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Jodi Arias Trial – Day 48

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  2. I would like to remind everyone that there is a big difference between what is probable and what is provable. The defense does not have to make sense of the events on June 4th. The prosecutor does.

    “We are not sure what actually happened, but we think XYZ makes the most sense” = NOT GUILTY.

    • Agreed!

      I have been trying to explain to people they have NOT proven she went there wanting or planning to kill him. And we all know what happens next…

  3. oops..missed the “book” i wrote to go with the above post…here it is. PS, good morning all!

    How can the jury find the defendant guilty? They don’t get to use “the force”, “the feeling in their gut”, “magic beads”, or flip a coin….

    Here are the steps:
    1) The criminal act: The first thing the legal system must prove in a court of law is that a crime was committed. Part of this legal requirement is proving that the defendant committed the act in question. Simply proving the defendant did “A” crime doesn’t prove they did “the” crime they were charged with. These charges cannot be vague. They each have very specific criteria to meet.
    Example: A cop cannot give you a ticket for speeding, unless he can charge you with going a specific MPH, even if he KNOWS you were obviously going way over the speed limit. He has to pick a MPH and charge you with that speed.

    2) Intent: The Prosecutor must prove that the defendant intended to do the crime. However, there are levels to intent. The intent can be straight forward or incidental. These are “accidental, negligent, knowingly or purposely”. In this case, the prosecution has chosen the hardest of these 4 to prove which is “purposely” or “pre-meditated”. If you are able to prove that a specific crime occurred, then you must prove that the defendant intended to do that crime.
    Example: If a person plans to rob a bank, then robs the bank. He could be charged and found guilty of “premeditated robbery”. (Not that there is such a charge..lol) If a man plans to rob a bank, then robs the bank, then accidently smashes the getaway car into tree, he cannot be charged with premeditated tree Murder. He would be charged with Felony tree killing, as he was planning on robbing the bank, he hurt the tree on accident while committing a felony. This tree killing would fall under the “knowingly” or “negligent” types of intent, because it is reasonable to “know” a tree could be injured while speeding away from a bank robbery.

    3) Beyond reasonable doubt: others. The “beyond a reasonable doubt” standard basically means that the legal system must prove, without question, that every act of the charge was committed by the defendant. The proof provided by the prosecution would make you decide guilty in your own life. If the jury finds it “highly unlikely” that the defendant DIDN’T do it, they have not reached the point of “beyond a reasonable doubt”. There can be ZERO doubt. They cannot simply ask themselves “which is most likely, the defendants story or the states story?”.

    4) The defense: The legal system provides the defendant with several protections. These protections include the right to remain silent during questioning, the right to an attorney, the right to question witnesses and the right to trial by a jury of her peers. A defendant who does not have the funds to pay for an attorney will have a defense attorney assigned to him by the court. Some defenses allow the defendant to admit to a criminal act, but claim that he had reason to do so. For example, the defendant committed the crime in self-defense, the defendant was under duress or pressure to commit the crime or the defendant was trapped into committing a criminal act; the last defense is commonly referred to as “entrapment.”

    The judge has the right to add criminal counts to the case, after hearing all of the evidence and testimony. Even though the jury decides if the burden of proof has been reached, the judge can add “lesser” (but not greater) charges to the defendant. This allows a jury to feel no pressure to convict someone that has not been found guilty of a crime, yet they feel that the defendant did commit a crime. This is very rare, except in the highest of felony cases, which it is much more common.

    So, what do you think? Me…
    1)? The act: I don’t believe the state has even proven that a pre-meditated murder happened, let alone that the defendant was the one that did it. This was the reason that the defense ADMITTED to killing him, they knew that the state cannot prove it was premeditated or during the commission of a separate felony. The second “act” Felony…cough cough..murder? What felony? Besides the possible death itself, what crime was committed?
    2)? Intent: This is the one I have the hardest time with, and I believe this is the one that the state will never get the jury to believe. Their story is what? That Jodi intended to go to Travis’s home, even though Travis invited her? Then she had sex with him, and let him take pictures of her there? Then she stabbed him first, even though she had a gun? Then she continued to stab him, as part of her master plan? Then she slit his throat, as part of her plan? Then she moved the bloody body all over the bathroom/hallway, as part of her plan? Then she spread around her DNA, Hair, finger prints and for good measure she planned on leaving her bloody PALM print in plain site…all as part of her plan. She then had a plan to clean up the scene, which included using a plastic cup and water from the same shower that the dead body was now in? She then planned on getting away with it by locking the door, where no one would ever smell the body and find the victim? Do they really see this as a planned event…how? The jury will NEVER buy that. Gas cans and stolen guns do not make up for the lack of organization to prove “premeditated”.
    3)? Beyond reasonable doubt: There is no reason to doubt Jodi lied. There is no reason to doubt she attempted to cover up a killing. There is no reason to doubt that she made several very poor choices in her life. But, there is plenty of doubt for the actual charges in this case. Just because you can prove someone hit a dog with their car on Tuesday doesn’t mean they killed a horse on Thursday. Having doubt of some ones credibility does not give you the right to ignore the law, that you must be beyond a reasonable doubt as to the guilt of the SPECIFIC charge.

    4)?Jodi has been allowed a fair defense in the court room. IMO. I believe that the prosecutor is a piece of shit, and that he is not the type of person we want defending the states laws. He is overzealous, manipulating the system, abrasive and rude. The people that break the law are allowed to lack standards, but not the officers of the court. Even with this, she has been afforded a proper defense. The prosecution on the other hand has not been forthcoming. This is not, in itself, a reason to throw out a case.
    I do not think she has been allowed a fair defense in the court of public opinion. I feel it is the courts responsibility to ensure that the media does not insight a witch hunt, if they are going to allow the media into the court room. They can’t stop the media from saying what they say, but they can, in turn, stop them from having access with video cameras. The media SHOULD be allowed to show the trial, but they should have to do it with standards set beforehand. Much like the CSPAN type coverage of congressional hearings. This type of drama/entertainment TV would not be allowed to happen if that was a US senator on the stand. Jodi deserves the same respect, if not MORE respect, if for no other reason than she is a US citizen and I and many other men and woman earned her that right.

    I would like to remind everyone that there is a big difference between what is probable and what is provable. The defense does not have to make sense of the events on June 4th. The prosecutor does.

    “We are not sure what actually happened, but we think XYZ makes the most sense” = NOT GUILTY.

    A country cannot be judged based on how they treat their free men, but how they treat there imprisoned men.

  5. Brilliant sirlips! Thank you. I hope the Defense explains Reasonable Doubt as it pertains to this case explicitly to the jury in their closing arguments.

  15. I think I have seen that God awful ugly seal more than I have seen my kids since January…

  16. WildAboutTrial @WildAboutTrial

    Judge Stephens just called counsel back into chambers. #JodiArias

  20. I have not seen Alyce yet but she usually chills in the back room before making an entrance anyhow. #JodiArias
    Wild About Trial

    • Well…at least it’s donuts and not …pie…unless “donuts” has a hidden meaning YIKES! It COULD!

  22. Ready to do…..and shocker…chambers right off the bat. Hope it is a brief one. Oh….good afternoon everyone!!

  24. Nurmi and Flores are up visiting the stapler lady while we wait for the Judge and #JodiArias
    Wild About Trial

  26. I don’t know why but I have a good feeling that today is going to be a great day for the defense! Anyone else share that optimistic feeling?????

  27. ? Do we know for a fact that TA was estranged from his siblings? If so, where can I read about that? And why, other than the obvious, were they estranged?

    • I remember reading here a while back that indeed they were estranged,they hadnt even visited his Mesa house,dont remember a link specifically though nor a reason mentioned for them being estranged.

      • Yah his sisters are for sure estranged. <—-LOL, see what i did there..estranged..har har.

  28. Travis’ family is seated and ready to go. Still waiting. #JodiArias

    Counsel is headed back to chambers. Stay tuned. #JodiArias

  29. I notice a lot of new viewers in the comments under the live video!

    Please be polite and helpful to these people, they deserve to hear the truth.

  34. Good Morning Peeps! I just wanna go ahead and set the tone with a big fat F U to Dirty Sanchez first thing! Go Team Jodi!!! I gotta good feeling about today!

  36. OoH! Looks like a photo of Juan posing outside courthouse and then Nurmi pointed toit and gestured toward the JURY!

    • Comments on beth karas fbook page.. are saying how beautiful and smart DeMarte is.. omg.. so that means she so much smarter then someone like AL who has had 30 + years of experience??

    • Not at all, I think Alyce’s testimony, along with her experience, has it all over this young woman. Experience teaches SO much more than schooling alone and testing defendant, 12 hours of assessment time… Not enough…Don’t be nervous.

  51. Here come Dr DeMarte. Should be interesting. I am so curious about the tests she gave to Jodi as well as if she interviewed anyone else (other than Jodi)

    • She is saying you must take her journal at face value.. no meaning behind the written word. I am thinking this is where JM is going to go with this.. She also doesnt rely on records etc.. she said.. This should all get very interesting… and the man still paces.. drives me nuts..

  55. Not a pyschiatrist? How can Juan believe her?

    Not to mention her very small amount of experience.

  56. LOL! She is NOT gonna be more credible than EITHER of the Defense experts!! LOL This is gonna be HILARIOUS!!

    I can tell you this right off the bat! Mark my words!

  57. Is any body else surprised that the defense rested without calling either an ME or a crime scene specialist?

    • Me! Do they get rebuttal case? Maybe they want to save that for the end. Bigger impact?

    • crime scene specialist would have been great, but the issue is that the judge wasnt going to let anyone testify to the “pre-mediated” vs “in the moment” look of the crime scene. She had already made it clear that the jury was to decide pre-med, not have an expert tell them. That is why the DR couldnt say …what was it…intrucive vs pasive scene..or what ever it was. basically saying if it looked pre med or not.

      I’m not sure what else the CSI could have testified to, that could help the case. AND, the CSI could have hurt them, if the testimony got twisted by pros limp dick.

    • A crime scene specialist could have at least examined the blood spatters and given valid support for Travis being shot first. A different pathologist could have confirmed that Travis could have still been conscious after being shot.

      • I think that point is critical. If the jury goes back and says the ME says stab first & believes it is scientific fact, there could be a big problem here. I think the defense really needs to hit the ambiguity on this ME’s interpretation.

      • Nothing wrong with being young – you can’t help when you were born! However, she has not had the time to emass the same amount of experience as AL and Samuels. Regardless of who does the cross will do an excellent job.

        • I didnt mean it in a bad way,Frannie.I am actually 2 years younger than her,lol! Just tried to point out her inexperinece thru her age.Sorry if it sounded offensive.

      • I believe she’s 32 or 33.

        Is she making her resume sound good? There’s not much on it.

        • Yes. Making her resume sound pretty good. She is also saying that she did not evaluate Jodi alone (if I did not misunderstand her)

          Crap, she just said she is familiar with LaViolette. She is criticizing the masters degree. And saying, I’d be ALV’s supervisor

          • Uh, no she wouldn’t because she wouldn’t hired as she is too inexperienced for the job.

        • Also Abused, Well…from her education stand point I would hardly put UMass up there on the list of…how should I say this diplomatically…well I can’t seem to find a way to say it, I wouldn’t send my kids there if I was SERIOUS about them getting a quality education.

          • In fairness, CUNY is no Harvard either, but when you back that up with decades of experience…

            • Yes joujou,
              Experience is the KEY word here. Did he ask her if she has ever testified in court before.

    • Yes. She is very young, very attractive. Very sweet demeanor. Martinez is being very nice too.

  62. Isn’t this the whiteness who had her laptops stolen with all her info regarding this case? What is she going from Samuels info he provided?

  63. Wow, she seems to not have nearly enough experience by Juan’s standards. ???

    • didn’t want to get licensed right away…. that’s almost unheard of…. not to take the board right away. She wanted more experience.

      • Yes. That was a suspicious statement I hope the cross-exam explores. Who would voluntarily decide not to become licensed after years of education with that as a goal? Doesn’t make sense. I hope the jury is smart enough to remember La Violette (sp?) saying that the journal entry was just “one component” of a lot that she took into consideration. JM tried to make it look like reading one entry was all that La Violette had done.

  65. Love KN tie!!!!
    I wish this chick would stop “swinging” back and forth in the chair.

    I’m thinking JM…would like to screw her….just saying

    • Yes the chair swing is distracting and she’s only been in it for barely 5 minutes. By day 10 she’ll be doing complete circles

    • well, i havent even seen her and i want to…whats your point. lol

      (ducking and waiting for the shoes to fly towards my head)

      • haha,,, no shoes! 🙂 It’s annoying and my take is she’s nervous. If JM would be attacking her in typical JM style and she were on the DT side, she’d be spinning in circles …

        You haven’t seen her yet and you want to what? Screw her, throw a shoe at her or just see her do the chair spin thing…? ;-))

        • Is it ok to do all three…not at the same time obviously, you could mess up your shoe?

    • I was thinking the exact same thing, she sounds nervous enough and he is actually being relatively polite. His voice hasn’t kicked into high gear/warp speed yet. I hope the defence tears her to shreds in a nice way 🙂

  69. Well, I guess prosecution couldn’t get anyone with more experience..wonder WHY that is..? hmmm… leaves one wondering.

    • well after seeing how he treated one of his own witnesses(the camera/audio guy) when he was on the stand for the defense in this trial, i can see why no one would want to work with this little fuck stain.

  70. 30 students for a study is not large… anything over a 100 is large and used for research

  74. two year olds going to therapy, FK two year old don’t even speak at two ………..

  75. Despicable! Yes, I’d be ALV’s supervisor because I have a PhD and she just has a masters. As if she’d know more than ALV (a pioneer in her field).

    Martinez has sunk to a new low.

      • Matinez made her say. She said she supervises masters students. Then Martinez asked her if she knew of ALV, and she said yes. Then Martinez asked her if ALV would be someone she’d supervise, and she said yes, because ALV had a masters degree only.

        Martinez is really one to twist stuff around.

        • When he asked her if she knowa ALV she didnt say yes she said ”YES!!” ,noticed her inflection??WTF?

        • Maybe she would be qualified to supervise ALV….if they both worked at the Clinique counter!

    • Having a PhD means you know a lot from books,doesnt mean she can be compared to ALV’s hands-on experinece!!!

    • I know that wasn’t really her fault. It was Martinez’s fault for making it seem like DeMarte is more knowledgeable than ALV just because she’d be her supervisor.

      I just find that line of questioning disgraceful.

  76. Ok there are two kinds of therapists
    1) 80% book education and 20% heart knowledge
    2) 80% heart knowledge and 20% book education.

    I think we know who falls where lol

  77. This little girl is who we are supposed to trust when it comes to Jodi’s mental state? I’m sure she’s a lovely person and I refuse to trash her as A.L. was, but based on her limited experience I already don’t believe a word she says!

    • I have no need to trash her either. She’s a young doctor who has lots of education but little real life experience.

      I cannot see myself feeling safe or confident with her in a therapy setting if I were to seek help.

      She seems way to clinical for my tastes in relation to a mental health professional.

      I don’t mind my cardiologist being clinical but thats a whole different area. Whether I lie to my cardiologist or not, my blood test will tell him the truth. Whole different ballgame in mental health.

      Alyce, with her style and experience and ability to come across as she really cares about helping and understands intimate partner relationships and how non linear they are beats the baby psych doc hands down.

      It would be interesting to hear baby doc after she’s been at this for 30 plus years and has some real life experience. Wonder if she’d have the same view.

      • She just doesn’t cut the grade, but the very fact she is there is damning for the prosecutor, not for the defense.

        The state couldn’t anybody with extensive experience to testify on their behalf. That needs to be brought home to the jury.

  78. Luck for this Lady that We won’t ruin her career before it even gets started like the Taliban would.

  80. That was crappy to drop ALs name. I think he has a personal grudge against her. AND, he must really fear ALs testmony to try and keep dragging her down. It will be interesting to hear if he brings up Samuels, condisdering he is a PhD also.

    • He has a personal grudge with anything that relates to JA or a snippet of evidence that may help JA.

  81. YOU don’t need a Ph.D to administer assessments or test. States only require you have a master’s and be license

    • School psychologists routinely administer tests, and they aren’t required to have Ph.D.s.

    • That’s what I thought. You need a clinical masters degree or something.

      I know SLPs (speech-language pathologists) are licensed to administer standardized tests as long as they hold a masters degree and a license.

      • Correct.

        Special education teachers can even administer I.Q. tests, and they will work with the school psychologist to arrive at a diagnosis, since the teacher cannot do it.

      • She did interview in 2009 (is what I read), but I think she just said she did not interview Jodi alone, I think she had a supervisor.

        • No. She said she took along an inexperienced evaluator to show how it is supposed to be done.

  85. The state’s witness is pretty. (Yes, I’m capable of complimenting a witness for the state, unlike the pro-pros people who bashed all of the defense witnesses, even their looks).

  86. Pfft…Implying SHE has one up on Alyce LOL…I bet Alyce could TEACH!…she “supervised” ALV? To what extent?

    • She didn’t say she had supervised AV. She said if she worked with AV, since AV has master’s and this gal has doctorate, the doctorate would supervise the master’s person, so whats her name would supervise AV. It was hypothetical–not that she had supervised her.

      • Rebecca, she did say she (JD) “supervised her”. I’m fairly certain. My point was, to what extent? You answered my question. Thanks.

  90. She had a handful of patients….children… I really can’t wait to hear what she has to say. Is the the lady whose home was burglarized and had her jodi file computer stolen?

    • She is totally unqualified for this.

      It should tell you how reluctant truly experienced and reputable psychologists/psychiatrists were in helping the state.

      • tonysam, My speculation exactly… I believe learned/ experienced experts wouldn’t want to testify against Jodi. I wonder if other experts turned down the prosecution in this case….hmm

  91. WildAboutTrial ‏@WildAboutTrial 3m Dr. Janeen is familiar with Alyce, says Alyce has her masters degree in marriage and family counseling. She supervised Alyce.

    WildAboutTrial ‏@WildAboutTrial 4m Dr. Janeen is very well spoken and easy to understand. She addresses the jury as she continues to go over her background.

    Is this true?

    • I’m biased and I find her very clinical and unexperienced but trying to come across as experienced because she has an impressive education.

      It’s hard to judge as JM is being nice compared to his attacks at Samuels and Alyce.

      I’d love to see her under the same attack.

    • I can’t watch LIVE, but I read up above that the baby said she COULD supervise her because of the degree difference

      I hope someone who can watch today will supply the accurate answer.

      I told y’all the haters have no comprehension!

      • Yeah,Martinez used the 2d Conditional and she had to answer that she WOULD supervise ALV.

  93. If I was seeking care Alyce’s warm style and experience would make me feel much more safe.

    Her attitude, very clinical, comes across as *know it all* with out years to back it up. I’d have a hard time letting my guard down with her.

  94. this baby doesn’t even know how to comb her hair….please stop calling me “Janeen” – let’s go with “J” from now on – PLEASEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

  95. She has a good amount of education and degrees. She has decent career experience as well, (director of the behavioral health center) etc….so her credentials are not in question. Her age and lack of years on the job so to speak will be up to the defense to attack if they choose. I’m not sure if they will, we shall see. She seems nervous on the stand imo.

    On another subject, I wonder if we will find out what happened with ALV in chambers? Maybe it was sealed so we may never know….anyone?

  97. Question of the hour:

    Will Juan be able to restrain himself from attacking his own witness?

  98. Where the fuck is she getting these records if they are a NEW CLIENT.???? God I could tear her to shreds if I was JW.

  102. LOL! # year degree lady, “Why don’t you tell Dr. Samuels how to do his job” After all YOU would know more than HE does after 35 years! LOL! This is comical. JW is going to easily make this girl a nonfactor.

  105. Wonder how many days is this chick gonna be on the stand!

    Kermit is such a slime ball!!!!

  106. I can tell today is going to be very frustrating already. This expert is hardly older than me. Her lack of experience can only hurt the state.

  108. “One piece of objective data” …she said it herself! Out of the mouth of babes…just saying…

  109. Dr. Janeen is able to explain yes and no answers and JM is calm?? Am I watching the right trial?

      • Not necessarily. This is the first of his own witnesses he’s treated gingerly. That tells me two things: 1. That he is actually capable of shifting gears, and 2. He knows that she is too inexperienced to give her even the 2nd degree. My prediction: She will not fare well under cross.

  110. “Sentience psychology” imo does not sound too far off from “law of attraction.”

  112. Martinez is very arrogant about degrees.

    Oh, ALV didn’t have a PhD, that means she isn’t as qualified. He harps on that all the time

  113. I think the older members of the jury will not fall for the line of doggy doo doo the baby is trying to force feed them..

    They will KNOW that a baby with a “bigger” degree doesn’t mean a whole lot against someone who has the number of years of experience as Dr. S and ALV.

    At least I am SURE some of them will.

    • That is exactly what I was thinking!

      She’s just there to further shit on Alyce. She sounds so condescending. JM does love those PHDs. :eyeroll:

  118. I’m going to be immature, but her flared nostrils and demeanor are making me uncomfortable.

  121. This line of questioning is absurd! And this so-called expert is mocking the amount of time the other experts spent? WTF! And if they spent only 3-4 hours (like this person said) then JM would have been all over that!

  122. OMG,again Im saying this sounds so much as REHEARSED SPEECH on both their part!!!

  123. Maybe I’m biased, but this witness sucks. Poor Juan…her few years of experience can’t hold up to either Dr. S. and Alyce.

  125. Any one screaming at their TV Right now????? Alyce is very compassionate about DV totally different then being a clinical psychologist.

    • You bet it’s different—somebody who has vast experience versus somebody who is barely out of diapers and who mainly works with children.

    • Remain clam. We need to wait until JW has a chance to ask questions. Then wait for jury questions. We will know more after that.

      This is just the beginning

  126. Now I want to slap her, her “like oh my god, like 44 hours?” And laughing…

  127. She sounds like she’s acting. The way she became alarmed at the 44 hours sounded like she and JM had rehearsed it.

    • I have seen kids doing mock trial who make more believable witnesses than this hack. No hyperbole.

  128. Yes – people who are NOT compassionate go into this kind of work! IF that were true we would ALL be in trouble!

  130. “I don’t know of people who apologize. It feels bad to me.”
    “You should not feel compassion.”
    JM has found his match.

  131. “I don’t feel the need to apologize for anything.”

    I would feel awful for reading someone else’s most private thoughts! I think it was a great thing to do. Alyce is an ABUSE specialist. Reading those journals is a violation on a personal level.

    • Plus, you don’t get diddly squat out of an abused person unless you find a way to relate to them.

    • I’m sure it’s according to a scale. Unless there is an *experience* component, I’m sure it’s in the $300/hr range like Samuels and LaViolette

  133. I am trying very hard to be objective over here but her Valley Girl manner of speaking is turning me off. I am trying to be fair and listen to what she is saying but I find myself being annoyed. Am I becoming one of “them” and judging before I listen?

    Ok so if 40 hours is too long to interview someone and YOU were the supervisor of the person who was doing that interview then obviously YOU weren’t doing YOUR job were you? And how is it that two people from the same office were sent to interview the same person? Isn’t that a conflict of interest? Am I missing something?

    • kermit was asking her hypothetically based on their respective degrees….she did not really supervise her.

    • As far as I heard, she said she would supervise Alyce because she has a master’s, not that she actually was her supervisor.

      • Oh, we know that…but realistically, somebody qualified would be supervised ALV, which includes having extensive experience.

      • I must has mis heard that part…maybe I can find it again. I could have sworn I heard her say that she DID supervise Alyce at some point. Even if she did, it doesnt mean anything. All psychotherapists have a supervisor at some point.

        • It was a hypothetical question! The two did not work together and this gal did NOT supervise ALV–it was JM’s way to emphasize this witness has a Ph.D and ALV only a master’s.

    • No…you aren’t missing nothing…same office…

      Just like yesterday when JM was giving Bryan Neumeister, another expert witness that grilling interview…JM asked BN if he had ever done this type of video before…and Mr Neumesiter said that he was working on some other video’s for you, Mr. Martinez…the state…

    • caught myself doing the exact same here, trying to stop myself being biased. Dr DeMarte is making it tough on me though. Maybe I have too much experience with psychologists 🙁

  134. I am dying to see this witch. I wonder if I can risk bringing my iphone to the bathroom for a peek. LOL

  135. She keeps drinking water,her mouth’s so dry know why?Coz she knows she’s LYING!!!

    • Nah, MariaIt’s almost certainly because she has little or no experience testifying and she’s nervous.

  136. Witness looked flustered as JM seemed to be yelling at her! I hope he ‘accidentally’ blows his top – again.

  137. this testimony is making me fucking IRATE.

    THIS BABY SENTIENCE COUNSELOR IS SO REHEARSED.

    • Like we discussed EARLIER>>> how many FK times is she going to state that today?

      DISCREDITED>>>>>>>>>>>>> One year on the job ….. and she’s thinks she’s an expert … NOT>>>> Damn, I don’t drink,but I just might have to take a xanx today .. before I break my screen.

    • …..like I said before Renee…….she a BITC!! She thinks she is “better” then ALV and Dr S. Sittin’ up there like she has a stick up her azz……..just saying!!!

  138. Is this bitch serious? How do you compare the career of Alice along with all her experience(s), years and hands on knowledge with someone who only finished her education 5 yrs ago? JM is reaching as usual.

  139. So this lady expert thinks that 40 hours is extreme to evaluate someone….that you need to only have to evaluate someone for 1 hour…or 3 or 4 hours…

    I am glad this chyte had not evaluated me and gave an opinion or diagnosis for me in 1,2, or 3 hours….sounds like she is not the expert that she is spouting that she is…maybe she needs to stay in her classroom just teaching people…

    • Oh, I do! They’ve got plenty to destroy her credibility with without once raising a voice, eyebrow, pen, cup, anything. I think that it will be a masterful thing to watch, and I can’t wait.

  143. We all knew JM and his expert would say they are the only one who knows the exact amount of time a experts should spend evaluating a person

  144. Of course that is what JM will (and is trying now) to so. He wants to totally discredit both expert witnesses that the defense had. By constantly bringing up that ALV didnt have a doctorate, and his witness does. I am sure the jury caught that early on, and it will not matter to them. He will also try to show a difference in the way his witness tests vs Dr Samuels. Remember, it isn;t really a big deal, his main goal and his job really, is to try to discredit all the defense witnesses. The jury knows this and they will believe who they want to believe based on what they have heard so far.

    • Yeah, but her complete lack of any real experience other than working with children rather undercuts the whole thing.

      If I were on that jury I would ask: Couldn’t Martinez find SOMEBODY in the United States who was seasoned and experienced to testify for the state? Apparently NOBODY wanted to do it.

      So he is left with an infant to testify for the state.

      • Tonysam,
        I listened to the beginning when he was asking her about school and early career..and she mentioned children at some point. But that was early on, she doesn’t work with children anymore, in fact she works with people from teens thru elderly.

        • Anna, did her experience with teens through elderly occur before or after she assessed Jodi? My understanding is that she only had experience with children before she got her license and she was licensed not long before assessing Jodi.

          ??

        • You give her more credit, Anna, than she deserves.

          I think you need to really look hard at this.

          NO reputable person would testify on behalf of the state. That alone is damning.

          The fact he has to have a kid who is barely qualified to practice is utterly damning to his case.

          • tonysam,
            I am not giving her anymore credit than she deserves at all. Im not sure why you feel that way? BeeCee, from what I understood, she only worked with children after graduation, then went on to Michigan and then to her practice in AZ. As far as testifying for the state tonysam, really!? Shhhsh……the money and the notoriety from this case? For a young psychologist? Makes sense to me.

      • Well, here is my opinion. I cannot and will not make a judgement on this woman’s character, looks, etc. I cannot call her anything mean as paid whore, bitch etc……and here is why. Alyce did nothing more than take the stand as a defense expert witness and she has endured more hate and cruel words heaped on her than anyone could have possibly imagine. It was wrong and it was unfair. This is a trial, and both sides will have paid experts to testify on their behalf. Calling Alyce a dyke, man hater, etc, was so beyond the pale that it sent her to the er with panic attacks. Calling this woman names may or may not so the same, but isnt it the same thing? They are doing their job, they paid to get on the stand and explain what they do, what tests they gave, and what their diagnosis are.

        That being said, we all have our opinions about what witnesses testify to and how they say it, etc. Remember, the things this witness is saying are in direct response to JM. Of course she will not defend ALV or Dr Samuels, that is the whole point. The defense will be crossing her and get the chance to blow holes in her testimony. I guess I just don’t see the reason for personal attacks on any witnesses for either side. Now, JM, fair game…LOL.:)

  145. Seems she is only there to bash Dr S and ALV.
    When she starts to ‘elocute’ is when it’s a rehearsed sentence.

  146. Can you say rehearsed? haha My first question would be how much are you making an hour???

  148. I hope JW tears this woman to shreds. She is a paid whore for Martinez. No state background in domestic violence, no sense of empathy for people that I can see, nowhere near the experience of AL and clearly everything he is asking her is taken out of context. She is also full of herself. I am a psych student from Michigan state also. Lol! Many years ago. Anyway, treating and understanding domestic violence has nothing to do with this woman. She has no business on the stand.

    • It’s really two different issues. That’s why the defense had two different expert witnesses.

      The state should have done the same and hired people with extensive experience.

      It goes to show that nobody reputable wanted to do it.

      • This is a joke all the way around and again a nasty vicious thing for Kermit to do to undermine the credibility of people with years of experience. I would tear this little pup to shreds if she was under me.

      • You are right, tonysam. Like I said on Twitter, DeMarte is the freshman you put in at the end of the game when you know you will lose anyway and you want her to get some experience. The sad thing for her is that with the way Martinez is playing this, it gives her no room to grow in her practice and be able to testify in the future. She will never be able to apologize to someone before she evaluates him, or get reading material or any subject or inmate, or ever transcribe a personality inventory, or ever rescore a test. I kind of feel bad for her. At the beginning of my career, I was a little like her (different profession, and hopefully not condescending), and I thought that because I was smart and well educated, I should be able to do anything- right out of the chute. I chafed if my boss wanted to read deposition questions in advance, or go observe me argue something in court, or give take a hard witness in a trial. It didn’t take me long to appreciate the help, and more importantly, the GUIDANCE.

  149. Lack of compassion how about EMPATHY…WHERE’S THAT DICTIONARY? hmmm WTF? In the area of Psychology? OOh now a psychologist w/o compassion…Ahh now She’s someone I want to evaluate ME! Yippy…NOT

      • Nancy…I was just thinking the same thing!!! “She thinks her chyt don’t stink”…got that sayin’ from my mama!!!!!

  150. SHe is so wrong, you never diagnose someone on the first visit…. It takes several…..

  152. I can only imagine how this evaluation went, I bet jodi disliked this yucky Dr.

  153. If she was so concerned about how the book may change a client’s knowlege she should have been aware that Jodi read it and taken it into account. This lady is full of shit.

  154. First of all, this little girl has no clue on how to treat a patient. She a book smart psychologist, and I’ve dealt with plenty of them. They spout their knowledge from the book, then when they come out of their office and open their mouth to a patient, they call us in to pull the patient off of them! And yes, I mean the patient’s end up assaulting them many times because of the arrogant attitude.
    She’s got a real superiority complex, its evident how she’s answering these questions. There is NO time limit on evaluating someone, that bullshit! You could evaualte a patient for DAYS if that’s how long it took. If you know how to keep your boundaries clear, it DOES NOT MATTER …..what a crock of shit!!! If I was the defense, I’d jump all over that, and further more, how many domestic abuse or PTSD patients has she actually treated….I bet the number is VERY low

      • you betcha! nothing I hate worse then someone who acts like a know it all…she’s trying to put every patient in one category, which is TOTALLY not true. Just shows you she has NO experience, very dumb for the DA to hire her to testify. JW will tear her apart!!

    • She sounds like a infomercial! I don’t know if she is book smart sounds so over memorized and rehearsed.

      • very true MB…the books smarts is the foundation. She hasn’t got the years on her to testify in a court of law to the extent that she is. I’m sure she’s very bright, but her attitude will get her in trouble with schizophrenic who thinks he’s Albert Einstein and shes starts dismissing him …..not good!

  155. Once again Jm is rejecting the whole evaluation of Domestic Violence. This broads testimony is irrelevant to that issue.

  157. Nurmi will crush her on cross when he asks her how many DM cases she has worked n.

      • I dodge those sorts of people like the plague, I had a young doctor just like her. No one liked her.

      • I agree. I think we need to be prepared that this witness is going to say some pretty awful things. I have to keep in mind that JW day will come.

  159. can I just be known as Russo from now on????? It’s embarrassing that her mother copied my mother’s choice of a first name…

    • BUT, Janeen— You are a warm, wonderful, smart woman.

      Not an uptight, cold bitch.

      ♥ @ U

      • I am SOOOOOOOO not like her…..LOL LOL Polar opposites…think she’s old enough to know what that means???????? LOL

        I adore you Renee!!!!

    • awww…we know you aren’t a cold and heartless beeootch like the janeen on the stand at the moment.

    • No Janeen,we love you!Dont change your name due to that lying,rehearsed bad bad actress!! LOL!

    • Russo –
      For a while some people were calling Martinez, M.
      And some still are I think.

      I almost changed my name on here, as that’s the LAST person I’d want to share anything with.
      But I’m probably taller and much sweeter than that lil’ booger, so I forged onward as M.

      🙂

    • Janeen, you’re awesome. Don’t let that bitch ruin it for you. We’ll call her something else. I’m sure someone here is very talented with pseudo names.

        • lol! Keep your name, Dynamo brought up a good point that you will be the one who saves your first name from being associated with that animated ice sculpture on the stand. 🙂

  161. I hope there is at least one juror who has had to use a therapist or counselor so they can see how ‘cold’ this person is. This woman sounds more like a teacher than at true therapist and you know what they say, ‘those who can do; those who can’t teach.”

    • Don’t you dare insult the teaching profession with your post. Teachers have to have a LOT of empathy to succeed at their job.

      As somebody who has been a teacher, you just pissed me off with that remark. 🙂

      • I am sorry to have offended you, Tonysam. That comment is not meant to a professional teacher of academics. That is an old saying that us musicians have and it sometimes applies to professions such as doctors, therapists, and artists. In these cases it means because for one reason or another the person could not get a job as a therapist/musician/artist/actor so they teach as a source of income instead. Those that ‘can’ are busy doing therefore they do not have time to teach. It has nothing to do with teachers as a profession. I hope you can see the difference.

        • I see the quip used all too often used to bash teachers, and it really gets my dander up.

          I hope you understand where I am coming from.

          Teachers have to have empathy to be successful at their jobs. So much of what they do is beyond teaching and assessing. Often they have to be almost a surrogate parent to the students, a social worker.

          This snake on the stand would do better as a prosecutor for Maricopa County.

  162. She’s full of shit. ANY and EVERY Psych major knows Wayne W. Dyers Erroneous Zones. I got my degree in 2002 and it was mandatory reading.

    • LOL Carla-
      I thought the same thing. She’s not very well read. Also thought if she’s had patients that have read the Secret and it interfered with their therapy, one would think she would have taken the time to read the book to really understand where her patients were coming from.

  164. She has NEVER heard of the book “Your Erroneous Zones” so how can she say this book would “influence” anyone in a specific way and how does she know Jodi, in fact, READ this book? Did she ASK Jodi if she read the book and what Jodi may have gotten out of the book after reading it, if she read it? This is the only way to assess if the book had any “influence” on Jodi’s having been a victim of abuse. Already this witness is incredible…not thorough evaluation. My opinion.

    • How can she not have heard of Dyer’s book? It’s been around for nearly 40 years.

      Being an infant is no excuse.

      • Definitely not an excuse.Im 2 years younger,Im not a psychologist,Im not american but have heard of the book!

    • I’m 36 and the first time my father mentioned Erroneous Zones I was 12. Up until now I haven’t read it, but last month I saw Wayne Dyer and realized he was the author lol

    • she is far to young of person to know this book, I might even tend to think she could be too young of mind to understand the book “Your Erroneous Zones”

      • vebe, She has had education in the field of psychology but has not been exposed much. Not knowing of this book verifies this fact.

  165. I seriously hope defense asks, have you by any chance had oh.. let’s say 30 years of experienced working with battered women? Have you ever testified in a case for a battered woman? Have you ever been a victim of abuse yourself? Do you know how subjective the field of psychology can be with your limited experience? Do you understand that your evaluations of those already deemed clinically insane have absolutely no bearing on this case? Do you know that PTSD and insanity are two very different things? I’m rambling here, sorry..

  166. The jury is going to wonder why the prosecution only has a witness with a couple years experience compared to the defense’s experts who have been in practice since before this one was born. If i were a juror, I would wonder why they couldn’t find as seasoned an expert as they defense came up with and I would conclude that the seasoned experts wouldn’t agree with the pros. theories. I believe JM probably looked high and low for a couple years for someone with more experience and this is what he got stuck with due to the fact that no respectable expert would take his case.

  167. This must be why JM was so hung up on snow white…she is his snow white and he is her dwarf…

  168. She speaks like someone who is forcing their lecturing on others, emphasizing each word to make sure they got it. Condescending and turn off to any one who is subjected to it (even children.)

    • Much agreed – I see her as very condescending as well as having undeserved arrogance.

    • BIG TURN OFF! I did not think she would be so bad, she is a Yes Man for Martinez its overly prejudicial towards the Defense Expert witnesses. What a difference between Samuels and LaViolette.

  171. Someone’s going to tear this little neophyte a new you know what.

    I was just driving back to the office and heard little parts of her experience.

    So she did evaluations in a lab after her BA where she worked with other grad students and professors. We know how that works. The Intern is the gopher, makes the coffee, gets the water and sits in on the occasional interview.

    And this directorship. She oversees the testing curriculum of 3 doctoral students. Big whup.

  176. was Jodi forced to comply with an interview with this person….argh….I wish she would of just refused to talk to her…..its her right to do so! This jackass phd is going to twist all her words around, wait and see…

      • AA, thanks for confirming this! And thanks for posting the links here the other day.

        Did you get a live stream? check azcentral.com or kpho – they should work. I use them on my iphone/ipad if not at laptop

  178. What a little bitch this woman is. I can’t get over it. She is so full of herself. I wonder if she has any boyfriends. Sorry, I am being bad but this type of ploy and this type of professional makes me sick.

    • agree Nancy….I try very hard to be open minded, I work with too many docs not to be. But I can see right out of the gate that this girl would be way over her head in the setting I work in.
      So sad, but they don’t teach these young PHD’s how to interact with patients, they only teach them whats in the books. They come out of school, and THEN they learn, after many years, how it really is.
      She has no business testifying to anything, and the jury will see it. Not enough experience

      • She was the defense expert before Alyce and is from AZ. She is a Ph.D., published, highly experienced. She had to back out due to getting cancer in mid-2011. That’s when they got Alyce who was able to take on the case last minute, as trial was already scheduled at that time.

    • Is she the doctor mentioned in the motion document AlsoAbused linked here? She got cancer and was replaced by Alyce.

      It may not be the same doctor but Dr. Samuels was mentioned and another one was.

  182. Goodmorning guys! I cant blv this is happening?!!! If this expert would’ve been the defense expert Martinez would’ve already turn her apart! !! Shes such a joke, she doesnt know shit!!! With the law of attraction, she doesnt blv in in and wouldn’t encourage it because it doesnt help people in the way that it doesnt help them deal with the problem bla bla bla whatever she said. But idiot, its doesnt matter what YOU THINK because if the CLIENT is the one that blvs in it then that’s what YOU have to work with and if you dont know much about it right there it shows that THIS EXPERT viewed everything Jodi said in a whole different way, so HOW can she give an accurate evaluation? !!!!!!!!! And SHE would be ABOVE ALV, WHHHYYYYY, because she just got a license that can read a test? ??? WOW that’s so much more knowledgeable then ALV years of experience.

    This little girl has NOTHING on ALV!

    • That is ok I think JW will tear her a new one but in her sweet smiling tone. She seems to be in way over her head.

    • I have read that every patient is comfortable with a particular style of therpist / approach to treatment and that when you are looking for a therapist, you should not hesitate to change therapists until you find one with whom you feel comfortable and have a good rapport. One size does not fit all in therapy. If anyone on the jury has ever been in therapy, he will know that Alyce LaViolette and Dr. Samuels are not inferior therapists because their styles do not match Dr. “Let Me Show You How Much I Know.”

      (And my work computer has frozen. Will someone please post Jodi’s IQ results? Thanks!)

  183. I have a couple of names. Dr Stuck Up….the BITCH…..Baby Doc….Dr Think Her Chyt Don’t Stink…..pick one!!!!!!

  185. Go ahead DeMarte.If you say ”alleged” way too many times,do you think you’ll be more credible??? hahaha!

  187. I’m loving how Martinez is no longer yelling like a lunatic.. because it’s his witness! ARGH.

  188. Kermit is really going to let her look at her notes? He doesn’t like for people to look at their notes..

    • Again, a left over of the Valley Girl accent that was so popular when she was a young ‘un.

    • Arrogant which can really turn off a Jury. The Law of attraction is not something that Alyce or Dr.Samuels condoned or promoted it was something that Jodi and Travis embraced, so I do not even see the relevance it was an explanation for Jodi’s Journals not an acceptance of the Ideology. You can disagree with The Law Of Attraction and the explanation she gave was generic. But cause and effect are part of a evaluation. And since Alyce and Samuels’ were evaluating her, the inclusion of The Law Of Attraction was evidence, not something that was prescribed by them Stupid.

  191. Why on Earth is she making so many facial expressions???Does she think she’ll get credibility points in this way?

  192. She is not even really looking at that paper. Did you see the way she looked at JM?

    • I know……….. I am coming close to calling her the C word, which normally I am deeply offended by, but I have just diagnosed Baby Doc, and sure enough, she is a C*nt.

  194. Wow, so rehearsed. This witness must have spent hours with JM to get him exactly the answers he wanted. Each move, each question, each piece of evidence carefully scripted. Cross should be interesting.

  199. Hate to say it but based on the jury question posed to AL and Samuels the defense better really bring it as far as turning the jury against this chic. If I had to guess they are eating up her info with a spoon. It will help justify their feelings towards the other experts etc .

    • Of course, Martinez is laying it out beautifully for her, NOT interrupting her answers. Why would the jury be confused now?

    • Yeah, sure they are.

      I am sure they are ignoring the fact she utterly NO experience at all for all intents and purposes and ignoring the fact JM couldn’t get anybody else to testify for him.

  200. Does it sound to anyone like she’s studied way too much last night? ?!!!! Lol i swear it sounds like she went through her lines like a thousand times!!! Even her face, shes acting! !! Maybe Nurmi should chk if this girl is a failed inspired actresses cuz she SUCKS!!!

  201. I think we can now prove that we have more dignity as the haters do, by not going the same road as they did with Dr Samuels and Ms Alyce Laviolette
    Good for JW wanting Dr S referred as Dr Samuels

  206. ”bubble sheet” as in ”answer sheet”??
    How could that involve ”human error”? I have 10 year olds in my class filling in their answers on answer sheets and they are never confused!How difficult is it?

  207. He is flailing his arms, dancing around, gonna fall down, Lecture on ‘THE IMPORTANCE OF BUBBLE SHEETS’
    Bubbles bubbles bubbles

  208. Why is he getting so sarcastic with the DR in Dr Samuels.

    The jury has to get that. That is just disrespect.

    By the way I noticed she wasn’t asked if she can prescribe.

    • My thoughts exactly.
      Guess its okay, because she’s submissive(ish) and asks before proceeding.
      Martinez likey.

  214. I don’t think she’s pretty at all. I had to sneak a quick look on the computer at work, yikes.

    I still can’t get the video to work on my iPhone. I’ve tried and tried and also tried the Wild About Trial mobile link. GRRRRR Anyone got a different mobile link?

      • Yeah, I tried that one. It was cutting in and out on me or just not loading at all. But thanks! I did get to hear enough of her to form my opinion. She bases everything on tests because she doesn’t have any real life experience. And her posh valley girl voice drove me up a tree.

        On another note though, when you look at Jodi compared to her, you see women of the same age. Jodi sounds more intelligent to me, so it sort of makes you sad that Jodi had the life she did. She could be right where this chick is. I hope the jury feels that.

        • That MAY be posh (maybe) in a 13 year old. For an adult professional over 30, it just seems juvenile.

    • How can she evaluate her the. If she feels she lied?? That was a stupid thing to say. Still catching up so ill have to see the context

  220. PSTD assoicated with a trauma that can be remembered you fk MORON>……………….

    • I have noticed that both JM and Nurmi are writing like crazy. They will have real, valid points to make on cross as opposed to the confused, b.s. dance of JM. Cross should be very good.

  225. What a fucking ROOKIE! That’s all she is, she’s learning and she’s using this as an experience. Didn’t Martinez ask one of the defense experts if they took this case to add to their experience???? Well this is what we have here!!

    She’s such a bad actress! !!

  226. Does any one know yet if the defense will be able to do a rebuttal to the State’s rebuttal?

    • I wish, but I dont think so. I don’t think it is fair the prosecution gets to go twice and the defense just once.

    • That is exceptionally rare in AZ and would only occur if the judge allowed it and it was based on completely new information never brought up in the case before.

    • Nope. That’s a shame with our judicial system. The person fighting for their life doesn’t have the opportunity to call witnesses to refute their rebuttal witnesses.

  227. And the prosecution says the defense experts are biased.

    Her statement about Jodi lied on the test shows bias against Jodi.

    Plus, she said the incident happened with a stranger. It didn’t, happened with Travis. She is still protecting him. But all the questions that followed still referenced the same incident. It did not invalidate any answers. It is not like she talked about getting mugged, when that never happened, then went back and said it was an incident with Travis.

    • How can you “lie” on a test if you don’t know what it assesses or what can be diagnosed from it?

      What a bunch of shit.

  228. Please – professionals – I am not a psychologist/psychotherapist but in my experience it sounds like she is giving a limited version of PTSD as opposed to the full explanation where it can happen from a build-up of experiences instead of just one experience. So – is she telling the whole truth?

    • Cindyp,
      Right, and that is something for sure, the defense will address when they get their turn. I’m sure they will ask her if she liked Jodi, as well as other things to discredit her. Trust the defense…they will NOT go easy on her.

  229. I hope Jennifer asks her “You don’t like Ms. Arias do you”? It is obvious that when she speaks of her she sounds and looks like she has tasted something bad. Talk about being partial and biased. She is in the opposite extreme of what Martinez has been accusing the defense witnesses of. This is such a freakin sham.

  231. Wow, I thought this was a page for positivity and clearing Jodi’s name.

    The comments about the witness today are over the top and plain old mean.

    • Lori, the comments here are nothing compaired to the Jodi “hater”sites…you won’t see any death threats or witness intimidation here!

    • This is also a safe place for people to vent their frustrations considering how biased this trial is and how many counts of prosecutorial misconduct are being allowed. Nobody is threatening anyone nor lying about the case. Venting frustrations helps to diffuse stress, too.

    • Lori, we are here for Jodi *and* we are also here to vent our frustrations. We’re not planning an orchestrated attack on this woman. I don’t know which comments you think are way over the top, but I know they’re nothing compared to the ones that have been made about Jodi.

    • Some comments may seem mean to you but we are all entitled to our own opinions. We are not however trying to ruin this woman’s career.

    • Well, Lori, until and unless you are SJ, I am not changing a fucking thing about myself.

      This page is not a requirement, that is, you are not forced to be here.

      In my experience, those who contribute little and then put down the members are actually just here to instigate.

      • Hero…I’ve said it before and I’ll continue to say it ad nauseum….I adore you! You are AWESOME!!!! DON’T YOU EVER CHANGE ANYTHING ABOUT YOURSELF!!!!!! 🙂

      • Brilliantly put.

        Don’t like it? Leave.

        I don’t go to the hater sites to stir shit up (although, sometimes I think I should for the amount of times they have started shit with me here).

        They should stop coming here and getting all pissy when they know damn well they aren’t going to clean up the 1,000 bad reviews left for Alyce on her amazon book page.

    • I find it hard to like Dr DM too, that is why I think we should take the challenge not going down the same road as the haters and try to keep dignity here and refrain from name calling.
      As I said Dr DM is right now very challenging in this regard in my opinion

      • That is what I mean. I am not a hater or name caller. Just because I dont write on this page alot does not make me a bad person or trying to instigate anything.
        I don’t read the haters page, this is the only page I read everday so I have no idea what they are saying.
        Name calling is just not nice. You can be better than that and still write out your frustrations.
        Sorry if I offended anyone, but I got offended too.

        • But Lori, if you’ve read enough posts from us, you know that we’re constantly calling them names.

          The difference is that we are clever and funny and not full of hate. Yes, we get angry, but we don’t take it as far as they do.

          I’ve compared NG to the devil many times. But it was funny and meant to relieve our stress. It wasn’t hateful at all. I’m not a hater either. I feel sorry for those people who caused so much damage with their vitriol and I definitely get offended when I feel someone is putting me in that category.

          I understand you might have felt uncomfortable with some of the comments, but you kind of generalized and kind of implied we were just like them.

          I hope you still support Jodi in spite of this misunderstanding. =)

        • Lori,
          In normal day to day life I don’t agree with name calling either. But this case is quite different.It brings out the best and worst in people because people are passionate about their views whether for or against Jodi. But if you have been reading this site on a regular basis as you said, then you should know by now that most comments are well thought out and well put opinions. And for the most part this is a respectful community where anyone can voice their opinions as long as they are respectful and realize this is a pro-Jodi site.
          Most here watch this trial everyday and have since day one.Many have been victims of abuse themselves and can relate to Jodi’s experiences. All here have been witnesses of the horror that mainstream media and social media can do to what should be an immune, untouchable process otherwise known as our judictional system.
          This trial has made a mockery of it from the beginning and continues to do so daily. This “Expert Witness” (and I use that term loosely) and her testimony so far is just one more slap in the face.
          Any bad press she is receiving in this forum is due to many factors, but I really don ‘t think it’s as personal as it appears. I think most of us here are just venting our frustrations with the pros in general onto her. She is yet one more poor tactic we must endure from the prosecution. Couldn’t they at least have someone crediable to counter our defense witnesses…maybe 15 more years of experience for starters and possibly able to speak without sounding like a charactor from a teenage drama series?Anyway, to sum considering what hater sites have done and are still trying to do to the defense witnesses…by comparrison I believe we are giving this witness the equivalent of a group hug.

    • The comments here aren’t as mean as the witness is saying about Jodi.

      Mostly we have poked fun at her age and lack of experience. She’s fair game on that.

      It isn’t remotely on the level of the “haters.”

  232. I’m about to JUMP THROUGH MY computer…………
    this girl is saying everything JUAN told her to say.
    Do you see how she keeps looking at him and then looking at her sheet?????
    Lets not be obivious ok…….

        • I am hoping that this is a good for JA. I am thinking the jury is not going to connect with the witness She comes across to rehearsed and cold. I am hoping they will see now how insightful educated experienced and compassionate ALV is.

  234. Is there anyone here with a PHd in psychology that can tell me if it’s a little biased and unethical to state someone is lying based on a ptsd test?

    • And again, how can you lie on a test if you don’t know what it is diagnosing for?

      Dr. DeMarte is a quack.

    • I almost wish they hadn’t stricken it from the record. I would love to hear her rip her apart for that one.

  235. HEY BABY DOCTOR:

    YOU ARE SO LUCKY THAT WE HERE DO NOT GO ABOUT RUINING WITNESSES LIVES.

    You are a bitch.

  237. Jennifer Willmott …..gurrrrrrrrrl you gots some azz kicking to do…..BIG TIME!!! This heifa needs to be put in her place!!!

  238. At least Jodi looks calm today. I know from personal experience that you learn to fake it and none of us could possibly know what she is feeling but I like this Jodi so much better than when she is crying. At least today she seems at peace somewhat.

  245. this is like a virgin testifying about what is and is not considered sex…She has NO business judging ANYONE

  246. No, I’ve not seen the scoring sheets. Hmmm, and only spent a few hours. Do you think the jury is remembering how JM said the others didn’t have enough time. JM dug deep to get a so called expert. She goes against everything JM said wasn’t enough experience.

  248. I can’t listen today, watching on mute – probably the best move for my BP anyway

  249. Okay, once she just said “If someone was trying to manipulate the data”. I can now see why JM has her. There is no “real” expert that would say that. She is his puppet.

    • I calculate all my data several times to make sure I did not mess up. Especially because the data goes into a person’s medical file and is used for insurance claims.

      Data for these tests will be apart of a person’s medical file! Of course calculating several times to make sure of no mistake is a good idea.

    • I agree Jodie.

      I am not buying the pro-pros theory that Jodi is such a criminal mastermind, that she can manipulate a psyche test but is dumb enough to turn her license plate upside down to attract cops to her car.

      At this point, I won’t even entertain that stupid, stupid line of thought.

  251. can the jury ask this witness questions?We could then see if they are buying her chyt!

  252. I’m seeing her starting to crack already under the stress in her body language. She’d never last 9 days like ALV did

  253. Defense needs to ask :

    You came into the case late… Had you seen anything on the news prior to interviewing this defendant? If so wouldn’t that create a bias?

    You said an evaluation could be done in 4 hours yet you took 12 hours? Why is that considered extreme?

    Have you much experience with domestic violence

    Had you spoken to Travis Alexander? Have you ever met Travis Alexander ?

    How many patients have you diagnosed with PtSD in your several years expierence?

    Have you ever attended a speaking engagement given by AlV? Have you ever applied her continuum in your work?

    • Thanks! Through out this whole trial I have tried my best to think as a juror , well assuming they have remained balanced, and I would want to know the answers to them. Given this woman and AVL practice in the same state and this expert is much younger than AL I would bet that she has referenced her teachings thought out her limited work being AL seems to have been a pioneer in the area.

    • Don’t forget to throw in Snow White and her posse, too…

      Have you met any of the dwarfs? (JM: ‘jection, mommy, the prosc never lived in that ol’shack!)
      lol. Good Q’s, Brenda.

  256. Ms. Demented or whatever your name is (ok.. really I shouldn’t say that, but I’m a little worked up) but are YOU a human lie detector test?

  262. Its so CLLLEEEAARRRRRRR Martinez told her what to say!! The test was MANIPULATED!!! That’s exactly what he wants the jury to think!!! THAT’S SO FUCKED UP!!! They’ve gone through this, its obvious to me and I hope the jury does too!

    • SO so so so rehearsed, and she’s drinking a lot of WATER>>>>> bit nervous for bashing other professionals with way more experience …………

  267. The fact of the matter is, most patients with true PTSD don’t seek treatment. It takes a very long time to get them to trust you enough to really open up and talk about what’s going on.
    My dad had severe PTSD from WW2 and Korea. He REFUSED to admit it until he was way into his 70’s and the family forced him into treatment. In the hospital, the doctors all documented that he had no symptoms, because my dad would minimize everything. He didn’t want to look weak, go figure he was a Marine…it was the family and the nurses that had to give the doctors the information in order for them to see the true picture, and it took 6 weeks for them to finally build the trust for him to open up. A person with PTSD doesn’t typically trust people, that’s why ALV was right on target with Jodi, she took her time, built the trust with her, in order to get the most accurate assessment she could.
    Nothing against doctors, its just they don’t typically have the time to really get to the know the patient. They rely almost entirely on the nurses documentation in a hospital setting, to report the patient behaviors to get an accurate picture. Jodi would not open up enough to this person, so this assessment is completely irrelevant and not accurate.

    • Thanx Melvis for this parallelism-really helped me understand why Jodi might be hesitant to trust a psychologist.

      • your welcome maria. Glad it helped. I worked with veterans for most of my career, so I feel fairly versed in the subject of PTSD. However, we also treated chronic mental illness, and addictions.
        I live near several military bases, and near the woods and mountains. We have several “camps” out in the woods where alot of our PTSD guys hide out, and live. They can’t tolerate being in society. Very sad, but they feel more comfortable not being around people. We only see them come in when the police get involved. That’s the truest form of the disease. Very sad…:{

        • I so agree Melvis. As a domestic abuse victim with PTSD, it took me weeks with each of my therapists to open up. The first one had 15 years of experience working with people like me and she took her time and made me very comfortable. The second one only had a year and a half of experience period. At first, I hated her, and wouldn’t open up one bit. I almost quit seeing her as I thought it was such a waste of time. But then, she seemed much more compassionate — perhaps because I called her on her lack of compassion and her “answering questions with a question BS” that annoyed me. She said she learned a lot from me but boy was I a tough nut to crack at first. Abuse victims don’t trust easily again.

  268. I don’t even get this whole ‘bias’ thing. Of course the defense expert has some bias towards the defendant, and ** obviously** the prosecutor witness has a lot of bias against the defendant.

  269. I gotta say, it would be nice if the defense emphasized that Dr. DeMarte is the same age as or a little younger than the # of years of experience that Dr. Samuels and ALV each have individually.

  270. She sounds like Vanna White If she was an expert witness she sounds so much like a Game Show hostess, This person is way to fake, If I needed a psychiatrist she would be the last person I would go to,
    I would expect that type of talk from a Miss America contestant being interviewed. Not a Psychologist etc. I liked Dr. Samuels.

  271. Is it just me or does the way Mr Martinez approaches the judge when there is an objection annoy the heck out of you?

    • Lol, not as annoying as his pacing back and forth and waving his hands CONSTANTLY while questioning a witness.

    • Ohhh yes, after abusing the witness he turns pathetically to the equally pathetic judge and in a whiny voice says she’s unresponsive…

  272. According to JM and Dr. DeMarte all those haters out there would make great therapists since they lack compassion.

  276. OMG ALV does not work with test because she is not a mindless robot. She has true experience and that speaks louder to me than a few bubble test.

    • True to that! This one comes off as a mindless robot…wonder how she will view things 30 years from now?

  278. This witness comes off as not being very thorough. She didn’t spend much time with Jodi for a clinical interview, she didn’t re check any test scores, she didn’t investigate any books that as she says may have influenced Jodi etc. All she can do is make statements against her more experienced colleuges who looked at the whole picture.

    I can imagine the jury will see this.

    • Alaina,
      JW should have STARTED with that after JD stated her education and experience.

    • I know ALV read Dr. DeMarte’s report … I don’t know if she read her notes though.

  283. This is so stupid. I don’t think another person could look at my notes and understand them.

    • That is why they teach to limit your note taking with clients for this reason exactly it would be brought ot court.

      • Thank you. I’ve been saying that all along and it annoyed me about ALV taking so many notes. With DV victims, any therapist should know that notes are subpoenable and discoverable in court and should, therefore, be kept to a bare minimum.

    • LOL My notes have doodling ALL over them…I must have borderline personality disorder…or at least MARGINal PENsonality disorder. 🙂

  284. ALV testified a thousand times that her diagnosis was NOT just based on Jodi’s testimony! But on emails, texts, interviews, and more!

    Dr. DeMarte is clearly saying what the prosecutor wants her to say.

  285. Giving tests helps to be objective! But on the other hand Jodi is trying to manipulate tests? WTF!?

  287. Testing has nothing to do with DV…? This makes no sense, this idiot has no experience with domestic violence. Her testimony at least should be related to Dr Samuels.

    • I know I do not understand how she can even comment on the DV. DV can not be determined by a test.

  288. Anyone remember how long Samuels spent with Jodi?

    Why are the repeatedly referring to “while she was in jail” I mean they might as well parade Jodi out in her orange jumpsuit!!! It’s not fair to her. The reason they don’t is because it is prejudice but yet they keep repeating this to the jury!

    • Brenda,

      LIke the jury doesn’t know she hasn’t been in jail…. Why don’t they just testify to their findings and not bash other expertise witnesses………..

    • So we have 2, lets say more “seasoned” if you will, experts that both spent the same amount of time with the defendant. Jury needs a refresher on this.

    • That’s right Brenda, her statements are prejudicial.

      Dr Samuels spent 44 hours with her, from what I remember. He said that any more than that and the doctor/patient relationship would change from evaluation to therapy.

  290. Oh,so now ALV JUST didnt believe TA ‘s fear of Jodi stalking him???? No you asshole,his pattern of behaviour provided her with all the necessary info she needed to NOT believe his allegations!!!

  291. I rarely post but often read this site and I agree with most of the posters here. I am a Jodi supporter

    She is bullshit about about A SPECIFIC TRAUMA determines if you have PTSD. I for had several traumas that determined the diagnosis. I had several visits and 2 different Doctors. The Traumas consisted of a car crash when I was a teenager where my sister were and I were trapped in a burning car. I believed then that I would die. By the grace of God we survived. (able to get out before the car was fully engulfed). Later in life, I was in a horrible abusive relationship. My X in one instance had a loaded gun to my head and said this was my last day on earth. I pushed the gun away it went off and the bullet hit the floor. These are only two examples of the different traumas. I had many sleepless nights and nightmares that didn’t have anything to do with the traumas that determined the PTSD diagnosis. Her testimony only shows how biased and inexperienced she truly is. And how does a test determine Domestic Violence? She is truly STUPID, PHD or not!

    • Welcome lilsaa. I’m so very sorry for all that you went through. My PTSD was not diagnosed by “tests” either, but by clinical observations by a licensed therapist and a psychiatrist. I so agree with you.

    • lilsaa, I’m so sorry that you went through this, how awful. Welcome to our site.

  292. She never said she didn’t believe him. She said that his reactions/behavior didn’t show he was afraid.

  293. I have nothing against this woman because she is just doing her job but due to the way all the haters are cheering her and Juan on and the way they have talked about Alice L, I hope JW rips her to threads.

    • I dont agree she’s just doing her job.She’s willingly lying and trying to cash out all the popularity this trial is gonna get her to BUILD a career she doesnt have!

      • Maria, I don’t think she’s “lying” I just think she is limited in her knowledge of EVERYTHING to this case. Twelve hours of evaluation time…did she READ ALL of Jodi’s journals like Dr. Samuals did?…JD is just speaking purely from an educational point of view; classic indication of lack of experience.

        • I agree – she is inexperienced as well as has limited info. I get the feeling she is in this profession and now testifying here for money and to further her career but has no real interest in helping people. I feel like JM recognized this so sought her out and straight-up asked if she could make an argument against DV and she said yes. Because of this she is using info that fits their premeditation argument and excluding info (such as tests, evaluations, etc) that would prove DV.

        • OK,maybe I didnt use the correct word but still,she didnt do all those things you have listed here and I agree with you.Her evaluation is limited and one sided.So to me,this is NOT being honest when testifying coz if she’s agood professioanl she definitely knows 12 hours are not enough,so if she’s willingly misrepresents facts she’s lying imho.

          • Yes,I understand Maria. I think she thinks 12 hours is sufficient…maybe for mental patients’ or therapy patients’ evaluations, but for a Death Penalty Murder Trial Defendant evaluation? I wonder if she has EVER evaluated someone who killed someone in self defense…and how many PTSD evaluations has she conducted.

    • Obee…ditto!!! I agree totally……we all saw what happened to ALV by the haters, and I will not hate like that on someone just doing a job they were hired to do. It’s nothing personal. However, I also can’t wait to see either Nurmi or JW call her out!!!

      • Pinsky will start making a house call…and she will end up being a co-host on his show for HLN.

        • LOL, isn’t that the truth. You know I read somewhere the other day that at times even the state’s expert witnesses are paid. Need to go find that article.

          • My gut on this woman today, and from looking at everything she’s done, is that she wants to be an expert witness, nothing else.

  295. Off the wall question but did Travis ever put in any of the writings we have seen that he was a virgin? Or was this something we have only verbal confirmation of?

    • I don’t know about his writings, but we all know he told his friends and family he was.

  296. I am sure she has never testified in court before. She seems pretty nervous. The defense will have an easy time crossing her, and will try to show she doesn;t like Jodi among other things, but will have to try not to attack, so they don’t appear to be a bully, a la JM. I wonder if Nurmi will do the cross….?

    • I hope they ask her ” can you answer that in a yes or no” if not feel free to expand upon your answer! We want to understand your testimony lol.

  297. Did she just say “she loves Justin Beiber”? I could have sworn I heard that. Anyone?

    • Oh,how I wish Jennifer would stoop that low as to ask (in a Kermit’s voice” :Isnt it true that you DESPISE the defendant?

  299. Okay, something is seriously wrong here. This witness was supposed to do an independent evaluation of Jodi, correct? YES OR NO? lol!

    So why is she passing judgment on Dr. Samuels and on Alyce’s findings?

    Is she not also supposed to be unbiased?

    Or was she hired specifically to evaluate the way the way the defense witnesses came up with their diagnosis?

  300. Again, I must say:

    Dr. Samuels = 30+ years of experience
    Alyce LaViolette = 30 years of experience

    Dr. DeMarte = 32 years of age.

    Get my drift?

  301. Please someone make her stop flaring her nostrils, they are driving me nuts?!!!! I know it’s immature, but her testimony means shit to me, so all I have to pay attention to is her oddly positioned flaring nostrils. And if the jurors said ALV was smiling at Jodi, this doc is gouging Jodi’s eyes out with her eyes! She looks as if she hates her .

    • Right, I wonder if she will be taken to task for staring at Jodi.

      lol@oddly positioned flaring nostrils.

      I am trying sooo hard to ignore her nose. I really am!!!

      • I cant ignore it, she seriously looks like a groundhog. Every time she flares up her nostril her lips pull up and you can see her buck teeth! !!

    • Who remembers Austin Powers where he keeps staring at the mole on the guys face??? Moley, Moley, Guacamole??? lol

  302. A psychologist’s job is to dig deeper, not just look at what is on the surface.

  304. So according to this witness, her own opinion is subjective since it isn’t based on just testing.

  305. The fact of the matter is is that she is taking everything out of context just like Martinez always does and has no basis for her opinions on domestic violence. She wants to look only at tests which are also subjective to a degree. She continues to call them objective when they are only useful in a limited context. She is being asked about changing words, etc as though the defense experts were lying and she is agreeing with JM with all these hypotheticals also. Courts aren’t supposed to deal with hypotheticals. This case is even more ripe with appealable issues.

    • Agreed, Nancy!

      Not only that, she mentions ‘manipulating data’ when Samuels said several times he made a human error. Quite a small one, at that.

      This is ridiculous. She is what is wrong with psychology. Suggesting that spending 44 hours with someone is ‘extreme’ is definitely changing the context. I’d say spending 44 hours to diagnose someone is going above and beyond the requirements.

  306. FK I don’t blame for not looking at her…. she’s roughly the same age as Jodi…………. My daughter’s would of shut her out …….

  307. Her voice is soooooo annoying!!!
    She does not seem sincere nor does
    and her lack of intergrity is disgusting.
    I hope JW rips her to shreds!
    This clearly has to be he joke of the day!!

  308. As an aside, Donovan is sitting kind of far away from JA’s mom and Aunt. I noticed the comment about JM and his height was removed from the twitter thread. I wish the whole thing would disappear along with it.

  309. She gave her a reading test, because you wouln’t know she could read from her journals

  310. This is a joke. Poor Juan. He has a witness with two years experience passing judgement on Psychologists with 35 plus years experience each. All this one does is rely on tests and misses all the behavior which is what Psychology is all about. Did she miss that part in her educational process?

  311. She’s all about data and tests. Her head is so wrapped up in her schooling she seems completely devoid of coming to any original though of her own.. if there isn’t an answer sheet and a book somewhere to tell her what it means. Don’t know if that makes sense or not, but anyway…

    • Yes, makes sense to me. Its like she’s reading out of her books. Shes not coming up wuth what shes found, shes reading the definition of words. Like she memorized it!

  313. WTF………reading test., intelligence test, PSTD test, personality disorder test………

    • Haha. To me its like watching a high school student presenting their project. It just seems so rehearsed.

  316. What are they going to say now that her IQ is so high that she could manipulate the tests

    • But testing is everything.. there is no data without testing. You have to get good data and tests! You can’t get a complete picture without it! (I’m being sarcastic 🙂

      • LOL… a seasoned psychologist uses test to back up their hypotheis……….. Fk this chick adminstered test because they is all she knows how to do………… TEST happen. Because she lacks experience in the field.

        • This is it! Tests are used to back up, substantiate, or possibly discard other data. It should never be looked at alone. Juan only cares about science when he can fit it to his own narrow skewed POV.

    • And how would she have the capability of manipulating the tests when she didn’t known at the beginning what the tests were FOR? She isn’t that smart, and furthermore she doesn’t have the education to even know how to game it.

      • She did get her GED in jail, and she was super smart in high school which could be a reason why she dropped out.

        High drop out rates with extremely intelligent people.

        Yes, anyone that is smart could manipulate the test……….. but on this particular test they ask the same questions repeatedly in 3-5 different ways. So highly doubtful.

        • She only dropped out in 11th grade it is not like she dropped out in Jr High
          like people make it sound so horrible. Think back on how many credits you
          needed to finish at the end of 11th grade. Not many most people do not even
          have a full schedule in 12 grade an some even graduate mid term. I did the
          same thing an hear the same criticism as I went to work an finished the few
          credits on my own. At least she did finish with a GED there is nothing wrong
          with that in my eyes though I know a lot of people put that down but when you
          can’t get along at home an are on your own in life it is hard to go to HS with
          the immature spoiled brats an live a HS Life in my opinion.

        • But her IQ was 119, isn’t that what shrinky baby said? That’s nowhere near what Einstein’s is estimated to be. And I’m sorry, but listening to Jodi talk, she’s got an IQ way higher than that. So, maybe shrinky baby ‘s tests aren’t all that accurate.

          • I’m sure that none of us would test to our full potential under certain circumstances.

  317. Oh you mean she had a high IQ? Hm… where did we hear that before that was laughed at?

    • So let me get this straight…..I think what we’re about to hear from M’s moputh is that if Jodi is too bright/intelligent she CAN premeditate/ lie/and fool everybody????

      • Well certainly this young lady is qualified with her data and tests that are so important to get to the bottom of it! (Sarcasm)

      • She’s smart in some ways, but she isn’t smart enough to premeditate a murder and cover up her tracks.

    • Vocal fry is also an indication of vocal nodules. Considering she is constantly drinking water, I say, that is a high possibility.

      When you have vocal fry, you are supposed to avoid speaking situations as much as possible and drink plenty of water. Since she cannot avoid speaking due to her having to testify, she probably has to drink plenty of water to keep her vocal folds hydrated

  320. No you cannot reference your records. Do you have a memory problem yes or no

  321. All this proves is that Jodi was indeed above average in intelligence, like she thought.

    • Exactly! And attempts to make her look poor with the Einstein reference are now garbage!

    • This was laughed at by Nancy Disgrace when A.L. was discussing Jodi’s understanding she had a high IQ. This woman is confirming it!

  323. When did she give her this test on short term memory? Because if it was just last year wouldn’t be long term????

    • It really doesn’t matter IMO as it really doesn’t disprove Jodi could have had memory loss during the events that day. Someone can have excellent short term memory or even long term memory and still experience amnesia under stressful situations.

  325. So according to this Dr. base on objective data only TA identifies himself as a sociopath in his letter to the Hughes and admits to raping JA – right, YES or NO?

    • Oh, and of course, according to the objective data TA on the tapes admits to thinking little 12 year old girls are hot – right, YES or NO?

        • Speaking of objective data only….now according to this Dr. everything JM tried to explain away in TA’s text messages are now to be only thought of as true. Including “feeling his wrath”, wanting to rip tie JA up and raping her in the woods, and that he wanted her to visit him instead or on her way to going to Utah. We can take as truth now objectively that it was JA who was pulling away from the relationship in her words and actions. And we can take as true, objectively, through the TA’s own words to the Hughes, the other girls he was involved with, ex-girlfriend Lisa’s email, and his communications with JA that he – TA was an abuser and user of JA and most women. It’s not hard for one’s mind to understand that physical abuse is not a far leap from what TA has admitted to being, according to the good Dr’s objective data theory.

  328. Ohhh she wanted her to read aloud to see if she could………. READ? O M G

    And she… understands as well? WOW

    I bet she’s going to say she’s mentally ill.. I’m waiting for it..

  329. So he was going to attempt to make Jodi look bad for the Einstein comment pertaining to IQ. Her IQ is obviously higher than Ones, I mean Juans.

  333. Have they confirmed if she reviewed these reports prior to administrating her own tests? This would make a HUGE difference to me as far as going in with a bias when she went to evaluate Jodi.

    Why would you have to review others testing results anyway? How is that helpful in making your own findings???

    • Totally agree Brenda,. I believe she reviewed Dr. Samuels and AL then decided she was going to go a different direct with her test so they couldnt be compared

    • Oh SNAP! Did she just say she has to enter the answers in twice, the computer requires the score to be done twice? But Samuels was ridiculed for rechecking his own scores?

  336. Please don’t hate me for saying this but I like watching this witness – she reminds me of a female Keanu Reeves; questionable acting and all. But that does not change my opinion that she is quite arrogant and condescending; character traits that are not so bad for someone who has earned them. But this is not the case, here.

  338. Does anyone know if when she was hired to do this evaluation if she was hired to evaluate Jodi by the prosecution or was it just from “the court”? Wouldn’t being hired by one group or the other possibly sway your findings?

    • I agree it is very annoying. I have met people like that an I can’t listen very
      long. The blinking an flaring nostrils an the way they make the last word they
      say– roll on drives me insane. Actually basically the same way Travis spoke very
      self righteous an conceited.– My opinion people so do not jump me.–

  340. Then if she was planning to off him she would have been far better prepared and would have ensured her tracks would have been covered so much better

  342. I think this woman with her PHD hates Jodi for having scored higher than her in the IQ test.

    Plus, Jodi is beautiful!! And Talented!! Some people just can’t take that. lol

  346. What this Dr. is leading up to is to give her professional opinion that Jodi’s high IQ, etc, are part of the basis to having diagnosed her as a sociopath or even psychopath. That’s what she will come up with after her tests and her 12 hours of interviews. Lets be clear, there is no trust for someone in jail to be willing to give their most personal thoughts to the state’s efforts (Dr. DeM) which will use the information to send them to the death penalty. That’s what makes her whole testing of Jodi invalid.
    I think this testimony is a waste of time. Maybe I am wrong but we shall see.

  347. Agressssssssive??? Manipulative??? Oh how JM loves putting words in her mouth.

    This is painful to watch.

    • I don’t see why not. They are aloud to ask them for any whiteness to my understanding

      • its going to be interesting what kind of questions they ask her compared to ALV and Dr S.

    • What a surprise! Those ‘manipulating’ tots ought to be treated right away. Monsters!

  352. I would think it would be hard to connect with someone close to your own age who came in to evaluate you and gave you a reading and writing test. Just me…

  353. ok…is Kermit purposely trying to lose this case? I guess he really thinks the jury will fall for baby doc’s inexperience?

    I would swear he is trying to lose on purpose, but that would be silly.

  356. Oh so she has to score it twice because the machine prompts it but others scoring it twice equal manipulation…..

      • could that be because it was a non contact visit ?? Remember when they were talking about the shaking he could not notice bc there was a window between them

      • I think he said he didn’t have the bubble sheet with him but had the test. It just doesn’t look very good. I’m sure he never thought about it being used against him or the defense.

  358. Axis I Clinicla Disorders other conditions that may be a focus of clinical attention

    Axis II Personality Disorders Mental Retardation

    Axis III Gernal medical conditions

    Axis IV psychosocial and environmental problems

    Axis V Global assessemtn for functioning

  359. it makes me very sad that Jodi cooperated with this person. She has a right not to cooperate, and she should of refused…..:{….I wonder if this happened when she didn’t have an attorney.

    • I don’t think she is going to be very credible to the Jury Melvis..her demeanor is a bit immature

      • I sure hope so. I have faith in JW, she will make her silly little “validity” tests null and void. We all have to remember, these tests have NO merit if the patient doesn’t trust you enough to participate…but this little girl won’t learn that for many more years.
        If she is a good PHD, she will look back on this years from now, and say, OMG, I can’t believe I really thought that highly of myself! Yes, mental health is very humbling field when you actually figure it your not has “hot” as you thought you were….lmao!!!!

  360. Which is it? Is she retarded or does she have a high IQ …. It can’t be both by definition

  363. Somatic? Isn’t it psychosomatic? The definition she gave was for psychosomatic.

    Oh now she only focused on certain areas that were most important to her. Shouldn’t JM jump all over this as being an incomplete evaluation.

    • Somatic is correct. This would be somatoform disease, or hyperfocus on physical symptoms.

  365. HAHA I sneaked a peek..I like the look that JW is giving the witness!!!

    OMG, baby doc sucks. I wouldn’t go see her either.

    • And she is so cold! Her web page is all crystal blue persuasion & she is nothing like that description. Someone going to she her for comforting supportive therapy would be in for a rude awakening.

      • exactly, lets hope she has a panic button in her office.{ If she actually treats patients, that is}. She will probably be needing some back up….
        Oh I’d give anything to have ‘assess” some of our chronic PTSD guys, I’d buy the popcorn to watch that!! lmao!!!!!

        • sorry, my laptop is acting up again…I meant to say I’d give anything to have her assess some of our ptsd guys….
          maybe I need more coffee, but I’ll blame my laptop…lmao

  366. IQ Ratings of Over 140 – Genius or near genius

    IQ Ratings of 120 to 140 Highly intelligent

    IQ Ratings of 110 to 119 Very intelligent

    IQ Rating of 90 to 109 Normal or average intelligence

    IQ Ratings of 80 to 89 Dullness

    IQ Rating of 70-79 Borderline deficiency

    IQ Ratings Under70 Definite feeble-mindedness

    • I’m going to take a guess….Intermittent explosive with Borderline traits……

      I’m sure my guess is as good as this Psychologists and my degree isn’t in Psych LOL

  371. While I listed – it sounds more and more like she is describing TA. Can the defense pull out the email rants from TA to Jodi and ask her about that?

    • I agree Cindy. There has to be at least 1 juror that’s picking up on that. JW grinned and started writing during that description.

  372. I’m back. The colonoscopy went fine. No problems!

    How come Juan doesn’t jump all over anything and everything this psychologist says?

  374. omg…she’s laying such a vile foundation to claim that Jodi ”externalised” the blame???So she acted wrongfully?I would like to see HER being attacked by her abuser and having to fight for her life!!!

    • I want the specifics. She is throwing out shit without specifying actual numbers, patterns or diagnosis. Got my DSM-IV handy. This is crap that she can say aggressive, hostility, blaming others., etc without specifically coming out with a personanlity disorder. I don’t buy it. I doubt she has anti-social personanlity disorder, or paranoid personanlity disorder – what else is this dumbo selling?

      • I agree. I have seen no evidence of anti social behavior, multiple perosnality disorder or psychopathy.

  375. I feel like she was sent in by the state to disprove the reports provided by the other two experts. Makes logical sense as far as strategy goes but not if you want to claim she went in without bias. It seems clear to me that she compared her work to the others in her field enough to not have to review her notes when referencing them.

    • Yes………. or dissociative identity disorder formally known as multiple personality disorder

    • Not in the current DSM, so she cannot. Psychopath is more of a media term at the moment, she can say Jodi has anti-social personality disorder, but that sounds like a massive stretch to me. Pretty much someone has to show early signs of this, long-term behavior patterns.

  378. If there is any therapist on this site right now or psychologist other than myself, have you ever in your life heard of someone having numerous different personality disorders??????

    • I’m not a psychologist FUjuan, but I’m a psychiatric nurse. Have been for over 20 years. I can tell you I’ve NEVER seen a patient with multiple axis 2 diagnosis. Usually only 1, and mostly none.
      I will say the majority of the patients I’ve seen ‘stuck” with axis 2 diagnosis are female, if that means anything….just saying. I work with mostly men, so it sticks out for me.

  379. So, she’s now a …………………………..Psychopath?????????????????????????

    THis woman should be put down asap

    She should be SUED.

  383. LOL did anyone else notice Flores checking out JD’s backside…that oh so subtle body scan a guy gives a woman who walks by. 🙂

  385. I’m no do for but it seems this girl is all over the place with all these diagnosis. ….. Doesn’t seem plausible

  386. She is very bias and a Martinez Puppet, since all her explanations are just transparently against Samuel’s and LaViolette

  387. 45 seconds in….something about the way she was speaking
    was rubbing me the wrong way.
    She’s LIKE oh my gawddddd so Faaaaaaake!!!
    Literally nails on chalkboard
    I cannot stand this bitch and her fake valley girl i am better then you
    Attitude! She reminds of me one of those snobby “Can I help you”
    sales associates at a high end department store!

    • I agree.

      I’d hate to sit across the therapy table from her.

      I picture her looking down her nose and lording over her patients. And anyone who defies her will be put down immediately with “Well I’m a doctor and you’re not.”

      IMO it’s that kind of attitude that prevents people from seeking help. Who needs that kind of condescending garbage from a DOCTOR?

      Oh wait, Dr Drew comes to mind here now.

    • Yes, one professional trashing other professionals. Not cool. She comes across as gossipy, unprofessional and a bit arrogant. I think she will turn off some of the jurors. She turned off this online “juror.”

  390. Ok, i felt like we’re back in High School and Martinez was giving a definitions test:

    Martinez: ma’am what’s STUDY mean, whats THAT, can you EXPLAIN? ???

    Damarte (flaring nostrils): Studing is the devotion of time and attention to acquiring knowledge on an academic subject, esp. by means of books. (flaring nostrils again) for example; (flaring nostrils AGAIN) like I’ve done for the past few weeks to answer these questions (flaring nostrils), because I really couldn’t find anything on my own!

  391. I don’t have a problem with this witness yet but I only saw her for a few minutes. Also why can’t Martinez treat all witness’s with this kind of respect? This makes him look even more of a bully and an intimidator and manipulative when you look at how he has treated the defense witness’s.

    I would hope that Jennifer or Kurt would tear into this woman like Martinez tore into Samuels and Alyce but I don’t think that’s their style.

    • it’s not their style to rip her apart, they’ll just let her flop over the stand with her lack of experience

      • IMO they may need to step out of their normal examination mode, which can be described as classy, but they will need to be more assertive with this witness. The jury will take notice. Unlike JM doing it with each witness, a “in your face” style of XE would catch this witness and JM off guard. It will also get the attention of the jury. It is the defense’s last chance.

  392. Who would want this “forensic psychiatrist” diagnosing them?

    How many battered women has she worked with?

    Is there a *test* to diagnose battered women’s syndrome?

    Why did she need to move all the way to Arizona for her residency when she completed her doctorate in Michigan? Couldn’t get a position at a large, metropolitan hospital?

    Did she *sleep* her way to that Director position?

    She sees *patterns* too? Yet none from Travis Alexander?

    She’s smug and talks above everyone. She views *people* as *data*. IMO, that says it all. Cold Fish.

      • I just got on here, Suzy. I’m glad you agree.

        When the ‘forensic psychiatrist’ opened her mouth and I heard her voice, I was immediately turned off.
        Cold.
        No emotion.
        Views people’s feelings as ‘data’.

    • Why did she need to move all the way to Arizona for her residency when she completed her doctorate in Michigan? Couldn’t get a position at a large, metropolitan hospital?

      YUP, thats exactly what happened, I bet!! Let her TRY to get a job in a big city with some REAL mental health patients, see if she gets a job there SUPERVISING experienced experts with 25+ years under them! Yea ok, NEVER gonna happen! What a joke!

  393. Jodi’s IQ was not that high. 119 is *barely* over average. Had she scored over 135, that’s high.

    Does this mean the *forensic psychiatrist* is *manipulating* her results??

    • IQ Ratings of 110 to 119 Very intelligent. One more point and she would have been classified as “Highly Intelligent. When you get up around 135-140, you are talking Genius category.

    • MentalHealth, I’m glad you said this. I was thinking the same thing … and thought I misheard the number and it must have stated 190 instead of 119.

      Yes 119 is great but it’s not in the extremely high category.

      • If Jodi was so manipulative and conniving, she would have faked her I.Q. coming up as incredibly unintelligent to prove she thought killing was her only way out.

      • 119 is considered average not Genius Level so their whole theory about her being a Manipulator is silly, also as you can see IQs mean very little, some people have better verbal skills some mathematical ,depending on education. If you are in a state of distress your brain cannot behave rationally as we can see with people of all different Educational Backgrounds etc. Intelligence is an ability to see the truth in whatever field you are in life skills etc. But under stress people behave differently. Emotional Intelligence has to be taken into consideration.

      • Alyce LaViolette is one of the pioneers for domestic abuse.

        Battered Women’s Syndrome is *not* an illness recognized by the AMA. (which I find wrong)

        Alyce has 35+ years experience and she had to answer to this little kid? This is cuckoo.

      • She would fold like a cheap shirt. She wouldn’t ever be able to handle the abuse that little worm gave the others. I am so annoyed at the way he accentuated DR, now when referring to Dr. Samuals. He is such a prick it’s not funny. Little Napolean, compensating for something, obviously.

      • This witness would never manage it. I feel she’s already feeling the stress and the questions are only coming from *her side*

        If she were a DT team witness she’d maybe last a day under the attacking style from the ogre in that courtroom before breaking down and start crying … imo

  394. Does anyone else remember that Dr. Samuels was asked by the jury if he felt that his 25 hrs spent with Jodi was enough time to truly evaluate Jodi? Implying that it wasn’t enough time? Surely that juror will think her 12hrs with Jodi is a joke!

    • It is a joke. How can you properly assess someone in that short a time? And she had the nerve to call ALV’s 44 hours ‘extreme’? The word I would use is: COMPETENT.

  395. Alyce LaViolette was BRILLIANT not to write up any report this cold, smug *psychiatrist* could rip apart.

      • No. Had a relative who went through extensive treatment during childhood. It only took them 30 years to realize the problem is autism.

        I have little faith in clinical psychiatrists due to the incident I stated above.

        Someone like Alyce LaViolette listens to her patients.

        And this psychiatrist is helping the prosecution put a woman to death. Hippocratic Oath is: ‘first do no harm’ – I’d say Jeanine DeMarty (if that is how you spell her name) is breaking her oath. I have no respect for doctors like her.

        • I just asked you because you gave me the impression you worked in mental health. I’m not a therapist, but I used to work at a non profit working as a case manager and immigration consultant (2 completely different hats) and I learned a lot with LCSW, MSW and MFT. I wanted to get into either social work or immigration atty it’s still up in the air, but this demarty or demartian like I call her shows me that either stuff changed in the mental health dept. I’ve been out of the loop for a few years that I don’t know if book data is more important than intuition/experience hands on.

  396. Is it me or is it lazy work by the prosecution? I mean Mtz doesnt really want to fully engage in anything with this case except data, numbers, doggies etc… and that’s what this demartian girl did. She wants to evaluate data from experts so she can conclude her findings instead of relying on her intuition.

  397. Lol! I’m not at all pissed. I’m like, really feeling, like, sorry for her.

    SHE should be the one PISSED that JM got her up here setting her up for failure.
    She IS a mouth piece for him, but I have a feeling JW has her number. I hope it is JW who crosses her, because I think JW will be able to bring out a catty, unprofessional, demeanor that only another woman can bring out, and only EXPERIENCE and maturity can contain.

  398. Why didn’t the DT have Jodi take the MMPI so they would have their own results if it gleans so much personality information?

    Did the DT receive this witness’s test results during discovery, or are they first learning how she tested on the MMPI now?

    • I would think Rainy that DT would have all of her info prior to going to trial.. and I don’t know why they wouldn’t have that testing done, unless it would be costly as Dr. S and ALV don’t administer that test, and they would have to have an additional expert?

      • I know it’s costly. I’ve heard it referred to as the *gold standard* in mental health so I would have thought they would have. I also was thinking the test Dr. S did was maybe an improved, new version or relative of the MMPI.

        Then at least these results won’t be a surprise to the DT – they won’t be blindsided by the results claimed be this witness and have had time to refute

  399. I miss all morning, does that mean the good stuff is still to come? Meaning the crosss??? Has that happened yet?

    • IMO most every statement I have heard come from this witness is something that can be easily disputed by the defense. These are disputes I can think of relying solely on the defense experts testimony. With that being said, I think Cross is going to be a bad day for Nostrils.
      Her demeanor tells me she can also be EASILY rattled. I think she will look like the catty hater mouth piece she is when the defense is done.
      I also get the feeling that this clearly rehearsed testimony was JM’s bright idea, and when she doesn’t have the “script” she is going to crumble.

  400. I’m going to take the high road on this one. Very high road..like 3 dime bags worth of high road.

    So, now that im on the high road, lets talk about this witness and the subject matter.

    Since im on the “high road”… i’m going to give her the benifit of the doubt. She is 100% right, her evaluation is spot on.

    ALV disagrees with this assesment. Let say ALV is wrong.

    Lets say the defenses Dr. is also wrong.

    So where does that leave us?

    Absolutly right back where we started. The defense claims stuff, but there claims mean nothing. The Prosecution claims stuff, but none of it can be proven. So, is there still reasonable doubt as to pre-meditated murder? Yeppers. Is there a felony seperate from the killing? Nopperz.

    This is all irelevant, IMO. The defense can try and disprove the states story, which they of cource will try, but, it is not needed. This is not there burdon of proof to make.

    This still comes down to pre-med proof and/or finding a felony to add to the killing, which they still have not shown.

    I think the tactic here by the prosecution is appalling. The defense is supposed to be the side that “throws as much shit against the wall as possible and hopes something sticks” the Prosecution is supposed to be the office of “reason and proof”.

    Believe it or not, JM would probably make a great defense attorney, but he is left lacking on the other side of the isle.

    Based on his tact today, it is clear that he should be disregarded as a kooky like bitch that likes to throw cannonfader around in hopes of confusing those he feels are inferior to him. Nothing more, nothing less.

    • I think that experts do tend to cancel one another out. I’ve read comments from jurors in other cases where they said that expert testimony didn’t carry much weight with them on either side.

  401. I have to leave and I didn’t hear what time they will be back. Could anyone enlighten me?

  402. “For a moment there, I thought he was preparing to unveil a picture with a bunch of people stood behind Jodi wearing foil hats, waving light sabers & sporting strange looking undergarments.”

    I LMAO on that one SJ 🙂

  403. You know, her saying that Jodi stating it was a stranger, instead of someone she knew, invalidates the rest of the questions, is false. That is like saying a woman who said she was raped by a white guy, who turned out to be partially Latino, wasn’t raped.

  404. OK, I’m ready to scream. We are turning into a nation of TESTS. My daughter just brought home a song about the State tests of the Common Core Cirriculum. The entire educational system has been turned over to how one scores on a test. Sound familar with this witness?

    • I’m right there with you.

      It was like college. What if an honors student had a high GPA in a superior school system yet did not score well on tests because that student is nervous?

      There are so many problems giving more weight to SAT scores instead of the student’s GPA.

  405. Hi guys,
    I just heard that it will be defense rebuttal after the prosecution’s rebuttal. They might call back ALV or Dr. RS . By any means it’s not over yet. This woman sucks and the defense will tear her apart..
    Team Jodi !!!

    Gee the judge overrules everything for the weisel JM !!!!

    • But unlike the haters, we’re not going to trash her career all over the place. At least I hope that no one does.

      • Agree Kira!!! That is what separates us from the barbarians…..I won’t stoop to the level of name calling and character assasination that the haters do and have done since day 1. Its rude and childish. It is also what sent ALV to the hospital and likely has caused her great stress and pain. This is just a witness, a paid witness for the prosecution, of course she is going to say everything he wants, thats why she is there. Both sides have a right to have whomever they choose take the stand without fear of cyber bullying and hate mongering.

    • I see a major problem: the Hippocratic Oath.

      This doctor is assisting to *harm* a patient.

      So unethical.

    • Yep……thinking the same thing. Her chyt is in the toilet for sure now.

      You just can not talk about another professional the way she is. You can disagree…..but in a respectful manner!!!!

    • Right, she won’t need any of us to post bad reviews. She is doing that all by herself with her behavior on the stand.

      Like HLN, anyone that gravitates towards her will be the psychopaths she accuses Jodi to be.

      • Or you know,she can have a field day examining and evaluating all the haters,one by one!Let’s see if she finds any psychopaths/sociopaths there LOL!

        • Yeah no kidding! Field day there for sure.

          I can’t imagine how the folks at HLN, or this lady, can go to sleep at night knowing that they are appealing to the lowest common denominator of society. Even Martinez seems stupid enough not to be concerned about having “fans” that are ignorant, classless, and get violently reactionary at the idea of anyone disagreeing with them/proving them wrong.

  407. OMG this COW of a judge should just go ahead and have OVERRULED tatooed on her forehead. She better plan on being scrutinized big time if this goes to a retrial. She is BLATENTLY biased. Anyone can see that!

  408. I’m not watching until cross, but from reading the comments here, this witness sounds like a paid shill for the prosecution and nothing more. Of course she’s going to slap the “sociopath” label on Jodi because Kermit needs that to build his case. Jodi does not exhibit the traits of a sociopath – if anything, she feels emotions intensely, not the opposite. And she cares for other people.

  409. Also Abused, do you remeber what day you posted baby docs credentials? I can go look for it but I can’t remember what day it might have been…

    🙁

    • Thanks Anna! 8 years experience…wow..and she takes cash and check….150.00 to 200.00 an hr..hmmmm

      • My psychiatrist (not psychologist) charges 120 for 30 minutes! Yikes. I should ask him if I can have 5 minute sessions…LOL

        • Yeah, those rates are pretty standard. My therapist is 150 an hour but I only have a co-pay thanks to my insurance.

      • She has 8 years of experiences and graduated in 2009. She got her license subsequent to that. Apparently her patients are bad at math.

    • Yes. As psychotherapists obtain more experience in practice *talking* with their patients, they realize those ‘data’ tests are flawed. Thus making their own assessments.

      This woman, DeMarte, is much too young.

      How is it that doctors are allowed to assist in putting a human life to death?

      • She is very young for sure. As far as Dr’s being allowed to assist in putting a human to death……awesome question. I am personally against the DP for many reasons, but again, excellent point here. The prosecution is going for the DP, and she is testifying for them, so in a roundabout way, yes….however, maybe she can reconcile it in her mind by saying she is against it, just doing her job, etc etc….

    • Thanks Anna!

      But I was looking for AA’s information because she had it spelled out exactly what demarte’s experience was actually in…it was a lot more detailed information than that website.

      The website does not show how little her real experience is with adults.

      • To summarize, everything she did was while in school. She was in school for many years and was on the staff at school on and off. She’s had virtually NO clinical experience other than that which she needed to get licensed.

  411. So did she say it was unusual for someone to score high on 10 separate issues? I have a feeling she is going to say Jodi has every type of personality disorder you can have, so far we have seen according to Baby Doc, JA is aggressive and angry, blames everyone else and internalizes everything until she violently reacts. Does this sum up Baby Doc’s evaluation so far?

    • I caught she looked at aggressiveness scale “first” then look at the other 6 scales. Wonder why she picked that particular one? Isn’t that subjective?

    • TB1 – I think she will say whatever her script tells her to say. The only think that would make this script any more obvious would be JM holding up poster boards of it.

      When she is up there without JM’s leading, what’s going to happen? She is going to look really REALLY BAD, and JM won’t give two shits as long as he gets what he wants.

      Well she will be OK professionally, that is, if her goal is a spot on HLN.

    • Baby Doc can spot ‘manipulative’ tots straight from the crib. Waaaaaaaaaah, Dada, waaaaaaaah, cookie, waaaaaaaaaaah booboo . Little psychopaths.

  412. JW has been taking notes like crazy and Nurmi has been studying her like a laser (and not because of her looks) I think JW is ready to eat her alive!!!

    Of course she hasn’t been subjected to “yes or No” or when she gives an estimated answer “is it 9 or is it 10? which is it maam…are you having problems with your memory?” or “right? isn’t that RIGHT?”

    Who gave Flores the authority to tell her she could step down from the stand during the side bar and then he tells her to go sit by the FAMILY?? Then he is over by the bench digging thru evidence documents? Is it just me or is that kind of weird?

  413. Licensed Psychologist here: 1) there is nothing unusual about a psychologist going back and reviewing raw test data after scoring. In fact, it’s recommended in order to evaluate hypotheses and further understand the scores. Although one might want to look at scores in a different way, this would not imply a psychologist was “manipulating” the data. 2) Use of the MCMI, normed with a clinical population, is equally valid for producing a diagnosis. It’s just a different perspective, i.e., is this person showing symptoms consistent with other people who already have the diagnosis vs. is this person showing symptoms of the diagnosis that are only typical among a small percentage of the population who most likely have the diagnosis. 3) PTSD is not necessarily associated with 1 single event. 4) people who have developed PTSD over one set of circumstances are at extreme risk for experiencing PTSD symptoms when faced with additional events that might be experienced as traumatic. The prosecution’s psychologist, especially by using the word “lie” seems far more biased than the defense psychologists. This person is clearly a Hired Gun, as she is going far beyond what she would need to say to refute the Defense Experts.

    • Thank you for your feedback. It’s very apparent that she is more biased then the defense experts who were accused that.

    • Excellent stuff, Tanya. I found the use of the word ‘manipulating’ data offensive, especially considering his reviewing the data had no significance on his findings. His minor math error still didn’t impact the diagnosis.

      It’s infuriating to see someone testify that PTSD is associated with one event. Child abuse survivors and DV survivors often get blamed by ignorant health professionals because they have no understanding of the complexity of such issues.

      Hired gun or completely insane herself? I can’t quite tell just yet.

  414. They jury thought that 40 hrs. of evaluation were not enough, but 12 hrs. by this “EXPERT” is OK?

      • Maybe they will ask her how long each of the tests she gave took and if that was included in her total time spent evaluating Jodi. Like JM said….you can’t know how someone really thinks or feels based on what is written on paper only. Oh wait that only applies if it helps his case. Ok nevermind, I overruled myself.

    • I am so glad that JW called him out on referring to Dr. Samuels as mister. That was such deliberate disrespect!

      But now he his addressing “DR” DeMarte as miss…what is up with that? I noticed she is getting a little
      pissed about it. I wonder if it is such a habit that he doesn’t even realize he is doing it when he speaks to her?

  415. I don’t know if anyone else has posted this, but I was doing some research on Dr. Janeen DeMarte, and I read her home was burglarized in February. Among the things stolen were her laptop and her report about Jodi.

      • The police deemed it “suspicious” because she has been in published documents relating to the case for 2 years. Doesn’t that mean they would have retained her just after her licensing??

        • Yes, and the majority of her experience was work that has to be done as part of her degree, so when she says she supervised grad students, it was part of getting her degree, not that what she was doing as someone who was licensed and independant.

  416. Time for Cross.

    JW: So you are getting paid for this right?
    Baby Doc: Yes
    JW: How many criminal trials have you testified in?
    Baby Doc: This is my first.
    JW: How much experience did you have in 2008?
    Baby Doc: Zero
    JW: Why is it with no trial experience and only 4 years of being a doctor do you think you know more than 2 experts with a combined 70 years of experience?
    Baby Doc: Juan they are being mean to me.

  417. “Mrs. Alv, you said you spent ONLY 44 hours, over 4 meetings, with the defendant”

    “Mr. Samuals (note the mister), do you feel that 40 hours is enough time to be able to fully interview someone, to diag. PTSD?”

    ———————————–
    Twilight zone music please…..
    ———————————–

    “Dr. DeMarte (note the DR.), you spent 12 hours interviewing the defendant, which IS plenty of time to make a professional conclusion, RIGHT?”

    xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
    “Mrs. AVL, you left your phone on, during court, doesn’t that mean you don’t know what the fuck you are doing?”

    “Mr. Samual, you went back and triple double checked your work for errors, to be prepared for this trial, and then fixed any mistakes you may have found…Doesn’t that prove you’re in love with the defendant and poor at your job?”

    ———————————–
    Twilight zone music please…..
    ———————————-

    DOCTOR DeMarte, even though you lost your laptop with ALL of your reports on it, doesn’t that just prove that you are an amazing expert, since you can still recall what I told you to say before trial?”

    Reminds me of a child when they say “i lost my homework”….perhaps JM thinks the dog in TA’s eye ate it.

    Seriously? He would shit a brick 3 miles long and lay it on the judge’s head if ALV or DR. S said they had their reports stolen.

    JM has diarrhea of the mouth and constipation of the brain.
    .

  418. Does anyone remember the name of the test that Dr. DeMarte did that said Jodi’s scores were high and then she made the psychopath reference? Just curious to look it up.

    I don’t know about these tests. They are guides I think when dealing with psychology/psychiatry. There is alot of grey areas. I don’t see how tests are more valid than Alyce LaViolette. I think they are just two different approaches.

  419. Ya know, I liked Alyce LaViolette a lot. I thought she came across as extremely credible, warm, human and compassionate. I do not think there is anything wrong with an evaluator being compassionate. I also think Dr DeMarte is coming across as impressive. She is not very warm though and that could hurt her with the jury. Its a known fact that jurors tend to like expert witnesses that come across human and even fallible. The ones that do not appear arrogant. So far if DeMarte maintains this straightforward clinical approach, if the statistics are true about jurors wanting to see “likeable” qualities in expert witnesses, they could choose to view A laViolette’s testimony as more credible. Its going to come down to Alyce LaViolette versus Janeen deMarte. I think Dr Richard Samuels kind of blew it. I thought he came across as befuddled, sloppy and unprepared. Even though I don’t think giving Jodi that book was any major sin I do think that it was still inappropriate since he was there to add some gravity to a psychological evaluation for her case. I also think Jodi needs to look up at this Dr DeMarte instead of seeming to pretend she is not there. I think jurors are watching her right now and the continual drawing/writing is coming across as strange.

    • Jodi may be mirroring the way this Dr. treated Jodi during her interviews….that is, like she wasn’t there…just an object to be studied, looked at and compared to a bunch of charts.

    • Amelia, at this point, anything and everything that Jodi does is never presented in a good light. They can’t seem to give the poor girl a break.

      • I agree. If Jodi were to look at her someone would accuse her of being aggressive or something like that.

    • Idk I liked Dr Samuels, he made a mistake and he admitted to it. Your right about the way mrs nostrils can turn the jury because of the way she evaluated Jodi ir thats her way if working. Afterall, she donesnt have the experience to go by that but I thk that’s what Martinez is looking for. More of a BY THE BOOK, since, test evaluation so that way it look more believable or less mistakes. But I thk its BS, all these test to me they’re still not 100% accurate, I would depend on someone with 20/30 years experience that have seen almost everything and they know what they’re talking about, not reading the definitions of a test and a diagnosis. I also wouldn’t look to much at jodi looking at this expert. She could have her reasons, she might be very uncomfortable with her.

    • Amelia,
      I agree with you. I liked ALV too, and she was warm and personable. I also think Dr DeMarte is impressive,, and in a different way, as you said, not warm, but very clinical. Some jurors won’t care, some will. It will for sure come down to these 2 witnesses and who they believe is more credible. I also agree about dr Samuels, they might consider him a bit, but not as much as these 2 women. I also agree about Jodi….the jury is probably wondering why she won’t look at her while she is on the stand, as she has looked at every other witness so far.

      • This woman is so cold and clinical, I think she will learn when she gets a little experience under her naive belt, that people will not open up to her and she will not get accurate data when she is being so cold and unapproachable.

      • I would say Jodi is getting questions ready for a rebuttal just as JW an Nurmi an the lady that sits behind them (can’t remember her job description) seem to be writing a lot. I know she may be drawing also but she is writing an conversing with JW at times during this testimony.

    • While I agree, I suspect Jodi didn’t like this doctor very much. Plus, it’s very difficult to sit there and hear all that kind of negative talk about yourself. I’m sure she’s drawing/writing to distract herself and ensure that she doesn’t react. I mean, seriously, wouldn’t you just want to get up and punch someone saying the crap this woman is?

    • Demarte comes off as a pompous lecturing mouthpiece, all strung up with her fresh out of school bubbles testing of patients with no experience on how to interpret them, and with trashing the other experts.

  420. OK if she stay on this objective approach..nothing note worthy to report…how is she going to explain the d. entry when Jodi wrote something off about that boy?

    • Haha good point. I hope defense pulls a Martinez and starts pulling out random points that will help them and stump this witness. There are a lot like that including Travis’ words that ALV called rants.

      A little off topic but why was the jury not allowed to see the emails between the Hughs and Travis?

      • Travis is not alive to authenticate it, so it’s considered hearsay. But since ALV used it to form her opinions, she was allowed to discuss it, but not quote directly from it.

    • What about his texts? Oh boy. And the phone sex all? Let’s look at that literally, shall we. Is it normal to want to pork a 12 year old girl?

  421. I copied this from wikipedia to give us a sense of what is covered on the MMPI scale:

    Clinical scales
    Scale 1 (AKA the Hypochondriasis Scale) : Measures a person’s perception and preoccupation with their health and health issues., Scale 2 (AKA the Depression Scale) : Measures a person’s depressive symptoms level., Scale 3 (AKA the Hysteria Scale) : Measures the emotionality of a person., Scale 4 (AKA the Psychopathic Deviate Scale) : Measures a person’s need for control or their rebellion against control., Scale 5 (AKA the Femininity/Masculinity Scale) : Measures a stereotype of a person and how they compare. For men it would be the Marlboro man, for women it would be June Cleaver or Donna Reed., Scale 6 (AKA the Paranoia Scale) : Measures a person’s inability to trust., Scale 7 (AKA the Psychasthenia Scale) : Measures a person’s anxiety levels and tendencies., Scale 8 (AKA the Schizophrenia Scale) : Measures a person’s unusual/odd cognitive, perceptual, and emotional experiences, Scale 9 (AKA the Mania Scale) : Measures a person’s energy., Scale 0 (AKA the Social Introversion Scale) : Measures whether people enjoy and are comfortable being around other people.

    The original clinical scales were designed to measure common diagnoses of the era.

    Number Abbreviation Description What is measured No. of items
    1 Hs Hypochondriasis Concern with bodily symptoms 32
    2 D Depression Depressive Symptoms 57
    3 Hy Hysteria Awareness of problems and vulnerabilities 60
    4 Pd Psychopathic Deviate Conflict, struggle, anger, respect for society’s rules 50
    5 MF Masculinity/Femininity Stereotypical masculine or feminine interests/behaviors 56
    6 Pa Paranoia Level of trust, suspiciousness, sensitivity 40
    7 Pt Psychasthenia Worry, Anxiety, tension, doubts, obsessiveness 48
    8 Sc Schizophrenia Odd thinking and social alienation 78
    9 Ma Hypomania Level of excitability 46
    0 Si Social Introversion People orientation 69

  422. I think it will be very telling to hear what the jury questions are for this witness, (if they have any) If they have the same tone and sound similar to the ones they asked Dr Samuels and ALV. They will tell us a bit as to what they are thinking of her and her testimony.

  423. From her website:

    “Welcome to Sentience Psychological Services. You might be wondering what the word “sentience” means. Sentience is the ability to feel, perceive, and have self-awareness through emotional experiences. I believe that having the full capacity to feel and perceive both the rewarding and challenging sensations of life in a balanced way supports psychological health. The goal of my practice is to provide conscientious psychological services for people presenting with emotional or behavioral challenges that may be an obstacle in their life. I can provide comprehensive services including therapy, evaluation, consultation, teaching/ lecture, and expert testimony.”

    Even in her introduction she sounds so full of herself. The expert testimony part, gave me all I need to know about her. She’s not in it to help people. She’s in it for the money. imo.

    • Sil,

      Both Alyce LaViolette and Dr Samuels, both say they can provide expert testimony on their websites too. Dr Samuels even says this: “he will determine the facts of the case and any special circumstances and mitigating factors involving the trial process. An extensive evaluation of the respondent, in depth case analysis and research contributes to a succinct report which often will result in a more favorable outcome for your client.”

      Saying his evaluation will often result in a more favorable outcome for your client hurts his ability to be seen as an objective evaluator. One of the reasons I did not like him.

      I had issues with prosecution witnesses too. But because of the way I think Samuels came across- its going to come down to whom the jury finds more credible, Alyce or Janeen.

      • lol! I guess I’m biased, because her voice is getting on my nerves and the way she moves her mouth is grating on my corneas..However, I will say this.

        I can accept that Dr. Samuels and Alyce would state that they provide those services on their websites given the number of years of their experience.

        This lady though seems to be just out of the gate in her profession and I’ll bet she hasn’t given expert testimony as many times as the other experts. I would think that before you wander into such challenging endeavor as giving “expert” testimony, you should really have a stronger background in your field. Not just your shiny diploma decorated with all the gold stars you received in Kindergarten. lol

        What! You Object?

        overruled. heheh

    • Sounds like a milder case of crackpot reworked ‘scream’ therapy. A new fad word.
      No wonder one needs tests to regain some sense of reality.

    • You know, it’s kind of difficult to concentrate on what she’s saying because of her voice and the way she’s explaining things to the…poor uneducated masses.

      • Sil,
        I was just thinking that!! I will be honest, I think she is credible, and likeable enough (to a point) But her voice has that pitchy borderline “valleygirl” accent thing going on……LOL. It kinda gets on your nerves….I do think she is pretty, but thats probably because she looks alot like my sister who passed away in 09.

    • cindy,

      What are you having a problem with in following? I am finding Demarte pretty straight forward. Just as I did Alyce LaViolette. But I do understand abuse and have a pretty good understanding about the basic tenets used in psychology.

      • I’m pretty sure the jury is not having difficulty following her, it’s just that to me personally, it seems like she’s not just giving her clinical diagnosis of Jodi, based on her own findings and tests. She’s there specifically to attack the defense witnesses, in a personal level. At least that’s how it came across to me.

        As a professional, she herself has demonstrated a clear bias against Jodi. Specifically by underhandedly calling her a liar. That was unprofessional and I would think unethical.

  426. “expert testimony”…LOL LOL LOL IN WHAT?????? She has ZERO experience….!

    I agree Sil —- $$$$$$$$

  428. Did she talked to anybody else beside Jodi? I don’t think so…in 12 hrs?

    • Mariana,
      If she didn’t, then the defense should, and will, bring that up….the state made such a HUGE deal of ALV not speaking to anyone but Jodi, so if she didn’t either, JW, or nurmi, will surely bring that up in cross.

  429. So she evaluated Jodi based on her words only. I thought that was the problem for ALV.

    • did i misunderstand or didnt she say she talked to stephen isnt that TA’s brother? also she said she talked to her right after Dr S anybody know the dates he saw her without looking for it?

  430. I can’t believe he couldn’t get anyone else better for this case.

    She reminds me a lot of Katie Wick. Eager to sound like an expert, but not very well spoken.

    Same ice sculpture stare that Sky Hughes and Jinkasaurus had.

    • No self-respected psychologist would agree to that,that’s why he got that young inexperienced baby!

      • I think so too Maria!

        (BTW I chose Greek food for a special dinner the other night and I thought of you when I ordered the ouzo, LOL)

        MB, LOL Ice sculpture stare….

        • awww…so sweet to have thought of me! Easy on the ouzo,really strong LOL!

  431. I actually do think the jury is paying very close attention to this witness. The defense has rested, so they know now all thats left is the States rebuttal witnesses. This witness is there for one reason, to try to discredit the defense’s 2 psych. experts. I am sure they are paying close attention and looking for differences, contradictions, etc. The juror questions will give us a good idea of what they are thinking at this point in time. LOL@Kira……I often wonder if my pysch is playing a wordgame behind his folder while I am talking to him….:)

  432. Wait, but the defense attorneys will get an opportunity to question her, right? Even though they’ve rested.

  434. Hey Everyone,

    I won’t be around posting much, my Mum passed away last night.

    Stay strong, keep up the fight for Jodi.

  435. That’s it people the only reason deMarte aka demartian comes off the way she did is because she has no experience with people

  436. I may be off here, but I’m going to give the jurors some credit here. They have heard the voice of TA and I’m certain they too will look at patterns of behavior, his vile mouth, his agressive nasty statements etc, and not take one statement about Jodi being a stalker at face value, like this Psychologist.

    I just can’t believe the State can overcome Travis’ own voice and convince the jury this was anything more than him being violent and Jodi defending herself…..no matter how many stinking tests she takes.

  437. Speaking with more then just 3 years experience, this Doctor has just committed hari kari to her respect within her own field among her colleagues, to attempt to belittle a well respected professional such as AV is a big no, she does not seem to realize that she is being used by the prosecution because of her lack of experience in practice, I am somewhat surprised that JM would attempt to use a Doctor with so little practical experience, I suspect no one else was willing to counter what the conclusions of 2 other professionals were, AV and Dr. Samuels. Cross examination of this witness should be interesting to say the least.

    • Any one claiming to be able to detect manipulative psychopaths in toddlers has lost total credibility with me.

    • Just to put this into perspective….

      My tattoo artist has more class and professionalism than this baby doc joke does.

      He refuses to talk shit about other artists, even if it’s deserved.

      Goes to show a PHD can’t make up for what people lack in terms of attitude.

      • What is interesting to me here is she stated that AV was subjective and Dr. Samuels flawed and that this must be approached objectively, but she read all their reports and test results first before performing her own evaluation this is also a big no no, proper protocol on evaluations is not to read anything on the subject, other then general information before administering any tests, only a small part of what I have noted flawed in her testimony thus far as to objectivity, the kind of errors I would expect from someone with little experience.

  438. Sorry but I do not think she is attractive. I don’t think she is pretty but I don’t think people should be judged on their looks anyway. Her demeanor and manner of speaking is what puts me off.

    That’s all I have to say about that subject.

  439. Oh well, thank you so very much Janeen for ‘splainin to all us mouthbreathers who are too stupid to know better that there is negativity in life that must be dealt with.

    FYI – I actually agree with her on this. I just don’t like the way she said it.

    • LMAO….. She’s so unprofessional to talk about another seasoned DV witness… Alyce was a DV expert, getting as much information as she needed for her assessment.

      This lady should only be testifying on her assessment of Jodi.

      Clinical pyscholosist aganist a DV expert….. not apple to apple

  442. From reading everyone post, it looks like this witness made a bold assumption on her diagnoses of Jodi with just 12 hours of spending time with her and most of that time, it not all, was testing. We also have to remember that JM likes to pull out only partial parts of testing, etc to suit what he wants the Jury to believe.

  443. It would be hard for me to give this woman’s word any value given what little experience she has (She has had few patients and from what i understand most have been people in a mental hospital and children ) comparison to Dr.Samuels is inappropriate and her field of study should not allow her to testify to ALV’s testimony.

  446. Quick story: Years ago (2006) I had an interesting conversation with someone whose girlfriend was going into the field of psychology.

    We ended up concluding that this generation’s crop of psychology majors studied psychology because of their own issues and need to control/dominate others with their expertise.

    I remember watching an episode of Hoarders where an older woman made that observation about the younger ‘degreed’ expert sent in to help her with her home. That she intimidated other people with her educational status.

    Janeen reminds me a lot of those observations I’ve made over the past several years.

    IMO the compassionate approach Dr Samuels and Alyce LaViolette take is more valuable.

    • I agree MB. I’m an old time Social Worker and can attest to that regarding both Social Workers and Psychologists. It’s a new breed out there today. I can also attest to the fact that many clients don’t like working with the newbies and are greatly relieved when they start working with a more experienced person.

      • Yes there has been a generational shift and it’s not a good one.

        Disappointing because the newer generation is supposed to learn from the work of the previous one. Not dismiss it like Janeen has with Dr Samuels and Alyce LaViolette.

    • Absolutely agree! This woman will not do well other than in an admin role. She has no people skills, I can tell you that already. And she is narcissistic. It takes a lot of guts to get up there and say the things she is saying which are soooo wrong.

      • Yes, an admin role or as a professor teaching something more scientific.

        There are places for people who can’t muster empathy or compassion. I just don’t think psychology is one of them.

  447. FUCK THAT BITCH!!!!!

    Now she’s………….Bi-polar and……………………. Borderline?????????????????????

    I can’t wait for JW to make MINCEMEAT OF HER!!!!

  451. Going from boyfriend to boyfriend is kind of what WE ALL did in our teens and 20’s!

    • But she didn’t! She had two prior long-term meaningful relationships before meeting, TA.

  453. I wish this witness would stop bearing her teeth, hopefully it annoys the jurors too.

  454. I can definitely see why Jodi does not look at her. She’s not worthy.

    Can you say scripted testimony?

    • Scripted, yes. Rotten self-righteous pompous ass. It probably would apply to her also, by taking any detail of her life out of context. No wonder there are so many diagnoses out there on basically normal people.
      Poor Jodi, trashed again.

  456. Sounds like Travis also had borderline personalty disorder. Some of those criteria apply to him.

  457. Well, I’m jumping off the *be nice* bandwagon and I’m planning to contact Ms D and let her know my opinion of her. She could use a friendly critique and maybe get some help how her mouth gets contorted into some very unattractive looks as she speaks.

    She could use a trip to a hairdresser too. Very unprofessional and unpolished look for someone who wants to be taken seriously. At least do something with that piece of *bang* that needs help.

    She’s got a PHD and it’s time to drop the *college girl hire me* look

  460. It sounds like she is describing me as she is describing about acting differently with each different boyfriends…

    The first time I married…both of us lived in a Corporate world with all the glamour…dinner parties…business suits and dressy clothes…and had the stress that goes with it….and yada…yada…

    The second time I married….more of a down to earth relationship…I wore jeans, boots, and had fun with clothes…I acted and talked differently…and looked more relaxed…and yada…yada…

    Even though I felt and acted different in both marriages….I am still me…

    I feel that everyone can relate to feeling like a chameleon in the many facets of their relationships that they have had in their lifetimes…

    And at the end of the day….you are just you…the same person that you still recognize when you look into the mirror…

    • I forgot to say that this was in reference to the witness talking about the many boyfriends that Jodi had and they talked about how she dyed her hair, the car, and all the other yada….yada…

      Jodi did the same thing the majority of any other women would do in a relationship…we tend to fit the mold of that relationship….

      THIS EXPERT NEEDS TO READ THIS BOOK… .Men Are from Mars, Women Are from Venus: The Classic Guide to Understanding the Opposite Sex…

      Dr. John Gray provides a practical and proven way for men and women to improve their communication by acknowledging the differences between their needs, desires, and behaviors. No other relationship guide on the market will give you the same level of evidence-based insight sure to help you strengthen and nurture your relationships for years to come…

    • 99.9% of young girls in their teens and 20s experiment with changing hair colors often. I don’t see this as evidence of someone being a “chameleon”… unless it’s true of those 99.9% of other young girls too

  461. She is bending her lips in a sneer to the left when she speaks. My criteria for a hypocrite.

  462. Can somebody, please give me the link to where i can watch the trial without going to HLN. I am close to shooting at my TV, HLN and all the clowns working there make me sick with their comments. Now they are praising this witness like she is god. As usual “very good day for the prosecution”. I remember them saying that during CA’s trial and we all know what the outcome of that was.

  464. This women is full of shit! I have lost time after an accident (no head injury) none of it came back!

    • I have lost time after a trauma, too, 25+ years ago, nothing came back since it was never “saved” by the brain, i.e. as described by Dr Samuels

      Is she saying that doesn’t really happen??

    • Well, it could also play well into Jodi’s defense. If Travis body slammed her and she hit her head on the tile, then she could have had a head injury.

  466. where is she getting some of her info from as far as what JA said i have never heard some of this before?

    • Yes, because this is testimony the juror wants and will like. They will overlook her experience and bias. She reminds me of my daughter’s college roommate. A maladjusted nerdy girl.

  469. The problem is that this woman is too young and therefore sees everything in black and white. She will change with life experience. I would never agree to testify in a murder trial with little experience and anything less than ten years at least is little experience.

    • I agree with you after the kind of years and experience that Dr S and AL (whose experience IMO is outstanding) have, this lady is still a kid.

  470. So let me get this straight.

    Jodi is smart enough to outsmart a psyche test administered by Dr Samuels.

    But she is not smart enough to outsmart a psyche test administered by Janeen.

    Well then. Let it never be said that the pro-pros are consistent in their claims against Jodi.

    • And she’s smart enough to premeditate murder but not smart enough to premeditate what to say/or not to talk if she got caught – right, YES or NO?

  472. Jodi is completely check out, survival mode! I’m no doctor but I can recognize that behavior. I’ve done it myself!!!

  475. I really wish people would get off Dr Samuel’s case.

    Hasn’t enough damage been done to him by the Travis Taliban?

    Quit harping on him. He’s ten times the psychologist baby doc will ever be.

    • Cheers to that………………… I think this is the one day of the trial that I am so pissed off ………biased bitch……….. !!!

    • And ALV too! Really, how can anyone compare this girls education with ALV life experience and all those people (not only women), that ALV gas evaluated, all the things shes seened, everything! !! To compare it to this (idk what to call her) ROOKIE, is out of this world, unbelievable! !!

  476. JM can’t get her to say what he wants so its a good time for a break and he can tell her what hewants her to say IMO

  479. Thank you Sam and Nancy I agree with you that she sounds like somebody the jury will like. I hope she gets fried on cross examination.

  481. I was just reading on her web site that she charges over a hundred dollars per hour, with NO sliding scale.

    She takes insurance though. How generous, considering so many can’t afford it OR a hundred dollars per hour.

  482. Oh here we go…DV experience: 1 year in a lab, 2004-2008 several patiences, out patient clinic-short time-prevention&training service, prison group therapy, AZ state hospital, Bayler (sp?), personal business

  484. Damn, I was just about to leave the house and now the cross examination starts, this is going to be really interesting. The witness isn’t going to come across well under pressure, you can see it already.

  486. Sorry pro-pros, but no amount of pompoming this “expert” witness is going to matter worth a hill of beans to me.

    And probably not for a lot of other posters either.

  487. Okay, licensed psychologist back. There is no research basis for anything this psychologist is saying. about memory loss resulting from trauma. The research on trauma-induced amnesia is extremely sparse. There are no absolutes like this. I hope they have another expert to refute the things she is saying. Anyone can look this info up on Pyschinfo and see that no research like this has been conducted.

  488. It’s nice to have this forum. The HLN and In Session Facebook sites are hostile and creepy

  489. I worked with the physically and mentally challenged for several years and some of the had been abused by family, etc.,. And I found that being compassionate towards them worked far better than being like an unfeeling automaton–who only sees things by the book. In doing the former I was able to help them moreso than the idiot plant manager who was my boss. Anyway, if Janeen thinks that 44hrs is too long to try to evaluate a person—then she is what I’d consider as being book smart with no common sense whatsoever. GO TEAM JODI!!!!!

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