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Jodi Arias Trial – Day 46

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The events following the body bag picture post yesterday were interesting to say the least. In addition to attracting a load more new visitors & posters, we also managed to oust a few people that maybe weren’t that pro-Jodi after all, and were only here for the free coffee & biscuits. Well, good riddance to those fair-weather fucks. We’re here on a mission, and we have no room for fence-sitting passengers or assholes. Thanks for all your supportive messages which I couldn’t reply to individually. TEAM JODI FOREVER!

Today’s first ever TGIF trial day is scheduled to run from 9.30 am to noon/1 pm, depending on which way the wind is blowing :mrgreen:

Leave your comments below on trial day 46, as Alyce LaViolette continues answering the jurors questions.

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  1. gee it looks like I’m the first on this page – never thought it would be me.

    • Congratulations, Tonya, on being #1.
      I’m not sure if people here are up early or up late. It’s only 1am here but I’m going to bed. Hoping for a good day for Jodi later today.

      • thanks coldcase53 was just about to say a prayer that ashley sent and add in jodi

    • Sadly this morning on Good Morning America… there wasnt very good news about the jury questions for AL… I havent watched them yet… have them recorded so I can fly thru commentators junk.. But it seems like there are some real skeptics in the bunch… Why did you look at Jodie so often and give her small grins…. well, could it be cuz she is fighting for her life, and the woman feels for her ???

      • I think that it is quite ridiculous that the juries were not sequestered to begin with. This case is such a high profile case that I think that the jury members are biased towards Jodi. The fact that they claim that they do not hear, watch, discuss, about the case is unbelievable. I say judge should call an acquittal and if need be have this trial else where… though now I think about it, I don’t know if there is anywhere that this case hasn’t been broadcasted…. If so, then just let Jodi Arias go, because the bottom line is she is NOT getting a fair trial!!!!!!! And that is now what the United States is about!

        • Just a thought – may be OT…. I know nothing about the CA trial that took place in Florida EXCEPT from bits and pieces I have gathered via reading about comparisons of that case to this one, mostly that I have seen posted by the mob. I get distinct impression that mob’s blood is boiling that CA’s jury acquitted her and cannot help but wonder if some of jurors in this case may even be FEARFUL of consequences for their own safety, and are asking these idiotic questions to somehow “appease” mob from stalking and harassing them, like this mob might do if these jurors were to ask intelligent or less biased juror questions….
          NOT saying this is a valid excuse for them to come up with this questions by any means, just concerned. Please tell me it isn’t likely. 😕

        • The defense requested last week that the jury be sequestered at least for the “rest” of the trial..and she said no.. I just cannot believe in all this time… no one has seen or heard anything.. I just cant believe it.

        • i think they should of been sequestered my self you cant tell me them jurys dont know what the media is doing i believe jodi on the domestic violwnce i was a victim of it my self the law doesnt in force restraining orders so why call the police no i never called police i was afraid then later the guy was arrested on murder charges i was able to get away so the law doesnt protect a woman or man from this kind of violence i watch the trial every day seems like the judge would do something about martinez anger the media has her guilty im sure the jury sees that to martinez should of been thrown off the case .this domestic violence woman knows what she is doing but what is martinez putting in every persons head that is a victim when he trys to run this woman down.for jodi hang in there i was an abuse victim too.

        • I live in Saskatchewan, Canada. I have followed the trial online faithfully. Many people I know have as well. This case should definitely had a sequestered jury! I was shocked to find out they were not. Absolutely ridiculous, and anyone who believes that the jurors are not checking out all the bullshit that continues on HLN each evening is a shithead. Shithead number one being the moron Judge residing over the case. This case is overtaking the media and most of the coverage is negative. HLN in particular with the redundant opinions of NG as well as the rest, BORING! Her POV is always the same in any case, bla, bla, bla, what ever Nancy shut the fuck up and get some new material.

      • Or,perhaps, it’s difficult for a human being,WITH A HEART (or brain for that matter), to label any other as a monster BEFORE they are PROVEN guilty. I’m still expecting good things for JA simply because I can. 🙂

    • WOAH, wait a minute, hold the phone! Was it mentioned in court at all that she apologized to Jodi upon meeting her????????????. Maybe I just missed it and if I did then I’m sorry for this BUT, I never heard it. I could have been cooking. Tell me please.

      • Yes and she only apologized as a courtesy to Jodi for having read her most personal and private journal. This is a courtesy I would believe any human with any manners and respect for others would extend to anyone. Martinez is a dick who tried to make it something more than that when really all he managed to do was inflict more pain on us as viewers with his court clown antics. Watching him go on and on with the pacing and yelling is so juvenile. I think this creep watched too many court room dramas when he was younger and thinks this approach is “rogue”. He is just a small man with
        with big ego.

        • cj,
          Is your question about Alyce apologizing to Jodi.
          Jodie above you answered it in a nutshell.

          But if you want to long version, go to the day of cross examination.
          juan was on it practically the whole time, there was no way that you could have missed it, if you are watching the trial.

    • re: Dr. Hiatt’s statement –> wow, every sunday? near his four young daughters? i’m noticing a few patterns emerging from the people who seem simply incapable of facing the truth about travis’ behavior and actions against jodi and against women in general. first, they are claiming he was a motivational speaker. in fact he worked for a company which required him to bring in new members and convince them they can get rich quick in order for him to make a dime off of them. pyramid scheme? i don’t know, but it sounds like it to me. next, they fail to see that travis’ involvement in the church provided great leads for his ‘business’. vulnerable people hoping to gain a sense of belonging. next, they try to present him as a ‘successful’ business person. typically, do successful business people take in multiple roommates in order to pay the mortgage? do they borrow big money from their girlfriends? nope. next, they are bringing out people who call themselves doctor while at the same time discrediting dr. samuels and AL who both clearly have the credentials to support their testimony that Travis was abusing jodi. next, the ‘friends’ refuse to believe his bad boy behaviors across the board, refuse, even when there is evidence to show his rage and pedophilia. (there is no way it’s normal for him to be masturbating to the image of a 12 year old girl) next, they sure claim to be spending a lot of time with him. every sunday? wow, how did travis have time to spend so much time with jodi on the sly, to be talking with so many women, dating so many women, traveling with jodi on all of their vacations, etc. plus all of his “business meetings”, and spending so much time sending emails to women, for that to be true? and if so many people were so close to travis, then why did his absence go unnoticed for so long? i’ll tell you why. because dr. samuels and Alyce Laviolette are both correct in their expert testimony that travis was abusing jodi. abusers work hard to cultivate their public persona. abusers become chameleons and change their colors depending on who they are speaking to. from the evidence it appears that travis was a con man, he conned jodi to believe his spiritual teachings that anal and oral sex was permitted. he conned his ‘friends’ that he was a virgin. he conned his prey that if they signed up under him and paid the fees to ‘work’ with him then they could become ‘successful’ too. tragically, he also conned himself to believe that he could lie to his friends about jodi, that he could abuse her spiritually, emotionally, sexually, mentally, and yes, physically, and that she would never defend herself against his rage filled attacks. travis did not deserve to die. and jodi does not deserve to die, either.

  3. HLN defers to Drew Pinksy as if he’s an “expert” on matters dealing with psychology, psychotherapy, etc., yet his credentials listed on Wikipedia say he’s a plastic surgeon and an MD who appeared on Wheel of Fortune in the 80s. He is not a lawyer, not a psychotherapist, nor a psychologist. And his track record of helping people with psychiatric problems is very bad, with at least 6 committing suicide. I read where he is under investigation by the AMA, or other organizations for practicing psychotherapy/psychology without a license?

    • I hope he loses his medical license. Doctors vow to “First, Do No Harm.” Harm is the first and only thing Pimpsky does. And, he enjoys doing it.

      • Last week or so Dr. Drew was talking about child abuse on the air and had at least one guest speaking with him. Pinsky kept saying “we” and referred to a lot of terminology having to do with abused children, holding himself out to be quite conversant, even expert on the topic. If one didn’t know better, one would assume from his rhetoric that he had spent his entire career working in that area. He did not put out a verbal disclaimer or explanation stating that he does or does not have expertise, license-specific education or special training in child abuse issues. This doctor is getting sloppier by the day in his “expert” assertions – assertions he makes without stating that they are simply his opinions and should not be taken as fact simply by virtue of his having an M.D. license. Dr. Pinsky uses HLN to constantly blow and blow hard. He and HLN should be held accountable for his “representations” when they are so out of proportion to his expertise that they do not serve the public interest for the following reasons:

        1) Dr. Drew’s opinion on many topics regarding the Jodi Arias trial could easily be dismantled or disregarded – but he opines from a murky landscape nowadays since he has now come to inhabit an insular world on HLN that apparently does not require that he make any clear on-air distinctions about his training. 2) He misrepresents testimony and evidence (often by omission as do N.G. and J.V.M.) as it emerges daily from the courtroom trial of Jodi Arias. 3) He and his gang of trial watchers present an under-informed and under-informing “group think” that is destructive to the process of critical thinking, a process one expects and has a right to engage in when listening to a “doctor’s” opinion.

        To summarize: HLN is giving Dr. Drew and others with professional credentials a forum for patently unprofessional conduct, conduct that would be impossible if the individuals in question informed the public in an accurate manner about what is actually taking place in the J.A. courtroom. We, the public, have a right to complain to the FCC about abuse of the public airwaves when the professional credentials of broadcasters are stretched to an inane extent such that those credentials play a crucial and undeniable role in manipulating, with prejudice, public opinion. Whether or not the “public interest” is being served by broadcasters is tested (among other things) when the FCC grants and renews licenses.

    • I used to really like his celebrity rehab… if its on again.. I will not watch it… I cannot stand him anymore..he and Nancy Grace … omg.. what a pair..

    • lol Lezlie, a Plastic surgen and MD who was on Wheel????? No wonder some of his “patients” OD’d! What a joke!!!

    • I was hoping Cindy McCready’s family was going to bring a civil lawsuit against that piece of garbage Dr. doom, I hope they eventually do. He’s the reason she never was able to get and stay sober. airing her having a withdrawal seizure, she was so humiliated and embarrassed she gave up. The backlash against him and his show should of been enough to make him a pariah, but of course he’s perfect for hln!!!

  4. Ashley says:
    April 12, 2013 at 3:32 am
    Oh, and the prayer is:

    “Now I lay me, down to sleep. I pray the Lord my soul to keep. Guard me, Jesus, through the night, and wake me with the morning light. If I should die before I wake, I pray the Lord my soul to take. God bless mommies and daddies, brothers and sisters, aunts and uncles, grandmas and grandpas, and everyone in the whole wide world. Goodnight, Baby Jesus. I love you very much! Amen!”

    At least, that’s what I’ve been saying since I was 2…

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    • thank you just read it and added JODI good night too you all see you tomorrow my cat is saying come to bed goodnite

    • welcome… I am relatively new too… Found this site quite by accident after being sick and tired of reading Beth Karas facebook page full to the top with Jodi haters… They get very very nasty.. and I couldnt help myself making comments back.. and I think several blocked me as a result.. to bad so sad.. then I found this site… its great..

      • yes welcome all new commers to this site … I too found this site informing and refreshing and no hate and glad it here otherwise all you have is hate anywhere else and if the jury is watching tv and using the internet they can come here for another opinion on what is really going on best of all you can see the FLORES REPORT and details that worried me and this team did a breakdown to let you see what i was see in the report said to think he jumped so quick to arrest her for murder 1 and ask for the DP

        • WildAboutTrial @WildAboutTrial

          Nurmi is here with his light brown suit and oragny salmony tie. Willmott in gray. Counsel and #JodiArias headed back to chambers.

    • Hi DR!
      I hope we all behave ourselves today, we often get silly 😯 , 😳 🙄 we sometimes are saddened by events 😥 and we may become quite angry at times 👿 but we welcome your input :mrgreen: with open arms
      😆

  6. I just got finished watching the tapes from today. Did anyone who is up notice that thing about ms laviolette saying Matt mccartney said that he never knew if jodi was abused physically but he suspected it? This has me a little worried because jodi said in testimony that Matt confronted her about bruises on neck. Didn’t Alyce violette get told about what jodi has said? Is this why they are not having him testify? It was said pretty quickly but if martinez caught that. Does anyone know the deal with this? I thought he absolutely saw marks because her makeup wore off.? Why would ms laviolette say something else?

    • To my knowledge I thought she testified yesterday that Matt was aware of the abuse and cruel things he said to Jodi. So much as been said in this trial it’s hard to keep it all straight. Each one of these jurors who are keeping notes will be able to write their own verision of this trial.

      Did you also notice Alyce was asked about Jodi’s abuse to her mother and anger issues? Why didn’t Alyce state this was because Jodi’s mother was not protecting her from her abusive father… Unless this is a fabrication.

      If we would just stick to the facts, and evidence we wouldn’t be in this three ring Juan circus.

      • Juan yells and rants so much that some of the questions the jury asked are remnants of Juan’s “indications.”

      • My issue is I don’t remember this topic being part of anyone’s testimony. I think the jury got this from watching the news

        • I wondered same Brenda. But they may have asked because they were wondering why Matt has not testified so far. They knew he had been in contact with Jodi while she was with Travis and knew Jodi and Matt were close . I dont think the question was bad at all, I think they just wanted to hear it confirmed by Alyce. The problem came in when Alyce said “Matt stated that he knew there was VERBAL abuse and suspected physical abuse, but he did not know for sure”. BUT the great news is Martinass did not even question this so I take that as he knows there was nowhere to go with it and Jodi had it right, Alyce had it wrong. So I am happy.

    • I do remember that comments Jodie made about bruises and Matt seeing them.. Al did mention that her mother didnt protect her from her father..
      Does anyone know if JM has the right to call Matt to the stand for rebuttal..? I believe I heard several months ago..(whew) he might be called..

    • He posted on a face book saying he did not want to get involved he did not want the same thing that happened in the casy anthony case to happen to him he changed his mind about the time of ashley thompson reeds death you can find out about this to the right of this page and more in the flores report I have lots of question conserning this

      • Death Penalty Cases dont work like that. A witness who has evidence like seeing bruises on Jodi’s neck could NOT just decide to not get involved. I wonder if the defense thinks his testimony would be a wash because of what could happen during the state’s cross examination? I do believe that he saw bruises but I also believe that he could have tried to do something for Jodi earlier on that was not quite above board. This is the only reason the defense would not have called him imo. He is the ONLY witness to the bruises! But I think its strange what Ms LaViolette said in regards to Matt “not knowing for sure whether there was physical abuse”. It makes me worried it could lead to the issue with the coded messages. Unless she just got confused because I saw Ms. LaViolette get a bit weary at times (although I thought she was generally awesome) yesterday. There was a question asked that Ms. L let go by that there was a very good answer that she could have answered in support of Jodi-and she did not.

  7. Did I hear something amount Alexander’s letters coming into evidence after all?

    I cannot find it, can someone remind me about this please.

    • Geebee, I don’t recall that being said…. I do know that Alyce did say she read Jodis and TA journals.

    • GeeBee

      I think I found what your talking about:

      The first letter , dates Nov 27,2006 , Alexander ask Arias to wear ” boy briefs” that he can ” rip off”. He also asks her to wear one of his shirts with his engraved cuff links so he can see his initials while shes performs oral sex on him….

      The second letter was dates March 2,2008, just three months before Alexander’s murder. In it,he admits that he once ” hit the face” . He also claims that marrying her would help ease his ” deviant ” thoughts.

        • Those letters have never come to light. Apparently, the National Enquirer *did* buy them, so at some point, they may decide to publish them. They did not publish them during the trial because they were worried about the “legal ramifications” (or so some guy said on Nancy DisGrace). It’s amazing that JM was able to leak all the stuff he did, but they couldn’t publish the letters which might well have been Jodi’s saving grace. Disgusting!

    • this was discussed the day chris and sky hughes testomany video day 10 and I think it was denied to come in because it was an electronic copy that was sent to jodi in jail the origional has never been found unless the hughes had it all that time… Or did Ashley Thompson Send it jodi does not know who sent it to her or that is what I have read or seen somewhere it hard to keep up with it all

  10. It amazes me that people are so ignorant. There is a petition for twitter to remove Jodi’s twitter account. Now, I don’t think it’s a good idea for” Jodi” to tweet but I understand some of her tweets ref her art work. Don’t these stupid, stupid people know (BTW 35,000 strong; there are 300 million people in US and 7 billion in the world so 35,000 villages are missing idiots to Facebook but that number is really not that high-scratching my head) not know that allegedly terrorist organizations have twitter and these organizations tweet? Twitter hasn’t closed their accounts and Jodi hasn’t been convicted of a crime. Sometimes it’s better to stay quiet, but at this point I understand she needs to make money for her family and her expenses. Do I agree with things. No not all the time but she has the right to exercise tweeting as long as she’s not breaking any rules from jail.

    • It’s my understanding she doesn’t have the orignial copies of the letters therefore they cannot be used. Unless this is why they are bring this next expert to the stand for the defense.

            • If that’s true, then he’s a disgrace for not producing them.

              But I thought Nurmi sent them to Sky? Remember in the hearing with Chris, Nurmi mentioned that Sky responded and said something along the lines of she knew it was bad, but not that bad, and asked about Travis’s age of preference. Chris didn’t deny she said that either. So, they both must have had *some* inkling about all this beforehand. Of course, they then spread the rumour that those letters were forged by Jodi, which was never found by the court. The haters are all 100% convinced that’s true and that’s part and parcel of their hatred for Jodi.

        • i made that distinction about chris and sky having it when I read the tarot card and if yes when did they get the letter who gave it to them is the question in is testomay he shook when asked about the letter that the defence team sent them a copy of the letter its up to the defence to find out more about this matter we can only wait and find out in the trail

      • Saw on tv awhile ago that a handwriting expert deemed them forgeries. They actually compared to Jodi’s handwriting and accused her of writing them. Biased much?

        • Actually they used JA’s handwriting to compare to her journals. The handwriting expert concluded that it was TA’s handwriting on the letters, but since they only had photocopies and not the orginals, they can be kept out of the trial. The rumor that they are forgeries came from Chris Hughes and yes he is very biased.

          • No they did not make any conclusions on handwriting, since copies are not allowed HLN ofcourse called them forgeries that is not true but they could not verify if the Letters were written by Travis.

        • That’s a nasty rumour perpetrated by the Hughes and furthered by every idiot on HLN. The experts actually authenticated the writing in Jodi’s journals against other known handwriting samples. But you’ll find every hater idiot claiming that was not the case. It makes me ill. If you’d like to see what was actually authenticated as being Jodi’s handwriting, the document in question is here: http://www.docstoc.com/docs/109828551/Jodi-Arias-Court-Documents on page 22 and 23.

          When that bogus story doesn’t work (because even among the haters, there are a few intelligent honest folks who, although they hate Jodi, realize the story about them being pronounced forgeries is not supported in those documents), then, they claim Jodi stole Travis’s journal, scanned it in, and then used Photoshop to extract words from that to create the letters. (No, I’m not kidding, unfortunately.)

          I’m damn proficient in Photoshop and I don’t even think I could do that and have them match perfectly. And I can do a LOT in Photoshop. I can make people look years younger and a lot thinner and give bald men hair — all that authentically. But matching handwriting? Well, that’s a very difficult project if you’re working word by word with handwriting. I’ve done it using a few words here and there from the same page, but to create 10 letters? Yikes! Not to mention, it would be one hell of a project to even attempt and would take months, if not years. But that doesn’t matter to the haters. When it’s pointed out to them that Jodi was in jail and didn’t have that kind of computer access, they then decide either (a) she did it in between the time she killed Travis and was arrested; (b) she started the project over a year before she killed Travis (because let’s face it, she had been planning to kill him since kindergarden); or (c) Matt did it and they’re sure he’s an expert in Photoshop.

          Oh and by the way, in case you didn’t know, she was apparently planning to kill Matt too, and probably Daryl as well, while she was at it. And since she was “fond” of saying her father didn’t have long to live, she was obviously planning to kill him too. I mean, why not? Heck, maybe she was going to kill the entire world. Except that doesn’t make a lot of sense either because then what would she have done to indulge her wild whorish sexual fantasies with all the multiple men she loved to get kinky with and control? But you know, somehow this all makes sense to the haters. They don’t need to use their own brain cells, after all.

      • They do not believe Travis wrote them that she had a friend write them some think Matt, The Court cannot allow XEROX copies, I find it hard to believe that Travis wrote Letters since computers email etc. Makes no sense. You must have originals.

        • I’ve been using word processors/computers since 1981, been online since 1992, and my handwriting is atrocious. It always has been. The nuns in the boarding school I went to said even then, it looked like a spider fell in ink and ran across a page. And that was back in the late 70s/early 80s. Generally, I type just about everything I can because no one would be able to read my scrawl now at all.

          But still, I occasionally try to craft a handwritten letter or note because it’s so much more personal. I do believe Travis may have written her letters. Also, there’s no trace of them on a computer, so they’re easier to deny — something he might well have liked. For some reason, I suspect that guy, with his dozens of suits and shoes and ultra-neat closet, probably had really nice handwriting.

        • if he did receive them from some on in may 2008 and it describes travis wanting little boys and they have little boys you can take your emagination from there

        • Jodi, apparently, said they had been destroyed. She destroyed a lot of things she received from Travis after he died so as to preserve his memory. She testified to that on the stand. But then, the question is: where did the photocopies come from? Perhaps she kept them and gave them to someone for safekeeping. Or perhaps someone found them and copied them. Far fetched I know. But possible?

      • Are you kidding.

        Remember I run the breakfast chow line, and then drive the school bus, and then go to work. Sort of reminds me of that old Dunkin’ Donuts commercial “Got to make the donuts”.

    • I think it’s Lonnie, the electronic expert. He never finished testifying the day he was on the stand.

        • The way I remember it…JM kept fighting with JW about something she wanted to get into but JM said unless Jodi took the stand to give testimony.. Next thing we see is Jodi on the stand.

  14. Has anyone actually seen the defense witness list. It has to have been filed, so someone probably has a copy.

    How about SJ and other admins, have you guys seen the list?

  15. I have a comment on the latest Daily Mail article showing, which is a first.

    Just a comment saying she is innocent until proven guilty.

    Will probably get down-voted, I;m not going to argue with them, just state what I think.

    • I wish Amanda all the best. I have a sister who shares her name and looks a bit like her, so I always had a soft spot for her. I completely believe that she and Raffaele are innocent.

      • Here is a groundreport article I did on Amanda’s case.

        http://www.groundreport.com/US/Interpreting-the-knife-blade-DNA-results-in-the-tr/2949706

        It’s original research I worked out. May even help her in her third trial in Italy, the pro-guilt people now tend to concede the the DNA evidence was lab. contamination.

        I’m hoping to bring some people on board for Jodi when Amanda’s book comes out.

        There are clear parallels between the cases : Amanda was said to be a liar, she was crucified in the press ( including the Daily Mail ).

        It’s a big opportunity.

        • Thanks for the link!

          I don’t think that we’ll extradite Amanda back to Italy for this trial. I worry about Raffaele though as he’s still in Italy.

          Public opinion in the US largely turned to Amanda’s favor before she was released, which is good for her. She can live a normal life here. I think that because the victim was from the UK, their press has been very tough on Amanda/Raffaele. Hopefully more people over there are coming around.

          • Well as you can see, in the UK support for Amanda is now very strong.

            You are right, I think Amanda is just fine, that’s why I’m working hard on this case and not Amanda’s.

            What I would just love is for Amanda to come right out on her book launch and say Jodi’s case needs looking at.

            That’s probably asking too much, but I think it’s worth trying to link the two cases, that’s what I’m going to be doing.

            I;m planning a comparison of the two cases to be published on groundreport on the eve of Amanda’s book lauch. That will put it in the news at the right moment.

  17. I’m really surprised AV didn’t read Jodi’s journals that she wrote before dating TA. That was asked in a juror question and I really think that will hurt. I also think when she is asked about interviewing other people she just says ‘no she didn’t”. She needs to make sure she says “I didn’t need to because I read their interviews and statements”. It just makes it look like she is just taking Jodi’s word for everything.

    • I suppose AL didnt read all of those too, becuz it sounds like she had thousands of pieces of evidence to read… you just cant keep all of that in your head.. as we have seen when she forget a couple minor details that have absolutely nothing to do with domestic violence, but have been blown way out of proportion..

        • You wouldn’t object to a friendly witness’ statement. In the scheme of things I don’t think that Alyce using murder a few times will make a bit of difference…I think she has done a really remarkable job considering the attack she has been under…

          • I think ALV did a good job also Linda and that’s why I think the jury has been looking at comments on the net and/or watching HLN or something..where did the “man hater” line of questioning come from??? (the net probably) and the part about her smiling at JA during test??? (prob NG!!)

    • I agree. I wished she would have read prior entries. What bothers me somewhat is AL not giving in to some degree that the kicking and hitting of her parents during her teen years can be seen as abusive behavior. I’m sorry but I disagree with her there. Abusive behavior is abusive behavior. She could have answered yes and minimized it to some extent by qualifying it that it could be seen as normal teenage behavior and rebelling and that it was an isolated incident. To my knowledge there was just one mention of this type of behavior. This could be explained a number of ways without knowing all of the facts. There were a number of questions about this incident and I fear the jury will hold her or Jodi accountable for this. Hoping for better questions to end up this great Friday!

      • To me it would depend on context. Was she kicking/hitting her parents without being provoked or was she fighting back when they hit/kicked her? If a teen fought back against a parent, I wouldn’t consider that abusive. I’d consider that having enough and standing up for myself.

        • Jodi hit her mother when she was a teenager, but wasn’t the kick after June 4 when she got back to Yreka?? I’d have to watch the testimony again, but I think Juan Martinez brought that fact in to court when Samuels was on the stand. He asked, didn’t Jodi kick her mother for no apparent reason? I thought he was talking about June or July of 2008, but he does have a way of jumbling dates and things up. Or did both incidents happen when she was a teenager?

              • My recollection about that incident, (the kicking her mom) was that it was brought up by JM to Dr Samuels. It was regarding Jodi and her mom, and happened at a restaraunt when her mom came ot help her move back to Yreka. He (JM) kept asking him, “It was for no reason right”?

    • I wish she could of told the jury there are 8000 written stuff and she only got a few of them

    • Scrappy
      You are right very bad preparation for a witness very sloppy especially that she shot him in the closet.
      She said this 4 Times? She didn’t read all material, pictures off computer, too many mistakes. That is the Defense error, and she should not smile at Jodi in Court or any one, That is just court procedure it looks unprofessional.

    • Why would she read them all? She was only there to testify as to domestic violence. I am slightly annoyed that she talked so much about family of origin. That’s very outdated thinking. Recent thinking on domestic violence is that it happens as frequently to women who were abused as children as it does to women who were never abused.

      I get angry about that because it implies that if a person was abused as a child, they are more susceptible to an abusive relationship as an adult. I’ve encountered counselors who still believe that’s important. But in my dealings with abused women, I’ve met as many who came from dysfunctional homes as I have women who came from wonderful supportive loving homes. There’s a stigma to being a domestic violence victim and a stigma to growing up with abuse. The last thing a woman needs is DOUBLE stigma from experiencing both. Also, that points the finger at the victim. If they’d dealt with their childhood issues, they wouldn’t have been susceptible to domestic violence in a relationship as an adult. The last thing a victim needs is MORE blame.

      While I haven’t read Alyce’s book, its title is “It Could Happen To Anyone”. By implying that it occurs MORE frequently in those who were abused as children and therefore, suffer low self esteem, she is driving the women who come from happy loving families into the shadows. And she’s placing more blame on women who *did* come from abusive childhoods. There are varying degrees of abuse and/or dysfunction in EVERY family. Parents don’t have mandatory lessons in parenting prior to giving birth. The stresses of our society continue to increase. Sometimes, even the most well-meaning parents are slightly abusive to their children or dysfunctional in their homes. Sometimes, the abuse is extremely subtle. A father may have an erection while his daughter is wriggling around on his lap. He isn’t sexually attracted to his daughter or a pedophile. He simply has an erection from the stimulation to his penis. A woman may become aroused while riding a train or a bus. She isn’t fantasizing about the guy next to her, she’s just aroused from the motion and is in a certain phase of her ovulation cycle where arousal is more likely. Does that mean either parent should be ashamed? A stressed out loving parent who once in a while yells at their children isn’t an abuser. But a child growing up in one of these environments may have low self esteem. With today’s bullying and cyber-bullying, the job of parenting is even more complex. I’m not even a parent and I know that.

      While there are female abusers for sure, Alyce’s theories about people who were abused as children did nothing to help Jodi. The statistics show that men who come from abusive homes are FAR more likely to abuse in adulthood than women who come from abusive homes are. Women are more likely to become depressed and suicidal. I realize Alyce may have been trying to be fair. But her ability to comprehend recent understanding truly made me feel she is stuck in the 80s.

      Not to mention the fact that most of the recent research points to something entirely different occurring in the development of, particularly men, who become abusive as adults. It has to do with a developmental stage of a child where a mother is not able to be as attentive as the child needs. That may be because the mother is abused, sure. But it may also be because another child is sick, her partner is sick, or her parent(s) is sick. Or, for a multitude of other reasons. Again, Alyce, much as I enjoyed a great deal of her testimony is very very behind the times.

      And she had NO business taking the type of notes she did, which she should have realized would be discoverable evidence by the prosecution — particularly since many of her notes were harmful to Jodi and inaccurate.

      As to reading Jodi’s older journals, that would be ridiculous. Please don’t buy into JM’s nonsense.

    • A lot of courts take Friday off so the judge can do motions without the jury or work on other cases.

    • Good morning Rachel, I believe ALV will remain on the stand. Council will have an opportunity to go over the juror’s questions for clarification.

  20. 😯 Coffee and biscuits???!!!!

    Tsk. I am outraged that I’ve been missing out on the freebies 😛

    Gonna try to catch up on today’s posts so far. Good Morning to all of you ❗

  21. What did you guys think about the juror question regarding the notes in the magazine? Where these for you? Where has this juror been?

    • They are trying to be investigators rather than jurors. I’m not too find of the jury questions. On one hand it helps the lawyers clarify anything the jurors are missing or don’t understand but on another someone or some of the jurors seem to be taking on a prosecutorial tone rather than testing the hypothesis. I believe it’s the prosecution’s hypothesis that has to be PROVEN BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT. Some of the questions Martinez asked were personal attacks. They don’t go towards proving his hypothesis of how this crime occurred. The jury I believe is supposed to judge yes or no was this hypothesis proven? Some of their questions seek clarification and understanding but don’t get to the true heart of the matter. Also, I can see they are confused by so much information, and that the abusive texts, emails and messages are not allowed into evidence for them to review. Basically they have to take Alice’s word for it and with all the white noise that Juan Martinez throws out there it’s difficult to get a picture. I do think he’s afraid of losing this case. He’s objected so much to Alice’s testimony when she’s not even said three words during the juror questions. I think he’s afraid of how much of a picture she can give the jury.

      • FLNANG,

        You’re absolutely right! The jury questions sound like they’re playing investigator and prosecutor rather than juror. That must be why I get the feeling they’re watching HLN.

        • Many jurors seem to ask 2-part questions (Note: this is not a real juror question, just an example)

          The SETUP question: “Do you like Jodi?”
          Alyce gives her answer.
          The “GOT YOU” question: “If no, then why do you keep looking and smiling at her?”

          These questions do not seek information as much as they try to trap the person answering the questions. They are hostile questions.

          • I can’t fathom the amount of hostility and rage that has been directed against Jodi and Alyce LaViolette. There is a petition being conducted on the internet to ban AL from speaking at End Abuse in Long Beach. I can only guess that Matinez has helped fuel this behavior. However, let’s not forget, that you can tell a person’s character by his “enemies” as well as his friends. It seems that AV was a threat to bring such wrath against herself. It might help to write to Paula Cohen at End Abuse in Long Beach. Things are so out of control. It makes me afraid for everyone.

          • OMG. I hadn’t noticed that, I not only think they should be disallowed but also that the culprit responsible for setting the trap be dismissed from witness pool. I suppose they don’t have to identify themselves when they write the questions… 👿

    • The juror didn’t even have it right. It was a Star magazine…not the magazine subscription that Alyce sent Jodi.

      • Yup! Linda! It makes me wonder if they are listening at ALL! And the judge orders them to “Recall the testimony”!! pfft…REALLY? They can’t even get THAT right, even I remembered the magazine and that it had nothing to do with Alyce…! How are they supposed to RECALL IMPORTANT testimony in this trial? This trial is so F*cked up… ➡ (this is the first time I have admitted what everyone else has been so vocal about) I hate to see Jodi go through mistrial/retrial and have to tolerate this all again but I’d rather see that than the injustice of a guilty verdict from these jurors who are EVIDENTLY poisoned by exposure 👿

    • I think because it has never been proven who those messages were intended for. JM does that a lot, says little tidbits without follow throu. He just leaves it hanging, so you get an incomplete picture. Was it even determined that JA wrote those?

    • sarcastic question from one juror for sure..hopefully only one or two were responsible for the majority of the idiotic ones!!

      • agree, the wording of the most sarcastic questions seems to be the same, so I suspect it’s the same person doing it. Very juvenile, and not well thought out many totally irrelevant to this case, ie: how many male abuse victims have you treated….wtf???
        it’s almost definitely a male juror, I suspect he has anger issues, and may be either a victim or perpetrator of abuse.

  22. Buenos Dias everybody! I don’t get to post often (damn job) but I wanted to wish everyone a fantastic Friday , especially SJ for providing this open forum and also jodi and her defense team . Good luck today!

  23. As a native of Arizona, I have to say that I am embarrassed right now. IMO, these jurors asked the most ignorant questions. Several of them seemed to be “against” Jodi.

    I pray that they have not “made up their minds” before deliberations.

    On another note (and along the same vein), I am very frustrated right now. I have tried to act as the “13th juror” and spent a lot of time weighing the evidence of this case (as many of you have).

    I feel like these jurors haven’t done this.

    I’m not sure I can watch this trial anymore. I am having nightmares because when I was stalked and abused, no one believed me. I feel this jury does not believe Jodi was abused and it’s bringing up issues for me.

    I’m not being a “fence sitter” as SJ posted above. It’s just about my own self-preservation. I still believe Jodi acted in self defense and will still support her. But, I just cannot listen any more to “facts” and see a jury disregard all of them.

    • It is hard, isnt it Nicole?

      I too, am having nightmares, palpitations, and the like.

      I am going to see it through, but never again will I watch a trial.

      It is disgusting what is happening, and it makes me embarrassed of the human race. 😳

      • glad I’m not the only one, Renee!

        And, if this trial doesn’t convince everyone to stay on the “straight and narrow,” I don’t know what will. IMHO, there is no “justice” system anymore and “justice” is not blind since the Internet came along.

    • I’m so sorry this is bringin back painful memories for you.. 🙁 I cannot fathom being In either your position and most certainly not Jodi’s. The questions seem out of wack, in terms of what this whole trial is about, and I feel like the fault is in the prior questioning and the responses that followed.. It does seem that the jury is forgetting what their job actually is.

      • im 63 and could write a book about all the abuse i went thru and the rape of a serial rapes in arl tex i did like jodi forgot some and the other stuff i read the book L Ron Hubbard that explains what to do with bad memories you put them in a file like a computer and store them and only bring them back to look at it and then store them again that is how I have it made my life a little easier but it still did not help for i managed to connect to bad men and marry them only to discover their true nature so now i happy with my cats and bird and do go lookin anymore for that one true love

    • Just remember it is probably not ALL the jurors.

      They could be split 50-50, and the trial has a long way to go.

      Reason WILL win out in the end.

      • Also who knows how many questions were asked by which juror. So all of those insidious questions could be coming from the same yahoo.

        • Some of the questions could have come from juror 5 too. I’m pretty sure Alyce L. was on the stand for a few days before juror 5 got the boot.

          • Wouldn’t they have removed those questions, assuming the juror identifies themselves on the question sheet?

            • My understanding is that the questions are submitted anonymously so they would not have known if the questions came from Juror 5 or not.

        • Al you have good insight and know what you are talking about never leave us for we need you

    • I don’t think they disregard it. They are in a difficult position because they are provided only so much evidence of Travis’s abuse. Alice’s testimony is the only “text, email, journal, other relationship” evidence they are being provided because the prosecution didnt want to allow the defense to present all the digital media they had PROVING Travis was abusive and that he was the one pursuing Jodi and not the other way around. Add to that Juan Martinez’s line of questions that he wants yes or no answers that presents a confusing mix for anyone. It’s his hypothesis she premeditated this crime and killed him. He throws all that BS out there to confuse the jury. I got to give him some credit because its working to some extent, but I see some jurors asking some legitimate questions to seek clarification. So far I’m not a fan of the jury question system but I can see benefits to it for the defense team.

      • FLNANG, I always enjoy your posts. I find that I may be so emotionally reactive to the jurors questions that I forget to try to put myself inside their shoes….
        How does that one adage go (?)… “if you cannot dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit?” THAT, I think, is Juan Martinez’ entire MO. It really IS all that he has GOT. And it appears to be working for him, to an extent…. he puts on this big show for them and tries to make it look like LaViolette is the one twisting things, and then cuts her off and won’t let her finish her answer, so, naturally, the jury wants to KNOW what was the answer that was cut off that they missed, and so maybe that is why their questions sound so biased, because they are asking the same original question that JM posed in the first place??? But that one asking about why she was smiling at Jodi was a very disturbing question, IMO. OTOH, I guess if a juror IS actually wondering about something they perceive (or, mis-perceive) it is probably better that the question gets asked so DT can provide an answer than if the misperception remains inside the juror potentially biasing the juror.

        • I agree that it’s better that the jurors ask the questions so that Alyce L. can address whatever it is AGAIN. What bothers me the most about the jury questions we heard yesterday is that at least a few of the jurors seem to be 100% convinced that Jodi is a liar and they don’t believe one word of what she says.

          Last week there was talk that the last witness the defense is bringing to the stand will be someone who gives lie detector tests. I have no idea if that’s correct, but I hope it is. It certainly couldn’t hurt the defense’s case if they could show that Jodi passed a lie detector test.

        • lets not forget JM last question to Dr Samuels are you in love with jodi and that is why you testified for her ect

        • Sable I hear what you are saying, but on the other hand, even if Alyce did smile at Jodi, so what? I would want a smile from soneone too. Why would someone begrudge a smile? This is another example of the inhumanity all around this trial. Where is just an ounce of compassion? These jurors, imo, have a duty to determine if this is premed or whatever else they to look at regarding what led up to TA’s death … not if someone gives a kindness to Jodi. Maybe Alyce did smile at her, but I doubt it was often. She clearly is not there to socialize and to me, she exudes a professionalism.

          • I’m sorry Natalie, but smiling at Jodi while on the stand is downright inappropriate. She can smile at Jodi any time she wants. But NOT while she’s testifying as an expert witness. Many complain about the expressions on the Alexanders’ faces, but find Alyce smiling at Jodi acceptable? I’m sorry, but it’s the same thing. The jury is WATCHING closely. They don’t miss a trick. It’s all about how the jury feels and what the jury believes. If Alyce didn’t know this, she shouldn’t have become an expert witness.

    • No worries, Nicole. I’m not watching every minute of the trial anymore either; it is draining. I’m avoiding Kermit altogether.

    • I think those questions are proof they have been watching media “reports” as in watching HLN.

      Jodi Arias had better get some of the best appellate lawyers in the country if she is convicted in order to have any murder one conviction thrown out.

      These jurors, at least the ones asking questions, haven’t been paying one bit of attention to the fact the prosecution has NOT proven its case and CANNOT prove it.

      • They haven’t been instructed on the law yet. I still have faith in them. I think that the outcome will be a lot like the Doug Grant case.

        • Didn’t Martinez prosecute and overcharge that one, too, joujoubabes?
          You are giving me a little hope here!
          Sure can use some 😐

      • got to give the jury a break they do not know all the facts because JM will not give them the facts and to me that is unfair they should be giving everything nothing should be left out and then let them them make up there minds

      • Some of the questions are accusatory….almost sound like whoever juror or jurors is submitting these particular ones are taking the lead from the prosecutor as well as some of what the media is dishing out.

    • I’m so sorry, Nicole. I know what it feels like not to be believed. It’s just awful!

  24. One thing I try to remember when hearing the jury questions is that I have had access to a lot more information than they have. It’s hard to put into perspective only what they have heard and seen. I have seen, read and discussed so much more information and evidence than they have been given.

    • And not only that, they haven’t been allowed to DISCUSS all this wealth of information or engage in a forum as we do here, to benefit from feedback or sharing of contrasting ideas, etc… or, to even reinforce particular themes or pieces of evidence except within each juror’s individual mind…
      (at least we can HOPE that is true, and I would think the the booting off of juror#5 serves as an example for what happens if they DO try to discuss among themselves? 😕

    • strange that HLN has not said anything about a 28 year old woman named ashley thompson reed who called the police to give information if they can get video tapes and journals and spuuuu there hate they need a good spanking for being so onesided

  25. So much talk of lies …..

    For the most part, from the mob of “Haters” against Jodi .. the mindless sheeple who would rather follow the HLN “Pipers” blindly, as the spew their vile tunes throughout the airwaves!

    For the life of me i cannot understand how these people can live with themselves! How can anyone just turn a blind eye to all of the information that has come out!? Sure they might not want to believe Jodi, but what about TA’s friends …. the IM’s .. emails and TA’s own words!

    Instead of opening their eyes .. ears and hearts to the truth, they remain mesmerized by the disturbing antics of the pint sized minstrel .. and his HLN orchestra …. who fill their heads with the melodies of nonsense and send them out to destroy the lives of anyone who would take a stand for Jodi … and the Truth!

    I love ALV … her Strength & Courage to continue on, in spite of the Onslaught of Hate thrown against her is truly amazing! She is a “Warrior For The Truth” !!!!

    I hope the jury can see this ….. the light she has shed on this case .. exposing the truth …

    There is “NO” evidence that Jodi was a …
    Stalker
    Abuser
    Perpetrator of violence

    There is evidence that TA was all of those things … and more,
    evidence that TA was truly a …..

    Deceiver
    .

    Spawn from the darkness
    with venomous tongue,
    spewing mystery, enchantment, delight.
    .
    Lurker of shadows
    destroyer of dreams,
    coward weaving your lies in the night.
    .

    A desolate heart
    a lost, wounded soul,
    your dark radar sensing new prey.
    .

    Debauched voice crying out
    come to me, i’ll set you free,
    another soul murdered this day.
    .

    Coward of the shadows
    cloaked in deceit,
    always outside of their sight.
    .

    Honesty torments you
    truth your opposer,
    your demise awaits in the light.

    The “Light of Truth” will always penetrate the Darkness …
    only then can the healing begin, and the death of lies occur.

    God Bless Jodi
    Her Defense Team
    Experts … especially ALV!
    Everyone here
    TA (may his soul rest in peace)
    And all of the Haters .. may the light of Truth penetrate the darkness of their hearts!

  26. speaking of nightmares…

    Last night I dreamed I was on my way to the airport for a trip to Guatemala for an ayahuasca ceremony. For some reason I didn’t have any pants on and I was arriving kinda late. I was looking through the stores for a pair of jeans to wear (I did have underwear on, lol) and I realized I also had not done the online check-in thing and I didn’t have a boarding pass. I decided to go back home and not go on the trip.

    I’m pretty sure this dream is because of the trial…I don’t normally dream like that…

    • LOL, too funny.

      Have you been fortunate enough to have actually tried an ayahuasca drink?
      I have been intrigued about such things ever since reading Narby’s Cosmic Serpent and I so want to visit Peru after reading that Turn Right at Machu Pichu book.
      But… I rarely go anywhere 🙁 And, today, when I looked outside, I saw it had bloody snowed again, groan.

      • OT

        Haven’t read that one yet. The Shaman and Ayahuasca (Don jose Campos) is pretty good.

        Have you seen “DMT: The Spirit Molecule”? EXCELLENT!! I wish all the ill people in the world could experience it, in controlled settings.

        • Have not been exposed to either source, but you have piqued my interest and I will try to access both! Thank you, BeeCee!

    • That’s so funny (not funny haha, but funny strange) BeeCee, because I’ve had dreams lately where I was in a public place with no pants/skirt AND no underwear. They’ve usually occurred after JM does his thang. This case has resonated deeply with so many of us.

      • (Just now saw your post)

        oh geez, I know AA, kind of interesting..I wonder how many other people are having pants-less dreams, lol.

        does that mean I can sue Kermit?

        HAHA, just kidding.

  27. I just want to say one more thing.

    I think KN and JW have done an OUTSTANDING job on this trial. They have provided a vigorous defense for Jodi – even with the circus atmosphere.

    If I were ever in a position like Jodi, I would hire JW every day, all day long! 🙂

    And, I see that her husband does wills and trusts. I just happen to be in the market for that service! 🙂

    I am going to send JW an email, let her know what a great job she and Kirk are doing, and ask her to pass it along to Kirk.

    I think we should all do the same! 🙂

    Love you all!! You are all such a great group of people. Thank you for allowing me to share my opinions and issues without being bashed.

    • Splendid idea, Thanks for the heads up!
      I feel same love toward you and others as you have expressed. :mrgreen:
      {{{{{{{{{(((((Nicole)))))TeamJodi}}}}}}}}}}

    • Jennifer and Kirk have done a really great job. I only wish that they had the money available to them to get some forensic people to testify about how the evidence points to self-defense during a fight rather than premeditated murder. Jose Baez made such a good argument for that on HLN, and he was able to bring in a lot of forensic help for Casey.

    • They have done a splendid job, indeed. They each have their own style, but they hammer away until they get to the core of what they want. And they are professionals to the nth degree. While I have one or two major problems with the defense case as a whole (or should I say “hole” because one thing is very much missing), perhaps they didn’t realize it, and I don’t think their DV specialist was able to point it out (although I’m not sure why). Or, they couldn’t find someone to do everything they needed and their budget is limited. Or, perhaps they were hindered by their own client. Yes, I do mean Jodi. She never wanted to say a bad word about Travis, and perhaps she limited just how much they could do. It’s HER case, after all.

  28. I think the Jurors have adopted JM’s attack style. They no longer care about evidence, they are going for the ah ha! Moment. Like they want to be the one who catches ALV smiling at Jodi. The questions were bad IMO and show biased on the Juris part. I do pray for the lone jurist or two whom can see through the crap and can hold on. SJ, that picture just illustrated what I thought. He got what he deserved. I haven’t met anyone whom I have told about the trial and what TA did to her whom didn’t say,they would have killed him too. Or,he got what he deserved. So win or lose,Jodi rid this world of that garbage.

    • I think AL smiling at Jodi is just her personality. She’s just a compassionate person. Just like apologizing to JA when she met her for the first time and saying something to TA’s sister. It was probably her condolences. It’s just the kind of person she is. I think it takes a very compassionate, empathetic person to be in her line of work.

      • I agree too, i think ALV is an awesome person, i hope the jury will take what she said to heart. There has to be someone with common sense on the jury.

      • Yes, Alyce is a kind and compassionate person. I’d love to meet her and talk with her.

        I hope that we do have some stubborn jurors who dig in their heels and say “no way” to murder 1.

    • And to add… I think we all are sitting on the edge of our chairs waiting for the AH HA! moment – especially when JM is questioning.

    • “I think the Jurors have adopted JM’s attack style. They no longer care about evidence, they are going for the ah ha! Moment. Like they want to be the one who catches ALV smiling at Jodi.”

      Yes, Patty, you are so right. Sometimes, I wish, you all could see an actual “normal” trial. The decorum and etiquette of professionals is so different than you are seeing in this trial which is televised. Basically, trials are boring to the average person. Unbelievably intelligent lawyers present testimony and argue fine points of the law. A trial was never meant to be this media circus that it’s become. And the jurors have, accordingly, played along.

      I’ve never been a part of a trial that involved juror questions at the end of each witness’s testimony before. But I’ve heard many many juror questions during deliberation. I’ve also witnessed multiple “mock” trials (through a 2-way mirror) where the “mock” jurors did not know which side had hired them and deliberated as if they were “real” jurors. (They knew they weren’t. They knew they were hired by a research firm. But they were sworn in to uphold their civic duty as if they really were serving on a trial. By the way, they were generally paid a pittance for their time, so they didn’t do it for the money.)

      I wasn’t involved in trials or the law from about 1994 onwards until fairly recently (other than dealing with my ex being sued every other month for something or other). Perhaps times have really changed. Sure, I heard some ridiculous things during deliberation of our “mock” jurors. I even witnessed two guys almost come to blows with one another.

      But I have NEVER EVER heard the likes of the ridiculous questions these jurors are allowed to pose. Nor have I EVER heard of a judge allowing such deliberate sarcasm and disgustingly biased questions. When we did “mock” trials, we gave the “mock” jurors a GREAT deal of leeway. It was the only way we could learn the deficits of our case. (This is a technique taught in law school, by the way.) We allowed them to ask questions of the witnesses and we recalled them to provide answers. We did receive some outrageous questions, and we allowed man, but not all — just as any reasonable judge would do.

      I am truly sickened by what has transpired in this courtroom over the last few days especially. I will never understand it. NEVER!

  29. Good morning friends…

    They have renamed PMS…Prickhead Massengil Syndrome…

    It’s raining here today. The angels are crying because they are ashamed of the conduct of humanity. It should be pouring in Arizona so much so Noah will be back with his Ark.

    I won’t add to the fear and uncertainty we are all feeling this morning. I’m here to try to make everyone feel better.

    We need to focus on the big picture. We are not over yet. Nothing is ever truly decided until all appeals are exhausted. Survival means getting up when you’re down and carrying on. Survivors, no matter how many blows they take, they don’t let it defeat them.

    WE ARE NOT DEFEATED…a bit deflated…but DEFINITELY NOT DEFEATED.

    Let’s keep the faith we all have in Jenn, Kirk and Jodi. Let’s collectively send all the strength we can muster to Jodi and the defense team and of course ALV. If we feel defeated, imagine how they feel.

    SJ’s post this morning was dead on – AS USUAL. We can’t be fence-sitters. We can’t be wishy-washy. We have to be strong to defeat the bullshit. The traviban is expecting us to run away with our tails between our legs. I for one will NOT do that. I’m a Brooklyn girl – I don’t just say “ok you win”. BULLSHIT!

    We support here. That means when the chips are down, we carry each other; my shoulders are ready…

      • OMG Renee…no way — I got dibs on that first!!! LOL

        You are beyond awesome. I am a better person for having known you…as much as you can know someone in cyberspace…You are someone who touches people’s hearts. Don’t you EVER change.

        • 😳

          Blushing. don’t YOU ever change.

          If you want, you can get my email from SJ, SJ I give you permission to give it to her if she wants.

          • …thank you…

            I will do that…you won’t have any doubt which email is from me… 🙂

    • Yes ❗
      Janeen, you really know how to inspire!
      Thanks for your strength both last night and this morning!
      Alright… LET’s ROLL! 😐

    • Good Morning All and thanks Janeen – that was an awesome post to read first thing this morning! 😀

      • Al, thank you for giving me my first genuine smile of the day.

        I am not a Grateful Dead follower, and confess to know little of them.

        But- I was feeling uneasy today, and thought, “what the hell” and played it. I was washing dishes and listening, and suddenly I found my hips swaying a bit, and I literally could feel my BP dropping.

        And then I smiled.

        Thanks, Al! 😀

      • And what a smile!

        When our son was a new-born and had those crying fits Jerry’s voice was always the pacifier.

    • Thanks, Al. Great energy. They sure seemed to be enjoying themselves. Didn’t see any haters there, either.

      Maybe, we should have a song from “The Dixie Chicks” some morning. They suffered so much abuse and career damage for making an anti-war statement. The haters sure went after them.

    • Thank you, Al…for a prescription for an ailment I didn’t realize I had until I took the medecine

    • Oh yeah, Al, Sam is MY DUDE!!! My Dad loved loved loved him and I grew up on major doses of Sam daily. I prefer his version, or Steve Perry’s (Journey’s original lead singer) to the Dead who I never thought really had the vocal chops for many songs (but I did get to see them in Chicago for Uncle Jerry’s LAST public performance, even though I wasn’t a fan, so hey!)

      Journey weren’t popular in Europe while my Dad was alive. But when I brought a Journey album back to Ireland from my USA trip in 1980, my Dad soundproofed my room so we could turn up the volume and jam together to Steve Perry. He told me if I ever heard a voice like that again, I’d be in Heaven. We both effing loved loved love Steve Perry. Dad died a couple of months after that. I only wish I’d been able to play Steve’s version of this song for him. Here it is. This will soothe your soul and your ears and make you go wow!:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_buQ0W5AfA

        • So, Al, you’re a deadhead huh? You know, the Dead were not popular in Europe back when I was there. I’d never heard of them until I moved here. I was so glad I went to that one show and it was a total experience.

          Oooh Aretha, what a queen, huh? Thanks for posting that.

  31. SJ-
    Glad the pic got rid of those who don’t really support Jodi and believe in her innocence. Far too late for fence sitting at this point, in my estimation.

    • While I agree weeding out trolls was great, as someone who’s has buried friends and a fiancé it was a little over the line for me. I know everyone doesn’t agree and that is your right. I just feel like a life, a brother and a friend to other human beings with feelings was lost and anytime a young person dies under any circumstance, it’s a shame.

      I hope I don’t get banned for saying so! I want justice for Jodi as much as the next. I’ve been honest that im not sure to what degree that means for me yet while participating on this forum and have enjoyed discussing this case with you all!

  33. A few people here suggested watching “12 Angry Men” yesterday. I watched it last night and it did make me feel better. Thanks for the suggestion.

    • That was me, and it certainly did, didn’t it! It reminded me, that only ONE person has to see the truth.

      Just ONE of the potential 17 jurors.

      • Renee, THANKS for suggesting it! Yes, just one! I hope there’s a Henry Fonda on the jury.

  34. Yesterday during the Juror questions, I really wish one of the Jurors had asked LaViolette why she thought JM always looks and smirks at the Jury whenever he is approaching for a sidebar. Anyone else notice how he continually does that??

  35. I’m going to guess that some of the men on the jury are actually jealous that Travis had all these girls, whether he dated them, just talked or flirted with them, and actually think he was a player. I really think that double standard might influence some IMO. And then you may have one or two that no matter what is said, screaming, and kicking your mother will never be alright with them, and won’t let that go. And then I believe some of the older woman, it is very hard to accept all the sex stuff, whether they grew up that way, are religious, or whatever. I think some of the questions were decent and respectful, and then of course you have to have somebody being snarky and an asshole. I’ve been thinking hung jury for weeks now, but again, those questions could be from a few people and the rest could be thinking something entirely different.

      • I think jurors who believe her will be pressured to negotiate for a lesser charge. So much time & money spent etc. sad but human nature I assume

      • I really think gender on the jury will play a part in this, it’s like when you hear a story about a pretty, young teacher having sex with one of her male students, you have the females saying sexual abuse, and the males saying, lucky kid. Obviously not all males or females saying that, but I’ve seen that enough times. I have learned a lot from Alyce, maybe others on the jury have also, and maybe some of the things she said hit home to some and they don’t like her for the honesty.

    • I don’t know Leah. Even us men recognize a “man-slut” when we see one. And deep down most men, at least the ones I know, don’t respect that pattern.

      Just as a real arbitrary, and unscientific test I went over to the Travis FB site and did a quick count of the first 100 pro Travis/Anti Jodi comments. The results were Female – 81, Male – 17, unidentifiable 2.

      So who knows where the hell all this is coming from.

      • And I certainly didn’t mean all men, all the men I know are decent and respectful. I read a lot of comments on different topics, and get an idea how some people think, and it is shocking to me at times. I don’t have much faith in people, and think this jury has a lot of pressure on them, and can only hope they come to a conclusion that is honest, not from pressure. Yes, I’m one of those that believe some of the jurors are cheating and watching and reading about this trial.

        • Absolutely. I think Nurmi was 100% correct when he said that the jury not being exposed to the media is a fairy tale. In some respects I think the Brits may have it right where media coverage of trials is highly restricted.

  36. I have questions about the Spiderman underwear.

    If I can remember correctly, didn’t JM contend that the Spiderman underwear was something that Jodi made up? He questioned her about why she didn’t have a picture of it or something like that, right?

    I wonder why now JM started talking about how TA loved Cameron Diaz? So is he now admitting to the existence of it?

    I’m a little confused about what the role/conflict of the underwear was to begin with.

    sorry, it takes me a while to catch up on what’s going on because I don’t watch HLN anymore and I can’t get to the live feeds while I’m at work. =)

    • I think they are viewing the context of the Spiderman underwear because of the pedophilia.

    • The whole Cameron Diaz argument on Kermit’s part is irrelevant because Cameron was wearing women’s panties in the movie. The Spidey briefs that Jodi discussed were for little boys.

      • Oh, I see. But wasn’t Jodi being called a liar because there was no evidence that the underwear existed at all?

        • I think the jury was just asking if there was anything to corroborate this other than Jodi just saying it.

          The problem we have is that Jodi’s credibility is highly damaged. The good thing though is that the Jury is asking for the corroboration. So what they are saying is, if there is something, other than just her disclosing this in an interview, we’ll believe it. That is good, because it mena sthey haven’t written the whole thing off.

        • Exactly! JM want to say she lied about him sending a package of boy’s Spider-Man underwear but wants the jury to think if it referenced then it’s something else.

    • Sil, this is where the little black hair turd lost me actually. This was an OBVIOUS set up.

      He asked Jodi several “silly questions” that didnt seem to mean anything, then threw in the “is’t it a fact that Mr. A.. was very fond of Cameron diaz?” she replies..no, that he liked a specific movie that she was in, then he pushes it again, and again, for no reason apperantly, then regarless of her not saying “he liked cameraon diaz” he drops the bomb on her wearing spiderman underwear, to suggest that is a “cameraon diaz” fantasy now, instead of a “young boys underwear” fantasy. This is 100% manipulative, missleading and disptive. I found this site right after this happened.

      If i was the judge, the Pros would have been stopped right there and spoken to. This is a court room, this is not a game room.

    • I saw a picture somewhere of Travis when he was about 4 or 5 wearing spiderman underwear. He was with his father in the picture. I wonder if it will get into evidence,

      • Wow, really? That’s very interesting, Finishtouch. It makes me wonder if Travis’s dad abused him sexually. So, by making Jodi wear those underwear he was actually trying to reclaim his youth. Damn, that’s deep, sorry.

  37. I hope JW does the closing. Which side goes first? The fact that the state did not prove pre-meditation should be harped on as well as the definiton of reasonable and their civic duty to be despite how they may feel about the defendant just be discussed in great detail. In my opinion that was what sealed the deal for Jose Biaz. That is the bottom line. Clearly some jurors are having a hard time with the fact that both the experts comducted their evaluations based on lies. Clearly AL did it on more but after hearing their questions it’s clear they bought Juan’s bias crap hook line and sinker. At this point I think the defense has raised enough doubt and Jodi won’t be convicted of first degree murder. I think they knew an acquittal was a long shot. At the end of the day there are so many mistrial issues that I believe whatever the outcome is in a couple of weeks the verdict will be over turned. I think the prosecutor will re try her less the first degree charge. The judge did everyone involved, including the tax payers of AZ, a disservice by ignoring these items and not respected and upholding Jodi’s rights to a fair trial.

    Regardless, JW needs to apologize if some on the jury feel Travis’s name was dragged through the mud in the closing and remind them that was the sole reason why Jodi lied in the first place. I would also state that Jodi was against a lot of this information coming out during the trial but that the defense team had an obligation to their client to fight for her right to a fair trial etc. I would also say that they, including Jodi, do not mean Travis deserved to die but only to explain what lead to the series of events that commenced in Jodi fearing for her life in those final moments. I wish they had called a medical examiner to discuss the crime scene and dispute the state’s theories of how it went down. Why they never called a whitness to discuss overkill in these type abuse cases is also confusing. I also feel like multiple questions should have been raised about the roomate’s living in the house for 5 days with a stench and no one bothered to investigate it and how odd that is. That the police started in their reports the smell was noticeable the very moment you entered the home. The fact there was bias against her from his friends and family out of the gate, most woth have never meeting her. They just need to hit home every hole and speak shortly about the abuse part. I think thats been covered in great detail already and should just be referenced. Mention it only because that has been their whole case but the burden of proof is not on them and that needs to be hammered. I would point out the lack of testimony regarding evidence to support the states case. At the end of the day closing arguments need to leave the jury feeling like they only have whatever their emotions about the case they have developed during the trial but in order to fulfill the obligation they are tasked with the emotions can not be used in making a decision. Only fact and The evidence is just not there!

    • Great post!! I agree about having someone testify regarding the “overkill”. The only thing I can think of is that Jodi said she doesn’t remember stabbing him so maybe they don’t even want to bring that in. However, I think that most reasonable people would say that stabbing 27 times, slashing is throat and shooting him in the head was WAY overkill and doesn’t really seem reasonable for self defense.

      • I can see your point on not bringing it in but the fact that its been testified to in other cases that abused victims have defended themselves and in the process something snaps in them and they get lost in a blind sense of not being able to contain their emotion of fear. There is only so much a person can take and I think it would be good to explain that everyone’s thresholds and sensitivity to abuse is different and that is not whats on trial here. The fact that both sides has stayed away from forensic evidence as well as the psychology involved in an overkill situation boggles my mind. They have left the jury giving this abuse and her lies after the fact to much weight in this case. They need to focus on science not emotion

    • Brenda, I also feel and I may be wrong, that the jury would like for the defendant to show remorse at some point, at least for the loss of life of the person they loved regardless of the circumstances.

      I’m not saying that she should apologize for defending herself, just demonstrate that she is truly sad about what happened. Because regardless of *our* opinions about TA, Jodi, at some point did love him. Sad, but true.

    • “I hope JW does the closing. Which side goes first?”

      I expect it to be Nurmi who does the closing. He’s the lead on the case and has been with it the longest. He should give the closing, unless he feels JW can do it better.

      Which side goes first? The defense. The prosecution gets the last word, as it’s their case to prove or not.

      Love the rest of your post.

      • JW did the opening, so maybe she will do the closing 🙂 I do hope to hear from Nurmi again at some point though 🙂

        I wish the defense had the last word. I swear, it seems like jury only remembers the last word…. every time Martinez crosses, it is all they remember :/

  38. My knee jerk reactions to the latest and greatest….

    Jury questions:

    I’m not going to waste our time (really I mean my time, mostly because I’m lazy, fat, ugly and have a wart on my ass) by going to the tape and typing out the actual questions, but it is clear to me now that the jury is broken. I am also 100% sure that the jury has been doing a bit of their own “research” on this trial and its issues. Again, I’m not going to post the specific question here, but I believe 1 question in particular PROVES the juror has been on the internet checking out information, and based on a second question I would very extremely surprised that this was motivated by something the juror heard first on TV.

    I do not want the site to be changed or removed, so I am not going to name names, but 1 question in particular seemed a bit “out there” in the way it was written. So I did a little search of my own..BAMM, there it was. And, based on the site that this question came from, it is clear that it is biased for the prosecution. At a minimum the site also contains comments from people watching the trial. If true, this would be a direct violation to the jury’s instructions. There is ZERO way that a juror could minimize this by simply saying they were “researching” a word or phrase. It most definitely is not a case of “i was just looking up the meaning of a word in the online dictionary”. Also, there is no way that the juror simply had the same question as one on the thousands following the trial, as this was a longer question with several ‘if yes, then…” variables, that match the original online version EXACTLY. Most pointedly is the questions that the same juror seemed to have about another totally different topic, that was also talked about in the same “thread/post/comment” that the original question was stolen from.

    I have emailed the defense and pointed out the specific question and the place on the internet that it OBVIOUSLY came from.

    The other juror questions? Besides a few that were obviously slanted towards the prosecution, by a fucking idiot, I don’t think they were that bad. Maybe I should explain. I don’t say that the juror/s that asked these pro pros questions are fucktards simply because they believe the pros, or slanted against Jodi, I say this because they obviously are 4 cans short of a six pack. Almost every glairing pro pros question was about something that was already asked and answered SEVERAL times by both the pros and the defense examinations. For example “how can you be sure that Jodi wasn’t simply lying to you when you interviewed her?” Really? really… real..l…l…y…? What fucking trial is this dip shit watching? If you don’t know ALV’s answer to that by now, then you need to go to the nearest bar, and when the bartender asks “what can I get you” tell him ” 4 hits of acid and a box of shotgun shells” because there is no hope for you.
    My friends, seriously, stop and think about this for a second. Truly, how can a juror really ask that question? I would liken this to someone asking, after the first month of the trial, “what was the name of the man that was killed?”. It’s just ridiculous. The only thing I can come up with is maybe the juror is VERY pro pros and just wants to have all the other jurors hear the answer again or the lack of an answer. Again, this is not the juror’s job, that is the pros job. If that is the case, I would like to be the bartender when the juror comes in.

    I know I have ranted several times about all the stupid people we all have to share this planet with, but this is getting a bit ridiculous. How about the judge? The judge…SHE IS A FUCKING JUDGE…..The judge is at least 5 pumps short of an orgasm. I don’t think this because I’m sooooo smart, I think this because they are sooooo dumb. In fact I’m kind of a dip shit myself, when it comes to most things. (if you need evidence, just read how I write..lol)

    The word of the day… YIKERS!!

    • What fucking trial is this dip shit watching? If you don’t know ALV’s answer to that by now, then you need to go to the nearest bar, and when the bartender asks “what can I get you” tell him ” 4 hits of acid and a box of shotgun shells” because there is no hope for you.

      The judge…SHE IS A FUCKING JUDGE…..The judge is at least 5 pumps short of an orgasm.
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      LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL YOU NAILED IT.

      • “The judge is at least 5 pumps short of an orgasm.”

        I fucking love you Renee. Can we stay in touch when all this is over? You’re my kind of people. You rock!

      • Oh, you know i will, but not until i hear back from them or it comes out. I don’t want the site to change or erase the posts.

        • I highly doubt you will hear back from them. I’m sure they will not discuss any part of the case with anyone or acknowledge receiving information from any outside sources. Just my opinion.

        • THANK YOU!!! You gave me my first knee-slapping laugh of the day…

          I wouldn’t ever call you a dip shit…

          Only 5 pumps short of an orgasm???? Do you think she even knows what an orgasm is???? She, and I use the term loosely, is never in a good mood…
          .

    • Lol Sirlips! LOVE LOVE LOVE the post!!

      I was thinking of the scenario of an office meeting. Anyone ever been to one of those all hands office meetings that never end because there are the select few office idiots that continue to ask idiotic questions? Questions that have already been answered via written memo, email, mentioned prior in the same meeting, written on the wall in the bathroom, etc.?

      • EXACTLY!

        I don’t blaim these people. ignorance is not a crime. BUT, DONT BE ON A FUCKING JURY FOR A DEATH PENALTY CASE!!!

        There has to be one of “me” on this jury. there has to be.

        Not to change the subject, but it is kind of scary when you stop and think about it. The balance of life and death in AZ depends on the “luck of the draw”. Its all about if they get one of us on the jury or they get a NG. Its the lottery. Its broken. Its wrong. It should be stopped.

        • Also the luck of the draw if you get a “normal” prosecutor, or a nut case intent on winning by twisting and insinuating, intentionally withholding evidence, and grandstanding.

    • Sirlips, great job doing the research, capturing the evidence and passing it on to DT ❗

    • Thank you for posting this sirlips, and for writing to the Defense Team!!! I agree that a question or two sounded like something that maybe came off the net!!!

    • Good morning Sirlips!

      I think the only reason this juror asked “how can you be sure that Jodi wasn’t simply lying to you when you interviewed her?” is because juror isn’t confident/100% sure of their own decision. Clearly this tells me juror doesn’t belong there and by now there shouldn’t be any doubts to ALV testimony.

      Great post!!! I’ll be looking forward to defense’s response.

      • No response, but i didnt send them anything until i came into the office this morning. Also, i didnt know how to send it, so i used the email that was on one of the court docs that had nurmi and JW’s emails.

        I would imagine they are getting dombbarded with emails. I did use my work email, so it wasnt just a “hotmail/gmail/yahoo” acct, maybe in the hopes they will look at it more. I work at a bank and we have @mybank.com, not sure if that will matter. Also, they may not be able to use the info, find it important or it could open up a whole new can of worms that they do not want to get into.

        However, the real value i see, if it did all pan out, is for appeal purposes.

        FYI, The site is a very well known social media site that is owned by a very PRO PROS person. I am unable to access this site from work, as it is blocked, so i cant screen shot it right now, but i dont think it should be gone when i get home, as it was a post from several days ago.

        I fear to give more detail than that, so the acct owner doesnt start searching past posts.

        The only way i can see the defense contacting me, would be to get my user name and password for my acct, which i did offer to them, as you can only see these posts if you are a “friend” of the person. I made a fake name and befreinded the por pros person. WHICH, makes me think now, that the juror would have to also have “friended” the person. YIKERS. ANYWAY, it cant hurt to see, and it can help possibly.

  39. I’ve been mulling over the jury questions from yesterday, and have come to the conclusion that they really convey that the Jury is dotting every I and crossing every T. Although some appeared to be snarky, in terms of Ms L., smiling at Jodi etc., I think the Jury is actually clearing up in their own mind, that JM’s ridiculous allegations that she is blindly biased toward Jodi are just not true. Same goes for the questions about Ms. L being certain that Jodi is not lying to her. I really am hopeful that the questions lean in favor of Jodi and that the Jury members are leaning toward acquittal, but want to make every possible effort to not let the wretched killer that JM talks about walk free.

    I still think it would behoove the defense to put on a crime scene specialist to let the jury know that the scene is not representative of a well thought out premeditated murder. It would also be great if the Lie Detector administrator could get on the stand. I think this would sooth the Juror’s concerns that Jodi is still lying about what happened. Would love to know what other defense witnesses will be called.

    • proof that you are not a good murderer isn’t proof that you didn’t do it. There is actually a term in law for this, but it escapes me right now. Al? he may know what I’m referring to, that sum’bitch knows everything. 🙂

      • sirlip-
        Jodi said she did it. Common sense says if it was premeditated, she would have lured him to the woods or dessert to fufill his fantasy and kill him there. He body would probably never been found. A bloody, poorly cleaned scene with a camera in the washer and palm print on the wall is not very well thought out. I think it really goes to whether it was pre-med or self defense. Remember, Juries live in a world of CSI and want that type of evidence.

        • I understand that she says she did it. I was refferring more to the “point” you made or the argument “that someone that would premed a murder would do it better”. There is a specific term for this broad argument.

          Simply, someone can not argue “I didnt do it, because if i did i would have made sure the cop wasnt watching, that says he saw me”.

        • But, with that said, i still agree with you…lol.

          She would have not been this sloppy if she did it the way the black haired pimple claims.

      • Thanks for that glowing reference, but I don’t have a clue.

        Unless you are referring to the Impossibility due to ineptitude defense that has been tried in vain in the past. That defense says, he couldn’t have done it cause he’s just too fricking dumb, or clumsy or whatever. That never works.

  40. The proof that some of the jurors are watching HLN is clear to me by the very nature of their questions
    .
    Specifically, the fact that they seem to focus on Jodi’s lies and not really on what Alyce testified about DV.

    When I used to watch HLN everything they spewed seemed focused on the lies that Jodi told at the beginning. They keep calling Jodi a liar at every opportunity and hammer that on on and on and on and on and on and on….you get the idea.

    I feel that the snarky questions posed to Alyce were mean spirited and disrespectful, which is also in line with how JM treated her. I guess they feel they don’t have to respect her since the judge did not do anything to stop JM from abusing her on the stand. How anyone in the world can believe that this jury has followed the “admonition” is beyond my comprehensive skills.

    • Did any one leave a list of the juror questions anywhere? I know it was referenced last night that they would be posted somewhere.

      Also was it confirmed that someone the questions regarding the treatment of Jodi’s mom by Jodi was ever discussed in testimony? I don’t remember hearing that

    • Yes! The Judge sets the tone and her allowing JM to show such disrespect for all witnesses conveys to the jury that they can similarly disrespect the witnesses.

      • That’s a great point sz. Stephens is the worst judge I’ve ever seen. It still too bad that this jury doesn’t appear to have a backbone or minds of their own. Although it’s not over yet. Juries are strange. I’ve been on 4 of them. So many different personalities and attitudes. Hopefully the questions are from the vocal minority.

        • agree joe on the how bad this Judge is. I’ve vented many times on her performance, and would recommend anyone who lives in Arizona file a complaint against her with the bar. {assuming she is also an attorney}. Not sequestering this jury is the most egregious thing I’ve ever witnessed in a death penalty case. I wonder what the stats are on this, how many death penalty cases, of this high profile nature, has the jury NOT been sequestered. I’m ranking this trial up there with Jeffery Dalmer and Ted Bundy type of media coverage.
          I wonder if they even have statistics on this…I may have to take a look this weekend.

          BTW, did you all hear that someone tried to mail Joe Aripia a bomb….LMAO!!! I wonder why

    • I agree about them watching or using the media as the questions about hating men given their alledged limited scope of knowledge seemed brazen without outside investigation.

      • Yes, deb! that’s the one question that upset me greatly. How in the hell, would anyone in a jury that’s not tainted even bring something like that up?

        And that was not just stemming from the stupid prosecutor’s innuendo about Alyce liking Jodi in some seedy way. This question was derived by one juror who’s keeping tab on the hater websites.

      • Deb-
        I don’t doubt that they may have seen some media coverage, but I don’t think those types of questions necessarily show just that. Recognition of Domestic Violence is still a relatively new phenomenon. As Ms. L talked about, the research did not even really start until the 90’s. I think there is still a long way to go and ignorance of the topic is rampant. Because most victims are women, those who have fought to help them are usually women. Just like the days when women first began to obtain legal rights, they were seen as man hating, lesbians etc. Those set in old mindsets who wanted to maintain the status quo, did not want to see them as “every” woman. I believe the stereotypes of femi-nazi’s still exists, and JM played to that crap. Probably because he would like for women to be back to the “good ole days” and be in a position of being under the rule of men like him. I am hopefull that the Jurors see through this and are clarifying that the witness is not a man hater, femi-nazi as JM has alluded to.

  41. I just read this on the support page for Alyce. Are these people really that desperate?

    We hate to bring this up but because it has become an issue we wanted those of you who are leaving POSITIVE comments to be aware of something ~ A few folks have reported that they are being harassed on other pages and that there is one specific page keeping “names” of AL Supporters – I really don’t even have words for that other than “Psychotic” – but if you comment please make sure that your privacy settings are locked so that people do not harass you —

    • 😯 oh, for crying out loud, it’s like a bunch of six-year-old tattle-tales! Except they are tattling on the peers who are behaving instead of the ones misbehaving! WTF!
      Thanks, Gail, for the heads-up on privacy issues.

      • thanks a bunch! But all I can say is, “HERE I AM!!!! ” come and get me!!! I;m very open about my support for Jodi, and I have absolutely nothing to hide or be ashamed of. If they are so concerned about my life, which is mighty boring….lol…..then have at it! I live way out in the country, I am armed to teeth, and have a very LARGE boyfriend who loves to fight!! LMAO!!!!!
        I think all of us need to be careful, but never show fear or worry to a bully. If you have any problems with people harassing you, report them to this site….
        http://www.bullyville.com

        • Melvis-
          Love it! I have posted on the AL website in support of her. You are so correct. Research shows that those who witness bullying and do nothing out of fear of the bully, actually suffer negative psychological effects. It comes with a feeling of helplessness in the face of seeing someone else bullied, and yourself being so afraid to do the right thing. That’s what bullies rely on! I appreciate everyone here standing up to bullies!!!!

          TEAM JODI !

          • Me too TR! I happen to be a victim of extreme bullying when I was younger, probably more along the lines of terrorism, and I learned that as soon as I stood up and fought back, it stopped. There is nothing worse than a bully, and we all need to fight back!
            I hope that ALV reports every email, or text, or other threatening behavior to the authorities. It can no longer be tolerated, and HLN needs to also take a stand and denounce their followers who are doing this. For them to fan the flames of this is beyond disgusting, and if they don’t, then they should be considered bullies as well….
            SJ, maybe you should post http://www.bullyville.com on a future post so everyone knows that they have a resource. I’ve heard very good things about them, and you have ability on their site to post screenshots of any text, email, or tweet that is threatening, and if I’m not mistaken, the administrators of that site will monitor and reveal the person behind it.
            TEAM JODI ALL THE WAY!!!!!

            • Melvis-
              Good idea to send everything to the bully website. I also go on the book review sites to speak back to the bullies and point out their ignorance. I have noticed since myself and another poster on Amazon pointed out that the activity is illegal and can be easily traced by the Feds for the crime of witness tampering, some of the bullies have removed their criminal posts and have stopped the barage. I think they are blindly following the leaders of the bullying and doing their bidding, not realizing they could be the ones to take the fall for cyber crimes, not there “leaders”. By the way, Tabloid TV hires the biggest bullies of all to be the hosts.

  42. I very concerned with the fact that from the questions asked from the jury so far they don’t seem to have paid much attention. They have focused in on certain things and shut their minds off to everything else. HLN syndrome.

  43. Worry what a few hours has done! I didn’t watch the jury questions yesterday, I spent time with my 16 year old. And I bought a kitchen aid that I’ve wanted for so long and a light pink one at that ( for beast cancer.” We had a blast, shopping lughing being silly and eating out. I was really sad and dumfounded to read some info on the jurors questions they didnt sound pro JODI OR PRO JUSTICE in any way. But I still have to watch them to catch up. It is really sad that this site lost supporters according to what I read here, over a picture? I can’t think help but believe that wasn’t it. I didnt know what to think or make of that photo, but it never changed my mind on the trial or the integrity of those on this site. I’m sorry to all it’s was a difficult day yesterday. But don’t loose faith.

    • Kimberly!! Yay on the pink kitchenaid mixer!! As a breast cancer survivor, Thank You for supporting Pink!!

  45. So who has some plans to today? I hope they are fun and make you laugh a little to put all this drama behind you for now. Do something to lift your spirits! It’s so important for your own soul. I’m going to call my stylist and make a appt to wash that man right out of my hair. Unfortunately for me it will probably take awhile because the stylist is so busy. But point is feed your soul. Is there court today?

    • Kimberly, great advice!! I have to step away from time to time also….well said and pamper yourself girl!!

  46. Hi Everyone,

    I’m new to this site. I’m so glad I found it. I almost thought it wasn’t a working site because of the odd google description. I have been on some other sites that were filled with really hateful people. All of you seem really nice and suppotive.

    • Hi Misty! Glad to have you here. You’ll enjoy this blog it’s by far the best one! 🙂

    • Hello Misty! I’m so glad you found this site. There are so many wonderful people here, you will feel right at home in no time.

    • GM all! Praying for a great day for Jodi and her defense team. I will admit yesterday got me down but after reading a lot of the post I feel much better.

    • Welcome Misty! Glad to have you on board. This site was a life saver for me because before that I did not think anyone thought as I did. I just googled Does anyone think a Jodi is innocent and boom top site. I was a lurker for a few days to see what everyone thought, and I have found this group very supportive and insightful.

    • Hi Misty , you will learn so much from everyone here that actually matches the evidence. Not a twist on what the evidence means. Plus you get a few laughs!

  47. It seems as though JM is trying this case with the help of the media, he keeps adding extra bits here and there that were not in his opening statements or his redirects. It is as though he watches HLN and Facebook for points he should have made to bolster his case. Had he thought of them himself he wouldn’t have rested his case as soon as he did.

    • I think he feels he’s done enough damage.

      The little relentless neanderthal using his repetitive aggressive yes/no questions like a rock hammer managed to chip away at some of the jurors, I fear. But hopefully, at least one of them found him to be annoying and abusive like I did.

      Shit, I would release Jodi just out of spite for having him put me through so much freaking stress and aggravation. lol! j/k!

    • My thoughts exactly, Angela! JM never HAD a case, that’s why it took him only a 3rd of the time it has taken the defense.
      I have also thought about all of the Pedo-worshipers all over HLN singing praises of Dear TA. If they always had this opinion of him why didn’t they come in as character witnesses. Why no ex-girlfriends saying how sweet he was (except the one who was not even interested). The truth is they were never called because it could be easily proven that the opinion they claim to have had for TA can easily be disputed with evidence otherwise.

  48. Not sure if anyone paid attn of some pics of JA/B*bby Juarez, that were shown on Dr. Flu’s sho? Well, it showed a pic of JA in a Superman T, and wearing pig tails!! So K. Wick made a comment that TA might not have been the one to start the pigtail thing, rather JA liked wearing her hair that way. Many other things abt that were talked abt, perhaps even tweeted out with that pic. Not sure now if JM will bring that in and cause more uproar by creating additional doubt abt TA being the one to insist on pigtails coz he liked it. The media is doing all they can to help the prosc side. (was concerned abt even posting this here, so as not to give them more ammunition). If so, pls feel free to delete. Thanks.

    • My mom put my hair up in pigtails when I was young that doesn’t mean I like to wear it that way now that I am older. Pigtail are cute on little girls.

    • Intro, I heard that spin too.

      Here’s mine:
      In the teenage Jodi pic she looks like an innocent fresh faced very young girl in cartoon pj’s. JA showed TA pics of her when they were getting to know each other.
      That look caught his eye and voila – he saw he could easily turn his 27 year old girlfriend into a young girl if she pig tailed her hair for him. He could legally feed his desire for something young – have his tossed salad and eat it too, without getting arrested.

    • They will grasp at any straw to stay in denial that the man was a pedophile. So sad for them, TA’s voice on the phone proves otherwise.

  49. My quote for the day in respect to all the haters out there.

    “People need to learn that their actions do affect other people. So be careful what you say and do, it’s not always just about you!”

    • I thought Pickles said 9.30, but the court twitter feed says 9.00 – as usual, we shall see…

      SJ
      Team Jodi

  51. Here are some hints from my page on constructive things you can do.

    http://jodi-arias-support.wikispaces.com/home

    My main suggestion is this : don’t just sit around during cross-examination, letting Mr Martinez make you mad (a few minutes of his inanities is enough), instead DO SOMETHING POSITIVE.

    It could be researching some minor point of evidence, or posting a comment at a “neutral” website ( say the Washington Post ), or inviting your Facebook friends to join the campaign.

    One good place to publish is groundreport : http://www.groundreport.com.

    Or just upvoting a positive comment, see here for example:

    Or report absuive posts,These may be libel, advise the publication of that. If they don’t remove it, they can be liable.

    Or maybe make a transcript of some key testimony ( you can incorporate these at http://jodi-arias.wikispaces.com/Trial+Index ).

    Improve your own understanding of the case. Knowledge is power!

    Try to do at least one positive thing per day.

    Don’t bother with HLN or other places controlled or dominated by pro-guilt people, it’s probably not effective, and may well be counter-productive. It can also pollute your mind with incorrect information ( I know it happened to me once ).

    If you are debating, choose somewhere neutral, and insist that the discussion is done in a calm way, with a presumption of innocence.

    If you feel yourself getting emotional ( and everyone does ), have a break. Calming down helps us act more effectively.

    Those are just a few initial ideas, please post your ideas in the comments for this page or on the main support site.

    Support for Jodi is growing : look at how few comments there were at https://jodiariasisinnocent.com on the first day of the trial, and how many there are now.

    Anyway, don’t be complacent! Jodi still faces enormous prejudice. Never underestimate the battle that Jodi still faces.

    We cannot do much about what is going on in court, but there is a battle for public opinion to be fought outside the courtroom.

    This battle is important, but we need to be organised, proactive and intelligent. All very much “in my opinion” of course.

    Over time I will keep this page updated. Understand I’m just an ordinary person with limited time trying to do my bit. We need to help each other.

    Note: you may want to remain anon, take care.

    • Excellent post. Thank you. Let’s keep our comments relevant to the trial without swearing, name-calling and trivial talk about our personal lives. It’s all really hard to do, I know, but re-read this post and try to follow the advice.

  53. I just want to take a moment to apologize for anything I said yesterday, language or tone-wise, that might have come across as mean, rude, condescending, or vulgar to anyone. I truly didn’t mean to come off that way AT ALL. If I upset of offended you, I’m sorry; please forgive me. 🙂

    Martinez and the Travis Taliban’s mistreatment of Alyce, along with those undeniably media-biased Juror Questions (and just KNOWING that JM will use those questions to further poison Jodi’s jury against her) just has me really upset about where this trial is going. I didn’t mean to take it out on anyone, and I most certainly didn’t mean to offend anyone. I’ll try to tone it down and keep my composure a bit better… I’ll TRY, but I can’t promise. And I apologize in advance if I offend or upset anyone with my language or tone today. Thank you all for putting up with me – and accepting me – in ALL of my crazy glory! 😉

      • I have never read anything by you that has offended me. I wish sometimes I could be so forth coming.

    • You have never said anything you need to be sorry for, IMO 🙂

      You bring so much insight and humor here. I’m so glad to see your name pop up each day, I know “Its on” then. LOL!!

    • Hi, Ashley!!!
      I didn’t notice anything offensive from you whatsoever, but I DO remember LIKING you because of whatever comments you made, and that it felt good to be with a comrade who was fired up and ready to ROLL ❗

    • You were great Ashley. I know a lot of us were that fired up and I am glad you posted. I was angry and upset yesterday as well but we had some really bad storms here yesterday and I was lucky to hear half the trial feed.

    • You have never offended me. 🙂 I find you to be rather refreshing, with your no-nonsense approach. I don’t have to wade through the manure.

    • Ashley, I don’t think you’ve offended anyone. I also rant and curse sometimes on this site even though it’s not really my nature. This case is really getting to me.

    • Ashley-

      I did not see anything offensive in the least, no need to apologize. i see your passion in defending a poor young woman who was abused, had to fight for her life, and is now having to fight for it again. Far too many women have betrayed eachother these days, by not defending our “sisters” who we know are abused. Horrible things continue to happen to women across the globe, based soley on their gender. It is so disheartening to think that in the Nation that is supposed to be the leader in equality etc., we have not come very far. The women that came before us and fought for our rights and liberties, must be rolling over in their graves.

      Make no apologies for your passion my dear. We need to be examples to future generations of women.

  55. This may seem like a stupid question….Regarding cases such as this one, were the defendant testified on their own behalf…Can the defendant be called back during rebuttal? I’m not the brightest crayon in the box (stole this one from a previous post). I’m not saying I want Jodi to have to be exposed to that horror again.

  56. Ashley…I can only speak for myself – you have not ever offended me nor have I thought anything you said was terrible. You’re awesome…I find myself laughing WITH you frequently…

    We are all in the same boat emotionally and such about this ongoing saga.

  57. WildAboutTrial @WildAboutTrial

    #JodiArias, Willmott and Nurmi are in chambers. Juan is sitting by himself at his desk. Donavan and Jodi’s mother are in front row.

  59. WildAboutTrial @WildAboutTrial

    Defense just came out of chambers. Alyce is here with a blue top on. Spectators are being let in now. Courtroom is fairly empty. #JodiArias

  60. Yesterday, it seemed to me the judge seemed happy that the jury questions were so on the prosecution side. Anyone else?

      • Right!Her voice inflection and stress of words….Don´t get us started hell yeah!!!

    • To tell you the truth, i can’t figure her out – she almost seems to me like she’s off in own little world, even when she is reading questions….

      • I really have considered that maybe she’s an animatronic blow-up doll, even though I HAVE seen much more realistic blow-up dolls sold in the mall… 😀

  62. Gail, I’d like to add to your quote of the day by saying:

    To all the hate-filled people who come read this site and then run to report what we talk about to your masters.

    Believe me, when I say that all the hate you spew against Jodi and everyone who supports her will come back to haunt you in some way. Maybe not immediately, but eventually.

    You can hide behind the anonymity of the internet and viciously attack anyone you deem worthy of your wrath, but at the end of the day you can’t hide from who you truly are and the kind of person you have become. Justice for Travis is just an excuse for you to let your true vile nature come to light.

    You will get back everything you put out. And because I believe in Karma, I’m not wishing you harm or for something bad to happen to you or your loved ones. I just wish you get what you deserve. And I think that’s fair.

    Don’t forget that hate begets more hate. Hate is toxic.

    And understand that I don’t hate you. I feel sorry for whatever happened to you in your past to make you such a miserable person. I hope you get help.

    /end rant

    Now, can someone please help me off this soapbox? I’m still wearing the armor from the other day! LOL!

    • Well said Sil!! Bravo!

      Like you, I do feel sorry for all those who are filled with hate. I can’t imagine living like that.

    • Nicely said, Sil.

      I sent this message to a woman last night who offered one of the few pro-Jodi comments on a particular hate-filled site:

      People who hate try to legitimize their hatred of Jodi by claiming that she “murdered” Travis. But, they see everything in “black and white.” There is no gray in their world. They see Jodi as black so anyone that testifies for her or defends her or writes anything positive about her are black and must be hated, too. You will be hated if you stick around. I will also be hated. All they have to offer is hate. They just need a target.

      • You’re absolutely right. And that kind of irrational thinking is what drives them to say the things they say. They take it too far though and they can’t even recognize how evil they sound. Instead, they band together and give each other high-fives, feeling superior in their skewed belief that they are indeed doing something great.

        It sickens me.

  63. Thanks so much for all the warm welcomes. I appreciate them as I’m a pretty shy person. I’m at work today so I won’t be able to catch much of the trial so I’ll be poppong in and out of here to see what’s going on. I hope it’s a good day for Jodi she seemed so upset yesterday I felt bad for her.

  65. I was watching Nancy Space last night, She wasn’t there, so it wasn’t as bad, but at the bottom of the screen it said due to threathing emails and tweets,that the D.V. expert was taken to the hospital. Does anybody have any info on this?

  66. Can anyone explain to me why Flores has to be at the prosecution table every single day? What is the purpose? He sits there and does nothing on a daily basis. Can’t he do some police paper work at a desk at police HQ or something?
    I really don’t understand why he’s there.

  67. Regarding the question about ALV smiling at Jodi – Alyce smiles at EVERYONE – she has even smiled at JM. She is a friendly, warm, caring person.

    • She said she loves people, knows a lot of people and has lots of friends. She is just a very compassionate woman. I kills me to see how she is now compared to how she was when she first took the stand. 🙁

  69. ALV is sitting so stoically …I wonder WHY? Lord forbid she glance in the WRONG direction!

  71. Poor Jodi, she needs some sunshine. How much weight has she lost?
    I’ll never believe that she by herself dragged Travis’s dead body to the shower. There is simply no way she did that. I challenge every women here of Jodi’s size to try dragging 200 pounds of dead weight any distance at all. Hell I even challenge a lot of men to try it.
    I truly don’t think people understand how much strength that takes.

  73. Oh, a juror GRAPHICALLY listing the wounds:ok we got it,you’re watching HLN dude!!!

    • Esp. using the words “close to 30” or something to that effect, has been used and overused at hln constantly.

  76. Goodmorning friends! !!!! Getting up a little later today so I haven’t had time to go over today’s comments, yet. But maybe court will start late, like always and ill have like an hr or so to read.

    I also said a prayer for BOTH the defense team and THE JURY. I wast that excited about the questions yesterday. I cant understand why they keep asking these questions like they do. Or iv mentioned before can it be the way the judge resds them?????????

    There was a question yesterday that she read that made angry. She asked the question like she LIKED that they were asking that question, idk with an attitude. Ill try to go back and post what part of the video it is, you guys have to see what im mean.

    Goid day, everyone! !! :))

    • I think this is a sham. Cant they see that the Jury, or at least some members have been watching television or the media? WHY is this still going on.
      I say call it a freaking day, the Judge had caused the Circus tent to cave in with her terrible running of the show.

      Also… someone catch Martinez – its time to feed the lions.

  81. The question about whether or not her opinion would have changed is an important one. That should help calm jurors.

  82. its clear to me the jurors asking the question not only dislike Jodi but they dislike and do not trust AL

  83. These questions are sounding like this jury wants to convict Jodi and is looking for any reason to do it. I could be very wrong and I really hope I am but this is not a reasonable doubt jury.

    • Completely agree Joe. I am not hearing anything this morning that would lead me to believe they are trusting anything ALV has said. And with what I am hearing, there is no way, based upon the prosecution and defense questions and evidence presented, the jury came up with these questions. Someone is watching something somewhere. Nurmi was dead on when he indicated it is a fallcy to think no one is watching TV. These questions prove just the opposite.

    • I agree. They are more concerned about Alyce possibly touching Jodi or buying her stuff than they are about her work experience and understanding of domestic violence.

      They seem to be stereotyping her as an aggressive lesbian, too.

  86. Hi All.. after lurking all week I have to commend you all for your insights, compassion and truth.

    I cannot believe what a kangaroo court this is! JM is an abusive, mean small minded man. He has overcharged Jodi whithout any evidence of premeditation.

    I believe there is involvement of the roommates in this as well as Jodi being fearful for herself and her family.

    Hoping for some intelligence on the jury!

    • Hi Pat! I too believe that the roommates are hiding something. Not recognizing the foul stench of decomp is one thing, but the smell would have been weird enough to prompt any reasonable person to investigate.

  87. Did the jury not take any notes? Most of the questions are issues covered during testmony.

      • I too was wondering what the hell these idiot jurors were doing all the days Alyce was speaking! The questions are practically a recap, edited version of what she’s already covered.

        sirlips, your point of anyone of us being being in a trial and at the mercy of a load of folks like those on this jury is frightening! But spot on!

  88. UUUUUGGGHHHHHHH Have these people listened to ANYTHING Alyce explained to them? Have these people had such perfect lives that they can’t apply their experiences with Jodi’s.

  89. The question about her touching Jodi, border on inappropriate, and point at (almost) sexual innuendo. They are irrelvant, and also almost abusive towards the defendant. This is why I stopped watching the trial, it gets me going and I lose my shit before lunchtime.

    • It sounds like Jury is online so they know ALV is a lesbian and are following up the way JM did with Samuels:-(

      • I didn’t know ALV is a lesbian. Where did that information come from? I only know she was a single mother and raised 2 children. Are her children adopted?

  90. Is it me or is the Judge allowing duplicate questions to be asked? This sounds like a replay of the questions that were asked yesterday.

    • This happened last time too — it could be similar questions from different jury member. Not sure why they aren’t culled down!

  91. fearful behavior for DV?? They do not seem to get it. That is the whole problem you feel that you cannot leave.

    • Yes women don’t leave BECAUSE they are afraid.

      Likewise, Travis attacked Jodi during the most dangerous time for a DV victim; when she was moving on with her life and getting back to her old self.

      • I’m still in my situation for this exact reason. I’m too afraid to rock my boat. It is the path of least resistance for me, for now. I’m learning to follow the Al Anon lifestyle of detaching with love and stepping out of his way. Since grasping their concept’s it’s made all the difference in my world.

    • Does Jodi seem upset again? Sorry for asking but I can’t watch right now. I can only bring the feed up for a few minutes I’m at work.

    • I know renee I hate to think that but Jodi will have many reasons to appeal due to handling of this trial. It has been a 3 ring circus.

  96. Why are there so many questions where Jodi supposedly is the Abuser???Why bring the same kind of question up over and over??The judge should have considered them duplicates.And WHAT have they NOT got???Jodi the abuser????WTF?I’m devastated.Why arent they more concerned about LEARNING what Domestic Violence really is?

    • I know because it could persuade other jurors to thinking “everyone thinks this” could make them feel like they have to agree with them

  99. I wish I knew how many jurors these questions represent. No looking good. I wish the defense could prove one item that the jury asked about not in evidence.

  100. yes coldcase, I thought he told Jodi or someone about another woman who he referred to as a stalker..also WHO SLEEPS WITH THEIR STALKER????????????????? Like he was “so afraid”..what the hell

    • It was Deanna, and again… a woman who was “wierd” and woudlnt let go… but who came and went in his house like she owned it. (The Jodi baking cookies and Deanna comes in and goes up to Trav’s room story)

      • Thanks Shan, thought I heard something about that…TA had a pattern of calling women “stalkers” just to boost his ego IMO

  101. So far these questions look bad to me 🙁 One of the lawyers suggested that those asking these ?s will be most vocal in deliberations. I am very worried 🙁

  102. Geez they do not even understand what stalking really is about. I actually thought that no reasonable person could believe TA on that.

  103. I would keep hitting on the facts in the Hughe’s emails regarding Jodi and TA. If your BFFs are saying those things…are they lying too??

    • what I don’t under stand is why bother ask questions if you don’t believe her in the first place? the way most are phrased it doesn’t seem as if the answers will change their minds. most of th e people asking the questions don’t seem to be on the fence so to speak.

  107. This jury thinks of Travis a a Mormon Saint that did no wrong. They have sucked the Kool-Aid down and are bathing in it. Minds are made up. HLN is dancing in the streets.

  109. I was really hoping (praying) that dismissed Juror #5 was the one asking al the nasty questions but now it is clear that some other jurors must be asking them. And I agree with maria and others…why is the judge asking the same question (with slight differences) over and over again…

    • The only thing I could figure out on this is that maybe they don’t want a juror to feel like their question was ignored. If three jurors ask the same question & they tossed two of them out it might irritate the other two jurors. I may be totally wrong but I can’t think of any other reason they would ask the same thing over & over.

  110. So many questions here appear to me they do not believe Jodi or ALV. This has we worried. They seem to be feeling that TA was the victim of stalking abd abuse. I am referring to everything up to the killing. This has me really concerned.

  111. These questions really do seem like they are looking for a reason to convict her, and I am guessing it has to do with the nature of the killing. If he was just shot, there would not be this backlash.

    • I agree they are going just on the amount of wounds not on how he could happen. They seem to not even care or truly listen to ALV and throw away her 35 years of experience. I still think some have listened to the media.

  112. Man, these questions are horribly biased. 🙁 I hope these jurors are instructed on what their job is when they deliberate, such as looking at facts, not feelings.

  114. hey did you guys hear LaViolette was taken to the ER because of online mob attacks???? my goodness, this is just WRONG!

    • Yes we did and that makes me sad and angry what the lynch mob has done to this wonderful woman.

    • Kermit has to be extrmely happy this morning. With what I am hearing, they are eating up every word he says and basically ignoring JW. This is totally unbelievable. ALV appears to be somewhat pro-TA this morning and not supporting Jodi at all. Could she be playing to the social media attacks? This is just wrong.

    • I dont get it,it’s like they blindly follow Martinez without taking the time to LISTEN to the other side,experts and testimonies.These questions simply ECHO Martinez’ shit!
      We’re in trouble…

  118. Yay, I’m glad she was allowed to explain by law she wasn’t allowed to interview TA family.

  119. I hope that I am not the only one who blame Sherry Stephens for most of this court room bullshit.

    She is supposed to provide fair jurisdiction over the room and has not.

    She is not in control.
    THis is a goddamned joke.

    If the roles were reversed and this was going on I would feel the same way. There is no justice being done for the victim, or the defendant, and the fact that she is not getting a fair trial because the Judge cant seem to do her damn job really pisses me off.

    I am just telling you all how I REALLY FEEL!!!!!

    • I feel the same way Shan72. I think I can be a better FAIR judge than her. I wonder if she knows who Judge Judy is? LOL

  120. Is it me or do any of you feel like you have to re-listen to these questions? Double take! What the heck is going on with these jurors?

  121. Some jurors obviously like Martinez’s hypotheticals and “secondary gain.” They’re are using his words. I wouldn’t be surprised to hear a juror “Object” to one of Alyce’s comments at any time.

  122. OHHH and the judge totally forgot to ask the jurors if they’ve seen anything in the media like she normally does.

  123. All of JM’s insinuations and hypotheticals are being taken as truth…his snaky moves that were objected to by the defense and overruled by the judge have seeped in deep 👿

  124. Awesome question about whether or not she’d take the case, and whether she’d stop in the middle after taking it!

  125. what the fuck does her continuum have to do with this case?????????? WHO GIVES A FLYING FUCK IF ITS COMPLETE OR NOT??????? ITS A TRAINING IMPLEMENT FOR SHIT’S SAKE!!!!!

    • Joe I think ALV isn’t getting pissed, just exhausted and in utter disbelief at the ignorance of this jury!

      • Yes Lynn,she looks totally dissapointed actually.Imagine figting for battered women out there for 35 years and realizing there are STILL people who dont get it and are as narrow-minded as in the 1800s!!

    • I think she is just being “matter of fact”…indicating impartiality…the jury has misread her emotive personality and I think she is trying to avoid any emotion at all.

  127. So, the jury THINKS the story of when she told TA about the other woman coming into the restaurant, BS??

    ALV then answered and said, it wasn’t BS. They are thinking it was BS???

    • Not sure, here, but my impression is that the story is being referred to as “BS story” because that may be the terminology used by TA in the body of the IM,/email (whichever) that is being referred to. That is, he probably ACCUSED Jody of making up a” BS story” in the process of hurling a litany of taunting invectives at Jody in one of those rants that was captured electronically and has been marked as evidence and which has been reviewed by ALV that she was not allowed to quote from. Sounds like Jody was calling him out on seeing Lisa and he was trying to deny it by gaslighting her and trying to convince her that it was just a “BS story” from her imagination.
      I do not know this, but that is my take on it.

  128. From these questions, a least one juror or more is watching hln or reading things on the internet. Where is the testimony that she hacked his myspace. I don’t remember any.

      • Well, if it was not, the defense will bring it up and ask where the info came from.

        • I THOUGHT that the two of them had exchanged passwords on each other’s accounts due to jealousy/mistrust issues to create an atmosphere of transparency, so to speak, in order to possibly avoid future disagreements and accusations with regard to interactions with other males/females perceived as threatening to their exclusivity of their relationship. (In the beginning, before they stopped being exclusive?) I do not recall if I got this idea from Jodi’s testimony or from some other source. Perhaps it was even a conclusion I creatively arrived at by combining bits and pieces of real data. Take it with a shaker of salt. (Never DID understand that grain of salt adage…but YKWIM)

    • I don’t remember anything being said about her ‘hacking’ into his myspace or anything else. WTH?? We know where that is coming from for sure! I hope the defense picked up on that.

      • No, I definitely do NOT recall testimony of hacking activity or ability; but DO recall as Marguerite mentions above, her inadvertantly and unpleasantly discovering surprising things TA was up to, more than once, when hitting back button on his electronic device when having to borrow his device for her own use…

  129. This trial as Mistrial written all over it and since that’s not happening the defense can appeal their ass’s off. This is a really corrupt and lying jury and that starts at the Judge and to the prosecutor.

    • I’m starting to believe the judge and jury are invited to Martinez’s house every Sunday evening for dinner and drinks – and a strategy session. Sex is optional.

  130. Some of the questions by the jury sound like they are seeking advice for themselves. Like, “uuhhh, I have this friend….” 🙂

    • LOL Frannie-
      i thought the same thing. Some of the Q’s sounded like someone trying to figure out if they were in an abusive relationship ie: the one about a day long argument being abusive.

      • TR and Frannie, I thought the SAME thing!
        And I thought, geez, if you’ve got a personal question, can’t you research it on your OWN time and dollar?! There were a couple questions like that to Dr Samuels, I thought, too. 😛
        At least such questions would imply a sense of trust in and respect for the expertise of the witness, though, so NOT necessarily a BAD thing. lol

        OTOH :neutral, if there is a juror experiencing DV, it is not a laughing matter.

  131. “Is it possible for two people to be abusive to each other?” SERIOUSLY??! What is the age limit to be on a jury in Arizona?!

  132. Wow seems like JM did erase everything that ALV did. I guess I should not be too surprised though no one believe me.

  133. Did I just hear that question right??? Are they actually making an excuse for Travis saying it’s hot that Jodi sounds like a 12 year old?

  135. Has anyone tried to ask the questions the judge is asking in their own voice/ tone? ??
    I have, try to ask yourselves some of these questions in your own voice/tone, it makes a BIGGGGG difference to me. Does it to anyone else or am I delusional? ??

  136. Wow so they think the 12 year old comment is not disturbing. I am so sick and sad about this.

  138. Those early and constant lies by Jodi are going to get her convicted. Along with the ‘No jury will convict me’ statement.
    The jury is going to be vindictive instead of fair and impartial.

  139. Wow I do not understand why people think the 12 year old comment is ok??? How about the corking???

  140. no there was no sexual degradation…..”I want to tie you to a tree and fuck you up the ass…” – not degrading at all……… ARE YOU KIDDING ME???

      • Best answer, If I didn’t believe she was abused, I wouldn’t taken the case! Jodi has 2 experts, her lawyer, and collaborating evidence on side. , Isn’t this enough for judge’s instruction?

  143. I thought the last few questions I just heard were quite reasonable and intelligent.

    We have to remember that the jury needs to remain impartial, and examine both sides of the case.

    • I agree. I am feeling good about today so far.

      Some of the jurors questions make me think WTF! but overall I get the feeling that they want to understand and want more info.

  145. maybe “Deanna” didn’t let TA talk about being tied to a tree etc…Jodi was vulnerable..TA took advantage of that and used her!!!! And was Deanna Mormon? Just courious

  146. They say ignorance is bliss . . . I am getting too upset. I will check in later but this looks so bad I can’t stand it.

  148. OMFG! MORE QUESTIONS? Are these jurors hell bent on bleeding this woman dry or are they just idiots? What MORE can she possibly say that she hasn’t already?

  150. I don’t see all the questions as bad. It seems to me they are trying to clear up points that M has distorted. I really liked how well Alyce did before going to sidebar for the next set of jury questions.

  153. It seems to me eventhough it is 2013 people still cannot understand DV. No one believed me even my dearest friends.

    • I am so sorry AJ. ♥
      I am also so glad you are a survivor and a part of this site and I am very thankful for the degree of enlightenment you have been providing. (((AJ)))

      And of all the kitty fur children here, I think yours has the most intelligent look of equanimity!

      • Aww Ty for saying that. :Grin: I was concerned if I was annoying everyone for telling too much from my past. I only do it to help explain. Hehe my kitty is a sneaking one and sometimes I think she is smarter than me. 😆 I love all the furry family members posted here. You have a very sweet furry friend. It brings a smile to my face :mrgreen:

    • You are so right. She has a pissy attitude. Understandable giving what just happened but this could not play well with the jury either. They may take offense to her attitude in response to their questions.

  160. My son (as a teenager) has backed me into a door, has held my hands back. He is not an abuser….

    • My son when he was 12 took a swing at me..I was taking TKD at the time..defused the situation..horomoes…a lot of parents go thru little scraps w/teens and pre-teens.. I know I gave my Mom hell when I turned 13..jury has no common sense of reality!

  161. i wish the jurors who clearly dont believe AL would bother asking. its like they want the other jurors to think about why the questioned was asked. they dont care about the answer . like they are sending a msg

    • Brenda, I fear that too. But, then, I put myself in the shoes of that quiet juror that gets it, and how annoyed I would be at other juror for wasting our time by showboating with repeat questions, and how it would give me time to start preparing devil’s advocate scenarios for them…. just hopin!

    • An apt description, Joe.

      I’m still waiting for one “friendly” or even one none biased question? Just one.
      I think Jodi would do better with an intelligent jury. This one appears to have some real low level “hating tendencies.” I probably wouldn’t want any of them as my neighbors. But, I’ve been wrong before (I know, it is hard to believe), so maybe they will surprise me. For Jodi’s sake, I sure hope so.

  165. GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE! 😀 Okay, I watched only and short amount yesterday aft and am watching now and the questions do see pro-pros, However….. it seems to me they are being asked FOR the prosecution to hear and understand. Many are ‘common sense,’ and I am getting the feeling that those asking them are asking them to satisfy those (like prosecution and TA family) so that perhaps they can have a better understanding of whatever the verdict will be. They have to be thorough to do their jobs. As someone pointed out yesterday (wish I could remember who) if they had made up their minds – they would not even ask questions. Keep the Faith, Team Jodi (Team Justice)! 😀

    • I was ‘kicked off’ right after that last statement and couldn’t watch or post. I’m back now and just wanted to say (if anyone hears me) that I still believe that we all need to keep the faith.

    • I saw a comment under a photo of Jennifer walking down the street in her suit wearing flats; some idiot wrote something like, “I guess Wilbur waits until she gets in the courtroom to put her slut spike heels on!” Insinuating 1) That Jennifer Willmott is FAT, and 2) That she’s a slut… Bitch, you’re just jealous because Jennifer has more beauty and class in her PINKY NAIL than you do in your WHOLE FUCKING BODY! Go get your eyes checked, you moron!

      • I saw her in those flip flops. She was as cute as a bug in a rug. Flip flops and a suit. You gotta love it. Nurmi was carrying Jodi’s cleaning.

    • i think jurors have made up their mind. i would bet the verdict will take 2 hours if that

          • No, peeps!!!
            There are 17 of them and we are only hearing from the loud-mouth snarky ones. The same kind of trash that jump to faulty conclusions incited by emotional reactivity untempered by a proper sense of reason. Their dander is all whipped up because they cannot help but respond to the emotionality and sense of outrage that JM uses to peddle his mirages.
            But, think, for a minute: we all know what it is like to sit quietly and to bear witness to the nonsensical hate and irrational ideas flying around on those hater sites. I have to believe that there are one or more jurors who are hearing these same questions being posed by their peers and saying to themselves, “WTF? Are you nuts? Haven’t you listened to the EVIDENCE? ” and thinking “Gee, THAT is a snarky question…” and thinking “It IS GROSS to think of corking a twelve-year-old…” They may be in a minority, but they have to BE there the same way WE were not carried along with all that thoughtless mob mentality around us, and wound up here.
            There has gotta be a Sirlips on the jury! At least ONE! Take heart!!!!

      • That we can be sure of .. hopefully there is at least Some intelligence in the jurors..that they see through his shit.. it won’t be for want of trying on Jennifer’s part.

        But the saying, ”you can take a horse to water but you can’t make it drink” has come to mind..

    • But is ANYONE on that Jury listening to her? Based upon the last 2 days of question, I have to question that.

  172. Angela
    He did that in another trial, the Lawyer stated at JMS closing arguments he suddenly came up with a theory that never existed. He is a known sneak and liar and the defense has to be on top of that, there is no evidence Travis liked Cameron Diaz or Charlies Angels, that I ever heard of little things like that add up, he twist facts adds stuff subtracts does not allow witnesses to speak, and screams incessantly.He accuses others of being liars or manipulative he is a master manipulator he will accuse others of what he is he always seeks DP.

  175. Was Juror #5 there at the beginning of ALV Testimony? I cannot remember. I wonder if any of those questions were hers if left in?

  177. Oh, crap. I can’t watch the trial right now, but based on your posts…I’m beginning to panic! =(

  178. I’m a like 10 min behind and from reading all your comments I can’t wait to see JW ask questions LOL

  179. Me thinks these dudes on the jury call their women whores, sluts, three-hole wonders…

    • I suggest on those points the point is made, “how would you feel if your daughter was being called those names by her boyfriend?”

      • That would be really powerful.But then again you know Martinez would come up with the ”How would you feel if your son was brutally murdered like TA?” shit!

    • and believe they need to be barefoot and pregnant slapping the laundry on the rocks by the creek….

      • And when done slapping the laundry be expected to slap the red the red pecker at the drop of the fly.

    • Right. This is the same area where Travis was emboldened to treat women like whores.

      Should it surprise me? No.

      I guess I was hoping Travis was the minority in AZ.

  180. I don’t know how or what all is involved with getting a re-trial but if this verdict ends up being what I’m afraid it’s going to be it would seem there are grounds for a retrial.

    • That was a message to alll haters out there for having destroyed Jodi’s and ALV’s reputation!

      • Exactly. That’s what I’m glad they sort of laughed about it. I do feel extremely bad for them though. Especially AL. She looks so worn down. 🙁

        • She does indeed… But I’m so proud of her for hanging in there and refusing to let JM tell her how she “should” advocate for Jodi! I think Alyce looked beautiful in that blue top today; it was the exact color of her eyes, and she had a little more color in her cheeks today than yesterday. 🙂

          • Sometimes, I get to thinking about life and the human condition and all of that, and you know, reviewing my past and sorting things out, and trying to make sense of injustices in the world and the part I play and you play and every individual plays in the whole scheme of things, and I usually wind up consoling myself that even though I am not going to win a Nobel prize, if I can just manage to leave this world a little better instead of a little worse, I am okay with my choices. I look at an individual like ALV and think how she has lived her life and how she lives it every day, you can tell by her attitude, she is one of those among us who greatly affects the balance sheet of the human condition in a very, very positive way. She comes as close to pure integrity as is humanly possible in my book. She is an icon.

  182. I truly believe that ALV would have never taken this case unless she truly thought Jodi was innocent and a victim of DV. She comes across far too honest to me.

    • Yes. She’s been helping people for sooo long, she doesn’t have the pattern of someone that could lie for 8 days

      • Agree! There would be no reason for Alyce to mislead or lie. Her honesty is almost painful at times, and I mean that in a good way.

        I feel she’d be the first one to say JA had a habit of lying or deceit if that was her assessment. Or back when she was getting the info she would have been upfront with the DT and said I have nothing to offer you based on my initial assessment.

        Alyce would have no reason in the world to step into this viper’s nest with JM.

    • Of course she wouldnt have!She’s not a fame whore like that 3 year-old experience rookie of the Pro,looking to build a career out of Jodi’s case.ALV is an established expert,a pioneer she has NOTHING to prove!

  183. My husband and I had a terrible situation when we were young, we went camping with a Mormon couple camping. The wife was seven months pregnant, they got into a fight, and he started hitting her, and threw her into the picnic table. My husband jumped into stop it, the Mormon man told him to back off, his wife was his property and he could do what he wanted. That never left me, I’m not trying to stir up a religion discussion, and I’m not dumb where I believe all Mormon men believe that, but I’m wondering if perhaps women are looked at as second class citizens. Maybe for some on the jury, this behavior of Travis was fine, he is a man and can do what he wants with the women. Something sure is wrong with these comments. And WTH does corking mean?

    • Leah the last comment I can’t even repeat, but it refers to taking away a woman’s / or prob in TA’s mind a young girls virginity…that verbage (sp)makes me ill….

      • Thank-you, I’m disgusted, again, maybe this kind of talk is accepted. I find it hard to believe since there are older folks on the jury. I’m waiting for one of the questions to be “how do you know it was Travis that wrote the emails/IM, and not Jodi, maybe she was really the one who wrote them.”

        • I’m not old (much, lol), and that kind of talk is definitely NOT accepted, welcomed, or condoned… And I don’t know a single person 18+ who would consider it even REMOTELY okay, either. Matter of fact, most MEN I know would beat the living shit out of any other “man” who used that type of language about a female! Some things are just plain WRONG to say, no matter if you’re 2 or 122!

    • At first I thought they misheard “porking” but according to urban dictionary, corking is a crude term for intercourse.

    • murphlind
      Utah Statistics are Among the Highest in the Nation for Depression, Rape, Child Abuse, and Pornography!!!
      Utah (which is approximately two-thirds LDS) should have the lowest rates of crime, divorce, child abuse, and pornography, Instead they have the highest statistical rates in the nation!In 2005, Utah had 32,203 total referrals for child abuse and neglect. Of those, 21,052 reports were referred for investigation. In 2005, 8,173 children were substantiated or indicated as abused or neglected in Utah, a rate of 17.7 per 1,000 children, and representing a 3.4% decrease from 2004. Of these children, 20.7% were neglected, 14.7% were physically abused, and 19.3% were sexually abused. In 2005, 10 children died as a result of abuse or neglect in Utah. In 2005, 2,285 children in Utah lived apart from their families in out-of-home care, compared with 2,108 children in 2004. In 2005, 22.5% of the children living apart from their families were age 5 or younger, and 27.4% were 16 or older. Of the children in out-of-home care in 2005, 63.5% were white, 4.7% black, 22.5% Hispanic, 5.7% American Indian/Alaskan Native, and 3.5% children of other races and ethnicities. Divorces per 1,000 Population Utah-4.60 MA-2.40 NY -3.20 NJ-3.0 Murder per 100,000 Pop. Utah-3.90 NH-1.70 IO-1.70 ND-0.90 Rape per 100,000 Pop. Utah-42.70 NY -23.70 CA-33.40 VA-27.20 *Source US Census Bureau
      Antidepressant drugs are prescribed in Utah more often than in any other state, at a rate nearly twice the national average. Other states with high antidepressant use were Maine and Oregon. Utah’s rate of antidepressant use was twice the rate of California and nearly three times the rates in New York and New Jersey, the study showed. Few here question the veracity of the study, which was a tabulation of prescription orders, said Dr. Curtis Canning, president of the Utah Psychiatric Assn. “In the LDS church, there is a social expectation and women suppression with the males dominating the females who are expected to put on a mask, say ‘Yes’ to everything that comes at her and hide the misery and pain. It’s called the ‘Mother of Zion’ syndrome. The study did not break down drug use by sex. But according to statistics from the National Institute of Mental Health, about twice as many women as men suffer from depressive disorders.Discussion of the issue inevitably falls along Utah’s traditional fault lines. Some suggest that Utah’s unique Mormon culture–70% of the state’s population belongs to the church–requires perfection and the public presentation of a happy face, whatever may be happening privately. The argument goes that women in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints are beset by particular pressures and are not encouraged to acknowledge their struggles or suppression. “Look around, you can easily find people who take them. I think it’s the cultural environment,” said Helen Wright, whose three grown children also take antidepressants. “Most men here would just as soon their wives take pills than bother to delve into the problems, and maybe find out they might have something to do with the problems.” Utah also leads the nation in the use of narcotic painkillers such as codeine and morphine-based drugs, the study found. “It’s like HappyValley here,” Cindy Mann said, describing the SaltLakeValley. “It’s a scary place sometimes. People don’t talk about their problems. Everything is always rosy. That’s how we got ourselves into this mess–we’re good at ignoring things.”
      Nearly half of the 131 women killed between 1994 and 1999 in Utah were slain by husbands or boyfriends, according to a report released by state health department officials. They urged judges, prosecutors and clergy to pay more attention to the signs of domestic violence and to intervene before it escalates. USA Today.

        • Oliverio-

          Murphlind loves Stuarts posts on Amazon and is looking forward to obtaining some of his book recommendations, once the trial is over and “murphlind” has more time.

    • Since most religions tend to treat women in a subordinate way, I tend not to single out any one for their treatment of women.

      But yeah. For all that I’ve heard that the Mormon faith shouldn’t be on trial – you know what, maybe it should. Because TA’s other victims don’t feel free to come forward with the truth that could help Jodi, that alone is cause for me to pause and reflect about how shitty the women must be treated by that faith.

      I will certainly not be looking at Mormon missionaries the same way again. Missionaries on bikes better pass up my house, that’s for fucking sure.

      • MB I agree. Here are a couple I had pulled out before the system crash

        “The president of Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary stands as a not-so-shining example of such white-washed misogyny. When the Atlanta Journal Constitution asked Paige Patterson about women, he replied, “Everyone should own at least one.”

        This is why Jimmy Carter left the Baptist Church. Here is a quote from him

        “the former president called the decision “unavoidable” after church leaders prohibited women from being ordained and insisted women be “subservient to their husbands.”

        And here is an absolute gem from http://www.catholicplanet.com/women/roles.htm

        “Women have become political leaders, religious leaders, heads of corporations and other organizations, even soldiers and law enforcement officers.Such is the teaching of our culture. But it is not the teaching of Christ.

        “Let a woman learn in silence with all submissiveness. I permit no woman to teach or to have authority over men; she is to keep silent.” (1 Tim 2:11-12)

        God did not give women a place, in the Church, the family, or society, to teach men or to have authority over men. ”

        So as you can idiocy has no particular boundaries and that asinine stupidity can be found in people of all religions, races, ethnicities, sexes, nationalities and sects.

      • LOL MB. I just told a freind of mine the same thing the other day. Probably wouln’t let the white shirt and tie fool me anymore.

  185. I expected degradation to have encompassed when she was thrown a toblerone on the ground after hed had sex with her outside, because that’s degrading.

    • Why hasnt JW recently referred to that?This was a despicable action on TA part.It would make a good impact on the jurors to listen to it again.

    • I cried at that point of her testimony.

      Dude threw her CANDY as a reward for sucking his dick.

      How sick and disgusting, that he treated her like an adolescent to be rewarded with gifts for sex acts.

      Ugh!!!!

      • He shot her in the face multiple times, IIRC… She only got ONE shot off into his. Doesn’t seem very fair. And no, I’m not being flippant.

  187. This whole trial has been about manipulation…..Prosecutorial manipulation, to be specific.

  188. Jenny’s PISSED.. you can tell. And JM’s got her so aggravated, she’s getting flustered. I feel bad for her.. but it sure is adorable! 😉

    • Maybe she should get up there scream, rant, pace, throw things, put down AL and then maybe the Jury will listen.

  190. It’s like the The Crucible
    I am speechless and disgusted with humanity
    right now.

  191. Hi all, new poster here and not always was a Jodi supporter. However, the information and comments on this site has made me think outside the box. The box being the nauseating bias media. I don’t for one second think any of them are as fervently against Jodi as they appear but merely have selfish personal agenda’s that they think will promote themselves.
    That said, and looking ahead, I can only wonder who next will receive an unfair trial (understatement) and how justice can be served with the cr@p allowed in *this* trial. Obviously, the mob is winning public support so who will they victimize next?

    One last thing, Nancy Grace and her ilk should be legally accountable for all the lies and distortions they’ve presented. Until that happens they’re all going to continue on their rampage. This is why I believe trials should not be broadcast.

  192. This case is destroying my soul, my hope, my child-wonder, and my love for people.

    Before this case, I would NEVER drink during the day.

    But I found myself just now, at 12:28 pm, running to the liquor store during this ten minute recess.

    There are many people who think like the Taliban, and Kermi.

    Let’s remember, there are also those who think like WE do.

    Lets pray one of these 17 are like us.

    • But Renee,the world needs you.We need you. Your kind but tough soul will prevail !Never give up..Dont let them win!!Please dont change.

    • I agree Renee I feel much like you do. I do not see how Jodi is holding up this well. I am a mess today. I feel like people are just mocking DV and are not even trying to understand. I really thought we had made progress but this case is telling the world it ok to abuse and women/men should just suck it up. In the light of so many young people taking their own lives I am afraid it just going to get worse. I guess they are just telling us today that poor Jodi should have just let TA kill her.

      Sorry to all for being so depressed over this but this case has gotten to me.

  194. I have had an active hour or so reporting abusive posts as libellous, and generally telling the other side of the story,

    It feels good!

  196. It’ll turn out just fine. The jury are asking questions that push a bit, but they will be reasonable. They don’t have to listen to Jane Valez or Nancy Grace or Drew’s jurors screech all evening…………and who on earth in a room with JM, doesn’t cringe…

  197. I’m glad that Alyce was able to say that she by law could not interview Travis’ family.(I never knew that)Did she say she couldn’t interview just family or did she say family AND friends?

    • Linda, I’m glad too…I hope the jury realizes that this fact is important, she based her opinion on the recordings and electronic communication that were supplied to her…she DECIDED to take the case on her education and knowledge of domestic abuse, and what was given to her to make that assessment plain and simple. Who knows! The violence imposed on Jodi by Travis may have been FAR worse!

  199. I was just able to get back on the site. I got booted off and could not get back in for the past half hour. Is JW asking questions now?

  200. I’ve been stuck on a white page & got scared I was banned for some reason… YIKES!

    Now, this testimony: DOESN’T TASTE TOO GOOD HAVING TO SWALLOW ALL THE SHIT THAT YOU YOURSELF FIRST SHOVELED OUT, DOES IT, MR. MARTINEZ?!?!?

    GO JENNIFER AND GO ALYCE!!!

  201. This trail has stressed me out,
    made me emotional & now i feel sick and disgusted
    at the way people are being treated with narrow-minded
    bullies and the witch hunt mentality is just brutal.

    Something awful happened that night that made
    Jodi snapped. She’s not a serial killer and she I really
    do not feel she’s evil.
    I am a rational person of compassion and the only thing
    I can say that has been a blessing is ALV, Dr Samuels
    Nurmi, JW
    These people truly are kind and decent people
    and i have learned so much from them

    It’s rare to find kindred spirits in such a hateful universe
    we are all in

    Just remember the truth will always set us free
    and love will always triumph over evil

    Sad the same thing happened to Lindy Chamberlein
    Watch A Cry in the Dark
    you would think we would have evolved by now

    Just have faith everyone
    You guys are awesome!!!

  203. Hi everyone. I am not from the U.S. and I actually am not really that knowledgeable about court, trials, etc. I looked up some information about the criminal appeal process in AZ but I still have a couple questions related to the appeal process. I know many of you are knowledgeable about these things so I hope someone is able to help me out.

    Are the judges on the panel generally more experienced (ex- experience with murder and death penalty cases)?
    Would JM get to argue why the jury’s decision should be upheld, or is it just Jodi’s attorneys making an argument for why it should be overturned?

    • Assuming you’re talking about a plenary appeal at the AZ Supreme Court level, I’ll take a stab. Note: There are several types of appeal and several stages to a death penalty case though.

      “Are the judges on the panel generally more experienced (ex- experience with murder and death penalty cases)?”

      More experienced than this judge? Not necessarily. If they’re been on the appellate court for some time, they would most likely have been on the panel for multiple death penalty appeals before because those cases are always appealed. If they’re relatively new to the appellate court, then they may have no experience. Note: Appellate judges are generalists, not specialists, in any practice of the law. In other words, they may have come from any type of law practice (e.g., mergers and acquisitions), and they may have been on the bench of a lower court handling a completely different type of law (e.g., family law), so they’re not specialists in criminal law by any means.

      Appeals are really all about the briefs, with a few minutes of oral arguments (if allowed). They are decided based on interpretation of previous application of the law, in general.

      “Would JM get to argue why the jury’s decision should be upheld, or is it just Jodi’s attorneys making an argument for why it should be overturned?”

      Yes he would. The way it works is Jodi would file a brief on the issues. Then, the state would file an answer brief. Then, Jodi would file a reply brief (replying ONLY to the state’s points in their answer brief). Then, oral arguments would be scheduled. And then, the court would decide to affirm the lower court’s judgment or remand it back for trial etc.

      • Thanks a lot for the info. And I’m sorry, the site has been unavailable for me so I am just getting a chance to reply to you now.

    • I wondered as well, Moni,

      I was stressed without it, so I went to the Taliban site to see what they were saying. Here is a sample:

      Does ALV really think Travis would mention anything about a 12 yr old girl if he didn’t already know it would be ok …WHO WOULD DO THAT ALV ??? come on it was clearly a idea she put in his head along with all the other sexual fantasies that she thinks men like…. He was the one going along with it for her pleasure… Sooooooo mad right now
      I LOVED the question “Have you ever had physical contact/touching Jodi”….they’re thinking what we were…Jodi puts out for testimony.

      What ticks me off the most is the way they twist that 12 year old girl comment Im not buying pedophilia I tell my man all the time that he “sounds like a 11 year old boy having his 1st orgasm or 1st toy” and I only date men over 40 Its a joke foreplay/role-play maybe they should try sometimes it will take that stick Wilmotts & Laviolette’s ass for them to take this phrase out of context is disgusting

      • I’m too sick to my stomach to even comment on that Travis Taliban cult of theirs!!
        Have they ever heard the word ”brainwashed”???

      • “come on it was clearly a idea she put in his head along with all the other sexual fantasies that she thinks men like”

        There is NO proof that Jodi ever instigated or elicited Travis’ statement to her. She was even like “what did you say?” and sounded incredulous.

  209. Jodi is getting so sad thinking about Travis’ wonderful qualities…she so loved that side of him…and so wanted to help him…

  210. hi all, catching on late. Mood seems somber, didn’t get to read all comments, Jodi looks so sad.

  211. Unfortunately even though JW is asking great questions and Alyce is giving good and honest answers, this jury doesn’t want to hear it anymore. Their minds are made up. Travis was a saint and never did anything wrong and Jodi is evil and a three hole wonder who made Travis be a bad boy.

  212. Well, I DON’T like the juror questions at all, so I hope Ms Wilmott is getting these people back on track. Maybe its just one or two of them? We ONLY need one.

  215. Alyce REALLY believes in Jodi.

    She KNEW her career would end with this. She made that comment at the start of her testimony.

    She is 65. She can now retire with her head held high..

  218. Just remember everyone, it only takes 1 juror, we never expected all of them to be smart and see the truth here did we…so just keep positive. Some of these questions are really relevant, ignore the ones that are not.
    I know its hard, I’ve had days I just couldn’t take it, and took a time out…lol. the bottom line is the state has to prove premeditated murder, they are doing everything they can to skirt the issue of it because they can not prove it and they know it! Thats a good thing.
    I hate to see ALV being dogged like this, but it has really nothing to do with the premeditated factor. Thats why JM is focusing on her so hard.

    • I dont want to limit my hopes to just one juror,you know?Coz all I can think of is what if that one juror doesnt get picked?It’s be good to know that the majority of them are in favour of Jodi,but their questions got me all confused.

    • Yes, but that one juror siding with Jodi will have to remain strong, hang on to her/his convictions and NOT be swayed in the end by other jurors. That’s the problem. I was on a jury once and there was one woman hold out. But the power of the other 11 finally swayed her. Sorry. Not to sound so negative.

  219. alright, I’m going to stop watching now that JM is up. Will catch up via this forum later. Best Wishes to you guys! Hopefully JM will screw up big time, and don’t let him get to you! < 3

  224. I not too worried about the jurors questions. At this point in the trial, they are just gathering information . But before the go into deliberations, the judge will give them instructions on reasonable doubt , different verdicts, etc. they will use the information but have to apply it proof beyond reasonable doubt and I think they will be fair .
    What I am concerned about though are Jodi’s tweets. I saw on gma that the tweets have been Verified and that they have been going on for over a month. I know jodi is frustrated and wants her voice to be heard but am I the only jodi supporter who doesn’t think the tweets are a good idea ?

  225. Did anyone hear that; No Ms LV I was not speaking about a person I was speaking about the defendant

      • And now Travis’ friends and family want to finish what Travis started. HLN, Huffpo, Yahoo, ect have decided to get on board with it all.

        But yes, I did catch that “I’m not talking about a person, I’m talking about the defendant.”

        Sickening.

    • Yes, I heard that… 🙁 I can’t wait to see his face when the jury says NOT GUILTY.

    • What a prick!! He has dehumanized her, up until yesterday I never once heard him refer to her by name.

    • Gee, sounds like my mother, except she calls me “a thing”,..OR a deformed embarrassment… 🙁

  226. OVERRULED…OVERRULED….OVERRULED…surprise, surprise, suuuurprise!
    JM is a demon 👿

  228. Mr. Martinez is so annoying…….I sure hope some of these jurors are smart enough to see his manipulative tact in questioning the witnesses. And take into account the facts and evidence presented at this trial and not the “facts” and “evidence” presented the “Juan” way (which is twisted & deceitful).

  229. Afternoon all, I just got home. They weren’t going to let me, my HCT was just 8 after the transfusion Wed night, but I,..or rather, my primary who I called crying, talked them into letting me come home as long as my friend takes me back tomorrow morning-and if its still 8 or under, I won’t fight them.
    Anyways, other than just being tired, I’m fine-that’s pretty much all the time. Going to watch, catch up after she dismisses. Have I missed anything major?

    Oh, and after all that time I spent last night banging my head against the wall, burned my tea, tripped over Sita-all because I was so upset at the haters and trying to reason with them-(JUST on the RULE OF LAW!)-NO MORE!!
    And SJ or MB-I went back to screenshot those comments on yahoo and they were all gone!! It said “there are no comments on this article yet”. I don’t know if it was my iPad, connection, or yahoo. Sorry!

    • Hugs to you, Lainey. ♥
      Is Sita the pretty kitty depicted in your gravatar?

      (((Lainey & Sita)))) (hugs to you both)

      Sure hope your hematocrit improves, I do not think you have missed anything major, today, just more depressing twisting of the facts being dispensed by JM to jurors after some more kind of snarky juror questions,
      But I think there are jurors who are not needing to pose questions who do understand the evidence, it was demoralizing to watch because we are only hearing the questions posed by the loud jurors.

  231. Had the white screen again for a half hour. Twitter traffic must be massive…or I’m just having some bad luck. Are they done for the day?

    • YUCK!! Somehow I get the idea that its so small, he wouldn’t be able to FIND it to play pocket pool…

  233. I think the Twitter traffic is being used tp block “us” from talking……am I just being too paranoid?????

  235. Why did they allow so many repetitive questions? I thought the whole point of yesterday was to eliminate repeat questions? This is rediculous. It’s obvious that not only is JM a fucktard, most of the jury are too. Poor Jodi, I don’t want her to have to go through this again. I would like to know how many of those jurors would want an abusive creep like TA around their daughter? With the type of behaviour he displayed, it was only a matter of time before things ended badly for him. If it had not been Jodi, it would have been the father of one of the women he was abusing, or brother etc.

    TA was a lying, manipulative bastard who, I believe, if there is a heaven, he is not in it. How can anyone “follow” a religion like he did and live such a double life, so contrary to the teachings of that religion. I’d be willing to bet my house that those higher up in the church DID know about his little sexual proclivities, but probably just told him “don’t get caught” They are probably into the kinky stuff as well. They obviously don’t know how to treat or respect women. I love ALV I think she has done a wonderful job, is very believable, and is probably regretting ever taking this case at this point.

    • Agreed,

      But she doesnt regret taking it. She said that on the stand. I think when she took it, she knew the risks, and believed in this case enough to take it.

      Remember her first day, she joked about “if I still have a job when I am done here”

      I admire her so damn much.

      • Me either. I lived in Phoenix for almost 2 years I was never approached by
        a Mormon/LDS member even. But I did live on the very Catholic side of town.
        I also worked at a huge warehouse an never was enticed by one there either.
        I did not even know it was that big there until this trial.

        But you are right I finally found one that did act more Christian which they claim
        they are an had voiced that they need to forgive Jodi as Travis would want them
        too. ( a friend of Travis which was a woman)

        An I think there are at least 2 or 3 on this site that claim they are Mormon/LDS
        an they are at least on here very nice people so I do not lump them all in there
        either being raised a Catholic I for sure know there are Evil people-False Fronts
        in every religion in every type of life that is just a fact of life. The problem is when
        people want to pretend their Religion is Perfect an never admit when there are
        bad people that may pass as good people.

      • What I’d like to know, is why Mormons haven’t come out to protest Travis’ behavior.

        Why, if he is just one sick bastard among a congregation of sane, rational people; have they not done everything they could to tell the world “No, this is not ok, this is not normal, and he shits on our religion.”

        The silence (and frequent defensiveness) from the Mormon community makes me believe that they know this happens a lot, they are just embarrassed by it.

        • Yep that is what I think also. I read somewhere can’t remember if it was
          in here though? that the church in Mesa told the congregation not to
          speak about it either way to remain neutral. But they were not abiding
          by that an going on tv an saying nasty things about Jodi.

          Not sure if that is true. Bella would be able to confirm though as she
          attends that church I think?

        • MB, I don’t even see them embarrassed by any of the TA behavior. I see them as minimizing and not even opening their eyes to the evidence that has been brought out.

          One would think at least one of them would express outward disappointment in being lied to by TA, especially the nonsense of the yarn he spun about being the 30 year old virgin!

          And a question thats bugged me since Guy Searcy was on Greta and commented there are peeps out there who are too afraid to speak up. He stated that on TV so it is public knowledge. Why hasn’t the defense team dragged him back to the stand to say that under oath? Better yet work to to the bottom of what he eluded to on TV?

    • It’s the judge’s fault!!!!! She’s the one who should never allow repeat questions. She’s weak and pro-prosecution. Probably has to work with Martinez a lot and wants to stay on his good side. Pathetic.

    • Judge’s fault for allowing all those repetitive questions!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • In that religion though those slashes an stabs are almost perfect to what a sinner
      needs to be done to spill the blood for the Lord an get into that heaven they claim
      which there are different levels. He won’t be a GOD but he will be a angel in heaven
      according to what I read of their doctrine.

      Now if he had not had all those stabs I do not believe in that Religion that he would
      be in heaven but would be in HELL. Because he was sinning before his death.

    • I love ALV too.

      She is truly an inspiration. I have learned a lot from her and Dr Samuels.

      I’m so mad at the jury right now, I’m imagining them going home and telling their wives to shut up and make them dinner. What other kind of picture can I get in my mind, if they are seriously suggesting that TA calling Jodi a 12 year old is somehow normal.

  237. It seems like they all go into chambers about every day. I wonder why they’re in there now?

  239. He’s looking an even bigger fool than he is already–if that’s even possible. I actually laughed, he was lost for words! 😀

  240. So went over and looked at the jodiannarias twitter site.

    Nothing of any consequence there. Since we know she can’t be doing it herself, whoever is doing it isn’t doing anything harmful, that I can see. For the most part its a bunch of quotes from various people. Did find two I thought would go over well around here
    First one says

    “http://JodiAriasIsInnocent.com … SJ, you’re an angel.”

    and the second one says

    “HLN is an acronym for Haters Love Negativity.”

    • haha those are nice ones. I hope that Donavon is smart enough to know
      not to be putting more fuel on the fire of the haters it is out of control
      already.

    • First tweet sounds like Jodi.
      Second one?I would venture to say Donavan’s words-not Jodi’s.How could Jodi have such a good knowledge as to what exactly goes on in the outseide world to make her comment like that?

      Sorry for my disbelieving,Agent Mulder was my favourite TV character,Trust No one LOL!

    • 😀 someone is reading you all. At least she knows she has some support out there. There must be a lot more people who have not seen or commented on this site who are disgusted with the way this trial is handled and covered by the media, but are silent.

  241. It really boils my blood that they have even an iota of a say-so in what happens to and for this case….

  243. This attitude permeates our society, that “boys will be boys” (per Nancy Grace) and that women use their feminine wiles to weaken men and control them (per Dr. Drew – whom I think needs some serious therapy). The one silver lining around this trial is that it’s bringing all this crap out into the light of day to be examined.

    • They are disgusting, sordid people on HLN.

      I feel for all those patients of Dr. Drew who committed suicide. Now I can understand being treated by a loon tune like him.

      If Alyce LaViolette is murdered by this Travis Hate Mob, I blame Nancy Grace.

      How sick is it to turn the entire world on one woman when Travis’s family and close friends need be the only people there?

      How come Travis’s family doesn’t see HLN profiting on his death like sick vultures? HLN has a lot of nerve calling Jodi names – creating an entire show about her and dedicating an entire day to spewing hatred about her is unethical.

      • Seriously I think Travis’s family loves it. They too are benefiting big
        time off of their brothers death. They have many posts out on FB
        for donations on many things. Disgusting to me. It is not just like
        a donation thing like on here it is like begging over an over again.

    • RB in AZ I have prayed for that all along. As a victim of emotional/sexual abuse I have been through counseling and have seen how truly backwards our society still is. I’m sorry but religion has a lot to do with advocating this. (I have a friend who allows her husband to abuse her in front of her children because the bible says that the man is the head of the house and the woman should trust him and understand that what he does is best for the family.) I talked with her for months about my experiences, gave her numbers to counselors, help groups, forums, etc. where she could go for help. She started going to church. She chose the church’s way and stays with him, because she thinks its the right thing to do. He still abuses her and deals drugs while they live in a house in foreclosure. But he knows what’s best. This is modern America.

      • Yes my abuse from ex-husband was similar to what you are describing. He was high in our church and no one believed me about the abuse when I left. It was mostly emotional and verbal abuse so they did not see the problem. However I stayed a long time in that marriage because I was constantly being told I would go to hell if I left him and that he was in charge and head of the household, Churches love to use that verse to give men the right to act like that but the second part of the verse also states that the husband should treat the wife like Jesus would treat the church. I was kicked out of my church, told I was going to hell and all of my so called friend deserted me. I am still a Christian but I no longer am member of a church. I pray and do all my own bible study at home now. Thankfully I am now married to a sweet and caring man that thinks Similar to me when it comes to religion. I am all for freedom of religion but not at the cost of women being abused and mistreated. I will pray that your friend will find a way out of her abuse. One thing of many things that saddens me so much in this case is that a great portion of the haters claim to be Christians. This is not how Jesus taught us how to behave. They should all be praying for Jodi instead of hating on her IMO.

  245. I now know why I never got along with my stepmother who raised
    me with my father from the age of 6. Until my late 30’s I never really
    liked her but tried to get along for the sake of the family. She was
    a assistant to the prosecutor of a state we lived in for years an
    years. An she actually would grill me over things almost the way
    JM does anything an everything was a lie I had to have the exact
    things to prove to her it was the truth an even then she was still
    suspicious.

    I totally understand now. An to this day she believes
    every defense attorney is a sneaky snake? So now I think that
    can go both ways can it not. A prosecutor demanding everyone
    to believe false truths to put someone to death is a sneaky snake
    also.

    But being raised that way makes me want to see both sides before
    I make a assumption on someone by some false truths because I
    understand how it feels to be berated an grilled over something
    that is not true.

    Good God why can’t people just understand that there are people
    let out of prison all the time that were in there an convicted of something
    they did not do?

    I do not believe Jodi did all that I know she agreed to this Self Defense
    it is possible the shot to the head an the rage of dropping the camera
    to me. But the rest ? she does not know for sure? so how can we?
    Travis laid there for almost 6 days. I just am not so sure others did
    not do something in that room. Wed Thur Fri Sat Sun an finally MON
    at 10 pm some friends show up.

    I hope a few Jurors feel something is wrong here an vote on Acquittal.
    There is too much doubt to give a conviction I would vote anyways.
    Praying for the Jurors to do the right thing for Jodi. Let her GO!

  246. I lost connection with this site for a long time. checking google, there are a lot of haters links out there now trying to silence this site.

    • What???Why cant they just mind their own business??LEAVE US ALONE HATERS!!!

  247. Finally!

    The Travis Hate Mob posted on Amazon that they want to see Alyce LaViolette dead! My review/support for Alyce is under the 4 star reviews with the name, “Dallas Brighton” – don’t laugh, I made up that name years ago.
    Someone with a screen name “mango1806” or similar posted a comment that “yes, I’d like to see her dead”.

    I was asking their Hate Mob to stop this hate.

    They attacked my Twitter account bashing my Catholicism all because I tweeted to Jodi, “Looks like you could use a hug. God Bless.”

    This has to stop before someone else dies.
    This hate is unacceptable!

    I’m crying.

    • ((((((((((((((((((((((((((MentalHealthForShortmanSyndrome))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

    • The thing to do is to report this stuff, and if amazon don’t remove it, tell the, it’s libel, and they are legally liable for it.

      • geebee2 – I emailed a copy to FOX’s The Five. Their commentator, Bob Beckel, is sickened by the massive media coverage. Their legal commentator, Andrea, said Juan Martinez is not displaying proper behavior.

        What else do I do?

        How can I get Amazon to take down ALL those nasty comments about Alyce when dead was clearly threatened?

        🙁

        I could not sleep at night after hearing all the hate spewed at Alyce. She’s a kind woman. My heart is so broken.
        What has become of humanity?

    • Wow…. I’m in shock and disbelief; both at the comments and at the lack of caring by Amazon or any other forms of media allowing comments like that to be passed off as opinion. Just remember; they DON’T KNOW YOU and their comments are a reflection of them – not you. You are beautiful and kind – they are not. Period.

    • {{{{{{{HUG}}}}}}}} Don’t read their comments. Ignore them for now. They want to wear you out, don’t let them. What they are doing is illegal. They are brain dead zombies who might never recover from their self-imposed brainwash.

    • Wow that is truly sick and I thank you for finding it and sending it into fox. I never thought I would be this grateful for Fox.

    • Mental Health-
      Sorry you are crying. They are just very sick people, that have always been out there, but a trial like this is what draws them out of thier holes, and caves. I have been repeatedly posting on Amazon how this is a crime and reporting them all to administration of Amazon.

  248. WildAboutTrial @WildAboutTrial

    Juan and Flores are here, as is #JodiArias. Still waiting on the Nurmiester and Willmott and the judge.

    • If you are George then I read it and it is a scenario that fits the evidence. The murder story has holes in it. Premeditation evidence is weak at best. And I don’t get how people make the leap of frantic stabbing suddenly because of a trip to Cancun.

  253. How are you all keeping up ? How are you dealing with this trial?
    After listening in since the beginning of this trial every spare minute and trying to keep up with all your wonderful posts I feel worn out at this point and am for sure sleep deprived.
    As we all know this is not just about trial but also about the emotions and pains, sorry too tired to come up with a better description, caused by this trial.
    Wondering how the professionals, attorneys,experts etc working so hard on this trial, how are they coping ? Must be hard on them besides the fact that they are for sure attacked by hate, maybe even their families ? I have watched the CA trial which was bad then, the reactions of the haters, JA trial is evil beyond imagination when and where does this stop ??????????????? I refuse to give up the hope tides will turn for human kind and people will start again respecting each other.
    Thank you for this safe haven in the mean time; thank you all for your wonderful posts here

    • Same here vebe.I too am worn out,sleep deprived,have fallen behind and have so much catching up to do at work,thought I had restored my faith to humanity prior to this but after this trial I dont know if I ever will be able to believe in people’s good nature or that nothing’s wrong with the world.

        • It’s there. YOU are there. We are seeing the brunt of decadence and hearing the loud hyenas who are not representative of the general population. The media however has lost total credibility with me. State of Arizona same.
          I am so sorry Jodi ever ever went there. The only redeeming voices are her defense team, the inmates and the few voices from AZ present here.

  258. I’m I watching the same trial as HNL? I swear they’re watching a completely different trial. Alyce is doing a great job holing her ground.

      • The juror was ill and excused from further participation. Here is the description of her.
        Juror No. 11

        She is a married, white female in her 30s. She takes a lot of notes. She does not look at Arias during testimony. She tends to look straight ahead or down at her notes.

        • Source: HLN:

          Another juror in the Jodi Arias trial has been dismissed from the case. This time it’s Juror 11, who was released from further service due to illness. Our producer inside the courtroom says he’s the only juror who appears to be a minority. He is Hispanic and has a long ponytail.

          Hope ths helps.

    • It’s a great book, both for survivors, family members, and DV counselors! It helped save my life, and I plan on giving my copy to my daughter-depending on how different the new edition is. 🙂

    • Well, if that’s the case, tell him (if he’s not at death’s door) to get back in there. His country needs him to do the right thing.

      • I have a friend that periodically attends the trial & she told me that this juror coughs A LOT. She told me a couple of weeks ago that he might be one of the more liberal ones on the jury. Of course she’s just going by how he looks a dresses, not any real concrete evidence.

  265. Omg…not participating from this trial? Yay! I wonder if it’s the same guy who could’t hear very well?

    • Samantha?Sorry at this point in trial I have no paerticular feelings for them.Hypothetically speaking(to mimic Kermit)there’s a woman who’s been abused by her husband and somehow finds the strength and courage to go to the police station and file a report against him and the officer to take down her testimony gets to be Samantha! Now tell me that this woman wont feel discouraged,that her abuse wont be understated or even mocked!
      The Alexander family have harmed society more than they will ever know!

      • Yes I agree an if people don’t believe it need to go read up on Tanisha an her
        horrid statements just GOOGLE her.

      • Maria-
        You are so correct. That young woman needs to get out of LE and do something that does not involve working with the public. Either that, or go and get some good counseling from Ms. L.

      • Right, and nobody should forget that it’s their pack of lies that started all this. They were the ones who were going around, along with Travis’ associates, pretending that he was a virgin led astray the righteous path.

        Did they really, honestly, believe that people would buy that shit after all the evidence that would come out? How arrogant can they be, to assume that 40 years of domestic violence research should be thrown away just because *their brother* ended up dead after attacking his victim?

  270. He’s trying to clutch at straws and they are slipping right through his fingers! 😀

  271. Lets hope he wasn’t the one hold out, who didn’t wanna have to go against a bunch of misogynist assholes.

      • Maybe her husband (if she is married) or her boyfriend/girlfriend decided to leave her (after hearing Alyce’s testimony) before she got home yesterday…she is probably abusive…she seems to harbor A TON of anger…

  273. WildAboutTrial @WildAboutTrial

    Juror 11 was the short latino guy. He would mean mug me every time he would walk out the door. He wore affliction shirts. #JodiArias

    • geebee,
      I can’t even tolerate reading the comments on there…yet ANOTHER avenue on which the caravan of hatred can ride…THEY ARE EVERYWHERE! They are like the plague! I would comment but…in the end the haters will barrage the reasonable people with an overflow of evil. EVERYTHING and EVERYONE who has to do with reporting the truth regarding this trial is a target for their hatred. They are feeding off of on another. I do not understand it, I want to stand up for what is right, I have tried, but…I can’t bear it anymore. It’s futile.

  280. Is Juror #11 male or female? Someone here said (female note taker and someone said latino male)

    • I saw a tweeter from Wild About Trial say:

      WildAboutTrial @WildAboutTrial

      Juror 11 was the short latino guy. He would mean mug me every time he would walk out the door. He wore affliction shirts. #JodiArias

  281. maybe the sisters are crying because it was a juror who was a travis hugger

  282. How can these jurors not ask themselves “where in the world is JM going with his questioning”? I get so aggravated with him.

  286. Omg! It nearly killed her to agree that JW was correct the two people were talking at once! WTF!

  287. I swear the Judge is asleep and programmed to say ”Overuled” every 2 minutes when Jennifer objects.

    • I’ve caught Jennifer smiling indignantly after being overruled but immediately put on a straight face.She’s a professional after all.

  298. Looks like Croakerqueen just uploaded today’s trial part 2. I shall return… (anybody wanna come with? I’m kinda scared to venture there alone, eek)

  299. WOW I just thought of something….after seeing TA sisters cry I bet Juror# 11 stood up for Jodi

  300. I posted something similar yesterday but wanted to do so again because I think these points bring some understanding to this case and what is happening.

    First of all, Jodi’s ‘confession’ has too many similarities to false confessions. I sent an email to a couple of the groups that look into these types of things. Besides the ‘false confession’ there are just way to many unanswered questions and circumstances that do not add up. Someone here once said that it is always the ‘easiest’ of answers that would be the truth. Unfortunately, in this case, there are no easy answers unless you add other suspects to the mix.

    Secondly, why is AZ allowing this to happen? Read up on any documentaries regarding the LDS, the FLDS and the stranglehold they seem to have on law enforcement and politics in AZ as well as UT. I have been reading a lot and when you add in the fact that, in the FLDS, babies are ‘trained’ to not cry, the men are types of ‘gods,’ and starting at age 8 a female is accountable for any and all things that happen to her – it is her sin. Many of these beliefs are NOT secluded to the FLDS, btw.

    Why the stranglehold on politics? Simply because the religion is so extended that many law enforcement as well as political figures in those areas are either part of the mormon church or their livelyhood depends upon it. (If most members are of that church and you speak out against them, you think you’ll work for long? Probably not.) I understand that Jodi was still being visited by missionaries after she was in jail… does anyone know if this is true?

    I am passionate about this for one reason; I have children. As a victim of emotional/sexual abuse myself, I do not want to see abuse spread and remain so acceptable. I want justice and religion should not be USED as a guise for dirty un-justice and sexual abuse. There are forces in our world (and no, I am not a conspiracy theorist) that WANT us to believe things of the deviant sexual nature are okay (12 year old girls, trolling for boys, women are the root of all evil) and it needs to be stopped in its tracks. There are forces that use OUR judicial system to suppress information as well as enforce religious views.

    Just a plea from me – Seek justice and do whatever you can to serve it. Do not waste time on hater sites for those people are filled with scum. Go to the top; the Innocence Project; False Confessions Org; Help the Child Brides and then help, email or whatever you feel comfortable with. Read about “religion and child abuse’ and you may be horrified at how rampant it has become. And if you are a religious person – do not think that I am bashing you. You, of all people, should not want your religion used for such purposes.

    • I don’t think you sound conspiracy oriented. Large groups with money and power have influence and that’s a sad fact of life. The false confession is interesting! I will check out that site. I didn’t know it existed. Thank you.

    • You are correct – Jodi’s “non-confession” is an amaazing fact that people have a real mental block getting their minds around.

      The thing to do is to stick to two things : she defended herself, and she was so ashamed, she didn’t confess to what happened for two years.

      • JC – Jodi’s confession is eerily similar to another one I saw about two months ago. The guy changed his story like three times before the final version wherein he answers to the detective; okay. Detective; what KIND of board did you hit him with! Defendant: “I think it was a 2 by 4” Detective: “That doesn’t make sense! The board was Larger! Didn’t you use a bigger board?” Defendant: “okay.”

        Jodi: ‘there were two people there.” DF: “there wasn’t any other evidence of someone else! WE both know you did it.” Jodi: ‘okay”

        But that is only one tiny similarity. There are many more things in Jodi’s interview that doesn’t make sense. It was also pointed out yesterday that she would be more susceptible to making a false confession due to time of interrogation; trauma without treatment; lack of food, etc.

        geebee2 – Add to this non-confession Jodi’s lack of memory. This often happens during a false confession because the defendant really didn’t do it. Detectives and prosecution are notorious for leaving out information so their cases look more viable.

        This trial is a travesty of justice more than people realize.

        • Yes, Cindy, I had the same reactions when viewing the interrogation. Leading her all the time.
          Plus, Jodi was an impressionable and vulnerable person to these manipulations for at least a year in these days. She was talked into joining the PPL cult group and into converting to a new religion.

  301. Martinez got Alyce that time. She had to admit she didn’t speak with Mr. Alexander BECAUSE HE WAS DEAD. I think her only hope is to contact HLN and see if they have anyone there who talks to dead people. The chances are good that they do.

    • LOL. It would probably be the freakish freind of TA that saw black clouds or some sense nonsense, in a bathroom when she “intuitively read him”.. quacks

  303. I would love to see Martinez lose his cool at the salad bar and put his nasty paws on Nurmi and then watch Nurmi pound him to the floor. Does this make me an abuser yes or no? Objection! Overruled! I rest my case.

  306. The shitty part is, Alyce really isn’t biased and the haters have waged a war against someone who isn’t against Travis. She can see Travis had good points, but his good points weren’t the end all be all of what happened in his relationship with Jodi.

    That’s what they aren’t getting.

  307. Some of the jurors questions are really accusatory. I was surprised at first but then I had to do a reality check. Let’s face it. JM has a kind of fan club not only outside the courthouse but within. There’s a lot of non-verbal stuff going on in addition to the obvious, so I can understand how some jurors might be influenced by all the support they see and hear the prosecution getting. This includes their “attack dog” , JM, the judge that blatantly supports him when he needs it or requests it publically, the biased and out-of-control media that concluded Jodi was guilty from the very start of the trial, etc.

    The trial continues, too long already, due to factors including JM’s continued interruptions and manipulation of testimony as well as the jurors need to ask hundreds of questions, in large part, thanks to JM’s antics that cause unnecessary confusion. As a result, the risks increase for jurors to be influenced by the bias around them and JM’s influential tactics and swayed to convict Jodi. Jurors who might be sympathetic toward Jodi and her witnesses or find AL and Dr. Samuels credible may be intimidated by more aggressive jurors who favor JM’s presentation.

    This jury should have definitely been sequestered! The level of hate, bias, and injustice in what should have been a fair trial is appalling as well as likely unprecedented in this country.

    • Yea, I think it’s because this case has been top news even before the trial started-and I don’t believe those folks have seen “nothing”-not after the jury questions.

      I also think-as others have noted-that they know full well what happened to the jurors in the CA debacle. And if there’s one or two hold-outs, you can bet your ass they’re going to bring it up to convince them to vote guilty.
      I just hope & pray that AZ’s appeal courts aren’t as screwed up as the lower courts.

    • Even if they are not actually watching any TV, or using any social media ( which I 100% do not believe), what about the pressure from friends and families??????

      That must have a lot of influence. Doubtful they are not discussing it with their spouses etc.

  308. JFC! I would vote not guilty just because JM refers to himself in the third person. cindyp doesn’t like that!

    • Tanya Young Williams <<<< Also Abused is referring to that woman<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<NOT ALYCE read before starting accusations please.

  310. Are they SERIOUSLY suggesting that Travis talking about a 12 year old is somehow *not* pedophile territory?

    I wonder how many of those jury members are FLDS.

    • What the heck is all that about? An additional issue that she was told about? Talking to Samantha possibly?

    • Renee,

      This is the most FK-ed trial…… There is no reason for the JUDGE SHERRY to get her ruffles all feathered up with ALYCE. Maybe she’s JUAN’s long term GIRLFRIEND…. ha ha ha She is a vey biased JUDGE.

      Sure hope ALYCE testimony is not thrown out on Tuesday.

      This trial is worse than a bad sopa opera…………. Glad to say that I am not an Arizona resident.

  313. Judge to ALV, “Please don’t tell me about your personal issues.” 🙁 man.

  314. Alyce is great!! She tough as steel. She holds her wisdom and presents it clear and understandable.

    • What, sleeping on the job again?? Its time he earned his keep – send him out to water the plants or something… 🙂

  316. WOW! That Judge was just RUDE to ALV…”I don’t want to hear about your private issues” WTF?

      • When the judge has other cases, THEY interrupt the flow of THIS case…BUT ALV’s HEALTH is not an issue?…Stevens SUCKS! She needs to get her priorities straight… She wouldn’t care if ALV has an aneurism as long as judge ORDERS her to be there ALV better be there OMG! WHAT MORE can ALV possibly ADD to this case that hasn’t already been said?

  319. I SIMPLY CANNOT BELIEVE THE JUDGE JUST SPOKE TO ALV IN SUCH A RUDE WAY!!!! SHE ACTUALLY SAID SHE DIDN’T WANT TO HEAR ABOUT HER PERSONAL ISSUES!!! I WANT TO SLAP HER!!!! SO UNPROFESSIONAL AND DOWNRIGHT RUDE! ALV IS NOT A CRIMINAL OR HOSTILE WITNESS. SHE PROBABLY IS SMARTER THAN MOST IN THAT COURTROOM!!! ARRGHGHGHGHG!!!!!

    • It seems the judge can be assertive and cut people off only when they are for the defense (and female.)

    • I think the judge was trying to stop ALV from telling the courtroom and people watching the trial her personal matters so I really don’t see an issue for it. It wouldn’t be appropriate for us to hear it.

      • That’s what I thought too. At first I thought she was saying she didn’t want to hear it, but then realized why she said it. However, with that being said, she didn’t have to be so snarky.

      • Ok, well thsts understandable, but she could have said it with a little more respect. Like,stopped her and said, ok mrs ALV, we need you here and your still under subpoena, you’ll need to be here. That’s a little more respectful then, “I don’t want to know your issues or problems or whatever she said. It was rude.

      • The judge may have been pissy over having to excuse a juror due to illness. Maybe she’s not in the mood to hear about any personal issues. At least she’s keeping court moving; may want to try that with Kermit’s ridiculous outbursts as well.

      • I think you’re right. She might not have realized that cameras were still on & she was trying to prevent her from broadcasting it or have it go on the record. But it sounded rude. :/ Poor Alyce. I wish we could let her know how many of us support her.

    • I really hope this will be her LAST big case!! She has A Lot to learn before they give her a responsibility like they have gaven her I this case.

  321. How can anyone make these comments!They have not even seen the evidence that she AL refered to.

    • Yes plz anyone? So will it air on Monday at 11 or 1 with the jury present?

    • Producer for HLN to testify about JM’s autograph signing and if footage shows any jurors

      • Why couldn’t they do that today and finish up with Alyce and let her go home…I bet, at this point, ALV wants to wash her hands of this case…the hell she has gone through unconscionable!!

    • WildAboutTrial‏@WildAboutTrial13m
      Grace Wong from In Session is ordered to testify on Monday at 11:00. She didn’t look too enthused. #jodiarias

    • Isn’t she a reporter that was supposed to testify right after Jean whats her face testified about toad man signing autographs?

    • I wish it was a hearing on Mon with regards to the jury poss getting outside info, and / or the death threats against ALV..or is this something that will be before the jury?? It’s still the defense case so…

      • Lynn,
        One would hope…but does anyone here think that judge REALLY cares about Alyce, after how she just spoke AT her. I believe the judge doesn’t give a rats ass… The trial must be interrupting her golf game.

    • I really hate to be a wet blanket here but let’s try to keep from giving insulting nicknames to witnesses. It smacks of behavior one would find on the other side and we want to hold ourselves to a higher standard than that anyway. Not too high that we’d cease with our Martinez nicknames, as sometimes they are what helps us all feel a little better during our rant for the day, but higher than nicknaming a witness negatively. Even, though, she just has one of those names that nicknames perfectly and is kind of funny, behaving in a manner that is so elementary like that doesn’t reflect well on Jodi. Just like we say Travis’ supporters’ awful and hateful threats, ridicule, and disgusting behavior towards people they don’t even know doesn’t speak well for Travis, it doesn’t bode well for Jodi if we are behaving negatively either.

      I don’t believe Travis’ supporters grasp the concept that, by advocating for his justice or protesting against Jodi not dying, they are openly saying they support everything Travis stood for….good and bad….just the same, it implies that Travis would have supported everything his followers stood for. Although, I’m not so sure about the latter because Travis was not always hateful and vile to Jodi and he was never like that to perfect strangers. Regardless, through their insufferable treatment of others without but sometimes with provocation, Travis’ supporters cast him in a bad light just as much as Jodi’s claims do simply by association. Only difference is, at least, Jodi had a personal connection to Travis while these people are attacking with more fervor than wild starving beasts for someone they didn’t know existed until 4 months ago. You wanna talk about mentally unsound, I believe the discussion should begin with them.

  329. So, that means I won’t hear the trial on Monday.. unless I want to be up half the night 🙁 🙁 🙁

    See the judge smile at the asshole’s witness coming on Monday? ugh its sickening.

  330. Does anyone know what’s wrong with Alyce LaViolette? She said something about the possibility of further tests before the judge told her that she didn’t want to hear about her personal problems.

    • I would think possible cardiac tests if she was having palpitations? They might have found something wrong?

      • agreed..she had to go to the ER due to blood pressure and heart palps..so prob further testing

        • The thing is though is if she’s having health problems then her “personal issues” need to be heard due to the fact that they have a bearing on whether or not she can be in court to testify so the judge being downright rude was completely uncalled for and highly unprofessional.

      • Gail, I suspect the same. She is probably being treated for hypertension as well. I noticed she needs to use the bathroom (urgently) and diuretics will do that to you. The judge should be ashamed.

    • The judge was damned rude. A contrast to the asshole’s witness.

      The BIAS STINKS!

      • Absolutely, Heather.
        Within the span of a few moments Pickles’ differential treatment of the two witnesses (ALV vs Wong) was like night and day!

        👿 “I don’t want to know about your health problems, you’re under supoena and I expect you here if it kills you blah blah blah… 👿
        vs

        😀 “yoo-hoo! are you there, ms wong? chirpity-chirp-chirp-sing-song – oh, I look soooo forward to seeing you here blah blah blah 😀

  331. Question, Legal Eagles: can the same appeal be used on a verdict of LWPOP as one of DP?

    • No one who has ever been sentenced to LWOP has ever been released. Unlike DP they receive no special consideration on appeal and they only have one automatic appeal.

    • I am thinking it’s to do with her talking to Samantha Alexander..I wonder if she was found to be in contempt?

    • Yes Heather, I was confused by that too. And if the crabby bitchy judge was so rude if Alyce was thinking out loud about any doctor tests thats even more abusive, rude and minimizing of the situation.

    • All witness that testify are under a subpoena, I believe.

      Judge could have been more professional than telling her about not wanting to hear about her personal matters.

    • Ms. Wong is from hln and its about all that JM rock start business. I read on another site that ALV approached Sam and she is going to be admonished because of it. Did that Judge sound very rude to ALV at the end, saying she didn’t want to hear about her personal problems. ALV could just go back to California and not come back, cause I sure would be tempted to do just that. Not very adult of me, but still would be tempted.

    • Grace Wong is from In Session, so I”m assuming it has to do with one of the many motions for a mistrial.

  334. I am sick, and absolutely livid that HLN has been allowed to cover the trial the way that they have. I wanted to believe that the jury would be smart enough to ignore the media’s slant against Jodi, but it’s clear that I cannot trust my fellow citizens to keep an open mind when deciding the fate of one of their peers.

    No, I don’t think Jodi lying is what’s going to convict her. Like Alyce said there is no history of lying until the killing. Any reasonable person would understand why she lied.

    It’s the constant stream of anti-woman propaganda put out by the Travis Taliban, the constant excusing of Travis’ disgusting behavior, and the wholesale condemnation of Jodi before she’s had a right to a fair trial.

  335. The day after ALV took ill, that morning before starting, the judge asked Nurmi if Ms. LaViolette would be able to testify or did he want to instead proceed with Ms. Wong. (I replayed that several times, thinking he was saying Long.) I’m hoping Ms. Wong had an interesting relationship with Mr. Alexander but maybe it’s less dramatic than that. I would think the defense would leave their “bombshell” to be the last witness.

    • Wong is the producer for In Session. This is about the motion for pros misconduct.

  337. A corrupted carcass.

    That she basically has no soul. Same shit they said about women in the middle ages.

    How the jury can possibly believe that this is ok, is beyond my comprehension.

    How backward have we pedaled since Clinton? Way too fucking far.

    • How can anyone make excuses for that kind of talk?? I have been staying away from the pro-pros sites so I don’t know what their excuse is. Are they saying that it’s because she was such a beast that she drove him to it?

      • Yeah, pretty much she gets all the blame and Travis holds no responsibility for his actions.

        This trial is so despicable, I’m just sick with anger ATM.

    • I know these questions were just a mockery of the justice system or lack there of one. This is why jurors should be sequestered. I know it is painful on the jury but as long as the media is allowed to try her in the court if public opinion then there really should be no other choice.

      • I agree.

        They *should* have been sequestered since the beginning.

        I cannot believe that HLN has gotten away with all their hate speech and slanted coverage.

        The court of public opinion needs to learn to shut the fuck up.

  339. Vinnie just got punked by his own reporter…He claims “the jury is not looking at Hln on TV, the jury is not looking at the internet, the jury is not listening to the radio”………Michelle smirks at him ….responds… If you’ll buy that , I got some….. “ocean front property in AZ.”

  340. What is wrong with Alyce? She was telling Judge Stephens she had a medical appointment and the Judge cut her off saying, “Don’t tell me about your personal problems.”

    That shocked me.
    If anyone, I’d think a Judge handling a death penalty trial also receives death threats from the Travis Hate Mob.

    Plus, didn’t Judge Stephens cancel court because certain jurors had medical or prior commitments?

    Poor Alyce! I pray for her beaten, abused soul. Juan Martinez is abusive.
    I pray she gets the medical care she needs.

  341. Question…will the jury see copies of the emails and text messages as evidence?

    Does the Jury have to give the reasons for the verdict they give?

    • If they are brought into evidence and marked, I blv so. And thsts better then what we have heard and seen. They can see them and readcthem all. If they’ve been marked. The 2nd question, idk…

    • The jury will only see the ones that have been admitted into evidence. They will not see all of them that have been marked as exhibits and discussed but not admitted.

      The jury does NOT have to give a reason for their verdict. Their deliberations are confidential. They may choose to speak to the attorneys after the verdict and explain or they may walk away. They may give interviews to the media or write their own books. But they are not obligated to reveal anything that occurred during deliberations.

  342. Ok, the charges are premeditated murder and felony murder right. Martinez HASNT proven this especially not without a reasonable doubt. So, I think it would’ve been a good idea if the defense would’ve asked or talked more (I didnt hear this subject come up with ALV, neither from the defense or the prosecutor). Now, I know that her job was to go in and determine DV in Jodis and TA relationship, but I think the defense would’ve gotten a few more points in if they would’ve talked about it or asked her a few questions, if she saw any evidence of premeditation I any writings, journal, text msg, anything. ?.

    • I think the less premed is discussed especially by the prosecutor the better it is for Jodi. He is concentrating his energy so much on proving Jodi is a liar. The fallacy in his presentation is his very point “Jodi lies therefore she’s a cold blooded calculating murderer.” These two thoughts aren’t connected by the same bridge. It’s like saying LA has a bridge/roadconnecting to Dallas. Both these cities are I the US but there’s a WHOLE lot of terrain in between. He’s using emotion to appeal to the jury rather than logic. It maybe appealing to some but I don’t believe to all. It’s his burden to prove premeditation and he’s been using motives such as jealousy as the cause. The interesting part is if she was jealous and a mad woman why’d she move away? There’s so much we don’t know and so much she diminishes and probably is embarrassed about that its just best to leave it alone. Hopefully she can get help whenever she gets out from this ordeal.

  343. Beth Karas tweets she has no clue re: LaViolette’s return on Tuesday for a “new area of inquiry.”
    Also mentions the jury is now 10 men and 6 women.

    • I think some of the jury have husbands and wives that are watching the trial and telling them what questions to ask and could poss be “haters”

  344. Today for the first time I listened to the trial on live feed and not HLN radio and it was so much better and peaceful. I must’ve missed the judge being rude to Alice but anyway my point is that listening to it this way gives me a different perspective and Juan has toned down… A little… But he manipulates (yes manipulates is the right definition for this situation) the witness’ testimony from the Freemans, Jodi, Alice’s and who knows what else… Oh yeah Jodi’s father’s video clip… He does a very good job of making the world black and white. I understand why Alice is defensive and it’s because he goes quickly, is really trying to tricking her, and she won’t allow it. The jury, from my perspective is left wanting that A-ha I got you moment and so far he hasn’t delivered, but at the same rate he confuses them with his accusatory tone as if there’s a lie or a key fact he’s uncovering. It’s blah blah blah blah Jodi lies!!!! If you notice he doesn’t really EVER touch the real issue-domestic violence. All his questions are…. Drumroll… What I perceive as character assassination. Jodi lied period. He doesn’t ever touch Travis’s abuse directly, and the little bit he has touched is only about the one text message he is mad about her telling him about the restaurant lady and Lisa. He knows that there was AT THE VERY LEAST psychological abuse. He tries to act like he’s the “little guy pursuing the truth” in that court room. But his hypothesis has so many fallacies anyone can see. Laviollette isn’t a push over either. I think it’s difficult for her to testify because in order for her to recall and answer she has to talk through her assessment and response. Many people get lost when people speak longer than 30 seconds. Sad but true. Most people won’t even read this post because its too long. I admit I do the same at times. My point is that it’s probably difficult for the jury to assess her testimony with:
    1. Juan M showboating, yelling and perpetuating AHa moments that don’t exist.
    2. Alice explaining DV. She speaks like a college professor and she’s brilliant but it gets lost to simple people.
    3. The digital media that’s been ruled out of the case.
    I believe if the jury saw for THEMSELVES all the texts, emails, IMs of this case she would be acquitted completely. Then there’s juror 11…. I’m speculating but I think he left because he doesn’t want to deal with all the circus this trial is creating. He’s almost at the end of the trial to quit now? With the social media aspect of this trial I think that juror was afraid of the repercussions to remain on the jury and deal with the media. Now, I’m speculating… I am stating how I feel not that it’s true.

  345. HLN Headline “LaViolette IN THE CROSSHAIRS” … isn’t that a reference to how JFK was Assassinated.

    • Phillip, I don’t know but may God protect that entire defense team. They’re just doing their jobs.

      I was in a few major auto accidents that permanently disabled me. The defense hired a specialist doctor to examine me. He did not disagree about my injuries – only the causation – and he was very friendly. In fact, had he lived after I settled, I would have sought treatment from him.

      Hired expert witnesses are not all evil. I have personal proof and watching Alyce and Dr. Samuels – they are proof.

  347. On another note: Martinez last question to ALV, something like, her testimony shouldn’t be determined because she didn’t interview TA. Well if thats the case, then neither should the expert that HE has coming up (especially if her laptop was stolen). His expert didn’t interview TA either so whatever she will testify to, shouldn’t be taken into account. Nurmi and mrs Wilmott should use the same for their last question on HIS expert!

  348. It came to me that in a way the idea of Jodi Arias (not the actual gal), is kind of a martyr for the good. She is taking all the pent-up anger and aggression of the haters, and this in turn protects others in their actual lives. I have said this before, the routinely abused children of the haters are probably getting their heads above water during this trial – the haters/bullys/abusers are so busy with Arias, they don’t have the time to beat their children. So maybe in a way, this trial is good for the most vulnerable & voiceless in the U.S. & the rest of the world.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Scapegoat_(painting)

    • ..or abuse their partners or their elder parents or their pets.
      Still I would prefer they’ld do that and get arrested, eventually, in their private lives. Training oneself into using stereotypes for scapegoating can lead to mass hysteria and mass murder when it is condoned by authorities.

    • didn’t realize there was more than one of those scapegoat paintings!
      Was familiar with the top one, have always found it so haunting…..

      Very interesting idea you posit, think there is truth in it.

  350. I haven’t watched today’s testimony of jury questions, but JM does not stop objecting to everything so that the jury could have the question answered!!! OMG! I know that is his job, but please, if the jury does not get the information fluently, if they could hear about domestic violence, they would fully understand Jodi’s lieing, take it from me, when abused you get really good at lieing!!! because the repercusions, you have learned are physical impairment!

    TA was such a con with women, he behaved only for himself to everyone–yes he was abused as a child–but he really showed no feelings for anyone else, unless it was good for him….. Jodi must have felt like a fool to dump some really good men for the likes of him, I know that’s why I kept giving my X more time–didn’t want to hear “I told you so”, but for the grace of God…

    I also think that Jodi may have taken the gun from her grandparents for straight up protection! I;m from NYC, long trips alone–I think a young woman needs a gun–but right now she is in too deep to admit it–it may cause pre mediation– also I don’t hear anything about Jodi stabbing TA, could she be protecting someone or she doesn’t remember because she didn’t do it!!!

  354. ***ATTENTION***

    This is what I’ve been talking about, look at this BITCH, LOOK AT YHE JUDGES RESPONSE at time 1:06 (begging of the day), this BITCH judge is reading the jury questions in a nasty tone of voice, you can tell a lot by the way the judge responds to witness answers and THIS ALONE should be a reason for mistrial WITH A DIFFERENT JUDGE! !! This is BS and Nurmi and Mrs Wilmott should see this!!!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jGdoHiVH7E

    (I found another one too)!

  355. I started a new job 2 weeks ago so I haven’t been able to keep up with the trial, I am sorry!!!! It’s driving me nuts that I haven’t been in the loop. Can anybody give me an update? I gather from the comments that LaViolette is still on the stand? How is Jodi holding up? I saw the pic that was posted of her with a big smile and JW at the end of the day a couple days ago… How gorgeous is she? It’s so good to see a smile on her face…. Even tho I haven’t been able to keep current on the trial, I still think about her and keep praying for an acquittal.

    Thanks,
    Alisha in SLC Utah

  356. I have been really hesitant about this page because there are so many Casey supporters who I would disagree with to the death, but I swear to God if I hear one more person suggest Travis Alexander was some kind of saint I’m going to throw up. Know upstanding person says “like corking the pot (or pie) of a little girl.” It makes me sick. And A. Laviollette is being destroyed, but he’s on a pedastal. 99% of the idiots on HLN make me have a real disdain for humanity these days.

  357. Sorry for my spelling and grammatical errors in previous comment.. it’s late!

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