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Jodi Arias Trial – Day 44 (afternoon session)

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    • Congrats Moni!

      You win 7 truckloads of bullshit collected from the courtroom this morning.

      Where would you like it delivered to? :mrgreen:

      SJ
      Team Jodi

      • “bullshit ”

        technically is it “frog shit”?

        Cause he aint got any cojones that I can tell.

        7 truckloads is not very much then?

        • I can’t stand him either (Martinez). I hope they find her not guilty because she was his dirty little secret. I have also thought that maybe she threatened to take the pic’s or phone sex tape to the church and that’s what may have really set him off. I feel bad for his family but I feel bad for her too because she has been in jail for 4 years only because she defended herself. He was the controlling, abusive, and demanding one not her.

    • I am one of those rare Americans that has not made their opinion fully one way or another about her guilt.I actually try to listen to all the evidence,and sure I was leaning towards guilty at the very beginning because all we had to go one was what was out in the media and it did look very,very bad for her.I still have not came to my own conclusion yet. Even when i felt she was completely guilty i still could see what kind of man that Travis was and I do not understand how people can just ignore who he really was.They act like it was Jodi’s fault he was a sexual deviant and a top liar that deceived everyone around him.Even if that was my brother or father or whatever I would have big questions about who he was and what motivated him to be such a liar and perv. I find it scary that so many people are just ignoring what all he did and lied about just as long as Jodi is killed by the state. this attitude scares me because people are not willing to listen to the evidence because she they feel she had to cause him to be all those bad things.They act like she is Satan or Satan worked through her just to kill the all perfect Travis Alexander,who was a lot more wicked than Jodi in the way he lead his life up to the point of his death.I by the way do not believe in Satan or religion for that matter just because of what is happening here. i am just trying to be fair and seeing things the way they are and not letting my personal feelings make an unfair judgement without hearing her side of everything. i will say that my mind is changing the more and more I learn about this case.

      • I was in the same boat as you I came to this case via a Dateline NBC show. I was convinced this was an open and shut case and that Jodi was totally guilty. I started from Day 1 and have watched the trial up until this point and I am wondering the same thing about people seriously not being able to look at the evidence objectively. People are just eating what the media is spewing. I have totally stopped watching all news outlets I have been just watching the raw court footage. I have come to the conclusion that I do not believe that this was pre-meditated murder. It was a crime of passion and from where I stand today I believe she did this act in self defense I think it was a lot of pent up anger from the way that Travis had treated her all of this time. It’s obvious he lived two lives and its not surprising that all of his friends say that “Jodi did this and Jodi did that” that’s exactly what Travis wanted. He wanted his dirty little secret on the side. I hope that the jurors can see this. I pray they have been objective and not watched the media (which is next to impossible). I can not believe that Juan Martinez is allowed to act this way in a court room. The way that he is able to just pull things out of context and run with it. I’m also getting pretty sick of the judge as well. She doesn’t seem to be impartial at all. She definitely errs on the side of the prosecution. It’s been a frustrating couple of day to watch for sure!!

        • Glad you could join us Butterfly. It is scary that this trial is really being ran by the media.
          Juan is leaving a dirty taste in everyones mouth with his dirty tricks.

  3. So Alexander’s sister is crying. Do you think she has recognised the truth?

    I do hope so. Wrongly hating Jodi for so long is a terrible thing, but it needs to be faced.

    I feel real pity for Alexander’s family. But Jodi is not to blame.

    It’s just a tragic sitiuation.

      • To me, Samantha seems to be very immature for her age. Even though the judge stated there was to be no eye rolling, etc. in the gallery, Samantha cannot seem to control herself. She seems to be the worst offender of all the family members. She is also the one who runs out of the court in tears.

        I think this is where the judge needs to intervene. If Samantha is too emotional to control herself in the presence of the jury, the judge should suggest that she leave. It’s not as if the family would not be represented in her absence.

        I guess I am a little more skeptical than most re: the Alexanders. I have felt that a lot of their behavior is theatrics. I also have been turned off by their letters thanking all of the haters on the TA FB for their support. They have never once written a letter to those people asking that they refrain from the hateful, obscene and threatening comments left there.

          • That is why I simply can believe her emotions can’t be controlled she is a cop. I wonder if that is true. I could see a dispatcher acting this way but not a actual Police Officer?

        • The Travis family has not cared what the judge has said and evidently the jugde really doesn’t mean what she say’s. The girl on the front is crying because the EXPERT is testifying?

        • I’ve also never seen a victim’s family seek to profit (to the tune of almost three quarters of a million dollars a month, no less) from a relative’s death. I’m also a little dubious about someone who had so little contact with a brother being this out of joint over his death. Color me dubious.

          • Geez! Where did you read this? I’d like to take a look at it too. I’ve been wondering how they can all be there so much of the time, like they have not a care in the world about their finances or maintaining careers!

        • I feel the same way kitty. I have seen them make faces, roll eyes, ect and look over at the jury to see if they noticed. I feel a lot of it is deliberate.

    • It it is Sam, the cop, that was crying – then maybe she is refelcting on DV calls she has responded to were the abused woman finally had enough and cold-cocked the abuser. THEN the abuser calls the cops on the woman and says “she f’n crazy! she came after me for no reason!” And because the guy has a bloody nose and the woman is injury free (except for the emotional scars she bares) the cops says “ok sweethart, you’re coming with us!”. Perhaps she is wondering how many women have been turned back to their abuser only to be harmed more.

      • Jodi’s case isn’t the first where a woman had to defend herself against an abuser, and hers won’t be the last.

        The prisons are full of women who killed their abusers.

        • “The prisons are full of women who killed their abusers.”

          🙁

          so true tonysam.

          I doubt she is crying for any lifeshattering reason…although I could be wrong.

          While it would be incredibly awesome for her as a cop to have had a breakthrough, I doubt it. I can only wish…and that then they turn around and ask the death penalty to be off the table.

    • I feel bad for Travis’s family and you certainly can’t blame them, A friend of mine said Imagine if that was your Brother,

      • I try. I would feel more if they were part of his life before he died, but they were very estranged.

        However, I do try to empathize.

        And Samantha, IMO, is the only one of the sibs who seem to really hurt.

        • I think some of the siblings or Samantha was Close and even if they were enstranged the Bonds of Siblings are very strong especially when they came from the abusive Backround Travis came from. They share a certain sorrow that no one else can really understand. I fell very sorry for them.

      • “A friend of mine said Imagine if that was your Brother,”

        This is not a reflection on you Oliviero, but it pisses me off when people use that line.

        Not everyone is an eye for an eye or a limb for a limb kind of person and those people should stop assuming that everyone would think the same way as they do EVEN IF IT WERE A sibling/father/mother who was killed.

        Now, do I blame them, no. Not everyone is “mature” enough to see or be able to acknowledge the bigger pictures in life…which includes shithead relatives being killed by someone else defending themselves against said shithead.

        • My mother’s brother was murdered in Reno many years ago, before I was born, and she was totally against the death penalty.

          The death penalty doesn’t bring the loved one back and only causes more pain for the family of the condemned person.

        • It’s hard for me to place myself In that situation because my brother is 180 degrees from how Travis acted. My brother is one of the kindest people I know and he’d never treat partner the way that Travis treated Jodi and other women.

        • Same, same. So tired of hearing that. It’s generalizing their behavior before and during their case as appropriate. Samantha has tried very hard to make sure that jury sees how upset she is with her body language.

          • Yes, but someone who is upset about the loss of a loved one doesn’t roll their eyes, that just doesn’t work for me – that’s disdain, not deep emotion. Disdain is about feeling like you’re better than someone else & being impatient about putting up with them.

        • I know what you are saying but a Sibling sees things very differently the relationship is different and most people feel bad for the Family. Don’t forget they are being spoon fed hate by the Prosecutor and many who have a motive will pretend they care and fuel the flames of Hate.

          • it’s a mindset regardless of relationship, it’s what keeps wars going on in so many countries…middle east, africa, asia, even here.

            • You must have compassion for the loss someone experiences you can’t be angry at them
              They have to grieve is horrible for them. .Most people feel sorry for them, The wars are for Profit They USA and their meddling in the affairs of others under the dubious excuse Democracy, is a well known Hoax to steal Oil etc. The droning of innocent civilians in a pretext of a War on Terror is just plain stupid. As Ron Paul pointed out, That our Government is not morally responsible and therefore should NOT be allowed to inflict the DP on anyone.

        • I have seen one trial where a friend of mine was murdered by her son. The family did not want the death penalty for him and he was a child.. Of course someone will say well family so nobody wanted death. It could have been a death penalty trial but wasn’t. Then I have seen another where the victim was a high ranking officer of the law and murdered in his front yard, (this man also delivered my Aunt in the back seat of his police car). His wife did not want the death penalty, she wanted him to have to live with what he had done. Neither of these people deserved to die and nobody wanted their lives taken for what they had done. It seems to me in this case, senseless. I also think that JM beating up on Alyce LaViolette makes him look like a fool. The woman is NOT a hired gun just there to make a buck. I am glad she is battling it out with him, or WAS rather. I wouldn’t let someone make me appear that way either. Anyway, that’s my rant for the day.

          • same here. Close friend, sister murdered, didn’t ask for death. And the victim was a child.

        • But wait, didn’t we hear how much Travis was a contradiction? Mormon bible guy who likes to tie women to trees and do them in the backdoor. That is about as normal as Juan claiming he is five feet tall. Sure, his death was tragic, all death is, but judging by what we’ve heard, his life is not one to be held up on a pedastal

      • You are right….it is very hard on both the family’s. Travis siblings are not that old. They have had a shit life. She really has done for herself…..

      • Oh me I have a brother like that an do not condone his behavior. An I can say back to those that want to say that all the time what if Jodi was your daughter or sister or any female relation for that matter?

      • I agree as well. Purely looking at it from the Alexander’s side, of course they are devastated. I would expect them to hate whomever killed their brother regardless bcuz that is their brother. I’m not condoning TA’s behavior in any way and certainly not saying that Jodi didn’t honestly fear for her life. I take all of that out of it and give TA’s siblings immunity for their behavior and feelings. I have a brother that I once didn’t see for three years due to where we both lived. My love for him didn’t waiver or lessen in any sense of the word. We also grew up in an abusive home and that truly bonds siblings in a deep way. So I totally get it.

    • I totally agree. I feel very bad for Travis’ family, but I hope they are finally seeing him for what he was. I think things are looking better and better for Jodi. I cannot believe so many people want her dead. I used to watch the trial news shows, but now rather than showing the live testimony, most of the time they review JM’s cross of everyone. It makes me sick. I’m so very glad that Jodi can change her appearance so easily, that when she is found innocent she can change her appearance and live as she wants. Hang in there girl!

    • Linda…don’t worry about it….any day Kermit’s mouth is open is a brutal day ’cause he’s an asshole!!! It will all come out in the wash:>))

    • You are not the only one,Linda.But I think it’s a matter of perspective.For example,I’m always a bit pessimistic in my life,I dont like getting my hopes up so as not to be disappointed in case sth bad happens.Wilmott will certainly undo a lot of the damage that was caused my martinez’s bullshit and when the Jury questions come we’ll get to see what they are actually thinking.

  5. So whats this about the motion filed? Someone seized her journals? Or did the steal them?Does anyone know anything?

    • It looks like someone WANTS it, but who: prosecutor (for what, he cant bring it into evidence, can he)? or the media (can they)???

    • i love everyone’s adorable pics of furry family members! They all make me smile. Thanks,

      🙂

  6. I agree SJ. Alyce is doing great today. JM is trying hard today and is calmer. However, his reasoning is so fantastical that anyone with a modicum of intelligence won’t buy it. Everything he is twisting here, flies in the face of everything the jury has heard straight from the horses mouth (TA)

      • I’m not sure how old he is, but he may be looking at retirement and wants a book deal about this trial to afford retirement.

          • He’s younger than I am but looks ten years older.

            I guess the job ages you before your time.

          • Rainy- That’s exactly what I was thinking. At this point I don’t think he’s to much focus on doing his job right. He just want to look good with his fans, specialy those from HLN.

            • He told AL that she was getting paid when she did Jodi’s evaluation. It would be so good if AL answered him: ” yes, I was getting paid, the same way that you are getting paid to be here today Mr. Martinez.

      • I think LaViolette has done an excellent Job also maintaining dignity and composure.
        When she responded to the stalking it was exactly what I was stating to people, there is NO evidence of stalking. I think JM lost much ground obsessing with stalking and also with the Pedophile remarks.
        How come Nurmi cannot use what was posted on My Space in regard to Pedophile Remark by Chad Perkins.

  7. This case is filled with so many ironies: We’re watching a man abuse a woman in the middle of a trial about a man abusing a woman. We see a man yelling about “hanging on” and “stalking” behavior as he intimidates the witness and hounds her until he gets what he wants. We have so-called news media talking about the need to eliminate bullying of your girls during their breaks from crucifying Jodi. I feel like I’m in an episode of Twilight Zone.

  8. I hope Martinez doesn’t intend to go on till the end of tomorrow, or God forbid Friday (I thin we have court this Friday) like he has with other witnesses.

  9. The reason I have thoughthe jury would get this right is that juries are perfectly capable of understanding personal realtionships. Yes, there are some surprising things about domestic violence, but the jury is surely well capable of discerning the difference between stalking and DV, given the ample evidence available.

    Where juries sometimes go wrong is to give too much credence to dodgy experts. But that’s not aproblem here ( apart from Horn ).

    The defence is fighting battles on strong ground that it is bound to win. If Martinez had ditched the jealousy, the premeditation and concentrated on 2nd degree murder, he might have had a good chance.

    I have to say I don’t yet know for sure what happened at the end of the fight. Did Jodi carry on the attack after she knew Travis was no longer a threat? It’s possible, but I think not probable, and we shouldn’t hold people responsible for what they do while irrational. Did Alexander perhaps commit suicide, for reasons of pain, shame, atonement? Did Jodi perhaps cut Travis’ throat to end his suffering? Whatever the reason, she has suffered pain and abuse vastly greater than anything she remotely deserved.

    • Yes, this case is about everyday knowledge as opposed to cases where there has been a lot of scientific evidence like DNA that was harder to interpret for the layperson.

  10. FROM AL mispeaking, then correcting herself, JM started running round claiming the sky is falling, desparately hoping to sucker in featherheads such as chicken little, henney penney, ducky lucky, goosey lucy and other farmyard featherheads.
    THE jury should have sized up JM’s bs, and unless any of them start running round yelling the sky is falling, i don’t think there’s anything to worry about.

    • hmmm, an interesting question
      can the author of each question be identified ?
      and wouldn’t it be too late now, the bell has rung ?
      in any event, the judge surely scrutinizes the questions for admissibility
      but if # 5 had asked a lot of questions, which is later realized indicates a bias, the jury could be instructed to disregards the answer … oops too late
      it’s a problem generated by the jury being able to ask questions
      it’s likely this possibility was foreseen when the law was crafted
      but maybe not
      if it’s a problem the judge would seek input from both sides before deciding, ie take it under advisement

  15. BS rumor out there from “dumb bitch” Katie (cuz shes been a court watcher and shes so smart and knows everything): “The jury really hates this lady” (referring to ALV).

    • HA!

      So because K nitwick hates ALV, she thinks the jury does too?

      Talk about projecting!

    • How does she know that the jury doesn’t hate Martinez’s questioning? Katie Wick can go eat a hot bowl of dicks.

      • Oh my god Kira.
        I am dying.

        I’m known to say, “Eat a dick.”
        Somtimes as a joke…sometimes not so much.

        So, I cracked up at your comment.
        It was perfect.

    • How the hell does she know how the jury feels about ALV????? I don’t like Katie…..how ’bout that!!!!

    • Yeah. Funny -Katie Cool Lady was on an online radio show and was asked about body language and facial expressions of the jury when Jodi was testifying. KCL said it is hard to make out the faces of the jury or witnesses because they are so far away from them due to the large size of the courtroom – soooo how can the other Katie get any idea of how the jury feels if according to another court observer you can’t even see expressions on their faces?

    • I think the fumes from Katie’s overly dark spray tan has warped and “fogged” up her judgment. She says whatever she thinks will make Dr. Screwball happy. I am sure that the jury has found ALV to be a very credible witness and I imagine that if they are hating anyone at the moment it is JM and the way he has treated her during cross.

    • haha funny she means HLN JOKE NEWS an she really hates this lady. No way they can say the Jury
      is showing that or it would be all over the JOKE NEWS stations an other news as well. I can’t stand that
      Katie they say they are priming her to take over for Nasty Disgrace she would fill in well she is a good
      liar 😉 a real Judas in the making.

    • When she clicks her little red heels together three times and closes her eyes really tight, she may be right. Or she may have stood in the heat too long trying to get Martinez to sign her “spidies”.
      She has been sucking up too much Dr. Shrew.

  16. He begins with June 4th! Please pray this is the last day we get to listen to his ranting!

  18. Can anyone tell me why Flores is there everyday? Is he a police investigator or CA investigator? I have know lots of detectives and I cannot imagine that he does not have SOMETHING better to be doing. OR was Jodi the last major criminal in the area??!!

    • I agree! People are complaining about how much this is costing the state. However, they are paying his salary to sit there everyday and do nothing.

    • I think his only purpose is make it look like SOMEONE enjoys JM’s company…I hear JM always works alone…not sure why but I can assume…He probably can’t stand him like the rest of us.

    • He loves Juan and cannot be far from his side. Also, he brings Juan his lunch, washes his car, and dusts off his seat for him.

    • Becoz he is part of the Flora and Fauna …:) and that’s his new name! “FloraFauna”

    • to make sure that no one has done a detailed breakdown of his report

    • In every criminal trial, the prosecutor designates an investigator, usually the chief investigator, to sit in court at the prosecution table. It is standard procedure.

  19. It sounds like that part is almost over with.

    Then we will get redirect, which might take a day or so, and then the jurors’ questions, more of Juan’s b.s., and more defense redirect.

  20. Martinez: “Jodi said she pulled the trigger, right”
    Alyce: “Right”

    I thought Jodi said she pointed the gun at Travis and when he charged her, the gun went off.

      • She said she didn’t remember pulling the trigger yes.

        She told ALV she shot him in the closet? WTH???

      • Jodi said she assumed she pulled the trigger, but she said in the bathroom.

      • Jodi said the gun went off,she hadnt even realized is the trigger was pulled.

        • It seems like Martinez is changing the testimony slightly to give it a different, more damning meaning for Jodi. He so often has a piece of paper in his hand people may think he’s doing an exact quote. Plus who thinks a lawyer is going to lie so when he makes an inaccurate (changed) statement, people just agree without thinking.

          • I learned a long time ago, holding a piece of paper, preferably rolled up, means you have something important to say. In the entertainment industry this is the norm. Juany is just acting, holding nothing, just like his skull.

  21. JM seems to enjoy pointing out the errors of others and saying that they don’t pay attention to details or are sloppy – BUT what is the explanation of Detective Flores claiming that gunshot came first because he had a discussion with the medical examiner, and the ME said that conversation did not take place.

  22. I truly kinda feel bad for Ms. LaViolette now after reading all of the hateful reviews of her book on Amazon which was first published in 1993. Like most people, she is capitalizing on her 15 seconds of fame (or shall I say 15 days?) and re-publishing her book. Interestingly, I failed to find just ONE review solely ABOUT the book AFTER the commencement of Miss Arias’ trial; the 50 or so that I read were about Ms. LaViolette testifying for Miss Arias! What does that have to do with the book she wrote in 1993???

    http://www.amazon.com/It-Could-Happen-To-Anyone/product-reviews/0761919953/ref=dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1

    Incidentally, I noticed there were only 2 reviews of her book PRIOR to the Jodi Arias trial and they were both stellar reviews. The remaining 585 hateful reviews came in AFTER Ms. LaViolette took the stand for Miss Arias’ defense as an expert witness…

    Sheesh…

    • I filed a complaint with B&N who carries her books and also with Amazon. I also went through each review and filed a complaint selecting either inappropriate language or off topic. I also went through and selected that each of the reviews was NOT helpful.

    • David, while I agree with most of your post…

      “Like most people, she is capitalizing on her 15 seconds of fame (or shall I say 15 days?) and re-publishing her book”

      I don’t think that is an accurate statement.

      If you will notice the timing of the trial (when it was supposed to be started, etc) along with the nature of book publishing itself, she is bringing out a new version.

      That is hardly fair of you to place a judgement on her like that without even asking her why she is republishing.

      Also, how was she to know that this trial would be so publicized? You think she decided to republish a few months ago when the shit hit the fan with the trial?

      • I responded to this in the Day 44 forums.

        And here is my reply to your post in that forum…

        “I didn’t realize that my complimenting Ms. LaViolette would so greatly offend you.

        I’m certainly no mind reader, but apparently you are if you believe me commending Ms. LaViolette was in any way derogatory.”

    • Did all of these reviews come from people who bought and read the book? HELL NO!!
      So, I don’t see how it is justified to leave a feedback just beause they don’t like her.

      That is not fair in my opinion.
      I bought it from a place that doesn’t have feedback for that reason.

      Alyce L.
      Is hardly a woman who even wants 15 minutes of fame. I think she deserves NOW to right a book about
      ABUSIVE ATTORNEYS.
      I’m very serious!

  23. Keep it up JM! ALV won’t be taken down easily. Her experience and education in this field will outshine anything you try to do to discredit her opinion. Accept it! Move on.

    • I missed it-must have been sth annoying to make NURMI jump up his seat and ask to approach when it’s Jennifer who’s supposed to do it.

      • I think he read the part of TA’s text saying that JA was the worst thing that ever happened to him

  26. Sounds like Kermit is ready to finish up. He was sustained though, so he might go on for awhile.

  27. UUMMMM all those mean thing TA said that juan just repeated —that is what abusers do!!! They try to destroy their victims self-esteem! Remember testomy eariler by AL !! Guess Juan doesn’t!

    • I like Vladimir Gagic, but I can’t believe he thinks Stephens is a good judge. I think he says something like she let’s the two sides figure it out.

      Pretty obvious in this trial that the judge could be filing her fingernails and we would have the same result.

      • Well, he does have to work with her on occasion. He’s not going to blast her in a public forum LOL.

  31. What has the judge been doing during this entire trial? Seems like she is sleeping…….she is really awful.

  35. FINALLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AM I dreaming or did he actually say ”I have no other questions”??

  36. Wonder is Jennifer is going to ask for early release so AL can rest. She deserves a cold one for sure!

  40. Hallelujah! He hasn’t any other questions! Feels like my head just popped out of the water and I am finally able to gulp air and breathe!!!!!!!!!!!!! phew.

  44. If TA says she’s a sociopath,then yes she is.That’s what he tried to get ALV to say,RIGHT???So I guess if TA says she’s a slut,a whore and a 3 hole wonder then Martinez implies she IS!

    • Right, that’s what I don’t understand. Why should we take Travis’ word for anything? He’s a liar, an abuser, and a manipulator. He’s the last person who should have the last word on anything or anyone.

    • You know,this is just getting TOO predictable,like a bad play with a bad bad acting on behalf of both the Prosecutor and the Judge!

  47. To all of those thinking that the judge is doing a crappy job – maybe its a good thing. Remember judge Ito?

  50. How many times do you think the judge will sustain the State’s objection? Well easier question, how many times do you think she will overrule?

  51. So now after introducing lies in his questions, the cockroach is back to evidence suppression. God forbid we should get to the truth.

  52. If you go to a TA site, you will see they all stop watching when the defense in on.

    That is why they are so incredibly uneducated about the realities of the case.

    I hate Juan, but I watch ALL parts to get an accurate picture.

    • true renee’, very true.

      they are wallowing in self-imposed ignorance over there.

      I can’t watch live though and I get really behind..LOL

    • Seriously no wonder they are so warped. Even the family of Travis sits in for the Defense side so how can they really be supporters of Travis then. They are only supporters of Juan Martinez then that is evident if they do that during a trial. WEIRDO”S

    • Yes same here. They don’t watch because they know they can’t argue any points from the defense’s side. There’s plenty to argue on the prosecution’s side though.

  55. Really? The judge just told JW to move on and she had to ask to allow the witness to finish her answer?

  56. Anybody know if JM is allowed another go at ALV or will JW be the last to ask her questions before the jury questions?

      • Phew! I don’t think Alyce can stand any more of him. I think she looks totally worn out.
        ((((Alyce))))
        Thank you Al 🙂

  57. ahhh, picked up my little guy from school and we finished homework and its music to my ears that JW is back up.

  58. The American Psychiatric Association planning and research committees for the forthcoming DSM-5 (2013) have canvassed a series of new Relational disorders which include Marital Conflict Disorder Without Violence or Marital Abuse Disorder (Marital Conflict Disorder With Violence)

  60. LOVE HOW THEY’RE SHOWING SIBLINGS FACES WHILE ALV TALKS ABOUT THEIR ABUSIVE UPBRINGING

  63. Woo Hoo Dick weed is done!! Yay, There is a Santa Claus. I am doing cartwheels in hyperspace.

  64. In the introduction to Travis’ blog about his childhood he says this:

    What you soon will read in my opinion has been the most valuable time of my life. I would change nothing. I have thanked and continue to thank the Lord for these experiances. I see them strictly as blessings and count myself fortunate for them. Furthermore I have suffered no negative side effects from this.

    He thought had no negative side effects from his upbringing.

    • No negative side effects,hmmm…Let’s just take a closer look at those 3 lines:”my…….my……..I………I…….I……..myself…….I……”

      Yep,agreed.No negative side effects!

      • I’m guessing he wasnt aware of how badly it had damaged him. I wish he would have had help but he wasn’t to the point where he could even admit there was a problem to fix.

        • Travis wouldnt even admit to him having to ask for professional help for his pedophilia deviancy,let alone his childhood traumas!

  68. I’m still trying to pick my jaw up off of the floor that JM had objected stating “beyond the scope” earlier.

  69. I feel wonderful right now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    For the first time all weekkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk

    😀 😀 😀

  70. JW needs to bring out specifics again referring to specific incidence of TA being jealous.

  71. Leaving a shitty book review for someone is one thing, going to reputable review sites for her patients to give their opinion is a completley different animal. They are now starting a campaign to go to healthgrades, alltherapist, etc., and leave her bad reviews on her work when they’ve only experienced what she does through the damn TV set. Surely something can be done about this! I found this post on an Amazon review I was reporting: “Posted on Apr 9, 2013 7:38:55 PM PDT
    DespisesEnablersofMurderers says:
    Help real victims of domestic abuse! Leave Alyce a rating on the following sites:
    http://www.alltherapist.com/alyce-laviolette-review.html
    http://www.healthgrades.com/provider/alyce-laviolette-38b8s/patient-ratings

    Here is just one review from Alltherapists.com No respect for this woman as a therapist
    Overall Rating
    Knowledge & Experience
    Quality of Work
    Office Environment & Staff
    Waiting Time
    by MrsDavis, Apr. 10, 2013

    “Totally displeased with this lady credibility, honesty, and intergrity. I watched her on the stand of the Jodi Arias trail lie, deceive, and trash a person that was killer by a person who maniplate others, confirmed liar, and stalker. She says she an expert, but did not read or consider all the evidence. As a victim of D.V. I am totally offended with Laviolette. No Laviolette “You need a time out!!!”

      • There’s several fake reviews posted on the various sites. I’ve reported most of them but on one site, you can’t see them, but you can see how many people have responded to the survey and she’s got all poor answers on that one. Surely there is a legal recourse she can take to get these reviews removed. Proving that someone didn’t buy a book isn’t easy but saying you’ve been a patient just to leave a review when you have never even met the lady can be proven. Maybe those sites, which I use regularly when I’m trying to get doctor addresses for my job (medical transcription) will be more responsive than Amazon at getting the fake reviews down.

  73. I like ALV but she needs to hit home that JA was a teenager and the importance of that immaturity level.

  75. Most teenagers have not had the life experience. Yet mine think they know a whole bunch more than the grown ups do.

    • LOL I remember mine when they were teens. They knew more than me or so they thought. At 16 my daughter informed me she was moving out, it was time for her to be on her own. So I told her, “then you better leave now while you still know more than i do!” LOL

      A week later her older brother was calling me wanting me to let her come back home! hahaha

      Awww I miss those days when my kids were teens…now they are all adults and have kids of their own and it’s funny to hear them say things to their kids that I said to them when they were growing up. Guess Mum did know more then they did! hehehe 🙂

  76. do you notice JM does not take notes. He just gets up there and makes up and makes up a bunch of crap.

    • I DID notice that. lol JM Totally makes it up as he goes along. In fact,he changes his line of questioning when he hears something he wants to jump on. I hope the jurors are picking up on this, cuz it proves to me, once again, he has nothing so he’s grabbing at straws.

    • He has his cronies reporting to him, why should he bother to take notes…How do you think he knew about Cameron Diaz and the boys underwear? Does anyone believe he came up with THAT himself?

      • well the prosecution just admitted he sent her spidey undies didn’t they. Now they can twist it anyway they want, but the other vile sexual comments about children are still out there, and not much of a leap for someone to know the spidey man was about a little boy.

      • NO WAY!!! Someone’s spying for him! We had mentioned Cameron Diaz,I distinctly remember that!Maybe it was on the haters’ site too and THAT’S how he came up with it! Why didnt he say sth to Jodi in the first place,huh?

        • Was on VP segment on HLN a few weeks ago. They are trying to send him “helpful hints” so he can use it, and he complies. They are doing all the legwork for him “the chosen one”!

        • His delay in bringing it up until now is proof that SOMEONE is reporting to him…I doubt he SAW that movie and/or would apply that info to this case.

      • I actually missed that! No wonder JM sounds like such a dumbass! Can’t even do his own work… lol

  78. Forgive me for this but it is just an observation…. someone gave Flores a pen and paper. But he looks like he really doesn’t know what to do with it. I wonder if it was given to him so he could look like he is at least earning some of his pay for doing nothing for the state. (So happy that I came back to refreshing Ms. JW and grown-up, indoor voices being used! So nice!)

      • Ha ha, it would be fun. But I have not seen him pick up the pen, yet! It reminds me of a something I heard from an old show called “Twin Peaks,” “Look, its trying to think.” (Sorry, I know that was mean, but that truly is the thought that came into my head when I saw the pen, paper and look on his face! lol)

    • Ha!Ha!

      Alyce: “Mr. Martinez, would you please use you indoor voice when you speak to me.?”
      Martinez (with lower lip quivering): “Judge, she’s being mean to me. I don’t want to use my indoor voice. I want to scream and stamp around like I always do.”
      Judge: “It’s OK, Juan, come here and I’ll give you a hug.”

    • That’s because Flora has been given a punishment to write “I will not push JM’s foot away when he wants to play footsie with me” a hundred times.

  80. More quotes from TA’s book/blog

    “I will say though I have never heard in any movie, on any street corner, or amongst the vilest of men any string of words so offensive and hateful, said with such disgust as was the words that my mother said to my sisters and I”

    Again, suffered no negative side effects from his upbringing.

    • And so, he repeats those words to JA! (Took out his anger on her because she complied with all his sick requests and he saw her as being as flawed as his mother) – he felt two opposing feelings simultaneously that she invoked in him. One, of needing her and the other of being repulsed by her (becoz she allowed herself to be used and demeaned by him). I think that’s where the anger stems from – he is saying to her the words he wishes he could say to his mom. That’s why once he starts he can’t stop, and the rant sounds irrational, misplaced and undeserving to the rest of us. His mom pushed him away, but he sure as hell won’t let ‘her’ (JA is merely symbolic as his mom) push him away THIS time! Something in JA’s nature or being or physically triggers memories of his mom. This would explain his instant attraction to JA. Wonder if there is a picture of his mom floating around – it would be interesting to see if there is any resemblance between them.

        • and by the way Intro I believe you are exactly right about how Travis felt about his mom and Jodi, and why Jodi had to suffer for his mom’s mistakes.

        • geez and now that you mention it, Jodi and Travis’ mom do resemble each other a bit.

          • Trixels, with JA’s dark hair and the way she usually wears it now, with the part on the same side, falling slightly over the eye, etc. Wow. And altho she was plat. blonde for most of the time they were together, in the final hours, she came in with the DARK HAIR! (Could that have blown the final lid off the brewing volcano of rage and hatred?) Damn, we could be on to something here…

  81. LMAO – JM just HAD to add; ‘he said extremely afraid.’ I think he sounds defeated.

  82. JW is always so respectful, not only to her witnesses, but also to the state’s. JM should be taking notes on courtroom etiquette. Everyone knows the old saying “You catch more flies with honey than with vinegar” and it is very true. Looking forward to JW debunking all of the baseless crap JM spewed.

  84. Oh, yea JM – he was so extremely afraid of Jodie that he was texting her the same day. Right on.

    • I swear to God(and mind you Im not a religious person)when that day comes Im gonna scream sooo loud the entire neighbourhood is gonna hear me!!!! Im gonna be jumping up and down,doing the win dance on the table!!!

  87. I’m back! Did I miss anything good? Not bull shit. I had to stop watching because of the fake stalking couldn’t take it anywhere. Took a clonazepam and fell asleep. Much better

  89. I just saw Nurmi walking behind JM. And I know if it was me I would have swatted him on the back of his head. It would be just so gratifying.

    • KN should’ve planted a big wet one on his ‘landing strip/tarmac/runway’ – 🙂

      • Or, pulled up his undies, and given him a wedgie ! :D)

        Or, draw a smiley face in the bald spot, with a perm. marker 🙂

        Or, whacked him on the side of his head, saying, “I thought I saw a bug on your head” innocently 😉

        And, I am having too much fun here … I could go on and on and on and on and ……….

  90. Alyce sticks to her beliefs and life experiences and certainly hasn’t backed down in the face of the threats she’s received and the hate she’s getting.
    You have to respect and admire that. At least normal people with clear minds do.

  91. Thanks SJ,
    How did you know? Man, why does JM get to cherry pick bits and peices of text and IM’s andALV cant even mention what they say. Just assume. Why does he get to do that? Assumptions are not facts. I am freaking out after the whole stalking thing. Someone needs to calm me down, The look on Jodi’s face is sad.

    • There are different rules for direct and cross examination. I’m not sure if that’s why he is allowed to get away with it, but that would be my guess.

      He’s still a little turd of a man, though.

  92. Stalking sure does take a ton of work and energy. I watch those Stalking programs on ID Discovery and that new one called Looks Who’s Stalking on recently. I couldn’t be bothered with that nonsense. Move on with life. Stalking wouldn’t scare me so much as it would piss me off.
    But one never knows what goes on in anothers mind.

  93. Good catch on the sleeping next to someone you are afraid of. Way to go ALV.

    See Cindy, she’s quick on her feet today. I think JM just beats people into a resigned state of numbness.

    • Yeah,it’s his innate evilness that brings out baffling to other people,intelligent ones for that matter!
      ALV surely saved us the trouble of having to listen to Martinez on that!

    • He does that for sure. I think he pisses them off to the point they would prefer to jump over the railing and show him abuse instead of testifying about it.

  94. Does anyone know if Alyce is the final witness? Does the State have rebuttal witness’s or Are they going to closing arguments once Alyce’s is finally done?

    • I can only assume there is more since the judge was asking the jury about their availabilty on Fridays up to May 3rd but didn’t know if the 3rd was necessary.

      Any thoughts?

      • no did not see her but the killer chris hughes is sitting next to travis brother and sister in the same row

        • That guy is Travis’ sisters husband, HIllary. She is the one with the full head of blond hair.
          I believe the seat order after lunch was
          L-R
          Samantha
          Steven
          Hillary’s husband
          Tanisha
          Tanisha’s husband Harold
          Allie (Travis’ youngest sister)

  95. Does anyone know, or has anyone heard, how many juror questions there are in the basket for LaViolette?

    • I saw somewhere there were a lot. Don’t know how true it is though cuz I saw it on a “hater” site.

    • Acc to jvm there were so many questions they’ve lost count! Who knows? I think the Q’s began pouring in when JM began his XE from reading tweets for the last few days from those in the courtroom.

  96. I like ALV, but she needs to just stick to exactly what JW is asking and not expand too much.

    OMG leading, lack of foundation.

    This case sums up how State’s are not out seeking the truth of the matter in our judicial system. It is a win at all costs. The ends justify the means. Disgusting.

    • Yes which is very frustrating to me. But that is what they do. If you trust all police and prosecutors then you are a very ignorant person.

    • A few examples. They told the defense there was nothing interesting in TAs emails. Lie.

      They found no bullets or pictures of boys. Maybe. But I don’t believe them because it wouldn’t further their case.

        • Is it possible for someone to deliberately add a virus on to a computer so as to hide the internet activity, or to make it unsearchable? Also, can you tell when the virus came on to the computer? date/time etc? – that could be a huge telltale sign.

        • lets not forget the roommates and who ever in the house for 5 days they could have removed stuff

          • I think he did say there was a virus which was why it took him longer to extract info?

    • I can tell amd I dont see how anyone can’t see that ALV is a truthful person. She’s not going to just say stuff to plz someone.

  99. Question for SJ I saw your public service announcement, will that be available in vodka soon, LOL

  101. Martinez’ body language says it all I think – he knows he has lost.

    The best answer was to his last question – Alyce firmly said you could not look at one tiny paragraph in isolation, you have to look at the whole.

    That mirrors the lousy distortions that go on at HLN. Taking tiny clips out of all context.

  102. Wait a second – hold the phones!

    So, Juan is allowed to completely twist the previous testimony of witnesses who are no longer there to be cross-examined or re-directed in order to clarify, and it’s all okey-dokey. Objection is denied. But if the defense asks ALV a question and says “July” instead of “June or July”, that’s a mischaracterization and his objection is sustained?

    I realize that the rules are somewhat different during cross, but WHAT THE HELL?!

    • It’s also OK for Martinez to ask ALV if she interviewed TA (???) but the minute Jennifer brings up his name it’s Objection time!

  104. Holy shit! I’m gone for a mere five hours and you guys are already on a second thread!?

    I need to catch up. So I’ll be reading ’til my eyes bleed tonight. btw, how is AL holding up today?

    • I thought she did well. Her energy was good and Martinez wasn’t able to “beat her down.” She also was able to highlight a few pieces of info that could score points for Jodi.
      The only negative was when Martinez suggested to Alyce that “Jodi said she pulled the trigger” and Alyce agreed. Jodi never said she pulled the trigger as far as I know. She said the gun went off. Big difference. A new Martinez dirty tricks technique: sneakily getting agreement on altered testimony which damages the defendant..

    • LMAO!!!! Exactly….I think my eyes just started to bleed a little bit ago! That was hilarious! Thanks for the giggle!!! 🙂

  105. What’s this about where Travis was shot? Jodi got the gun off the closet shelf, I thought she said she shot him from the closet and he was in the bedroom?

    • I thought she shot him in the closet . . . drives me crazy listening to both sides because I get so confused!

  107. You know what is sad!!! I really don’t like the way the Alexander family have been acting since the beginning of this trail and TA was a nasty piece of crap BUT I really feel bad about the way they were treated by the parents, especially the mother while they were growing up. They were children and they didn’t deserve that.

    • I believe most people, when not blinded by hate and anger or are prone to emotional intoxication understand on a fundamental level that all people especially children deserve to be treated with basic decency.

      I think a lot of haters talk out of their ass because they know they are wrong, but don’t want to admit it. So they’d rather see this through till the bitter end, so they don’t have to eat their words.

      But at the end of the day, they know they would never want to have a trial against them be conducted the way Martinez has done. They know that they would never want HLN to cover a story about them the way it has been done to Jodi. They know that they would never want to have a partner treat them the way Travis treated Jodi. They know that they would never want their family dysfunction or relationship problems splashed all over the Internet for everyone to say that they deserve to be mistreated.

    • That”s what makes this case so sad. But just because you were treated badly doesn’t give you the right to be unkind to others. If anything, it should make you more careful of your actions.

    • Someone said the other day that it is usual for the detective to sit with counsel as they know the case better. Guess it is cheaper than co-counsel 🙂

    • I know right……..plus, he was a clothes whore, you could see it in his closet.

      • haha Clothes whore WOW ! never seen a Mormon/LDS or Jehovah witness that did not dress to the max they all wear the suits. I don’t get it though for the Temple they all disrobe anyways an wear the white pure outfits. Guess it is for show an regular church time.

        • LOL!

          “These shoes are $300,
          These shoes are $300,
          These shoes are 300 fucking dollars….
          LET’S GET ‘EM!”

    • Well we ALL know that he had to have paid a pretty penny for that ….ahem…dashingly stylish mustard colored suit!!!! AAARRRGGGHHH Please tell me…what was he thinking?

      • He must have had a set of clothes and shoes for every day of the year.

        I couldn’t believe that closet.

        And the jeans were hung up upside down on a special rack, and the shoes were perfectly spaced.

        Unreal.

  114. I just can’t stand it that JW can’t address the issues that JM used as smoke and mirrors because the judge sustains the objection….ugh

  115. JM says, “The modifier please, Extremely afraid” GIVE ME A BREAK….he’s a joke!

  116. That last objective that she should call him extremely afraid makes Juan look like a complete fool. It comes right on the heels of going over trips he took with her. Who goes on trips with someone they are extremely afraid of?

    • I’m extremely afraid of you, I’ll call you tonight, I’m horny. Sound extremely anger???

  118. She should ask ALV if she knew they were living 1000 miles apart TA when said he was extremely afraid of her.

  119. One word of advice I would give to AL is to get up to speed on social media used now-a-days for communication. Difference between email, testing, instant messaging, etc…

  120. Just googled Jodi Arias, top headline (CBS news) is

    “A prosecutor tried to show Wednesday that Travis Alexander was “extremely afraid” of Jodi Arias in the months before his deat….”

    And failed dismally is the implication.

    • I think it started out OK for JM, but JW turned it around as people don’t generally have sex or go on vacation with people they are afraid of 🙂

    • Yeah, let’s think back to that May 10 conversation where Travis said “You’re at the top of my list” and “I’m going to give you a cream pie.” That sure sounds like a man who was extremely afraid of his “stalker.”

  122. So I noticed that JA is writing in journal during the trial. Couldn’t her journal that was confiscated be considered privileged information as she has a right to assist in her defense and the journals could be characterized in this way?

  124. Just got back from Hospital for pelvic ultra sound and for the first time the “wand” camera..As I left for Hospital JM was talking about how Travis felt like just a ‘dildo”.. I never thought a Hospital procedure would be so much better than listening to the “little man” spew! Thank god JW is now re-crossing!! Will watch part of trial I missed but only when JW has started the cross! Go JW! 😉

  125. Off topic:

    I wish I knew which brand of shoes JW is wearing. She wears them quite often so they must be very comfortable. I wear high heels all the time but I’m not walking that comfortably by the end of the day.

  126. Was so glad kermit was done and was looking forward to watching JW rehabilitate but then had unexpected company drop in – augh- what have I missed?
    Was it GOOD???

  127. what a wonderful day for Jodi, and for DV victims everywhere. I am so happy.

    😀

  128. It’s the States job to get you convicted and the harshest possible sentence even if you are innocent. It’s the Defenses job to get you found Not Guilty or the lightest possible sentence no matter how guilty you are. Both sides, and in this trial the State in particular, are resorting to dirty and unethical practices to acheive their ultimate goal.
    It is up to the Judge to keep control and make sure the scale of justice doesn’t tip too far to either side during the trial.
    In that respect Stephens has done a terrible job.

    • It isn’t the State’s “job” to get a sentence even if you are innocent. They are supposed to work for the people of the State to seek the truth in justice.

      Now I agree our judicial system has stooped to the level as noted in your post but it isn’t constitutional no matter how one spins it.

    • Joe, can you give me an example of the defense using dirty unethical tactics. Because if there is even one, I would think that HLN and JM would have been all over that. :/

      I honestly think they’re doing the best they can for Jodi in spite of the overwhelming bullshit that the prosecutor is being allowed to get away with. I can list numerous incidents of their unethical tactics, but I’m having a hard time coming up with just one for the defense. But maybe I missed it since I’ve only started watching this trial about around March 29th.

  130. I just posted this on the TA page. No one steps up with an intelligent response. And I will probably be banned.

    What physical evidence of premeditation? Stealing grandpas gun (no one would connect that right?)? Renting a car in a bigger city? Not renting a red car? Borrowing gas cans from someone she knew would be questioned? Dyed hair was already proven false. Putting a license plate on upside down to AVOID attention?

    I know you are all pro Travis regardless, but perhaps someone can educate me on why I’m wrong.

  131. This testimony is so hard for Jodi…. what is she doing with her jacket? and the rocking.

    🙁 I feel so bad for her

  132. HA! GET EM’ JW!!!

    It was actually TRAVIS that was lying in this message where he is accusing Jodi of being a liar!

  135. Martinez want to get out of court now. He has to go take pictures with his stalker fans.

    • and he is worried about the lighting! What if it gets too dark, etc? Dusk may be a good backdrop for his newly blackened hair. 🙂

        • Hahaha – I believe I got that term from this forum somewhere… and when I actually typed it – only then did I make a connection and thought; “did I get that right?” lol (And seriously, no offense to transvestites who wish not to be confused with travestites!)

          • I use the word Travisites often.
            Worry it gets confused with Travis Sites.
            But never thought about Transvestites!
            I too mean no offense.

            Merely comparing the haters to parasites.

            Too funny though Lynn, you must have been really wondering what was going on!

          • I have to take credit, good or bad. I think that I coined the term Travistites, and I was thinking a combo of like stalactites and stalagmites and transvestites, with maybe some Rocky Horror overtones, like where the Trannies help kill Eddie and keep the party going regardless… I dunno. Reminded me of the way they think.

  137. I like that JW shows respect to the court by asking to approach the witness.

    I guess in AZ the prosecutor doesn’t need to do that either.

  139. The prosecutor can do what he wants apparently kind of like the sherriff of Maricopa County.

    • It is so clear that Travis was very jealous and controlling. He could not stand not having her around as his sex toy. It is soooo clear.

    • I’m sure JM and Sheriff Joe have shared a few drinks and discussed similar ideology.

    • I was telling hubby about something JM did this morning, I don’t use his name, refer to him as the prosecutor. Except when I told my husband what was going on, I called him The Prostitute! I laughed and corrected myself and hubby said…’sounds about right, they both get paid to screw people, except a prostitute has more integrity!” hahaha 😛

  140. So what is the scoop about the journals that were seized on April 1. Are those the ones being posted online, or something different?

  141. Exactly Jen! Very good! No one puts all the details of their day in a journal. You aren’t normal if you do.

    • I really liked how she put it back at JM that if you were trying to get back at someone wouldn’t you actually write it in your journal to prove your point.

  142. Go, Go, Go, Jodi defense team. Jennifer Willmott is awsome, a real top shelf lawyer and lady. And today she’s scoring touchdowns as usual.

  143. OMG he says lack of foundation when he said if it happened she would have written it in her journals. Really? How does this jerk sleep.

  144. Wouldn’t it be the coolest group of women to have a talk with, JW. ALV and Jodi. Omg I’m in

  145. So she told TA she wouldn’t write negative things? Wow. What more do you need? It is clear why she wrote her journal the way she was. She was very vulnerable to him and along with that stupid law of attraction she would not have written this stuff down. Young people do a lot of strange things. I can say tht looking back on my 58 years! 😉

    • I also recall from eariler in the trial that Mormons like to keep journals for the next generation – its a way they keep their geneology. So, why would she want to write about the bad things TA did to her when she was hoping to marry him and have kids with him? You want your kids to know your did used to abuse you before you were married?

  148. I say the fact she didnt write them in the journal, that she probably WAS happening… if she wanted to “frame” him as an abuser, she could have made up shit left and right..

  149. If Jennifer Wilmott ever gets divorced, I will be showing up on her doorstep in my best suit and with a handful of flowers.

  152. I don’t like ALV using the word evidence so much here. JW is asking a very specific question and ALV is getting off track. This was a question just to show that if JA wanted to make TA look bad and make things up she would have done it in her journal too.

  153. How can any person have any problem or hate for Alyce? Especially women. She has spent her life helping DV victims. Why would you have a problem with that?

    • Those troglodytes who say nasty things about her will get theirs. They are nasty little pieces of humanity and will all end up with bad mojo in their lives. You can’t be like that and not get away unscathed.

    • She’s not bowing at the altar of St. Travis and declaring Jodi to be the most evil sociopath in history. That’s why they hate her.

    • She’s a threat to JM victory here…so I can think of ONE person who has a problem with her… 😉

    • Good questions, Joe. Puzzling to me, too. MUST be a secondary gain for them somehow that is not obvious to us???

  154. If she had written about Travis’ pedophilia, and he would have seen, he would have killed her. I have NO DOUBT about it.

  155. Dear lord. He is objecting to questions about her finger. “She didn’t say which hand.” “I ask that she not be allowed to ask that question.” WTF???

    “Your honor, the prosecutor objects, on the grounds that he does not want the jury to hear any testimony whatsoever that may show that his case is a big old bundle of lies and complete and total bullshit.”

    • Why doesn’t pickles tell the jury to remember the testimony for god’s sake. I hate her!

  158. Hey y’all, (I posted this on the other page, reposting it here)

    Regarding the seized journals, it is the defendant’s motion to compel, meaning the defense wants the prosecution to turn over those journals.

    If the journals were seized by the jail, prosecution would automatically get them. They would not have to compel anyone to get them.

    Not sure what would help though. It’s April 1st, 2013. Meaning those journals were written while in prison, and they would not have anything useful that wouldn’t be spun as “lies” by the prosecution.

    I am outraged the prosecution seized her journals.

  163. Damn! I just lost the live feed in the middle of JW questioning ALV. Of course that didn’t happen during JM rambling on.

  165. Oh now she’ll ask for an approach when Jennifer characterizes the testimony as yelling, but when dipshit lied she told the jury to remember the testimony. I just listened to it today and what Dan Freidman said was “raised voice” . Sorta yelling isn’t it?

  166. WOW, COMMENT OFF TA SITE:

    It’s easy to understand why ANYone would abuse either one of those bitches.

    They are referring to the witness and Jennifer. And it is a woman saying it.

    Now I know their mind set. Its 1952 on that page.

    • As an older woman I just want to cry when I see things like this come out of the mouths of women, young or old. What happened to feminism?

      • Sad to say but on another hater site I replied to some asshole that claimed feminism was the cause of all this!

        • Actually a woman said a prayer during Mormon conference this weekend. There is also a group called Mormon Feminist. Change happens y’all it sometimes happens slowly. I will say this again as a JA supporter. I do not think this is a Mormon issue other than Travis lying to everyone, including his Church, to heavenly Father, his friends and Jodi.
          Now, PPL, they are the brainwashing pyramid schemers and are a bunch of losers. Not for one second do I believe the Church stands beside TA or his family. If they did, they would not have to have fundraisers for money to attend the trial. I know this, I am Mormon, a feminist, democrat, woman and I support Jodi.
          I do not feel I am an anomaly, as my friends; Mormons too, think he was a piece of work, Lots of women in the Church feel porn and infidelity is causing a breakdown of family values. If they thought for a second tithing was going toward TA, they wouldn’t tithe or give fast offerings. Now, that is not to say his Mormon friends or Ward are not behind him, I am saying LDS as a whole. Also, I live in Neighboring state and nobody has heard of this case. My Mormon friends wouldn’t listen to trash like this. I have not heard of one woman who isn’t glad she gave it to him. I do not believe he deserved to die but I do believed he deserved to get whatever it took to save her life from HIS attack. It is clearly Self defense, She knew, we know that TA read her journals. Also, i do not keep one. I found I was writing it, knowing it WOULD be read. Obviously when you die. Duh, My friend writes daily. Things like births, deaths, happiness. NEVER anything that would hurt another. Like, “my child was a jerk, my husband is messy.” What purpose would that hold, except to hurt someone. Journaling is more like History books. What happened that day, not every gory detail. who wants to remember that? Sorry for the book but, seriously JM is way off if he thinks she would write about the man she loved and hoped to Marry. “Travis was jacking off to little boys.” She wanted him to get help, she thought he/she could change him. Also, this Hypothetical is out of hand by JM, not fact at all. I am so glad Miss W, turned it on him. I think Jodi went to AZ on 6/4 to give TA every dfantasy he wanted, to convince him to take her to Cancun, I think she loved him and do I think she was obcessed with him, Yes I do. Enough to kill him, NEVER, then she would never have him. She loved him. He used her. If nothing else…. Jodi, he wont hurt you again and nobody will replace you. Thanks. I really enjoy this site. BTW, I went to Amazon and wrote an amazing review for ALV, man did people go crazy on me. I dont care. You can go see it. It is under Patty. Oh and I also got an Email from a TA supporter who came after me personally and she emailed me and emailed me a nasty letter. She apologized to me. it was lovely. I should send it to you SJ. Peace all
          Patty

          • Thank you for your comments, Patty. I think that a lot of posters here who make derogatory comments about Mormonism are referencing the way in which some Mormons associated with this case, most of them PPL participants, use the church and its tenets to further their own agenda(s), not that the church, in a top-down fashion, has created this environment. I equate it in my mind to the sins perpetrated by certain members of th RC Church, mostly against young boys by priests. It’s not that the Church is bad, it’s that bad people have exploited their positions and customs of the Church to evil ends.

    • WOW!! Those people are frightening! But the fact that this woman said that, she is worried by what is being testified to. They know it’s damaging to St. Travis

  167. Always a side bar when JW is crossing, not overruled like with JM!! Def bias when it comes to def vrs. pros! SO obvious!!! And what woman wouldn’t be upset if 2 guys were rummaging thru their backpack!!!

  170. WildAboutTrial @WildAboutTrial

    I see the note taker juror getting out a juror question form. He has added quite a few questions with this witness. #JodiArias

  171. In my opinion this case is steadily moving in the direction of finding a verdict of > NOT GUILTY.

  173. I wrote some stuff about my abuser in a journal… then, after he KILLED someone ELSE, and the BCA came over to talk to me, when they left, I burned them all.

    • Annie, every time I see your avatar I have to smile because it reminds me so much of the emoticon on my android for :cool:, it’s a little android head wearing sunglasses that truly radiates coolness lol

      • OMG! I didn’t know that putting colon bookmarks around the word *cool* would give me the emoticon!
        But the one that showed up in my post above isn’t as cute as the one that shows up on my android with sunglasses…

    • That man was really witty and imaginative when it came to degrading women!

    • You got that right Joe. That is the worst kind of abuse. It is said to be worse than physical abuse.

      • Thank you for recognizing that Edward. Most women I know who were abused ALWAYS say the verbal was faaaar worse than the physical. I would say the same based on my experience. And the worst part of that “tension building” phase of the abuse was walking on eggshells, being “set up” for a fall, relentless insults and anger, and never actually knowing when the big “blow up” was going to come. Sometimes, that phase seemed to go on forever, day in, day out. It was like living with JM tearing at you every minute of every day. At the end, I couldn’t handle that phase well and I often did something deliberately that I knew would really anger him, just to bring about the explosive phase and get it over and done with. I didn’t even care that I would be physically hurt or even that I was risking my life. I just couldn’t stand any more verbal assaults, the moods, the temper tantrums, not being able to feel safe even for a minute. I just wanted the blow up to happen. After the blow up, I generally had some reprieve where he would pretend to be kind and maybe even half-ass apologize. But at the end, when I was trying to leave and he knew it, that part (the “honeymoon phase”) didn’t last very long either.

        If there is one person on that jury who has been in an abusive relationship, surely they must feel like a few days on the stand with JM is very reminiscent of it.

  177. Manipulation. I hope JW talks about how using JM’s tactics are manipulation. If she does I will break out a bottle of champagne that’s in my fridge…

        • yep,I spend 6 hours a day teaching young children and have to drink a lot of water to keep my mouth from getting too dry and end up using the ladies’ room a lot lol!

  179. GO Jennifer!!! We KNOW TA called her all those things, BUT, she didn’t write them in her journal!!!

  180. Jennifer is kicking ass I must say and Alyce looks much more relaxed. Jennifer is doing a fantastic job of rehabbing any damage that Martinez did which frankly I don’t think was much.

  181. Martinez doesn’t come across as a bulldog like I keep hearing. He comes across as a bully. That is going to be what bites him on the ass along with Stephens obvious bias with him.

    • I agree Joe. I’ve said pretty much the same thing from the start of this trial. JM is just so mean and abusive that anything constructive he may have put forth is over shadowed by his loud mouthed jack assery!

  182. Lmao JVM was just on trying to do a head stand like Jodi and her first attempt didnt quite make it.

  184. I wish JW would ask AL

    if the event of Jun 4 would end up Jodi to be the one killed by TA and TA the one charged with the crime of killing Jodi and the defense would hire her to testify one the behalf of TA if she would take the case

    And AL will answer NO

    But if the prosecutor would want to hire her would she take the case

    And AL will answer no

      • Fair question to ask if the prosecution asked you to take this case …. not sure the defense would need a DV expert if Travis was on trial because the prosecution doesn’t need one.

        They’d have someone testify about the stalking claims I bet.

    • I would say she would say YES to defense an NO to Prosecutor………….as If the tables were turned an all this was the other way around. I would be for Travis if Jodi had treated Travis the way Travis treated Jodi.

      This is why I can not be labeled a man hater. If a woman did this crap to a man I would be just as upset. IF the proof was there as it is on texts Instant messages an emails.

      Now if you mean leave it all as it is an change the 2 around with the same evidence. An Travis was on Trial for Self Defense ? it would be totally different as Travis was not abused Jodi was so Alyce would still be on Jodi’s side then which would be for the Prosecutor then. Because Alyce is about domestic violence I don’t see how she could testify for Travis because there is no proof of abuse from Jodi to him. It is all hearsay from friends that Travis had planted.

  185. Regardless of anything else, one cannot come away from AVL testimony and not know that she believes in that of which she is saying.

  186. some one should tell the defense that HLN is bringing a lip reader on tonight to try to read the salad bars…

  187. WildAboutTrial @WildAboutTrial

    I heard through the salmon vine that the defense had one more witness to call after Alyce. #JodiArias

  189. My youngest son surprised me and stopped by my office!! Haven’t seen him in weeks. Have I missed much???? JW still working her magic???

  191. Wonder if there will be time for jurors questions or if JM will re-cross.

    I’m worried he might just have swayed some jurors today regarding the gun and where the shot was fired

      • It was some off hand remark about her shooting him in the closet?? But, we all know it wasnt done there… I missed part of it.

    • I don’t think JM gets to re-cross. It hasn’t happened so far with any of the other witnesses. I think we go to jury questions after this.

        • No that was after jury questions. That’s the next time he gets to question ALV and we do this all over again.

          The AZ rules of criminal procedure are pretty clear. Direct, cross, re-direct, jury questions, redirect by person whose witness it was, cross, redirect and we’re done, unless someone crosses the line and the judge allows some extra questioning.

          • From what I’ve read, re-cross is exceptionally rare in AZ and has to be very specific (something JM couldn’t be if he tried until the cows come home — then again, that judge would probably not rein him in).

    • Well I thought Jodi testified that she shot him in bathroom but doesn’t remember pulling the trigger and AL testified Jodi told her she died the gun and it was in the closet. Not only did she testify but Juan played a tape from a previous pre-trial meeting where she had testified to those facts as well and you could tell today she was hesitant to say what Jodi told her again today. At least that was my perception.

      Here is my concern; in my heart of hearts I know AVL believes Jodi and everything she has testified to HOWEVER, her method of trying to be as clear as should could be and not allow Juan to trick her or put words in her mouth may have made her look bias because she wouldn’t give an inch. Sometimes it came off like she anticipated him twisting her immediate comment so she tried to cut him off at the pass . by doing so it may make some jurors think she just sides with Jodi no matter what.

      It’s hard because it even got me thinking.

      • I hear you, Brenda. I wished that she would have trusted JW to clear things and answered a more ‘yes’ or ‘no’ like dumbass wanted cuz I think that would have shut him up sooner. At the same time, I have read other places that she would not sway; JM was ‘trying’ to break her, etc. (Sorry can’t remember where I read that – but I was actually surprised by it.) I believe if there are ‘haters’ on the jury that have been watching hln then it won’t matter what was or was not said. And as for the smart, discerning and/or intelligent jurors, I believe they will know that was her experience-in-action and her attempt to not have words put in her mouth.

        • Well the good news is there is reasonable doubt all over the place! I have never seen a case or prosecution bring forth such little physical evidence or focus on the crime seen when some evidence does exists. Makes me wonder why!

        • I’m glad Alyce L. didn’t allow him to put words in her mouth. Why should she agree to lies?

          • Here’s what JA testified to regarding the shooting.

            ARIAS: When I grabbed the gun, I ran out of the closet. He was chasing me. I turned around. We were in the middle of the bathroom. Pointed it at him with both of my hands. I thought that would stop him. If someone were pointing a gun at me, I would stop. But he just kept running. He got like a linebacker. He got kind of low and grabbed my waist.

            But before he did that, as he was lunging at me, the gun went off. I didn`t mean to shoot him or anything. I didn`t even think I was holding the trigger. I just was pointing it at him. And I didn`t even know that I shot him. It just went off, and he was — he lunged at me, and we fell. He`s grabbing at my clothes. And I got up and he`s just screaming angry.
            —————————————————————————
            AL’s saying that JA shot TA in the closet will be an issue because the jurors already know that JA lied several times about what happened that day so to hear yet another version will be tough for the defense.

            • erica,

              Did JW finish yet? Wasn’t listening to the last few minutes. I remember her ask AL on direct if what happened after was important to her case because AL’s details were sketchy then about Jodi defending herself that day. I remember AL not being that clear on what happened and JW clarifying whether the details were important to DV because it occured after. Maybe she can rehab that part.

            • No one is talking about this yet … but the bigger problem with that testimony is that it doesn’t justify the force she used afterwards.

              What it does do, however, is provide enough evidence (I really think) for a slew of lesser included charges, such as murder in the second degree, manslaughter and possibly even aggravated assault with a deadly weapon (although not sure about the last one).

              The defense is pushing a fine line between saving her life and justifying self defense. I don’t think enough has been provided in evidence to justify the amount of force she used at all, and that’s a problem for self defense, and the jury instruction given on this issue will address that.

              • AA,

                I agree. I’ve always said that the strongest case for the prosecution here is manslaughter. That throat wound has always been the sticking point for a full acquital, in my view.

                • Really Al? You think the slashed throat could result in acquittal? I think that’s the ONE wound that will result in the jury feeling a “need” to convict Jodi of something.

                • I agree with AA. The throat wound was the worst one and the wound that could be the hardest for the jury to get past, IMO.

                • Ahhhh I see what you’re saying now Cindy. Brain dead not a morning person here.

                  The other thing that bothers me for the jury is that the crime scene photos of Travis were taken 5 days after he died, and they’ll have them in the jury room. Any body is going to look much much worse 5 days later, even without wounds. My Dad died of a massive coronary when I was 15 and a friend of his made me look at him in his coffin. That image still haunts me, and that was after the funeral parlour staff did their work on his corpse. He didn’t look anything like my Dad to me. He looked stiff and dead, with purple lips. Now, perhaps the skills of a funeral parlour in Ireland in 1980 were not as good as they are today, because several people who’ve gone to wakes have said the person looked peaceful, as if they were sleeping. But I have NEVER been able to go to a wake or a funeral since seeing my Dad that way. Before that, I’d been with my Dad’s aunt when she passed away, and was actually holding her hand. To me, she looked very peaceful, but it was so different with Dad, seeing him several days later, even embalmed.

                  The jury will see these crime scene photos and perhaps not understand how much worse everything looks 5 days later, especially the wounds. How much will that prejudice them in thinking that a young man’s life was cut short?

  192. It will be interesting to see if JW addresses the gun shot in closet testimony and knife on nightstand.

  196. Jodi looks like she’s about to keel over. They need to get her some sleep and food. I thought the constitution prohibited this for even convicted persons, and she’s just there because she can’t afford the bail. So I guess its OK to be sleep deprived and starved by the State if you’re indigent.

    This just sucks.

  197. There is so much fucking spaghetti hanging off the walls and ceiling it is starting to look like Halloween in the courtroom.

    Excuse the language (although that is mild compared to what I’m actually thinking).

      • Renee’….I want you to have a drink…bubble bath and relax tonight. You s…need to keep up with your school work….Hummm I sound like a mom….lol oh wait I am…boys darn…lol

        • LOL… I am a mom too, but my three boys are all grown up.

          Plan for tonight:

          No more homework

          Copious amounts of Brandy

          “12 Angry Men” In the DVD player

          Hubby

          I am good to go 😀

            • I have 25, 23, and 21 year old… and a grand-baby! I am 44! Although, I will admit, I look younger… but that is only cuz of my 36 year old hubby! He keeps me young!

  201. I might …….just might listen to a touch of HLN….only during commercial breaks for NCIS!!!!! I kinda what to know what they have to say about today!!

  203. Attn SJ:

    Is the defense aware HLN is having a lip reader tonight to try and read salad bars, and convos in the court room???

    • I don’t think they should go there considering side bars aren’t on the record right? Does the court reporter go with them when these go down?

      Considering people are clearly calling the prosecution as well as the defense( if we’re being honest here) with info they hear or see online/media, this would be a dangerous thing to put on the air. What if they say something, it’s used on court and turns out to be false or can be shown the lip reader said it on air. does HLN want more of their on air talent on the stand?

  204. Overall, a wonderful day. Alyce LaViolette is one of the best witnesses I’ve ever seen…and the first time I saw Jennifer Willmott, I told my husband that I knew who I wanted as an attorney if I ever got into trouble in Arizona (okay – very unlikely that I would a) be in trouble or b) be in Arizona, but you get my drift! 🙂 ). I’m going to clean a bit and then say goodnight. I will not be watching Nancy Grace or her bottom-feeders tonight! May tomorrow be another wonderful day!

    • Paige I’d have to disagree that this was a good day for JA. Where the shooting took place is going to be a major issue bc Jodi said bathroom and LaViolette said closet. Mixed with the three stories that JA has already told this could make her out to be completely untruthful.

      Also, I believe the jurors will realize that a person can be stalked whether they are in fear or not bc stalking has to do with the person doing it and not always the victim. For example there have been people stalked that never new it.

      The juror questions will be very telling.

      • Oh bull. Take that garbage elsewhere.

        There is NO evidence TA was EVER stalked by Jodi. My God, I think you are on the wrong website.

      • Stalking has EVERYTHING to do with the victim. It is UNWANTED by the victim. THAT is why it is considered stalking.

        I can’t believe you even wrote this crap. TA was never stalked by her.

        • This is not about how anyone on a website blogging feels but more about how the jury will see this. I’ve watched each and every day of the trial and and AL and JA have to be in agreement on what the testify about especially when you consider the different versions.

          Where the shooting took place will be an issue because AL said closet and JA said bathroom. Below are the minutes.

          ARIAS: When I grabbed the gun, I ran out of the closet. He was chasing me. I turned around. We were in the middle of the bathroom. Pointed it at him with both of my hands. I thought that would stop him. If someone were pointing a gun at me, I would stop. But he just kept running. He got like a linebacker. He got kind of low and grabbed my waist.

          But before he did that, as he was lunging at me, the gun went off. I didn`t mean to shoot him or anything. I didn`t even think I was holding the trigger. I just was pointing it at him. And I didn`t even know that I shot him. It just went off, and he was — he lunged at me, and we fell. He`s grabbing at my clothes. And I got up and he`s just screaming angry.

          ——————————————————————————————-

          The jurors questions will be telling.

          • The jury will listen to Jodi’s testimony in regard to the shooting. She was actually THERE. Alyce just misinterpreted what Jodi said; the jury isn’t going to look at that as “yet another lie.”

          • Bullshit. I think ALV just misspoke. Or, as it has been stated, Jodie was in a very stressful situation and we know memory fails us during times like this. It’s a scientific FACT. I know personally how memory fails us in stressful situations. I know. I’ve been there.

      • It’s not a problem, AL obliviously misunderstood JA during the interview or because it wasn’t info that made any difference to assessing wether or not domestic violence/abuse was present in the relationship prior to the killing she (AL) didn’t commit that info to memory and misspoke today. Either way the evidence backs up what JA said, there was no blood or visible disturbance in the closet. Also, to me, if JA did say closet to AL wouldn’t that be more proof that JA really does have foggy to no real accurate memories of the event? Didn’t JA say only as time has gone on has bits come back? Or perhap, since JA has been told, and shown photos of, the crime scene evidence her limited memory has “filled” in some of the blanks over time. Didn’t Dr. Samuel discuss that possibility concerning dis associative amnesia?

      • Erica, I think it was a good day overall and I also think every day is one step closer to a positive outcome in favor of Jodi Arias. And as far as the stalking goes you pay attention to the testimony. And it was that Travis called her a stalker and then continued to see her. And I’m convinced he said that around his buddies also just to impress them. I can here it now, “Hey Slim, I gotta stalker, Jodie Arias”. >BULLSHIT. A young woman of Jodie’s looks, talent and charisma would never have to stalk a man. Let’s face it, she could of had 5 guys instead of TA. Sorry to be so blunt, but that’s just reality. And… even when Juan Martinez is cross examining, it’s still a good day because all he does is belittle people all day. His personality is sickening.

        • I can’t believe after all this time anybody could possibly believe Jodi was a stalker–ever.

          JW gave a great rundown on JA’s alleged stalking today.

      • If you really stop and think about it….why would the Huges even care what Travis did to Jodi?…….Because they “liked” her. So for him to now say all the BS about her….ummm once you rang that bell….

  206. It should be no surprise that Nancy Grace likes to manipulate the truth, have you seen the way the lighting crew manipulates her face? The amount of creative lighting to make her look somewhat tv ready is astounding. I watched the you tube video of NG outside the jail and she looks nothing like she does on her show.

    • Every time I hear NG use the word “truth” (like in that ad for her show) I want to puke…

  207. I am so happy JW ended the day! Jodt did not look well, though. Hope for a good day tomorrow. Take care ln the storms, all

  208. I remember reading something recently, that the average Jury today are very interested in crime scene information, as we live in the world of CSI etc. I know they have reviewed finger sprints, blood spatter etc. ad nauseum, but I do not recall any crime scene specialist testifying to the overall appearance of the crime scene and if it indicates a well thought out premeditated murder vs. a spur of the moment self defense scene that was poorly cleaned up. It sure appears to me that it wasn’t a well thought out, planned murder just by the scene, but I’m no CSI specialist.

    Prior to boycotting HLN, one of Drew Pimpsky’s guests asked him the question and he quickly diverted the conversation, thus telling me he also knows it isn’t the scene of premeditation.

    Does anyone know if the defense will be putting a crime scene specialist on to testify to this?
    Also wondering if the defense will be putting on an ME to dispute the State theory of the gunshot?

    • You took the words right out of my mouth. I actually responded to a comment above and started heading this way! I need them to call a CSI expert and focus on the discrepancies and point out that its strange the prosecution choose to spend such a small amount of time on this evidence! In a case like this you would think it would have been a larger portion of the states case. Instead JM has worried about gas cans, Receipts, anal sex, ky and Cancun

      • I would love a CSI perspective on the scene… it would be great if he/she would talk about the evidence we don’t seem to be hearing a lot about… bloody dried shoe print in the bathroom, the fact that there could not have been planning, but just like in the CA trial,,,, the SMELL. How could the roommates overlook this smell? I don’t believe we know the story but I believe there was at least one other person besides TA and JA in that room and if this were investigated, I bet it could be proven.

    • You are both correct. I did leave out the part of the shoddy investigation and all the evidence that has been ignored. Good points.

      • So true, I would also like to know more about what they were able to recover from jodis broken computer? ??? That was the main reason why the trial took this long to start and mrs Wilmot did state that there were pictures in there that showed abuse eary in the relationship. WHY, WHY HAVEN’T THEY BROUGHT THIS IN???

  209. And JVM needs to speak in a normal tone, she yells too much for someone wearing a microphone. She was at one point more open to the other side , but has jumped in line with the rest of HLN. I would be embarrassed if I were CNN.

  210. One thing I’ve learned through this, if I’m called to the police station about something someone I know does. I am telling them can’t do it. If I’m pressed I’m taking a lawyer. One other thing why didnt Jodi have the ppl stuff to have access for an attorney, did she not buy the coverage or did they just deny she had it.?

    • I shouldn’t answer questions that I’m not sure of but the ppl insurance was sold to lawyers. It wouldn’t be a policy she’d need. If she had Lawyer contacts to call IDK

    • PPL people automatically get this service. Part of their package when selling it to others. PPL is a scam company, and the lawyers you are subject to are a joke, mostly for small offenses… not a murder or DP case.

      More for track tickets, writing a will…. etc.

  212. I didn’t catch the end yet, did JW end her re-cross or will she continue in the am?

  213. I’m thinking the jury questions for this whiteness will extremely telling as far as what we can expect from the verdict. I don’t know how much closing arguments help but I’ve never been on a jury.

    • The jury questions would be telling except that the jurors put questions in the basket from the time the witness first gets on the stand. All the while we go through direct, cross, and then re-direct, they’re putting in their questions and I’ve noticed that most of their questions have been answered by the time the witness gets off the stand. It gives us an idea of what they might be thinking, but it doesn’t tell us if they’ve been convinced otherwise somewhere along the line in the testimony.

      • True, but some of the questions do help us in looking at their thought processes which helps me in figuring out what kind of person asked the question. Oh wait, I can’t read behind the words, right? Lol!

        • I wonder if juror 5’s questions are still there in the basket or if the court officer removed them when she was excused. I know they’re told to not put their names on the question papers, but maybe they put their juror #?

    • Jury could be asking question that prelude to their own life…. I saw that when Dr. Sameuls was on the stand….. Which they try to piece into this mystery puzzle DP case.

      You never know what is in the minds of a juror, and remember the person who is asking these questions or the biggest share of the questions might not even be one of the 12 picked.

      Just food for thought.

      • Agreed. There could be only 4 out of the whole 18 of them asking questions at all.

        • I read yesterday from one of the news reporters who’s in the courtroom that most of the questions are coming from one person for Alyce. Interesting……..

  214. Ng just mentioned LV notes about the gun. She is so grating. One time when the Stacy Peterson trial was on, NG asked a dr if a fetus (stabbed while in the womb) would run out of air. This was after she had her funny looking kids.

    • Rumor is that they are recalling the wittiness that authenticated the sex tape, there was supposedly 7 tapes in total that were handed over. Don’t know what it means if its true.

        • Maybe only one was admitted into evidence. They may have been prejudicial for the prosecution.

      • Kimberley,

        Where are you getting this information? It was said today in court there was only one tape.

        • A friend of mine told me she read or saw it on TV somewhere. Like I said that is the rumor not sure if that’s the witness being called or not

          • From what my friend says she thinks the others were not put into evidence because they could be prejudicial. I guess I’ll have to wait and see who the witness is and what happens

  216. HLN must be worried, they seem to be gleaning info from here. They are upset because they know premeditated is pretty much a wash. One of the HLN talking heads alluded to it being a crime of passion, they will be discussing it on After Dark. It is the most ridiculous network. Dr Drew is a joke too, I never understood his premise. He claims to want to get to the root of people’s behavior, but it is as though he just wants to disparage people. The whole double standard thing is a joke too. Jodi did not exhibit any mean spirited behavior towards Travis. She loved him too much. He didn’t love her , he used her and abused her and tried to make her look bad so that he could continue to keep her as his secret.

  217. Someone please refresh my memory…I thought Jodi shot Travis in the closet but NG and gang are saying that Jodi testified they were in the bathroom…my original image is the closet (immediately after grabbing the gun off the shelf) but then I started getting an image of the bathroom (perhaps I’ve been watching too much HLN and become brainwashed)…can someone please help me?

    • Ah ha, Jean C. just corrected NG, that Travis followed her into the closet and that’s where she shot him. You should have seen NG skirt right around that one and quickly proceed in a different direction to prove she’s lying.

      • Actually, I found this to be a somewhat problematic issue today, at least it COULD be depending on how the jurors think of it. (one never knows) When Jodi testified, she was very explicit and exact about this part, and said she ran down the hall, into the closet, slammed the door behind her, grabbed the gun, heard TA come in the closet behind her, ran into the bathroom, he followed her into the bathroom, and she pointed the gun at him with both hands and it went off without her even realizing she had pulled the trigger, causing them both to fall to the tile floor together. So, today, while JM is crossing ALV, he is reminding her that during their interview a month before trial, she tells him that Jodi told her the shooting happened in the closet. Then he plays the recording of her saying that. Now, some people might think this is no big deal, but some people, (jurors, which is really all that matters) might find this troubling. They are 2 different versions, so you have to wonder why that is, and believe me, this case is serious and the jurors are taking every bit of it that way. I think juror questions tomorrow will be very telling, at least it will give us a little hint as to what they are thinking, or have been thinking since ALV has been on the stand.

    • But she was backing up towards the door to the bathroom is what I understand telling him to stop
      I really do not understand exactly where the gun went off at though but thought it had to be in the bathroom
      I was guessing because when he did the tackle which would have pushed her further
      into the bathroom she remembers seeing the scales? so maybe it was the closet an then the
      linebacker move to tackle her pushed her through the door into the bathroom that is what
      I have in my head though.

      • Maybe she was in the bathroom and he was leaping from the closet.

        Anyway, psychological experts can’t be expected to remember details of the actions the way a police detective would. Jodi grabbed the gun in the closet, backed into the bathroom while Travis was chasing her through the closet. She turned around and pointed the gun at him and the gun went off as he was leaping at her. A psychologist wouldn’t ask, where was he standing when he began to leap like a linebacker? They’ve got the gist of it and their concerns are very different from say, Flores’ concerns. At least she isn’t saying the gunshot came last. LOL

        • Remember Martinez, screaming like a lunatic questioning Jodi, and were BOTH HIS FEET in the shower? Was ONE FOOT in the shower? LOL Can you imagine Alyce LaViolette asking a client, and were both his feet in the closet when he attacked you like a linebacker? Or were both his feet in the bathroom? Was one foot in the closet? LOL NOT her concerns and certainly not her style.

  218. I can’t believe what I just heard. NG just said that compared to ALV, JM has charisma. I swear the world is turning inside out…

    • I can believe it that is why I call her a Nasty DIsgrace she is a horrid woman that spreads vicious rumors how sad she is from the South truly a Disgrace for Georgia her home state.

      Honestly I watched her when she would do the lost children or adults. But even then sometimes she
      went overboard accusing some parents of doing something horrid to their own baby’s one I can
      remember well was in MO the parents failed the lie detector thing an she went as far to say they
      must have done it. Then a week or so later it was a neighbor down the road that killed the baby
      girl. I felt so bad for that family if they watched that show she made them into horrible parents.

    • Well, he’s a lot like here and she thinks she has charisma (puke) so it makes perfect sense she would say that LOL

  219. Don’t know what happened to my earlier posts. Guess they weren’t important enough. Anyway, I’m still going to support JODI all the way to her victory over the evil troll and his android sidekick,…the judge. P.S., I think someone should investigate JM, the judge and the “talking head” experts at HLN to see if there was judicial misconduct in any of the cases they wee involved with in the past. Although I’m sure both JM and the android have been.

    • Nancy Disgrace used to be a prosecutor and there’s a ton of prosecutorial misconduct and unethical stuff against her from those days. Since she started her show on TV she’s been sued two or three times by families of guests who committed suicide from being so badly treated by Nancy. Nancy’s response to the guests who committed suicide was to shrug and say, “well, so what, they must have been guilty if they committed suicide.” Nancy Disgrace is a true sociopath. You should read her Wiki page.

    • Sometimes thing happen with comments not being posted when the website has a ton of comments. I know nothing any comment of yours being censored.

    • DUKE…….I can see your post. Sometimes you have to scroll back a long ways to find your older posts also it takes me a long time to get through one day of posts on here. I think you can use that SEARCH box up there also to find your posts also? I haven’t used it before though I just seen others say that on here.

      Anyways I agree with you they should be investigated but maybe we will get a acquittal out of this I pray anyways. If not that time served or at the least a few years but not DEATH an CERTAINLY not life without parole for a Self Defense case.

  220. I am really concerned about AL.The harrassment is all over on twitter and facebook…etc.Is there anyone knows, law wise, if this is actually a chargeable offense?

    • No only because it would be hard to prove. It can be reported to the FBI. They have a cyber division for harassment via the web. The angle I would use is the hate rhetoric about her being gay along with the threats.

      • Thanks Jc I think your right,Hate crimes are worse to them as opposed to all disgusting ways they are trying to ruin her career etc.I am going to try to get some more screen shots.Have plenty on the slander and defamation etc.

        • I wonder what ever happened to all the NG fan nuts who threatened the jurors after the Casey Anthony verdict. I wonder if they were charged and prosecuted and if so, with what?

          • None were. None. ANd we actively helped posters who a hater found their home addresses and threatened rape to their children via email. Nothing was done in the state where this person resided. They wouldn’t even take a police report.

            • Wow,did not know that.Its typical and that wonder why people do not report things…We are a country that does not believe in preventive measures.Something really bad has to happen before getting the help! ^That is so sick.

            • WOW JC. No one charged with anything!!!! When I was young, THAT would have been headline news. It’s so upsetting.

              • Same here. And we get death threats all the time on this site in comments we don’t post. So sick of their side attacking us saying we need to die with jodi. I’m drained right now. I’m taking screenshots though. i really think these people are real abusers – both men and women and are projecting their issues onto this case in the guise of justice. I dont believe the people that hate who say they were victims because they would understand that abuse is hidden by the victim. It’s been explained, its not rocket science anymore for them. They hate, they hate and hate some more. Sorry for my rant. Just tired.

                • Thank you for your support. I feel like a whiner. I need to buck up, knock it off and collect evidence.

                • OMG I’m so sorry that you guys have to deal with such stupidity. I do understand a lot of people do that behind the ‘security’ of the internet. I wonder if someone should create a website that just lists these comments along with those who made the comments (their screen names, avatars, what they think they stand for). It would be kind of the the websites that have child abusers photos on them – it makes it shameful to be on it. Maybe creating this type of website to bring the hatred to light will make these people think about what they are doing.

                  I know I just totally rambled on, I was just trying to get my thoughts out. Perhaps someone smarter than I can elaborate on the concept and make something of it.

                • No I understand. Is there a website out there that exposes cyber bullies? If SJ says it’s okay, I will do that! I have something in mind already.

                • I wondered about that. You do such a great job on here I never see any hate comments. I don’t know how you can keep up with it all but you have a wonderful
                  place to come an post with out the harassment. Thanks so much to you an the other admins on here. Hope you can get some rest ((( JC an other admin))) big hugs for ya too 😉

                • JC-
                  So sorry that you all have to go through that to have a website for truth and justice. I personally think all of this hate goes way beyond people being mentally unstable and sick. I believe in evil forces in this world, and think that we are seeing evil incarnate. They believe by instilling fear, they will stop good people from doing good.

                  Know you have my whole hearted support and gratitude for what you are all doing. Hope you can take a rest and get away from it a bit, as that much hate and vitriol can be wearing on our emotions and overall health.

                  ((((hugs)))

                • I thank you for your support as well. We are all a team supporting Jodi and victims of DV and their allies. 🙂 (((hugs back at ya)))

                • (((((Hugs)))) to you JC, MB, & SJ and all of the admins for all your hard work. I cannot thank you all enough for keeping this a safe site for all of us to support Jodi and discuss the trial.

                • Hang in there JC!!! The mob mentality is insane!! It honestly shows their true colors! Thank you for providing this site for us and Jodi, and am sending good thoughts your way! Stay strong!!!

            • Could the FBI get involved since use of wires (internet) and threats crossing state lines were involved?

            • But haven’t laws been passed now that are beginning to address cyber-stalking and threats?

              • cindyp-
                yes there have been laws instituted and I would imagine the Feds would get involved in a situation like this because the threats come from the evil ones in different states.

  221. I really appreciate that Alyce made a point to say that stalking has a definition. Stalking is the type of behavior that is threatening and produces fear. It is something that people seek help for, they start locking their doors, getting restraining orders and change their passwords.

    They don’t keep IMing, texting, calling, making plans with, having sex with, exchanging cutesy couple phrases with someone that they believe is stalking them.

    Listening to JM gives me the impression that he believes he can re-define words to suit his own argument, regardless of the legal and psychological definitions that have been around since Alyce started working.

    For the way JM butchers the english language, he should be a member of TOPY (Thee Temple ov Psychick Youth)

    • Being stalked turns your whole life upside down. I couldn’t even go grab milk at a store, always had to have someone with me.

      • Right exactly. It’s typically not something you tell your friends so you can keep having sex with your ex girlfriend behind their backs because they don’t like her.

        I hope JW brings up the fact that Travis called his other ex girlfriends “psycho” too.

    • I noticed he completely mispronounced a word yesterday – forgot what it was now but I chuckled.

      • I changed my damn name! I used to be Renee’, and legally changed my first name, and put the Renee’ second, because I WAS SO DAMNED SCARED.!

        • I hear you Renee.

          It’s ironic how HLN has been saying that Jodi coming out about being abused somehow diminishes other victims. But what do they think they are doing to victims of stalking when they say Travis was stalked by Jodi?

          I just heard that Travis was taking trips with his stalker. Lol Go JW, exactly, it’s just as ridiculous as it sounds.

    • Aaaggggghhh I was SOOOOOO upset this morning when he got away with that shit!!! Im glad Wilmontt cleared it up!!!!!

      ANNDDDDD she shouldve added that TA was saying this to a woman, most likely to make Jodi look bad!

      • LC,
        I agree. I was sooooo upset. This stalking shit and she is cleaning his house!! He is trying to have his cake and eat it too. Isnt it obvious that TA was lying to his friends in case they saw him with Jodi. “Im not seeing her, she is stalking me” OMGosh what BS.. Cant they see that, why not JW say that. I am getting so upset about the stalking crap. Please answer me this, why cant TA’s journals and text and IM’s be brought in.

      • Yes! And the idea that 200lb, weight lifting, UFC and MMA fanatic Travis was hiding behind an underweight girlfriend for protection is the stupidest idea I’ve ever heard of.

  222. I believe after this trial there should be some sort of bill put in place that only allows court proceedings televised on a non-profit station, much like C-Span – court proceedings only…no commentary.

    • I agree Ms B,so out of control .They are feeding these hate mobs.I will not watch HLN! Please boycott everyone.

      • We should not only boycott them, we should let their advertisers know that we’re boycotting them.

          • Yes I have even gone so far as to make sure that channel is skipped when I channel surf. I cannot even stand to see their faces briefly or their dumb captions. I have been so much happier :). I am just glad they have a live stream of this trial.

        • I did!!!!! But then again I never did like that insightful Bitch. So I never turn to it. Ok when I first started watching this trial….but that is before I found that I could live stream it.

    • I agree it would be nice to have a channel with the trials with no commentators at all on it. I thought that Court TV was that way once? but then it went to Tru TV an now that channel is just a bunch of reality crap shows. IN Session is not on it even anymore here. But then all those commentators were exactly as HLN are so I did not like it anymore either. I just watch the videos on here when posted now or the live feed if it works for me.

      • Yes CourtTV was really good when it was first started. When it turned into TruTV it became just another reality channel.

    • Ms. B. –
      That is a great idea. Unfortunately it wouldn’t stop trash networks from insighting the mobs. I think the FCC needs to be more involved in that aspect. I know it’s a slippery slope and I don’t want to see restrictions on freedom of speech, but this has gone too far. Wish I knew the answers on how to fix this, but that I’m afraid that will have to be left to the more intellegent and informed.

  224. Have any of you viewed some of Katie Wick’s blogs…. She’s a little nutty and speaks from a fanatic/hater platform. Go figure…I am sure it was no accident that she became a HLN guest juror.

    • Is she the blonde that they kept showing in the courtoom when Jean Casaras had to testify regarding the media circus outside the courtroom? If so, She wouldn’t stop rolling her eyes and making faces.

  225. The Hughes knew he was jealous.

    And isn’t it obvious by the phone sex tape that he is? Travis can see whoever he wants, but the moment Jodi goes out on a date he is vengeful. Even his colleagues no longer have a soul. The hypocrisy of it all is repulsive.

    • The Hughes knew A LOT!Yet,they chose to keep their mouth shut!Given how religious they claim they are,I’ll be so happy to see them rotting in Hell where they belong!

      • LDS/Mormon’s have a different out look on HELL. Several levels for different sins or people it seems to me? this is one though……..
        These are they who are liars, and sorcerers, and adulterers, and whoremongers, and whosoever loves and makes a lie. . .These are they who are cast down to hell and suffer the wrath of Almighty God, until the fullness of times, when Christ shall have subdued all enemies under his feet, and shall have perfected his work; (D&C 76:103, 106)

        Now if they do the Blood Atonement before death EAR TO EAR etc. then they do go on to heaven.

        Hence why I do believe the actual stabbing an slashes have some meaning an may have been done by another? just my opinion since Jodi is not sure what happened after the gun shot I just have that in the back of my head.

        • I’m not religious either.That’s why I referred to a punishment they supposedly believe in-hope they have a good time there!! lol!!

    • They KNEW he was bad for Jodi, yet the two of them lied on national television trying to put Jodi in the worst possible light.

      These people LOVED Jodi, yet they threw her under the bus in order to save face.

    • he was in court today with the family holding there hand saying she did it but if they know he did it

  226. Remember when Nancy accused and hounded that innocent man in the Elizabeth Smart case who died in jail of a brain hemorrhage before the real perpetrators were found? He had a rock solid alibi but she blabbed to everyone about his guilt. Did she ever apologize or express any remorse…hell to the naw! She is a truly evil and wouldn’t know the truth if it bit her in ass. Someday karma will pay her a visit or at least I hope it will. ALV and JA have more compassion and humanity in their little fingers than NG has in her whole freakin body.

      • I apologize in advance I should have found a little better website about ricci, LOLOLOL.

    • I had forgotten about that deal yes I agree she is a horrid horrid woman an when does she actually admit she was wrong I have never heard that or read that. How EVIL is that ? it is all for the sake of ratings an numbers for her an HLN JOKE NEWS it makes me sick. I actually feel badly that she has little children. Poor little things I can see a new Mommie Dearest in about 15 years coming out.

  228. A message from TA to JA. Please don’t force me to tell you how sexy you are. Please don’t let me ask you to come on vacations with me and have phone sex with me whenever I want. Most important of all please don’t dress up like a french maid when you come to clean my house and submit to anal sex every time I need to have it just because I want you to.

    • Yep. According to somebody else on this board who must have wandered onto the wrong website, a person can be a stalker and the victim not only doesn’t know it, but all of the victim’s welcoming behavior towards the person doesn’t mean the other person isn’t a stalker to them. Only b.s. statements to friends made in jest and statements designed to try and encourage girlfriends from not meeting each other by slandering ex-girlfriends as crazy or stalkers are evidence of stalking.

      In other words, you can have sex with your stalker, write tons of emails and text messages with your stalker, take expensive trips all over the United States with your stalker, and employ your stalker to clean your house. After all, if your lying Mormon friends or PPL colleagues peddle hearsay about somebody being a stalker on the basis of lies by a “victim” who doesn’t want to be exposed as a cheat and liar, it must be true.

      • Exactly tonysam! The stalking lies worked well for him. They were an explanation for why there were so many women at his house all the time. And his friends and roommates bought it. Poor Travis the virgin, all these stalkers coming to his house at night. LOL

  229. “There may be times when we are powerless to prevent injustice, but there must never be a time when we fail to protest.”
    Elie Wiesel

  230. shawn alexander on HLN friend of travis said that jodi talked to him crying and wanting to know about what happed to travis but she enitally said she talked to zac’s girlfriend and wanted zac and girlfriend told her he was not there so now we have someone else at the travis on the 6-9-2008 given their openion of jodi on HLN yet no mention of this guy he did say the cops did not want him to answer his phone he also mentioned his wife name jodi and how travis talked to him about if they got married they would both have wifes named jodi so she did not lie about travis wanting to marry her at one point in time he did… It was the bad mouth hughes that pussed the relationship in a different direction.

    • I swore off HLN totally yesterday. There is no reason to allow such negativity into your life as what they spew 24/7. I don’t understand how they can do that and if it is for the money they are pond scum. Well, they are anyway. I couldn’t go home and talk to my kids after doing what NG, JVM AND VP do. I would feel dirty and filthy.

      • Nancy, I can’t stand those three either. NG’s eyes–OMG / JVM’s voice–UGH / VP–makes me want to puke. Sadly they are doing it for the money. That’s a fact.

  232. I also came across an interview that NG did with Elizabeth Smart in 2006 showing what an absolutely hideous person she is. The brave girl came on only to promote the passage of a bill then nasty Nancy starts asking her personal questions in that sickening fake soothing drawl of a voice about the abduction even splashing photos of EM in a burka in the background!! She was promptly told in a classy way to STFU by Elizabeth. Here is the link http://youtu.be/5x8ARIxg51I I think someday Jodi will be in a position to make Nancy choke on her own crow!!

  233. I missed most of the afternoon sesh, how did it go? My granddaughter came over and we baked strawberry buttermilk muffins.
    I’m gonna go catch up now.

  235. So just got back to the computator. Thought I’d address certain things from up the chain, in no particular order.

    Cindy, I’m Back.

    Gun shot in closet. If we can get this to the defense, this is really great. Just a few possibilities:

    1. ALV forgot where Jodi said the shot actually occurred. Big whup.
    2. Prosecution, you want gun shot in closet. Cool we’ll give it to you. If that did in fact happen, no way could it have followed the knife stuff. With all that bleeding, where’s the blood in the closet? So if the gunshot happened in the closet it would have to be the first thing.
    3. Jodi lied to ALV about where gunshot happened. Firstly, why? Secondly why change her story. The gunshot in the closet actually fits the self defense story better. Gun was there, TA was there, etc. Also makes it absolutely certain that shot happened first (see 2 above). Lastly, if this is true, before Jodi ever gave a formal statement about the gunshot (which was in court) she would already know that she had told ALV it was in the closet. So changing her story to make it happen in the bedroom buys her nothing, in fact hurts her case.

    Knife in bedroom? So here are my comments.

    1. Same as point 1 above. ALV misspoke. Big whup.
    2. So are we to believe that while Travis was in the shower, Jodi went into the bedroom, got the knife (as opposed to the gun she allegedly had there as well), and then stabbed Travis? Why not get the gun and shoot him? Oh probably for the same reasons for which she didn’t shoot him at night or during the rest of the day. It doesn’t make sense.

    3. All right let’s give you the knife in the bedroom. so she goes and get’s the knife, stabs him and then what? Prosecutor claims that she shot him in the closet, so how did he get there without any blood.

    So is this another reason why Flores changed his story. Because the only way to prove that ALV/Jodi lied about this would be to show that she got the knife from the bedroom and stabbed him, then did all the other damage, then dragged him into the bathroom and then cleaned herself off so as to not leave any footprints beyond the doorway, then went and got the gun and shot him.

    These scenarios are just ridiculous.

    Crime Scene reconstruction.

    Under normal circumstances the prosecution makes some effort to get some kind of theory of what happened into court. Whether its through Crime Scene Investigators, ME’s or whatever. The defense objects like crazy because its all speculation, the prosecution gets it in via Expert Opinion type testimony. Also folks who had mentioned it above are right. More and more, juries want some such evidence since the advent of all these TV shows. So why has the prosecutor in this case shied away from a full blown explanation? Because the actual crime scene doesn’t fit his story. This became more and more apparent to me as I went back and re-watched the forensic evidence that did get in and the testimony some of the techs gave. For instance

    1. The aspirated blood spatter on the vanity. That could only come from the gunshot wound.

    2. The evidence of impact blood spatter from a blood source about a foot off the ground shows that at some stage TA was on the floor, in the area between the vanity and the toilet and bathtub. How did he get there and which wounds caused the blood spatter. Couldn’t be the throat wound, because according to the prosecution that happened in the bedroom doorway. Can’t be the gun shot because the spatter is on two opposing walls and we have only one gun shot and no exit wound. Can’t be the stab wound to the chest, because that has an upward thrust (ME’s testimony) . Must be the back or head wounds. But then these would have had to have occurred prior to the throa wound, else she would have to drag him past the shower, stab him and then drag him back into the shower, which doesn’t make sense either.

    3. The back wounds are definitely troublesome for the prosecution because of the way they are oriented and their size and shape. They are better explained by TA knocking Jodi down and then her slashing away at his back while she was pinned down.

    So you can see why there is very little evidence being presented for the crime scene itself.

    If it was up to me I would bring in a couple of experts and use this sort of stuff to further destroy the State’s case, but it isn’t up to me.

    And folks, once again, don’t go watch HLN.

    • I am reminded of sirlips advice, which ALV couldn’t very well do on the stand…BUT ALV’s focus was DV, NOT the story of where things happened during jodi’s self defense.

      Could she have just said she didn’t remember instead of saying that, did ALV say anything about the sequence not being a big focus for her?

    • Hold up Al,

      My mind is a very different places tonight, but upon reading your post, if Jodi shot him in the head in the shower after slitting his throat that doesn’t make sense… Way to much blood in the bedroom.

      Secondly if I recall correctly, going to check after I post this, wasnting TA shoot on the right side/ forehead and the photo of him in the shower shows the left side?

      The aspirated blood spatter on the vanity. That could only come from the gunshot wound.
      I agree with….

        • Nope, Internal bleeder. Also no evidence in the autopsy report of punctured lung or windpipe.

          • I haven’t studied the autopsy report as you have. That’s interesting, Al. So, really then, the ONLY wound that could have resulted in the blood on the vanity IS the gunshot wound?

    • Al
      Great explanations. I am so hopeful that the defense will put on experts to make it clear to the jury that the State’s forensic explanation is crap and testify that the scene is not at all indicative of a premeditated murder.

    • Al,

      I agree that Alyce L. saying that the gunshot was in the closet is no big whoop. But of course Martinez is going to go ballistic. The thing the defense will have to address is why there’s an inconsistency between what Jodi said in court and what Jodi might have told Alyce. Here’s what I think happened. I think Jodi told Alyce what happened, and she said she grabbed the gun, backed into the bathroom with Travis chasing her. She turned, pointed the gun at him, he stood like a linebacker and lunged at her. The gun went off. The thing is, on the stand, Jodi said that both of them were in the bathroom. And remember the endless questions Martinez had about where she was, where he was, show us on the diagram, get up and show us how he lunged, etc. But I think the inconsistency between it taking place in the bathroom vs. the closet is simply that Alyce didn’t know where exactly Travis was standing when he began to lunge. That detail wouldn’t matter to her, so in her mind she pictured Travis lunging through the doorway from the closet. She knew Travis chased her through the closet. Whether he stood in his linebacker stance in the closet, on the threshold of the bathroom, or in the bathroom was probably never a question to her. And it wouldn’t be. That would be a concern of a police detective, not a psychologist. She was getting the gist of what happened that day and was focused on whether it was domestic abuse or not, she wasn’t focused on blood spatter and whatnot. No big whoop. But the defense is definitely going to have to explain the discrepancy.

      About the knife, there is no conflict in testimony because Jodi can’t remember whether it was left in the bedroom or the bathroom, even though Martinez asked her 400,000 times. She simply can’t remember. I’m sure Jodi told Alyce during her interviews that there were gaps in her memory from that day. Maybe she said the knife was in the bedroom or the bathroom, she’s not sure, but she thinks the bedroom, and Alyce wrote down bedroom. Again, Alyce L. isn’t a detective. She’s a psychologist and has different concerns. And who knows if it was moved from the bedroom to the bathroom after the sex, before the shower? There was about 4 hours in between the sex and the shower. And who knows, if it WAS in the bedroom, who knows which one of them retrieved it from the bedroom? So I agree these things are no big whoop, but the defense WILL have to explain it because Juan M. is going to make it look like something really bad.

    • I’ve watched the M.E. testimony over and over again and other testimony. I do know the picture planted in my brain is Jodi version. I think the shot was first. You need write a book, your wife would have an excuse for your OCD.

    • Al,

      About this part:

      “So why has the prosecutor in this case shied away from a full blown explanation? Because the actual crime scene doesn’t fit his story.”

      I agree 100%!!!

    • Al…sorry I was sleeping when you wrote this…..I’m happy that you did. There are so many holes in this story that they are trying to sell this jury. I have said all along that the knive had to be in the bathroom. The back wounds were from TA being on top of Jodi. I find it remarkeable that Jodi didn’t have any wounds……hummm why is that? The did a crap job investagating this crime…or did they? I wish I could recall if I read or heard that they said at first that this wasn’t done by one person.

      Think about the struggle that went on…..TA’s hands and feet had wounds on them why did Jodi have only a few cuts on her hand…He could have over powered her even with the gun shot to the head……

      I will say it till the day I die…..there is a coverup here…..

    • I agree with everything you said Al. I also think that AL saying the gun shot was in the closet is no big deal. I’m sure she was getting so much information at one time and I’m sure Jodi told her the gun was in the closet and that’s what she wrote down. Again… as someone else said.. she is not a crime investigator. Those kinds of details don’t matter to her in her evaluation of domestic violence.

      Also, everything points to the gunshot coming first.

      Another reason I don’t think JA did this alone is I can’t believe he was not able to over power her and get the knife.

      As a lot of people have commented… why didn’t she just shoot him in his sleep? It’s because she didn’t think the gun was loaded!!!!

  237. I was trying to find trial footage from re-cross on you tube, and so far I could only find day 44 part 3, the start of JW re-cross..so hoping that part 4 w/b up soon, or tomorrow am..also there is someone on there who is trying to start a petition to ban ALV from any future speaking engagements…ALV is a professional and has been doing DV work for years and has a Masters etc…this is so sad, and I hope that ALV ends up selling lots of books, and many more speaking engagements so she can help and work w/perps and victims of DV..Rock on ALV!!!

    • Yes that petition was started on the weekend when all the minions were scurrying around spreading their hate. It’s pathetic that people could be so hateful to someone who was hired to give an expert opinion.

      It makes me sad for ALV. 🙁

      • It makes me very sad too. I swear, these people think they’re at war. They have no respect at all for the judicial system.

  238. on Nancy she says jodi told her she gunned down travis in the closet and the shell was in the bathroom now if you use the intruder stuff that CSH was in the closet guned him down and planted the shell casing in the blood some one was in touch with jodi she says dan hall called a lot so did he find out from jodi 2 weeks before that her parents house was broke into and a gun was stolen I think jodi is remembering things in bits and pices about that night two people in the closet and then the camera turns to chris hughes he has a frown on his face and then closes his eyes when he opens them his eyes glance toward the brother then back to the mad look on his face

    • I can’t stand to watch Nasty Nancy she’s too twisted I would like to hear her say if after all the evidence she’s heard would she date TA or fix him up with one of her friends or even better let him babysit her kids=)

    • I agree with you. I have always thought the intruder story was the true story but JA and her family had been threatened (as I believe many other people were too) so she changed her story. I believe the M*rmo*s know who did it and their secrets are protecting whoever did it.

      Another theory is that maybe TA and CH/SH had it out over business deals with PPL. Maybe TA was starting to be more succesful than CH or took a client of CH’s and didn’t like that. Maybe he thought that if TA wasn’t around anymore he would get all of TA’s clients to himself.

      I have a million theories to this case. None of which are being told in this trial.

      I do think that ALL evidence including tapes, letters, emails, text messages, IM messages, phone conversations, phone records, bank statements should be allowed in to evidence in it’s entirety. It frustrates me that certain things are not allowed. WHY???

      I also wonder why more details are not centered around the murder (i.e. forensics, the medical examiner, crime scene investigators, the roommates, etc. Instead JM spends his time bullying the witnesses over their credentials, whether they used a pencil or a pen, the title of their speech, giving a book to JA. Did you noticed he didn’t make a big deal about AL giving books to JA like he did Dr. Samuelson?

      This whole case is a mockery. The accusations could be easily backed up (the return of the gas can, the ammunition in the grandparents home compared to the ammunition used to kill TA, etc. I know the defense doesn’t have to do this but you would think those things are the most important to knock out the charge of pre-meditation. There is no evidence so far that indicates pre-meditated murder. There is evidence that she could have had to protected herself in a self defense situation due to TA’s pattern of behavior.

      • Ok.. one more theory.. I just can’t resist.. What if Jodi DID go to the Bishop with the information she had about Travis and what if the Bishop or another Officer of the church was ordered to “take care of it”. What if they told Jodi that if she helped them they wouldn’t hurt her. Maybe that’s why Jodi went there to “set the stage” for someone else to do this and then she became the fall guy and was threatened to keep her mouth shut.

    • YA..for me it was..lol Had to take my 81year old mother to the store…3 in fact…She had a stoke a few years back… she can drive that little cart really fast..lol and can run into things…lol Then I just want not to see that little ass butt when I came back…..but nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ….he had his f face right there.. Now how did I do playing the “victum” …..I learned it from Jodi…lol

  240. I have a question for our legal brains. What would be the better for Jodi (Other than an acquittal, of course), for there to be a mistrial or a hung jury?

    • My understanding is that in the event there is a hung jury, the Judge can still require that the jurors continue deliberations further, and the lenth of time that they do so is in the Judge’s discretion. After a period of time has occurred, and if the jurors are still hung, the Judge can then declare a mistrial. I don’t want a mistrial in Jodi’s case because I believe the evidence is on her side and I’m hoping for a full acquittal.

      • I agree we don’t want a mistrial. Acquital, is the best for Jodi. Don’t know that she would ever be able to get a fair trial with this trial have gone viral nationally.

        I thought I read that the judge could ask for one of the alternatives to take the place of the other person that is having trouble agreeing with the rest of the jury? This could be done three times?

        Is this correct?

        • FUJuan, I think that’s a jurisdictional question and I’m not sure about Arizona law when it comes to that question.

        • FUJuan,

          I’m pretty sure what I read is that the judge can choose alternates to come in so that they have a full 12 in agreement in the penalty phase only. I’m pretty sure that doesn’t apply to the guilty/not guilty verdict, but I’m not certain.

    • Hung jury would help indicate that there are people who believe her.

      Mistrial would be due to prosecutor misconduct. Now while people really dislike Martinez, if there was a mistrial because of him, then they may get another prosecutor to try the case the 2nd time around.

      At least if there was a hung jury and a new trial, the defense would be prepared for Martinez and his antics.

      Either way, a new trial could go either way because there is no guarantee certain pieces of evidence that were allowed in this trial and were beneficial to the defense will be allowed in the new trial. Additionally, the prosecution will know the defense strategy.

      However, it could go another way, where all the evidence Martinez wanted to keep out gets let in, thus helping the defense. And like I said, if Martinez is the prosecutor for the new trial, even though he’d know the defense strategy, the defense would know his.

      • NK,

        That really doesn’t seem fair if he would be allowed to be the prosecutor again. Just my opinon.

        Also, if it were to be another trial, how in the heck are you going to find jurors that doesnt know anything about this case? Might have to go to Alaska…

        • I agree. But if there is no ruling against his misconduct, his office will think he was effective enough to at least get a hung jury. Plus, he’d know this case inside and out, which saves some new prosecutor from having to get fully caught up on all these facts.

          Also, I think a mistrial as a result of a hung jury or misconduct is not good for Jodi only because the media has spewed venom, so yes, finding unbiased people would be hard in AZ (maybe if they moved it to a different county, or brought in jurors from other states… but this trial has national and international attention, so I don’t think she’d get a fair trial second time around). Heck, I don’t even think she is getting a fair trial now.

          • The trial HAS to be held in AZ. Another state can’t try a case for the state of AZ.

      • “Hung jury would help indicate that there are people who believe her.”

        NK, it only takes one to hang a jury and that *might* indicate that only one person believes her or only one person disbelieves her.

        “Mistrial would be due to prosecutor misconduct.”

        Judges can also declare mistrials when a jury is hung, not just for prosecutorial misconduct.

        • Still, even if it is one person who believes her, that is a good thing. The media won’t know how many people voted not guilty (unless the jury gets polled, but I’d imagine those results should not be allowed to be revealed to the public).

          Mistrial as a result of hung jury is basically the same thing as a hung jury IMO (which is sort of what I was going off of. If there is a mistrial due to any reason other than a mistrial, it will be most likely due to prosecutor misconduct).

          • I believe a poll is allowed to be publicized. In the first Phil Spector trial it was a hung jury by one hold out. I believe the juror even went on Nancy Grace to defend his position. FYI. 😉

    • I hate to voice this out loud, but I know we’ve all thought about this at least once. I am almost certain that the jury is aware how their decision will affect AZ, the mormon community, and everyone involved. I don’t believe for an instant that they have not been exposed to the media coverage.

    • Neither. A hung jury is considered a mistrial. So, either way, the state gets to retry this case.

  241. now they are saying on HLN the defence is calling some one to the stand about 7 more tapes to come forward need to go back see if i here something else

    • sounds to me Tonya like the State might not think that they have a slam dunk!!!! 😉 Grasping at straws!!

    • Toyna,

      Don’t believe everything you hear on HLN….. They are graping at straws. They know they spun this case way out of line to the public and now they are trying to back pedal.

    • The defense does have one more witness. I am not sure who it is, but I have heard that it is a phone expert, apparently the one the defense used to verify the phone sex tape. I have no idea why they are recalling him, or what new info they want to get.

        • My mom and my brother both told me, mom from news, (channel, no clue) brother from internet. Has anyone else heard anything like that?

          • Is this the guy who was testifying and they took him off the stand rather abruptly IMO and put Jodi on?

            • Im not sure…I can’t remember that testimony…it seems like an odd witness to add at the last minute though. If it’s true, he must have something important to add to the case I would assume.

              • I think it is that guy!! I was so shocked to see Jodi on the stand so soon in their case I forgot about him. It seemed unfinished.

  242. https://www.facebook.com/tanisha.sorenson/posts/479297458778106

    I don’t know if I can post this but I am going too?? a long long letter
    about Travis from Hughes for all the Travis Supporters. Just take
    it down if I am not suppose too. It is not a private page though.

    Something strikes me wrong about the death part. Saying everyone knows
    Travis is in heaven.??

    As in that faith when sinning like they were you would not be in heaven?
    Unless you believed in the Ear to Ear neck slash thing ? just makes me wonder.

    • Great grammar…. ” As in the faith wehn sinning like they were you would not be in heaven?” WTF….

      I really dont think she should of posted this on a social media site…. You notice it is always Tanisha posting this crap. The Hughes are trouble makers…….

      • They turned out to be truly bad eggs…It seems like they were even bigger users than Travis…They lied to the national media and Chris tried to lie in court.

      • If there is anybody who is worse than Travis in this story, it is Chris Hughes. That post he wrote is full of lies. HE is the one who peddled the lie that she was a stalker, a jilted girlfriend to the media, to EF, and to JM.

        Here he and Sky were so good to Jodi and loved her. They were worried about her because of Travis’s history with women. It’s all in the emails. But in that letter on FB, you’d have thought she was evil incarnate.

        May he rot in hell.

        • tonysam, isn’t that a little harsh? “May he rot in hell” ? I mean, I know he wasn’t the best person, but hell is not a place I’d wish on anyone.

          • You do know that is a figure of speech, right?

            He is a bad person, period. He never had to lie about this case, ever. He never had to create a narrative that’s been repeated, ad nauseum, by the media for almost five years.

        • Shaun was on NG again tonight spewing his crap…talking something about how Jodi was in the Church and came up to Travis and licked him on the ear…and NG said licked him on the ear in the Church…then Shaun laughed a little and said something about not blowing it out of proportion that well our Mormon Church is not like your Church…he laughed again…

          So what really goes on in their Mormon Church that is not like our Church?

          • Sky talked about that nonsense on “48 Hours” in one of their Jodi-trashing segments.

          • Then why bring it up? It was done to put Jodi in a bad light. These people are pond scum!

          • That is crazy. What kind of comment is that about our church is not
            like your church?

        • I agree they turned just like a rattle snake an bit. An these are Godly people I guess that
          is what bothers me most about the whole thing going on.

          I understand people are hurting an all that but Christians which they claim
          they are. Do not carry on this way.

        • Tonysam,
          Where are the emails from the Hughes, or Chris Hughes saying what a great girl is. Or the ones where they warn Jodi or tell TA, he is wrong about the age. etc. I cant find any emails, or text other than the ones in court. were those in court and I missed them? Thanks in advance! Help
          Patty

      • Oh I was just bored an went on a FB trip down scrolling lane was just bothering me
        I guess I get tired of reading though but they aren’t shy about posting but you have
        to dig an dig.

        They are so hard up they are renting a vacation condo for the duration of the
        trial somewhere in Phoenix.

        an this was interesting for such poor poor people good grief !
        Tanxxisha Soxrexnsxon
        Awe my sweet little Missionary Husband, left 4 Books of Mormon in Spanish for our 4 cleaning ladies today, hes always trying to be a missionary, now I better get out of my house and go to the gym before before my cleaning ladies clean me up;-)

        • Well of course they are living in the lap of luxury. The fans on the state vs jodi page are sending money. The admin of that page asked everyone to donate 20.00 to the family…there are over 33,000 fans. I smell a scam as sure as I am sitting here.

          • SCAM is an understatement. The admin isn’t even from the U.S., if I recall the admin is a she from AUS….. Please send your cheques…. WTH … In the U.S, it’s CHECKS….. I could rambled on about this but it’s the people on the other side that have to live with their guilt and being scammed.

            It just plain sickness me that people want to get rich off of a death member. Maybe they should of paid their brothers mortage and not let it be forcloused on and then put it up for sale. Great family.

          • Gail, check down thread – theres a link to a FB page selling necklace’s for the family and another with news article and short video about someone else getting donations.

    • Is Chris Hughes serious???

      So now Jodi did not kill Travis over the Cancun trip, but she decided to have sex with him and kill him before he could repent, that way Travis would go to hell, and she and Travis could spend eternity in hell together????

      That is utter rubbish! And that makes me think that there was a blood atonement thing involved, and maybe Jodi did not do this at all.

      • He is such a filthy liar, two-faced to boot. He should have kept his mouth shut from the time this tragedy happened.

        The more he talks, the more he sounds like somebody who is out to preserve his business interests and couldn’t care less about TA, JA, or anybody else unless it threatens his bottom line.

        • Honestly, spreading a crazy theory about jealousy, as ridiculous as it is, is one thing.

          Anyone who can speculate that the reason why a person murdered another person was so that both of them could end up in hell together for eternity creeps me out! If a person thinks like that, with absolutely no proof of this coming from Jodi’s own mouth, it indicates to me that this person has hints of evil about them.

          You don’t come up with a shocking theory like that if your mind is “innocent”

          • If you saw the original “48 Hours” telecast in 2009, Chris was the one who claimed Jodi had “evil eyes” that shook him to “his core” when he and Sky supposedly took Travis aside and talked to him about Jodi. Then the report shows the familiar picture of Jodi with the light in her face with a seemingly blank expression on it, and it cuts away to Jodi’s eyes when she was interviewed in jail. We know now she was suffering from the effects of PTSD at the time she was interviewed and she simply wasn’t herself at all, plus she didn’t have an attorney to warn her away from doing media interviews.

            Of course he made the whole thing up. We know from the emails that he and Sky tried to warn JODI away from TRAVIS because of his history with women.

          • I know it honestly gives me the creeps the way he expresses himself I do not think it is honest for some reason. You know how you just have that gut feeling? I have it when the Hughes are up on the stand.

            • Neither one is being honest at all, and they’d rather make shit up rather than be truthful.

              The horrible thing about this is they helped create a toxic atmosphere surrounding this case which is based largely on lies and could wind up having Jodi on death row.

      • Amazing!! Funny how he is saying she didn’t kill him over the Cancun trip now, with PPLCancun coming to the stand in the rebuttal.

        I’m sorry, sleazy comes to mind when I think of that guy!

    • The Passing of Alexander the Great? A bit dramatic?

      That family needs help, and I truly believe they are behind some if not a lot of the hate being spewed against defense witnesses. I think they are trouble. That’s just MHO

      • Yep. They are largely responsible for the false media narrative and the completely unhinged behavior of far too many people over this case.

        • I agree tonysam,

          People are being attacked and threatened, Alyce has been attacked and threatened, her livelihood attacked. If they were decent people, they would ask these minions not to attack and threaten people.

          Please don’t think i am being harsh or mean, I don’t want you to go JM on me. I know they lost their brother, but they were estranged, they weren’t the Waltons. I am sure they are riddled with guilt that they weren’t closer to each other, but there comes a time when you have to build a bridge and get over it.

          They are angry, I get that, my Gran used to tell me, “you have a right to be angry, but you don’t have a right to be cruel.”

          • I was referring to the Hugheses, NOT Travis’s family here.

            Travis’s family was used as much as anybody else.

            • I was referring to the body of the post rather than Tanesha’s take on it. Most of the post was written by the despicable Chris Hughes.

              Just to clarify matters.

  243. Under Arizona law, all 12 jurors must agree on the death penalty. If they can’t, prosecutors can empanel a second jury, or even a third, for a do-over of the penalty phase. If the third jury is hung, the judge will decide between 25 years to life or life with no possibility of parole.

    Before the sentencing, the defense usually tries to show there are enough mitigating factors that Arias’ life should be spared, and puts on witnesses to back up those claims.

      • How can your puppy’s sweet face get any cuter??!! Adorable! I love the pics of all the pets.

    • Also, during the penalty phase/sentencing in a DP case,there is a “aggravating factor” phase, in which the pros. presents evidence relating to aggravating circumstances, as well as victim impact evidence. If the jury does not find at least 1 aggravating factor, the jury is dismissed and the trial judge imposes the sentence. Examples of aggravating factors are cruel, depraved, heinous and others.

      • When you put it that way, it could take at least until May to finish up, provided she is convicted of murder one.

      • Only “cruel” as an aggravating factor has been allowed in this case, Anna. The rest were tossed earlier on.

    • Yes, but 12 jurors have to find her guilty first. Interestingly enough, 5 could find her guilty of murder in the first, and 7 could find her guilty of felony murder, and that would be considered unanimous.

      The state has NOT proven murder in the first, and the felony murder charge is so ridiculous, it stinks. I honestly do NOT believe she will be convicted of either of the above.

      Now, lesser included offenses … that is where I think the jury will go, if they’re not hung.

      • I agree with you….I have never thought Jodi would walk…..nor does her defences team. The wouldn’t have put the 2nd. pledeal out there if they did….just saying…

  244. HLN news media… they just don’t care about the lives they destroy with their twisted spins of the truth…

    It seems to give them great pleasure as we see with the evidence of their smiles and giggles as they spew their vicious twisted lies about other humans to the American television audience…

    And at the end of this trial the same will happen as it did at the end of the Casey Anthony’s trial…the news media will move on to their next target…another unsuspected innocent person whom they will viciously destroy the very meaning of their existence on this earth…

    And then the others who were looking to make a lot of money after the trial…like the prosecutor from the Casey Anthony trial…when you see him he just smiles and gloats with his million $$$ royalties from his book and the Casey Anthony movie…

    (and he was the one who complained during her trial that people were making money off this case…to get more sympathy from his fan followers…his fans helped him make millions…when in fact he was the one secretly writing the book during the trial and retired the day after trial as a prosecutor and then released his book…then months later signed on to make the LMN movie after the trial)

    And when someone ask him where is Casey Anthony…He says his standard response is, “I don’t know and I don’t care.”

    http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2013/01/casey-anthony-jeff-ashton-is-ready-to-move-on.html

    That’s how it is with all of them…when the different trials are done, said, and over with…they just don’t care anymore about the person’s life that they ruined…

  245. aurbry hiatt is on nancy now tell how she slashed his tires every week and if you find me dead you know jodi did it

    • I saw her on, I had it muted so i didn’t have to listen to the lies. Amazing how people can go on there and just lie through their teeth.

      • It’s their 15 minutes of fame…

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/15_minutes_of_fame

        The phenomenon of those individuals who are looking to make asses of themselves on television…and have you noticed how those people all seem to smile and giggle as they spew their twisted story of the truth..they look like little carbon copies of the smiling and giggling news media folks…

        • Yes I do an I am not kidding it gives me the creeps like they are truly devilish
          an want to see someone actually die for defending herself. An really are not
          sure about the whole scene so they add stuff to it that makes no sense. The
          out right lies are just that. They do not even try to investigate to be certain
          before pointing the fingers an getting the rope out. Just like the old days
          where people would crowd to watch a lynching an bring the kids too. How
          disgusting was that. An then I guess they had a big picnic.

    • I still think if any tires were slashed Travis did it himself to scare the
      crap out of Lisa the “VIRGIN” an the email she received also. The
      reason I think that is because she was so scared she had Mr. Travis
      spend the night with her. Imagine that. If it was a ploy it worked
      at least to get her to hold him tight for the night a few times.

      These naive young girls need to watch some ID channel crime shows or scary
      movies they would not be so trusting an believe every word some
      sly cat whispers in their ear.

      • Rhonda I never thought about it that way but yah, what a way to get into her bed. I would not put that past him at all. He was a scuzzy guy

  246. This is the part from Hughes that bothers me……..(AN ANYONE WHO KNOWS MORMON THEOLOGY KNOWS T’S ALL GOOD)…………………..meaning to me…………….the ear to ear cut throat that
    Jodi does not remember??

    If your a sinner an spill your blood for the Lord you can go to Heaven still this is what I read
    in the LDS Doctrine. I know they can’t do anything now about it but that guy an some of the
    others are plain creepy to me an Lying for the Lord as they say.

    This is from Hughes letter………………>>
    Knowing his spiritual beliefs about the afterlife, or at least assuming she knew his beliefs about the after life, and her imagined result of him engaging in unrepentant premarital sex, she thought if she could seduce him, then kill him before he could ask God for forgiveness, she could send him to hell and then they could be together forever…. in hell. And anyone who knows the Mormon theology knows T’s all good, and Jodi’s toast.

    Ok tell me again LDS that people do not believe in the old doctrine because I think they do! at least some do I know all may not but some do believe in that old doctrine of Joseph Smith an that B Young.

    • I don’t know about that, but Hughes is disgusting. Travis was screwing everything in sight long before he met Jodi. And after he met Jodi.

    • That is what shocked me. First of all, Jodi never admitted to that, Jodi said self defense. Which means, that is an assumption on Chris Hughes’s part. That is a radical assumption. Who thinks like that??!!!

      Plus, seriously? Only God can say who ends up in heaven and hell.

      • Make sure you read down several paragraphs and you will read this:

        [quote] These executions, carried out by a private police force known as the “High Police,” took various forms in keeping with the temple oaths. Slitting the throat is the one most commonly mentioned.[quote]

        • These people freak me out! I’m sorry, I don’t judge anyone for their religious beliefs, I take the “to each their own” stance when it comes to religion. But this is just wrong on so many levels.

      • I agree Truthseeker 🙂

        A lot of creepy stuff an no one can make me believe that
        some of the people in that church do not read an carry on
        old doctrines. In the Temple they still do the rituals by the
        hand actions of EAR TO EAR etc.

        Brigham Young brought the same assassination theology to Utah that Joseph Smith had refined in Illinois. John D. Lee relates:

        When the Danites – or Destroying Angels – were placed on a man’s track, that man died – certain, unless some providential act saved him. . . . And I say as a fact that there was no escape for anyone that the leaders of the Church in southern Utah selected as a victim.

        The words of John Hyde, Jr., a disillusioned Mormon of the 1850’s, are as true today as they were 125 years ago: “When the Mormons talk so much of death as a penalty, it is not the idle threat of imaginary killing, but the strong word of merciless men. They never threaten what they will not perform, and fear of risking the penalty withholds many from apostasy.” Mormonism (1857).

    • notice in the letter he writes he does not mention any thing bad about him and we know that not to be true with them giving testomany and thank god defence lawyer told him to write his cell phone down on paper why so they could check if he was where he said he was there is no mention of poor ashley death

    • Rhonda,

      I wrote this down while I was watching the mimi testimony. Here is the part that I think fits in with the topic. KN seems to be on to something in this regard. Perhaps, had JA not talked at all and offered info to the public, this very well could’ve been the route they could have gone on, esp. even when Flores’s initial reaction is that they had to have been more than one person involved here, and also, he said, he didn’t think she was capable of it after meeting her and talking to her. He sounded sincere there. Go back and listen carefully to how KN is carefully wording his questions re. mormon practices to mimi. Well here goes…
      ——
      The other thing that I noticed (not too happily) is that KN did not delve in to details about what she observed when she went in: what was each person who was present doing, their reactions, what did she observe when she peeked in ? etc Also, the smell, the laundry room, the dogs behavior. KN though if any of you noticed seemed to focus on the aspect of “PUNISHMENT”, what constitutes a “SIN”, who doles out or decides the punishment (which I found particularly interesting) – the Bishop, the level of responsibility of the “OTHER MORMONS” to report (if they knew, and we know that many would’ve or at least should’ve known the nature of TA/JA’s relationship) if they knew that another mormon was “sinning”.

      Here M. Hall said in the case of ABUSE then it would be proper to report and we know that many of the people around TA and JA emailed/wrote to TA to stop treating JA bad, and we also know that S*y H*ghes and spouse, found the two of them together in bed or something to that nature that clearly suggested a sexual involvement. This was evidence of SIN, so why did they not report it? KN was very careful in how he phrased the word “Punishment” and not another synonym such as Atonement for the absolution of sin.

      What if the bishop knew what was going on: that TA was the instigator and JA a victim of abuse (emotional, physical, mental, sexual and yes, even spiritual), and so set out his emissaries to do the ‘job’? The target was TA and never JA. And, so when the emissaries got there to accomplish their mission, they were surprised by JA’s presence – not expecting anyone other than TA to be there, her presence throws a monkey wrench in their plans. Also, they don’t have prior permission to do her in and so no atonement for her. But, JA grabs the gun and perhaps shoots at one of THEM first!! And then they grab the gun from her hands and use it on him or even make her do it. TA being hurt but not fatally, screams telling her to go to the neighbors for help. She is stopped by one of the persons there and made to watch what transpires later (the stabbings and throat slash), and told if she does not shut up about it she and/or her fly could be next. She could have also been made to clean up. Now her mind shuts down, and goes into survival mode – and whatever else happens after that is a blur – forever! Too horrific to remember, her psyche protects her by sinking the knowledge deep within the recesses of her unconscious mind.
      ————–

      Well, what do you think?

      This could explain the deathly silence from everyone – from the roommates, to the ‘friends’ of TA for 5 full days!! Clean-Up time!!! Also, everyone seemed to be singularly focussed on JA, working off of what seems like a script with same words, descriptions, incidents, examples, etc etc. By JA opening her mouth, whether naively or to throw people off to protect her/fly, it forced the defense to go in the direction of self-def, rather than show up the cops on their shoddy work for not questioning any one else, the ins and outs of all the people who visited in those 5 days, neighbors, etc. Its just too convoluted for me.

      • Introspective 😉

        I know people think I am crazy but I actually believe what you have there pretty much.
        Since Jodi only remembers the gun shot.

        An you are so right I think KN thinks the same after listening to that again.
        Also right on they had to go this way as no one believed the other story of
        the intruders.

        I understand the public wants to harp on about Jodi lying but actually she was
        telling stories to not tarnish Travis or the church. I actually believe she was
        truly afraid of someone due to she bought a 9mm when she was still out.
        She says for a camping trip but I think because of the people she was
        scared of.

        The hand-print in the wall in blood could have been put there
        by whoever else was there by lifting her hand an putting it there. I
        think she was unconscious for a period of time. Why they never did
        brain scans to see if she had a concussion I will never know she
        had to hit her head at least 2 times hard on the tile. I do believe the
        rest was done by someone else though.

  249. My wife and I went in a few days before Travis and were eagerly awaiting his arrival. I found a great LDS Tour of Chichen Itza and Tulum, as well as an opportunity to swim with wale sharks. Travis was planning on doing all this with us, but wanting to be sure, I kept trying to reach him on his call phone. He never answered.
    read a comment here above somewhere went to read it . its a letter chris writes about travis before the trial he is saying he was no were to be found that him and his wife had go ahead he call dan hall to check on travis on the 9th it was an interesting read

  250. What kind of a nickname is “T-Dogg” for a pious mormon man? I’m not that hip on nicknames, but in some circles that nickname is usually given to “players” and ladies-men. I think TA thought of himself as some kind of Casanova. And in one of the pictures I’ve seen floating around, I saw one where he is wearing a pin stripe suit and the first thing I thought was…”Pimp!”.

    just rambling….

    • t-dogg how did he like sex with jodi they knew a lot about him sence 2001 and sky before that

      • yeah, I was reading through Tanisha’s FB page, but I really couldn’t finish it. It turns my stomach. :/

  251. On June 18, 2010, the State made an oral motion for
    disclosure of the original handwritten letters. Defense counsel
    indicated that Ms. Arias had received copies of the letters
    electronically from a third person. This court ordered
    additional briefing on that issue.

    this is info on the letters that travis wrote that were not let in found this under court doc.

    • so she is in jail and when arrested they give you a suit to where and nothing else so how does she get electronically from a third person to give to her lawyer now need to go back to chris testomany about the letter but im to tired its time for bed and i have a head ake see you tomorrow and jodi my hail mary will be said tonight for you

    • OMG, that’s tragic:

      “The friend said that the stress of the harassment had driven LaViolette to the emergency room last weekend for anxiety attacks and palpitation.”

      I didn’t realize ALV was 65 years old. Destroy her career? She’s an old aged pensioner, for crying out loud, but still working.

      This is truly disgusting that she has had to endure this. I am sickened beyond belief.

      “The court has the authority to take steps to protect that witness from threats and other misconduct.”

      But what is the court doing? Nothing. This is soooo sad.

      • PLEASE SJ, could we have a page where we post our support for ALV? I know she’s not online but maybe someone could tell here there are a whole group of people who have learned so much about DV from her testimony, and some of us feel like we have had free therapy sessions to boot. I want her to know that she is NOT hated by everyone.

        • I called her office today and planned to leave a message of encouragement as I couldn’t find an email for her. Her voice mail asked that one not leave a message and that she would be back in the office on Friday. I respected her request and didn’t leave a message but plan to send her a card in the mail to her office.

          I wonder if JA heard any of this and that’s why she appeared teary eye’d yesterday.

          This is so very sad and, again, a sad commentary on the world we live in. The more I see what ass’s humans are the more I love my animals.

          AA, do you know if all your research on baby psych ever got sent to Nurmi or Wilmott? I hope so.

          Today when JW asked Alyce how many pages her CV had I found it interesting as when JM was waving the one page around, yammering about the keynote speaker issue someone here commented she had many more pages that one.

        • YESSS!! PLEASE. I have been trying for days to find a place where I can publicly post encouragement for her. I feel so bad for what’s happening to her. I posted a thread on Amazon and I was pretty much thought of as a…I can’t forget what they called me, but they kept making references to a sock….lol..I didn’t know what that meant until a very intelligent person posted her opinion about the whole fiasco. One of the people bickering with me on Amazon, posted…This person posts on jodiariasisinnoncent under the name of Sil.

          At first I was afraid they would flood overhere with nasty comments and I contemplated changing my user name, but then I said fuck it…I’m not going to be bullied.

      • Oh that just made me sad to read that. It is reallly sick what these haters are doing. I cannot believe they give high fives to each other for harassing her. What is wrong with these sick sick people. They all need to seek treatment for some unresolved issues. Kids are dying daily because of bullying and yet the media just encourages this lynch mob of hate.

        • These people are plain evil, but they hide under the anonymity of the internet, feeling free to voice their hatred and vile under the guise that they want justice for Travis.

          They’re cowards and some day they’ll have to answer for their deeds. Just like all of those HLN hosts and their guests will.

          Karma is a bitch. I am not familiar with the laws of attraction, but I do believe you get back what you put out sevenfold.

    • I am sick reading this. Of course the haters are all laughing and saying they hope testifying was worth it to her! I have never seen such hate in my life. 🙁

  255. I honestly believe that AL was mistaken with regards to where Jodi said TA was shot. It is somewhat confusing that his particular closet has two doors. JM could “go with it”, but it doesn’t help the States case. There is NO blood in the closet, the shell casing was found in the bathroom, and JM has made a big deal of nothing being disturbed in the closet when Jodi stepped on a shelf to retrieve the gun. Another point…Is the prosecution now saying that TA may have given Jodi a pair of boys spider man underwear????? I thought they said she was lying about that too. Which is it?

    • Oh, and I’m thrilled that JW finally addressed the journals and pounded in the fact that TA’s specific horrible verbal abuse wasn’t in the journals either!!!! According to the State, if it’s not in the journal, then it didn’t happen!!! For the last few weeks I’ve been yelling back at the tv, ” If you think she premeditated this, then why isn’t that in the journal either???” Again, which is it?

      • excellent point diana. But, don’t yell at your TV. It might just yell back at you if it is a Juany (knock off of Sony)

      • JW was simply amazing today! She’s adorable and smart. I couldn’t bear to listen to one more second of the sound of JM’s sickening voice.

        When I saw JW on the screen in her classy pink jacket and cute black skirt it was a breath of fresh spring air. I felt I was transported into a fairy tale with blue birds singing and flowers blooming though I found it hard to relax. I kept worrying the evil troll was going to return at any moment and spoil the mood.

        Later, I almost tossed a plate at my tv screen when one of the stupid HLN talking pie holes used the word *charisma* to describe the monster.

        • Watch out for that Fairy Tale. JM may be hanging around to check on the balance of power in there.

  256. Just an interesting fact that popped up on the news media,It seems that it has been reported that Jodi is sending out tweets from her jail cell.Apparently she talks to a close friend almost every night on the phone and this person will tweet for Jodi,The jail authorities know about it and said they are not stopping it,I take that with a grain of salt,I am sure if this had any merrit they would have stopped her,but on the other hand,if this is true,better hope that Juan dont get wind of it,I am sure that those idiots at HLN would have spun this to the max,It could be very bad for her if she is sending messages out,I hope her defence team can talk some sense into her about this,This is something she can do once shes aquitted.Truth or non truth,it is a matter of time if this information about the tweets comes to light.Now we need to support Jodi and I urge everyone to write to HLN and go on their comment site and pose their own BOLD ACCUSATION ask them to air the clip about Juan and his trial in 2002,bet they wont do that,just send them the link http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/2002-08-29/news/justice-delayed/ and insist that they air this,they like to trash Jodi and dig up dirt on her,lets do her a favor and send another link about Juan not giving the defence her computor to check out,this article shadows what the other article said,go to http://wwwazcentral.com/arizonarepublic/local/articles/20121119photo-tiff-oostpones-trial-overkilling.html Wonder if JW and KN have seen these. Another place that should be flooded with these links demanding that they should be aired is FOX NEWS send them via email to foxnewstips@foxnews.com if enough pressure is put on them they might air them,If I were a betting man I would say that they probally wont air them,but who knows.God Bless Jodi,heres to your support,may you be aquitted and set free soon.

  257. What we need to understand is that JM is not trying to win the case, he is simply trying to preserve his reputation with the masses, with the help of HLN.

    He just needs to generate a few isolated snippets that can be taken out of context. But obviously that won’t have any effect on the jury.

    By the time Jodi is found innocent, the guilter mob will have moved on to something else. It’s all quite weird, and I hope there will never be another trial like it, but money talks.

    I will probably do an article on this at some point.

    I recommend “groundreport” if you would like to write about the case at some point.

      • You must be in my neck of the woods somewhere. Had the windows open, the fan on, etc.

        Then we had to turn the darned AC on. Just doesn’t seem to be right, to have to turn the air on in early April. But, its been over 90 the last two days, up here in Maryland.

        • Just wait for what is coming your way my friend….it’s ugly here in Mi. this morning. The wind alone would blow your car off the road. We still have the heat on….

        • I am in your neck of the woods, Al, if you’re close to DC. I wish wish wish I could turn on the AC! The building in which I rent has not turned it on yet and fans just aren’t cutting it, nor is getting up to take cold showers. It was bad on Tuesday night, but last night was the worst. I am so tired today.

    • Hi Gail – yes, it’s an interesting piece by Fox 10. Not too sure why they called it an “exclusive” though, as Jodi asked me to add a link to her Twitter account here in the site several weeks back. Excellent publicity nevertheless. I think Jodi gained 1,000+ new followers overnight.

      SJ
      Team Jodi

      • SJ, do her attorneys know about her twittering? Is is prudent?

        Just a little concerned.

        • Never mind. I just read the whole article and at the bottom it says that they are aware of it and are not happy about it.

          • Yes, I’m sure they’re aware of it and are monitoring it too. No probs.

            SJ
            Team Jodi

              • No, there are no cell phones in jail. Jodi relays the messages to her friend Donavan (as seen in the video), and she tweets the messages for Jodi.

                SJ
                Team Jodi

                • Thanks…I am so behind the times…lol I don’t know how to tweet….humm bad enough with the texting…

                  Why I have you here. I have been wondering about something I have noticed the past few weeks. KN seems to be distancing himself from Jodi. He used to sit next to her when JW was up….now he doesn’t pay any attention to her. I was thinking that perhaps he is such a big guy he just has more room on the end. Put I did read something negative about the fact that he has lost interest in the case..lol Ya right..

                • Yes, the only people rapidly losing interesting in this case are the haters *and* Martinez. Both are already resigned to the outcome.

                  SJ
                  Team Jodi

      • Do you think it’s wise that she does this, SJ? I know she must be frustrated beyond belief but I’m not sure it is a good thing publicity-wise.

  259. Eh, it may not be wise, but it’s hilarious. Her comments about Kermit are great!

    Those afflicted with Little Man’s Syndrome taint society’s perception of genuinely good men who happen to be vertically challenged.

    Hmm… Anger Management problems anyone?

    He who tries to establish his point by much yelling shows that his reasoning is weak.

  260. Drive On Jodie Defense Team, Drive On. Many minds are being changed about this matter everyday and this pattern will continue. Everyday Jodi’s case gets stronger.

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