what it is) appears to be laying underneath the body, as if the body was laying on its back on top another person. Either that or it is a birds eye view, as if someone took a pic looking down at the body standing upright.

        • Dog, I’m having trouble seeing it the way you’ve described, especially the bird’s eye view. To me, it’s clear he’s lying on the floor, and that the camera is on the floor, and that the perspective is as if through a tunnel, with everything becoming smaller in the distance.

          You think Travis’ body is not on the floor, but on top of another person? That there’s another person between his body and the floor?

          The only other way I can see it–because I’ve read this opinion, as well–is that the pant leg in the foreground is something else. Namely, a jacket. That would make the clearly visible hem stitching into the hem of a jacket. The person wearing the jacket would be on her knees, kind of sitting, with her butt on the backs of her calves. Travis’s body would be resting against her chest, in a semi-upright position. Something, in any case, is holding his upper body in that position. But, I have to work very hard to see it that way, because it looks so much like a pant leg to me.

          • Okay I’ve changed my perspective now after looking at the photo for several hours. Actually watching trial date #20 while Jodi is describing ‘the event’ Nurmi puts the photo up on the screen and it looks clearer than all the ones I’ve seen on the net. The stripe down the leg and the hem across the bottom of the pant leg was much clearer, i couldn’t see that in other copies of that image.

            Initially too I thought it was the Nike shorts that were found in the dryer, but I don’t think so. Those had two stripes with the Nike logo beside one of the stripes. In the pants/travis/foot photo you see just one stripe but also a small piece of the edge of a logo in the upper left corner. That logo there means there is no second stripe on those pants so they’re not the same as the Nike shorts.

        • Dog, this is the way I saw it too! I have always seen it that way. Like the rest of the other persons foot in under TA sholder part. The stip on the persons leg is going longwise or horizontal not vertical like alot of people see. I have some pants that way n I can see if I took a picture like that, it would look just like this one. Does that make sense, is this the way you see it too?

          • I don’t get it, LC. The stripe is going vertical. You would have to rotate the picture to make it horizontal. Or, are you talking about the position of the person wearing the pants being different than standing?

            Can you show me an image of the kind of pants you’re talking about? I’m trying to imagine where this horizontal stripe would be!

          • Yes, Pique, the person also kinda laying down like TA is. I dont have a pic with those pants but Ihave the pants. Let me see if I can take a picture with my pad n attache it somewhere n ill post it somehow, ill try to post.

          • Thanks LC. I’m a little bit obsessed with these pictures–they’re like a puzzle I want to figure out. But I don’t want you to go to too much trouble either!

    • Ok, so… reading the last link Pique posted I see this “if the defense can show that Alexander was shot in the head first, attorneys can argue that all of Alexander’s other wounds happened after he died, and so he didn’t suffer — and that could save Arias from the death penalty.”

      Jodi testified she shot him, albeit accidentally, but he continued to advance on her. That doesn’t jive with the above comment. It means Travis was still alive after the gunshot and therefore… you see where its going. How is that going to affect the sentence?

      • Yes, Dog. If he had enough consciousness to fight back after the gunshot wound–enough to sustain defensive wounds to his hands, let’s don’t forget–then it’s not like his suffering ending quickly.

        But, really, how much will this play into “saving Arias from the death penalty” as this article opines? My understanding is that, at bottom, it’s her lack of premeditation that will take the death penalty off the table.

        The order of the wounds IS still very interesting to me, though!

        • Er, I don’t know what I’m talking about. It’s not first degree murder alone, but the “cruel, heinous, or depraved” elements of a murder that allow the State to seek the death penalty. This is probably Law 101 for most people here, but I’m just beginning to get it.

          This was posted on another thread, and it’s helpful for understanding just how important the ME’s testimony is:

          http://media2.abc15.com/html/pdf/Petition.pdf

          Still, I see things the way you do on this point, Dog: stabbing first, or gunshot first, neither would have been immediately incapacitating–somewhere in there, his throat was cut, and he was alive when that happened.

          • OR that help self defense? hmmm…
            note: i saw an ME state shot was LAST, no internal hermoragging…
            boy, u wouldnt think itd STILL B In question.

          • I’m inclined to believe the gun shot was not first because the casing was found on the floor on TOP OF a deposit of blood. To me that implies blood was already on the floor (stabbing first) then the gun shot (second) which dropped the casing on top of the pool of blood. If it were the other way around, gun shot first, the casing would have been on the floor and any blood loss after that would fall on top of the casing.

          • Sheesh, I forgot about that piece! About the clean casing on top of the blood. That will come up, I’m sure. That detail supports dr. Horn’s expert testimony about the shot being last. I wonder how big this detail will become. Any thoughts?

    • actually dog I blew up that so called dragging picture because I knew that thing that people were referring to as a foot could not have been a foot because of the shape of it and the large hole between the big and second toe… when I looked closely it looked like a bent up hand to me.

      • What? I know what you mean about the big hole between the toes, but some people have that boney shape to their feet–especially men.

        Whose hand would be way down there? I mean, whose body–of the two in the picture– would that hand belong to?

        Ugh, it’s so difficult to discuss the visual, perspective, etc … we need to put the picture on a real table and pore over it together!

        • I was thinking if he was slashed in throat first he would be bleeding and a struggle of course, which would result in bloodly footprints. Has anybody thought about this being a possiblity, to me he had to shot first.

          • Yes, its a real puzzle. Given the amount of blood on the carpet in the master bedroom at the beginning of the hallways to the bathroom you would think that either party (assuming Travis was still alive but bleeding badly at that point) would step in it and have it all over the soles of their feet or their shoes. There would be footprints all over the hallway.

            Or, if the large pool of blood on the carpet in the master bedroom is where the stabbing/throat injury occurred and assuming he was dead at that point and then dragged to the bathroom, there would be footprints and drag marks all down the hallway. Even in the bathroom blood splatter photos you see pools of blood but no foot or shoe prints in any of them. There aren’t even indications of wiping as if someone were wiping the floor to get rid of evidence of blood. Its very very peculiar.

          • The lack of bloody footprints, handprints, etc all over that bathroom and hallway is suspect. But, it was a tile floor and there was a clean-up effort, right? Wasn’t a red solo cup found in the shower underneath the body?

          • Bystander the cup was a white or clear cup. There wasn’t much blood in the shower so people have suspected, jodi cleaned him off. ( possibly could be the reason he was put back in the shower.) there were water marks on a box in the closet which showed a clean up effort. That is why there wasn’t more blood. I wish she hadn’t cleaned up. Just left it. Would have been better for SD.

          • Also, I don’t understand the “there were no drag marks”, etc. etc. I think even if you clean up blood (the drag marks) with bleach it still leaves enough for luminal to detect protein or blood or whatever. Anyone hear anything about those tests being done?

  259. Hi all,trying to follow this even tho I missed the whole prosecution case in the beginning! Ugh! OK so what do you all think of the magazine notes?Sounds like some are concerned it’ll let the jury write off JA’s whole testimony? I was hoping the writing would be completely different but it does look like hers. 🙁 Do you think she only did that cuz she was desperate/nervous? I wish she’d have just felt ok about telling what happened all along.That’s hard for so many battered women.Agreed Martinez was way too angry, JA held her own but wish she wouldn’t smirk, just kind of looked like she has two personalities, one demure for her atty. and one for the prosecution. Don’t like that, even though abused women do have to develop different modes to deal w/abuse at home and a separate ‘look’ for the public. Anyone know how she’s paying for her atty.? Is there a place to contribute? Just want your opinions since you all have been following since the beginning.

  260. One more thing, please, will she have any friends who can testify that she told them about the abuse, or that he was having her do things she didn’t want to do? If she gets found guilty, will she have anyone who can testify about her being a better person than the prosecution is saying? Was he that arrogant that he thought he could lunge at her in a football playing kind of tackle while she held a loaded gun and not get hurt? I haven’t seen much about him yet, wish I’d seen more!

    • Jodi stated during testimony that she didn’t tell anyone because she was protecting Travis. The only proof for most of the abuse is Jodi’s testimony although the sex tape and journal do confirm the sexual nature of the relationship. Matt said he knew about the finger but Jodi said on stand she didn’t tell anyone . SJ, what did you think about that?

  261. i woke up, it pretty late here east coast 3am… mz disgrace just happens to come on after forensic files… anyway, Lil Marti is just throwing out EVERYTHING he can to say to the jury that jodi is a liar.
    well, imo, she pretty much admitted that.

    she didnt put “awkward” situations re: TA in her journal, etc. i can buy that she didnt want to write those things for a few reasons. a journal imo is not always fact… and DETAILS of one’s life.

    oh lord, nancy disgrace is grossing me out! she loves herself so much, she thinks she is so much better than everyone.

    she just said putting on stand was a BIG mistake, that DA gonna tear her apart, etc.
    gee, HER LIFE is on the line, I WOULD WANT to testify too!

  264. Hi deb, What do you mean orchestrated and why do you think the magazine messages have opened the door for the letters to come in? I don’t see the correlation.

    • Daniel, I think She is saying that if Juan questions Jodi further on what the mag messages were referring to and shows that they are tied to the letters, that would lay the foundation for the letters to be introduced. Juan fought he letters before trial so he is not going to allow them to be introduced unless he can prove beyond a doubt they were forged. The orchestrated comment I think means (not trying to speak for her), is that Juan is purposely raising the letter issue so that they can be admitted as an exhibit. They have not been admitted up to this point.

  265. WELL I THINK JODI IS DOING A GREAT JOB! JUST LIKE SOMEONE SAID, WHO CAN NOT HELP FROM LAUGHING AT SOME GUY ACTING A FOOL IN FRONT OF YOU. AND ANOTHER THING, MAYBE MARTINEZ WANTS TO TRY POP ROCKS AND TOOTIES POPS HIMSELF. SHE IS HOLDING HER OWN AND DOING A GOOD JOB. OMG AND AS FAR AS HUGHES THEY MAKE ME SICK. SHE LOOKS LIKE SHE WOULD SCREW A SNAKE IF SOMEONE HELD IT HEAD. THEY KNOW JODI IS IN THE RIGHT.

  266. So many questions unanswered: Why hasn’t the roommate who found TA testified? I have just two word “Thomas Coleman”!!

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