The proxy, the prosecutor and the penis…

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1. CJ – great summary. I am thinking like you.

   I do have a quick question – was the computer with the penis pic Travis’s or Jodie’s? I could have sworn I heard HLN stating it was Jodies…….I thought it was Travis’s laptop? Can anyone confirm for me.

   • The laptop was in Travis’ home. And, Jodi had told the detective that he was looking at videos on YouTube when she arrived around 4 a.m.

     • Thanks, Nicole! Can’t wait to see how they tie all this together! I hope the judge let’s the pictures in.

   • Its was TA. NG just tried twisting it around saying, who knows if it wasnt JA!! Go figure…

   • Those pictures were taken from a damaged external hd that was in Travis’s office . Do you remember Detective Flores stating there was no virus on the laptop? It does not mean there was not one on the external hd. My question is why would Travis have his comp named Deanna Reed? Even if he bought it second hand and was not the original owner, that could be changed by him if he chose to.

     • Right.. IF he chose to. Someone mentioned that it used to be her laptop. Or do you think it can also be that Deanna Ried was there using it?

     • This is not correct. The virus was on a laptop in the study.

       See http://jodi-arias.wikispaces.com/Trial+Index#virus

2. This trial is getting very interesting. I have a feeling there are a LOT of things that Travis’ friends did not know about him.

   I highly doubt the defense would bring this witness unless he had some “major bombshell” he was going to drop.

   And, SJ is right. A proxy server allows you to “surf with giving your IP away.” However, the one thing Travis did not count on is that his computer would record his every move.

   I, too, am awaiting Sky Hughes’ testimony. She really inserted herself into this investigation and trial. I guess I would want justice for my friend, as well. But, I’m not sure I would put myself into the position as a “spy” for the prosecution.

   Something that I find weird though. Why would Chris and Sky Hughes give Travis a “meeting place” for him and Jodi and NOT know what they were doing behind closed doors if they are (I think so) Mormon?

   I have SO many questions…

   BTW, I think the hearing yesterday might have been about the phone call that was taped. Does anyone know if that was already given to the prosecution in the discovery phase?

   • VERY INTERESTING. So SJ, is it true then that even though the proxy server allows a mystery ip address, does that mean however that we can STILL see what Travis typed in …the website he wanted to go to…or the subject matter????

     Nicole THAT is a very good question re: why the Hughes allowed their good Mormon friend to use their place as a rendezvous meeting place. Is she on the witness list also for the trial itself? I know Chris is, but is Skye?

     This would be explosive information and could be huge in telling the jury what so far has been extremely difficult. AND the fact Skye ALSO said to Mr Nurmi in the infamous email “I KNEW he had issues but…”

     • Hi Daniel,
       I’m no forensics expert, but the guys checking out the hard drive are, so yes, I think they will know some (or all) of the sites that were visited while the proxy was deployed.
       (Sky Hughes is also on the witness list too.)
       SJ

       • Excellent! Thanks SJ…Waiting until Monday is gonna be difficult.

       • If TA used a good proxy server, they will NOT be able to see the sites he visited. The proxy server encrypts this information so they will just be able to see that he visited some unknown site at some time. And a supoena to the proxy server won’t help because that data is actively wiped from the proxy server. The thing is, not all proxy servers are designed well and if he used a free one they may still inadvertantly have this information.

         • Why would they not be able to see the sites he visited when they are looking at his hard drive Mark? They aren’t policing it from elsewhere and that is what proxy servers do, hide the ip address from others on the internet.

         • Debbie,

           Even if the proxy doesn’t block traces on your own hard drive, it would be interesting to know if TA was using In Private Browsing or Incognito (prevents history and cookies from being saved on your computer, but it does nothing to mask your Internet identity).

           Or if he was cleaning up afterwards with CC Cleaner, which might keep those traces at bay?

           However, some apps that work within browsers, such as Flash and Java, can also betray your IP address while you’re using a proxy.

           The next level of protection is a proxy system like Tor. This routes all your Internet traffic through volunteer servers around the world. No one can track you!

       • Hopefully, they’ll think to look for History/Cookies in more than just Internet Explorer … Remember what Jose Baez says …

         • Why was the computer damaged….do we know? And what type of damage? HLN is still reporting, or should I say speculating, that the penis pictures were off Arias’s computer.

           With today’s technology, it would seem that they could retrieve all sorts of info from the hard drive.

         • MickyD. although it is true that no one may be able to track you from outside of your computer there is such a thing as a key logger that can track every key you have ever typed on your computer. Forensic computer experts know their stuff and they will easily get around ip blockers.

         • I forgot about key loggers. But it’s my understanding that the key logger software has to be installed and tracking at the time the keys are pressed … it can’t be done retroactively.

           I also wonder too, even if CC Cleaner was used or in private browsing, if like you say, they know their stuff, and couldn’t get deeper into the computer and find the browser traces even though CC Cleaner and in private browsing would not allow the average joe to see it.

           Kind of like people who delete files, dont’ realize that they are A) In the Trash Bin, and B) Or are still referenced and retrievable in the computer’s file table (or whatever it’s called)

     • My students used proxies to get around the school firewalls. They can be used like that too. He wasnt using if that way of course. Just adding interesting info about proxies.

       • CJ, I was very surprised that the defense never mentioned anything about the proxy site Travis looked into when their computer forensic witness was testifying. I think it’s s a crucial point for their case. Right now all the legal commentators on TV are saying no porn was found on Travis’s computer & that he was innocently browsing music videos the night before he died. I haven’t heard a single legal commentator mention anything about that proxy site Travis viewed on YouTube which as you’ve written is very suggestive (especially if someone wants to consider using a proxy site while browsing at home, since its “legitimate” uses are more common at the workplace/school).

         By the way, Travis’ url activity also suggests he may have been involved in “click fraud” involving Google’s advertising program, Adsense. Adsense is where Google places ads on your own website & you get paid whenever a visitor clicks on it. However, it’s prohibited that you click on the ads appearing on your own site – it’s unethical & is grounds for termination of your Adsense account. The night before he died, Travis visited his own personal website (travisalexander.net), & then his next immediate url had “googlesyndication” in it & that’s an indication that an Adsense ad was clicked (the url is different today but that’s how the url’s associated with Adsense clicks appeared back in 2008). So it suggests that Travis clicked on the ads appearing on his own website & he did this multiple times – that is considered “click fraud” by Google because you’re creating artificial (fraudulent) clicks that you shouldn’t be getting paid for (legitimate website owners are the ones paying for it). Google catches people doing this if they see a lot of clicks coming from the same IP address. And that leads to another possible reason why Travis may have been interested in proxy sites – to try to cheat the Adsense system. If he visits his own website & clicks on his own ads using proxy sites, then the IP addresses on each of the visits will be different & thus Google will be less likely to catch him.

         I’ve been involved with the Adsense program for many years so this was the very first thing that struck out in my mind when I heard Travis’ url history. So again, I’m really shocked why the proxy site issue was never mentioned. I guess all this stuff is pretty technical for most people, including Jodi’s own lawyers, eh? Whether you’re for Jodi or against, I think it’s something that should’ve at least been heard because it speaks volumes as to Travis’ character.

         • Very interesting assessment Peter!

           If I remember correctly, the computer expert did say there was porn, but he didn’t describe it. I need to go back and watch that one again.

         • wow Peter! The proxy/adsense issue escaped me, but now that you point that out, it makes a lot of sense!

3. I had posted something earlier (I thought) but cannot seem to find it and was curious as to folks thoughts. I read somewhere online where someone was asking a Defense attorney same question basically about the “mystery letters”…why did Nurmi bring them up in that way. It seems the attorney believes the same thing others on here told me in an earlier post that he wanted the information about the letters being 100% authenticated to be in Travis’ hands to BE in the public sphere…and the reason he thought the defense wants this is that he believes the defense is hoping a juror may find out about said authentication. But he also said that the inadmissibility of the letters, ruled previously, will stand. Nurmi won’t be able to introduce them at trial. So that makes me wonder did the “inadmissibility” judge even get to SEE the Authentication letter by the defense expert? I get they were copies and yes that makes it difficult…but still. they may not be able to see erase marks or whatever (which I am sure is the objection) but you can still look at a copy and get some sense when compared to Travis’ handwriting…

   • Daniel,

     Do you think handwriting analysis is allowed in court as a science? I thought it was regarded the same as polygraphs.

     I thought it was that they couldn’t authenticate because they didnt have the originals but the letters were proven to be written by handwriting experts.

     Maybe I should check the minutes.

     • Hi CJ. Forensic handwriting analysis (telling who most likely wrote something) is admissable in court.
       Graphology on the other hand..(interpreting “personality” information) is not and is often compared to ‘palm reading’. Google is such a wunnerful thing. 🙂

       • Thanks!

4. This proxy-air-proxy.com, it is known that it lvs no trace of the IP address, but can they (since they are experts) find what he was looking at that morning???

   Very interesting………. someone HAD made a joke on an earlier post about the child pornography, but I thought they were just throwing that in there because of the pigtails n the comment that JA sound like a 12 year old girl. Reading your post, SJ, now it does make a whole lot of sense to me. And for sure a lot if people are not going to like it. Lets just wait n see what they have to say about that!!! They cant twist THIS around and blame it on Jodi, or insinuate that its oh okay….., because THIS IS NOT EXPECTED from a man!!!!

   Martinez is going to fight his hardest to keep this from the jury n im worried that pickle face will side with him, n if the defense does show it, that it was indeed found in TA laptop, he will turn it around n have the expert testify that NO, he does NOT KNOW who the owner of the laptop is….

   • LC,

     I believe there is ZERO chance the judge COULD keep this information out no matter how hard Martinez screams about it. This is EVIDENCE as to what Jodi’s defense team has been trying to say. I think the judge despite Mr Dworkin’s inability to definitively say WHOSE computer it was, will be a non-issue, and will let it in. There was plenty of evidence that said it WAS Travis’ computer, not someone else’s. To keep that out would be major grounds for appeal later and I doubt the judge wants that on her record.

   • Or they will blame Jodi seducing him into such activities. The “blame Jodi and her seductiveness” is so exhausting. I mean, he was this stand up leader, an all around amazing man, yet he couldn’t stand his ground to someone as insignificant to her? Alexander the Great, helpless? Please.

     • Good that the “Alexander the great, ” delusion has once again, been exposed…

5. This is indeed a very interesting case. I want to watch/read/listen non-stop. Travis and Jodi both are being raked over the coals – and its their own fault. I feel especially bad for Travis’ family members – all they knew was love and admiration for Travis – and now all of this crap is coming out.

   I believe strongly this was pre-meditated murder – but she just might get a lesser conviction – not so sure jurors can leave emotions out of their deliberations.

   • Mari, I also feel horribly for Travis’ family, but Jodi’s family are also victims here and you need to remember that because they ALSO ‘only knew love and admiration for Jodi’.

     Imagine just how badly they are feeling since Jodi is REALLY getting raked..every little titillating thing the media finds they use to present a picture of Jodi that MAY NOT BE ACCURATE. She has zero history of being this despicable person she is being called now, so you need to wait and see! And imagine if you had a family member that was abused in the way they believe she was and this was happening to them and your family. Not trying to be aggressive on you just trying to let you understand there are many victims here.

     • Ya know, I am aware of that, too. Just didn’t put it in my comment. I guess I’m a bit desensitized to the whole sexual aspect of all of this – could very well be horrific for her mother to see/hear.

       Her daughter’s life on the line is just outside my comprehension. I’m not even worried she’d get the death penalty – not sure why – something about all of this has me convinced she’ll get life w/o parole.

       The child porn insinuations – that’s outlandish. I really hope its not true.

       I do think Travis brought this upon himself. Not that he deserved it just that he was playing with fire – and knew he was. He knew he was because he LIED about all of it.

       And Jodi brought this upon herself – I don’t think she deserves a death penalty, though.

       I don’t think either one of them were “closet monsters” – they were just young single kids who ALSO did some naughty things – not that they should be characterized as naughty people. They both just chose very badly over and over again.

       Do I make any sense?

       • What if it was self defense? What then? Then she was forced to go through all of this and her life is ruined.

         Let’s say it was self defense, not only did she have to take someone’s life to save her own, she probably has spent the last almost 5 years thinking if she just had been able to stay away from him, her life would have been fine and now she’s stuck in this mess. There is the guilt from knowing, whatever the reason, she had to kill him.

         There are many victims.

         Just as the saying goes, In war there are no unwounded soldiers.

         • @Jessica, maybe it was self defense. But, m having more trouble believing that lately. The fact that she asked on multiple occasions for gas cans from her ex to go to Arizona which supposedly according to her to det Flores wasn’t part of the plan it was spur of the moment points to premeditation. Jodi’s ex told the old defense team about the trip to Arizona and gas cans. Jodi asked him in may and June for them. The fact that there was enough gas in those cans to get her from Arizona to California would lead toward premeditation.

           Also, the fact that she was able to access a gun and knife within 1 min and 44 seconds to defend herself is hard to believe. It seems as if she had the weapons on her which would lead to premeditation.

           Still many questions and we’ll have to wait for the rest of the defense to see what else they bring in. I don’t feel they’ve brought in anything of value to Jodi at this point.

         • I still don’t see how the gas cans point toward premeditated murder. They may point to a spur of the moment trip to Arizona, but that could have initially been for sex. We know that Travis and Jodi kept quiet about their meetings to others.

           She didn’t necessarily access both the knife and the gun in 1 min. 44 secs. The picture of Travis bleeding could have been from the knife wounds only.

         • People are coming up with alternative reasons for the gas cans which sound reasonable to me–especially if there was, as somebody wrote, a gas shortage at the time.

           However, it looks like her defense team still has a big problem, because there is more than one behaviour or circumstance that looks like premeditation. There were:

           – the gas cans
           – the apparent secrecy of the trip to Arizona, along with her lack of cell phone calls during that leg of her journey
           – easy access to a gun, no matter at which point she shot him, and the fact that this very calibre gun was stolen from her grandparents’ house
           – easy access to a knife for self-defense

           Yes, I know, explanations for EACH item can be offered, and each has been discussed, at length, on these discussion boards. But, even if the jurors believe an explanation for one item, they may not believe it for the next. It’s the TOTALITY of the picture that’s going to have a greater influence, I think, than its individual parts.

           Don’t get me wrong. I do not think that this killing was planned or “cold-blooded” and I am convinced–as I have said many, many times–that Jodi was an abused woman. Like most of us, I can imagine, roughly, what happened that afternoon and use psychological theories to inform that imagined scenario.

           But, I have to agree with others like Interesting: so far, self-defense, as a legal concept, is looking pretty weak. I’m waiting, with bated breath, to see how the defense is going to continue to build on this claim.

         • Jessica… There is no “it,” to begin with; she didn’t shoot Travis, as proven by the States’ own evidence. therefore couldn’t, gain the upper hand. There it is; no conviction there; as a pivotable, basis, upon where all other equally refutable, facts, easily, move over to the not guilty column… Edgar…

       • Jodi was able to have a 4 year relationship with someone. There was none of this high emotion during it. If travis had not made it all secret then Jodi would have coasted along just fine. I think she is genuinely a gentle sort of girl. She won’t make a big deal out of things.

         I think it curious that Travis was so old by Mormon standards not to be married. He had some issues.

         • Yup Bill, and he wanted to marry 19 yr old Lisa, who was 11 yrs younger than Travis. She didn’t want to date or marry Travis and I wondered why until this last week. Her youth and inexperience would have made her the perfect stepford wife. Mimi went out on a few dates with Travis and decided she wanted to just be friends. He was a wonderful guy though, however two wholesome Mormon women didn’t want anything to do with him and his ideas of marriage. Lisa was able to see thru his crap, evidenced by the scathing email she sent to him. The email she sent said it all, and listening to it line by line described someone that was selfish, had a controlling dark side and that he was not a caring, loving individual. I am going to re-listen to Lisa’s testimony because I missed some parts of it. It’s really easy for her to now say she overreacted when she wrote the email, a 4 page email that took a lot of time and thought to create. She feels guilty because he is gone. However that email speaks to his real character in life, not the one everyone has created after his death.

         • Pique… You’re too bright to put such simple things into you analylytics… it’s simple; 50 /50 yes, maybe, no, observations, about socalled facts, simply proves, nothing, either way… and, that’s clear enough for all this galloping, reasonable doubt, permeating the socalled case, against her. The gas cans, mean nothing, because they were not used; so Jodi, changed her mind, if, it’s necessary to discount, other possibilities, that, aren’t generated by the fact that it’s not a crime to carry extra gasoline, that, if she used it in her diabolically imaginary scheme, she might not have enough fuel to make a getaway… decisions decisions,… none of which are necessary to show the prosecutor is pissing up, Travis’s rope, that he cut into long enough pieces, to tie hinself up. Wht hasn’t forensics, tweezered apart the duct tape, to see whose fingerprints taped him up ? Nobody ever peeled duct tape, off a roll, without a firm grip, on the sticky side, and there are ways, such as Super Glue vapor, to, reveal, that… Edgrrr… So, hop to it, and, hopefully, reveal, proof of other people, in the room…

       • Such pandering to this reptillian, excuse for justice; prefacing, every concern, with the delusion, that she is guilty, to begin with, when forensics, proves she never fired a gun… Let’s get past the lieyer biases, and get past the dazzle them with dialogue, or, if that doesn’t work, baffle them with bullshit… No ashes, proves that she never torched the house, so, why even speculate around, what has already been proven, otherwise ? Are we going to beat the facts to death, when we should be tarring and feathering these lizards at law…??? Spare us, their crtminalities, commanding the premise for our discussions, going backwards, from, conviction, to something lesser included… because some parasytic, lizard at law, says so…

     • Her family is supporting her, and hoping she gets off. That is what family is for…they stick by you right or wrong.

     • Hi Daniel, I appreciate your comment about Jodi and her family also being victimized by the media. From day 1 Jodi has been treated terribly, and I am very disturbed by any insinuation that anyone “brought this on themselves.” Shit happened, and I think most people would, if they could, use a time machine to make sure this entire situation never happened.

   • I don’t think that it was pre-meditated. The one motive that people keep tossing out is “Jodi was jealous of the Cancun trip” but she apparently knew for years that Travis would see other girls. In my thoughts, if she planned this:

     1) Why stay for 12 hours ahead of time and have sex with Travis?
     2) Why take multiple pictures placing her at the scene?
     3) Why not just shoot him while he was sleeping at leave?
     4) Why leave the camera/handprint/so much blood behind?

     I think it was either a crime of passion or a self-defense killing that went overboard. I am very interested to hear what the defense has uncovered.

     • I think she went there with the intent on killing him IF he made it clear, again, he would not be with her in a public way.

       I don’t think she had the guts to kill him until “it was over” – meaning their day, their sex, their nasty pics – she came and gave him all of that – and he just said “hey, thanks for stopping by – gotta shower up now and get onto my conference call – don’t let the door kick you in the ass on the way out”

       I don’t think she intended on him leaving the shower – leaving the bathroom. Travis’ fight or flight kicked in – he got out of the bathroom – blood everywhere. She got him back in – looks around – realizes its a mess she can’t possibly clean up – just leaves.

       • But they weren’t officially a couple at that point and hadn’t been for quite some time. She was also on her way to visit another man. I don’t know why she’d pick that day to say “be with me publicly or else.”

         • I don’t either. We do know a couple of things – one, he was leaving on that Cancun trip without her – I know Jodi knew of it for some time – but she was probably HOPING he would take her. Seemed she spent most of their relationship in “hopes” of a lot of things.

           Two, we know that he recently sent her a different kind of “f’k off” than before. He told her he never wanted to see her again – only this time he did it in a way unlike any other – very mean.

       • And also, Travis was 200+ pounds to her 115 or so. You’d think that she’d have to consider that his “flight or fight” would kick in and it may not go in her favor.

         • Oh myyyyy gooooodNNESSSSS…… OK?……. and lv the camera there WITH the memory stick, being a photographer? ??????? So what was her purpose for that? She simply forgot it, she lost it? Nope not going to convince me either.

         • If, she was so diabolical, and, premeditated, she wouldn’t have picked a fight she knew she couldn’t win… not without a gun, she never fired, and gasoline, she never ignited… again, more proof that she didn’t premeditate, anything…

         • And her fight or flight, while essentially kidnapped, as in held down, pinned, to facillitate his, explained, sodomizing interests; as he posted, ..? How could she defend herself while the school wrestler, was fantasizing, what; one, of his wrestling buddies, under him…??? With another five years of illegal incarceration, we might, unearth, every sticky wicket… and, actually do justice, if not for the prosecutor, doing his tapdancing, at law; sleazing his best, to change day into night, lest anybody discover, how simpleminded he is…….if he can just tapdance truths for Jodi, into, lies, for himself… and, get away with it, until the jury wakes up from his coma… Note the exponential, snow ball, turning into an avalanche for your crook D.A. as the log jam of Arias Bias is coming to a screeching halt…with, tons of reasonable doubts, all concealed by these reptillians at law… Edgrrr… Just remember, whose responsibility, it is, to have time to not be too busy to read the internet, concerns about this bogus, soap opera…

       • Nah… If such an uncleanable mess, caused her to leave, why did she do two loads of wash, and, hang around, as if the gunshot, had not summoned the cops…? And, why not, just torch the place ” Couldn’t be that the intruders, told her to get out, with a gun,pointed at her,that made her unable to get the camera…? And, why would she put the camera in the washer, if not, because, Mr. Ballistic, was going nuts, trying to find it, so, Jodi couldn’t use it against his delusional image, of himself… Why else, and, who, actually turned on the washer… Travis, not knowing that was where Jodi, hid the camera…

     • 1) Why stay for 12 hours ahead of time and have sex with Travis?

       Answer: She loved him, wanted him forever. The sex was one LAST ATTEMPT at convincing him to cancel the trip to Cancun with Marie “Mimi” Hall. But Jodi did not realize that giving him sex did NOT make him love her. It made him disrespect her even more, and more likely NOT to want to marry h er.

       2) Why take multiple pictures placing her at the scene?

       Answer: She maybe wanted to keep the photos of his dead bloody body. Or, she wanted him to “pose” so she could get him to face away from her so she could stab him in the back.

       3) Why not just shoot him while he was sleeping at leave?

       Answer: She was PISSED. She wanted to see his face as she killed him. She finally realized she meant nothing to him. She wanted revenge.

       4) Why leave the camera/handprint/so much blood behind?

       Answer: After she killed him her mind was racing. She was in SHOCK. It was all she could do to get out of there. Her brain was not working right by that point. She forget things. Happens alot with murder. People panic, and forget things.

       • So if the camera was used as such a tool for execution (like the gun or the knife) seems that it would have been at the top of her list to take with her and dispose along with the weapons.

         And she didn’t really take any photos of his dead or dying body. There are a handful of poorly aimed/focused pix of a dead or dying TA, but I really don’t think you can assert that she was memorializing the moment with photos.

         • Thank you, G189. The theory about her keeping mementos of his dead body makes no sense to me at all. She didn’t.

           Again, I just don’t see how a few-day trip to Cancun could be the catalyst to premeditated murder. Travis wasn’t moving there with another woman.

       • All very good points. I am not emotionally invested in the outcome of this trial, but the evidence presented thus far doesn’t look good for her. A lot of it, accumulatively seems to point to premeditated murder. The thing I keep thinking will help her is:

         Is there reasonable doubt? If any of these abuse theories create doubt with the jurors then I think it will be hard for them to punish her heavily.

       • Negatori… She could have torched the place with all that premeditated, gasoline, and, diiven away….

         • Driven away… I’ve been at this for 4 1/2 years…. it’s getting old, watching these court jesters, vilify the principles we claim to live by… Edgar…

       • Why take pictures proving she was there… because she wouldn’t, if, she had premeditative thoughts, so, like all the other soap opera socalled facts; each, contain their own, flip side cancellations… so why ask why….??? This soap opera, is like asking the question, “Why, is a crow?” Becaws, that’s why…. less idiotic, than this soap opera… Edgrrr…

     • Those are great questions.

     • Kira,

       I thought I heard testimony (Day 9, 10 or 11) wherein it was said that Travis was going to break up fully with Jodi: fully, all contact, not even their little trysts. That might wind its way to being used as motive.

       I’m sick of the Cancun trip motive myself. That trip and other women were just an ongoing series of things JA was aware of and ‘tolerating’. Not serious enough for a crime of passion. However, if knowing all contact was going to be broken off, and if she perceived this to be really serious this time, he really meant it, that, unlike Cancun, qualifies as a motivator in my mind.

       • MickyD… Just words, until the idol in his pants, wakes up again, and, Jodi’s on call… as if, he was going to break up with anybody, that’d lay down for his ego…

     • The premise that every analysis, has decided she did it, negates any logical analysis, if you must insist that she did it, to, begin with… I say, she didn’t have the strength or, expertise to do it, and, forensics, proves she didn’t fire a gun, so, how did, she do any of it…???

   • One thing at a time; we can add up the score, later. Travis; tragedy, no doubt. All contact with Jodi, was to be broken off; sure, until, he got horny again, and had to demean someone with his flip side; “stalker, whore, slut”… etc.

   • No doubt, premeditated murder, but, premeditated, by Travis, who got ratted out to the bishop, and, like “The God Maker,” [book], Anderson, fornicating his stepdaughter, committed his own eternal soul saving ritual suicide / murder… with the preferred method of ritual killing, as evidenced; heart plunge, ear to ear, sliced throat, blood oath, blood atonement… The evidence, is prima facie, in your face, proof, of religious sacrifice, and, the simpleminded, haphazard, pecking away, to, “prove,” a livid and hysterical woman, did the precision, near decapitation., as if, there are no homosexuals equally as hysterical, who could be blamed, but for, more patriarchal, craziness….. I wouldn’t be surprised if, a boyfriend, needed to be convinced, by, Travis, slitting, his own tires, to head off any other, anticipated, rage, by boyfriend… . It seems rhat Travis, had a death wish, pissing on those who cared about him, and, considering all the hands in the cauldron, this looks like a community, sacrificial gathering… Edgar….

6. Did anyone find out what all the hoopla was about yesterday, and why the day ended so early? I mean, I know there was potentially explosive new evidence. I believe there are a few lawyers who frequent this site, so I will ask and hopefully someone can shed some light. While I am aware there are timelines for introducing and disclosing evidence to the other side, there are times when new evidence comes to light after that time. A great example: the murder weapon. If that was somehow located suddenly, wouldn’t there be parameters for that being introduced that would allow the defense, in this example, time to examine this “new evidence”? I also wonder about calling the ex boyfriend to testify. I do NOT see what he did to assist JA. I found his testimony regarding the gas cans to be some of the most damning in the trial. When you couple gas cans with turning the phone off and going off the grid BEFORE going to meet TA, you can see how some jurors would lien towards premeditated, especially when you factor in a gun of the exact caliber being used. Which brings me to my last question. I have not heard the defense address that. I think it is important to establish where the gun and Knife she used came from and how she came to possess them. If they are weapons of opportunity that were used to defend herself. Not being a hater, just thinking logically, as i expect a jury to. Thoughts???

   • If she didn’t want to be tracked buying gas in Arizona, she could have just paid with cash. And she did tell her ex that she was going there, so she didn’t hide the fact from everyone.

     I don’t live anywhere near that area but others have said that there are stretches where there are no gas stations for long periods of time.

     • There was no need for gas cans – plenty of places to get gas. I’m about a 5 hour drive from Phoenix – I know the highways and the cities in between well. There would never be a need to have 10 gallons of gas. You’d never really go beyond an hour without having the oppty to get gas at a station.

       I think it was “planned” just not very well. Of course we see this all the time – I watch a lot of the ID channel and am amazed at people still pulling these murders and getting caught for the most ridiculous reasons.

       • I think anyone that would have a rental car, going on a long trip, that doesn’t have a gas can or two with them, is a blooming idiot. Why? because one does not know the car in which they are driving and really do not know if the gas gauge is correct or not One also does not know if there could be a small leak in the gasline somewhere.

         • Me too Debbie. Give me a break already with these TWO five gallon gas cans!!!

           Silly. People commenting without even researching WHAT was going on in 2008, what kind of car she was driving, when she obtained the gas cans ie. after a long jaunt from Northern to Southern cali probably have to skip stations because there were out of gas… She realizes, “oh shoot maybe I should get some gas cans in case i am unable to obtain gas?!”.

           The lack of phone calls though, were they when she was traveling to AZ or back from AZ?

     • @Kirk, I understand each component separately, however, as a logical person, which we all assume the jury to be, You have to admit that when you couple these things together, there is a good chance the prosecution can get the jury to believe premeditation. I am still curious if the defense will address the weapons she used in this homicide, and where they came from. If, there is no element of premeditation, and she went there to visit her friend and fool around etc., would she bring weapons multiple weapons with her? Has there ever been an instance previous where she had? If these weapons were not brought with her, where did the come from? These are the things I think the Defense should be focused on. If they stand a chance of getting her acquitted, it is my opinion they should focus on some of the evidence that makes this crime appear premeditated. It is my understanding there is no lesser charge on the table, so ALL the defense has to overcome is premeditation for an acquittal. The Jury can recommend a lesser charge, but it does not mean they will, or that the prosecutor would accept. That is the way it works here in FL, but I could be totally off in AZ, but I am interested in any insight anyone else has.

       • Ah, yes, those pesky weapons. It MUST be addressed.

       • Has the type of knife used been revealed in court? Information such as the length of the blade, type of blade, etc.

         • I don’t think so, Trixels, but I could be wrong. The most I can recall in regards to blade type/length was it should’ve been long (the throat slash was down to his spine, according to the ME) and he also described the cut as jagged. He did say some of that jagged pattern could’ve been due to decomp though. So really…assumptions at best.

       • Yes I blv those do apply in AZ. Martinez has agreed to a lesser charge suggested by the jury in a different death penalty case before.

       • The knife was Travis’s, as were the pices of rope, he obviously intended to use on Jodi, as it surely wasn’t that he’d tie himself up… Gasoline, could have reduced the house to ashes, and, pouring gasoline, does not make noise, like a gunshot. Forensics proves that, neither Travis or Jodi, fired a gun, as alleged, to give Jodi, the edge, over Travis; a school wrestler, fighter, bodybuilder, and, over fifty pounds heavier, fighting for his life. Also, it is posted that Jodi had a gun, which was still in the car, along with the gasoline. As to premeditation, why, then, leave the gun and gasoline in the car; to do what; see if Travis was going to require that she, ask for a time out, so she could go get her gun, and the gasoline ??? The combined blood handprint, contained no gunpowder particulates, proving by the States’ own evidence, that, Jodi, never fired a gun; proving, that she did not overpower, Travis, so, how did she ? She didn’t, and, posted info proves that her gun was of a different caliber. Some one, or others were there, and, premeditation is irrelevant; I intend to empty the nonexistant gold, out of Fort Knox… but, I’ll leave all the tools in the car, so I can’t get caught, and be determined to have premeditated… Premeditation, is only proven as an indication, of, a crime, when it actually, shows as cause of / for, the crime… so, so what, if she bought the gasoline for whatever reason, as it never figured in what it can be proven that she did [not do ], as proven by forensics ??? It is only possible that if she shot, Travis, it would have been, as a last minute mercy killing, for, his suffering… but, that’s no more a fact than the rest of this soap opera… Edgrrr…

   • Ms Melly, You don’t sound like a hater … you made some good points.

     Those gas cans … wow. And asking her x numerous times in order to get them. I wonder why she involved him and didn’t just buy them … with cash. Why not buy gas at a station with cash? Lot of weird stuff.

7. @Mari… I know exactly what you mean. I watch ID everyday and some people get busted for the stupidest things. take this case: Had the camera been disposed of with the gun and knife, it is likely they would not have had enough evidence to get a warrant for DNA and hair samples from JA. Without some probable cause, they can think it is her all they wanted, but they would have had a hard time proving it.

   • Ms Melly..

     Are you absolutely sure about them not having probable cause had the camera NOT been found?

     • I cant be absolutely sure Daniel, but thus far all that I’ve heard was people were saying they thought Jodi could have done this etc, but cannot be certain, since the pics/camera did exist the extent of their probable cause, had they not is uncertain. I know they found DNA and hair, but without a sample for comparison they cannot attribute that to her, nor can they obtain a sample for comparison without her permission, or proving probable cause to a judge. I should amend my statement to say that finding the pictures provided irrefutable evidence of her being the last person to see him alive, and that evidence irrefutably linked her to this crime, well before any DNA analysis. What I really am wondering about the MOST are the weapons. They are the only component of the crime still uncertain. I think the defense reallllyyyy needs to address the weapons and were they came from. Since admitting to self defense has JA ever indicated where the gun came from? Moreover, I am interested if anyone has info on how the law works in AZ. If there are no lesser charges on the table, is it the same in FL in that the Jury can suggest a lesser charge, or Murder 1/burglary or NOTHING. I think that is an important element. If the defense only has to prove this was NOT premeditated than it seems that addressing how she gained access to those weapons is CRITICAL! As far as I know TA had NO 25 registered to him, roommates??, or did JA bring that with her? I think that will be a major issue in deliberations and it is imperative the defense address that with a logically answer. Only my opinion of course.

       • I think both premeditation and non-premeditation (that is, either self-defense or heat of passion) can be argued and that a reasonable person would give full consideration to both possibilities. Because, there is circumstantial evidence supporting both scenarios. Both Mari and Kira, just for instance, likely represent what the jurors are thinking.

         Like many others, I’m still stuck on the gun (the knife can be explained). I’m stuck on the gun because we haven’t yet heard a plausible explanation for it being within Jodi’s reach. Yes, the defense must address this. All their work on showing the sexual and emotional abuse is good, but I don’t think it will amount to much without an explanation for the gun. As Bob wrote in another thread a while back, it would be very different if killed him with a flower pot. Or, just the knife.

         If there was a legal gun in Travis’ house, it would’ve been reported missing.

         • I agree that the defense needs to address the gun because it is the one factor that makes me lean toward crime of passion rather than self-defense. For example, it may have been in her purse and she could’ve fired a shot after the knife killing as a final “eff you” in the heat of the moment. The fact that she carried a gun in the first place isn’t conclusive to me either way – some could view it as premeditation, others could view it as protection during a 3,000 mile trip.

           As we know, all that matters for Jodi in the end is what the jury concludes, so her team needs to be thorough if they want to save her from the DP/LWOP.

         • Is it just me, or would it seem less likely to be premeditated if she had just asked her grandparents if she could borrow their gun? She could have said she wanted to bring it with her on the drive for protection? Then when she got there….she got pissed about something he did or said, lost it, stabbed him, then thought “oh crap!….what if he doesn’t actually die before someone finds him?” ……”oh yeah!, I still have that gun….let me go get that and seal the deal!”

           I would find that more plausible for a crime of passion. But the fact that she stole the gun makes me wonder….

         • one person keeps suggesting the gun was in the car not the house. That Jodi overwrought with what had happened tried to commit suicide. The will to live won out.

         • Kira,

           Very interesting. It’s refreshing to see someone open to both scenarios.

           I had originally viewed the gun shot as a final “eff you” as well.

           I started to consider another possibility after hearing a criminal profiler talk about using truth to inspire your lies–weaving in actual events with the lies–the story is easier to tell, easier to remember and easier for others to believe.

           I didn’t read the ME report (so my theory may be dead before I even begin), but JA had originally said that the two intruders tried to shoot her IN THE HEAD, and the gun JAMMED (something like that). And that’s why she was able to escape death while TA was not.

           So that makes me wonder if JA didn’t shoot him first IN THE HEAD, and during her attempt to fire another round, the gun JAMMED. She then had to switch to the knife sooner than she’d planned. And the throat slash, which was planned (hard to believe that was a self defense move) was actually the final “eff you”.

       • Ms Melly The police did not get a warrant for dna for JA. She voluntarily went in and gave it to them at the same time as a few others did. That was shortly after they found his body.

         • The knifework preceded the final mercy killing [as equal to, an f.u, because, if it was for further punishment, he would have been left to suffer. The sequence, is proven, because, there was no gunpowder, on the wall print, which held both blood types, proving the knifework, first, then, the wall print, also, indicating that the final shot, was also, not from Jodi or, it would have appeared in the combined blood sample, if, she got the blood, from being collapsed to the floor… that, collapse proven by the downward blur, of the photographs… Edgar…

       • the sticky thing is the gun.
         The first degree charge is because of “with burglary”
         Arias: the gun belonged to my grandparents – burglary
         Arias: the gun belonged to travis – not recovered at the house – burglary.

         • Bill,

           My understanding of the burglary charge (although the ones you mention of course would be burglary) is that if JA were committing murder–not ‘committing’ self defense–at that point in time she is no longer legally a guest, no longer welcome in the house.

           And that’s why the defense was arguing against the burglary charge because they are claiming self defense, so being welcomed or not, they feel, should no longer be an issue.

           But prosecution says it’s premeditated, and therefore being unwelcomed applies.

           Here’s something hopefully more succinct:

           Nurmi also questioned the alternative theory of felony murder, meaning that Alexander died while Arias committed burglary. Arias, he said, was a “willing and welcome” guest in Alexander’s home; the two engaged in sex for hours and photographed each other naked.

           Martinez countered that the welcome legally ended when the attack began.

           It will be up to Stephens to split hairs; she took the motion under advisement.

       • Ms. Melly,

         Without the pictures … that’s interesting. It’s my understanding a match would have soon been forthcoming, given that the night of the discovery of his body, numerous friends of TA’s speaking with detectives pointed to none other than JA. I think a judge would have approved that DNA request, or at least finger/palm prints, which would have then more than substantiated a judges request for DNA.

         I think the ‘pictures’ that are going to be most damaging to JA’s case are not the stills, but the video of her during not only interrogations, but also on network program interviews.

         I know that after I say this, you wouldn’t want me on any jury, and I don’t know her and never met her, and I’m not an expert on anything, but before she plead self defense, those tapes had guilt and lies all over them. If I could only use one piece of evidence to convict, watching her on those tapes would have done it for me. I’m sorry to say. (Yes, I’ve been wrong before–please don’t drag me through it, it’s just my opinion, nothing more)

         • I would never drag you through. =) In order for intelligent convo to take place, there must be opposing ideas and views. I agree those interviews are tough to overcome. I am sure I will get some strong opinions for this statement, however, to me, the interviews are especially damning also, because they show how well she can remain composed when being untruthful during questions. I think that may be relevant later, because she will most likely take the stand to substantiate her claims of self defense and it may cause problems with them believing her in the future. I certainly hope that is not the case, but I am not putting what I hope happens in front of logic.

   • Yep. Jodi should have taken his camera with her, instead of just throwing it into the washing machine. She probably thought that the wash cycle would have ruined the camera. She should have done what OJ Simpson did—take the evidence against her WITH HER and dump it somewhere in the deseret between Mesa and Las Veags. Really big desert out there. Dump the knife one place, drive 40 miles, dump the gun, drive another 100 miles, dump the camera. Had she done that, she’d never been arrested. Never. The camera is the thing that did her in.

     • I often wonder if she would have gotten away with it if she hadn’t left the camera there…. She probably kicks herself in the butt every day over that major mistake.

     • Hey Darrick,

       The prosecution would still had cause to charge her. Granted she either volunteered her DNA or they got a warrant to do so. Her DNA was found at the scene, her bloody hand print etc. The prosecution would have had a much harder time pressing charges but eventually they would have got there.

       However, she would have been most likely with murder in the second degree taking off the death penalty. Also, I say basically without these crucial bits of evidence it would come down to a who done it. The defence would be best to go with that and yes she would walk. However, I still think she face the whole motions of a trial.

       • and also, they would have check cellphone details

     • actually her blood and her handprint in both their blood is what did her in.
       I think the photos with the time stamps actually help her.
       1. it seems unbelievable that it was done so quickly
       2. everything seemed calm
       3. it proved the relationship and shut up some of his friends. Those that still believe in Saint Travis will continue to say Jodi lured him and it wasn’t his fault.

     • The “premeditated,” gasoline, could have reduced it all to ashes, so, why didn’t she, considering all that, premeditation ?

8. Could someone tell me how those gas receipts that Martinez produced both showed gas bought from same ARCO gas station with same address in Pasadena within moments apart had 2 different ZIP CODES on them?

   • WOW they did? I never even noticed that!

     • Yes they did and I was shocked that Defense did not object or call attention to it. I was just wondering how it was possible to have same street address and two different zip codes….Bogus receipts?

       • That could be just an error in the cash register. Someone input the wrong info for the zip code when they set it up.

         • True….could be wrong time stamp as well…lol

         • And, the wrong zip code, would have been rejected, pending a correction…

   • Given the following, I assume it’s safe to say there’s no conspiracy, or fake receipts, or even a need for a defense objection:

     The name of the store is Arco
     The addresses are the same
     The store number #5125 is the same
     The three receipts are 4 minutes apart and 8 minutes apart
     The Sale No.’s on the 2nd and 3rd receipts are 8 digits apart: 297541 and 297549

     I think Occam’s Razor applies in this situation. Instead of conspiracy and manufactured receipts, it’s probably likely that a human made an error upon entering the zip code in one of the two “systems” (indoor register system/outdoor automated gas pump system). The outdoor receipt has one zip code the indoor has the other.

     If you notice, the first receipt is one that looks like the kind that is spit out of a gas pump (Pump #2).
     The second and third receipts look different, and look like the kind that are spit out of a register (REGISTER 2/CLERK 2525).

     exhibit 237.001
     June 3, 2008 8:42 PM
     ARCO #5125 3706 E. Foothill Blvd Pasadena, CA 92553
     8.301 gallons PUMP #2

     exhibit 237.012
     June 3, 2008 8:46 PM
     ARCO #5125 3706 E. Foothill Blvd Pasadena, CA 91107
     9.59 gallons REGISTER #2, CLERK 2525
     Sale No. 297541

     exhibit 237.013
     June 3, 2008 8:54:52 PM
     ARCO #5125 3706 E. Foothill Blvd Pasadena, CA 91107
     2.77 gallons REGISTER #2, CLERK 2525
     Sale No. 297549

     I can see the 8.3 gallons going into her car, 9.59 going into the two 5 gallon jugs she got from her x, and then 2.7 going in another gas can she already had. It would take that much to get from Mesa, 800-900 miles north to Winnemucca, NV on June 6th, without leaving a paper trail.

9. I think she “stole” the gun from her grandparents so her and Travis (probably at his request) could play out a rape scene during their planned sex games. I believe this is what Jodie alluded to during her police interview when she told Detective Flores that “Travis didn’t rape me…..he never raped me”. That would reasonably explain away the gun stealing and the gun killing Travis would indeed have been the same caliber, etc. I believe Travis got royally peaved at her for taking all those shower pics, and dropping his camera, that he did in fact become abusive toward her at that moment. The gun and knife were handy, as evidenced by the cut piece of duct tape in the bathroom (assuming it was cut off after their sex games and before showering). I think it was ultimately self-defense, and the weapons were readily available (unfortunately for both of them). I believe this may be an angle the defense will go for – trying to prove his sexual deviancy (i.e. rape fanatasies, etc….). They are planting the seeds to weave in why the gun was there…..hopefully.

   As for her supposedly going to Mesa in secret? HOGWASH! Travis probably told her to come incognito because his roomates were there. And as we know, he couldn’t dare let his mormon circle know about Jodie showing up for sex. This is one thing that really gets under my skin – who the hell has two sets of so-called friends! He was a USER, plain and simple.

   • Travis was NO DIFFERENT from most of my single male Mormon friends.

     • That is just sad and sick.

     • Do a lot of them live double lives?? That’s crazy! So much pressure to be and act a certain way or be shunned by the church….so they put on a facade and then go crazy behind closed doors. too much sexual repression can be a bad thing sometimes.

       • Totally agree about too much sexual repression being a bad thing.

10. If anyone here has ever been abused by a man, they know that your first response is NOT to tell someone. Sometimes even your closest friends. Why? Because you are ashamed! I get so tired of hearing these people on HLN talk about how there was never any signs…no one ever witnessed it. Of course not…that’s the abusers hope! She was never violent before, was able to have normal, healthy relationships with others. It just doesn’t make sense at all that she is some deranged sociopath like the talking heads on TV like to say. Not to mention the last pic of Travis…he looks pissed and then the camera drops.

    • Exactly my thoughts! Good point about Travis looking pissed before the camera drops: completely validates Jodi’s story and that Travis’ mood and temper flared in a split second.

      HLN clowns like the idea that they can play God, read minds, and dictate to everyone else what to think. Their version of events are a house of cards falling down – NOTHING they say, or assume is being verified by the evidence. On the contrary, Jodi’s side of the story is the only one that makes sense and is backed up by what little evidence the defense has to work with.

      • It is no small technicality that, forensics, disproves the premeditation, proving that, Jodi did not fire a gun… non case, closed; all else is impossible… that Olive Oyl, could overpower, Bluto, without, Popeyes’ help. surely, not committing to a life and death struggle, without, the gun, still, in the car; if, she even had one… as / for, with all that premeditation, why would she, not, shoot him first, then, do the rest, and, get gunpowder residue, for the wall…??? Edgar…

    • Wow, I see intensity and sexuality. And being totally unaware he’s 2 minutes away from laying, not standing in that very shower.

      • And people on other sites see fear and a resignation of his impending death. Someone who posted on here even thought that he’d been stabbed already (no way, IMO). It’s interesting how one photograph can elicit so many different reactions and interpretations! And it was just a split second in time.

      • You see intensity and sexuality from a man who has snot running from his nose? I see nothing but anger in that photo. His eyes are dark and piercing, his mouth taut in a straight line.

        • And why no bar of soap, suds, bubbles, etc.???

        • I see uh oh, in that picture, like, that [sodomy attack] was a line he shouldn’t have crossed… I’m dead, was the look… to me… whatwith the fact fhat he committed the cardinal sin, knew it, and, accepted his blood atonement ascension to planet playboy and all those virgin angels, thousands of years old, just waiting for all these perverts, iced, here on planet, evil, for doing what they’re deluded to believe, will reward them, for their quasireligious, heart plunge, ear to ear throat slice, blood atonement to their imaginary afterlife, bed of roses, with thousand year old virgins, to reward them for the sins for/ of which these demented souls think nets them such a reward… Edgrrr…

11. TA AND CHILD PORN
    I dismissed the claim that Travis liked underage girls as a ploy by Jodi to gain sympathy, but I’m coming to the conclusion that that is probably the truth. The Media told us that the Travis letters were “fakes” and we come to find out that THAT too is not the case. I had a Mormon roommate who tried to become a Chaperone at Youth Dances because he wanted to have sex with 13 and 14 year old girls (he was divorced and 33-34 at the time). He was already having sex with LOTS of active Mormon women around 18 to 20-someting. He got five marriage proposals all from women under the age of 25. One of them was 18, and two of them were Returned Missionaries (Mormon women who had been on missions). I tried to turn the guy in, but Mormon bishops told me I was a “LIAR” because “Mormon women would NEVER think about dating, much less marrying, a man who was not worthy”. BULLSHIT!!! Saw it happen all the time….all…the…time. Mormon bishops were SUCH UTTER SELF-RIGHTEOUS FOOLS!!!! Never met such ignorant, superstitious men in my life. TRAVIS was having Jodi dress up like a 12 year old girl, and have anal and oral sex with her. He goes to proxy websites to hide what websites he IS going to. Why? Was he looking at normal porn, or perhaps “child” porn? I guess we’ll never know, unless the computer forensic expert found out. We’ll find out on Monday or Tuesday I guess. I should have been a trial lawyer….I love their hours. Two hour plus lunches. Start work at 10am and go home by 3pm.

    • Hi Darrick Can you answer a question for me? Are you or have you ever been mormon and if so, is it possible that TA slit his own throat due to that blood atonement thing? He was an elder after all. He realized that he would likely never be totally free of Jodi and welcomed her with open arms whether he really wanted to or not. It was the sexual part of him that did it. Maybe he realized this and knew there was only one way he was ever going to properly atone for breaking his law of chastity since he could not stay away from her.

    • only flaw with your story is the proxy servers. Most people would never think that their computer was going to be gone over with a fine tooth comb. if the defence doesn’t know about it then it never happened.

    • Your insights into Mormonism — how they can be just as twisted as any other people — kind of supports my theory. I suspect that Travis, possibly inadvertently, did a real number on Jodi’s mind.

      Like with the warnings about administering psychotherapy and hypnotherapy, you have to be careful about who and how you pull one into a religion. When you add “motivational speaker” to that — plus sex and sex imagery — you are playing with fire… You are creating a very cloudy mental environment.

      Hate to say it, but religions make a lot of people crazy. You see religious leaders on ego-trips, like Jim Jones of Jonestown. You see their loyal, brainwashed followers willing to “drink the Kool-Aid” and die for a nonsensical reason.

      I hope the defense has an expert who delves into this aspect of Travis and Jodi’s relationship. From all accounts, she was a sweet and balanced person until Travis sicked the Mormons on her and began filling her head with all that suited his agenda.

    • Hi Darrick, Just an FYI, because I have many friends that are lawyers. Trust me, most start their days very early and end it very late. (Lots of divorces due to work-a-holic necessity). Being in court is just a very small fraction of their day to day activity. They build their case, depose, research etc…while not in court. And remember most have multiple cases going on at same time.

12. I agree, SJ. I have wondered if TA was molested and that is where some (if not all) of his sexual issues stem from. It is not a far fetched idea, given his initial upbringing. Who knows where his parents left him to get high. Or have we not heard stories of parents trading their kids for sexual use in exchange for drugs? He may have never told anyone out of fear and then as an adult out of embarrassment. I’m not excusing his sick mind and fantasies, but it is something that has crossed my mind. Despite any inconsistencies in Jodi’s story, I believe her when she talks about his dark side.

13. I have a question. When the confession happened how long had Jodi been in Pre trial confinement? Being confined can mess with your mind.

    • I dont think she has confessed to authorities. She just let the lawyers convey its self defense

    • She had been in confinement for more than two years when she changed her story to she did it and it was in self defense Moss Bear. At that time she also asked to speak to someone from the Mesa police but no one answered her request.

      • Has anyone here heard/read Jodi’s actual final confession? The way she states everything finally went down? From when she arrived to the moment she left? I feel like I’ve heard bits and pieces of what she has said from other sources, but I don’t feel like I’ve heard her actual confession. I’ve heard she shows up at 4 am ish, they go to sleep.. They wake up , have sex a few times.. Then he’s in the shower, she drops the camera , he lunges, she kills him. Next thing she is in Utah etc.. Where is the detail to her confession?

        • That is an excellent question WonderingWhy and one that I have no answer to sorry.

          • I was so hoping that someone would post a link to an official court document or somethig close with time line details!!! I wonder if that will ever be available . I do want to say that I had been reading the posts here for many days without ever posting anything myself, but everyone here whether they agree or not, seems to be respectful of one an other. I wanted you all to know I have really “enjoyed” (seems weird to say given the context of this site) your posts and found the banter quite enlightening as it pertains to this case.

          • I am not sure such an animal exists Wonderingwhy. I know that if SJ or CJ or a lot of us had found such a thing it would have been posted at some point.

        • There seems to be no information really on a lot of things. We def need the defense to enlighten us. And why didnt she see her friend and new baby in Pasadena? What was she doing? Lot of missing hours

          • To truly have this be a self defense case, will they not HAVE to provide the final timeline based on Jodi’s confession? Or are we just supposed create a scenario base on the minimal insight to that confession provided so far? Honestly, I don’t believe it would be possible to convince me that it was truly self defense vs. crime of passion without that version of events from beginning to end.

      • I thought that after 2 years she wanted to plead to 2nd degree and take the 25 years but the prosecution refused. At which point she claimed self defense.

      • I think that was a good thing for her then, that they did not answer her request. She should only be telling her story to her lawyers. The police motivation would be to build case against her. Period.

14. Hi SJ, it’s true – the facade that the media built up that Travis Alexander was a virginal, innocent, honest, moral Mormon man corrupted by an evil sorceress has been falling a part at the seams; and this very well may be the final blow to his ill-gotten reputation as Mr Perfect.

    I am not surprised that there’s evidence that he was doing hinky shit on his computer. Travis came to Jodi broken and twisted – but hopefully with these revelations people will not blame her for his depravity anymore. We will probably never know everything Travis was up to – but I’m betting that weird age regressive role play was not the worst of it!

    I’ve noticed HLN clowns are FINALLY backing off slutshaming Jodi – they are realizing that they can’t keep up the charade of parading Travis around like he was the perfect, virginal, pure minded mormon man anymore. Instead, they are trying to pass him off as NORMAL now.

    And I’d like to know why they decide someone as despicable as Travis somehow represents what’s reasonable to expect for all men. I don’t think I’m being unreasonable to repudiate HLN’s version of the “New Normal” for American men. Anyone with half a brain and an ounce of self respect will deduce that trying to pass Travis off like he’s an adequate representation of what manhood is quite insulting.

    The media has screwed up big time, and a lot of people should be calling for these talking heads to take responsibility for their grossly irresponsible and misrepresentative statements. Wiccans, pagans, and Neopagans should be angry with the media for flinging their religion through the mud by implying their beliefs are sinister and result in murders. Women should be angry for the sexist statements slutshaming Jodi for no reason other than to prop up Travis’ public image as a false idol of good character. And shouldn’t Mormons be angry that one of the worst examples of religious leadership is being characterized as normal for their faith? The fact that other mormons came out and DEFENDED him only risks making the rest of the community look like a bunch of tools trying to safe face for one of their own.

    I do not normally ask people to take responsibility for their friends or family member’s behavior. We are all responsible for ourselves, after all. However, since Travis’ family and friends have been SO eager to throw Jodi under the bus and hold her accountable for every horrible thing Travis ever did – I don’t think it’s out of bounds to ask them to step up and explain themselves! I don’t think it’s too much to ask for JVM, NG, and anyone else in the media instrumental in fucking this case up by the numbers to either step up their standards of reporting or step DOWN from their post all together. I won’t hold my breath waiting, but it’s always worth a try.

    • Well said!

      • Thanks!

    • It’s all SO absurd how they all defended him and turns out he’s not the innocent guy portrayed in the media. Also, what really upsets me are those comments about JA slashing his tires, stalking him, emailing one of his GFs when it’s not proven that this was her or him making stuff up about her to his friends since he wanted to act like he wasn’t with her. This man sent her mixed signals. I know JA doesn’t help herself with the different versions of her story but the media is so one sided. Had a boyfriend from JA past testified about JA with an email like that it would’v been all over HLN. But since it puts TA in a negative light you hardly hear about it. It’s disappointing and just shows how you can’t trust the news. You got to see different sources. These news people won’t take responsibility. It’s entertainment for them. I hate how they bring people on like, “oh, this is Lizzy she was friends with Jody when they were five.” WTF? Is she friends with her now? No. Does she talk to her now? No. Then why bring this person on your show to talk about someone they don’t know and haven’t seen in 20+ years? This is so stupid. Hopefully, they will change and take responsibility. I really do hope so.

      • You know what’s ironic – I just had this conversation with my mother today. I had to sit down and explain to her that there is NO evidence that Jodi is a stalker whatsoever! No evidence Jodi was the one who did the tire slashing, no evidence of Jodi anonymous emailing anyone (but Travis was using a proxy – one more indication HE may be the nutjob who did it!), and no evidence that Travis felt in danger enough to start locking the front door to his own house.

        Yes, my mom is watching Nancy Grace’s version of it, and normally does not watch Nancy Grace but has been sucked in by all her sensationalistic madness. That is how compelling and persuasive HLN has become to the average viewer. The fact that people are willing to take Nancy Grace’s word for this case is ample reason for me to keep exposing them for what they really are – an irresponsible clique of biased, petty minded blockheads. These people act like they are above it all and any standard of professionalism – it’s almost humorous that they’re blissfully unaware of how ridiculous they sound on a DAILY basis.

        I agree, anything that tells the truth about TA is either spun to seem positive or ignored all together.

    • Speaking of church elders … I think the BTK Killer was the Church Board President. I’d love to attend that church when I need a boost in spirituality.

    • It really pisses me off how HLN and the other dregs of the “media” have the attitude that:

      Jodi’s naked pictures: SLUT! WHORE!

      Travis’s naked pictures: Just a normal guy!

      I mean, really? These attitudes still exist in 2013?

      • I saw some clips of NG going to “Jodis new home” (the prison Jodi is in) and NG quickly interviewed an inmate there, this lady goes, “Jodi is real nice, she told me she did it in self defense.” NG says, “Oh really, what else did she say?” Inmate says, “She just told me it was self defense and thats why she chopped him up in little pieces and scattered his body parts in the desert.”

        Uhh – did I miss something? I’ve never heard that Travis was chopped up into little pieces.
        Nice interview NG, you never cease to amaze me with your filthy lies and stupid interviews.
        I cant wait for the day you become completely irrelevant.

        • Oh, I saw that–by accident–on YouTube!

          That inmate, the poor woman, was either confused or delusional when she said that Jodi “chopped him up into little pieces.” But, Nancy Grace just ran with it. Grace said something like “… maybe Jodi has more victims we don’t know about …” Ha! Is this actually called journalism? Surely it isn’t. I mean, normal people know this is a joke, no? Help me, I’m Canadian.

          • YES!!! NG did say that; I forgot!!

            I’m sure there are some small brained NG lovers that were yelling at their TV, “YEAH!! She’s a serial killer!!”

            The things NG will say/do just to get her ridiculous face out there.

            I mean really, its pure shit.

        • Hi M, that interview looks totally staged. Remember when she was critiquing Jodi’s defense team for putting Jodi’s pod mate of five years on the witness list? Anyone with a handful of brain cells would know that a character witness is not about the witness themselves, but about testifying to the benefit of the defendant! The lady lives with Jodi for four years – she SHOULD know what she’s talking about!

          Then Nancy Grace has the nerve to interview someone at the prison herself? What a damn hypocrite! Should we pull up the woman’s record and critique HER character flaws?

          Oh, and I just love it when she said “I love your show, my husband tells me about it when he visits!” 🙄

          • I felt sorry for the prison guard, having to humor Nancy’s stupid ass by giving her a tour.

          • Did you see the one where Nancy was interviewing her about the food and how the bread was baked every day and how Jodi gets to drink orange juice? She kept nodding and speaking quietly and condescendingly. It reminded me of yet another “western women are so spoiled” guilt trips. Apparently, as well as being able to drive cars, work shit jobs and breathing air; eating fresh baked bread and drinking orange juice is another luxury taken for granted.

            Nancy hasn’t answered the clue phone yet – the bread is baked every day not for the inmate’s sake but because it’s far cheaper to feed all everyone that way. I want to say something like “Derp de der!” or “duh!” BUT I am trying to be more tactful. lol

          • Nancy Grace is a straight up subjective bitch. can’t watch. don’t watch. she has an agenda of her own & it has nothing to do with truth.

          • MB –
            Dying from your Derp de der post.
            NG can really get me fuming – thanks for making light.
            Its appriciated.

            I really don’t watch NG, but I see clips, she infuriates me sooo quickly.
            I suppose she either wants you to eat it up or hate her?

            Anyway, thanks for the jokes.
            Gotta find light sometimes.

        • M., I believe her (NG-the despicable) point was to show that the women who are defending her in jail are crazy and don’t know the facts of the case. NG was basically laughing at that woman. Every sane person knows Travis was not chopped up into little pieces and scattered into the desert.

          • Daniel –
            Very true, I had forgotten that the defense was/is going to have Jodi’s cell mate on the stand. You make a good point.

            I hate to admit that NG can actually think that far into something; but she is the master of deception I suppose.

            If only that inmate knew…the joke was on her. Thanks NG, you’r so kind!

    • Darn tootin’, MB!

      NG can’t get her facts straight to save her life. In the Casey Anthony trial as well as Jodi’s, I’ve squinted several times at my TV while listening to Nancy — hearing her skew and spew something very obviously wrong.

      As for JVM — the “War on Women” champion — I’m wondering if she’s sold out. I’m shocked that her reporting leaves no daylight for the possibility that Jodi was victimized by Travis long before their fateful night.

      And finally… I am flabbergasted that Lisa Andrew Daidone’s defense testimony is, like, NEVER played on any of the HLN shows. I can barely recall one time when they’ve aired all that BOMBSHELL stuff Lisa wrote about Travis after their first break-up.

      But HLN sure likes to show how the prosecutor led Lisa to try cleaning up the riot act she’d read Travis!

      Sorry, HLN, but you can’t “unspill” this milk. Lisa had a negative experience with Travis; she “laid it out in lavender” in her Dear John letter; and she (admittedly) didn’t even know the half. HLN’s imbalanced coverage aside, I’m sure the WOMEN on the JURY heard Lisa’s email testimony loud and clear.

      • Let’s hope so. Keeping in mind, though, that potential female jurors who had a history of domestic violence were, apparently, not selected. Too much of a chance for sympathy, I suppose.

    • Awesome!

    • MB… Awesome… better than I could have written it… Edgar….

15. I’ve driven through AZ and there are areas that don’t have gas station for hundreds of miles. I understand the gas cans use for JA if this was the purpose and even if it was for another purpose such as if she wanted to hurry up and not stop for gas because she was meeting another man maybe she bought gas to have it ready when she was done with her booty call. I think she made up so many lies to hide TA and her dirty laundry. I listened to TA’s ex girlfriend about the email and it appears to me TA was trying to pressure Lisa so he could have sex/marry her. I think even though JA was “Mormon” she wasn’t in the inner circle of the faith. She seems like she was looking to fit in. Unfortunately, she fell for TA who was a con artist. It amazes me how he would joke about being a virgin and then have sex with JA. AND to top it off she’s the seductress. It’s all so absurd!

    • I’m really having trouble with the idea about distances between gas stations.

      To me, that would mean there are thousands of people traveling around AZ with gas cans in their trunks to make up for the fact that there aren’t enough gas stations. And that in a capitalistic money hungry society, there exists no entrepreneur that is smart enough to spot such a gold mine of consumer need and put up a station where he can thus relieve all these people of needing to carry around gas cans while he sits back and counts his money as he watches thousands of happy customers stopping at his clever oasis.

      As far as time savings … the difference between stopping for gas at a station and stopping for gas you have to pour into your tank from two separate gas cans is probably 10 minutes. I’d like to know what evidence exists that would indicate Jodi’s schedule was so tight that she needed to save such crucial precious seconds.

      The arguments just don’t make sense to me.

      • I was traveling out west once through NM, AZ..i let it get down to 1/4 a tank because I thought there would be plenty and was afraid I would run out of gas before I found another station. Now I can afford a GPS that will tell me where one is. NOW, that was in 2007, so i don’t know about now..but you gotta realize that populations will only support so many gas stations regardless of how much space is between them.

        Just because it doesn’t make sense to YOU doesn’t mean it doesn’t make sense to other people.

        Imagine you have no GPS, your gas tank is small and you know the stations are spaced out a bit.

        If you are from that area and drive something with a large gas tank that would be different.

      • Agreed on your analysis of time saving for gas. There are long stretches with no gas stations in AZ. Like Mscharliechan mentions in her post there isn’t a big population in certain areas so there isn’t a demand for gas stations in certain stretches. I had a coworker once pull over and sleep on a highway between AZ and UT. That just let’s you know how desolate it is out there. You can’t so that on I95 or other more populated areas.

      • You haven’t driven in the desert have you Micky. Try map-questing her travels and they come back and tell me it’s not logical. I took the time to do so and saw that extra gas gans would be prudent AND that the mistake she made getting lost would also be easy to make. Plus, I live in the desert too. Ask a trucker if there isn’t desert without gas stations too. I did.

        Gas cans on long trips are recommended as part of safety when traveling long distances too.

        However, I just think she bought gas and through the receipts away. Its obvious she was scared and covering her tracks. 10 gallons wouldn’t have gotten her the 400 miles between AZ and Utah. Gas was over $4.00 a gallon in June of 2008.

      • MickyD. Someone recently wrote on here (because they live in the area AZ/NV and know the route between Mesa AZand..Winnemucca NV)…there ARE gas (You can also see online that there are gas stations by calculating the cost of your trip (based on ‘local’ gas prices) between Winnemucca NV and Las Vegas. I agree in this day and age if there is an opportunity to make money anywhere in gasoline, someone has figured it out. Because I believe the gas cans are so damning, her defense will need to come up with something though to instill reasonable doubt. So far I haven’t heard anything. But it is still early yet.

        • I wrote that Daniel. How many gas stations do you think there are between Winnemucca and Reno. Just saying. But the concern is that she used them between Phoenix and Salt Lake. Would ten gallons get her to and from calculating the mileage traveled, the cost of gas and the type of car she used by what you are looking at?

          What do you think she used the cans for?

      • MickyD… Great that nothing makes sense, and all issues have their 50 / 50 flip side. That’s called, reasonable doubt…

    • Hi FLNJANG, I totally agree with your post. On the gas cans issue: I remember Jodi mentioning that she easily gets lost, so it would make sense that she keeps gas cans to prevent being stranded.

      I was born and raised on the west coast, which is a LOT less densely populated and one can drive for hours without bumping into civilization. In contrast, the east coast it is so populated it’s almost like a constant adventure in the suburbs.

      So I can understand why east coasters might be confused: typically gas cans are only used for lawnmowers or have them on hand in case someone is running on fumes and is accidentally stranded.

      I don’t understand why the gas cans are so sinister to anyone. If Jodi wanted to burn Travis’ body, wouldn’t she have done exactly that before leaving the house? She didn’t though. And if it’s to get rid of evidence – one doesn’t need ten gallons of gasoline. There’s a lot of flammable substances that are less expensive, more portable, and easier to carry around than bulky gas cans.

      • Great points. If this had been a “Burning Bed”-type scenario, then I can see why the gas cans would look sinister. I know the theory is that she didn’t want to be tracked in Arizona, but didn’t her cell phone ping in Arizona at some point? If she was trying to hide due to premeditating a murder, you’d think that she’d stay off her phone until she was far out of the state.

        • Oooh yeah, and how about the bit where she kept her receipts? If this was such a secretive, nefarious trip to AZ, why didn’t she throw them out? Martinez is really grasping at straws here!

          • If and I mean if I wanted to commit a perfect murder (premeditation) I would have scoured the interent for tips and suggestions on how to carry out such mischief.
            1- No trace of that on her computer
            2- 10 gallons of gas aren’t enough to drive you across state. Maybe they need to look at the miles/gallon of the car engine she rented. I am sure it is a gas guzzler
            3- Keeping the receipts! Why would she do that if she wanted to hide her tracks? And who the hell keeps receips from a gas station ?

            Where is the premeditation?

            This is what I like to call (circumstantial premeditation) = bullshit

          • Lol ANNDDDD…. deposit $ AND MAKE PURCHASES WITH HER CREDIT CARD??!!
            Like you said Roak, (circumstantial premeditation) = BULLSHIT!!!

          • In terms of premeditation, here’s one thing that just may work in Jodi’s favor: having lots of relaxation and sexual fun with Travis beforehand. That suggests that things were going swimmingly for them — no reason to hurt Travis at all, premeditated WHAT?!… but then “something” happened.

            To me, Martinez’s inclusion of “burglary” is ridiculous. The burglary inclusion will probably get this particular murder charge taken off the table by the jury.

          • Hi ROAK and LC, yes the premeditation is very weak in this case. The prosecution’s case that Jodi was a sex obsessed stalker that destroyed Travis for not wanting a committed relationship with her is ridiculous.

            There is NO PROOF that Jodi ever stalked Travis. NO PROOF Jodi premeditated any crime. NO PROOF that Jodi was involved in weird sex games before Travis. NO PROOF that Jodi was a jealous or rageful individual.

            On the other hand, there IS a mountain of evidence that Travis fits the prosecution’s description of Jodi to a T.

          • Good point!

            I agree, the burglary charge is a roflcopter.

        • Didn’t an issue get snivelled about that she did use her cell phone, and, called 555-1212… yet, nobody bothered to explain, that that number is for, long distance, information…???

16. I wonder if the defense is pursuing the best course for Jodi’s case. Proving self-defense seems too steep a climb (thus far). Specifically, I wonder if presenting this as a crime of passion — based on mental abuse and religious factors — would help the jury embrace how this could happened.

    IMO, Jodi’s conversion to Mormonism may have played a huge role in her mental state throughout the relationship. A lot of times, when people get knee-deep in a new religion, it makes them batty. It can wreak “holy” havoc on your mind.

    If the defense had gone this route, they could have had an expert discuss the dangers of religious conversion, and how a religious leader (i.e., Travis) can alter/manipulate one’s state of mind. Combine this with TA being a “motivational guru” who kept sexual secrets, and the jury might realize WTH?! — JA cannot be held 100% responsible for snapping.

    I know that in psychiatry, there’s a code of ethics about the dangers of dealing with a person’s mind. I wonder if any legal cases have recognized that religion and religious leaders can do similar damage.

    • Hi MsCharlieChan, I agree that the religious aspect of this is troublesome. It becomes even moreso that Travis was the one who baptised her. He established himself to her as a religious authority – which adds a more peculiar dimension to an already questionable situation.

      I think you make an excellent point – religious leaders SHOULD be held accountable for their actions. I’m not aware of any legal cases, but I would be fascinated to find out all the same.

17. Has anyone on this website mentioned the Jane Andrews case from the UK? She’s in prison for murdering her lover, though she did not claim self-defense. The parallels between the Andrews trial and Arias’ trial are striking!

    A journalist named Libby brooks wrote an intelligent, sensitive article about how the media became “histrionic” about Jane Andrews, making up motives for the murder and denying Andrews’ claims of severe abuse by her lover–including sexual and emotional. Here is the article in its short version:

    http://m.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/nov/25/jane-andrews-press-abuse

    CJ, Kira, M., LC, Daniel, MB, BeeCee and everyone who’s interested in the connection between abuse and murder, please read this! I will also post the link to the longer article which, of course, explores the case in greater depth.

    • Here is the longer article by Libby Brooks about convicted murderer Jane Andrews:

      http://www.guardian.co.uk/theguardian/2003/aug/30/weekend7.weekend1

      If you don’t have time to read it now, please bookmark it. You won’t regret it!

      • Thank you Pique, I read the entire story with interest. The similarities between that case and this one could be shocking.

      • Thank you for the post Pique. Very interesting read.

        I haven’t really posted much on the abuse aspect. Let’s just say when one grows up with emotional abuse/emotional abnormalities in a home, along with the occasional physical abuse it can take a long time to learn what is normal and stand up for oneself. It can be very hard to draw the line when someone you love is nice sometimes and cruel other times.

      • I’m on it! Thanks Pique:-)

    • Hi Pique, thank you for posting those articles! The similarities are remarkable – right down to how the media and courts painted the worst picture they could about both of these women; and how the experiences they lived through were denied the light of day. Very poignant reading!

      • You’re welcome Debbie, BeeCee and MB. Thank you for reading it!

        And, if you search for her name, all kinds of garbage will come up, from the mainstream and tabloid journalists, who had already decided that she was a gold-digger, and status-hungry manipulator, who killed him out of jealousy and disappointment that he wouldn’t marry her–painting, yes, the worst possible picture. There’s a quotation in the article from a DV expert who says something like, “i’ve never, ever heard of a woman killing a man because he wouldn’t marry her”–that violence like Andrews’ is about blind rage, not sadness or disappointment.

        Yes, BeeCee, it can be so hard to draw the line with an abuser because the abuser is always changing, alternating between Jekyll and Hyde, between loving and hurting–which we see here, with both Andrews and Arias. And we see the porn, the other women, the acting out of sexually-degrading fantasies, and all those tactics that keep the woman feeling extremely uncertain and unstable–a slow disintegration of identity. It goes well beyond “bruises and split lips.” Yet, without proof of those kinds of scars, very few people take the abuse seriously. Or they deny it completely because she’s unworthy. They say it must be untrue, because nobody would return to a man who had sexually assaulted her. Also, as with Travis, Andrews’ lover was greatly admired and respected, because he behaved badly only behind closed doors.

        What I found particularly striking is how Andrews lied and lied after she killed him, acting as if she was worried about him, when there was no way in hell she would not be found out! I mean, this is a smart woman, and her lies were not smart. Andrews said she put no conscious thought into these lies, but carried them out in a kind of fugue-state (the murder itself came back to her only in visual flashes). She also spoke well of her lover, the way Arias did, and didn’t mention the way he treated her until much, much later. The profound shame and confusion, and the mind pulling away from the awful reality–this made me think of Jodi and her incredible lies, her state of mind after she left Travis’ house.

        Especially poignant was Andrews wanting nothing from the public but the chance to tell her complete story, to correct the media’s lies, and to have their understanding of HOW it happened. I really hope that, no matter the outcome of the trial, Arias gets that same chance.

        • Pique,

          I reread trial testimony where someone at a pro pros site had taken careful notes yesterday and something I didn’t hear before, stood out like a sore thumb. Do you remember how the sister testified that while Jodi was trying to get in the car, Travis intentionally started to drive it?! And that the car was on a ledge because Jodi was or wanted to take pics? Isn’t that odd, mean, etc? And, if he behaved this way in public it’s reasonable to assume he was awful in private. Did you hear that? Did anyone catch that?

          Am wondering why the defense didn’t go into that more.

          That example is that crazy making behavior where the abuser acts in such a way that victim is left feeling confused, scared and mentally off kilter.

          I’m off to read your articles now.

          • I caught that, CJ. And I took note, but I’m glad you brought it up, because on the surface it seems to be such a small thing. Cute and playful teasing. But, I have not seen a single abusive relationship where this kind of cutesy teasing is not played out in public. Not one. And it’s about more than the powerful partner just holding back in public. It is as you say, to make the weaker partner feel crazy and undefended. If she defends herself, the witnesses don’t have enough information, so they see an overly sensitive woman who is being hard on her fun, swell sweetheart. It’s very good for him if she acts nuts in public. So, she’s careful about NOT defending herself, which gives him more and more power. It’s small but, as they say, the devil is in the details …

          • Pique,

            Those articles were excellent! I can’t believe how similar her experience seems to be to Jodi’s!
            When she described the WAY they fought, there was no way should could have made that up while having it ring so true to what happens in those relationships. The fights showed the dynamic we discuss here. It gave me a more clear picture too, of what could have happened that afternoon between Jodi and Travis. Did it you?

          • CJ–yes, Andrews’ story helped me to better imagine what happened that afternoon between Jodi and Travis.

            We’ve already noticed that Jodi volunteered, unprompted, that Travis didn’t rape her. Rape was on her mind. There was some cognitive dissonance going on there, don’t you think? She felt she had been raped, but in fact she had consented. Perhaps even enthusiastically. She probably knew it was the last time–that they both needed to “move on.”

            But the sex was so hateful–I believe that Travis really hated Jodi and blamed her for his sexual compulsions–and so degrading that it dissolved all personal boundaries. It was dangerous, a Pandora’s box. I believe that the sex released a bunch of ugliness and self-loathing–that the abuse and the sneaking around and the lies, perversions, etc. were fully externalized/unmasked. But I also think that they carried on, acting as if it were like any other afternoon romp. I think the tension would’ve been unbearable–to feel the impact of the whole, ugly truth, but not be able to speak it. The smallest trigger would cause it to shatter, explode.

            A certain look from him, a mean word or a sudden movement would do it. In my mind, knowing what I know, I don’t really need to hear that Travis ever raised a hand to her during their relationship. Maybe he did; maybe he didn’t. I do believe that Jodi, like Jane, was fighting for her survival in the sense that Travis’ existence cancelled her existence. Whether he lunged at her or not, or literally threatened her life, I don’t think that Jodi, in that bathroom, felt REAL and a part of the regular world.

          • Yes @CJ — I heard the sister’s story loud and clear.

            Travis clearly demonstrated meanness and aggression toward Jodi on that Grand Canyon trip. For him to drop her off too close to the edge to snap photos? And then to drive off (for a moment) as if he’d leave her stranded? And then go OFF THE CHAIN on her once she’s back in the car? … There are no words, no excuse.

            BTW, I didn’t believe the sister when she said she couldn’t recall Travis’s exact “over the top” words. I suppose that was her way of protecting Travis’s image, at least “a little.”

            But I’m imagining his words were in keeping with the theme of his extremely mean actions… I don’t even want to type the horrible things I imagine he might have said in that car to Jodi.

          • Pique –
            Thank you for the article.
            Its very sad to me, to know that so many people, from so many places, seem to turn their heads when it comes to abuse (mental or physical) because its not out in the open.

            These stories are eerily similar and sady just as Andrew’s wasn’t the last, Its sad to say that I dont think Jodi will be either.

            For some reason, so many people seem to be using the excuse, “Why wouldn’t these women these, if the man was so abusive.” I thankfully, have not endursed this abuse, but I still have the knowledge that women (and men) often times do not leave the abuser. Why is everyone pretending they dont know this, or that its Jodi’s fault for returning?

            This case has become bigger than Jodi herself, and not to take the attention away from a young women who deserves justice, but does this not scare you, that if you were in this situation, everyone would rather point their cruel finger at you instead of standing up and saying, “This women (again, or man) has endured enough abuse! We need to stand beside her (or him) and let those trapped souls of the abused know that they are not alone! That we will not judge them!”

            Its a sad world when I realize that the abused are being judge, that the odds that are already against them or even more evil and heightened by those too good, too above that level of thinking. Is it only poor, uneducated women/men that end up in abusive situations? Absolutely not! Smart, beautiful, intelligent people are used and abused until they begin to disappear, afraid of the judgement, the disbelief that may lay ahead of them.

            Why did Jodi lie? Is that really so confusing? The same reason she lied to herself about Travis. The same reason she lied to others about Travis. Just as Andrews did for her boyfriend for so long. Just because some cant relate, really does not give anyone the excuse to pretend its so hard to understand, so easy to judge.

            So to all my friends and Jodi supporters, lets continue to stand beside Jodi. Because sometimes, thats all a broken spirit needs, someone that will believe in them, not judge them, and will show them the way forward.

          • “Why wouldnt these women leave, if these men were abusive”
            Typo – wish I could edit, always miss it until I’ve posted!

            I’m sure there are more, so please excuse the typos all!

          • CJ –
            I too found that very interesting that he “jokingly” started driving off when Jodi was trying to get into the car.

            I can see how some many think it was a mean joke, but I personally think Travis was pushing her, seeing how far he could publically push her. What’s the worst that coud happen, Jodi blow up and look like a crazy bitch? While Travis sits there pretending it was all a hilarious joke?

            He was controlling her, fucking with her mind, and all while he probably had some sick smirk on his face.

            I could be totally wrong, or overly sensitive, but it just seems like a sick “joke” that he could play on Jodi all while seeming like a charming funny guy.

          • M.–I’m so glad you read the article and saw the striking similarity of their stories. yes, it’s sad that people put so much energy into not believing that this kind of crazy suffering goes on behind closed doors. I mean, it’s quite willful, this effort not to see, not to believe. Is it any wonder, indeed, that victims don’t tell? That lying becomes a way of life? It’s a situation where you’re damned if you do tell and damned if you don’t tell. If it were truly safe to tell, there would be fewer bodies in the morgue.

            And, that’s the other thing: most times, it’s the battered party who ends up dead, not the batterer. But that fact seems to slip by, fade from consciousness, when a woman kills her partner. Because it’s rare, more sensational, more exciting. This tells us something about ourselves: men hurting and killing women, horrified though we are, is such an everyday thing, it’s almost boring. Violent women upset the “natural order” of the world and therefore make for better TV, and inspire a juicier hatred and condemnation.

    • Thank you, Pique! Going to read the articles now!

    • WOW!!! Thank you Pique, its amazing how these two real life events are! Undeliverable but TRUE!!! Its obvious they both went through horrible mental abuse. It explains alot n it goes to show how two totally different people can go though the exact same thing; feelings and abuse and in the end the same results. I feel very sad for Andrews n praying that Jodi’s fate will be different. You know, people should really put themselves in there situation, I know its very hard to do so, but even the thought if a sister a daught; this can haphappen to ANYONE!!

      Thank you again, I appreciate this.

18. You know, I really hate to say this, but I can be vindicative at times and I would laugh my arse off if it is found out that TA had child porn or was watching child porn on his hd. I would really love to see what NG and JVM would have to say to that little goodie.

19. Debbie – I think that there is a good chance we will see something that ties him to child porn or child fanatasies. Whether it be through texts, emails, pics, computer, etc. The defense keeps bringing up the little boys underwear and pigtails.

    I sincerely hope Sky Hughes let’s the cat out of the bag when she testifies……..talk about something being a priceless moment in court!

    • Well Sky did say she knew he had issues but……

      • Chris Hughes has been the most fidgety, antsy and the most hostile witness to testify so far. Notwithstanding his blackmail attempt against Mr X, I think he’s now starting to realize just how much HE stands to lose from his activities to date in flying the flag for TA. No doubt he’s already coaching Sky on what to say when she testifies, and it’s also gonna be difficult for her to back peddle on the comments she already made to Kirk Nurmi about TA’s treatment of Jodi and TA’s child-related issues. Her testimony will be very interesting, as will the future testimonies from Chris Hughes, Gus Searcy and Matt McCartney (if it happens). Whether Mr X gets to testify is another thing entirely. Certain people have a lot to lose here in their ongoing attempts to cover for TA’s abuse & sexual preferences.
        SJ

        • I think Matt Macartney will be testifying because Martinez mentioned his name the other day while speaking with a witness ( I forget which one now but think it may have been Gus or Chris) I remember it was after Darryl Brewer was on the stand so was kind of wondering if Darryl was, in fact, Matt.

          • I remember Darryl being asked if Matt M was present at the house that morning Jodi was there. I heard it again on Insession as well so I know I didn’t confuse things. Martinez said, “isnt it true that Matt M was there???” Darryl said no.

        • Right. You best believe there are many who’re concerned about keeping certain information withheld. From a public relations stand point, this PPL organization is being slightly smudged; the LDS is in even hotter water.

          LDS don’t want the hypocritical secrets of a top, trusted young leader exposed… Personally, I question if there’s really a virgin in this entire cast of LDS characters.

          BTW: We have not forgotten the Boy Scouts’ multi-city “perversion files” scandal, and that there’s an alleged Mormon tie to all of this molestation.

        • SJ. Chris Hughes? If Ever there’s a man I can’t stand, I wish him the Worst, he’s a lying piece of dirt and so arrogant with it. I think I speak for everyone here!

          And the mormon religion? It has a LOT to answer for. Can’t someone ban it?

      • Debbie,

        Did you know the court minutes report that Skye had hold of Travis’ diary and had to be ORDERED to turn it over?? I’m more convinced than ever that the the letters were shown as authentic but ruled as hearsay because there were no originals.

        • No I was not aware of that CJ . Do you think she may have ripped out pages?

    • Something interesting is going to come out this week for sure, otherwise Martinez wouldn’t have been flipping out at the closed hearing last week!

20. Excerpts from Deanna Reid’s eulogy of Travis Alexander:
    “He was on the wrestling team and loved to practice his wrestling moves on his sisters. He would also flex his muscles whenever an opportunity presented itself or even when it didn’t!”

    “He loved to be social and date and made special efforts to be friends with everyone.” (in other words he was a big flirt)

    “Traveling was important to Travis. Among the many personal development and spiritual books he had in his impressive library, he had a book called 1000 Places To See Before You Die and was working towards that goal. He recently went to Nauvoo to explore some LDS church history and had the opportunity to visit some other sites along the way.” *note : no mention that Jodi was with him on those trips*(but there are pictures that prove she was)

    The entire eulogy can be seen here : https://docs.google.com/document/d/1yHaWXJhOOo4OR0bSi__ObbzdQiD8mmdWTOwsUUC3MLg/edit?pli=1

21. I’ve been watching this trial from the beginning and it seems to me that Jodi is not having a fair trial at all, especially with internet feeds and TV specials. Very interesting case, and I love coming to this website, thank you for creating it.

    • Veronica, I second that. The poor girl, I want to go through my computer screen and hug her. I have watched every Hearing, too, its all I have thought about.

      Yes, thank you team Jodi for creating this site.

22. I researched more about gas in 2008 and found that there was a gas shortage back then. Pumps didnt have gas in california and mom and pop stations were closing down everywhere. When you look at the receipts it shows she could have filled those tanks up in Pasadena! There is another logical motive for having extra gas.

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/driveon/2012/10/04/los-angeles-california-gas-shortages-5-gas/1613369/

    • Thank you CJ for continuing to look into the gas cans.
      I just don’t feel like they are as big of a deal as some are making them out to be, so its always good to hear your ideas, now if the defense could just help ease those suspicions that Martinez so eagerly presented to the jury that would be great.

      • The gas cans are a big deal, because their existance, trumps, premeditation, because, she could have smoked his house, with him, in it, and, driven away… or, she could have walked out with the camera, and the pictures, and, wiped him out in church, without an iota of risk to herself… period; premeditation, disproven, ; if, there was any to begin with… so, once again, evidence, against, proves to be, evidence, for, Jodi… there, in Wonderland… Edgrrr…

23. i think it’s odd travis computer harddrive was damaged, any theories in how this happened?

    • Yes, I would like to hear more about the damaged computer.

      • jackie it was an external hard drive and some of the main sectors were lost. I would say it was caused by a virus and in fact someone had mentioned a virus and a witness had said they had found no virus on the computer and they did a scan for one. Just because the main comp doesn’t have a virus, the external could have one if something is downloaded straight to the external and bypasses the main comp.

        • But I also think it was physically damaged since defense witness testified to receiving a 2.5″ drive and pieces in a bag. He said those pieces appeared to be the enclosure that the drive had once been housed in. Makes me think that this drive could have been what TA angrily slammed around when they were in the office.

          Just speculating and hopefully we will learn more in the next 4 days!

          • Good point G I forgot about that.

    • Jackie, Sure, because the chain of evidence, is put in the hands of lizards at law… and, God knows, they lie for a living; their lips move…

24. I hav to say I am impressed how everyone on this site has interacted with each other.

25. I can say first hand I have been in relationships where I have felt used and in my mind wished harm on my boyfriend etc. I think this is what happened with Jodi. I think she snapped because travis ended it and was not nice about it. Just think how tired he was, she got there at 4am. They had had sex for hours. That is exhausting. He may have ended it as in ” I never want to see you again or talk to you”. Something like that and she was livid. I think the domestic abuse expert may help explain. The big hill to climb is, she had easy access to a gun and knife during any fight they were having. That has to be explained, some how without her taking the stand. (Not sure how) I do not think she should take the stand. The jurors can ask questions. It will be a very bad move. She will need to roll the dice. I do not think she will get death. Probably life without parole. Just my opinion. The only person that knows what really happened is Jody.

    • Not, entirely… Consider the quasireligious, heart plunge, ear to ear, sliced throat, eternal soul saving, blood oath, murder / suicide, doctrine and, covenant, and, the strength to nearly decapitate someone. Impossible, for a little girl to do… Soap opera,, notwithstanding, he’d be begging just as soon as he got horny, again… did he not whine, “I’m just a dildo, with a heart, to you ?” Does that sound like, she wasn’t large and in charge…??? Why would she have such, immediate access, to a knife, and a gun…??? Who’s going to pick a fight, daring that they be knifed or shot…???

26. Beyonce just won the superbowl! LOL She is one awesome performer!

    • Lol did she fake it this time???

      • Nope. She put that rumor that she cant sing to rest.

27. I think she is guilty of murder by crime of passion. Travis is guilty of using her for sex and she knew it but hoped this would change. That he was interested in another women and that he had no interest in her as a girlfriend. After spending hours lovemaking and taking photos he made a cruel comment about her being only a booty call. He made her feel worthless and treated her poorly. I do not like Travis but he did not deserve to die due to the fact he was a cad… a polite way of putting it.

    Could the camera could been on a strap that was around her neck? It could have pressed on something taking photos as she moved the body.

    When the Prosecution put up the photos of Travis in the shower she turned her head away but stole many looks. I think she is still in love or obsessed with him.

    Gas cans … why not get them this is a long trip and you do not want to run out of gas
    Gun inside of the house… security for the gun – why would you leave it in the car you may get broken into.

    IMHO it was NOT self defense crime of passion I do not think it was premeditated. Why was there no damage on her body? How can she overpower a man this size?

28. JODI ARIAS DYED HER HAIR IN APRIL/2008

    Abe Abdelhadi appeared on Dr Drew’s show 01/16/2013 . This is what he said:

    ” The PROSECUTOR had informed me that she DYED her hair in APRIL of that year. That’s when she dyed her hair”.

    Read the whole transcript:
    http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1301/16/ddhln.o1.html

    • Hmmm…I gets page not found.

      • Here’s the working link: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1301/16/ddhln.01.html
        SJ

        Quote:

        ABDELHADI: Absolutely. Absolutely. There`s no way she didn`t do it. It was premeditated. You don`t go 15 hours from Yreka to Mesa and then dye your hair in April. One last thing before I go, we are awarded this trip in April of the year we win it. So, it`s in June that we go. But in April we`re told.
        Now, the prosecutor had informed me that she dyed her hair in April of that year. So, she was planning this as soon as — and I`m just speculating at this point that Travis told her she wasn`t going on the trip.

        PINSKY: That`s when she —

        ABDELHADI: That`s when she dyed her hair.

        • Abe is a douchebag. And he says Gus wants attention??? Projecting much???

          Did the prosecution mention that she dyed her hair in April? I think they let everyone believe it was done on her trip…the brainless masses who want Jodi in the electric chair have been creating all kinds of stories about how and when she dyed her hair while driving to Travis’. LOLOLOLOL!!!

          • So wait…she dyed her hair in April because she was planning a murder in June? I think Abe is reaching juuuuuuuuuust a bit!

          • Yep, the prosecutor wants everyone to believe that Jodi dyed her hair on the trip, after meeting the car rental guy (who said that her hair was blond).

    • Will.

      Hmm.. and you are going by what…. the Prosecutor said?

      Now I’ve heard it all :/

29. And, now, it is claimed that she has admitted, what, to a jury ? That, she has to beg forgiveness, from the jury, in order to escape the executioner ? Are we to believe, this story, while disbelieving, all the other stories ? From Alice in Wonderland; punishment, first; trial, next; facts next, and arrest, last… this soap opera, has been scammed, from proof to fiction, that the states’ own forensics proves she didn’t do it… Much more can be gleaned from the internet controversy. That, is the reasonable doubt, concealed from the jury… Read “The God Makers,” book, for the Anderson / Alexander, eternal soul saving blood oath, blood atonement, then, try to be convinced that she did it… Didn’t she “admit,” that she shot him twice; where’s the other bullet…???

30. Jodi Arias is not guilty by reason of temporary insanity/ crime of passion.

    • SuseeJ, that is exactly right, thank you, my feelings exactly.

31. And I am just thinking out loud here, after reading all this and that concerning the trial and Jodi’s confession, and how many different stories she told. Could there have been the another woman? Let’s say Jodi drops by, has sex with TA, then while TA is in the shower, another woman (whom he has really done an emotional & mentally abusive number on) stops by, is shocked to find Jodi, then goes Postal??? And freaks Jodi out so bad to the point she confesses to murdering TA because the other woman really put the fear into her? And made Jodi help her move the body etc. I’m just thinking because this case is really not adding up especially the body weight ratio, Jodi was small compared to TA.

    • Elizabeth, you would be amazed at what strength a person has when they need it.

      My ex brother-in-law lifted a large van off of a man who was trapped underneath it, all by himself–because he had to.

32. My thoughts on a few things:

    How could he have tied her to a sleigh bed that has a headboard which is basically a long slab of wood…using curtain fabric tiebacks? Do people realize just how “not very long” tiebacks are? I can’t even picture these reaching the side posts of the bed that connect to the base of the headboard. But of course this is where they will say the knife came into play.

    Secondly – do we know if he ever got so angry at her when she totalled his car in the towing incident? But he lunges at her in the midst of seeing his camera fall, which she then in turns has time to what, duck from the lunge, go into her purse or knapsack and get the gun? Or did she have the gun on the sink as she was taking pictures of him and happened to have it right there so she was prepared for self-defense? I cannot see how this was self-defense when you bring a gun?

    No remorse – goes straight to Utah to hang out with new romantic prospect and makes out with him, gets a little frisky and doesn’t seem at all like a nervous person.

    Any chance on someone doing the deed with her? In her elaborate second interrogation story – she tells of there being a man and woman there who killed Travis. Could there have been elements of truth wrapped up in that story – a man and her being the woman in the scenario? Someone high in Pre-Paid Legal that wanted Travis done with, someone Jodi was possibly sleeping with on the sly – she plans to have said man meet her there…she gets him to take pictures in the shower, vulnerable time…enters man, shoots him, Jody proceeds with the stabbing portion.

    • Cathy, by your wording it seems as if you are actually not on Team Jodi.

      Some of us here DO think she was in shock and would not call it lack of remorse when she was with Ryan. Have you ever been in a traumatic situation, have you ever been abused and compartmentalized a traumatic situation?

      Apparently it came up that he threw a phone as a result of his car getting ruined…have you watched the trial videos? They are located on this site for your convenience. I believe it was testimony from Lisa, whom he was trying to fool around with while he was still having sex with Jodi, all the while telling Lisa that Jodi was a stalker, which in fact she wasn’t.

      I wouldn’t call the second story “elaborate” either. Some of us do think it was closer to the truth, but not the same direction that you have taken it. Did you happen to notice she looked scared and was crying and nervous, or did you just miss that aspect since you might be, I’m guessing, thinking she is a psychopath? I believe there is a link on youtube with the video, also for your viewing pleasure.

      • Cathy, let me ask you this: do you think it normal behaviour to give a woman such abuse? He made her do the most appalling things, he assaulted her, broke her finger, sodomised her, laughed at her family–he treated her like a piece of DIRT, there to degrade and humiliate her as and when he decided, and if you think this is right you are on the wrong site and have No place on here.

        There shouldn’t be a dry eye Anywhere, I was so shocked I realised my mouth had dropped open and it stayed like it, amongst the tears. I was horrified.

    • Hi Cathy Some questions for you please?
      1) Who ever said that curtain tiebacks were used to tie Jodi to the bed with? Can you give a link please because I am unaware of anything like that and have watched the entire trial plus read all the evidence I can find.
      2) Where is the proof that Jodi had a gun or brought a gun with her? There is proof that she did indeed purchase a gun after TA died. It was a 9 mm handgun, however there is no proof that she ever owned or had a .25 caliber handgun at any time.

33. After watching the trial Hearing tonight its left me in tears. Travis is an animal. There surely shouldn’t be Anyone who isn’t upset and touched by what they heard tonight, and his sister? I wanted to leap right through my computer screen and wipe that smirk right off her face, how dare she smirk and roll her eyes when Jodi told of all the vile things he made her do.
    And the prosecutor, damn that man,
    I thought the defense was marvellous, how he kept his composure when that Martinez kept objecting, I shall never know.
    I would LOVE to have Jodi as a guest in my home and spoil her, its nothing less than she deserves, she’s been driven past, way past the level of human endurance.
    Give her a HUG, in fact give her loads of hugs from me.

    Heather

34. Does anybody know anything about Travis being on probation in the past and if it has anything to do with illegal pedophile type activity? I would not think he would allow information like that to be on his Facebook page but there are some references to it that might just be jokes but maybe not.

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