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TA’s Criminal Record – Part 2

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So, the debate rolls on.

These are the court documents JVM was waving around on her show last night, in relation to TA’s criminal records as obtained from Riverside Superior Court…

(Click the links to launch the PDF document in a new window)

CR Document #1  —  CR Document #2  —  CR Document #3

*** TA ARREST REPORT (10 pages) ***

And here’s the video clip from last night featuring JVM, Beth Karas, a failed journalist & crime author and an equally clueless Jon Leiberman:

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I’m not too sure where Leiberman is going with his “slandering & libeling a dead person” BS. We exposed the actual court documents (on public record) from the Riverside website. Plain & simple.

Leiberman needs to go brush up on his knowledge of the law and quit being a lying asshole – or just stick with doing his voiceover gigs instead.

Leave your comments below…

Kudos to the Team Jodi members that made this happen.

SJ
Team Jodi

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  1. Our site is getting to HLN. They hate that they cannot control what evidence that is being put out. It is time for a Facebook Flood. If you not familiar with the term, it is when you inundate a facebook wall with post. So during the hours these HLN shows are on the air, we should show our support for Jodi by a facebook flood.
    You can see they have vilified Jodi and now they are vilify us. It is time that reaffirm our efforts.

    • i knew this would happen that they would blame the other brother to protect travis so jodi will get the DP

      • One way to prove this is to look up arrest records. He would have been arrested, there would be record of mug shot, finger prints, court appearance, etc.

        • The thing that bothers me about this, in regards to this site, is that we are supposed to be a people of intelligence, a group who fail to be swayed without damning evidence.

          In this situation, there is no Damning evidence proving it’s actually TA who was arrested. We only have letters, one being a citizens’ arrest.

          I think we all need to stop acting like the very people putting JA on trial and look at this objectively.

          • Pyromie,

            I couldn’t agree with you more.

            Folks, just a word from an old graybeard. We’re going a little overboard with this take the battle to them chatter.

            OK, so we’ve found a past record for battery. Everyone knows it now. The purpose of this site ought not to be to coordinate Facebook floods, or concoct names for people or any of that other insidious stuff.

            I thin we were doing a lot better when we were carrying out an intelligent analysis of the evidence and the law.

            Please let’s go back to a decent debate on the real issues.

            • That I agree with, Al. I don’t communicate with the hater sites because there’s no point.

              • Agree. This group seems to be made up of intelligent, educated, professional people. Lets dont do their fake fantasics.

          • I agree. If there is no mugshot, there is no actual proof that it wasn’t his brother. It could be possible. His brother had a record, the things listed on Travis’s sound similar to what was on his brothers.

            Additionally, the jokes on his myspace referencing parole could very well be jokes referencing Travis finding out one day that he was supposedly arrested, on parole, and owed fines.

            But just because this record may not be his, does not mean it was not self defense.

            • yea and the huff post said riverside would only release the mugshot to the prosecution?! So much for it being public information.

            • I assure you, if it were you or I, that arrest and subsequent case and guilty verdict was enough. We dont have to prove it isn’t him, they do. It is his name, his stats, his hometown. So, I can just say, if my past criminal history is brought up… NOT ME??

      • I have remained open minded through this trial. I always ask myself what if this was was me or my daughter before I form an opinion. I don’t think anyone should die. I also think she deserve a fair trial. Not to offend anyone but my question is, if this was Travis in the case in 2002 what does this mean for Jodi now? I am also puzzled about the ability to carry a dead body. I think we should focus on the things we know verses grabbing at things from 2002.

        • If this is his arrest record, it shows a past history of violence. Given that the case is about domestic violence, the record would speak about who he was.

          • Yes the case is about domestic violence but not relevant to Jodi or another female.

                • Yes, I agree with you. And if the arrest was for the real TA, then it would have been vital information. It would show that he had a hidden past with violence. Keep in mind, they made Jodi go back and tell about her boyfriends from the time she was 15, so yes, this would have been very big.

              • “[Travis] has never been arrested in Riverside County,” Deputy Alberto Martinez, of the Riverside County Sheriff’s Department, told HuffPost when he received the results. IS JUAN MARTINEZ KIN TO THAT DEPUTY? JUST ASKING..

              • JC,
                When I clicked on that Huffington post saying booking photo that Katie posted, it is a picture of President Obama. This is not a joke.

          • Agree with JC, it shows a history of violence. His friends wont tell it. I heard his boss said something aout it. What this does IMO is give her testimony backup. He wasnt a good Mormon Virgin who never hurt a soul.

      • Guys….if it wasn’t Travis that was arrested the files and records would have been DELETED!!! His court appearances etc wld have been mailed to address on lisence so he wld have KNOWN about it and he wld have had to go to court to prove it wasnt him….unless he was willing to take the rap for his brother, which I highly doubt!!!! there is noway he wldnt have known!!! Especially bc one of the charges is a Felony!!! He wld have been flaged with travel etc as well. he wld have been able to go to Mexio but not Canada…..he wld NEVER allow it if it wasnt him!!! even if it was his brother. it cld ruin his life!!,! The records are REAL!!!! Come on ppl…he’s got memories of his father chasing his mother with an Ax on his myspace page, he def had deep seated anger issues going on, that is why he became so heavily involved in the church….he was trying to heal himself!!! And Lets not FORGET, he told her she sounded like a 12 year old girl having an orgasim….sick sick sick!!! I’ve asked tons of guys about that and they were like NO WAY wld those words wld ever come out of my mouth….other words…but NOT That!!!

    • just went back to utube to see the mark ferman video again and its not the same one the left out the part about him explaining that some one else was there and how he said she is telling this confesson to flores and if you here her say this it was not there….. the one when she describes him on all flores and she is on the floor herself all that part is miss in the video

    • For the life of me, I am not sure why it offended HLN to the point that one of their talking heads mentions sueing for slander! A ligitimate question was brought forth for the public to see. Arent we all following this case because we want the FACTS? Those papers were pretty hard facts from public record. Now, if this had been an arrest on Jodi, HLN would be all over it, and we would be hearing about every night for a week on all there shows. How can people who are supposed to be professional get offended when someone brings public info to the publics knowledge??? For the life of me, I dont get this one. No one was trying to make TA look worse, IT WAS PUBLIC INFO!!!!! Come on people. And Im sorry, but if my brother stole my ID and got arrested in my name, I would work diligently to get the record corrected. I think the problem here is that the info this site found was better than any info HLN has come up with in a long time.

      • don’t u kno HLN sides with the offenders not the truth of the matter.. After all NG lost her license bc of violating the 6th amendment (right to a fair trial) LOL

  3. SJ,
    One of the members from here paid the $1 to get access to the additional info, someone from here posted the Youtube Video, which turned out to be true. Was it TA or his brother? Dont know yet but, The file was there, it did happen, JAII scooped the Media and ALL other sites! And they say we are crazy, no we want the truth. If we have to go get it ourselves. Someone from here sent that video to every media outlet they could. It had to come out. Nurmi has to know and lets see the Mug Shot. HLN, is not News, look at the video SJ posted above JVM, looks like rabid dog face. Why is she acting all crazy. Did they not hear TA tell JA she orgasimed likea 12 year old girl etc? He is not and was not a Saint. IMO, I feel it will come out, that it was indeed TA that was arrested. Can you imagine if it does and those 12 jurors put her to death and finding out about prood of his violence, on a peace officer no less. Correct me, Didnt a boss of his say Travis had anger issues. He was only human. Why wont they make a plea deal. Why insist on watching her die. What if he was beating on her and she is protecting him. A juror pointed out she was protecting him.

    • Hi Patty,

      I sent the initial Riverside website link (not the 21 page PDF) to a few of my media contacts over the weekend. It looks like they decided not to run with it and let HLN have it instead. All the media are checking this site daily anyway. It was bound to come out at some point. All we have right now is Shanna Hogan saying it was “someone else”. Yeah, right. That’s hardly proof. If anyone else has any other documents I can add to the site, just let me know.

      SJ
      Team Jodi

      • SJ and the team and fellow truth and justice seekers!

        I’ve been inundating all the facebook pages of HLN, JVM, NG, VP, JJ, IS, all of them with my petition since I started it. So I started a “hate campaign” against myself, ha! JeanCasarusRex actually responded DIRECTLY in a post, and nicely, so if we let even one of them live another day, I’d vote for Jean! This website,of course, is referenced in the petition, but I make it clear this is not my site, I am not the owner, blah,blah..And I try to convey that signing the petition is not an actual vote for or against Jodi, but against the coverage. Of course, many if not most of the signers, including myself, are supporters, and I do believe we can possibly affect not only this coverage but future coverage with our combined efforts. But this is where it starts…..:)

        My name is Sandra Webber, on facebook, and on my driver’s license, and library card, and yadda, yadda! I sucked at thinking I could remain “kinda” anonymous, though I started here with “Maggie” and I kinda like it:)

        Anyhoo…yes, WE HAVE TURNED THE TIDE! Congratulations! And never underestimate the power of one great idea, one righteous cause, and the “good kind of crazy”, as I like to remind folks whenever necessary!

        Oh my, lots of reading to do….:)

        http://www.change.org/petitions/trial-by-media-is-wrong-stop-the-spin-headline-news-hln-nancy-grace-jane-velez-mitchell-jean-casarez-vinnie-politan-dr-drew

        • Hey Maggie
          I visited “Sandra’s” FB page last week and thought you may be Sandra:) Love your page and your determination to see Justice served. Keep up the good work, but be mindful of your safety. The vile things I have seen on some of these sites, leads me to believe there are some pretty deranged people out there,who clearly do not have the ability to control themselves (and I’m not just talking about HLN hosts). I have actually thought about that in regard to the safety of Jodi’s lawyers etc. as well.
          Keep up the good work and know that I support your efforts.

          • I’m very concerned for the 12 people who will decide this case in the end….THEY have to live in that town…why haven’t they sequestered them again? With all the crazy’s in the courtroom every day…..Have we not learned anything from FLA.

            • Jury members were selected from the entire county. The population in Maricopa County is ginormous … almost 4 million people. The only way the public will know if someone was a juror on Jodi’s case is if the person willingly speaks to the media, tells friends or if the Judge allows the names to be released to the public. IIRC, the Judge in Casey Anthony’s case sealed the names for 3 (or was it 6) months.

          • Thanks, TR! Oh yes, I am aware of the level of hatred. Funny thing is, it makes me even more determined! I’ve been rather like this most of my life, ha! I don’t mind going against the mainstream. And this is not my first rodeo, ha! But I do think it’s my biggest to date!:) I wouldn’t mind if more “came out of the closet” so to speak, but I understand. You know they say there’s safety in numbers! And also, Florida has some very liberal, whacky gun/weapons laws, that well….I’ll just leave that for now:)

            Thought for the Day:

            “WHY SHOULD WE BELIEVE YOU NOW?????”

            http://www.change.org/petitions/trial-by-media-is-wrong-stop-the-spin-headline-news-hln-nancy-grace-jane-velez-mitchell-jean-casarez-vinnie-politan-dr-drew

            • Hi Maggie,

              Just wanted to let you know you are not alone. I have been visiting the main FB hate page (Justice for Travis, I think) and posting little bits here and there like; Only sick minds are crying for death, NG is a loudmouth who talks over others because if the truth comes out, she looks worse and I even posted a link to the Utube video of the Mormons killing Mormons thing (with no comments). Not trying to start an argument – but it does get some thinking while others actually stop for a minute. Thanks for posting, too. I will stand by you if I see you in the hate rooms. 🙂

        • Hi Maggie,
          i’m kinda like you in the aspect of going onto the hate sites and making comments as much as I can. I figure with all you on here making the case for Jodi, I try to convince the “others” to wake up and see whats really happening here.
          For me, I use twitter more than anything, usually JVM and Dr. Drew. There is no hope for Nasty Grace, so I gave up there. I asked her last night to please be objective about the arrest warrant, provide facts and no theatrics. It obviously didn’t work….then that Liberman guy, wtf…he looks like he’s high on something. I’m finding out more and more their “experts” are actually misfits that can’t find jobs in the real world, so they throw them on there to keep them employed. LMAO
          Anyway, you all keep up the good fight here. your doing great. I’ll keep up my hit and run assaults on twitter! lmao!!!

        • hey Maggie,we´re on the same FB support page(aha yeah ,you´re Sandra) I saw that you posted the petition,I tried uploading myself pretty much around the time you posted it here on that same FB group but my post was being monitored forever and I see that eventually it wasnt permitted.dont know why…maybe because I dont comment there often…luckily,they let yours be uploaded.

      • I sent the Link and also the Remarks on My Space to Geraldo and Greta and also Fox News Tips.
        I think that they really are so obviously upset. This IS NOT the Brothers record, I don’t buy it. I am sure that lots of Money is behind this Bashing of Jodi Arias by the Media, I saw a few seconds of the Jane lady couldn’t watch it. But I asked my Mom about the Sam Shepard case it was before I was born, The Media was so outrageous that When F Lee Bailey was able to free Dr.Shepard The Fugitive was based on that case. I think everyone here should write to Gerry Spence & others because lets say Jodi had more support and resources Like Dr.Henry Lee or someone like Bailey who is very aggressive with the Media and great at getting evidence.

      • Thanks SJ,
        Look, in the beginning it was fake, then not him, then stolen identity (Some man) now it is the brother. Come on. They need to get it straight, What a bunch of liars. No 1 sin is greater than the other 9. Look, nobody in any parts of the media seem to want to believe anything but that TA was a sweet 30 year old Virgin who wouldn’t hurt a fly. They dont think that a 200 lb BIG man attacking a small woman in heat of passion, saying he was gonna KILL her deserves any Justice. What Jodi did to him was heinous, she had to have lost it. She had to have been scared to death and just snapped. But, unfortunately for both, it happened and now it should be fairly sorted out. Saying only she is evil and NOT giving her a fair shot is not Justice. The DP for anyone is just a heinous to me, as it is a celbration of sorts and revenge. No no no. You tried and I know SJ, you wont stop. I v=bring as much info as I can to this site. I also have a Pro Travis site that is, believe it or not, fair and impartial and doesnt allow abuse. They have good info and are really beginning to question what was once, in their minds unquestionable. Peace.

      • Patty I do not see on there where Travis signed anything? I see a police officer’s signature and a complainants signature only? Am I missing something?

        • i say defendant sig on something, i will go back and take picture. is it a moot point now? Considering it is the brothers mug shot? look, IMO If Dennis had other convictions etc, when They did the arrest in 2002 and finger prints, did they not get a match then? OH MY GOSH, so Travis, OCD Travis said, no problem brother, “I forgive you”. The record was NOT expunged. We got it here this very month 2013. Fishy.

    • Oh, come on. Of course it was Travis. There is no way anybody else was impersonating him.

      • Travis’ brother is claiming that he gave Travis’ name when the brother was arrested. No idea if that’s true or not. The brother claims that he ordered the mugshot yesterday and that the records dept will only send it to JM.

        I don’t know if there will be a definitive answer to this. A definitive answer requires mugshot or finger print comparison.

        I say definitive as in concrete evidence, not as a criticism to comments. Honest!

        Question is whether the mugshot will be released or not. I don’t know what the lawyers will do with this criminal record. I am certain that they will have to confirm the mugshot and/or finger prints in order for both the state and defense to not give vigorous objections to the use of the criminal record.

        Another question is whether the media or anyone else can get the mugshot while the trial is ongoing. It is a public record, but the court could force the mugshot to be sealed until the trial is over. Just thinking out loud on this one.

        These records are on hell of a find!

        • Also Guys lets not forget that TA’s sister is a police officer in Riverside Co Calif. Coincidence? she has access to ALL those records. and can change them to further protect her bro. Cant remember her name but it is not the one that spoke to JVM its the short one w/ black hair…

    • at least there is reasonable doubt now need to go to the store he worked at or look up work record and find out if he worked there

  4. Shanna Hogan says “Its NOT about Travis Alexander.”
    Who the hell is it about then, you stupid b*tch? Seriously.
    Who is it about. If he wasnt dead, she would have to jump on another bandwagon and lie about someone else to sell a book.
    ALSO. IS this book even for sale yet? The trial isnt over… so what… is there a “Choose your own ending?” What the hell?
    The next person that refers to that trash writing baboons ass as a Journalist… should be stoned.

    • Shamma Wannabeawriter is no journalist.

      Just another ignorant person trying to make money off of other people…she should fit in with the PPL people just fine.

    • True that Shan.
      Its going to be a CHOOSE YOUR OWN ADVENTURE book.
      I always “cheated” anyway…

    • Shanna Hogan has no future as a crime writer, and it is a shame she bought all of the bullshit Travis’s friends were peddling.

      Even Maureen Maher of CBS didn’t fall completely for the b.s. when she first reported on the Arias case back in 2009.

      • I would not buy ut either. What about If I went out n write a booknabout this case, but actually write about the TRUTH??! Would the haters buy it??!! I thk so, I thk they’ll want to read… lol and would I be hated? Would I be in danger?

        Just a thought, if that asshole can write about “hearsay” any of us can!!!
        Book Title: “The Perfect Mormon” ; )

        • Nurmi may be holding on to the Travis’s records , and he’s gonna pull them out at the right time…I can’t wait :))

          • I’m also hoping he will have the best expert in the country testify about about Rape and Violence. I know I’m like a dog with a bone, and won’t let go of this, but I still say his Rape comments in the taped phone call shows his propensity for voilence. If I had the money, I’d pay for the witness myself. LOL

      • i read an excerpt that was posted here and honestly that woman’s writing style seems more ppropriate for cheap novels rather than crime books!

    • Ya she is on HLN”S view that is the exact same thing they say an the HATERS too …….Travis is not on TRIAL JODI IS. I am sorry but Travis is in a way as Jodi is claiming Self Defense so when the PUBLIC friends of PPL an LDS are making statements that TRAVIS was a VIRGIN TRAVIS was PERFECT pretty much an JODI was a WHORE pretty much is what they say about them both. I am afraid Yes TRAVIS is on trial also. Problem is no MORMON woman is going to tell the TRUTH about it not now or ever FORNICATION is reason to excommunicate them from that congregation so why would they? That is their LIFE !

      • agree Rhonda!sorry to all the haters but if Jodi is on trial it is a direct outcome and result of Travis’ behaviour so yeah in a way he is on trial too,at least the aspects of his personality that led the defendant to where she stands now.

    • I feel sorry for Jodi she endured so much pain heartache embarrassment humiliation abused in EVERY WAY. she was used by TA and is now being made to look like she is the evil one. NOT!!! TA was the Monster & his family /friends can say all they want to that he was this wonderful amazing awesome person. but they don;t have a clue as to what went on behind his closed doors or how he treated Jodi. And her PAST with other men has NOTHING to do with her relationship with THIS MONSTER. SO what if she had many men be4 him. that doesn’t make her a whore or a slut. what was HE??? A “STUD” because he had many women. No he didnt deserve to die in this manner but it was him or her…she had no choice.

  5. If it wasn’t him, if someone stole his I.D. Etc those court records would have been destroyed. Tickets etc wld have been sent to Travis house and he wld have known about it and he wld have went to court to protest it. The arresting officer wld have identified him as “NOT the perpetrator” and the documents wld have been destroyed along with any record!!! So BULLSHIT is wasn’t him!!! That is his arrest record!!!

    • Travis fingerprints and his criminal fingerprinting would confirm his arrest. Also, find the person he assaulted and ask if this is the same Travis.

      • Of course. These “friends” of Travis just need to shut up and realize their friend was a flawed individual with many good traits.

        • The records clearly show whoever it was plead during guilty during video arraignment, Thus the only way an arresting officer would make a statement to the court would be via an appeal.

    • Dirty Tricks by the Cult that appears nightly on trash TV yes they are soooo Religious the same people that said Travis was a Virgin, Now there new story is she introduce him to Sex, The media is more against her then Hitler??? whats up. Look at the Mormon Murders book, thats very telling maybe this would expose the scammy business that they all be;long to.

    • The ONLY way his brother could pull something like that off would be if neither he nor Travis had ever been fingerprinted before the incident and the brother simply didn’t have ID on him and just gave the arresting officer Travis’ name and birthday/license number. The system is not fool proof, there are ways for him to undetected even if he’s printed and photographed. However, it’s a one time deal, obviously.

      Now, there’s just one problem with this story and that is Shanna says, “Travis was notified that he had served time in jail blah blah yadda bullshit bullshit and they were able to straighten things out and have proof of such” This is a loose quote, of course. I’ll tell you the problem by sharing an experience I had…..hold on to your hats folks!

      So, during my time as a heroin addict, I would steal to support my habit. I would also steal clothes because we eventually became homeless and they don’t have laundering facilities free of charge. So, one of the times I stole some jeans, I accidentally left my driver’s license in the back pocket of my old jeans, which, were left on the rack in place of the new jeans I was leaving the store in. They were cute jeans but not cute enough to be worth the hassle that would come from this as Karma decided to bend me over and go all TA on my ass. Sorry, that was inappropriate.

      I went about my life completely unaware of where I left my license until I started staying at my (then) husband’s mom’s house and received a few calls there from random people I had lived with or associated with in the past. They all had the same story, “Krystal, I don’t know what you did but you did it BIG this time. Like, FBI big! 2 agents came by (or called) looking for you and they knew everything about you! You may want to call them.” Uhhh…yeah, sure, as soon as I can get my stomach out of my asshole I’ll do that. Riiiiiigggghhhtttt. I was TERRIFIED. WTF did the FBI want with me? I’m small time crook! I steal DVD’s for heroin money and the occasional pair of jeans! I don’t rob people with weapons or assault anyone. I rob big corporations and never over $500 worth! Is the FBI that fucking bored?

      That’s when I receive a call from a Detective from Downey Police Department and an agent from the FBI. Yay! A conference call! Peachy. For the next half an hour I collected flies in my mouth as it hung gaping, my jaw on the floor, as these two men proceed to remind me of every move I’ve made since birth just about. What a bunch of stalkers, these guys were! Then, they started telling me about things even I didn’t know about myself. Like, how I rented a car from Downey and used that car to steal checks from an old lady and go on a splendid shopping spree then, when her account was depleted, I suddenly developed computer skills that allowed me to print checks in my name and spend those too! The total cost amounted to close to $12K! Ooooh! Now, I see why you guys are so anxious to meet me! Here I thought rumor of my awesomeness had reached you and you simply wanted to bask in it.

      As if this wasn’t enough to give me a coronary, they kept on with their tomfoolery and told me I decided to ditch the rental car instead of return it and then thought better of ditching it and decided to STRIP the car and sell the parts. I’m quite the opportunist, in case you couldn’t tell. When they finished, silently waiting for me to say, “Okay, guys, you got me!” I could think of only one thing to do. Well, two things but I was already soiling myself as they spoke. So, I said, ‘You guys are retarded. You know my MO, you have my records in front of you. Obviously, you have my license and photo too. Surely there is video of the car rental or any of the purchases? It’s not me. I’m small time guys. I steal DVD’s not cars. If I write a bad check, it’s on my own account and, as you can see from my records, i did that a long time ago. I still have 5 years before I can even get another checking account due to check systems. THIS IS NOT ME. ”

      They told me to go to my local PD and they would have someone there identify me to see if I fit the description of the person captured on video renting the car. I did just that and whattayaknow? NOT ME. It took about 3 months to fix my credit for the bounced checks but the charges came off of my record immediately. A criminal records search of myself shows nothing indicating this ever happened. I thought, I hope this never happens again. I mean, what are the chances? When you’re me, as it would turn out, the chances are pretty good. Ready? Here goes….

      It’s 2003, I’m fresh out of jail after serving 18 days hard time and clean off of Heroin after 4 years. My life is on the up and I’m even pregnant. 7 months, to be exact. I still have legal issues and I’m on probation but I’m not doing anything bad anymore. The last time I saw a judge he told me if he saw me in that court room for shoplifting from one more damn Wal mart, Kmart, or Target he would throw me in jail, no questions asked. I took him to be serious in his threats and stayed the hell away from all three. One day, after calling to make sure my payments for my cases had gone through, I was alerted to a bench warrant I had out for my arrest. WHHHAAAAA?! I go online and search my name and sure enough, there it is right next to all of my other offenses. The charges; shoplifting petty theft from Wal mart and assault with a deadly weapon. HOLY FUCKING SHIT!!!! If it wasn’t for the baby occupying my uterus, my stomach wouldn’t have just hit my asshole reading that, it would have blown right through it!

      I made a bunch of calls, threw up a bit, and made some more calls. I found out my court date to be arraigned on my FTA bench warrant and I”m told by a public defender I have to appear, he can’t stand in for me, because the Judge has to see for himself that I am not the girl in the booking photo. Who, by the way, was named Crystal Shinque Johnson. I was Krystal Gayle Johnston. She was 45. I was 23. Oh, and did I mention I’m white and she’s African American? I prepared to go to court the next week and, day of court, I’m staring at the name of the Pro Tem who is presiding over today’s hearings. I almost birthed my baby right there because this was the judge who told me no questions asked. And, remember, I’m infamous for my efforts in Walmart. She was busted in Walmart. So there I am, standing in front of Honorable Grumpy Face listening as he reads my name, only to stop midway through my last name and look up in disbelief at me. His thick unruly eyebrows snap together in a menacing furrow. “YOU AGAIN?” he bellows. At this point, I did pee a little. I’m not going to lie. “Didn’t I tell you the next time you stood before me for shoplifting you would be incarcerated no matter what your excuse was?” This is when I hear the clinking of the hand cuffs dangling from the Bailiffs belt as he moves into position behind me. My wrists start burning. I pee a tiny bit more. Suddenly, I realize if I’m incarcerated and I have my baby behind bars, she goes to the state and it’s incredibly difficult to get your baby out of the system. Finally, it all becomes too much and I cry out “IT’S NOT ME!” I follow this with a meek and apologetic, “Your honor, it’s not me.” It was a risky move but one I had no choice in making if I wanted to give birth freely and see my baby when I was done. He looked at the booking photo, cleared the charges, and congratulated me on getting my shit together. A criminal background check will show nothing to indicate this ever happened.

      So, short story way too long, my point is this; I’ve had two separate incidents occur where my name has been either stolen or mistaken and the people responsible do terrible things with this new identity of theirs. You know, cause it would totally kill them to pay a bill off or two, right? It’s the least they could do, really. In both cases, crimes were committed of equal or greater severity to those committed by Travis or this “brother” of his and as soon as I faced a Judge to prove my innocence, the charges were gone from my record immediately. I had the FBI WANTING ME! All charges and record of it gone. Because, you see, that’s how it works when you are wrongfully charged, convicted and I’m assuming sentenced for something you truly didn’t do. If, in fact, you really do straighten it out as Shanna media Whoregan claims Travis did and even says there is proof of.

      Did I mention I live in Riverside County and this is the County where the charges were brought against me? Well, I do and it is. I live in Hemet, about 25 miles from where Travis grew up.

      In conclusion, this was not Travis’ brother using his ID. Unless, of course, Travis never came forward to say it was mistaken or stolen identity to protect his brother from more charges. Which, I can see Travis doing. However, that’s not what’s being said, now is it?

      Okay, I’m done….for now. Sorry for the friggin book! Good job, by the way, TEAM JODI slueths who got the records in circulation among the media. I have never been prouder to post on a site with such fine people as all of you. Okay, NOW, I’m done. For realz.

      • Krystal

        Don’t be sorry for the book. It was awesome. You ever thought of writing. This is a great piece of writing. Cogent, concise, perfect composition, great flow.

        Screw the ID theft nonsense. Your prose was just a pleasure to read. You have a talent.

        That was just great. Give it a whirl lady. Write a book. You’re writing reminds me of Robert Parker, the guy who wrote the Spenser novels, or Elmore Leonard. A conversationalist style.

        Awesome.

      • I second what Al said…and further state that you should write Picture Imperfect: The Truer Story of Jodi Arias and Travis Alexander. We need it.

            • I’m with ALL of the above. Excellent writing. I was riveted to my seat. What a story you have girl!

      • Ha ha – that was fun to ready (but what happened to you sucked!!!). I am glad you are okay and “clean.” And thank you for shedding quite a big light onto the scenario of TA and bro.

      • Krystal,
        I wanted to tell you how much I liked your post, and how I really love how you have so eloquently added humor and humanness to what surely was a hard time in your life. I am a former addict as well, and I try to look back on those days and remember the funny stuff, even though alot of it was horrible, it’s easier to deal with for me if I try to find the humor in my crazy escapades. I am happy you have your life together and agree with the others, you write very well!:)

      • Great Story on so many Levels I don’t believe either but if a cover up to that magnitude is allowable then its hopeless. Turned on Dr.Drew few seconds he is the worst really bad very sexist horrible comments the same Groupie Friends of Travis

      • WOW!! Thank you all so much for the kind words in regards to my writing abilities! Seriously, I’m not the most confident person so I was extremely nervous about posting that novel of a comment, fearing I would catch shit for it. After all, this site is about Jodi and I here I took up 2 feet of comment thread talking about myself. After spending an hour and a half just trying to find my dang post in the first place, choking on the anxiety I felt over not knowing what comments awaited me, I was beyond shocked as I read them. I had to read each one twice, however, as the tears stinging the back of my eyelids that finally carried out their threat to spill over made it difficult to see. I keep a blog on my FB page in the notes section and I have friends/family who tell me I should write a book but I always told them my writing is only what it is to them because they have a face, voice, and knowledge of me to go with the text so they can envision my stories. I tell them, if I were to write for strangers, the reviews would hardly be raving. So, again, thank you and….just….wow.

        As for writing a book, I love the titles, by the way, I actually have a short story type piece in the works that I started for this website. I titled it ‘Double Exposure’ and it was going to be my take on everything I knew about this case so far. I really feel like my theories are good and they even hold water. In my opinion, they hold water better than the prosecution’s take on things. Which, I guess isn’t saying much when one considers how a bottomless bucket holds more water than the prosecution’s story. But, I digress, as usual.

        I threw this post about my own experience with identity mishap out there to see how it was received and was going to decide on whether or not I finished Double Exposure and posted it here. Some of my thoughts are radical and I would hate to take a hit to the little self esteem I have in my possession over a dead guy and a woman I’ve never met nor will meet. But, as Travis said, “why not live life to the fullest?” It’s a good point.

        I’m curious to see how my next post is received. If it’s accurate enough and you all like it, maybe I’ll try to submit it somewhere. Who knows? I may just email it to HLN or Shanna Hogan.

      • Krystal, your true self exists whether you acknowledge it or not. It is often buried under fear and learned behavior. When we recognize our power, our luminosity, and our divinity, we cannot help but live authentic lives of appreciation, potential, fulfillment, and grace. Your thoughts and feelings are more than likely expressions of your true self. Though you may have learned quickly that to speak and act in a certain fashion would win others’ approval, you understood innately that you were no ordinary being. You may think that you are not “the most confident person” however your words just don’t support this. Rediscovering who you are takes time and also courage.

        You are right stating that this page is in support of Jodi and the bottomless bucket does indeed hold more water than the prosecutions’ story and I too disagree. Without restating my comments on this trial you can find them on the https://jodiariasisinnocent.com/about-us-jodi-arias-support-site-jodi-arias-innocent/#comment-24996 support page.

        To close my comments to you, I too feel unwavering sympathy for both Jodi and Travis, and the end result of this highly dysfunctional relationship. No one wins in this case and the extreme abuse and unfair judgment of Jodi, before all necessary testimony is presented, does nothing but cause more pain for all involved. Jodi’s defense team seem to be doing a fine job and my hope is that she gets the fair trial she is entitled to.

    • Sometimes high school annuals have seniors sign their signature under their pictures or maybe someone has an annual he signed,

      • Let’s all take a deep breath here…pls. I have always thought that there was more to this story. Things just do not add up. I also have been berated by friends and family for what I think. But I hold strong in my belief.

        I honestly feel that there are news investigators out there that are digging into this. I’m not pro Fox News but I have a feeling that someone from that network is doing some investigating on this if Greta herself isn’t. I do not think she would put herself out there if she didn’t feel there was something that just didn’t smell right.

        I am of mind that it was brought up in one of the proceedings in the judges chambers and found not admissible. I am also of mind that HLN will take a BIG hit from this trial in the end. Not in a positive way….

        I think that Travis’s family should be off limits. They have had to endure more then most of us could if it were our brother. His friends are another story!!!!! They are using Travis death for personal gain…$$$$$$$

        I’m very concerned for the 12 people that will ultimately have to make the decision of Jodie’s fate. If they come back with anything but the DP what will their lives be like? Look at what happened in FLA.

        I do believe it is Travis’s arrest record. I do not believe for one minute that Jodie could have done this alone…….

        Keep up the great work……the truth will prevail and thank you for this site…..

  7. I think the think that has bothered me the absolute worse about Travis is the text message or vm ( cant remember which) where Travis said “there were many times you were miserable and I raped you”. Im sorry folks, that is a SERIOUS statement!!!! I dont understand how all these reporters can get on TV and report that Jodi has a cold sore on her mouth, but convienently not report this! Rape is rape is rape. It is NEVER ok!! HLN is an embarrassment to true journalist. Nancy Dis-Grace constantly reports false info on this case. For instance, even after it was established that Jodi had dyed her hair months prior, Nancy got on here drama fest show saying what woman, after the love of her life is killed goes and gets her hair done? And then, of course, there is a debate did Jodi have two gas cans or three. Nancy said something to the effect of, Who drives around with 5 or 6 gas cans in their car. Its subtle, but if you listen you will constantly catch her inflating the facts. Very sad.

    • Michele-
      I have posted on the RAPE several times on this site. I have also emailed NG and Dr. Drew. They will never discuss it, as it won’t bring the ratings and revenue, they are getting from the uninformed folks that are watching them. I have also posted on several FB sites and have been met with some really deranged remarks.

      Thank you for bringing this up again! I think it is being made clearer by the day, that Travis was indeed a dangerous and violent man, no matter what his supporters say.

      Let’s continue to remind everyone that Rape in any form is Violence. Maybe one of the networks here will pick that up and start getting the truth out…..wow am I an eternal optimist or what??? LOL

      • TR, or anyone else, would you post the rape info here…verbatim….if you can find it, and have time to go to the effort?

        We all must be very careful (well not “must”, but it would be helpful overall, I think:) , if we continue to post the FACTS, straight from the horse’s or ass’ mouth, whichever applies! Of course, then everyone is free to speculate. Although I firmly believe, the FACTS speak for themselves, especially as we are establishing a PATTERN of LYING, which no one has established Jodi EVER having…except for to 48 hours…which was her not-so-brilliant-attempt to save her life and likely her family’s too! And which sadly has backfired and put her in her current position!

        QUOTE OF THE DAY: “WHY SHOULD WE BELIEVE YOU NOW?”

        http://www.change.org/petitions/trial-by-media-is-wrong-stop-the-spin-headline-news-hln-nancy-grace-jane-velez-mitchell-jean-casarez-vinnie-politan-dr-drew

          • SJ
            Thanks. Could you also find the part of the phone call where he tells Jodi that when she was miserable, he raped her. This is the part that I have been referring to.

            Thanks a Bunch.

          • sj the vido of travis kicking the one guy on the floor and stealing his money from his pocket and giving it to the girl sitting on the couch. two points the kicking (((( JODI ))) and stealing all cough on tape for all to see.

        • Maggie-
          My posts have all related to the taped phone call already in evidence in this trial, where Travis tells Jodi that: when she is miserable, he raped her. My point has always been, that no matter if the victim sees it as rape, the perpetrator of the Rape sees it as such. Not sure why I would need to be careful about this subject as it is already out there and admitted in Court.

          My efforts have been in an attempt to get the public to see the truth about Rape and Violence. Lots of Social Science, and Psycholgy researh out there on this topic. Much done by researchers actually interviewing Rapists. The remarks I have seen on the “other” sites, as well as on this site, have shown me just how much our society does not understand Rape, but continues to blame the victim. (ie: people saying such crap as: Jodi testified he didn’t rape her in the legal sense etc.) For goodness sake, we knew about this topic in the 80’s. My University actually made it part of the Freshman Orientation. I am saddened at the lack of knowledge that still persits.

          Many young women never come forward in situations of date/partner rape, because of the hell they will go through by the uninformed. This trial, in my humble opinion, has many social implications in addition to the fact that a young woman’s life is on the line.

          I think the criminal record that has been uncovered, is now the second thing that verifies TA’s propensity toward violence. His own admission of Rape on the tape, is in my mind the first. Clear evidence that Jodi had to defend herself against violence! Maybe this is why the Travis camp is now saying that it wasn’t Travis on the phone.

          THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE.

          • Yes TR and SJ, and others,

            I have been cutting and pasting for the last few weeks many of the very intelligent, thoughtful, rational, fact-based posts here, – I have about 60 pages now!

            This is a MAJOR point and those so-called domestic violence experts on HLN – Tonya Young Williams and others – should be tarred and feathered! OH but wait, would that be considered abusive? I guess not, if you’re a Travessite!:)

            I have a little ADD myself (so sue me, ha:) and the great ideas come at a fever pitch sometimes, but he organizing is well….sometimes lagging, ha! Certainly, there is so much opportunity for publishing the rational, compassionate, research based side of this issue and more.

            As for being careful, I am all about adding to the petition and posting on facebook, but I just don’t want to pull the trigger, so to speak, before the gun is fully loaded…oh dear…the puns….

            So yes, everyone, please organize your thoughts and observations and maybe others with organizational, web skills can put them together. I have some of that skill, but quite frankly, I’m overwhelmed at the moment!

            So, onward my friends…:) OH, but is’t this funny…

            Jerry Riewer Has a degree from JSU in communication, english….and can’t read. She should demand her money back.
            28 minutes ago · Like

            Sandra Webber Ha, ha, Jerry! That’s funny! I”m going to include your observations in my scrapbook! Have a lovely day!
            23 minutes ago · Like

            Sandra Webber And then I’m going to punt you to the curb, like anyone else that has nothing of any substance to say…I don’t mind insults if there’s substance attached, though, FYI….but don’t make me look for it…OH heck, I’ll give you 5 minutes to apologize….k?
            21 minutes ago · Like

            Beverly Pappas Travis is not on trial. Jodie is the one who stabbed him 29 times and shot him. She is an evil conniving person. There are many shop lifters in this world. Mothers together stealing but they aren’t driving 1000 miles to go out of their way to see someone who they claim are abusive and the stab them 29 times and shoot them. You are one sick person and maybe you and Jodie should live together in the same sell. They do have bunks.
            19 minutes ago · Like

            Sandra Webber Beverly, take a breath, dear. There is not a fiber in my body that wants to disparage a dead person, Saint or not, however, the venomous slander that has been fueled by HLN and Travis’ so-called “friends”, the ones who didn’t bother to look for him for 5 days (not a text, e-mail, nadda from him and no “alarms”…give me a break!) have brought many of us to this point. Additionally,those who live in glass houses should not throw boulders from high atop a mountain top…of deceit and more…Have a lovely day, Beverly!

            http://www.change.org/petitions/trial-by-media-is-wrong-stop-the-spin-headline-news-hln-nancy-grace-jane-velez-mitchell-jean-casarez-vinnie-politan-dr-drew

            • seems to me that Mark Z. from Facebook, would not want his social media site to become a place for vileness and hate. wonder what they are doing to stop this crap?

      • I actually berated what appeared to be an older woman on another site for saying that TA just loved having sex with Jodi and there is nothing wrong with that. I am a victim of abuse from a SA (sex addict) and that just pissed me off. I told her (and the rest of the forum) that rape is NEVER okay, being anally raped is not okay (if you listen to Jodi’s actual words, she didn’t say she enjoyed it – she said it was better than the alternative) and talking about a 12-year-old virgin’s first orgasm is NOT part of normal sex and quit pretending it is.

        Of course my post was answered with at least one “awww poor victim woman, wah wah” which shows that our country and people still hate women who are abused. There are too many young women being hurt out there to let this rape thing go unnoticed. I cannot help but wonder why the family and media are all so willing to cover up this aspect of TA. This is not speculation, folks, this is from his own mouth! If I were in charge of the church he went to I would be starting an investigation into ALL young women and children of the church to see if there are any improprieties then or even now!

        • And this is exactly what is going on here cindyp.

          Don’t you folks know the rules in 2013 in the USA? It’s okay for Travis to be a dog and have rape fantasies. It’s okay for him to sleep around and if he finds some girl willing to act any of them out with him, or allow him to act them out on her without putting up too much of a fight, well, she’s a whore anyway. She’s not marriage material, so what the hell. That’s all just what guys do, don’t you know? And those slutty whorish girls let them. So, what’s the big deal?

          Girls, on the other hand, well, they are supposed to remain virginal until some guy is gracious enough to marry them. And then, if that guy she marries slaps her around a little bit or continues to “get some” on the side with all those whores, well, what’s the harm in that really? Women get the reward of a husband, his money, and kids. What else does a stupid bitch of a woman want?

            • It’s as if we’re stuck in 1913, I swear. A hundred years has passed, but people still have that mentality.

        • Absolutely correct cindyp. I haven’t spoken about how the Church should be investigating, but you are absolutely correct. There are some very sick and evil people out there who relish saying vile and dispicable things, and do so with impunity because they are on the internet. I don’t go to those sites, because one cannot be rational with irrational people. Let’s face it, if they had a rational thought they would be on this site. I am sorry that you had to endure that abuse, and don’t let these vile creatures revictimize you.

    • Me Too that Rape comment really struck me as very sick out and all the Hypocrites Gloria the ambulance chaser who I always hated made excuses Gloria thinks that’s normal, I am no fan of Fox News or any stations right left but Greta was actually pretty good about this. Very sharp no one brings 2 weapons to a murder. When Furhman said the gun didn’t go off and she went to get a knife Greta said who goes to get another weapon, I don’t see it she could just shoot him again, She hinted strongly there was more to the story and more then 1 person involved.Greta said she believes there was more then 1 person involved.

      • Laughable, if it weren’t so serious. Just shows me they are watching this site! They are working overtime to discredit the truth, so they can insure ratings, and lots of money in their pockets. The love of money is the root of all evil! Gloria and the rest should be ashamed of themselves, but I suppose you need a conscience for that.

        • Gloria is a criminal when people think she is an advocate I laugh she is a media whore money hungry hypocrite that thinks date rape is OK. She is so stupid and trashy. She has defended people who abused their wives follow the money she has absolutely NO MORALS.

    • I so agree ! that statement really shows how he was. Who talks like that? A man that likes to have total control he does not care whether you are tired or sick or maybe just don’t feel like it at the moment but thinks it is ok to RAPE you an see that you are miserable? that is a sick twisted person.

      Hardly anyone wants to see or hear that statement it seems. They come back with Jodi Loved it she said she did. I heard her say she loved it sometimes of course. But every time was not enjoyable is how I understood that but she went along to calm his attitude for the moment.

    • This to me says it all!! Rape, from his own mouth, I had to RAPE you when you were miserable. Nurmi, did you hear that? If someone did that to me, Even if I never said a word. Most rapes go unreported. I agree, I agree, I agree. Look someone rapes me, if my son, ex husband or friends didnt kill him, I would. That is so humiliating. She didnt say yes to that. He said, When you were miserable, I had to Rape you. Lord Help Jodi. Please Jurors, listen, look at her. See what has happened to her. She has had many breakups, men have cheated on her… They are still alive. This woman, call her a slut (I dont think so, if Travis wanted to be celibate, she would have too) She is NOT a Saint, she did a horrible thing. I believe she did it out of fear first, she snapped and then got angry. Her actions speak volumes. She mutilated him. Why when a gunshot would have worked. Why not lie in wait? I believe after the fog cleared and she was still in that house, she was like OMGosh what have I done. She tried to clean uo, she tried to cover up once she left the house, she tried to lie and everything to cover what she had done. So awful in her mind. So horrendous to her own self but, she realised a few years after. I did this and here is why. The family had the opportunity to avoid all this scandal coming out about Travis and now THEM. The lies and cover up. Yes Travis is on trial here also, he wasn’t just the victim, he was the collateral damage that occurred when one woman fought back and said NO MORE. Would we even be here had he killed her? Doubtful, he would have said she stalked me (a lie) she was a whore and seduced me (lie) So, if they think they can get away with killing her for defending her self. That nobody would want Justice for Jodi, they are wrong. She does not deserve the DP. They all know this.

  8. Well, when I first started looking at this case, I thought wow JA must really be crazy. So I started researching and watchong the proceedings. Then I went to something doesn’t sound right here. Then I thought maybe crime of passion, then I listened more, researched more, watched more. Then I started to see how this could be self-defense. Now I’m at the point that I feel she’s is being railroaded. The prosecution evidence of premed, which is made up-hair color change that in reality never happened, gas can purchase that never really happened, is really making me wonder about the gun. On the autopsy report it says the gunshot entrance wound is 1/8 th inch in diameter. I got a 22 caliber bullet and a 25 caliber bullet and measured. A 22 could make the 1/8 inch hole, but the 25 is slightly larger than that. So how does a bullet that is larger than 1/8 inches in diameter make a smaller hole? I don’t know any thing about guns, so I don’t even know if there are 22 semiauto’s out there. So I have confidence in this group. Can a 25 make a hole of 1/8 of an inch?

    • I don’t know the answer to that, but they did find a casing inscribed as a .25 caliber.

      That is a good question, maybe someone who knows about gunshot wounds will chime in.

    • 25 caliber semi-automatic is lot rarer than a revolver. Semi-automatic is the only gun that kicks the shells out. The revolver does not. A miss-fire can happen if your ammo is more than a year old, ask any cop. As far as the bullet and the hole it made. Depending on the grain of black powder, did it have metal jack, and the distance it was shot could change the size of the hole. Also, when the body decompose the skin starts retracting and could cause the hole size to stretch. The key would be to verify the bullet in the body.

      • What I’m wondering is was TA shot with a 22, and when LE found out that a 25 was stolen, did their story change to make JA look more guilty?

    • A simple question is it 1/8 inch diameter or 1/8 inch radius. A 1/8 inch radius hole is .25 inches in diameter which is how bullets are measured

      • on the autopsy, it said 1/8 inch diameter, maybe nothing to this, but I’m begining to get suspicious about the prosecution case. And if premed can be disproven, which in my mind it has been, then there is no dp.

    • I don’t know much about guns but I am married to firearm collecter-haha and he said there is no way a shot from such a small caliber could kill or injure that bad unless you are a really good shot and the victim would bleed out but not die quickly.
      Most likely she shot at him, it grazed him, and he flew into a rage!

    • You have to remember, the gunshot wound was measured days after he was actually shot. The body had started to break down and the skin shrinks.

      You hear myths that after you die your finger nails continue to grow, your hair continues to grow…it’s the shrinkage of the skin after death.

      • Ooops, forgot to add, There would also be swelling, which would continue even after death.

        Sorry, my brain hasn’t kicked in yet this morning, need more coffee! 😉

        • And add to that we are assuming the ME is making an accurate measurement. Looking at some of the other ME conclusions I have to call into question his competency.

          • Or the competency of his assistant. All the ME does is the actual autopsy, it’s his assistant that does all the pictures and measurements.

          • Yea Natalie, I didn’t find him credible. I dont know, I just got a feeling abiut him bring up on the stand. He looked like he didn’t want to be there or like he was upset, he didn’t like what he was doing. I can understand that if he was uncomfortable ir nervous. But this is a professional and this is for sure not the first times he’s had to expound a dead persons report. Maybe he was forced to do something he didn’t agree with, idk just my thought.

            • That idiotic gas expanding theory in the brain that incapacitated TA. Watch his testimony cause that is where he had a hard time explaining that one. If it were true, then gunshot particles would be found in the skull, no matter how much decomposition and there was none noted on the autopsy report.

              • I didn’t hear the ME say that expanding gas was in the skull. I thought he said it was in the abdomen (mostly). TA’s body was bloated with decomp gas; much of that was centered in the abdomen.

                The ME said that there was an absence of hemorrhaging in the skull.

                Actually, with 5 days decomp, the brain has begun to liquify. The brain in a living, healthy person is the consistency of soft jello. I looked at the XRay of TA’s brain from the autopsy, and his brain was mush. There were no definitive crevices; there wasn’t even a definitive cerebellum (small globe just behind the brain stem). The lack of definitive cerebellum indicates that neurological decomp was significant.

                Because of the decomp or “liquification” of the neurological tissue, it truly is possible for no gunshot residue to be found in the skull.

                I need to watch the ME’s testimony again.

                • When asked by JW why would the gunshot incapacitate TA, this is where he talks about the expanding gases from the gunshot would have a concussion effect in the brain. He also stated that they were able to take tissue samples of the brain. When this process is done for examination they take pieces of a tissue, put the tissue in a paraffin block, which holds the tissue together, then the tissue is sliced very thinly and slides are made. Some tissues are stained using various dyes depending on what is being looked for, some tissues are not stained. These slides then undergo a microscopic examine by the pathologist and no matter how decomposed the tissue is, microscopic gunshot particles would be seen. Gunshot particles don’t decompose, they would be considered foreign artifacts and noted in any report.

                • Thanks, TB! Fascinating stuff. I’m planning to rewatch those portions of the trial … I obviously missed a lot on the medical testimony! {blushes}

  9. Jon Leiberman is a tool and a massive douchebag. Go ahead and sue me for character assassination and slander, Jon! Oh wait, you can’t, because it’s true :).

    Michael Jackson Velez-Mitchell and that Shanna person are equally as clueless. The records DON’T LIE. Where’s the corrected record?

      • No shit BeeCee.
        Some days I feel sorry for those that can’t think for themselves and do the research.
        Other days I’m just sorry there are such stupid people out there.
        Maybe jurors IQ’s should be tested before hand or at least the ability to use common sense?

    • He is GROSS screaming like a loony tune he is so stupid. Character Assassination ??? I would ignore these people, They are playing to the mob mentality, its not intelligent its like fake wrestling. .

      • Ok this is what I sent this douchebag:

        I just read your opinion piece on Jodi Arias.

        Have you actually watched the trial?

        “Jodi has no respect for the law or the rules of society.”
        What examples are you basing this statement on?

        “she openly and unabashedly sneers at the prosecuting attorney”
        Have you seen how ignorant the prosecutor is? He can’t even remember what question he originally asked half the time. I do not interpret her as sneering. It looks like disbelief that this guy twists words and makes up a story while trying to get her to agree.

        “Arias hacked into Alexander’s email and Facebook accounts. He found her hiding in his closet when he returned home from a date.”
        These are all statements from the same friends who believed Travis was a 30 year old virgin, did you happen to miss that fact that Travis lied to his friends about Jodi being a stalker? If there had been proof of that, the prosecutor would have brought it in. Because there isn’t proof…just more of Travis’ lies.

        “She introduced him to sex, playing the submissive partner though she was actually dominant in order to control him.”
        Umm, right. Based on what? The sex tape? Did you miss that he spoke about how other women tasted?

        “She stalked, vandalized, plotted and then murdered. Twice she slashed the tires on his car. She sent a threatening email to Alexander’s new love interest.”
        Again, no proof of this. I suggest you read the “investigative” report by Flores. You will see that someone called in a tip about her soon to be ex. Travis had more enemies than people realize because of his womanizing ways.

        If one takes snippets of someones life, believes lies from others, then I guess we would all be labeled sociopaths.

        https://jodiariasisinnocent.com/

        Maybe try writing a fair article next time, instead of falling in line with the lemmings.

        BeeCee

        • Thank you BeeCee for sending that, very well put.
          It’s as if the media thinks that if they just repeat the same smarmy shit over and over again it will become the truth.
          Sadly, they’ve put me in a position where I truly enjoy watching their sculpture of Saint Travis crumbling before our eyes.
          I try to refrain from bashing of Travis and his family – but that doesn’t stop me from speaking the truth, be it speaking ill of the dead or not.
          I’m not going to pretend it’s acceptable to reference rape, pedophilia, or sexually degrading fantasies – its not, nor will it ever be, dead or alive.

          Death doesn’t change who you were Mr. Alexander, as you can see, it’s actually bringing to light the real you.
          They will all see, Jodi Arias is innocent.

          • I always refrain from bashing the family too – but I think they’re clearly making Dennis the scapegoat here. He’s the “family fuck up” who had an extensive record, so it’s easy to ask him to take the blame for Travis’ record.

            • Definitely Kira.
              Call them like I see them.
              Big difference between bashing and pointing out the facts.

            • I am not real hard on the family because this is a terrible ordeal, but I just wish they would face the fact that while Travis had many good character traits, he was a flawed individual.

              Just like the rest of us.

              I cannot be so charitable toward the media and hacks like Shanna Hogan, however, who should know better.

              • So true tonysam.
                I cant spare them just because of their stupidity or denial.

                And the media is well aware of what they’re doing…

              • True, and I hhave tried to keep my posts about JA and TA, because first a family member was killed and then they had to find out he wasn’t who he appeared to be. His younger brother Steven had said on an interview that he looked up to TA for the way he stayed true to his faith. And now they have to face the fact that they were lied to. Could explain a lot of the anger they have, JA destroyed their illusions so they want revenge.

                • When I look at either of the families, Jodi’s or Travis’s, I just see people who are so very sad. This awful situation destroyed not one, but two families. I become angrier and angrier at the State of AZ for not having the sense to accept Jodi’s plea. Instead, they have wasted all this money, caused a lot of hurt, and made money for HLN hand over foot.

        • thanks for the tip again about the flores police report here again I say read read read it till it hurts to read and read it again question the friends that are all travis’s friends and you will discover something new

        • good for you Bee Cee!!!that clown’s whole article should be objected as hearsay!!!! why is it that people have nothing better to do that take lies and gossip and present them as evidene or facts?and to think he’s a Dr!

        • I pray it gets read by any sane person at FOX who will then be brave enough to bring it on! That is a great piece of work! 😀

      • FOX asserted that there are no written rules against distorting news in the media. They argued that, under the First Amendment, broadcasters have the right to lie or deliberately distort news reports on public airwaves. just copyed and pasted the post site interesting

        • All News Organizations are owned by corporate media they placate their audiences and sponsors and special interest groups FOX NEWS CNBC Nancy Grace Jane Dr.Drew they all chant the same Mantra HATE SELLS, I am sorry for the fools who think that any of the networks are different, Pepsi & Coke. They are individuals that play a role, nasty not too nasty, very opinionated, what their ultimate goal is control, so if you question authority you will be silenced. A politician questioned our involvement in the middle east and was fired from MSNBC, FOX is the same. CNN kept blocking Ron Paul from answering questions after the audience seemed to relate to many of his opinions. The same with Fox and the rest of the Rat Pack. You don’t think for yourself group thought you regurgitate the hate mantra.,this is dangerous on many levels and I can see why people are dumber & dumber.

          • propaganda press, sometimes I read the online Pravda, and according to them, we have become like them under Stalin. Sad day when you have to read a russian newspaper for the truth. Control the media, control the people

            • KGB TACTICS
              Its true look at the phony elections, Why even vote they pick a puppet leader, Who will sit in plastic throne of the presidency?? Look how corrupt our own government is, any time the media cheer leads a person or trashes them there is an agenda. They are so angry about Travis Criminal Records, So ,What Happened To Baby Jane” will have the psychic or intuitive lady to explain Travis’s criminal records, with that Oh so familiar accent of the Gypsy fortune teller. and that’s evidence to Jane, Nancy & DREW!!!!!!!!

            • I would add in “control the media” AND “use religion to control the masses,” and that is how you can easily brainwash an entire population into believing BS even though the truth is right in front of them.

        • according to FCC rules, it is illegal to purposely engage in News Distortion
          however, they also say they will not always enforce the law. I filed a complaint regarding this weeks ago, also regarding HLN and obscenity.
          the only thing i can see that’s changed is a significant delay in their live trial broadcasts.

      • Daily Kos isn’t owned by Fox news. It is an online blog type magazine, and it is independent. Its mostly political, and leans liberal. Markos Moulitsas started it in 2002, and still runs it. Personally, I read it alot for the politics as I am left leaning….and for the record, I hate Fox news and all they stand for. They are full of high paid talking heads who have little to do with actual news IMO. 🙂

      • Ok, forget my prior post, LOL, just RE-READ what Also posted, and I totally misunderstood what her post was about….carry on..:)

    • Thanks BeeCee…. im with all you, guys but I had a VERY DIFFICULT time understanding this idiot. And ur all correct, he doesn’t know shit!!! I wonder how stupid he must feel knowing that he’s been misinformed big time!!!! Lol

      Were did you find his email address? ? Maybe ill email him too, that way he’ll get more then one email telling him to KNOW his facts before going on air.

    • “Some experts claim she’s a sociopath and it would be easy to bend the rules and say she is close enough to the diagnosis. She lied, disregarded everyone but herself, manipulated, conned, deceived, took a life and refuses to express remorse. But all this occurred after she met Alexander.”

      Okay so didn’t you just prove our point! None of these things happened until TA! Jodi was a normal, healthy girl before he shredded her self worth and confidence! Nobody from Jodi’s past has made claims that Jodi was a violent girl in the past. TA has a violent criminal record and they still say he is perfect! Hello Pot meet kettle!

  11. SJ, Team Jodi, and Fellow Truth Seekers,

    Just wanted to say, GREAT work everyone! I can’t say enough how much you all give me hope that the entire world has not gone mad! I am more sickened than ever to see the extent these deranged people will go to see a young woman put to death, and bury all evidence that will give her justice.

    I have a few questions that I hope someone will be able to answer:

    1. Has anyone contacted the Innocence Project for help?
    I know they generally work on behalf of those already wrongly convicted, but they are also commited to preventing further injustice. (This is one of the biggest injustices that I have seen in recent years.) They may be able to assist in obtaining mug shots,etc.

    2. Anyone out there with expertise in Constitutional Law? Is it even legal for the media to continue to spew lies for ratings, when it is creating a clear Mob Mentality, whereby people are actually threatening the lives of others?

    Although I strongly uphold our Constitutional right to Freedom of Speech, the current media has now gone too far. I always remember being taught, that there are some limits on this freedom, and one could not “yell fire in a crowed theater”. Seems to me that this is exactly what HLN management is allowing their employees to do via shows like NG, JVM, Dr. Drew. They are laughing and scoffing at the truth and those who seek to speak the truth, all the way to the bank, while inciting an angry Mob. I don’t think the petition is enough at this point. Forgive me if I am not correct on this, as it has been many a year since I had any education on government and the consitution.

    Thanks and keep up the good fight!

    • Tr, I agree with you. I think the hysteria they are creating against JA is at least borderline violation of consitutional rights and the sad thing, it’s based on the lies spewed from a select group of people. Look what happened last week when Casey Anthony went to court, people were yelling baby killer at her and she has to be in hiding. I think even if JA does get convicted on a lessor and is released one day, she would not be safe anywhere.

        • It’s funny that you bring up the Innocence Project, because that has been on my mind this past weekend.

      • I hope somebody is working on a book as we speak–and I am not the one to do it because of limited finances–about this case, the media, and the debasement of defendants’ rights.

        This is actually far larger than Jodi Arias or Casey Anthony or other targets of the media lynch mob.

        This is truly a terrifying trend if you are concerned at all about people’s constitutional rights.

        • Tonysam:
          Absolutely That was my interest as I told someone, The problem, is a disinterest in the truth & Constitution, So if you hate someone usually propelled by the media, they do not deserve a fair Trial, well sorry this is Stalin KGB tactics. This is horrible we see it in our elections. The criminal aspect of the media is so obvious.

        • If I were a writer of suspense and knew the law better I would. If anyone else has time – I would gladly typeset it (I’m no professional but I typeset my book to save $350 and it looks great) and it costs nothing to get to print on Amazon and to get it as a Kindle version. IDK, this really sounds like a project for a team of writers of various chapters….

        • tonysam, it’s free to write a book, you know! Then, you simply send it to publishers until one says yes. At that point, the publisher gives you an advance. Alternatively, you can self publish for a very small amount. Look into it.

      • She would be safe at my house out here in the country we can see anybody coming up this way for a long ways off. Small town an I doubt many would even recognize her she could pass for my own daughter as far as that goes. An I would welcome her here in Alabama.

    • I think Spence is a Constitutional Law expert, the best,Gerry Spence has a website I wrote to him I would advise writing to Gerry Spence i would say everyone should write to him. http://www.gerryspence.com/ might sound silly but why not??
      http://www.baileyandelliott.com/ and any other person who has handled this type of media circus. Its worth it Bailey is old but still sharp and I am sure there are others. The Media is worse then ever. Bailey was disbarred but still can give counsel it was a joke the disbarment, but can and perhaps one of these 2 giants are old and would like to in some way leave a legacy. The media is way out of control.

      • Yes, this what we all can do … send a msg to Gerry Spence I love to see someone like Piers Morgan interview Spence.

        • YES I wrote to him if he gets a flood of emails letters perhaps he would make an appearance HE is respected un like the media whores.

        • TR
          you are right its destroyed our Judicial system, I saw a comment about this a while back in reference to this case it was a quote from (Who Many Consider The Greatest Lawyer ever

          Thomas More: …And when the last law was down, and the Devil turned around on you–where would you hide, Roper, the laws all being flat? This country’s planted thick with laws from coast to coast–man’s laws, not God’s–and if you cut them down…d’you really think you could stand upright in the winds that would blow then? Yes, I’d give the Devil benefit of law, for my own safety’s sake.”
          This was posted I think in a rebuttal to Huff Post weeks ago about Jodi. These were direct quotes taken from More it was based on a Play A Man For All Seasons.
          the other quote

          “If we lived in a State where virtue was profitable, common sense would make us good, and greed would make us saintly. And we’d live like animals or angels in the happy land that /needs/ no heroes. But since in fact we see that avarice, anger, envy, pride, sloth, lust and stupidity commonly profit far beyond humility, chastity, fortitude, justice and thought, and have to choose, to be human at all… why then perhaps we /must/ stand fast a little –even at the risk of being heroes.”

          • Oliverio-
            Profound. I especially like the last paragraph. So fitting to this and so many other situations in this crazy world we live in.

            • TR
              Especially that it was written in 1500 s People were crappy then too!! LOL
              A well known politician who was a Lawyer I won’t say his name because it was a private story someone told me. This politician use to have a Painting of St.Thomas More in his office, He was pretty revered by Attorneys as well as Religious, when this politician disregarded his morals his friend visited him and noticed the great painting of Thomas More was removed from his office because, he couldn’t bare to look at it since he had compromised his morals for political advancement.

    • THERE IS ONE THING CERTAIN THE KNOW WE ARE HERE AND WE WILL FIND THE TRUTH WHEN THEY DO NOT SEE IT AND IF YOU ARE FOUND TO BE RIGHT THEN THEY WILL HAVE TO REPORT IT ON THEIR TWO FACED SHOWS LIKE NANCY GRACE AND THE OTHERS

    • The government is the only entity that can, by definition, violate Constitutional rights. The media is held to standards of legal behavior dictated by tort law, not Constitutional law. And there are First Amendment limits on tort actions. The state of Arizona is responsible for ensuring that Jodi gets a fair trial. If they fail to do so, Jodi would have grounds for the appeal of her conviction, and potentially a cause of action against the state.

      The abysmal behavior of the HLN correspondents and commentators reflects poorly on their ethics, and in the cases of Vinnie Politan and Drew Pinsky, perhaps a blurring of the lines between the practice of a profession which imbued them with the “expertise” that made them interesting as hires for CNN, and their roles as journalists.

      • Thanks JouJou-
        Very well written but not sure my Lay mind fully understands. Are you in essence saying that that this media coverage is a violation of Tort Law? With the first Ammendment limits on Tort Actions, could legal action be taken against media that fuels dangerous mobs, and perpetrates serious unthruths about a defendant in a criminal trial?

        We all know this media is not ethical or moral, I have posted my thoughts previously that ,the “experts” in fields of Psychology and Medicine on these shows, should face disciplinary action by any State that licenses them, for providing inaacurate information to the public, in direct conflict to what ever oath or standard of practice they are obligated to follow. Maybe you could speak to that as well?

        Please make it simple, I’m having a rough day:)
        Thanks

        • p.s. JouJou-
          I really would like for you to “dumb it down” for me. I won’t be insulted in the least. I am recovering from a concussion as the result of an MVA, and some days, when I am particularly tired, I have a difficult time processing complex information. So, I suppose in one way, I’m like the TA supporters, only with a legitimate excuse:) Thanks

          • I think that perhaps instead of being over your head, my statement was merely vague and not fleshed out. Embarrassingly, intentionally. I’m no Con Law scholar, and it’s been a very long time since I’ve written on this topic, and even then it was probably just in a blue book. But I’ll try.

            Private entities can’t violate Constitutional rights (think: the Bill of Rights rights starting with “Congress shall make no law…”). So when journalists (private actors) lie or otherwise intentionally pass on false information, if damage is caused, the damaged party may seek to be made whole by initiating a tort claim. So basically, a tort is a legal cause of action, usually having its basis in the Common Law (much of which we inherited from England [except in Louisiana, but I’d need a whole other blue book for that, so give me a break, wouldja?]) or from a statute. Because the laws and courts are governmental actors, the laws and decisions that they issue are subject to judicial review (lawyer word for “can’t be unconstitutional”). So if Jodi is damaged (her reputation, ability to work, etc.) she would have a cause of action against those who libeled or slandered her. There is a tremendous body of law on that, it varies from jurisdiction to jurisdiction, etc., and I couldn’t say whether her claim would likely be successful or not. That body of law concerns, among other things, what standards apply to speakers, and what the First Amendment protects and what it does not. There are also different standards for public figures, who is a public figure…I could go on and on, but not very knowledgeably. But the way that the First Amendment applies to these private actors is merely affecting the causes of action that the government administers. Does that make sense?

            If the media acts, and it affects the fairness of the trial Jodi receives, her beef is with the state of Arizona, not the media. The state is supposed to ensure that her trial is fair, not the media.

            As for my examples of Dr. Drew and Vinnie Politan, It’s fairly obvious that they could both benefit greatly from a freshman level journalism ethics class. As for their licenses, I totally agree for defo w/ Dr. Drew. I particularly like: a. how he diagnoses people he’s never met; b. how he took a Hippocratic oath, yet doesn’t seem to have a clue what that is; c. has as guess psychics, body language experts, and lawyers who have never practiced and passes their opinions as “expert”, and d. applies vastly different standards of behavior in different contexts (telling, for instance, one of the Teen Moms that violence and coercion of ANY type under ANY circumstances is unacceptable, but referring to the abuse Jodi endured as “relatively minor.” I don’t really know of anything that Vinnie has done to jeopardize his license, but you know lawyers. We make our own rules. Literally.

            • That was supposed to be “guest” psychics, body language experts, and lawyers who have never practiced. But perhaps the slip was Freudian.

            • Thanks JouJou for taking the time to re-explain. I think I understand it better now. Sounds like the media can act without any scruples with impunity, unless the injured party sues them directly.

              As for Dr. Drew, one has to wonder if he is a “real” doctor, or if he is just “playing one on TV”. If he is a real doctor, he must have been busy talking to Nancy Grace when he was taking the hippocratic oath. Seems like if he is a real Dr. he should be shut down from practicing any type of medicine. You said it so well.

        • Maybe I can help a little TR.

          Essentially, only a government entity can violate an accused’s constitutional rights (i.e., Jodi, as the accused). The state of AZ is the government of the state of AZ. So, it could violate her constitutional rights if it can be proven that it did not provide her with a fair trial. If the trial court (i.e., the judge) commits reversible errors in Jodi’s trial, making it unfair, then Jodi has the right to appeal. (And, as far as I know, in AZ, all death penalty cases are appealed to the Supreme Court of AZ.)

          The media is not violating Jodi’s constitutional rights in not giving her a fair appeal UNLESS it could be proven that they were working WITH the state of AZ. That’s seriously far-fetched.

          Suing for libel, slander or defamation of character is possible. However, in the US, the person suing has the burden of proof — not the person or entity being sued. To sue then, Jodi would have to prove that the statements made harmed her and were made negligently. Public figures — which it could potentially be argued she has become — have an even higher threshold. In those cases, one has to prove reckless disregard for the truth and that anything said was known to be patently false.

          And then, you have suing the media, which are entitled the constitutional right commonly known as “freedom of the press”. While that doesn’t mean the press isn’t subject to defamation lawsuits or that they’re exempted from them, they are allowed to have opinions. This makes suing them extremely tough.

          Does that help? I’m so sorry to hear about your accident and concussion. Feel better!!!

          • Yes Also, you and JouJou’s explanations helped a lot. Thanks so much for the well wishes. This type of dialogue is actually good for me, as I lost a whole lot of vocabulary as a result of the consussion. This has forced me to retrain my brain a bit and will hopefully help get some of my vocab back.

            • TR, I totally know where you are coming from. I’m experiencing some cognitive problems as well. And I’m finding this a lot more therapeutic than anything else!

              • JouJou-
                I’m sorry to hear that, I know it is a very difficult thing to deal with. Your writings show you still have a brilliant mind. I so enjoy reading them, not only for their content but for how well written they are.

                Now I won’t feel so bad asking you so many questions. I will think of it as being therapeutic for both of us 🙂

  12. SJ and the team and fellow truth and justice seekers!

    I’ve been inundating all the facebook pages of HLN, JVM, NG, VP, JJ, IS, all of them with my petition since I started it. So I started a “hate campaign” against myself, ha! JeanCasarusRex actually responded DIRECTLY in a post, and nicely, so if we let even one of them live another day, I’d vote for Jean! This website,of course, is referenced in the petition, but I make it clear this is not my site, I am not the owner, blah,blah..And I try to convey that signing the petition is not an actual vote for or against Jodi, but against the coverage. Of course, many if not most of the signers, including myself, are supporters, and I do believe we can possibly affect not only this coverage but future coverage with our combined efforts. But this is where it starts…..:)

    My name is Sandra Webber, on facebook, and on my driver’s license, and library card, and yadda, yadda! I sucked at thinking I could remain “kinda” anonymous, though I started here with “Maggie” and I kinda like it:)

    Anyhoo…yes, WE HAVE TURNED THE TIDE! Congratulations! And never underestimate the power of one great idea, one righteous cause, and the “good kind of crazy”, as I like to remind folks whenever necessary!

    One idea that came to me last night was to write up a “demographic” so to speak, of theJodi supporters….still putting it together, but…”rational, logical, intelligent, unconsumed by manufactured hatred, charming, funny, kind, gracious…..and likely good-looking” or something like that,ha!

    I’m not the best at keeping up with the board but many of your posts have touched the good nerves in me – Rhonda – Alabama, yes?:) TB, TR, DirtyPickles, Dog, Patty, Kitty…..you guys and so many more here ROCK!!!

    Oh my, lots of reading to do….:)

    FREE JODI!!!

    http://www.change.org/petitions/trial-by-media-is-wrong-stop-the-spin-headline-news-hln-nancy-grace-jane-velez-mitchell-jean-casarez-vinnie-politan-dr-drew

  13. hey my fellow brilliant minds……

    i have been out of town so im trying to catch up…

    what TA was arrested??

    • hey summer!trying to catch up myself with everything that happened these last few days,you have a loooot of reading to do LOL!see the site’s recent posts,fasten your seatbelt and start reading!

  14. Nicole says:

    March 12, 2013 at 1:03 am

    OK, I looked up the alleged brother, Dennis Gregory Alexander.

    He was on probation for having drugs in his possession. Further, he said he had a PAROLE violation. He had a PROBATION violation in June 2000 and the arraignment was in April 2001. He said the court sent him to prison was violating his parole for the Travis incident. However, these dates were BEFORE Travis’ record!

    BTW, he also served time for DOMESTIC VIOLENCE!! I guess the apples on the tree are pretty close together.

    Here is what I have found, I hope the info turns out on here.

    Case RIF082489 – ALEXANDER, DENNIS GREGORY – Probation

    Probation Type: FORMAL Granted: 11/09/1998 Expire: 11/09/2001

    FORMAL PROBATION IS GRANTED FOR A PERIOD OF 36 MONTHS UNDER THE FOLLOWING TERMS AND CONDITIONS:
    1) OBEY ALL LAWS, ORDINANCES, AND COURT ORDERS.
    2) BE COMMITTED TO CUSTODY OF RSO FOR MODERATE PERIOD OF TIME, 365 DAYS;
    3) PAY TOTAL FINE IN AMOUNT OF $135.00 PURSUANT TO 11372.5 HS PLUS ADMIN COSTS TO THE COURT, AS DIRECTED BY FINANCIAL SERVICES; .
    4) PAY TOTAL OF $135.00 WHICH INCLUDES A FEE AND PA PURSUANT TO SEC 11372.7 H&S THRU CLERK OF CRT IN MANNER DETERM’D BY FINANC SVC;PLUS ADM COSTS
    5) NOT ASSOC W/ANY UNRELATED PERSON KNOWN TO BE POSSESSOR,USER,TRAFFICKER OF CONTRL SUB NOR ANY UNRELATED PERSON ON PROB/PAROLE OR ANY KNOWN GANG MEMBERS
    6) NOT POSSESS NOR USE ANY CONTROLLED SUBSTANCES UNLESS MEDICALLY PRESCRIBED; ANY PRESCRIBED USAGE TO BE IMMEDIATELY REPORTED TO THE P.O.;(USE TDL2)
    7) SUBMIT TO IMMED SEARCH OF PERSON,AUTO,HOME,PREMISES,GARAGE,STORAGE AREAS & PERSONAL/LEASED PROPERTY WITH OR W/O CAUSE BY PO OR LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER
    8) SUBMIT TO CHEM.TESTS OF BLOOD BREATH URINE COMBINATION & REASON PHYSICAL TESTS REQUESTED BY PO OR LAW ENFORCEMT FOR DETECTION OF CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE.
    9) PAY ACTUAL COSTS OF COURT ORDERED TESTING THROUGH AND AS DIRECTED BY COURT/FINANCIAL SERVICES.
    10) REPORT ANY LAW ENFORCEMENT CONTACTS TO THE PROBATION OFFICER WITHIN 48 HOURS
    11) SEEK AND MAINTAIN GAINFUL EMPLOYMENT OR ATTEND A FULL-TIME SCHOOL OR VOCATIONAL PROGRAM;
    12) RESIDE AT A RESIDENCE APPROVED BY THE PROBATION OFFICER AND NOT MOVE WITHOUT HIS/HER PRIOR APPROVAL.
    13) PARTICIPATE AND COMPLETE AT YOUR EXPENSE ANY COUNSELING, REHABILITATION/TREATMENT PROGRAM DEEMED APPROPRIATE BY PROBATION OFFICER; AND AUTHORIZE
    14) NOT OWN, POSSESS OR HAVE UNDER YOUR CONTROL ANY FIREARM OR DEADLY WEAPON;
    15) REGISTER WITH LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT WITHIN 5 DAYS FROM TODAY OR WITHIN 5 DAYS UPON RELEASE FROM CUSTODY PURSUANT TO 11590 H&S;
    16) REPORT TO PROBATION OFFICER IMMEDIATELY OR WITHIN 2 DAYS OF RELEASE FROM CUSTODY FOR INITIAL INSTRUCTIONS, AND FOLLOW ALL REASONABLE DIRECTIVES OF PO.
    17) PAY RESTITUTION FINE OF $200.00 PURSUANT 1202.4(B) PC TO THE COURT AND DIRECTED BY FINANCIAL SERVICES;PAY IN FULL BY 11/30/98
    18) LICENSE SUSPENDED FOR A PERIOD OF 6 MONTHS.

    Case RIF082489 – ALEXANDER, DENNIS GREGORY – Related Cases On Calendar

    Related Cases On Calendar
    This Defendant Does Not Have Any Other Cases With Future Hearings Scheduled.

    Case RIF082489 – ALEXANDER, DENNIS GREGORY – All of Defendant’s Other Cases

    Case Number Filed Date Charges Next Hearing Jurisdiction Status
    RIM358199 09/15/1997 PC 273.6(A) None Scheduled SUPERIOR COURT – RIVERSIDE Pending Adjudication

    Case RIF082489 – ALEXANDER, DENNIS GREGORY – Actions & Minutes

    Action Date Action Text Disposition Hearing Type
    04/12/2001 STATE PRISON PACKET MAILED TO DEPARTMENT OF CORRECTIONS.
    04/12/2001 ABSTRACT OF JUDGMENT – PRISON COMMITMENT FILED.
    04/10/2001 8:30 AM DEPT. 51 VIOLATION OF PROBATION ARRAIGNMENT TERM: 01 06 16 DISPOSED
    Minutes

    04/09/2001 HOUSING LOCATION: RPDC
    04/09/2001 WARRANT RECALL NOTICE HAS BEEN PRINTED
    04/07/2001 JURISDICTION: RSC – LOC: CCF TAFT (REFER TO CJ)
    06/27/2000 ELECTRONIC WARRANT SENT AT 08:28
    06/27/2000 WARRANT GENERATED.
    06/26/2000 ALLEGATION OF VIOLATION OF PROBATION
    06/26/2000 8:30 AM DEPT. 51 EX PARTE HEARING RE: VOP TERMS 01 06 16 DISPOSITION

    I brought this over from the last thread
    I wasn’t sure how many saw it. Maybe When Nicole gets online she cane post the Doc. And maybe SJ can add it to the docs. to go along with this thread. Good stuff!!!

    • Very interesting KMiller.
      Thanks for looking this information up.
      I was hoping someone would look up Dennis’ records and compare.
      I’m not very savvy when it comes to finding police records and what not unless guided. 🙂

      Let me guess, they botched his record just like Travis’ (hah!)?
      Is it just me or is that is that shit I’m smelling coming from the Pro Travis sites?

      • Oops – thank you Nicole.
        Didn’t see that it was a repost by Nicole from KMiller.

        Thanks for the repost though KMiller, I had missed it on the previous thread.

      • Thanks M. But It was actually Nicole who found and paid for this record. I just reposted it since it was towards the end of the prior thread and I didn’t think it was seen by many.
        Just wanted to make sure she gets the credit:) We have some really good detectives here!

      • Omg what a freaking mess!!! So…. what is it??? Was the brother on probation while the mysterious person got TA in trouble? ??

    • Awesome work! So, was the brother on probation at the time the new charges were caught?

    • Problem is we don’t know how long Dennis served for his 2001 probation violation. With prison overcrowding, he likely didn’t stay in long. The TA arrest was on 3/02, almost a year after Dennis’ 4/01 parole violation arrest.

      Dennis stated that he gave Travis’ name in 2002 because he was on parole. He may have been serving a second of third round of parole.

      Dennis said he was caught stealing Sudafed. I think he was a meth addict.

      I truly don’t mean to be a naysayer. I just think that it is worth having as many facts as possible so that we have a complete picture of events.

      The more complete the facts, the more this new evidence could help Jodi.

      God knows that if Jodi that Jodi needs as much accuracy as possible.

  15. Off subject:

    For some time the Ed Snell video has really bothered me and it wasn’t just the character. This morning I realized what it was….Where are his garments? Once attained Mormons are supposed to wear them day and night. I guess it’s ok to put them aside if you want to sell more shares in a MLM plan!?

      • Funny!! Very Sick indeed But from what i have read theologically by Scholars etc. The Mormons aren’t Christians and really Worship Joseph Smith over Christ NO CRUCIFIXES OUT SIDE THEIR RESORT TEMPLES But Statues of Mr.Smith the Pederast. The symbolism in Mormonism is more in line with Masonry & the occult. Satan & Christ are brothers according to Mormons, we can all be Gods if we join some get rich quick scheme and get a lot of suckers to buy into the Self Help Gurus that permeate this cult.The Doctrine is completely weird lacks any substance, Follow the Money or in this case PPL??? gee they couldn’t seem to handle a simple IDENTITY THEFT?? But I guess Travis Family can sue for character assassination by OUR LEGAL SYSTEM For allowing such a gross miscarriage of Justice has the court records have shown. Oh they belonged to his brother, A study of a culture is their religious beliefs, and I do not see any great culture coming from this silly Disney World cult with the magic underwear, But the fact that the media is so protective and every night has Mormons flooding the air waves is very telling. How Much Money is being poured into the corporate media by these Criminals.

        • Oliviero I have a sisterinlaw who is Mormon. I once asked her about the crucifix and her response was “If you killed someone with a gun, would you wear a gun around your neck?” The symbology of a cross or crucifix to a Mormon depicts the killing of Jesus. They simply do not celebrate his death.She also stated one is better to wear a tomb around their neck, for then they would be celebrating the resurrection., and not the death.

          • This is correct Debbie, we don’t like to wear crosses because it is a reminder of HOW he died, not WHAT he died for.

          • On a pure Theological Level Didn’t Christ Say Pick up your Cross and Follow me that sacrifice was ultimate reward & Gift, So it would make no sense to me Theologically speaking to have a Statue a of a Man Joseph Smith and ignore Christ & His teachings which are not in agreement with Mormonism at all. The founder was a known Criminal. Most Christians where a Cross which if you really think about it how this changed civilization i:e BC AD
            This woman stated
            I now wear a crucifix because I want to remember Jesus died for me. He hung on a cross for me. I want others to know so I wear it so they can see it.

            • We have statues of Christ, we just choose not to focus on the way he was killed.

              Once again, we worship his REASON for dying, not the CAUSE.

              • That is open to interpretation So how about the Joseph Smith Guy, Its equivalent to having Swastikas And Statues of Hitler on display in Germany. The Cause was the Reason according to scripture Book of Isaiah good example First Testament. The Bible & Christian Theology Seem to differ from Joseph Smiths theology. MORMON theology is based on A Man Joseph Smith with a monstrous reputation. A Criminal & Degenerate. Yet his presence permeates this cult.

        • Thanks Again Oliviero. As I said yesterday, I did not know a lot about the Mormon Church. I now have learned a lot. Quite chilling stuff.

              • I think the video was silly and the symbolism is so shallow & I guess Jodi’s description of her baptism is just to connected to the underwear forever burned in my brain!

      • XR THANKS FOR THE VIDEO POST TRAVIS’S UNDERWARE WAS IT IN THE WASHING MACHINE OR THE DRYER

    • Based on something I read when Mitt Romney was running for president, the undergarments are optional, other than in temple. I can’t remember where the article came from now, but they were discussing the fact that Mitt appeared to always wear his undergarments, which suggested his deep faith. And they were saying that he didn’t have to always wear them, according to LDS rules, other than while in temple, where they are required.

      • I just read up on this last night and during the endowment ceremony when the initiate receives the garments, they are told only to wear them throughout their life. It’s a bit vague. However, it is made clear by the one authorized to perform the ceremony that they are to wear them at all times. They should never take it off to do something if it can be done reasonably with it left on. They give an example of an appropriate time to remove the garments; swimming, but they say the garments should be immediately put back on. It is also said the garments must never be altered in a way that will keep them hidden under revealing clothing. Finally, one should never EVER alter or change the pattern for any reason to do with trending fashion and consider it the most grievous of sins if one does alter the pattern. They are told to hold their garments more sacred than anything in the world.

        A “devout” Mormon would wear them constantly, taking them off only to shower. In this sense, Travis was pretty devout. At least, when he wasn’t Eddie Snell. But, perhaps, he made up for his not wearing the garments then by keeping them on while tying Jodi up and performing oral sex on her later. I mean, it clearly said do not take them off to do something that can be done reasonably with them on. So, all you TA haters, let’s give credit where it’s due.

        Look, that’s sarcasm. I was giving my hand a try at knuckle dragging and distorting reality so that it shines a good light on a bad thing for Travis’ image benefit. Don’t delete or ban me, okay? I won’t do it anymore. Didn’t feel good anyway!

    • I listened to MiMi’s testimony again an she said that he had lost his Temple worthy thing? she had thought she was not sure but if that is true then they would not wear them underwear right ? I don’t know…………..they asked about Priesthood also an she said she just never really asked just thought he did still have that. But she did state that in that congregation of LDS sex before marriage is a HUGE sin just below MURDER ?? an you could be excommunicated for it even decided by the Bishop. If that congregation meant a lot to TRAVIS an his standing with his PPL an LDS friends I am sure that is why the stalker crap came out an all the lies to make it as JODI was a nut an Travis was innocent. I think he may have got knocked down a few notches in that LDS an repented.

      The more I think about this crap I think he was wanting a MORMON woman that had GOOD STANDINGS in that LDS an HIGH UP parents in that LDS so when he found one an married then it
      looks really good in that LDS an JODI did not fit in that plan she was a convert. An converted for him to be able to date him.

      This is a true story I knew this guy in Phoenix Arizona he was from Colorado an a manager at a place I worked at an he told me a story once about how he was a only child an he was looking for Ms Right but she had to be a only child an have wealthy parents ? an I was like that is weird you have a criteria for who you will marry an they have to fit it? an he said Yes. AN the reason was GREED ! this way when the new wife’s parents pass an his pass they will be very wealthy being both would be only children.

      I have to say that was the most arrogant male I had ever met an the thought very highly of himself too big bragger an talker I could not stand him for only a few minutes to actually have a conversation with him was like you had to just listen he did not let people actually talk much interrupted an was just disgusting I thought. I have not met many others like that in life either actually no one so demented as who he would marry had to have a certain criteria for him. AN he did find that woman finally also poor woman I Bet he never told her he had checked her out first as far as being a only child.

  16. Travis Talking Tough and Maybe Something Else

    This is a transcript from the net of the audio sex tape. Travis is talking about some guy who was coming onto Jodi.

    But the sentence that puzzles me is when Travis says: ” Am I supposed to say uh Hey, I just got uh ripped a new one ‘cause I’m drug check frickin’ felony …”

    I’m not 100% sure this is what he is saying but if it is accurate it sounds like he might be talking about being drug tested because of a felony. This portion of the tape starts around the 6 minute mark (give or take a bit). The actual recording is at the end of the transcript if you want to listen.

    <> That means I intimidate him in the bathroom.

    <>He said nothing but nice things about you but that he didn’t want to be a part of my dramas and I was like “ok”

    <>He’s a ghost to me because what am I supposed to say “Hey you kissed my girlfriend” wow, let’s talk about that.

    <> That was before I was your girlfriend, you are so cute.

    <> Uhhh, nahhh, nah.

    <>

    < It wasn’t…what am I supposed to say you know what I mean? Am I supposed to say uh Hey, I just got uh ripped a new one ‘cause I’m drug check frickin’ felony and and now uh you’re drunk and you’re frickin’ trying to hook up with my girlfriend five months later? Ya know?

    <> When was that?

    <> Oklahoma, remember I was going to go beat him down?

    <> Oh, he said something not so nice. He, it was a compliment, it was meant to be a compliment to me but it was an insult to you and I should have stuck stuck up for you I was I was timid and I was still I’m like that I need to work on that I need to be…

    <> Yeah I always notice you take so much crap over Clancy and then you didn’t stand up for me you were getting picked up…

    <> No he was hanging all over me…

    <> No…Hey hey…not true. Not true, we don’t need to go there, let’s not even go there

    <> Let’s not go there then <> We already said the other night that we are never going to go there again so let’s let it go. Ok back to the Team Freedom thing um yeah…

    <> This is why I intimidate him in the bathroom

    **************JA starts to put her blazer back on at this point**************

    <> You’re funny

    <> I thought I was too ‘cause ‘cause I was right next to him and I put out the ‘I’ll whip your A buddy if you say one word to me’

    http://tube.7s-b.com/video/ANNFSY5x-3w/Jodi-Arias-Travis-Alexander-Sex-Tape.html

    • I should have added that if Travis is saying that he needs to be drug tested because of a felony (2002 Riverside maybe?), it sort of proves it was him and not his brother that was arrested, doesn’t it?

      • Yeah, I just listened…..”fell on me”…is not “felony”….ha….as much as our minds want to “create” that, ha!

        More of the whole truth will come out on the charges, arrest, etc. And whatever are the true FACTS, I will gladly accept and post. Even if it is is not Saint Travis in a mug shot. The whole thing reveals even more….deceit….on many levels…stretching to the family and to Shannon Hogan…Are we saying anyone deserved to die because of it? Oh hell, no! (Samuel Jackson voice..:) Are we saying these charges, etc. support battered women’s syndrome? No, not exactly…

        FB: There is not a fiber in my body that wants to disparage a dead person, Saint or not, however, the venomous slander that has been fueled by HLN and Travis’ so-called “friends”, the ones who didn’t bother to look for him for 5 days (not a text, e-mail, nadda from him and no “alarms”…give me a break!) have brought many of us to this point. Additionally,those who live in glass houses should not throw boulders from high atop a mountain top…of deceit and more…Have a lovely day, Beverly!

        http://www.change.org/petitions/trial-by-media-is-wrong-stop-the-spin-headline-news-hln-nancy-grace-jane-velez-mitchell-jean-casarez-vinnie-politan-dr-drew

      • that would make sense cause wasn’t everyone saying JA was so jealous about some drunk hanging on TA?

        • Jodi told us that……………at some convention some drunk lady was on him for a long time they were holding each other at the waists an she was embarrassed an ran off to the bathroom. He apologized later an was nice enough to let her lay her head on his lap while everyone was wanting to stay up all night drinking an talking an she was exhausted an embarrassed.

      • OK, thanks for the clarification. I must remember that line:

        ” Honey, you got it all wrong. I was just sitting here thinking about buying you a present and a drunk chick fell on me.” What could go wrong with that explanation?

    • What he’s saying is, “What am I supposed to say? Uh, hey, uh, I just got ripped a new one cause some drunk chick frickin fell on me and now you’re drunk….”

  18. Good morning everyone!! Please go and sign the petition Maggie references above (yes I have signed). Tomorrow will be a whole new round of biased bullsh*t with Jodi on the stand again. The ratings chasers will have a whole new venom to spew. HLN is NOT “HeadLine News” anymore…it’s “Headline Leeches Now”.

    Kudos to the SJ Team Jodi/Administration and everyone that is posting here! You guys rock and you all make my day! Thank you, thank you, thank you!

    Fighting back sometimes DOES work!! We must keep rolling.

  19. I had cable news on MSNBC the charges against Travis was brought up. I was in the next room, and I heard something to the effect of his brother took the fall for Travis. I may have heard it wrong, and have to leave for awhile, maybe someone else heard this, or has something else to add. I was shocked it was mentioned on MSNBC.

    • Is that your interpretation of the report by saying it was Travis’s brother and not Travis, or did the network actually say the brother was taking the fall for a guilty Travis?

      • I don’t want to cause a rumor, but that is what I swear I heard. That is why I was hoping someone else heard this. I wish there was a mugshot, and there has to be, no?

        • Maybe you heard somebody giving his or her opinion about this matter and this person believes the brother is taking the fall for Travis.

          Which is most likely the truth anyway. That’s Travis’s own police record that’s out there.

              • That’s the problem with the spin. The brother already had a criminal record, and things were plenty computerized for them to know he wouldn’t have been Travis.

                The reports ARE of Travis, period. The real Travis Alexander, not his brother or some impostor.

                • I knew someone this happened to his brother had a criminal record too. they didnt figure it out. Im not looking to start trouble here and I don’t give a whip about travis but I think it could have happened like that and the family lied because they knew that the history of violence would make travis more prone to violence. Im 50% that its true ( travis) and 50% his idiot brother did this. don’t be mad. 😉

                • I looked at the full report, i never saw anything about his brother name being on there.. And nothing was posted on it at the bottom that it was him… i think the family saw the report and his brother made that up to cover for Travis…

          • JC, I tend to think like you. Only because why wouldnt Mr Nurmi have brought this in already? They cannot disallow the ONLY independent corroboration other than Jodi’s word. That would totally be biased against Jodi.

            • And if I were a defense lawyer I would have brought it up during my opening statement too!

              • I am not so sure they could bring it up. Travis is not on trial, and I am not sure if they can bring his past criminal history up. I could be wrong though.

  21. Battery is actual physical violence. The “news” bias on this is funny. That one said he might have gotten into a little shoving match. Or he could have punched him in the face.

    • I’m from Riverside County and I can tell you that my daughter was arrested for being drunk in public and when she had to have her mugshot done she pushed the hand of the arresting officer and they charged her with felony battery to a police officer. The DA got it down to a misdemeanor and she had probation for 3 years.

    • I don’t think people get 5 days in jail and 3 months probation for a “shoving match”. Lol- F’kn
      Beth…….

  22. It’s floating on twitter that the mugshot was found and it’s proven it was his brother

    Has anyone here seen it?

  23. If what the brother is saying is true, why wasn’t he charged with lying to the police, and possibly perjury?

    Also, why wasn’t the record changed, EVER?

    • Yep the brothers rap sheet has been posted his probation was over before this incident and he has NO charges for using false identity.

      Nicole says:

      March 12, 2013 at 1:03 am

      OK, I looked up the alleged brother, Dennis Gregory Alexander.

      He was on probation for having drugs in his possession. Further, he said he had a PAROLE violation. He had a PROBATION violation in June 2000 and the arraignment was in April 2001. He said the court sent him to prison was violating his parole for the Travis incident. However, these dates were BEFORE Travis’ record!

      BTW, he also served time for DOMESTIC VIOLENCE!! I guess the apples on the tree are pretty close together.

      Here is what I have found, I hope the info turns out on here.

      Case RIF082489 – ALEXANDER, DENNIS GREGORY – Probation

      Probation Type: FORMAL Granted: 11/09/1998 Expire: 11/09/2001

      FORMAL PROBATION IS GRANTED FOR A PERIOD OF 36 MONTHS UNDER THE FOLLOWING TERMS AND CONDITIONS:
      1) OBEY ALL LAWS, ORDINANCES, AND COURT ORDERS.
      2) BE COMMITTED TO CUSTODY OF RSO FOR MODERATE PERIOD OF TIME, 365 DAYS;
      3) PAY TOTAL FINE IN AMOUNT OF $135.00 PURSUANT TO 11372.5 HS PLUS ADMIN COSTS TO THE COURT, AS DIRECTED BY FINANCIAL SERVICES; .
      4) PAY TOTAL OF $135.00 WHICH INCLUDES A FEE AND PA PURSUANT TO SEC 11372.7 H&S THRU CLERK OF CRT IN MANNER DETERM’D BY FINANC SVC;PLUS ADM COSTS
      5) NOT ASSOC W/ANY UNRELATED PERSON KNOWN TO BE POSSESSOR,USER,TRAFFICKER OF CONTRL SUB NOR ANY UNRELATED PERSON ON PROB/PAROLE OR ANY KNOWN GANG MEMBERS
      6) NOT POSSESS NOR USE ANY CONTROLLED SUBSTANCES UNLESS MEDICALLY PRESCRIBED; ANY PRESCRIBED USAGE TO BE IMMEDIATELY REPORTED TO THE P.O.;(USE TDL2)
      7) SUBMIT TO IMMED SEARCH OF PERSON,AUTO,HOME,PREMISES,GARAGE,STORAGE AREAS & PERSONAL/LEASED PROPERTY WITH OR W/O CAUSE BY PO OR LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER
      8) SUBMIT TO CHEM.TESTS OF BLOOD BREATH URINE COMBINATION & REASON PHYSICAL TESTS REQUESTED BY PO OR LAW ENFORCEMT FOR DETECTION OF CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE.
      9) PAY ACTUAL COSTS OF COURT ORDERED TESTING THROUGH AND AS DIRECTED BY COURT/FINANCIAL SERVICES.
      10) REPORT ANY LAW ENFORCEMENT CONTACTS TO THE PROBATION OFFICER WITHIN 48 HOURS
      11) SEEK AND MAINTAIN GAINFUL EMPLOYMENT OR ATTEND A FULL-TIME SCHOOL OR VOCATIONAL PROGRAM;
      12) RESIDE AT A RESIDENCE APPROVED BY THE PROBATION OFFICER AND NOT MOVE WITHOUT HIS/HER PRIOR APPROVAL.
      13) PARTICIPATE AND COMPLETE AT YOUR EXPENSE ANY COUNSELING, REHABILITATION/TREATMENT PROGRAM DEEMED APPROPRIATE BY PROBATION OFFICER; AND AUTHORIZE
      14) NOT OWN, POSSESS OR HAVE UNDER YOUR CONTROL ANY FIREARM OR DEADLY WEAPON;
      15) REGISTER WITH LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT WITHIN 5 DAYS FROM TODAY OR WITHIN 5 DAYS UPON RELEASE FROM CUSTODY PURSUANT TO 11590 H&S;
      16) REPORT TO PROBATION OFFICER IMMEDIATELY OR WITHIN 2 DAYS OF RELEASE FROM CUSTODY FOR INITIAL INSTRUCTIONS, AND FOLLOW ALL REASONABLE DIRECTIVES OF PO.
      17) PAY RESTITUTION FINE OF $200.00 PURSUANT 1202.4(B) PC TO THE COURT AND DIRECTED BY FINANCIAL SERVICES;PAY IN FULL BY 11/30/98
      18) LICENSE SUSPENDED FOR A PERIOD OF 6 MONTHS.

      Case RIF082489 – ALEXANDER, DENNIS GREGORY – Related Cases On Calendar

      Related Cases On Calendar
      This Defendant Does Not Have Any Other Cases With Future Hearings Scheduled.

      Case RIF082489 – ALEXANDER, DENNIS GREGORY – All of Defendant’s Other Cases

      Case Number Filed Date Charges Next Hearing Jurisdiction Status
      RIM358199 09/15/1997 PC 273.6(A) None Scheduled SUPERIOR COURT – RIVERSIDE Pending Adjudication

      Case RIF082489 – ALEXANDER, DENNIS GREGORY – Actions & Minutes

      Action Date Action Text Disposition Hearing Type
      04/12/2001 STATE PRISON PACKET MAILED TO DEPARTMENT OF CORRECTIONS.
      04/12/2001 ABSTRACT OF JUDGMENT – PRISON COMMITMENT FILED.
      04/10/2001 8:30 AM DEPT. 51 VIOLATION OF PROBATION ARRAIGNMENT TERM: 01 06 16 DISPOSED
      Minutes

      04/09/2001 HOUSING LOCATION: RPDC
      04/09/2001 WARRANT RECALL NOTICE HAS BEEN PRINTED
      04/07/2001 JURISDICTION: RSC – LOC: CCF TAFT (REFER TO CJ)
      06/27/2000 ELECTRONIC WARRANT SENT AT 08:28
      06/27/2000 WARRANT GENERATED.
      06/26/2000 ALLEGATION OF VIOLATION OF PROBATION
      06/26/2000 8:30 AM DEPT. 51 EX PARTE HEARING RE: VOP TERMS 01 06 16 DISPOSED

      Nicole paid for this online and posted

    • Until there is irrefutable proof otherwise, I am not buying this is anybody else but Travis Alexander.

      • I’m not buying this load. Are they actually dense enough to think that we all won’t see that the brother’s legal issues happened a full year before TA’s record states? Also, is there a date on the mugshot?
        They must really think we are stupid.

        Oh well, I guess we know now that it’s likely for sure TA’s record since they had a couple of days to work on their cover up and all they came up with is proof that it has nothing to do with the brother??? DUH.

        I will gladly accept the story of stolen identity, if they show some evidence to support it but I don’t see ANY.

        And I don’t know why some people don’t see this as relevant. I’ve been looking at this case as a domestic violence, battered woman’s, self defense case since Jodi took the stand. It is a murder trial, but the significance of TA’s history of violent tendencies either supports, or doesn’t support Jodi’s claims of abuse. The best predictor of someone’s behavior is past relevant behavior, right?
        Also, why are all the talking heads only mentioning the shoplifting and the “little scuffle” with ems, or whatever? Isn’t the part where he was charged with battery or assault against a spouse or partner, just slightly more relevant? Or did I miss something….LOL

  24. Its not a logical explanation due to the fact that IMAGE is so Important to these folks. PPL has something to do with this, and perhaps PPL is just a scam

    • They have a thousand complaints for a shitty service that they changed their name to legal shield. Google pre paid legal and complaints.

      • JC I know that is why they changed their name heard it was a scam. But follow the MONEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • PPL is a scam, they sell you legal insurance, but what is that? If you have a legal question, you can talk to an attorney-maybe they will even send a letter on your behalf, but if you need anything more you have to pay whatever the attorneys rate is. So what are you paying for when you can call an attorney and get a free consultation. They also sell identity theft protection, not even going there. They lost one of their biggest sellers of this flim flam service. Chris Hughes among others was getting rich from the work TA was doing. Rising star of our company.

      • P. S. I have always thought this is more to do with PPL than the church. Many people to churches of their choice and profess to be faithful to the churches teaching to appear better than what they are. So I don’t think it matters what faith he practiced. This has more to do with the money he was making at PPL. Follow the money!!

  26. Whether it was Travis or his brother, does anyone find the irony almost too rich?

    The family has changed their story enough times now that they surely can relate to Jody, in at least some sense. First it was identity theft. Now we learn it might have been a brother.

    Shame is a very, very powerful force. It causes people to lie to hide the truth. Truth nobody wants to face. I feel for them, just as I feel for Jodi.

    • I suspect the family and friends are too obsessed with image and vengeance to even know they are irony-impaired.

      • The friends are covering, that’s obvious. So i gather that they must have covered up evidence in his home. So the crime scene was not really secure, This is a strange case. The family you can understand that’s their brother no matter what, but the MONEY HUNGRY FRIENDS that appear constantly on these cheap trashy shows are beyond contempt, and are only self serving parasites.

    • I agree Sam they could have lied several times out of shame. It was all about travis though. What irks me is if this was ID theft by sibling, they had years to get this removed. Yet, where did their energy lay? what actions?

      I think if it was the brother it still shows he came from a violent background ect yaddi yadda.

      • If it was his brother, and the record was never corrected, then it shows the family has demonstrated an ability to protect someone known to use violence.

        Jodi, on the other hand, has no history of violence or jealousy.

          • True Sam, no matter how this turns out it doesn’t look good.
            Can anyone say hypocrites?

            And not that its against the law to be a hypocrite – but the damaging effects of all this information on TA Supporters/family is easily enjoyed on my end.

  27. I hope somebody has screenshot that MySpace page where one of Travis’s friends mentions Travis’s probation.

    I am sure Chris Hughes and company have a ready-made spin on that one.

    • DONT BELIEVE THIS SITE I JUST WATCHED THEY ARE ALL UPSET THAT IT IS OUT THERE FOR EVERY TO SEE AND IM SURE THAT IF TRAVIS DID THIS THEY WILL TRY TO FIX IT TO LOOK LIKE IT WAS HIS BROTHER THEY WILL DO ANYTHING TO MAKE SURE THAT JODI GETS THE DP

  29. I assume this has been brought up before, but here is a comment from Chad Perkins on Travis’ Myspace page. Does this mean what I think it means? “coming out” – huh? And a book?

    Chad Perkins

    “Hey Travis! Good to hear from you man! How’s the book writing coming along? I’m proud of you for finally coming out. Your story will inspire many to follow suit.”
    5 years ago

      • I saw that but since it was a direct mention of his book, I assumed it had to so with the contents of his book – i.e., childhood abuse.

    • wow… I didn’t see this one. I had only seen the one about cruising for young boys.

      • I think it was meant as, thank for coming out with your stories of abuse.
        If you read about some of his stories that I think were being put into this book, its all about the abuse he suffered as a child.

        • Except that the words we choose are very significant in how we wish to convey the meaning or intent behind what we say. Typically, when referring to someone speaking publicly about abuse they suffered as a child, we hear something like “Thank you for coming FORWARD” or words like “Opening up” and “Sharing” are used.

          Rarely, when speaking of abuse do people “come OUT”. That particular set of words is typically saved for the gay and lesbian community. I’m just saying.

    • I suggested that posted the comment and others its there. The truth will set you free & I do believe this sinister group has really done much damage.

  30. Brothers prints were on file. As soon as he was booked and printed they would have discovered the fraud while entering him into the system. His explanation can’t fly. If not updated then Riverside police are look ing mighty imcompetant. Maybe they will make a statement verifying it was TA

  31. Even if these charges WERE against Travis Alexander, the victim is not the one on trial here. There was never a police report filed against him by Jodi Arias, and so these things would likely be inadmissible even if this was a trial regarding his violent behavior toward her.

    I think we’re getting off track. This trial is about whether or not Jodi Arias murdered Travis Alexander. It isn’t about their sex life, it isn’t about HLN or Jane Velez Mitchell or Nancy Grace… it’s about whether or not this defendant was justified in stabbing someone 27 times, nearly decapitating him and shooting him in the face.

    Let’s not forget that this website is not what is important. Justice (whether you believe that to be a “guilty” verdict or a “not guilty” verdict) is what is important here.

    I’m starting to get a very bad taste in my mouth about this whole thing. There is danger in making it about us, and not about what happened that day five years ago.

    • I disagree…the prosecution, and Travis’ supporters portray him to be the perfect Mormon…we now know he wasn’t…if he was arrested for battery, that supports the claim that he has temper issues and possibly a history of violent behavior.

      • Agreed KC.
        They (Travis supporters/prosecution) use any and everything they can to try and smear Jodi.
        But god forbid, we find some damning facts/paperwork, and all of sudden we’re getting off track.
        Don’t get me wrong, I don’t feel we’re stooping to the level of the Pro Travis Sites (calling for Jodi’s death, making fun of her cold sore, etc.)

        I guess I don’t understand though, how this doesn’t have anything to do with the trial?
        Sure, Jodi is the one on the stand – but that’s only because she’s the survivor (which, mind you, I bet doesn’t happen often, that the women survives, thus making this seem so rare and I guess hard for some to believe).
        So does that mean, that whenever something damning comes out concerning Travis and his character that it doesn’t matter, that because we aren’t turning our backs and refusing to acknowledge this information means we’re getting off track, forgetting what this is about? Absolutely not, someone needs to stand up for Jodi, this information needs to be shared (obviously we can’t rely on the media to do this for us), and no one can convince me otherwise.

        I am Team Jodi.

      • Exactly. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Everyone is entitled to express their opinion. And if you guys would rather talk about how awful HLN and Nancy Grace and Jane Velez Mitchell are (and I don’t actually disagree with you there, btw), it’s your choice. I just find debate about the facts of the case to be more interesting, and more pertinent.

        • Also – it doesn’t matter if he was the perfect Mormon or not. I believe he wasn’t. I believe he was mean to her. I believe he never took her seriously. I believe she frustrated him (I find her INCREDIBLY frustrating, myself). I believe he used her for sex. I believe he never intended to marry her.

          And I believe you don’t get to kill someone for all of those things.

          Based on her own words and demeanor, and the physical evidence of his body, I do not believe her story. I ABSOLUTELY respect everyone else’s right to believe her. I just don’t happen to.

          I come here because I like having my opinions challenged, and learning new points of view. But when the debate becomes a debate about the journalistic integrity of shows like Nancy Grace and Jane Velez Mitchell, which are NOT news programs and therefore have no obligation to keep opinion out of the discussion, I am not learning anything or being challenged.

          • I can’t believe I am actually reading this nonsense.

            His Mormon beliefs ARE relevant, hence JM’s exploring this in the prosecution’s case. Travis’s actions ARE relevant. They have EVERYTHING to do with Jodi’s actions, whether she is guilty of murder one or not.

            You are on the wrong board.

            • THANKS FOR YOUR COMMENT THE TRAVIS HATERS ON THIS SITE. AT LEAST THIS SITE LETS YOU SAY WHAT IS ON YOUR MIND. THE OTHER TRAVIS SITES WILL TEAR YOU A NEW ASS HOLE FOR SPEAKING YOUR MIND.

          • So you buy the prosecution’s nonsense that she traveled from Yreka to Mesa to confront him over his going to Cancun with another woman, right?

            Because your posts are more full of you-know-what than a Christmas goose.

          • Sorry that the website does not always live up to your expectations to be “challenged.” Conversations turn in different directions at times – don’t read them if you’re not interested.

        • Well my opinion that the talking point, “the victim is not on trial here” is old and lame. We all know Jodi is on trial, but since her claim is self defense, HOW do you suggest she proves it without telling WHY? She has to give reasons WHY and HOW. She tried to offer a plea, and did not want to “put the victim on trial”, but they want her dead, so her we are……

          • Well… first of all, he isn’t on trial.

            That said, yes, she does need to convince the jury she was attacked. Problem is, the only one saying that he ever did anything violent to her, is a woman who has admitted to lying on multiple occasions, and as one juror asked, why should we believe her now? No one ever saw it, no one ever saw unexplained or unusual bruises or wounds. And before I get attacked for attacking an abuse victim, I am an abuse survivor. I know the psychology. But I also know that there were physical signs when I was being beaten, things I was asked about and lied about… people who could be called to testify on my behalf as a witness to my wounds if I had killed my abuser.

            Also, no one forced her to take the stand in her own defense; as a defendant in this country, you do not have to testify on your own behalf. Once she takes the stand, she is expected to show us something to back up her story. She has nothing. I’m disinclined to believe that, after she wrecked the guy’s BMW and all he did was make her pay him back, he would have been willing to KILL her because she dropped his camera… which didn’t even break, apparently.

            It’s a difficult story for me to swallow.

            At any rate, regardless of whether I’m right or wrong, the legal system only allows certain things into evidence, and you should believe that if these police reports were admissible, her attorney would have admitted them. So they must not be. Or he must not think they’re strong enough evidence, which would lead me to believe that the stuff about it being his brother and not him must be provable.

            • But in a sense he IS because his actions play a critical role in WHY Jodi killed him. It can prove or disprove motive or premeditation.

              Do you even understand anything about how trials operate?

              • I was just going to reply with the same sentiment. This trial is about her life at this point. Sounds cruel but it is. It’s about her and him and what transpired that day that led to his demise and if she is at fault for her actions. Everything is relevant at this point. His religion and beliefs are at the fore front because they were opposite from the way he actually lived his life in most cases. That goes to character. I’m sure some of the Mormon jurors have thought this to themselves. Doesn’t mean he deserved to die but it shows him to be weak when it comes to his moral beliefs as well as someone who hid many secrets from many people. Again, not saying he deserved death just showing that they were both troubled kids in a dysfunctional relationship!

            • She doesn’t have to prove one damned thing. It is up to the prosecution to do it.

              Stop making excuses for Travis’s behavior. Please.

            • I agree, there are physical signs of abuse, but only if it’s physical. And not all physical abuse shows definite signs.

              Mental/emotional/psychological abuse leaves no visible signs, and alas is the hardest to prove.

              I too am a survivor of abuse, many times Jodi has minimized things that she said TA did to her, she is in denial, and and she is protecting him…not uncommon for an abuse victim to do.

              The dynamics of all that went on between Jodi and him are so multi-dimenional, it can’t be summed up with one or two observations.

              • And let me add, as an abuse survivor, we all have a sixth sense and can spot another survivor a mile away.

                Jodi sent up red flags all over the place that she was abused far beyond what any of us could even imagine.

            • Ah…yes I agree somewhat with what you’re saying. However, you are not comparing apples to apples in your example as to how TA would respond to JA when she was responsible for damage to his property. When TA learned of the BMW being destroyed iJA told him over a phone call not in person. And we did hear testimony from his then girlfriend, Lisa, that TA did get angery and did something physical (can’t remember what- telephone slam?) to show his anger. Now on 6/4when the very new and very expense camera fell out of JA hands and dropped to the tile floor right before his eyes.Who knows how much anger TA would have had instantly at JA…and she was right in front of him. The fact that the camera was, for the most part, unharmed was not something TA would have known in that moment.

              I think he picked her up and threw her down to add in getting her out of his way to check the camera. I think the ceiling shot photo is one TA accidently took when checking out the camera and that is how JA was able to roll away and get ahead of him enough down the hall to have time to get the gun.

              I believe it was TA’s gun and that he too thought it was unloaded. Otherwise why would he charge at it. If someone is pointing an unknown gun at you the natural response would be to stop and stand still – not charge.

              I believe the police did not think the closet was not involved and did not check that out as a crime scene. In their reports they state they used the closet as their entry to and from the bathroom as it appeared undisturbed and therefore would not hold evidence. The police also handed the home back over to TA’s family very quickly and TA’s family could have discovered photos, journals, magazines, etc. that showed his sexual “issues” and destroyed them, not even knowing they had anything to do with the event at the time.

              Bottomline too many unknowns and alternative plausable theories to be rendered from the same “facts” to put a person to death.

              • A crime team processed the scene for 3 days. Hard to imagine they missed things as large as in the post.

                Remember she is going for an affirmative offense, Self defense ends where incapacitation starts.That is the law. Do you really think there was no point where Jodi could get away?

                • If JA was defending herself it’s not as if there were medical staff in the bathroom with them running vitals to tell her when TA was no longer a threat. The crime scene looks like JA could have started out defending herself and than had some sort of psychotic break. Unfortunately there isn’t a self-defense plus temporary insantiy defense. Or should she be held responsible for not being mentally strong enough to stay focused and properly assess the threat during the attack – oh and make mental notes to remember everything for the trial. Really, is that reasonable? People who have minor car accidents forget the details or have total memory blanks, it’s not uncommon. Why is it so hard to believe JA’s memory is blank do to nature of this event?

            • But this is exactly why JA has nothing to back her up, because anything that does support her is considered hearsay and not allowed into evidence. Can I ask you why is it that only JA lies are important? Why isn’t the lies and the changing stories of the prosecution not important? For example she bought a 3rd gas can according to the prosecution, but if you really read the reciept he showed, it wasn’t for a gas can. It is okay to you to convict someone to death, based on changing stories and lies?

          • “it’s about whether or not this defendant was justified in stabbing someone 27 times, nearly decapitating him and shooting him in the face.”

            This is common pro-pros board rhetoric too, to name the details of the crime over and over again. We know what the charges are. We get it.

            • my thoughts exactly Kira!OK,hater guys we know what she did already!you are not going to SHOCK us or disgust us by listing the injuries!We are aware of the injuries and guess what??Wr are still standing by that woman!!
              Plus,the ” a woman who has admitted to lying on multiple occasions,” ”no one ever saw unexplained or unusual bruises or wounds” comments!So typical of pro-pros sites! I do believe we are all done with answering the same old 2 brain cell questions.It’s just boring,really!
              This is a DP case and the defense’s line is SD!If people dont get that the victim’s actions HAVE to be brought forward in order to decipher the defendant’s actions leading to the killing,then sorry maybe they need to go away and leave this board as peaceful as it was before they came along.

              • Plus if we’re going to get technical, “nearly decapitated” isn’t exactly true. The spinal cord wasn’t incised like in Nicole Simpson’s case. Travis’ wounds are bad enough without adding extra gore for the sake of it.

    • If Travis had a record of violence it is EXTREMELY relevant! Even if it can not be admitted in court it does prove that he was not what he portrayed himself to be, and what others portray him to be. It is NOT fair for Jodi to be “convicted in the court of public opinion”. Its not right that everyone is free and clear to say what ever they want about her, but we can not offer reason to support her self defense?
      You are right JUSTICE is what we want, JUSTICE FOR JODI!
      Where is the justice in calling her a sexual deviant? In saying she was a stalker? Saying She is a cold-blooded murder? Saying she planned this? There is no justice in that. That has all been proven a lie, but when we show a PUBLIC DOCUMENT with not OUR claims, but the sworn, and signed factual word of the state of California’s court of law, we are putting a bad taste in your mouth????

      • It may be morally relevant, but it is not necessarily legally relevant. If he was on trial for beating her, there’s a shot it would be admitted. For it to be relevant to THIS case, I’m guessing it would have to be a police report filed after he beat Jodi Arias, not someone else.

        • The problem is you want to make excuses for Travis by saying he is not on trial, and that isn’t actually true.

          I think we KNOW this information is not admissable, but that isn’t the point. The point is it is further evidence the guy had a history of violence.

          • The arrest report might not be admitted into the trial but I bet it can be admitted in the penalty phase.

        • If I was on a jury and being asked to sentence someone to death I would want to know EVERYTHING about the circumstances. How horrible would you feel as a juror to find out after you voted guilty and voted for the death penalty that there was evidence to show the victim had some past violence history and were not told about it? How would a juror feel if they voted guility and found out later the DA fought hard to not let the jury see the letters written by the victim, or his journel entries where in his own words he admits to things that supported the defense’s claims? The death penalty should be outlawed, nothing but bloodlust and it costs the taxpayers more to boot. I can understand why some would like to see it remain – for the Jeffery Dammer types out there – but not for this case. The DA has overcharged, something becoming all to common lately when the accused is attractive and the case sensational. Couldn’t be DA’s are trying to get cases on CourtTV to make a name for themselves and retire off of selling books could it? Maybe these trials should not be allowed to air live. I know I would have never heard of this case if it were not for TruTV. Prehaps they should be aired only after the jury’s verdict is in, than mass media will not have played a role in the charges, verdict, or vegilenty justice/hate mongering going on now.

          • Excellent points Me.

            I am conflicted about this topic though. I can’t help but think that , God forbid, if I was ever over charged and being railroaded like I believe Jodi is, I would ask for it to be televised before the disposition, so this group could assist in my defense, if only on a web site. I really believe this site is getting the message out. If for no other reason than it makes these quack “journalists” have to double their efforts to fool the masses, our time is being put to good use. I know I found this site only after being SO DISGUSTED with the media, that I either needed to ignore the entire trial or find some rational people that would look for the truth.

            I also think that televising trials before verdicts, holds overly agressive Prosecutors, looking to win their next election, to a higher standard, that would not be placed on them otherwise. . Can you imagine how much worse it could be without the scrutiny of a group like this. Chances are, that far fewer people would be watching the trial and scrutinizing the behavior of their elected officials if the verdict was already in.

            Just my Humble Opinion.

          • I was just thinking about how proud I was to be on this site and then Dena comes along and posts her very rational and valid opinion, only to be told to get lost and that her post is full of you know what. Dena presented her opinion in a respectful way, yet some were quick to question her intelligence with, “Do you have any idea how trials work’ or something to that effect.

            While the responses to Dena are not nearly as hateful, violent, and outright nasty as those from the Travis support sites, the same basic principle is there. The bottom line is that Dena has every right to feel the way she does. Jodi’s case was as holey as Swiss Cheese from the start. Her lying only expanded those holes. But, she’s human and the magnitude of what she’s done weighs heavier and heavier with every moment that passes. She’s not a hard core criminal with a thick skin to survive prison, she probably thought they’d eat her alive. Hell, I lied my ass off about a petty theft charge because I was terrified of going to jail and getting my face pounded or raped. I’m 5’7” and I weigh…..well, that’s neither here nor there, now is it?

            It’s important that we remember, if we are to support Jodi publicly like this, then we are acting as a representation of her. What’s the general consensus when it comes to Travis’ supporters? That their hypocritical douche bag assholes who are so narrow minded and ignorant, not to mention douchey, to actually threaten bodily harm to anyone who dares to so much as question them. Travis was a firm believer in the laws of attraction and, if one applies that logic, Travis’ friends are doing his image and reputation a huge disservice. But, if this is how you judge them, should you not be judged equally?

            If you want to help Jodi, do so by treating people the way she was always known to treat people. With respect. This is the time, more so than ever, the supporters of Jodi must take the high road, agree to disagree, if you will. I’ve spent a lot of my time pouring over the posts on this site and all of you are amazing insightful individuals. Intellect runs rampant here. You underestimate your influential power over the anti-Jodi community. I came to this site believing Jodi was guilty and I was very set in this belief. However, the points being made here were presented rationally, with sources to verify their credibility, and this alone made the information in the posts so much easier to digest and process. Your posts on here come from using logic while the Travis supporters are caught up in their emotions. Understandably, so.

            Thing is, when our emotions are high, our logic is low if not disabled completely. When it comes to the law, emotion has no place. Or, at least it shouldn’t. The jurors likely won’t even consider most of what was admitted if it has to do with the character of either Travis or Jodi. If they do what is asked of them it will come down to two questions only;

            Did the state prove beyond any and all reasonable doubt that Jodi had driven out to Mesa Az with the sole intent to kill him?

            To answer this question they will ask;

            Did the Defense present a possible, plausible and/or in the least bit probable alternative version of the events that transpired?

            If the answer to the second question has cast even the slightest bit of doubt over the prosecution’s version of events in the mind of just one juror then the answer to the first question is no.

            With no proof the gun was either Jodi’s grandparents or Travis’, the gun now becomes irrelevant. We know the knife was already in the house, there are evidence photos of a knife block the knife belonged to with an empty slot or two as well as photos of the open dishwasher with a knife belonging to the knife block in it.

            This negates the argument that she brought the weapons with her because she knew she was going to kill him.

            The gas cans and receipts and all that jazz is all purely circumstantial. There are too many other explanations for them, thus, they are negated.

            So, yeah, play nice everyone. 🙂

      • Thanks KMiller. you said it, now I don’t have to waste my time saying it again and again. I’m not convinced that it won’t be admitted by the defense. Their case is not over.

        • It’s possible they didn’t have this info beforehand, but on the other hand they might have, and the judge refused to admit it into evidence.

          • possibly. I have been asking about this for a while, and haven’t gotten an answer, so I’m not sure anybody knows about it’s admissability or if it can and will be brought up in the defense case.

            • There was likely a scheduling order issued by the judge that would have set forth the time frames for discovery at the beginning. Ig the defense did not know about it, and should not have known, they can try to get it admitted before their case closes. Or use it to impeach the testimony of somebody else. But whether or not it comes in is ultimately up to Judge Stephens. I would have to know more about the nature of the charges to form an opinion about their admissibility (I’m thinking Shoplifting – no; Domestic Violence – yes), but as far as the conviction goes, no one would have to demonstrate that it was travis. That determination was made by the court in California. The decision is unmolested, and the AZ court can take judicial notice of it. Whether it would get in if offered is up to the judge, and if Nurmi and Wilmott felt that the excluded it unfairly, they could take that issue up on appeal.

    • I agree with you too Dena, ” it’s about whether or not this defendant was justified in stabbing someone 27 times, nearly decapitating him and shooting him in the face.” This is the issue.

      • Thatgirl, am I understanding you correctly that you think Jodi is not entitled to due process because part of her defense is that Travis was abusive? Because that’s what I’m getting from both you and Dena.

        • Not at all joujoubaby. I would have thought that the Defense would have already done an investigation into Travis’s background to see if there were any criminal charges (that’s kind of a no-brainer don’t you think), especially as it relates to abuse because it would help further Jodi’s claim of DV and the need for her to use self-defense.

          I think that if there was anything to these charges her attorneys would have already brought it up as it would go to prior bad acts and since there are no eyewitnesses to the abuse it would help Jodi’s case. From what I have seen so far I don’t think there is anything to these charges but I could be wrong.

          • But you say:

            I agree with you too Dena, ” it’s about whether or not this defendant was justified in stabbing someone 27 times, nearly decapitating him and shooting him in the face.” This is the issue.

            apparently endorsing this previous statement by Dena:

            I think we’re getting off track. This trial is about whether or not Jodi Arias murdered Travis Alexander. It isn’t about their sex life, it isn’t about HLN or Jane Velez Mitchell or Nancy Grace… it’s about whether or not this defendant was justified in stabbing someone 27 times, nearly decapitating him and shooting him in the face.

            But the trial IS about their sex life, at least in part. Whether Jodi was in fear for her life, at least if a self defense defense in AZ is like it is in most jurisdictions, is dependent upon what HER state of mind was. Not what mine or yours or an average person or a juror. Unfortunately for the rest of us, that means that the sex tape, the texts, the broken finger, Bobby, Victor, Matt, Daryl, Bianca, Pre-Paid, Gus, Chris, Lisa, Esther, Deanna, Mimi and yes, Travis and his sexual proclivities are all relevant to that.

            As for HLN, Jane Valez Mitchell, and Nancy Grace, they are the media source from which information on this trial is available. I have posted previously lamenting the demise of the real CourtTV. Plus HLN does not present itself as an entertainment channel and its sensationalism at this point is pure profiteering. Further, they have worked many of their viewers into such a froth as seriously to call into question the possibility of a fair trial for Jodi by rubber stamping the blatant untrue, ridiculous, and incendiary comments of Travis’s friends and family. I think that that is relevant. I think that it is noteworthy. I think that it bears discussion.
            I am saddened and angered when civil liberties are eroded. The crumbling of the Fourth Estate sickens me. You may characterize that as petty and superficial. I don’t.

    • The victim actually IS on trial in a sense because knowing about his behavior prior to the murder can prove motive or premeditation or the lack thereof.

      This is SOP in every murder trial in the country.

    • It is far from off track if it shows Travis had problems with anger and violence in the past.

    • Partial Re-Post:

      …….I don’t know why some people don’t see this as relevant. I’ve been looking at this case as a domestic violence, battered woman’s, sexual assault, abuse of power, and spiritual abuse, self defense case since Jodi took the stand. It is a murder trial yes, but that the State’s claim of murder, NOT JODI’S. The significance of TA’s history of violent tendencies either supports, or doesn’t support Jodi’s claims of abuse (which IS directly related to her SELF DEFENSE claim). The best predictor of someone’s behavior is past relevant behavior, right?

      Also, why are all the talking heads only mentioning the shoplifting and the “little scuffle” with ems, or whatever? Isn’t the part where he was charged with battery or assault against a spouse or partner, just slightly more relevant? Or did I miss something…

      It IS absolutely relevant, and this case IS relevant to all WOMEN IMO. It matters to Jodi’s freedom, and the treatment of women in the future, dealing with scumbags,some of which may blossom into bigger scum- bags depending on the outcome of this trial, and some women (now our daughters, and nieces), who may either blossom into well respected, and believed, strong women, or hushed little sex toys, who bow down and bend over to the the a-holes who remind them of their place in this world (from behind) – also depending on the outcome of this trial, and whether or not HLN continues to get away with their BS. As long as the idiots like Nancy Grace keep talking, then we have continue as well!

    • I disagree also JODI already ADMITTED TO KILLING TRAVIS she does not remember the stabbing an slashing that is the part of the story that has everyone guessing. An I am starting to think a group of devious mean spirited people did this an wanted nothing more than from the first day they met JODI to see her DIE their jealousy an ugliness shows every day on the blogs an sites for Travis.

      If people would listen these same people that never checked on TRAVIS for 5 freaking DAYS ! WED THUR FRI SAT SUN an then on MONDAY NIGHT AT 10 pm WHY? because there was a TRIP the very next day. This is ridiculous HE MISSED CHURCH he MISSED FAMILY MEETINGS he MISSED BUSINESS calls etc etc etc. WTH ! do they all live in California NO right there in the same town!

      5 days no one thinks nothing never stops by an the roommates an roommates girlfriends they don’t smell anything! but Mimi walks in an states the odor was evident when she walked in the house but says Oh I thought the dog had a accident. I am sorry but DOG POOP smells nothing LIKE a DEAD DECOMPOSING BODY that has been there for 5 DAYS ! bottle it up an TEST THAT SHIT ! no comparison at all !

      Everyone is GUESSING an GUESSING because Jodi can’t remember the ONE PART that has all of the PUBLIC in a UPROAR! the STABBING the SLASHING which is really strange how it was done! An I don’t care what these LDS people say there are nuts in every RELIGION that carry stuff out too far an carry on the crazy stuff. An these people got on TV an said OH WE KNEW the FIRST TIME we met JODI we did not LIKE HER she was STRANGE ! clingy had a sexual over tone ! would be the type of woman to steal your HUSBAND. Just ridiculous.

      I wish JODI would have walked away too those snobby B@%#$# seem to think they are all GOD’S GIFT”S an here to JUDGE people. It is apparent they do not tike CONVERTS or at least JODI they made that clear WOW ! I would not feel like talking to them either if they gave off the VIBES I think they did. THE WHOLE STORY after the She shot him STINKS TO ME ! I find it STRANGE the stabs to the BELLY an under the breasts an to the NECK are the same kind it says to do on BLOOD ATONEMENT KILLINGS. Great Frame job for a killing that was excessive but was not left that way maybe WED but was found that way on MONDAY NIGHT. Just my opinion I know a wolf in sheep’s clothing an seen them on tv an blogs a lot lately..

      So Until Jodi says she remembers doing all that stabbing an slashing I really do not believe she did all that. She would have cut her fingers so deeply on both hands stabbing that much an switching hands stabbing. They say a knife almost always slips an hurts the attacker due to all the BLOOD ! she barely had any wounds at all. I just can’t believe she did all that damage until there is some proof.

      An people need to KEEP IN MIND these PPL an LDS people hated JODI way before this ever happened.

  32. But does anyone know why this was not put into evidence or why Nurmi has not put it in? I have a hard time believing that the judge would not allow this in if true because it DOES speak to the fact that Travis had a history of assault???

    • Defense hasn’t settled so we have no idea that this wont be admitted. He might be holding onto this for a reason. If it doesn’t get admitted there must be a legal reason for it. Maybe because the dispute of the identity theft is hersay?

    • The lawful reason was laid out here in a previous post. I’m not gonna look it up (too many post to go thru) but it was something about it could only be used if Jodi could prove she had prior knowledge before she killed him in self defense. If she knew about it then it could have given her reason to fear him, I’m guessing that is why.

      • I agree with you Kmiller. I’m sure JA knew but she’s not going to say anything. I am quite sure that Nurmi has known about this for quite sometime. There is a reason why it has not been brought up….

      • That might be the reason although it would be hersay coming from here because she can’t say he told her. The defense could have called the Lopez guy though to speak to Travis’s behavior. The docs could have been entered into evidence through that channel. This happened shortly before they started dating. It’s relevant in my mind.

        • Here’s a thought……..
          Maybe this info is going to come out through a person who IS / WAS aware of TA’s history.
          Let’s see if it comes out through another person on the witness list.
          I think because Jodi’s testimony was so long, and they put her up so soon, people forget that the defense has only just started to present their case. Jodi is not their last witness.

  33. I was just catching up on the other site. I think I was banned because I can’t comment. I only commented once or twice and it was weeks ago so it’s crazy to me that they randomly blocked me now?? Anyway, I’m amazed how no one on there even questions the validity of the family’s statement and how it can’t logically be true. With the technology that LE has had long before the arrest was made, there is little chance it would have gone as far into the court process being the brother had already been in the system. There are protocols in place or this. They won’t even entertain it because they would have to accept the fact that maybe, just maybe Travis did have a temper at times. Doesnt make him evil or a bad peron just means what it means. He has proven to be a different person with Jodi so maybe they just brought out the worst in each other. Who cares. If this is true it doesn’t mean he deserved to die. It would just mean that he had violence in his past. Just another fact for the jury to weigh. Before this news broke they were all bashing the expert whitness scheduled to testify. If they are all so positive they are right in thinking this was premeditated murder then why so concerned over stuff like this? They are droning on and on trying to make each other feel better over this issues. Maybe it’s false but to not consider that it ould be true is childish and ignorant. They still think it was expunged lol. Hello the paperwork ould not be public record.

    • that is the problem. true identity theft wouldn’t require expungement, it would require a statement and charges reassigned to the brother. We would not be looking at this right now if it were due to identity theft/and or it was “expunged”

      • Correct, there would be no need for it to be expunged, since it would have been taken care of immediately, i.e. as soon as they ran his prints, and the brother likely would have been charged with lying to a police officer, possibly ID theft, etc…People don’t seem to understand what “expunged” means.

      • Confused, I didn’t see your comment before I posted – and agree – law enforcement would have been on this way before it ever went to court!

        …. and if it didn’t …. well, i cannot fathom this is even possible and one would NOT want it corrected.

        Who in their right mind would want a criminal record out there for any employer to find if it was an error?!? GMAB!

        • No one as I also doubt the Riveride Sheriff’s dept would not want this cleared up on their end. Especially now since it involves such a high profile deceased individual and murder trial.

        • MY EX-HUSBAND HAD A CRIMINAL PAST AND HE CRIED WHEN HE APPLIED FOR A JOB AND WAS TURNED DOWN BECAUSE THEY RAN A CRIMINAL BACK GROUND CHECK FOR HIM TO DRIVE A TRUCK…. MY BE THAT IS WHY TRAVIS WAS IN THE PLP PROGRAM BECAUSE THEY DID NOT IF THIS NAME ON A POLICE RECORD WAS THERE AND HE NEW IT AND THE BROTHER THEY WOULD OF FIXED IT AS FOR MY EX IT WOULD OF TAKEN THE GOVINOR OPPS SPELLING TO REMOVE IT FOR DRUG ARREST

      • But if it was discovered post plea – post the person being convicted of the charges – it would require appeal

  34. Ok, heres a stupid question – regarding whom it was that was arrested on ’02. Wouldn’t the Riverside PD check drivers license information and see right away, with their own eyes, that the person saying they were Travis A. and the person standing right in front of them was not the same person – unless the brothers look like twins.

    The guy was arrested and, tho I’ve never been arrested, would assume ones items they are in possession of at the time – wallet – would contain credit cards etc and be confiscated by law enforcement and looked at.

    If he was claiming to be Travis and his wallet info is in Gregory or Dennis or something other than Travis would be a clue to the PD of identity fraud way before any court docs are initiated.

    Heck, if I ever get pulled over I may tell the cop my sisters name and see if he notices that its different from what my drivers license states! 😉

    • Regardless the brother claiming this was him was a convict on parole and his finger prints and mugshots were already in the system. If he had never been arrested I would say maybe this identity nonsense could be true but he was and their spin is idiotic. I felt Beth K and Jean of HLN were a little embarrassed reporting otherwise. I think they felt it was unlikely but went with the narrative.

      • The brother was in the system in 2001. So if he did get arrested in 2002 and use TA’s identity, it would have been caught, the minute they did his fingerprints again. It doesn’t make sense. I am thinking that TA spun this past of his into a story (lemons into lemonade) and used it to sell legal insurance, and he probably even thought his public record would help prove his identity theft story!
        Also, the reason he worked or stayed with PPL – he probably couldn’t have found another job with his record.

    • i KNOW THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WOULD HAVE ATTACHED A RECORD OF THE BROTHER WITH ID THEFT JUST TO COLLECT $$$$ SOME MONEY

  35. Has any one seen “The Godmakers (The First Film) on youtube posted by Robert Skynner? I understand the film is quite old and may be Christian motivated…but if you skip to 39:00 of the film it caught my attention…how the thumb was drawn across the throat. I do NOT believe that Jodi slit TAs throat. I haven’t believed this from the beginning. Perhaps she cannot remember doing so because she DIDN’T do it. Perhaps she fled the scene and SOMEONE else finished him off? Perhaps he wasn’t even dead when she ran. The bullet wound was not fetal and most of the stab wounds were surface wounds.(indicating IMO thrashing self defense wounds) I am wondering if there are any other opinions regarding this. Also, the fact that the prosecution weighs heavily on the “fact” that Jodi was a “stalker”. I am astounded that ANY of this was admissible as evidence; the 911 audio (the part where the caller states “Travis had a stalker” should have been stricken from the record as hearsay. Also any other testimony from Travis’ friends stating what Travis told them should be stricken as hearsay. All the ‘stalker” talk was merely gossip. I believe there is more to this complete crime…any opinions?

    • Dorothy, Is it still hearsay if the person who actually made the 911 call can be called to the stand and confirm what she said and why she said it? I’m not very legal savvy but thought it was only hearsay if there was no one to back up the info that was said.

      In this case there were numerous peeps who were there plus its recorded with the 911 dispatcher.

      Yes its her opinion. But she is entitled to it. And most likely she came to that opinion from the stuff Travis said about Jodi, that she was a stalker, while he, behind their backs, is keeping her on the hook and calling her for late night phone sex.

      • I understand that the reason so many of Travis’ friends believed Jodi was a “stalker” was because Travis TOLD them she was “a stalker”. The witness can say she said it, but as to the validity of what was actual vs. what she BELIEVED to be truth is hearsay. There is an objection by the prosecution/hearsay each time Jodi says “Travis said…” . So, who started the rumor that Jodi was a stalker? It all boils down to hearsay. This on heard it from that one who heard it from another one…there were no formal charges pressed against Jodi for stalking. It is all hearsay.

    • YOU ARE RIGHT ON DORTHY I HAVE STATED THIS BEFORE AND IF YOU WATCH THE U TUB VIDEO OF MARK FERMAN RESPONCE TO THIS TRIAL IS WERE I FRIST PUT ON MY THING CAP AND WENT TO THE POLICE REPORT AND READ AND READ AND READ AND PUT IT ON PAPER AND MADE DIGRAMS OF IT LIKE THE LAWAYER FOR CASEY DID AND WHEN I DID THAT I SAID TO MYSEF THIS DOES NOT COMPUTE ……

  36. I think the larger point here, is that we have quite POSSIBLY uncovered an attempt at deception. Now, this is only for the “court of public opinion” which as we know HLN has been the “director” of…until now.

    I won’t argue whether it should have been or will be admitted in the case, or what have you. Plus I don’t know enough about the legal system, or certain strategies of both Nurmi and JM. They may be completely aware of the entire truth, whatever it is, for all we know.

    And now that we have again POSSIBLY uncovered an attempt at deception (which it wouldn’t be if there hadn’t been the denials that have changed and morphed now, as soon as it came out, namely from Shannon Hogan), it should spurn us and everyone else on to start questioning a lot more….

    Now allow me to introduce Exhibit #2: From the Huffington Post article:

    Dennis Alexander said he tried to get a copy of the original booking photo Monday to prove it was him, but said police would not give him a copy. “They said they would release it to the prosecution,” he said.
    Jerry Cobb, the public information officer for the Maricopa County Attorney’s Office, which is prosecuting Arias, said his office had no information on the shoplifting or battery case.
    “We wouldn’t have any information like that,” Cobb said. “Travis Alexander’s not accused of anything. He’s a victim in our case and it’s not something I’m familiar with.”

    Hmm…..release it to the “prosecution”? This information, like anything else, falls under California Public Records laws (again, which I am not completely familiar with). An attempt to withhold information will be suspect to me….

    And if Dennis Alexander was on probation for something else, then another mugshot and incident report should be available for the crime that put him on probation in the first place. If they really want to squash what’s coming out, if they’re telling the truth, they should have no problem a’tall with releasing a mugshot, from whichever incident (s) Dennis was involved in….

    And again, it’s starting to beg the question…WHY SHOULD WE BELIEVE YOU NOW?

    http://www.change.org/petitions/trial-by-media-is-wrong-stop-the-spin-headline-news-hln-nancy-grace-jane-velez-mitchell-jean-casarez-vinnie-politan-dr-drew

  37. Good Afternoon
    What a day yesterday.
    I found this tidbit of info at Blink on Crime.
    I worry once again.

    Matt McCartney has admitted to forging the “pedophile” letters that Jodi tried to have admitted as evidence (precluded and determined forgeries) and her mother has since tried to sell to the National Enquirer. Matt has immunity and has turned state’s evidence.
    IF this is indeed true….
    -explains his involvement
    -explains why Juan keeps going back to “he is your friend who would never betray you” comments
    – explains the coded magazine message
    – proves she blatantly LIED ON THE STAND

    • This is all speculation, but it concerns me just the same.
      Martinez is a sneaky bastard. I also believe he is desperate to win at all costs at this point.
      I DO see the irony of the A family changing their story now 3 times to explain away the arrest record.

      • What’s the third story? My understanding was TA’s sister had said ‘someone’ stole his identity. It’s not a lie that she didn’t specify it was the brother- she wasn’t trying to protect the dead but the LIVING. I’d be curious to know if the story has really changed, though.

        • Lie #1 – It was a different Travis V. Alexander, not THE Travis V. Alexander

          Lie #2 – SOME PERSON stole Travis’ identity, Travis called PPL who then called the PD and within the hour the matter was taken care, expunged

          Lie #3 – It was brother Dennis, he’s the black sheep in the family, leave it to him!

          • The first one was just speculation from boards. The next two came from (somewhat) official stories. I don’t see a discrepancy between the two, aside from the fact that they failed to specify who “some person” was.

            • Well, SOMEONE and YOUR BROTHER is a big difference to me.
              And I thought I heard from what’s her faces book that she quoted Travis as saying, “SOMEONE stole my identity.” If he knew it were his brother, why would he not say it was his brother. Something smells fishy.

              And how can whats her face quote Travis about something that happened way before she started this book (and now he’s dead, so?).
              I digress…

      • I saw that too, Trixels, and at first had the same reaction. When I look back on the way JM was questioning JA, though, I really think that he was trying to get Jodi to say that Matt would do anything for her, so that if he were to testify, JM could use her statements to undermine his testimony. Plus, wasn’t it to Mat that all of those smuggled messages were directed? He just wants to make Matt look like Jodi’s lap dog.

    • Trixels…the letters were never admitted into court. Thus it does not matter if it is true or not. Juan can
      not say anything about the letters or Matt.

      • Cindy, that is what I thought. If he even mentions the letters, then thy can be addressed in court since he opened that window so to speak. Thanks for reassuring me.

    • I think that’s speculation. Matt is a defense witness, not a state witness as far as I know. As recently as January, he posted here that he would not be testifying at all because he asked Jodi to leave him out of it.

    • GOD I HOPE THIS IS NOT TRUE WE ARE TRYING SO HARD TO FIND A WAY TO SAVE HER LIFE

    • The letters were copies I heard , But The Judge Allowed The Pedophilia based on those letters The letters were not allowed because copies are not admissible must be originals. This is what I heard, I do not think any Lawyer with 1/2 a brain would allow evidence that was an obvious forgery. The magazines are spliced also copies so that is not really admissible Not Sure! Just what I heard. I would really look at the court proceedings and forget all this conjecture,.The big problem I think is memory. at the most crucial moment, Gas Cans and other theories are just theories and can be explained, Premeditation is at the core of this case, I do not see premeditation, or rage, I see fear and an emotional vacancy which can be explained by people who treat past members of Cults these psychiatrist use deprogramming methods for abuse victims who are still under control of a cult.

      • Oliviero,
        The magazines have been admitted. Both of them. Remember he showed them both to Jodi, one was a photography magazine and one was an Us (I think) I remember her attorneys going over each page very carefully before they were admitted. JM had her read from the pages that had messages, then he put all the sentences together on paper and had her read the full sentence. He never brought them up again, which I thought was strange, thats why I am concerned about Matt now.They were meant to go to him.
        The other letters that Jodi had several years ago were submitted to the court for evidence were copies. The court ruled them inauthentic. That was back a couple years ago from what I recall. I am worried about that now, just have a bad feeling about Matt . I am not sure if he testifies, if he could even mention those letters since they aren’t in evidence, but he could mention the magazines. I guess time will tell.

    • i really pray none of this is true.If not,then Martinez is gonna have a field day confronting Jodi with this evidence 🙁

    • Trixels,
      I have been worried about Matt for a week or more. Jodi has mentioned him a few times when asked specific questions, about seeing him on her trip, calling him after the killing, etc. You are right, JM mentioned him the other day, “someone who would never betray you”, and I thought uh-oh.I had originally thought the defense would call Matt for their side. When they(pros) brought those magazines with the coded messages in them up a few weeks ago, I knew they were intended for Matt, but they kinda let the whole issue go, and I wondered why. I remembered the whole thing about those letters, there was a sealed hearing regarding those letters and they were proven to be forgeries, so I knew they wouldnt be admitted into trial. I knew about JA’s mom trying to sell them to the Enquirer too. But now I am really worried about Matt…they could have threatened him with forgery or tampering or something. Ughh….do you think he is going to testify for the Pros? If he does, that is so NOT GOOD. If JM impeaches her on the stand, its over for her.

      • I’m not sure if he will testify for the State…I recall reading that Martinez threatened to nail Matt with perjury if he tried lying on the stand. I think Kermit is getting all of these Matt references in because he’s on the defense’s list. If Matt testifies for Jodi, Kermit can go to town asking him about his previous statements that he’d lie for Jodi.

  38. One way to prove this is to look up arrest records. He would have been arrested, there would be record of mug shot, finger prints, court appearance, etc.

    Not only that, but there would be a victim involved. That victim should come forward.

    Why is the defense only learning about this now? Why wasn’t this info brought up sooner? Seems rather fishy to me. Can they admit this into evidence now or is it too late?

    • Much of this case seems “fishy” to me. I wonder if is too late to admit this evidence…but the judge will most likely rule in favor of the prosecution…some palm greasing?? Ya think?

    • If this evidence is new to the defense team, they can certainly bring it in (if the judge approves), since they haven’t rested their case yet.

      Generally the witness list is done well in advance but new witnesses can be added when new evidence surfaces.

      However it would surprise me if this was unknown to the defense team. Jodi’s been in jail for over 4 years. How could they not know Travis’ criminal history??? More likely I think the judge ruled this stuff inadmissible in a closed hearing prior to the trial and it’s been a big secret until now.

  39. The thing that bothers me about this, in regards to this site, is that we are supposed to be a people of intelligence, a group who fail to be swayed without damning evidence.

    In this situation, there is no Damning evidence proving it’s actually TA who was arrested. We only have letters, one being a citizens’ arrest.

    I think we all need to stop acting like the very people putting JA on trial and look at this objectively.

    • “letters”? – no, we have actual court records from Riverside County…I have no idea whether is was TA or not, but per the court records, he was arrested and convicted…

      • Letters was indeed a poorly chosen word. I haven’t seen the conviction report though, would you happen to have the link?

        Does it contain finger prints? Pictures? TA’s Signature?

        I’m not defending TA mind you, just stating that it seems a bit hypocritical to defend Jodi with this logic, but refuse to use it when something against TA comes into play.

        • That being said the docs we do have confirm he appeared in court and was indeed arrested and charged. I don’t know that prints and a mugshot are typically included. I do know that this information would not randomly be archived with the county if no arrest was made.

          A transcript can be ordered of the court proceedings. Looks like it takes some time to get

          • CONFUSED MY BE THAT IS WHY WE HAVE THIS LONG WAIT TILL WEDNESDAY COURT TO START AGAIN….. ANY REMARK TO THAT

            • Tonya, I believe these dates have been shown as dark on the court calendar for quite a while. When they picked the jurors someone mentioned one or both of the days being unavailable, and for some reason both were on the calendar as no court.

              I read about this in the local papers, but I can’t quite remember the exact details.

              I don’t think the delay was sudden, or has anything to do with these latest issues in court and with the arrest.

          • Doc One, The court entry stating the charges, along with a writ of a PRIVATE citizen arresting T.A.

            Doc Two, A writ stating TA failed to provide a Financial Disclosure form.

            Doc Three, A Warrant for him to appear before the court for Failing to provide a Financial Disclosure form.

            Where am I supposed to be seeing Convicted of anything?

            • I’m referencing the documents found on the Riverside PD website.
              I’d have to go back to previous posts to find this link, think SJ linked to it at the top of one of the pages too?
              Not the 21 page document, the actual link to the website where you type in the information to pull up Travis’ arrest.

              • I’ve seen those. I’ve got one under my name for breaking and entering in RSide, so I know how riverside’s system works.

                As I stated, just playing devil’s advocate here, not defending the “Spin” or TA.

                • Pyromie –
                  I think the issue with you playing Devil’s Advocate is that all weekend, Monday, & now today we’ve been listing all the reasons it seems highly likely this arrest was indeed Travis, not Dennis.

                  I feel pretty confident this is true and I’ll eat my words if proven wrong, I can admit it when I’m wrong. Its the Pro Travis Sites and Media that cant.

                  Thus the spin on this whole debacle.

    • Pyro, I could care less if it was Travis or the brother.

      What if disturbing is the possible attempt to hide the truth. Why the uproar and attempt of damage control?

      Even if it was Travis in the arrest it has zero bearing on the trial.

      What matters to me is what is truth.

      • If these documents are factual and Travis did exhibit violent behavior to someone other than Jodi it would be relevant to the case. It lends credence to Jodi’s allegations of Travis’ violence toward her His hot temper, according to Jodi, is what ultimately lead to the self defense.

      • Agree Rainy. I’m more concerned with the potential cover-up than I am with who got arrested. In the end, the jury won’t be hearing about any of this anyway.

    • No, these are public records filed, sworn, and signed at the Riverside California Court House. No one on here tried to pass letters off. You are right we don’t make false claims. These are not our claims they are the claims of the COURT. You might want to fact check further, there are court minutes and official arrest records. No one here pulled these outta their ass.
      If they did happen to be not TA, then fine, but that needs to be addressed with the courts, it is their documents, we only discussed what we found.

      • The fact is this site is not the one that first brought these up; it was one of the pro-prosecution websites.

      • But there are court documents and minutes claiming JA is a murderer, and that it wasn’t self defense, yeah she hasn’t been convicted yet, but still, here we are, defending her from a false charge.

        We don’t KNOW personally that it was him in court. We don’t.

        Really, It doesn’t Matter if it was or wasn’t him.

        We KNOW he had anger issues, from testimony from both JA and others.

        It has no pertinence to the case.

        • The chances are overwhelming it was him.

          Sheesh. Please don’t buy the friends trying to spin it like a top.

          • Believe me, I truly don’t care what his friends or others say.

            I’m going off my own principles here. If there is no damning evidence, he gets the benefit of the doubt. Same with JA. There is no damning evidence, so I choose to believe her.

            • The difference is Jodi is still on trial whomever this person is was sentenced to 3 years probation. I’m sorry but you are not correct in your comparison. Further more it is most certainly pertinent to her murder trial ( if true which I feel it most likely is) because it goes to his demeanor and character.

              • I agree it may not be pertinent to the trial now but it does make a difference on how I see Travis Alexander. Just like me going back on My Space pages an seeing how he conversed with friends. I did not get the picture that his LDS AN PPL friends painted for me I got a whole different look from seeing words he actually typed an could feel how his personality truly was. Just like the Sex Tape. Had I not heard that myself I may have believed the other side of this the prosecution side. But I know by looking around an reading from 5 an 6 years back into his life Travis was not a virgin an not a Saint. An Jodi was not some Whore looking for a Mr. Money Bags with a BMW that was a piece of crap that he sold to her for too much that was losing his HOUSE ! that was not keeping his head above water very well. That borrowed a laptop from a friend? on an on an on………….

                Geesh if she wanted a Mr. Money Bags she passed up Gus Searcy if she was a true GOLD DIGGER she would have snagged him up !

              • We all know that she has freely admitted to shooting him. We aren’t debating that here.

        • Please read ALL the documents. You can’t have the intelligent conversation that you so desire without being fully aware of the subject at hand. The arrest record reads CONVICTED! Yes the words convicted. There are no other names, an ‘AKA” or alias which is what would show if his brother was the culprit.

          • Doc One, The court entry stating the charges, along with a writ of a PRIVATE citizen arresting T.A.

            Doc Two, A writ stating TA failed to provide a Financial Disclosure form.

            Doc Three, A Warrant for him to appear before the court for Failing to provide a Financial Disclosure form.

            Where am I supposed to be seeing Convicted of anything?

            • Pyromie, the PRIVATE citizen arresting him was likely the employee of the grocery store who detained him until the cops got there. That’s what happens in a shoplifting incident.

        • Dont most of the charges say “CONVICTED” or something like that next to them?

          If Jodi’s court minutes say “CONVICTED” next to them, then we’ve got some major issues concerning our court system (not that we don’t already, but this would be EXTREMELY concerning).

          Correct me if I’m wrong here…

          • No… you correct M, Kmiller, tonysam. Its HIS records CONVICTED from the court. Why not blv it? They are trying to hide it to protect TA. If it hasnt been admitted and it Nurmi cant get it in idk why (maybe they hadn’t researched it). But I dont agree, that it DOESNT have anything to do with the case. They’ve been looking for any prior violence from Jodi. And If they’ve bought Jodi’s ex boyfriends to testify to any prior violence and they’ve gone as far as to make it look like Jodi so overpowered Ryan Burns during there grinding session. Then why wouldn’t TA’s prior records be relevant to this SD case?! She IS claiming SD from someone that was violent towards her, can this not be proof?? Is this what the family n others so afraid of?

            If I was a juror in the case, I would DEFINITELY want to know, wouldn’t you????

        • Jodi has not been convicted yet. The court documents show a conviction. This is what the official documents say, we simply found them and posted them.

          • Yes, I was referring to Travis’ documents saying CONVICTED.

            And pointing out that if Jodi’s court document says CONVICTED then we’ve got real issues, as her trial clearly isn’t over.

            Think my post was confusing, didnt clarify very well.

            • If they said convicted, the court would feel the wrath of every user here fighting the injustice, haha.

              • We’d have to rush (in a bad way, not a good way) the court house.
                No other option.

                🙂

              • But if court records of an actual conviction are not enough to convince you, I doubt that my logic would be either.

      • Well said Kmiller. I don’t think the spin is going to stop, no matter how solid the evidence is. For goodness sake, now they are saying that Travis wasn’t the person in the “sex” tape, even though it has been admitted into evidence.

        • Are you kidding? Where was this mentioned? He isnt the person in the ky pictures either right lol. Please ….the prosecution hasn’t even disputed the fact that that is Travis ‘s voice. Next they’ll say Travis cell phone didn’t send those texts nor did his email address ever email her! Hell maybe next they’ll say they hardly new each other lol!

          • Dr. Drew said it on a promo for his show last night, that he had a friend of TA on the show to say why it couldn’t be TA on the phone sex tape. But then when Dr. Drew started to ask questions of the guy he wasn’t answering the way Dr. Drew thought he would, so it didn’t work out for Dr. Drew.

        • What I’m trying to prove here isn’t some “Spin”. It’s the fact that there is still NO hard evidence it was TA. NONE. The courts have been wrong before, have they not?

          You want to be an objective, intelligent collective, you must do so on ALL fronts, not just those that may aid Jodi.

            • I’m sorry, Py. I take offense to your suggestion that we are not open minded on this site. Additionally, accepting as fact that someone was convicted of a crime based on court records obtained from that court seems, well, whatever the opposite of naive is.

              • I take offense also I don’t see anyone on here cussing an spewing hatred like I do on the pro Travis sites an if this was the other way around there would be HUNDREDS of hate comments right here already that is the difference.

            • Pryromie or however, you spell it,

              The family LIED using a book writer to do their dirty work. they told several stories. In case you haven’t noticed, this is a DP case.

          • Right, Pyromie. But we have court records. There is a reason we have courts of law. It is to establish FACT. Court records ARE considered hard evidence.

            If Jodi had gone to the police after having her finger broken, or when Travis strangled her and she had bruises on her neck, then it would be considered hard evidence. Unfortunately, like most victims of violence, she kept silent.

            But someone who was assaulted by a man calling himself Travis Alexander didn’t stay silent.

            • I just thought about something. Can someone search for this Mr. Lopez guy on fb or something? ? I would but I dont have fb I wouldn’t know how to.

        • It wasn’t him on the tape now either? My goodness. What is this obsession with painting him as a flawless angel?

      • If someone produced court documents that named Jodi Arias with the same birth date and same city of residence, and it said she was convicted of burglary, shoplifting and battery, would you have any reason whatsoever to doubt they were authentic? Probably not. What if she denied it and claimed to be a victim of identity theft, would you believe her? So when someone produces court documents that name Travis Alexander with his birth date and city of residence, what reason does anyone have to doubt they are legit? It’s only now that the family has come up with a distraction story that people are questioning it.

        • but there are reports from before TA’s death that state he reported his identity stolen along this timeline. Are we to ignore them?

          Really, It most likely was TA.

          Honestly, I could care less, he was a scumbag regardless.

          The point is, don’t put on your blinders like the Nancy Graces out there, keep an open mind.

          • Pyromie –
            I get your position here, keeping an open and all; I’m just saying, if it walks like a duck and talks like a duck…

            • I’m just playing Devil’s advocate here, pulling strings.

              We as a group just need to be a little more open minded to some of the possibilities in this case.

              This is also something Martinez should do, if he weren’t just going for a conviction, and actually working for Justice.

              • How much more open can minds be? What is this you are talking about “report” that TA made claiming his Identity was stolen? What happened to your need for HARD EVIDENCE? Shanna Whatshername? that’s your proof?

                • Kmiller, I think you are misunderstanding me, and I apologize if I haven’t made this clear.

                  I’m simply showing both sides of the field for this.

                  I’ll provide an example.

                  The court documents against T.A. Show Convicted. This we know to be true.

                  Let’s theorize for a bit. Let’s say J.A. is convicted of Premeditated, first Degree Murder.

                  Does this mean she actually did it? Or that the jury was swayed by Froggy’s Prosecution techniques?

                  Let’s say T.A. admitted to being guilty to protect his brother, who actually committed the crime and did so using TA’s name.

                  Is it really about what we believe, or what can be proved?

                  The likelyhood of this scenario is slim, but it still means we need to be aware of the possible anomaly to the story.

                  We can’t just CONVICT based on speculation. That is what the Prosecution is trying to do with Jodi.

              • OK
                I believe its Possible but NOT probable, Also the explanation was very swift didn’t seem there really was ample time for them to get evidence to the contrary other then the word of a Brother. Lets remember now WHO LIED YES HE LIED HE IS A LIAR. So is he lying now or before which story should we believe so we have Travis Brother LYING, So I gather Jodi Arias is not the Only Liar. Travis Brother Tells Lies. Its a stupid excuse & perhaps the same PPL place provided Mr.Alexander with the same type of legal lies that was provided for Jodi Arias. So my advice stay away from PPL. Which I heard Stands For Pathetic Perverted Liars.

                • Pyromie- I think I’m understanding you completely, Ann I’m understanding that you are back-peddling now. I don’t appreciate how you came at this situation. You should have researched before you started accusing others of talking out of their asses. Not Cool-
                  Now you are still comparing apples and oranges. It isn’t if I FEEL the arrest record is true or not, it has a plea of guilty and a conviction.
                  Jodi is not convicted and she has plead not guilty/ self defense.
                  NOW- If she gets convicted, then I can believe she is innocent all I want but just as with Travis the record will show convicted, and there will be nothing to argue.
                  I’m not trying to convict Travis with speculation. According to the official record he pled guilty and was convicted by a JUDGE.

                • Kmiller, you are putting words in my mouth. Not once did I say ANYONE was speaking from their rear.
                  Also, You have plea of GUILTY by reason of self defense in this case. Jodi is guilty of the murder (per her own words) but only because she was forced to defend herself.

                  What if the research being done by Riverside’s courts (read the recent posts by MB – Team Jodi does come back as it being the brother? Won’t you feel a bit foolish for jumping to conclusions?

                  I’m not calling anyone names, or saying anything against Jodi, I’m simply stating that we don’t have all the facts yet, and it’d be unwise to jump to conclusions.

            • Well whay else can we do?? We’ve git the court records. How do we get the mugshot, we’ll SEE who this TA was ???

              《《《 How do we get a mugshot? 》》》 if we have to pay for a mugshot, plz let me know. Maybe we can all work towards it.

              • I don’t know if Mugshots from back then would be public access or not. It’d be interesting to see, put to bed the “Spin” haha.

            • Actually no, I’m not quoting some hack writers work. I’m presenting a probable situation, and examining the reactions of those who claim to be objective. Good Research though.

          • Py, what reports before his death are you referring to? And if they were credible, (i.e., Travis was aware of the mistake) why wasn’t the record corrected prior to his death?

        • I SAID THIS YESTERDAY THAT THE TRAVIS FRIEND WOULD SQUASH ALL OF THE SLUTHING THAT IS DONE ON THIS SITE BECAUSE THEY WONT TO CONTINUE WITH THE DP IF WE FIND OTHER EVIDENCE THE PROVES SHE IS NOT LYING AND TRYING TO TELL IT LIKE SHE SAID IT WAS THEY WILL SQUASH IT TOO. BUT DONT GIVE UP THE HUNT TO FIND THE TRUTH ABOUT ALL OF TRAVIS’S FRIENDS THAT ARE READY TO HANG HER BEFORE THE TRIAL HAS EVEN ENDED YET AND THE DEFENCE HAS NOT MADE IT UP TO THE STAND YET COME ON

  41. Omg why are they still on the Cancun thing??? Jodi KNEW he was going months before with someone else. And about Mimi she didnt jnow ut was her until AFTER!!!

    Oh someone on HLN just stuck up for the “stalking” accusations! !!!

    • I agree. Enough already. On the phone sex tape she sounded like she could have cared less about the stupid trip to Cancun. What I want to know is did his friends still go on the trip?

        • They did. Several of them were on one of those HLN shows saying how sad it was to go without Travis, and there were pictures. Actually, that so-called psychic woman went with her husband and also showed pictures from the trip, I believe.

          • That “psychic woman” is a nut case (IMO) who wanted to be in the spotlight, her 15 minutes of fame so to speak. I was embarrassed for her when I saw the interview.

          • Why am I not surprised? “Our friend is dead…but hey, these tickets to Cancun aren’t refundable!”

        • I feel like NG had pictures on of Cancun same night a friend was on. This is what raised the question

      • YES, his friends went on the trip to Cancun.
        One of Travis’s PPL friends got a text right before leaving, said Travis is dead.
        He said that they went on to Cancun and I believe it was JVM that said oh, I’m sure it wasn’t as [leasant as you hoped it would be.
        He agreed and said his PPL friends would talk about it when he arrived.

        Strange, right?
        What about the girl that was supposed to go with him. I guess she wasn’t that concerned until they all got back.

    • Yes an they talk about it on that tape a little bit even. He says he may come to visit after that trip but was not sure because Mr. Alexander was going to be so busy……………….(puke)

  42. watching the medical examiner testimony again…. both in testimony and in the Flores report, it is mentioned that they have seen people commit suicide this way.

    Is there a possibility that Jodi could have done the shot, the stabbings and then left; Travis realizes he is going to die so grabs the knife to atone himself in order to get into heaven? even if the pedo stuff is a lie (and I dont think it was a lie) he had to have known that according to Mormon faith he may not get into heaven because of all of the other things he was doing.

    • never-mind my comment, I am going mad I think 🙂 he couldn’t have done that to himself without massive blood being all over the shower

      • Most Mormons nowadays (being a member of the LDS church myself) don’t even know about the once existence of the Blood Atonement Prayer, in which they prayed that our enemies would slit our throats and cut open our bosoms should we reveal the sacred ordinances of the temple.

        The only reason those of us DO know, is personal research into the history of the church, and it’s practices, Research I did before choosing to become a member.

        • Is this knowledge someone like JA would have, being a newbie to the church? Or how about TA would he have known about it? Maybe in his last moments in this life he asked/ordered JA to preform it on him, as a way for them both to atone for their mutual sins….possible?

          • Possible, but unlikely. It isn’t something you have someone perform on you, it’s something you WISH to happen upon you by an enemy. The church still believed in “Thou shalt not kill”, so no one would want to damn their fellow member or family to hell for performing such a thing on you.

            • So if TA knew of this attonement and thought of JA as his enemy ( which is fair to say he did in that moment) he could have ask JA to do it, but she being a newbie would most likely not know this would damn her to hell. Sounds more plausible by the moment to me as a reason for that final horrific act.
              That being said someone in my area recently committed sucide by slitting their own throat, so it can be done. However, since no knife was found near TA I think it can be agreed he did not attone himself….if that is the reason for that injury.

        • There have been cases and although all Mormons may not do that some might, I don’t adhere to that he did it to himself but some times People become fundamentalist on their own and think they are going to be more authentic. But Blood Atonement has been practiced. Who knows I do not see Jodi Arias slitting his throat doesn’t make sense. To me.

          • Oliviero, what you aren’t understanding the blood atonement isn’t the ACT of violence, It’s a PRAYER asking for said acts to happen to you if you reveal the sacred ordinances. It was PRAYED in the 1800’s, and taken out of practice by the LDS church in the 1900’s.

            You speak about it as if the church members did said slitting and cutting etc. but they didn’t.

            • It was Practiced there is documentation whether it is a fundamentalist group remains to be seen but Joseph Smith was a criminal. and there are many groups that do adhere to Fundamentalism. The slashing of the throat is just weird in the context of the crime, I have heard different spins on this theory, but it doesn’t really fit. Jodi Arias had relations with him she states she was afraid we all heard the tapes does not seem like Travis was a devout Mormon from his sexual practices.

              • http://exmormon.org/d6/drupal/bloodatn

                While many Mormon scholars would like to scoff at those who have seriously studied this matter, there is incontrovertible proof that Brigham Young, the second prophet of the Mormon Church, publicly preached a doctrine called “blood atonement.” Although one might think that the name of this doctrine came from the atonement of Jesus on the cross, the truth of the matter is that it relates to people being put to death. Brigham Young explained this in a sermon given on September 21, 1856:

                • That page does nothing to prove it was an ACT, and not just a prayer.

                  Oliverio, have you read the bible before?

                • Psalm 137:9

                  “Happy is the one who takes your babies and smashes them against the rocks!”

                  Hosea 13:16

                  “…They shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up!”

                • Just two examples, but there are many more.

                  Does this mean they practiced such things?

          • That was a practice
            Sorry all Scholars Agree about this Practice LDS changed its teachings on this but This was done.The requirement of bloodshed for capital crimes grew into the idea that salvation would be blocked unless this penalty was adhered to, as the “law” would remain “unfulfilled.” The belief of the necessity of spilled blood and death to make restitution for adultery and murder was aided by a generally favorable view toward capital punishment, the idea that spilled blood “cries out” for retribution, the “blood for blood” doctrine that says crimes of bloodshed should be punished by the spilling of blood, and the concept that repentance requires restitution. Although the scriptures in Alma 34 of the Book of Mormon speak of the “requirement” in terms of a legal obligation, Brigham Young described blood atonement-worthy crimes as actually negating the salvation offered by Jesus, stating that a sinner’s crimes “will deprive him of that exaltation which he desires.”
            Joseph Smith, Jr., the founder of the Latter Day Saint movement, was a strong proponent of capital punishment, and favored execution methods that involved the shedding of blood as retribution for crimes of bloodshed. In 1843, he or his scribe commented that the common execution method in Christian nations was hanging, “instead of blood for blood according to the law of heaven.” Years before making this remark, however, Smith was quoted as saying that the hanging of Judas Iscariot was not a suicide, but an execution carried out by Saint Peter. In a March 4, 1843 debate with church leader George A. Smith, who argued against capital punishment,Smith said that if he ever had the opportunity to enact a death penalty law, he “was opposed to hanging” the convict; rather, he would “shoot him, or cut off his head, spill his blood on the ground, and let the smoke thereof ascend up to God.” In the church’s April 6, 1843 general conference, Smith said he would “wring a thief’s neck off if I can find him, if I cannot bring him to justice any other way.” Sidney Rigdon, Smith’s counselor in the First Presidency, also supported capital punishment involving the spilling of blood, stating, “There are men standing in your midst that you can’t do anything with them but cut their throat and bury them.” On the other hand, Smith was willing to tolerate the presence of men “as corrupt as the devil himself” in Nauvoo, Illinois, who “had been guilty of murder and robbery,” in the chance that they might “come to the waters of baptism through repentance, and redeem a part of their allotted time.”

            • In 1920, R. C. Evans, a former member of the First Presidency of the Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints who had left the church, wrote a book called Forty Years in the Mormon Church: Why I Left It!. Evans accuses both the RLDS Church and the Utah-based LDS Church of advocating “blood atonement” and associates the alleged practice with the “Danites.” In response to denials by both churches that the practice had ever been implemented, Evans wrote:
              Thus we have the President of the Reorganized Church and son of Joseph Smith admitting, as well as apologizing for the rash statements of his father and other leaders in the old church, and then we have Joseph F. Smith of the Utah church using about the same argument to excuse the language and murderous conduct of the Danites in Utah. All we care to say is reply to both of these descendants of the original prophet and organizer of the Danite Band is, that when the leading members and officers of the church for many years teach and practice, by threats and murders, ascribed to the Danite Band, then we believe the public is justified in denouncing such language and conduct, and affirming it to be the doctrine of the church.[62]
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              • Oliv-
                Can’t imagine anyone arguing with you on this topic. Must be some peeps have not been reading your previous posts. LOL

              • Oliv,

                Please forgive me if you’ve answered this question already … I can’t keep up with all of the comments!

                You’ve written some very interesting comments about Mormon blood-atonement. Do you believe that TA’s throat was cut because of this historical practice? I’m unclear as to how you’re linking TA’s death to blood-atonement.

                TR: many practicing Mormons have been taught that blood-atonement is a historical myth. I think that is one reason why some Mormons claim that blood-atonement never existed.

                • Lisa
                  Sorry I never saw this comment I am guessing but The Throat Slitting seems ritualistic and was part of Blood atonement no matter what many try to say today it is was part of the Doctrine of Mormonism. They will say like the Muslims say Holy War is really an inner feeling not Literal That’s a lie. Not True, I thought First a woman states on TV Jodie impressed her as being in a Cult, Travis brought her into this community, which operates like a cult, there are many very nice Mormons but the doctrine is weird to say the least the Founder was a complete degenerate and that is an historical fact that cannot be disputed. Jodi has no history of violence she has family problems like many. But she enters this cult which uses what psychiatrist define as Love Bombing Control etc. A psychiatrist on Court TV states that he believed she was abused, he seemed very reputable unlike the silly commentary that has flooded the air waves. He stated the killing looked like she was a victim of ritualistic abuse. There are Brain washing Techniques used in these cults that is why you see this group thought. All these Pyramid Schemes owned by Mormons operate the same way that their so called religion does. The Ross institute has written much about Cults. In the slitting of the Throat these sick people believed that spilling blood was the only way to redeem oneself from sins. Slitting the throat ear to ear. A high Ranking Mormon Left after 40 years because he knew the Church had taught this. They pretend they are Christian but do not adhere to Christian teachings in this cult you can all be Gods While the , Christian theology would have to note that there is a tremendous amount in Mormonism that is neither true nor good. Further, because Mormonism presents itself as a form of Christianity yet is incompatible with the historic Christian faith, sound pastoral practice would need to warn the Christian faithful: Mormon theology is blasphemous, polytheistic, and cannot be considered on par with the theology of other Christian groups. So in the absence of a Higher Power your Mentor i:e Joseph Smith becomes your God. Listen to Jodi say deify which she uses maybe incorrectly diatify Take away his God Like worship she has stated this over and over why she would not speak against him.

                • Thanks for your response, Oliviero! I very much appreciate it. I understand your previous comments as they relate to the case much better now!

          • OregonMom,
            I posted that yesterday There are also friends of Travis stating he didn’t have sexual relations, so I do not believe that a person who is not interested in the Truth and brain washed by a cult will be interested in the authentic History of The Mormon Church and its grotesque Doctrine as recorded by many scholars, Just as we all heard the Sex tape. This killing is related to the Teachings of The Mormon Church, & to deny it is simply ignorant. The Slitting of the Throat was ritualistic, you need not be Sherlock Holmes or Or Oliver Wendell Holmes to see this particular type of killing by persons who belong to this Cult, and since Jodi & Travis were very ignorant of The Mormon Doctrine about sexual acts etc. They seemed quiet uninformed it is not a leap of faith to believe That fundamentalist behavior can exist with many. So just as ALL Mormons do not practice Sodomy etc Some do and Some are capable of practicing this. We all know about the outward appearance versus the truth. You Will Know Them By Their Fruits. Joseph Smiths Fruits were rotten.

      • Maybe we are both mad, Renee. I’ve thought of that too. Or that he did it as a way to take control. I have a dear friend who was in an abusive relationship and her ex used to take pills after they fought. He’d make sure he did it in front of her. Then she’d call for help, and he’d deny it.

        I’ve also considered that Jodi did it afterwards, as a way to point the finger at someone else? The throat is the one injury I cannot comprehend.

        • that is probably accurate. it would make sense for Jodi to do it if she really loved him and thought he may go to hell…

        • I seriously doubt that TA could have cut his own throat that deeply, if at all. The bullet went through the prefrontal cortex and frontal lobe of the brain. That would have profoundly effected his problem solving and reasing skill.

          In addition, the depth of the cut would have differed significantly on his right side vs left because he was left handed.

          I think this is an interesting idea; perhaps one or more of his other wounds were self-inflicted?

      • Right and wouldn’t it take a lot of FORCE to get that deep in one slice??! Iv akso question that. Would Jodi have that strength to do this?? Iv also wonders if she could’ve done it from underneath TA, while he was on top still attacking her.

        • in watching this again, I see that even the ME agreed it was likely that the back wounds were made by someone in front of him and reaching over his back. This totally aligns with self-defense. If he were attacking her, or lying on her, this is how those wounds would look.

          • Yup!!! Iv always thought this was done by someone else n jodi is covering because shes scared. BUT for her SD claim, iv always pictured Jodi on the floor struggling to get away, stabbing as fasr as she can, as hard as she can. Not being able to get him off of her, she slit his throut from underneath using both hands. And that would also be SD to the max, there was no way she could’ve gotten away without the damage that she was forced to use.

            • LC totally agree with you, I say the intruder story IS the true one. I feel somebody got to her and out of fear she changed her story and decided she would take the blame. I just feel this is her personality and would rather take the blame to protect the people she loves. If they had taken her plea, we would have never heard about Travis and his ways,,,,but we have heard for ourselves how Travis was no Goody, goody as his friends claim.

              • I would like to add, she never said she shot him. she said the gun went offhand she didn’t think it hit him. As for stabbing and throat,,,her answer is I don’t remember.

            • Would explain her statement of coming to in the desert covered in blood. For surely there would have been plenty if that is the position she was in(under him) when the throat was cut.

            • If he is close enough and on top of her for her to stab his back and slit his throat from underneath, how does she also stab him in the chest and abd with the knife going straight in with a slight upward direction?

          • I have always thought the back wounds came from him being on top of her and her slashing at whatever she can reach. I don’t know about slitting his throat from this position…she would have be covered in blood. Seems like it would take a lot more then a quick sponge off with a water bottle to clean up.

            • Well she doesnt remember,. Im sure that she would’ve bern covered in blood, but all those 20smthg wounds, she must’ve been covered in blood anyway.

        • No according to my hunter husband who has cut up a deer, it’s pretty easy to cut the throat, there are no bones, except for the spinal cord, I’m trying not to be gruesome here, but according to his experience, once you have a small cut, the rest of it tears pretty easily.

          • Uuuugghhh I know, TB. Just the thought of it!!!! Thanks for the info, that was something I wondered but didn’t know how to ask. Thx

      • But we don’t know if there was massive blood that was rinsed down the drain, because they didn’t do luminol on the shower. Sloppy and even one of the jurors asked about whether or not the shower was checked for blood.

      • Well you have to figure Wed Thurs Fri Sat Sun an then Mon at 10 pm until he was even found so nothing is impossible anyone could have tampered with the scene. Jodi had a LOT OF HATERS way before this even happened.

  43. Just a Thought:

    If the spinner’s logic is correct then we can assume that, if Jodie gets convicted, all she will have to do is say she was she was covering for the real person who committed the crime, as she was a good Mormon trained by Travis A. to do this type of thing. You know….cause that’s just the kind of person she is. Then she won’t even have to serve so much as probation.

  44. Has anyone seen the movie Dear Zachary? It’s on Netflix Instant, for those of you who have that. In short, it’s a documentary about a killing that bears more than superficial similarity to this case. I was wondering if anyone who has seen the movie and followed this case has any thoughts.

    • I’ve seen it, Thom. I fail to see the “more than superficial” resemblance at all, actually. That movie was about the failure of the Canadian justice system to protect a child. It was about bureaucracy that let down a family and allowed a mentally ill woman to continue to have access to a child, even after she’d abandoned her other children. She had a long, documented history of mental illness, stalking, and being abusive. The man she killed was in NO way abusive towards her.

      I guess the only resemblance I can see is that both women killed a man.

    • There is no similarity other than as stated, the fact that they both killed a male.

      Seriously already….

  45. Quick questions for you regulars:

    Does anyone else think there are posers here? Seems to me that there are pro Travis folks posting here, trying to pose as a Pro Jodi/Justice poster?

    I’m quite tired today, so I many be wrong?

    • Lol no… your right. There ARE posers/ fakes!!! Someone posted yesterday a fb account where there saying that they come here one in a while to get a reaction from us. They also think we’re law students! !! Lol they have no idea how stupid they look. Iv noticed it since I started coming here, since the 7th day of trial. They come here because they’re bored on they’re sites and they want people to argue with.

      Lets call these posers, LOSERS!!! : )

      • LOL. Today I have no tolerance for it, so won’t be as diplomatic as yesterday. I say ignore them and they will scurry back to the dark and shady places with the other vermin. We all know they have a lot of places they can go. Keep up the good fight freinds

      • I saw that too! They DO think we are law students! I am a paralegal, but a very new one still learning.

        • They call us crazy phycos but they think we’re all law students. What does that say? That we have intelligent conversation, thats why they keep coming back.

    • I feel like there are. They start to show their true colors and then when questioned on facts we have been over again and again back off real quick.

    • Most definitely. When I see certain subjects I can almost time a response from particular posers.
      I don’t care I just want to preserve THIS site for it’s purpose to support Jodi. The other 50 sites are available for the haters pleasure.
      Sorry if the haters cannot provide thought provoking conversation, I think that says something…..

      • not to mention boring!! it really isnt worth answering back to them.once in a while there’s a troll alert but i think most of us are used to it by now.I say they go comment on the gazillion pro pros sites/pages/blogs etc etc! Let’s keep this place ”troll free”

      • Thanks MB and regulars:.

        I usually have some patience for it, because it gives them a forum to show their incredible and overwhelming ignorance. Just after a while, they need to shut up, because they are just plain ridiculous and irritating to intellegent people.

  47. I would love to ask on the FB page if they feel Travis was any less of a liar than Jodi. If Jodi had died 6/4 you think he would have lied at the start? We know he lied about being a virgin due to his religion so killing someone is a pretty big sin. We also know he lied about his contact with Jodi

  48. Does anyone know how to look up the court minutes? I found this on that site that shall remain nameless:

    Motion 3/12/2013
    3/12/2013 MOT – Motion 3/12/2013 NOTE: TO COMPEL; BUSINESS RECORDS FROM WAL-MART AND TESORO

  49. I’m sorry, did JVM actually say you always see things like this because trials like this go off the rails! HLN is the one that made this trial go off the rails to begin with. No verdict out, yet all they say is how Jodi is a liar and a murdering liar, blah blah blah.

  50. Dena,

    Here is the situation as I see it. Even though he hasn’t made his closing argument Martinez, through his questioning is implying that Jodi came to Mesa with the intention of killing TA. And furthermore that this was motivated by his rejection of her, and possibly his going to Cancun with Mimi Hall. The stuff with the gas cans and deleted pictures, and rental cars, etc all leads to that argument.

    Now here’s the problem as I see it.

    Assume that one was going to go visit someone with the hard intention of killing him. Further assume that this person (the victim) lived in a house with 2 roommates. Further assume that the person visiting arrived at 430 AM. Also assume that the person was due in Utah the next day. And lastly assume that the person was armed with a gun and did not want to be caught. Now also assume that the killer has an IQ of about 100 (basic average intelligence).

    So this person does the following:

    Steals a gun.
    Rents a car 100 miles away from home.
    Wants to make sure they have enough gas so that they don’t have to refuel in AZ.
    Dyes her hair to a different color.
    Turns off her cell phone since she knows that as she roams through cellular territories there is a record, even if she makes no phone calls.
    Removes the tag off her car.
    Walks up to the house at 430 AM or thereabouts.

    AND GOES TO SLEEP IN THE VICTIM’S BED?

    Shoot the guy at the door and be gone. That’s how the normal person would have done it.

    Okay, so she’s real tired and wants to take a nap before she goes about the shooting. Alright. So she wakes up in the morning and of course can’t fire a gun because she doesn’t know if the roommates are in. So she goes about having sex with the victim. Then they go downstairs for breakfast.

    SHOOT HIM NOW AND GET THE HECK OUT OF THERE.
    But no, you sit down and try download pictures off a CD. OK maybe she just wants to have one last visit before killing him. Then they have sex again and go upstairs and have more romp time. Well maybe she’s a sex addict? So she can’t keep away from a last good fling. OK, we’ll give you that. So now they go to the bathroom and take pictures while the victim is showering. Well maybe she’s smart and that’s a way to wash off any transfer forensic evidence. Great.

    So while he’s in the shower make an excuse to go to the bedroom for a second. Just a simple “I’ll be right back” would probably suffice. Heck if the plan works he will soon know why she went to the bedroom.

    GO GET THE GUN AND SHOOT HIM NOW.

    But the ME now claims the shot was later.

    INSTEAD SHE GETS A KNIFE AND STARTS WHALING AWAY AT HIM?

    All the while the roommates could have come back, or could be back or anything.

    WELL MAYBE SHE DIDN’T SHOOT HIM BECAUSE SHE DIDN’T WANT TO ALERT THE ROOMMATES.

    So instead she knifes him to death. and THEN SHOOTS HIM?

    I guess that was after checking that the roommates haven’t shown up yet.

    But then she takes the time to run the washing machine and spread water o the floor and try to clean up and everything else.

    Oh but she didn’t care if she was caught.

    THEN WHY LIE TO THE COPS?

    Because she is suicidal and wants her case to be so bad, that they will put her to death.

    Ah so now I get it.

    See this is the problem I have with this case.

    • NICE post AL!!!!!!!

      (Jodi’s life on the line is serious, but that did make me laugh…)

    • Great analysis, Al. Have you been able to post that on any of the anti-Jodi sites? (I would understand if you didn’t as those people can be kinda scary.) If you did post, I’d love to see the mind-bending responses you received. Your logic in impeccable but somehow those people who need to defend their current position, no matter what, in the face of the very best logic, can come up with most interesting and brain-twisting responses, almost comical if they weren’t so unnerving.

      • Renee

        Don’t go to those sites. I don’t go to sites that espouse hate for anyone.

        As a matter of fact almost got of this site earlier today when some crap started floating around. But I see sanity has prevailed.

        • Thank you Al. For the post as well as for not leaving. Your contributions are invaluable.

        • Al, your comments add so much to JAII. You’ve challenged many of my assumptions about the case which I very much appreciate!

    • Al,as sad as this whole situation is(and as Bee Cee already said,it’s Jodi ‘s life on the line here) your post did bring a smile on my face!See?That’s how brilliant this site is,bright people with a great sense of humour!!

    • AMEN! This seems to me to be the essence of the prosecution’s theory and how inane it is to a reasonable person…. I seriously hope there are some reasonable people on the jury….These words could be Nurmi’s closing arguments.(or Wilmotts(?)..not sure of spelling. There may be light at the end of this tunnel after all. I hope Jodi is okay. Sometimes I just want to give her a hug. To be alone, carrying this burden would be more than I could handle.

    • Thanks AL,
      In a nutshell, that’s how rediculous the prosecuters case against Jodi sounds.
      It make no sense,

  51. I wondered if the stb wounds on his back were made from underneath him during a struggle. Even so doesn’t explain clearly if it was in self defense. That will spend on if the jury thinks the gun shot happened first or last. The jury’s questions seem to show imply confusion over the gas cans and their fear regarding if they should/can trust her after the lies she has admitted to, the few sex and their relationship questions tend o make me feel they believe her side of ths. Regardless I’m not sure either side has old them 100

    • But confused, JA says on the stand she did not want TA to get on top on her, and I think she was trying hard to make sure that didn’t happen. Looking at those wounds on the back it looks like he really did and most of the struggle was the two of them on the floor. And I’ve been saying I didn’t know how the neck wound happened, then my husband showed it could be done with TA on top of her.Because she could have been blindly slashing with the knife and not really targeting the throat, but it happened. But how did he get in the shower? Can’t figure that one out.

  53. Lowest of the low?????
    These journalist???????????????????????????
    What in the hell?
    So he’s dead?
    Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, Don’t speak ill of the dead.
    What if one one the girls that was killed by Ted Bundy, pr the many other husbands that have killed their wives had been lucky enough to
    be the survivor, by killing him.
    Would they be saying OH don’t speak ill of the dead.
    Hive mr a break!

    Sorry, JVM, NG, Vin, brooks and the rest of you look how you’re speaking of Jodi.
    Someone that had never commited a crime, but ONE tome she defended herself.
    Where are the women lawyers like Wendy and Gloria???? What happened to them?
    I thought they knew about abuse.
    I don’t give them ONE once of credit for knowing one damn thing about abuse.
    I’m mad as hell at all of these screamimg idiots. They’ve had Jodi guilty from day one.
    They don’t know shit!!!!

  54. Folks,

    A couple of things looking at the court minutes.

    Someone’s been busy. Looks like the State has added to their witnesses/evidence. Also looks like some hearings went on Friday and yesterday. Also the motion for subpoena to Walmart and Tessoro. I’m guessing that’s Nurmi-Willmott. Don’t know what the Monday hearing was about.

    I’m guessing the state added their rebuttal witnesses on Friday.

    Does anyone know if AZ allows a sur-rebuttal?

    • Yes, but why was JM asking JA about returning the gas can if he didn’t have those records before. Was his question based on just a phone call made. Of course the answer to his question about a gas can being returned would be no, because it was a kerosene can returned. So he made a phone call and based on that, he implied JA way lying?

    • Al, that’s a really good question. From some research on case laws, I believe surrebuttal is allowed in AZ. I wonder if someone could ask Vladimir Gagic that question specifically (assuming he would be gracious enough to answer). However, since the defense case in chief is not over, it may not be necessary, yet.

      • Someone pointed out that the bank statement was not chronologically accurate. So Tessoro’s records may be able to show when that $19.65 was actually charged. Also as we discussed earlier, their duplicate receipt rolls may show what made up the purchase.

        In terms of Walmart, the issue would be to show whether in fact a can matching the one Jodi bought was returned, or some unknown item for that value was returned. Remember Martinez’s hypothetical question “Would it surprise you if Walmart said no gas can was returned that day”. Well let’s get an answer to that question.

    • Okay law student, lol, how would this look if the defense can prove a kerosene can was returned like JA said it was and the $19.95 was for something else beside gas.

      • JM would sure have some egg on his face.

        I hope Nurmi has the sense to bring out some of JM’s questioning tactics. Someone here had given an example about the purple sky form of questioning. I think Nurmi ought to extract a few such trains of questions out of the record and read the exchanges back to the Jury. I know that can be done in closing.

        Obviously I have no idea of what Nurmi/Willmott’s plans are but here is what I feel they need to do:

        I think they need to produce a witness that directly counters the ME’s assertions with respect to the impact of a 25 ACP bullet. This should be relatively easy to do, but can only be entered into the record through a witness. Jennifer saying it doesn’t do it for evidence. An attorney’s arguments are not evidence.

        Also, if they can, they need to dispose off this gas can issue.

        They need to enter in some evidence that shows some level of anger/violence issues on the part of TA.

        The first will chip away at the ME’s credibility, but more importantly it chips away at the whole prosecutions credibility in that you can show they changed the story and claimed a set of “facts” to fit their story.
        The gas can issue seems to be bearing on the Jury’s mind and JM is making hay in that sunshine. That needs to be stopped, just like the broken finger issue was put to rest.

  56. New Show on HLN tomorrow at 10pm with all the hosts to wrap the day by giving a verdict.

    Another thing to all those that come on this site with nothing but ridicule for Jodi. Why don’t you just blow it out your country corn crusted assholes.

    We are fact finders not followers of the dip shits on HLN.

  57. Nurmi and Willmont are going to vindicate Jodie of the gas return and prove she returned a Kerosene can. Eat that dirty Sanchez.

  58. I also wanted to add that JVM, NG, DOCTOR (LMAO) Drew, Mike Brooks, Vinnie P. ,Beth, Jean Casarez,
    Gloria Allred, Joey Jackson. Wendy Murphy.
    Plus all of the laughing jack asses that just show up and make jokes, like this is funny stuff.

    These are the LOWEST of the LOW

    IF they would do their job instead of jawing and laughing and lying to us, have some real investigations done to tslk about and facts, that wouldn’t leave the public so confused.
    Some times you have to find fact yourself.

    Graceless says she wants the facts???????????????????
    Sure she does!!!

    • They really are a bunch of sensationalistic tabloid mongers. I wonder how they are actually able to sleep at night. They try to portray themselves as intellectuals, in their fancy suits and grins but the garbage that spews from their mouths reveals otherwise. Their snarky comments and biased opinions are being made just to bring the ratings up on a lousy half ass news station. Once upon a time they had the opposing views to counteract one another (both sides?). Now its like a lynch mob. I can’t seem to get over their behavior. There is a young woman who is facing the death penalty here. This is NO time for them to be mocking and behaving with utter immaturity. Shame on them ALL!

      • I hate to watch the station any of them are on and I honestly know that I will not watch In Session or HLN after this trial is over. Like I said before, I tape it, therefore I pass fast forward their hate.
        I swear they’re on a rush/high or whatever to get Jodi the DP, facts be damed. They talk real loud, their eyes nearly pop out, laugh and grin, it’s unbelievable.

        I gave up KVM, NG, Vinnie and Dr. Drew about 3 years ago. I loved Joy Behar, but I guess they told her to do the same, so it was 5 hours of hate that I learned to live without.

  59. Not buying that mugshot unless it is attached to a number that is attached to a case that is attached to a ..well..you know…and find it interesting that in the photo on the post, no numbers appear….And I would say it’s not Travis and it does look like the guy got pummeled. I’ll give ’em that! And I applaud Riverside Police for making this effort and the Huffington Post! (Still though, Shannon and Dennis got some ‘splain’ to do….:)

    More later….

    http://www.change.org/petitions/trial-by-media-is-wrong-stop-the-spin-headline-news-hln-nancy-grace-jane-velez-mitchell-jean-casarez-vinnie-politan-dr-drew

  60. I will say this again…The 3 charges on Jodi’s bank statements for Tesoro DO NOT HAVE TO BE FOR GAS. Yes she admits 2 of them are – but the $19.65 could be for soda, chips, nail polish, maxi pads, preparation h – ANYTHING BUT GAS. The 3 gas cans are a ridiculous point that a**hole Martinez keeps harping on. ENOUGH about it already. The fact that there are subpoenas to Walmart and Tesoro is insane. He is going to say “no record of your refund” from Walmart’s records – and Tesoro’s records will show what? We are talking 5 YEARS ago – they probably do not even HAVE THEM anymore.

    In comment to AL’s post…I question the exact same questions but I add – Jodi was supposed to have had the time to take pictures, put the sheets in the dryer, start a new load, and all the while leaving NO FINGERPRINTS???? Did she suddenly put on gloves – that she took off BEFORE stabbing him because she admits she had to wash the blood from her hands in the desert. It makes NO sense. Plus, she left his room a bloody mess – left “blood” stains (“kool-aid) stains on the rental car seats, had blood on her hands yet NEVER dropped a drop of blood on the stairs, in the foyer, on the front door of TA’s house???????

    and I will NEVER believe the roommates NEVER smelled anything for 5 days…

    Sorry to go on and on. I’ll shut up now. LOL

    • I had a friend who’s mother died at home, she had a terminal brain tumor, so no need for police involvement. She had called funeral homes to pick her mother up, but no one would without upfront payment. She told me that her mother layed in the bed for a week before she could come up with the money. She said the house reeked so bad and no matter how much cleaning she did, she couldn’t get the smell out of the house.

    • Yes Janeen, the haters are too stupid to realize that having the bank statement really meant nothing because the transcations were not in order, so she could have even gone a different day, or different time of day.

    • Janeen Russo,
      Exactly!!!!
      You can buy many things in a gas station, except lottery tickets.
      So they don’t have a case about how much gas she bought by the ticket.

      They keep going over and over that becausr they don’t have proof at all of any premeditation.

      That house was a bloody mess.
      No blood on the dishwasher ever.
      Camera in washer.
      I agree, Jodi probably was talking about 2 people.
      In the trial when she said 2, Martinez jumed like a frog and objected.

      And the roommates are more likely the ones are responsible.
      Why is the media so protective of the roommates.
      Billings is so fake.

      Some from PPL that went to Cancun, they all knew he had died, but no one was curious until 5 days later as to why he died??

      • I imagine they are getting the records from the gas station, it will show when/ what time the card was swiped. Where the bank statement just shows the day, not actual time.

  61. Let’s say this is the brother. And the police department is only coming aware of this now. Does that mean Nurmi NEVER checked into a possible record? Wouldn’t that be standard?

    • I bet Nurmi knew about this and that case would not have been admissabe anyways but why the family did not fix this prior in such a high profile case doesnot make sense!

      • On the State vs. Jodi Arias FB page they have the mugshot up saying it proves it was his brother. It is not attached to anything proving it was from the 2002 arrest. Heck, it could be from ANY of his prior arrests.

        • I doubt Nurmi did not know about this. I would be shocked to learn that he hadn’t run a thorough background check on Travis. Therefore, it may have been ruled inadmissible? As to why? Perhaps because Jodi was not aware of it.

          I was looking up some AZ law on the subject (again, I’m not a practicing lawyer and it’s been years since I went to law school so I could be way off). There appears to be considerable discretion available to a trial court in allowing “other act” evidence, particularly in self-defense cases, under AZ Rule of Evidence 404 (a)(2), and 404(b). In State v. Connor, 215 Ariz. 553 (App. 2007) @ 558-559, a defendant claiming self-defense may use specific acts of a victim’s violent conduct to show the defendant’s state of mind. But this would only be admissible if the defendant has knowledge of the victim’s violent acts.

          • Wow Also- That seems so unfair. So if you don’t know that the person who beat, and raped you had been violent to someone else, the jury won’t hear about past violent acts? Since this is a DP does this change to allow more evidence in?
            Thanks as Always

        • Yes KD I noticed that too. There was no booking number under the photo, so it could be from any record. But we’re still waiting for fingerprint verification from Riverside police, that should be coming up soon.

  62. One time I was in Petsmart in the cat food aisle and there was a dead mouse in the back of one of the shelves on the bottom – I smelled it IMMEDIATELY and did NOT need to see it. LOL A decaying body is THE most horrid smell! (I do not know if TA’s house was equipped with central air – being in Arizona I would assume so, however if not…the smell would have been UNBREATHABLE). Give me a break they never smelled anything. The stories from the roommates is insulting and more than fishy; I think it’s pretty sh*tty how several of TA’s supposed friends all have clamored for their 15 minutes of fame – they are either being interviewed or sending in “never before seen” videos…nobody questions their motives…

    We will see who/what comes out of the woodwork tomorrow and what surprises they bring.

  64. this from Huffington Post comment:

    ravenslvr
    80 Fans
    5 minutes ago ( 5:19 PM)

    Huffington Post is trying to take credit for a discovery that they did not make. A Jodi Arias innocence website is the one that found this and turned it over for more investigation. Huffington post had NOTHING to do with this.

    • Well, if we want to get technical, it was the State vs Jodi Arias site that can take credit for bringing this forward. We just dug up a couple links and shared them. lol

      I’m actually glad that the Huffington Post got involved. There was no way I could take HLNs word for anything, not after all the lies they’ve told about Jodi. That way, a neutral party could figure this out.

      • But Arianna is a friend with a lot of these media people, why do you think huff post picked it up so fast to debunk it?

  65. If Riverside screwed up this badly (and, yes that is pretty bad), I don’t know if you all realize this or not, but it could open them up for scrutiny with other cases.

    It would be a bad bad thing for them, and a good good thing for defese lawyers with clients in that system.

    • That’s what I was thinking. How could this have slipped past them? Especially with the prior?

  66. Mugshot
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/12/travis-alexander-arrest-record_n_2861418.html?ref=topbar

    Obviously not Travis
    If this truly wasn’t Travis’ record, I originally thought it was Dustin who may have done this. I am also familiar with how ID errors post conviction works (one needs to appeal post conviction, expungement would be malpractice ) so I thought expense may have been the reason why Travis did nothing with it. Not what I would do, but have acquainted with people who have not appealed due to expense and have had to later deal with such when it does matter legally ( the ID error charges can effect sentencing for a current charge) .

    Now however, after looking at the brother’s record, I can see why Travis did nothing with it. He was probably quite angry, but knew could potentially could result in a 3 strikes and you are out situation for his brother. What a dilemma.

    The tell in this will be what Riverside does from here. If they charge the brother, and with the situation I don’t see why they would not and I imagine JM will push for such hard, there will be no doubt remaining that it was not Travis.

    • I don’t think the brother will be charged with anything. If the police didn’t charge him when they first found out right after the arrest, why charge him now?

  67. From Travis site, comment made by sister Tanisha:

    Tanisha Sorenson
    My brother greg got messed up on drugs when our father died, but after he went to prison and used Travis name,he had felt so bad , he hit rock bottom and he never did drugs again. Greg is a good man and lives a righteous life now, we have some kind of bad actions in our past, I know I do, but what is important is that we learn from our mistakes, sometime it takes hitting rock bottom to do so. Travis forgave Greg because Greg changed his life. Its to bad these JA supporters try there hardest to trash our family, dont they know the defense would of used this if this were Travis. Oh well, now its all cleared up. Travis has never comitted any crime other then traffic tickets.

    • It’s would HAVE, not would OF (grammar pet peeve)!!

      And sorry, Greg is not a good person if he did something so vile to his brother. I don’t care if he “felt so bad” afterward.

      • I disagree, Kira, respectfully. I know a lot of individuals who have done things that were just as bad, if not worse, to their family members to feed their addiction. Greg is just as much a victim of his childhood as Travis was of his and Jodi was of hers. Two adults consumed by their addiction can not raise 6-7 children without exposing those children to some level of the despair and destruction addiction promises. As a result, one can not expect all of those children to grow up without, at least, one of them following the only examples they were led by. A mother who does meth during her pregnancy can not do near as much damage to her unborn child than she could do if she did meth while raising it. I’m not saying, in any way shape or form, that using any drug while pregnant is remotely okay. Rather, I’m simply saying the damage is not nearly as severe.

        To judge someone with such finality and harshness as to say they are not a good person because of a poor choice they made in the past, one they feel remorse for, is simply unfair. I’m sure you have made some poor decisions in your lifetime and, regardless of those mistakes, you seem to be a wonderful person from the comments you’ve posted. Personally, I have and continue to fail so regularly and on such a grand scale, there is no other way to say it than to just say I’m thisclose to perfecting failure and I can tell you with 100% certainty that my awesomeness rages on unscathed.

        Greg is human. He fucked up. Travis is human. He fucked up. Jodi is human. She fucked up. Greg and Travis were not bad people even though they made bad choices. Those choices were made because they were raised by a disease, not parents. Does this excuse their actions and free them of any responsibility for the affect those actions had on those closest to them? Absolutely not. Jodi is not a bad person because she killed Travis. She killed Travis because she felt she had to in order to preserve her own life. Does this excuse her actions and the affect it had on those closest to her and to Travis, as well? Absolutely not.

        Excuses do not exist for the mistakes made by Greg, Travis, and Jodi. But explanations do. When we listen and consider the explanations behind why the mistakes were made, we have a better understanding of them and the people who made them. Forgiveness comes next and it must come without condition. If Travis forgave Greg, so should everyone else. If Jodi forgave Travis, so should everyone else……and it’s not like the guy didn’t pay the ultimate price for his bad choice. Now, it’s Jodi’s turn. Perhaps, the reason why it’s so difficult for so many to forgive her is because Travis is not here to forgive her first. People comment on how Jodi refuses to show remorse. I don’t see this but, then, I tend to look deeper than the surface. I don’t often see remorse from her either, however, I believe this is because she and Travis made peace already the night he died.

        Jodi stated in an interview with Flores, “Travis knows I’m innocent.”

        I think this is more revealing to the way that night ended than it seems. But, I’m saving my theory for my upcoming post. It’s gonna be a doozie. A really, really, really, incredibly long doozie.

        Upon proof reading this post I see that I went TOTALLY off topic in my infamous tangent hopping manner. I apologize. 😛

    • This wasn’t about trashing the family. No, they do that all by themselves by lying about Jodi and who Travis was. They knew this trial would be high profile; and they knew the record would surface eventually but they didn’t take care of it. Why?

          • Ya no kidding, what’s with all this ‘expunged’ talk? Got caught in that lie so they had to move on to the next one. They probably have a book of responses/scenarios all planned out for when these things arise. “Ok, number one on the list didn’t work, let’s try number 2….”

              • The only reason the world is getting to know who Travis really was, and all of this humiliating testimony in the court on national tv is because of his family’s hate. This could have been avoided by his family, when Jodi asked for a plea deal, but they wanted Jodi dead so bad they are/were totally willing to let national television hear a sex tape, see nude pics of him, ect…

                • Their desire for her to die makes me wonder why, could it be there is something they are afraid will come out? And with Jodi dead, the secret is safe? They certainly seem to have some skeletons in their closets that every so often jump out… (not that we all don’t have things in our past we’d rather not toss out for discussion)

                  I could be off the wall, but at this point nothing would surprise me about anything anymore….

      • gonna sound really mean right now this comment is to blame lol(Tanish’s).Firstly ”Its to bad these JA supporters try there hardest ” :learn how to spell girlfriend!! (cheap shot,I know)
        Second:if they didnt want this out,they should have settled for the 2d degree plea! They brought this to themselves,it’s no use crying over spilt milk,right???
        Thirdly:making us sound like stupid naive people,who would dig up anything just to trash their family as if this is the ultimate goal and dream of our life really sounds naive on her part!Who do they think they are??Some famous celebrities that the mass is preying on,watching their lives unfolding because theirs is too boring so gossip is a way out?We are here because we demand Justice for Jodi,if it’s too much to bear that there would be people who would lean towards the defense then they dont live in the real world!

  68. Oh, the dredging of the truth continues….

    “We are checking the fingerprints to make sure if we had same person or different people,” Martinez said. “We do have two people who are booked — Dennis Gregory Alexander and then Travis Alexander, so we sent it to our records people [and asked them] to do it as soon as possible.”

    ……………………………”two people”…..and two sets of finger prints…..both the same finger prints or two distinctly different finger prints???

    Just received, to which I replied, “yes, please.”

    Hi Sandra,

    I just received your request for the crime report ER02066050. Travis was not the suspect in this case. He has never been arrested in Riverside County. The arrest you are referring to was Dennis Alexander. Dennis used Travis’ name. If you would still like a copy of the report please let me know.

    Thank you,

    Sgt. Lisa McConnell
    Public Information Officer
    Riverside County Sheriff’s Department

    http://www.change.org/petitions/trial-by-media-is-wrong-stop-the-spin-headline-news-hln-nancy-grace-jane-velez-mitchell-jean-casarez-vinnie-politan-dr-drew

    • Identity theft isn’t all that uncommon. I wonder what procedures are to deal with it? It’s strange to me that it wouldn’t state that somewhere.

      • Yes, I wonder why the records weren’t amended somehow, to reflect this since the police found out so early on that it wasn’t in fact Travis. Maybe they kept the record in it’s original state in case Travis came forward? Who knows…

        • Still doesn’t make sense – that would mean that not only Riverside Co screwed up, but Travis went along with it to protect his brother, and in the process had a criminal record for something he didn’t do.

          Long story but I’ll try to shorten it – many years ago someone stole my wallet. This someone went on to commit burglaries, was arrested and used my name and ID – he was released on bail and skipped his court date. The police showed up one Friday night at my home and took ME to jail. Luckily my father was an Attorney with connections.

          This was before advanced computer access and internet, so they had to literally send a Detective to the County where he was arrested to match the prints. Once they saw the prints didn’t match, I was released that night.

          I never had a record and no need for any further action. It was simply corrected once the error was discovered, though my father insisted the Chief of Police write a letter saying I’m not that person, which I carried in my car.

          So, I guess my point is, not only did Riverside Co screw up big-time, but Travis HAD to go along with it since it was never corrected.

    • So it was Travis’s brother. That settles that.

      It still doesn’t prove that it was not self-defense

  69. Hey Everyone,

    I just wanted to put it out here that I have set my phone alarm to go off daily at 10:00 am Phoenix time. At that time everyday I will be praying for a Higher Power’s will to be done for Jodi, the jury, and her team. Anyone who wishes to please join me. If there’s one thing I know is true, it’s the power of prayer. It certainly won’t hurt. This should also help me with the powerlessness and anger I’ve been feeling around this trial and the media circus.

    • Natalie,I do pray for Jodi and also send out white Light every day! Thank you for doing that also.

  70. Just got the report in my e-mail….one of you admins,can you give me an e-mail and I’ll attach it to you?

  71. So is this mugshot from the march 2002 arrest? Has this been confirmed. The article reads like they are still trying to verify. I knew Riverside would publicly respond. I thought the brother claimed they figured it out right away? How did they still not realize? This is nuts

  73. *TA ARREST REPORT (10 pages)* – now added.
    Link at top of page.

    SJ
    Team Jodi

  74. So they are admitting they screwed up? I’m sure the Facebook page is all about “I told you so” but in our defense by looking at the public records there was no way to know this wasnt Travis . Can ‘t blame people for wanting he truth. Especially since even the police dept doesn’t seem sure how this could have happened. Especially since Dennis claims he went to jail over it.

    • They can say “I told you so” all they want, the fact is most of the time the public record does not have these mistakes. The logic of the pro-Travis crowd is, now, that anyone who has committed a crime can then claim to be a victim of identity theft without proof. If the world were run by their mentality, employers should never ask employees about criminal convictions, and Nancy Grace would not have a show to display the rap sheets of suspects.

      It’s nobody’s fault here that Riverside did an oopso. I don’t even blame Riverside – shit happens you know? I have no reason to believe that this was an intentional error.

      An, unlike the Travisites, I can actually admit when I’m wrong. 🙂

  75. So I caught the comment that says Dennis Alexander’s mugshot is floating around twitter. Has anyone found it yet?

    Quite interesting because Dennis himself said in the Huffington Post article that he couldn’t get a copy of his mugshot. How convenient.

    Fact is, mugshots are public domain. Anyone can get anyone else’s mugshot. Now that the records are publicized, everyone has the ability to verify for themselves who was arrested that day.

    I still think HLN would have been waving the mugshot of Dennis around if it really was Dennis.

    HLN folks are still looking pissed today. lol

  76. Well I can’t see Travis stealing cold medicine so it’s to bad we didn’t have this yesterday. Would have made it a hell of a lot easier to believe the family without the need for additional proof. I still think its crazy that it got so far and the records were never corrected.

  77. By the looks of it the defence wasn’t aware of this either – I don’t know if this is stated above but they filed a motion to get the criminal records of Travis today

    3/12/2013 MOT – Motion – Party (001) 3/12/2013
    NOTE: TO COMPEL CRIMINAL HISTORY OF TRAVIS ALEXANDER

        • Maybe it was due dilligence on their part. Maybe they learned something we didn’t. DO you know whether travis has ever been arrested before anywhere in life?

      • Hummm I do wonder why this wasn’t done a year ago. Vinnie just might get his Madalock moment in court yet….but it will not be the one he was hoping for… Somethings up….they wouldn’t file a motion without knowing something.

        • Which motion? The Walmart motion? I’m thinking he was bluffing since he made that comment to her on the stand about their return records without even having them in hand yet.

            • Some news reporter (sorry, I don’t remember where I read this) called Willmott. Willmott said that the defense never checked to see if TA had a criminal record.

              This surprises me … a lot.

    • I’m not surprised they hadn’t checked. They don’t seem to have much money for defense. Only wealthy people have enough money for experts and all that…

    • Ummm, no it doesn’t look like the defense found anything on TA
      Party 1 is the state
      It is the state that filed the motion for public records and it looks like the state filed the Motion to Compel for Walmart and Tesoro too

      • On the site though it says party 1 for all motions – even some that are obviously made by the defence!

  78. We will learn that it was indeed Travis’ brother who was arrested and gave Travis’ name to avoid the consequences of his behavior. Of course, we have also learned that TA was a big fat liar regarding the expungement express lane offered by PPL, but this is not of much significance.

    Nevertheless, it was good work from all who investigated this issue and brought it to the forefront.

    • I just posted below yours…. if Dennis was arrested on March 7 2002 for these crimes and fingerprinted at that time, and those prints revealed he was actually Dennis (not Travis), and he was detained on a parole violation, how did he attend court on March 11 2002 as Travis Alexander? Inquiring minds want to know.

    • Expungement express lane…LOL! I picture a line of cars heading toward a PPL “Get your expungements here!” booth on the highway!

  79. In yesterday’s article it says “Dennis Alexander said he committed the crime and falsely identified himself to arresting police officers as Travis Alexander and passed himself off in court as his brother.”

    Later in that same article Dennis says “”No, I never went to court on that,” he said. “I figured they ran it concurrent, because I did a 12-month violation on that. I assumed that his name would have been cleared. It apparently stayed under his name.”

    So he did a 12-month stint in jail for parole violation, is that what he’s saying?

    If on March 7 2002, the day he was arrested, his prints revealed he was actually Dennis Alexander, how did he manage to go to court four days later on March 11 2002 as Travis Alexander? If he was kept in custody for parole violation on March 7 as Dennis Alexander, there is no way the police would transport him to the courthouse to answer to charges as Travis Alexander. Still not making any sense.

    03/11/2002 1:30 PM
    DEFENDANT REPRESENTED BY DPD-RICE.
    DEFENDANT PRESENT.
    DEFENDANT ACKNOWLEDGES THE COMPLAINT REFLECTS HIS/HER TRUE NAME AND DATE OF BIRTH.
    DEFENDANT ARRAIGNED
    DEFENDANT WAIVES CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS.
    DEFENDANT WAIVES RIGHT TO JURY TRIAL.
    DEFENDANT WAIVES RIGHT TO CONFRONT AND CROSS EXAMINE WITNESSES.
    DEFENDANT WAIVES PRIVILEGE AGAINST SELF-INCRIMINATION.
    DEFENDANT WAIVES HIS/HER RIGHT TO COUNSEL.
    DEFENDANT PLEADS GUILTY TO COUNT(S) 1 2.

    • I don’t believe that prints can be compared instantly to know records when you are booked into jail. California hasn’t got a system to do that to my knowledge.

      It may take a while to figure it out. When you are convicted of a crime they do run the compares then and even that may take a while. This is not like on CSI on TV.

      JMHO

      • I’m basing that on Dennis’ statement in yesterdays article “Dennis Alexander said he was attempting to leave the store when he was approached by a security guard. “They tackled me and beat me up pretty good,” he said. “I was already on parole and would have went to prison, so I used Travis’ name and information. When they arrested me, they fingerprinted me and put it in the computer and found out who I was. They sent me to prison for a parole violation.”

        I presume he meant they printed him and found out who he was on that same day.

    • Oooh good point! Yes, “defendant acknowledges the complaint reflects his/her true name and date of birth” says that he was not immediately put into prison for a parole violation.

      • Court document says “CREDIT FOR TIME SERVED (PRESENTENCE) OF 5 ACTUAL DAYS PLUS 0 DAYS PURSUANT TO 4019 PC FOR A TOTAL OF 5 DAYS.”

        So time served… as Dennis Alexander? Because Travis Alexander never served any time in jail, right? He can’t be in jail as two people at the same time. Something still not adding up here.

  80. This goes well beyond an author or family claim. The sheriff is now saying it may have happened.

    And this is not just going to the prosecution in the JA case as stated above. I think that confusion lies in the last name Martinez – Alberto Martinez from Riverside Sheriff and Juan Martinez in JA case. So when Martinez is mentioned ( sloppy reporting in not including a first name where this issue becomes tricky and could easily be understood because of how it is written) in respect to the prosecutor’s office, they are talking about it going to the Riverrside DA Office.

    Riverside Sheriff says both names, Dennis and Travis, were shown as booked for the same crime whereas as the case report only indicates one person in connection with the bad acts.
    “We are checking the fingerprints to make sure if we had same person or different people,” Martinez said. “We do have two people who are booked — Dennis Gregory Alexander and then Travis Alexander, so we sent it to our records people [and asked them] to do it as soon as possible.”
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/12/travis-alexander-arrest-record_n_2861418.html?ref=topbar

    Riverside is not a small system. Look at how the charges on Travis were later acted upon – allowing their records to show a duel guilty pleas and conviction. If this is an error, this looks very, very bad for the entire Riverside system, and is entirely founded upon the sheriff’s office not resolving the error when they first suspected they had booked someone under the wrong name – actually double booked and let it go so far as to show 2 convictions for the same crime..

    Remember this is totally different jurisdictions and even a different state. The Riverside Sheriff’s office is NOT going to fall on the sword for this for Arizona. NO way. It opens too big of what could be an expensive can of worms for them, and opens the door for many to claim the same errors were made for their past cases. They are not going to do something like that to effect a murder trial in another jurisdiction, much less state. So why would the Riverside Sheriff’s Office ever come out an admit the possibility of such a huge error today if they did not suspect it could have occurred all those years ago unless they had good reason to do so? If there was nothing to ground the brother’s claim, if there was any way out for the sheriff, the sheriff’s office would never use any verbiage to indicate they may have screwed up and screwed up so bad as convicting 2 people for a crime committed by one person. That’s bad, really bad. Constitutional issues like no one’s business.

    I also think Dennis may have recently sought out legal advice on how to deal with this, probably thinking it has long been put to bed. It certainly puts him in a risky position coming out with this. He could have let Travis continue to take the charge when it came out, but must have decided he could not live with how his actions could effect today’s trial. Wow, crazy, crazy.

    Obviously the Riverside system is riddled with error on this, and the burden is on the state to prove, if this was done by Dennis, that Dennis has not been yet faced penalty for the charges, if the case shows it was resolved. It could certainly be a constitutional issue.

    If Dennis’ claims are shown to be true, besides the dilemma of it being his brother, no wonder Travis did not deal with it. What a mess.

    • But what about travis saying it was expunged in one hour? what do you make of that.

    • This is the craziest thing I have ever heard in my life. I just can’t understand why this wasn’t taken care of years ago, even right after Travis died and Jodi was charged.

      • Tony
        Perhaps Travis was pissed but decided to take the charge because of what the charge may have meant for his brother. Dennis had quite the record at the time, and was on parole. It could have very easily been a California “3 Strikes and You Out” for him.

        Helluva a dilemma – do you clear your name and in turn have your brother go downtown for a very long time or do you accept some misdemeanors charges no matter how pissed you are at him? I gotta say if it didn’t effect professional license or totally screw up something in my life, I would probably do the later.

        In fact years ago my sister stuck me with some traffic violations, one of which came very close to being a serious problem for me professionally. Rather than rat her out – like I said she had a situation whereas it would have been a HUGE issue for her – I dealt with it. Wasn’t at all happy about it, but dealt with it like it was my offense and it is still on my record today.

        So IMO being it may have been his brother, it does explain what Travis did.

        • Yes, I can see a person doing that for their sibling.

          Of course Travis then turned it around and used it as a sales pitch…which was false.

        • Maybe I’m cold-hearted…I’d never accept any charges on behalf of a lying brother/sister! I value my clean record :).

        • Coincidence or cover-up? 🙂
          I kid, I kid (sort of)- but its awfully odd if it turns out to have been Dennis, not Travis.

          I’ll believe it when I see it (from a credible source).

    • Folks, as bad as hate to say this, this truly could have happened. What I find hard to understand is that, based on Dennis’s statement that he told Travis about it and that Travis had forgiven him, then why wouldn’t Travis have sought to clear him name from this mess in Riverside County. You can bet your sweet bippy I sure would have.

  81. I think it was very easy for him to “go to court”. The record shows a guilty plea at video arraignment, and that was even to additional charges added on after arrest – probably got shitty in the jail. I thought a guilty plea during arraignment was very odd when I first saw the record.

    This must be resolved.
    If it was Travis. IMO it needs to come in. I’d argue even if JA was not aware of it.
    If it wasn’t, it stays out.

    Riverside better get their ass in line.

    • Are you saying he was arraigned via video appearance in court? If so, does that mean he was in custody at that time? Because if he was in custody it would have been as Dennis, not as Travis. There is no way then that he could make a video appearance in court for charges against Travis.

        • Yes, he was in jail = plead guilty at video arraignment
          I think Dennis got a very lucky break. I think he may have been booked as both, but at arraignment days later, the clerk screwed up, gave the file to the judge as Travis, the judge sentenced as Travis, and Dennis was the luckiest guy in the world. Because if the judge knew it was Dennis, with his record, no way would he have got the deal he did. Instead it would have went to the DOC and been a parole violation.

          Like I said, I think the delay in Dennis coming forward, ie not saying something when this first broke, may be because he sought legal advice, and maybe statue fell in his favor or if not, he is willing to face the music. I imagine that counsel prescribed the verbiage he is using today to a T.

          • And yes he could have done arraignment as Travis
            Guys this sort of stuff happens a lot. It is not rare by any means. As technology progresses, it is getting better, but it is still quite the problem.

            In point
            I recently dealt with someone who had multiple drug felonies charged against them that were a product of false identity. The person was picked up on a warrant during a simple traffic stop. The real offender absconded after bonding out after arrest – this caused a helluva problem for the innocent.

            This unfortunate person was in jail for 2 weeks before they could even get bonded out, ie it took 2 weeks to convince the court that the identity was questionable enough to allow bonding out, yet not to the point where the charge could be processed correctly. With a lot of work and proving beyond any doubt the innocent was at work during the time of arrest, the charges against the innocent were finally dropped. The person who actually committed the crime, was booked in jail, was arraigned via video, and bonded out, to this day is not known

  82. I have mostly stopped commenting as the tide substantially turned here, in my opinion. I cannot defend Mormonism; there is no need for me to. It stands on its own merit. Those who will knock it will knock it for whatever reason they deem necessary. I cannot defend Travis; again those who are looking to demean him will find their reason to give their argument validity. I will say I have been open minded about Jodi all along, and I had hoped that that might rub off, but I can see that that has not been the case. I pray always for Justice for all, and will continue to do so. It is painful to hear her testimony and all of the harassment she has had to endure, but it is equally painful to hear my friend diatribe’ against. He is the victim. He is gone. He cannot defend himself. I am angered, but mostly I am just disappointed. I thought this was the one place that fairness, open dialogue and unbiased commentary might prevail, I’m unbelievably hurt time and time again by the tirades and tangents many have gone on(I don’t know why I did, but I really expected better, even though you are all strangers with differing opinions and points of view) . What is being lost here is the sane, reasonable and logical discussion I sought out in the first place. I feel that this forum; for the last 3 days has been exactly what we chastised and criticized the other sites for, a definite mob mentality has been prevailing here. I do understand the vehemence with which many feel the need to look for truth, defend Jodi (as I feel no one is really doing besides herself) and bring to light what they uncover as possible avenues of clues for the defense. I still do not understand the tidal shift in attitude and blame of the victim, his family and any other scapegoat that can be found. So, I choose not to allow anyone else to negatively affect me. I can read, with detachment the comments, view the documents, and read the opinions without being affected anymore. I knew Travis, he was my friend. I met Jodi; to me she is a “sister”, a person and a woman in need of what we all need, fairness and decency, I pray for kindness and fairness for her, even in this very unfair world.

    • Hit reply too quickly, was going to add more to my first statement. What happened has nothing to do with Mormon beliefs. You cannot judge an entire religion based on the actions of a few.

      I never met Travis. Based on Jodi’s testimony, he did some terrible things, but she also mentions sweet things he did, so he wasn’t a complete monster. This was a very unfortunate situation. Both Travis and Jodi had abusive childhoods and terrible role models. Maybe if they had gotten proper help and counseling, none of this ever would have happened. Nobody is perfect, we are human, and we are not expected to be perfect. If we were, there would be no such thing as redemption and forgiveness.

      This was a terrible tragedy. He would probably still be alive today if things never escalated. It was just unfortunate.

      The only thing that matters is that this was a heat of the moment tragedy. It was NOT premeditated. It was not the act of evil. It was a TRAGEDY. Both Jodi and Travis are victims of their childhood. They are both victims here. Travis’s life ended, in a way, so has Jodi. Her life will never be the same. How is she going to walk in public after this media circus? Get a job? She will most likely go into hiding, have to relocate.

    • I’m sorry you feel that way Bella. I have enjoyed your comments. When a reader on this site, took the time to look into a rumor that was spread on the other site by checking the facts by pulling a background check, they were doing the right thing. Jodi may be facing the death penalty Bella so had travis been the person on the arrest report, and not his brother, than it would be important to this case. it would have been a travesty of justice for it NOT to be noted.

      As it stands, the defense did motion to compel travis criminal record so apparently, they thought it important too.

      I heard you this morning. Hope you come back. From one believer to another, expecting people to act a certain way all the time only sets me up to be disappointed. Godspeed.

      • MB Team Jodi
        Are You Surprised the Defense didn’t know this in regard to the criminal records I am,
        The Truth is the truth in season out of season Although I have always said that Travis did not deserve to die Its the circumstances that led to this tragic event. And any Good Lawyer is not going to be Politically correct or Tippy toe over the obvious with this White Elephant sitting in the Living Room.
        The truth in the long run may prevent this type of tragedy and cover up by shallow superficial idiots.
        That is more important then offending some Disney World Fantasy Cult. Maybe someone should have woke Jodi Up To smell the Coffee. The Truth Hurts at times!

        • I am not surprised.

          I felt like they haven’t been on the ball since day one….I know other people think they are, but I don’t.

          • BeeCee
            Your Right I mean I hate to say it But , That is bad. F Lee Bailey would have been in the beginning all over the prosecution. Also would have explored The Possibility of Brainwashing Cult, Many things Experts. Jodi states that psychological help has not been provided for her.
            I think she was advised by her previous Lawyers on what to say. My Gut Feeling is that Nurmi took on this case late Jodi fired her other Lawyers, But I think way more people should have been subpoenaed Especially The Statements that have been made by friends etc.

        • Yes. very surprised! Except one thing – the story had been that travis had moved from riverside after high school and his mission to mesa. So maybe, it never occured to them to check Riverside? For all they had heard, he was a minor in riverside. What do you think? They overlooked Riverside. I mean hope they would check mesa FOR SURE.

        • Good question! I’m not sure how much the defense knew about this, if anything.

          None of us thought about searching the record until the pro-Travis camp blabbed about it on their page; so it’s possible the defense didn’t think of searching Riverside either.

          • Yes but he traveled back their I assume, and also you would Check his record period, Comments we have seen on his My Space Page the obvious lies of his friends a contaminated crime scene a defendant, who from what I hear was under counsel from PPL when she appeared on these TV programs, No counseling or psychological treatment, was she given MRI CT Scan since she hit her head, The room mate told Travis Girlfriend about Jodi and then she states I found out he was lying, What Planet is she living on. Media Circus, Personally I think Nurmi is weak. If he brought in Text messages Phone calls The comments on My Space are admissible her cover up was of a scared child. But was she examined by a Cult Expert, That is used in courts. Also so many of these people from the Gang coming on these TV shows. The commentary is so over the top..

      • Bella,
        I can understand your frustration, there has been at times, I’ve felt like, I’ve posted things on here, and there was absolutely no response, which can mean alot of things. I have come to the conclusion that no matter what is said, and who agrees, you have a right to your thoughts and your feelings, and if people don’t agree, then its ok too. I don’t see a mob mentality here, but I do see some people have bonded together, and share the same thoughts about certain things. I have also read some things that made me uncomfortable, and I have ignored it and moved on. I also have said some things in the heat of the moment, that I later regretted. But they still let me on here, so I guess it was ok too. :}
        There are alot of passionate people on here and we all want justice, but not the way the State wants it. For us, thinking a beautiful, talented young woman who has been vicitmized all her life, could be put to death is beyond comprehension, so emotions and passions run high. The Mormon religion is difficult for us to understand, and some publications out there do not put a very good light on it. I’m catholic, so I understand really I do. However, we are all here for the expressed purpose of giving this woman a support system and exposing the truth against what is being said in the media. that is the goal. So please, continue to offer your comments. i enjoy reading your insight. You have something most of us do not, and thats first hand knowledge of the religion and the people involved in this case.
        :}

      • Thank you JC. I honestly don’t know how to respond to Bella right now. One moment everything is fine here, the next moment we have a “mob mentality” so I don’t know how to approach an issue that is clearly arbitrary.

        All I can say is that the public record is not usually wrong, so assuming this was Travis’ record is not weird or unusual. It’s certainly not a “mob mentality.” For as many people who point their fingers at how quick we were to assume it’s Travis’, there’s no fingers pointed at the people who were dismissing it without the proof necessary to deduce that it was in fact a case of identity theft.

        Also, I have a problem with any Travis supporter who assumes that posting here should change anyone’s minds or feelings about this case. People are going to think what they want to think, if people are only talking to me because they think they can break me or change me, then they should think again.

        I may understand why Travis’ friends or family feel the way they do. But that doesn’t give them a right to dictate to me how to feel or think about this case.

        • Jodi is facing the death penalty, and quite frankly if something turns up that would help, then it needs to come out. If it isn’t true, then so be it.

          Clearly Travis lied about jodi stalking, about being a virgin, about PPL expunging his record…he is no worse than most all of us for lying at some point, BUT that doesn’t mean we should be expected to swallow whatever excuse or reason we are given for ANYTHING when it comes to this case.

          There is no trust in “Trust but Verify” in this case…it’s all “verify”

          • Right – give me a REASON to believe this is identity theft.

            It’s looking like that’s the case, but I’m still reserving judgement until Riverside updates the status of this file.

            • Yeah, MB, it’s like the pro travis people just expect us to roll over and accept whatever reason they spew forth…they don’t seem to believe anything jodi says..

              I’m one of those people that have to see it to believe it, and if something doesn’t seem right, then I am not going to just accept it.

              • There’s no proof Jodi stalked Travis. Yet they want us to believe that.

                There’s no proof Jodi premediated Travis’ killing. Yet they want us to believe that.

                There’s no proof Jodi lured Travis into a phone sex call. Yet they want us to believe that.

                There’s all this shit and more that they want us to believe, and just take their word for it.

                But when the public record shows that Travis Alexander has a conviction, there is suddenly hell to pay for anyone who needs proof that identity theft was involved in this.

                I call them the flat earth society for a reason. These people are as backwards as a leisure suit in a hardware bar.

                • I can tell you right now if TA was still here and the police picked him up on something, they’d run his name, find the exact same records we found, and charge him accordingly. They wouldn’t just drop the matter when he says ‘Oh, funny story…” and explains how his brother duped the Riverside County Sheriff’s Department and the court system with a little identity theft. So no one should feel any guilt whatsoever for trying to get to the bottom of what seems to be a mounting pile of lies from the Alexander family.

                • And BeeCee (am reading from bottom up tonight, kind of backwards…).
                  Both of you had amazing things to say.

                  And I agree, I’m still not buying this “mishap” until I hear it from a credible source. The Pro Travis Sites nor the media are credible sources.

                  No matter how this turns out I’m honestly just relishing in the fact that his friends, family, & media have obviously been squrimming the past few days trying to figure out which lie would sound best. Because no matter the end result, they clearly chose not to tell the truth from the get go.

        • Agree MB,

          Coming in to debate things in favor of Jodi committing pre meditated murder is a waste of a comment. Same is taking about how jodi lied so many times so she must be lying now rhetoric.

          And I have never seen something this odd go down with records ever but with red tape the way it is, I guess I can see it happening but I don’t fault anyone for looking into his background. There is no law against it and I know it wasn’t done as an act of hate. It was to check on already rumored info if I understand how this was started correctly.

          • There would have been less of a “mob mentality” had the truth been told in the first place. Day after day a different friend of TA’s is on HLN spewing more ridiculous claims without any proof at all. Like today a women stating that when JA made the sex tape she was planning on killing him, and the sex tape was her way of having a memory of TA. And every one believes this. While I dream of justice, I have come to realize it is just that- A dream and I am delusional to think other wise.

            • Right, I noticed that too! They’re screaming at us for coming forward with a court record, but then there they are “theorizing” that Jodi made the tape in anticipation of murder. NO PROOF to back that up either!

              Wow, and if we take JVM’s word for anything, every employer in the country is now a “conspiracy theorist” because they accept the public record in making employment decisions.

              This wingbat is off the hinges now. Her and her rabid pit bull Leiberman. 🙂

          • Thank you JC you are probably the only one who noticed that this was investigated according to the claims made on the pro-Travis site; if I really wanted to dig shit on Travis I would have posted that link weeks ago.

        • MB
          you are right This Site states what it believes & people should be able to speak their opinion.
          Brain storming can be good. I personally feel their is a much bigger issue with regard to Travis something to do with the company, who knows But That Criminal Record is his or I guess His brother will have to serve time or pay for what he did to Travis according to the law. What is the punishment for Identity Theft did they finger print him??
          But Gooey nonsense of pretending to be a Brady Bunch Goody Two shoes Really is quiet annoying in contrast to whats occurring.

          • Honestly I don’t think he’s going to get charged with anything or serve any time. If what he is saying is true, the police knew about this right away, and if they didn’t charge him then, they probably won’t charge him now.

            lol brady bunch. No kidding!

        • I couldnt agree more with MB.This is a DP case,it’s only natural that anyone who would become aware of a public document that might have to do with the case,would want to investigate further and come back here to comment on the findings.I see no mob mentality in that,no wishing to slander the victim’s character.Also,I’m gonna come out of my shell a bit further and say sth I’ve refrained from saying for quite a while.I’ve noticed that since this is a respectful site we all tend to be very careful of what we say and most importantly how we say it(well,at least you guys,my english is not that good to be able to have all the control I wish on how I write sth lol) YET when a poster identifies him/her self as being a Mormon member or a TA ‘s friend etc we kinda tend to tiptoe around them,read older posts ,you’ll know what I mean.Of course this doesnt mean that I’m suggesting that we shlould be rude to them.It’s just feels that the one place we shouldnt feel censored is this site,plus if someone is a friend of TA and/or a mormon and still visits this place(the TITLE is pretty obvious,RIGHT????)they are bound to be exposed to some negative comments.So,the way I see it is if I were in their shoes I would either take the responsibility of being here and stop nagging or would stop reading if that affected me to a great extend.

        • Beautifully said MB.

          This entire situation is so convoluted that it would be irresponsible for the one and only group supporting Jodi, to ignore it under any circumstance. I can only think, “what a tangled web we weave, when we practice to decieve”. I have been very publically compassionate toward Travis’ family, but being compassionate to their plight, in no way makes me think that the lies that have been told, by a family member should make anyone feel bad for seeking truth. It sure has muddied the waters even further. Let’s just push forward with the search for truth, no matter what is uncovered.

          Bella-

          I am sorry that you now have such feelings toward this group.. I have witnessed much kindness toward you as a friend of Travis, by the very people you seem to be vilifying as an angry mob, that is no different than Travis supporters. I have, not once, seen anyone on this site make threats to Travis’ family, friends, or supporters. I can’t say the same for those who so vehemently support Travis and the DP for Jodi, including his friends. I suggest you read about the experience of Jodi’s sister, and the horrible things said about her two year old child.

          I may be wrong, but, I don’t think you can be sitting on the fence in re: to your support of Jodi to really be on this site, and appreciate it’s purpose. This is in fact a Jodi support site. From the posts I have seen today, I think there are more folks out there in your position, and I hope that perhaps, you are able to find what you are looking for with them.
          God Bless

        • Agreed, MB. I don’t agree that any “mob mentality” took place, and I bristle at being chastised like some errant child.

      • Agree. There is a very simple solution to the way you feel…. turn off your computer. That one very simple click of the button makes this entire cyber world go away, and the hurt feelings go with it.

    • Hi Bella;

      I have actually been thinking of you these last few days. I felt that this whole issue would be painful for you and wondered how you would be doing with it. I wish there was some way for you not to be affected the way you are when you read some of our posts. Personally speaking, I will admit I do find myself getting emotional about some things (usually unfairness) and I am sure it is reflected in my posts (sarcasm and anger). A lot of this stuff makes me think of my daughter, and how innocent she is, and how Jodi is someone’s daughter, and it does make me want to find the truth, and help this girl fight for her life all the more. I have brothers and grown sons as well, and they are far from perfect (criminal records in tact). I have also lost loved ones – many, many lost loved ones, young and old. I tend to think of the ones who are still here, as those that can still be helped. I know that it seems that your friend is having his past scrutinized, but it is not for the sake of simply scrutinizing him. It started out of a need to find support for Jodi’s claims. She needs all the help she can get. She is the one who is still here. I hope you can at least see that we attempt to verify things here, unlike what’s going on elsewhere when the rumors are taken as truth about Jodi.

      I actually really appreciate your posts. Sometimes they calm me down.

      I agree that the tone has been different here for a few days, but I think when a new piece of information comes to light, it will cause some fury everywhere – this site and elsewhere. We’re on a mission here. I don’t know that we could get to “the truth” without digging.

      As far as the comments about religion, all religions have their flaws, manipulators, and extremists, and I think everyone here knows that an opinion does not apply to the entire religion. None of the comments about religion apply to you, though it may seem that way because you identify as being a part of it. But, a faulty chain on a bicycle, is NOT a faulty bike…..it’s just a small faulty piece of a larger, otherwise functional thing. As many people as there are who abuse a religion, there are just as many who practice it appropriately, and you are one of those people. You shine light in here.

      I hope that you can be patient with us here, and if there is a way for you to stay around without hurting, I would love to see your continued input. And I hope I am not overstepping my boundaries here, but do you believe your friend to be at peace? I don’t believe any of this to be of any importance to him now. His family, I do feel for them, though they have perpetuated some very negative beliefs about Jodi which is going to impact her for the rest of her life. Even if she walks free, some of these untruths about her can never be undone.
      Please take care Bella, continue to be strong.

      • Excellent comment. You explained what i see so well and I do worry for Bella.

      • Thank you Jess for the perspective on religion whatever it might be. There are a lot of times I am embarressed about being Catholic and have a hard time believing the scandal there, especially since it had to do with the priests who I always regarded as next to God. And Bella your posts always remind me that the person is not the religion.

      • Jess, Mel, MB, JC And all others,

        I believe in the search for truth, but I don’t believe in the demonize any and all method (i feel) has been applied. I have the very same thought, I have a small child, they are the most important thing in the world. Were it my child, how would I behave, is the refraining thought I have. Jodi’s life will never be the same. No matter the verdict she will be haunted, impacted and victimized for the remainder of her life. I read all of the comments to my post, I have not been tip toed around. I am aware of the site I am on, what it lends its self to and what that might justify to some. I did not set out to change anyone’s opinion, point of view or mind. I am not able to. My goal was to be an example in myself. Find my own answers to questions I might have and find a forum to communicate without hate, mob mentality and screeching, I can get that all over the place. I had hoped for more. I have kept my tone calm, my demeanor polite and my commentary respectful in hopes that it might be taken in a context in which it is meant, common understanding, and a common search for truth. If someone has a record, it will come to light. I personally cannot believe the defense nor the prosecution were unaware of any or all of it. But if not and its uncovered, so be it. I didn’t demonize Jodi, I don’t Sanctify Travis. In my staying quiet, I allowed what was going to happen to happen, I cannot change it. I cannot stop it and I don’t hide from it. (Thank you Jess and JC, I sincerely appreciate your comments.) I have frustration with many people, I have voiced that. I am aggrieved by Travis’s family. I can understand not wanting to air their dirty laundry, but I can see where volunteering any or all of this months ago would have done them a much better service. I believe the sister in Law enforcement truly meant to squash all of it as it paints her in a very poor light, but that is neither here nor there. The truth will come out, no matter who wishes it to remain hidden. When I said “So, I choose not to allow anyone else to negatively affect me” I meant simply that. I will use the same mechanism of detachment I use in business, I can read, learn, see and glean information with out letting my emotions cloud my view. It is becoming easier. There are some here who I agree with. Some I find insightful, witty and vast entertaining. Some are clearly intelligent and posses a clever intellect(weather I can see their relevance or can agree with the content doesn’t matter), those I read thoroughly and appreciate. (PS, I mean you Jess, your bicycle chain analogy brought tears to my eyes in gratitude) The ones who don’t , I don’t, that is all I meant.

        In answer to your question, Jess, Yes. I do believe Travis is at peace. That may be a Mormon way of thinking, but I feel calm when I pray, I fell peace when I think of him and I find solace in the fact that i truly believe my friend resides in heaven and with his Savior. I can state that with fervor.

        I will confess to lurking since its relevant. I’m not ashamed, like the others I need intel… so shoot me if you insist, but know I wear a white hat, (and white undies too) !

        • Bella, you are a beautiful soul. Our crazy world needs more like you in it.

          I apologize to you if you feel I’ve come across as having a mob mentality as that is not something I do not want to have. I sometimes use humor when reality is ugly. I have no intention of being disrespectful about Travis. Regardless of who or what he was here on Earth he did not reserve this ending to his young life.

          I believe you said it so eloquently a few days back – they both suffered. Jodi will bear the weight of this until the end of her days. It’s sad from many angles and that sadness ripples far beyond the two of them.

          Thank you for your insight and for sharing what is in your heart here. It means a lot to me. Thank you <3

        • Bella,

          Thank you for your post, in reading it, it drove home the fact that truth and justice is what is important. It is so easy to get side tracked, we are human, if we didn’t care and believe strongly in our beliefs, we wouldn’t have come together here.

          I am relatively new here, but I have come to see that there are so many caring people who are willing to stand up for what is all our right….the right to be treated with respect and dignity, regardless of the odds stacked against us.

          I can speak for both sides, which having a background in forensics causes great angst at times. Because the science is what it is, emotions don’t come into play, but I am also human and it’s hard to turn off my compassion and empathy for people and situations.

          Having lost a loved one (who ironically had their throat slashed), I can relate to TA’s family. They lost a loved one, and they have not had the opportunity to grieve, because they have basically been in limbo waiting for this trial. They are angry, on top of that their lives have been thrown out into the arena of public scrutiny. None of us would deal with that very well, unfortunately, their inconsistencies in dealing with things has turned the spotlight on them even more.

          My heart hurts for Jodi’s family. I can’t even begin to imagine what they are going through, day after day sitting there hearing everything that has come out, and seeing their loved one being raked over the coals by prosecution…and there is nothing they can do about it. They have been thrust into the court of public opinion and their lives will forever be changed by all this.

          When I look at pictures of Jodi taken before Travis, I see a beautiful, vibrant young woman with her whole life ahead of her. Seeing her in the trial, I see a young woman who is not even a shadow of who she was. The only word that comes to mind when I see her, is ‘broken’. There is no doubt in my mind that she was abused. When hearing her testify to some of the incidents she experienced with Travis, there is no question he degraded and abused her.

          Travis was a young man who I think struggled with his own demons. He carried the scars of a troubled childhood and I have to wonder if anyone ever really knew him. I think he only allowed people to know what he wanted them to know. It is obvious from what has come out that he struggled with unresolved issues from his childhood and I think they manifested at times in outbursts of anger.

          These were two broken people who were on a collision course. Unfortunately, they made choices that have brought us to where we are today. Sadly, their families will bare the burden of for the rest of their lives because both families have lost loved ones.

          I believe no matter how hard people try to refute it, the truth will always come out. I pray that our Loving Father’s Grace touches the hearts of all who are hurting, soften the hearts of those who are letting anger control their actions and words. And that justice for Jodi prevails.

  83. Just sharing…..I thought it was strange, after Travis’ death, that Ashley Thompson would phone in a tip saying she thought her husband might have something to do with the murder. Nothing came of it, so I assunme the police concluded her tip had no merit. But I remember reading that she’s no longer alive and died shortly after Travis. Today, one of the posts indicated that she died by committing suicide with a gunshot to her head. Very sad…also strange. Who knows what happened, but may she rest in peace.

  84. This just in:

    “We are doing checking the fingerprints to make sure if we had same person or different people,” Martinez said. “We do have two people who are booked — Dennis Gregory Alexander and then Travis Alexander, so we sent it to our records people [and asked them] to do it as soon as possible.”

    Two people who are booked!!

    Riverside is in the process of verifying the records.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/12/travis-alexander-arrest-record_n_2861418.html

    • i take issue with riverside dealing with martinez and not the press/public. Is that how this is going so far?

      • I don’t know if it’s Martinez the prosecutor or Martinez a police officer. It’s a pretty common last name.

        But either way, this is going to be resolved!

        • But in the earlier article huff post said they couldn’t get the mugshot and that riverside would only release it to the prosecution. I was 50/50 on this only because I knew someone but MB, if they mean the prosecutor, I will have a real problem believing that it was dennis. what do you think?

          • The article says the mugshot was provided by an officer martinez from the police station

          • In the original huff post his brother said when they took his fingerprints they found out who he was, and he never went to court for this.

            This article is saying the brother is saying he passed himself off in court as his brother.

            Again the story is changing…sheesh!

        • I think its police officer. Atleast they released the booking photo/mugshot. I had read an earlier article.

        • Yeah, it’s Alberto Martinez from the Riverside County Sheriif’s Department. I originally read the comment here and was like “Why is Kermit involved in this?” LOL.

      • Ok here it is:

        “We’re glad [The Huffington Post] brought it to our attention. We’re trying to verify if that’s him or not,” deputy Alberto Martinez, of the Riverside County Sheriff’s Department, told HuffPost Tuesday afternoon.

    • “They tackled me and beat me up pretty good,” he said. “I was already on parole and would have went to prison, so I used Travis’ name and information. When they arrested me, they fingerprinted me, and put it in the computer and found out who I was. They sent me to prison for a parole violation.”

      But if they knew who he was, why is the record still in Travis’ name??

      It could be just a clerical error, but that’s one hell of an error.

      • If Riverside confirms, with documentaion, it I will believe it.

        I don’t think they would lie and say it was his brother it it weren’t because it would make them look incredibly bad.

        It would look better for them if it were Travis.

        • yeah they look bad enough already.

          first story told by travis via shanna – “someone used my ID”
          second story told by family via shanna – “it was a friend”
          third story told by family via shanna – “it was his brother”

          Why not tell the truth the first time?

          • Exactly JC – if they don’t see the big deal, then why did they make it such a big deal?
            Circles…

            • Yes. They say this stuff isn’t a big deal, not a problem. So why not take care of this months ago if that’s the case? Why leave it out there in cyberspace somewhere for someone else to find out? Derrr….

              Yeesh. This is like the issue about Travis having sex. Nobody would have cared if Travis was having sex, and they should have admitted it from the beginning instead of trying to pass him off as a virginal mormon man. But they chose to lie to everyone and then wonder why we’re shocked to find this shit out.

              Jodi has infinitely more credibility than these folks. At least I can understand *why* she lied. But the family? Why lie? This isn’t life or death, this isn’t a tragedy. It’s embarressing, I’m sure. But not anywhere near the situation Jodi faced.

          • …
            lol

            Sorry, I can’t help but see the humor in that statement.

            It’s what the knuckle-draggers love to ask of jodi

            (not commenting against Jodi, just laughing at the situation)

            • Well, they are the ones asserting Jodi was a stalker, liar, seductress etc. so I find it kind of odd they just weren’t forthright about the info regarding his brother.

                • Yeah pyromie, maybe they should remember that while they are trying to burn Jodi at the stake for lying at first, eh?

                  It’s ok for them to lie, but no one else?

          • OMG exactly. So sick of the lies. They knew this would be a high profile case, with Jodi doing the 48 hours interviews, IF this is just a bizarre error, why didn’t they take care of this months ago?

  85. What bugs me the most is that Shannon Hogan is profiting off this tragedy by writing a book. Shame! Honestly, shame! She cannot write an accurate book because she does not know what happens behind closed doors.

  86. Utah Statistics are Among the Highest in the Nation for Depression, Rape, Child Abuse, and Pornography!!!
    Statistics in Utah still reflect a depressive, judgmental, supressive, negative social atmosphere of control. The prevalence of poor mental health: 41.4% 1st of 50 states, Birthrate per 1,000: 21.2 1st of 50, Physical exercise: 83.1% 2nd of 52 (US Census 2004-2009). Therefore, the poor mental health (highly-prevalent depression) does not stem from a lack of exercise, smoking or drinking as required by the LDS Church Word of Wisdom dictates.The church leaders do stress to get married early and to have lots of children. Seminary classes teach that Missionaries have to get married within six months of coming home from their mission and to get married and have children while still in college. Women are taught that their importance comes only through having a husband who holds the priesthood (which they have erroneously been denied) and having lots of children and not from obtaining their education as their career should “be solely in the home”.
    In 2005, Utah had 32,203 total referrals for child abuse and neglect. Of those, 21,052 reports were referred for investigation. In 2005, 8,173 children were substantiated or indicated as abused or neglected in Utah, a rate of 17.7 per 1,000 children, and representing a 3.4% decrease from 2004. Of these children, 20.7% were neglected, 14.7% were physically abused, and 19.3% were sexually abused. In 2005, 10 children died as a result of abuse or neglect in Utah.
    In 2005, 10 children died as a result of abuse or neglect in Utah.
    Of the children in out-of-home care in 2005, 63.5% were white, 4.7% black, 22.5% Hispanic, 5.7% American Indian/Alaskan Native, and 3.5% children of other races and ethnicity
    Utah’s rate of females murdered by males tops the national average
    Nearly half of the 131 women killed between 1994 and 1999 in Utah were slain by husbands or boyfriends, according to a report released by state health department officials. They urged judges, prosecutors and clergy to pay more attention to the signs of domestic violence and to intervene before it escalates. USA Today
    Nearly half of the 131 women killed between 1994 and 1999 in Utah were slain by husbands or boyfriends, according to a report released by state health department officials. They urged judges, prosecutors and clergy to pay more attention to the signs of domestic violence and to intervene before it escalates. USA Today
    All of this flies in the face of the projected image of Mormonism as a society which places the family at the highest level of its concern.
    All of this flies in the face of the projected image of Mormonism as a society which places the family at the highest level of its concern.

    One of the worst areas of offense in Mormonism is uncovered in the following article. This story is repeated over and over again as the good old boys have their way with women and children in the ashes of Brigham Young’s Mormonism

    Rape Crime in Utah Well Above National Average
    A federal report shows that one in five adult women in Utah—or a total of 157,000 women in the state—has been forcibly raped at least once in her lifetime. The report comes from the South Carolina-based National Violence Against Women Prevention Research Center, giving Utah the top spot in the continental United States for its estimated percentage of rape victims. “Our findings clearly demonstrate the fact that Utah has a substantial rape problem,” said the report from the research group, which was established and is partly funded by the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

    Utah No. 1 in online porn subscriptions, report says

    http://www.19thwife.com/ann.html

  87. this going on and on about how much gas was in car, gas cans etc is stupid. i would like to know one thing, if jody didn’t want anyone to know she was in AZ why not just pay cash for gas and whatever, why buy, borrow any gas cans.

    another thing that bothered me about the prosecutions theories is the car rental as proof of premeditation, she would be smart enough to know that car rental co keep track of mileage out and mileage in so what good would it be to hide how much gas you used, and furthermore if you don’t want to attract attention to yourself you surly would not turn your license plate upside down

    • this whole theory of premeditation is so flimsy, just hope the jury is seeing right through it

      • I agree. It almost seems there was no planning, plotting or deliberating. Stan points out things NOT TO DO in a murder. Did police ever find any “how to murder” searches on her computer? I think she would know her computer would be one of the first places the police would check. So many things are wrong about this murder – wrong place with the possibility people in the house, too close to the victim making her an obvious suspect, no alibi with the credit card, car rental trail, wrong gun (although she may not have had many options depending on what you believe about where the gun came from) .

        From: Caliber Confusion by Kathy Jackson

        Larger in diameter than the .22 calibers, but less powerful, is the .25 Auto Colt Pistol, usually called .25 ACP or .25 Auto. The .25 ACP is a centerfire round unique to handguns. If you’re looking for a defense round, stay away from this one. Although quite common in cheap handguns, it really isn’t powerful enough to do what you need it to do.

        Of the .25 Auto, firearms great Jeff Cooper once famously quipped, “… carry a 25 if it makes you feel good, but do not ever load it. If you load it you may shoot it. If you shoot it you may hit somebody, and if you hit somebody – and he finds out about it – he may be very angry with you.”

        I won’t go on but Jodi seems like a bright woman. I think she even worked as an event planner which would seem to take advanced planning, organization, attention to details, check lists, etc. It just doesn’t seem like a premeditated killing.

        • Heck, if she was planning it she might have picked a better state – one without the DP – just in case she did get caught.

          Planning ahead with the risk of being caught in his own home with roommates and the open door policy where a friend could pop over at any time also makes no sense. She’d not be aware of the new roommates routine etc since it had been a while since she was there.

          She could have had a better chance at not getting caught by getting him to some remote spot in the desert … and doing it there if she were planning this – imo.

  88. Do we know who the She is that is mentioned in the TA ten page arrest report?

    I mean, she could be a witness to TA stealing the items.

    • It’s weird, in the report TA’s accomplice is a woman. Don’t know who, but apparently they were buying diapers????

      • kinda strange. They bought diapers, and stole cold medicine (usually used in making meth)

  89. Media sounds pretty desperate I do Not watch That sleazy Station but I heard the announcement a friend of mine told me, Lots Of Money & Power Behind This very well orchestrated High Tech Lynch Mob, So my question is WHY??? No offense Travis Alexander is not the only American to Die or be murdered, So whats the motive behind such obvious propaganda speculation by Cult Members desperately trying to convince the Masses that Jodi must be Killed?? Why??? DUH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • I could speculate, but it would include political stuff, which I sense is probably not very cool to mention here.

    • Oliviero,

      I can’t help but believe that this whole thing smells of misogyny. Even the women on HLN (and certainly among the bloggers) want to believe that poor innocent Travis was being lead around by his you-know-what by this awful scheming harlot. Give me break! What universe are they living in? I heard one female friend of Travis’ say she didn’t trust Jodi around her husband. Could it possibly be that she saw a pretty, articulate, intelligent woman whom she felt threatened by, that is, her fears had nothing to do with Jodi’s behavior? Even women can be misogynists. There is an undercurrent of it prevalent in our society and it’s certainly rearing its ugly head in this case.

      • Renee B
        That has been the current Chant Jodi the slut by these Friends of Travis certainly not Poster Girls & Boys for their so called Religion. But Group thought. is part of that whole clique. They should not be appearing on HLN, and other hideous programs. Its propaganda that’s all follow the money. What are they so desperate about to cover up, it could not possibly be Travis was gay or something like that it probably something bigger. Its also not right for any group to prevent someone from getting a fair Trial.

        • I have been thinking the same thing. Gay Tendencies or Bi Sexual. An if you get into that then people want to rant that that is the NORM today? Really I don’t think in the LDS congregation it is.

          Really tired of hearing about Christians too seems some think the Christian thing to do is Scream from the Roof Tops OFF WITH HER HEAD or BURN HER AT THE STAKE an many other horrible things we have not done in 100’s of years. They act like she is a serial killer or child molester. I could understand that behavior really if that was the case.

          This is a case of self defense 2 people that had a very turbulent relationship an kept it all a secret for the fact they were SINNING an going against the LDS. Travis was not a VIRGIN the sex tape told too much no VIRGIN talks that way an knows so much. An does not say you taste better than any woman I have tasted! how can he have a comparison if he is a VIRGIN!

          They other side can get on sites an SLANDER JODI an make up some big fat LIES an the sheep keep following. Seriously THEY HATED JODI the DAY THEY MET HER ! therefore she never had a chance with TRAVIS for the FRIENDS of PPL an LDS came out an SAID they knew the FIRST DAY THEY MET HER. AN I am sure they let TRAVIS know that. After all he could do better with a Mormon woman with Mormon Parents who were higher up in the congregation of LDS that whole thing is a who you know an how high you get thing an woman are at the bottom of the pile in more ways than one. People want to say LDS has nothing to do with it but i beg to differ those 2 being in that congregation an sinning an being SECRET was because of the congregation they were attending. If Travis truly LOVED JODI he would have left he wanted to be MORE in the LDS way so Jodi truly was his dirty little secret that he told HORRIBLE SLANDEROUS LIES ABOUT to his friends. Makes me SICK ! where is the PROOF for Travis of tire slashing. Stalking. Sneaking in his unlocked HOUSE Email harassment all this other crap. I wish Jodi would stop protecting him but she won’t.

          If anything this puts a really good warning out to WOMEN OR MEN that are tempted to JOIN a CONGREGATION just so you can DATE someone. DON”T DO IT they have WARDS full of them they can date already. An I think they should stop that converting people they do not really accept them anyway at least in this case here I think it is horrible.

      • Tangent alert

        “Even women can be misogynists. ”

        Unfortunately there are many more of those than there should be. I have seen it a lot, I’m not a psychologist so I can’t figure out if it stems from self esteem issues or what. One that I was less than friends more than acquaintances with had no problem getting involved with men who were with other women and would totally believe the lies about the other woman…you know “We sleep in separate beds” “Our marriage is over but we live together.” “She is cold and doesn’t like sex.” blah blah blah. She somehow had no problem always blaming the other woman, when I would be thinking….”What the hell is wrong with this dude.”

        If women would all stand up for each other as sisters there would be a lot less grief in the world.

      • I would hope (but perhaps not) that if Jodi is found not guilty she could sue HLN for slander. They are destroying her life and I think if a lawyer could present all the mis-information and bias that’s been put forth, with such venom, perhaps a stop could be put to this type of so-called journalism. I know it smacks of First Amendment issues but I don’t think destroying people’s lives with one-sided opinions and innuendo, masquerading as “news”, should be protected.

  90. It could be a mistake but wasn’t he shorter than 5’11”? The arrest report says 5’11”.

    • The description of the injuries also look way worse on the alleged booking photo than what is described in the report.

      Do we have confirmation yet that it is Dennis?

  91. “He told HuffPost that he committed the crime and falsely identified himself to arresting police officers as Travis Alexander, then later passed himself off in court as his brother.”

    Now the brother admits he got all the way using his brother’s name? Originally he said they caught it.

    • “They tackled me and beat me up pretty good,” he said. “I was already on parole and would have went to prison, so I used Travis’ name and information. When they arrested me, they fingerprinted me, and put it in the computer and found out who I was. They sent me to prison for a parole violation.”

      Is this how the story changed?

      • yep. that be it JC.

        And they can’t find it within their hearts to cut jodi some slack on why she lied at first???

      • Yes because he wouldn’t have been able to attend the hearing if he was busted on a parole violation.

        Gah. I just can’t take their word! You know what I mean?

        Still waiting for fingerprints…

    • Yes and didn’t he say he went to prison for parole violation?

      Prison means you are being locked up for over 3 years. Jail is typically while pending trial ( doesn’t matter the length of time) and or if you will be there under 3 years.

      • In Arizona “Jail” means awaiting trial, if no bail granted or bail not paid, or a sentence under 12 months. Anything over 12 months is “Prison”. The only exception that I know of are some DUI convictions, 4 months mandatory Prison. I do not nkow if it is different in California, but with the over crowding issues there I doubt it.

    • Yeah, what I read on HuffPost was a quote from the brother saying something along the lines of, “one they fingerprinted me, they figured it out…”

      Why so many lies if it wasnt really Travis?

      • They don’t want their dirty laundry aired.

        So, Travis’ brother deserved a second chance, but jodi doesn’t for self defense? how do they fail to see this??? Travis’ brother saves in own skin from prison by lying…and they expect everyone else to tell the truth when confronted?

        Hypocrisy again.

      • “Why so many lies if it wasnt really Travis?”

        Yes thank you! First it was a friend. Then it was a stranger. Then it was a family member. Then the record was expunged (clearly it wasn’t). Then the PPL folks fixed it (it wasn’t).

        Sheesh, for something SO SIMPLE they are having a hard time clearing it up aren’t they??

        • I can understand them lying….but I am pissed off that they expect they are allowed to lie to save themselves and I guess no one else on the planet is allowed to.

          • The truth is always the truth even if no one believes, Lies are always lies even if every one believes

          • Oh I totally agree. One rule for them, one rule for the rest of us.

            Also, they can tell complete lies about Jodi, but then we can’t bring up a public record without being slandered. Interesting standards these people have, isn’t it?

          • Yep….

            Jodi lies – she’s a scheming, sociopathic bitch who deserves the needle.

            Travis/friends/family lie – eh, no big deal. Who hasn’t lied?

  92. Oh holy mother of God. I am now concerned that this has become a racial issue as to whether or not Jodi should receive the death penalty. I’m not at liberty to discuss exactly why I feel this way, but according to the conversation I just had with someone who is from a different race than Jodi, it could very well be the truth. This makes me very sad.

    • I’m sorry. I’m certain race does play a role in these thing as does her gender.

      • I think gender may be at issue, but I’m totally convinced that race may be of utmost importance. Which leads me to wonder, does anyone know the demographics of the jury?

        • I heard that they were all if not most “older folks” and that there were only 3 women.
          However, I am still confused about what you’re trying to get at.

          • There are some folks who believe that because she is white, she will not receive as harsh a sentence than she would if she was black.

              • actually, the three women on death row appear to be white. And there are 7 women and 11 men on the jury right now

            • Nationally, men of color are much more likely to be sentenced to death than white men. Men of color are also senteced to longer periods in prison than white men … nationally. This is one of several reasons why people like myself don’t support the DP.

              However, I have no idea if this pattern is evident nationally for women. Women are less likely to be sentanced to death than men regardless of race.

              Another note; AZ has harsher penalties for many crime compared to some other states. This may decrease the racial differences seen in other states. (Last part is a guess on my part).

        • I believe that the jury members (18) are almost exclusively white, with at least one hispanic. There are general descriptions out there I could go find if you need to know more

      • I don’t know about the jury, but the media persecution IMO is allowed because the defendant is a poor white woman.
        A poor black woman who rebelled against her abuser would get vilified too, but the media would have no qualms about showing the bad sides of her abuser, if he was Afro-American.
        St Travis was white, and male of course.

        • Good point!

          Someone posted a link to the ACLU (or someplace) that said that african americans and other nonwhite people are disproportionate recipients of the death penalty.

          I’ve always said that HLN’s coverage describing Travis as an “all american man” is both sexist and racist, because it implies that Jodi is not red blooded or all american due to the fact that she is Latino and a woman.

          HLN portrays itself as a progressive news network, but their coverage proves different!

  93. ****PLUS THIS GREAT NEWS! IT APPEARS BETH KARAS HAS BLOCKED MY COMMENTS NOW! FIRST WAS ONE OF JOEY JACKSON’S SITES, THEN CASEY JORDAN, AND NOW BETH KARAS! WE ARE DOING SOMETHING VERY RIGHT, FOLKS! THIS IS A HUGE SIGN! TO BE FAIR, JEAN CASAERUS REX WAS, A FEW DAYS AGO, VERY POLITE AND EVEN PERSONALLY RESPONDED TO A POST IN A POLITE, PROFESSIONAL, AND HELPFUL MANNER! LET’S KEEP HER FOR NOW!:) NOW, THIS JUST POSTED TO FACEBOOK:

    Mr. Lieberman and all the other lawyers and so-called experts talking out their anuses and scrambling to get their 15 minutes of fame on a dead guy’s back and a potentially dead woman’s back, listen up: Let’s see, we found Public Records from Riverside County, CA where Travis had once lived that listed Travis V. Alexander, Born 7-28-77, with charges of Battery Against a Peace Officer, Burglary, Shoplifting, and Failure to Appear…Hmmm…Is it preposterous to think this was an oversight on the defense’s part and we should just forget we ever saw it? That’s beside the point. So far, the “confirmation” that this was Travis’ brother, Dennis, depends on your definition of “confirmation”. Which if we use the same standards we used in determining that this record of criminal charges had been “expunged”, all of us rational, logical thinkers would still be having a problem with “confirmation”. Kinda perplexing why that doubt doesn’t seem to affect HLN? Maybe it’s because they have only a cursory interest in truly factual reporting, you know, journalism? Huffington Post at least has gone to some efforts. Please, HLN, make an effort to have a few of the Jodi supporters on your show….if you dare….A handful actually know Jodi, or have met her. I have not. They are a wealth of professionals and lay people with all kinds of backgrounds, highly intelligent, and without a “dog in this race” so to speak, except to further the cause of justice based on the whole truth, not just the “convenient truth”. It appears you will have anyone on your shows who has so much as torn a movie ticket stub for Jodi and is willing to say they got a “creepy feeling” from her. Honestly, I doubt if any of them would even respond to a request since it’s become painfully clear you are now no more credible than the National Enquirer in reporting and commenting on this trial. This little “conspiracy theory” that HLN likes to call the efforts to verify public records in a case that involves the possible death by lethal injection of Jodi Arias, another human being as yet considered by the law as “innocent until proven guilty” , has revealed so very much more. Not inconsequential, but that one “true crime writer” Shannon Hagan made a knee jerk attempt to squelch the story, and her denial included several inconsistencies with the thus revealed facts. Two, if we are to believe what Shannon and the family said, the PrePaid Legal Plan which Shannon wrote in her unfinished, unpublished book, according to Travis, “expunged” this “identity theft” debacle…in one hour! Oh my…. Perhaps they failed to include the part where one must have special 3D glasses issued with one’s membership in the PrePaid Legal Plan that, when wearing them, anything bad …simply goes away….The Court of Public Opinion is open to all, HLN and others, and when it is in the interest of justice for the truth to be revealed, it will be… Next, information will be revealed that supports the possibility that claims of involvement in pedophilia are not so preposterous after all…And remember, sticks and stones will…well, you know…but slander may get you sued (yeah, we know you’d likely settle….like Nancy did) and threats of violence will be reported to law enforcement, Santa Claus, and yes, the Easter Bunny…..Have a wonderful evening! http://www.change.org/petitions/trial-by-media-is-wrong-stop-the-spin-headline-news-hln-nancy-grace-jane-velez-mitchell-jean-casarez-vinnie-politan-dr-drew

  94. “The sheriff’s department took Dennis Alexander’s claims seriously and worked diligently Tuesday to determine whether he was telling the truth. After comparing photos of Dennis Alexander to the booking photo for the 2002 arrest, authorities ordered the comparison of fingerprint records from the arrest in question with prints on file from Dennis Alexander’s other arrests. The department completed the verification process Tuesday evening.”
    Huffingtom Post
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/12/fingerprint-records-travis-alexander_n_2863688.html

    Nice of him to fess up and clear his brother’s name 5 years after his death. So if this never came up, he would have never “cleared it up”???? Charges of Identity theft / Impersonation forthcoming I suppose? With family members like that, who needs enemies?

    • That’s what I asked Before I guess he should be charged for Identity Theft. But how was Travis able to get a car or whatever with a Criminal Record???

        • here in AZ it may have kept him from buying a gun at a gun shop(not sure), but a private party sale at a gun show, or garage sale(yep we have people selling them at garage sales, true story) would work.

          You don’t register guns here, and you don’t need a permit to openly carry a gun. Only when you want to carry a concealed gun.

          I don’t see how it would prevent him from getting a car?

          • Wasn’t this a misdemeanor conviction? It really surprises me that AZ has any restrictions on gun sales to people convicted of misdemeanors. I’ve lived in several states and none of them had restrictions on sales to those with misdemeanor convictions. Live & learn I guess.

            • as far as I know it’s only felony convictions that keep you from buying a gun, but I could be wrong

    • Furthermore, why wouldn’t Travis had tried to clear his own name, knowing what he knew?

      • That’s been my point on multiple posts…he took the fall for his brother and ended up with a criminal record? Wow, I wouldn’t do that for my brother.

    • And…..they obviously did not catch him the minute they finger printed him in 2002, or he wouldn’t have had to go “clear it up” now.

      • well if the huff post article is right, he was remanded to prison once they found out because when they realized it was him (dennis) they also realized he violated probation.

          • well I think riverside was under media pressure too. I don’t think it was about him LOL

  95. So how are those public records checks going for all the other play-uhs? You know all those “dear friends” of Travis’? The ones who didn’t smell his dead body for 5 or more days? The ones who appear never to have even sent a text message or e-mail, or left a voicemail for Travis during those 5 days? Did they think he was in Cancun and we all know you can’t get cell reception or internet in Cancun? ………What ever happened to that friend, Ashley Reed (Thompson), wife of Dustin Thompson, who called in an anonymous tip to law enforcement that Dustin had been acting strangely during the time of the incident? And who appeared to be such good friends with Travis, that she requested private messaging on his myspace page. She died in 2010, allegedly from a self-inflicted gunshot wound. Did Dustin and Ashley have any children? And was Dustin the same Dustin as the one who is now serving a jail sentence for fraud, according to FBI reports? Was this the same Dustin who was, allegedly, never actually interviewed by investigators?

    http://www.change.org/petitions/trial-by-media-is-wrong-stop-the-spin-headline-news-hln-nancy-grace-jane-velez-mitchell-jean-casarez-vinnie-politan-dr-drew

    • I want to know about these people. Where is the info coming from regarding Ash*ey’s cause of death?
      I’ve been to a MySpace page that I thought was the Du*tin in question, and it was very interesting to say the least. However, I have never posted the link because I would hate to do that, and find out later that it belongs to a whole different Du*tin. But dang, I want to know.

    • Maybe I am too suspicious but I don’t really believe it based on the photo and the media frenzy and the obvious cover up going on. with members of this particular group. The whole Black eye thing does look weird like the Dog in The Little Rascals. But we had Weapons of Mass Deception, Benghazi gate, could this be Jodi Gate you never know, But Jane is having an extra program I heard I stopped watching HLN,
      I can imagine Nancy Grace she must really be SO ANGRY!!!!,

      • I’m willing to concede that it wasn’t TA. But, it doesn’t change anything for me. I believed he was abusive before these records came to light and I still do.

      • Actually the past 2 days Nancy Grace has only been showing the old trial parts an not saying much I wonder if she got her butt spanked I have never seen her this quiet when so much was going on. But I like it………I too stopped watching the shows but I always manage to flip through there.

  96. Regardless of this new stuff about brother Dennis, I still contend that Jodi doesn’t deserve the death penalty.

  97. What a stupid statement:

    “The outcome of the sheriff’s office investigation casts further doubt on Arias’s claim that Travis Alexander was as an abusive boyfriend”
    Huffington Post

    A case of identity theft does nothing to cast further doubt on Arias’s claim! The defense didn’t admit these records…….The belief (by us) in “ARIAS’S CLAIMS was there,long before these records were found. It has NO impact on her case whatsoever. Dummies.

    • Jodi never made any claim at all. The HP needs to tell the truth for once. This had nothing to do with the lawyers involved but was purely confined to the internet.

  98. Regardless of the end result, I wanted to thank you all for being concerned and taking the time to dissect and discuss PUBLIC records that can be/could’ve been relevant to Jodi’s trial.

    As many have stated, we have done nothing wrong in trying to find truth and justice for Jodi.
    We are Team Jodi, that they cannot change.

    • If we present facts, and there are mistakes (and crimes) found that were created by others, then so be it. If anything, we helped to clear something up that would have remained for a life time if left up to that brother of his. So, like you said, regardless of outcome, I think this was a good thing and no, we did nothing wrong here. Just presented facts as they are written and available by any member of the public to read. Certainly not our fault that his brother was a criminal.

  99. I have on Dr Drew and I am not sure if i want to watch it. I have a feeling it is going to make me mad

    • How is the Jury not going to base their decision on what Jodi has testify to? That is a bunch of crap. This Jury is normal, everyday people.

  100. Is anyone else wondering why HLN didn’t bother to go to Riverside before reporting on this? Why did it take someone from Huffington Post to investigate this? You’d think, since HLN has invested so much airtime to this case they’d be the ones to pony up the money or manpower to sort this out and take credit for solving it.

    One out of many questions I have about this bizarre clerical error.

    • Well that’s obvious … if it had been Travis, HLN would have had some super spinning to do. It’s so much easier to just keep putting on friends and families.

      • Right, but JVM was waving the court documents around, and Jon Leiberman was blowing a gasket about how all this is “defamation” ect.

        If it was so easily refuted, why not just go to Riverside and get the proof that there was an error? No need to scream at the Jodi supporters, accusing us all of character assassination. The whole point of searching for the record was to see if there was anything substantial to what someone pro-Travis was saying, the record if correct, would have spoken for itself.

        They were so PISSED. If they can pay Nancy Grace five million dollars a year, surely they can spend a paltry couple hundred to get their story straight. No need to put psycho-eyed Jon Leiberman on to condemn anyone, in fact anyone could have found this record if they searched for it. And with a high profile case, it is almost guaranteed that someone would have run across it. Someone give the man a tranquilizer. lol

  101. i’m in a texting debate right now about jodi arias and the premeditation factor, and my soon-to-be ex friend just asked me why then would jodi claim travis didn’t have a gun during the interrogation with flores.. i remember that part of the interrogatioin, but i cant remember what she said on the stand as to why she lied about that (and i want to reply quickly).. someone help! i came here real quick hoping someone would know the answer..

    he watches nancy disgrace and jane the lez mitchell.. cant stand either of them! i have nothing against anyone who is gay, btw. its just a pet name ive given her : )

    • She was not able to answer that question. The most she was able to say in response to that was something like “I wanted them to believe the exact opposite”. She implied that there was a reason for that lie but was not able to explain it.

      • thanks, jess.. jodi was very honest with the fact that she lied to them bc she didnt want to be implicated in his death.. i get that, its just annoying when someone always comes back with something else.. “well u think she would have wanted to say there was a gun in the house so that if she had to claim self defense, her story would make more sense.” i just said that at that point she was still going with the whole intruder part of the story, but ive just learned theres no arguing with the supporters. theres always something else..and i guess its the same with us who support her, we’ll always have an explanation too, i guess..

        and cindyp.. its actually not simple at all, its very complicated.. they already were accusing her of using it! she had already been arrested..

        my main point to my friend is how on earth would she know whether or not hed be alone in that house.. if she supposedly planned this a week or 2 before his death, what did she do? ask travis where the roommates would be at 4am on june 4th? no one would take the chance of getting seen by one of the nieghbors or roommates.. and what if she got there and everyone was home? would she still have done it? theres no way that she could have planned and predicted all of the circumstances that ended up the way they did.. especially with the whole camera thing.. so she decided “im going to take pics of him in the shower and then stab him” yea right! ppl make mistakes during killings, but if that was her plan, she would have taken the damn camera with her! so annoying..

        • not to mention, she was short on money, as weve seen on her bank statements.. so that would be quite the expense (travel, gas, gas cans, food, etc) to just “hope” that all the cirmcumstances were in her favor.. and dont u think she would have known that ryan burnes would NOT be an alibi and would look bad on her behalf, as it’s pretty obvious that he was expecting her a day prior.. ok, im done. and im annoyed.

    • Caligirl – It’s simple… Jodi was trying to hide the fact that she did it because she was ashamed. If she admitted that she knew TA had a gun then they could easily have accused her of using it (she was the gf, she knew where it was, she was there). So claiming he did not have a gun was her way of still trying to hide what had happened.

  102. First, let me say that me paying for and downloading the records for Travis’ brother (and previously Travis – tho not the first to do that) was because of the story given by Shanna Hogan. I knew from the very beginning something was amiss when she claimed that the record had been expunged in an hour!

    Shanna makes those of us with degrees in journalism cringe. She did not investigate this – she took the word of whomever gave her that information in the beginning. I mean, for crying out loud, she quoted a dead person!!

    Only when she was exposed did she even remotely back peddle and state that she talked to the family to clear it up.

    It was only through the pushing of people on this site that the truth came out. The Jodi haters just took Shanna at her word – never even questioned what she wrote. Thankfully, I was taught to question when something did not “smell” right.

    JVM and her crew are no better. They took information that was uncovered by others and did NO further investigation into the matter. Once again, only believing Shanna Hogan.

    Further, the brother’s story was suspect. Things just did not match up.

    As we all know, it wasn’t until Huff Post got involved that this whole thing has now been cleared up.

    Personally, I think it is awful what Travis’ brother did to him. Further, I think the Riverside Police need to get their act together.

    Both of my parents were law enforcement. I used to do ride-a-longs with my mom. Never once did I see sloppy police work done by her. Neither of them were ever investigated for improper investigations (or anything else).

    Frankly, I am a little distressed that Nurmi and Wilcox did not investigate this earlier. It’s obvious to me that they didn’t or they wouldn’t have just written a motion to compel his criminal record.

    While this instance did not prove TA to have a criminal record, it does not mean he wasn’t abusive to Jodi. Abusers don’t “take to the streets” and shout out to the world that their beating on another person. They are very cunning and conniving.

    So, we will press on for Jodi.

    Personally, I am glad I am with people who have great minds and question things. We are all very intelligent on this site and I am thankful to be on your company! 🙂

    • Nicole,

      I so agree with you! I originally thought the story about Travis could not have been true because surely the defense would have introduced this already. I thought it was big enough to even should have been in opening statements IF true. But when I heard they did a motion to compel JUST today, I was shocked and big time disheartened for Jodi. But, maybe they were told by Jodi or someone else it was a mix up and knew not true so did not waste their time and decided today to just cover all bases just in case.

  103. Actually they are wrong But Huff Post is the worst Rag What can I say they are all the same

    • While Huff Post may be the “worst rag,” I have to commend them for getting to the bottom of this issue by actually doing, pray tell, INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALISM!

      Neither Shanna Hogan nor JVM did any further investigating. They went on hearsay and weren’t even correct on that.

      • Yeah, at least Huff Po didn’t take the “PPL cleared this all up in one hour!” story at face value. Anyone could see that that was bullshit, but the pro-pros boards ate it up.

      • All the Journals are the same Rags Huff had quiet a spin on it and I am wary of what comes out of the Main Stream Media

  105. I would hope (but perhaps not) that if Jodi is found not guilty she could sue HLN for slander. They are destroying her life and I think if a lawyer could present all the mis-information and bias that’s been put forth, with such venom, perhaps a stop could be put to this type of so-called journalism. I know it smacks of First Amendment issues but I don’t think destroying people’s lives with one-sided opinions and innuendo, masquerading as “news”, should be protected.

  106. FROM FACEBOOK:

    Kim Lapara David Travis sent this TEXT to #JodiArias:
    I sent you a response to your dire conversation, that I hope you read because you need to read it. Maybe it will spark human emotion in you, something that only seems to exist when it comes to your own problems. But everyone
    else is just a part of your sick agenda. By the way, your pic comment to Danny Jones makes you look like a pure whore, even more to the people who know you. You should be embarrassed by it. If he knew what I knew about you he’d spit in your face. So would everyone else. I have never never in my life been hurt so bad by someone. But why do I
    even say it because you don’t care. It doesn’t serve
    your evilness. You couldn’t get off your lazy butt to to read it could you. That’s the sociopath (I) know so well. it freaking figures I don’t want your apology I want you to understand what I think of you. I want you to understand how evil I think you are. You are the worst thing that ever
    happened to me. you have that information. its 15 minutes it would take to gt the info. But you won’t take 15 minutes. Why because it is an Fucking lie. So either text me you that you are ready to tell the truth or give me your imaginary friend with the worst BS story you have ever told or leave me alone. Its a lie like no other. It is freaking foolish. There is no way out of it, you have screwed up your story so bad you can’t mend it. You are caught. When will you realize that. I do not know. You have til tomorrow. to have me this persons information before I tell all of the Hughes’ Leslie Udy, the Freemans, your parents and anyone else that matters about all the crazy things you have done. So either fess up or feel the wrath. No matter how bad the truth is I promise you the punishment will be
    better than the lie. This is worse than your magical
    email that a mysterious man you’ve never seen before
    wrote for you. You insult me by thinking ill believe such
    crap. nothing else from you til the truth. I already know
    your lying so why continue. After tomorrow, its gonna
    get real bad for you. Time to spit it out….END

    Sandra Webber Amazing how someone can read the above e-mail from Travis and not see the projection, or his threat at the end…oh….my…. “After tomorrow, its gonna
    get real bad for you.” ( Love, St. Travis……) Thanks for posting this, Kim

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    • You all realize this appears to be a wildly disproportional response to her talking or flirting with another man? It is jealousy. And it is a projection of his own worse traits onto her.

      Good Grief! That is Psychology 101!

    • And that, is how he demands that she tell him who the guy is who emailed her. Lovely.
      He doesn’t sound too level headed to me. He sounds like he’s losing a battle to control the sh*t out of someone. ABUSIVE MUCH?

      • What is this email about? Because she was online talking to someone? This is horrible, spit in your face, how does this not show what vindictive mean person he is. but the haters twist this to say he knew what a horrible person JA is, he knew she was a sociopath, etc.

        • I believe so. I posted from FB, so it’s second hand, but I believe it is also somewhere else on line. Yeah, what a lovely guy! I do believe Nurmi wanted many more emails to come into evidence, but didn’t get them. We really, really need some REAL psychologists to come in and actually use the DSM, as intended. I actually heard one of the “experts” talk about making up another diagnosis for Jodi..because they just could’t get their heads around the fact that she did NOT fit any accepted criteria for a sociopath or psychopath….duh….as they have lead millions to believe….Lord help us all if what they are spewing is ever looked at as a “professional” assessment…………….

          Wish I could invite everyone over for a cup of coffee so we could hash this out in person, and congratulate ourselves for the very big accomplishment in making HLN and the Huffington Post….dance….in the name of justice!

          • I believe that nasty writing to Jody was simply because some guy had emailed her a nice email. She didn’t want to tell TA who is was from. That was his way of trying to make her “give him the guy’s info”. Then, he accuses her in it of making it all up – no guy really emailed her…..(translates to – No this can’t be happening, I don’t own her? I must be a fairy tale……NOOOOOOOOO”…….a tantrum from a controlling freak.

          • Coffee sounds fun, Maggie! You are so awesome, you are such an asset to this group!

    • Maggie-
      This was actually in evidence if memory serves me correctly.

      I don’t think the arrest record, not being Travis, diminishes the knowledge that Travis had a propensity toward violence. I believe any real expert, not HLN type expert, will be able to testify that this type of communication is indicative of an abusive relationship. That coupled with the taped phone call, I believe would give any juror pause, if not more.

  107. Sick! HLN all saying put her to death. They truly believe it will happen, except for one of the panel.

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    • Yes an saying it with PRIDE too an BIG FAT SMILES ! I could just really THROW UP ON THEM ALL ! they make me that sick !

    • I truly do not think that she’ll get death. The jury has at least one or two members that have connected with her, and she’s been talking to them for days now. The decision to send someone to be killed is not an easy one.

  108. Hi Jess! The info about Ashley Reed Thompson came from one of Maggie’s earlier postings. Also, Maggie, were you able to learn anything more about this woman?

    Although I don’t know much about Ashley and Dustin Thompson, I do know that Ashley and Travis were pretty close-in fact, she wanted to move into Travis’ house after she left her husband but Travis didn’t think that would look too good with her living there, so he decided against it. I understand Dustin was also jealous of Travis’ friendship with his wife. However, all of this is just what I’ve read so I don’t know how much truth there is or if there’s more to the story than we know. Nevertheless, that Ashley shot herself is tragic as well as significant as people don’t kill themselves unless they are psychologically falling apart due to some perceived trauma in their lives-or the gun went off simply by accident. If her death was not an accident, one has to wonder if her feelings about the death of Travis might have contributed to her action in any way. Just some thoughts……

      • LOL BeeCee, Now you’ve got me laughing my guts out. You’re too funny and WAY SUBTLE! I just meant that I wouldn’t want to post a MySpace link to a Du*tin Thomp*on here without knowing it was him, and then if it wasn’t, I would feel like I mislead everyone here. So should I post a link to a MySpace page, if I’m not sure it belongs to the person we are interested in? Yes? No? Not true……RIGHT?
        Lol
        I’m going to go find my way back there (to myspace) after I spend a minute with the hubby. He’s bugging me to watch Young and the Restless (ghawd!) I fast forward through about 3 scenes at a time when he blinks…….Then I’ll be back on here tonight and we can play around with this Du*tin stuff. I NEED answers!!!!

        • LOLOL Jess!

          Compare his pictures to the ones on the FB…look at his friends list, that is one way to know.

          🙂

          I’ll do a look see around myspace and see if I find it.

          • too many of them, if you are afraid to post the link it’s ok…you could post it away on a page no one sees, LOLOLOL

            • That will be my mission tonight. Let’s see, it’s 12:30am here so I have a couple of hours to cruise around. And, I did finally create a dummy FB account the other day so I can see things. That should help.

              I just realized….we’ve had no heat or hot water here for 3 days, and I didn’t even notice. This site really is amazing – stimulating.

              The workers are coming tomorrow to fix everything (had a carbon monoxide leak- secretly hoping it’s the cause of all the crazy in this house). Anyway, all I can think of is that they better not interrupt me while the trial is on.

        • off topic but funny – I watch GH with my husband but I like it more than him. He’s been pissed ever since Steve Burton who played Jason left and went over the TYTR LMBO!

          • I was disappointed to that he went there, I knew then he wouldn’t be back for awhile. Hey a body can last a long time in port. lol

          • That’s how it always starts…..the man pretends he’s just supporting you through your show, and then when a character leaves, you see his true colors. He’s more addicted that you are. LOL I actually overheard the hubby talking to his friend long distance, using all of these vaguely familiar, but weird names, like Victor, and Nicky, and on and on it went until I realized these guys are talking about the Young and Restless…. He likes it WAY more than I do now.

  109. My 19 year old just asked, “what was her motive to kill him”? good question. btw he believes she done it in self defense.

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  111. Has anyone posted the Flores Report or the posts on TA’s Myspace from Ashley or the other “weird” post from some guy (poem about Twas the night b4 Christmas and TA was trolling for little boys) on some of the hate sites? Just curious what stories the haters would make up or spin…

  112. Ok in case anyone reads this that is so pro Travis I am sorry but that is the dumbest thing I ever heard. That Jodi wrote a script an that is what the SEX TAPE really was.

    My theory on the tape is either Travis really did like to listen too that stuff an whack off to it. Or Jodi had a double agent friend in that group that called an told her about all the things that Travis was claiming she had done to him an his new girlfriend’s as in STALKING TIRE SLASHING EMAILS ETC. We know sometimes we have friends that work both sides it happens on this site even.

    Ok the reason being I think that is because there is NO WAY possible unless one of those friends that went to TRAVIS”S HOUSE on a MONDAY night at 10 pm had called somebody an that called somebody or it was one of them at the scene somebody told JODI. As she called Det. Flores before he even entered the HOUSE OF TRAVIS. That is too much of a coincidence since they all already stated they HATED JODI or FELT SHE WAS strange gave off weird vibes bla bla bla there was one FRIEND that played both sides. I do believe that.

    So she made that tape for proof if needed an i do not blame her not one bit. I only wish she thought of a hidden camera in his bedroom or if he was so scared he should have had one. He was just a user an abuser Gus Searcy is the only one to tell the truth about this an he has nothing too win from it. Hughes even called him first an wanted to know what he was going to say? there is a group that is WEIRD IN MESA ARIZONA I guarantee that !

  113. I think some are missing the big issue of the 3rd gas can – totally missing why JM is chasing Jodi down the rabbit hole.

    JM going after the number of gas cans is NOT a nothingburger. and at this point it is about a lot more than proving premeditation.
    If he can prove the 3rd gas can was not returned and worse it was filled in SLC or elsewhere, he can impeach Jodi and her entire testimony can not be considered by the jury. Her entire testimony. Then she sits with an affirmative defense like self defense with not taking the stand – ie no record of her statement of what went on in that bathroom, and everything she has claimed about abuse.
    Ouch
    So at that point, what are the abuse experts testifying about beyond explaining what abuse is? Absolutely nothing for JA
    And considering that Motion to Compel the Walmart and Tesoro records look to be filed by the state, it is a very real possibility.
    And Jodi will have no one to blame for that – it is why you do not lie on the stand.

    • She received cash id doesn’t matter because the defense can prove that Walmart does return items without a receipt its on their website, there is no video footage and I think he threw it out their to scare her she says she returned it. The jury asked mucho questions on memory Not Gas Cans, He wants a death penalty case. That’s why the media is so desperate. I do not believe he can prove she lied because of Walmarts Policies as written on their website they don’t have to have a record.

      • I know someone that works at walmart in the office department. I am going to see if I can get an answer if they keep records.

      • Oliveiro,

        I think you may be right, but the thing is they don’t give cash without a receipt. That I know is true because I talked to that Regional manager.

        • Who knows … maybe their return policy was different in 2008. Some stores will give cash with out a receipt if it is under a certain amount, like $5. Maybe that was their policy at the time.

        • Amelia
          Even if that is not store policy it does happen, You can return without a receipt and no one, I could be wrong, is going to get the Death Penalty for this. There really is no way of knowing. She said that she received cash and she was indeed believable. I thought it was a BS question trying to get her to make up a story. Also Lawyers that commented on Jodi and Prosecutor didn’t give much credence to the gas cans, criticised Martinez for spending too much time on it. I think the problem will be memory. As far as abuse their are all forms of abuse psychological where some one might be enamored with another who they see as a spiritual adviser etc. From the Taped Phone Calls it was an abusive relationship, I do not think she is going to walk she will get Murder 1 with No Death Penalty or a lesser sentence. You have to feel sorry for her and also Travis they both had serious problems and we really do not know what happened that day. But I personally I do not see premeditation no one plans to stab someone 27 times. There is a lot to this we do not know. Martinez is too abusive in manner & tries too much to be slick & dishonest this doesn’t always sit well with Jurors. They are not watching TV Spin.

          • No receipt? No problem
            We do accept returns without a receipt. You will have the option of a cash refund (if the purchase was under $25)

      • The receipt and their return policies doesn’t matter. What matters if their records show a gas can was keyed in as a return. That’s it, and unless the defense is gonna try to tear down Walmart’s record keeping, the door is open for impeachment.

        Whatever the records show, Walmart is going to very strongly defend their record keeping, they are impartial in this case and such is important in their business model. So the Motion to Compel comes down to what side it ends up favoring. And the state was the one who filed it, what your opinion on what that means is your own to make.

        • But people on the Jury are aware that record keeping can be sketchy, especially since it was 5 Years ago. We have many illegal Immigrants working in these stores, proven to have no records. etc. Look at what happened to the Criminal Record of Travis. one would assume Law enforcement would have corrected such an error, its incredible the didn’t .The defense can also ask Walmart to produce all returns of that day or year. So it will become time consuming nonsense that the Jury will not be able digest.. The fact that she did not receive any Therapy because it was not available to her is sad. I do not think she is a vicious mean person, She had deep feelings for him and their is No evidence she was stalking him or was ever violent so their is some issue that is not being addressed.. A friend of Travis stated she was always very nice she said something to the effect that she had full access to his home.

        • How do you know the state filed it. All records in the criminal case history on the Maricopa County Superior Court site are marked Party (001) even ones we know the defense filed.

    • You are assuming she is lying about the gas can.

      I believe she is telling the truth.

      why are you here again?

      • Right I know she was telling the Truth. He also said would it surprise you that their is no record , but they may have No Record of anyone that day.

    • I am glad you brought this up. This gas can thing is huge. All of the points you made were excellent. If Jodi is found to be lying, under oath now, the jury can throw out everything she said. The claims of abuse, the pics of boys, the anger about the camera, EVREYTHING. Without that ur left with a rental car, multiple ple cash transactions, and “side trip” NO one else knew she was taking. A stolen gun, and a man who was stabbed and shot brutally. And there is no reason…because the reason she gave you is inadmisable. And the jury will have no problem sealing her fate, especially if they KNOW she lied to them. She had a chance to be heard, and she’s gonna lie about that 3rd gas can, which wouldn’t have proven premed anyway. I mean no offense, and do not want to ruffle any feathers….I just find this to be a very big deal. I come to this site because its very insightful, and we can have adult coversations about the truth, and not some bs media spin. Does anyone else see what this may mean?

      Also, on a sort of off topic point, but the reason I wanted to post anyway; with the insane amt of media coverage, and the fact that this jury is not sequestered, could that alone be grounds for an appeal?

      • I’m glad that Samantha brought this up, too. I understood that the gas cans are important, but not that they could potentially undermine her whole testimony.

        For the most part, I’ve been concerned about the conflicts between Jodi and the ME’s testimony.

      • I do not think she lied, She said I received cash and that’s what Walmart states on their website no receipt no problem Having a record of this from 5 years ago, I doubt it Employees come and go there I have returned things with no receipt, where i received money and that was it.

    • I know what you’re saying, but the jury still heard her testimony regardless. Even if they can’t legally consider it, it will be in the back of their minds.

      I hope that Martinez is mistaken; it wouldn’t be the first time. In another trial, he tried to tell the defedant that he was wrong about when his wife’s birthday was.

      • And used the same language: “What if I told you that her birthday was on Septermber 5th?”

        “You’re wrong, it was February 5th.”

  114. In other words, if JM can impeach Jodi via the gas can, this turns into a slam dunk as no one but Jodi has ever claimed any bad acts by Travis’ hands and inflicted upon Jodi and Jodi’s entore testimony can not be considered by the jury.
    IMO she really should have realized her lawyer wasn’t tossing her a life ring for shits and grins. He was tossing it to her to save her life and she decided alone not to grab the rope.

    • It still doesn’t prove premeditation.

      This is what happens when you overcharge a case and have nothing to prove premeditation or motive.

      • Are you missing the point?
        There are consequences for lying on the stand
        Jodi IS the defense case. All her explanations for the license plate ( the skaters), fear for her life, her finger picture and injury claim, her choking claim, her hair color claims, etc – I could go on and on, but most importantly her assertion the gun shot was first. Everything. Is. Gone.
        All that is left is 2 expert witnesses who can not reflect on anything Jodi said on the stand, they are just paid fodder
        IOW all that is left is the prosecution’s case, everything, especially the ME and his sequencing. That is BAD.
        Remember this is a death qualified jury. And one, if she is impeached, that is basically deliberating solely on the what the prosecution has presented.

        Think about that, think about never hearing a word from Jodi. It IS a death sentence.

        • If that is what you want, you better hope they can prove of without a doubt, because they have jack shit right now.

          why are you here again?

          So far Kermit hasn’t proved A.N.Y.T.H.I.N.G.

          • Some very reputable Lawyers have completely given no credit to Gas Cans its Fog Fog Fog, he can’t impeach her there is no way of knowing. No matter what tricks he plays.

            • Yep…like Vladimir Gagic said, any big bombshells would have come out during the CIC. Kermit can say now that there’s no record of a return, but he can’t prove that Jodi never made the return. Store records are not always accurate.

        • Yeah Samantha, who you are trying to convince?
          Martinez/Media hasn’t turned my brain to mush – you’re in the wrong place for that.

          P.S. BeeCee, I thought you said “we’re here again!”, referring to the 3rd gas can talk. Though thats not what you said, it made me realize how truly exhausting this 3rd gas can b.s. has gotten.

        • Also they do not throw away testimony, they tell the jurors they can disregard if they feel it is not the truth, but I’ve have never heard of any court removing the entire testimony of anyone.

        • There is NO WAY in hell, the entire jury will decide that she is lying about the gas cans, and throw her entire testimony out. As you said yourself “The Jury MAY discard her testimony” MAY MAY MAY……Do you really think they all will? Remember, this has to be a unanimous verdict.
          If JM has PROOF that she lied about the 3rd gas can, then yes they MAY MAY MAY consider her testimony as 0. But I can guarantee you, there is at least one juror on that panel that has returned items to a store before and has dealt with improper procedure (of some sort) at the cash register.
          The very fact that JM is hinging his entire case and HOPES on this gas can at this point, should tell you that he is a LOSING man.

          By the way, I can already see your post below and yes, they do need to prove pre-meditation to find her guilty of M1. Juries are people, not computers. They don’t work the way you’re expecting them to right now. I don’t think anyone was missing the point about the gas can, as it became clear on the last day of court what he was trying to do with it. Some (maybe alot) of us just think it’s dumb.

      • But the state doesn’t have to prove premeditation, though they of course are going to try as it is one of 2 charges. However the secondary charge is felony murder. Felony murder is 1st degree and also carries a death sentence. If the jury finds for either, she is death eligible during the sentencing phase.

        • Yes they do have to prove premed. If they don’t no M1, no dp without it, no premed best they can get is M2.

        • But as Casey Anthony’s Lawyer stated in one of the Interviews he doesn’t believe that the Jury will give her the Death Penalty

    • Samantha,

      Im confused. When he you say nurmi threw her a rope, do you mean a certain question he asked? If so, what question?

      • Good question, JC.

        I’d also like to know what you mean about Nurmi throwing her a lifeline. If you mean it in a general way, I think I get you. But, not about the gas cans specifically.

      • JC
        There were a lot of ropes. A whole lotta ropes.
        In particular do you remember when Nurmi would ask her one leading question after another and she would just veer totally away from what he was asking – the answer he was obviously looking to talk about?

        He even left the opportunity for her to basically avoid talking about the entire visit to Walmart, which would have made it very difficult for JM to hash out with her on cross. He would have had a hell of a time getting any discussion of it on cross. But no, Jodi rambles on and goes into it on direct despite Nurmi’s rope. After she FUBARed that and brought the trip to Walmart in, he then gave her a opportunity to admit to the 3rd can, which she should have done, it is not a material thing for premeditation. And if it HAD to come in because she insisted on over answering, the way to do it was to admit to it while still in friendly direct territory.

        If it exists and she just had to talk about it, it was stupid to deny it if it was used, and even stupider not to do it on direct. Stupid. Stupid, Stupid. Can’t stress that enough. And worse, it opened the door as well as laid out the red carpet for JM on cross. Now they have her firmly denying it and looking at a Motion to Compel. Walmart WILL have those records, in the business world they are known for their record keeping, This was only 5 years ago, Walmart is known to track and document every penny for a decade. Every. penny. for. a. decade.

        Jodi has been and continues to be her own worst enemy. She underestimates the state and tries to hard to fit her story with the forensics. Egging JM doesn’t help either ( and I’m sorry but you have to admit she pretty much plays “catch ,me if you can” with him. She thinks she is a good witness but she isn’t.

        Proof in the pudding
        Everything took a VERY grave turn on JM’s last question Thursday, the “Would you be surprised of Walmart…. ” question. That question wasn’;t a run of the mill question – far from it. THAT was done on purpose and for full and devastating effect. You watch.

        IMO it looks like she is gonna get caught with her pants down and potentially in a way that she can’t pull them up. I don’t know what a judge does in a capital case when a prosecutor moves to impeach such. I would not want to find pout though, court rules are court rules, and this is a pretty basic one, as basic as they get. You lie, you get impeached. your testimony doesn’t count..

        I’ll look for examples on cross if you want as well as find the exact rope she refused. Might take some time, don”t know exactly where it is. But I remembered it and when it was asked, I said “Oh shit, he didn’t ask what seems like such an innocuous out of the blue question for nothing.” And sure enough, JM objected to it and made sure her answer left no ambiguity. Worse JM did a wash, rinse, repeat of it after JM’s cross where he pounded even harder on it. The whole history of it is why people talk about the cans so much – it all comes back to and started when when Nuirmi first asked on direct and JA did one of her, “I’m gonna give a much bigger answer to this than my attorney is asking b/c I think it will help me”

        I have to say, she would be a horrible client to have to represent. Along with having a very difficult case to defend and the history of falsehoods, it is obvious she just refuses to consider advice is given for a reason and overrules it. She should have remembered that she knew she was over her head when she tried to defend herself. Now she is trying to have the best of both worlds – having them files the legal stuff she doesn’t understand but assert she knows what is the best way to testify – and it is gonna damn her.

        I know that is not what people here wanna hear, but it is what is.

        • The jury will decide whether she is effectively “impeached” or not. There is not “impeachment track” or whatever you are trying to express. JM can TRY to impeach Jodi’s testimony on this one issue, it may mor may not work, and we will probably never know what actual effect it had. It may be that JM has some Perry Mason Wal Mart witness that will say, “I am in charge of all returns at all times at Wal Mart Store No X. And I know for a fact that we returned no containers whatsoever, gas, kerosene, or Igloo that day. And I know this because that was the day my house caught fire and I went to work anyway because that’s how I roll. I and I was an Eagle Scout and I won the Purple Heart and the Congressional Medal of Honor.” If that happens, I will totally agree with you, and say, ‘Gee, Samantha, you sure had that gas can thing pegged.’ But I doubt it. Because JM wouldn’t just this week be seeking a motion to compel from WalMart. My opinion-worth what you are paying for it. Except the impeachment part. That’s a fact.

        • I don’t think so I see your point ,but she has been on the stand 17 Days give her a break, she returned it I can tell by the way she answered quickly I received cash. She was surprised. He needs to prove it and he can’t. She is so pale and thin didn’t have Lunch at times and this horrible thing happened to her and yes she needs help prayers what ever. Casey Anthony’s Lawyer thought she was good its just that they do not have much to work with other then the sex tape. Martinez spent days talking about KY that was so ridiculous.

          • I agree Oliviero that is JM”s whole thing catch her in a Lie an then impeach her. But for some reason I just do not think she is lying at all. I know a lot of people do think that but I just don’t feel it she answers to easily an smoothly for answering over 5000 questions somebody had said who would not be tired by now.

          • And if the court run over, she doesn’t get back in time for dinner. So how many days has she gone with only a small box of rice krispies

            • TB
              So Sad what bugs me is all the people wanting her Dead this shows how The Mob scene is awful. Being in court is stressful, but add capital Murder etc. She is doing well this is who she is. lt’s ultimately in Gods Hands and Hopefully The Jury will have compassioni different in the court room

    • Personally just because JM called and said walmart claimed no gas can was returned, but did he ask if a kerosene can was returned. Two different things. They would say no to any gas can being returned, because it was a kerosene that JA bought and returned. So if Nurmi would find a record of a kerosene can being returned who exactly is blown out of the water?

      • How does JM look if the jurors figure out that either he didn’t know how to read a reciept or he is trying to pull a fast one to prove premed.

      • Would walmart keep a record for that long (I read they only keep records for over $10). With all the returns who can remember if a gas can was returned.

        • I don’t think you can call up Walmart and say, “can you tell me if a gas can was returned 5 years ago” lol

        • Hi annieEP,

          I actually talked to a regional manager who was covering for a manager on leave at my local Walmart. Their inventory system is very detailed and he said they could go back ten years and probably longer to the day if a subpoena were issued.

            • bc it wasnt brought up untiil jodi herself said where she returned it? i think that is what samantha was trying to say but got pounced on. he couldnt bring it up earlier bc he didnt know.. shes the one that said she bought and returned the 3rd gas can from walmart out of the blue.. it was never asked of her, she just said it… so jm asks several times to make sure that everyone is hearing thats what she has said… i see where samantha is going.. and yes, if walmart is subpoenad, they have to disclose all of their records…

              samantha is right, some of u are missing the point.. the gas cans are not about premeditation.. the jury would basically have to pretend like they never heard the tape, nothing about the rape, anything that has been presented while she has been on the stand would have to be thrown out.. and while we think it was sd, a jury isnt going to let her go bc “thats their defense”..

              but that leaves me with a question, what if walmart made a mistake??? companies do it all the time.. hell, even the police department does it! the only way i could see jm winning this gas can battle and having her testimony impeached is if the walmart surveillance shows her in the store buying it but never returning, along with no record of the return.

              • I don’t think she would even lie about something so dumb really. An the jury asked the question also so she got to go over that question again with Nurmi before she even came out on the stand. Why because JM had them so confused on how he goes round an round trying to make her look like a liar an I think they know that so they re-asked almost all of his questions.

                • And again, the jury MAY discard testimony. It’s seriously doubtful over a gas can that she may not even be remembering right. And I agree Rhonda, there is no reason on earth to lie about a gas can and insist that she brought it back, when the truth of having it doesn’t even hurt her case to begin with, and I think the jury will come to the same conclusion, no matter how many Walmart employees take the stand, common sense will still be there, whether the gas can, is or isn’t.

            • Because she hadn’t yet asserted it did not exist. She would have see he had the records and probably would have reconsidered her answers.
              He didn’t want her to see he could prove it may
              His goal is to impeach her

              I am sure the defense is shitting their pants. I KNOW I would be.

          • Thanks Amelia, I have someone I am asking who works at Walmart. They are asleep at this hour.

        • Yeah, that “every penny for a decade” spiel is ridiculous. Humans are fallible and make errors. Yes, it even happens at Walmart!

    • I know if I return something with a receipt they don’t ask to see a drivers license. I cannot remember if I am asked to sign anything.

  115. LOL JVM is now trying to say we’re spreading a conspiracy theory.

    First, the links posted were part of the public record. ANYONE can find those records, if they want to.

    Second, the public record is usually right, so it’s not unusual or strange that people would draw the conclusion that this record is Travis’.

    Third, people are going to draw their own conclusions about the facts, no matter how many appeals to emotions Travis’ friends and family, or the HLN media tries to pull.

    The pro-Travis crowd – that includes you HLN – need to get a reign on their control issues.

    • First of all, it was the pro-prosecution websites that even brought this arrest to light in the first place.

      At least they should get discredit that is due them.

    • LOL Can’t you just hear the ching, ching, ching of money going into their bank accounts! Boy, I wish I had thought of a career in “Non Journalism” like they did. I’d be rich. Then again, it is so totally against my moral make-up, I wouldn’t have been very good at their chosen “profession”, and I use that term very loosely.

      • lol very funny 🙂 So true, there is no sense of human decency with these people. They’d rather cash in on people’s shortsightedness and ignorance than run an honest story or make an honest buck.

  117. on another note, i live fairly close to riverside, and it is a well known fact that the riverside police department are known for major slip ups.. they dont have the best track record, thats for sure, to put it mildly..

  118. Guys guys , calm down . If Kermit had any proof he would’ve presented it already . He’s just full of hot air , that’s all. He has no proof of no gas can being returned . That guy gets so excited if he found something he would’ve be calling the judge to start court early so he can present what he has.

    • But the thing is, he is looking for a gas can to be returned and it wasn’t. JA bought and returned a kerosene can. Two different things. It would be like me buying oranges, them him asking me if I bought apples. So Walmart would say you bought oranges, and JM saying see she lied she didn’t buy apples.

      • Sean
        Why do you think he is making Walmart and a gas station give him records?
        It is because he doesn’t know the difference between kerosene and gas and wants to learn on the state’s dime?
        How do you know how Walmart coded their stuff?

        Unfortunately I am sure we are going to find out.

        JM has one of the most impressive conviction stats out there. That doesn’t happen by chasing things that have no relevance.
        He is also one who you do NOT call bluff on

        I guess I don’t get it. It is mode of operation around here to deny what is happening in court and just say rah, rah, rah, or what?

        • samantha, there are some of us that are open minded about everything u are saying, believe me.. but u have to remember that this is a ja support site, so needless to say, not everyone wants to hear anything that could potentially hurt jodi.. but i just want u to know, that while not everyone is speaking up bc theyre afraid of getting thrashed, some of us do understand the enormity of this and know that jm is a seasoned attorney and obviously isnt setting out to compare kerosene to gas cans. i hope what youre saying doesnt turn out to be the truth.. hopefully, walmart WILL have record of this return… we’ll see..

          • Yes, caligirl. Regarding how juries are instructed, both Anna Ryan and Samantha have been very informative. I am learning a lot from these discussions.

            And if trouble may be on the horizon for Jodi, I don’t believe that merely saying so makes someone a “troll.”

            • I agree with you on that point, Pique. It’s just that some of the things that Samantha has related are simply wrong.

            • To be frank, I’m really not here for the sole purpose of supporting Jodi. I think that Jodi is guilty of second degree murder. I think that Jodi thinks that she is guilty of second degree murder. If I had to bet on it, I’d say that Nurmi and Wilmott think that she is guilty of second degree murder. I’m here primarily because this is the only place so far that I have found where I can express myself freely without fear that someone will call the Pinkerton Agency to figure out who I am and threaten to kidnap and murder my children. I’ve been pretty open about my position on her guilt, and I’ve suffered no ill words. I do find it irritating, though, that on a site established for the express purpose of supporting Jodi, the posters have been inundated with whining about how unfair they have been to Travis, what a crappy job the defense is doing, how stupid they were to be interested in and proliferate existing readily accessible court rulings, and now it seems that it is necessary to correct falsehoods. I’m never one to dictate to another what to think. But my tolerance for loud stupidity and uncivil behavior has its limits.

              • I also agree that she’s guilty of second degree murder. She’s not going to walk regardless, but a premeditation conviction would be wrong.

        • I’m looking at the motions in the case documents. How can you tell if is the State or defense that is seeking these records?

          • you can and it looks to me to be all state- 001 is the code for the state, 002 for the defense. and 003 for the mitigation specialist.

            • I don’t see any of these codes in the documents I’m looking at. Can you provide me a link to where you see this? Thanks.

              • Ya, I was just going to ask where is this info coming from that the State has requested Walmart records. I’d really like to know if this is true.

              • my daughter pulled it up, and she isn’t here right now to ask. It was something from a court site, and it showed all the motions. sorry

        • Samantha,

          Caligirl is correct, some of us on here understand what you are saying and see the things you are talking about. The jury questions were also a very big wake up call. I think maybe some of us, while we support Jodi, we are just not as invested as some of the other Jodi Supporters. I admire their ability to stay positive no matter the odds and agree that sometimes what people post is most likely just not welcome information.

          • i am with u, amelia! i admire their continuous optimism, as well! i think being on a jury is what makes me so trepidatious.. i wish i had a pair of rose colored glasses to put on, but i just dont think these “minor” things are so minor.. at least, not in the minds of the 12 ppl who are dictating the outcome of this trial. i only became more worried once i heard the juror’s questions..

        • He has an impressive conviction rate because he’s assigned cases where the majority of defendants are clearly guilty. Doug Falater, Wendi Adriano, etc. Martinez prosecutes the “worst of the worst,” and these are cases that any reasonably intelligent prosecutor could win.

          Plus, he’s had some losses. Doug Grant for one.

      • unless he gave them the inventory UPC off the receipt?

        Now I am going to worry all nite 🙁

    • Sean Boy,

      But it doesn’t work like that! Martinez cannot introduce new evidence until its his turn at Rebuttal. He did not introduce the gas can evidence during his case in chief because Jodi and defense needed to open the door about returning the third gas can.

      • He doesn’t have any gas can evidence, orr he wouldn’t now be asking for a motion to compel.

      • But then why is he allowed to introduce anything else during his CIC? I’m not following what makes the gas can so special that it had to be revealed by the defense. Martinez introduced hair color, other receipts, and other items that go to premeditation during the CIC.

    • The fact is the gas cans prove nothing. They don’t prove premeditation and motive, so even if Jodi “lied” about this, it doesn’t prove that he has proven his case beyond reasonable doubt. He is way far from that standard.

  120. M
    I am sure b/c the prosecution did not waste what is precious time doing Motions To Compel for the 2 places that place the can in Jodi’s hand.
    You think that is b/c they like to waste time and chase things that are of no importance?
    They are going for gold here

    Now if you don”t want serious legal talk and the ramifications, ad instead wanna wear rose colored glasses based on nothing that is happening in the courtroom, than I am in the wrong place
    This is happening.
    Calling 3rd gas can talk bullshit when it stands in a position to impeach who is basically the entire defense’s case might be “brain mush” to you, but it certainly isn’t “jack shit” for a defense team trying to spare someone from a capital conviction.
    I’m sorry of you don’t like those facts, but it doesn’t change them

    • And Jodi’s defense wasted their time and our time with their examination, all whilist over looking a stupid lie, a 3rd gas can, that mind you proves nothing more than 2 gas cans does?

      I know little of the instructions the jury would be given if Jodi (and her defense) lied about this irrelevent evidence and Martinez caught her, so in that aspect I would guess you are correct. That would not be good.

      But, going back to my first point. As you think the prosecutor isnt wasting our time (“going for the gold”), then why come at me for calling you a mush brain and accusing me of being unrealistic for believing that Jodi and her defense wouldn’t have said THREE GAS CANS from the get go?

      Its hypocrisy in its truest form!

      • M., don’t waste your time. Samantha thinks she knows what she is talking about and doesn’t. She probably goes around her office telling people that she’s already won the March Madness pool before the Sweet Sixteen is even set.

        • LOL too funny!
          Ok, I can’t get an answer, can someone tell me where is this information coming from, that the State has a motion to compel, in for Walmart records? I mean, I get the points of impeachment, but I can’t take it seriously without knowing if this information is true and accurate. Also, I’m not so sure that just because the little man is off to see the wizard of receipts, that it means he is right. It just means he is checking. He had nothing, and this little opening gave him the rope, and he took it. Doesn’t mean he is right about it. I still say that impeachment means the jury MAY consider her testimony to be garbage, but they do NOT have to. Am I wrong?

    • Samantha
      I have to agree with you, I have been on a jury for murder and one of the instructions were we were not to take in the testimony of the witness because they lied. Yes that does happen. Also the experts will be a mute point, because the state will have one and the defense will have one and they will cancel each other out. So what will be a major factor will be the ME testimony.

    • there have been several ppl ive noticed that started as supporters and have completely switched since she started testifying. idk if that was the right move.. i can think of 3 off the top of my head, sd, ben, and samantha.. samantha WAS a big supporter of jodis for a while.. i dont think its fair that anytime a valid question is raised that they are automatically called trolls.. i have discussed this case NOWHERE else but heresince i found it.. i tried on a travis site but got kicked out, but i stayed here bc i thought it was the best place i found that had open minded ppl who didnt attack for bringing up potential problems and talking them out respectfully.. i dont think this should be a “hang out” place for those that are bored and just want to chat.. theres fb for that.. cant we discuss the trial and all aspects without being rude or disrespectful towards each other? if not, then we are no better than the travisters..

      • Oh you can’t even compare this site to any PRO TRAVIS site an know the majority here do not bash Travis as much as they SCREAM horrid horrid things about JODI. An about this SITE TOO an the people that are in here. SO the few that I do see say somethings it don’t bother me at the least. I have just as much right to say what I feel as the PRO TRAVIS people do. I can do it in a better way tho. An there are many double agents on this site lately. I just scan over those an do not say a whole lot. ADMIN gets rid of really bad posts anyways so they disappear. Everyone has a opinion an I do not have to agree with what one says otherwise I would be on a PRO TRAVIS site. I am not wasting my time on them either with comments it is useless. You can tell a HLN follower also they repeat exactly word for word what most of those shows hosts say.

        • well neither of them have appeared since declaring that they no longer supported jodi 🙁

      • “i dont think this should be a “hang out” place for those that are bored and just want to chat.. theres fb for that.. ”

        Not really. This is the ONLY site for Jodi supporters to come together and find common ground.

  122. The fingerprints are in! It’s not Travis:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/12/fingerprint-records-travis-alexander_n_2863688.html

    “Arias supporters had also obtained copies of the court documents and were posting the information online, in an apparent attempt to show that Alexander was prone to violent outbursts, as Arias alleged in court earlier this month.”

    No, actually the State vs Jodi Arias page posted the information, and we followed up on it. All people did was post the links – I have always contended that people could make up their own damn minds about it.

    Nice way for the media to mischaracterize what happened here, when the clerical error was not our mistake in the first place.

    • Right!!The Photo of Travis Brother is strange what do you think?? Doesn’t look beat up Drunck except the obvious black eye!
      This whole story is weird.

    • As I said in an earlier post, this was highly likely. But my original question remains the same. Why didn’t Travis, upon learning what his brother told him, attempt to clear his good name?

      • Maybe he thought it really was taken care of by PPL…or maybe he didn’t want his brother to go to prison…who really knows at this point….only he and his brother do.

  123. How do you know that the defense hasn’t already looked into this and if you would look at other posts here you would see the things we discuss. Because obviously you haven’t looked at the receipt that JM entered into evidence. We have and have had a very compelling discussion. Time to move on. Like I said I’ve have never seen someone’s entire testimony stricken from the record.

    • TB, the way I understand it, it doesn’t get stricken from the record. It is part of the jury instructions that say, in general, if you find a witness testified untruthfully about something, you may choose not to believe anything that witness said. (each state will state this differently, but similarly)

      • Exactly you may choose, it is left to the jury to decide, and as much as the other side wants to say Wow all those questions must mean they think she guilty, might be surprised to find out that maybe the jury asked all those questions because the questions weren’t asked very well by shorty.

  124. Samantha-
    I absolutely agree with you. This gas can thing is huge. If these records show NO return, and NO other purchase but gas, this will prove that Jodi lied. But, the difference between now and her pas indescretions, this is under oath. This is lying to the jury. This will not only make her intire testimony null and void to the jury, but I would imagine piss them off also. JM is not using this to prove premed….we know it doesn’t prove that, and he must have known for not bringing it up sooner, but if it catches her in a lie, it completely erases the abuse, anything she ever said about him. They will be INSTRUCTED to disregard anythig she has said. And even if human nature cannot allow them to disregard it, their intincts will tell them “if she lied about something like a 3rd gas can, why wouldn’t she lie about bigger things?”
    Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice……

    • Like I said read the receipt and if you don’t know how, google it. And we have already discussed this. I suggest newbies who pop in here, read other posts, before jumping to conclusions that we’re not paying attention to what’s going on in court. Because you really are commenting on something you know nothing about. People who jump into the middle of something often are the ones who have no clue.

      • TB, this board is kind of unwieldy to navigate and it’s VERY easy to miss discussions. I know it’s frustrating to those who spend more time discussing the case, but these people aren’t coming from a malicious place; they’re legitimately interested/concerned. 🙂

        • thanks, josephhenry. its really hard to keep up with all the posts, so i just respond as i see them.. i can only speak for myself, in that i am coming from a place with the best intentions for jodi.. i am only discussing or responding to things that might be concerning, and i would think as supporters, this would be a safe place to do that. its not like any of us, or me at least, is on the other sites saying these things.. im expressing concern here bc im on her side. but that doesnt mean i dont have questions sometimes.. im in a huge fight with a good friend right now bc im supporting jodi!

        • yes I agree, but they don’t have to get insulting because we’ve already beat this horse to death and don’t want to discuss it anymore

          • Yeah, it’s the condescending nature of the “don’t you people UNDERSTAND what this means?” tone that is off-putting. It’s one thing to say, “Hey, I’m worried about Jodi, this could be a big problem” and another to say “Take off your rose-colored glasses, she’s a big fat liar and a horrible witness!” That type of dramatic post is more suited to the Travistown boards.

            • AHHH THANK YOU! Exactly!!! It’s not the point of view that’s annoying at all, it’s those comments that the rest of us must all be stupid now because we don’t agree with it.
              I have no problem with any of the opinions I’ve seen here. I just don’t get those “come on people, don’t you see it?” B.S. Totally useless statements in an otherwise very well written point!

        • No, I don’t have those kind of connections, but I’m glad someone did and I hope he notices. I think this could be an innocent mistake by JA, example goes into Walmart for a gas can, already has 2 red can by Darryl, thinks well I just get a blue one to keep it separate from the red. This is something I would do not wanting to mix up and give Darryl the wrong cans back. Then she decided against it and took it back. Never realizing if there are attendants at the gas station, they would not let her put gas in the blue can. I didn’t know this about the different color cans until this case.

          • I ready on this site (one of the posters) said they called and the woman who answered thanked them for the information. Maybe we should try calling again to be sure – this is so serious. What if JM sees a record for the kerosene can, but not the gas, and decides to use the records as proof? (Saying, well you said gas can, not kerosene). He never asked her the color, if she says red, then that is trouble. But the receipt does say she purchased a kerosene can, so, I just don’t know. We ought to make sure her lawyers know it is a kerosene can they need to look for on the record. Their number is on their website, I believe you can just call.

    • Them not having a record may not prove anything if they gave her cash for it and there was no proper record of it being returned. The only way JM can definitively prove that Jodi did not return the gas can is if he has a picture of her with 3. I don’t think she’d be dumb enough to say 2 and assert 2 if there really were 3, she could have said, there may have been 3, I don’t remember (like she said about other things). Why on earth would she lie about a gas can?

      Also, the receipt did say kerosene can, not gas can. I believe one of the members of this group called Nurmi’s law office and let them know of this detail so Nurmi could look into it himself.

      • Yes that gas can thing is goofy when it is not a gas can but clearly says KERO on it. I am sure Nurmi seen that I would think I seen it. An she did say I would be surprised since I returned one. So I don’t know why a person would tell a lie about that either makes no sense.

        One person did state on here somewhere maybe there was more than one car as in someone followed her down there? ok if someone is that smart to plan that they would plan a actual brutal murder a lot better than that.

        Self Defense is what I think an that someone tampered with Travis’s body an other things in his
        room they had 5 days to do it. An it seems very strange to me that Ashley shot herself in 2010 an Jodi decides then to get a lawyer instead of not doing anything.

        • what are the chances that Travis and Ashley were sleeping together and she may have been pregnant?

          • That would be bad. What if it was a murder not a suicide? happens all the time no one checks into it deep enough. What if ya WHAT IF’s haha………..she was going to testify for Jodi on something about her Husband having something to do with Travis after Jodi left that house? She said he was acting strange after they found Travis but then retracted an said it was just stress from losing their house an being separated.

            I just do not feel right about Jodi not remember all that stabbing an slashing an I still am not sure she did it ? if she is not sure how can I be sure ? weird things happen all the time. An with this strange group of friends I just don’t know really.

    • If JM is able to impeach her the jury can never unhear the entire testimony they’ve heard so that’s just a crazy statement to make. Human nature will not allow them to disregard everything that has brought them to whatever current conclusion they have drawn thus far. Sorry, but its true and its silly to think they wont use what they’ve heard even if they are asked not to. It’s been weeks . They have feelings on this case and they are invested in those feelings. Most legal anaylsts say jurors have their minds pretty much made up before closing arguments begin.

      I honestly think the death penalty is off the table for most jurors. Set aside the fact that she has been testifying and looking at them in the face for weeks regardless of if they believe her or not, it is already hard to get a dp conviction for a young, white woman especially in AZ. I think 3 have been sent to death row in something crazy like 30 years in the state. One killed her children if I’m not mistaken. Most importantly I honestly don’t think JM has come close to proving 1st degree.

      I don’t think Jody is shooting for an acquittal nor is her defense team. I think there is enough doubt when it comes to premeditation. I went into this case thinking she was 100% guilty and thought she would get LWOP. After the first week if the defenses cases thus far I’m not so sure but I def don’t think it wasnt planned. For a couple of days I thought she might be acquitted and should be. Most days I think she’ll get murder 2. Hearing her demeanor on the phone about Cancun blew that theory out of the water. She sounded like she could care less and has sounded the same way every time it has been posed to her on the stand. His double life, the things I heard and read that he said, his words, gave me the impression he was just as old a liar as she was.

      • That is what Stacey Anthony’s said, I could be wrong but I think nothing of the Gas Cas from the questions the Jurors are asking it seems that they are concerned about memory they asked more memory questions.

    • JB and Samantha,

      No record of a return does not prove she lied. You’re making a huge sweeping statement. I’ll say it again … Wal Mart’s return policy could have been different at the time. It’s possible they gave back cash without a receipt if the cash back was a small amount. Maybe $10 and under. That wouldn’t be an uncommon return policy. I believe what she testified to. I don’t see a reason to lie about it. Haven’t you ever gone to return something and you want the cash back. The cashier gives you the company song and dance about their policy … no return without a receipt. then you go into something along the lines “but I never used it blah blah blah, can’t I just have the cash back. The cashier calls someone over to get the return approval. Not all stores live and breath by their return policy. I know … I worked in retail years ago.

      • Me too, Natalie, and I can easily see how your scenario would happen. I’ve lived it.

        • Yes, and I can see Jodi wanting her cash back. That goes right with wanting to save money on gas, clipping coupons, driving a distance fron Yreka for the car rental to save money. It’s obvious she was struggling to make ends meet. That’s why she remembers very well getting the cash back. IMO that’s why she said that so confidently on the stand. JM is trying to do the usual Jedi mind tricks with the jury … to plant something in their minds that isn’t there.

    • She doesn’t even have to prove the abuse. My goodness, people, understand criminal law.

      The fact JM is going after something as trivial as gas cans shows how desperate he is to get a DP conviction, which he knows he isn’t going to get. All he can try to show is Jodi “lied.” Well, she could lie about everything in this case, and it wouldn’t prove premeditation and motive, and certainly isn’t worthy of death, or there would be nobody left in this country.

      I am so sick of some of the b.s. here tonight, I can scream.

  125. To all

    Court is very different from a message board, things must be based on foundation of evidence. So my intent is not to give you all a hard time, I am just telling ya what JM is most certainly going for here and how hard this must be and IMO will be for the defense. if you don’t wanna hear it, I’ll be silent.

    IMO JM’s strategy on this stems from Jodi stating in the TV interviews and the interview with Flores that when she talked about the intruders, she developed the story to fit the forensics. IOW she saw what they had and built a story to fit around it. So with this 3rd gas can, JM let her build around what they had. Then he went for the Motion to Compel for Walmart and Tesoro, after she thought he had nothing and he believing she was building around what he had at that point.
    So basically what it comes down to is he is calling what he believes is her bluff. – he is building a foundation of evidence to catch her lying on the stand. Much bigger than a gas can, kerosene can, or whatever else you care to minimize it to.

    If he can impeach her…

    • P.S. I never asserted I thought she was fibbing about the gas can. I only explained it’s importance and why on these very important days off, JM is using some of the time filing Motions to Compel for Walmart and Tesoro. If you look, you will see the words if, and those sort
      Any claim to the contrary is not genuine.

      • Samantha, I’m going to go over this once again, as I have posted before, why I believe there wasn’t a 3rd gas can. When Jodi filled her car in SLC she kept the receipt. Then she filled the two gas cans and also kept that receipt. There was no receipt for the $19.65 purchase. Jodi wanted to keep all the gas purchase receipts so she could use them as deductions for tax purposes. So why wouldn’t she keep the receipt if there was a 3rd can? HERE’S MY POINT: At that point in time Jodi wouldn’t have known there would be this big discussion about a 3rd gas can five years later. So there would have been no reason to hide or throw away any gas receipt. I mean, think about it. Why would she be thinking about destroying a 3rd gas can receipt when there would be no reason to believe there was anything to be deceptive about? Do you think she would be thinking that she would be on the stand five years later testifying that she had returned that gas can? Or do you think that at that time she would be thinking that there would be any significance to the fact that there would be a difference if she was filling 2 gas cans or 3 gas cans? Of course not. She would have kept the receipt just like she did for the other 2 gas purchases if there was a 3rd gas purchase.

        • I agree with your theory 100%. If someone is planning a murder, as Martinez speculates, they don’t ever expect they will get caught. If Jodi really was planning to “get away with murder” she would have either kept NO receipts and left NO trail at all, or she would have kept ALL the receipts as you stated, never thinking they would come back to bite her in the ass half a decade later. If Jodi were that much of a mastermind that she could calculate mileage, costs etc ahead of time and know she’d have to hide this third gas can for whatever reason, she would be smart enough to know the purchase would show up on her bank statement.

          Occam’s razor… ‘the simplest answer is most often correct’. Martinez is trying too hard to make it look like some big elaborate scheme, and he’s failed miserably.

      • If you think that Juan Martinez is an efficient manager of time, you really don’t belong in the legal profession. He is one of the least restrained and most self indulgent lawyers I have ever seen litigate. I believe that recordings of his performance will be used in trial practice classes for years to come as an example of what NOT to do.

        • He’s all over the place – confuses me and I’m sure confuses some of the jurors. I honestly don’t see this “brilliance” that he supposedly has. As much as I don’t care for Jeff Ashton, he was good at weaving an argument together.

      • The death penalty thing is really the bottom line. If the defense attorneys get her off on the DP, it is a victory for them.

        She won’t be acquitted, but she won’t get death. The prosecution hasn’t proven this is murder one.

        • She did say though that she’d rather die than spend life in prison. I have to say that would be my choice also. The freedom of death is much more appealing than living like a rat in a cage for the next 60 years.

          • With the way our system works, you’re living in a cage for at least 15-20 years before the death penalty is handed down anyway.

        • i totally agree with that, tonysam.. the jury isnt obviously going to let her just walk out of jail, but hey, as long as she doesnt get the dp, id consider that a win! 🙂 however, she could be convicted of 1st degree without the dp..

          • let me clarfiy by saying i dont believe they have proven 1st degree!!!! im just saying, that is a possibility.. unlikely, but possible..

          • I hope she gets a murder 2 sentence because it will be hilarious to watch the boards and the HLN commentators explode.

    • Operative word IF, what if those records he is looking at say something he isn’t expecting? Why didn’t he have the records before asking the questions?

      • It’s possible he spoke to someone informally and gathered information. If Samantha is correct in predicting JM’s strategy, then he would NOT want to give the defence a heads up– it would have allowed Jodie to, hypothetically, alter her story.

        • Yes my point exactly, he gathered information informally based on the fact he was looking for a gas can to be returned. However that is the wrong thing to be asking for, because Walmart would have no record of a gas can being returned, but the records could show a kerosene can was returned and then what?

          • Do you really believe he just called Walmart up and asked if a gas can had been returned. He had the original receipt with walmarts item number. If the gas/kerosene can was returned it would be scanned back into the system.

            • I don’t know what he did, but if that were true, why wait to supoena until now? We will find out. Right now all we can do is speculate and I think everyone is aware we do a lot of speculating here.

            • There’s nothing in concrete there either. Walmart is a massive chain, they have a HUGE allowance for misplaced, stolen and other non-accounted for items. One gas can may or may not have been re-entered back in to the system on that day. The question could be raised ‘who was working that day?’. Was it some part-time 18 year old just getting to work from a bad day at school? Was it a trainee? Was it someone whose hours were just cut by management? Was it someone who just didn’t give a shit because hey, its Walmart. There are so many reasons why a returned item might not show up in the records, its really not that black and white.

              And then of course there is the Walmart return policy. Bring a receipt…. IF you have one… lol

              Here’s how to return your item to a store:
              Bring the item you wish to return to the Customer Service desk.
              Be sure to also bring all original packing materials and accessories.
              If available, bring the receipt that came with the item.

              No receipt? No problem
              We do accept returns without a receipt. You will have the option of a cash refund (if the purchase was under $25), a shopping card for the amount of the purchase (if it was over $25) or an even exchange for the product. Also, as applicable, we follow any manufacturer’s warranties.

              Return policy:
              http://help.walmart.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/205/session/L2F2LzEvdGltZS8xMzYzMTQ4NjkxL3NpZC9jRlBCKiprbA%3D%3D

    • I have thought that as well, ever since he kept repeating his question about the return of the 3rd can (with glee) and she answered yes each time, almost more vehemently each time. Then added she got cash back. I thought it was a bit odd, but when he did the “Would it surprise you”……question I thought, uh-oh….and it ended trial for the long weekend. I knew it wasn’t good and that he was on to get records of gas and or returns. True enough, doesn’t prove pre-med or a damn thing, but his entire goal thru-out this trial, has been to try to impeach her. If he does that, the jury gets that dreaded instruction and she is done. I’m really nervous about what he does tomorrow.

      • How is she “done”? She gets death because of a statement when the prosecution hasn’t done shit to prove she premeditated the murder?

        We aren’t proving GUILT here, but the degree of it.

        I am reading a lot of bullshit here tonight, and it isn’t pretty.

        • Tony,
          By “done”, I mean, basically, the jury is allowed to disregard her testimony. That certainly can’t help her and her charge of Murder 1. Imagine of the jury, or most, are leaning to M2, then she gets impeached…what do you think the jury would do?

          • Exactly…its not about her buying it…..its about her lying to the jury about it. Something so small that couldn’t show premed anyway could make her entire testimony null and void. Not just because the judge instructs them of that, but the jury is gonna wonder why she lied about it. They aren’t just going to ignore it.

            • Martinez can have as many tricks up his sleeve as he wants, all Nurmi has to do is get a statement from Walmart corp stating that it is possible for an item number to be entered incorrectly, or a refund to be given without inserting the proper information in to the system. This 3rd gas can nonsense really isn’t the smoking gun he thinks it is. If it was a specialty store and the item was a stainless steel engraved gas can then yes, he’d have a good chance of reinforcing his claim. But its Walmart, they deal with millions of products from all over the world every day, putting all his hopes on one generic plastic gas can is …. well, its pathetic, really.

              • Hey…. if Riverside Sheriff’s office and Superior court can make such a HUGE blunder in their records and allow a crackhead imposter to weazel his way through the system, its certainly possible Walmart can misplace a gas can return entry… lol

            • I just don’t think that she would purposely lie about a gas can. Why fall on that sword? She answers so confidently that she at least believes that she’s telling the truth.

          • They’re more likely to think she’s just not remembering right than they are to believe she would lie about a stupid gas can. If they MAY throw out her testimony, then they MAY. But they won’t. They’re people.

    • The fact that he is just now requesting the Walmart records and posed the question to her about the records of return without already viewing them tells me this whole gas can situation could blow up in his face! He is now counting on the fact that she must be lying but he does not know fore sure. This mystery gas can was news to him. It wasnt part of his case in Cheif. Jodi brought this up. He,along with the media, has been hanging the pre med case on frick’n Cancun. The prosecution had one theory and one theory only motive wise and it fell apart quickly. The timing of the killing and how she could have accomplished all that they said she did in the minutes they suggest it took is very hard to believe as well. She had a gun, why use a knife, if she planned it why wait all night and day just to battle the boy when she could have shot him in his sleep and left. The crime seen looks like a fight went down just as she claims it had. We have roomates living in the same house for days noticing nothing, people who still leave for the trip despite his absence , fingers all pointing to jodi from minute one…. So many things to weigh and so much doesn’t fall in line with 1st degree.

      • Look, I am extremely sorry for upseting anyone, but this is something that I feel may be impotant. All I am trying to say if, and that’s a huge if, JM did have something tangible that proves she bought a third can, its not about her purchasing it. She purchased it for the same reason as she had 2 anyway—to save money on gas. What the underlying issue is WHY she lied about it. And again, this is assuming he can prove it. I can see that, in the jury’s eyes, its not that she had it, but why she may have decided to lie about it. It becomes a big issue if she did that. Because , the only justification to lie for it, would be to hide something…but what? The only reason I’m sure the jury will turn to, is forethought.
        But of course, JM may not have anything! We will have to wait it out. Its just an issue I think is worth a discussion. Again, I’m sorry for offending everyone. Icome here to discuss the case, and sometimes that may be about something that may be against jodi. Does not mean I feel first deg murder/ dp is justice.

        • I don’t think anything you’ve said has been upsetting. I use this site to discuss the case without all the bashing and nonsense I’ve seen on other sites. I want justice to be served. Just trying to figure out what it is.

          • Definitely, me too. Its about justice, not twisting facts and ignoring truths. IF he somehow proves it, it could be devestating. It obviously black and white. The grey is where the truth is. If bringing up these thoughts piss ppl off, it could be what the jury thinks. We have no clue.

        • JB, I said the same thing on previous posts, how does 3 cans prove premed more than 2, it doesn’t. I’ve known all along its to prove she lied, he is trying very hard to prove she lied. But I believe her about the cans. Why, I don’t have proof, I just do. The jury may believe her or not, and disregard what anything she says whether or not she’s impeached. Just because she isn’t impeached doesn’t mean they buy her story. We don’t know what JM has so we speculate, it doesn’t mean we don’t realize the implications

    • I bet he DOESNT have anything!!! He’s just bluffing to catch her lying. JODI, keep your words and dont Change your story.

    • It doesn’t mean squat, Samantha. I have watched every minute of this trial, and the prosecution has fallen far short of proving this is worthy of the death penalty.

    • Court Is also very very different from TV programs that have focused on this trivial matter.In my belief to a Jury, My Grandfather was a criminal Attorney and much has to do with the Closing Argument and in a Death Penalty Case the Jury is going to decide they will not impeach her testimony based on something that cannot be proved. For instance she returns something without a receipt The person puts the item back and gives her cash does not record it. etc. That happens no way of knowing. Walmart Employees are in and out so this is 5 years ago.

  126. Is it possible that we might have made a very small dent in HLN’s witch hunt with our efforts? Or am I deluding myself?:)

    THIS MESSAGE FROM JOEY JACKSON:

    “Just want to say how much I appreciate all of you tuning into this page and being involved in the process. Really appreciate you!!! The trial resumes tomorrow and HLN is launching a new show from 10pm to 11pm (HLN after Dark). They have asked me to wear my defense hat to ensure balance, fairness and public awareness of all perspectives. Me playing defense attorney in Jodi Arias? (Oh, that’s right– I am one)… Now that should be interesting 😉 Stay tuned!!! See you tomorrow. Good Nite!!!”

    • All I can say is we’ll see, he is still an employee of HLN and an attorney. 2 strikes before he even gets started. lo,l Maybe he’ll come here and review some of the discussions.

    • Whaddya know…and thats true, he is a defense attorney. Hmm..should be interesting. Plus, he’s kinda cute…..lol..;)

    • I saw Vinnie Politan on that horrible “Raising America” show today and he said somewhat sheepishly (for him anyway), “I’m entitled to express my opinion.”

  127. If I was jodi I would fire nurmi and Wilmott or Wilcott or whatever her name is tomorrow morning for not even knowin about this Travis arrest thing. Also it will give her a defense to if Kermit has proof of no gas can return , she can say nurmi told her to say she returned it. Oh also it will allow her new attorneys to not only bring in maybe other evedince on her behalf but also have more people testify on Jodi’s behalf. I really think nurmi and Wilmott r not good enough for a death penalty case . I mean come on how can u miss this arrest thing when ur clients life’s on the line.

    • Can she do that???? Can she fire them n get new attorney’s in the middle of the trial? ??? I like Nurmi n I like Mrs. Wilmott but iv thought the same too. Its so sad, if jodi had money, shed walk free, but it the truth n life shouldn’t be that way.

      • I think her lawyers are doing an excellent job. They are putting up a very hard fight for her life. They aren’t just letting things go. They may have been aware of the record and knew it was nothing, or maybe they checked AZ, found nothing. He was living in Mesa, not CA, but the records were for CA.

        Also, given that this is a very difficult case, and all they had to work with. If Jodi had told the self-dense story from the start, this may have been a bit easier for them. She made a poor decision out of fear. It happens, but it severely hurt her case.

        • Again, I agree with you 100%. I laugh at the ‘hater’ morons criticizing Nurmi for talking slow, dragging out his questions, but he’s doing exactly what he should be doing. He’s articulating every single question so Martinez cannot twist his words to use against him. Martinez talks like a record on 45, he spits out so much shit he can’t keep track of what he’s said half the time. Nurmi has come back and refuted so many of his points because he (Martinez) didn’t take the time to define exactly what it was he was asking. What Martinez has been doing to Jodi, Nurmi has been doing to Martinez. I think he’s a pretty smart guy.

          • Totally agree. I LOVE Nurmi. He knows exactly what he’s doing. For all we know, this whole gas can thing was planned to send him on another goose chase and come back looking stupid. Who knows. All I know is that Nurmi is acting in the exact opposite way of the scary little, hysterical man because his kind, gentle, patient ways only highlight the crazed lunatic that is the prosecutor.

      • No, she can’t do that. Sean, she can’t lie and say that her attorney told her to say something. As far as this Travis arrest info, it is very likely, if not probable, that they already knew about it. It is something really big for their clients case and they would have used it if they had it authenticated. Who knows, they were possibly looking into it right now like everyone else. Wilmott is a death penalty qualified attorney. As far as Nurmi, he has been with her couple years now, and he actually asked the court to leave and was declined. So, no she can’t just switch in the middle of trial. They are good attorneys and are doing all they can for her.

      • No, but if after a conviction, and this is a big if, she could show ineffective counsel and it would have to be something pretty ineffective, she could get a new trial. The only time I’ve seen that work was in the Cynthia Summer case, and her attorney went into court and said he didn’t do a good job.

    • Out the judge will allow it. Besides, it isn’t him. So what they didn’t know doesn’t help them anyway so it’s a wash.

  128. Hello! Sorry to ask, but has there been and court sessions yesterday or today? And if not, why??? Sorry again, been out of the loop-working!

  129. Am I missing something here? Isn’t there a receipt that Martinez has that refers to the frickin gas can or kerosene can? If I am understanding this back and forth correctly, Martinez, just because he said gas can during cross, which is what Jodi said too “gas can”, he has the receipt right?

    He will be having Walmart checking their inventory system against the ITEM NUMBER listed on that receipt. Does not matter whether he calls it a gas can but it is really a kerosene can.

    And the thing that I think people are forgetting is if the jury instruction says anything about disregarding her testimony they will know its because of a lie she told on the stand . My concern is, they are already questioning her version of events, so even if some have ‘feelings’ about her testimony, they may end up feeling tricked and that is not good at all!!!!

    • If JM is wrong and banking on her history of lies and went to far to soon with this gas can biz he will loose mucho ground with the jury.

    • Yes, he has the recept with the several purchases on it, and the gas/kerosense purchase. I know what you mean about the jury…and tomorrow they have even more questions for her.

  130. Look , I’m going to say this AGAIN . Gas cans don’t have the barcode on them. They put a sticker on the can with the barcode. When I buy stuff like that I tear that stupid sticker off right away. I hate those things. So if she returned it they couldn’t HAVE SCANNED IT BACK IN AND MAY HAVE JUST TYLED IN SOME OTHER MISC CODE TO REFUND HER MONEY.

  131. And that maybe why it was never circled on her receipt too . ….they r so damn lazy they never go get another gas can and use that barcode to return ur item….trust me I’ve returned many many things at Walmart that I had taken the bar ode off. They put some weird code that is for misc object and they refund my money . No circling anything in my receipt either.

    • Yup, I agree. JM is just trying to bluff. I think jodi is way to smart n knows it too. Shell stick to her story and JM will most likely not bring it up again, like he dud with the magazines. He’s doing it to hype up the jury n everyone else and he aint got shit!!!

  132. Just one more time for good measur GAS CANS DON’T HAVE BARCODES IMPLANTED ON THEM. THEY R ON A FREAKING STICKER. IF THE STICKER PEALS OFF OR U TEAR IT OFF THEY CAN’T RESCAN THAT ITEM. THEY USE A MISC CODE TO REFUND U THE AMOUNT .

    • How do they know how much to refund if you don’t show a receipt and they don’t get one off the shelf?

        • I really don’t know cause I don’t work at Walmart but I know what I’ve seen and wal mart is actually my favorite store so I shop there a lot

          • Sorry I didn’t explai it better. Thought I did in my first post. I should’ve said sometimes the receipt has been in my pocket and the numbers on the receipt r not legible anymore. That’s the times that they type misc cause they can’t see the numbers on the receipt . They see the amount but not those 12 or 15 digit numbers on it .

    • Another thing. I’m a big jodi supporter so save the comments if they r negative. I don’t care about hurting anyone’s feelings. If my life was on the line I WOULD FIRE NURMI AND WILMOTT TOMORROW MORNING FOR INEFFECTIVE CONSOL . first off nurmi dragged this on way too long and the jury doesn’t like him , secondly if they can’t find travis arrest record and a bunch of us regular joes and housewives find it than that’s not who I want defending my life. She has every right to express this to the judge tomorrow. I believe it will help her take off some of the momentum Fartinez has going right now too.

      • It’s not going to happen. She would have to wait to do it on appeal. Might help her more there anyway. No way a judge is going to allow a mistral at this point. No way!

        I’m not sure the jury dislikes him anymore than they dislike Juan. One bores you one gives you a headache. I think it will be easier for a juror to understand why a defense attorney would drag out a dp defense case but if the prosecution has a tight case there shouldn’t be the need for him to contribute so much to all the long testimony like he has been.

      • Sean boy,
        There is nothing wrong with her attorneys. They are doing a very good job. Some pretty well known attorneys agree. Legally, she is in the middle of trial and is not allowed to fire them. The judge would not allow her to do that and then appoint new counsel. If she insisted, and that isnt likely, she would have to represent herself and that would be insane. We have no way of knowing about this record situation, its very possible that Nurmi already knew about it and knew it wasn’t TA, he isnt so dumb as to not look up a criminal record on TA in a case like this. Thats pretty standard. As far as Nurmi having Jodi on the stand so long, or dragging this on, this is a DP case, and him keeping her up there so long is to her benefit. Cases like Murder 1 always take a long time, and then in AZ we have the whole juror questions that go on and on. Im not sure why you think the jury doesn’t like him…? No way to know that at all. Anyway, we are all supporting Jodi here, all commenting, asking questions, speculating, and all in our own different ways. Its what makes this group interesting and friendly.

      • We don’t know that the jury doesn’t like him. And it could be that Nurmi/Wilmott already investigated this and found out that it was Dennis all along. Give them the benefit of the doubt -for public defenders, they are doing a good job and are invested in defending Jodi.

    • Sean,
      As someone else said, we are all just speculating here. Nobody knows at all or for sure, what JM has planned with this whole 3rd gas can return or no return line of questioning. Obviously he is trying to impeach her. As far as a barcode on a gas can, this is true, they are usually stickers that peel right off, however, he has her receipt with the actual item numbers next to the purchase. This is what they enter in the system for inventory. JM could very well be bluffing and he could very well have something from WalMart and from the gas station…we just have to wait and see. I guess I’m a worrywart by nature…:)

  133. For whomever posted way back up there this morning that Jodi was such an ‘intelligent and talented young woman she should not get DP.” :
    Jodi could be as ugly as shit and a total moron, I still would defend her rights to defend herself against her attacker and to expose all the nuances of mental and physical abuse she suffered at the hands of others that brought this tragedy.

    • That’s an interesting point. I’m willing to bet (large amounts, any takers?) that this story has gained such a huge audience because of two things – her looks and her brains (how cliche). If she was some ragged lookin’ backwoods trailer park pig wrestler, people would not care. Well, some people would, but it would not garner the kind of attention Jodi has. This is basically the Jodi Arias version of “The Truman Show”.

    • Same same viri. Me too. Jodi could be a thousand pounds, balding, cross eyed with buck teeth and I’d still be here defending her. She is a sensitive, creative, and gentle soul, and it’s a shame that people have allowed their own insecurities and jealousies get in the way of seeing it.

  134. 5/19 flores interview zac again note on wed the 4th his day off he got up and returned the rental car he had been using because his had been in an accident he returned home at 1500 hrs for about and hour then went to girlfriend house 1500 hrs. It was either tues or wed that he noticed the furniture out of place floor cleaner and the banaster.
    going back to the first interview no date when statement was taken asked when was last time seeing travis on thursday morning said he was leaving the house at 1130 on his way to pick up girlfriend just say him in passing on the way out he didn’t remember seeing him when he returned there is more moving on to what did you do over the weekend spent the entire day with girlfriend on the 5th on sun his car battery was dead but did not say it was in accident or that he rented a car
    when asked about did you notice anything unusual on wed or thurs he noticed the furniture gee this is mind blowing trying to go back and forth because it is split up read this and tell me what you think my be im wrong about the rental car

    • i think what i posted above need attention could be the help need in this case why is his account of his doings so different. especially the car rental stuff he first said he just need jumper cables for it. but now it has been in a accident and he rented a car

      • Yes, there are inconsistencies in the roommates statements to the police, especially Zach.
        In the time of the killing also, since both stated they saw him after he was supposedly dead.
        Yet somehow once every one pointed the finger at Jodi, even in an odd sounding statement during the 911 call, all the efforts from the police seem to have been focused on Jodi.

  135. Oh wow, so this is the latest from HLN. The loser of the book “you cant lie to me” said she received an email saying what if on the sex tape TA was reading a script that Jodi asked him to read. She goes on claiming that she would blv it and that jodi would’ve told him that it’ll turn HER on if he read the script! !!! Lol I really can’t stand these people. They can make accusations but we cant have conversations about TA public records??? And to think that I almost bought this book, thank god I never did!!!

    • I saw that also, do people really believe that stuff? Listen to the tape, he says creme pie and she didn’t even know what that was, so how do you write a script about something you don’t know?

    • That is the most ridiculous shit ever. Jodi and Travis had just had a big fight earlier that day – no way would he be amenable to reading a script for her. They need to face it: dude liked his sex and had no problems articulating that on his own! Doesn’t make him a bad person just because he’s not a saint.

  136. Nicole said,

    “It was only through the pushing of people on this site that the truth came out. The Jodi haters just took Shanna at her word – never even questioned what she wrote. Thankfully, I was taught to question when something did not “smell” right.

    JVM and her crew are no better. They took information that was uncovered by others and did NO further investigation into the matter. Once again, only believing Shanna Hogan.”

    Nicole,
    Why isn’t HLN held to the same standards as CBS, NBC, and ABC????
    HLN is very disgusting. They KNOW it’s not the truth and LIE anyway.
    No one holds them to the truth. WHY???

    • Yes, there was once a time where there were standards with journalism, and tabloid-coverage was considered dishonest and unethical Now it passes as standard coverage, and the lowest common denominator of society thinks they are the gold standard. Poor bastards, I’d feel sorry for them being suckered into the propaganda machine if it weren’t for the fact that they are deadly serious about getting someone’s head on a platter. To think, we used to be a civilized society.

  137. TO THE PERSON WHO READS THE STATEMENTS HERE PLEASE READ MINE I THINK I AM ON TO SOMETHING

  138. I’m not saying if Fartinez has a record from wal mart or not . I would still fire nurmi seeing that I’m not looking good at this point plus all the negatives of nurmi. It would DEFENITLY change things around and this trial may go her way . I guess what I’m trying to day is this. At this point if they want to kill me I would do anything and everything to save my life. It’s not looking good for jodi , she needs to do something now.

    • And I’m saying it doesn’t work like that. Judge has to approve omething like that and at this point and she won’t go for it. A solid legal case can’t be made for it. Especially because she testified out of her own free will. This isn’t a civil law suit. Court doesn’t just stop because you feel your case is in trouble.

      • If Jodi has problems with her counsel, that will come up on appeal. She’d never fire them now.

  139. On an unrelated note, because I am now sick of gas cans and walmart. Because of this media circus and the fact the jury is not sequestered, could that lone be grounds for an appeal, or mistrial? This just seems ridiculous that the jury could be so easily manipulated. Its crazy, all you really have to do is ygo to yahoo, and see some sort of headline about it.

    • I can easily see a case made on appeal. Jury should have been sequestered no doubt. That was a huge error in my opinion. They should have moved the trial mies and miles way AND sequestered jurors to insure a verdict and fair trial.. If one jury slips up or anything comes out after the fact it’s an easy mistrial and this starts all over. Good luck getting an unbiased jury them!

      • Well, IF she is charged with M1, that is an automatic appeal. Most people charged with any type serious crime appeal. I believe the jury takes this very seriously and I would be surprised if they are not abiding by the court orders. But I was a bit surprised they were not sequestered, apparently neither side thought it was necessary.

        • SJ confirmed for me the other day that Nurmi did motion for the jurors to be sequestered. I believe he said that was in January of this year (2013). I do not know if there was a hearing on the matter, or if JM objected though. I asked SJ but my post was most likely buried. Perhaps someone could confirm if they are aware and were following closely then.

            • Thank you SJ. I had meant to look through those minute orders, but got too tired. I see it says:
              “Counsel for the Defendant re-urges the Motion to Sequester the Jury.
              IT IS ORDERED denying the Motion for reasons stated on the record.”
              So this was his motion for reconsideration. He must have filed a motion for it previously that was denied. I would like to know the court’s reasoning behind that.

        • They are reading/listening.
          Half the jury questions are ones that were brought up on HLN….verbatim

  140. I’m going to ask this and mention this again. I will be more clear . Not talking about jodi but this has happened to me more than once.
    I purchased gas can from wal mart
    I peel sticker off gas can that has barcode on it
    The receipt is in my dirty , greasy hands
    Grease gets on the numbers on the receipt so u can’t see the numbers but u see how much I paid for it or maybe not but u do see the description of the item
    I return back to wal mart to return item
    They can’t see numbers on receipt
    They use misc code to refund my money in cash
    How does that go back into their system as a returned gas can ?

    • LOL Sean……since the receipt is totally smeared with grease and NO numbers are seen…you got me. I guess they go get the same can off the shelf and use that one for the return scan. I know, they are OUT of that can…..Im guessing that they gave you money back coz they could see the receipt was a WalMart one. IDK..LOL….grease only on item # not on price…

    • It doesn’t. But that doesn’t really help her much because there would now be no proof of return of said gas can. If the jury is already having a hard time trusting her then they need to see something more concrete The defense would have to prove there was a misc cash return in the same exact $ amount with a misc refund code to help her if your scenario were to be what transpired.

      I understand where you are coming from with the whole sticker barcode deal and agree. I do all think Walmart would have records of every dollars refunded or given as change through out the day. It is accounted or somewhere.

      • they would have to or their drawer of cash would not balance. And yeah, I agree they would just scan one that someone went and got off the shelf if they didn’t get the barcode. It’s also possible that they could look it up online.

        From the gas cans walmart has on their website, they all have rather large labels on them that probably have the barcode…and yes they do have one that is a kerosene container in blue, but all of these are only in the smaller 2 gallon sizes.

    • You are right and tenacious! It doesn’t go back into the system. I think we have all solved the gas can issue!! LOL! Good job everyone.

      • And we all thought that we’d never hear about gas cans again once Casey Anthony’s trial ended!

    • Sean, SJ and everyone, O M Gee,
      YES!! I am a couponer. My job is shopping actually. I have my own site and I have returned many things. They do use a misc key if it doesnt come up when they scan it is one example, like you said Sean or they have no barcode (sku numbers). I once returned something from target to Walmart. The lady told me, we no loinger carry those here. It was a shaver. I was like what?? Ugh, she said no problem. She looked up the SKU number and said they had them at (I forget the price, it was more, yee haw) than I had paid I remember, but in order to NOT screw up inventory, she gave me a Misc credit receipt. I said I didnt even open it, she said we wont resell it but just return it to manufacturer, YES Sean, you are right. Or if you het it at a different Walmart, they can tell, they give you a credit with Misc on receipt. I will get some together and post those. They dont want to screw up inventory, they use the SKU number to get me the price but credit it under Misc!! yes! I have those receipts. HELLO NURMI!!

      • Thanks patty. I’m glad At least one person understood or actually has shopped at a store in their lifetime. Seems like some folks here have never encountered an issue like this before. Lol

  141. Sometimes people seem to be lying because the details of their recollections don’t match facts or are presented from a personal perspective different from what another individual may see and remember, especially the longer away one gets from the event. I’m sure Jodi was advised to remember as much as she could about her relationship with Travis, her road trip, etc., because the less she remembers, the more it will appear that she is hiding something or being evasive. So she tried hard to remember to prepare for court-maybe too hard-and had plenty time to think as she sat in her jail cell day after day, which is one good reason she can remember so many details that the average person can’t. Also, she is trying to recall small details of things that happened years ago, even as far back as high school dating. I also know it is almost impossible for me to remember where and at what times I stopped along the way, what I ate, etc. and other small details of a very important road trip I took last year, let alone trying to piece together details of a trip that occurred several years ago, in 2008, as Jodie has had to do. Of course, having time to think has helped her remember the small, even unimportant details of many experiences. However, it’s still highly probable, at least on occasions, to be stating somethings she believes to be true to the best of her recollection that may not check out exactly as she recalls it, and have this be a mistake but not a deliberate lie. Of course, the prosecution likes all the small details and his rapid-fire line of questioning, as he’s bound to get her to make mistakes that he can then hold as inconsistencies and lies. I’m sure Jodi’s lawyers will be watching this carefully, as she cannot appear to jurors to be lying under oath.

  142. Oh just one other thing and I’m SURE this has happened to some of u
    HOW MANY TIMES HAVE U RETURNED AN ITEM BUT THE CASHIER FOR SOME REASON CAN’T BRING THAT ITEM UP WITH THAT NUMBER ON THE RECIEPT ? It has happened to me several times.

    • Really? never happened to me, and I return ALOT of stuff…(mostly Kohls) Either they enter my item # on receipt or scan the actual item. I actually returned a whole bunch of clothes to Kohls one Christmas, had taken all the tags off already, and had no receipt. I just wanted to exchange them. The clerk actually entered all the info from the inside tags, and made new item/price tags for all the clothes. I had at least 8 or 9 things. hen she scanned the “new” tags and I got a Kohls gift card.

      • After Christmas I took my daughter to Walmart, to spend a gift card she received for Christmas. The items she picked out exceeded her gift card amount by maybe $8.00. The gift card was for $50.00 and I paid the difference with cash. Upon exiting the store, I looked at the recipt because the math was not adding up correctly to what I had estimated. I noticed the clerk scanned 1 doll two times. I went back to the same cashier with my receipt and NOT the items, as I had already placed the items in my car. I showed the cashier my receipt and explained he had charged me twice. He opened his register, gave me the cash for the item plus applicable tax and apologized. NOTE: He did NOTHING to my receipt and gave me cash back even though the majority of the purchase was paid with a gift card. So what type of “record’ would Walmart have for this situation. I do not PUT MY FAITH into Walmart, its employees, or its recordkeeping.

    • Okay, I get it. Showing NO return of the gas can would not prove she didn’t return it….but the extra gas purchase will. If JM can prove gas was purchased on that 3rd transaction, its the same thing as proving she didn’t return the gas can. But regardless, I’m sure that’s damn near impossible as well. Could be explained away with food, or anything but gas. That point was brought up in previous posts. Point is IF he has something, it could be bad. That’s all I was trying to say.
      On the sequestering issue….I find it odd that this judge is being so “careful” to do everything fairly on both sides, how did she not decide to sequester them? Makes no sense…

      • Exactly, makes no sense a judge not sequestering a jury for a DP trial with this much national attention is really baffling. This doesn’t put a favorable light on AZ judicial system. In the long run that hurts their economy.

      • rumor on other sites is that the gas station was only open for purchases at the pump at that time in the middle of the nite- 3 or 4 am? So either it was a mistaken charge, or she lost the receipt maybe.

        I guess we will find out tomorrow. GAHHHH it’s going to be hard to sleep now.

      • Could the 3rd transaction be for gas that went into the car? I admit that I’m lost on some of this testimony.

        • There were three transactions at that gas station…. all three totaled something like $96. She had two separate receipts for two gas purchases, one for (approx) $37, one for $40. But Martinez produced her bank statement which showed there was a third purchase made at that same station in the amount of $19.65. Jodi did not have a receipt for that one. Martinez speculates the $37 filled the two gas cans Jodi claims she had, the $40 filled the car, so what did she spend the additional $19.65 on? He says it was this mysterious “third gas gan” that Jodi said she had returned to Walmart.

      • Yes, considering someone here has confirmed the store portion of that particular gas station was not open from 1am to 6am, and JA’s receipts show she was there at approx. 4am…. what did she buy if not gas???

        (gas could still be purchased from the pumps between 1am-6am using a credit card)

        I believe the person that called that gas station said in addition to gas one could also purchase a car wash, a newspaper, and one other thing that I can’t remember… and I can’t remember the cost of these items, but I couldn’t get them to add up to $19.65.

    • Omg!!!!! Regardless of the code, sku sticker , receipt, no receipt, faded smeared receipt …. whatever! They will still have some sort of record showing the exact cost of said item being distributed out of a cash register as some sort of refund. as long as its timed after she bought it earlier in the day she will be good to go. I don’t hold on to receipts after I return something. No longer a need for it. You are starting to sound a little nutty Sean lol. We are all hearing you and see where you are coming from like 10 bar code all cap sticker posts ago. No one has even disagreed with you. We will have to see what JM has and go from there.

  143. Sean
    But she has a receipt with a very clear bar code. It was presented and admitted into evidence.

    And in my above post, the following sentence is worded awkwardly
    “So what is often missed and IMO assumed is the the state does NOT have to prove premeditation to ask for a death sentence.”

    To clarify that sentence, I am saying the state does NOT have to prove premeditation. She is also indicted for felony murder as a secondary charge. They have already proven the predicate felony so at that is left there is proving murder. if the jury splits on felony murder and premeditation, she is still death eligible and presumed guilty on sentencing.

    Now logically JM is going to try too prove both offenses, but he doesn’t have to
    There are many people on Arizona death row for felony murder – even felony murder without intent.
    IMO if she is found guilty, all she has is her gender and race ( sadly true, it should not be that way) going for to avoid a capital sentence.

    This Walmart website says and receipt talk is out of the way foundation of evidence is built. It is all about the UPC code and reliance on the accuracy of the record regardless of what it shows. The later is a huge obstacle – Walmart is known for its record keeping and they will come prepared to have it questioned. They have to, their need to do so goes beyond any trial for them – they have the market to answer to.

    One of the first things taught in law school to trial lawyers is never ask for something you do not know the answer to. It is on you if you think JM has learned that.

    And everyone can surely agree it is much better to have a jury that has not been given impeachment instructions – especially true when the one impeached is testifying to things no one else can back up. Think Fuhrman.

    • Personally I read that Juan is known and proud of the fact that he doesn’t work off his notes. He appears hot headed, easily irritated and also doesn’t get the chance to cross examine defendants often so that mixed with a very recent motion filed for the Walmart records after asking her if she would be surprised by them, makes me feel he might have gotten cocky and was trying to bluff into admitting to something that might not have happened. Time will tell. I’ m interested to see.

      I disagree with your felony murder statement. It should have never even been offered as an option and JM is really stretching in a dangerous manner to make it fit as a back up to M1. Is he really that desperate to kill this girl??? Travis invited her over, opened the door, slept in the same bed, had hours of sex with her, posed for pictures for her then whatever transpired transpired. To say she was no longer welcome and became a trespasser once she started to kill him creating trespassing as the felony crime that qualifies the murder for dp is like saying a girl that’s having consensual sex can decide her boyfriend smells bad, tell him to get off her and turn around and call it rape because seconds before she said to stop she was no longer mentally consenting. It’s wrong and it can affect many many cases going forward if a precedent is set for felony murder in this case. It’s careless and unethical in my opinion. Talk about trying to twist the law at all costs!!!!

  144. Holy shit..LOL!!! I was watching my DVR’d episodes of Judge Judy, and 2 were old ones/reruns on last Sunday night. I kept watching this one and thinking, “That guy looks so familiar”…..and then when they showed his name on the screen, it said GUS SEARCY. HAHA! it was from 2002, and he was all smiley and chipper and had his PPL pin on his lapel……funny as hell. He tried to talk and keep asking her questions and even when she was ready to rule he had more to say. His ex wife and daughter were on the opposing side, his daughter was suing him, (she was early 20’s) for bedroom furniture from the house they all lived in. Gus and his wife were getting divorced and he wouldnt let her have it til he sold the house. Judge Judy ruled against him. (good) He was really petty and mean….his own daughter.

      • What!!!??/ I never knew NG said that about him……LOL, I really can’t see how Jodi would be attracted to him AT all. I find him arrogant, self serving and creepy. I just remembered him testifying that Jodi came to visit him in his mobile home…maybe thats all he got in the divorce! LOL

    • OMG ROFL- thanks for that, I am laughing and that should make it easier to relax and get some sleep.

      What kind of dad refuses to give his daughter her bedroom furniture??? I guess he was having a hard time selling the house- but still…

      • I know….his daughter barely looked at him at all! Apparently, it was a nasty divorce and he was living in the marital house until it was sold. He told Judge Judy he wanted to leave her furniture there because “it looked better during showings”….wtf?? The daughter testified that it was a Christmas gift to her the year before and Gus admitted it. He even as far as to pull out divorce papers and quote them, the part that says, “no one shall remove, sell, etc, any property until divorce is final”….I thought it was really petty and mean. He lost the case. After the hearing, when both sides kinda chat about it outside the court room, the daughter said her dad does nothing for his 4 kids and they don’t get along with him. His ex was kinda pretty and didnt say anything really bad about him, just looked annoyed. I always thought he was a jerk and a publicity hound. LOL….I cracked up when I saw he had on his PPL button…hahahaha

  145. And furthermore, there are 2 Motions To Compel. Walmart and Tesoro. He did both for a reason.
    If it comes back that Walmart does not have a record of the gas can and Tesoro shows more gas purchased then the tank and the 2 cans hold, where is she? Relying on arguing Walmart made an error against their witness and also having to say the gas went where?

    • I just read on another site that every motion in this trial, whether introduced by the prosecution or defense, has had the 001 code. So we don’t even know for sure if Martinez or Nurmi is the one asking for the receipts.

      • Gees, holy cow, seriously? That’s what I’ve been wanting to know all night, is HOW anybody knows for sure that the little man made a motion to compel, and now we don’t even KNOW who did it?

    • Samantha, I’m going to go over this once again. Please read this and respond why she wouldn’t keep the 3rd receipt . When Jodi filled her car in SLC she kept the receipt. Then she filled the two gas cans and also kept that receipt. There was no receipt for the $19.65 purchase. Jodi wanted to keep all the gas purchase receipts so she could use them as deductions for tax purposes. So why wouldn’t she keep the receipt if there was a 3rd can? HERE’S MY POINT: At that point in time Jodi wouldn’t have known there would be this big discussion about a 3rd gas can five years later. So there would have been no reason to hide or throw away any gas receipt. I mean, think about it. Why would she be thinking about destroying a 3rd gas can receipt when there would be no reason to believe there was anything to be deceptive about? Do you think she would be thinking that she would be on the stand five years later testifying that she had returned that gas can? Or do you think that at that time she would be thinking that there would be any significance to the fact that there would be a difference if she was filling 2 gas cans or 3 gas cans? Of course not. THERE WAS NO REASON FOR HER TO BELIEVE AT THAT POINT IN TIME THAT SHE WOULD HAVE TO BE DECEPTIVE ABOUT A 3RD GAS CAN IF THERE WAS ONE!! She would have kept the receipt just like she did for the other 2 gas purchases if there was a 3rd gas purchase!

    • Martinez seemed to intentionally hide the purchase date of items on JA’s bank statement so until we see it in black and white we can’t even be sure that third purchase was made on the same date. Look how deceitful he was with the journal entries, cutting out specific excerpts that fit in with his line of questioning. He may be pulling the same stunt with this third purchase from Tesoro.

      • So when would the third purchase in Salt Lake City have taken place? The store/station number is the same for all three purchases. The only thing could be if she waited around until they opened at 6am…and then bought stuff at the convenience store part.

        Thing is the bank would have a more detailed record of the type of transaction- trust me, I worked in banking in the atm/credit software side. And trust me when I say Banks keep records of all transactions for 7-10 years, and can pull it all back out when they have to. I was a computer operations person in another life.

        Wow, I hope they clear all this up tomorrow, and we don’t have to wait for rebuttal cases…

    • So I’m hearing you say that JM has implied something to the jury that he doesn’t really have the answer to? Like I said before … that sounds like playing Jedi mind tricks with the jury.

        • Natalie, that is all Kermit has been doing this whole time is playing mind tricks. People come on here using this as a platform to rile people up and they think he has something, and so far he hasn’t. I wouldn’t be surprised AT ALL if he had nothing yet again.

          Samantha probably thought Kermit would have bombshell info on stalking and all the other nonsense too.

      • I think at times he cuts her off or only wants a yes no so the answer will fit his narrative sure. Not Jedi mind trick but very common strategy which I find dirty. The girl is on trial for her life … I would and have thought to myself ” just let her talk and you wouldn’t have all this childish banter” . It’s her trial the jury should be able t hear her full answers so they can decide for themselves. The journal thing made him look bad I feel. I also was shocked when the defense asked about the ripped out pages. At that point I felt Defense was winning the journal issue. That was until all the talk about rule of attraction or whatever. Now it’s a wash for me lol.

  146. ANOTHER THING THAT GOT TO ME IS THE PHONE IN THE HOUSE THE ROOMMATES IN THE HOUSE EVERY ONE IS CALLING THE PHONE IS RINGING WHY DID THEY NOT HEAR IT IN THE OFFICE HE SAY HIM AND HIS GF WERE IN THE HOUSE. DONT KNOW ABOUT HIS PHONE IF IT RINGS OR VIBRATES OR SING A TUNE BUT …..

  148. Exactly. Thus could be the final straw so to speak. It would prove the third gas can, and her lying about it. The only reason JA would lie is if she thought it proves pre med. Or at least she THINKS the jury would view it as pre med. That would not fall short of the jury. they will wonder what else she lied about

    • Can’t remember who asked if I thought JM might not know the answer
      No, I am sure he knows the answer. He didn’t leave that as the final question before the weekend with reason. If Jodi has lied, he knows what kin if state she will be when she takes the stand tomorrow and continues on with him.

      I think this could be very bad for her.
      He did not ask for those records without reason
      And frankly, there is no reason the defense would. They want to talk about that stuff as little as possible – you may have noticed with all the days they had her on the stand, considering the ratio of time, they talked very little about that trip.

      Rb
      Regarding this:
      Samantha, I’m going to go over this once again. Please read this and respond why she wouldn’t keep the 3rd receipt . When Jodi filled her car in SLC she kept the receipt. Then she filled the two gas cans and also kept that receipt. There was no receipt for the $19.65 purchase. Jodi wanted to keep all the gas purchase receipts so she could use them as deductions for tax purposes. So why wouldn’t she keep the receipt if there was a 3rd can?

      If I was JM, I would argue that Jodi was math capable, was aware of how many miles per gallon I how far she could get in and out of Mesa with 2 cans vs. 3 cans), made a point via gas purchases and cell pings to not place herself near Mesa, and thus used the 3rd can for that reason and in consequence, when she knew she was indicted and going to be arrested, if she still had the receipt and didn’t toss it sooner, ridded herself of the receipt that would show her filling a 3rd “can get to Mesa from California and far away from Mesa before needing more gas” ( possible record/sighting of filling up) can. I would use it for all its worth as a component of premeditation, coverup, and now impeachment.

      And frankly with her still denying it and denying it so vehemently, if he can show it is untruthful, it really strengthens what was a weaker argument for him. He will say “See, I told you why she did this, and what it means. She, herself, knows it means something because why else would she lie about it? If it was inconsequential and did not have the significance it does, why would she ever tell you she returned it. What else has she told you?” ( expecting an objection, that’s why I would toss the suggestion of “what else has she lied to you about on the end, lol )

      In many ways – strengthening his argument, having the potential of having impeachment instructions read to a jury that is deliberating an affirmative defense whereas she is basically the witness, and flat out looking at the jury and lying to them, if he has this on her, this could be a very bad thing for her. It would be a huge “gotcha”moment.

      If people can stand back, what will you think if it is shown the third can wasn’t returned? Will it shake your confidence in her testimony. Like so many have said, why lie about something that is basically a small scale when you look at the whole of things? Does that mean she lied about big things?
      Look at how you viewed and are viewing people, those even outside the courtroom and not under oath, that are saying what you believe are lies. Isn’t it reasonable to expect the jury to have the same reaction as you, especially someone who has told huge falsehoods before and is now under path and saying, “I promise, this time I am telling the truth”

      I hope she was being truthful and JM doesn’t have the goods.

      It doesn’t matter if some think felony murder should be on the table or not, it is. The grand jury indicted her for it as a secondary charge.
      Regarding the predicate felony
      If the jury believes Jodi came with the gun, they have her predicate felony there. But here’s the thing, even if they don’t believe she brought the gun and believe the gun was TA’s, in comes bulgary. Bulgary – just being there when not welcome – is a felony, and the argument is you are no longer welcome when you are committing murder, and so your presence meets the element of bulgary.

      One doesn’t need to steal anything as most assume one does for bulgary to stick. The legal definition of bulgary is entering or staying in a structure you are no longer welcome in. Stealing something is legally defined as theft. Now In know people are gonna fight that and assert over and over again you need to steal something to be charged with bulgary, but It has been argued long before this case and bulgary has been defined as that and held as defined by that by precedent over and over again.

      I know for the most part people do not like my posts. My intent isn’t to piss you off; it is just to give you a grounded opinion.

      • Wasn’t she living with her grandparents at the time? Can you be charged with burglary at your own residence?

      • From Samantha “If I was JM, I would argue that Jodi was math capable, was aware of how many miles per gallon I how far she could get in and out of Mesa with 2 cans vs. 3 cans), made a point via gas purchases and cell pings to not place herself near Mesa, and thus used the 3rd can for that reason and in consequence, when she knew she was indicted and going to be arrested, if she still had the receipt and didn’t toss it sooner, ridded herself of the receipt that would show her filling a 3rd “can get to Mesa from California and far away from Mesa before needing more gas” ( possible record/sighting of filling up) can. I would use it for all its worth as a component of premeditation, coverup, and now impeachment.

        First of all, a small point, but Jodi testified she was bad at math. Second, that is pretty laughable that she would throw away that receipt and keep other receipts when she was indicted and knew she was going to be arrested. Why not just throw away every receipt she had? Why, then, even keep receipts of the times she was just filling up the 2 gas cans? Because even with just the 2 gas cans JM is insinuating that she has those cans to hide her tracks in AZ. So why, if she’s going to be tearing up receipts back home in Yreka, would she then not tear up the receipts showing the two gas cans that JM claims are also incriminating? Your answer makes no sense!

        But, I do agree it is a HUGE deal if JM can prove she lied about a 3rd can. In fact I was going to bring this point up yesterday even before it became one of yesterday’s hot topics. It isn’t the fact in and of itself that there was a 3rd can that makes it important, but as you said, it is a big credibility issue. Because if it can be shown that Jodi is lying about this then you can call into question everything she testifies about. But this cuts both ways. If in fact, after all his theatrics, he cannot prove that Jodi is being deceptive then his own credibility comes into question. Jodi has quite confidently stated at least twice on the stand that there was not a 3rd can. And, as I went through on my earlier post, it makes no sense for her NOT to have kept that receipt of a 3rd gas purchase. So I believe her when she says there was no 3rd can. However, if indeed he can prove there was, then that is a problem.

        • To Samantha: And furthermore with regards to you’re thinking that Jodi sat down and planned on how much gas she would need to go through AZ without leaving tracks: If she was that much of a Mastermind on figuring out how much gas she would need to get through AZ undetected , then explain to me why she would keep the receipts for the 2 gas can-purchase that she made in Pasadena that would implicate her in this grand plan. Again, your logic makes no sense.

  150. Is there any way we can have a Dustin Thompson and Ashley Reid page? (Or a Dustin, Ashley, Roommates and Other interesting people, page?) Seems they are a huge part of this story – Ashley’s initial concerns regarding Dustin are well worth looking into. Or I guess we could just keep that going on the Flores Report page, but the pages are getting pretty filled up.

  152. If that station was open only for gas purchases with a credit or debit card could someone come up that doesn’t have a card and ask u if he could give u cash and u use ur card for them to get gas ?
    Say I have a 20 dollar bill but no card and I ask u if u can pump 20 bucks in my tank using ur card and I give u the 20 dollar bill to help out a fellow stranded motorist ?

    • haha I thought of that one too. But too late for her to say that now. Sure you would just pull your car up there an put gas in for them. I really don’t think she lied about the gas can though as it makes no sense really she knows they can go check? or at least I would think she knows that. I think it is the time she returned it an the time that she put the gas in the tanks that JM is getting at? the don’t match up? or he is bluffing an hoping for another answer.

  153. I don’t care if the court system doesn’t work this way or that way. If my life’s on the line I fire nurmi tomorrow morning. What r they going to do ? Put me in jail ? If the judge refuses to fire nurmi than I will sit there just yelling bullshit all day long. Trust me at this point jodi is as good as dead and has nothing to lose. If its me I would try everything and anything to get a mistrial or something to change what’s going on . I wouldn’t sit there and do nothing and accept a death sentence for me defending myself against some pedophile jackass. F that . U say they will proceed without me ? Even at that point the jurors would have some doubt as to my innocence cause I’m trying so hard and just maybe they won’t sentence me to death which is the whole objective here. Btw I’m not proud of this but in my 20s I did some crimes and went to prison for a while. Actually I won 2 cases in court in front of a jury . Again it was when I was very young and stupid but I do know how the court system and prison system works

  154. Not listening or reading all this hype about JM an Nurmi. Hope today will be a GOOD DAY for Jodi. I seriously think there is more to this then what most think she just won’t give it up for some reason.

    I watched DAY 1 an 2 again. An those big old shorts with the stripe down the side in the washer I do
    not think those would fit Jodi at all. An only a man would throw all those clothes in the washer an
    put BLEACH in there an a camera too. If she took the rope gun a knife why would she leave that other
    crap there? that makes no sense. OR was the knife in the dishwasher I can’t remember now. But this story don’t jive with me. Somebody in Mesa Arizona knows the rest of the STORY I think.

    • Rhonda,
      Jodi has already testified that that is her in the photo. Her pants, and her black socks. As far as putting all the bloody clothes, bedding, towels, etc, in the washer, she did that and likely the camera was all wrapped up in the bundle of linens. She also tried to clean up the bathroom area and even washed of TA after he was in shower. She has never denied these things, she has only said it is all a fog and she has no memory of doing it. Adding bleach to the wash means nothing, remember, she was clearly not in her right mind, after the washer started she left. As far as the knife, she has testified that she has a vague memory of putting a knife in the dishwasher, but isn’t sure if its from that day or a previous day while visiting TA. I have never thought there was a conspiracy, other people involved, cover up, etc. Jodi has already said, (again today) that no one was there but her and TA. This woman is fighting for her very life, if there was someone else to take some blame, or a witness, etc….believe me, she would have spoken up.

      • Yes I know that this is why I stated at the top of my comment… I seriously think there is more to this then what most think she just won’t give it up for some reason. My Opinion is all.

      • Perhaps it was just all lack of memory because that she was in a fog? Is there not a lot that was NOT cleaned up? That’s what it looked like in the pics i seen. She was in shock and blacked… out or else you would have thought she would have tried to clean everything? Why only clean up one area? Just curious and my thoughts on it. I’ve been in a bad spot and while getting away i do not remember what i did while making my escape from my abuser, just knew i had to take my child and leave. I grabbed a diaper bag, my car key’s and a bottle.but don’t remember doing so. I just assume i did because they were with me so i HAD to of picked them up on my way running out the door. There is SO MANY different way’s one could look at this.

  155. JC or Sj,
    can one of y’all contact me? Or how do I send you aprivate message?
    Thanks
    Patty

  156. ***BUSTED*** Am i mistaking or was the police report i just looked at on here stating that TA tried to steal 4 boxes of cold meds? Why would he need so much! Where i’m from (and everywhere else i assume) it is a main ingredient for making meth! Hhhmmmmm And how violent did TA get! WOW….Now that don’t surprise me. Poor Jodi….I’m sorry for all the Mental, Physical Emotional AND Spiritual pain that TA made you suffer through. You have my prayers sweetie!
    And Nancy Grace must be running out of material…Went on today AGAIN about Jodi’s cold sore. What a trash talker! I hope she drinks too much orange juice and get’s a big ugly sore on her lip that her makeup lady can’t hide from her viewers! lol. As it is, I have HD TV & i feel sorry for Nancy….Cuz..Boy she must be stressed out! Why? Cuz i can see every line & wrinkle on her face & i think they doubled since this trial. Nancy is getting older by the minute grabbing at straws and trying to fill her air time. Now if it was TA on trial and Jodi was on the other side of the story…Boy would she have ALOT of ammo to use on him. Sorry Nancy, Not much of a story here! {{{Giggle}}}

  157. I have to comment that Nancy G is beyond the pale for someone who at one time practiced law. I mean its fine to be passionate in your opinion but to be so over the top spewing venom on national tv is beyond the pale IMO. I have zero respect for her at this point.

    When her and that pretty red head Jean lady were commenting they thought Jodi scratched the cd’s as a ploy to incite him. GMAB

    Well, gee, since we are creating fiction we feel fits the event I think Jodi incited saint travis by telling him SHE was dumping HIM for Ryan and this was a fun goodbye romp to her before she kicked him to the curb and moved on to green and healthy pastures .. and added he’s not that great in the sack .. and tiny to boot.

    I thought Martinez was verging on behaving like he is a typical abuser. He was not impressive at all. He is not Perry Mason. He was almost spitting and were I on the jury I would be TURNED OFF with his style.

    Dr. Pew just said “look at that puss” as he is airing footage of Jodi after 18 DAYS OF THIS!!!??? I’d like to see his PUSS after being abused and grilled and sitting in jail for 4 years. WHAT DO THESE PEOPLE EXPECT? HE’S A DOCTOR!?

    BLECH – they are pukes.

    I thought Jodi held her own as best she could as he tried to twist her words and twist every word into something she was NOT saying. He was pitiful

  158. She didn’t disavow all she’s done – SHE accepts she SHOT HIM. What do these insane humans want?

  159. I hope these pukes who think they are *the behaviour bureau* – GBAB! – are as wrong about the jury as they are about Jodi.

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