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With the trial not resuming again until Wednesday, check out the info & links below covering the most commented on elements of the trial.
At the time of writing, this site is currently in the Top 23,000 of websites most visited in the US (according to Alexa) – which just goes to show that the tide is turning in Jodi’s favor and positive momentum is building.
Remember… WE ARE TEAM JODI – AND WE WILL BE VICTORIOUS.
Never doubt it.
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TA’s Criminal Record Report:
Click here to access the page from the Riverside Superior Court website – then click the RIM418038 link in the Case Number box at the bottom of the screen.
Certain people are stating it was a case of “mistaken identity” and the record was subsequently “erased” within the hour… however it is still accessible. Interesting to say the least.
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The Shoe Impression:
We are still no wiser – and maybe we never will be.
Here’s the shoe impression pic again (from a tile just inside the bathroom). It was taken from a screenshot when the picture was shown in court during Heather Conner’s testimony:
I’d still say that shoe print belonged to Zach Billings, and he “discovered” TA in the bathroom several days PRIOR to the big find on June 9th… which would explain how he managed to “miss” all the signs something was not right, including (but not limited to) the decomp stench for those full 5 days.
As far as I recall, Zach Billings was the only guy with access to all the keys. He was also the guy that let everyone in to the bedroom after unlocking the door on 6/9.
Maybe law enforcement did match it up to someone (obviously not Jodi/TA or they would have said) – but they decided against stating WHO the shoe print belonged to in case it upset their apple cart and opened an even bigger can of worms (?)
Not yet seen The Flores Report? Click here to read it.
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The State’s Ongoing Failure:
Following on from Thursday, it would appear Martinez’ whole case is now resting on a Walmart receipt and a gas can. We’ve been here before… yes or no? right? Sure we have.
Click here to read the recent article by Vladimir Gagic (“Jodi Arias: Has the Government proven Murder One?”) — then click here to listen to the radio show discussing the state’s failure from Friday 3/8.
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Juror Questions:
Click these links for a list of Wednesday’s and Thursday’s juror questions for Jodi… all 200+ of them.
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“The Knife”:
Put basically… if the knife was put in the dishwasher as Jodi stated, and it also came from a knife block in TA’s kitchen, that would mean she did not bring the knife with her.
Here are some crime scene pics & placards which back that up. Exhibits #67 & #68.
Does anyone recall these pictures being shown during the trial?
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what’s up with the proverbial talking heads having Jodi convicted? yea.. it’s a rhetorical question, but when will Prosecutors and P.D. investigations be held to the highest of standards? it’s long overdue. why does the jury get to ask questions? is AZ a different ‘Country’, like TX or something? c’mon mann…
I think investigations should be taken away from the police department where the crime occurs and I think a major crime scene should be preserved so the defendant can have it examined…even though I realize that in some crimes this isn’t possible due to the length of time to find the alleged perpetrator.
And also all of the evidence goes to state run crime labs, ME is paid by the state, it’s all run by the government. The defendant is allowed to have independant testing done by a lab of their choosing, but only if they have the money to pay for it and this is very expensive. Why do you think people with money go to jail less often than poor people. Also there was a big scandal in the 1990’s about the FBI’ s crime lab where is was shown evidence was contaminated, manipulated to fit LE theories and out and out incompetence of the employees. John F. Kelly & Phillip K. Wearne’s 1998 book “Tainting EvidenceTainting Evidence: Inside the Scandals at the FBI Crime Lab”
Thanks for the book suggestion!
HAVE SEEN YOU HERE A LOT I’ve been interested in this for week and read all the post here its nice here the other sites are curle if you try to say something nice about jodi. I’ve been up all nite reading the police report and if you think like JM does on cross examination of here you might want to take a look see ….
1. Zac
2. enrique If you read there statements something is wrong go back and
3 Dustan thompston forth from zac to enrique and dustan to ashley.
4. ashley so far I’ve read 12 people that all bash her to hell trying to put her to
her to death to what to shut her up.????
Going to back to the site of the police report and read more sorry for any miss spelling her I’m tried and been up all day yesterday and it 11:44 in tx now tired but dont want to give up may find something else. would explain it to you here but here are so many word to type and you can not copy and past from the police report.
Thank you JC team jodi admin
just does not compute roomates change the dates do not match other then you have dustin and ashley different response there too. all say same thing about jody story straight there to see what I’m seeing you need to nic pick it to death. report begins with mimi moves to zac then move on to other room mate then keep reading how ashley calls in hangs up her husband says he new on the 6/9 about the death went to his house but the beginning he is not mentioned being with the 6 that were already at the house they did not get a statement till wife call and hung up. found her thru her cell #
VERY INTERESTING COULD BE MORE TO THIS THAN MEETS THE EYE. IS JODI COVERING UP FOR SOME ONE COMING TO HELP HER OR WAS THERE A JEALOUS HUSBAND THERE SHE DID SAY INTRUDERS. I CAN GO ON AND ON ITS TIME FOR SOME ONE ELSE TO SEE THE BIGGER PICTURE HERE. I SEE IT BECAUSE I’VE BEEN UP FOR TWO DAY READING THE POLICE FLORES REPORT LINK ABOVE THE CALENDAR.
Here in NC where I live there is also a huge scandal with the SBI. See here:
http://www.americanbar.org/content/dam/aba/publications/criminal_justice_magazine/sp12_sci_evidence.authcheckdam.pdf
BeeCee
That is in fact what they do in the UK. Scotland yard does all major crime scene investigations regardless of the jurisdiction and defense attorneys and in fact the jury is allowed to canvass the crime scene.
That sounds like a fair setup.
the other team member just mention that jodi and the 4 guys on the camping trip she bought a gun and would use it if things got out of hand they think it is motive that she will kill again
time in tx 11:14 pm
just watch nancy grace doc on utube where her lawyer has paperwork signed by her lawyer for second degree murger and nancy chews out the two lawyers saying that if the jury hears about this the case is thrown out ?????????????????
nancy may be spending her last dayz on her show…people are starting to not like her…lol..just a prediction.
been up all nite reading police report and have questions about zac’s statement say read paragraph Last time seeing travis was thur morn the par that is highlited
second par spent all day with girlfriend, Other roommate remembers the furnature out of place the doggie barricade vac out but zac does not mention it. you need you really look close something stinks here. Now read enrique testamony . also something out of sorts with testonay with dustan thompson and ashley thompson.
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ESCUSE THE MISSPELLING IM TIRED BEEN UP ALL YESTERDAY AND ALL NITE AND IT 11;24 AM IN TEX. GOING BACK TO READ MORE….. GOOD LUCK WITH THIS IT COULD BE HELPFULL
That’s great, I have a question. Someone who seems to know LOL on the State site has said court is now going to be on Tuesday, that late Thursday it was changed, not sure where she saw this, or if this is true.
Not sure, but I thought the reason for no court on Tues, was because of juror appts.
I just checked the court calendar for Superior Court….nothing showing for State vs Jodi until Wed the 14th.
Maybe just not updated yet. I can check again on Monday.
Thank-you
Some morning musing on this arrest/ stolen identity thing. Looks like the phantom person was put on probation for 3 years. If you are on probation, don’t you have to check in at certain times with a probation officer, like once a month. It looks like the probation was done, if it wasn’t would be a warrant for arrest and then additional jail time for probation violation. So who showed up for probation check ins? Wouldn’t be the real person if they didn’t know about it, and why would the phantom person show up for probation check ins, no one would be looking for him. Also this author Shanna Hogan, why would she devote an entire chapter in her book about it if the record was expunged? No one would find expunged records, so why mention it. Also when did she meet the Alexander family? She has a direct quote from Travis. How did she talk to him and are her sources, which she doesn’t name, TA’s friends and family. And the strange and bizarre continues.
TB says:
March 10, 2013 at 8:49 am
Ps. Also people who work for Legal Shield have to buy one of their plans before they can sell anything, one of their rules. Legal Shield, (ppl) also sells identity theft protection. We can see how well they monitored TA’s identity.
TB, I was thinking the same thing. Record expunged – shouldn’t be found. How does a record get expunged in ONE HOUR! That’s not even possible!! I also questioned the “quote” from Travis. What did she do, interview him from the grave?
ALSO – wasn’t it stated somewhere (maybe by Jodi or others) that Travis was going back and forth to California? If so, I’m sure that was to satisfy his probation.
FURTHER, many members of Travis’ family have had problems with the law in some form or another. I looked up all their names (need middle initials for Steve and Michael to find more info on them) on the Riverside County Sheriff site.
His brother, Gary was busted for making a meth lab, his dad was busted for failing to provide for his family (interesting nothing about the cops coming to his house about fight with the mother), and Tanisha was in lawsuits for getting evicted from a rental property.
I think Shanna Hogan has to have this “lily white” image of Travis to sell her book and demonize Jodi.
One other thing that bothered me. IF it was in fact Travis’ ID stolen, this person would have had to be a “dead ringer” for Travis for the police to accept that ID from the supposed perpetrator.
Exactly. I’m sure TA had a drivers license in 2002 at the age of 24-25? That license would have had a photo attached, police have access to DMV records to verify driver identification, don’t they?
Yes. It is HIGHLY unlikely to get very far when someone tries to use another person’s ID when a crime is committed.
Sometimes it might actually take a day or two with the person in jail, but that is usually if they look alike.
I do not for one minute believe someone made it through conviction and probation using his identity.
Here is something else. He was arrested and booked. THEY have to have fingerprints on file from the booking.
Further, there must be some record of Travis’ fingerprints from the crime scene to eliminate him out of the fingerprints found.
I am amazed that the people on the hater’s sites would just believe this without any critical thinking. (rolling eyes)
Sheep are easily lead, and there are always more sheep than shepherds…. =o)
The person I knew had to be arrested, arraigned and it wasn’t until a pretrial conference that his name was cleared using mug shots prints etc! Are we to believe travis or a lawyer merely called and said oh by the way, its not him and viola it’s over? A person can’t just say it wasn’t me LOL
I don’t believe this either. The person I knew, let’s call him ted. ted’s brother john was arrested for a felony. He didn’t have his id. he had warrants too so john, decided to use ted’s info ie. name and DOB. John was arrested as Ted and bailed out as Ted ( Ted had no idea.) john absconds to another state.
A year later, Ted is pulled over for a routine traffic stop and arrested for a failure to appear on the charges his brother John had incurred. He was bailed out again. (nobody caught the mistaken identity or listened to him when he said he was innocent naturally.)
After the arraignment ( it never should have gotten that far but LE isn’t that bright and prosecutors don’t care) he shows up for a pre-trial hearing and tells the sad tale to his public defender. He pulls up the original mugshot and fingerprints. he was cleared but not that day, in fact, he had to show up to court one more time to tell his side and allow his lawyer to submit the evidence proving he was innocent and it was ID theft.
My point is to just show how the ID theft occurred. I’m NOT what happened to my friend happened to Travis. My point was show just how difficult it was to clear his name. In my opinion, Travis would have had to go to court to prove he wasn’t the person who was arrested. It would have been a process worth nothing in a book other than saying, oh PPL called and record expunged in an hour.
The whole story shanna put forth doesn’t pass the common sense test. If there was a closed door hearing, the family knows the real truth and shanna may know too.
So say it is true, wouldn’t it seem reasonable, that when travis name was searched in riverside, the charges would come up showing the real person’s name and travis name as an AKA? And then there would be also be a criminal record on the person who stole the identity too cross referencing travis name? If this were true, wouldn’t the person who stole the identity accrue more charges for passing himself off as someone else for years??
By the way,John in the story above was charged with an additional crime for using his brother’s name in the first place and was expedited back to the state. The state did not take kindly being jerked around like that either.
JC, the cases I have heard of from my law enforcement contacts were also siblings. And, the criminals were not able to keep up the lies for very long, due to fingerprints and photos.
i think we are talking apples and oranges? I’m confused. in the case im talking about someone lied their way into jail without having an id on them. so they booked him on what he gave. he was not in contact with the other brother at all. Im confused. help. I thought I was agreeing with you with my comment?
🙂 I am agreeing with you.
I had some fraud problems a few months ago. I called the sheriff’s office to report it and asked if I would have any problems since they had my DL number and info. He said there was virtually no way they could use my ID and get arrested. Cops have had laptops in their cars for years. When they pull up your info it has EVERYTHING! I just find it really unbelievable that someone could do that. He may have been on unsupervised probation and therefore only had to check-in once in a blue moon and pay a fine. In NC as soon as you pay your fines they cut you loose and you never have to check in. JMO
It might have been easier to get away with using someone else’s name back in the stone age before computers were available for instant ID verification. Police cars have computers in them to quickly access anyone’s records.
trixels,
the only way I saw that work ( someone steal someone’s ID) is that when they were arrested, they didn’t have an ID and gave a fake name. They would arrest that person on that name at face value. But the idea that someone makes it through a 3 year probation as someone else is silly. Oftentimes, probation makes someone get a job so how did that work if that were the case?! Did someone work and live their lives as Travis Alexander for three years? You think a story like that would hit the media but maybe I’m wrong.
I wasn’t arrested with someone LOL I knew the person who had their ID theft used that way.
I agree JC. You can give any name you want when you are arrested and don’t have ID to prove it, but once you get into the jail and get finger printed and your mug shot taken one would think that would be the end of the line. It’s not like the “old” days when all they had to compare prints were finger print cards they had on hand in that station.
I read last night that Travis lost his ID or had it stolen sometime in 2001-2002. Regardless of that once the person that was arrested you would think once they got out of jail they would not have returned to answer for the charges that were pinned to Travis Alexander, and they most certainly would not have paid the fine or reported to probation. Even if he didn’t have to report to his probation officer, once the 3 yrs were up he would have had to make a court appearance.
This entire explanation for the arrest/stolen identity is a bunch of cockamamie bullshit.
His ID was stolen? I wonder if Shanna just doesn’t know how to explain something??? I think that could be significant if true.
Yes but someone had to appear in court in order to get the charges reduced, get sentenced to 5 days, 3 years probation, $515 in fines. Not the real TA if he didn’t know about it until the fine thing came up.
To go on a LDS Mission they finger print you and get other stuff. Make sure you are not a criminal. This info is sent to FBI so you are cleared to be around people and kids etc. So his mission was in late 90’s… Then arrested in 2002, it would match.. My BFF’s son and all her kids did missions. This FBI clearance was done late and he almost didnt get to go.. I am a mormon, I told y’all that already.
True. If it were expunged, it would not exist. There is absolutely NO way this was expunged. Also, there is absolutely no way that someone could serve jail time and a probation of 3 years impersonating someone else. NO possible way.
How do you that if it were expunged, there would be no record? Do you work for the court?
That’s what “expunged” means. No employment with the court necessary…just access to a dictionary.
Expunged doesn’t mean that they destroy all record of something having occurred. For example, they go burn the police report.
Expunged means it not public record whether or not they destoy any records.
In the United States, an expungement can be granted only by a judge; while a pardon can be granted only by the President of the United States for federal offenses, and the state governor, certain other state executive officers, or the State Board of Pardons and Paroles (varies from state to state) for state offenses,
Each jurisdiction whose law allows expungement has its own definitions of expungement proceedings. Generally, expungement is the process to “remove from general review” the records pertaining to a case. In many jurisdictions, however, the records may not completely “disappear” and may still be available to law enforcement, to sentencing judges on subsequent offenses, and to corrections facilities to which the individual may be sentenced on subsequent convictions.
The link is still active. Ergo no expungement.
Also the record would not show a conviction even if it were “not burned up”. The record states a conviction, fees charged AND paid, and 3 years of probation. If it were expunged, but still showed up on this site, by some accident, it would read “dismissed”, not “convicted”.
Right but you would think it would be hidden. A possible employer could pull this up. I thought the whole point of getting things expunged was to keep that from happening. It would be kept private. Trust me a girl in school was arrested every week for vandalism and drugs. She is now a sheriff! Somebody got something hid!
Shanna Hogan’s career as a crime writer will likely go down the toilet if she keeps peddling the HLN and Travis’s friends’ talking points and not look at them with a critical eye.
It seems the more facts that come to light about the true character of Travis and his relationship with Jodi, the more determined she is to continue peddling the discredited and debunked prosecution/HLN narrative.
Here here! Or is it hear hear! Either way, you’re right on the money!
What career as a crime writer?
We do expunctions for people at the law firm I work at here in NC and the process is arduous, oftentimes taking over six months up to a year.
I think She will say anything in orden to keep her clintelle!!
There wasn’t any “stolen identity” thing. This was the murder victim, pure and simple.
It’s pathetic his friends are trying to hide the reality of somebody they didn’t truly know at all.
True, and everyone is running around in denial. The line that Jodi was his dirty little secret really is the biggest truth in all of this. She knew him better than anyone else and look how that ended.
Truer words were never spoken.
“She knew him better than anyone else and look how that ended.”
I believe this is true. She knew him better than anyone. Let’s not forget the sex. To know someone through his/her sexuality–especially when it involves pushing the boundaries and challenging taboos–is to know something essential about that person–something far deeper than the various social masks that we all wear to some degree.
I agree about the denial, but I tend to believe Jodi that he was entranced by her as well. I think that his/their sex life was his dirty little secret, but that he would have been content to rock along toward marriage. I think that she’s telling the truth when she said that she is the one who broke it off and that he spent a great deal of effort trying to woo her back.
Oh, he was entranced by her alright. He had found in her not only an intelligent, attractive and adventurous woman, but one who wouldn’t expose the big lie that was his life.
But, I don’t believe for a minute he wanted to marry her. She tried to break it off, yes, but she tried because he was trying to get rid of her. Trying get rid of her, while, at the same time, wooing her back for “the booty.” She wasn’t a whole person to him, and on some level she knew this. BUT she obscured her own intuition–with a lot of “help” from Travis and ideas from the church–with those “law of attraction” rationalizations. That is emotional/psychological battery in the guise of “wooing.”
Pique –
You couldnt have laid this out any more clearly.
I too agree, he had no intentions of marrying Jodi, as you said, “she wasnt a whole person to him…”
Wonderful post, thank you.
I’m not sure that ANY woman was a whole person to him. After Jodi, he dated someone who was barely out of high school and then berated her for her plans to go to college and become a teacher. How’s that for a healthy supportive partner?
agree.oh and to me, ”healthy” is an adjective that doesnt seem to match TA ‘s personality.
Thanks, M!
joujou–this is true. He certainly wasn’t looking for an equal. Yet, the women he pursued were more than his equal. Hence, the need to bring them down a few notches, at least in his own eyes. With Jodi, the non-virgin, he could use sexual/spiritual manipulations. With the others, whatever was handy: their age, inexperience, learned passiveness, etc. Despite this, they knew he was “off.” But, he would’ve eventually succeeded, I believe, in finding a pretty, virginal Mormon wife.
Wholeheartedly agreed. In my estimation he had what I call Groucho Marx Syndrome- he didn’t want anyone who would have him. And, regardless of what his “revelations” from God told him, Mimi Hall was never going to have him. Which is what made her so enticing to him.
Yes, joujou, and the most dangerous time for an abused woman is when they try to leave and JA was trying. Look at his pattern with women, Lisa said they broke up, got back together, broke up again, got back together, then broke up again. Mimi wanted to break up after several dates, but he was taking her to Cancun. Could be TA’s way to try to change her mind. Women had a hard time leaving him, because he wouldn’t let them.
I think he was setting up, or attempting to, similar patterns with Lisa that he had with Jodi. I’m not as intimately familiar with the sequence as many of the other posters here, so I am happy to stand corrected if appropriate, but I don’t think he started dating Lisa until about the time that Jodi returned to California. Then he proceeded to discourage his 19 year old girlfriend from going to college and becoming a teacher. In contrast, I wouldn’t call what he and BYU grad Mimi had a viable relationship. I doubt the dentist’s daughter, Mimi Hall, had any interest in being an accessory in (to) his Ponzi scheme. It seems she had his number after one cup of cocoa at Barnes & Noble. (His delusions of what God’s plans were for their nuptials notwithstanding)
Actually Jou, he was dating Lisa at the same time as Jodi, and that caused his first break up with her, he began with Mimi just before Jodi left for Cali.
Thanks for the clarification, TB!
not to mention Deanna who stood for ”the other Jodi” in his life…I think that girl was as emotionally used by him as Jodi…
well said TB…
There is supervised probation and unsupervised probation. Which was his? If he was on unsupervised probation, there wouldn’t be a need for him to “check in” or be visited randomly by his P.O.
good point
Also my husband was on an unsupervised probation for 90 days for a trespassing charge, at the end of the 90 days he still had to have his attorney check with the court to make sure it was recorded that the probation was satisified, and then the charges were dropped.
In my state, the only time an attorney needs to check with the court after a client has been on probation is in the event the client received a “deferred prosecution”. Otherwise, when our clients are placed on probation, at the end of the term, it’s over and there’s no need for attorney intervention.
Seeing as his probation period was for three years I’d have to conclude he had to check in at least several times per year. They wouldn’t allow someone sentenced to three years probation go that length of time without checking in a time or two.
Not true. I was given 3 years “unsupervised” probation for a non-charged DUI (suspended IMP), and the Judge knew I was in the process of moving out of state. I never had to check in .
Every state has very different laws, and most states allow judges to give a wide range of rulings based on each case’s uniqueness.
As for the record… with digital technology etc, it is almost impossible to remove all traces of something . And when there are high profile case – documents are very often leaked from police, lawyers etc. Weather it was expunged or not is really irrelevant. What would be MORE telling is.. if it was expunged, was it expunged because he was “wrongly convicted” or for another reason .. such as he showed the court he learned his lesson etc.. An expungment can be granted for a variety of reasons.
Do you know if there was a PROBATION REPORT submitted to the court.
I believe the court would have sent him to the Probation Department to be interviewed by a Probation Officer, then the officer would have submitted his report back to the court.
He could have had an Attorney also in this case.
In California, informal probation does not require a meeting with the probation department at all. You fill out a form, and then never have to see them, or check back when it’s done. As long as you have no further run in with the police, you are good to go.
Personal experience is what I base this on.
The terms of his probation are listed right there in the case report — supervision isn’t one of them. Lots of people are on unsupervised probation, especially for a first offense, as this appears to be.
But has anybody pulled up the actual case? It’s irrelevant to the current trial that several years before he was convicted of shoplifting. It could be relevant to the current case that he was convicted of battery. It depends on what exactly PC M242 says. That’s the statute under which he was charged and convicted.
Considering the sentence was only three years of apparently unsupervised probation, it was probably a minor form of battery, but the charge itself is usually some kind of contact with the intent to cause harm. That’s pretty significant to the defense’s position.
It’s implausible that someone would make it through the court system entirely on someone else’s identity. The arrest, maybe, but there’s not only the original court action in here. There’s also a later warrant issued for failure to appear for a restitution hearing.
But, ok….let’s say it was someone else using his identity…..the failure to appear case is still active. It would have been corrected in the computer to the name of the actual defendant with a note that the real person has used “Travis Alexander” as an alias. One doesn’t get a fake record “expunged.” It would merely be corrected — and, yes, that could easily happen within an hour, but then this record would presumably no longer exist.
I do think it’s possible that this has been deemed inadmissible. We’d really have to know the minutiae of procedural rules in Arizona to know something like that. The first reason that comes to mind is that the circumstances might have been so different from anything involved in this case that it was deemed irrelevant. But the rules of procedure are complicated and there could be a million reasons — that’s what lawyers are for.
But keep in mind that your court record (if you have one) only shows the STATUTES UNDER WHICH YOU WERE CHARGED. It does NOT identify the actual crime you committed. Not that there’s a huge difference between those two things — if you were convicted of DUI, the statute named in your court record isn’t going to pertain to extortion.
In some circumstances, though, it can either exaggerate or minimize the crime, depending on how the statute is abbreviated in court records. For example, in my state, first-degree sexual assault is defined as either forced penetration OR any type sexual contact with a child under 13. However, it’s abbreviated in court records in such a way that every person charged with first-degree sexual assault appears to have penetrated a child under the age of 13. So to the average peruser of court records, anyone charged under that statute looks like a child molester. All of the crimes under that statute are certainly severe — but they’re not all child molestation.
The only way to really answer any of these questions is to pull the actual case file and read PC M242.
I found this on google:
Research Legal Advice;
I am being charged with CA PC M242. If I was to plea guilty, what is the max amount of time I would serve?
This is out of Riverside County with no prior violent charges.
Answer:
On a misdemeanor battery charge, you could be sentenced to up to 6 months in County Jail. While the Riverside County DA’s office aggressively prosecutes these offenses, you should not do the maximum time if convicted, considering you have no prior violent offense convictions.
Consider all possible consequences of a conviction, including the affect of a particular conviction on your future employment prospects, and weigh that against the strength and nature of the evidence before seriously entertaining a guilty/no contest plea. You should do this review with an attorney experienced in handling these types of offenses at the Court in Riv County that your case is out of.
That question ^ above was asked in 2012
Heres another similar:
What kind of sentence is a person charged in california with a PC-242M and a PC242 looking at?
The PC 242 by itself is worth 6 months in the CJ and/or a $2,000 fine. But you also have a probation violation that could be worth a year in the county clink. You need a lawyer.
I was trying to think of a minor and plausible form of battery for illustration purposes: Let’s say a young man gets caught shoplifting. We’ll call him Alex Travisander. Alex gets caught in the act and throws the shoplifted item at the person who caught him.
That would at least plausibly be charged as battery. I have no idea if it would be admissible in this trial or not, but I can see the logic of saying such a circumstance would be irrelevant, showing no propensity towards domestic violence, towards anger episodes, or towards anything else that has come up in testimony.
Googling the statute number isn’t going to answer the question. You’re just pulling vague advice off legal websites. The only way to know what happened is a combination of pulling the court file and reading the actual statute.
Jessie
This was originally a battery with serious bodily injury charge, that was then dropped. Also included were battery on a peace officer and battery on EMS. I suspect they plead this out to the shoplifting charge with 5 days in the cooler.
With the overcrowding in CA jails, I’m not surprised this would happen on a first offense. I think the fact that he got 5 days for a shoplifting offense shows that someone, probably the police officer or EMT demanded that he do some time.
So, Al, have you seen the police report? How do you know these details? If you have the police report, please post it already! Inquiring minds want to know here….
I’m skeptical because (a) dropped charges generally still appear in court records, noted as dismissed, and (b) battery on a peace officer is usually not treated so lightly.
But…hey….if you can produce a court file or police report on the incident, please do so!
“Alex Travisander” LMAO
Actually you do get a “fake record ” or wrongful conviction expunged. That is the legal term for have having the record essentially “erased”
Shanna Hogan asserts his record was expunged.
I want to highlight few things and what I describe as personal conclusions and I trully do not want to hurt feelings:
– Jodi has breasts implant because of her body type (thin and with no or very tinny breats)and the low self esteem. The size of the breasts show the story behind them.
– Jodi agreed to have so much and exclusively anal sex only to please Travis. Some porno stars wont accept this type of sex and they would be paid less. Jodi was not such a person and she did not get pay. In this type of sexual interaction there is nothing romantic. She was seeking that romantic bond.
– Jodi seems to me as going and coming in and out from a coma when she is on stand. I would guess she perceived her life like was taken away by Travis. He was making 90000/yr by ” allow me to allow you to give me your money, and allow me to allow you to watch me how I live your life”. Jodi was allowed to clean up his house and get paid, while he allowed her to give him regular anal bonus because he allowed her to be around. Is it a healthy state of mind?
– Jodi lied before but not everything is a lie. She might throw away few truth that will wrinkle the mormon image and she knows it. This is why, I suspect, she becomes reluctant in pointing the finger.
NEWS FLASH!
TO: ANYONE WHO HAS A CRIMINAL RECORD OF ANY KIND. PROBABLY APPLIES TO TRAFFIC VIOLATIONS, TOO.
GETTING IT “REMOVED” IS EASY – JUST CALL SHANNON HOGAN, CRIME WRITER. CAUSE IF SHE SAYS IT AIN’T SO, IT AIN’T SO!
AND DON’T FORGET TO MENTION PRE-PAID LEGAL WHEN YOU CALL!
* I believe we will all look back on this time and recognize it as the period in history when it was proven that America had completely lost its effin’ mind.
*THAT MUGSHOT OF A TRAVIS IN OHIO….LOOKS LIKE A PICK OF TA’S DAD I SAW ON A HATE SITE.
We’re at 200!
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LOL…I can just see one of those “ambulance chaser” lawyers doing a commercial:
“Have you committed battery or any other crime? Do you want your record expunged within an hour? Call Pre-Paid Legal and theyll connect you with one of our magic attorneys! We have the power to make all charges go away AND convince everyone that someone stole your identity!”
😀
LOL!!!
i’ll bring this over… a post I made last night:
Trixels says:
March 10, 2013 at 5:16 am
One of the services that PPL aka LS offers is protection from Identity Theft.
Expungements in 15 minutes!
For $99.99 you too can have your records removed (but not really) call now 1-800-POP-ROCKS
”call now 1-800-POP-ROCKS”
lmao Trixels!!!
Maggie and Kira, you crack me up!
I won’t be buying Shanna Hogan’s book. She had her mind made up before she started “reporting” on the case.
She actually believes the HLN nonsense that Jodi is a “chameleon.” What a load of b.s.
SHE can’t be trusted with writing an objective account of the case.
what mugshot? Have I missed new info? LOL
Good question!!!
Be sure that if he is smiling it it, then that means that he is an unforgivable sociopath. I know because a psychic who met Travis and Jodi once in he ladies’ room of Red Lobster told me so. And it was confirmed by a body language expert who speaks very loudly so what she says must be true. She also has appeared on Dr. Oz and Anderson Cooper so why her testimony on this is not admissible makes this whole trial totally unfair.
Oh and this psychic is even better than you thought, because when she met TA and JA in the ladies room, JA was at her grandparents in California.
Is this the same body language expert who can “tell what Jodi Arius is saying when she’s not speaking?” (major eye roll here).
The boot/shoe print looks to me like it was stepped in fresh blood, the lines are too defined and it doesn’t look like watery blood either. And the location of it bugs me, because the roommate said he went through the closet. Now I want to find some fresh blood and do some experiments. If the knife was put in the dishwasher, someone must have turned on the dishwasher. Its too clean and no blood was found around the dishwasher. JA did say she had blood on her hands. How did she walk around the house, open the dishwasher, start the laundry and not leave a trail of blood. Also how did she not leave more blood in the car? The seat where she was sitting would have more than just a few drops, and if the car had been as bloody as it should have been, why wouldn’t the person cleaning it suspect something. Too many questions, too much doubt.
And shouldn’t there have been fingerprints everywhere? Where’s that evidence? Maybe it’s somewhere I haven’t seen. Oh, and the handprint had no gun powder residue. Allegedly.
There does seem to be too many odd things about all of this. I watched again NGs interview with the roommate and something just does not ring true about that guy! Seems like the detectives should have pushed all of those body discoverers much harder for information. Maybe its just me, but none of these people coming out of the woodwork to be on TV, seem credible at all.
I went lurking on a hater site for the first time yesterday….WOW, what a bunch blood thirsty kooks! They call names, make threats and then profess to be praying for TA’s family. One discussion was going on about Jodi must be lying about dropping the camera because once she said it bounced and then she said it rolled and how could the camera both bounce AND roll?? Had to be a lie…right? That alone warrants the DP…I mean if she didn’t remember weather the camera bounced or rolled??? There’s your proof of premeditation and lying right there! Sorry, but I just had to get that little bit of sarcasm off my chest.
TB,as you said-and totally agreeing- TOO many questions.Been thinking about the ”trail” of blood too.Her hands were bloody enough to leave a fingerprint on the wall but wouldn’t there have to be others??At least in the bedroom or in the front door or whatever she touched when fleeing the house?you know,that ONE bloody fingerprint sometimes seems so ”conveniently” placed there…
By the way when I read ” Now I want to find some fresh blood and do some experiments.” i was like what??? LOL LOL LOL!!
Posted to Riverside Police Dept. facebook page…
Many folks would love it if Riverside Police Department could comment on the official records from Riverside County that show an arrest record of Travis V. Alexander, Birth date: 7-28-77. Or, if you can direct us to another official resource to aid in further verifying the information, with respect to California public records laws. Thank you. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkqSxfJQfd8
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(Great work tamiturner on the video!)
http://www.change.org/petitions/trial-by-media-is-wrong-stop-the-spin-headline-news-hln-nancy-grace-jane-velez-mitchell-jean-casarez-vinnie-politan-dr-drew
Nice video!
Oh My Gosh Maggie! That video made my hair stand up! It’s so well done, and gets right to the point. I am so thankful that someone did this! And also FINALLY Dave Hall can have a bit of the slander he and his sheeple have been dishing out! Disgusting guy!
The video has been removed from youtube !!
OK, watch this video – a memorial to Travis.
Especially watch the part where he portrays Eddie Snell and takes down someone who doesn’t want to join PPL.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BcbglWopb8&feature=share
Ok. I only got 12 seconds in. They are such good friends they spelled his last name wrong?
I saw that, too. This was posted by his brother. Someone else must have made it?
Sad to say, but I could actually imagine that he could really act that way.
It looks like Tyler Farnsworth made it. I particularly like how he used tons of pics that were taken by Jodi. Just so we’re clear: It was wholly inappropriate for Jodi to send flowers to Travis’s grandmother, attend his memorial, shed a tear, or have the temerity to speak of him, or to anyone who ever me him, but they can use her images at will to memorialize him? Yes or no? RIGHT?
True- If they were all so close, then where were all their photos?
3 questions:why is that Eddie character always wearing a girly wig?
cant his BFFs spell their saint friends name correctly?
and copying Kmiller where were all THEIR photos?
Jeez…what a load of hypocrites…
There are other eddie snell videos, the one I watched was poor commitments, in it he says just hire some spanish women to do your work for you, and then you don’t have to work. even though it was suppose to be a joke, I just felt it was poor taste.
so…pretty much what he did with Jodi,right?
Video shows him right-handed ( someone previously posted he was left-handed.)
4 wounds to left hand, one wound to right thumb.
Kinda makes you wonder what he was using his right hand for at the time…….
The video has been removed from YouTube!!!!
No worries everyone.
We will know very soon whether the arrest record is real or not and whether Travis had his id stolen. There is no way Nurmi would not be allowed to enter in this information if it was in ANYWAY relevant to this case.
This is a Death Penalty case. The judge IS going to allow something like this in if it can be verified through Riverside Cty.
Unless they already had a closed hearing on it and the judge ruled it not admissible….
Tell us the Arizona Rule of Evidence that would allow Travis’ arrest record, if it is truly his, to be admitted at trial.
Are you a lawyer “Charlie”?
Judges RULE on the admissibility of individual pieces of evidence based on parameters set forth in the RULES of evidence of the jurisdiction in which they sit. Maybe this distinction is difficult for you, given that you evidently don’t understand what an expungement does. Can I interest you in a Pre-Paid Legal policy? A religion in which if you give me 10% of all your money and do everything I say I will let you wear my magic underwear? A lovely bridge I have for sale? A new system of justice where we try everything by what the opinion of a few angry ignorant closed minded commentators tell us and abandon the principles of innocent until proven guilty and the right of trial by jury? Awesome. I am so glad that the founding fathers risked everything for you to take a big hot crap on their legacies.
woo hoo JouJouBaby!
LOL who is Eddie Snell, I goggled it but not to much luck, did he make this character up? Somehow I missed this.
I’m guessing, but I think Eddie Snell is the guy that stole TA’s identity and landed him with a criminal record.
SJ
Team Jodi
LOL
You’re too much! LOL
Thanks LOL
Geez, guys. It’s so obvious to me now. Eddie was Travis’s partner in his motivational speaking venture. I’ve been trying to find details on Travis’s endeavors as a motivational speaker ever since the HLN crowd characterized his career as such. Now I get it. Don’t down a guy for so respectfully memorializing his friend. My dearest hope is that someone will love and respect me enough to similarly eulogize me when I am gone.
LOL!!!
Nobody stole his identity Doubt it. First ot would be removed that is still active their seems to be a well orchestrated cover up by Friends of Travis That means that The Group has the Money & Media power stocks etc. Jodi id one person. So whats the cover up Porno Ring Seems CHAD MAKES FILMS what kind of Films if they are reminiscent of his commentary on MY SPACE. This Trial is not about a killing of a woman in a fight with her Boyfriend. This Trial is about something bigger then you and I know.
Travis was involved with something his friends were I smell a Rat. Look Jodi was lying? How about all the Mormon Gals that NEVER EVER HAD SEX, with Travis??? Now the latest is Jodi introduced Travis to SEX this was said by CHAD the one who also spoke about PROBATION LITTLE BOYS and UN CHASTE SUBJECTS. This is big.So Jodi has a Public Defender & she is up against a huge cover up that wants her silenced. Could be very big Because that CRIMINAL RECORD IS THE REAL DEAL!
Hey guys, did amy of you watch the Greta van Susteren interview with Mark Fuhrman that someone posted the link to here?
Something Mark said really got me thinking. Though much maligned, this guy is a seasoned detective. Here’s what he said (and I paraphrase): He said something like “she told you what happened. The intruders shot TA and when they went to shoot Jodi the gun jammed” His argument was that the intruder story was allegoric, she knew what happened and she was weaving a story around the actual facts. That really got me thinking, its possible. I then talked to my father in law a retired police captain. He told me that it was more common than not, that when they talked to suspects they got some version of the real events woven into the story being told. His argument was that there is a sequence of events. The suspect takes that sequence and weaves a tale that shows him to be innocent, but that the essential underlying sequence remains in tact.
So here’s my what if for the day based on the intruder story:
THERE WERE 2 INTRUDERS, 1 MALE, 1 FEMALE:
Allegorically TA and JA
JA WAS KNOCKED DOWN TO THE FLOOR WITH A BLOW TO THE HEAD
That’s TA knocking her down.
TA WAS SHOT
Thats the shot we all know happened first.
THE INTRUDERS TRIED TO SHOOT JODI BUT THE GUN DIDN’T GO OFF.
Here’s my BOMBSHELL——————————-
She tried to commit suicide and the gun didn’t go off.
SHE DOESN’T REMEMBER WHAT THE INTRUDERS DID NEXT
And there’s the fog.
Or as she said on the stand, when TA lunged and knocked her down, he picked up the gun and it jammed?
I think he picked-up the gun and fired at Jodie and it jammed.
See I missed that part. I didn’t know she said he tried to shoot her. That casts everything into a different light. Now he’s actually tried to kill her. This is something way beyond just a body slam. I think I’m not the only one who missed this. Nurmi needs to drive that part home.
I hope like crazy the experts are good and persuasive. So much needs to be explained.
Al, in her intruder story she says the man held the gun to her head and it jammed. On the stand, she was asked what happened to the gun-she said it was knocked out of her hand when TA lunged at her. So that was my speculation on how she came up with male intruder trying to shoot her. Remember she said she didn’t realized she shot him, so in her mind it was truely self defense. sorry I made a typo and left out part of my explanation. Hope this helps to clear it up
Sure does. This then takes it back to the case of what brought about the gun jamming story. Did she recover the gun and try it again to find it jammed, or is it just the over active imaginations of Mark Fuhrman and me.
There was also the part of the intruder story where TA was on all fours. That too would fit into this story.
Yes and it would make sense after the gun was knocked out of her hand when TA lunged, it could jam. Also Mark Furman stated he talked to Dr. Baden and they both concluded the gunshot came first. Since Dr. Baden was the medical examiner and forensic pathologist for New York City, I would believe him.
Also for all the lies she’s told, the sequence has never changed.
Al– I’ve always felt that the intruders tale she told was allegorical in some respects. Moreover, she said it herself, on the stand (can’t remember which trial day), that those two characters must’ve represented herself and Travis.
Your suggestion of a possible murder/suicide scenario, while it would do nothing to help her case, got me thinking ….
I wouldn’t want to take the intruders tale to absurd lengths by interpreting every element in the story as representing an actual fact, but, just for the heck of it, there is this: in her story, not only does the gun jam when the intruders try to shoot her. Afterwards, although she’s a “witness” to a brutal attack on Travis, they let her go, with only warnings and threats. If it was her plan to kill herself on June 4th, then she obviously experienced a failure of nerve to follow through. Allegorically, she let herself “escape” from the situation.
Well, this is just a bunch of speculation but not, I think, TOO far out there.
Pique,
It’s all speculation. But something went on that’s far out there somewhere. There was an intense “battle” over a very short time.
We know she has expressed suicidal thoughts at various stages. It may be more than a failure of nerve. It may have started with a means issue. Let’s say she meant to shoot herself and the gun jammed. Now what. Takes a whole different level to cut one’s own throat (though its been known to happen).
It could also have been a feeling of liberty once the tormentor was gone.
The fact that we can sit here and speculate on all this stuff, and nothing in the evidence shows any of these speculations to be unreasonable is what rases reasonable doubt for the prosecutions story/case.
You’re right, Al. Cutting one’s own throat takes suicide to a new level of violence and pain and overcoming hesitation. Well above and beyond a gunshot which, while violent, is typically very quick. This is why suicides are usually planned to be as smooth as possible.
“it could also have been a feeling of liberty once the tormentor was gone.”
Yes. No matter which way one looks at the case, and at the evidence, it remains that Jodi viewed Travis (consciously or unconsciously) as her tormenter.
Wow, amazing speculation Al & Pique.
As stated, though speculation, none of it is unreasonable.
Thanks for sharing.
What is unreasonable?
That this was premeditated murder.
M
My point in a round about way. If other ideas are reasonable possibilities then there is reasonable doubt that the case the state is presenting is wrong.
I didn’t see the Furhman thing, but I do really respect him. He was particularly instrumental in achieving justice in the Martha Moxley case. Funnily enough, I had the same thought he did about the allegorical thing when I heard a replay of the interview where she said that gun jammed. I really hope that these experts can bring it home.
What Mark Furhman was saying was the Gun didn’t go off so, Jodi stabbed him just watch the Interview Furhman thinks she is guilty as sin, it was Greta who brought up the point that nobody brings 2 weapons to kill someone, that the Gun didn’t go off like in her made up story, and then she stabbed him, but Greta does not believe it was premeditated. Listen carefully to the you tube, Greta had interesting insight unlike the rest of the media she was not as hateful didn’t buy premeditation.. She made sense about the gun shot being first not working to kill him that,s when she used the knife. Furhman NOT pro Jodie at all. But I will tell you the worst is Jane Velez Doctor Drew Nancy Grace, At least NG has more coverage of Jodi on the stand where Dr. Drew is the most hateful because he does it under a guise of a loving Doctor. Nancy Grace is always PRO PROSECUTION so she placates to the hateful angry low class lynch mob. Judge lady on Fox News Gloria Allred the Ambulance chaser the Ugly Prosecutor lady are horrible,Geraldo is a jerk. So far except for a few people, the media has really attacked this woman..
The ONLY commentator I’ve heard with ANY useful insight WHATSOEVER occasionally appears with Vinnie Politan as his counterpoint. His name is Dwane Cates and he’s a Phoenix defense lawyer.
And while Greta is not exactly God’s gift to legal analysis, she certainly has more credibility than any of the usual HLN suspects. I agree that Jodi probably is guilty of 2nd degree murder. She tried to plea to that. If that is what she is convicted of, it will be a huge victory for the defense and a tremendous loss for the prosecution. I predict that that is what the eventual outcome will be. The tragedy of this case (besides the loss of life-however assholic) is that it wasn’t resolved at that point on those terms. Because of the stubborn ego of one small man, and the intransigence of the family, the court has been clogged with this absurd prosecutorial over-reach, and the rest of us subjected to macabre images of a dead man, salacious details of his deviant sex life, and given new meaning to the acronym TMI.
Greta was an attorney and a good one said that nobody shoots a gun it didn’t go off so they say wait hold on let me get a knife whats Travis doing when she goes to get the knife?? She shot first the Knife was not planned or brought there according to Greta she does not see premeditation. At least she is not Hateful.She finds it impossible to believe that Jodi brought 2 weapons with her.
Greta is da Woman!
Joujoubaby
I LOVE THAT TOO MUCH INFORMATION PLEASE!! I thought no wonder when the Judge got sick that time. New Meaning Definitely. LOL!! Made me laugh out loud!!
Great post, agreed.
“assholic”
Now, that’s an excellent non-word!
Thanks, Pique. I sure hope Beth Karas isn’t too offended by its use.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OclLLrEVbA4&feature=share
That’s the link from. Is on youtube.
That is a fascinating, Al!
oops, left out on the stand she said the gun was knocked out of her hand when he lunged.
Has anyone attempted to purchase the non certified copies yet from the Riverside record? It’s only $8 and they email them…but I can’t tell if you have to have certain access or not.
Defendant Name: TRAVIS VICTOR ALEXANDER
Case Number: RIM418038 File Date: 3/11/2002
Action Date: 3/11/2002 Action Time: 1:30 PM Department: 22I
Action Description: Misdemeanor IncustodyArraignment
Defendant Represented By DPD-RICE.
Honorable Commissioner Robert L. Lind Presiding.
Counsel/Parties stipulate the Judge Pro Tem/Commissioner, as indicated above, may hear this matter.
Courtroom Assistant: K. van der Poorten
Defendant Present.
At 3:17, the following proceedings were held:
****Defendant acknowledges the complaint reflects his/her true name and date of birth.****
DefendantArraigned
Advisement of Rights form signed by defendant is incorporated herein and includes the following advisements and waivers:
DefendantAdvised of Constitutional Rights.
Defendant advised of right to trial by jury.
Defendant advised of right to confront and cross examine witnesses; right to present evidence on own behalf.
Defendant advised of privilege against self incrimination.
Defendant advised of charges and consequences of his/her plea and statutory sentencing.
Court finds based on inquiry and examination of deft, that deft has the ability to understand and does understand his/her constitutional
rights.
Court finds defts admission of guilt and/or admission of prior conviction(s) and/or probation violation(s) if any is the result and product
of
the result of defendant expressly, knowingly, understandingly, and intelligently waives his/her constitutional rights including, but not
limited
to: right to counsel, privilege against self-incrimination, to trial by jury, and to confront accusers, and voluntarily made with an
understanding of the nature and consequences thereof. Defendant’s waiver of constitutional rights taken orally and/or in writing.
Defendant Waives Constitutional Rights.
Defendant waives right to jury trial.
Defendant waives right to confront and cross examine witnesses.
Defendant waives privilege against self-incrimination.
Defendant waives his/her right to counsel.
Defendant pleads Guilty to Count(s) 1 2.Defendant Name: TRAVIS VICTOR ALEXANDER
Hi Candie,
Is this a purchased copy from the Riverside Superior Court record?
SJ
Team Jodi
No.
In the Riverside public access report there are buttons that say “Print Minute Order”
Most say that you can’t access it and that you have to pay CA through their site.
the one under:
03/11/2002 1:30 PM DEPT. 22I MISDEMEANOR INCUSTODY ARRAIGNMENT
Opens in a new page and allows you to print
I can’t get it to open on my phone, just the computer. Link is of a snapped pic of my computer screen
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/87886948/Photo%202013-03-11%2010%2050%2000%20AM.jpg
Is there a way to get notifications of replies?
An amusing snip about PPL (from a CBC article):
Prof. Ken Wong teaches at Queen’s University in Kingston, Ontario and runs its MBA program. He says Pre-Paid (Legal Services) targets a certain type of consumer.
“The more educated they were, probably the less likely they would be to buy into the whole concept in the first instance. So you’re really targeting a specific kind of individual who life has treated in a very certain way, and you’re now saying you don’t have to have that way anymore.”
This is sort of like the Burial Insurance that used to be sold in the old days. The premium was kept to about $1 a week and the agent actually collected it in person every payday. These yahoos would walk through a neighborhood and collect a dollar from ever person on the block. They’d do this week after week for years. So in the 50s these guys would make a 1000 or more dollars a week for years on end.
I’ve been thinking…Jodi worked for PPL and had their policy. For God Sake, why is she still in Jail? I can see that maybe she wouldn’t be out in an hour like Travis was, but four years?
Not to mention, what lawyer let her speak to the media when she was so desperate to hide the fact that she had anything to do with killling Travis? Most lawyers tell their client’s facing a murder charge, not to speak to police or the media. At least without their attorney present.
Makes one wonder….Is PPL really a policy one should purchase?
Hopefully, this company will be investigated, especially given the likes of people like Hughes who are abstrusting justice, making lots of money by scamming people.
That is a very good point. She works at and has PPL, she gets arrested, her PPL appointed lawyer should have said first and foremost “do not talk to anyone”. So what happened there?
They’ll expunge the record when all is said and done. Sorta like flood insurance. We’ll fix it after its broken
OK, I am SO embarrassed to admit this, but I have some familiarity with what a PPL policy affords a holder. My dad had one. In his defense, he goes to church with Harlan Stonecipher. Maybe that’s no defense at all. Never mind. I have prevailed upon him to let it go, and after MUCH wrangling I am happy to report that he does not have one anymore. At the time we dealt with this, I didn’t even realize that the company is a crazy MLM cult. Regardless, it is still pretty obviously a scam. But basically, the policy provides you: nothing of value. No representation in court for really anything. I think they let you call a lawyer and tell him what your case consists of. Guess what? You can do that without a prepaid policy. If it hasn’t changed, they give you some card that you are supposed to give the cop if and when you are pulled over that says you do not consent to a search, and that you want to speak to a lawyer before you are questioned on what they pulled you over for. Guess what? The Constitution gives that to you for free. If you don’t trust yourself to vocalize that, it’s a lot cheaper to write that out in advance than to pay somebody like $250 a year! Another big “benefit” is that you are entitled to a “discount” on the (inflated) hourly rate of their in-network lawyers.
During the jury questions, Jodi was trying to say that when she was incarcerated in California she didn’t have a lawyer representing her on her charge, but she did have someone representing her on her extradition. Maybe there is some PPL provision for that, and that is what she was talking about. But I am certain and can relate from (near) first hand experience that the policy states unequivocally that they offer nothing of value to holders charged with felonies.
No need for embarassment over your father having a PPL policy. I’m quite certain that most of us have purchase a little snake oil after being harrassed by a sales person.
Sort of makes you wonder if Jodi did have a PPL Attorney that was not so ethical. Possibly a member of the Church?
Yet another conspiracy theory, which I don’t normally subscribe to. However there is so much shady stuff going on with this case, I think anything is possible.
To be clear, TR: My dad and Harlan Stonecipher are not LDS, although I glean that a whole wing of the PPL MLM cult are. I am originally from the town that headquarters PPL, and I know and am related to a number of people who have worked for the corporation in various capacities, although I have no firsthand experience with anyone who is part of the MLM structure. The attorneys they have ‘in network’ are not actually employees of PPL, and have no relationship to the corporate structure or culture of PPL, so any conspiracy of that nature seems highly unlikely to me. But you and I are of like mind in being highly suspicious of whether we are getting the whole truth from the pros. I just wish that the defense could have afforded forensic experts fully to analyze the crime scene.
Hi Jou-
I didn’t think your Dad was LDS:) I in no way think “all” Mormons are like the group coming forth in support of Travis. I also don’t believe “all” employees of PPL are unethical. I should say that my ex worked for a company with very similar tactics and beliefs as PPL, so I am unfortunately familiar with the philosophies and training strategies of these types of pyramid sales schemes. I always saw it as brain washing. One of many reasons for the Ex status.
Just throwing out the thought that Jodi had a PPL policy so where was her attorney? She testified to having an attorney that was assisting her on another matter, so it would lead me to believe she knew enough to ask for an attorney to represent her for an arrest on Murder charges. I watch her interviews with the detective and see a desperate person trying to distance herself from the killing. She continued this with Media interviews. I can’t help but think if she worked and cooperated with a good attorney, this would not have happened. The jury is wondering the same thing, as they asked her about it.
I am not one to subscribe to conspiracy theories. However, this case has so many suspicious and shady things going on that I have come to believe any sketchy thing is possible. I also watched the U-Tube video someone posted here yesterday, where a women talked about her husband being killed in blood atonement. Not only am I creeped out, I am beginning to think Jodi’s story of intruders may not be so unbelievable.
Shakespeare fans please forgive me, but at this point I think it is clear that “something is rotten in the State of Denmark”, or in this case, Arizona.
This has been one of my core questions. When did Jodi first consult with an attorney? I was stunned that she gave such a long and detailed interview with detectives pre-arrest without legal counsel.
I think that people tend to think that if they’re innocent, then cooperating with law enforcement shouldn’t harm them. But the only way to protect one’s legal rights is to do so before you think you might need protection.
Has Jodi said when she first spoke with a real attorney?
Her Lawyer has to prepare her better for some answers, also since her texts etc, were made public her past relationships how about Travis. Their is Ample Evidence on his My Space for homosexual innuendos and also pedophilia as stated by his friend making that comment so we have the friend stating parole violation, picking up boys also making comments about Homosexuality. Pretty weird but very common in this cult. I suspect highly that Travis and Jodie were not the only people involved with serious sexuality problems. I
Absolutely oliv
Do you think that those other stories were fabricated BY PPL, and not her I am not a Lawyer but would never ever let my client speak to media etc. . Yesterday a Quack Psychiatrist on Judge someone or other, stated how emotionally disconnected she is from that act, the whole pathetic analyzing of her is sick.Her tears are not real Body Language Experts. Here is the Deal when the Media Cheer leads someone or degrades them there is a bigger picture what the hell is this PPL.
I should also note that, even if she had a criminal defense lawyer at the time of the media interviews….lawyers can’t hogtie their clients. They can advise. They can even ask to withdraw if you’re intent enough on ignoring their advice. But they can’t make you NOT say stupid things in public.
It’s possible she had a lawyer and was ignoring sound legal advice. As she’s said often during testimony….she wasn’t make great choices at the time.
I think that there are times now when Jo isn’t in agreement with her counsel right now.
I’m hoping that these extra 2 days off will give Jodi and her lawyers some time to rest. I can’t imagine testifying this long.
Delays in a criminal trial mostly come from the defense. The prosecution is limited in its ability to delay a trial. But the defense can delay it for a number of reasons.
According to Jodi’s testimony, she had an attorney at the time of at least her questioning, but that lawyer did not represent her in this matter. It makes a difference. Probate lawyers don’t advise you on what to do if you’re being questioned by the cops in a murder. (Not that she had a probate lawyer, but the point is she probably didn’t have a criminal defense attorney.)
I don’t think she was represented during the time she gave the media interviews. For a period in there she was defending herself, which was one of the delays in going to trial. The defense has the right to a speedy trial, but that doesn’t always means a speedy trial is the wisest idea and they can waive that right up to a point.
Agreed Jessie. Pls see my most recent post to Jou Jous, which explains my confusion on this topic.
Great find, Dog. And so true. PPL is going down! I mean, if they’re saying PPL had the record “expunged”, then I would have to say Pre-Paid Legal sucks. Allegedly.
We now need a video of the FACTS supporting the likelihood of pedophilia. And I say FACTS, cause it will help our cause, I believe, if we let the facts speak for themselves, and of course debate things here, or offer opinions here.
With the records and the records video, I’m not saying this is “proof” of anything. I do believe, however, it is pointing to the FACT that many people have lied. And where there is one lie….
http://www.change.org/petitions/trial-by-media-is-wrong-stop-the-spin-headline-news-hln-nancy-grace-jane-velez-mitchell-jean-casarez-vinnie-politan-dr-drew
As much as I’ve been trying to avoid JVM in all capacities at all costs, she caught me at a weak moment, and shared a reaction to something that had triggered in me the same response. Does anyone else remember when Jodi said that she and Travis discussed WHY he used the picture of the boy? JVM (and I) think that she was alluding to the possibility that Travis had been abused. Frankly, before I heard Jodi say that, I thought that the whole pedophilia thing was bull, and that it diminished and muddled her case to have brought it up. I’ve turned a corner and I believe that part of it too now. I wonder if any of the jurors have had the same response.
But, the jurors don’t know anything (or shouldn’t, unless they’ve been reading his blog, etc.) about Travis’ troubled childhood.
It’s understood that pedophiles often target children from troubled homes, because those children are less supervised and/or easier to manipulate. Pedophiles who have been caught and imprisoned have offered this information to psychologists and the public. This doesn’t mean that Travis was molested, of course, but he would certainly have be a prime target for any predators in his family/ neighbourhood/school/church.
Pique,
You’re right about the kind of kids they target. Case in point is Jerry Sandusky
Granted, my knowledge of his troubled childhood may have enhanced my perceptiveness to that. But when she mentioned it, she said something to the effect of his statements made her sympathetic to why he would want to look at an image like that. Her response was objected to and sustained, but if I were a juror, I don’t think I could forget and completely disregard that. It’s fairly common knowledge that pedophiles beget pedophilia. It’s totally changed my thinking about this aspect of the case. JVM drew the same conclusion about what she was trying to say that I did, although she ascribed a sinister motive to her expressing it that I did not. I just can’t help but think that some of the jurors could feel the same way. Also, not to be crass, but one look at those siblings, and it’s pretty clear to anyone with a family as judgmental as mine, that those Alexanders ‘weren’t raised right.’ Just sayin.
I heard the brother and sister say RIGHT away they thought
it was Jodi, although none of them had met her.
How is that?
I don’t know. I also don’t know the exact statistic on the number of killings committed by the victim’s romantic partner, but I know that it’s extremely high as a percentage. So if I were his sibling and I’d been asked, I would have probably said the same thing. I heard that he wasn’t on speaking terms at the time of his death with most of his sibs. I think that is a more interesting, and more statistically anomalous aspect of this case.
Did the siblings live in the same town and were they Mormom?
The Picture on His blog is very telling, all little boys I remember when I was a Kid and a Book that Covenant House in NYC, which did a lot of Good came out the Founder Of Covenant House had been accused of molesting teenage boys, This book was printed way prior to any allegations of abuse the name was Sometimes GOD has the Face of a Little Boy. My Father who donated Money to Covenant House Didn’t care for the Title and The Cover of The Book for some reason this reminded me of Travis Alexanders Blog Picture of the Boys. It was quite similar Black & White Shadowy.
Fr. Ritter was the founder of Covenant House & Although allegations were never proven.
He was forced to step down. The picture on the cover of the book and just the whole manner of speaking about little boys didn’t sit right and I suddenly was reminded of This Book through Travis picture on his Blog.
And also Pique, TA’s mom was a drug addict, no telling what kind of people she brought around the house. No fine understanding joe blow citizen of the month. I find it telling that he says on his blog that one day he just started screaming and didn’t stop until his grandmother came and got him for the weekend. Normal children don’t do that. He was traumatized and this isn’t something you can get over without help.
Wow. I didn’t read about the screaming episode. How awful for the child that was Travis. You’re right: the characters hanging around his childhood home would’ve been, at the very least, unsavoury.
Yeah I have much compassion for what travis endured as a child. I believe him. Riverside has it’s bad parts as far as meth goes too so I believed his story and it also like it was told by someone who had been raised by meth addicts – so sad. I believe he has 3 sisters and 4 brothers too but maybe im off by one.
I believe him too, and I think his parents are terrible people for putting him and his siblings through that. That’s a lot of baggage for a child to carry around and it probably affected Travis throughout his adult life.
Yeah and he said he will never forget how scary and mean she sounded ( paraphrased) when she was woken up after having not slept due to staying up on drugs for days on end.
A thought – I read before that Dr. Samuel something, who she mentioned on the stand is a sexual violence expert. Maybe he’s going to look at them as whole and bring in travis past? how can they not when looking at it from a pyschological standpoint?
True, I think we have a better understanding because we can look at the dynamics of both of them. But if you were on the jury and only heard one side, wouldn’t you be asking why he would treat her like that?
Just my mushy Social Worker two cents:
This is a tragedy all the way around, that will hopefully shine the light of the horrific effects of childhood abuse, as well as domestic violence. Travis’ childhood abuse and neglect also speaks to why he would be good prey for a business such as PPL, and the folks that “mentored” him. He probably had an overwhelming need to be seen as successful, even to the extent of playing a character such as Eddy Snell. Don’t see any of the company “Big Wigs” playing such characters.
Back in the day, there were few Mental Health services available for children coming out of abusive homes, and probably, fewer still, when placed with a relative. It is I very likely that neither Travis nor his siblings ever recieved the help they needed to deal with such trauma.
Although I do not belvieve they should disrespect the Court with their eye rolling and faces, my heart does break for them. They quite possibly do not have the coping mechanisms to fully accept what Travis’ adult behaviors were, and that Jodi, who was also abused as child, acted in the only way she could.
here is a part about sexual abuse of me as a child with an uncle. I kept it a from everyone no one knew untill the day my uncle was on his death bead and told his wife the story and she told my mom who then told me after he died.
How awful at least he confessed. But I am so sorry for you. Many are so ignorant on sexual abuse. Travis behavior toward Jodi was that of an abuser. He really was too hypocritical I am sorry about what happened to him. But at the same time he played wicked mind games with Jodi and the screamong and yelling are typical of his type of sexual deviancy.
LOL the Travis support FB LOVES this site… they CONSTANTLY mention this page….
LOL! Guilt, perhaps?
LOL!! Those Spying Strolls!!
Spying Trolls!!
I don’t visit the hater sites, but from the reports I read here, the Travisites think we’re a bunch of crazy idiots that don’t know what we’re talking about. Really? Well then why do they keep coming back to find out what we think, and why do they take it so seriously that they immediately try to explain/excuse away anything that doesn’t prop up Travis’ public image? These people need to get a grip and re-evaluate their control issues. People are going to think what they are going to think, calling names isn’t going to change anyone’s mind anytime soon.
really MB. Great point. Is it about control! i don’t read there either. It’s boring to read the same comments over and over anyhow. They never seem to say anything of value so I choose to not be bored!
I know right?? I remember this from the Casey Anthony trial, they just keep repeating the same ridiculous lies the media told; as if it will make them more true.
yep,i agree with JC,i had Liked the State page and then went back after a few weeks and Unliked it because really how many times can someone read”Give her the needle already!” ??? It creeps you out the first few times then you realise you just spend your invaluable time reading sick comments coming from sick people!It’s just not worth it.
And I have never called them names either. It’s part of the control. If they put us down as crazy etc. they think it will deter others from visiting. Nevertheless, that’s faulty logic at best!
Oh no, it seems to act like free advertising. lol They probably spread the news that we uncovered Travis’ criminal record much faster than if we were to try alone. Thanks haters! haha
LOL MB
Really MB, I think we have just fallen under her evil witchcraft spell that scrambled our brains.
you forgot evil “seductress” witchcraft spell.
NOT!!!
Right, I almost forgot about that. lol
Oh brother! These people are incorrible. *facepalm*
i think her evil enchantress powers are so strong that got us all under her spell even with that candle pic lol!!that applies to both sexes!As to men I’d have to agree with Bee Cee,she got you boys through her Evil Salome spell!
All I know is that, if God Forbid, I am ever being railroaded and wrongly accused I hope Team Jodi and all of the folks here, help me. This group is amazing, and intellegent. Not sure what everybody does professionally, but seems like there is a wide range from legal to medical. I think I’m hooked to being here, in part, so I can read about the information people uncover.
I would want Kirk Nurmi to represent me. And someone as hubristic and inept as JM to prosecute me.
I’d definitely want a Nurmi/Wilmott or Baez/Mason team representing me.
I was reading about Martinez’s court record, and apparently he gets a lot of wins because he’s usually assigned cases with “the worst of the worst” defendants. People like Doug Falater who claimed to be sleepwalking when he killed his wife and Wendi Adriano who murdered her terminally-ill husband for money. In other words, cases that any prosecutor with experience and common sense could win.
Agreed. I think Mr. Nurmi is doing a good job, especially considering he is assigned as a public defender, with what I assume is a limited budget to obtain experts etc. Please correct me if I am wrong about this.
My understanding is that neither Nurmi or Willmott are public defenders. Both are being paid by the state though.
Public defenders aren’t typically working M1 cases. In cases that involve the possibility of the DP, defedants need DP certified lawyers to defend them. Defendants can waive that if they wish to.
Willmott is a DP certified attorney. Nurmi is not.
One note: the law varies from state to state. I can’t say that AZ follows the above general guidelines regarding public attorneys and M1.
That’s so funny considering the stuff they come up with on their pages. I read a post about how “Travis was close to a saint on Earth.” WTH? No, he wasn’t. He was a human with faults like everyone else. Then there are all the posts about how Travis didn’t invite Jodi over on June 4th, how he never had sex with her, how he didn’t know that she was taking pictures of him in the shower…come on now. It’s like they have to make him PERFECT.
All – it can take months, if not years, to get a criminal record Expunged. That’s a fact. If, let’s say for agrument sake, his identity was stolen (not buying for one minute myself), then I can not speak for what would be the customary time frame to have that expunged – would that really be an expungement?? The fact is that the record was abviously not expunged if it is available as public record right on the legal jurisdictions website.
Folks, the record has NOT been expunged. Even if it had and TA was not the REAL perp, then his name certainly would not be showing up on the official record. I’m not buying the BS they are trying to feed everyone about the expungement.
Also, in some States, certain crimes can not be expunged. That includes some misdeamnors such as Assualt and Battery. In Virginia, for example, a mideamnor conviction of assualt/battery CAN NEVER BE EXPUNGED. The only way to have it expunged is to recieve a full pardon!
All this can easily be put to bed by getting a copy of the mugshot. I believe this is possible by any citizen doing a criminal record request to the legal jurisdiction in which the crime occurred. It just takes the time and money to obtain.
Bystander, that is also my understanding of the law (at least in the state where I live and work).
that is correct. I am a paralegal.
Yep. Travis’s “friends” are grasping at straws.
Yeah! his mugshot will be nice!
The Battery against spouse charge is categorized as a domestic violence crime in CA. This means that Travis could never legally buy a gun and register it in ANY state.
The whole “he never own a gun” would ring true but also leads you to believe that his crazy, gun-toting friend Dave Hall would most likely have given him one.
Absolutely Candie. That has been my thought all along. I think Dave Hall, douth protest too much. I think he is desperate to cover it al up, as he is connected to the gun.
Bet a million $s he did
Travis made it seem like Jodie was a nut-job stalker. Bet Dave gave it to him “just in case”
That and just so TA could play with the big boys at the range.
I’m sure there are alot of people with the same name..plus thats why they do fingerprints,note scars & tatts …exct…
That’s an interesting theory, Al. I agree that there is, more often than not, some grain of truth in a person’s lies. Another theory, or as a supplement to the shooting, Jodi could have gone into a fog but deep within doesn’t recognize the entire crime because she didn’t do the entire thing. She may have done the shot but can’t mentally recognize the stabbings and all the blood, etc. Perhaps she didn’t do them or other actions after all…..
There is much in this case that obviously has holes in it, one reason jurors are asking so many questions. For just one, I can’t see how Jodie planned even for the possibilility of murder when she left for TA’s, as it would make no sense to plan to kill someone and go along with taking pictures of being there. She could have easily found an excuse for TA to use his camera another time-not that day-or if he insisted she take pics of him, she would have kept the focus on him by himself and flattered him, not nude pics of she and him before she killed him.
Also, the dog is an interesting consideration. We know TA absolutely loved that dog. Jodi admitted that much and even told about having to care for it as part of her work around the house for TA. So would TA just go off on business trips for days or weeks and not have anyone give the dog water or food until he comes back? Or take the dog to relieve itself or clean up after it pooped rather than just leave it to smell up the house?
At any rate, TA was missing for five days and no one knew where he was. Did he not have someone come over and check on the dog at all, especially if that was what he usually did? Or were the roommates supposed to do that? If he couldn’t count on them since they might have been in and out all the time and didn’t want to do it, it seems he would have asked a friend or someone else he knew to go over to the house and give it food and water and take it out for walks or at least clean up its smelly messes which would be accumululating and smelling up the house by then in addition to the decomposing body.
It seems strange that Jodie was able to do the murder, clean up evidence and put things in the washing machine, and walk out to her car without anyone coming in, and then have the roommates, one of whom had a room near TA’s, even if he did not have access to it, not question any strange smells, or have to do laundry, etc. for almost a week after TA was killed. As for the dog, apparently it was scratching like hell at the door when the friends finally came looking for TA. There’s an awful lot more questions in this case, but not enough time or space here.
As far as any police problems in TA’s case before Jodi, this could also be extremely important. He was very fortunate to have had an aunt who took the family in and connected him to the church. But unfortunately we never escape the experiences of our childhood. TA may have had a violent side or a bad temper none of his friends could possibly have been aware of and he, himself, may never or rarely experienced. No living person knows for sure except Jodi….and possibly another person or persons hiding the truth of what really happened that fateful day.
Very thought-provoking, Mattie. I find it unsettling that these things weren’t investigated by the police. I wonder why?
I wonder why the jurors didn’t ask these questions instead of the
gas cans and her mental state.
Some questions wete repeated. How did the judge not catch that
and we knew that there were as many as 200 questions, but that the judge would check and see
whether or not some could be asked.
Maybe she threw out the ones about Travis not being found for 5 dats and what about the dog.
This is the absolute worse (investigation) IF there even was one that I have ever
seen. Did anyone see them taking tons of stuff out of the house, like they normally do?
Who else was interrogated?
This sucks!
The Judge only tosses questions if a lawyer sucessfuly objects to the question. Because AZ jurors have the right and even responsility to ask questions, the Judge can’t toss questions because they’re repetative.
Before Det Flores left the stand, a juror asked him about the roommates’ alabis. I don’t remember what he said.
Hey SJ want’s us to move over to the new post and chat… Pass it on 🙂
Mattie,
I go back to an earlier post of mine. The DA filed these charges leaving open the option for one or more other perpetrators. I know it may just be a CYA, but why do it and give the defense an opening when one is not warranted. I feel there was something in the evidence that gave the DA an uneasy feeling and made him stick it in there just in case the defense was to stumble across the same thing and be able to argue that Jodi wasn’t the only person present.
Discovery in legal cases is a tricky thing. The DA has to turn over all collected evidence, but they do not have to disclose their theory of the case, or any attorney or PD work product. In fact in this very case Nurmi tried to get Flores’ notes and was denied by the judge. That is privileged work product. So what the DA does is just lump all the raw evidence together and turn it over to the defense. In fact a commonly used ruse in both criminal and civil cases is to turn over discovery in a haphazard manner and aso include so much trash that weeding through it and finding what the opposing sides case actually is becomes difficult. I’m sure Renee the paralegal knows what I’m talking about. So is there some reason to think there might have been another person present. I believe that JM believes that there is some evidence that may be interpreted that way.
When I first heard about this case it was engrained in my head from the media that Jodi was a sociopath, stalker, tireslasher, lied about where she worked(Margaritaville), and that she stabbed her boyfriend 27 times because he was taking someone else to Cancun instead of her. And so the first time that I watched the interrogation video about the 2 intruders I was automatically programmed to think “she’s lying” everytime she spoke. Also, when I first watched this video I thought the emotions were just fake. But now weeks later, after watching and listening to Jodi testify, I just watched this video again and see it in a completely different light. If one opens up your mind to the possibility that there may be some truth to what she is saying, then it seems plausible that someone else could be involved. For instance, when Flores asked her if there was someone else involved she says something like “it’s better if everyone thinks that it was just me” and when Flores says “no it’s not” Jodi says “it IS really, you have no idea”. And really starts to get emotional. To me her emotions seem to be genuine here. What is going through her mind to make such statements? Remember,it was Flores himself that had initially stated that he felt that there was more than one involved. However, she did testify that the two intruder story was a lie. But then again, her defense strategy apparently was changed to allow certain evidence to come in. I’m not saying I believe or disbelieve. But apparently Flores believed it at one time. Also at the beginning of the video Flores said “and then I don’t understand why you took a gun with you” she immediately perked up and said “Oh, I didn’t”. She seemed believable to me, just in the manner in which she said it. All of these quotes are within the first 5 minutes of this video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FoUB2UzWjtI
I agree rb…
That’s my reaction rb,
And didn’t she NOT believe his throat was cut?
I believed her there too.
I’m going to go through it again tomorrow and find what I’m talking about.
I also believe she was not lying about it was better everyone believing it was her.
What about the Brady Law. If they intentually leave something out that would help Jodi, isn’t that
a big no no?
I think that you may be thinking of the Brady case, Brady v. Md. The Brady law concerns gun control. But yes, withholding exculpatory evidence is a BIG no-no for the prosecution. I think what Al is referring to is the fairly common, and not unconstitutional practice of overloading the opposing side with useless discovery responses, effectively burying the pieces of evidence that would be of interest to them.
After giving 3 different dates for doing the laundry that week (Tuesday, Wednesday & Saturday), and confirming the laundry found in the machine was TA’s as TA “would never wash his whites with colors” — Zach Billings then went on to say Enrique’s girlfriend was looking after the dog that week.
SJ
Team Jodi
SJ,
Do you have any idea if blood was found on the camera? Because theories by people accusing Jodi are that she was holding the camera while killing Travis or that the camera was on the floor and she accidentally kicked it while killing him, causing the two accidental pictures to be taken.
Those two theories make no sense if there was no blood on the camera. There would definitely be blood all over the camera if it was on the floor or she was holding it.
Wasn’t it run through the washing machine. That would wipe out any blood, wouldn’t it?
I’m wondering about luminol now. Don’t they say they can find blood anywhere? No matter how much the crime scene is cleaned and even when a person uses bleach?
If trace amounts of blood were left, yes. If it was cleaned with bleach, it would produce a yellow glow instead of blue.
Unless you do as they did in one of the best movies ever made, ‘The Boondock Saints’…. spray all blood splatters with ammonia.
Or a copper containing solution, but I don’t think she was in that kind of a mind
Well I’m not SJ but the camera was washed before LE found it. Could luminol still find blood? Good question!
Are you sure the camera was washed? Wouldn’t that have completely destroyed the memory card?
yes. it’s in the flores report under court docs. It’s been stated in court it was washed and they had to send the memory card special for it to be reconstructed.
Ok, I missed that. That is what I was trying to find in the report. Thanks
Yes it said the camera was waterlogged but after drying was still functional.
Wasn’t the camera washed with the bloody towel? If the camera was washed with any other item that had blood on it, forensics wouldn’t be able to say if the camera had blood on it before it was washed.
SJ, I now understand that Enrique’s girlfriend was looking after the dog that week, as you mentioned, but I wonder at what point? It would have been several days after the murder that she started caring for him, I believe, since he died BEFORE leaving for the scheduied trip when he would have needed help with the dog. So did she wait until the dog hadn’t eaten or had water or pooped around the house days before she started? did they summise that the dog seemed all wound up (which it must have been by then) and assumed he’d already left without their knowledge and not taken his car this time? did she think, that he just must have left a few days early and then start looking after the dog….There are still questions about how all roommates who lived in the house and took care of the dog didn’t find TA’s body in the house until 5 days after the murder when he was supposed to meet the girl he was taking on the trip. Also, where was the dog’s food kept? Did the roommates usually wait over a week to use the washing machine? (maybe they did because they have a lot of clothes. Who knows?) Also, did they just keep the pet gate up all the time after the day of Travis death? I , I would think the dog, who usually got free roam of the house, would have been be trying hard to get upstairs at some point to his master….Too bad, also unlike other murder cases, the jurors couldn’t have taken a tour through the house to see the layout themselves. I’m sure this would have helped them put things in perspective, including what Jodi could and really couldn’t have done in that house upstairs during the attack as well as settle or raise issues as to to why it took so long for TA’s body to be found in his house.
Sorry, this is so long, but the point is that there are so many unanswered questions. If Jodi had money, she would be able to hire the kinds of people to investigate further, etc. It’s her life that’s on the line, and while her lawyer is trying his best to help her, he has only so much time and resources.
Did Billings wash the camera????
What the hell?
From police report:
Ta and his tenants/roommates Zach and Enrique all attend the same church ward (?at least once a week) yet according to Marie Hall and Zach, they do not really socialize. Zach knew TA for several years.
Zach Billings on his first interview said he SAW TA ON THURSDAY 6/5 MORNING in passing, returned home about 1:30/2pm watched movies etc, laundry on Sat 6/7.
On second interview, said Wednesday 6/4 was his day off, was home from 3pm to 4pm, SAW NO ONE and NO CAR.
Modified statement about laundry, said it was done on Tues 6/3.
Enrique, other roommate said he saw TA on Wed 6/4, TA said he had a conference call that eve.(DID NOT SEE JODI either.) Then said HE SAW TA WED 6/4 after work at 6-6:30 pm when TA WAS ON THE PHONE IN A CONFERENCE CALL while Enrique was eating in the kitchen. (Famous conference call that Chris Hughes, TA’s boss, said never happened.) Enrique moreover said that THURSDAY 6/5 was when things looked odd, door locked, furnitures moved around, ring and watch in kitchen.
Things don’t add up.
One hour after he is dead, TA is seen making THE VERY IMPORTANT PPL CONFERENCE CALL that he told about to his roommate in the morning so he would not be disturbed. Meanwhile Chris Hughes says TA missed the very important conference call that TA was supposed to host, but did not bother to check further on him in person.
Good catch, that is weird!
read the police report too and I was also puzzled by the remarks that were made and then changed now that Jodi is taking all the blame. The are back stabbing her and they know she cant do any thing to make them stop. Perhaps they won’t her dead so that their changed statements do not come into court. This means they must have been in the house when Jodi was there or ???????????????
On the stand when asked if there was anyone else in the house, Jodi said she
didn’t know
now read dustin and ashley statments think ashley is dead now??? she pointed her finger at her husband that is in the police report too.
He always had someone look after the dog if he was going away. The dog was supposed to be going to TA’s grandmother’s for the week he was in cancun.
Did the Grandmother get suspicious or try to call since he hadn’t brought the dog over?
I find that here in our little county law enforcement is trusted implicitly by a Judge as is DSS. It’s as if they are the be all and end all. I know of several situations where they didn’t investigate situations fully, but the Judge still believed them. It makes my blood boil.
You are so right SD. Furthermore a big issue in criminal cases is the tendency for the jury to believe that a defendant has to be guilty of something, otherwise the police would not have charged them. Also there is an implicit trust for governmental authority in our society, which I’ve always found strange since the very founding principles of our country are based on the premise that while government is necessary, it is also something that should never be trusted, and hence all the checks and balances.
Yet we march on along blindly trusting everything a government entity puts forth as true.
So well put Al.
Same here where I live, the county is like little Nazi Germany. If you are not a part of their LE group, they will make up false charges and arrest you. Then you have to get an attorney, jump through their hoops, play their games, make a donation to a county charity and they will drop the charges. They do it to everyone they can, I was told just to show you that they can. And you DO NOT want to piss off any one of them or one of there relatives. That’s why my house is up for sale. Anyone want some nice lake front property? lol
There is something that really bothers me about Travis’s roommates testimony.
1) As it was already mentioned here, he said he saw Travis on Thursday (day after he was dead)
2) He said he may have done laundry on the 4th or the 7th. If the 4th, he had to have known Jodi was there right? If the 7th, how do you do laundry, but not notice bloody sheets and a camera in the washing machine?
3) If, like Zach said, Travis was angry that Jodi would let herself into his house all the time, why did he continue to leave the doors unlocked? Why not change the locks and start locking the door?
Very good points.
And not only that, supposedly Travis told a friend that Jodi was a nympho. This of course coming from a site that some people think Jodi wrote the script for the phone sex, and like a good boy, Travis read the script. And not only that, that it wasn’t Travis’ voice on the tape. My point, if he was so scared, blah, blah, why didn’t he take a restraining order out on her? For me, if someone wants to think differently then me, I don’t care, but, please, coming up with some of these thoughts makes me think that some are writing posts from the mental ward of their local hospital. I have to stop looking over there, it gets nuttier by the minute. And yes, please when some of you over there read this, while secretly coming here, by all means talk about what I just said.
Yes Leah. Of course they need to come up with any and all irrational ideas to distance Travis from the phone calls. He has now told the world that he is a rapist.
I’m certain the State would never have allowed the phone call in unless it was verified as being Travis. Travis’ own camp, via Hughes, say non verified information doesn’t get into evidence ( ie: so called “forged” letters.) So logic says the tape is in fact Travis.
Can’t have it all ways and have any credibilty to your claims. But then again, I think rational people realize these claims are fantasy, and an all out effort to grasp at any straw.
I think they may realize that, as SJ stated, the tide is turning in favor of Jodi’s innocence.
The thing that gets me, is where did this rumer come from that she crawled through the doggie door to get in?
His doggie door was one of those that sits in the track of the patio (sliding glass) door and the patio door butts up to it. She went through the PATIO door that just so happens to have a doggie door attached to it. His dog was pretty small too so it was probably one of the smallest doggie doors you can get, one that a human could probably not crawl through.
Good explanation of the doggie-door.
The mental picture they want us to have (and the one that first sprung to my mind when I first head about the sinister doggie-door) is of Jodi flat on the ground, slithering like a snake, through a little cubby in the door.
I mean, really!
I know. No way that someone of Jodi’s height/weight could get through a doggie door. My 58-pound, 52-inch-tall son just barely can (my parents have one and he was trying to see if he could get through it).
To point #3, I suspect what he said to his friends and what he said to Jodi are two completely different things. To his friends he’s seen as a player, and players always put down others to make themselves look better. Saying shit like “ya, she’s stalking me” or “ya this girls totally in love with me, its annoying” is just all part of the act. Basically he’s a backstabbing bullshitter. To Jodi his story was probably so much different “Oh ya babe you’re so great you’re so wonderful, I love when you come by” etc etc. His friends are just running with it now because they’re defending their friend and none of them have the balls to actually stand up and say ya, you know what, prior to this crime she came across as a pretty nice person.
EXACTLY Dog!
Dog,
Zach said in the police report (if I remember correctly) that he heard Jodi and Travis argue about her being in the house and how she got in and why she was there. This would mean he is lying.
Zach sounds like a messed up dude. He changes all his stories, and fabricates.
messed up good-alternative-suspect dude!
Yes, THANK YOU. Exactly.
**Gas Can Math Explained**
What we KNOW
Rental Car 2008 Ford Focus holds 14.0 Gallons of Gas
2 * 5Gallon Gas Cans 10.0 Gallons
Total = 24 Gallons
What we DON’T know
If Jodi had a 3rd can = 5Gallons
Now the total 29 Gallons
What we DO know:
1)We know that Jodi bought 20.255 gallons of gas at $3.859 87 OCTANE Total of $78.14
2)This Gas Station Store part is closed in the middle of the night, however the pumps work with a credit card. I called and verified.
3) This Gas Station has one coin vacuum, one automatic carwash at the price of $4, $6, or $8, newspapers and one pay-phone outside the store itself.
4) We know that Jodie spent $97.79 at this gas station
What we DON’T know:
We do NOT have a gas receipt for $19.65
We only know she spent $19.65 from a bank statement. We do NOT know the date or the time it was spent at this gas station. We only know the charge $19.65 was cleared after the first two purchases of gas.
We do NOT know, if it was gas she purchased, the pump she used, nor what Octane of gas she bought.
We do NOT know if the the gas pumps are calibrated correctly. These gas pump are check every month in my state of North Carolina.
Speculation
IF Jodi did spend $97.79 on gas she would have only bought 25.34 gallons of gas.
IF Jodi did have only 14 gallon Ford Focus and 2 Gas cans at 10 gallons, which is a total of 24 gallons. She could have over-filled her car and gas cans by 1.34 gallons easily. If you evenly distribute 1.34 by 3 you get .44 of a gallon. Hell, I can easily overfill my car by half a gallon and I have done the same to my own gas cans.
Martinez is trying fool the jury and use hypotheticals and state them as fact.
Exactly. The big question is WHY? see my previous posts about what I see as manipulation of the evidence. What I can’t figure out is why. Why is this case so much more important than any run of the mill case or is JM always like this railroading people based on manipulation and speculation. He is going to tell the jury that JA lied because of this $19.65, and if she lied about this, then you can disregard everything she has said. And how is JA suppose to defend herself against this?
This is assuming the car’s gas tank was on empty, though, isn’t it?
I think we would have to take all the receipts of gas, divide by miles etc.
Yes, we would. I feel a fatigue coming on …
I know Pique. I wouldn’t trust my math to put up in a comment!
JC–I did pick up a pencil, but then I put it down. I got a cup of coffee instead!
Martinez and Nurmi can have a pencil fight.
I agree Pique! Enjoy your coffee:-)
LOLOL
Didn’t Jodi say she only saved the receipts for tax write off items?
That might mean the other purchase was not going to be for her write off..
Since Kermit brought in a bank statement, did it have any purchases documented in AZ? did he show the document, or another sliced and diced image?
Beecee,
Ive thought that too. Why would she save a receipt for a return gas can as it’s an even exchange and wouldn’t be needed for taxes. And let’s just say the trip had went down without issue, – wouldn’t the part with travis not be tax-deductible while the places she visited to take pictures were as well as the trip to ryan because she went to a PPL event? So her throwing AZ receipts away would seem logical for tax purposes?
Yes but remember JM trying to give her a lesson on how to cheat on her taxes. lol
Jodi said she filled up at Buckeye, Az. Google maps say that is 57 miles from Mesa. Google maps also say that it is 680 miles from Mesa to SLC via U89 and I-15. 680 + 57 = 737. Depending on which exact route she took and the gas mileage she got she would’ve been close to empty.
Oh good! I thought she didn’t gas us in AZ and that was the point Martinez was trying to make? What is he trying to say she used these gas cans for? Now im confused?
JM is saying that she brought the gas cans so she would leave no evidence of her having been in Az purchasing gas. But Jodi says that she did buy gas at both Palm Desert and Buckeye, but she just paid cash. And there was no reason to keep the receipts because expenses on a non-business personal side trip to Travis’ aren’t deductible.
Dirty, I have a question for you, you said you called, Did they say if you could go to the outside window and buy things that way? I’ve never heard of a gas station that had no attendants even when the inside store was closed.
I agree, if they allow gas pumping, there usually has to be someone there to monitor for driveaways, and emergencies.
Did they have a Mastercard ATM at that location?
http://www.mystore411.com/store/view/10227272/US%20/Mastercard-ATM-Salt-Lake-City
They have the gas pump on automatic after store hours.
They have know walk up and pay window for after hour purchases.
Yes, they do have an ATM at this location.
Here in North Carolina we have had after hour automated gas pumps for at least 5 years. Meaning you can buy gas with a credit card without anyone their except yourself.
Speculation
It is possible that you could subtract an automated car wash purchase from the $19.65, since you could choose that options.
-$4 car wash = $15.65
-$6 car wash = $13.65
-$8 car wash = $11.65
In which case, this would reduce the amount of gas purchased even lower.
$19.65 sounds like an oil change or something. If they don’t have the receipt, they don’t know what time the purchase was. Did Tesoro 2go’s have a garage also?
Does anyone know where screen shots of the bank statement are?
hater justice FB page
Those don’t even have dates…are they real bank statements?
At this point I am not convinced the $19.65 purchase was the same time of day or for gas. I think they are grasping at straws, but sadly there are jurors who will fall for that flawed logic….
By the way, Tersoro store has Shell gas. If you look at the bank statement Jodi bought gas from another Shell station before in before the purchases made in Salt Lake City Tersoro. Also, there is a tire repair after Tersoro.
Very interesting. That Shell station purchase was in Mesquite, NV. Taking that route to SLC would be 100 miles longer than the route up using US89 according to Google map. Does anyone know that area, why one route would be preferable to another?
she should have stayed on I80 west from Utah to redding if that helps
No, I’m talking from Az up to Utah. But restudying the map I see a shorter route is possible, plus you could get on to the I-15 Interstate quicker.
OH sorry!
I happen to know the Hwy. 89 vs. I-15 question — as I’ve said before, I come from Mormon country! Even though I-15 appears to track waaaay out of the way from Phoenix or Tucson to Salt Lake City, you avoid going around the Grand Canyon and then through Escalante. Hwy. 89 is a windy, often mountainous route that only looks more direct on a map.
For what it’s worth, I never knew anyone to take anything more than (at most) an empty emergency gas can when driving in a lot of those areas. Not even in really sparsely populated places like Wyoming and Idaho. However….to someone from California….maybe those routes between major cities would seem desolate enough to carry some extra gas with you.
And…..wasn’t other solid evidence presented of her presence from the time she went off the route towards Mesa until the time she got back on the route she would have taken if she hadn’t digressed? Coming from southern California, she’d probably have taken I-15, not I-80, but if I recall, she digressed to Mesa and back on Hwy 93/I-40. Didn’t she actually leave tangible evidence of herself somewhere in that loop?
Well sure, evidence at the scene. But this goes to whether or not there was premeditation.
And MAYBE the some on the jury aren’t buying it.
I don’t know what questions were left out written by the jurors, BUT we know some were and they had ro be more than about the gas cans, whether or not Jodi enjoyed sex EVERY time and if she has a mental or memory problems. I think the one with those problems is Martiez.
I did the math on that also and it’s exactly what I was arguing with the HLN sheep.
$36.98 = 9.5 gallons ……these are the gas cans
$41.18 = 10.6 gallons ……this is the car
she starts the car and realizes tank isn’t full and auto shut off was early (previously filled the car at $46.11 at a Shell station so it’s not unlikely that she assumed it was full)
$19.65 = 5 gallons…..gets back out and finishes filling the car till it over-spills
anyone who argues that it’s not possible or has never had the pump stop early is a liar
Travis Alexander house
https://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&q=11428+E.+Queensborough+ave,+mesa+arizona&ie=UTF-8
It’s for sale too!
Nice looking house, wonder how much it is up for sale for? And, no way would I want to live there.
The family living in the house now were not told of the house “history” prior to buying it, but they apparently got it for a good price, according to the neighbors.
SJ
Team Jodi
Surprising. I thought there were laws that Realators had to disclose that type of info. Probably not in AZ. I won’t be moving there.
Not in every state. Where I live, the realtor/seller must disclose IF asked, but does not have to volunteer the info. I saw online a few weeks ago that the JonBenet Ramsey house is for sale in CO for a song. My husband said that he would be happy to live there if it were a bargain. I told him that he’s have to fly solo on that mission!
LOL. It is a beautiful home, if you can get past it’s history.
I’d never want to live there either!
me neither.creepy..wouldnt want any ”visitors”!
Here’s the link and the specs given on the home: http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/11428-E-Queensborough-Ave-Mesa-AZ-85212/55275691_zpid/
Here is the link on the selling price and specs on the home:http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/11428-E-Queensborough-Ave-Mesa-AZ-85212/55275691_zpid/
OK, so this is petty. And small. And truly inconsequential. But it has really been bugging me. A lot. And I need to vent about it, but my family is tired of hearing me talk about this case, they don’t care anymore, and they wouldn’t get the nuances of my beef anyway. So please indulge me here.
By way of background: I have been watching CourtTV as long as some of you have been alive. Since Steve Brill, and Cynthia McFadden, and Jack Ford. Since Menendez I. It literally shaped the course of my career and therefore my life. So I feel really stupid harping on this. But I will anyway.
A couple of days ago, Beth Karas (whom before this trial, I regarded as one of the last holdouts of the pre-Turner, legitimate reporting ethos, against the Babylonian circus that the “channel” became) made a huge effort to point out that Jodi has repeatedly, and at great affront to the sanity of Ms. Karas, used the non-word “de-edify” when in fact she ought to have said “disedify.” So I say, “Congratulations Little Miss Mt. Holyoke (Or Similar), Law School Graduate, Former Manhattan Prosecutor, National Broadcasting Personality. Your command of the English language is ever so slightly superior to that of a high school dropout who has been incarcerated with a bunch of illiterates for 5 years who is also on trial for her life and has been on the stand for over a month. You win.”
Did beth say she was guilty of murder because of that too? LOL I see your point. Beth was sued along with NG for slander. They settled.
Well, maybe not guilty of murder, but for sure a liar!
Mike Brooks is the one with the keen legal mind and tongue to close the loop on her incontrovertible guilt!
LOL Wasn’t he an investigator before all this?
I think so. I long ago stopped listening to him. My IQ drops precipitously when I do.
Mine too. He is soooo annoying with his every comment dripping with sarcasm because he lacks the skills to verbally fight any other way.
I am a big fan of his and Vinnie’s reenactment of the lunge. If I were JM I would totally bring them in for my rebuttal. Oh, wait. That might mean that JM could use assistance from somebody else or that his case might benefit in the most remote way from input from someone else. Never mind. Yes or No? RIGHT?
Who’s the one douche on In Session who always ends his stupid commentary with “Are ya KIDDIN’ me?”
Is it that Joey guy with the too expensive suits?
Oh yeah? How about Kermit’s use of the word, “irrespective:???? That’s one of my pet peeves!
Oh, and can someone help me with some math? NG just said, she has interviewed “tens of thousands of witnesses” in her career as a prosecutor. Really? I’m thinking tens would have to mean 11 or more, and 11 or more of thousands, and that would be at least 11,000 witness interviews? How many years was she a prosecutor? And how many a day would that work out to be?
Oh, and it also just came to me how PPL helped “expunge” TA’s record. With your membership in PPL, they give you these special glasses, kinda like 3D, and when you wear them, all the bad stuff stuff disappears!
And author of the upcoming book on TA/TM,Ms. Shannon Hogan is feeling the heat. I believe she may have been duped as well by the Travesites. Time….and hopefully the Riverside Police Dept. will tell!
201 Signed! Or should I say hundreds and hundreds?:)
http://www.change.org/petitions/trial-by-media-is-wrong-stop-the-spin-headline-news-hln-nancy-grace-jane-velez-mitchell-jean-casarez-vinnie-politan-dr-drew
Maybe PPL issues magic sunglasses that match Travis’s underwear.
Spideyman Glasses!
You’ve got me thinking about NG math. Admittedly, many people go to law school instead of pursuing some other path for the very reason that they stink at math. Maybe Nancy has applied this same metric to her “winning” prosecutorial record. Maybe she’s put thousands of murderers in prison? Hundreds on death row? Tens executed?
Actually Jou, read what NG wiki page, interesting and there’s a reason why she isn’t a prosecutor any more.
tens of hundreds, lol!
Tens of hundreds, haha! Gonna use that one, if you don’t mind:)
http://www.change.org/petitions/trial-by-media-is-wrong-stop-the-spin-headline-news-hln-nancy-grace-jane-velez-mitchell-jean-casarez-vinnie-politan-dr-drew
FYI – “Irrespective” is an actual word and JM has been using it correctly. I believe the word (not) you may be referring to as your ‘pet peeve’ is “irregardless”. I’ve been following the site for several weeks and, while I find the posts well thought out and extremely intuitive, it has bothered me that there seems to be so much “slamming” of people on “the other side” on a personal level. Whether or not someone is short, pickle-faced, looks like a rat, fat, etc. has absolutely no bearing on how they perform their job, express their opinons, or show their feelings. Comments such as these have distracted me at times from being able to fully delve in to the excellent points being debated here.
You’re going to the other side to register your complaints with them for their comments toward the defense right? Since it bothers you so much???
Aren’t the handslappers fun? I loved being spanked like a toddler by someone who thinks that we shouldn’t joke around on the Internet. I also hope that this person is admonishing the pro-pros boards for their comments about Jodi being ugly, Nurmi being fat and lazy, Jodi’s mother being a rude cow, Donovan being a butch, etc.
yes, irregardless isn’t a word that he uses quite a bit too.
“Irregardless” is not a word. I also hate the use of the word “amongst” instead of “among” although “amongst” is a word. It is usually used in literature rather than in the real world.
“Anyways” is one that sticks in my craw because there is no such word.
Last I checked, no one on here is calling for anyone to have a needle put in their arm, nor advocating killing anyone on the prosecution side.
It’s on YOU if you are unable to delve into conversation simply based on that. I am not so easily distracted, but I can see how other people might be, and that is something you might consider working on.
I guess calling JODI a Booty Call making disparaging Remarks which are obviously Sexist is OK because the Media tells You its OK, The media tells U who to vote for who to like who to hate, so we no longer own our own brains Martinez is a disgrace to a profession that should seek the truth not insight a HIGH TECH LYNCHING. From what I hear seems that Nurmi is insulted WAY more then Martinez. The way the haters of Arias act is reminiscent of NAZI SKIN HEADS!!!
I will take issue with the part of what you said that relates to my previous posts. I’ll leave those to whom the balance of your comment applies ably to defend themselves. Juan Martinez is short. I don’t know exactly how short, but from what I’ve seen, he’s about the same height as Atty Wilmott, who, if memory serves, claims to be 5’1″ or so. For a woman, that’s on the short side. For a man, that is statistically significantly short. For a woman, it can be viewed by society and potential romantic partners as an attractive quality. Generally, at least neutral. For a man, being short- particularly being THIS short can be demonstrably damaging to a man’s self esteem. Much of Juan Martinez’s questionable performance in this trial (eg, not utilizing a second chair, getting in verbal skirmishes with Jodi, focusing on minutiae, attacking his own witnesses, failing to modulate his tone, need I go on?) can be attributed, at least in part, to his height. I’ll concur with my fellow posters and point out, that here are other sites whose posters would benefit far more from a lesson in civility than we, and that you could probably be helped immensely by an infusion of some sense of humor yourself.
THAT IS SO GOOD HE IS SHORT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Even the most intelligent people lose command of proper grammar at times.
True dat. My point is that Jodi, despite her lack of formal education, speaks in a remarkably eloquent and complex way. Beth, with all of her apparent advantages, is bothered by this relatively minor linguistic tic, and deems it somehow relevant to the proceedings. Which to me begs the question: “who’s the idiot?”
All of those folks seem to find relevance to this trial in the most trivial and inconsequential things. All I can do is shake my head at the idiocy of them, joujoubaby.
Jou, I agree with you. I watched Court TV when it first came out and they were more fair and balanced. But the other day, I had switched on anderson cooper, they were talking about this case and Beth said JA stabbed TA in the heart. She has been in the courtroom everyday and knows that TA was never stabbed in the heart. This case has made me lose any respect I had for her. By the way look at the bright side-In session is now only a 2 hour show from 9am to 11am- schedule change by network and Beth along with Jean, was let go. Once this case is over, they will no longer be working. Possible because those two weren’t as rabid as the rest.
When CourtTV came out and had the first nationally broadcast gavel-to-gavel coverage, I remember a lot of debate about how it would affect the integrity of the process. I was, along with Brill, of the mind that shining a light on a previously exclusive and somewhat mysterious world would work to improve and ensure fairness by making things public. It’s turned into a virtual lynch mob (I wonder how all of these ‘Tall Tale of St Travis’ peddling Mormons, whose religious history is rife with abuses of mobs and and overreaching government, feel being part of this echoing travesty). I’m not sorry to see it go.
“Stabbed in the heart” is common rhetoric on the hater sites, thanks to HLN. It isn’t true though; the ME said that the heart/surrounding sac were not punctured. The vena cava was.
I know, joujoubaby. Sure, it should’ve been “disedify.” What a triumph! The average person wouldn’t be sure about an uncommon word like that.
What really bugs me is that they try to “get” her on the words she HAS used correctly: like “pejorative” and “ravish.” These are words that any reader will know fairly well. I’ll bet the PPL crowd despised Jodi for her “fancy” talk. Travis himself used Jodi for her editing skills, but refused to credit her.
And based on what I read that that other, properly credited woman did edit, I say that he relied on Jodi quite a lot.
Yeah. I could only read a few sentences, because it was too painful–and not painful in the way he intended. I don’t think any legitimate publications were in his future. Unless, maybe, he got to the point where he could PAY someone to ghost write for him.
Why pay someone when you can humiliate, kick, berate, and manipulate someone who far outpaces you intellectually and verbally until she will “willingly” does it for free?
Yes. I don’t know if it’s just me … but his refusal to credit her, and the way she asked him in that email to understand that this lack of recognition wounded her … THAT–though it’s the least sensational detail of his abuses–was more poignant to me than the name-calling and violent sexual fantasies. I may sound crazy, but, to me, this was his ultimate devaluation of who she was. And, he did it so casually.
OOOooo, Pique! I had an eerily similar response! I told myself that it was because it was one of the few (if not only) instances of Travis’s poor behavior for which she took no responsibility, and didn’t try to deflect, minimize, or justify.
Yes, yes–that too! That was part of my emotional response, joujou! She didn’t NAME the other stuff he did and said–and apparently she still doesn’t–but she did name that one. It was the one that broke through.
Yeah, apparently “contemporaneous” is one of those big fancy words that Jodi found on a “Word of the Day” calendar…LOL.
The thing about “contemporaneous” and “de-edify” is that they are a little bit odd for repeated use on the stand. But all that says to me is that, in addition to being a reader, Jodi is a little bit odd.
I’ve been reading some of that “Armchair Diagnosis” thread on another website, where they are discussing Jodi’s possible personality disorder(s). I don’t think anyone over there has suggested (mild) Asperger’s Syndrome or non-verbal learning disability. My own daughter mildly fits that profile, and having a good vocabulary, and a good grip on language mechanics, seems to keep her feeling anchored and secure in the social realm where things can get confusing and lonely for her. People like that can sound oddly pedantic. Mind you, Jodi is being tried for killing someone, so the more benign armchair diagnoses tend not to come up as often!
LOL!!!
OK now you all have me afraid to write anything. I will just blame all my grammatical errors on my concussion. LOL
Not at all, TR. That is, so long as you don’t denigrate others whose verbal skills may fall slightly short of your own. Everybody has a typo now and then.
Like you, Beth has completely turned me off. I can no longer listen to her or look at her. She makes me sick kike the rest. AND what about Joey Jackson.
He has been grinning like a jack ass every time thry show him or ask him something.
I now before this is over they’re going to have to put Vinnie and Brooks in a mental ward.
I’m not kidding!
And look at Vinnie’s promo for his show-something like watching him will improve your life in so many ways. Well I think my new life’s motto will be ignorance is bliss, if I have to look to him to make my life better.
Making it better?
Yeah, I know mine would be better after watching him. His eyes get real big and talk about looking creepy???
The ONE that made his day was when the juror asked if you lied before how can we believe you?
He loves to play that one over and over.
I think you can believe her.
She lies when she thinks the lies would have helped Travis.
I don’t recall her having a life time of lies.
I’ve heard Vinnie and his elk lie a lot. Can I believe them now.
No and I don’t trust or believe any of the so called jounalist Tabloid News/
I should add these talking heads that have so much power over the TV
and sheep that watch them should NOT be so biased OR leave.
There should be some oath that they have to follow. Yet they LIE and effect their listeners
and it’s OK?
I caught that segment but I do not believe Jodi was wrong in her pronunciation sometimes there are 2 pronunciations to a word, we have for instance Celtic Keltic, That woman is a nasty person, and I suppose because Ms Arias uses language quite well even to her detriment at times ,this must have made that small minded woman jealous so in an obvious catty manner she made an effort to downgrade her this was very unprofessional & transparent and plain nasty.Unlike Casey Anthony’s Attorney who was so nice.
Jodi meant not to take away his God like worship DEIFY means God like perhaps worship. So her meaning was take away the Reputation the appearance of the Image many had of him, or pretended to have, which is a current theme with The Morman’s that is the truth squeaky clean image on the outside.
In a cult you do not attack the leader. There really is no worship of a higher being then yourself its the cult leader. If I recall Lucifer or The Devil Stated Ye Can Be Like Gods, and many see unlike Christianity that Mormonism is very similar to Satanism. Especially since the Founder was a Criminal & degenerate.
Beth Karas is wrong her word is completely different in meaning then what Jodi Arias was saying
dis edify is really used more in the context Of the injure the morals or piety of shock higher sensibilities or religious feelings. Which has nothing to do with What Jodi was saying. COURT TV is just another entertainment tonight.
I’ve been watching Court TV since the very early days too (Dahmer trial), and I know what you mean!
Thank you for this site!!!!!! I didn’t know anything about this until I started watching the trial. I have been berated by family members because I think there is more to this story. They see the news and have a judgment of guilty.
Question: does anyone else have a question of how all of this took place in 2 minutes? Has anyone ever tried to move dead weight?
Welcome Cindy, you have a lot of reading to do, lol. I still don’t know how she got him over the ledge in the shower??? Dragging him is one thing, maybe, but actually lifting him up and his final position doesn’t sound right to me.
TB Thanks. I have found out more about this case from this site then sitting if front of the TV day after day.
The roomate knows more besides how could anyone stay in a house that smelled?
I have a (relatively baseless) theory as to how the photos could show a time lapse of only roughly two minutes: If the dragging/accidental photo took place after the gun shot, but before the stab wounds.
We all assume she dragged him after the stab wounds, but I don’t know that there’s any iron-clad basis for that assumption. There’s blood visible in the photo, but a gun shot wound would also bleed. If anything, I should think there would be more blood visible if the fatal throat wound had already been inflicted at that point.
My husband said there is no way that Jodi could have moved that much dead weight. He ought to know since he served in Special Forces in the US Army.
On a general sort of basis, I got to thinking about Jodi as just Jodi.
You have a beautiful young lady who definitely shows that she does in fact have a sharp mind. This was a person who could have done anything she wanted, and been anything. And all her life she’s been dumped on.
Her father whipped her with a belt! I hope there’s a special place in hell for someone like that. I can remember from my childhood overhearing my parents talk about hearing about some neighbor who took a belt to his kid. My mother was crying. For kids she didn’t even know. That’s where I come from. I can’t imagine being beaten with belts and wooden spoons. That life has to be hell and not to be wished on any child, anywhere. I don’t know how you get over that. Fathers slapping teenage daughters because they skipped class or something minor that all teenagers do. Man Oh Man! People using implements for punishing a child? You only do that to maximize the hurt. What kind of animal wants to maximize the hurt to their own child? I am at a loss here.
And she left home. Wouldn’t you?
She has low self esteem. Wouldn’t most in those circumstances.
She took up with older men. Bobby Juarez and Daryl whatshisname. Do you think maybe she was looking for some father figure?
And then she gets in with this frickin rapist. This guy TA was weird. How the hell can you hire your ex or current girlfriend to clean your house? WTF? And keep going after her (remember she said he would court her). These predator types recognize those who are weak and keep after them.
Good Lord, how much is one person supposed to stand?
Couldn’t have said it any better, Al! Great post…..
I find it particularly repugnant that commentators like Dr. Drew and Beth Karas have characterized this abuse as “relatively minor.” I wonder if either of them was subjected to anything similar as children.
I WAS Jodi Aria about 35 years ago and the memories of the abuse I withstood are still with me.
SD this case kicks up a lot of bad memories doesn’t it? I know for me it does. On the face of it I had a nice childhood, a big house, lots of siblings, food on the table every night. If you dig a bit deeper my home was a house of horrors for me. Jodi may have come to realize, or maybe not completely yet, that the life she lived was full of heartaches, fear, loneliness, and allowing Travis to treat her the way he did was abuse and degrading to her soul. She has had a lot of time to think about it, as she said on the stand what is different now is “time”.
I am 46 yrs old and for the first time in my life, I am able to review my life and see everything clearly, for the first time. It took me years to even mouth the words aloud that have haunted me for so long, that I was molested.
It is so easy to point the finger at Jodi and say shes a sicko, she’s a whore, blahblahblah yadda yadda but I see something totally different. I see a vulnerable young lady that was desperate for love, to feel loved, and using all of the worst things to go about getting it. I suspect she equated sex with love, as I did myself.
Very well said. I relate to it as I’m sure others on this site do also.
Well said Trixels. Its hard to mistake something for love when you haven’t seen the real thing.
I meant easy to mistake ……..
hear ye hear ye agree
”desperate for love”.That wou;d be my ultimate Jodi definition.Isnt it kinda telling how she was never single?She HAD to identify herself through the eyes of a partner(remember how willing and short term her conversion to Mormonism was).Even when she wasnt in a relationship she either was having sex with Travis and/or communicarting with potential love interests.IMHO,that’s someone who feels cut in half,these kind of people cannot even begin to imagine being single even for a short period of time because they need a partner to feel safe and WHOLE.Security is not there if they are single,which of course in this case along with the low self esteem had to be linked to childhood.
great post al….it was flyswatters in my family.
Al- as always, great post and completely on target!
Al,
I agree.
And one of the things that got me most, her dad pushing her???
That is just unheard of.
The PROBLEM is that premeditation doesn’t have to be a well thought out plan like most all of us are thinking — premediation can be established in a matter of seconds or minutes according to AZ law. If the jury believes she had other options (like running out the front door), they may find premeditation. I think she is holding up VERY WELL on the stand. I know I couldn’t do it!!
That may be the law but I dont understand that interpretation of pre-med at all. It seems vague as to intentionally keep second degree – heat of passion out. Because obviously that can be formed in a thought too.
JC,
Here’s how this works. Lets say you are doing something to another person, but you have no clear intention of taking their life, but that act causes a loss of life, then it falls into the un/non premeditated homicide class. So two guys get into a fight and they’re whaling away at each other and one dies, but the other had no intention of killing him, that’s manslaughter or some lower level of homicide.
Now if you undertake an action where the intention is to kill the person, it doesn’t matter how much time elapsed between the forming of that intention and the action. That is still premeditated homicide. And that’s not just AZ, that’s pretty much anywhere.
The exception to this rule of course is self defense. A self defense claim has some pretty tough standards that must be met. Firstly the person must have a reasonable fear of loss of life or limb. Secondly, in most states, the person should also be reasonably certain that escape is not an option. lastly the level to which one acts must be only to the extent that it removes the threat.
The heat of passion argument is reserved for the following type of instance. You get angry about something, you loose control and things just get out of hand. However, no where in the whole process did you intend to kill the person. You may have meant bodily harm but your intention was not death. That’s second degree murder. Manslaughter s one step lower. You may not even have intended bodily harm, but death resulted – e.g. vehicular manslaughter is a car accident.
This should now clarify certain things for you and also show you where the danger lies in this case. The reason Nurmi and JM keep asking her why she didn’t run away. That is to see the answer to the last resort issue. The reason Nurmi keeps bringing up the prior acts is to show she had a reasonable fear of loss of life or limb. The reason JM keeps harping on the fact that he stopped in the past is to show that she did not have a reasonable expectation of loss of life. The reason they keep messing with the order of events is because they want to show that there was some stage at which TA was incapacitated and she could have stopped. That shows that the response was not a last resort type issue.
My real fear here is not the gun shot or any of the other wounds. It is that damn neck wound. By the time she did that she had control of the situation.
“My real fear here is not the gun shot or any of the other wounds. It is that damn neck wound. By the time she did that she had control of the situation.”
Right, Al. In order for her to inflict that kind of wound, he had to have been incapacitated by that point. This is what you mean?
Yup
Well….yes…it would seem like by the point of the neck wound she would have been in control. Really, it seems like at the point of the gunshot, she would have had some degree of control over the situation.
So here’s another relatively baseless theory (following on my earlier one that the dragging occurred between the gunshot and the stabbing): If the dragging occurred before the stab wounds, he was unconscious (or at least not alert) at the time. What if he regained consciousness?
Remember those old horror movies where they decisively kill the bad guy and then there’s a pregnant pause, some relaxing music — and then the bad guy leaps back up and attacks again and you were startled out of your skin!
My Relatively Baseless Theory goes something like that: She shoots, he lunges, they fall to the floor, he loses consciousness, she drags him (snapping the photo), he regains consciousness and attacks — now they’re both defending themselves from each other. In the process of seemingly “coming back to life,” he scares the living shit out of her, prompting the stabbing and eventual overkill.
If I recall correctly, most of the stab wounds were relatively superficial, except for the one to the chest and the horrifying one to the throat. Was there any evidence as to the order of the stab wounds?
Wouldn’t the logical way to drag dead weight be by the feet? I know if I were trying to drag my much heavier DH, I would do it that way.
I agree with the drag between the gunshot and stabbing. Someone or autopsy said
there were bruises on his ankles and shins. (That might be from a drag by the
legs/feet.) I thought she once said they fell .on the floor with Travis on top of her.
Someone previously had speculated that was when she was stabbing him on the
back.Still can not imagine her putting him in the shower in that position!
Okay I understand it now! Thanks:-) So is this what they call an imperfect self defense? I’ve heard that term used before with this case.
I wonder if there is a way in which what started as self defense can turn into 2nd degree or manslaughter. I wonder if that’s ever been tried legally. I can sure see the scenario, and it wouldn’t surprise me at all.
Someone attacks you. You set out to defend yourself. The attacker keeps coming at you. You keep fighting. At some stage the attacker stops but you don’t. What is that?
One second you’re fighting for your life. Next second you have to stop and rationalize whether you’ve gone far enough. That seems a little too much to expect.
I think it’s overkill. Like you just keep going out of fear, and not really think that they are no longer fighting back,
Alternately, and this may be off base, but this whole blood atonement thing that has been thrown around, what if she started off stabbing him in self defense, and when she realized that she had gone too far, and that he would never survive it, she slit his throat as a way for him to be atoned for all his sins? (and I really hope nobody gets mad at me for saying this).
I mean, she doesn’t remember what happened, could this be at all possible?
And I only say this because we don’t really know what she was taught about Mormon beliefs. It is possible she was taught about the blood atonement thing.
If she didn’t know the details of the Law of Chastity, then I can’t imagine that she knew of blood atonement.
Some Mormons claim that blood atonement was never practiced by the mainstream LDS church. It’s been mentioned by the FLDS cult.
IMO, the blood atonment issue has no role in this case.
Interesting…that’s never been my understanding of second-degree murder though. From this site:
“Second-degree murder is ordinarily defined as 1) an intentional killing that is not premeditated or planned, nor committed in a reasonable “heat of passion” or 2) a killing caused by dangerous conduct and the offender’s obvious lack of concern for human life. Second-degree murder may best be viewed as the middle ground between first-degree murder and voluntary manslaughter.”
http://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-charges/second-degree-murder-definition.html
That’s what I remember learning in criminal justice class.
Case in point: George Zimmerman is charged with second-degree murder in the death of Trayvon Martin. He shot Trayon in the chest – that to me shows more than just intent to cause bodily harm. Of course, I don’t know about AZ law specifically.
J-C Team the Prosecutor is trying to frame this premeditation from the trip itself that she planned to Murder Travis and go on her Merry way to the Other Guys house & cover her tracks etc. So his theory is that she planned this from the beginning. Greta on FOX disagrees because you do not take two weapons to kill someone with. Since the Gunshot was a mistake the cruel in humane offense stab wounds were instigated by her fearing for her life. So I suppose Nurmi is being careful.
That isn’t what the prosecution’s theory is–don’t put something there that isn’t there.
They can’t prove squat.
Don’t pretend you know what the jury instructions are.
Well the prosecution seems to be arguing that the premeditation goes way back to when she left Yreka. I think they’re doing that because its easier to prove than an intention that arose in a split second. But Piper is right. That instantaneous thing has held up in court.
Then every self defense case would be subject to this….
Al and Piper, premeditation in a split second forethought means there is a thought something like “I want to kill this person”. Jodi at no time said she had any thought like that.
Your right. She could’ve been fighting for her life till the end. TA was a big healthy man!
The prosecution still has to PROVE beyond a reasonable doubt that the premeditation occurred. That’s why JM is so focused on the stolen .25, the gas cans, the hair dye, the license plates, the car color, and any other various red herring he can pull out of his third hole.
Right tonysam, and plus the whole “premeditation in an instant” requires a motive. There is no evidence that Jodi stalked Travis, or that Jodi was jealous about the trip at all. The phone sex tape shows that they were making plans after the trip. She didn’t even know he was going to Cancun with Mimi Hall until after the killing. There’s no evidence that Jodi ever attacked her ex-lovers, the fact that she remains friends with them even after what happened shows that she is capable of accepting that relationships change and evolve.
MB and Natalie
You’re right. Something has to precipitate the thought. For instance a guys robbing a store. Innocent shopper walks in. The robber shoots to stop being identified. That’s premeditated. Of course that’s also felony murder.
So for that to hold what the heck happened here? All in a matter of 3 minutes or less. They’re taking pictures. Something happens and she says I’m going to kill him. Couldn’t be that he called her a name. He’d done that before. Couldn’t be he told her he was going to Cancun with Mimi Hall. He’d already done that. Couldn’t be that he disparaged someone she loved, he’d done that before. Couldn’t be any of those things. The only thing it could possibly be was that he got physical. That would then give weight to her self defense claim. The little man can’t quite say, well he slapped you and so you killed him. Right?
That’s why JM’s trying this all the way back to when she left Yreka thing.
I think that Travis did get physical with Jodi, and that’s what set this off. It might not have been a body slam, but at least a hard push that knocked her over or a slap.
You are right as I stated above the Jury Instructions will be premeditated has COMMON SENSE DICTATES. Makes NO sense 27 stab wounds. No one plans such a mess. She could have shot him in the head while he was sleeping.
I couldn’t have said it better, myself, Oliviero. Sometime I think the trees of this case get lost for the forest. I believe that this case will be won or lost in the JURY INSTRUCTIONS. Regardless of how you read the tea leaves of the juror questions, the one thing that seems indisputable to me is that the jury is serious, considered, conscientious, and attentive…. the sort that would tend to take those instructions seriously. Or so I hope.
joujoubaby good point about Jurors I think they will see that aspect of the case,!
Guys, we have the “convenient truthseekers” on the run for real! Just got blocked from Joey Jackson’s pages! Woohooo! Interesting, how true, official facts are not wanted,but something like this is welcomed. That’s gonna look really bad for Joey at some point…..But JaneCasarus Rex actually replied politely- smart woman she is! What a whackadoo world we live in! From Joey Jackson’s site:
CW Padden
CW’s Soapbox: Why is Travis condemned for calling IT a 3 hole wonder and a slut? Because that’s what she is!!! NO man will say that to a decent woman unless she has debased herself. As my late father always told us” remember the woman always sets the standard, and if he can’t meet your then say good bye to him. He not only said that as our father but as a man knowing men’s nature when it comes to sex. IT has no moral compass and that is evident for all to see. So don’t blame Travis, he was only calling it the way IT was and was he telling any lie? I don’t think so. Maybe that should have been a wake up call to her.
he only posted what was posted before on that facebook page though. People think now he’s vetted the info when he has only shared another’s opinion of the info we presented.
There we go again. It’s the woman’s fault. Is this another case of she was asking to be raped by the way she dressed?
And not all men are that way. I’m a man. I would no sooner debase a woman than bite a tiger. And no my fantasies don’t run to tying women to trees and anally raping them, or finding the orgasms of 12-year olds hot. Heck, wouldn’t even know what that sounds like. Or tootsie pops and pop rocks and little girl outfits, or Spiderman underwear, or cruising around on Christmas eve looking for young boys to keep me warm, or all the other depraved bilge running through this guys deviant brain. And then he finds some pure lost soul who goes along with him and now its all her fault.
That’s just sick.
It is absolutely disgraceful to depersonalize Jodi by calling her an “it.” Well, I guess these people are cut from the same cloth as Travis.
Well said Al!
But calling Travis “pedo” and saying the world is better off without him isn’t dehumanizing him? Both those things are repeated on this site more than once. I wish they weren’t.
I keep harping on this point, but it’s important: @Al, it’s entirely possible to be a respectful, non-abusive man, who does not behave in a degrading way towards women….AND to have kinky sexual fantasies that, if acted out in real life would be degrading. Just like a woman can have a fantasy about being raped and that doesn’t mean she wants to be raped in real life.
Fantasies =/= actions. Even kinky fantasies about illegal, shameful things do NOT mean the person would act them out nor find them arousing in real life. Humans are complicated sexually that way.
Those kinds of fantasies are weird though. Sorry, but they are. I’ve never dated any guy who was into that.
Thank you so much for your comment, Jesse. Well said.
Absolutely Al. I wish more decent men would speak out like you.
Wow those people are jerks I never heard of CW Padden? I think the name calling is just plain disrespectful an especially from a Supposedly Godly Man of the LDS Church……ya I have been told they are not Mormons. Whatever why is that Book Called Book Of Mormon then ? But then we know men that talk like that have a problem with women that give into sex. They use them an marry the ones that do not give in an then continue to seek out bad girls it seems forever more.
I worked with men all my life in jobs there were dominated by men I have seen it all an I have seen some actually decent men that thought those users were disgusting also. I don’t know why but I have a feeling it goes back to childhood an how men feel about their mothers I really do.
My grandma used to say yes Hens Cackle but the Roosters always got to tell the whole neighbor hood the story.
OH, Rhonda,
That was priceless.lol
never heard that saying before. Love it.
What was Jeans polite response?
Chicken blocked you!
Not surprised, BUT what happens to his defense lawyer business.
I wouldn’t use him.
He can give an opinion, bit doesn’t want one from you?
All he does he repeat himself.
Is this poster living in 1950? Such disgusting and archaic views of women…ugh.
I read a good while ago Jodi being referred to as ”it”.It made me physically sick,right to my stomack and having to re readi it here had the exact same effect.These people are mentally disturbed,there cant be any other logical reason,sorry.
Maybe we do live in a patriarchal,mysogynistic society after all…
A good question that has not been addressed: Did any of the roommates run the dishwasher any time between 6/4 & 6/9? Were the dishes, silver, knives clean when the police were called and they started their investigation?
Looking at the pics of the dishwasher, it looks clean. meaning possible turn on. When I put dishes in mine slop gets dropped on the door. Very clean dishwasher for a house of men
Don’t be knocking us guys. When my wife’s out of town me and the son have a real clean dishwasher too. We eat out.
Lol
LOL2
LOL!
Again, looks like SOMEONE was cleaning. Do you see the cleaning spray bottle next to the knife block???
I would like to pose this question to the Travis-towners. With regards to the criminal charges, this is what you would like us to believe:
On March 7 2002 an individual who was not Travis Alexander was charged with several crimes. This individual claimed to be Travis Alexander using identification that he had stolen. Right so far? Good. Then at some point this identity thief gave $515 to the court trust and also showed up for all court appearances so they could be sentenced, all while pretending to be Travis Alexander. Is this correct?
So let me recap, because I need to make sure I understand this. A thief, who stole Travis’ ID, and who also committed the crimes of burglary, shoplifting and several counts of battery, was nice enough to pay $515 in trust to the court and make all court appearances so as to not get in trouble, even though he was pretending to be someone he wasn’t? Wow, that is one really kind hearted criminal!!!
Ain’t that the truth!
SJ
Team Jodi
Dog,
Not just that but he also spent 5 days in the hoosegow as Travis Alexander, just so that when the cops actually went looking, the real Travis wouldn’t get into trouble.
Not just big hearted but dumb too.
LOL I love that word, hoosegow!
Dog, you just took the thoughts from my mind!!!
A true identity thief would run and never come back to take care of it. And, if it weren’t really Travis, he could have gotten it taken care of simply by comparing fingerprints and photos.
He left for Mesa leaving his family and friends around that time. Interesting!!
He very well could have had his friends and family snowed into believing the “identitiy theft” story. Travis was a salesman, after all. He managed to parlay this tale into a PPL advertisement.
lol brilliant!
Well said Dog…5 years ago my cousin in Tennessee was a victim of identity theft…he quit his construction job and was in the office picking up his last payroll check..later they believed that a co-worker had seen his ss number that was on a record on the secretary’s desk…
It took years before they traced it back to the co-worker…the co-worker had to spend several years in jail…and he is already out…and my cousin is still cleaning up the mess that the co-worker created using his identity…
And today…he told me just recently that he still has issues concerning the identity theft…
And this co-worker NEVER paid any money back to my cousin…my cousin never got an apology…DITTO…
It is very easy to understand if you look at the record, and know what you are seeing. They plead guilty at arraignment, and paid the 515 not as bail, but as fines. Fine money is always kept and applied later just as the record shows — it is because of the way the $ flows in the court. In the beginning it is held as a trust – an escrow type of trust – and is later released.
This guy was arrested, served 5 days, was arraigned, plead guilty at arraignment, was sentenced to 5 days and fines, got credit for the 5 he was in, paid the fines and was released. He then just remained on probation with the terms ordered, which did not require appearance.
I have posted this before. I am wondering why it disappears. It is all based on what the record shows – ie what must be true – and not speculation, so why delete it?
And it is interesting to note Dustin Thompson had serious drivers license problems at the time of the incident as well as noting he later faced similar charges as Travis was charged with, and DT’s charges included ID theft.
You are posting on different pages, they have not been deleted.
And it is speculation unless you were there. You can know how things normally work…but you ARE just speculating based on reading the charges…
The only way to know it wasn’t Travis is to see the booking photo and compare fingerprints. Anything else is conjecture.
So if all of this was cleared up in an hour, then why are the charges still under Travis’ name 11 years later?
Hahaaaa yea TA probably tracked down this person (like the movie Identity Theft) n MADE this person pay!!
I saw that movie last night and was laughing thinking about Travis’ identity theft claims.
I just want all of you to know that I am so happy to have found people who can think and look at things in an objective manner without getting caught up in the hype that people provide. Others who are able to look at a situation from the many different angles that are present in real life.
It gives me hope in humankind again that there are people out there who can see the multivariate circumstances that we all have. And that there is a tiny percentage of us with compassion.
(Yes, I do have compassion for Travis’ emotional and physical weaknesses, but I have more compassion for Jodi because of the abuse she suffered and that fact that she was forced to defend her life.)
Of course, I am still disgusted with all the blood-thirsty throngs, and yet I also pity them for being unable to utilize their 2 brain cells to their fullest capacity.
You give them too much credit for having 2 brain cells.
LOLOLOL
probably so 🙂
You two are funny. 🙂
Amen to that BeeCee
me too Bee Cee,feeling grateful foe everyone here! <3
Okay, was just reading on Joey Jackson’s FB page and they have the story about TA record and stolen identity. My question is this, is there anyone here who lives in the riverside ca area that would be willing to go to the court tomorrow to get a copy of this. Because I have a feeling, since HLN is in close contact with TA’s family, that there will be someone getting this record expunged as soon as they can and since he is dead would they express the process? I would be willing to donate a few bucks for whoever can go.
I would but its a 4,002 km trip for me. Might not make it there by tomorrow.
And we have a friend from the north, eh?
Can they get it expunged after the fact? I would think they couldn’t. I would think the Travis himself would have to do it.
But, truthfully I have had no experience in that aspect of life…
not sure either BeeCee
I seriously doubt they can expunge the record of a dead man.
Besides, anybody can screenshot that record from the internet.
I would love to do that, but I’m on the East coast. I sure hope Nurmi and comapny are on this.
the sister is a police officer and I’m sure she is aware of all the talk her on this site about her brother … I bet she will move heaven and earth to get it out of the Jodi’s case to keep the death penalty on the table .. I remember JM saying to the judge he wanted the family to be present in the court when the jury’s questions were being discussed before the jury was seated … So I’m sure their a lot of mormons the will do what ever it takes to get rid of this evedince and excuse the spelling
What do people here thank about the Mormon blood atonement theory? At first, I thought this was just some more horseshit, however after further review, it does make for some interesting reading. Especially, when you find out about people getting shot and having their throats cut for redemption. This is a practice that some fundentmentlist sects still believe in today according to this video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcOszCVeclw&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Brigham Young is quoted a lot on the topic of blood atonement. Just google Brigham Young blood atonement.
Read about the interviews Bryan Carr is doing now
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2290595/Friend-Jodi-Arias-says-Mormon-church-killed-slain-lover-blood-atonement-plot-sexual-sin.html
Is this a bad thing??? I mean I kniw this guy is full of shit n he can make thing worse for Jodi if he’s not careful. But, if this is the truth, can this maybe help her. Someone reading this can decided to help with further investigation, idk.
TB…I just read the link about the interviews Bryan Carr is doing…and I feel that he telling the truth…this seems like a ritual killing…
A few weeks ago I found this link on google http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penalty_(Mormonism)
This is the Endowment ritual instituted by Joseph Smith, Jr….read the entire article to get the full impact that it really could be a ritual killing…The Stages 1, 2, 3 is important…
“Stage 1…throat … be cut from ear to ear, and my tongue torn out by its root”
“Stage 2…breasts … be torn open, our hearts and vitals torn out and given to the birds of the air and the beasts of the field”
“Stage 3…body … be cut asunder and all your bowels gush out”
Sounds like a ritual killing to me…and if the church is covering it up…it was said that Travis was like a “priest” in the Mormon religion…we know that Travis lived in a Mormon community…and Zach his roommate goes to the same Church as Travis did…so many Mormons and so many Mormon beliefs and rules…and so many things that do not add up concerning the roommates and the house and the crime scene…and the computer…and etc…and etc..
I agree perhaps that is why she does not remember the stabbing because she was not their when it happened if I shot my boyfriend my first thought is get my shit and get out of there. Notice the things in the wash the camera the bedding and the religious clothes. someone else washed his stuff to cover up the sex they were having…. exposing the church…..
In his statement..the roommate who is also a mormon said that he washed clothes on Saturday…did he not see the blood on the washing machine and everywhere else?
I TOTALLY agree with his statement and has been my personal theory all along. I don’t put anything past what they are ordered to do. I believe that Zack and Enrique was in on this too. If you notice, Jodi never puts down the Mormon church or even goes into details. My theory is that she is threatened by the higher members of the church. My twin grandsons were baptized last summer on their 8th birthday. The Bishop told them they would stumble and fall but on every Sunday, the slate is wiped clean of their transgressions they committed.. My husband went to the Baptism and could not believe what he was watching. I did not attend. I couldn’t and be true to my core beliefs.
I had not heard of Blood Atonement until I found this site. It is very interesting, to say the least, and I don’t dismiss any of the theories I have read about it from folks who have posted here.
Mormonism is weird Read the Mormon Murders Just type it in are there nice Mormons I am sure but it is a Cult The foundation of Mormonism is Joseph Smith. He was a criminal Pedophile etc.
Its not a Christian Religion and Seems to be more involved with Satanism and Masonry. But The Mormon Murders is very interesting true. Hoffman Case was a big Cover Up. I suspect lots of Money & Politics are involved with The Jodi Smear and The Anxious Mormons Going On Trash TV Screaming for her execution. Many of these people are not of a reputable character. But Travis Alexander’s OBVIOUS Criminal Record has yet to be announced by anyone. This leads me to believe there is much more to this story then Travis and Jodi perhaps some pedo ring or homosexual group that molest boys. But this Media Circus is the worst I have seen in a long Time. NO OTHER OPINIONS it makes no Sense.
I agree with that. An I know not all LDS or MORMON or whatever they want to be called are not like the FLDS group either. But people that keep telling me that does not happen anymore need to GOOGLE how many murders/killings are there in UTAH an the NECK IS SLASHED From EAR TO EAR. An most of them have one or more from these one of these groups. I do not THINK JODI did all that stabbing an slashing. Something more happened.
1. the boot print
2. How do I know that is JODI’s Leg with the black pant leg an a stripe down it ?
3. Wed Thurs Fri Sat Sun………then on MONDAY the friends come looking finally
for Travis BECAUSE of a TRIP the next day. Not just BECAUSE they were worried ?
4. Sunday he missed CHURCH? nobody thought that was strange?
5. HE did not tell the friends for sure he would be gone an please take
care of his dog? NO DOG OWNER just LEAVES an hopes the dog will
be fed by roommates that aren’t there some nights even but at a gf’s house.
6.The ROOMMATES an FRIENDS seem suspicious on the 911 call to me!
7. IT IS very EVIDENT all of TRAVIS”S FRIENDS HATE JODI not from just the
day of finding him but FROM THE FIRST DAY THEY EVER MET HER?
8. The whole thing just does not add up for me?????
I couldn’t agree more Rhonda. After viewing the utube video posted here yesterday, I am more convinced tahan ever, that Jodi did not do this all, and there was truth to the account she gave detectives about the two intruders. VERY creepy stuff (blood attonement) that I fully belive is goint on today.
THis particular case dealt with LDS
the faith is literally built on … to put it nicely … salesmanship. seach BIRTH OF MORMONISM.
http://www.amazon.com/The-Mormon-Cult-Missionary-
This book was by an Exmissionary I read some of the reviews synapsis etc.Reveals/dp/1884365442/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top
The Mormon Cult: A Former Missionary Reveals the Secrets of Mormon Mind Control [Paperback]
I just can’t see blood atonement playing a role in this case.
There isn’t evidence of mainstream LDS practicing blood atonement. There are a handful of cases in the FLDS, but those are also rare.
Throat cuttinghas been used in killings all over the world. While there are cases in the US and Mexico, those are typically drug related killings.
In addition, throat cutting for religious punishment often includes ritual. There is no evidence of a religious element to this killing.
I know that many Americans have little knowledge about Mormonism. I’ve encountered anti-Mormon sentament here. To each his own. Opinions are that.
Howerver, I fail to see how the blood atonement theory helps Jodi, who is, IIRC, still Mormon (I may be wrong about that though) .
1 more thought. The LDS is much, much more likely to excommunicate a member than use other forms of disc. Excommunication works as an example to others. Blood atonement, esp in secret, does nothing to foster living in the faith.
And this
http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2013/03/travis-alexander-victim-mormon-blood-atonement-plot-says-jodi-arias-friend/
I am not suggesting that all Mormon believe in blood atonement, just like majority Christian don’t throw their furniture out because of women touching it who is having her period. And yes that is in the Old Testament, along with stoning your kid for talking back.
No I don’t either, Just wanted everyone to see what Bryan Carr is saying, why do these sites allow anyone to say something and not even check to see it its true. This guy is causing major damage. JMO
I’ll say this it would be one hell of a Bombshell. Old Nancy Pigface would get her fat ass sued off along with Vinnie Penishands for defamation of Jodi.
I agree somebody needs to get on too those shows an let them know that is all FALSE this Bryan Carr guy. But I read it maybe a HLN trick like they pay him to say crap even ??
They’re just using this guy, he’s a running joke to the tv celebs. “Look at the type of people Jodi has defending her” and they’re capitalizing on it big time.
Yep. Even though Jodi said that Bryan is NOT her friend and to NOT believe anything he says, the haters are having a field day with his interviews.
well,the thing is Jodi clarified the thing about Bryan HERE so if they see us as the crazy ones or rarely check or dont even bother to take what is being written here into consideration I doubt that thetruth about him will ever be out,so yeah they will keep on saying(as they have already)”look at the kind of nuts she is friends with”
Wish I could just take the iPad away for talking back. I have a 16 year old and the lip is now just a part of life.
Are we not supposed to take them away for talking back? Wow I must be abusive, as mine looses the IPOD. LOL
I’m already getting the lip from my 11 year old! Can’t wait for the teenage years.
Kira, you might like the documentary “Inside the Teenage Brain”; you can watch it online. I used in my psychology classes, ans students, esp those with children, find it fascinating!
That’s Judaism Not Teachings Of Christ. Exclusive versus Inclusive Cults are Exclusive money minded secretive etc. And they appear nightly on Jane Velez & Dr. Drew. Who maybe a Cult Leader with stocks in KY
I wanted to repost this link Dog found for us, it explains the process of expungement, what shows up and what doesn’t, and what to look for.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMPeTqx2IvM
It would show his arrest and charges, but that the case was dismissed. Two of the charges – shoplifting and battery – show “convicted.” Failure to appear shows as “Active.”
A judge signs an order stating the case is expunged, and is sent to the defendant. So Travis or his family should have had a copy if this were true.
Records are updated within 48 hours, not 1 hour. Department of Justice can take up to 30 days; subsequently the FBI will take up to another 30 days. So it will take governmental agencies 40-60 days to be fully expunged.
In our state, the process can take much longer. However, once your record is expunged, you cannot find record of it anywhere. (At least in theory)
Oh definitely, the process probably takes longer than 48 hours too. I imagine someone would have to take the time to contact an attorney, file the paperwork, wait for a court appointment, show up to the court appointment (whether as an individual or the lawyer doing it), argue the case, wait for the judge to decide, THEN get a copy in the mail a week later. Then waiting 40-60 days for the governmental agencies to get on the same page. So the whole idea that Travis made a simple phone call, and everything was right as rain within the hour is absurd.
MB SD
the weird this is that wasn’t one of the cases still active? if that’s true then it wouldn’t be under his name had it been expunged right?
Right! If this were a case of identity theft, then this shouldn’t be under his name at all.
I don’t know what’s up with the one being active, and the burglary charge being blank (note it doesn’t say dismissed). Perhaps the burglary charge didn’t stick:
“Although the penalties for burglary are harsh, it’s often possible to get the charges reduced or dismissed. Because of legal technicalities and difficulties of proof, prosecutors frequently agree to settle cases for lesser charges.”
http://www.shouselaw.com/burglary.html
During testimony of the computer expert he pointed out he was given a SMASHED external drive to TA’s computer, with pieces of the external box in pieces. The drive had been reformatted, and with his tools was able to retrieve many files, including what JA’s attorney pointed out as evidence, traces of all the porn video sites that had been accessed.
But:
1- Why would Travis smash his hard drive before being killed?
2- Why would Jodi smash and reformat(she probably does not know how) his hard drive? She obviously had no time anyhow, if we believe the standard time line, which is all based on the time stamp of the recovered pictures from the camera (5:30pm) and had 1/2 hour to get out before Enrique came home 6pm. Enrique, btw, said he SAW Travis that evening Wed 6/4 at 6-6:30pm making his VERY IMPORTANT PPL CONFERENCE CALL while Enrique sat in the kitchen eating. (Conference call that Chris Hughes said NEVER HAPPENED).
3-Why and when would any one else smash and reformat Travis hard drive? WHAT ELSE WAS ON THAT HARD DRIVE?
4- WHAT WAS THE LATEST FILE THAT WAS MODIFIED, what was the latest DATE STAMP on the drive?
5-Why the F was that not investigated properly, and why was the computer expert taken off the stand about this hard drive so quickly?
Why would the hardrive be smashed? Good question!
I believe the crime scene was tampered with by friends and or family before and possibly after Travis was found. I believe they also would have removed any child photos, steroids, or anything like that.
Law enforcement hates pedophiles, but once a pedophile is killed, then said pedophile is elevated to almost sainthood in order to focus on the person who killed them.
In other words, law enforcement would not like anyone pulling a Dexter.
I think that was JA’S computer that was in pieces
I think that Deb’s right, but I’ll go back and look at the testimony again.
By the way, the folks on this board would make awesome jurors. You guys ask a lot of questions.
IIRC it was a hard drive belonging to Jodi, not Travis. It may have had something that could have helped her out with more recordings. It’s too bad it was damaged.
Does anyone know what trial day # this computer / harddrive matter was discussed so I can watch it? I don’t recall seeing any of that? (have a habit of dozing off at the computer sometimes)
DAY 12 and 13 Lonnie Dworkin testimony
Days 12, 13 and 14 for the defense and day 6 for the prosecution.
The prosecution “expert” sounded like a vocational school dropout. Bet he got the only job he could at the PD. Dworkin on the other hand had some serious creds.
Thanks
Wow. More fishy stuff. Could the friends have done it? (said with sarcasm)
I agree with you
Why didn’t the jurors ask THESE questions.
I’m guessing some did, their questions just weren’t allowed.
Wouldn’t it make a lot more sense to think that Travis himself smashed the hard drive during the fight over the scratched CD than to turn this into yet another tired conspiracy theory about Mormons?
Though I admit, I’m starting to find this stuff so over-the-top it’s almost funny. I think the best one is where the church has him executed for “committing sexual sin.” What a hoot!
Seriously, folks, the world we live in is just not that cinematic. The worst punishment you’re likely to get for sexual sin is your bishop suspending your temple recommend. And maybe some pastoral “counseling” if you don’t seem quite sorry enough.
If every Mormon who had premarital sex was assassinated in a clandestine operation, Utah would be de-populated by now. They may try their darnedest, but….well, the spirit is willing, but the naughty bits are weak.
One piece of the testimony, BTW, that really is very Mormon is “grinding.” Because no one wants the shame of losing their temple recommend (which also has serious afterlife implications), so there is no shortage of young Mormons trying to find ways to be sexual and still justify it.
I’d even heard the “oral and anal aren’t really sex” thing before, though not as commonly as, basically, clothed frottage — rubbing the genitals together through clothing, or “grinding.” Other young people do this stuff too, but Mormons are so pressured to avoid premarital sex — and they’re often so sexually naive — they seem especially prone to trying to lawyer their way around the law of chastity.
I do agree with you, Jessie, in that I’ve never been a “conspiracy theorist” type. Do I think Travis’ friends/roommates are strange? Yes, absolutely. But I don’t think that there was any grand plan to execute him. Plenty of “hypocrites” in all religions.
Kira–the one strange roommate of Travis, who didn’t notice that things weren’t right at the house, probably had “grinding” on his mind! I’m not kidding around. When he wasn’t working, he had a girlfriend he was spending a lot of time with.
The terrible smell, though, will always be THE question concerning the roommates. Until it is finally explained better. Could it have been that opening the bedroom door on June 9th let the odour fully penetrate the rest of the home (hence, why Flores smelled it right away)? Prior to that, did the air conditioning keep the odour faint in other parts of the house? If it was faint, did the roommates pass it off as dog crap that they couldn’t locate?
I have smelled human decomposition before. The woman across the hall from me had died and wasn’t discovered for several days–during a heat wave (no air conditioning in our building). The smell was quite bad, but, to us it smelled like kitchen garbage. Disgusting and disconcerting, yes, but it took quite a while before anyone decided to investigate.
Since I don’t suspect the roommates of having anything to do with Travis’ death, I can only conclude that they were guilty of young-man self-absorption and of ignoring signs that shouldn’t have been ignored.
Hi Pique,
That’s always a remote possibility, but to get in & out of their rooms several times a day for that 5 day period, they HAD to pass TA’s bedroom door at the very top of the stairway – as per the pic below:
https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/598948_271319956333208_1727453751_n.jpg
Yes, some people say it was a BIG house, but it wasn’t that big.
SJ
Team Jodi
The Travisites have already cleared this up. Jodi simply turned on the bathroom fan and lo and behold, no smell! LOL.
Wow. Jodi even planned for him not to be discovered for days?
I wish my bathroom fan was that effective!
Thanks, SJ.
That picture, of the upstairs layout, is even better than the one I’ve seen previously. But, comparing it to my own experience again, I was much, much closer to my dead neighbour’s body than the roommates would’ve been to Travis’ body (which of course wasn’t just behind the bedroom door, but deeper inside the room, in the non-carpeted en-suite).
I later learned that, when I was walking down the hall, I passed within just a few feet from where my neighbour lay on top of the carpet.–sorry for this–rotting. Not that my experience is some kind of standard. After all, she wasn’t my roommate or even an acquaintance. But, just in terms of physical proximity, and barriers like doors, and soft vs hard surfaces, Travis’s roommates were still further away/blocked off than I was from the source of the odour.
No matter what, though, I don’t deny it’s strange they were able to live with the smell without looking into it.
But Pique,
What about the blood.
And didn’t one wash clothes and didn’t think anything about a camera being there, Plus bloody clothes?
The dog would have tried to tell them something.
They had to se the blood and smell it. It had been 5 days.
There IS a lot of BS from them and I want to know if they were ever interrogated.
If not, they should jave been.
Hi Aly. Both roommates were interviewed by police and gave DNA samples. It’s in the police report.
The one roommate made a mistake about when he had last done laundry, so he didn’t see the camera or clothes in the washing machine.
The blood stain was behind a closed, locked door. Maybe it did smell, too. Though, I’m not sure; perhaps it just dried out in the air conditioning?
I’m sure the little dog was an absolute wreck. I know just what you mean. But, I think that we’re looking at this as sensitive, observant people–people who would follow the source of an odour, or try to figure out why the dog was so upset. I guess these roommates weren’t like that? Of course, I could be wrong, but I think it’s more likely that they were clueless.
“If every Mormon who had premarital sex was assassinated in a clandestine operation, Utah would be de-populated by now.”
Good reality-check, Jessie. Funny, too!
however, does that mean the ritual is NEVER practiced? must say I doubt that.
I blv there IS a great chance that something like this coulve happened. Why not?! Because,
“If every Mormon who had premarital sex was assassinated in a clandestine operation, Utah would be de-populated by now.” ????? Evey Mormon is nit the same, some may have different beliefs, also attached different churches with different bishops. TA was also different. Did he himself go to his church to confess? He also rubbed it in everyone’s face how great of a virgin boy he was. And didn’t he have a different position in the church then other Mormons?? He lied to everyone, he had everyone fooled. He lived with two roommates that saw and knew what TA was up to. Lying to everyone, including the church. Cheating n being sneaky and walking around acting like a big shot. Maybe his roommates saw this n didn’t like it. One of the roommate’s had stitched TA out to Lisa. Why??? He obviously didnt like the way TA was treating her. Who’s to say resentment didnt start building up?
To me, its actually kindda funny, how some can disregard this idea when it is a FACT that this has happened before and NOT very long ago either.
touche’ LC
I agree LC.
One could look at just about any religion and find people who practice it in extreme ways.
Just look around the world and you will see people killing each other over religious differences. You will see women being stoned for adultery while men go free…etc etc…there are so many examples out there.
I think Travis had more enemies than his friends and family realize or want to believe.
LC,
And Travis started all of his motivation speeches at PPL with I AM SINGLE,
To me that says hey gals here I am.
They didn’t know he was Mormon.
It wasn’t a Mormon meeting it was a PPL meeting.
They didn’t know he was a “virgin” and supposed to stay that way until marrige.
I just think that’s disgusting the way he starts out, kind of playing with their minds.
Why did one of Travis friends say he introduced Jodi and Travis because they were looking for a MRS. Alexander. They didn’t know he was Mormon???
To be clear, “blood atonement” was never a “ritual.” You’re conflating two different things.
The “doctrine of blood atonement” isn’t much different than capital punishment — the belief that certain sins are so bad, you must pay with your life. There was no religious ritual around it.
Technically, that doctrine still exists, but it doesn’t have much relevance anymore. Even among fundamentalists, who still practice polygamy and the “united order” (where all property is held in common), blood atonement is believed, but not practiced. It wouldn’t be too hard to figure out if dead bodies were turning up in Colorado City.
The “ritual” you’re referring to is something else entirely. The endowment ritual in the temple used to include an oath that if you broke your temple vows you would slit your own throat, disembowel yourself, etc. Those were removed from the temple ceremony about 20 years ago. That portion of the endowment ceremony was not based on the doctrine of blood atonement; it came from Masonic ritual (as does a lot of Mormon stuff, such as the symbols on garments, etc.)
So @TR: Does that mean the ritual is NEVER practiced? Your question makes no sense. There was no ritual. Blood atonement wasn’t a sacred rite. It was capital punishment in the days before Mormon territory had any formal government. Since Brigham Young’s day, the Mormon territories have become states and now handle capital punishment through the courts.
@LC: You’re right, not every Mormon is the same. What’s your point? That therefore they take out hits on some unknown kid in Phoenix because he was doin’ the nasty?
That’s the dumbest part of this conspiracy theory. If the president of the church got caught in a compromising sexual position and then turned up dead….then I could understand some conspiracy theories about it. But Travis Alexander was just a rank-and-file member (again, “elder” means nothing other than that he’d been through the temple; it is not a position in the church — it’s a title roughly equivalent to calling a married woman “Mrs.”)
So, indeed, you’re right. Not every Mormon is the same. Some of them even commit heinous crimes. But considering there’s absolutely no evidence here that the church had any involvement in Travis Alexander’s death, logic would dictate that the conspiracy theorists are pulling this out of their butts simply because they are ignorant about Mormons and therefore hostile towards them.
Really, you’re not even coming up with anything new. Most of these blood libels are very, very old anti-Mormon stereotypes, along with saying Catholics eat flesh or Jews drink blood. The fact that these things weren’t true never stopped anybody from making them up.
It’s also worth pointing out here that, from an LDS perspective, I’m being extremely rude to talk about the temple ceremony. To a believing Mormon, the temple is cherished. First attendance is often the most special day of the person’s life (unsurprising since it’s often combined with their wedding).
But it’s not something you talk about. They won’t even talk about it with each other. Maybe with their spouse behind closed doors, maybe with their bishop if they had a question. But it’s considered something to hold quietly within your heart, not chatter about, even with other Mormons, let alone with a non-Mormon who doesn’t cherish or understand it.
So my talking about it here is, from a Mormon perspective, about on-par with pooping on the temple steps. I’m denigrating it in their eyes. There’s two reasons I’m doing it anyway:
(1) I’m not a Mormon and therefore have no qualms about learning about the temple ceremony, which hasn’t been secret in years, especially since the Internet. I respect that it’s sacred and cherished to some of my friends, but it’s not to me.
(2) I don’t see any other way to counter some of the nonsense on here about what Mormons practice and believe.
But, still, what I’m doing in talking about it would be something that, if done in Mormon company, they would probably get up and walk out. That said, my friends do know I’ve researched the temple ceremony and that I have talked about it before. Amazingly enough, they have yet to take out a hit on me….
Jessie-
If you read some of my posts, you would realize that I in fact admit that I am not familar with practices of the Mormon Church. Nor did I ever really have an interest in doing so. Up until now, the most I knew was what the nation saw with the cults of the FLDS, with many wives, hundreds of children, and child brides being sacrificed as virgin brides to the criminal and totally sick leader.
I have however made somewhat of an effort to be educated on this as it pertains to this case, and Truth and Justice. So sorry that you feel these theories are dumb, and do not wish to see other’s asking questions.
None the less, I will continue to learn what I am able to from other’s on this web site, whom I believe provide solid information, contrary to yours. Thankfully, I have been taught to be able to think critically and take all information into account before making any judgements.
That being said, I usually discount someone’s information when they begin to treat other’s with disdain.
LC: You’re right, not every Mormon is the same. What’s your point? That therefore they take out hits on some unknown kid in Phoenix because he was doin’ the nasty?
Yup, in other words, that is close to what im saying. To what alot of US are saying. Why is it that you would blv it if it was the president of the church but not TA?? What if the president of the church found out n didnt like it?? What if this president of the church is different from other church presidents? This whole case reeks and WE all can see that the detective Flores has done a SHIT of a job. Why should we blv that there could’ve been evidence, or that ther IS evidence that we still havent seen? Because were pulling these theories out of our butts, just like HLN and everyone else is about THEY’RE theories? ?? Or were just coming up with all of this because WE who blv this, are ALL ignorant about Mormons and hostile towards them, yea thats the whole reason why n how we came up with all of this. Had nothing to do the known facts n past history events.
So, the dumbest part really is that, ‘IM” NOT coming up with anything new (ur right). WE’VE, well some of us, a lot of us have had conversations about this very same topic and I don’t blv WE’VE all pulled this out of our ass…
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Hey LC. I at least feel like I’m in good company being called a big Dummy 🙂
Lol hey TR…. if thats the case, thdn I guess we’re all or a lot of us are big dummies.
Thank god that msg was deleted, before I saw it.
Thanks guys!!! ; ))
LC-LOL. I’m glad it was deleted too, because I don’t think nonsense needs to be tolerated here. Yes we are in good company here with lots of Dummies. You know what they say, better to be alone than in bad company. So I think I will stay here.
I just thought of a loose analogy to help explain why the argument doesn’t work that “SOME Mormons surely hold to blood atonement” or what-have-you:
In the US, there are groups who don’t accept the validity of the government. The sovereign citizen movement, for example. Those who believe nothing after the second Continental Congress was legal, so the US Constitution is invalid.
These ideas are by far in the minority, but they do exist. Sometimes they even commit crimes based on these notions that, to most of us Americans, are completely nuts (if we’ve ever even heard of them).
I think we could probably agree that claiming Timothy McVeigh was a typical American — or at least not an atypical one — is pretty out-there. Even offensive, but mostly just nonsensical.
These Mormon theories are a lot like that, similar to a non-American pointing to a crime committed by someone like McVeigh and claiming that’s somehow fundamental to being American or the logical conclusion of being American. It’s simply not true, even though a determined person could find examples of it and could even tie them to commonly held American ideals. Same basic idea.
Very well said, Jesse!
Follow the Money not everyone but some, And the reality check is these FREAKS coming on TV SHOWS nightly,TRASHING Arias, they are so WEIRD that’s a real reality check!!
RE: Mormon blood atonement….I found a site with lots and lots of info posted by ex Mormons…..fascinating reading re blood atonement and other Mormon beliefs and practices….also the church’s greed and focus on success and money. There are also lots of articles re Singles wards (apparently during those years when Jodi and Travis would have been together, there was controversy in the church about singles who were still unmarried at age 30)
To access the site type in Mormon Curtain and it should come up.
Thank you, kitty. I still blv something else happened that day n jodi has been scared to tell the truth. Well, the 2nd story she said is what I think happened n they chose not to blv it. And I also blv that someone from the church had something to do with this or they may know about it. Including the roommates.
I was raeding through TA obituary and I found a msg from someone, said this:
“My thoughs and prayers are with you daily. I pray for this jury to bring justice for Travis and you, the family. I lost a niece under the same circumstances so WE know the TRUTH, God Bless and give you strength. ”
The person DIDN’T sign it. I wonder why?! That just sounds weird to me & they can be talking about the young girl that also passed away (Ashley Thompson). So who n what are they saying, they KNOW the TRUTH? ??!!
Does anyone know the circumstances of Ashley Thompson’s death? Illness? Car accident?
i wanted to know that as well
Why would she call the police thinking he had something to do with this?
why would she think her husband had something to do with Travis killing?
She supposedly paased from “natural causes”. We’ve talked about this before and we cant figure out, WHAT nature cause it could’ve been. We dont know if or that she was sick. Its another mystery. And then this msg I just read, Iif doesn’t make sense. Its like HER family knows but dont want to say.
One of the comments on her obit page from someone stated sorry you had to go through this
Ashley Thompson died later in 2010?
Oh ok so they cant be talking about Ashley. The msg still sounds different to me. The part that says, ” same circumstances so WE know the TRUTH” …… what can they possibly be talking about? What circumstances, what TRUTH??
Yes deb she did die in 2010 but no one knows what from. Her obit is under Ashley N Reed not Thompson so maybe her and Dustiin did divorce and she went back to her maiden name.
the asley thomas misspelled sorry she died after travis died and she was married to one of the roommates or something like that I read this somewhere
One of Travis’s friends said in a interview Travis was trying to get married before he turned 30 because once he turned 30, he is moved to a different social group or different circle within the church, where he is no longer hanging out with the singles crowd (women) between ages 18-29.
Also, it may have been that same friend or a different friend that said that is why he dumped Jodi. She wasn’t marriage material, and he wanted to break it off so he could find a wife before he turned 30.
According to the ex-mormon web site I referenced above (Mormon Curtain), the church was not happy that so many young people in the singles wards were ‘timing out’….enjoying their singles life too much! Of course the church would be very concerned that some young people were not marrying and procreating more Mormon off-spring or settling in to a more monetarily productive life style. The churches solution to this was to, in lieu of forming 30+ singles wards, they “encouraged” married couples to invite these wayward singles(men), to gatherings in married couples homes and to “discuss” with these 30+yr old singles the need to find a wife.
Seems very weird but if you read about the whole tithing thing and how “successful” families are hit up for even more money beyond their required 10% tithe, within the church it makes perfect sense. It’s like a Ponzi scheme on religious steroids! No wonder Chris and Sky Hughes, et. al, were trying to get rid of Jodi. Personally, I find it to be pretty scary.
I am telling you tho whole Groupie thing is FREAKY Travis is breaking up with Jodi obviously just from reading his my Space page having relations with others. And he is going to decide that Jodi Date a Mormon Guy. That is sick.
did anyone get to see the enterview with a friend of travis who say he went to his house to pick him up and he was at the top of the stairs and said I’m dealing with my overpossevive exgirfriend and then he thru his phone to the floor.
I think his friends are full of it. Travis was in no rush to get married, and I don’t think that aging out of the singles ward freaked him out too much. He still had the chance to meet plenty of single women at PPL gatherings, and he presumably had single female friends from his days in the singles ward. I think he liked his kinky sex with Jodi and had no intention of “breaking it off” to find a wife. He dated “nice” girls periodically to keep up appearances, IMO.
While much of the above is true with expungement, expungement is only done in cases when one is truly guilty of the crime they are convicted of. IOW an expungement would never be used to rid an innocent of charges as a requirement is acknowledgement of the bad acts and rehabilitation. Why would an innocent ever do that? .
If TA was a victim of ID theft and the case was not caught until after the conviction, expungement was not the proper way to deal with it for the reason above and because expunged records are still legal records can have effect someone in future legal problems in sentencing. The proper way is via appeal. Is there any prove one way or another an appeal was done or was not done? Even if there is not. some may chose not to appeal. The convictions are out of state misdemeanors after all, yet still retaining the right to as an option should it be needed down the road. The tell tale would be another charged with the crimes and an added charge of ID theft.
I personally think it is foolish to hang one’s hat on this, and considering the defense’s reaction – this would have been admissible or would have come out in the public before the jury was seated – I’m inclined to think the defense did too.
Just because TA, a non-attorney salesman, says it was dealt with in 30 minutes by expungement using his product does not make it so – in fact that claim fails on every level. And yeah, someone might get on the liar, liar pants on fire bus because of that, it really doesn’t matter. TA would not be the first or last to do such a thing – everyone lies.
His friend CHAD ON MY SPACE TOLD HIM NOT TO VIOLATE THE TERMS OF HIS Probation. This was before anyone ever saw the record. That is a real criminal record belonging to Travis Victor Alexander and their story is very stupid easily can be exposed I know his Mormon group may cover but that is no identity theft. Right the Phony Travis payed the fine moved to Arizona. Please typical Cult Tactics.
Kitty
I just Didn’t see anything Christ like in their Doctrine For instance, Pick Up Your Cross & Follow Me,
seems More like Follow the Money ! How to be successful in 3 easy lessons, You can look like a Disney Movie Theology. and I heard so many sought help at Hypocrites anonymous.
Ok this is the bank statement. This is obviously some REAL LIVE BULLSHIT-
Notice the purchases are not in order. On lines 1-3 the purchases are made in Nevada. line 4 is in California, line 5 is in Nevada, Line 6 in California, line 7 Nevada.
It is possible she visited this same store twice. The dates on the statement are not shown, they are not reliable either, because they show the date the transaction went thru, not the purchase date.
Also the fact that the receipt says Salt Lake means nothing. West Jordan is in Salt Lake City county.
http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/484222_441167205959427_599514776_n.jpg
I the number 62097 is that particular store ID number, right? It does seem as if Martinez intentionally hid the purchase dates from view of the jury and the rest of the world. Probably just another one of his intentionally misleading tactics to try to prove Jodi is lying.
damn spelling… *IS the number 62097 the store ID number?
yes Dog, that is the store number, I did a google earth street view. Possible she went earlier in the day before they closed. It doesn’t show the time of the charge on bank statements and if this was unimportant, she didn’t save the receipt. Because she saved receipts that she thought were tax deductible.
unless she hung around for hours, the 3 purchases where probably at the same time. She saved 2 of the receipts that showed a time of 3 or 4 in the morning IIRC.
This is troubling, but the defense has not yet had a chance to explain any of this. Nurmi will.
DOG 8:38
Wouldn’t that be breaking the Brady law?
I’ve got to see what the punishment is on that.
The Brady Law is a gun control law. If the pros were to violate the Brady case, a conviction would be overturned and the defendant granted a new trial. I don’t see any evidence that Brady has been violated, though.
I think Dog means the Brady v Maryland situation. This is an evidentiary standard that sas exculpatory evidence uncovered by the prosecution must be disclosed to the defense. Violation of Brady normally results in an overturned case on appeal. However, normally they can still retry. Prosecutors who violate Brady are normally fired and debarred.
joujoubaby,
I think that I have the wrong law in mind.
The one that if the prosecuter hides something from the jury or whoever
where DOG says Martinez intentionally hid the date of the purchase from the world and jury
because it would help Jodi.
That is something that would maybe save her life AND if he’s hiding that, the jury should think why should we believe Martinez isn’t hiding a lot from them.
I mean that in the way similar to how he hid the complete journal entries from the jury (and us viewers) and instead picked only certain excerpts from the entries because they painted a negative image of Jodi and better suited his case. Nurmi later revealed the full context of the journal entries to put everything in to perspective.
More of JM’s slice and dice of documents to make it look like something it isn’t. Just like the journal entries stunt he tried to pull.
He slices Dices & accuses others of his motives I said in the ery beginning he subtracts and multiplies statements he is very sneaky and dishonest he can’t bare to lose. Nurmi must look closely at every piece of evidence he submits like the diary & phone call. For instance he said Jodi Called Travis Horrible she corrected him right away. She stated I never called Travis Horrible she was right. He tries to confuse her to rattle her brain he is all over the place that is why the Jury is asking the questions that they are asking because The Prosecutor is so unclear.
I bank with the same bank. Depending on whether you use your card as a debit card of a credit card that determines when the charges show up. I could buy gas today at 5pm and use my card as a credit card. Then I go to Safeway and get a gallon of milk and use my card as a debit card. The milk debit will show up before the gas charge on my bank statement. The gas charge might show up tomorrow or even the next day.
The order of the charges as shown on the bank statement means nothing.
Washington Mutual is now known as Chase. I started my account 20 yrs ago at Coast Federal Savings, then it changed to Home Savings, then Wamu then Chase.
Trixels – That could be exactly why JM never asked what it was she actually purchased. He wanted to make it appear it was a gas purchase done all at the same time. Maybe Nurmi can get this out before she gets off the stand.
JM is one sneaky rat terd!!
i dont know how his conscience lets him sleep at nights.he’s supposed to ask for justice not for some blood thirsty DP.
These are Mastercard transactions. They would be in the order of whichever store “processes” it first. I don’t mean her shopping order. I mean when they do a batch process with the credit card company. Usually takes 24 hrs to post and some stay pending processing for a week.
http://jodiarias.blogspot.com/
Jodi’s blog
Sounds like Jodi is getting railroaded.The law has a way in intimidating people and manipulating them into what ever they what them to say and what the jurors want to hear,why cant the jurors know about the 2nd degree murder plea?This is a tradegedy of errors,I find it hard to believe that such a slight woman could inflick all the damage and drag him into his shower?He was a fairly healthy man and I cant see him not over powering her,there is more to this than meets the eye.Jodi says she cant remember certain things,well the mind is powerful and can do amazing things to a person,block out tradgegies.Also a note on the lies,wouldnt anybody that is scared out of thier wits try to make up a story,I dont blame Jodi,I would have done the same,she was confused,pressurred and ran throught the wringer by the cops.I have had an encounter with the police and seen how they manipulate things in thier favor,Yes she said she killed TA,no she is not guilty of anything except trying to save her own life.It would be a sad day if she is convicted and recieves the death penalty,two wrongs do not make a right and it is hard to understand how civilized people could carry out such an act.I support Jodi and hope she will be victorious.
please see my 8:39pm post.
Yes Dennis ITA, have you read some of our previous pages, there is a lot of discussion on the manipulation of evidence and changing stories by the state, etc
every one was for the second degree murder it was the family that wanted her dead.
IF they had agreed, All of the stuff that they hear about Travis wouldn’t be world wide.
Hope they are happy!
Exactly right, Aly. They have only themselves to thank for the character “smear.”
If I was on the jury, I would like to hear from the roommates. My questions would be:
Who was the first to arrive home after 5:30 pm the day of the murder?
I would like to hear what that person did, did they come home and go straight to their room, have a bite to eat, watch tv, come home but leave again, cook food and run the dishwasher? Nothing has been presented to the jury as to what else was going on in that house on June 4th. As its been said over and over, the house WAS big but the roommates rooms were not very far away from Travis’. He shared a bedroom wall with one of them. Jodi said the house was a KB home and you could hear everything going on regardless of the square footage of the home. The stairs that the roommates used to go up towards their bedrooms pass directly by Travis’ bedroom door.
Did they hop over the doggy gate for 5 days leaving it where they found it at the foot of the stairs? If so then the dog never went up to the 2nd floor. So many unanswered questions here.
Trixels, I agree. Please see my 8:39pm post.
It really bugs me that the prosecution did not put the roommates on the stand. I guess it doesn’t help the case to put the two people on the stand that lived in the house with a dead body on and off for 5 days.
That’s bothered me too. With Martinez, since it didn’t FIT his premeditated claim, he wouldn’t have a need to. But why not Nurmi? Why doesnt he put them up on the stand?
LC yes! Even if she premeditated it, and i’m sure she didn’t, Jodi would not have any idea who would be home when she plotted to kill him. That is taking a huge chance not knowing the roommates schedule for her sinister plot. She could not have foreseen a change in schedule working or otherwise that the roommates might have.
Right and that would be a great point Nurmi can make to the jury.
Can’t the defense put the roommates on the stand?
Jose Baez, called Kronk and Anthony to he stand even though they were hostile witnesses.
In the very beginning Jury asked were the Room mates interviewed and asked Why Not? Nancy Grace said aren’t they paying attention she did it. She was making fun of the Room mates.
She was making fun of the Room mates and the jury. Vinnie did the same thing. They are a nervous wreck thinking SOMEONE is paying more attention to other than gas cans.
http://www.riverside.courts.ca.gov/selfhelp/expungement.shtml
A nice lady on FB just pointed this out. I haven’t read it. Very lonnnnnng day…..Feel very tired…and icky….from fighting for justice…amongst all the haters!
http://www.change.org/petitions/trial-by-media-is-wrong-stop-the-spin-headline-news-hln-nancy-grace-jane-velez-mitchell-jean-casarez-vinnie-politan-dr-drew
One interesting thing about the gas can that she bought is that the receipt said it was a kerosene can and they are blue. I know she was asked what color the cans were. I bet there is going to be something about this that defense will point out ?mislabeled
Also Deb, In our state, gas has to be put in red containers in clear view of gas station attendants. They are suppose to stop you if you are putting gas in the wrong containers. And this has been law here for a long time. Not sure about other states. Kerosene and other fuels cannot be put in the red can. I did not know this until this case. So if JA bought a blue can, she might not have known about the laws.
And the WalMart might have recorded the return as a ‘kerosene container’ return, not a ‘gasoline container’ return.
Exactly, so when JM called and asked them if they had any record of a gas can being returned, Walmart would of say no, because what was returned was a kerosene can. So actually JA never had 3 gas cans. So who is being more honest here? JM who couldn’t tell the difference between a gas can and kerosene can, so he continually harps the point she had 3 cans or JA who said she only had 2 cans and returned 1. If I were the defence and noticed this, you better believe I would find some way to bring out this point to the jury and how JM was being deceptive. Reasonable doubt since this part of his premed claim.
One thing I have noticed is that Nurmi and Willmott never appear to be worried. The defense has really called only a few witnesses to date. Seems to me they may have other things to bring up as they continue to present their defense case that we don’t even know about.
Yay! one can only hope they open a can of whoop ass coming soon.
Yep….It ain’t over til it’s over!
LOL, I’m praying for it. Can’t wait to see the degenerate friends on the stand. Mr. Murmi, handled Hughes and his arrogance, very well during Hughes’ testimony. Nurmi never once lost his composure, which I think makes him more credible to a jury than the proscecutor. I have to believe that the prosecuters constant aggression, actually causes confusion. I also believe at least a few jurors find it offensive. Just my humble opinion.
I couldn’t agree more. The thing the commentators seem to lose sight of is that Jodi does not need to convince 100% of the jurors as Martinez does. She doesn’t even need a majority. She needs ONE single solitary hold-out. That there is not ONE person out of the eventual 12 who sees it the way most of us do seems like a BIG stretch to me. I think the prosecution lost this case when they turned down the 2nd degree deal.
Agreed.
Can anyone tell me what month and year this defense team came on board? I heard the month was January … but what year?
In court docs. JW 2010 I think.
Okay, 2010 for Martinez … but does anyone know about Nurmi? I really don’t care about Juan. LOL!
I think JW is for Jennifer Wilmott.
yeah, must be.Nurmi’s sig is on July 10 court doc.
I’m going to go back and watch, but I observed Martinez having an extreme change of attitude when it was announced that the jury had over 100 questions for Jodi. The next day there were even more questions. My thoughts were he might have been shocked for them to have so many questions, taking that as they do not believe my (his) theory of the murder. Except for when he got up to re-cross Jodi, he seemed defeated to me. I might be imagining this.
Trixels, I hope that you are right. One of the In Session boobs said before the jury questions started, that if the questions centered on Jodi and Travis’s relationship, and not on premeditation, that he should just hang it up. Then when that’s what the jury questions focused on, that tune changed really fast. It really bothers me how those dorks whitewash JM’s crappy performance about as shamelessly as Travis’s PPLDS friends do his sex life/ career/ financial health/ spiritual life.
We should also all bear in mind that the jury questions are (obviously based on their voices and tones) issued by different jurors. They were neither universally positive for Jodi, nor universally negative. They (the jurors) have also, to my knowledge, and if they do it in AZ the way they do it in most states, not been instructed yet on the elements of the crime(s), on what the burdens of proof are, etc. Pretty much all of the instructions should inure to the benefit of Jodi. Additionally, by my math, Jodi needs 1 eventually selected juror on her side. JM needs all 12 eventually selected jurors on his. From where I sit, it’s looking pretty grim for the pros, and we haven’t even heard from the defense psych experts yet.
You know, I found out in my state jurors can ask questions too if it is asked for and granted before the trial begins, but I have never heard of it being done.
Couldn’t agree more JouJou
I remember him looking tired but I also recall that he objected to many more of the questions than Kermit did, but was over-ruled by the judge. That had to be frustrating! I know it sure frustrated me. Hopefully this 5 day break will give the defense time to re-group. I think this 5 day break is good for the defense. Guys like Kermit drive me crazy. As a retired county case worker, I can tell you there is a lot of nepotism and self-serving behavior with employees trying to make a name for themselves. I took a retirement at 62 because I couldn’t stand it anymore…..watching so called civil servants serving themselves and their own career agendas instead of their clients. I could write a book! The DAs office in my county is a mess…in fighting, even physical attacks…its unbelievable and it has bled right over into the Sheriffs Dept. Its awful to see the justice system at the mercy of all of this…..DAs and judges get caught up in it and defendants and clients come out on the short end of what should be truth and justice for all…….. I’ll put away my soap box now :-).
And if I was a juror and an attorney kept objecting, I would wonder what it is he doesn’t want me to hear.
“I remember him looking tired”……..I was referring to Nurmi but it I think it sounded like I was referring to Kermit…..oops.
No Kitty don’t put away your soap box! What your’e saying has comlete merit. 🙂
I saw that too Trixels, I thought he wanted to confer with the family to possibly plea. I am sure they said no…
Another thing that bothers me, I was reading on websleuths was a lot of the people in the gallery are from that site, or their friends, and they sit in the gallery and laugh when JA answers questions. Then some of them go on Dr. Phew as his courtroom jurors. Don’t even ask me why I go to that site. FYI On discovery channel destination america just started and its all about mormons
TB, That “juror” really gets my goat. She is a vindictive nut. Does she have a job? Go to school? Have a life? How does she get in the gallery every day? I’ve gotta wonder whether this crazy courtroom decorum (or lack thereof) isn’t creating a potential appealable issue.
I’ve never seen a trial where the spectators act out the way these people do…….it;s like the judge doesn’t even know they are there!
You guys should really be watching this show about mormons, explaining everything about mormon dating and marriage. To reach different levels of heaven you have to be married. This one guy on this show is dating 13 different girls.
I was watching that too. No wonder they think it ok to be a player they have to hunt the right one before a certain age.
An I also understood to be brought into that Church they have too allow it an you go through a lot it is not like going to a Regular Church an they accept you normally. These people have to accept before you attend from what I understood. So my question would be if JODI was such a EVIL an VINDICTIVE woman like all Travis’s friends are saying OH we knew the first time we met her??? how did she get invited into that Church in the first place. Seems to me if she gave off that vibe they would have turned her away they said they do turn people away.
Kitty,
The judge knows.
She just doesn’t care.
Are you talking about that K*tie W*ck person? She looks like a snobby uptight know-it-all bitch. Not someone I would be friends with. I think I looked her up and she’s a massage therapist or something like that.
Professional juror, LOLOLOL, without common sense.
You probably meant to say ‘as his courtroom jesters’…
Jack B. Worthy was born and raised a Mormon, participating in the indoctrination process and mission work until he became disillusioned and left the Church. He has written under a pseudonym to protect his family members who are still active Mormons.
The Mormon Cult: A Former Missionary Reveals the Secrets of Mormon Mind Control [Paperback]
http://www.amazon.com/The-Mormon-Cult-Missionary-Reveals/dp/1884365442/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top
Those Websleuth people get WAY too invested in these trials. Showing up in the courtroom, trying to inteview people, holding up signs…they take it to stalker level. I find this case interesting but no way am I about to book a ticket to AZ to watch the proceedings live.
yea sitting behind Jodi’s mom and aunt trying to overhear and become “besties” to juice them for info? WTF? they are psychos.
Yea sounds like that Bryan Carr!! Lol
Those people are just way too much. I can’t even go there anymore.
And then they report back and are a hero. Going into a courtroom and watching a trial is one thing, making a fool out of yourself while there is another. All knowing, people don’t match up to their expectations, best moms, best wives, so forth and so on, and in their eyes they can report on this trial, because, you know, who else could possibly do it, and do such a great job of it. Believe me, I’ve gone around and around with some of these women, but not for years, I’m not welcome anymore LOL
Did anyone read all comments on vladimir gagics blog about radio show, the one about travis friend saying what happened with the orig letters jodi said travis sent her that were not allowed in?
I want to know about that letter too. expert say its travis handwriting and JM side says its not….its jody’s hand that did it.
NK…Jodi writes so beautiful…she should have been the Motivational Speaker of the group…
Look at Jodi’s dates of 5/01, 5/04, 05/10 when she had posted an article on her blogspot…then…
Look at Travis’s dates of 5/05, 05/11 when he posted an article on his blogspot…two of the articles that he posted was right after Jodi posted on her blogspot….
I believe Travis really kept up with what Jodi was doing online…
Jodi dates and the title of her articles
http://jodiarias.blogspot.com/
Sunday 4/27/ 2008 Religion and Dogma
Tuesday 4/29/2008 Awaken
Wednesday 4/30/2008 Why Do Children Climb up Slides?
*Thursday 5/01/2008 If
*Sunday 5/04/2008 The Law of Attraction (here we go again…)
*Saturday 5/10/2008 Journal Entry
Travis dates and the title of his articles http://travisalexander.blogspot.com/2008/05/introduction-to-raising-you.html
*Monday 5/05/2008 Raising You
*Sunday 5/11/2008 Stepping Stones
Sunday 5/18/2008 Why I want to Marry a Gold Digger
She really does write beautifully
Yikes, my earlier comment is being “held for moderation”? Am I in trouble???
If you added a link sometimes those get held, not sure why.
Thanks! It’s been a rough day on the hater sites! I’m starting to get paranoid!
I find there belief system silly gooey & without and real substance, The Law of Attraction the Secret very adolescent & sad. I think the girl has potential but needs serious therapy and help because from comments that are made daily by media etc. her own replies with regard to memory loss not being a problem is going to sink the ship not Gas Cans Walmart or Travis Sex problems. Even the Jurors are telling with the questions the pose with regard to memory. Fog, No Fog, Fog, No Fog. they do not understand Cult control so they see this as being Cold. Not being mean but this hoax of you can be happy successful and create your own perfect universe is preposterous that is why the outer appearance of superficial happiness is so phony to most people. They say one thing and their life mirrors something else like Travis. Very Sad, But I think This Girl Really has to wake up from this FOG!!
This is what I think is JM’s big thing about the 3 gas cans: After the purchase of gas in Pasadena the next verifiable purchase appears to be in Mesquite NV. If you trace out a route from Pasadena to Mesa and then back to Mesquite on Google maps it comes out to 793 miles. Googling a 2008 Ford Focus gas tank is 13.5 gal. and gas mileage is 35mpg. So with 2 gas cans filled to 5 gal each plus the 13.5 gal car tank you get 23.5 gal. 793miles divided by 23.5 gal = approx 34mpg. So it appears it could be done with 2 cans. But it would make JM’s case better(in his eyes) if there were an extra 5 gal. or a 3rd can. He would say that she got the third can so she would make sure she had enough gas to go from Pasadena to Mesquite without ever having to gas up and leave tracks in Az. This is the only thing I can think of as to why he is harping on the 3 cans. But really, so what? Jodi says she filled in both Palm Desert and Buckeye, Az.. She didn’t keep the receipts because the side trip to Travis’ wasn’t tax deductible. He’s spending all this time harping on and on about 3 gas cans when it really doesn’t prove anything.
rb…she was traveling in the month of June…was it hot there?…what if she used the air conditioner…she would not have gotten good gas mileage…
My car “sucks” up the gasoline when I use the AC…
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Just trying to implicate she is lying. Then, and I’ve heard lawyers say this before, it she is lying on one part of her testimony, then you can disregard all of her testimony. Because if they don’t believe her, they have to believe him. Win by deception.
UGH, She left lots of tracks in AZ. Finger and palm prints, dead body etc, she was a lousy planner if she was trying to premeditate a crime. IMO.
Patty, I have similar thoughts – if she was planning to off him she could have lured him into a secret weekend trip to the the desert – maybe a hunt to find the perfect Joshua Tree he could tie her up on.
😉 Meet him half way to ensure no one would see her in Mesa leaving with him, take him to some off the beaten path, do the deed and leave him there. He may never have been found if she planned it well enough.
In the Flores interrogations she claims Travis told her the roommate was there when she arrived. Unless they confirmed the roommates were not coming home in the late afternoon during the next day one of the roommates could have arrived in the midst of the event or one of Travis’s friends could have pop by unannounced since the doors were never locked.
It would take a huge amount of confidence to plan this when, at any moment someone could’ve walk in the house. If the door was locked it seemed the friends knew the garage code so she would have lots of details to manage to ensure she could pull this off without anyone hearing or seeing anything. The one roommate had just moved in – would she have even been aware of his routine?
There is no way Jodi could have filled up in Buckeye. Lets say she did fill up in Buckeye, her next fill up is in Mesquite NV, and then Salt Lake City. It’s clear she showed up with empty gas cans in SLC since she filled them up there. That is way toooo much gas if she fills up in Buckeye. Approximately one full tank or 2-3 gas cans over if she filled up in Buckeye.
“That is way toooo much gas if she fills up in Buckeye.”
Huh? Let’s do the math. If she fills up in Buckeye she would have her 13.5 gal car tank plus the 10 gal which equals 23.5 gal. To go from Buckeye to Mesa and back to Mesquite NV would be 495 miles according to Google maps. If she burnt up every last drop it would come out to about 21mpg. But she probably got a little better than that for a Ford Focus, so she still had some gas. It looks like she took on about 12 gallons in Mesquite NV. From Mesquite to SLC it’s about 341 miles to SLC. It looks like she took on enough gas to make it to SLC. She put 10.7 gal in her car tank in SLC. So it looks like she still had 2.8 gal in her tank. So, for the whole trip from Buckeye to Mesa to Mesquite NV to SLC it’s about 836 miles. So adding the 23.5 gal from Buckeye to the 12 gal at Mesquite= 35.5 gal. But she still had 2.8 gal in the tank, so 35.5 – 2.8= 32.7 gallons for 836 miles. 836mi/32.7gal= 25.6mi/gal. The poster “Sean boy” owns the same Ford Focus and he says maybe 24 to 26 mi. Sounds about right to me! Nothing suspicious here at all!
I’ve owned the same model ford focus ( pos car) and I live in Pasadena and I’ve driven to Mesa Arizona. I can tell u this , no way no way no way no how a ford focus does 35 miles per gallon. No freaking way . Now that’s calculated at 55 mph and even at 55 mph it won’t do better than 24 to 26 miles per gallon . Now factor in driving 70 mph and the a c on …no freaking way . She had to have stopped for gas and payed cash. I can guarantee it . No way she can do over 700 miles with a full tank and an extra even 15 gallons…. Put it this way. Vegas is exactly 240 miles from my house and I barely made it with one full tank …i know I know going to Vegas from here u r going up a lot of hills but come on now .
Sean…were you using the air conditioner?…cannot get good miles to the gallon when using the AC…If Jodi used the AC…she would have gotten less miles to the gallon…
A rule of thumb from a friend…if you are getting close to your exit and the tank is near empty…turn off the AC (air conditioner) and it will help stretch that last little bit of mileage…
You guys. I think theres a possibility jm IS going to bring up the 10 “forged”, supposedly letters, during rebuttal. Travis friend posted that there WAS original letters submiited a couple yrs ago. But DEFENSE withdrew the letters. The thought is becs the def attys at that time also had them analyzed and it came back bad for jodi. This ws evidently when she first fired her attys. Later, only later, were they resubmitted but in email form. As we know jidge didnt allow tm in. Sm peeps are saying Martimez is going to bring in drg rebittal becs nrmi opnd door. ???????
Nurmi said to Chris Hughes in court that the letters had been verified as being most likely TA’s hand writing.
I know, but wasnt he talking about electronic copies? If martinez brings up the originals that were withdrawn by defense (which led to jodi firing them, before rehiring), years back, and if theres any truth to the rumor, that could be bad. That with the magazine stuff. I found this info going back to Dec 2012 before trial started. People hv also bn talking about the magazine stuff going back to 3 months ago.
They never had originals that was the problem.
To go one a Mission for the Church, TA would have to have had his fingerprints taken.
I would think one of the biggest statements Jodi made which shows she did not premeditate this is during the interrogations with Flores she said something to the effect of “If i was going to commit a murder, I’d wear gloves… I have lots of them’. I’d wear gloves to if I was going to kill someone, I think everyone knows you wear gloves, thats killing 101. The fact that she knows this and did NOT wear gloves say’s it all for me.
Absolutely. Especially since we all know, ‘if the glove doesn’t fit, you must acquit. The idea that this was premeditatie is becoming more unbelieveable by the day.
I KNOW!!!! ITS RIGHT THERE!!! This part of the video that ur talking about, why wouldn’t Nurmi play this for the jury.
So I’m trying to figure out how in a little over two minutes time from the last picture of Travis sitting in the shower….till the picture where his throat has obviously been cut and blood running down his back all these things can take place:
1. drop the camera
2. Be yelled at by Travis
3. Travis step out of the shower
4. Travis pick her up so high her feet left the floor.
5. Body slam her on the tile floor
6. Jodi gets the wind knocked out of her and her head knock hard on the tile floor.
7. Jodi gets up and runs past Travis standing over her.
8. Jodi runs across the bathroom and down an 11 foot hall
9. jodi runs all the way to the back of the closet another 11 feet
10. Jodi climbs up and gets the gun
11. Jodi runs across 1/2 the bathroom
12. jodi turns around and then as Travis lunges shoots him while he knocks her down again
13. Both are on the floor and he is grabbing at her clothes.
14. She gets up and either runs into the bedroom to get the knife or to the bathroom sink and gets the knife
15. She starts stabbing him either while he is still down from the gunshot wound..
16 Travis somehow gets up after being stabbed and makes it to the sink where he is spewing blood
17. Travis makes it over to the linen closet bleeding profusely while holding himself up against the door frame while still being stabbed.
18. Travis then tries to escape down the hallway all the while trying to keep Jodi from stabbing him more
19. Travis collapses on the carpet at the end of the hallway
20. Jodi carves into his neck 3-4 inches deep from ear to ear.
TIME elapsed on the camera 120 seconds
21. Jodi starts dragging his lifeless body back to place him in the shower.
Jodi did say on the first day of jury questions that she did remember there was also quite a bit of physical struggling going on between her and Travis that day. Now I’m really confused…I thought that part of her memory was a blank.
Someone please explain how all this running up and down hallways, these 29 stab wounds, body slamming, shooting in the head, tackling and cutting a throat from ear to ear can possibly take place in 2 minutes time. I takes me at least 4 minutes to cut up a raw whole chicken. Just wondering how all this is possible in 2 minutes time frame.
I think you guys missed one part day 6 of the trial videos on your site:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aa-qwxUhlw4
Somebody made a video that showed it sounds like a long time but it lasted forever on the video I watched I will have to find it tho an it is not that one they have out on that HATERS SITE either that one they made for BRYAN CARR an JODI does not even talk to him I think that is a HLN game having him on all the time.
An the struggling I am sure is on the floor in the bathroom after she shot him he was coming at her an the fight was on then. She was already body slammed once so I am sure that is what she means she does not remember the knife part. AN I don’t think she did all that personally but until she remembers or somebody tells something everyone is guessing an coming up with what if’s.
I watched that video too. I thk person took it down because he was short of a few seconds. But it was a great video, he almost had it though. But im with you, Rhonda, I blv there had to be a second person. Everything would make so better sense. I guess, we’ll never know if Jodi doesn’t talk. And if she does no one will blv her anyway. Shes already tried to explain the two intruders n the detective didn’t want to hear it.
“Shes already tried to explain the two intruders n the detective didn’t want to hear it.”
She sure did. I have always thought that was closer to the truth even though I can see self-defense also.
Someone mentioned it was allegorical (sorry can’t remember who, but thanks), I don’t know about that but that is one way to look at it also.
It’s actually a little less than 2 minutes
5:30:30 – intentional photo shows TA sitting in the shower (shows his lower half)
5:31:14 – accidental photo of the bathroom ceiling/light
5:32:16 – accidental photo of JA’s foot/TA laying on floor bleeding
5:33:32 – accidental photo of TA’s bloody shoulder on hallway or bathroom floor
1 minute 46 seconds – from pic of TA sitting in shower to pic of him bloody on the floor
1 minute 2 seconds – from accidental pic of bathroom ceiling to pic of him bloody on the floor
We cannot assume he is dead in the pic of him laying bloody on the floor w/JA’s foot, and the blood may actually be from the bullet to the head, not the neck wound. The way the blood is streaming down his shoulder in lines looks more like a flow of blood from one “hole” (bullet hole) rather than a severed internal jugular vein which would be pumping out large quantities of blood. The photo may have even been taken “during” the slashing of the throat, though the positioning does not seem right. Forensics assumed his throat was slashed while his head/upper body were resting on the carpet area of the bedroom where the carpet meets the tile in the hallway.
Not all of the 29 “stab wounds” were actual STAB wounds. Some were lateral slashes, as if she had knife in hand and was just swinging it at TA, slashing across his skin but not penetrating to a depth that would classify it as a “stab” wound. So put a knife in your hand and swing it side to side as if fending off an attacker. In 30 seconds I could easily slash and stab someone 40 or more times.
Assume the accidental photo of the ceiling is when JA dropped the camera. The camera hits the floor and from there the trouble starts. We have 1 minute and 2 seconds for TA to and don’t forget this is all happening instantaneously, not as a narrative like it is in court or this description:
1 – TA is yelling at Jodi while simultaneously grabbing her and throwing her to the floor. He’s a big guy, she’s a small woman. She’s kneeling on the floor, not standing, so her feet come off the floor easily as she is already close to the floor. He throws her backward, which she refers to as a “body slam”. This takes about 5 seconds.
2 – Jodi has the wind somewhat knocked out of her (as she testified) and hits her head on the floor. Ask anyone who has been attacked – adrenaline kicks in and pain is minimized. She gets to her feet and starts running. This takes about 5 seconds.
3 – She runs down the hall which is part of the larger bathroom area. The hallway is 11 feet long. I’m 6′ tall, walking that length takes 4 strides, if I run it it’s just over 2 strides. Its really NOT a great distance at all. For Jodi at 5’4″ it was probably 3 strides running. This takes about 5 seconds.
4 – She turns the corner in to the closet and slams the door. Takes another 3 running strides to cross back the 11 feet across the closet. Her momentum is moving forward and upward as she steps on the shelf and jumps upward and grabs the gun, lands, takes another 3-4 steps out of the closet in to the bathroom. This takes about 5 seconds.
5 – At the same time as JA is doing all this, TA is also chasing her. He may have slid on the tile floor being wet from the shower giving JA a couple second headstart. As she is now in the bathroom with the gun pointed at him he is coming at her through the closet. He is moving forward, the gun goes off, he is hit in the head but continues forward momentum (.25 caliber gun is not powerful enough to knock him off balance or slow him down), he tackles her, they both hit the floor. He’s grabbing at her but now he’s shot in the head and likely does not have the motor function to grab on to her. This takes about 5 seconds.
6 – JA scrambles to her feet, the gun is now out of reach, she grabs the knife from the bathroom counter and stabs TA in the back as he is scrambling to get up (dazed from bullet to the head). He leans over bathroom counter briefly (photo of blood all over sink) and turns towards JA who now stabs him in the chest. He puts his hands up to defend OR to grab the knife from her (wounds on his hands). JA makes 3-4 steps backward down the hallway as TA is walking at her, he collapses from his injuries, falling toward her and landing with his head/upper body on the bedroom carpet where it meets the hallway tile. She jumps on him, possibly stabbing him a few more times and then slits his throat. This can all happen in about 30 seconds.
6 – By now who knows there the camera is. It has likely been kicked around and slid around the bathroom floor. At any time during this whole scuffle the camera could have been kicked, snapping the 5:32:16 photo (JA’s foot/TA bleeding on floor)
So if you add up all the elapsed time from the scenario above its about 55 seconds. And that’s assuming the 5:32:16 is the end of the fight. It may not have been, it may have only been half over at that point. A photo is a fraction of a second in time, we really don’t know what’s going on there. It could have been taken while JA was getting up to run after TA tackled her and he’s just in the midst of getting up himself (head and arm lifted off the floor as if he’s attempting to get up).
It takes you 4 minutes to cut up a raw chicken, that’s at a leisurely pace. Pretend someone has a gun to your head and see how fast you can do it when your life is depending on it.
Good comment. i could actually visualize this where before I couldn’t.
Here’s something everyone must get, but me.
I’ve never heard of a camera going off accidently.
If someone is holding it starting to take a picture and hits the button too fast, I get that, But how many times does this camera go off accidently?
And WHY would Jodi even think of puttong it in the washer?
She had just taken some nice pictures, I just don’t know why!
Can someone with camera “sense” explain this?
It doesn’t make any sense Aly. Cameras do have timer settings so you can set the timer, get in position and pose for a pic. But on any camera I’ve ever seen, the timer setting only takes ONE pic, and then you have to reset the timer every time. And this is a back in 2008 so camera options were less advanced than they are today. I don’t think this particular camera had a timer option to snap a pic at certain intervals, like every 30 seconds or so, and even if it did the time stamps on the photos do not correspond with any set interval.
Some have speculated the camera was sitting upside down on the floor so the shutter button could have been touching the floor. Any pressure on the bottom of the camera could have caused the button to be pressed and a photo snapped. I have a camera similar in design, I tried this – it didn’t work. Even if I really pushed hard, the position of the shutter button near the top/front of the camera would result in the lens angled downward pointing toward the floor when trying to push the button, and I still couldn’t get it to take a photo.
In my opinion, the only way a photo could have been taken is if someone pushed the button, either by hand, stepping on it, or maybe even dropping something on it. I don’t think a sudden jarring (like it being slid and hitting the bathtub for example) would cause it to take a photo. I would try this but I don’t want to break my camera. lol
The accidental photos had an upside-down orientation. The explanation, early in the trial (day 3, maybe?), was that the plastic clicker came off the shutter button. Thus, the shutter button was exposed, and easily engaged with just a bump.
Thanks Dog,
No, don’t ruin your camera. : )
I think that explains some things.
Like for instance, HOW was the picture taken that was “supposedly” Jodi’s leg?
Thanks Dog! Now you need to send this to Nurmi and Wilmott so they can use it in closing!
Unless I missed something, it seems very curious that these photos weren’t shown during court.
(photos of the kinfe block, dishwasher, and knife)
First of all, its just so odd more attention wasnt drawn to these items during the investigation.
Secondly, wonder why the defense didnt/couldnt show the photos. The photos could only help show that Jodi did in fact use a knife from Travis’ house and put it in the dishwasher.
I’m not saying roommates didnt use knives – but didnt the dishwasher seem pretty empty for being clean dishes (looked like clean dishes to me)? Its like the roommates had their own dishes maybe, and only put their dishes away? I digress…
I was thinking that too. Why weren’t this pictures shown to the jury??? Like someone had mentioned before, I would hate to be a juror on this case or any other DP case, and then when the trial is over go home n realize that if I would’ve seen and known other factors, my verdict could’ve been different.
I dont know why n I dont understand why the defense didnt use some of these pictures. And I wonder if theres MORE thatcwe haven’t seen….
About the DW. Its funny because I thought the same thing. It looks like whats in the DW is already cleaned. I wait until my DW is full to start a cycle. But then again, it could’ve been Jodi when she put the knife in she started the wash. There are some knives missing from the block, I guess the picture of the inside if the DW show the knives are there.
I also questioned the spray bottle next to the knife block. Someone was cleaning. This house just looked very clean. Even the banister was bern cleaned (roommate noticed wet banister). The vacuum on the middle of the floor n of course ALL the laundry was done. Either someone or/and someone else was cleaning before the detectives got there or these are some very clean guys!!!
Very sorry, not origanals read wrong. It ws always emailed letters. Issue is first time jodi submiited letters, both state and Defenses experts said they were forged and thats when jodi fired her attorneys because they wanted and did withdrew letters into evidence. Later she hires back attys and resubmits letters but there is now another expert, that nurmi must be referring to with chris hughes. But if they try to get the letters in by this new expert they hv on defense witness list, martinez will be able to bring up the earlier withdrawal of letters, the noted change in expert of handwriting analysis and the states expert that said they were forged and why. Evidently states expert compared letters against jodis writing. There also saying that a jail cop found in jodis cell trash, writing where jodi ws practicing writing like travis Nd they hv the trashed writing.
“Issue is first time jodi submiited letters, both state and Defenses experts said they were forged”
Not true. You need to document your source because you have interpreted it incorrectly. Copy and paste if you must.
????? jail cop found in jodis cell trash, writing where jodi ws practicing writing like travis and they hv the trashed writing. ?????
Really?? I didnt know this. This is the 1st time I hear this??? Is this TRUE???? Where did you find this info?
Can someone outline the shoe print because I can not see it on the photo above.
I really cannot see where there is supposed to be a shoe print! I’ll look again….
Dud u find it? Or I mean, do u see it now????
Its kinda hard because of the color of the tile n the blood. The whole shie print is not noticeable, just the front part of the shoe, not the heel. Well, this is what I see.
The State vs Jodi Arias ~ Travis Alexander murder trial – Timeline …
http://www.facebook.com/Justice4Travis/timeline?filter=2
The who claimed Travis has a criminal record.. I confirmed with a cross- check with the Riverside County Courthouse.. WRONG TRAVIS ALEXANDER.
Found this when searching for some court dockets? Really confirmed with cross check at the court hourse? Ha ha ha. Sorry they are closed on the weekends? Another strike for you !!!!!!!!
It must have been someone at Legal Shield, they have exclusive access to anything Travis related. Quick and easy records expunged, cross checks and God knows what else!
Gee…what a co-inkeedeek! There were actually two Travis Victor Alexanders, DOB 07/28/1977 with same address and everything. Those ppl attnys are good!! And to be able to get into Court Records on a week-end. I’m impressed
So which is…. a different Travis Alexander with the same birth date living in the same city at the same time, or the right Travis Alexander who had this record expunged according to his family? Can’t have it both ways, its got to be one or the other.
I have been reading everything that you have been writing and want to thank you all.Very informative and thought provoking
I have a question.Did they have have the carpet cleaner tested that was in photos and also mentioned in the report?Just curious Thanks
Now that is a good question Michelle . I have never heard of the carpet cleaner being tested so far.
That is a good question! !! That vacuum has been bugging me since the beginning. Its in the middle of the floor like they had just finished using it. I haven’t heard anything of it been tested. And they didn’t, why??? I wouldn’t be surprised if it wasn’t tested. They’ve done such a sloppy job! Another fail from the investigation department! Was it even taken from the home, can it be tested now??? Maybe Nurmi can have someone look into this.
You’ve got that right LC,
Arizona must be proud to have had the sloppiest investigation ever.
What is it? Is there any other detectives besides Flores.
Sitting at the table with Martinez, I wonder what he must be thinking.
He has got to know more OR is this all that they wanted.
Frame Jodi Arias?
I see all of the BS flags all over the place.
What about Ryan’s IM’s?
Does anyone have a cpy of their’s that says who you’re talking with
and the answered with me??????
Every time it is both e-mail names, NEVER me.
How did that get past anyone?
See, people are too generous when they give these Travis-towners credit for having 2 brain cells. These f*cking morons are too stupid to know that government offices/courts are not, never have been, never will be open on Sundays.
“The State vs Jodi Arias”…. twenty-thousand class-A imbeciles and counting…
LOL!
Or like NG would say, thousands of thousands? ?! Lol
http://4witness.org/mormon/hofmann.php
this is about the Mormon murders
book written about. The Mormon Murders
Actually a Ton of Books about this case Why wouldn’t a deranged bomber with 26 felony counts against him and the blood of two innocent people on his hands go to trial? It’s really quite simple if you’ve ever lived in Utah and you understand the power of the Mormon Church over that state. Placing Mark Hofmann on trial would have meant calling Mormon Prophets and Apostles to the witness stand. These Mormon General Authorities had been utterly fooled by him into purchasing hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of dollars worth of forged documents about early Mormon history. Mark Hofmann was born and raised a Mormon and went on his two year mission to southwest England; returning in 1976. Married in 1979, outwardly Mark appeared to be a good Mormon young man. Mark had a sinister side though, and he found an easy target in the Mormon Church. Since its beginning, the early foundations of Mormon Church history have been shrouded in claims of fraud, deceit, folklore magic, and mysticism. Also, from its beginning, the Mormon Church has been involved in trying to distance itself from those claims and provide a legitimate explanation of its establishment.
Wow thanks, this kind of shit amazes me. Its funny how some people dont blv the power that this religion has over some States.
This is another statement in that article that stuck out to me. Why wouldn’t they be using Jodi for there cover up?! “You don’t rise in this state embarrassing the Mormon Church or making them look bad.’” (The Mormon Murders, pp. 420-421). Who cares about truth? Who cares about justice—in Mormonism you must protect the “Myth” at all costs!!”
LC Right Cults are popular in America Read or watch the Movie Elmer Gantry.
While I am respectfully disagreeing with some theories of the whole case, I just do not see self defense. At worst, I see spur of the moment, based on some emotional abus cause. While that is just my opinion, I must say one thing thet really bothers me about the first degree charge: if she really did all that to supposidly steal a gun, bring it to AZ with intention to use it to kill him, WHY USE A KNIFE? The only explination is he was shot first, and the gun jammed. But that’s not possible bc the ME says the gun shot came last…at least that what JM is relyigh on. But why? It goes against what they stated happened. JAs story isn’t jiving with me either, just based on the time stamp on the hallway pic.
I’m sorry if this was addressed earlier, but I just wanted to get some feeback on it.
JB
Interesting Clip someone posted with Greta & Detective Furhman
The hallway photo does not necessarily prove that TA is dead at that time. He is laying on the floor and bleeding, yes, but that photo could have been snapped during the struggle which could have gone on for another 10 minutes, who knows. People are assuming he’s dead in that pic but really there is no way of knowing. Only Jodi knows for sure. I don’t believe she is dragging him in that pic, if she was her feet would be inline with his body not perpendicular to it.
If she really did all that (steal a gun, drive to AZ) with intent to kill him, why wouldn’t she have worn gloves? Why wouldn’t she have taken him out to the woods so he could act out his fantasy (as described in phone convo) of tying her to a tree and having anal sex with her and then killing him out there where she’d of had a much better chance of getting away with it? About your gun scenario, she said he was coming at her when she shot him, he was still moving forward and tackled her, both of them hit the bathroom floor and the gun was knocked out of her hands. She probably couldn’t get to the gun again to put another round in his head so she grabbed the knife which she said TA had left on the bathroom counter after he cut the rope for their afternoon sex encounter.
The ME said in his opinion the gunshot came last, but that is just his opinion, its not gospel. Officer Flores said he believes the gunshot came first. Who knows.
I’ll bet he wasn’t dead when that picture was taken. That is the only logical explanation.
I agree, he wasn’t dead and his throat was not cut in this picture. Pure speculation, yes, but if his throat was slashed, there would be no way he could hold his head up, the muscles holding his head up would have been cut by the throat slash, once the muscle were cut, his head would have flopped back. I believe there was a life and death struggle in the bathroom and hallway. Evidence of that is all over the place. I think in this picture he is still alive and JA is helping him up and as well as he could get up at this point, and she helps him into the shower and this is where his throat is cut. Because I cannot come up a scenerio where she is able to drag him in the shower over the ledge and in the position he’s in. There is no evidence of an arterial spray in any of the pics and when his throat was cut there would have been arterial spray. Sloppy detective work not doing luminol in shower stall.
Excellent and logica deductions Dog.
I would believe Flores before ME. ME only looked at the body which was too decomposed and he had too hard of a time explaining that stupid gas expanding theory as to why TA would be incapacitated. Which if true, gunshot particles would still be found in the brain, no matter how much decomposition occurred. That should have been the question asked. But still have the autopsy to go by and there is no notation of gunshot particles in the brain.
And I just read that the ME didn’t do the autopsy until 6/12, which means that even more decomp had set in. I know that the body is stored at the morgue, but that can’t prevent more decay from setting in altogether, can it?
no, they put bodies in a hugh walk refridgerator, while it may slow down decomposition it doesn’t stop it.
JB
I sort of agree with you. As I stated earlier this is all rank speculation. I don’t buy this long range premeditation theory either. The one that has her leaving Yreka with this intention. The self-defense argument as laid out is also a little weak. I think the crux of the issue lies actually somewhere between the confrontation and “rape” in the office and something that happened in the bathroom. It could be that he actually body slammed her and she just said thats it, enough is enough and I’m not taking this any more. It could also be that she tried to hold him off with the gun and like she said it went off unintentionally and then all hell broke loose. It could be a bunch of other stuff.
Something unleashed this unbridled violence. But I do believe it was a spur of the moment thing. There is just too much activity and rage for it to have been coldly plotted. It’s not that she was sure TA would take a shower so she could wait for it and then shoot him in the shower.
That is my problem, I just don’t buy the plotting in Yreka to go kill him. If there is something to show, phone call or text message or whatever, which I’m sure would have been shown, maybe. Something that might have been said or suggested that might have made Jodi angry enough to go kill him. Something definitely unleashed this type of violence, and I also believe it was spur of the moment. I’m even wondering if something more even happened there that day.
Leah
My point exactly. You know I saw a clip from our much hated Nancy Grace that sort of made sense. She said that deep down there was this burning resentment of TA that grew with every incident where he piled scorn on her and treated her like trash. Not kissing her after she performed an act he asked for, distancing himself from her in public, continuing to woo her as he openly went out with other girls, demanding all sorts of sexual favors while actively treating her with derision. Even after she left Mesa and went to Yreka he kept on with his, I’ll come visit you etc. Eventually something snapped. (this BTW is NG’s explanation).
It is obvious that something happened that day to just unleash the fury. If she wanted to kill him when she got there she could have done it while he slept, or in the morning, or while they ate breakfast or whenever. Apparently she was ready to leave and then they stuck around for a bit trying to get the pictures off the CD. There were many opportunities to do this if she came there with the intention. So no, this was not some long term premeditated thing. This was a sudden response to some stimulus. I completely agree with Mark Fuhrman when he says this showed rage. And rage doesn’t get switched on without some immediate stimulus.
It’s murder two or manslaughter. Murder one is way overcharged in this case.
Absolutely, it has been overcharged just like with Casey Anthony. The plea deal, was the State not willing to accept, or was it a combination of the State and the family?
“I think the crux of the issue lies actually somewhere between the confrontation and “rape” in the office and something that happened in the bathroom.”
Me too, Al. There MUST have been tension building up between them throughout the day. Arguing about something, or cruel words/actions, sex, then more conflict, more sex. Even when Jodi was still denying that she was responsible, she told Flores about all the trouble they had downloading photographs in his office and that they were both “frustrated for some reason.” It was important to her, the conflict they had in the office. Important enough that she wove the story into her lies.
It was also important to her to offer to Flores, unsolicited, that Travis had never raped her. Could they have played out a rape fantasy in the office (he’s rough with her, she’s fully dressed, bent over the desk–all the “elements” are there), but that the fantasy became too realistic for Jodi? If she had consented to something like that, it’s pretty much a given that she would NOT have complained that it felt painful and humiliating for her. Those feelings would have been suppressed and, as you said, “unleashed” later, while she was taking pictures.
There WAS a trigger while she was snapping those shower pictures, and it may not have been directly caused by her dropping the camera. Even if she did drop the camera, I have the gut feeling that it was just a catalyst and that the bigger reason was under the surface for both Travis and Jodi. There’s a novel called The Stranger by Camus. A man claims to have shot and killed another man because “the sun got in my eyes.” It’s true, the sun got in his eyes, but there’s so much more to it.
Yeah, speculation–which is why I left out Travis’ lunging and tackling from my scenario.
Al and Pique-
All excellent points.
After reading about all this Mormon craziness, ie: blood atonement etc. I am starting to believe there is even more to this story.
Can anyone give me good reason to believe there isn’t any connection to the bizarre rituals of the church?
The slashing of the neck from ear to ear always had me puzzled, until I read the things posted here.Have I lost it from being on this site too much, or is there real evidence to believe his friends were not also involved?
Thanks
On youtube search after `”BBC This World The Mormon Canidate Part 3″ @ 7:25. The whole documentary is brilliant and I find strange body posture and the neck slide.
In part 5 (or 6) there is something about surveillance
I meant TA body posture and the neck cut
xr,
I posted this earlier, but I mean, and this is just a theory
Do you think it is possible that when Jodi was taught about Mormon beliefs, she was taught about the blood atonement, and so after fighting with Travis, and stabbing him in self defense, she sorta stopped at one point and realized that he was never going to survive, and she wanted to help him atone for his sins, so she cut his neck? (Like, none of this was ever done with the intention of being vengeful or evil, it just happened?)
Nk
It could be very well as you say it. it looks to me like a wave of self-defence linked to occult rituals. If you watch the above mentionate video you´ll see that ex-mormom showing the sign for the neck. It is the same place (on the neck) and the same length as he shows-on Travis.
Beside that the right hand was down and the left hand on cheast or so. Cripy kind of
xr-
Thanks, just viewed it. Must say the more I see and hear about Mormonism, the more creeped out I get. Sort of wishing I could unring that bell and go back to my state of ignorance. This explains so much about Jodi’s state of mind, even in the present. I hope Mr. Nurmi will bring an expert in the religion to testify about the mind control, along with other things. I fear though that their are Mormons on the jury that would discount it.
TR,
There is not turning back :). Talking about the mind control ( I am not going to make it easy for you:) watch this funny, intelligent, great speaker ex-mormon (are all mormons great speakers?( describing her state of mind.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2I9LpDF708
SO FUNNY!!!!!!!!!!!
TR,
There is not turning back :). Talking about the mind control ( I am not going to make it easy for you:) watch this funny, intelligent, great speaker ex-mormon (are all mormons great speakers?( describing her state of mind and not only.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2I9LpDF708
Sorry, I behave weird today
xr-
just watched it. guess I’m not suppposed to unring that bell 🙂 Thanks for sharing.
SCMC – Strengthening Church Members Committee
http://youtu.be/BuEGrp1kWZo
An EX Mormon
My intellectual journey was inspired in large part by my study of patristics. Reading the Church Fathers in my first year at Harvard in 1970–71, I realized that this story was false. Even my meager study of the Fathers allowed me to see what Newman had seen—that there was a development of Christian thought, a deepening of our understanding of such truths as the Incarnation and the Trinity. There simply was no evidence of a fundamental break from the church Jesus established. As one of Mormonism’s most brilliant minds of the last half century, Edwin Firmage, wrote after he left the LDS Church: “The idea that God was sort of snoozing until 1820 now seems to me absurd.
Two passages from the Gospel of Matthew are particularly difficult to reconcile with the Mormon doctrine of the great apostasy. Jesus promised Peter that “the gates of the netherworld” would not prevail against the Church (Matthew 16) and he promised the Apostles that he would be with the Church until the end of the age (Matthew 28). The other fundamental Mormon teaching that I cannot accept is the absence of an existential distinction between God and man. In an 1844 sermon, Joseph Smith made a claim that profoundly shapes the way Mormons see the world: “God himself was once as we are now and is an exalted man.” Parse this out and God himself becomes a finite, physical being. How, I wondered, can we have absolute confidence in a God whose power and knowledge are limited, not just by the rules of logic, as St. Thomas would have said, but by unknown barriers? A limited God cannot be our anchor in the face of extreme horrors or profound personal loss. In the face of terrible, inexplicable loss, Job did not place his trust in an “exalted man.” The God who spoke to Job did not start out on a world like ours. This God, who comforted Job and comforts millions of others every day, to whom we can truly pray “not my will but yours be done,” cannot be the limited being Mormons call “god.”
Interesting because they have big statues of The Criminal Joseph Smith & they continue to adhere to this hush up of their very disturbed doctrine.
Richard Sherlock is a professor of philosophy at Utah State University. He has taught philosophy at Northeastern University and the University of Tennessee and moral theology at Fordham University.
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Does anyone else think maybe jodi was told by the Lds church that she had to kill Travis ? Maybe he molested one of the higher ups in the church and they told jodi either u do it or we will have someone do ur family in ? Think about it.
She did bring up the Little Boy that Travis liked or he was close to .I think Martinez was nervous or weird her eyes I believe (it is Late) shifted slightly toward her :Lawyer Nurmi,she got that in ,A boy close to Travis Liked Spider man I think Travis had those tendencies, and many others in the Mormon Church but despite the Media its a Fact that this cult has a huge problem. due to its roots with Polygamy and yes sorry it is recognized as a cult by experts in that field so the emotional or lack of by Jodi that Psychiatrist are seeing is not her being a sociopath etc. It is that of someone controlled by a cult cult leader never speak against Travis or the group thought.. One of the Jurors saw this due to her question about image & Mormon Church. That’s why they have all these activities with other members keep them too busy think for themselves. The secret is a lot of Heweyi Hogwash The Group exposed themselves on all these TV networks. She now is accused of isolating Travis from the Group or Friends only Mormon Friends Travis says only Mormon Wife. The Ross Institute has interesting things to say about the LDS Cult.
I assure you that the Church is NOT pro TA. So I dont like the implication that the men are gay. Not true. I think PPL is behind this money machine. As a supporter of this site and a Mormon,I want to save her life, I do not think it bodes well to call the LDS community gay. Not so. But, that company he worked for can surely take a hit in the pocketbook with all this bad publicity. Of course every employee is going on TV to get some recognition, perhaps to make sales. Truly, they would NOT have to raise money if the Church were behind them. I promise you that. If TA’s behavior came to light, he would have been excommunicated by the Mormon Church! Believe that. Have a great week y’all,
Patty
Patty thanks for that info. I wondered if the church would continue to stand behind Travis. At this point with everything that has been exposed, probably not. He had a lot to lose if his secret sex life came out. I wonder if he hated Jodi because he felt she led him down that path. I bet he harbored some seriously deep resentment towards her, which would explain why he got violent with her.
But if you look on Travis Alexanders FB page a Friend makes rather odd homosexual remarks.
That is NOT TRUE, A woman who was a member of the LDS Husband molested her children was a complete degenerate & the So called Bishop did nada hushed it up. Their are Tons of stories like this related to LDS For Instance Travis Friends make daily appearances on Trashy TV shows Gossiping incessantly about Jodi. They are all CLEAN The Group didn’t approve their behavior is that of a Cult read Rick Ross institute studies cults. Group thought etc. Money Control.. The Mormons appearing on these low class shows are cultish in appearance and speech.
Patty-
I appreciate that you are defending your church. However, I think history tells us that lots of organized religions use thier wealth to cover up crimes against children. Not so far fetched that the Mormon Church might do the same.
Child Molestation occurs all over not Just Religious organizations it starts with THE FAMILY,
But Cults are NOT Inclusive so unlike Main Stream Christianity Mormonism has its Roots in Cult worship i.e Joseph Smith who was a child molester BIG TIME. Their Doctrine is strange & adheres to what the Ross Institute defines as CULT Behavior. Also the media has NEVER been a friend of Religion or lets say Christianity, Seems suddenly HLN is being very protective about the Mormon Religion. FOLLOW THE MONEY!! Wheres the criminal records of Travis no Media has even alluded to them, but Ms NG alluded to the Murder of Whitney Houston. I think Mormonism plays a Big part in this trial & the Law of Attraction etc. is too stupid to comment on. The relationship that existed between Jodi & Travis was grotesque & twisted and that of a pedophile & victim. The fact that she still protects his image in some ways also is revealing.
I see it as a cult ,the behavior of Jodi Arias and Travis its consistent of Cult. Jodi Arias’s lack of emotion, is a direct result of the CULT control. They use LOVE BOMBING, Target people who do not have a strong support system from their Family, Travis Jodi. No outside influences only Marry within the Group. The remarks made by many in Travis group are down right disgusting and revealing about what trash exist with NOT ALL but many of his friends.Jodi according to Travis Friends that appear in Trash TV state she was only a booty call They say he was a virgin his MY SPACE PAGE seems to differ, i;e KY-ME(her Stage Name) a woman in the LDS you can look it up was obviously having some sort of relationship with travis.
From what I am seeing and reading, you are completely correct Oliviero.
Cults are big in USA divide an conquer But if you were to study Cults you will see all the Aspects Of the Travis & Jodi relationship life style in this group. Its very attractive on the outside. and very nice & loving people are attracted to the Perfect Family. They have group activities keeping you busy, all the time do not speak against the group tithing 10% of your salary missionary work and LOVE OF MONEY is big in these Cults. Hypocrisy also, The no FEEL RULE is essential that is very much part of incest families. Do not go outside the family. The black sheep usually wears the wounds of the Family. Of course this belief that THE SECRET Rule of Attraction would be so useful. Deprogramming a person controlled by a cult is not easy.
Because of Joseph Smith and all the stuff surrounding LDS ,they have tried to pretend they are Christian, I do not see one Crucifix outside their Temples that look more like Disney World resorts. You will know them by their fruits well I do not see any great art music literature or culture coming from Mormonism. A study of a culture is their Religious beliefs. Teaching people you can be like Gods is twisted the values that are part of the practices of this cult that Travis & Jodi’ belonged to are very shallow narcissistic and psychologically dangerous.
Their teachings are in direct opposition to the teachings of Christ. So anyone with native intelligence could not possibly argue with this.
In Germany i do not see statues of Hitler still displayed.
He was a Cult Leader & professed the SUPERIORITY of the German Race. People worshiped him. He hated Christ but many Germans refused to see this. The truth will set you free the Throat slashing has to do with Blood Atonement. Sorry you don’t need to be Sherlock Holmes to see this. This is not normal. Instead of Gas Cans I think Jodi needs a psychiatrist that deals with Cult control. & brainwashing.
Oh Oliviero, your sooooooooo right!!!! I love these post. I love that you say it like it IS.
“The truth will set you free the Throat slashing has to do with Blood Atonement. Sorry you don’t need to be Sherlock Holmes to see this.” But some people find it comical that we can see this happening in our time.
Hi Oliv-
I just watched the You Tube video that xr posted. It’s a bit long, but really really worth watcing as it explains so much. The presenter is an ex Mormon woman who speaks about she and her husband’s experience leaving the Church. Shocking and horrifying what this poor woman was taught to believe, in particular to what would happen to her little girl who had passed away, if this woman left the Mormon church. She also addresses the “Jesus Christ” aspect that you were just referring to.
I am sickened and my thoughts and prayers go out to Jodi twice more now. Maybe this woman will reach out to Jodi.
Personally there isn’t one religion that I care to belong to.
I know how I feel The word God is used in too many hateful ways.
That doesn’t mean that God is hateful, but tI’m sick of the people that use
anything terrible and if they say God did it or in God’s name, like we bomb someone and before doing so say And God Bless America, they’ve lost me.
I have my own, basically it’s peace where ever it comes from.
None of this is peace. It’s far cry from it. The cult leaders know who they can get, brainwashed and then they’re hooked.
Look at Jim Jones and many others.
And do the Mormoms worship Smith or Christ. I’m confused
You will not win Patty, don’t fight against it. It only upsets you. You know the truth. People have made their minds up on this one. We cannot defend mob mentality, in any form. Be at peace Patty. We know the truth. .
Patty and Bella,
Please know that your contributions to this site are highly valued, as is your right to practice the faith of your choice. Personally, I do not subscribe to any of these blood atonement theories (Jodi confessed to the killing. On the stand). With the utter lack of respect that I have for the Pre-Paid Ponzi scheme, I still don’t think that they are responsible either.
All formalized religions have adherents who contort the beauty of that religion, turning it into a hideous tool of oppression/abuse/evil. Certain religions appeal to the different facets of dark human nature in different ways. A disproportionate number of multi-level-marketing ‘victims’ are plucked by their exploiters from their religious communities. A good number of these people – both victim and perpetrator – come from Mormon communities.
All Mormons are not creepy Ponzi scheme participant sexual weirdos any more than all Muslims are uneducated wife abusers or Catholics are closeted child rapists. But some are, and there are aspects of each of these faiths both benign and otherwise that protect the guilty and exploit the innocent. I’m not a Mormon, so it’s none of my business to tell you how to practice your faith and what aspects of it to work to change. But as a citizen of this country, and an observer of this case, I do feel free to comment on it and all aspects of the facts that I think are relevant.
With Travis, it appears that his life embodied a confluence dark aspects of his own personality, of Jodi’s personality, of his proclivities, and how perhaps his particular religion did not help him develop the better side of himself and master the worse parts of himself.
Respectfully,
Joujou
Well said JouJou. I also don’t think we should discount the stories ex Mormons are telling about their experiences.
All Mormons aren’t bad but not questioning this so called Religion is Preposterous, Some ex Mormons have been very intelligent by questioning the dubious ideology behind Mormonism and its lack of any coherent theology. The foundation is false, and has very serious problems due to that. Joseph Smith was a pedophile and very disturbed this groups adherence to the teachings of a pathetic degenerate are still reverberating today. The Ross Institute recognizes that LDS has a cult problem. Now Greta does not believe that Jodi did the killing from what she said Its highly unlikely. The anti Jodi Haters state,. he was on his knees when Jodi slit his throat. Well according to the Blood atonement where they slice your throat ear to ear you are on your knees. The fact that Jodi’s behavior is that of being brainwashed and controlled mirrors, exactly what the Ross institute is speaking of. Never speak against the group. Jodi is ignorant of this religion and relies heavily on Travis for guidance or explanations. The Big white Elephant in the living room is being ignored. The Emperor has NO CLOTHES ON.
RIGHT,
I so agree Oliviero,
That’s what everyone should do. I remember one thing always said, Don’t question any faith that you belong to.
If so, you aren’t a believer or you don’t have faith. I say if it’s wrong to question it, that’s a sign to get out.
Interesting stuff. Here’s a thought….one of his friends who used him as a babysitter found out something happened to one of their children. They are now coming out in such strong support of the prosecution as a red hering, to take the focus off of them.
Well perhaps that child was the one Jodi Alluded to The kid that liked spiderman its in her Testimony.
Makes perfect sense to me.
Sean boy,
It may be being hoping for a conspiracy theory by the church when there isn’t one to think that.
I definitely agree, there is more to this story, and it is a possibility that someone else was somehow
involved, especially given that both his roommates stated the saw him after he was already dead (I mean if one roommate said Wed, I would have thought, maybe he got the day wrong, it is possible, but both is weird. Not to mention, they didn’t notice the smell or the blood or a camera in the washer, all strange.)
All I can add to that is, look at the Catholic abuse coverup. No one wants to believe their church is capable of anything like that, but it’s just a fact that although individual members of a religion/church may be wonderful great people living honestly in their faith, it doesn’t mean that all of them are.
Exactly but with the Catholic Church certain individuals covered up, I noticed that the Media only focused on The Catholic Church, Yet pedophilia is a problem in every institution But Catholic Doctrine does not support being a degenerate they consider that intrinsically evil. But The Mormon Church;s Doctrine is based on a Degenerate and in direct opposition to the Teachings of Christ,
So yes some Lutherans Catholics Protestants etc. Have had a problem with Pedophilia Highest among Parents. But they are not Cults Where Mormonism is a cult & operates like an incest family.
Joseph Smith’s statue is displayed openly on front of these Plastic Temples that Resemble a Twisted Disney World.
Should say maybe travis molested one if the elders children
Hate to say that but, I do not think she made that up. But its very complicated if LDS which has plenty of Money & Media. I just think she needs to wake up and smell the coffee. Because at times she fights her own Lawyer. The Jury was interested in memory not Gas Cans. They would not ask these questions if they believed Martinez Junk Style Dog pathetic Theory. Gas Cans Gas Cans its memory many more questions about memory then Gas Cans.
Elders are the 20 year old Missionaries that go door to door. FYI.
Who is the boy Travis was close with and he liked spiderman, All Little Boys like spiderman.
Are you sure that is a picture of a shoe print? It looks more like a tile pattern to me, in particular to the left of the supposed shoe print are the same kinds of rectangular shaped dark patterns?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_216968&feature=iv&src_vid=Iw6F8YMoCNY&v=z9gAfmGdm_I
Can’t remember who was looking for this video but it is the longest one I have found of Travis being Eddy Snell…….Reposted
http://imgur.com/delete/3nFdxpUQEyKdK5z
Not sure if this will show up but that SHOE PRINT I tried to change the color so you can
see the small squares like a bottom of some tennis shoes are. I can see it but some
people can’t just trying to make it more visible by changing the shade of photo
I know this site is about saving Jodi and since we have two days before it all starts again, I would like to come up with derogatory names for people who hate Jodi. Please add to list so we can start refer to this people by their God given asshole names.
Nancy Grace – Nancy PigFace
Vinnie Politan- Vinnie Penishands
Juan Martinez – Idjit Midget
I don’t know Pickles. Mud slinging never got anyone anywhere.
what the h***, why not, its not like we’re threatening to kill anyone.
TA sisters – Drizella and Anastasia Tremaine
Sounds like LC is in the mood for a good PISS party!lol
MMM-
I think your comment has some merit, as does JC’s response. In all fairness, I think you will also find much compassion from poster’s on this site, in regard to Travis’ history of abuse etc. This is the only site where one can find legit info.
I love your diplomacy 🙂
http://www.myspace.com/menonamissioncalendar/photos/11082350
is this what travis was trying to tone up for?
He would have been excommunicated for that I think? I just watched a show about Mormon’s an one guy was doing a calender like that an they kicked him out. He can rejoin in one year but he said he was done with them.
I watched it too the other night .. called “mormon’s” …thats where I seen it.jodi had mentioned he was trying to loze weight & tone up for something.prolly it,he seemed a lil ego driven.
Thanks JC, sometimes it’s difficult, but I find that when fighting ignorance it is the best way to go. That and a little sarcasm, that they can’t always catch.
Hey Fellow Truth and Justice Seekers!
Can one of you request the “incident report” from the arresting agency? Should be fairly easy to do. That will be “telling”…Also I’m not familiar with public record laws in CA…so…dang I almost wrote “pubic” record laws!!! OH my!
Jose Baez was just on …Smart, honorable man, he is. ..great points as usual!
My new motto, “any day without a death threat or without being called a vile name” is a good day…oh scratch that….is a boring day!:)
LOL. Keep up the good fight Maggie. We are all behind you. Just keep remembering: “You are good enough, you are smart enough, and people like you.” ( quoted from the old days of Sat. Night Live…yes I have dated myself.)
Oops. I forgot…it’s: “and dog gone it, people like you”
Haha, TR!
You must be psychic – because I have said that many times, ha! It will take a lot more to deter me than their words. Although, if anyone has any bodyguard experience, I’m interviewing!:)
I’m working on the arrest charges info. Maybe ol ‘ Fred Lopez is out there somewhere – the one the fake Travis was to have no direct or indirect contact with….
Thought I’d figured out a way to just pop out more particulars on the reports, but got all excited and realized you have to pay $100 yearly fee! I was willing to pay $8…but a C-note…:(
And again to Ms. Shannon Hogan, who must really be starting to dislike us all by now, I, and I feel I speak for others here, are all ears if you can offer another credible explanation besides, “she said, he said” here…if you can, I will eat my words! With a nice glass of perhaps……Chianti….:)
TR, as for your being psychic, why not call up Dr. Drew and get on his show, and talk about the “creepy feelings” you had reading Travis’ blog….etc., etc.!
We’re at 201! Our point has been made; however, I wouldn’t mind seeing the numbers grow. Unless of course, HLN and the others start to ever so slightly turn the lynch mob the other way…OH, and looks like Joey J. reconsidered about blocking me; I just KNEW he was too smart to do that! And for that, he lives another day:)
http://www.change.org/petitions/trial-by-media-is-wrong-stop-the-spin-headline-news-hln-nancy-grace-jane-velez-mitchell-jean-casarez-vinnie-politan-dr-drew
Hi Maggie-
Let me set the record straight…I am not a psycic or did you call me a psycho? 🙂 Anyway, I actually get those creepy feelings, based on 20 years working in Child Welfare Services. I worked with children who had been the victims of the most grotesqe abuse, pedophiles, and sociopaths. I actually had a hit out on me by one of the convicted pedophiles, who child I was protecting. According to the police, he only paid $50.00 for the hit. Granted it was back in the 1980’s but I thought I would be worth more than that.
I have actually sent Dr. Drew, and Nancy Grace very pleasant emails asking them relavant questions and asking for their explanation as to why they felt the need to only give one side of this. I actually find that makes them less credible so I say let them keep doing it. To date I have not recieved an invitation to be a special guest or to present a BOMBSHELL. You will be the first to know, if I do.
Maggie-
I also must comment that my bigget complaint has been the “so called experts” they have on these ridiculous shows. I have a firm belief that if any of them are licensed and practicing Psychologist, that they need to be reviewed by their respective States, and possibly have their licenses pulled.
I wrote to NG following one of her guests that claimed to be a Phd. Psychologist, and acutally called TA a “Romantic Man”. No, I’m not making it up, I actually watched the show twice to make sure I heard it correctly. These HLN hosts are no better than gossip rags anymore. It’s the professionals that I think can be most damaging. They are spitting in the face of any real psychologist who’s interest would be in spreading the truth about such issues as rape, pedophilia, mind control, domestic violence….the list goes on. I am not in a position to research each of these dangerous people, but I would like to see a movement to get them off the airways.
True dat!
the late phil hartman character “stuart”, life affirmations!
something like that… wearing a pastel sweater talking to himself in a mirror…
GREAT shows…
Stuart Smalley….played by Al Franken, who is fortunately still with us :).
I am also reminded of Dan Akroyd and Jane Curtin doing the news cast skit. He turns and says, “Jane, you ignorant slut.” I think of it when I see Nasty Grace.,,,
I try to follow this trial but there are a few things I have missed. Is it established fact that she rented a car from an out of town dealership far from her home? Is this fact or allegation?
And the change in hair color during the trip-is that fact or allegation?
rental car at location outside her home town – correct. But, she got the rental car cheaper by going to another place besides Yreka.
hair color during trip is false. Pictures showed that she changed it long before the car rental.
Here is something interesting I found from one of Travis’ brothers on his FB page. I think it might have been Michael (I searched last week and don’t have time to look again).
It was under a picture of him and Travis at a picnic after a baseball game.
“the night of this day would turn out to be one of the scariest times in my life. It was our baseball banquet and when it got dark all the lights in the park went out and it got pitch black. A man with camoulflage jumped out of a tree and had a knife. he began to attack us and the adult men fought w him and saved us. a man was stabbed. all us kids were there. travis and i wanted to fight him too but we were just being tough after we were safe. i think he went after one of the girls, sam,hillary, or tanisha. my mom was yelling for us ” cmon kids the boogy man will get u!” and just then is when he came out and said ” i am the boogy man!’ it was crazy!”
It seems that the Alexander family is either full of crap or they were always in the wrong place at the wrong time.
I wonder why Travis never told THIS story at one of his PPL meetings…
Excellent observations, Nicole!
IN case anyone has time to call and find out info about Travis’ arrest record, here is some information that might prove helpful:
Public Records
Criminal records also count as public records, and you will find most county sheriff’s have local criminal records in their archives. To get in touch with the Riverside County Sheriff’s Office, you can contact them in person, by telephone, or online. The sheriff’s office is located at 4095 Lemon Street, Riverside, California, 92501. To speak to someone over the telephone, call 951-955-2440.
I am dismayed at all the Jodi haters out there,I am sad to say I checked out one of those hate sites and was astounded to see what people had said,my god we are supossed to live in a civilized world.I bet that these haters would change their tune if they were in the same situation as Jodi.We cant lynch people like in the old west and in my opinion capital punishment does not solve anything.PEOPLE STILL KILL PEOPLE no matter what the deterant could be.This case is all about the stature of the prosecutor and Arizona law,they dont want to look bad and it will bolster the image of them.It is a shame how Jodi is being treated,its almost like she has been determined guilty before the trial started.My heart goes out to Jodi,some how she has had a profound effect on me and I cant stop thinking about this beautiful young woman,dont get me wrong I feel sad for TAs family also,this is a tradgedy that should have never happened.How do her lawyers rate for her defence,are they good enough,its seems that the state has thought about everything here,law enfoecement can be very misguiding,they tell you onething and coherce you into saying something else to suit them,I have had experience in this situation.They say Jodi lies,I sure if any person were scared and pressured by the law and the prosecutor the results would be the same.Jodi says she cant remember certain details,the mind is a powerful thing and can block out tramatic events forever,case in point with combat vetrans,I am a fireman and have seen some very graphic things and I have forgotten certain details.I believe Jodi is innocent and should be exonerated of her accuations and let this vibrant young woman get on with here life and put this dark time behind her.I wonder if the jury hears any of this outside influence,good or bad,how does the state control this as they said that there was certain jurors had pesonal commitments to attend to?God bless Jodi.
It is sad, here is a statement that I just read ” Too bad the system doesnt allow for people like her to be burned alive “at the stake”; this chick has earned that and then some” And this is a civilized nation.
Clearly Leah, we are not a civilized nation. That is why we all need to fight for Truth and Justice.
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if trolls wander in,this is why…lol
Look at the pic of her son under her photos. Doesn’t look like he’s done jail time much… lol
haha my thoughts exactly on that Dog !
I do have a couple of questions for you all. Jodi said she filled up the gas cans in Pasadena because she had never driven the 15 to Utah before and wanted the extra gas just in case. Why did she fill up the gas cans 30 minutes AFTER her last phone conversation with Travis confirming her choice to see him instead?
The other question I have is regarding her phone charger. She was in Pasadena when she noticed it was missing. If she was scared enough about running out of gas in the desert why was she not scared enough to stop at a Walmart for phone cord? I would much rather have a working phone for emergencies than a couple tanks of gas.
Fact finder – I have driven cross country alone a number of times without a phone at all. I like to have gas cans filled as you never know where the next gas station will be, how much and if it is even open for business. As for the phone charger – my guess would be she didn’t know where to buy one? I didn’t know until recently that I could buy a universal one at a gas station and even nowadays it is iffy as to whether they would have one or not… I would not think that Walmart would carry one.
As for your question about the filling cans up 30 minutes AFTER… could you please elaborate? I don’t recall that part of the testimony. (I honestly don’t know how speaking with TA would affect whether she has extra gas-on-hand, though.)
Her testimony was exactly as I stated. She filled up the cans in Pasadena because she had never driven the highway from Pasadena to Utah. Her last conversation according to phone records took place 30 minutes before she filled the cans. At the time of filling the fans she already knew she would be traveling to AZ. Jodi has driven that trip from CA to AZ many times before and knew there would be plenty of places to stop for gas. Besides, her testimony was not that she filled them for her drive to AZ but for her drive on I-15 to Utah.
Is a working phone going to actually work in the middle of the desert? Whereas a can of gas will keep your car moving. I’d rather have a drivable car than be stranded with a working phone.
Well I cant get hold of my husband in certain areas she drove.
For one I do live in AZ and have made the same drive to LA many times. I have never had issues with cell reception on this drive.
Aside from the phone I still cannot understand her explanation for filling the gas cans in Pasadena.
She first stated she borrowed the cans to purchase cheaper gas in UT or NV. I can understand that however she stated in direct that her need for filling the tanks in Pasadena chabged due to her fear of driving I15 because she had never driven to UT before. That sounds fine too however it makes zero sense that she filled these cans up after her last phone call to Travis at 8:16. At 8.42 when she filled up the cans and car she knew she was driving to Phoenix. She never said she filled them for a trip to AZ.
Had she filled them up before her last call to Travis her explanation would be possible.
You don’t want to run out of gas at any time driving through the desert or anywhere by yourself especially! If she filled up her car, had 4 cans it wouldn’t make a damn to me. 3 full, one empty.
All it proves to me is that she didn’t want to run out.
How that would be anything to do with pre-meditated murder. If she left her home, took a gun and shot him when he opened the door, that would be premeditated.
To me all of this other is just BS!
http://youtu.be/jzLpdx1-Lc8
BLOOD ATONEMENT
Video On Victim of Blood atonement
Many say this is still practiced and Slitting throat ear to ear.
It’s always bad when someone has to use ‘many say’…IMO
So when was the last time this was verified to have occured?
I just hate to see people following a red herring like the one provided by that creepy guy on behalf of Jodi. I don’t like him claiming he told her to hide behind her hair to cry, most women would do this on their own, and I really don’t like him making her seem crazy by pointing to this blood atonement when she has already admitted that she killed TA. He hurts her credibility.
He is just looking for excuses to be on TV, and really should just STFU.
This is a very serious case, and her defense is self defense, and he just mucks it up and detracts from what the defense is presenting. It’s not helping Jodi!!
I agree. Although the way its being explained sounds very suspicious – his family background make me question whether his brother could have given travis’ name when arrested, caught charges, travis found out and made some attempt with PPL legal to clear it up but the public records weren’t removed or clarified. Then the family covered it up because travis had died. They lied a few times because it was Travis brother and they didn’t want people to find that out, because his brother was arrested on a battery and didn’t THEY want THAT to come out; which is why they were acting suspicious. Does that make sense? anyone?
I just found this website over the weekend after receiving an email from SJ support. Thank you for all the supporting and mentioning my website. It is very heartwarming to know not everyone in this country has fallen for the media driven blood lust, hate mongering, and pandering to the public’s lowest emotions. It is very nice to know that social justice, and not just retribution, is alive and well.
I did not see that Jodiariasisinnocent has a twitter account. If there is one, I would like to follow it. My twitter account is @vlga and I actively tweet about this trial.
Thank you again!
Vladamir,
No, thank you! Seriously. I have not found any unbiased news sources. From the start of this trial, all articles covering this trial have been pretty venomous and have already come up with their own verdict. It was refreshing and heartwarming to see at least one person on the air report things objectively.
*Vladimir (excuse me, sorry I misspelled your name)
Hi Vladimir!
Welcome to the website – and thanks for your earlier post regarding the ongoing failure of the state.
SJ
Team Jodi
Vladimir,
Welcome. You ought to keep up with us. We often have legal questions and arguments and we kind of muck along and do some research and generally reach a conclusion. However the input of a qualified attorney would sure be welcome and helpful.
Welcome to the site! I really enjoy your podcasts – thank you for being a voice of reason!
Thank you so much, Mr. Gagic, for your very informative posts in regards to this case, and the BlogTalk call last Friday. I really enjoyed it. I have referred several people to your website because other than this one, it’s the only non-biased source of information any of us can find. Every other source appears to be “rinse and repeat” daily.
Thank you for being on the side of Truth and Justice.
Wouldn’t a compact car with 3 filled gas cans be rife with gas fumes?
When I get one can filled for my lawn mower I can’t wait until I’m home as the fumes are terribly.
I can’t imagine driving for hours with the fumes building inside a hot trunk!
Wouldn’t the trunk smell of fumes and contaminate everything inside the trunk and filter into the car?
I would think the driver might suffer a terrible headache or lightheadedness from breathing in the fumes after a while…?
For those who frequently travel the desert is it common practice to carry gas in the trunk?
depends on the cans and how good the seal is. but, yeah, mine smell too.
Really an it was 100 degrees on the days she was traveling also. I would be very worried about explosion but I have a feeling she was doing most the traveling at night hours when it was cooler in the desert so she was pretty smart. As a truck driver I rarely went across the desert in the heat of the day I waited till sunset as it is much easier on the motor.
Gas does not ignite from heat, it needs a source of ignition such as a flame or spark. The cans would expand from the heat, increasing the chances of gas overflowing out of the cans, but even then its not going to suddenly burst in to flames. People carry extra fuel in their trunks all the time for lawn mowers, snowblowers, dirt bikes, boats and all the other toys. You don’t often hear people complaining about the gas smell inside their car.
Yes that is true. I guess I should have said if involved in a accident it would be horrific if a big truck rear ended a car with gasoline in the rear end in cans like that.
Rosmos Anderson was a Danish man who had come to Utah … He had married a widow lady … and she had a daughter that was fully grown at the time of the reformation. The girl was very anxious to be sealed to her step-father,… At one of the meetings during the reformation Anderson and his step-daughter confessed that they had committed adultery, believing when they did so that Brigham Young would allow them to marry when he learned the facts. Their confession being full, they were rebaptized and received into full membership. They were then placed under covenant that if they again committed adultery, Anderson should suffer death. Soon after this a charge was laid against Anderson before the Council, accusing him of adultery with his step-daughter. This Council was composed of Klingensmith and his two counselors; it was the Bishop’s Council. Without giving Anderson any chance to defend himself or make a statement, the Council voted that Anderson must die for violating his covenants. Klingensmith went to Anderson and notified him that the orders were that he must die by having his throat cut, so that the running of his blood would atone for his sins. Anderson, being a firm believer in the doctrines and teachings of the Mormon Church, made no objections, but asked for half a day to prepare for death. His request was granted. His wife was ordered to prepare a suit of clean clothing, in which to have her husband buried, and was informed that he was to be killed for his sins, she being directed to tell those who should enquire after her husband that he had gone to California.
Klingensmith, James Haslem, Daniel McFarland and John M. Higbee dug a grave in the field near Cedar City, and that night, about 12 o’clock, went to Anderson’s house and ordered him to make ready to obey the Council. Anderson got up, dressed himself, bid his family good-bye, and without a word of remonstrance accompanied those that he believed were carrying out the will of the “Almighty God.” They went to the place where the grave was prepared; Anderson knelt upon the side of the grave and prayed. Klingensmith and his company then cut Anderson’s throat from ear to ear and held him so that his blood ran into the grave. Slashing the Throat Ear to Ear is strange. And only a person controlled by a cult or in a cult could do such a monstrous act.
If for instance the LDS does not adhere to this teaching which I am sure most people do not why the Hell is Joseph Smiths Statues Still on display teachings still taught.
This is a problem ignoring rational thinking is at the core of all Cults. Too many modern day stories of Throat Slashing.
.http://www.utlm.org/newsletters/no56.htm
I think the defense should call you to the stand to testify on Jodi’s behalf.
Oliviero
Ear to ear throat slashing is not that rare. Its been around for ever and a day. Its common in the drug underworld, where it’s called a Columbian Necktie. It’s common in a variety of other situations. I think the biggest thing is that it has become symbolic of execution and so is often employed in crimes of passion. If I remember correctly Nicole Simpson’s throat was slashed as well.
Yes, Nicole Simpson did have her throat slashed – so deeply that a vertebra was incised.
Yes and many believe it was a Professional KILLER(s). Jodi Arias is not a Professional Killer has NO INVOLVEMENT with Drug Lords and was far smaller then Travis also she does not strike me in my Gut Feeling as someone capable of slitting his throat. Just my opinion but this has been done in LDS and they did behave like a cult deciding who dates who?? the philosophy itself is disturbing they have yet to distance themselves in an appropriate manner from Joseph Smith Young and the rest of the Sickos who perpetrated this Fraud etc.
Yes, one of the first things I thought when I heard the details of weapons and injuries. Slashing the throat in my mind is not something a woman would do. After just watching that atonement video you posted, and the mystery around Ashley Thompson … makes one wonder.
Its a terrible question – but to those who may be hunters and have used a knife on an animal … is it easy to do a throat slash? I hate to cut into raw chicken and avoid it whenever possible.
I cannot think it would be a simple task to get a throat slash as precise as this appears in the crime photos. I would think it would take a fair amount of strength not to mention the grit and guts needed.
It seems out of character for an average young women who may premeditating to kill would consider using this means – It is so messy and so brutal. It would never cross my mind if I were thinking up ways to get revenge. The proximity needed to do it so close.
I would think it would be near impossible for a female to look into the eyes of someone she is sharing intimacy with while has this plan swirling around in her head…it does not compute in my head at all. Even in a self defense situation doing this would never cross my mind …
Is it possible a Mormon roommate or one of the *friends* of Travis entered the house during the time Jodi and Travis were frolicking about in the afternoon, heard them having sex and returned at some point to ensure Travis atoned for his sins against the church?
I could see where a betrayed friend who looked up to Travis for his alleged moral virtues could be angered by the betrayal. Could he have felt it was his Mormon duty to see that Travis paid for his sins of premarital fornication and lying etc.
The part about dragging the body about and getting it over the ledge of the shower is a conundrum for me. Even in the adrenaline filled moments of what would be required in this type of event could Jodi move him about? That takes a lot of strength to move dead weight.
For me personally, I could never cut someones throat. I could shoot someone in the head or stab them in the heart, but that’s a fairly clean kill. Slashing someones throat is extremely messy, blood would be everywhere.
I was going to say it takes a real sick f*ck to slit a persons throat, but then when you think about it, look at the people that work in slaughterhouses that slit live animals throats and watch them die inhumane deaths every single day. And hunters, well, they’re no different. So I guess in this world there are people that have the ability to perform such acts of violence against another being, and then there are those that can’t.. or don’t.. or won’t. What Jodi did to TA’s throat is really not that horrific when you consider there are thousands of people that do it to animals every day.
Travis was a Human being Not a Animal in the slaughter house Jodi had relations with him she loved him. There just is more to this story then I had a black out NOT a Good Defense.
Ollviero, I agree with you.
She had just spent a day being intimate with him. I cannot fathom her having the idea to slaughter him in such a fashion.
Even in a dazed, enraged out of touch with reality moment I have to wonder if doing this type of act is doable for someone who is not practiced in this..?
Not everyone buys in to that theory that human beings are superior to other species. Some believe all living species are equal so making a distinction between animal and human is irrelevant. But that’s a whole other discussion…
But some people believe their oatmeal speaks with them saying that does not make it true.”Some People” means nothing. Most People would not agree with that analogy and, that is why those people, whether you like it or not, are NOT on trial for Slitting the throat of a chicken and even though it was premeditated they still will not be indicted by a Grand Jury & receive a DP sentence for it. Most rational intelligent human beings see a difference between killing an animal and a Human being especially the circumstances surrounding the throat slashing.
But to my knowledge Jodi wasn’t a hunter nor worked in a slaughterhouse. I agree there are and always will be folks who can commit horrendous crimes.
I’m not sure I could stab another human or animal.
I know I could never shoot an animal. I hate to squash a bug and put them outside if possible.
I hope I will never be in a situation where I’m faced with needing to shoot someone. I’m not sure I could do that either. I would flee and run rather than fight.
My point was more so that IF I was in a situation where my life was at risk I could shoot someone or stab them to protect myself, and I would shoot or stab them repeatedly if I had to, but I would not try to cut their head off. That’s a whole other level of thinking going on there.
It is a whole other level than self-defense, I agree. Please see my post below about rage.
Dog, I understand what you mean. And I agree that the throat cutting is a whole different thing…
I do not see this as being something an average non criminal female would plant in her head, in premeditation, as a means of revenge nor do I see this idea springing into their mind in real time, during a self defense situation either.
It’s so brutal and so messy and requires such close proximity and I would think strength to make this happen.
I think what you’re saying is completely plausible. Roommate theories keep coming up over and over and over and over again….don’t they?: Oh Dustin Thompson, come out come out, wherever you are! Unless he IS the guy in jail for mortgage fraud…
Dog, I don’t think most people can imagine cutting someone’s throat. I know I can’t.
But, I also think that because we’ve all been really, really angry at one time or another, that we think know the furthest limits of our capacity for anger: rage. It’s possible that we haven’t truly experienced rage, though we think we have. It may seem silly to look for a definition of rage, because we think we know what it is. But, just read a bit from Wikipedia:
“Rage can sometimes lead to a state of mind where the individual experiencing it believes, and often is capable of doing things that may normally seem physically impossible. Those experiencing rage usually feel the effects of high adrenaline levels in the body. This increase in adrenal output raises the physical strength and endurance levels of the person and sharpens their senses, while dulling the sensation of pain.”
And the bio-chemistry:
“Rage occurs when oxytocin, vasopressin, and corticotropin-releasing hormone are rapidly released from the hypothalamus. This results in the pituitary gland producing and releasing large amounts of the adrenocorticotropic hormone, which causes the adrenal cortex to release corticosteroids. This chain reaction occurs when faced with a threatening situation.”
And the psychology:
“Rage is often used to denote hostile/affective/reactive aggression (as distinct from predatory/instrumental/proactive aggression, which by contrast is motivated by a desire to obtain some goal by use of aggression). It denotes aggression where there is anger present, that is motivated by causing some harm to others, and that is characterized by impulsive thinking and a lack of planning [ … ] Much of the behavior experienced from anger has been studied extensively, but most do not know what causes the next step, rage, or why some people go the extra emotional mile. Rage is considered to be an emergency reaction, in which we as humans are pre-wired to possess. Rage tends to be expressed when a person faces a threat to their pride, position, status or dignity.”
Well, I don’t know. I’ve been so angry that I was shaking, and wanted to hit something or someone. But, I didn’t do that. So, maybe, that wasn’t really a rage. Or, if it was a rage, my body was able to reset itself, both chemically and psychologically.
Perhaps, in a bona fide rage, most of us would be capable of acts that fundamentally violate our concept of ourselves?
But since Jodi is not a DRUG LORD, nor involved in such a scenario, but was involved in a cult that practiced this and covered up the practice of this, I would find it something to explore since the Demeanor of MS Arias by her Critics is her lack of emotion, also her reluctance to criticize Travis Alexander. Most likely The Simpson Case was carried out by professionals not a 110 LB Girl. In OJ for instance you saw two very in shape victims and OJ who had physical limitations due to Football injuries, Domestic Abuse was there but also a lot of fowl play by Prosecution so much evidence was thrown out. Jodi Arias behavior to credible Psychiatrist is that of someone controlled by a Cult, The Ross Institute defines the behavior of this particular group as a Cult. So putting all the pieces together is necessary for a legitimate defense. Nobody can deny the flood of Mormon Friends of Travis taking to the air waves daily to Trash Ms. Arias Gus for instance was not a cheerleader for Travis stated that many were afraid to come forward. We have not one report of Jodi being violent yet we have a Criminal Record of Travis..
Yes an people this is not from Biblical times this was just in the late 1800’s in the UNITED STATES. An it seriously bothers me that PEOPLE on those HATERS sites can actually say they are CHRISTIANS with what I read they say? an they actually can say all of us on this site will surely go to HELL for standing behind JODI. Yes I read that on one of those walls an all I have to say about that I truly feel those that throw stones before they even know the whole TRUTH are likely to have to answer a lot more than I/WE will have too at our time.
Rhonda….Those “haters” have so much venom in them that they wouldn’t even know the truth if it slapped them in the face…and since their hatred prevents them from recognizing the truth…then they would never recognize God…
God is pleased that we do not have that type of venom in us for mankind…and he will surely reward us for being obedient to him…
May God Bless Everyone On This Site!!!!!
That’s funny so we are hell bound now for having a differing opinion? Love to see scripture saying that. LOL
He who lives by the sword Dies by the sword so I guess Let Me See Joseph Smith Verses Christ.
NOT TOO DIFFICULT!!
Yes and many believe it was a Professional KILLER(s) with OJ. Jodi Arias is not a Professional Killer has NO INVOLVEMENT with Drug Lords and was far smaller then Travis, also she does not strike me in my Gut Feeling as someone capable of slitting his throat. Just my opinion but this has been done in LDS and they did behave like a cult deciding who dates who?? the philosophy itself is disturbing they have yet to distance themselves in an appropriate manner from Joseph Smith Young and the rest of the Sickos who perpetrated this Fraud etc. Lets not forget the 911 call by Travis”Friends” JODI DID IT. If I saw such a horrific killing, I couldn’t have the answer right away and if I was INDEED a friend My tone of voice would not at all resemble that of the girl or girls saying in this Tattle Tale Fashion JODI DID IT. That emotional response is worthy of Jodi ate the brownies MOM, NOT Jodi Slit Travis throat. Listen to 911 call, so another words we didn’t need a trial Just Travis’s Mormon Friends to tell us in a heartbeat who did this without any SUBSTANTIAL evidence to prove he was being stalked by her. Many said that Jodi had full access to his home yet we have yet to see them on TV.. He certainly did not seem afraid of her. Look how small she is why would these girls Assume right away she was capable of this even Flores didn’t in the beginning and the Jurors asked about the room mates. The emotional response by these Gals was BEYOND strange very inappropriate.. Listen to the emotion.
I agree with that. The 911 Call. The girl “pretends” to be asking Jodi’s name on one part of the call….only listened quickly once but I think there were at least 2 or 3 different people on the call.
Maggie,
Thanks I have to listen to that again what stood out was the TONE. .
The first 911 call, that I remember, was a guy saying yes he’s in the bedroom and he’s dead. ( no emotion )
Then a girl takes over and they asked if there were any enemies or something like that.
The girl says yes, there’s this girl that’s been stalking him and slashing his tires ( no emotion the )
The 911 call that they played in court was a different one.
It was a girl, kind of shaken calling in.
I can’t find the first one that I just posted on you tube or anywhere else on here, but I can the one they played in court.
I just thing that is very strange, but I guess the prosecutor didn’t the first one played.
Theydid the same thing in Casey’s case. They didn’t want to play Kronk calling in, but Jose did when he got his turn. : )
On one site I passed over some one had their name as *Jesus is my Guide* or some such wording. I cracked up at the vile and hateful words she’d written about Jodi.
I’m an atheist but didn’t Jesus say something about “doing on to others” …? Sheesh, what a bunch of hypocrites out there.
And don’t get me started on Nancy Grace! She’s an attorney for goodness sake! I guess she missed the classes that taught one is innocent until proven guilty.
OMG! just heard a A FEW comments FOR Jodi. i think the ppl here r making her case re: public opinion.
the comments esp. were prosecution not having the gun, not knowing what knife was used. jean c. agreeing w/that…
and that she’s not on trial for lying…
other than that they focusing on the gas cans… OY!
lies helped put her in this bad position…
BUT if jodi was all about lying, she would have simply lied about the killing… “i only remember shooting him…” let the defense leave the rest up to speculation and let da prove the rest.
Did HLN make a comment about the criminal record?
Why has Travis Criminal record not been discussed at all by media?? How about the comments made on my space Is NURMI ASLEEP Someone talks about KY & Homosexuality child molestation etc. Its my opinion that her defense is very weak WHY. F.LEE BAILEY would just crucify someone like Martinez same with Spence. The Dr.Sheppard case is a prime example of the media circus and Bailey’s relentless attack on the Media which was completely correct. Where is the desire for The TRUTH. The media knows nothing about Travis. SORRY!!! That does not FLY!!
I just heard on HLN that JVM will have on tonight trying to “debunk” the swirl about TA having a possible criminal record. They mentioned all of us here (some of the SUPPORTERS) are trying to trash the victim for having a criminal record. REALLY? I believe it’s a fact proven by the legal jurisdictions own public records.
I’ll watch just to see what the next story will be they come up with as to why it isn’t really TA’s criminal record. Next it will be ET that did it.
Jane, you ignorant slut. Sorry, it just fit.
Well, shouldn’t that be interesting. Sure hope they speak exactly correctly and without slandering anyone….The facebook postings only posted facts from the official courthouse site. No insinuations were made (only thought:)
http://www.change.org/petitions/trial-by-media-is-wrong-stop-the-spin-headline-news-hln-nancy-grace-jane-velez-mitchell-jean-casarez-vinnie-politan-dr-drew
listening to opening statements… I wish she would do more of the talking and Nurmi do less.
LOL!! YOU IGNORANT SLUT!!!!!!!!!!!
Thanks for doing that Bystander. I won’t be watching because I just got the Nat. Enquirer and will be busy reading that!!
I heard them say Jane Vilez whatever her name is will DEBUNK that theory tonight ? on the arrest convictions of Travis that the Jodi is Innocent site produced ??
LOL, Rhonda – we posted at the same time!
AWESOME!
I seen that ! I was shocked to hear that was flipping through at the right moment oh they said it with such a evil grin too gives me the creeps !
Yes, the JA site produced the ‘Riverside Superior Court Public Access” website and entered false info about Travis Alexander. Must have been those damn Anonymous Hackers…
Right, Dog! We are such a creative group here, aren’t we?!
wow! We are good!
We are way more powerful than we ever knew…
Hope JVM mentions the special glasses you need to make sure you get with your membership in Pre-Paid Legal!
How does a Mormon become a Saint? Hmmm….I know there’s a joke in there. I’ll let you guys finish…
Refresh my memory please, back in 2008 wasn’t the US suffering from the worst economical meltdown since the great depression? And weren’t gas prices fluctuating like the stock market? People were buying the storing gas by the barrel in order to save money. Well, according the JM all these people were primed to premeditate a murder!! What a joke!!
Lying because of fear is what got her to this point. And OF COURSE it was SUPPOSED to benefit her! But she was doing so to benefit her AND I believe her family and maybe others, and still is. Who wouldn’t have been afraid, no matter what exactly happened? Is she lying now? Yes and no. Is she lying, or has Nurmi purposely and strategically left out questions? Yeah, she’s protecting someone, or more than one. I felt it in some of her responses- yeah, call me psychic! And the FACTS add up to this rational and logical possibility. Love how they all just gloss over the fact she’d probably never told a lie in her life until this happened! Oh, except for sneaking out of her house when she was a teenager and lying to her dad!….Good grief!
http://www.change.org/petitions/trial-by-media-is-wrong-stop-the-spin-headline-news-hln-nancy-grace-jane-velez-mitchell-jean-casarez-vinnie-politan-dr-drew
SJ and friends – we are making an impact on the HLN loons. They just mentioned that Jane Velez will have on her show tonight to try and DEBUNK the accusations from us here that he has a criminal record. I’d say that they are watching us now. Hopefully the petition is working. Seems like a few of them are “trying” to at least mention both sides now.
Debunking using a court document from riverside right? LOL we shall see. I saw that too.
Yep, can’t wait to hear what the next excuse or story will be.
Sometimes it only takes one voice yelling loud enough to break that mob mentality. Hope springs eternal. 🙂
You can guarantee they are watching this site like a hawk. I wouldn’t doubt for a second someone somewhere has IT people trying to hack this forum to gain access to email addresses and trace IP addresses to figure out who everyone on the site is.
Wow. They will be severly disappointed when they find me. I just won’t fit their theory and profile of some radical wacko that would support Jodi. 🙂 LOL
Haha, TR!
I”m not sure what that “radical profile” would entail, but I’ll find an expert somewhere and start creating my persona, experiences, etc. to fit the profile…so I can go on HLN! You know like Jodi and her made up abuse stories! ARghhhh
Oh yes, Jaz, never give up hope!
http://www.change.org/petitions/trial-by-media-is-wrong-stop-the-spin-headline-news-hln-nancy-grace-jane-velez-mitchell-jean-casarez-vinnie-politan-dr-drew
LOL Maggie. If nothing else, this is an intellegent crowd here, as evidenced by the senses of humor. We can find some levity without being vile, or diminishing the seriousness of the situation.
Wait, so it’s radical to look at the evidence, and draw your own conclusions?
What a sad state our society is in, if independent thinking is so far off the beaten path.
and wacko
Yes MB. I think it has become radical to have critical thinking. Thank God there are still a few of us Radicals left!!
why would they do that?? OMG that is scary!!
okay so maybe you are kidding, I took that seriously and it freaked me out…sorry
I hope they are watching – I used to actually watch HLN as news until this trial. Now I know they are nothing but a propaganda site; like the Occupy HLN FB page says – a propaganda arm of the prison lobby. And who knows who else pays them to slander innocent people who are caught in the court system. This site rocks!
you need to read the police report on mimi zac enrique dustan ashley you will need to seperate make notes on each zac story changes and dustan was never mention about being at travis house the nite all his friends showed up think ashley is dead now ////// everyone of them pointed to Jodi and now they want her dead.
tonya, on the report I read that Flores wrote, the night Travis was found Enrique was NOT on the list of those who went to the police, if I remember correctly. I thought it was mentioned Enrique was at the house.
Do we know why Enrique didn’t go with the others.
Are there other police reports other than the Flores one?
We also don’t know what Travis was telling his good Mormon friends – was he telling them he was being stalked by Jodi etc. He may have been telling them he couldn’t get rid of her to explain why she was still around – to keep his image squeaky clean – and trashing hers – while making the late night phone sex calls to her. The friends would have no reason to not believe him and would only see her as being obsessed with him.
NO the 6 people at the house during the 911 call enriquez woke him up kim his girlfriend? zachary the one that intered his room amanda his girlfriend kare dallin michell marie hall the one that call 911 some one called dustan and he went to the house that nite his wife say he does yet he is not questioned. untill wife call in takes to someone and hangs up read the report flors just about the calander to the right that is what im reading and still not finished yet getting tired. but will go on looking for holes in this to help save jody from the death penality
tonya,
If Enrique was at the house the night the 911 call was made why didn’t he go to the PD along with the others? That puzzled me when I first read Flores’ report.
I’ll re-read it to see what I missed.
get some rest … it is all consuming and exhausting! 🙂
And all of these people knew that he was dead already. They knew it when they arrived at Cancun,One guy that said he introduced Travis to Jodi hoping they had found him a wife and Gus Searcy also knew.
So the people at PPL in Cancun already knew .
I guess the grl that was supposed to go with Travis to Cancun wasn’t to worried.
Were there any calls made to find out why Travis was dead fronm Cancun.
If it had been my friend dead, I would have been back immediately, NOT stayed in Cancun.
That’s crazy!
Well, now we are going to have to watch JVM to see how she “debunks” an arrest record! Maybe she has magic underwear that the rest of us are not aware of…LOL
Well, if she has magic underwear I wish they would help her be a better TV personality. She has to be the worst one on TV. Her voice and style is very off putting.
True! And the Michael Jackson look makes me have a hard time listening to her! 🙂
🙂
Or, maybe a magic wand they can wave over the criminal record to make it get expunged in an hour! Have you ever heard such nonsense?? It’s like they think no one knows any better about how the law works. Sorry, but most of here do have some common and legal sense enoguh to know better!
Just cuz they say it doesn’t make it so ..
but if the followers who bow before them believe them that’s all they care about.
Bet it never airs. They’d never say anything neg about him
I bet they won’t have any factual evidence, it will probably be a bunch of his cult members paid to keep his name polished so sparkling clean. I will not believe it unless they show reliable facts. I know we didn’t just make this stuff up from no where, we showed hard evidence to back our claims, can they do the same? We shall see, but we all know their version of “debunk”.
LOL! I was just thinking about the infamous video Drew harped on and on about that was supposed to be proof of how evil, creepy, and weird Jodi was. The one where she is napping for 90% of the video. WOW! The real evidence was the CREEPY hand holding cult couple going on about Jodi’s evil sexual vibes, and how she was obviously out to steal married men. LOL!
If they have Shanna wha’shername on there who swears it, then we’ll know they are full of crapola.
by the way, I checked out her site and she has written an article about people installing keylogger crap on their phone to catch cheating exes yet she’s writing about Jodi calling her a stalker? Really now. Not saying keylogger crap is bad just saying the irony is rich.
Lol, “wha’shername” ! This woman’s regurgitation of the cult talking points is a complete non-factor.
haha I agree the ones coming forward saying “Oh we knew it the moment we met Jodi she was different an strange” oh really how did she get into that LDS group they do not just let people in there like normal churches do from what I read anyways you have to pass certain things. But maybe that is just for the Sacred Temple part they make is so confusing I would never join for the hurdles you have to jump to be a member give me a break. Should have been a RED FLAG for Jodi but I Truly believe she was just naive an in love not obsessed like they say. She followed his lead after all if she was so evil he would have left the congregation for Jodi for she would have spells like they keep saying. Sheep follow as the HLN followers do an the same goes for that congregation of people.
I love all the stupidity that is being exposed by their silly guest The lady intuitive, Astrologers, Mormon Sex Therapist, Mormon Psychics, Just so pathetic. The body language experts. Doctor DREAD!!
I wonder if that was the same PPL conference when she wore that horribly slutty buttoned-up-suit-jacket-without-a-shirt-under-it number. Whoever heard of such wanton exhibitionism?
yes, this should be good. you know it won’t be proven with documents, it will be PPL saying “yes, we had it expunged”
Touche’, Touche’, Touche’ kmiller. Many points go to you.
Have the roomate’s been question on any of these shows about anything? How does one let alone 4 people come and go in a house with a rotting dead body and not smell it. The house was not that big. How is it that none of these well educated legal minds on TV haven’t stopped to consider that Jodi might not have acted alone? They just take these random people’s word for it. They don’t bother to vet these people or the information they provide. They love to talk about how Jodi has impeached herself on the stand yet they cling to statement made by Travis’s fiends and family who 1) thought he was a virgin and 2) didn’t think he even contacted Jodi anymore. Such money hungry hypocrites. Just report the facts and let the chips fall where they may. The bias on HLN these days it disturbing. I like hearing two sides debate the facts. This is part of the reason people were shocked when Casey Anthony was acquitted. They only wanted to hear what they wanted to hear and ignore the facts.
As far as the FB page … Yikes. It is a scary world we live in where grown men and women can ignore certain evidence in order to justify their option. I honestly don’t know what I believe thus far. I’m waiting until I have all of the evidence and will decide after closing arguments just like I hope the jury is doing. I will say I still have a lot of questions at this point, I like reading on here because it seems you all have the same questions I do. I won’t lie and say that some of the other evidence against Jodi isn’t compelling because it is but I’m trying to determine if there is a reason so many things don’t add up yet here she sits on trial for her life and his roomate’s haven’t even so much as been issued an supena to testify to the information that led police to Jodi.
Confused that’s how I ended up here too, too many things not adding up. Here we can ask questions, debate and look at other’s point of view without mob mentality hysterics.
THE ONLY THING BAD ABOUT REPORTING HERE IS THAT THE TRAVIS BASHERS ARE READING OUR COMMENTS AND REPORTING BACK AND ABOUT THE TRAVIS POLICE REPORT THING BEING ARRESTED DONT YOU THINK THE THE MONEY WILL PUT A STOP TO THAT BEING BROUGHT UP IN COURT OR NURMI TEAM. BUT IF WE DONT SOMETHING COULD SLIDE BY THAT COULD HELP HER CASE AND TAKE THE DEATH PENALITY AWAY KEEP SLUTHING FOR THE DEFENCE CAN NOT AFFORD LIKE THE STATE CAN
CONFUSED READ THE POLICE REPORT LOCATED ABOUT THE CALANDER ON THE RIGHT FLORES REPORT STATEMENT FROM ALL THOSE WHO LIVED IN THE HOUSE AND THE ONES THAT MADE MADE THE 911 CALL AND THE FRIENDS THAT WERE CALLED AND CAME WITH HER TO TRAVISES HOUSE AND DUSTIN AND ASHLEY ZAC NEED TO NIC PICK IT TO SEE THE BIG PICTURE.
Why are they getting SO worked up over this? They doth protest too much, methinks. 🙂
Why would a national news agency be so concerned about what was said on someone’s website? So concerned that they are going to debunk things that have been posted here. A lot of the posters here know that we speculate and says things like this is our personal opinion. We found something, and we have done a lot of speculating about it, because of the charge of battery with serious bodily injuring. I think we hit a nerve and could ruin TA’s image of being a walk on water virginal saint who was sucked in by an evil succubus seductress black widow who eats her prey.
$$$$$$$
From ?????
Lol, “hit a nerve” is right! Look, most of the Travis-town mouth-breathers were completely content with the “expunged” explanation. JVM won’t have to do much to please them. We, on the other hand, are not so easily coned. Oh, and if PPL is on there with any comment they should be questioned about their awesome Identity theft protection plan.
LOLOL. Well, these are the same people who were content with the stalking and obsession claims without anything to back them up.
Ignorance is rampant.
Again Touche’ LOL
Really, is that what they’re talking about now on the news, the jodiairiasisinnocent website? ??
LOL TB.
TB, don’t underestimate the powers we have! INFORMATION IS POWER, remember that!
Guys, we have about as much ability to investigate as HLN or the others. We just don’t have the advertising or the name…yet…:)
Here’s another news flash….When I first started hearing about the case just from HLN, I was like the haters…Then, as so many have, I came and started reviewing the facts sans sensationalized commentary. Voila’! So I came here and made up the name, “Maggie”…I am Maggie here…but I am me on facebook. Real name, real photos, about as real as one can get. I suck at trying to say, “kinda anonymous”, and besides, I stand by what I say and what I believe. So threaten me if you wish. Call me names…yadda yadda. That doesn’t change any of the facts I present. I’m not 100% convinced of any of what really happened! But I do know there are way too many holes to render a verdict less than not guilty.
Anyway, this site rocks and I am proud to be a “member” , “poster”, or as I wrote this morning, a “fellow truth and justice seeker”!
Okay, let’s see what Ms. Jane has to say! And she best not slander any of us, right?:)
Sandra Webber Yes, Jane, please do help us separate “fact from fiction”. Facts are what jodiariasisinnocent.com posted. Many have speculated and that is beyond the control of anyone else. It has become tiring that Jodi Arias is continually slandered and maligned for slashing tires, stalking, and much more without one shred of credible evidence or corroborating source, other than “friends of Travis”…Need we say more? This is the factual record online from Riverside County, CA Superior Court. We’re all wanting to know the truth. Who stole Travis’ identity if this is not truly Travis V. Alexander, 7-28-77? And why should we believe that without any proof other than, “he said, she said”, no matter if it is family or Shannon Hogan. WE TRUST YOU WILL GET TO THE BOTTOM OF THINGS! THANK YOU, JANE! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkqSxfJQfd8
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I don’t have a tv, will someone please come back and report on this later? Or is it available online? I’m clueless when it comes to watching actual television programs.
BeeCee go to the HLN website hlntv, you can watch the show online, click on watch now
Only internet, no cable for me, I can’t login with any subscriber info.
That’s ok! i’m sure you all will provide details!
Not hold my breath. Just their definition of “fact from fiction” means absolutely nothing to me what so ever. They air bullshit all the time. This isn’t going to suddenly change
same same
If they had done their homework in the FIRST place, then this wouldn’t be such a SHOCK to Travis-town!
Right, exactly. The quick media-manufactured response that it was expunged tells me that those close to Travis figured it would come out sooner or later.
The irony here, is that it was talked about on the State vs Jodi Arias site first! We just followed up on it.
I didn’t know it was there first.
The lemmings on the state site automatically believed the expunged statement, again, what the hell did we expect from them, lol
A criminal record would prevent gun buying at a storein Az
Every jurisdiction is different on the gun laws. In my State, the laws vary from county to county on who can get a gun permit and purchase a firearm legally. For example, in the county I live in anyone without a felony conviction can purchase a firearm. In the neighboring county, certain misdeamnors will keep you from getting a gun permit. So, it does vary. Not sure about the laws where TA resided.
All across the US not just AZ
Battery of spouse is considered a domestic violence crime.
Federal law
I think the problem here is that the DV charge got dropped…..correct? I’m not sure, it just says Battery, but isn’t specific beyond that. Could very well be.
not in the 21 pg report
specifically mentions battery of spouse/ex/date….
I think we should all try to call in tonight and ask Jane some of our questions and make our points regarding the criminal report! I know I am going to try and try to get through. We should also tweet her.
Does any one know how to record this to put it on you tube, so people who missed can watch later. JVM just said her staff has been working on this all day. Wonder if this will answer all our questions.
There is one out there I seen it ! someone from UK made it can’t remember the name on it tho? I will go look for it last I looked it had 78 hits on it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkqSxfJQfd8
FOUND IT !
This has been taken down now due to violating youtube harassment policy!
JVM said “Bombshell catch”
they believe the expunged bullsh!t…..watch
Or it was one of his brothers who stole his ID..and was arrested..
OR they will claim it is with nothing valid to back it up.
they have their own arrest records….I wont buy that one
See my post above!
http://imgur.com/delete/3nFdxpUQEyKdK5z
Not sure if this will show up but that SHOE PRINT I tried to change the color so you can
see the small squares like a bottom of some tennis shoes are. I can see it but some
people can’t just trying to make it more visible by changing the shade of photo
where did that photo come from ? I looked through the Flores Report again an could not
find it in there?
Thought photo was from the police crime scene photos. JVM says we created contraversy.
Folks,
Here’s the deal with expunging a record. For someone to expunge a record the record must have existed. Under certain conditions, at least in my state, records can be expunged based on certain conditions that may not include a pardon. For instance for first time offenders the judge may enter a PBJ “Probation Before Judgement”. In such a case the defendant is never convicted, however is given probation prior to the judgement. Upon successful completion of the probation and any other conditions such as retribution etc the record is expunged. But remember in this case the defendant was never convicted. Now from what I can see of the TA record here is my problem:
1. He was convicted, albeit for a lesser charge than originally charged.
2. He was sentenced to a period of incarceration and probation
Again by looking at the Riverside record here’s what I think happened.
The act was committed on 3/7/2002
TA was arrested on 3/11/2002 and was originally given probation and asked to pay restitution. Included in his conditions was a search of person and property for stolen goods.
On 3/26/200 he was found to have failed to comply with the courts order.
On 3/28/2002 he was sent a letter to appear for failure to comply.
On 4/29/2002 an additional charge or charges were filed. I think this was the failure to appear charge.
On 5/3/2002 a warrant was issued for his arrest.
On 8/22/2003 he was again released with a requirement to appear in court on 9/18/2003. So he was pretty much AWOL for over a year.
He was then arraigned on 9/18/2003.
I think he once again failed to do what the court asked him to do because a week later they grabbed his bail and sent out another warrant.
Finally at some stage he pled guilty to Shoplifting and Battery (both misdemeanors). I suspect this was when the 5 day incarceration happened but again I speculate.
I did some research. In California an expungement can be applied for under certain circumstances. In those cases (as per California Penal Code 1203.4) the case is reopened and the record is changed from guilty to dismissed. This is important. If the record still shows guilty (as TA’s does) then no expungement occurred.
Once the expungement is done it has the following effects. (Once again note that the record will show a conviction followed by an eventual dismissal). TA’s record doesn’t show this.
Remove the conviction from your criminal history. California and FBI criminal history records will still show the conviction and the subsequent dismissal.
Seal the court case file from public inspection. The court file remains public record.
Reinstate your right to possess firearms. In some cases, reduction of a non-violent felony to a misdemeanor may accomplish this.
Relieve you of your duty to register as a sex offender. In some cases, this may be accomplished by a different motion to the court.
Allow you to omit the conviction from applications for government-issued licenses. You must disclose your conviction and expungement in your license application.
Allow you to omit the conviction from application for government employment. If you are applying for a government job, a job that requires security clearance, or a job that requires a government-issued license, certificate or permit, you must disclose the conviction and expungement.
Allow you to hold public office, if the conviction prevented you from doing so.
Prevent the conviction from being used to refuse or revoke a government license or permit, such as real estate license, teaching credential, security guard certificate, etc.
Prevent the conviction from being used as a “prior.” The dismissed conviction can be used for determining sentencing enhancements in subsequent convictions.
Prevent the conviction from being used by the DMV. Expunged convictions may be used to suspend or revoke driving privileges.
Prevent the conviction from being used by US Citizenship and Immigration Services. In many situations, an expunged conviction may be considered for removal or exclusion purposes.
Be that as it may guys an expungement menas the following.
1. The crime was committed and the person was found guilty.
2. The person was given a second chance by re-opening the case and dismissing the charges.
So an expungement does not mean it never happened and in fact as shown above the law sure takes it into consideration for future purposes.
That is exactly right , Al. No way to get around this one. This is just another story that TA spun to make himself look better, just like the stalker stories he made up about the girlfriends. Amazing just how dumb people can be. Really amazing. He said his identity was stolen during his PPL speeches – at least that was just said on JVM. And people actually buy this crap!!
Thank you Al, sums it up nicely!
Jane is holding the riverside court docs to promote the upcoming show. Says there is a catch …. Means to me she has bought the ” identity theft” hook line and sinker lol. PRODUCERS if you are reading this look up the definition of expunged. When you are done there I also want you to ask yourself this, if you used someone else’s identity and went to jail using said identity why in the world would you continue checking in for probation if you could just assume a new identity after the fact? Are we assuming the ” real” criminal was just being curious to the real TA. Come on people. We are to believe its a coincidence that Jodi insists he was abusive and there just so happens to be a battery charge under his name …… But it’s not him? Doesn’t mean he deserved to die but it is something the jury should know before deciding if Jodi should!!
I love how the FB monsters think we on this site ” made this up” are ” grasping at straws” and are just in ” denial” lol ….. Right…. We must be pretty good to forge a criminal report and upload it to the Riverside County website.
OmGarlic
the police report
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JVM
How the hell is taking video of the chicken dance stalking Travis??? OMG
I agree that is the stupidest comment ever like TRAVIS was loving all those photos an had her take most of them like the one where he says he looks PRESIDENTIAL he thinks sitting in the chair in his office. Please that guy loved the photos that is EVIDENT an I bet he was one to have HIS OWN photos of himself up everywhere so he could admire himself. I would just bet !
Dear gosh, they are buying the stolen identity story!
Doesn’t sound like anyone is there to rebutt things in person/ “Stalker-ish”???
OH here we go with Shanna and her lies again!!!
Ha they don’t have anything, there catch is Shanna Hogan
Member of TA’s family that used his identity. we are the lowest of the low
That’s it….I’m dead for real this time!
So thats it? You call this investigative journalism??? God bless it!
Um Jane that’s not a workout class ….. Don’t they fact check anything
So Hogan says they have “proof”??? Shouldn’t Jane say, where’s your proof??? That moron with his screaming, “slander” should look up the meaning of the word!!!
It’s on, guys!
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They said the family had proof and “after shanna investigated more, it was revealed it was travis brother” On joey jackson’s page, it says a friend did it.
Yeah, and Hogan upped the spin. She only made it a “family member” on the show tonight….oh gawd!
OMG, it’s “evil” to video a boyfriend doing something funny, the Chicken Dance??? Are you kidding me? He LOVES the camera! OH dear…
It’s on, guys….am I right?
AND YOUR DUDE WITH THE BIG MOUTH ALSO NEEDS TO REVIEW A FEW OF THE HLN SHOWS WHERE COMMENTATORS HAVE SLANDERED JODI ARIAS REPEATEDLY…AND SHE’S NOT DEAD…YET…OR FOUND GUILTY BY A JURY! JEEEESH!
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So we are meant to believe that the inventor of the Eddie Snell character felt stalked by someone filming him do the chicken dance? What about that chick who can’t be interviewed without holding her hubby’s hand and won’t let him be alone with Jodi for fear that her creepy sexual energy will ooze all over him filming Travis holding court and Jodi napping? Was she stalking them both then?
So which is it a family member or a friend?
I have no idea. But SJ wants us to talk on the new post/thread k 🙂 pass it on.
No mention of spousal battery ….. But I’m a delay
We have assassinated TA character, we are slanderous
No we didn’t. Nobody slandered anyone. LOL
The funny thing is, we are not the ones who found the report
It was another site…that is AGAINST her!
Yes, they conveniently left out that it was the pro-Travis crowd that brought this up in the first place!
At least what was posted to youtube about the criminal record was a fact in black in white! Look at the shit they say (HLN AND the Jodi haters)…..and with NO DOCUMENTS to ever back their BS up! They should put up their documents supporting their fairy tale claims, oh that’s right – THERE ARE NONE.
NOW they are saying it was a relative of Travis. Wonder which one that is. None of his siblings look like him!
JVM has sunk to new lows. No investigation into the report, or the supposed identity theft….wow
So his brother used his name… Funny how there was no ” expunged” talk.
Where is all the plea deal stuff coming from?
I’m on hold with HLN….I’ve had enough
I hope you get through, Candie!
They didn’t name this site, just called us jodi supporters. JVM says high profile cases always bring out people from left field.
Yeah we must have pissed them off. She was verbally jabbing her finger at the camera saying “those people! Those people did this!” lol
Wow, And they have ZERO evidence to support that Travis’ identity was stolen, and are passing it off as fact.
Over the weekend they said it was stolen identity by a stranger, now its a brother, I wonder which brother, the one arrested for cooking meth?
I notice Beth Karas said this is what we know. Come on Beth, do some digging, or are you afraid to?
I don’t think JVM has recovered from her alcoholism. Why does she have a show?
I think she’s on a dry drunk. Anyone who has this kind of thirst for blood and constantly points out how long they have been sober on tv is not demonstrating a quality sobriety … imo.
Ditto that
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkqSxfJQfd8
523 hits on it now last time I looked was only at 78
So, all they did was take Shanna Hogan’s word for it? I thought I heard her say that she talked to the family now and they saw it was a relative. That was NOT what she wrote the other day on The State vs. Jodi site.
No it was said his id stolen, then on Joey jackson insession, it was said it was a friend who did it, later tonight a family member. But I believe the source on the last two is his family?
Yep, and Shanna Hogan got her information from talking to the family
Just a reminder of what Shanna Hogan wrote:
Shanna Hogan, author of Picture Perfect, on the rumour that has recently surfaced about Travis’ criminal background:
“Just further info. to put to rest this thing about Travis and any criminal background.
His ID was stolen sometime between 2001-2. He knew the person who stole it but I won’t post publicly.
I wrote about this in 2011. Here’s a paragraph from my book:
On another occasion, Travis discovered he was being fined $515 for a conviction for robbery, contempt of court and assault and battery that he had not committed. When he called the department of corrections to learn the origin of these charges, he learned that a man using his identity had just served six months in jail. Travis’s identity had been stolen.
“I was really innocent,” he said. “I did not know what to do.”
Travis called his Prepaid Legal attorney and within an hour his record was expunged.”
Don’t you THINK that Travis would have KNOWN if a relative was in jail for SIX MONTHS!!!
What a CROCK OF SHIT!!
good point.
Truman Capote just rolled over in his grave.
YES I think now who is LYING ?? the same ones ranting off with her head an other horrible things on those sites.
Exactly. Looks like all these siblings are used to lying to each other and everyone else. Sorry. Not trying to slander a dead man, my heart actually breaks for his friends and family. That being said, when you die, your secrets don’t die with you and clearly Travis was just as competent of a liar as Jodi was. That is if we are being honest. He lied to just about everyone in his life. If anything it appears he was most honest with Jodi.
I can’t imagine how hard it is for his loved ones to not only loose him but to additionally learn that they didn’t know him like they thought has to be devastating
The man in the middle of the lawyer panel , John Leiberman annoys me. His facial expressions go from looking like he’s going to topple over to rolling his eyes and being rude while others are talking.
Starting new thread
Sorry Im being unclear. I mean over here! https://jodiariasisinnocent.com/jose-baez-discusses-the-jodi-arias-trial-jodi-arias-is-innocent-team-jodi/
Did we call it, or did we call it? LOOLLLLLLLOOOLLLL! I love the guy who shouts, “This is outrageous!” You know what IS outrageous? The fact that HLN claims THIS is doing their homework! This was merely MORE conformation for me! Did they think this was going to deter us? Did they think this was going to make us feel bad, like a child getting a hand slap. Did they want us to feel like “the world is against us?”
HA! I’m more motivated than ever before!
I am too KMiller. If Jodi’s life weren’t on the line, this would all be laughable.
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Hogan is careful how she words things, because somehow I think she knows she’s being lied to…but she won’t check it out, because that would endanger her book sales! Why do I keep thinking of the word, “whoredom”?
For Hogan to retain any credibility as a crime writer now or in the future, she needs to “writer up” and dispel a spin from facts.
Reminds me of Obama’s birth certificate, haha!
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Well, Jane’s waving the court documents around, saying that there’s a “catch” which means they’re going to try to polish the turd. We’ll see.
She needs the 21 pg report. The one that is specific on Battery of a Spouse
Anyone else not buying the idea that Travis’ family stole his identity? LOL Nope, I’m not. Not until there’s some independently verifiable proof. By HLN logic, anyone convicted of a crime can then claim to be the victim of identity theft and pretend the public record is wrong.
Jon Leiberman is a major hypocrite. He says Jodi supporters are assassinating Travis’ character, has he looked at the shit he’s talked about Jodi the past few months? Right, he must have been looking in the mirror then.
No, not buying it unless they provide a mugshot and fingerprint info.
More spinning from the Liar Gang.
IMO if they really had proof, they would have brought it on the show. These folks have a real problem with “Just because so and so says so, therefore it is.”
When we started talking about Travis’ record, we at least had the courtesy to back up our claims with the public record. They won’t back up their claims with ANYTHING.
Hey could anybody out there give me any insite to does the jury watch TV at night or speak to anyone when they are not on court?That would be awefully unfair to Jodi,as there is alot of Jodi haters out there,cant believe the amount of people who want blood.What about the lawyers,how do they handle the ever intensive media scrum,there are great theories out there that could help,but alot of bad ones to that could damage the defense.I personally think that Jodi is be railroaded by the religious sect,the room mate thing doesnt add up,come on,no one doesnt check on or contact somebody at least once a day.Jodi could not have inflicted that much damage,he was a healthy man very capable of defending himself against a slight woman,unless there was more to it,maybe the first story about the intruders wasnt so far fetched and Jodi is scared out of her whits to say anything.Is she protecting her family or someone else?She says she cant remember things,the mind blocks out traumatic events and lets other memories stay instilled.I feel like a part of me is with Jodi,cant explain it,I hope for the best and everything works out for her.
Thx SJ for not giving in to pressure to believe Jodi killed Travis. It’s not a good idea for me to keep poking sticks at a mad dog, so i do need to avoid insulting the PPL and LegalSheild as well as the LDS that i believe is responsible for the clean-up of the mess left behind. Usually, they do a more thorough job…but in this case, Jodi saved her own life, by making her situation public, thru the media interviews. Otherwise she would have been mysteriously ‘dead’ while awaiting trial. *not necessary to post this, just know i’ve read everything here and am SO glad ppl are seeing the inconsistancies and set-up. JAK
If the knife was ran through the dishwasher wouldn’t it still have residue on it? Don’t crime scene investigators use luminol to see if there was any clean up or to find murder weapons?
Alright, let me put this out there and see what happens. I told the truth on the State vs Jodi page on FB and I got Deleted and Ostracized, when my friends saw what I had to say, people I have known for better than 20yrs turned their back on me, but this is how it is.
I knew Travis. he was a room mate in 2000-2001, if I can attest to this then I wonder why no-one else will. He did download kiddie porn on the computer in Jan 2001, I caught him and we had an argument about it at 2:30 am I remember that like it was yesterday why? cause there is a lot more to the story that I don’t want to elaborate on right now.
He was in possession of a small caliber pistol in Aug 2001. I remember because it was right before I moved from Riverside and it was a few weeks before the 9/11 attacks it was a Beretta and it was a POS to shoot. I don’t remember the caliber. but it was a total POS I told him to get nothing less than a 9mm preferably a 40 cal and he showed up to the range with that toy.
I have also put together piece by piece what happened between Jodi and Travis. I am highly pissed off that there are so many in the Travis camp that are suppressing the information except among themselves as a parlor joke counting down the days till they can bang the frying pans on Jodi.
Travis was a scam artist and at the end I really think Jodi had enough of his double standard bullshit. If ANYONE had the right to go toe to toe with him SHE DID.
For me, after hearing my pompous ass friend on that sex tape carrying on like he was, knowing full well what was expected of him, and as sad and ruthless as it is to say, he got the send off that he was promised.
What I mean by that, is that he made an absolute mockery of everything we believe in. He made a mockery of our religion and he was warned by god himself, that there was a price to pay for mockery of such kind. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKG5kMnZZcM “that clip will give you some insight.”
I don’t know… Take it for what you want. maybe I just needed to vent but Damn WTF is wrong with these people who think they have the right to demand Jodi’s death when they know sweet F**K ALL about the dynamics of the situation as a whole. They are all a bunch of sheeple.
I would testify for Jodi if I could but no-one wants to hear what I have to say.
Cheers
the of the court is now heading towards the emails done by chris and sky hughes i would like to see emails from chris, sky, and deanna on 6/4/2008- 6/10/2008 6/10 is the day chris and sky went to cancun bet that will be an interesting read. happy easter to all have a nice weekend keep praying that they find the evidence that is need to save jodi from the DP