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Jodi Arias Trial – Day 21 (+ my thoughts)

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The guilty/DP verdict the media (and many others) are hoping for just ain’t gonna happen.

Get used to it already.

I said that back in one of my first ever posts on December 28th last year — long before anyone even knew this site existed — and the same still applies. Even more so having heard Jodi testifying for 8 days.

I mean… girl meets boy. Girl gets verbally & physically abused by her outwardly “perfect” boyfriend for way too long. One day he threatens to kill her. She snaps and kills him in self-defense. It happens… and it happened here. Why is that so hard to grasp? Maybe it’s because it’s not “girl meets boy” at all. Instead it’s “Cute girl meets the perfect motivational Mormon speaker” — and any mention of abuse gets swiftly swept under the carpet like it doesn’t exist.

Roll all that together, and you have the ratings & profit driven mass-media produced “Jodi Arias Reality TV Show.”

But here’s the bottom line folks:

Pre-meditated murder left the building a long time ago – that’s assuming it was even there in the first place… and no amount of smirking, laughing, eye rolling or lynch-mob fuelled TV punditry is gonna change that.

Kudos again to Kirk Nurmi for the outstanding job he’s done over the past 2 weeks… and for all the probing questions he asked. I doubt there’ll be many questions Martinez raises that Kirk hasn’t previously asked. What Jodi did… why she did it… how she did it… when she did it… why the stories changed — and everything in-between. Those questions have already been answered.

Armed with very little aside assumption, speculation, hearsay, hot air, a gas can (and a few photographs), it’s ultimately gonna come down to Jodi’s word against Martinez’. And despite the valiant efforts of the little guy to turn this into a pissing match — there’s just no way all 12 jurors are gonna be convinced beyond and to the exclusion of all reasonable doubt. He knows that already. He’s known it for a long while. So has everyone else.

So let’s not stress too much over the verdict. Why? Because it’s already been decided. It’s just gonna be several more weeks before it’s “officially” announced.

Mr Martinez… you may proceed…

SJ
Team Jodi

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  1. The more I think about it, I really don’t think she acted alone. I’m not even 100% convinced she even did it. I think someone has threatened her that they will kill her family or Travis’s family if she turns them in. I think she is so scared and just feels like at this point she is at the point of no return and is just protecting him again by saying she did it. Or, even if she shot him, I’m not convinced she did everything else. I am just not convinced that she dragged him into the shower, sliced his neck all the way to his spinal cord etc. It just doesn’t make sense. I think someone was maybe trying to set Jodi up and that’s why the pictures were taken of him. It also raises many red flags about the roommates not noticing anything or trying to check on him.. I’m sure he wouldn’t just leave for 5 days and not tell anyone or ask someone to take care of his dog. I don’t know… I know I’m rambling but I just don’t think she did it alone or even did it at all.

    • Also, I’m sure his car was there. You would think the roommates would think that was very odd.

      • His roommates car WAS there and at some point even had to jump start the car, im with you, scappydoo, someone else did this n shes scared of these people n scared of coming out with it and be called out on this (she did ut in SD) lie too.

          • Agreed. How does a 5’6″ woman weighing 115 or 120 lbs win in mortal combat against a 5’9″ man weighing around 190 who had recently been obsessed with fitness, had punching bag, scales, etc. and the biceps that were photographed–115 lb female “wins” against former high school wrestler.

            Combat took place outside the shower-clear from the horrible blood on the carpet. Photographs show wet shower shoes.

            She says she shot first — that is the ONLY way this could have happened. Autopsy does not confirm that at all.

            So, if prosecution wants to continue down this line, defense should get identical-sized male and female just to show differential.

            No 115 lb female would “win” against this male if knife was used first. NO WAY — shower or no shower – he would have had that knife away from her SO fast.

            115 lb female cannot overpower 190 male this way.

            115 lb female does not emerge from fight of her life — fight to save her life with just a couple of wounds on the hand — NO WAY.

            Blood EVERYWHERE – she would have been covered from head to toe in a fight like that.

            Bright, articulate women don’t typically slash throats.

            Bright, articulate, potentially scheming women can come up with a better way to make someone disappear or make some effort toward that.

            Intelligent female sociopaths don’t leave fingerprint and palm print at scene of crime and leave with no effort to clean up.

            I don’t see compelling evidence for jealousy hypothesis. He expressed jealous thoughts every bit as much as her or more in texts. 3 weeks before death, he sent text that she was one of the prettiest girls on the planet. When you tell woman something like that, no, she is not “stalker.” Don’t think tire-slashing is fact – just something TA alleged to roommates/friends–if tires slashed, TWICE — no receipts for replacement tires???

            No prior history of similar behavior in other relationships? Do not believe this stalker aspect.

            There was a relationship — odd and secret as it was. Yes, sure she enjoyed it but definitely not all of it.

            Whatever it was, it was more than just dropping a camera.

            Could prosecution have totally missed the mark on motive?

            Does the evidence indicate she could have done this alone?

            That is really the bottom line.

            Baffled.

            • Read, ” The God Makers,” for the preferred method of blood oath, blood atonement, eternal, soul saving, mercy killing…and, the sacred self sacrifice, ritual… then, the thousand person wake, was as much a soul saving, ultimate martyrdom, of, a celebration, for, Travis’s ascension to planet playboy, and, all those, virgin angels… as, a sobfest; concealed by, the quasireligious tone, as feigned… Read, about the precise parallel, between, Anderson, praying on the side of his grave, while, out of love, of course, he was being, atoned, by submitting to his blood oath, blood atonement, heart plunge, ear to ear, throat slice, ascension to planet playboy and, all, those virgin angels; the reward for his demise, for, fornicating his step daughter of course, translated, that, he gets to do, there, with emphasis on virgin angels, what, got him ritualized for here on planet, evil… Does, this actually, compute, for you ??? Read, Brighamist Youngs,” admonitions, and, revealments; “we would not kill a man, except out of love, to, save his eternal soul… ” Read the book, and, the ritual; heart plunge, bleed out, down into the grave or, shower… body washed, clothes or bedding washed… Alexander, and, Anderson… ritual sacrifices; not, a murder, at all; as in no differently than a nurse, pulling the plug, or, and, the state, executing people as if, they, are above the law; but, the religions are not equally entitled to their, authority, as well; whatwith, separation between, church and state; either being equal, under the law, except that the state is motivated by delusions of grandeur, while the church, is just demented; preaching an afterlife full of virgins, to dupe their miscreants, out of this life… Read all the early LSD/LDS books for how much the marauding, quasireligious bandits, knocked off the settlers, wagon trains,, AND, KILLED ALL BUT THE WOMEN THEY WANTED TO TURN OVER TO THE SOCALLED PROPHET, who stayed home and, “married,” their wives and daughters, behind their backs, while they fought and some died, so the lechers in chief, bastardized, the children , from such, bastardry… and, these lizards were actually, worshipped… All, in the books, some, written, long ago, by those who were there… So, was, Travis, a self sacrifice, on the alteration ritual, or, was he murdered ??? Depends upon who you ask, that won’t hide behind religious privilege… as to, who, ratted, Travis, out to the Bishop… which, Travis, likely thought was, Jodi… and, hiding the camera in the bedding, would have fired Travis up; if we’re to believe that a mouse could actually derail a freight train… Why hasn’t the Bishop, come forward, to name the suspect that ratted Travis and, his perversions, all documented, out,..??? Why, have none of these issues been put to the jury, as at least, for, the reasonable doubts, that they are, if not, because these lizards at law, have political careers, and, there are, all those Mormon voters… Five years, of these comments, and, not one put to the jury… What then, did they decide, about, with such ignorance of reasonable doubts, galloping in this soap opera…??? Edgar… read the books… Suicide, is the murder of, ones, self… Trading Jodi in on a planet full of virgins, all for yourself, is reasonable, if, you’re simpleminded enough to believe that your religion, owns the imaginary, afterlife… and, your religion sees fit to kill you, for doing what all those celestial virgins are waiting to let you do to them, what got you, iced for, here… Two hundred year old, virgins, are, punishment, enough for anyone; Travis, should have counted his blessings…

    • I’d have to agree with scrappydoo regarding Travis not leaving the dog unattended. I also find it curious why his roommates did not notice his car still at home for all those days. Great observation! What I feel about yesterday’s testimony has more to do with personal experience, which as many of us have already stated, is due to domestic abuse we have experienced. When Jodi started talking about what she could and couldn’t recall happening that day, I experienced vivid memories of being in the same situation. Before she even said she couldn’t remember this or that, I sensed she was leading up to that. Anyone who has been thru as traumatic event as she was, knows that feeling of complete memory loss which occurs during the events most traumatic moments. Yesterday brought back some horrific memories for me as I sat there listening and recanted in my head having sat thru a trial being hounded by the prosecutor for answers to questions I did not have any recollection of. That is NOT unusual, an excuse, or something so out of the ordinary. I know first hand that your memory can easily shut down because the memories are too horrific for reality. I haven’t changed my mind at all about whether or not she should receive the DP over Travis’ death. I still stand in support of Jodi and have said some prayers in her favor. What made me mad yesterday is the realization that nobody was there to defend Jodi on the premise that this can and does happen. I understand this would not be the time in the trial to introduce additional expert testimony on such things as loss of memory during a traumatic event, but it should have already been done if they were going to try and make it believable to the jury. How many of them have ever experienced this or have any knowledge of this mental state in a traumatic situation? What a shame because I believe this is highly pertinent in her defense. As for the media mocking her yesterday and probably ongoing regarding her “sudden memory loss” as they put it, when all along she has vivid recollection of current and past events, right down to the very last details of dates and other things…that just makes me sick. They need to lay off. She has been thru the most horrific of horrific events and any expert would tell you this is perfectly normal in this situation. It doesn’t mean she is crazy or anything like that. It doesn’t mean she did or didn’t do anything in particular, but it does mean that she does not remember the moments which her memory shut down from being faced with an event more traumatic than her mind could handle. She said something else which made perfect sense to me. Jodi made the statement that memories would come back to her over time in the past several years, little bits at a time, and how it’s more like seeing a picture and something sparked a memory…or was the idea placed in her head to force her recollection? Again, I have to say I also experienced this. It has been many years since I was traumatically attacked, but even today, some little something will spark a memory inside my head and suddenly I will remember a little bit more that I did not remember during the trial. In my case, I could not provide enough details to prove his guilt…what a shame. Jodi isn’t lying when she claims this is happening to her, it is very real. It makes me sick to listen to her being called a liar day after day and now the media is having fun with her calling her a liar just because she cannot remember something. It doesn’t make you a liar. It only means you cannot recall. What is wrong with her attorney not covering his bases and getting a professional in there who could refute any doubt about her memory lapses and showing the jury it is a very real state of mind that can occur. Will the unskilled jury who has never experienced something like this believe she is telling the truth when she states she cannot recall??? Is that important to the trial? Yes, I believe it is. How many guilty people have used that on the stand? That is what we are hearing from the media right now. They claim she “conveniently” cannot recall certain things, and they keep calling her a liar. They bank on her memory being so bright throughout the trial until now, as their proof she is lying. I hope the jury is smarter than that. I think Jodi has been honest thru the entire trial and feel her spiritual beliefs are guiding her conscience to recall that day as honestly as she recalls. I’m sure there are a lot of us out here who listened to Jodi’s testimony yesterday and knew she was telling the truth about not remembering thru our personal experiences. As they panned the courtroom and showed those present, I could see it in the faces of many of them that whether they first believed she should be given the DP or not, she had captivated the attention of everyone with her claims and I believe for the first time many of them actually felt for her and are beginning to see Travis as the person he truly was. Jodi was been injured by Travis’ abuse and the final straw was the moment of her most horrific fear. PTSD. Fight or Flight. Plain and clear.

      • I agree with all of you. Jodi is a tiny lady and Travis was a Big Boy. What I am saying is I find it hard to believe that she moved him alone. Somedays I have trouble picking up my 9 year old when we are playing and she is little like 60 pounds. Travis would of been sorry for this phrase but he would of been dead weight at that time andwould of been even harder to move. Sorry but I do not think that she would of been able to move him alone. Also he had all these roommates and she would of been fearful that they would come home and “catch” her….so she would of been in a rush thus she wouldnt of been able to slowly move him. I dont know who but I do think that someone either heard what was going on after she fired the gun and came in and stabbed him in the back with the knife to get him off of Jodi. TA could of had his hands around Jodis neck choaking her, because if I recall correctly she said she thinks she passed out at some point, an the person grabbed the knife off of the counter in the bathroom, the one used to cut the rope, and began stabbing TA in the back.
        Another point is that she never was violent before that day or after that day. Many are saying that TA could not of done the things Jodi says he did because he was not violent with anyone else. Well JODI couldnt of done the things they say she did because she wasn’t violent with anyone else. JODI is a victim of domestic violence! It is common when a woman finally defends herself that she does not remember every move she makes because it happens SO FAST!!! I feel like we are still in the dark ages watching this trial because of how they are treating her the victim of a violent man!!! Look at the massive amounts of emails between them and the way he talked to her in them…..does a man typically call someone he loves his WHORE or a DIRTY SLUT??? Isnt the fact that he told family and friends that it was over with her and then was still communiating withher and sleeping with her a sign that HE WAS THE LIER?? He lied to his family, he lied to his friends, he lied to his church but he was the good one in all this?? Jodi conformed to what TA wanted to his religion, to his sexual practices (with the exception of his pedifile ways), she conformed to his thoughts, his interests, THIS IS CLEARLY a woman that was doing everything to make TA happy and for there not to be a remote chance they would disagree on ANYTHING!!! She saw TA as a great man and that if he got upset it WAS HER FAULT not his that he acted that way. She shows the typical if ONLYS that all ictims of domestic violence tell themselves. If only I am a better person, if only I wear my hair this color he will be more attracted to me, if I pretend to be a little boy he will leave the real little boys alone, HER whole testimony shows this HOW STUPID are the talking media heads. You would think they would have better grasp on reality after they had to eat their words after the Casey Anthony verdict. They made her the most hated women in America and they are doing the same thing to Jodi. I pray when she is vindicated on the day of the verdict that she doesnt have to live in Hiding likeCasey Anthony does. Sorry I kinda carred on but my fiance believs she is guilty so this is my one place to discuss this case with SMART PEOPLE!! Thank you for this site.

        • Also, that was a fairly small shower and it seems someone of her size wouldn’t be able to place him in the shower like that. I can see Jennifer’s theory that someone else came in and stabbed him in the back. Maybe someone else brought the gun as well. I don’t know if I’m buying the part where she found something to stand on to get his gun off the top shelf when he is charging after her. A gun which happened to be a loaded gun but no other ammunition in the house.

          Have all of the roommates been questioned? Called to the stand?

          She is covering for someone. Or maybe she was there but is so traumatized that she thinks maybe she did do it.

          • We already know she lied in the video interrogations Fartinez. Nurmi the great already covered that.

          • If only, some of you, obviously with reasoning capability, were on the jury… Let’s not forget that, somebody is getting away with this killing; my vote, is, that, the quasireligious, duct taped praying hands, is the clue. Why wasn’t the duct tape, fingerprinted, or, like Jon Benet, the duct tape, disappeared…???

      • I agree with you100%. I realised this, about having something traumatic happen to a person and having memory loss as a result of it being too horrific to recall, I thought it was common knowledege and have been wondering why there’s been no expert in court for the defense; is it really too late?. It makes me sick when I’ve seen posts of so many that think she’s lying, when I know Jodi has been truthful throughout and is innocent and it stands out a mile. I have been defending her but realise that its futile as I feel they want to believe it, I’m truly horrified, and the vitriol I get back is disgusting. I worry too about her safety. I would love her to get away when she can and come to the UK, away from that vile family of Travis’ and be safe, as there’s no telling what they would do, I would love her to come to me, she needs love and tender care. I’m sadly of the opinion that the more truthful and pure someone is, the more the public are against them. I hadn’t thought about someone else being involved but what you put forth does make sense and I agree that someone in the place would have seen TA’s car parked there..

        • Yes, Heather; his car, and, her car, where, her license plate was turned upside down… which, with such premeditation she, wouldn’t have done, to avoid detection as the claim about the cans of gasoline… which, she could have used to smoke the crime scene…

      • The experts for the defense will likely testify after JA does…will work better for defense team, as experts can speak to the things JA has already stated or displayed. It seems as if you are under the impression that JA is the last witness to testify for the defense and this is not the case.

    • I agree. My issue with the testimony yesterday was that if she can’t remember how does she know for sure she did it?

      Now I know the most likely explanation will be trauma induced amnesia and that’s very plausible, but when I factor in everything I know, things you mentioned, I’m not SOLD about her doing all that.

      If I were in her spot, and I couldn’t remember, Id be wondering what I did or if I did what they say I did. That’s just the way my mind works. I would have to know what happened eventually even if that took chancing hypnosis and other psychological approaches to help me remember.

        • The mind has a way of blocking out traumatic events. Hers is by no means the first case to have this happen.

          She doesn’t deny killing him even if she can’t remember everything.

          The prosecution simply cannot prove premeditation. They don’t have to prove guilt because she’s admitted to it. They simply can’t prove it was murder one.

          • I bet its good too Tonysam that she cant remember. He cannot cross her on stuff she can’t remember.

            I agree trauma will do this. I understand that. I was commenting that with me, I would be wanting to know if I didnt remember because I wouldn’t trust that I was being told the truth about what i did. I would wonder if someone else did come in etc. 🙂

          • I would want to know too JC. But we have to remember that Jodi is a littke different n she’ll take the blame n shes very gullible so she’ll believe almost everything they tell her.

          • But they can explain this kind of trauma is common with PTSD and similar disorders.

            She’s already admitted to killing Travis. That’s the bottom line.

      • I asked her, years ago, why she thinks she did this… jail correspondence is fleeting at best….

      • oops, meant to spell ‘suggesting’.

        Additionally, I’m not sure it is in Jodi’s favor for people to continue to paint her to still be a liar. On the one hand, she is being attacked by some, especially in the media…for having lied before (the cover up). But if we are to believe in her now..and find her credible now… as regards the abuse, etc., then we have to believe her in whole. So to say she is still lying on the stand, does her no favors. If the state can convince the jury that she’s lied about any part of her testimony, I think the state is then allowed to say that if any part of her testimony is a lie, they can consider all of it a lie? Something like that.

        • But if it were true, it doesn’t prove premeditation. That’s what the jury is deciding as to what the degree this murder was and what the punishment should be.

          Everything else is what was called in “Perry Mason” a “fishing expedition.”

    • scrappydoo,you are certainly not rambling.I’m with you and the questions you raised have been raised before.it just doesnt make any sense…there are so many odd or ”off” things in this case,so many unanswered questions.

    • I just thought of something. The roommates said the doggie gate was in front of the stairs blocking the dogs access to upstairs. This had never been done before. There is only one set of stairs in the house. The doggie gate was still in place when the police arrived? So the roommates hopped the doggie gate for 5 days, never moving it out of their way while coming and going out of the house?

      • Omg EXACTLY Trixels!! And the vacuum! ! They never moved the damn thing out of the way? ? The were just going around and jumping through stuff all over the house? ?? No. They were up to something, they were covering up until someone else came to look for TA and then pretend they THOUGHT he was already in Mexico! Yea, great excuse!

    • If there was someone that helped her, we will never know. She is taking the blame and has already admited to the murder. She was involved some way or another and he did not deserve to die that way. I understand he was mean to her. I also understnad if she finally snapped. I also believe it may not have been pre-meditation. I do feel bad for her to a point. I can understand why she kept going back. And I knew she knew deep down that it was wrong but she kept going back. She loved him,
      About the stench int he house….remember thsi si a almost 5,000 sq foot house. So there is a possiblity they didnt smell anything. He was found dead in the shower for petes sake.

      • Extorted compliance, is not a confession; try living for five years on Freddy Kruger sandwiches, and, see how rational, you’ll be…

    • I admit that she has does appear to show the signs of Borderline Personality Disorder but that doesn’t make her a killer. After all, people with BPD are all around us and many of them are high functioning.

    • I like what scrappydoo had said about the doubts. I totally feel the same way….first I want to point out the shoe prints of blood on the floor why wasnt this evidence to prove her not guilty by the defence bcuz if she says she was having sex with him and all that and basically theres pictures of her totally nude why would she be wearing boots. Thats my point second I have a cousin her size theres no way she could lift even a 50lb box let alone a 180lb man who is listless. There was someone there her first interview with police I dont think she lied I think she was telling the truth there isnt even the murder weapons available if she was gunna 100% fess up dont u think she would provide them with those weapons but I think she cant bcuz she didnt do it. I think she is just the easiest target for the police bcuz her hair and her hand prints …..another point they dont mention is the blood in the closet I think she was in there hiding as the intruders did this henious crime but for some reason this isnt a point the lawyers of Jodi want to mention to keep her even out of jail. I feel really bad for her bcuz I think if the jury does decide the death penalty then they are murderers themselves.

  2. SJ
    good post, u made me chuckle a FEW times.
    the DA wants death for HIS NAME. as many here feel, this is NOT a dp case.

    jodi should be getting PAID for all the $ she’s generating for the media. that may be a lil crass considering the circumstances, but im sure ppl here kno what i mean.

  3. Some of us are wondering about gaps in her testimony and the story in general, like what about the camera, why no drag marks, the stench, his dog unattended, the laundry…..Nurmi did a great job on covering as many bases as possible. The questions left in our minds will hopefully be answered by the experts or maybe they were left open for the jury to ponder also.

    • Re: the dog unattended…. I’m presuming Travis traveled often for his “job” (sorry, I don’t consider pyramid scams an actual job) so he may have had prior arrangements with a dog sitter for example that came in daily to feed/water the dog. He installed a doggy door from what I hear so the dog could go in and out on its own. When the roommate(s) were home they may have just assumed a dog sitter was taking care of the dog.

      But as for the stench… that’s a whole different story and not at all believable that Zachary and his girlfriend did not smell anything at all.

      And drag marks… anyone that has ever done a finger painting knows, you have paint on a canvas and drag your fingers through it, its going to leave trails. Same, you have blood all over the floor and drag someones heels through it, its going to leave a trail. Even the section on carpet, if there was that much blood and a body was dragged across it, it would have left a noticeable trail as the carpet matting lay down from the weight of the body.

      • I had the same questions about the drag marks but then I saw the water marks on the boxes. I think the shower was left on when he went chasing Jodi and water got all over the floor so maybe the drag marks would of notbeen there because of all the water. Also WHO TURNED OFF THE SHOWER??
        Another question regarding TAs car that was still in the driveway. Did he typically leave it at home when he left to go out of town to scam people…..ooppss I mean to work? Also the smell of decomposition would of been all through the house it was summer for gosh sakes!! I have left meat in my trash can in my airconditioned home for two days in the summer and it smells I think these roommates would of smelled something.

      • Dog,

        And what about the dog going crazy with the smell of decomp? now I believe Deanna took care of the dog but Im not sure if she did that at her home or his. I do know she has the dog now because he willed her the dog.

        But dogs smell decomp and it drives them nuts. I picture him scratching where he was gated off, whining and acting like a dog who wants get to the smell!

        • point about Deanna was if she took care of the dog at her home normally, then wouldn’t the roommates know the dog was not being taken care of?

          I sware I heard Jodi say the dog was cared by Deanna and that Deanna used to take the dog.

          ( Correct me if I’m wrong.)

          • But we all know that the dog was there the day that TA died because Jodi testified that she was playing with the dog in his office. So he had to be there unless Deanna had a schedule where she just wentinto his empty house and took the dog on certain days

      • During the first days of testimony the girl who found him says she smelled the stench as soon as she walked in the front door. That’s downstairs. The room mates had rooms across from Travis’ dead rotting body. No way in hell they didn’t smell that.

        Would seem to me that the only reason a person would not investigate the fetid rotting odor coming from behind Travis’ locked bedroom door, would be if said person……already knew what was there.

        • Yup, and they were probably praying waiting and wanting someone to hurry n come look for TA. Theres so many things… everything u guys mentioned above and what about the blood stain on the Wshing machine, they never saw that? And TA ring on the counter that he never took off?!

        • Guys, I believe the roomates u are talking about went to mexico the day b4 he was murdered. I dnt believe they were in the house until they got back…im pretty sure they said they were away

          • Please read the investigative report made by Flores. Its posted on this site under “court documents”. Its brain numbing….

      • And, the dog, witness, wouldn’t freak, when faced with the perpetrator…??? Dogs don’t lie… Edgar…

  4. Is it possible Jodi could be aquitted and be allowed to go free? I won’t be happy with any other verdict. Jodi IS innocent. My heart goes out to her. I WISH I was a member of that jury, I’m so sad for all that Jodi has gone through and is still having to go through, it makes me weep, her innocence stands out a mile, why, just WHY won’t others see this? I feel so angry about it. I spend my days defending her, everything else in my life is secondary.

    • It is possible. If everyone on the jury agrees that it was self-defense, she’ll be acquitted.

      Great post, SJ! I love that you always keep the faith :).

      • Kira 😉

        I think an acquittal would be great! Nevertheless, I think a more realistic outcome would be manslaughter plus time served, out in 1/3 of the time on good behavior. She could get about four to seven years at the most. For example If they gave her 25 years, she’d be eligible in 8.3 years but with time served, she would be out in four or less.

        Why i think she will serve some time is because the jury is conservative, and there are more men than women. Conservatives tend to think that if someone takes a life regardless of the reason, that there has to be some kind of punishment. I think there are enough potential hold outs on the jury that manslaughter is more conceivable.

        Your thoughts?

        • I agree JC. Sadly.
          You hit the nail on the head as far as the jury thinking, if you kill someone – you have to do some time, regardless of the reason.

          Wish she would be acquitted – but just don’t see the entire jury not feeling that she should serve time for killing Travis.

        • Actually for a 22 year max sentence possible in Arizona, she would have to serve 16 minimum. So she could be out in 12 years.

        • Agreed JC, and I think that she will serve some time too. I should have said that it’s possible but not probable that she’ll be acquitted.

      • Thanks Kira, I do, I’m desperately worried about her and she’s only a few years younger than my daughter. You have made me laugh more than once, Kira, you’ve a great sense of humour! 🙂 Its just so lovely to have this site where there is so much love for her. it really is. Can things we have said here be passed to Kirk Nurmi, such as having a trauma expert in the court and other things here that we can’t make sense of? I can’t think of her not being aquitted, there’s got to be no stone left unturned.

          • Thanks, Kira, you’re a love 🙂 You know, I should be asleep, its 3am, well its 5am now, slept for 4 hours and have woken up wide awake. Its because I missed the trial yesterday, dreading watching it on the one hand, but not on the other. I’m not a violent woman but I could sock Martinez right between the eyes, he’s so hateful, words aren’t strong enough.. I want to say it–he’s a total bastard. I thought I might feel somewhat better getting that out, but it doesn’t scratch the surface. Maybe its just as well I’m not in that courtroom.. I’m sure I’d be turned out or worse!

    • Unfortunately, even if she was acquitted, she will never be able to live a normal life. There are too many headhunters out there, and these mormon friends and family of Travis’ – whoa, crazy bunch of fanatical cult members.

  5. I want to put Martinez in jail, along with Flores and Chris and Sky Hughes. Something seriously wrong with these people. I can’t stand the sight of Martinez, he’s simply vile.

    • Martinez, Flores, the Hugheses, and Travis’s other creepy friends make my skin crawl. Guess what? Chris Hughes is still watching the trial, which means that Sky most definitely is too.

      The victim’s best friend, Chris Hughes, is watching Arias’ graphic testimony online from his home in Utah.
      “I’m just over it, you know. I’m done with the lies. She’s already admitted to killing him and she’s doing it again with character assassination and all of these ridiculous lies that are unsubstantiated, by the way,” said Hughes.

      Hughes realized their stay is expensive and wanted to help them.
      “We’ve had people reach out to us and say ‘Hey,’ I mean total strangers, people that don’t know us or the Alexanders. They said “Look my heart is sick for what this family is going through and they must be financially strapped’ and they said ‘Look what can I do to help?'” said Hughes.
      Hughes has set up a Facebook page in Travis Alexander’s honor.

      http://www.azfamily.com/news/Exclusi…192139821.html

      Assholes.

      Martinez doesn’t care about justice for Travis like the hater sites claim. He wants all of the glory of a DP conviction for himself. That’s why he’s never reasonable about plea bargaining in cases that are clearly not murder 1.

      • Yeh, nice site. I like how Chris wrote that an unemployed single mom was giving money too. I noticed the mormon crew didn’t say – no don’t support yourself and child. It’s one thing to raise money for the family to be there to support a defendant but for them just to be there to eye roll?? When they could be watching it on television is a joke. Denial is a strong thing. If they admit Travis wasn’t who they thought he was- then they were all duped. They don’t want to admit that.

        • I thought that Mormons take care of their own – I’ve heard that etc. As long as one tithes, they pay rent or house payments for months,

          So I find it odd that the church is not helping the family of Travis. His sister was married in the temple after he died so she is temple worthy ( assuming).

          For example, the night of the killing, the roommates were put up with families immediately and lived there for months!

          I find it odd they need to take donations when part of a church who is very generous in helping their own.

          But maybe I’m wrong and if there are any LDS members on the site, I would like their feedback!

      • Hughes can insult all he wants. These two are the BIGGEST hypocrites I have EVER seen. Chris is the vice president on some school board, and Sky works with abused children. WTF? Did they know before all of this TA liked little boys? Did they continue to let him spend the night and play with their kids if they had even the SLIGHTEST suspicion? Would they let him over TODAY after what Jodi has said, to spend the night and wrestle around with their little boys? Really? Sky and Chris tell the little kids whom you are supposed to be guiding, when you tell, we will listen, we will believe you, UNLESS your abuser is friendly, attractive, successful, then obviously they could not be bad, right?
        The most elementary of lessons of abuse is this: What does a bad guy look like? Don’t we teach our kids that bad people can come in all different shapes, sizes, colors, status. If either of these two worked for my child’s school, or if my child were in an any sort of program where SKY was supposed to be an advocate for ANYTHING I would get my kids FAR away from them.

        • Many have pointed out, probably correctly, Chris’s true motive for doing what he is doing, and that has to do with his bottom line. He is supposedly this very rich, very successful individual whose videos on YouTube I have looked at. It’s all about how to get rich quick.

          It’s again about the image although not about the Mormon church’s image.

          • One of my biggest peeves is rich people setting up donation jars so that the lower income people can give away their money to help others. If people like Chris Hughes are so well to do, they should put the money out of their pocket – period. Open up that safe behind the picture on the wall and give Travis’ family a wad of cash if you really believe they are that hard up. Don’t take money from people that need it to feed their children and give to people so they can eat at classy restaurants. This Hughes character strikes me as the kind of cocky a-hole I’d punch square in the face if I had to listen to him ramble for more than two minutes.

          • Chris Hughes built up Travis and I’m sure took credit for his success. Travis was not truly successful. He went through the motions; traveled all over the country, owned a home and had an impressive title. Meanwhile in reality, he had terrible money problems; he had to have roommates to afford the mortgage and asked friends for loans. He could not even manage to have a lasting dating relationship and did not speak to several family members.

            When Chris Hughes defends Travis, he is defending himself. He is invested in maintaining the image of the rags to riches Mormon superstar.

          • Where do Sky and Chris Hughes live?

            Chris and Sky Hughes lived in Murreitta and Temecula. Both are in Riverside County. I can’t find Riverside County records indicating they bought or sold properties there.

            I think they live in Heber City which is in Wasatch County, Utah – same story, no real estate in their names.

            My not having found county records of home ownership doesn’t mean very much. I just know I haven’t found real estate in their names for two counties in which I believe they’ve lived.

            Does anyone know where they own real estate?

            We can’t say they’re just putting up a sham like Travis apparently was, but we can say that they’re pretty good at hiding real estate assets in Riverside and Wasatch Counties, or they were renters.

            -Jon

      • He’s a total rat and Hughes isn’t far behind him, I find myself yelling at my computer screen. To watch him in court (I caught only a bit of the trial yesterday when he was interrogating Jodi, as my laptop decided to play up!, yes I was mad at it and called it a few choice words!) and its sickening watching him get all excited. I wonder if he talks fast to unnerve her and try to stop her from having time to collect her thoughts, Kirk speaks slowly so everyone has a chance to listen properly. I’m going to watch it all, I can’t miss a thing. The daily trials reach London between 5 and 6 pm. I’m full of praise for Kirk, he has been brilliant and pre-empting many questions that he knows Martinez will be cross examining her about, plus has enormous patience; now its Martinez’s turn to get some of his own medicine, I so detest that total apology of what is meant to be a human being.

    • I know this might sound a little far-fetched, but in a way Jodi was going up against the Mormon church, and many of these people will act like a bee hive and gang up together to protect the church. With many of these people, it’s all about the image.

      The problem with this whole case is these zombies got control of the narrative to begin with, starting with 48 Hours, and promoting the absurd idea Jodi was this “evil’ stalker who killed their beloved Travis because of jealousy. This despite the fact they never really knew him at all. They got control of the narrative with the HLN lynch mob and they’ve never let go, despite the fact there simply is NO evidence whatsoever of premeditation, despite the fact Travis continually contacted Jodi up until her death. There is also no evidence whatsoever anybody other than Jodi killed him, so while many speculate other alternatives, the defense wasn’t that silly to try and pin the murder onto somebody else.

      What is truly scary for anybody who cares about justice in this country is we have a media that is willing to whip up a lynch mob mentality, all for ratings. It’s scandalous.

      I don’t expect Shanna Hogan, in her upcoming book about the case, to divert from the ridiculous narrative the Mormon crowd has created despite all of the facts not supporting it.

      • Shanna Hogan goes in whatever direction she thinks will make her money. That’s why she hasn’t finished her book yet.

        Trust me, if Jodi gets off, her book will probably go in another direction.

        ALSO, Shanna dropped the possibility of writing a book about a man convicted of a crime that he very likely did not commit to “jump” on the Travis Alexander band wagon.

        I have no respect for these so-called “journalists.” They are NOT interested in the truth – only what will bring them ratings and / or money.

    • I can’t stand Chris and Sky Hughes. They are so fake. Chris has had several websites talking about how rich he is. I call BS on them whining about trip expenses. When it comes down to it, Chris and Sky are jokes. They made money through a screwed up MLM company. They aren’t movie or TV stars who work 12-18 hour days on film sets, they aren’t pro athletes who play through pain, they aren’t doctors or lawyers, and they aren’t respectable business people. It is joke that they have managed to get wealthy. I hope they lose their wealth someday because they never worked hard for it and they know it.

      • It shows how phony they are that they’re not offering to help Travis’ family with expenses. He was their best friend and apparently they’re super rich! No, they’ll just let strangers take care of it.

  6. I have followed this case since Jodi was arrested. Up until this point I always thought she had killed him (even though likely justified). I have to wonder now if maybe she didn’t. The gun could have come from Travis’s home (don’t tell me oh Travis was a saint he wouldn’t have had a gun because we all know what that means). It was not recovered. Why no drag marks? She is/was a small woman. I don’t see how she could have had the adrenaline to pull him across the room and slice him up so severely after he was already shot. Travis was big. I mean why not just leave him did or do stab wounds. The severing and slicing seems so much more like what a stronger person could do. Unless her blind rage was a result of still fearing for her life. There was NO evidence presented that she had ever been abusive to him and in all the texts we’ve heard so far he is the one with the temper!

    Events really could have gone done the way Jodi says they did. He could have threatened her- once she got the gun he may have had every intent to kill her.

    The roommate stories don’t make sense. 5 days and NO ONE noticed. She could have shot him and someone came in and finished him off. Who knows how many enemies Travis had with all his talk of punishment and revenge. What a hypocrite he was and his family is- portraying him as some sort of saint. He kept up appearances with his lavish lifestyle while drowning in debt and a joke of a job (ahem…a MLM salesman). He could have owed money all over town.

    I always thought Travis pushed her buttons too far- now I am 100% something happened there to make her fully believe her life was in danger.

    I hope she is freed.

    I am further disgusted by the media portraying her as a w**** and a s*** and particularly comments from men. This is a sad state of our society where women are subjected to such abuse- when the men are elevated and their behavior is dismissed as a personal transgression. She was a grown woman with a sex life and didn’t pretend otherwise. Big deal. Travis was a mormon elder who pretended to be a virgin- what’s worse??

  7. Good morning,

    Did Nurmi ask Jodie why she took the picture of the short and t-shirt (TA names on it) after the death? If so, can someone recap for me? I missed that part if it was covered.

  8. Why did Jodi admit to killing him when in her testimony she said she was pointing the gun at him to stop his advances but when it went off she 1) did not mean to shoot, she didn’t know the trigger was (cocked?), and 2) she did not know she had hit him. He continued to advance on her after that indicating he was NOT dead from the bullet, and then she has no recollection of stabbing him. Is she just assuming he died as a result of her actions?

    • Exactly Dog- She did not admit to killing him. She never even used the words “I killed him” she kept saying “what I did”

      • Oh I thought at some point in earlier days, maybe prior to the start of the trial in other interviews, that she had actually admitted to killing him?

  9. Good Mornin’, Team Jodi! Sorry if I was crabby yesterday; I’d only gotten about 3 1/2 hours of sleep the 2 prior nights, on top of the fact that I’ve caught the latest virus my daughter brought home from school.

    I got about 5 hours of sleep last night, which is still not GREAT, but I’ll take it, LOL! 🙂

    Yesterday, I felt very unsettled with Jodi’s testimony. I still have some very valid concerns, which I wrote about yesterday about the actual killing itself and some of the surrounding events, but looking back with a more clear and rested mind this morning, they don’t seem nearly as much of a blow to the Defense as they felt to me yesterday.

    I’m looking forward to Mini-Martinez’s cross of Jodi today… Not looking forward to Jodi being in the position of him questioning her (I’m sure we’ll hear a lot of “Objection, your Honor. He’s Badgering the witness!”, “Objection. Asked and answered.”, “Objection! Relevance?”, “Objection! He’s not letting Ms. Arias answer the question.” etc. from Nurmi!) , but I’m hoping that Teacup Pitbull (TP from now on) will question Jodi in his normal style: Pushy, Rude, Loud, ad nauseum; It can only demonstrate to the jury Jodi’s good qualities like being polite, humble, and *honest*, while also showing how delicate, fragile, and damaged her psyche is from the 2 years of abuse she suffered at the hands of another big-headed, degrading, hostile man… Travis. When TP badgers her to the point of her breaking down, yes, I’ll be pissed off at him, my heart will be breaking for Jodi, **BUT** I also think it’s the exact reaction that the jury may just need to see to cement exactly how abused Jodi was (even though Jodi is still trying to downplay it out of respect for Travis). I hope this all doesn’t sound cold of me! I honestly think it could be the pivotal “If the glove doesn’t fit, you must acquit!” moment in this trial, and could be the difference between Jodi being found guilty of 1st or 2nd Degree Murder and Jodi being found guilty of Manslaughter or even being outright acquitted.

    The Prosecution’s case is chock-full of reasonable doubt to begin with. TP (based on his history) is most likely going try to make the case seem stronger than it actually is by bullying Jodi, throwing any and all shit at the wall, just praying that something sticks… And the jury will see right through it, just as we do!

    Hugs to all of you on Team Jodi today… We’ll stand til the end!!!

    • She’s already shown she’s very polite, every time she was asked a question and began answering before TP ‘objected’ she would say “I’m sorry”. I had to laugh a few days ago Nurmi told her “You don’t have to apologize to him”… lol

      But on a less humorous note, apologizing like that can indicate two things; A person who was raised to be respectful of others, and a person who has been abused and has grown accustomed to instinctively apologize for “speaking out of turn” to avoid “the wrath” of their abuser.

      • I feel for what she is going to go through today….Martenez is not a NICE man at all!!! I have read other cases and he GOES AFTER the people the defense puts on the stand. I have been on the stand and know how scarey it is!!! Though I was only on the stand for a short time IT is torture. I wish that many of us could be in the cour room tody so she could at least look out and see some people who believe in her opposed to the eye rollers and lemon suckers!! Does anyone know who the bald man that sits between the two is??

    • I looked and it might be because of too little sleep but I can’t see what you are seeing. There is some thing on the desk that I can’t identify though?

      • I dont think its a Barbie, but I cant tell what exactly it is.
        Too little definition I think to be a Barbie.
        Like, I dont see legs – or arms – or bumps (for boobs) or anything like that.

        I could be wrong though!

  11. I think that Kurmi did a very good job being both the defense and prosecution attorney, now whatever question Martinez asks, Kurmi can object stating already asked and answered!

    • @Debbie, I think the Asked & Answered objection can only be used against the attorney who has already asked the question. Not the opposing attorney when its his or her turn. In other words, I think Martinez can ask a question that Nurmi asked, but the objection can arise from Nurmi if Martinez badgers Jodi by asking her the same question (repeating) that she has already answered. In this case, it would likely drive a sidebar where the state will claim she didn’t actually answer. (like say digressing into a story on a yes or no question) I also think each state has its own rules of evidence and some don’t have the Asked & Answered objection.

  12. Has anyone noticed all of the women Travis attempted to date figured him out really quick? It seems every one of them”friend zoned” him rather quickly. Did he ever have a long term girlfriend?

    • I’ve heard reference to this DeAnna (sp?) woman but I’m not sure the length or depth of their relationship. But Jodi has mentioned a few times that she (Deanna) was jealous of Jodi or even the mere mention of Jodi?

      • Who knows if it’s true that Deanna was jealous of Jodi. Travis always painted his exes as psycho stalkers. Right, because Travis was such a prize.

        • I doubt she was. Travis used the trash-talk line on ALL of his girlfriends, and ALL of his friends, with consistency. He was such a liar, it was second nature with him.

        • And, before Napoleon was exiled, why, was he not faced by all the suspects that a competent, investigation would reveal, so he could, react to the killer, if, the killer was in the group; yes, including, Jodi…??? It’s not likely that he had not, sensed, what was going on with, Travis… surely worth a try, including the demeanor of the suspects… Edgar…

    • Yes! Remember Mimi’s testimony? It sounded like Travis had to beg her to go to Cancun with him. She did NOT want to go. She even stated that she did not have romantic feelings. Even, the other gal…shoot, what was her name?? (help me out here friends 🙂 ). Anyway, even being so much younger than Travis it appeared she figured him out right quick too. I think that all of them being good members of the church, they don’t want to say what they really thought of him – that he was creepy! I mean really, in the big picture he would appear to be a real catch! Why didn’t they fall head over heels? Because their “spidey sence” went off. And if he was such a super guy, why didnt’ Martinez parade a bunch of old girlfriends into court to say what a wonderful guy Travis was? Maybe because they didn’t want to have to LIE under oath!

      • I think you mean Lisa Andrews. She was a teenager when she first started dating Travis but was wise enough to know that there was something wrong with him talking about marriage so soon.

      • Why didn’t the defense, defend, Jodi; couldn’t be the two million dollar bribe, they didn’t want her to know about; or, the jury, either, could it…??? Edgar…

        • Very interesting posts Edgar. What about the 2 million dollar bribe. I’m not familiar with it.?. Your pretty spot on everything:)

  13. re: jodi not killing TA or someone else helped, i dont think matters since the defense/jodi is not saying that.
    jodi should have added “I DID NOT DO…” but she said i dont remember, and admitted other things.
    so, idk. she resigned to the fact shell b back in jail. BUT, she has to hope for 2nd, or mansl. (think they can give that).
    the defense experts will be important.

    • You’re right Frank. The defense has already stipulated that Jodi did kill TA, right from the opening statement. Also, Jodi admitted to dropping the knife and possibly putting the knife in the dishwasher. So its too late to claim that she fled after the gunshot struggle and then someone else came in, unbeknownst to her, and stabbed him to death. Or at least that is my take on it. She puts herself in the room with the knife.

      • The gunshot was four days after the precision kill… as proven by the brass ejected shell, which, landed upon dried blood. If the gunshot was first, it would have been smeared, with the blood, it landed upon, if, the blood at that time was wet… These were two crimes; not, one… as proven because dead bodies, don’t bleed… Edgrrr…

  14. Hi there, I’ve been following all of you for the last several days, you all bring up some good points. I’m not a believer that she’s innocent but I also agree there seems to be some BIG holes in this story…Anyways just wondering if anyone found a layout of the house Travis owned? I see all the photos and I guess I’m trying to get an understanding of the layout and how closed off the bedroom was to everything. Can anyone point me in the right direction?

    Thanks!

  15. Another question,there was a picture of a shoe at the crime scene and I believe they lifted the print of a shoe also. If this was premeditated, would she kill him in her socks then put her shoes on and walk back through the crime scene?

    • Good thinking, Steve, and, why would she be wearing boots, way to big for her as evidenced by the sock foot, picture…???

  17. Also Just wondering if there was any mention as to where the roomates were at when this gun was shot? In the Police Report it was stated that Marie with two other friends knocked on the door with no answer, finally another friend let them into the hosue via the garage. Inside were both of his roomates and a roomates girlfriend…Why didn’t they open the door? Also where was the dog during this period after Travis was killed, On top of that….Didn’t Travis have a phone? If a friend was calling over and over like Marie claimed she did wouldn’t the roomates have heard his phone ringing in his bedroom? And the smell, wouldn’t his roomates have tried to discover the source of a smell like that? I mean obviously there was access to his room because the Friends how insisted on checking on him found a key to the bedroom, the roomates could have entered his bedroom I would assume they of all people would have known where a key was.

    Also I noticed everyone commenting on a possibility that the pants with the white stripe could be the shorts that were found in the clothes, and that maybe travis was pulling them down. However that picture would have had to be snapped at the exact right time before the shorts hit the ground, The way they are barely grazing the floor in the photo makes me think there is no way they are shorts, if shorts were falling down to someone’s ankles they would be bunched up..Especially if Jodi was wearing them, as she’s very small. …Just some thoughts. Like I said I’m not completely a believer that she’s innocent but there is way to many holes in this case to believe it like it’s being layed out…It’s very odd.

      • No my apologies I was refering to the photo’s on the camera of what looks like travis on the ground and a persons foot with a pant leg showing…In a previous thread everyone was talking about how it could have been the shorts that were found in the washer…I don’t believe so but I should have clarified

  18. I definitely agree with scrappydoo, I think I missed the part with Travis’s dog, where was the dog the day he died?

    • In the police report it says Marie how came to check on him saw the dog loose running around the downstairs through the window and no one would answer the door. Also in the police report his roomates stated they thought it was odd that a doggie gate was put up so the dog could not access the upper level of the house, because the dog has always been able to roam throughout the house without restriction..So someone wanted to keep that dog downstairs…Also what is wierd to me is that the police report says his phone was found in his office located downstairs in the house..The roomate says he tried texting a few times, Marie his friend tried calling multiple times…Wouldn’t one of his roomates have heard the phone ringing which was NOT locked in his bedroom? Wierd….

    • The dog was at the house. Jodi said she was playing with the dog while Travis was trying to load the pictures from the scratched CD.

  19. First, let me say that you all know I support Jodi. I know that what she did was in self defense.

    However, I was really hoping some light would be shed on the stabbings.

    Although I know that tragic events can cause memories to be unavailable, I just wish there were details. I hope this does not derail her defense.

    With that said, these people (even the ME) stating that he could not have been coherent with a gunshot wound are DEAD wrong. It would NOT have killed him in a few minutes.

    I have posted before that my younger brother was shot in the back of the head. He was not only able to TALK, but he was able to WALK to the truck to have his friend drive him to the hospital!

    It took about 10 minutes for him and his friend to walk back to the truck. Then it was at least another 15-20 minutes to get to the nearest hospital. He was coherent the WHOLE time.

    Once he got to the hospital, he lost consciousness and was life-flighted to a trauma center. He almost died on the helipad and a doctor cut into his skull and took a huge blood clot to save his life.

    He was in ICU for several days and almost died. His head was swollen up very large. He is fine now, although he is missing his short-term memory.

    My point?

    The bullet that hit Travis (from what the ME said) barely grazed his brain (if at all) and lodged in his cheek. I don’t think it could possibly have caused the damage that happened to my brother.

    I think Travis was very well able to attack Jodi, as people can do super human things with adrenaline pumping through their body.

  20. This trial is about protecting the Mormon church. If they don’t, then the masses might start questioning the church, thereby questioning authority in general (and that includes judicial system). They have to say Jodi is guilty; that way nobody in the church has to take responsibility for not doing anything about an abusive pedophile. Once the lid is off Pandora’s box, the entire system might be investigated. And about the church – here’s an interesting fact; “Cragun and Reuters estimate that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints brings in some $7 billion annually in tithes and other donations… It owns about $35 billion worth of temples and meeting houses around the world, and controls farms, ranches, shopping malls and other commercial ventures worth many billions more.” Don’t piss off the church or they might take their business elsewhere! (Sorry to the true believers of the faith as I mean no disrespect. It is just awful to see when people’s faiths are taken advantage of and become another big business.)

    Everybody here’s sees the stark reality of hypocrisy at work here; compare just the ‘look’ of the two families. Jodi’s looks like a normal, everyday family and it is admitted they have issues – just like any American family. TA’s family, on the other hand, looks like a pack of mafia and thugs with a background of drugs, neglect and abuse. (When my 15 year old daughter saw photos of TA & Jodi on the news, she asked why would a pretty girl be with that guy? He looks like a thug. I agree.)

    In addition to just the outside view of the families – look at the bald guy on “In Session,” who, apparently, was an investigator. This is one of the most outrageous hypocrisies. He, alone, proves that our judicial system does not look for “justice” at all, but is more in the business of choosing who you want to blame then spin all the facts to look like they point to your suspect of choice. I feel like the law enforcement agencies choose people like him to be in the higher rankings (such as investigator) because he’s simply not that smart, which makes him gullible. And he’s the type of personality they like since he makes up his mind to what he wants the outcome to be – then becomes blind to anyone or any evidence that does not agree with him. If he is an example of one of America’s “best” police investigators – we are all in trouble!

    • I seriously doubt writer Shanna Hogan, in her upcoming book on the case, will even look much at the Mormon angle, although it is pivotal in this case, and of its members’ need to preserve an image at all costs. I don’t know her religious bent, but I don’t look for any kind responsible reporting here which would divert from the zombies’/HLN’s narrative.

      Travis’s family is typical of some Mormons I have met. They engage in black-and-white thinking, and the need to exact vengeance is important for them. They are big on the death penalty.

      • Perhaps vengeance and the death penalty are so important because it is the easiest way to shut down the truth…

        • Oh I so agree with you about wanting to shut down the truth. Chris Hughes lied and there’s only one reason why people do that. What I keep thinking, is how come some people, like us, know she is innocent and the others not only don’t, but the level of sheer hate that comes out of their mouths is so extreme? To me they aren’t human. Its as if they’re in the dark ages, its frightening.

          • A penny, each, from 15 million members of the LSD church, and, the thousands of opportunistic lizards at law, wolves in sheeples’ clothing, and, alleged believers, would have sprung her, long ago. Their complicity, is assured by their indolence… Edgrrr…

  21. Good afternoon ( 12:07) EST

    Have been reading some of the earlier comments and agree that the facts around the car, Zach being in the house, the pug, etc are troubling and raise a lot of questions!

    One thing I didn’t know is that Flores is Mormon, that scares me a lot for Jodi’s sake.

    Does anyone think Martinez will try to get a continuance, so he can keep Jodi on the stand with no weekend break in his cross?
    For the reason that he may be able to batter away at her for 5 full days….

    • Praying hard for Jodi today. May her heart be surrounded with peace and comfort during what is sure to be an aggressive cross.

  24. I’m already peaved – the Judge looks like a bull dog ready to start early with the Martinez cross. URRRGGG

  26. Judge just left the bench – they had to resolve some issue with the courtroom noise cameras. The Jury was complaining the noises bothered them.

  27. SJ – you should have a page where we can post “tips” for the defense when it comes to re-direct! lol I, for one, would like to see Nurmi call Martinez out on some his his dirty tricks!

        • She’s a very intelligent and articulate woman, is our Jodi, and she speaks so beautifully too. Its what I worried about, Martinez making her cry but I think she is going to hold it together, she’s been amazing throughout all these days in court, truly amazing, I’m so proud of her, I wish I could give her a hug. I’m so happy you said that, Cindy, tripping him up–wonderful! 🙂 I’m about to catch up with it, I missed yesterdays live trial.

      • oh ok. thank you : ) HER FINGER IS BENT IN THAT PIC!!! am “I” blind or does martinez need thicker glasses????? IM glad he left it up foir the jury to really see that it is bent!

  34. HAS anyone else noticed how affected she was by the presence of her brother in the courtroom last week…..

    do you think her brother could have helped either with the killing, protecting her, or after the fact.

    she is protecting someone!!!!!!!! she could not have done what the prosc charges her with.

    and/or what if travis did not die right away, could he have asked her to perform the atoment that has discussed? him knowing he was going to die… and knowing that he had lived the life of a sinner (in the mormans view of sin) and its obvious she loved him, good or bad, and would do anything for him

    • Good question about her brother. If he did help her in any way, she would never, ever tell of it. I feel so bad for her siblings- so many idiots have been threatening them I’m sure. They are so strong to be there for their sister even though they know it will cause them to be ridiculed and jeered at.

  38. that motherfucker……… trying to throw in her face that she called her sister dumb

    keep it up you stupid prick

    • YEP! “I didn’t ask you if you called her stupid, mam”. What a douche. I hope the jury see’s he is being a royal Jack A**! i almost can’t watch!!!

      • She already admitted to that under direct examination and she said she didn’t know of all of the things her sister had gone through.

    • OMG wow…this guy is gonna loose it!! He has no patience. This is going to be a crazy day. I feel terrible for her.

    • Is Kermit confusing you guys? he is confusing me switching around dates and incidences not to mention twisting her words at every turn.

    • tonysam, its just what I thought his ploy was. Can’t she ask him to slow down? Oh I wish I could really let rip true american style, but you do it for me! lol

  52. Jodi is NOT afraid of him. This girl has been in JAIL for almost 5 years. She’s had prison guards talk to her like this plenty. She is doing GREAT!

  53. So is he trying to insinuate she drove clear down to Mesa because she was upset at what he said about her mother. Oh, Jesus.

  56. All Martinez can do is make personal attacks because he knows he can’t prove premeditation! little bully.

    • That’s all he’s got. He’s acting like a complete asshole. He’s lost the case already, and he’s just digging himself deeper.

  57. I have said things about my family in fact
    I say I can call my sister a bitch but nobody else can!

    • My brother and I call each other names all the time, but if anyone else called me the same thing, he’d come out swingin’ and vice versa.

  58. she is handling him very well….
    like said above, shes been in jail. in addition to guards talking to her like this, imagine what the other inmates try to do to intimidate her… they say woman in jail are worse than the men

  60. if i were her, i would say “you bastard, you wanna c premeditaion, i will show you and jump over and punch him in the fucking face

  62. you know she wants to laugh at him bc hes too funny……. its like when my 3 year old daughter throws a tantrum bc she cant have a piece of candy….. its so cute and i laugh

    seriously, im lol

  63. I am afradthat he is going to get under her skin!!! I was on the stand once and only once for a trial and I can tell you when the attorney comes at you like he is right now IT IS SO SO SO EASY to get defensive!!! I think he is starting to get under her skin!!! I pray that her attorney has prepaired her for this based on his reputation!!! He is trying to use what shesaid yesterday about going to get the social security card as if she was there stalking him!!! Oh please let the Lord be with Jodi today!!

  64. oh,here we go! ONLY Yes or No questions!and the judge is being an asshole too sucking up to Martinez!!!

  66. Martinez is already being a DICK!

    He has got to be pissing off the jury because I am already feeling anxiety from him.

    And, this is what he starts with? What is his point??

    • Notice how at times he doesn’t even let Jodi finish her answer?
      Doesn’t seem very professional to me.

      • Maybe he’s watched a few too many episodes of Matlock? But Andy Griffith he’s not. What a jerkface.

    • To, hypnonauseate his carnival act, side show, spazzing, his strobe act, shucking and, jiving…

    • The jury is hypnonauseated by the strobe act, as the martinet, tapdances his audition…

  71. OMG – if I were on the jury I would be so stressed and just yell at Martinez, “can you just ask a freakin’ question without yelling, nonstop???” Honestly, he creates a lot of stress for no reason! Defense should tell Jodi, just pause before EVERY answer to calm down the room and either throw off Martinez or make his asshole-ishness stand out even more.

  72. I don’t watch a lot of trials. Is it normal for the prosecutor to act like an asshole? It clearly is his strategy. Seems to me it would turn off the jury. Thoughts?

  75. Bully. Bully. Bully.

    It’s so obvious, so unnecessary, that he’s playing word games with her for the sake of it. Not to prove anything important, just to be cruel, to embarrass her, to make her look stupid. Will the jury see this?

    • I sure hope so Pique.
      He’s just flailing all over and being so harsh.
      Its got to be making the jury uncomfortable right?

      • Well, it’s making me terribly uncomfortable. I think it was Trixels who predicted his cross-examination would be an encore performance of the Travis abuse. That’s what it is.

        So, I’m uncomfortable. But, I’m female, a feminist, a Canadian, anti death penalty, left-leaning, and non-religious. I still hope that, despite any major differences between us (i.e., the people on this website) and the jury, they do see that he’s indeed bullying her. I hope they see that, if she was guilty of 1st degree murder, all this bullying, yelling, and sarcasm wouldn’t be necessary.

  78. Yikes … She said he didn’t get mad after she confronted him About making out with the girl!!!!!

  79. Why re the court rom rules changing NOW??? Other witnesses have been able to answer with more then yes or No and expand on their answers. Jodi has been on the stand for days the judge should of told her long ago to answer the question and only the question. How one sided is that courthouse?

  80. This guy is going to have a stroke! I hope he does!

    He is being so condescending!

    What about all the lies that TRAVIS TOLD!!

      • Yes, it’d be her fault. They’d blame it on the powerful X-chromosome radio-active waves emanating from her vagina.

        Martinez should be wearing a protective vest and helmet.

  82. Mtz feathers are getting so ruffled it’s funny to see that he gets this reaction by cross examining her. It’s clear he can’t handle composing himself.

  84. Just starting watching the Trial and i’m loving so far how Jodi is answering Martinez’s questions and how she is holding up….Keep it up Jodi

  86. I’m sorry, but I can’t help but laugh at Martinez – he seems to be attacking for no reason at all. That puts in my mind that he really has nothing so he is trying to make it appear there is an issue when there is none.

  89. Martinez is going to have a break down and snap at some point if Jodi keeps doing the great job answering like she is now

  91. She is so cool and collected answering against his fast pace badgering cross trying to trip her up

  92. It kills me how Martinez keeps saying right? at the end of his questions trying to get her to mess up.

  93. I was wondering how long it would take for them to bring up the finger! SHE HAS THE HAND RESTING ON A SHOULDER!!

  94. I’m watching the split screen with Jodi talking right now.
    Who’s the little guy on the right of the screen doing the aerobics? :mrgreen:
    SJ

  95. Martinez might be putting on such a show he might be taking the jury attention away from her answers

  96. OMG I woke up late did i miss alot???? I can see martinez is already being an ass!!! Im on the finger part. So what Dick Martinez that picture her hand is down and her hand is relaxed! lol she just told him!!lol oh shes going to do just fine with him. shes alomost smiling at him! i wish she would laugh at him.

  99. On my GOSH !!! I dont remember ever moment of my life either there re things people remember and those that they dont!! I wonde ifthe shrimp rembers what e ate for breakfast on JULY 16th 2008 or even where he was!!HE IS PISSING ME OFF!!!

  100. I can’t watch this anymore. He is making me anxious.

    Keep it up Jodi. You’re doing excellent!

  101. OMG that picture is so lame and CLEARLY shows a bent finger!!! They are all bent in a relaxed state. What an idiot. Jodi is WWWAAAYYYY too smart for him.

  103. i know it would hurt her, but i think it would be worth it to just laugh at him and smile

    i mean it wouldnt but …….

    in session talking heads not happy…. they lookk like they just ate SHIT SANDWICHES

  104. Hey SJ have you tried to call into the newsshow to defend Jodi? They always get callers who kiss up to them….
    This jerk is ALL OVER THE PLACE!!!

  106. Omg, when Jodi called her sister dumb she explained that and it is soo different when you say something about your own family thus someone outside of your family saying something so she had every right to be upset.

    I can NOT stand Martinez he is trying to ask questions so fast and just is being a cunt. He really is. I can not stand him! My heart is pounding so fast, poor Jodi she really needs our support today.

  107. I’m loving how Jodi is doing so far and her composure and triping up Martinez on his own questions is great and it will cause him to explode at some point and look like a bully and a jackass to the jury

  108. Lets make her shake just like Travis did. Let the Jury see how she shakes at men who are aggressive.

  110. I think it is good for Jodi how he is coming at her!! IF even one member of the jury is seeing her as a victim of domestic violence he is going to look like a BULLY going at a woman who was attaced by her ex like she was by Travis

  111. lol shes lieing to dumb Flores! Shes already told us she lied to him, so what!!! SJ your so right, Martinez isnt going to ask anything that Nurmi hasnt already. hahahaha I love it, he”s an IDIOT!

  112. lmao, where’s the “like” button for these comments? I love the comment about getting defense a distemper shot! Now they are going on about her hand shaking – well, duh! I get shaken too when a rabid dog is barking at me!

  113. That cut could not have made her finger like that, could it?

    And, how did Ryan Burns not see that when she went there.

    That would have needed more than a small bandage!

    • He did see bandages for cuts on june 5th. He never mentioned a splint on a broken finger though. Jodi said she splinted it herself.

  115. What is the point of playing the tapes if she’s already admitted she told a “b.s.” story to Flores and the media?

  117. you know in her mind she is thinking….

    “i have handled one patheitic asshole loser like you before…..bring it on”

    • no,not really Nicole.i think it’s way better she’s comporting like a classy lady,not losing her temper like him.it’s a nice contrasting image she’s getting across to the jury imho…

      • Maria, Nicole,

        Martinez is trying to get her to lose her temper so he can show the jury she does have a temper (IMO).

        I dont think crying would hurt her nor do i think her remaining composed and half way smiling will hurt her case either.

        But if she does cry, it will only piss off some of jury toward Martinez. If they perceive she is being bullied, they will punish Martinez with the verdict. That has actually happened before.

        • im afraid she’s bound to cry when he starts flashing autopsy photos,coz we know he’s gonna be heartless about that!so,i think it’s better for the time being that she’s dealing the way she does with his unreasonable outbursts

  119. ummm,ok a have a question.he’s 50 sth,RIGHT?he’s at a dangerous heart attach age,RIGHT?well I hope he has one any time soon!

  120. LMAO!! Go jodi go!! She’s making that Gremlin look like an old bully, and just giving it back to him. His line of questioning is so ridiculous, give me a break. Keep up the good work girl, don’t let him make you upset. BRAVO!!

  121. She is sssoooo ready, he tried so hard to make her say the finger was an injury from June 4th. FAIL!!

    • hahaha…I hate to say it but I’m having a field day on HLN facebook…everyone was so pumped for this idiot to “tear her apart” and he’s just looking like a bad rehearsal for a reality tv show. She’s doing a great job, staying strong, answering just only what she absolutely has to. And man are the cheerleaders on HLN getting frustrated…lol

  122. Help me out.

    this finger nonsense – is he making a point or confusing things. Her referring to a cut finger is different than her saying the finger was broken. Now hes talking about other fingers. So confused.

      • I’m just getting to watch…so he didn’t have any evidence her finger was injured another way right? I thought maybe that’s what the journal was for, but my computer froze up for a minute.

    • he’s doing that to hopefullu confuse the jury to make it look like shes lying. Hope they keep up, he’ll do this alot.

  124. Yes, he is. You notice that in the original “48 Hours” report, it mentions nothing at all about her ring finger injury, only the cuts on her hands.

  125. Hi everyone. I haven’t posted here yet, but needed to today. I just want to reach through the screen and strangle that asshole martinez. What a creep. You can clearly see in the pic with her sister that the finger is bent. You should all also check our travis’s sisters page. Tanisha Sorensen on facebook. She talks about how travis would never baptize someone one and then do that to them afterward blah blah blah. Then they play the sex tape in court. I think that proves he would and what kind of person he really was. Also the texts show his temper and how angry he could get. I don’t condone murder but I know what its like to be verbally abused and physically and have no one believe the person could be like that. I think Travis hid how he really was very well. I always have wondered how she could do this alone and how there could be no drag marks down the hall. But then I wonder why there is so much blood spray on the walls of the hall. It doesn’t make sense. The roommate coming home only a half hour after the killing is also suspicious. How did he not see anything. Was she gone by then? I do sometimes think his sister Samantha feels sorry for Jodi just by her expressions and the way she got emotional over the testimony yesterday. Not once did I see Tanisha shed a tear. Her facebook is so telling and she says she became a better person and found the church after Travis died. I don’t think she is that nice of a person. Just my two cents for the day.

  126. His questions are so rapid fire that it’s hard to keep up with them and he is tripping himself up. My gawd he is acting like a fool. Survivors of abuse are not going to take kindly with his demeanor towards Jodi.

  129. Notice he had to use the same pics to try and bring up a comment about her sister, not that she DIDN’T have BLONDE hair at the time of the killing – lost that one for pre-mediation did’t you, Martinez!

  130. IS ANYONE listening to the talking heads on IN session??

    notice the tone of their voices… so calm and very serious….

    its really sad, when its all said and done>>> how do they think its not obvious

    and Joey Jackson, my god…. he’s wearing the exact pin stripe suit that TA is wearing in that pic wr he looks like a total TOOL

  133. Martinez his playing his “trick” where he says, “do you remember you said blah, blah, blah” yet she never said what he is trying to get her to say. She is smart for saying she doesn’t recall and it is funny that at that time he shows no transcripts from yesterday to say, “see, you did say this!” He moves on – because he is lying and attempting to fool everyone, including the jury. He used this same tactic with Searcy but Searcy was also too smart to fall for it.

      • It is but that is what prosecutors do when they have nothing and need the win. I like Nurmi but I have to say he should be taking notes and using these in re-direct so as to point out these tricks to the jury. He missed that opportunity the last times.

  134. I am so outraged over the In Session correspondents saying they can’t wait for Martinez to rip into Jodi. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. Martinez being a bully will end up biting him in the ass. Right now he’s going on and on about her bent finger! What’s the point? What does that have to do with him trying to prove premeditation or her stating that Travis attacked her on June 4th and she defended herself. I can’t bear to watch the live feed anymore. Martinez comes across as a very angry and arrogant man and I think he will alienate some of the female jurors. If Martinez keeps up this ranting and raging he’ll end up giving himself a heart attack! Does this man have the ability to speak calmly instead of screaming all of the time? It took a lot of courage for Jodi to get on the stand and testify knowing that she would have to endure the wrath of Martinez in cross examination. If I was on the jury I would be shocked over the lack of professionalism Martinez displays with his over the top personality. If Martinez really thinks he has proved premeditation beyond a reasonable doubt then why is he screaming and yelling? The facts should speak for themselves. I’ll just end this post by saying “wow, what a major tool this guy is!”

    • Some of them just said Martinez cross is NOT good though. Disjointed and all over the place and ineffective. I know they will take sides of course but when they say things like that, we know he is doing a really bad job at this.

      We know anyway. LOL

  136. I have to say, I love how calm Jodi is. Part of the strategy is obviously to shake her and get her angry to make her look like this crazy b—- (you guys know what I mean) and she doesn’t appear that way at all, even with him coming at her.

    • Yes, Kris, That is exactly what he is doing. He isn’t going in sequential order because that would not work to his advantage. He’s trying to establish that she has always been this horribly jealous liar. He’s trying to break her down much like a “bad cop” interrogator would.

      He is pretty much failing at it… LOL

    • Some people are near sighted, some far sighted.
      This means some people can see things clearly that are close to them, other can see things that are far away from them.

    • if she’s short-sighted she doesnt need them when reading at a short distance,just for long distanced objects

  139. Ok so she didnt write every single thing that happened in her journal. I believe her ex Matt knows about the finger and hopefully will testify to that.

    • I don’t think it’s a big deal. i would have to do my glasses like that too if I were up there.

      i hope Nurmi keeps objecting like Kermit did.

    • Have you seen Nurmi read documents close up? He removes his glasses and puts his nose up to the page to read it.

      • Exactly Dog.
        Is Nurmi faking his need for glasses to?

        I think that topic was given up long ago, right?
        Jodi needs glasses – who gives a f**k when!

        Sorry, not trying to be rude, I know people are just asking.
        Its just silly.

  141. Re Diaries: “everyone knows that diaries are just full of crap… ” the movie Bridget Jones Diary … so the female jurors will know what this is … just emotions on paper that change with the wind or hormones sometimes.. that’s what a journal is, and why I don’t keep one 🙂

        • they should have in the discovery phase.

          however, we know the prosecution never gave them evidence in a timely manner.

        • I thought in cross examination you can only ask about what has been asked by her lawyer? So you are allowed to admit new evidence to someone who isn’t your witness? Sorry if dumb question!!

          • Lol me too Summer! His questions also are not clear. He isn’t always specific, but then gets mad when Jodi asks a follow up or what is he referring too!

          • He is trying to disprove the finger breaking allegation. So, any evidence he believes he has can come in.

          • Its kind of funny though, he is using Jodi’s diary as evidence to disprove the finger incident, however, if he thinks she is a liar why would he think what she writes in the diary is true! He obviously doesn’t have any real evidence that contradicts what she is saying if he is resorting to this!!

      • I don’t get it; she always said she loved Travis. Not like that is a news flash, journal or no journal.

  144. Someone refresh my memory from yesterday when she talked about confronting Travis.

    She found him banging his head on the wall.

    BUT, did she calm him down?

    That could be why she said she loved him. Maybe he once again played with her emotions.

  145. When Nurmi crosses, he should ask her if she believes that a journal contains emotions and entries that can change, and therefore a journal doesn’t always cintain every aspect of every day or all of her feelings.

  146. HA ha Nurmi is making martinez wait..Good. He’s pacing and chomping at the bit..Good for Nurmi!

  148. Keep up the good work Martinez!!!!!!!! He’s making himself look so BAD!!! Awesome!! The jury is no doubt sympathizing with Jodi. His little plan is back-firing. Hah!

    • omg,i was thinkinf about that!can you imagine having to live with that person having him yelling at you like that?his behaviour is soooo unacceptable!

  150. you dont write EVERYTHING DOWN IN A JORNAL

    in session idiots are saying bc she didnt write it down it didnt happen n she lied

    WTF………… this is insane…. i literally feel like im getting dumber by the minute listening to this

    • It’s about evidence, summer. Hopefully Jodi’s lawyers will do an excellent job making that point.

    • I can honestly say that during the most stressful an terrible times in my life, I did in fact chronicle the events or feelings surrounding it.. However, the moment I was able to breathe and all was well.. I tore that shit out and ripped it up. No use in having bad memories to look back on.

  151. I hope he loses his voice and that it becomes a game of Charades. With Jodi sitting on the edge of her seat, trying hard to guess what he’s asking.

  152. Jodi just said she hadn’t read the journal entry (meaning she needed to review it since it had been so long) … didn’t her lawyers prep her for today? She should have had access to this material before hand, right?

  154. i wish we had a live feed!!! Im so sick of these haters on ustream! they think Martinez is eating her alive. I asked if they say a staight finger in that pic, they all saw “straight as an arrow”!!! WHATEVER!

    • There are 10 places on the internet that are running the live stream including the one i’m watching it on wptv in AZ and this very site has a live stream

      • i have a live stream, i watch it on ustream. its just full of haters. i meant so that we can all watch n msg eachother. thanks i got it though, im watching on my tablet n posting on my laptop. lol

    • Martinez is gnawing at his own wrist to get out of the cage he built to trap her. I guess those people don’t know the difference between being an asshole and having their shit together.

  155. The journal is not as telling because if she said he was a pedo, prosecution would say hearsay or not proven, so inadmissalbe.
    More telling, are the actual texts to and from, because that is a one on one exchange.

    • As long as her journal entries were about her own thoughts and not what others said, they are not considered hearsay.

      Tying together the texts/emails/journal is critical for this case. One isn’t more telling than the other. They give a complete view of Jodi’s experience at the time.

      I think that the jury may take the journal entries very seriously.

      Thank god I found this site! I’ve needed to chat while watching for 3 weeks!

      • I disagree. If I was a juror, the diary would be insignificant. She could say she became president, ate a cat, whatever… it’s all irrelavent.
        the texts are proof that TA had a certain way of dealing with her on a long term basis. That’s where the proof of abuse is, and the power he had over her.

  156. Is there somewhere I can watch the testimony later that I am going to miss. I just got called into work!!!! AWWWWWGGGHHH!!!

      • Thank you. And I cant watch this at work because I am a Nanny for a child with Autism and we only watch the weather channel that is his thing right now LOL I only have to work for a couple hours hopefully I wont miss alot
        Oh MB where can I send a money order for Jodi? Someone gave it to me yesterday but not her inmate number or how I make out the money order.

  158. Basically Kermit can’t prove his case of premeditation and is going to find anyway possible to attack her ability to recall things?

    I won’t say what I wish upon him.

    • Thats right, BeeCee – he so lost it on his pre-meditation that he is trying to go for the “Look, I told you she was liar!!!” He is totally grasping here to try and deflect.

    • BeeCee,

      His cross is stupid too. Because she wrote, “nothing noteworthy to say” it has to mean she’s lying about her finger? How ridiculous. Travis read her journals!!! Remember? So why would she write anything bad him when he has read them in the past?

      It’s a stupid, stupid, desperate tactic.

      • Yes, JC it is a stupid tactic. I hope the jury is smart enough to see that. Surely there are a couple of people on there with brains like those of us here.

      • “Travis read her journals!!! Remember? So why would she write anything bad him when he has read them in the past?”

        Right exactly! I forgot about that, good point. Also she and Travis believed in the law of attraction and he would always tell her not to say negative things too.

        • MB

          Yes. I was skyping that point to someone else. Exactly what you said about the law of attraction. Her focus would be on the positive!

        • MB,

          This is a good moment to reinforce that BOTH Jodi AND Travis were “under the influence of “The Law of Attraction” as well as “The Secret.”

          Wikipedia or Google these “theories,” and you will discover further evidence of cult-like mind control.

          When things do not pan out as promised, the FOLLOWER is BLAMED for not working the program diligently enough, not working hard enough, etc.

          This is ABUSE. It messes with the individual’s self-confidence. It causes them NOT to dare to use critical thinking. They are mentally crippled.

          Both Jodi AND Travis went for this sort of “magical” thinking.

          It is a familiar “comfort zone” for each of them in that it fits right in with the BrainWashing of both PPL and Mormonism.

          Chelion
          (Hurting more and more for the “simple folks” of our world. May God love all of us.)

  160. OMG, can they get through ONE line of questioning without approaching?

    I don’t think this judge has a good handle on her court room.

    • I actually like that the Judge is having the arguments at the bench, outside of the ear of the jury. If you don’t want Martinez to plant his arguments in the juries ear before the judge rules, this is the best way. I mean, you can’t unring a bell.

  161. REALLY if you dont put it in the journal then it didnt happen??????WTF!!! Maybe she didnt put stuff in there that she thought TA might see. And wha is it with shoot I dont know her name on In Session when she says Martenezs name she says it with a spanish accent but nothing else!!! Gosh these talking heads are as nuts as they try to make Jodi!!!

  162. Is he seriously making her read an entire portion of the transcript?! REALLY?!?!?

    He asked for it, he shouldn’t be impatiently pacing around if he’s the one who asked her to read the whole damn thing!!!

    • He’s trying to point out inconsistencies. This is the best way to approach that issue legally. Ethically?

      • Lisa,

        i think it will backfire. First, he has her flipping through pages while not allowing her to read it all for context. I think its a desperate attempt to try and impeach her.

  163. lol….he’s looking like a compete buffoon! Everyone was hoping for a “aha'” moment, and its not happening. I thought he was supposed to be revealing something big…the only thing he can reveal is that TA was a sado-masochist and he abused her, and he won’t do that, so lets talk about trival crap then. Her defense has done a great job prepping her, and this cross is going no where . Love it!

  164. Martinez is getting frustrated with the defense. Did you see him throw his hands up before the last sidebar? LOL

  166. Jodi isn’t a Wendi Andriano, who Martinez got the death penalty conviction for her having murdered her terminally-ill husband. Andriano got the death penalty for stupidity even more than the horrible crime. Jodi Arias is as far from an Andriano as you can get.

    • Oh I didn’t know he prosecuted that case; I remember seeing that story on ID. Yeah, but that was pure stupidity on Adriano’s part.

        • JC –
          I dont think there was any significance.
          Thats why you cant remember.
          It was just a bunch of mumbo jumbo to “prove” her finger wasnt broken on the date she said as she didnt write about it bettween these specific dates in her journal.

  168. The haters are saying jodi is aggressive back to Kermit…what i see is someone trying to please someone else again and trying hard to answer accurately and yet in the manner he desires.

    • Oh, yes, she’s trying very hard to be respectful and accurate.

      Signs of assertiveness are showing through, though. There’s nothing wrong with that, of course. No matter which way Jodi handles his interrogation, it will be unmercifully criticized.

  170. I think Martinez just likes the sex talk – like a adolescent boy sneaking a Playboy to look at. He thinks he can embarrass Jodi with the sex talk, but after a week of taking about her sex life, I think it probably comes as natural as talking about coloring her hair.

    • Yeah, and, moreover, she’s not afraid to admit that she likes sex–WHEN she likes sex. Just like most people. That’s a brave admission under these pornographic circumstances.

  171. Martinez should have simply told the family the truth that there was no way he could get a first-degree murder conviction in this case and work out a plea deal with a defense.

    Of course he is dealing with a group of vengeful people who didn’t know their loved on at all, plus all of those zombies who put forward a bunch of ridiculous talking points to him and the media in the first place.

  173. Martinez is now in JODIE’s space. The Judge needs to admonish him, IMO. He’s being way too agressive.

    • That’s what I was thinking. I have done that before in journals, just because you start on one date doesn’t mean another date isn’t in there.

  184. i swear i would love to be in her brain….

    insert.. she needs to just look at him.

    “you better back off…. you of all people know how i handle jackasses like you”

  185. Well, this trial is going to take forever.

    I think he is trying to get at the fact that she did not write anything about the broken finger??

  186. “Everyone knows diaries are full of crap” Bridget Jones Diary
    I guess Martinez didn’t have sisters.
    * The main thing is, she defended herself against a big strong sexual, emotional, and physical abuser, and he lost.

  187. i dont think anyone is going to blve that an ABSENCE of saying anything about abuse etc… is a LIE

    know lets compare apples to oragnes…….

    really??

        • I’m stalking the haters’ site. They say her handwriting should be different if her finger was broken. I for one don’t use my ring fingers for writing. I have injured mine and my writing was fine. An index finger or a thumb, yes, that would cause me problems.

          Kermit only wants yes or no answers because he only wants to paint things his way instead of getting the truth.

          jackass…again, I wish upon him the fleas of a thousand camels…or something like that.

    • Well if the logic is that if it isn’t in the diary then it didn’t happen, then I wonder if she wrote about premeditating his murder? Because if not…..well….then I guess she didn’t premeditated it!!!!!!

      Thanks Martinez!!

  188. Martinez is so stupid. He wants to say she is a liar, but then use things she said and did that he feels he can use against her (FAIL) as though they are VERY truthful. Which is it? Is she truthful or a liar?
    He is really reaching

    • I think it was the defense that kept asking for extensions in time for the trial to start.

      I think the judge is doing a great job. I have spent many years in a court room and she is doing great.

      • Yes because the State would not turn over evidence. Nurmi said IN COURT to the Judge. the reason this trial did not take place in 2010 is because the state insisted the TEXT messages did not EXIST. they later claimed there were too many of them to photo copy, so they only turned the over once the technology was discovered to extract them. THAT is why they needed more time.

  190. If and WHEN the jury realizes Martinez is playing dirty, its OVER for him!
    They are not stupid, they can tell what he is doing.

    • Kmiller, i hope ur right… u would think out of 12 jurors thr has to be at least one…

      lets pray for that

    • I know I don’t like to be force fed anything. Especially if it stinks of over dramatics and BS. I’m sure there are members of the jury who feel the same way.

      • yep….. and u bring up a good pnte, even if a juror has doubts, maybe doesnt like JA they dont want to feel ambused, and made to feel like they are in school being TAUGHT

      • If you have such a strong case built on facts, then why is there a need to bully, in fact yell, at the witnesses?? He is acreep who has the need to belittle people to make himself look good. Someone on the jury will NOT like his antics.

      • Me too Jaz. When it appears that someone is trying to manipulate me by distorting facts while using emotional rhetoric, I turn off immediately and their argument becomes ineffective.

        I over estimated Martinez not because I like him but because I thought he would be smarter than the crap we are seeing right now.

        I thought his temper MAY be part of act but its’ not. It’s his weakness. And he lacks understanding about human behavior just with the questions he’s asking ie. peeping in the window, questioning her about her asking Travis about the other woman and asserting she was being territorial while insinuating she was stalking by using the word “peep”!!!

        Didn’t she go there to get her soc and birth certificate? An argument could be made that he set her up to hurt her by allowing her to “catch” him.

        I’m sure some of the jurors are noticing this. Not everyone thinks in two shades – black and white.

    • Excellent point Kmiller…I think there will be more than one juror that see’s this. I truly hope this guy loses his job when he loses this case.

  191. I have to applaud Jodi, she knows what she’s doing. I think she’s saying if you want to dwell on insignificant points Mr. Martinez, then lets dwell on them…

  192. oh now HLN is trying to back peddle, ” oh cross examinations aren’t sprints they are marathons” and ” it will go back and forth” trying to make excuses because they built this cross up to be something so exciting, and how this Gremlin was going to chew her up and spit her out. Now they are eating their words, and trying to dismiss it. They can’t even show excerpts from the cross except for a few because she’s doing so well.

  193. note to all criminals: write a diary detailing whatever you want, and if you want to write great stuff about all the prsecutors so they’ll think you like them, do it, because Martinez thinks a diary is 100% factual. lol

    • hahaaha,KDC better say note to all criminals:”write that you DID NOT commit a crime,list details of the place and people you were with that particular night and bam!you got urself an alibi since Martinez believes so wholeheartedly to the sanctity of the written word,even if it’sa journal for crying out loud” LMAO!!

    • hahaha “Dear Diary, In the event that I am a defendant in a criminal case… I really love everyone and would not hurt a soul. Life is all about happiness and rainbows, and if a man used me, abused me or cheated on me- well, no one gets effected by THAT stuff! Also, I love all prosecuting attorneys, especially short ones with an even shorter fuse.”

    • Exactly! He’s practically waving it around like it’s the holy bible. It’s a *diary* for heaven’s sakes.

      She didn’t write about 9-11 or the raid on Osama Bin Laden, I guess those things never happened either right? An event that big wouldn’t be left out! ZERMAGERD!

      • MB,

        And not only that, so what if she told different stories about how her finger was broken?? In the context of abuse, she would lie! It would not normal for her to run around and say, “travis broke my finger” LOL.

        Yet there is one outcry witness on this list we haven’t heard from: Matt M. His testimony, if given the chance, can substantiate the finger ordeal because the way I read his post on here, is that she confided in him about it thus making him an outcry witness.

        And if I had a quarter for every lie I told, for having a black eye back in the 90s? I’d be rich! An abuse victim doesn’t broadcast how they have been hurt.

  194. I wonder what the lunch breaks are like?
    I bet Martinez can’t eat because he’s so mad, teehee.

    I sure did like how Jodi calmly stated,, “I always ordered the same drink at Starbucks.”

      • priceless indeed.as most of her responds and her entire comportment today.it really shows the kind of superior person she was and still is.

      • So is her saying “that is correct” or “no, that’s not correct”, instead of using the word “yes”,

        • Yep, she’s a smart cookie no doubt. So when he’s repeating himself two days from now saying “you said yes to this, yes to that” she can say “no I didn’t say yes”…… smart girl.

      • or u know,just sitting alone(nobody risking sitting next to him and his bad nerves) while eating,being strapped back to his white jacket by his own personal shrink who’s trying at the same time to inject him with a sedative or sth or slipping a Prozac in his coffee

    • He probably sits hunched over with his back to the rest of the class; muttering incoherently between bites of his sandwich. Then randomly shouts at the wall…

  195. Wow, folks. Even the In-Session folks are saying Jodie is doing well and JM is not doing so well.

    • yes but that can also show the jury, that she wasnt afraid of Travis if she isnt afraid of Martinez.

      • Missy,i dont think these 2 are comparable.it’s different to be in a courtroom whrn sm is clerly overreacting and bullying for his own show’s sake and being in n abusive relationship.

          • Thats not what im saying he will see how many emotions he can show the jury. And its not going to be the side Nurmi showed either.Which will show the jury she was rehearshed in direct.

      • Missy –
        I disagree with this new revelation, that Jodi should be crying and shaking, any time she is “confronted”.

        Its been 5 years since she was in the abusive relationship with Travis.
        a. she’s had time to reflect on this
        b. she’s been in a prison, with guards, even that sounds scarier than Martinez
        c. Martinez has never hit her, or verbally abused her, why should she be afraid of him (other than the fact he’s trying to get her the DP)
        d. she’s been preparing for Martinez’s asshole ways – its a completely different situation than what she was in during her relationship with Travis

        I just dont even see how this can be compared. If she cried and shook everytime someone got aggressive wouldn’t that make it seem like she has a problem, in general, rather than with someone who abused her like Travis?

        • He never hurt her or hit her i will agree. But SHE compared him to Travis, so is the jury going to think this is how she felt or fells and how she treated and talked to Travis..

  196. Hey, all!! When does the trial resume? Oh and for those that can’t watch, go to youtube, search: “Jodi Arias Trial Day 21”, croakerqueen (or someone) puts it up pretty timely. But beware: as you watch the video, idiots/ haters are spewing their venom in the chat feed. I had multiple altercations with total morons last night…one even called me a slut….basically because I was trying to highlight the societal ramifications of domestic abuse. Of course the irony escaped them as they attempted to bully a “non-bulliable” chick. Bullying often predicates or leads to abuse. This case is a prime example of how systematic bullying escalated to abuse (sexual/ psychological/ emotional/ physical) and eventually turned the victim into a perpetrator. So sad for everyone involved 🙁 Jodi’s holding her own so far. Let’s see what the afternoon has in store for us….

      • I know, I should have. I just couldn’t help myself! And I wasn’t even defending Jodi…primarily bc I’ve got mixed emotions myself about this case. He clearly bullied her, mistreated her, abused her, even provoked her. Buuuuuut does that justify such a violent murder? I just don’t know. What I DO know is that if he weren’t such an asshole to her this wouldn’t have happened. Do you guys think the abuse justifies the murder? The self-defense story doesn’t add up to me. But then again, I wasn’t there so only Jodi knows what truly happened. Plus I have a hard time believing she could manuever him into the tub.

        • It’s not murder if a guy comes at you, even after you pint a gun his way.
          It’s self defense when you are in fear for your life….
          look at AZ law regarding SD
          I’ts pretty clear, murder would be killing someone for no reason.

  197. The photo of the hand and finger were bad quality, and did not clearly, at least to me, show a straight finger.

      • Yup I saw them all curved. Martinez shouldve found a better picture if he was going to do that. And he left it up so the jury can take a really good look at all thd fingers (all slightly bent)! What a dumb ass. Im so sure the jury are all going to talk about this picture n agree the fingers were NOT straight. I wonder if Nurmi has had a dr look at that finger n if they’ll be called up to testify that the finger IS deformed.

        • Ya I saw someone on Beth from In Session’s feed saying, how can she draw and doodle with that finger? I had to explain I do medical artwork with a messed up wrist and thumb and you adapt. People pick apart nonsense! I have to stop looking at what the blood thirsty haters are saying and just stick to this chat.

          • Lindsay,

            What kind of medical artwork do you do? How interesting!! Do you have a website? Sorry to get off topic but if you don’t mind, msg me with more info on that. I’m in healthcare administration and could use some good material! Here’s my Linkedin profile with a little more about what I do: (Basically help people find doctors, home healthcare, medical equipment, and senior housing)
            http://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=152699902&locale=en_US&trk=tyah2
            Thanks, Lindsay!!
            (again, sorry for getting off topic, guys)

        • Yep and God knows Jodi took enough pics for him to choose from to prove his “point”. Fail….

    • It showed ALL bent relaxed fingers. It was so pointless. Loved how she said’ My finger was bent in that picture” LOL!

    • Lol it is JOKE!! Cant blv he brought that pic in, cant get over that! He really doesn’t have anything better!

  199. I have been on 10 juries 6 of them criminal and I can tell you that the jury is listening to everything and weighting it in their minds. What usually happens that they will believe one person and not an expert. Jury members get really bored with the experts. I know when I was on the attempted murder trial when the expert came on all of us agreed that he was so boring we couldn’t even remember what he said. The unfortunate part is that the prosecution will get the last word and that is what the jury will remember. They will look and watch every move tha JA makes. I know we hated all the sidebars, because it really interrupts the testimony. Just saying sitting on the jury is not fun and when you have to make the decision about someone’s life especially a DP one, they are listening.

    • i would NOT want to be on this jury.

      you who forgot to mention that i ALSO HATE on hln? mike brooks, another holier than thou.
      again, i wonder WHO sets hln’s (trutv) agenda and WHY they r so biased?

      who writes TRUTH in a journal? aren’t they known for fantasy? dont many people other the writer read other poeple’s diary?

      one thing i gotta say, jodi talked too much and without being represented by n atty. WHAT was she thinking? i sorta know, but it IS murder.

      oh, gotta go beth karas talking bout THE FINGER!!

    • Kris,

      Thanks for sharing your experience as a juror. There were numerous sidebars today. Do you think the jurors are aware that the defense is having the sidebars because Martinez is presenting evedence that hasn’t been admitted yet, and defense has the right to examine it first? Or could they be clueless as to why defense is doing that?

      I see Jodie with a bent finger in all the photos. Martinez is trying to pull a fast one over on the jurors. These HLN reporters want to make us believe that bs too.

      Siblings say things about each other that don’t mean squat. He’s making a moutain out of a mole hill.

      If Martinez continues this way I don’t see him winning this case for death. I certainly hope that.

      I’m glad to have found this site on first page of Google search. Yeah!!! I was beginning to feel alone in my support for Jodie. We nall need to pray about this together.

      • The jury can’t really hear the sidebar. If the lawyers are getting loud they made make out some of the words. Usually they have to sit there and wait. It’s really boring. When it happen on the trials I was on we would talk about how long we had to sit there and wait for them. So in a way it kinda pisses off the jury. I know I would watch the lawyers to see what kind of reaction they were getting and then I would wonder why we couldn’t hear what they were fighting about. If it was important I felt that we weren’t hearing the whole story.

  200. JVM gave a shout out to Martinez advising him to chill out, that he looks like a jerk.
    Lets hope he doesnt listen.

    I want him to be seen as the giant dick head he is.

  201. They should bring in an expert witness from Loreal or Nice ‘n Easy with a big catalogue of hair colour swatches. Then, while she was there, she could also consult with Jodi about those “first greys” that are starting to show.

    I know Jodi is now in her thirties, and I had greys hairs then, too … but I do wonder if this ordeal is putting tremendous stress on her body. There has to be cost for that poise and composure.

    • nah Pique those are just small blonde streaks she put in while driving down the road one day on her way to Nevada with extra gas cans 😛

    • I am a year younger than Jodi, and just this year I got my first grey hairs. I wanted to cry! My husband is deployed, I’m in school full time, AND I have two little ones under 5… so yeah, I think it’s stress!!!! Jodi is amazing up there, I’m so proud of her. But I’m stressed out just watching this case!

  202. I understand that this site is for the support of Jodi, but the fact that you folks dont want to listen to ANY thing if its not what you want to hear makes no sense to me. I believe there is much more going on here, and she is not a cold blooded killer, however I unlike you folks welcome the other side to express opinions and welcome mature discussions on the issue, Just like the trial, there are two sides!! Everybody sitting around bashing the the prosecution does not support her, you need to welcome and debate our point with the other side and rally these folks to our side…… Thats how we support Her and make this Country believe!!! Just my thoughts, best wishes!!!!!

    • i TRY to be objective, but i hear ya. it’s just that the barrage of tv talk heads railing against someone for ratings, etc. THEY BARELY are objective. thats part of the railing against the ‘other side’.

      • I agree, its a shame that we have to listen to biased opinions (TruTV) while trying to hear the facts, but thats out of our control and meaningless in my opinion!

    • Its really very hard to rally close minded lame brains that are too lazy to hear the facts coming from Jodi’s side. These people clearly arent thinking for themselves, spewing water downed opinons that they heard on HLN or some Pro Travis website.

      I dont need to hear what Travisites have to say, I can form my own opinions based on the happenings in court and what is coming out of the mouths of the prosecutor, defense, and person on the stand. I can process the evidence and again form my own opinion.

      Call me one sided, but I dont need to hear what Pro Travis websites have to say (its all smut anyway), I’ve chosen my side and no one can make me feel wrong about that.

      Team Jodi.

    • Don’t just read this thread, Joe. Read the other threads on this site, where you will see plenty of debate and discussion and analysis.

      I, for one, am very interested in hearing the “other side” so I can understand why they think this was a premeditated murder. I was looking for that on the Travis support FaceBook page, and on Websleuths. Didn’t find it. I read hundreds of comments, and what I found was people making fun of the defense, calling for semen on Jodi’s face, and posting pictures of execution gurneys. Can you tell me where this reasonable discussion of Jodi’s guilt is taking place?

      • Yes, I agree there is some prosecution bashing here, but the defense bashing everywhere else is much, much worse, degrading, and really offensive. I think this site has some good debates. I have questioned things here and found people here are reasonable, and make some great arguments, and awesome points.

    • ????? There are people on this site from “the other side” as far as i know, iv also read there expressions, and opinions and there has been mature discussions. About everybody sitting around bashing the prosecution or Martinez, whats so wrong about it? I dont see anyone here threatening him or calling him horrible names (what dumb and stupid, idiot) thats G rated compared to other sites name calling n threats. I dont think we’re doing anything wrong here but supporting Jodi n because were talking a little bad about the prosecutor doesnt mean we’re not supporting Jodi at all. Thank you, best wishes, n have a very blassed day!!!!!!

      • I agree, LC, that the jokes about Martinez have been pretty mild–“G-rated.” Nobody that I heard is calling for his head, only for him to be decaffeinated, or tranquilized and safely released to the wild. There are plenty of jokes about Nurmi out there, too, because of his verbal tics, and his slow, methodical style. So be it.

      • Not saying anybody is doing wrong, sorry if it came across that way! And as far as those people with nasty comments…. they should be blocked, meaningless and hateful trash is not helping her or anybody for that matter! I am just saying mature people that believe that travis is the victim here should be welcome to say what they think, even if we know its wrong, thats how we get them to see the error in judgement. And thank you, hope you have a blessed day as well!!

    • I already “heard” the other side, even believed much of it, although I never believed this case was murder one. Watching every minute of this trial, either live or on replay, and not through the filtered lens of a network like HLN, I have come to the same conclusion about premeditation, but that hard evidence like the tapes and text messages prove beyond any doubt there was no kind of motive for why she killed Travis. She loved the guy, even if he treated her like dirt. He was equally if not more needy. He was proven to be a manipulative liar and a cheat.

      • Agree 100%, I believed that she was guilty at first as well, the more i learned and listened to the facts, I know now that i was wrong!!

    • I get your point Joe, but it’s hard to reason with the other side when they are trashing the defense team up and down. I constantly read remarks about how Nurmi is fat, evil, a proponent of sex crimes…we’ve said nothing like that about Martinez. He DOES have a shitty personality and aside from insulting his height, I haven’t read any personal attacks on him.

      The other sites worship Martinez and it’s hard to find people who aren’t kissing his ass online. This site is our safe haven, so to speak.

  203. New here. I came here because I am an attorney who does not believe in the death penalty.

    There have been comments about M’s questioning. First of all, on cross examination, attorneys typically ask closed-ended questions as much as possible, i.e., that’s why he ends questions with “Right?” or “Correct?” The reasoning is because the attorney is (typically) questioning an adverse witness, and you want the witness to simply answer yes or no. You do not want to give an adverse witness a chance to explain.

    With that being said, M’s style is far too aggressive, IMO. There is a demeanor in the courtroom during trial. Generally, it is one of respect for the judge, the jury, and the process. Being so aggressive works against an attorney. There may be one or two jurors who buy into it, but rarely do you get a whole jury that buys into an attorney’s behavior that may be construed as being disrespectful to the legal process.

    Also, M is getting these brief answers, but JA will have an opportunity to explain during Nurmi’s re-direct examination.

    There will be hits and misses for both sides. It is extremely rare that a prosecuting attorney ever gets a “Gotcha! moment” ala Law and Order. This is a methodical, and oftentimes, tedious process. Some questions seem irrelevant. However, even Nurmi seemed to be wandering into irrelevant territory at times, but ultimately, he was getting the whole story to develop the “theme.” Closing arguments are where each side puts together their “theme.” If the attorney does a good job, all the evidence comes together.

    Anyway, that’s my $0.02.

        • I think she has done very well. IMO, the thing that has hurt her the most is her lapse in memory. However, the defense still has to put on their expert witness(es). It will be interesting to see how good of a witness the expert is on the stand.

          Also, M’s condescension toward Nurmi will work against him. (I’ve at least seem some condescension). Juries hate when one attorney acts is if they are somehow superior to another attorney. Keep in mind, many people have a generally negative opinion about attorneys. (And, that’s putting it nicely). 🙂 When one of these attorneys thinks they are better than the other, it makes the other one look better to a jury.

          • Thank you for this, Leah.

            It’s understandable that he’s asking close-ended questions. Nurmi has done it, too, when necessary. I wouldn’t expect him to handle her with kid gloves. But, the bullying, the yelling, the getting in her face … ugh, it’s such a turn-off, and makes it seem as though the State’s case is weak and he knows it. But, I’m no juror, nor have I ever been.

    • Martinez is going to look like a moron when Nurmi comes back. And like he really never had anything in his threatened back of tricks to begin with. Jodi makes him look like a maniac and much more capable of a murder than her!

  204. I am so impressive with Jodi the way she is sticking it to that prosecutor.He is trying to break her down so he can get her impeach because i don’t think he has much beyond that to offer.I hope Jodi continue to stay calm and positive and not get upset with that stupid prosecutor.Good come back with the bend fingers,kudos,come on now if you hold your hand down all of your fingers look normal with the rest,of course if you hold it up you would see the difference.I was so worried about Jodi and how she would stand up to that shark,but i can she is totally awesome and the prosecutor is trying to poke hold in her testimony.
    I think the prosecutor anger is going to get the better of him,look at how he is trying to bully her when he doesn’t get the answer he is looking for.Some times jury doesn’t like that so i wouldn’t be surprise if we have another Casey Anthony out come.

    • Just to reply. JA can only be “impeached” if she lies under oath, i.e. through a deposition or other court testimony. Admitting that she lied before (to police, to the media, etc.) does not mean M can impeach her testimony. It goes to her credibility. If she stated something yesterday, and then testifies differently today, THEN that can be used to impeach her testimony. Practically speaking, it would be cleared up on re-direct with her stating she misspoke or misunderstood the question.

  206. Is Jodi allowed to eat lunch with her attorneys or does she have to be alone? I wonder if they can discuss how she is doing so far, can he advise her and give her a pep talk until she returns to the stand, or no? Hopefully Fartinez will get to the point of the diary after lunch. Also did Jodi say that Travis read her journals and if so when did she say that, was it yesterday? Did Fartinez make even ONE point during the first hour and a half this morning?

  207. Who are all those people sitting in front of Jodi’s family? Are those the experts for Jodi?

  209. Hahahaha, take that Martinez…I think that was mainly meant for you dickhead….About the talking over Jodi part….What an asshole..

    • She seems strong so far.
      Her answers are much shorter and abrupt.
      I think Nurmi definitely helped her prepare for this asshole (Martinez).

      • Uh oh – Jodi is smirking (I think she may do this when nervous – I do, I laugh at the worst times too).
        Hope the jury doesn’t think she’s being a snot.
        Or that they realize Martinez deserves this.

  212. LOL.. why is he arguing with the author of the diary regarding what the author meant. did he write it? he thinks she is a liar, but yet her journal is now the end all of truth?

  213. “I want to know if you enjoyed the tootsie pop and pop rocks” Martinez is reaching and kudos to Jodi for keeping a straight face! LOL

    • -dying- “You missed the baptism because you were having a tootsie roll inserted somewhere.”
      He makes it sound like a medical treatment.

      Tootsie rolls are going to be flying off the shelves…

  217. how many licks does it take to get to the center of a tootsie roll pop??

    AS MANY AS IT DOES FOR THIS MORON TO GET TO HIS POINT

  218. OMG I have to go to work and I slept all day as I worked last night but I am watching him question her about the pop rocks and she is TOTALLY holding her own. He is a jerk and I think that will piss off the jury the way he is nit picking about every little thing. I wish I could stay home and watch this! I just had to come on here and say GO JODI!!!! Hang in there and stay as strong as you are being right now. Good eye contact and not letting him brow beat her. I would be a basket case by now.

  221. im going to send dipshit a basket of tootsieroll lollipops and poprocks…..

    i think everyone shoud

    and send some dip n sticks to represent waht a fucking dipstick this MFer is

    • Hi Summer, maybe we could all pitch in so we could add bubble bath to that basket so he can do some self experimenting and realize pop rocks are water soluble…lol…of course the bath and pop rocks were at different times 😉

  222. “No there were not tootsie pops and pop rocks involved in Lonnie’s baptism”- Jodi Arias

    LLLOOOLLLOOOLLLOOLLLL!!!

  223. Am I the only one cracking up at this ridiculous cross! LOL!

    Martinez: “It does not say in the journal it was not enjoyable…right?”

    lol….so what?!?!

  224. What is with his fascination with the tootsierolly thingys ??

    Why is he going on & on about Lonnie’s baptism??

    I think his loco has gone off the tracks!

  225. poprock and tootsie pop

    im going to make a video of martinez insert a song called “poprock tootsie pop”

    omg, hes loosing it

  226. I can’t really watch the trial because of work. But what I’ve seen so far has me concern, Jodi can’t be having a little smirk on her face. That will turn off the jury fast. I know what they look for and that is one thing. Also, she needs to calm down and answer the questions and not be so vague about them. The jury saw her answering questions before and now they are seeing a different person. She is almost giving the impression that she is hiding something which is not good. I sure hope I’m wrong, but if I was on that jury (and I’m glad I’m not) I would be questioning alot of her earlier respones.

    • Kris –
      Martinez will not let her get lengthy.
      If she tries to explain he yelss, “Yes or No!”

      What do you suggest she do?
      Ignore Martinez and get herself in trouble?

      • I would suggest she answers like she did with her attorney. It would look alot better in front of the jury. You have to remember they take in everything. I want her to be her best and what I’ve seen isn’t. I could be wrong but with my experiences on juries this isn’t that good. Do I think Martinez is getting to her, no not really but she is coming across as a hostile witness (not good). That is what is making me worry.

      • So do I! No one ever notices it until I lift my hand up (or flip them the bird, it’s my middle finger!). It’s apparent when my hand is raised but not when I’m laying my hand down or holding on to something.

    • I see ur point pique..so sad but that’s how alot of people view abuse. So wrong on so many levels

      • Yes, Mel. That’s how it is.

        Listen up! victims of intimate partner violence: always tell on him, and make a record of it. Even if you’re scared, even if you’re confused, even if you’re pretty sure nobody will believe you. Even if telling will put you/your children in even greater danger, or leave you isolated, or penniless or homeless. Always tell, because you can’t possibly be the best witness to your own experience. Someone else gets to say whether it was abuse or not.

  232. Some of this questioning is so far off track.
    Sometimes people say a meal is great or a present was nice, because they want another person to feel appreciated or on the same page.
    Especially, in the case of an abusive relationship, a woman may “parrot” a man to feel she is in synch w/him, it’s so obvious to me, based on their interactions.
    There may have been a time when she thought because he liked braids she went along it, and then he expressed his thoughts that braids made her look younger or whatever, and she changed her feeling about the whole wearing braids for him idea.
    * A person can like short hair and tell someone they like it, but then something happens related to their short hair, like a negative comment or whatever, and develop an aversion to it…

  237. omg I’m rolling on the floor…which is bad I have a bad back and have trouble getting up. He’s making a fool out of himself.

    • He does look absolutely ridiculous. Unfortunately, he has made Jodi say things that aren’t to her benefit. Jodi would be better off if she was less evasive … she wouldn’t get cornered like she has several times.

      I can’t imagine what it must be like to be treated in this manner.

    • Kathy –
      I’m not trying to be rude, but I sure hope you are recognizing Martinz’s actions as well.
      You seem to be harping a lot on Jodi and assuming all kinds of things the jury are thinking,

      I actually wasnt sure if that was a laugh or her choking up, trying not to get upset (cry).

      Plus I personally have nervous laughter, I guess I’d look like a total bitch right now…

  240. Martinez, what time did you ejaculate in 2008 on Monday?
    What do mean you don’t remember?
    Wasn’t it important to you, afterall, you were having sex with your girlfriend, right?

  241. You hear that? He said, “oh, can’t you hear me?” so that he can begin yelling at her again.

        • Yes I believe Travis would have seen that and us4ed it against her when it suited him.

          I have been traumatized and I can not be arouns anyone who talks loudly, I have to avoid them as it makes me feel like fainting, & my whole nervous system would start shutting down.
          My abuser used to to torment me…..

      • Disgusting is right. There’s NOBODY who likes being yelled at–no nervous system goes unaffected by loud aggression, even if it they don’t let it show on outside. And, here’s Martinez, making a joke out of that, trying to show us how “special” Jodi is.

    • he must be a nightmare to his wife…can only imagine what a ruthless and abusive husband he must be.

      • Exactly. “You and your Dumb Sister”.

        What was up with that? I call my sister dumb all the time, in jest. If not in jest, she knows that I don’t mean it. So if I get involved in a criminal case, they will use that against me?

        WOW.

  243. Why does Martinez insist that Jodie should know the exact time she found Travis getting off while looking at little boys pics? I don’t think that is the first thing a person thinks about when they see something like that happening. What a bafoon he is!

    Good for Jodie … she’s standing her ground, and being very clear about her answers. She’s not letting him bambuzzle her. He’s not making the big points he thought he would.

  244. If he was going to have the jury convict her, he should’ve just moved on to June 4th.
    It’s already been established, TA had an open door policy. She never broke in.

  245. I’m having a field day oh HLN facebook….omg I shouldn’t but I can’t help myself….this has been a long time coming its about time an abused woman gets her day! She should be very proud as well as the defense team. BRILLANT

  246. funny now I can’t see my posts. looks like they removed it …or I’m not finding it…
    I see people responses in my facebook…several people agreed, but the original post isn’t there lol

  249. I think Martinez cross might backfire. He yells all the time over every question, while most will save the raised voice for selected important points. People will tune him out. Jodi is holding up well, but she should not smile. Probably nervous reaction but can look like a smirk. Her lawyers are watching her intently and they will probably counsel her tonight. She will have a different reaction to his questions tomorrow. Anything can happen here. I do not think she will get murder one or even two. I think manslaughter…… she may get off. Plenty of women who can prove long history of abuse are sitting in jail. Impossible to tell what a jury will do. When do they pick the final jury? There needs to be a jury of her peers, i.e., woman should be on that jury.

  250. He’s focusing on things that really don’t matter.
    June 4th is the main event.
    He can’t prove that it was murder, so he’s trying to distract the jury, and make her look bad.

    • ” He’s focusing on things that really don’t matter”…that is because he is trying to poke holes in her

      testimony to show she is a liar…BUT it isn’t happening….she is standing strong…

      One question…wouldn’t it be better for her to answer yes or no and then have her attorney clear it up

      on redirect? I know Martinez is a butthole.. but when he asks a definte yes or no question and she is

      undecisive i don’t know if that helps her…

  252. I can’t follow what Martinez is even talking about, so I can only imagine what the jury feels like! I have a horrible headache & don’t know if I can keep watching this debacle.

    • I know, it looks like he’s trying to catch her lying by confusion n going around in circles so that it looks like shes lying then he’ll drop that subject n go onto something else without making a point to the previous subject. Then he’ll move on to something else since he didn’t catch the lie but confused n lv everyone hanging. Lol

  253. I thought that the media was there to provide the public for fair information but HLN and In session all they do is attack defendants I thought in the United States we were INNOCENT UNTIL PROOVEN GUILTY by a JURY not by the medias WITCH HUNT. Its like the Salem witch trials all over. They dislike Jodi because she was having consentual sex and I think alot of them see how pretty she is and attack her just like little school kids.

    • I feel like HLN is generating hate and anxiety to the public and could actually become dangerous is someone is dealing with mental illness. Its really messed up. Same thing with Casey Anthony, so much hate was created in others because of how the media portrayed her. Something should really be done about their bias opinions, granted they want ratings but feeding hate to the public is only going to generate more hate in our world. we already have too many murder suicides on the news…They have got to stop what they are doing!!!
      Wonder what we can do as citizens to stop them. I wont even allow my tv to have hln on because it is just one more rating that they dont deserve

    • This is my first time posting on this site, but I have visited many times and read the posts to get up to date on the trial. I fully support Jodi and I hope that the jury will make the right decision and see that things just don’t add up as far as the investigation. I have been curious about the other sites supporting Travis but I haven’t been able to find them. I just want to see how they are justifying all of the lies that Travis has told and the fact that his roommates were in a house with a decomposing body that could be smelled by police upon entering the premisis but not by those who had been there in the house.

  254. Can someone PLEASE PLEASE give me an overview of what has happened since they came back from lunch? I had to go to work for a few hours. I dont think I can stand to watch him attack her any more today or I would just watch it on youtube

    • he has spent the majority of the last hours going over the texts of the day that she said she caught him masturbating, and asking her why she didn’t say anything in her text messages about it. She came right back and said, ” I wouldn’t ever text something like that” Basically he’s been trying to show she’s lying about things because she never wrote down anything. But she’s holding up well, calling him out crap, and told him point blank she has memory issues with “MEN LIKE YOU and TRAVIS” It was AWESOME

      • I missed that part. Do you remember about how long ago she zinged him? I’d really like to re-watch Jodi say that to Martinez!

  255. I’m sitting here trying to figure out what the hell just happened. Who is Lonnie and why does their baptism matter? Why is it important that she forgot the write the dates down here-here-and-here? What’s up with the pen ink? Is he trying to say she wrote it in blood now? For fuck sakes.

    Amazing how HLN tries to turn it around on the defendant by accusing them of wasting taxpayer time and dollars – have they noticed ANYTHING the likes of Ashton and Martinez are doing?

    I don’t even feel like I’m watching a trial anymore, it’s like a saturday night live skit.

    • in between the walking on him masturbating/assault incident happened so what hwe is going for i guess is that if that wasnt mentioned on the journal then it couldn have happened!!!oh WOW,Martinez really???Just because she didnt write it disproves it ever taking place???REALLY??Mmm,let’s think!what about the fact that this was TOO BIG to be written??Or that by that time she wouldnt have been able even to write she’s LEFT HANDED,if Travis broke her left ring finger she wouldnt habe been able to hold a pen,ever thought of that????

      • I think that folks are underestimating the importance of the journal entries.

        JM isn’t trying to “prove” that an event did or didn’t happen through the journals. He is trying to find inconsistencies. He has 8 days of testimony to correlate together.

        I fear that the defense made a mistake keeping Jodi on the stand for so long. They’re best strategy would have been to keep everything short and concise. That strategy would have given JM less to work with.

        This trial comes down to 2 things:
        -credibility
        -forensics

        The journal entries address credibility, which is a huge hurdle in this case to begin with, for many reasons.

        • As I stated above. Then the absence of any journal entries premeditating his murder would also preclude that she never did? Using that circular logic?

  256. Ok. Did she get caught lying???????? I didnt catch it, im watching it on ustream n the haters on the sude comments where all saying she got busted lying????

  257. I am watching HLN now…She gets fluster when she gets yelled at and it is hard for her to remember stuff WELL THAT IS A normal reaction for people who have been beat by a partner. I think this jerk needs to read up alittle better on the PTSD that domestic violence victims go through.

  258. If it weren’t such a serious matter, Martinez would be laughable. I can’t keep up with what the fuck he’s talking about. It’s gibberish, and I seriously have a splitting headache trying to figure out where he’s going with all this mental acrobatic bullshit.

    He’s a complete asshole, not likable at ALL, and he’s a disgrace to his profession .

  259. There’s a sucker born every minute – HLN talking heads are buying into Martinez’s explanation of the finger, when all common sense would suggest that her finger would blend in when her hand is curled and relaxed.

    It’s pathetic that GROWN PEOPLE like this can’t be honest with themselves and their audience long enough to address the finger issue without smirking, smiling, and being an all around smug shithead.

    Really, Mike Galanos – lawyers, ect. You are enjoying this? Don’t you know what a load of bullshit smells like when it’s right under your nose? Or has your face been so far deep between the asscheeks of network owners to tell the difference anymore?

    To think at one time, several years ago, I had respect for these people. The thought that I once turned to these people for news turns my stomache.

    • Yeah, I saw the curved finger photo later…geez.

      I tuned in late, so, did i miss Kermit proving the tire slashing and emails??? Oh, yeah, cause he can’t so he is going after stupid shit….

      • BeeCee –
        Dont think you missed much.
        Martinez is swimming backwards right now.

        Lots of sidebars and reading of journal entries.

      • That’s right! He has NO case, ZERO proof of anything, so off he goes doing backflips about anything and everything except his own damn theory.

        He’s lost, he knows it. It’s only a matter of time now…

    • So well said MB…I was the same way. I watched HLN, CNN like a religion a few years back, and I have to admit I believed almost everything they said. But the curtain was lifted, and now I see who they truly are. When you read the comments on their FB page, they all look and sound like lemmings. Disgusting!

      • Ya on Facebook the In session comments to Beth are really bad. They keep talking about Jodi’s glasses and they are really out for blood. Mike Galanos is very, very judgmental. I boycotted him a long time ago and not don’t watch it. HLN sucks…it could have been an interesting channel if they did truly present both sides.

        • This should be of concern to everybody who cares about the justice system and the Bill of Rights. We are supposed to be a country of laws, not of a lynch mob. The whole cynical drumbeat for vengeance for ratings is disturbing, even dangerous.

          It makes you wonder how in the hell these lawyers like Nancy Grace ever got licensed to practice law.

          • I have to tell you that watching this from Canada I’m seeing more of a soap opera than a court proceeding. I actually thought this was all staged initially. I almost feel like I’m watching a live reality tv show, something like Jim Carrey’s “The Truman Show”.

          • I agree with all your points! HLN is making a mockery of our justice system, our society, and the press. More than that, they are brazenly, shamelessly selling out to exploit tragedies to line their own pockets.

            They just put a graphic up of Jodi and Juan with punching bags. I mean really? Really?? This is not a UFC match! It’s a death penalty trial. To think these folks hold degrees and are considered good enough to put on tv. They people would probably hand over their grandmother if the execs asked them to.

  260. Wow Jodi is doing so well. She is having to be assertive, because if she is not, Martinez will get her with details. She is doing a GREAT job not allowing him to put words in her mouth. He can’t find a lie so he is trying to trick her into SEEMING like she told one. She warned him in the beginning, “I never said anything I wasn’t sure of.” The defense KNEW he would be looking for ANY discrepancy in her testimony. They were not gonna let her say ANYTHING she can’t back up or remember the details of.
    Martinez is not going to get what he wants, you can (lol JC) “MARK MY WORDS”.

  261. @Kris or SJ could one of you please let mehow to email SJ to get the address and inmate number for Jodi. I want to send her a money order.
    MEN like TA seem to zero in on women with low self esteem and not so good family lives because they know they will be easy to control!!

  262. oh btw…another abuser got his just deserts today…38yrs for drew peterson! should of been more, but he will be dead before that is over.

    • I wish I lived closer to where the trial is I would love to be in the court room to support Jodi. Are there many people there FOR her?

  263. I missed most of today and watching it right now, Mr. Martinez’s questions are confusing me because is there any relevance to what he’s talking about?

  264. I don’t like this whole magazine thing…Yikes….Could someone let me know how to contact Jodi…I would like to write to her and let her know people out here are on her side and supporting her. Im sure she would appreciate the mail.

  268. Ok, I’m scared. Can someone please explain the message in the magazines. How are these just allowed into evidence now? Will this hurt her? And what does this prove?

    • DD , Not sure ~ I have not heard anything about them.

      Wouldn’t Nurmi have questioned her about them if they knew about them.

      • New evidence can be entered on cross if it has to dowith something she had testified to or to do with her truthfulness I believe that is what someone posted earlier today.

        I have a question that is really getting at me….Regarding the photo of TA that they are indicating shows he was being drug. First how if she was dragging him did the photo get taken…it would take two hands to drag him?? Is there a clear picture anywhere? the one I saw you cant tell that he was being drug or if he was just laying there.

        • 🙂 Thanks for your reply to my ?

          Those are some good questions you have asked, maybe someone can help out understanding the photo questions.

          I think even using 2 hands and every muscle in her body, dragging dead weight would be a difficult job.

  269. All I’m going to say is this:
    1. One of the recovered images allegedly shows her dragging him out of the bathroom. How is it that someone who supposedly in the process of killing someone stops to take pictures. So she has a gun in one hand, a knife in the other and a third hand holding the camera or setting it down somewhere to take a picture? Maybe she used a remote control device for an automatic exposure? If the camera fell, wouldn’t the lens break or the device stop working? How is it that this magical camera caught her dragging him out of the bathroom?
    2. She’s a photographer! What photog deletes “certain” pix, then tosses the digital camera into the washer with some bleach? You would just TAKE the camera with you! Or at the very least, take the memory card out. Is it possible that someone else was actually involved in this murder and was not informed that it was a digital camera, threw it in the washer with bleach thinking there was actual film in there? Clearly whoever this person was had no clue about a camera in any sense of the word.

    All very illogical.

  270. I am so glad to have found this site….I am currently contemplating why I watch HLN????…most of the commentators Nancy Grace..Jane Velez Mitchell..Dr. Drew already have Jody Arias guilty as charged…why are people so quick to enjoy the pain of others?????..at 58 years of age I have NEVER met a perfect person….I have been bullied at my work-site in retaliation for reporting severe security breaches ending a 29+ career with NYS having to retire on Disability Retirement…I know what its like to be bullied and have to take it..it really messes up your head..at the time 2007-2010 there were times when I didn’t know whether I was coming or going..I am no longer “the same” person I was prior because I received no justice…..if not for psychiatric help..basically to keep my FOCUS on what’s really important…I wouldn’t be here today…that is what Jodi has to do….stay focused and tell the truth

    I’m prefacing my comments about myself because I’ve learned from that experience that “things are NOT always as they appear…the World is full of ASSUMPTIONS!!!!!….people believe what they WANT to believe…my thoughts..btw great comments from other posters…are that it is possible that Jody doesn’t remember the actual event due to trauma…this guy Travis was no saint actually the antithesis of what he portrayed himself to be….on his MYSPACE page he mentions in his profile WHO WOULD YOU LIKE TO MEET?..his answer ANYONE BUT WHORES…I think that the Defense should bring this comment up at the trial

    ..and who is Juan Martinez to say what Jodi should put in a journal????…I think she is doing a great job in raising his blood pressure..there’s a saying “kill em with kindness”…short guys are known to have a Napoleon complex

    I like the comments about a possible other person framing Jodi…none of his friends liked her…… how could she possibly drag a body all that way???..something is definitely missing in the equation..I just can’t figure out what….????

    the bottom line is that God knows what happened..I made the mistake of posting on a pro Travis site and boy did I get attacked….whether you are for Jodi or not everyone deserves respect for their opinion

    I believe that Jodi said that Travis “splinted” her finger for her

    sorry that I wrote such a long post…first time poster..just trying somehow to express all that I feel regarding this case and hoping that justice is served meaning that the “truth” will be exposed…unfortunately for Jodi she will and has been judged by the court of public opinon already :(..by ALL of these PERFECT PEOPLE that I’ve never met…….

    • Nancy Grace and Dr.Drew are Hate Mongers Its sad that the Media is so Bias because everything Jodi does is scrutinized The Glasses etc. I find that all these Mormons coming out of the closet to appear on these programs is more then a little suspicious, I was very concerned yesterday with Jodi’s memory lapse but Today I thought she was great. Martinez has a Napoleon Complex, I was very turned off by the prosecutor from the onset of this trial , I am sure many jurors will feel the same way. The whole Diary thing is bogus. The magazine thing does not necessarily have to do with Pedophilia accusations he is trying to connect them. I find the Roommate thing strange the Jurors in the beginning asked if they were interviewed.

    • I have posted on the pro-Travis sites, or at least the Facebook site. And, I think that it is funny. I do not laugh at the people. But, I do laugh at their ideas. Even if we did not hear anything about what transpired that night, it would still be easy to figure out that the event was not premeditated, or even planned.

      Here is the problem that I have with any type of conviction related to Travis’ death. If a man picks up a woman and body slams her, and the woman is forced to run for her life, and she is forced to try to brandish a weapon, in order to fend off an attack, and the assailant persists, then even if the woman did shoot intentionally, I see nothing morally wrong with doing so. In fact, if I went to Mesa, Arizona and I threatened a police officer, what would he do? He may well shoot me. And, it would be business as usual. So, even if Jodi had intentionally shot Travis, when he dove at her, then I do not think that she did anything wrong. But, if she only brandished the weapon, and her assailant attacked, and she simply pulled the trigger too hard, then the injury would not even be intentional. It could have been a “fright pull” on the trigger. So, if Jodi is punished for any injury that Travis incurred, while she was simply trying to defend herself, then I would say that this is one of the worst injustices that I have ever seen in my entire life. And, not only that, but it sends the message to all women, children, and elderly people, that they have zero right to defend themselves, and that they should lay down like a doormat, and get beat up, punched, raped, killed, or whatever, because “MIGHT MAKES RIGHT” in the USA! I don’t buy it. Either you have a right to try to defend yourself, or you don’t. In an extremely dangerous situation a person cannot sit down and measure out forty five different possibilities, and all of their legal implications. It is easy to do so after the fact, when people spend months sifting over details of something that might have transpired in a few frightful seconds. So, if Jodi is convicted for any injury to Travis, then the court has convicted itself. Also, it is really hypocritical that so many many people are calling for the death penalty, while not even being aware of the evidence, yet there are scores of law enforcement agents who clearly killed in cold blood, and who never received the death penalty.

      • Ben,
        I agree 100% with you…but in this case, IMO, if it had been the way you described and ONLY brandished a gun and it was only that shot that killed TA, this would have been over with years ago. Open and shut. However, the totality of the knife wounds that she inflicted on him and the throat slashing are the reason it s a DP case. Self defense IS a defense, you are indeed allowed to use deadly force if you are in fear for your life or fear of bodily harm. But there is a standard, meaning you are only allowed to use an amount of force appropriate to stop a person. (this is the law I am quoting, although not verbatim) So, in the case, for obvious reasons, the State has found she “overkilled”, so to speak. Like I said, had she just shot him and left, it would be a whole other ballgame. She would still need to prove he attacked her, but it would not be anything like the trial we see now.

        • Hello Anna,

          Thanks for better informing me. Also, I understand what you are saying, and that you are explaining from the state’s legal point of view.

          My view is that since this involved a knife, it is not overkill, because there is no way to predict what it would take to stop an individual. For example, if Mike Tyson was in his prime, and he came after me with the intent to kill, and I had to fight with a knife, I would probably stab him as hard, and as fast, as I could. If the adrenalin kicked in, I would probably stab three times more than intended. Also, if I was forced to stab someone I dearly loved, in order to save my own life, or the life of some small children, I would definitely go out of my mind – not just because of the killing, but because of the killing of a loved one, by my own hands. If there was no other recourse, and it happened, it would definitely be a matter of pure mental, and emotional, anguish.

          From what I can see, the problem is that we do not know how Travis reacted to the .25 gunshot wound. It is a very underpowered firearm. And, there are plenty of cases of people getting shot by a .25, and becoming even more belligerent than ever. So, without knowing how Travis reacted, it is really hard for me to know what amount of force would be needed, in order to kill him via a knife fight. For instance, if of the 27 wounds, only 2 of them were actually fatal wounds, then – as far as I am concerned – the rest of the wounds do not count for anything. In other words, I think that people need to know how many FATAL wounds there are. If the situation was different, and Jodi had brought a serious gun – like a .357 Magnum – and she shot a dozen bullets into Travis, from thirty feet, then I would definitely say that it was not self defense. Unfortunately, Jodi was simply not prepared to defend herself. But, does that make it more of a crime? If she had been prepared for a conflict, she could have fired one shot, and Travis would have been dead. And, no one could claim that she “over killed” Travis. But, if a person is not prepared for a life and death fight, and a person must use a knife, it is simply a matter of kill or be killed. So, if Jodi is charged with overkilling Travis, or killing him to much, then it basically comes down to not being well prepared for the conflict, with the right weapons, etc – which is all impossible when it is not premeditated.

          It is ironic that things could get down to such a fine technicality, in a life and death situation, that clearly involves self defense. I saw a video some time ago where a squadron of police officers ordered a man to drop a knife. It looked like the man was about twenty feet away from the officers, and walking in the opposite direction. Suddenly, all of the officers opened fire. Maybe they shot the guy twenty five times, or so. In that case, I would say that the officers committed a grievous murder, and they should either get the electric chair, or be hung publicly, in their police uniforms. It was an excessive wanton murder, on the tax payers dime.

          Anyway, thanks for clarifying the legal position of the state.

  271. I’m going to warn everyone in advance that this is likely to get a little long. I’ll try to add a tl;dr summary at the end, for those who don’t want to read all of my thoughts on this, but that, too, may end up lengthy. I apologize in advance but considering I just discovered this site, and have been gnawing at the bit since this trial first started to share my opinions/thoughts on this situation, I really want to get it out now that I’ve found a place to do so.

    With that being said, I’m going to preface this by saying that I am a survivor of domestic abuse, not at the hands of any boyfriend (actually, I’m a lesbian, so that technically would be girlfriend, but I digress) but rather at the hands of my step-father when I was a child. From the age of 12 to the age of 17, he abused me in every possible way he could. Then, two days after I turned 17, something inside of me snapped. That day, when he attempted to “teach me a lesson” about forgetting to put up the toilet seat when I was done using it (yes, you read that right, we put the seat UP in my childhood home, to make it easier for him), I just… lost it, for lack of a better way to put it. I picked up a wooden chair we had in our kitchen, I started swinging, and I didn’t stop until he was on the ground and the chair was in veritable splinters at my feet. I didn’t kill him, but I came very close.

    Here’s the thing. I can remember what I had for lunch that day. I can remember that it was a sunny day with a chance of rain that night. I can remember what I was wearing, what he was wearing, even what was playing on the radio moments before he called me into the kitchen to talk. But the act of picking up the chair and beating him with it? There’s nothing. Not a single thing. I have no memory of the event, whatsoever, and I suppose I never will.

    Now. As far as Jodi goes. I’m going to be honest, here. When this trial very first began, I had my reservations. I’m ashamed to admit that I allowed the opinions of supposed “professional journalists” sway me before I’d even learned all of the facts. Then, when my sister threatened to smack me upside the head for being a mindless sheep instead of using my own mind to make up my own opinion, I started to really pay attention. And, little by little, it became very obvious to me that there is NO. POSSIBLE. WAY. Jodi did this in cold blood. There just… isn’t any possibility, whatsoever, and no one will ever convince me otherwise.

    EVERYTHING, from the way she holds herself, to the way she speaks, to just… everything, makes it so very clear to me that this was a woman who was emotionally, mentally, sexually, and then ultimately physically abused by a smooth-talking piece of garbage who was a professional conman (I apologize if that offends anyone – I really do NOT consider what Travis did for a living to be an actual job, even in the slightest). Much like most domestic abuse situations, she hid the abuse from everyone – likely out of fear of what he would do, as well as because she loved him, and probably also because she felt no one would believe her – and then, one day, enough became enough and she reacted in self defense to save her own life. Then, because she knew Travis’ friends didn’t like her, and that he was considered, by society’s standards, to be “better” than her, she feared no one would believe the fact that she was acting in self defense and, because she had no real memory of the event, wasn’t even certain WHAT had happened fully. So, she did what most people would do in that situation. She tried to protect herself, as best she could, by lying – both to herself and anyone and everyone else.

    To me, it’s just that simple. And nothing I’ve seen, or heard, has shown me otherwise. And while I will freely admit that the lying certainly doesn’t look GOOD, I can’t say I blame her. I mean, look at how the media is vilifying her without even attempting to consider her side of the story. They ought to be ashamed of themselves. It’s really just a complete travesty.

    And don’t even get me started on that piece of crap prosecutor. He’s a horrible, vile little man that makes my skin crawl whenever I look at him.

    So yes. In summary: I believe 100% (and then some) that Jodi acted in self-defense, I sincerely hope the jury is truly paying attention and realizes much the same, and I am SO glad to have found a site where I can share that opinion without having to fear being “flamed alive” online!

    Oh! Also. I think she did AWESOME on the stand today. She was poised, calm, and collected, while the prosecutor came across as a rabid, ravenous dog. I was a little embarrassed for him, truth be told.

    • I agree. I am not 100% for Jodi at this point but getting there. Truth be told I just started following a few days ago. But it is close.

      The way JM is attacking her is shocking, to say the least. I have panic attacks, and if that was me up there with him, I would be afraid beyond belief. And to top that off, having to sleep in jail at night? You bet I would have a difficult time with my memory!

      I too, was a victim of abuse – (Well, not exactly, but more like “bullying”. An event like yours is much worse – I am so sorry). The point is, I was bullied many days after school, but I cannot recall what happened. I remember the bruises on me, and I specifically remember what show was on TV at home that day, and what I had for dinner. I remember who I called, and what I was wearing. But I cannot tell you much about the specific event.

      JM bringing up pop rocks, tootsie rolls – that only helps the defense. Personally, that sounds like a sick guy’s fantasy, and not hers. She went along with his requests, including even sicker acts.

      The point is, the media has already made up the guilty verdict, and that is a shame. This was no pre-meditated act, and I know the jury will see that. But like others have said on here – if she is acquitted, she will have to live a life in exile.

      • In regards to the sexual fantasies that the persecutor – oh, sorry, I meant prosecutor – keeps trying to say were all on her. That? Is obviously total crap. If she were as into that stuff as he’s trying to make it seem (and, really, there’s nothing wrong with fantasies and whatnot in a HEALTHY sexual relationship – at least, in my opinion, provided of course that both parties are agreeable to it and actually enjoying themselves equally) then where is all of the proof of her having done similar things with other boyfriends before Travis? Where are the pictures/videos/ANYTHING to show that she did these same things with other men? Because as anyone with any sort of sexual fantasy knows, you don’t change that fantasy from one partner to the next. They stay the same, perhaps tweaked a bit, but there would be something there to show that she did these same sorts of things with previous lovers if it were on her.

        My only real concern is the gun. That’s the thing that I think may hurt her the most. Not her explaining she used Travis’ gun, but the fact that her grandparent’s gun was stolen around that time and was the same caliber. HOWEVER, coincidences do happen and that could easily be what this is.

        Insofar as Travis’ actually owning a gun himself, and that ridiculous “friend” of his on television claiming he would come out to shoot and always borrow a gun – I have something to say about that, too. As someone who both owns a gun (for protection) as well as learned how to use various types of guns (to determine which kind I wanted to purchase for my own home), I can say without a shadow of a doubt that there is a “stigma” in the gun-owning community. If you show up at a shooting range/get together/whatever with a small handgun and everyone else has assault rifles, you are not going to be invited back. In fact, you’re probably going to get laughed right out of the room.

        So my theory is that Travis owned a handgun, which Jodi knew about, but he never really mentioned it to others (why would he?) and, when he did go shooting with friends, just borrowed their guns so he would be able to save face and “fit in”.

        But yes. The media is being ridiculous about this and I am SO ashamed of all of them. I really cannot wait until she beats this.

    • hopefulregret,
      I’m so sorry that you were abused.
      The idiots talking on TV say that Jodi is bad for women that are really abused.
      The Motor Moths themselves are a huge problem. They make fun of her shaking, ( actually I didn’t see her shaking, but Mike Brooks made fun of her and said she was shaking like a (chijaja?)made fun of her finger, everything she says is a lie to them. I don’t get it. Not ONE of them are smart enough to get it OR they don’t care, they just want her dead.
      In your post you proved them wrong, that she’s actually helping abused women) and I hope that the jury get’s it too.
      I’m like you, wasn’t abused though, but was sure happy to find this site for Jodi.
      It is such a relief!

  272. Its wonderful Jodi has so much support here, I love you ALL! Thank you so much for this site, SJ, I don’t know what we’d have done without you! 🙂

  273. these magazines that were intercepted by the jail do not look good! The fact that she wrote hidden messages in them and tried to get them to her ex bf is going to look suspicious to the jury, especially because of the timing. (it was the same week there was a hearing that her ex was going to testify in) I’m also on the fence about the diary..here’s why. Alot of you have said that diaries are not truth and they don’t matter, which can be true…but in Jody’s case, she already said she didn’t talk to anyone about her relationship. When you see (read) her diary, she is very explicit about her life and what is going on with Travis, so looking at it from that angle…won’t the jury think, “hmm….why is there an entry saying saying nothing noteworthy for 4 days”…when that is EXACTLY when huge things happened regarding Travis?! I know she said she would never ever tell about him, but this is a journal…it just doesn’t sit well with me. She is well spoken and I really expected her to have a better reason for that, but then again, Martinez was changing topic so quickly that maybe he did her a favor inadvertantly. I’m actually more concerned with the messages in the magazines, as that is serious if they can prove attempted witness tampering. I guess when they call Matt to the stand we will know more…at least it ended right then and she has a long weekend to get with her attorneys and get ready for Monday.
    I have a feeling we will see a whole new Martinez and likely a new Jody, as someone here said, she was smiling and somewhat smirking/laughing and I bet her attorney will talk to her about that. Even as frustrating or silly as she things Martinez is…thats not smart as the jury is sitting there watching her every move, and believe me, someone is picturing Travis after he was killed. I hope she is more serious and controlled Monday. Anyway…thats my 2 cents..! LOL!

    • That is one incidence yes but I would hazard a guess that there is nothing written about any time that was bad with Travis in her journal. Why? Because if it got into anyone’s hands including Travis’s there would be hell to pay. How do we know that he never read her journals? She said she took it with her everywhere she went so the chances are he read at least some of it at one time or another. There are text messages of him telling her who she should not date. If he controlled her in such a way as she has stated, there is no way she would write anything against him in her journal for fear that he would read it and incur his wrath. Abused women are generally not fools. They do not give reason for their abuser to react.

    • Did you notice during the time that Martinez was showing Jodi the magazines he did not once ask her if that was her handwriting? He only asserted that they were her magazines. He pointed out they were in her name. If I was a juror I would want to know if the handwriting was hers or not but he never posed that question ever.A juror needs to know facts, they are not to assume anything.

  274. MORMON MAFIA – MESA POLICE CONNECTION

    http://www.ripoffreport.com/government-corruption/mesa-arizona-judges/mesa-arizona-police-corruption-97762.htm

    “I was a public defender in Mesa for several years.

    For reasons involving privilege, I cannot be more specific. I still practice, but go NOWHERE near Mesa, Arizona.

    As my young career evolved, I handled cases in both municipal and county courts. What I saw was so disgusting, it made me question my ever seeking a legal education.

    I saw and heard things in police reports and in sworn testimony from police officers which were simply impossible, and was told not to challenge them or the judge would not “take it well”. They were not just fiction and fantasy, they were absurd contrivances to “prove” someone guilty of
    crimes which were, if not downright false, always grotesque exaggerations.

    This is not to say that many of my clients were not guilty. This I am not supposed to judge. However, I can note here that most of them were not quite guilty of the charges for which they stood trial, or with which they were charged.

    In some cases, defendants were charged with crimes which took place far, far from where they were, and the alibis were ironclad solid. And yet, I was told never to press too hard for dismissal. A few were simple mistaken identify, but I was horrified when my boss told me to just “shut up and proceed”… What amazed me was, the prosecutors generally knew they had the wrong person, and yet persisted.

    Oddly, when I finally located another job, a better one, and decided to simply go ahead and win, I fell into serious disfavor. Bear in mind, I am discussing about a half-dozen significant felony cases which were obviously fraudulent. Then I, myself (I am a Baptist, I do not imbibe alcohol) started to be stopped by the police for all kinds of strange traffic citations, every one false.

    Once, seeing the prosecutor’s evidence and knowing my client was not only innocent, but could not possibly have done the “crime” of which he stood accused, and in the presence of the judge, I simply advised all parties present that the repercussion of proceeding would be a disaster for the city of Mesa. I was censured for this. Their zeal wound up in a huge lawsuit, still pending, I believe, in which they will ultimately have to pay many millions.

    I supposedly “threatened the court”…

    I did not, of course. What I said is on an ethical borderline, but by no means a threat.

    Mesa does not observe the normal rules of law, ethics, and even ordinary decent human behavior. The city police and courts are predators, plain and simple, and need to be treated accordingly.

    I enter this rebuttal on a friend’s computer, in my new home town.”

    • Ben,
      Interesting, and I have no reason to doubt you. However, can I ask you what, if anything, you are implying regarding this case? Do you feel there is something unethical or illegal regarding the trying of Ms Arias? Im sorry, Im just confused by your post….

      • No, I totally support the right to self defense. I believe that the facts show that Jodi was forced to defend herself. And, I do not believe that she should be convicted of anything pertaining to Travis’ death.

        In the bigger picture what I did not realize was that the Mesa police force has a long history of corruption which is directly tied to the LDS presence in the community. I was somewhat skeptical of this idea, until I did a little Googling, and discovered that there are literally hundreds, or maybe thousands, of complaints that relate to incidents going back twenty five years, or so. It is inconceivable that so many different people would be able to recount so many instances of corruption – especially corruption that was connected to the LDS community. I hope that the involvement of the Mesa police department does not adversely affect the outcome of the trial.

        • Ben,
          Ok, I understand. I think if we all look we will find some police corruption spread far and wide in this country. As it relates to this case, I don’t know where the corruption would lie. What I mean by this is that Jody has confessed, she has never said evidence was missing, or tampered with, or even that she was mistreated. Things have moved slow for sure, but that is due to her changing her story in 2010 to self defense. She has attorneys working with her, and the State has charged the same crime from day 1. So things are moving along normally with no out of the ordinary complaints from either side. So at this point, for their to be any involvement/corruption from the Mesa PD would be highly unlikely as the trial has begun and the jury is seated. Unless I am missing something you are trying to say?

          • Thanks Anne, Your explanation is comforting to hear. Honestly, I know basically zero about the judicial process. Thanks for making everything clearer.

  275. Who is the guy that said he introduced Travis to Jodi and where is he now. He said that he received a message saying Travis is dead and yet he went on to Cancun and met up with people there.
    Why didn’t some of these people, if nothing else know his family and call to check and see what happened? Was there gping to be a Memorial and if so when? I’m sure that they would have wanted to know something.

    Also yesterday Nurmi asked if she had told anyone else about the sex and she said yes, it was Aaron because he could trust him not to say anything and he would help and advise her on talking to the Bishop.
    Aaron belonged to the church and was more than just a member, like Travis, higher up. Is this the Aaron Dewey that has been all over TV? Very trust worthy alright!
    He WAS also a room mate of Travis’s

    Zach another room mate who drove Jodi to the police station. Where were these guys for 5 days?
    Hopefully they will be called to testify. I don’t know who the defense is calling after Jodi, does anyone know?

    And I hadn’t heard about the dog, but if he was in that house, he would have been raising all kind of hell day and night until some neighbor heard him.

    I hate the way too that those talking heads mock Jodi and laugh at her. Mike Brooks and Vinnie are terrible. They should be ashamed.
    There is not one that gives Jodi any credit at all I wish they had it on some place besides In Session and HLN.

    One more thing!!! The GLASSES??? What about them? Do any of them have any idea how many different reasons, Far sided, near sided, contacts. Are any of them bright at all. I noticed Nurmi took his down to read close. I was hoping they would say something then. Finally they did have egg on their faces. Just like when Vinnie said one day OH today her Mother isn’t here, just as they were showing her taking her seat in court.

    They wanted Martinez to use the fact Jodi wasn’t wearing glasses while reading her journal.
    Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, that would have been priceless. Talk about DUH!!!
    And NO she dorsn’t have them on in her photos. Who does when they have contacts.
    Well, llike the rest of you I had to get on here and ask questions, especially about the room mates and the 5 days.
    That’s the questions I hope they ask.

    I’m not sure if Jodi isn’t completely innocent myself.
    I think she must be protecting someone.
    When none of this makes sense how can anyone convict her?

    • I’m not sure about the roomates, as far as if they will be called. I am assuming the defense won’t call them. It doesnt seem as if they have anything positive to say about her, (the State may call someone, not sure) I am remembering when 911 was called by one of his roomates, and a girl got on the phone with the operator and told her about finding Travis and all the blood etc. The operator asked if he had any enemies and she said YES, and said Travis had an ex who was stalking him and named Jody. That looks terrible and IMO the defense wouldn’t want to call someone who said that. If they do, the State is allowed to address them as well and you can bet that will be brought up. Jody did mention in testimony that she told Aaron personal things regarding her and Travis. If those things are not flattering to Jody, or go against the things she has been saying (abuse etc) then it’s likely the State will call him. BTW, I wear contacts or glasses to see distance, like driving, tv, etc…but when I read I take them off. Its normal for near sighted people, unless you have on bi-focals.:)

      • But, they’ve already heard the 911 tape with aoo of that on it. Like in Casey’s case they had Kronks 911 tape, but didn’t play the original until the defense called him to the stand.

        I think just about anyone would understand about the glasses. Every time they comment on her wearing them to look innocent, it makes them look silly.

      • The room mates were there at the house. Something is wrong for sure if someone doesn’t call them and question them about the 5 days thst they were there and couldn’t tell something was wrong and the dog probably tried to get their attention to hos owner.
        Plus the room mates are all over the TV. Yes, They NEED to be called.
        They need to rxplain it under oath.

  276. I have been looking at this site for a while, but cannot seem to find the answer. Are the options Death Penalty, Life, Murder 2, and/or Manslaughter? Or just Murder 1 or Acquittal? Like many of you, I find it hard to convince TWELVE jurors that it was premeditated – no way at all.

    As far as TA, I don’t know him, the media doesn’t know him, but he is no poster boy. He was a sexual deviant and a disgrace to my religion (mormon). How dare he baptize her and then proceed with sexual relations? There is no doubt in my mind he came to her first with the knife. What happened next – well who knows for sure. It has been PROVEN that traumatic events such as this will wipe your memory clean. I wonder why the general public can’t see that.

    Now, I am not 100% totally for Jodi, I will be forthcoming on that. I was a prior 100% for TA when this trail started, but the more I look into it the more I am becoming converted. The straw on the camel’s back for me, was a picture of TA and everyone was all “look at what she did to that sweet and innocent boy”. I am sorry … while I never met TA, I can tell he is anything but sweet and innocent. I wish she had more memory to discuss what happened in the bathroom, but I can imagine an event like that wiping your memory clean. It happened to me once during a panic attack episode, but that’s irrelevant.

    • Jake, I understand
      They keep saying don’t trash Travis. WELL,
      If it had been Jodi that was killed they would be trashing her.
      I’ve asked about the penalty phase myself.

      Today one of the motor mouths on TV said something about Jodi would accept a second degree, but Martinez said no, he wants death.
      But, I never believe anything that they say.
      I can’t see how the can convict her on premeditated murder either.
      Who decides the pentalty? Is it the jury?
      I think they can decide One, Two or manslaughter or innocent.

      IMO she was trying to defend herself and didn’t want to bring up all of the details.
      That’s how I see it now. That’s just my opinion
      I agree about the memory. I read an interesting article. I’ll post it!

      • Thanks for your reply.

        I actually did some research and found (assuming it is true, with the media you never know) that in 2010 Jodi wanted to plea bargain to M2 which carries a 10-25 year sentence. She stated that one of the reasons she would do this would be to not throw TA through the mud, but the prosecutor rejected any such talk.

        To me, at this point (until I read more about an acquittal – like I said, I am slowly converting to that) M2 sounds fair, and with time served already, she will be out in 5 years with good behavior. And truth be told, that might be a BETTER option, because if she was let out of jail now, she would fear for her life for at least 5 years. It takes at least that long, I would imagine, to let things cool so she can lead a normal life.

  278. I just got home from a night shift and I missed a lot of yesterday’s testimony but from what I saw I think he is trying to provoke Jodi into a rage and then he will ask her if this is what she was like the day she killed Travis! I hope she is able to resist letting him get to her like he so obviously is trying to do.

    • BevM,

      My girlfriend and I were discussing this very thing last night and this is exactly the conclusion we came to, as well. It makes sense, from his standpoint I guess, to try and show her in some other light. However, Jodi is doing a fabulous job of holding her own on that stand and, based on what friends of hers have said, she really isn’t one to fly into rages and whatnot (in fact, one of her friends said something along the lines of how she tended to just shut down when someone would get in her face – which is PRECISELY what most abuse victims do) so I am SURE she will beat him at his own game.

  279. These are a couple of exerpts taken from a friend of Travis’s Katie’s blog about him. First off I would like to state she saw him as a totally awesome guy. She wrote :
    Yes, you are amazing. And I’m sorry, but I can’t bring myself to shave every inch of my body. It’s just not natural!! 🙂
    Dude, you dress well. I loved complimenting you. The way you would receive them made me feel so good about myself.
    Thank you so much for having the courage to be yourself. This allowed me to be completely open around you, which is how you met the real Katie Barnes. No Travis, not rated R. “If I stay here…” Oh how I wish you would.
    http://thekatiedid.blogspot.ca/2008/06/to-my-t-dogg.html
    These things she wrote confirm what Jodi herself said on the stand. She didn’t always speak ill of Travis, in fact most of the time she was sticking up for him.

  280. He must have expected all of his girls to shave their body.

    Katie wrote this on the 10th and said her friend died a couple of days ago.

    This was on wikipedia and it will always baffle me, HOW no one knew on the 5th.

    Alexander had scheduled a trip to Cancun, Mexico with Marie (Mimi) Hall and others from Prepaid Legal Services. He had also missed an important conference call on the night of June 4, 2008 at 7pm. After Mimi and others could not reach Alexander, they went to his home to check on his welfare on June 9, 2008. His roommates indicated that he was out of town. After some searching, they located a key to Alexander’s master bedroom. Upon entry, they noticed large pools of blood at the hallway leading to the master bathroom, where his body was discovered in the shower.[16] He had been shot and repeatedly stabbed.

    After some searching they located a key to his bedroom?
    Something didn’t tell them days before there was something rank smelling in the house.
    The dog didn’t let them know by going crazy barking at where Travis was “supposed” to be?

    Gus said Jodi crying historically crying saying Travis was dead.

    Mimi was supposed to go to Cancun with him but didn’t hear in Cancun that he was dead?

    David Hughes said he got a text before going to Cancun saying Travis is dead, and said the trip wasn’t as fun and when they got there, they all disgussed Hughes text about Travis bieng dead and none of them called anyone that knew him asking what the hell happened? They waited until they got back from their trip?

    Really????

  281. So I noticed nothing is mentioned yet, that I saw, about the magazines/coded messages/witness tampering. Please do tell me your thoughts on that. Im interested in keeping my mind open and hearing others’ thoughts, even if right on point or far-fetched…still….very interesting. Thanks!

  283. I just want to say that as someone who has been in and is still in a controlling and manipulative relationship, I can understand.
    I’m not saying she’s justified. If JA killed TA she should be punished for that. Her actions are her own. I wish she had gotten some help to get out of what was clearly an unhealthy relationship before it came to that.
    I hear a lot of my story in what she says. Very few people have actually witnessed the mental abuse I have been through. And even the ones who have, wouldn’t realize it was an ongoing thing.

    To an outsider, I look like the crazy one. It’s unfortunate because I have been pushed to my limit many times and acted very childish. The same things we are seeing with Jodi. He knows what buttons to push and then just keeps pushing them. Jealousy, control, manipulation, name calling ect. And he knows exactly what he is doing and has a history of it in every relationship.
    I can relate to Jodi in the way that what she went through, she may not be able to prove. Many people probably did not see it. I can see her frustration on the stand and know where she’s coming from.

    I’m sure she was a beautiful bright girl like I was before some sick fuck got a hold of her.
    I question her moving the body too now that i read the comments. One time, we were joking about me moving a deer and I tried to drag my bf across a tile floor, which should have been easier than any other surface and I couldn’t move him 6 inches.
    A lot of this story is missing and will remain missing since TA is not here to question against her story.

  284. Not a comment on the case, but a comment on those actually hoping Jodi Arias gets the death penalty. Unless you’re a close friend/family member of Travis Alexander or Juan Martinez since he’s getting paid big bucks to prosecute the case, I honestly don’t understand why people are hoping Jodi gets sentenced to death.My guess is it’s not about Jodi Arias at all with them. Their issues go much deeper than anything she has done. IMO they’re hoping some of their own misery rubs off on Jodi and her friends/family.

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