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Jodi Arias Trial – Day 43 (afternoon session)

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As an experiment, I just put the phrase “Juan Martinez” into my online dictionary, and here are the adjectives it came up with…

Unusable, impractical, hopeless, of no use, unserviceable, inoperable, unworkable, inadequate, inept, hopeless, pathetic, incompetent, inefficient, ineffectual, ineffective, unsuccessful, ineffective, unavailing, futile, worthless, ineffectual.

Based on his performance to date, which words do you think best describe him from the above list? Please try and limit your choice to no more than 20 :mrgreen:

Leave your comments below on the afternoon session of day 43…

SJ
Team Jodi

PS. If you missed it – click here to read my post from earlier today regarding the latest Motion for Mistrial.

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  4. Favorite part of the day:

    JM: Ma’am do you blv Travis Alexander was a man?
    JM: YES or NO, was Travis Alexander a MAN?????

    ALV: (sais nothing for a minute) ( just smiles/big grin on her face) – then she answers the OBVIOUS! !!

  5. I hope everyone did a bit of yoga or meditation to prepare them for this afternoon. Ahhh I’m ready 🙂 Let’s stay optimistic.

    • LOL I thought that your gravatar was of Bewitched 🙂 now I see I was correct. Hope the nose wiggling works 🙂

      • He looks and sounds like he is going to explode any minute… he needs to take a pill. If he doesnt calm down and quit walking around like a caged animal hes gonna have a stroke.. Making me anxious just watching him… How AL is staying so calm is sooo beyond me.. I give her kudos.. She is probably used to men screaming at her at meetings etc… otherwise how can this poor woman sit there and take his battering her like that ? And its all… much to do about nothin… she said in so many words who cares who was responsible for recording the sex tape.. it doesnt matter who… Get off you hi horse JM

  7. I hate turning on HLN. Vinnq and his guest think JM Iis destroying here credibility. Man, are they watching what I am?

  8. And just because Alice used the word crime she must think it was a crime. What? So she said crime while in a CRIMINAL trial. So what? She misspoke and it is understandable.

  10. I just made a transcript of the last minute of AL’s direct testimony:

    JW: In everything, the text messages, everything that you have reviewed in this case, and from Mr Alexander’s own words, do you ever hear about any pattern where Jodi was being physically abusive or aggresive with Mr Alexander?
    AL: No, I did not.
    JW: Did you ever see patterns of verbal abuse from Jodi to Mr Alexander?
    AL: No, I did not.
    JW: Did you ever see patterns of psychological abuse or controlling behaviour by Jodi to Mr Alexander?
    AL: No, I did not.
    JW: And did you ever see any evidence at all of jealousy from Jodi to Mr Alexander?
    AL: No, I didn’t.
    JW: I have nothing further judge, thank you.

    There is much more to come I think from Alyce.

    • You forgot one question:
      JW: Do you believe, with your almost 35 years of experience in the field of domestic abuse, that Jodi was a victim of TA’s domestic abuse ?
      ALV: Yes, I do!

  11. So um impressions of the morning for those of us who have stupid jobs. Who won? Was ALV discredited/trashed at all? Were her opinions detracted from or belittled? Or did JM look like an ass as usual? Did he score any points?

        • Pretty much.If you take it that according to JM she based her evaluation on a lying,manipulative,flirtatious bitch naming Jodi…yeah you can say that her evaluation is as good as sh*t to him.
          (sarcasm of course I LOVE JODI)

        • Is JM impotent? Was this some sort of Freudian slip? Now, that would explain his anger and fascination with anal sex, wouldn’t it? Hahaha

    • JM looked like a disgusting ass. If there are jurors that are buying into JM’s antics, then JW has to rehabilitate LV.

      • How likely do you think it is that jurors are buying into his stuff? I didn’t hear much, but he seemed somewhat convincing on the manipulative part, although how long he spent on it drove me nuts.

        • Who knows what the jury is buying…most of JM’s questioning was his attempt to discredit the witness. IMO he has failed miserably. Back and forth, up and down in and out…failure.

        • The word manipulation probably didn’t sit well. At one point LV said flirty but then changed back to manipulative. I think JW will need to make sure the jury understands that LV’s notes were NOT JA’s words but taken while she was reading the 1000’s of documents and the data from things like Flores’ report, etc. I don’t think the jurors are morons and can see through most of this, but this is a highly charged case that can go South solely due to emotions (that is what JM is banking on). My other concern (and nothing against the people of AZ or potentially on here) is, the prosecutors “sentient” psychologist may carry more weight with the AZ jurors than in many jurisdictions. AZ has many people who are spiritual and into things like The Secret, Law of Attraction, Sedona’s spiritual retreats, etc., which could play into the “sentient”. IMO

          • This seems really weird to me – sentient psychologist working for a prosecutor? She is going to lose a lot of clients who are expecting a warm, understanding, & forgiving therapist. Doesn’t fit at all to me with her webpage. Like she is working in 2 opposite arenas.

        • I think I’ll never ry and speculate what the jurors might be thinking,I did that once(while Jodi was on the stand and got dissapointed).When LV finally gets to answer their questions I think we’ll have a good understanding of what goes on in their minds.

          • I know what you mean, but I think it’s a safe bet that the marked reduction in questions is owing to the absence of Juror 5. Plus my money is also on a higher level and more polite tone in them to come.

          • and for crying out loud.. who “didnt” lie when they were 14 yrs old… especially to their dad ?

            • He HAS to reach real far back, right Lezlie? : )
              Shows what real evidence they have.
              Flores lied when he told Jodi’s Mom there was a whole lot of evidence against her.
              That was total horseshit.
              I would have just told him that I didn’t believe a word he said,
              same with the Dad.

    • Scored zilch. His point of Jodi being ‘manipulative’ because of flirting and gas cans/hand cuts etc will be further zilched by recross in just reminding the jury of what ALV testimony consisted of and evidence of.

  12. Disgusting,Vile,disgraceful,manipulative,fork tongue,distracting,redundant,aggressor,tyrant,brow beater,domineering person===========a lawyer whose job is to prove in court that someone accused of a crime is guilty even if they ARE INNOCENT of MURDER for they Simply Defended Their self. Overcharged in this case to uplift his career is so evident.

      • Yes I do actually feel better now. All those words just flowed out so easily I can only pray/hope that a few Jurors can see an feel an hear from JM what I do daily. I know they have to wait until deliberation but they are only human as we are and have to have some idea by now of how they feel about JM and Jodi from sitting in that seat for so long listening.

    • just want to wiggle my nose at him I hope he backs himself into a corner to hide just like he is hiding evidence to show what travis was really like 🙂

  13. I have been waiting to comment so my blood pressure would have a chance to settle back into a more normal range…lol. I have some law enforcement experience and know my way around a court room. The thing that continues to amaze me is how THE PROSECUTOR (as he likes to call himself) can retry his case, with different opinions, and scenarios, and theories that have no relevance based on the direct examination by the defense. A Cross examination is to take the information presented on direct and question or challenge its veracity not to present new evidence or theories that the PROSECUTOR has had a chance to dream up during an overnight recess. For the Judge to continue to allow this to happen is beyond me. For an objection to be sustained and then virtually the same question be asked and that objection to be overruled is mind-boggling.
    This trial is taking so long for a multitude of reasons….not the least of which is the fact that the Judge has lost control of the PROSECUTOR. He says and does what he wants. Today with the tape of Jodi’s dad is just one example of how the Judge has lost control. JM should have been admonished and told that he was out of line and that ENTIRE line of questioning should have been tossed out and the objection sustained.
    I learned a great deal from a criminal trial judge where I grew up. The one thing he said he always looked for was desperation on the part of either set of attorneys. When they stared to grasp at straws or make the evidence say something that was not there he knew it was time to put them on a short leash and keep them focused. Case in point, today, what has any of this testimony from the morning session and much of the Snow White testimony have to do with Premeditated 1st degree murder? How does any of what has gone on recently go to prove the case of the PROSECUTOR? Fact is, it doesn’t. Discredit a witness, yes, that is the job of a good attorney. Slander, and profane, and insult, berate and belittle…NEVER.
    I am glad that JW and KN have pushed for mistrial after mistrial because it is on the record for the appellate level judges to review. Should there be a conviction, which I don’t think will happen, there will be a laundry list of appeal-able evidence to help out the defense.
    All said and done, once the emails and text messages, and phone calls were discussed, and with the ADMITTING today that the Mesa trip was truly spur of the moment…premeditation went out of the window. All JW has to do now is just refresh the jurors memories as to what was said and put in all in context, wrap it neatly in package, put a bow on it and call it a day.
    All this said in my most humble but most accurate opinion…LOL

    • DCFAN80 says: GREAT POST GOOD WORDS nice to have your sound advice here. Have you read the FLORES REPORT you can find it at the top of the page

      • I have looked it over but I am going to try and read it in it’s complete scope sometime this week.

        • Thank you for a great post!! You’ll be shocked when you see the discrepancies & inconsistency in the Flores report…

    • A couple of things you may not know DCFan, which I recently learned, and may help you understand:

      1. “A Cross examination is to take the information presented on direct and question or challenge its veracity not to present new evidence or theories that the PROSECUTOR has had a chance to dream up during an overnight recess.”

      In the states I have worked in, and the one I went to law school in, what you have said is absolutely true. However, it is NOT true in AZ (and apparently, according to what someone else said, it’s also not true in TX). In AZ, a cross examination is NOT limited to the scope of direction examination. ANYTHING relevant to the case can be asked. That’s some pretty broad scope when you have someone like JM doing the questioning.

      2. “[W]hat has any of this testimony from the morning session and much of the Snow White testimony have to do with Premeditated 1st degree murder? How does any of what has gone on recently go to prove the case of the PROSECUTOR? Fact is, it doesn’t. Discredit a witness, yes, that is the job of a good attorney.”

      Before the jury considers ANYTHING else, they have to decide whether or not the defense’s claim of self defense was disproved by the prosecution. Even if they subsequently decide that the claim of premeditated murder was proven, they must acquit if self defense was not disproven. You might want to read that through a couple of times because it’s kind of a mouthful.

      Essentially then, ANYTHING JM can do to disprove self defense is useful to his case. If the jury believes self defense, they HAVE to acquit Jodi. Thus far, ALV has been the ONLY witness to present some pretty damning evidence about Travis that *could* leave the jury feeling that self defense was NOT disproven. As long as JM believes there is even the slightest possibility that the jury will feel that way, he has ZERO chance of getting a conviction. Therefore, he is going to do whatever he can to tear away at the image of an abused woman that ALV presented; to tear ALV up, and to attempt to turn ALV’s evidence around to suggest that Jodi abused Travis instead. He simply MUST do this. Otherwise, he has lost his case. (Of course, I don’t mean I WANT him to do it. I’m just explaining why he HAS to do it.)

      He has to concern himself FIRST and FOREMOST right now with disproving self defense. He’s only dabbling in proving premeditation by casting doubt on ALV’s notes about gas cans. What he was trying to do there (and I only heard bits and pieces) is to say that even ALV doubted Jodi when she heard about the gas cans and a trip to Mesa, and she needed further clarification. However, she didn’t talk to anyone about it. The suggestion therefore, is that JM will present someone to speak further about the gas cans. This is all coming in his rebuttal.

      However, he is not stupid. He realizes that ALV captivated the jury and gave them credible information about Travis, in his OWN words, that they didn’t have previously. JM has got to destroy Jodi or his case is over.

      Does that make sense?

      • Yes, That all makes sense to me. I undestand your points. I have just never seen a trial handled in this manner. It will simply be interesting to see who can wrap that up and make sense of it all for the jury.

        • Indeed DCFan. But there are a couple of other “holes” in the defense case which are going to be problematic.

          1. In order for battered woman syndrome self defense to work, there has to be “some” evidence (and we don’t know for sure what constitutes “some”) that the defendant had no other option than to use a serious level of force to stop the victim. (I’m paraphrasing the law on this subject here.) The jury will be given an instruction on that which they will be instructed, in no uncertain terms, to follow. The problem here is that Jodi testified that she aimed a gun at Travis which she thought was unloaded, hoping to stop him. He came at her like a linebacker, and the gun went off, accidentally. After that, she doesn’t remember why she had to use such force (slashing at him with a knife, slitting his throat) to stop him. This is a huge gaping hole for the defense that they can really do nothing about. They put Dr. S on the stand to talk about memory lapses, but was it successful, understandable? I don’t know.

          JM (much as I hate him) is smart enough to address this during closing arguments. If the jury understands the instructions they are given, they can not reasonably say self defense was proven. The good news is they don’t have to. They only have to determine whether or not it was disproved.

          I think we may end up in a situation where the jury will see it more as a crime of passion and rage and opt for manslaughter — and I believe that will ultimately be a lesser included charge, based on the evidence.

          2. Following on from No. 1 above, one of the biggest problems for the defense has always been the brutality of the killing — the “overkill”. When I first became interested in this case, that was my problem with it. After seeing a few days of Jodi’s testimony, I tended to believe her. I’m a battered woman — the most likely person to understand (although many on the hater sites would put that into dispute). But I couldn’t get past the overkill. Then, I spoke with a friend who asked me to put myself in her shoes but with my ex. Would I have stabbed him once if I’d decided it was my life or his? And I have been in that situation where my life hung in the balance. Luckily, I was videotaping him and the police got there pretty quickly. I had thought about re-entering the kitchen I was backing out of to get a knife to stop him. But I hadn’t taken the thought process much further. Would I have stabbed him once and run? Hell no. I would have stabbed and stabbed and stabbed until I was sure he was dead 3 times over.

          Another part of my process was watching the Wendy Maldonado story one night on HBO “Every Fucking Day of My Life”. She and her son bludgeoned her husband with an ax and a hammer. It wasn’t self defense per se. He wasn’t attacking her at THAT moment. But she had to make sure he was dead, dead, dead. I also read about Susan Wright and Barbara Sheehan. It finally made sense to me. Abused women don’t just shoot/stab/bludgeon to injure. If that bastard walks, they’re dead dead dead themselves. So, they “overkill”.

          But here’s the jury in the jury room with all the photos. They don’t know any of the above. Chances are none of them have been in that situation. How do they reconcile that?

          I was extremely disappointed that ALV wasn’t able to discuss this — for one reason or another. Perhaps she had no experience in the subject matter. Perhaps the defense didn’t realize what a conundrum it presents. I don’t know. But to me, it left a gaping hole. My only hope is that JM puts his foot in it during cross and opens the door for it to be brought up on redirect. But he’s not THAT stupid, unfortunately.

          Again, I think that because of the “overkill” (as the jury will most likely see it) and no justification or understanding of other women doing the same, they will feel they HAVE to convict on at least manslaughter.

          The defense has a tough position. On the one hand, their job is to save Jodi’s life. They’ve done a remarkable job with that. But her memory loss and their inability to explain the “overkill” have left these “holes” as I see them.

          I sincerely hope I’m wrong, but after many many hours of considering this, it’s what I keep coming back to. It will serve JM right because he could have accepted Murder Two in the first place. But it won’t set Jodi free for some more years. Maybe that’s the best case scenario. The public will have mostly forgotten about her by the end of her time and she won’t be like poor Casey Anthony, living in hell and hiding.

      • Thanks AA, you also cleared some things up for me,..as much as I STILL think its unfair, and in a DP case, you would think that the worthless Judge would give a bit MORE weight to the defense, (and their objections), than to the prosecutor.

    • DCFAN80-
      Nice post. With regard to how the prosecutor gets to retry his case with different opinions, scenarios, etc. as well as essentially new evidence, I read somewhere that Arizona allows a lot of things not accepted in other states. Considering this state allows the death penalty, some of what it allows to essentially build your case as you go along, is extremely questionable-perhaps not from a current legal standpoint, but definitely from an ethical or moral one. If laws and consequent processes and procedures do not contain basic ethical and humane elements, they should at least not be harmful to people, especially innocent ones.

      Even in the case of this bully, accusatory prosecutor, perhaps this kind of prosecutor conduct he displays is considered high quality prosecution in Arizona, and JM is considered a role model for prosecutors in the state. However, JM’s aggressive, demeaning conduct is disrespectful, unnecessary, and unfair in a court of law, especially when it is used on reputable witnesses and experts to negate their character, treat them as if they are on trial, or aggressively try to twist their words or impeach their testimony.

      If this travesty of justice continues, it will just show that neither JM, the judge, nor those in power in the Arizona justice system “get it”. It may ultimate take higher powers beyond them to make much needed reforms in this death penalty state.

      • Thanks, Mattie. If needed reforms are eventually instituted in response to this BS, perhaps there is a silver lining in this dark dark cloud.

  16. have been reading tweets of the trial on @michaelbkiefer twitter account. Reading his take and yours (he tries to be unbiased) I think Martinez is grasping and Laviolette is a tough cookie. He wants Jodi to be unlikeable, and he’s using straw man argument: all liars are murderers, all waitresses who flirt with men are manipulative, Jodi Arias is at fault for everyone’s suffering including global warming, she invented anal sex and Snow White and the seven dwarves are sitting in the courtroom. He is stupid, and Alice is running around circles around him. So because Jodi wrote a manifesto she has high-self esteem? Where is that written and did he present the whole context as Alice has stated over and over again. Sometimes I think the defense doesn’t object because if he brings in evidence the hope they can bring in the context of the evidence. IE the dildo with a heartbeat text that JM tried to make Jodi appear like she used Travis although he wrote six hours (mind you) of hateful, aggressive and demeaning text messages to Jodi! He brought that in to evidence when he questioned her but he failed to elaborate how Saint Travis continued to demean her via text message. He isn’t passionate about his case he’s afraid he’s going to lose and he continues to sound “angry” because deep inside he fears the loss. He smells it close to him. I know Jodi isn’t a saint. She killed a person but look at everything this person did to her. He called her a stalker to his friends and them would invite her over to sleep with him, make herself comfortable in his home, and ask to borrow money from her. He’d talk to her about his love life and about sex. He would do that alot. He probably made fun of her because that’s what I think he implied on his IMs to one of the girls he was interested in. He used her and wanted to manipulate her til he got bored or tired or moved on like he did with Deanna. He used to tell jodi she was a stalker too. Who is the biggest liar? A person in denial because of a traumatic event or a man who wanted to bed, deceive and manipulate all women within 3 feet of him? And sorry to say it but no one even missed him because it took five days for someone to look for him when he was dead in his own home with room mates. Doesn’t imply to me he was the nicest guy ever. Where were his sisters and brothers that now appear on TV? Or his so called friends?

    • Thanks for the post saw that on the morning comment and gratefull you posted it here to good one 🙂
      FLNANG

    • nice post FLNANG!
      and LOL on this ” Jodi Arias is at fault for everyone’s suffering including global warming, ”

    • FLNANG I so agree with all that. Where were all the friends Wed Thur Fri Sat Sun an Mon at 10 pm oh they show up WHY? because the very next day was the Business Trip to Cancun? oh but he missed Family Meetings an Business Calls an Church on Sunday. An of course the whole weekend where young people normally GO GO GO he was not missed ? BULL HOCKEY more to the story but we have to go with this. Which is Jodi defended herself that is the Simple Fact he attacked her that day. Acquittal please please please or time served not DEATH PENALTY or LIFE for Self Defense.

  17. watching tv showes about trials I sure hope they were not paid off to convict her it is just strange to me how the judge is only onesided JM side what is up with that

    • Yes, he is another A-Hole chasing money,he says and dicusses what the network has deemed to get the most viewers, like a soap-opera, in order to bring in the most money. This network (HLN) has no standards, ethics, or class. It is evident that the only thing important to them is the money.

  19. WildAboutTrial @WildAboutTrial

    Still waiting outside. No one is let in yet. #jodiarias

  20. How much is JM and HLN going to cash in on as a result of this trial not to mention the Morman mafia ??

    • The Mormon Mafia is in this so fucking deep….hope they used KY, correction, Astro Glide or spit…

    • This is all Chris Hughes’s shit…He’s the one that came up with the Cancun bullshit on 48 Hours, with the evil eyes shit, with the talking to Travis shit warning him about Jodi when the emails show that he and Sky warned Jodi about Travis, and so forth.

      What I can’t get is how JM and EF fell for this shit.

      • Maybe they are LDS ? or have close relations to the LDS Church ? that is my feeling on that. I read that Flores is LDS not sure about Martinez would guess Catholic but I thought Flores was a Catholic an was wrong.

        • Rhonda
          Martinez is Not Catholic, since he is pro DP Catholic Church opposes DP. I think he is a JERK!

    • Well let’s see…Jeff Ashton implied that a lot of people was making money off Caylee during Casey’s tial time….yet when Casey’s trial was over…Jeff announced his retirement…and a few months later Jeff released his new book that he was secretly writing during the trial…and he made lots of $$$ dollars on the sale of his book…then a few months later…he signed a contract with LMN and made the Casey Anthony movie…and he added more $$$ to ching chang in his pockets…it was said he made in the millions for both the book and the movie….

      So who cashed in…the prosecutor of course…and now he is ready to move on from Casey Anthony….

      http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2013/01/casey-anthony-jeff-ashton-is-ready-to-move-on.html

    • Well that’s nothing new. They did have a hearing at 1 that may have ran over.

      Also Abused, did you have a chance to scroll back to my second answer to your post regarding the manipulative?

  22. Rumor has it Alyce is listening to the entire father’s interview right now…

  23. FLNANG

    You nailed it…

    [quote]And sorry to say it but no one even missed him because it took five days for someone to look for him when he was dead in his own home with room mates. Doesn’t imply to me he was the nicest guy ever. Where were his sisters and brothers that now appear on TV? Or his so called friends?[quote]

    • I work at home so nobody would miss seeing me if I was dead in the shower. However, they would report me not being on phone calls (like Travis missed) or on instant messenger (IM). I have in a few cases forgotten to turn on my IM and didn’t have any calls. In every case my phone rang with people wanting to know if I was ok. Had I not answered I have some degree of certainty they would not have let me rot in the shower for 5 days.

      • Exactly!!!! No one cared. At least you’ve got people who are interested in your well being. No one cares about Travis for five days. They didn’t report him missing or anything.

    • I agree that it taking 5 days was a long time to find someone everyone “loved”. Plus his “best” friend CH went to Cancun after he found out. I will never understand that at all. I do not and never will understand how the roommates and their girlfriends went in and out if that house for 5 days and not notice it.

  24. Knock knock is SJ around? I have a question for you.

    Do you ever laugh at our responses? LOL

  25. Ummm, Rainy… This post has scarred me for life:

    “You’re lucky – you only missed JM – he grabbed the judge from over the top of her desk, dragged her across the floor to his desk, spun her around hard, bendt the judge over as he pulled up her black robe. EF handed JM some ky and mean little hilter displayed to the jury the correct technique of anal. Meanwhile, EF was busy clicking away taking pictures…”

    🙁

    Also, WELCOME ROB! You’re absolutely freakin’ adorable!

    Also, the “point of HOOTERS” is the nipple. 😀

    Also, Renee, Astroglide is more for everyday use, while Platinum Wet (silicone-based lube) is best for fun in the water. 😉

    Okay, where did we leave off, trial-wise? LOL!

  26. When are we supposed to be back? My Internet is finally back but the trial isn’t

  27. I have tried everything to get my pic to show. If it doesn’t work this time, I give up.

  28. Lets play, shall we?
    I would love it if the mods on this site would allow the “pros” to reply to this little questionnaire. I know what the pros will answer, but more importantly I want to know “why” they feel this way. I know we live with a lot of stupid people, but can all of these pros be this fucking dumb? As an open minded person I have to except the fact that I can be wrong, and I would like for someone to pull my head out of my ass, if I’m starting to sniff shit. I would really like to know what the “real” arguments are for a “no” on ANY of these questions.

    Please remember that “possible” does NOT mean “probable”. If you think “sure it’s possible, but I don’t think that is what happened… then you must answer “yes” still. This is not my rule, this is the standard we use in the court.

    1) Yes or No…. Do you think it is possible that TA verbally abused JA?
    2) Yes or NO… Do you believe it is possible that TA Physically abused JA?
    3) Yes or NO… Do you believe it is possible that JA did NOT have intentions to kill TA when she went to his home?
    4) Yes or NO… Do you believe it is possible that JA was not in her “right mind” after the killing started, be it from panic, fear of death, shock, PTSD, etc..?
    5) Yes or NO… Do you believe it is POSSIBLE, even if not probable, that JA was initially trying to defend herself from TA attacking her?

    If you answered yes to #1 or #2, then you MUST answer yes to #5, as this makes it possible.
    If you answered yes to #3, she cannot be found guilty of charge 1.
    If you answered yes to #4, she cannot be found guilty of charge 2.
    If you answered yes to #5, she cannot be found guilty of either count, and must be acquitted of all other possible lesser charges.

    If you answered YES to ALL 5 questions, then you have a larger issue to ask yourself. How in the hell did JM get the CA’s office to back him on Felony Murder and Pre-meditated murder?

    If you did answer “NO” top any of the questions, please explain why. And, “because she let TA ass fuck her” or because she “lied about killing him” doesn’t count. Real evidence other than your “gut” is needed to convict someone, so I would like to hear your evidence. Also, to stop this from being a “I think she is guilty because…” thread, let’s keep it to the 5 questions above.

    So Pro’s, have at it…..
    (i’m 100% sure that the mods will not allow any “haters” to post, so be advised if you are not making an open minded thought out argument, they will just delete the damn thing anyway)

    • I think they are afraid to come here. Sometimes they have shown up and started to attempt real discussions and then it degrades into stupid shit on their part.

      LOLOL

    • For the record

      1-Yes
      2-Yes
      3-Yes
      4-Yes
      5-yes

      5A? I believe that they were able to get the 2 charges in, because they had nothing to lose. They are trying to “throw shit against a wall to see what sticks”. Why? THE TA FAMILY! I believe 100% that this is all the doing of the TA family. They are pushing for this as a way to mend their burnt bridges with TA years ago. I think they feel like they falied him, and now have the ideal that they can somehow save something by hurting his killer.

      I also believe they are trying to protect their image in their society. They are trying to act how they think others would act. The problem is, they are not really TA’s family anymore.. they left him, he left them. I know my dads side of our family left him/ he left them, and because of that I am also not in their lives..BUT, if something were to happen to me…they would come running to profess their love and heartfelt lose. Its about them. I think this is how TA’s family is. Friends? from what i have seen, he doesnt really have “friends”. I wouldnt call those people friends.

      This is how i think they got the charges in.

      • Answered YES to all 5

        an I agree totally with Sirlips word for word on the answers to why I answered all YES to all questions.

        Family a LDS involvement the community is FLOODED with LDS so are the offices
        in Law.

    • I answered YES to all 5 of them.
      As to how Martinez got the Felony Murder and Pre-meditated murder charges,I’ll never know!!!

      • Maria, we think alike. I cannot even figure out how that lying little turd is allowed to practice law, much LESS how he managed to get these charges in.

        Sirlips, it has occurred to me a number of times, too, that part of what is fueling this family’s desire for DP may be guilt that they weren’t really there for him when he was alive, so trying to make up for that, irrationally, by attempting to wreak vengeance on Jodi, now. And, of course, also, they must be in denial of TA’s abusive nature. It is so hard to fathom how much pain this whole tragedy has inflicted and continues to inflict both Arias and Alexander families.

  29. It’s obvious that Juan Martinez released the interviews with Jodi’s parents to the media last week on purpose!! What timing! Nurmi accused him of trying this trial in the media and I don’t know how he can deny it now.

    • He needs to lose his law license over this…He could, after he retires following this case and writes his tell-all book.

    • He knew that he would try to get this evidence in last week when it was released and HLN was his back up plan just in case things didn’t go his way and he could already have it out there just in case the unsequestered jury watches coverage like they’re not supposed to. I have a feeling that when all is said and done, he will no longer be a prosecutor in Maricopa County but a garbage collector instead!

  30. Anyone know why court is again late getting started…is it regarding the mistrial filing from Sunday

    • who knows melvis its been like this forever and they complain about the money jodi is spend to defend herself wish i could wiggle my nose and wow money would appear to get the evidence in to save her

  31. Made a comment earlier, while morning session was taking place, about the judge not being on the same continent -let alone the same courtroom where the trial is taking place – and I still believe that the judge should be removed from the stand and both her and the flea be permanently barred from ever practicing any form of law ever again.

  32. Also Abused:

    I answered a question you posed, but it is already way up thread from here….lol.

    We’re all a little excited today and posting like crazy.

  34. ‘Lright folks, I is back from my meeting. Now that the real work of the day is done we can get on with other stuff.

    I thought I left y’all holding the fort. Looks like JM got the better of y’all again.

    Everyones all up in arms.

    Keep the faith going. JW will fix it for Jodi.

    Like the say around her “Aint nothin’ but a thang”

  35. I hope they show the tape of the father in FULL to understand the backround of JA and why she became a TA subject!!! Weird father response!!

  38. has anybody watched this entire video? I do not think HLN played the entire video.

  40. I can’t believe they’re making Alyce L. make an assessment on the fly like this!

  41. I’m not worried AL, I don’t see that JM has been effective in the least. The “points” he has tried to make, IMO, are DULL at best.

    I have been reserving my opinion of the Judge, because I am biased, but I think that a blind man can see that she is most definitely PRO prosecution. I think recently its way worse, I think she’s pissed that the defense has gone over her head in light of her obvious incompetence.

    I was against a mistrial, because I hate to prolong this for Jodi, but this trial is so blatantly unfair that I’m rethinking that now.

  45. Oh boy, saying LV did shotty work. I can’t even believe that JM is trying to get in the father’s interview even though it was when she was only 14 years old.

  57. The judge’s head was bobbling up and down in a yes yes bobble while JM was stating his speech just now…

    She keeps favoring him…

    OVERRULED…you may answer the question…

    • I noticed that. Why didn’t the defense object?. He is very tricky and sly.

    • This was the video that the talking heads on HLN aired last week…the same comments they made about Jodi’s father interview sounds like what JM is saying to the judge now….they are helping him in this trial…the media is helping the prosecutor???

  64. And then JM went right into “not abused” as JW requested JM not continue to do. You know the judge will not admonish the jury to disregard.

  66. “at the age of 14, AND ONWARDS” He is disregarding the judge’s decision to limit it to referring to Jodi at 14.

  68. And let’s not forget what JW said, that the father’s statement is prejudicial because he was abusive to Jodi when she was 14. So he’d like for people to think she’s a liar. Oh boy. Poor Jodi.

  69. The judge seems to be ruling in favor of the state again…she is giving him more “rope” with that line of questioning…hopefully Alyce will come out the winner…

    We need that wiggle nose about now…

    I forgot…the instruction manual said you have to charge if for 24 hours before it is fully charged…

  72. Maybe someone should direct him to that hideous jodiariasanus Twitter page… he seems extremely interested in her anus.

  73. He is so retarded. I’m old fashioned but I wouldn’t have a problem talking to someone about anal sex.

    • Yes, same here. I’m totally vanilla but not a lot phases me. I don’t see how anal sex is a new or modern thing, it’s been around since forever.

      • As long as penises and anuses themselves have existed, I would imagine….
        Anyone else recall Dirty Pickles’ post some weeks ago?
        He said: *I give you a sailor’s answer -> there is no wrong hole”*

        …omg, that made me smile and blush: this vision popped into my head of a row of sailors, all lined up on the deck of a ship floating on some sea, who knows where, all standing outside a line of open port holes of the ship, each unidentified sailor with his pants around his ankles and his backside exposed…. and WHO THE HECK KNOWS WHAT or WHO behind each port hole, a different fantasy for each sailor… I literally burst out laughing and did NOT WANT to ponder upon any explicit details about what might be getting “poked” (anyone see Robert Duvall in those Streets of Laredo western movies?) behind each individual porthole, and just decided okay, doesn’t matter to me as long as there is consent all around, and any and all parties are enjoying themselves and no one is being abused… lol
        Where the heck IS Dirty Pickles lately????!

  75. Where the f**K is he getting at with all that ANAL SEX questions????

      • Good grief! Is this prosecutor turned on by this subject? How many times is he going to say it over and over and ask number of times!

      • Yes, he’s trying. I think LV is getting tired. Certain comments like “I could be wrong” can be misconstrued.

  77. Once done, should never refuse it to any one else. All women should KNOW that, Yes or NO?

  79. ”So if it’s not relevant you dont pursue it?”
    Doesnt he do the same thing in his job????

  80. GOOD GRIEF!!! I was still posting on the last page, lol, taking my time going through comments, NOW there’s over 220 HERE already!!

  82. JW is keeping an eye on pickes as well as jm

    JM immediately tried to go outside the parameters set out by pickles
    pickles limited the enquiry to ja at age14
    then jm said 14 AND BEYOND ie outside the limitation
    if i’m remembering it correctly

    jm back into cutting off al
    a kangaroo court

  83. I wish she would have said anyone can make a mistake, just like your mistake in overcharging Miss Arias.

  85. I wish JW would say we, the defense, didn’t have all the information to look at as far as Texts, etc., because the State didn’t feel they were important.

    • Oh yes I wish she would say that !! maybe it will come but that is the truth an nothing but the TRUTH right there !

  86. Please god, leave waffles out of this! Waffles and anal sexxxx! FFFUUUUUUU!!!!!!!!!!!!

  87. There is always reason to consider new info, Mr Martinez. YOU DON’T once you form an opinion, but other people do.

  88. “How can that be if you’ve already reached an opinion?” asks JM. Well, that’s what intelligent people do; not dumbasses like JM who form an opinion from lies then refuse to look at any real facts that may come up later.

  93. Oh come on, that is a ridiculous question, Juan. Her opinion was incomplete? He will literally try ANYTHING.

  94. who fucking cares who recorded it…it had no bearing on DV.

    this midget is off the rails.

  95. Juan is starting to amp up again. Come on Kermy – throw something. Get yourself in more deep doo-doo.

  96. Please let this end soon! I have been listening to this trial carefully, as have most of you all. If I am having a hard time following Juans line of questioning, AL at time has hard time following (and its about stuff she has read and done!), don’t ya think the jury is lost too?

    • I missed that!! Way to go Alyce!! this has been such a screwed up day with JM that I can’t watch it continually. Seriously it’s draining! glad ALV put him in his place! 😉

    • LOL she basically told the jury that he was being abusive! You can’t forget something that was said, regardless of the Judge telling them to disregard the statement. I Love It!! Go Alyce!!

  103. OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    ALV just kicked his yelping ass with this comment!!
    HAHAHAHAHA

    • Oh, God that was funny!
      Alyce: I’m an expert in DV not orgasms MR. MARTINEZ !!!!! LMAO

      He was probably hopeing she wouls say that she was alsp an expert in ORGAsms, so he could ask her what one felt like!! !LMAO

    • What do orgasms have to do with Premeditated murder OR Domestic Violence??????

      • Exactly. He’s trying to impeach the witness. I think ALV makes a great witness, but she is getting flustered by JM. This is having an impact on her testimony at this point.

        • So freaking what? There is redirect, which will put everything in context.

          This is just shit-stirring.

          I hope he will be done with cross today.

  112. Go Alyce! I refuse to watch that bastard Martinez but I love reading that she’s still giving him shit!

  114. WTF does this have to do with anything? If they had an orgasim GOOD FOR THEM!!!

    • Oh thank you Renee – I was getting so ANGRY at quacker spinning his lies, I really NEEDED to be able to have something to laugh at for a respite!

    • He can’t he wears one of those chastity things for the penis an I believe he has a insertion inside the penis for pleasure which prevents ejaculation a plug of some kind. This would cause this great discomfort for him which makes him show such great anger an displeasure to maintain through all these days in trail. My opinion.

      I think it is called a Penis Pincher? I am almost positive his penis is a Red Pecker also from all the pinching through the day.

    • Let’s all write him and tell him what a real one is and when one is faking it.
      If I were his wife it would take me 5 minutes to fake it, : )

  126. There was indication to me in that tape that Jodi did not exist at all for Travis except to be a conduit to his sex deviancy, and she was willing to indulge him. And I wondered why did she subject herself to it. It was evidence of control and abuse to me. There was not a single nice word toward her.

    • She tried to remind him of the time when he made her ‘feel like a goddess,’ when he courted her. But he ignored it. Jodi DID NOT EXIST in that tape, only a convenient three-holes wonder. Travis is disgusting for more than his sex shit.

      • So true, Viri. TA was some piece of work and the more I hear the less sympathy I have. Live by the sword, die by the sword.

        • I agree Cincy
          .Sick of the talking heads calling it “trashing the victim”

          Like someone saod IF he was so loved why didn’t they do something for 5 days?

          The talking heads and haters are trashing Joidi. They’re sickening!

  128. As much as I enjoy the punches ALV is throwing, I don’t think this is a good scenario. She has had to admit to a few errors which is never good. However, I think the jury might see through this but it is impossible to know which way the jury is leaning and, therefore, one can’t know if this is good or bad for the defense.

    • That’s why you have redirect.

      The big picture is JM has no case for premeditation, so he has to throw a mountain of shit at witnesses in the hope something sticks.

    • well if we looked at the mistakes the prosecution witnesses were called on, I think they were much more serious. Its just JM is making them appear to be huge, when really, they are not.

      • Detective Flores’ mistakes are probably the most egregious of the entire trial.

        Everything on the defense side is just bullshit on the part of the prosecution. There are simply trivialities.

    • I think she is not coming across badly at all. It’s time someone had the courage and balls to stand-up to JM.

      • I agree that she is not coming across badly. I also think the jury understands why she’s making the comments about the “time outs”, etc. I can also see that JM is getting her flustered. That being said, JM is very confusing not just to ALV, but to us and to the jurors.

        • He’s confusing to everybody. ALV handles him better than I ever could.

          Part of the strategy, I would think, is to try to get somebody to lose his or her cool.

          He tried that with Jodi, he tried that with Dr. Samuels, and he tried that with ALV.

          He’s come up empty.

          JM is the only one who is losing his cool.

  129. This man might be the darling of HLN, but I don’t know how anyone can listen to him and think he is anything other than a brainless wonder.

  133. I have this nagging feeling that when JM gets his “grade” today, he’s NOT gonna make the Honor Roll…

  134. OMG, grasping at straws is such an understatement, and would he stop talking in the 3rd person!!!!!!!!!!!!! You can say me, Juan!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  139. oh, farting martinez, if ANYone was MISTAKEN, it was your parents for begetting you, you slimy little piece of useless crap…
    sigh, sorry, peeps – he pisses me OFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! grrr

    • no need to apologize.Someone plz put him away in an asylum or sth,put him in a strait jacket and when he’s calm give him looooooove.Apparently,noone has ever loved him before that’s why he’s mad at the entire universe!

  140. EVERY FUCKING OBJECTION IS BEING OVERRULED.

    I AM SO ANGRY.

    at least this dip shit is coming across as a manic, perverted, asshole.

  142. Ladies and gentleman, this is what happens when you don’t get any. You’re entire life. It starts coming out in your career…………………………..

  143. This is for Also Abused. But everyone might enjoy it.The picture you have of J.M. looks like he’s masturbating,while getting it up the ass by one of Travis A. gay friends. HA HA!!!

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  146. Thanks Call the nut house to have someone pick him up. Where is the straight jacket. Please some duct tape for his mouth and some meds. Foaming at the mouth maybe a leash,collar and cage.

  147. This is no laughing matter!!!! JM is at the top of his insullance today. Everyone looks distressed. I can’t imagine what it’s like for AL today on the stand, but I personally feel beat up just listeneing to him!

    • That’s why I have really limited myself with him…a teeny-tiny bit of him goes a long way in my book.

      He’s a one-trick pony, and the classic example of a shyster lawyer.

      • Your right … I need to be more disciplined as to how much I expose myself to his abusive line of questioning. I need to follow suit and limit it.

  148. Good grief, it just took me almost 30min to get through this page of comments!! Lol, I was laughing so hard my friend/landlord called up to make sure I wa OK.
    Ms Alyce looks and sounds absolutely exhausted, and rat-face sounds like he’s going to “go in for the kill”-even though most of his “accusations” and “commentary are BS..
    HANG IN THERE ALYCE!!!

      • it cannot come soon enough for ME – I am so TIRED of him – I admire ALV for her stamina, but it just seems WRONG to me that this little monster is ALLOWED to act the way he does, and to get PAID to DO it…. where the hell is the strait-jacket and the duct tape!

  149. Hi Everyone-
    Haven’t been able to watch the trial today and have to wait to see it on youtube. However, I have just caught up on everyone’s posts. Just wanted to say that you are all quite funny, and I would love it if everyone could get together in person to celebrate when Jodi is free. I have a feeling it would be a hoot!

    • I would gladly join you!
      (and just for teh record NO,this is NOT a real threat to Mr Martinez.But we are still entitled to daydream,RIGHT?)

      • I still want to stuff my socks, now a little dirty, down the rat-face’s throat…

        I’m surprised he hasn’t choked on the BS he’s been spitting out…

  151. He is desperate, will drag on and on to impress the jury, knowing that his witness’s testimony is baloney.
    Looking forward to recross.

  152. I think I am developing a tic…

    as abused as well all feel watching, can you imagine how Ms. LaViolette is feeling?

    • My heart goes out to LaViolette…… I am sure she just wants to strangle him…… plus don’t foget the TIME-OUT…. That was hilarious.

    • Yes. She is holding on, but this harassment must be so awful without any possibility to defend oneself without being found in contempt. She is amazing.

    • Amen to that Ahsley….. His rope is getting long by the minute. She’s a disgrace……… How the Fk did she get this case is beyond me.

  154. Very interesting…… Today my daughter received email from her university about this case and HLN asking students to sign a petition. We are in the Kentucky….. and this trial is hitting the universities with petitons over this case, and outraged. As a parent, this is one trial I would not want my children subject to as it has more twist than a roller coaster.

    This line of questioning is Bull Sh*t……. He twist and turns everyone’s words and facts. She’s a DV expert not a sex therapist. Jesus Chri*t…..give me a Friggin break.

      • Folks, the heat is on! HLN continues to stoop lower and lower to fan the flames of hatred! The message boards are full of the most venomous, vile, slander and threats I have ever read, fueled by once thought of as professional and intelligent journalists and lawyers and doctors!
        Please join me at “Inconvenient Truths” on facebook and share your thoughts.
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        It’s all about Jodi now, but soon I’m sure George Zimmerman will take their stage. Trial by media is simply wrong, folks.
        Please continue to get the word out and our petition signed!
        Thanks so very much for your thoughtful, intelligent, and insightful comments. So many times I read and think, “wow, I wish I had written that!”

        • just joined!And just realized who you are,LOL(you changed your username)

  156. Objection

    Overruled as JM puts words into her mouth and prevents her from speaking. Bastard.

  157. smarmy, condescending, belittling, debasing, inappropriate, sexually repressed

  159. GO A.L.YES YES YES YES!!! I LOVE IT ! TAKE THAT YOU ABUSESIVE LITTLE DICK GRUMMPPY DWARF LOUD MOUTH ASSHOLE!!!

    • Well, very few cases have a twit like JM for a prosecutor.

      That’s why you have redirect. Everything will be okay with ALV.

      • Unfortunately if I had to guess I bet there is no shortage of jerk-off prosecutors. What we’re seeing here is probably the standard. At least in Maricopa.

        • grunt yep i suspect you’re right
          that being so, then i wonder why judge pickles ain’t taking a dip of chewing tobacco from a can of denaw

          also, would be instructive to know how and why pickles came to be picked for this job

    • She is prepared. But defending oneself against verbal abuse, misrepresentation of testimony without being able to elaborate, having to answer the same question over and over, is very hard for any one.

        • Did you guys realize that Chris & Sky Hughes were ALREADY in Cancun when they allowed themselves to “officially” receive the news that “something bad had happened to Travis?” I’m pretty sure they did not cancel any of their plans.

          • YES!!
            AMAZING!

            David Hughes said that they were on the way to Cancun to meet up with others and he got a message saying “Travis is dead”.

            He said that he was going to tell the rest of the group when he got there!
            So they stayed 5 days knowing he was dead and NOT trying to find out what the hell was going on.

            SOMETHING WRONG HERE!!!!

            • Ya what good friends. Really it was a business trip not like just a vacation fun time thing. Like people kept saying. I am sure they get their free time but still they could not come back early? an that is the company Travis was working for so the wheels never stop not even for a death. Come on it is not like they have conveyor lines running truly disgusting to me.

              • REALLY!!!! Didn’t even call his hime.
                What about the girl that was supposed to go with him?
                She wasn’t that concerned?

                I know without one doubt, that if my closest friend was dead, I would make a trip right back home, not stay in Cancun for 1/2 day. I would be back that night..

                They knew he was dead, they had been told. What did they do just go to Cancun and say hey guy’s Travis is dead and then just start business as usual???
                This is crazy.
                I cant believe the FBI isn’t on it.

      • thank you god some one else here see the truth tonysam thank you thank you thank you tonysam now to get the rest of 19,000 who visited this site to see what you just witnessed in court today im not stupid when i say she is been given a death centance before the defence can finish why because the hughes and his gang of wolves don’t want us to know what really happened and I want the FBI to get involved im hopping mad now

  163. Juan, yes or no, your going to pay for my therapy after my testimony? Isn’t that correct Juan?

  164. ALV should be able to just say “no, I won’t consider a hypothetical without evidence.” Maybe that would end this nonsense.

    • Juan would just whine to Judgie Poo, “She’s not answering my question!” *stomp!* and Judgie Poo would say, “Please answer the question, Mrs. LaViolette!”

      I’m flabbergasted at the liberties being taken and given permission for in this circus courtroom!

  166. If the judge overrules ONE more of JW’s objections I will not watch anymore today. I am aghast!

  168. I thought it was illegal to use hypothetical(s) and putting ideas in the jurors minds without evidence…

    • Cindy,

      I totally agree…. FACTS and EVIDENCE…. not assumptions, and hypotheical analysis.

    • How is he getting by with assume???

      Let’s just assume that Jodi wasn’t even around there, Mr. Martinez.
      .
      Then WHO do you assume did it?

  171. augh! I SO want to ablate all of his vocal cord tissue with a laser so that he can NEVER speak AGAIN!

    • Ablate. I don’t think that word has been mentioned on this site before. I like it.

      • Coldcase, glad you like it, lol.
        My familiarity with the word stems from the context of it being used in reference to medically destroying a particular area of brain tissue that might be best gotten rid of, but it occurred to me that JM HAS NO brain…. anyway I just WISH we could make him STFU!!! lol.

  172. dan hall was in the court room yesterday and now he is comming up with this new shit now they are trying to get JM to make a fool ot of AVL how low can this pople gert to cover up the really story about what really happend the nite he died now the freeman’s are comming forwated and clancy talbert on tv last nite this is so unfair in this is so not fair this people will do any to make sure the truth does not come out. we nee the FBI

    • Tonya, is that Samantha on ypur gravatar?????????

      Oh iv thought about that, the FBI. THIS CASE IS WAY TO DEEP FOR MARTINEZ AND FLORES.
      I missed the Freeman on TV last night, are they coming out now and what are they saying? ??

  174. “I’m not an expert in orgasms.”
    This trial is a total joke and Juan is the court jester.

    • Yup Grunt! Someone aught to send him a jester’s suit in the mail and suggest he wear it from now on…hat with bells included…Although I think the court jester is supposed to be entertaining…JM is FAR from being entertaining…

    • Wont have a ruling till June..mark my words.

      Jm and JW will have Pros expert on the stand for atleast 1 week.

      JW and the nurmirator will for sure be calling rebuttle witnesses now that they have mom and dads statement on record.

      It will take atleast 2 days a piece for final statements.

      The judge will be bombarded with rulings to judge on before she figures out the jury instructions.

      I think the fastest part of the trial will be the jury deliberating. 3 days. If that.

  177. So can someone please tell me what, if anything today, addressed a 1st degree premeditated murder charge?

    • We’re expecting that to possibly crop up sometime in July.

      SJ
      Team Jodi

          • Will someone please explain how it is that the State can hide evidence from the defense, and/or prevent them from obtaining it; and then present it in court without warning and pummel an unprepared expert witness with it? Also to badger her about the contents of the videos, when she is there to make an evaluation on domestic violence, which seems beyond the scope of those recordings, which were about the defendant’s history of lying.

            Also, two issues with the parents. 1) They seem to be hostile witnesses (also those videos should not have been made public.

            2) It seems like the State should not be allowed to take advantage of recorded jail interviews, be taking control over evidence that they gain in that manner.

            • It is certainly highly unethical behavior.

              ALL evidence should have been given during the discovery phase.

  180. Did you hear THAT? Someone in the courtroom just said as they were filing out, “I have a headache” I KNEW my idea of having a vendor’s cart outside the courthouse would be profitable. 🙂

    • Okay Dorothy, my head is hurting too.

      Please give us your take on KN’s outfit today!

      • Jodie….You didn’t see this morning’s comments? 🙂 To sum it up..MMMhhhhMMMM the outfit WORKED FOR ME! FIRST THING I NOTICED…FIRST (I think) COMMENT I MADE 😉 His outfit was the only thing that kept me watching…total eyecandy all around. Fashion forward A+ Tie and socks and shirt!!!! Man oh Man! Sharp! The man has got it going! *\ 😮 /* I’d like to see that ensemble with his black suit…

    • Yes! We could sell:

      KY
      Astroglide
      Pop Rocks
      Tootsie Pops
      Spray on bald spot concealer
      Wine
      Whiskey
      Vodka
      Xanax
      Ear plugs

    • Hell yah…I could make a 100 bucks a day just of the prosecutor…

      I would offer as service to him. before court i would pull the stick out of his ass, smell it and replace it, then after court i could repeat the process? why? Just to assure him that his shit dont stink.

      He would easily pay 50 bucks a pop for this.

      And the judge? I could sell her pens! Atleast twice a week she has to show up with a tampon behind her ear and can’t find her pen.

        • Books and DVDs on domestic violence, on healthy sex, on healthy mind, on the constitution, on media propaganda and how to detect it, on cult victims, on verbal self-defense, on bullying, etc

          • .. on how healthy it is for homophobic gay people to fess up and come out of the closet…

            • Now you’re cooking. We might as well use the energy and intelligence on this list for something constructive! Did you see the faces of everyone in court there at the end. They all looked totally dazed. I kid you not. It was like cockroach had sucked all their brains out, and filled the space with his end-up-no-where nonsense.

              I felt like I had just relived the 21 years with my ex. I got a new insight about how bullies of cockroach’s ilk deprive the kidos in the home of any adult presence. The abuser occupies all of the minds and renders all content of discussion a meaningless shambles. They suck all of the air out of the space, and everyone else is entrained, slowly sinking down under the mud.

              Domestic Abuse is a Killer.

        • Oooh yeah forgot those!

          Your list is much more extensive than mine anyway 🙂

          We should all start thinking of setting up a chain of convenience stores at every courthouse in every state that allows InSession to come barging through the door. Ca-ching!

    • What do you mean by “May”? The trial is going to be that long or that JM’s cross has gone into the period in May?

      I would think the trial is just about over with.

      • He is not close to being done. Then JW has to come back and rehab. Then JM can do a second direct with recross. Oh and don’t forget the jury’s questions for AL. And then closing arguments etc. If we finish by the end of April I will be surprised.

        • Who else is there left to testify? The month of April isn’t even halfway done, and I thought there were only a handful of rebuttal witnesses.

          • It is taking this guy forever to cross AL and then there will be redirect which will take awhile, perhaps recross, then jury questions, and then rebuttal can occur. Why do you think this is going to end soon when it is clearly way over what it should have been in the first place?

          • Recross, juror questions, reredirect, rerecross, any other Defense witnesses, State’s surrebuttal case, juror questions, closing arguments, deliberations… 6-hour days (max), 4 days/week.

          • Maybe she’s just clearing the calendar “just in case.”

            Maybe she thinks it will take the jurors a month or more to arrive at a verdict.

            • Do you think they can go home in the middle of deliberations? Take weekends off etc? Seems wrong as they could research et.

  182. That last objection was conveniently excused by the judge as she stopped the trial. So undoubtedly Martinez will still ask that question next time. UGH.

  183. JM is continuously cutting off AL’s answers
    and judge stephens repeatedly is allowing this and a host of other improper questioning abuses
    which any competent, and unbiased judge would prohibit

  184. Never in my life have I wanted to stick ice picks into my ears more than I do now! Good grief! This is torture! The ice picks may actually hurt less at this point! 🙁

    • This is nauseating and infuriating. Horrible judge. Horrible trial. Thank goodness Belvin Perry didn’t run a courtroom by this.

  186. why is he bring dan hall and the feeman into this now and the lies they are spewing to JM and dan hall is the ass hole with the dam guns im really mad now call the FBI

  187. Someone posted a tweet earlier that Detective Flores’ daughter is sitting with the Alexander family. What’s up with that?

  188. How can this hypotheticaql BS be allowed? This is going to be a hung jury is my prediction and this case will have to be retried. Hopefully with a different judge and a better defense team.

        • Unfortunately they may be good lawyer but this judge is a bad judge and she will likely sustain every one of JM’s objections. She needs really aggressive lawyers against this jackass.

  190. This stupid fucker has GOT to be trying to throw this trial… He’s just GOT to be; NOBODY CAN BE THIS DAMN STUPID!!!

        • I have no idea, bur her rulings are very, very biased and pro pros. She has no control of the courtroom and proceedings either.

        • Because the trial is not going in his favor of conviction. Jodie has a really really good chance of a positive outcome an shithead knows it.

    • I agree it is beginning to look that way. He reminds of trying to just keep the ball in his court until the “clock runs out.,” There is no real point to anything he pursues ad nausem. He should be made to establish what it is he is trying to accomplish, or else move on.

    • I haven’t learned a single solitary damn thing except that Martinez can’t stop thinking or talking about anal sex and orgasms!

    • Sure, Cindy!

      We learned that spaghetti sticks on ceilings, as well as walls.

      We learned that JM is interested in Jodi’s asshole.

      We learned that if you are louder that opposing counsel, the Judge Pickles Bobble-head will overrule every objection.

      • Oh, and we learned that Ms. LaViolette is no expert at orgasms. But I am, and this dude needs one.

        • I thought the cockroach metaphorically RAPED Alyce on the stand today. Once he brought out the heretofore undisclosed information that Alyce is conservatively uncomfortable discussing sex _ he purposely went out of his way to rub her face in it. How many times did he keep repeating anal sex, anal sex, anal sex after that. She was trapped into having to just sit there and take it.

          He actually had to invent a hypothetical fairytale for weaving in every sexual word he could come up with, and throwing it into her face over and over and over again.

          Somebody should have had him arrested. There is no excuse for a cockroach to get away with that kind of horrid nasty, despicable treatment of another person.

          He needs to be reported for the language with which he plastered that modest lady, thinly disguising his purpose as “legitimate cross examination.” It was nothing less than public ASSAULT. I cannot begin to express my outrage.

          We have many legal minds on here. PLEASE help come up with a way that despicable cockroach can be held accountable, seriously, no “slap on the wrist.” It was so deliberate, and so IN YOUR FACE.

          Please help us vindicate what has happened to her.

      • Awesome summary Renee’!
        I might use that in tomorrow’s post.

        SJ
        Team Jodi

    • We have learned that JM is twisting everything, in order to disqualify the witness the Defense Lawyers are not objecting enough.

    • Honestly I think he made some points today (and it bothers me) he is discrediting a lot of what jodi said on the stand and he is somewhat discrediting the DV experts assessment

      but i cannot say it now i will have to wait until JW is doing her recross although I’m not sure how it will turn out on the end of her testimony since JM gets the last chance after the jury questions

      • How can you discredit it when there is documented evidence of abuse?

        He hasn’t done one damned thing.

      • Plus he keeps asking if AL is biased in favor of Jodie… well… come on.. she is testifying FOR the defense after all… so yea.. she might be biased.. I would be if I was there for them..

    • That
      1. According to JM..AL likes Jodi so much and she so bias she’d though 30+ of experience down down the shit-er
      2. AL won’t be buying KY or glidelube
      3. JM is very interested where to purchase the KY & sent AL back to Jodi to get this answered:)
      4. We are still going to be here until May

  192. Curious to see if anyone agrees with me – I think Jodie has actually handled JM the best out of all the witnesses. Yes??

      • Yes! I was thinking this morning that ALV is an expert and still loses it with Kermit,think how stressful it must have been for Jodi to stand her ground and not go all nuts!

        • She proved that she was used to a lot of verbal abuse. Some she just ignored as if being insulted was normal. Some she verbally defended herself against like a real pro. And some she just cried.

    • I agree.

      I have experienced verbal abuse, and when one regularly experiences it with a sense of not being able to change it (Jodi is stuck, ALV can leave and is not on trial) there really is no need to fight back…can’t do any good.

      • What cockroach subjected Alyce to today is NOT “verbal abuse.” IT IS SOUL SHREDDING. Listen to us putting language out there that suggests this is normal and acceptable – as in get over it, already.

        I am furious 🙁

    • Well… I do think Jodie did well, but I still gotta give to AL.. I still think she is doing great , holding her own against such a bully.. she hasnt raised her voice, or gotten mad etc.. shes been very cool .. Jodie was also tho.

    • It has been estimated that Jodi had to answer approx 6,000 question. She definitely gets my vote.

  193. I kicked the judge to the curve!!! Meowingtons are in the house lol I figured with all the little kitty cat gravatars I’d sport my fav Deadmau5

  194. thank you tonysom for your insite into the hughes and the other wolves out there

  195. Can I asked this one question? Anyone out here who has been abused…..I feel like I reliving this all over again…anyone else? Anal sex and all….

    • I feel I am being re-abused. However, this time, I am much stronger, and I am calling Bullshit.

      • YES, To both of you!! I hadn’t had a nightmare about my ex in AGES, they’ve started up again with a rat-face midget.
        I also get goosebumps-NOT “good” ones..just brings back far too much pain and is exhausting.
        Which is why I’m here on this site. (Well, one big reason anyways!)
        Namaste all!!

  196. Can you imagine if Belvin Perry (from the CA trial) was the judge here?

    Has anybody seen any of the other trials ‘the prosecutor’ has been in? Have the other judges given him THIS MUCH leeway?

    • I loved it when he threw that young chap in the slammer for giving the “bird”. The shit slinging in this trial wouldn’t fly with Perry.

    • Perry would have had Martinez’ ass in a sling, even if judges do tend to lean pro-pros. And the trial would have been long completed by now.

  198. WildAboutTrial @WildAboutTrial

    #JodiArias, Alyce, Nurmi and Willmott head back into chambers. Mike B follows along with his stenographer machine. Stay tuned.

  199. Now I need this picture of my “other” baby, (if it shows up, it’s my feline mistress, happily sprawled across the top of the sofa as she strokes my hand & “smiles” 😉 ). I couldn’t get my hand in and take the photo..lol
    She wants to go cuddle, and since I’m running on 2hrs sleep, I,..WE HAVE to take a break!!
    We’ll be back later after a nap.
    Poor cat, I think she’s tired of watching the rat-face too!! (Every time he raises his voice, she looks up)

  200. Good Grief this little dweeb is going to drive me to something…not sure what though. Does he ever get tired of hearing himself talk? I think everyone should just leave and he could stand there talking, because he doesn’t let Alyce answer any of his questions!

  201. Questions… Does anyone know if any of the legal staff on Team Jodi have had cases with JM in the past…or is this a first for the three of them? Am I the only one seeing that Nurmi isn’t offering very much assistance to Jenn… It appears that Jodi is guiding her objections more than even Jenn coming up with when to object …. Thank God Jodi’s got gumption!

    • Nurmi is very passive, IMO. I believe that Nurmi is more of the bookworm, quite type on the Team. Maybe putting all these motions together. I wish JW would have handled the questioning of Jodie.

    • SEEMED to get in jm’s craw that jodi might have a comparable iq to einstein
      WITH jm it’s not difficult to understand why
      JODI handled him superbly, probably the best
      SHE probably has an iq way up there
      MORE than the entire maricopa county sherrif’s and prosecutor’s offices, including jm, combined

    • IMO Nurmi was the best one to question Jodi. It appears Jodi is very close to him & trust him. His style is slower & this let Jodi answer with long responses. I think JW is the best with the experts. She would be the more experienced in death penalty cases. I’m a huge JW fan. The burden is on her to deal with M1 charge.

  202. what we need is someone to say that this trial is fixed out loud so every one can here it 🙂

  203. cant stand it anymore what i see is the hughes found out travis was a pedo dip shit and asked the 3 boys what happened one told them theres the case

    • Hey Tonya, did you ever do a tarot card reading on the actual camera itself? Incase there were more pictures than the ones they are claiming to be the ‘only’ ones? I feel that there may be more for some reason.

      • will ask that question to your question and get back to you but not now trial is on

          • yes did for casey anthoney but did not have the internet just stupid HLN but asked the cards how did cayley die and the cards showed water and I told everyone that she drowned in water and when her lawyer at the end said that it made since that she loved the pool and her did found her got mad and hid the truth from mom ….and now the cards show me when I asked who killed travis because after reading the Flores report it just did not make sence that card is the 6 of swords rider deck used for 50 yrs and the card of travis time of death 4 of swords ironic that he was killed on the 4th you can google image and put in 4 or six of swords to see the pictures the pictures tell a story when you ask a question. they have never lied to me and poor jodi that is all they are doing to her now saying she is a lier but she did tell the truth and no one wanted to here that. I did and we have a man woman and a child in a boat moving away from the the action that took place on the 9th on the 10th how was on a cruse to cancun can you guess.

            • the only way to get them is to follow the money and the people involved follow the Flores report get the phone records to see who was talking to who 2 week before and after. and the emails text internet fb that will clear jodi hope that her dreams will help her remember things that will help her defence team … she was in shock at what she saw if it happened to me my mind would shut down to protect me. she was receiving threats on her and her family flores spoke to her on phone then did another she says that dan hall called her before flores called to talk to her . what did he say to her that day. she went a got a 9mm gun because she told use about a camping trip with this guys she never mention only that one was a coworker

      • BINGO !.

        I an certain when the crime scene pictures first came out, that I saw a SECOND MEMORY CARD.

        There were a couple of pictures of the washer and dryer. One picture of the washer showed it filled up with water, and absolutely no clothes inside. BUT – laying down on the bottom of the filled tub, was an image card. It showed very clearly. You could distinctly see those small square gold contact spots in one corner. You could see the natural reflection of the water surface, but the water was crystal clear so you could see right down through it with little distortion.

        I have gone on an Internet search to try to find those images again, but it seems like that they simply are not out there any more. Just all those bloody bathroom pictures etc. that we are familiar with.

        I hope someone who is capable will pick up on this post and set some wheels in motion.

        There has NEVER been more than one image card mentioned. That being the one that supposedly was IN the camera itself when the camera was found in the washing machine.

        There are precious few crime scene photos when you think about it. I am thinking there were many more images on that second card, and that its existence is being covered up!

        Chelion

        • chelion believe flores say there were 2 and could not get any images for that one because it was videos much harder to do unble to retrieve it hope that this helps

  204. Basically JM has spent the better part of two days trying to show that ALV is biased and giving testimony that is beneficial to the defense.

    Anyone who can walk and chew gum realizes that the experts put on by both sides will give testimony that is beneficial to the side that’s putting them on. The same holds for the ME, and Flores and the whole host of other witnesses the State has, or will put on. I think anyone who has any experience of the trial system, whether through fact or fiction understands this. In fact if you have any life experience you understand this. Any sane juror views the facts put forth by the expert witness in the most aseptic manner they can and then carry on. The purpose of ALV’s testimony is to show DV. The tapes, emails, texts and IMs do that, just as the various wounds etc show that TA was killed. The opinions thereafter are normally things a common person would make in light of any educational knowledge the expert may or may not have been able to impart.

    So wasting all this time on trying to show bias does nothing.

    As far as errors are concerned, no one is perfect and everyone understands that. And it will be very easy for JW to argue that if you want to view the defense through the light of errors made by Samuels and ALV, then perhaps you ought to view the whole prosecution through the supposed error made by Flores in an evidentiary hearing about the sequence of the gun shot. An evidentiary hearing without which this would not even have been a DP case.

    Oh, and in the passing, if the judge needs any more evidence of prosecutorial misconduct she just has to look at the timing of the release of Jodi parents tapes and it coming up in court today. That has got to be the most blatant piece of public manipulation I have ever seen.

    • Al
      I think that is why she forgets her glasses when testifying. Anyone can forget details!!

    • He should be disbarred over that.

      It’s that horrible and manipulative.

      And he has the NERVE to call Jodi manipulative.

    • Hi Al, obviously the prosector is hoping to show that while his witnesses may be helping the state’s case, they’re doing so because of an inherent logic within the evidence; in other words, they’re testifying regarding Jodie’s guilt because the evidence DEMANDS it. By suggesting subjectivity and bias within the defence, he’s attempting to show that these witnesses are forced to ignore information and make concessions to come to their “incorrect” conclusion. I’m not saying I agree with the approach of course, but it’s not an obtuse strategy.

      • JH

        I agree to a certain extent, but the problem I was addressing has to do with witnesses that provide an opinion. You have certain witnesses who present the facts and are done. Then you have the opinion witnesses and that’s where the issue starts.

        Fact witnesses in this kind of a case are normally the state’s witnesses, unless the defense puts on an affirmative defense, which they have not done in this case (remember self defense is not an affirmative defense in AZ). And the only opinion witness for the State so far has opened a door so wide I could drive a Mack truck through it. Which is a point I’ve been arguing for a few weeks now, and am still wondering what the defense has in plan for tackling the ME’s testimony.

        So I agree with you on what JM is doing. In fact that’s what I was trying to say. The opinion witnesses will do this on both sides, so just point it out and move on. After a while its just piling on and really does no more good and in fact the side doing the piling on stands a real chance of making the jury tune out.

    • Thank you for posting AL. Your clearly rational thinking always leaves me feeling calmer, and safer.

  205. Here is some insight on what a Jury might be thinking. I am a FORMER prosecution supporter. That has changed based on a few things. Juan Martinez has failed to make his case. If I take out all the emotion he is slinging around and look at only the evidence of the facts – I do not see any of that proven. He has failed to prove that Jodi stole a gun. He has failed to prove that Jodi took that gun to Travis’s house. He has failed to prove that Jodi filled up gas cans to avoid detection in Arizona. He has failed to prove that Jodi was jealous. He has failed to prove that she was obsessed. All he has proven is that Jodi love love loved Travis enough to want to see him be happy. On the other hand, the defense has proven that Jodi was at the very least, emotionally abused. It is not normal or acceptable for a man to refer to an intimate partner in the way that Travis referred to Jodi. Not acceptable ever, not during the relationship and not after the relationship is over.

    Another determining factor for my change in opinion in this case is Juan himself. He is abusive when questioning witnesses. He has engaged in raising his voice to intimidate, to manipulating witness answers and the biggest thing I noticed of him is that he changes his questions. He asks a question, than he is asked to restate the question and he asks a completely different question not even related to the original questions. For those that understand abuse, this is called gas lighting. It not only confuses the witness, it confuses the jury.

    I am so sick of listening to Juan Martinez at this point, his voice gives me the chills – it’s like someone running their fingernails down a chalk board. I personally feel that Juan has been disrespectful to the court and the jury with his antics. He isn’t in search of justice here, he is in search of stardom and that is obvious by his over the top dramatic antics in the court room. The prosecution claims to be out to seek justice for the “victim” and yet, their own behavior has done nothing but laugh in their victim’s face. Sad really.

    At this point, I have listened and watched Juan’s foolishness so much that while I was once open-minded to the prosecution and close minded to the defense, I have now switched. I am open minded to the defense and my ears are closed to the prosecution.

    If my feelings, thoughts and conclusions could do a complete flip flop, my guess would be that several members of the jury are probably feeling the same way that I do. Respect goes a very long way in the court room. Juan has been disrespectful on several levels and I think that turns most people off – especially when they are spending time away from family and work to sit on this jury. My conclusion is that Juan is dragging this trial out longer than necessary and I can bet many jurors feel the same way.

    Anyway, I am now a supporter of Jodi’s and I just wanted to share with everyone why I changed my mind and flipped sides so we could maybe get an idea what the jury might be thinking. I am sure that I am not the only one, but I think very few will come forward in public and state so. Because they are afraid of the ridicule that they might get from either side.

    BTW, I am so sick of the Juan groupies out there, seriously – when did the matter of life and death become a popularity contest. Juan disgusts me to no end, I cannot say that enough. He is far worse than that laughing guy.

    • Welcome Allexia, im glad that you’ve seen the light, lol . Im almost 100% sure that your right about the jury feeling this way and I blv they will come with a NOT GUILTY verdict and I can’t wait to see Martinez face.

    • Allexia,welcome to the objective side of the wall!!! Jodi needs every single person out there unbiased & willing to see the truth of her story!

    • Thats exactly my feelings I was not against Arias but I happened to see Juan Martinez screeching like a madman, that is what changed my mind and also HLN this is ludicrous. He is really bad in my opinion because all he wants is the DP. and he is not interested in the Truth! There are other factors in this case that make NO SENSE! The media bashing the huge amounts of Mormons coming on HLN Amazon etc to trash Jodi lie twist. anyone who has a different opinion has been silenced threatened etc. What are they hiding?? there is much more to the story.

    • That is a great post and reflects my views about the case. I felt it was overcharged and possibly was murder two or manslaughter at most, but given the failure of JM to even prove anything at this point, I believe Jodi Arias should be acquitted of all charges.

  206. WildAboutTrial @WildAboutTrial

    Juan and Det. Flores are going over some papers as we all patiently wait for the defense to come back from chambers. #JodiArias

    • Selling one of her post cards?! Are you kidding me??? That’s no friend. In fact, with friends like that who needs enemies?!!

    • There was also a ‘neighbor’ on Dr. Flu’s show, speaking negative about JA yesterday. She seemed a bit wierd.

    • You know what???I’m literally SHATTERED because I would give anything to have a metered postcard in my hands and be able to write to my Jodi and yet that person who was lucky enough to communicate with her doesnt appreciate it and sells it for money!!Talk about exploitation.I’m sad,just sad 🙁 🙁

      • I have a suggestion. You could send the postcard to one of her family members. I have her mom’s address and her brothers, and they could get it stamp metered here in the states and have it sent to her.

      • Right maria because you’ve been a long time supporter here and would appreciate the postcard far more than that dork does. <3

        Perhaps Jodi can send someone a post card for you, and they send it to you in Greece? Like a third party?

        • I could only dream about sth like that MB.I can’t be a burden to anyone,though.All I’m saying is that when I read that this person willingly gives away sth that to me would be of an utmost importance and sth I would cherish,it brought tears to my eyes.Because I did a research,I even contacted the Post Office Manager in the small town where I live just to verify what I already knew;that there is no such thing as a metered,no stamp on postcard in Greece.And you know,it hurts it just hurts 🙁

                • AWWW..Now you’re gonna make me cry again…All of you here have been a great support system,I would have nowhere to turn to for information about this trial,I’m blessed to have found you,I’m eternally obliged to SJ for having created this site.

                • Awww Maria.

                  If I could win the lottery I would host us a BIG party for jodi when she gets out!

                  It’s so nice to see some of the same “faces” here for so long.

                  (FYI, All you new people are great too!!!)

    • Disgusting.
      But keep drawing and writing, Jodi. You’re a good artist and a good writer. Never mind false friends.

  208. I’m just waiting now for him to insinuate that she’s biased because she’s a man-hater.

  209. It’s official. I am completely addicted to this trial. I did manage to get to my psych appt and get my, “Holy shit, I want to bounce basket balls off JM’S balding head” pills and make dinner! But all I could think of is “Did Alyce squirt KY at Juan” from the stage? Yes, I typed stage, cause that’s what I thought. Freudian Slip? From the comments, I guess it still is a theatrical review.

  210. The sad thing is that outside of this little bubble of support (and yes the larger bubble of like-minded souls) the majority of go-with-the-crowd americans thinks Juan is a superstar. He goes home every night feeling oh-so good about himself. Aint it a shame.

    • That’s the power of media propaganda.

      It’s scary. A dictator could take over this country using the techniques of HLN.

    • No proof of that. No reliable poll has been taken on the general population. No evidence either that a majority of people are aware of the trial, or are watching HLN propaganda and reading one-sided newspaper reports on paper or online.

      • I dare you to check out the comments on virtually any article regarding this trial. No that isn’t a reliable poll, but the contrast between ‘here’ and any other forum is very striking. I’m not happy about it, just saying.

        • True, but those are from people who have been exposed to daily coverage (HLN,) or who jump on the hay wagon without any knowledge of the case. Also, many of these sites are moderated by pro-Travisites. Originally before coming to this site I posted comments to question the status quo and the hatred. Very few and only very mild ones were posted. Other people, with the same disgust, posted once and got out.

    • I’m sure Jeff Ashton went home feeling like hot shit every night too. Until July 5, 2011 :).

  212. What’s with the “Assuming HYPPOTHETICALLY…” questions? Is that even legal???

    • I think it is another good appealable issue. I don’t think you can just do that…make up evidence and throw it out there as a hypothetical and then ask an expert if it would have changed their WHOLE opinion. Ridiculous!

    • Isnt he HYPOTHETICALLY supposed to be there to present EVIDENCE??OF premeditated murder??

  214. Alyce, it’s a TRAP! Refuse to go along with this hypothetical. This is wrong. The judge should stop it.

    • I would also refuse to speculate. Throw my ass in jail for contempt, I dont fucking care.

        • .Bystander, I share your rage.

          All I could think of watching Alyce suffering through the cockroach’s degrading abuse today is this: In the one hand Alyce holds the torch for enlightening and educating about abuse. In the other hand Alyce holds the life and death outcome for Jodi.

          Making a statement for domestic abuse by standing up to cockroach, could boomerang and somehow give that insect the upper hand to harm Jodi.

          Cockroach is already getting away with unbelievable transgressions of all that we hold sacred in our country’s “justice” system.

          The un-fairness of it all makes me want to cry.

      • I’d refuse to assume ANYTHING JM said to me or asked my hypothetically. WTF kind of monkey court is this?

      • Damn straight! I would refuse to answer and I wish ALV would, too. This is a f#%king outrage!

    • This is like a prolonged interrogation that police sometimes do. They keep at people until they’re exhausted and don’t know what they believe anymore. It sometimes lead to “false confession,” I hope the judge will FINALLY stop this questioning especially if Alyce suddenly confesses to killing Travis herself.

        • I think it really IS illegal. We in this country cannot even get our laws recognized and enforced rationally any more. We do have the laws. Probably too many laws, actually.

          Yes, I am fuming mad, too!

      • ” It sometimes lead to “false confession,””

        yep!

        Coldcase53 if you get back to this message…have you seen jodi’s interrogation videos?

        (Of course I will be lucky if I remember to look back here again, LOL)

        • BeeCee,

          I’ve only seen maybe 1.5 hours of Flores questioning Jodi where she drew him a map of her trip and he told her he had explicit photos of her.

      • I was totally thinking that myself! Damn! He could probably get anyone at this point to admit to it just to get him to shut the hell up!

  215. If I was AL I would look at the judge and say I really don’t understand what he wants.

  220. wtf…assuming hypotheticals again, wasting everyones time, you ignorant douchebag

    • Jodie, if you research the Internet for mind control, that is what cockroach is doing. Along with methods used in PPL, and cults I am sure you can think of.

      Cockroach kept inserting into the mind of anyone hearing him, one intangible, non-existent image, layered upon another. These came with a tag: Hypothetical (that’s a good hypnotic word for you.) Pretty soon the mind short circuits and cannot keep all the complex images in tact. At that point a state of hypnosis is induced. Now the “speaker” can insert suggestions that get picked up by the sub-conscious mind, because it is not being protected; it is vulnerable.

      Look at the faces of anybody there by late afternoon. I am sure we will be treated to more torture tomorrow.

      People, especially Alyce and Jodi and Jennifer, had that “look” of “nobody is home.”

      I am telling you, this stuff is scary. It is the actualization of the Frog in the Pot, coming to a slow boil. But is we who are the frog in this not-so-hypothetical story. The cockroach (Kermit) is tending the fire.

      Somehow we have to collectively figure out how to put an end to this. We are being brainwashed to believe that this is “normal” “OK” “something we cannot do anything about.” If we cannot turn this ship around, we are all in big trouble.

      This darn trial has opened my eyes to a whole world that I wish I did not know nothin’ about.

  223. ALV doesn’t seem to very quick on her feet, because she’s tired or whatever.

    The answer to JM’s question is simply that it doesn’t matter how the fight started. It’s what happened and TA’s reaction that shows DV.

    This is such a simple question to answer.

    • I’m exhausted just watching! I can’t imagine getting yelled at all day by Juan.

    • ALV is gonna need treatment as a Battered Woman when this BS is all over and done with! Damn!

    • She tried to say that she believed there was an argument and TA apologized. That wasn’t enough for JM.

      Ironic that JM used these same journals as truth to go after JA.

    • I think she just tierd of answering the same questions over and over. Martinez has asked about 5 different questions today, he’s just asked them in 20 different ways!!!

    • Al, cockroach is using hypnotic techniques that are used by sales people, preachers, mlm scams, cults, etc. Alyce is being affected by this. Wikipedia has some good information on this. Tomorrow at the end of another treatment by cockroach, just take a look at the faces in the room. Especially Alyce, Jodi, Jennifer. That have that classic look of “nobody is home.” They have reached the point to which the speaker (cockroach) can put suggestions into their unguarded subconscious mind.

      It is actually called “conversational hypnotism.” The individuals are totally unaware of what is happening to them. They stop using their critical mind.

      Chelion

  224. Alyce says, “Is this a hypothetical?” Juan says, “Let’s assume its a reality”
    I kid you not, that’s how it was said.

    • Yes, after the objection that was overruled as long as JM used the word “hypothetical”

  225. ohhhhh myyyy GOD! !!! He’s driving me CRAZYYYY!!!!! How can someone be SO CONNIVING!!!!!

    • OK everybody. I have posted about this already, but now I think this is more serious than I realized. These last few posts that used the word “hypothetical” – I recognize that word has become a “trigger” word. It was planted in our minds today (and yesterday) by cockroach.

      I do not want to sound crazy, SO, I will send you to Wikipedia to find out for yourselves. Our cute little cockroach has been using a technique called “conversational hypnotism.” By the end of the proceedings today, people had that look of “nobody is home.” They are NOT just tired. Particularly affected were the ones who needed to “attend” the hardest – Alyce, Jodi, Jennifer.

      Tighten your seatbelts. We are going to need one another.

  228. I feel so sorry for Alyce! Damn, he’s practically battering her as we speak, right on national TV and live streaming all over the world!

  229. This trial has Mistrial written all over it. There is nothing more I can say that everyone here hasn’t already said. The Puppet Judge Stephens is a disgrace. Juan Hitler Martinez makes and breaks the rules as he see’s fit. Alyce has to be worn out after 2 full days of this garbage. Jennifer Wilmott is objecting now just so it’s on record for appeal. She realizes noting will be sustained. All I can say is I truly hope the jury has common sense and see’s this trial as all of us do.

  230. I think ALV is trying to fight him a bit too much and that just gets him going. She should just answer yes and carry on. So what if the journal entry does not have little detail? Most don’t.

    All she has to do is say what is in the journal is true. It may not be the whole truth, but journal entries are not made under the oath of the “whole truth”

    • Al, you are so right. The best is that what you say is so simple – about just saying the journal is true. Is there any way that you can pass this information on to the people who can use it?

      Chelion

  231. posted way up

    SEEMED to get in jm’s craw that jodi might have a comparable iq to einstein
    WITH jm it’s not difficult to understand why
    jJODI handled jm superbly, probably the best
    SHE probably has an iq way up there
    MORE than the entire maricopa county sherrif and prosecutor offices, including jm, combined

  232. This sucks. JM is wearing ALV down. She should have stuck to the answer that she doesn’t necessarily trust the entire entry to be true just that an argument and apology took place.

  235. ALV is very upset, you can tell!!!! She’s had it. She’s already told him she would tell hi to take a time out and the judge wasnt too happy with that. Its like she CANT say what she wants (the truth). She then looks at the jury and nods her head and looks down. I hope the jury sees this because it sais a lot too.

    • Poor Alyce is just exhausted.He has worn her out,all right.Can you imagine what it must be like for her to be there for days and days,having her every word twisted,being discredited,yelled at,almost ridiculed and all that by a yelling ape?
      I personally hope the jury sees through Martinez’s antics,he has no case at all and tries to deviate from the truth as much as he can,just to confuse the jury.My oh my…

      • Mindblowing indeed. I can’t imagine. The closest I’ve ever come to anything like that was about 20 minutes of a prosecutor treating me in a similar way (on a very minor mistermeaner) and I played right into his hands, lost my cool, and lost the case…
        I was the ‘offender’ and coudn’t take the heat. I can’t imagine being totally removed and not charged whatsoever and still maintaining cool like that
        Alyce is AWESOME! God bless her.

  236. The one big question that wasnt asked. IS JUAN MARTINEZ HAVING ANAL SEX?,he certainly is being an asshole,maybe Flores could help him out there,no wonder his voice is a pitch higher than anyone else,

  237. WTF – he asks her “when is jealousy good” and she tries to tell him but he says “no! I don’t want you to tell me what someone would do!” Come on judge!

  238. Is it me or isn’t it true that this no longer feels like Jodi Arias trial, but rather …I”m lost!!! LOL

    • I couldn’t tell you what this is about anymore. I can’t tell you what is real between Snow White, the hypotheticals, the no it didn’t happen but I’m saying it happened.

      At this time, I’m going to eat dinner with my prince charming.

  239. What a total waste of time and tax dollars and I can’t believe this Judge is allowing it.
    Juan’s only agenda seems to be to try to play offense to the defense and catch Jodi and everyone else in lies. If he had proof of his own case of premeditation he would not be so persistent to try to do this.
    That lack of evidence speaks for itself.

  242. I hate when he using hypothetical, I think we have one jury member that doesn’t understand what a hypothetical is. I referring back to the jury questions about those durn gas cans.

  243. I wish there was a witness who would’ve thrown in a zinger with an ‘innocent’ answer just to flip his top further. He might have gone into full tribal dance mode :D)

  244. A hypothetical pattern of jealousy……really. Even though ALV says she doesn’t see a pattern.

  245. I have hockey to watch. I’d love to check Hitler into the boards in front of his Puppet Judge. Overrule this Sherry

  247. I need a drink and I still have another hour of work before I can have one…..geeesh!!!!

  248. Aren’t you not looking at both sides equally when you enter this hypothetical small picture of a psudo-reality that I am creating here on the fly while I feel oh-so mighty and look at how I’m making you feel oh-so small… Isn’t that true? Correct? If you were relying on something that you read right? This brain of yours that you used, correct? You made a decision in your brain as part of your decision to put into the barrel of information of your brain that is a cancerous decision, wouldn’t that affect your decision? In your brain? Correct? Isn’t that true? Correct?
    I want you to assume that? Can you do that? (OVERRULED). Can you do that????

    • Grunt, your message makes about as much sense as what I am watching… LOL…

      Imagine how lost we are, and ponder the thoughts of the jury…

      • That was me just writing on the fly trying to ‘transcribe’ what that jackass was saying to Alyce. That was about 60 seconds worth…

    • OMG that’s perfect, Grunt! You nailed JM’s testimony perfectly! (And he isn’t even s’posed to be testifying!) lol

    • Great post, Grunt. That takes talent. It is a good one to start our collection of actual evidence of the effect of cockroach’s courtroom mania. My personal goal is for us to take away his license to kill.

  249. J.M. “Can we assume?”
    A.L. “You want me to assume?”
    J.M. “No.”

    WTF???

  250. Who could possibly follow his lame crap. Alyce deserves a nobel peace price for not just screaming FUCK YOU ASSHOLE!

  251. This whole jealousy thing is again being caused by JM not getting the nuances of spoken English. I don’t mean to sound bigoted by I wonder if he grew up not speaking English at home?

    I’ve seen the same sort things with other friends of mine from places like India and China. The vernacular and its finer nuances get lost on them.

    • He is manipulating. Adding and subtracting wording and evidence in his hypotheticals, then stating it as fact. She calls his bullshit. He starts again. He gets confused sometimes but he has a looooooooooooong experience at verbal manipulation and abuse IMO in court and at home.

        • viri
          You are right in the very beginning I stated that his style, it is too add subtract and twist, I think the Defense should have been more prepared with their witnesses, For example she never saw the Interview with Jodi’s Father, interviewed Family members, so I think he is gaining ground, I hope that his obnoxious manner hurts him!

          • Her focus was on the relationship between Travis and Jodi.

            Remember, JM has a flimsy murder one case, and he is throwing everything plus the kitchen sink out there.

    • Actually he is trying to discredit LaViolette with the Jealousy He get5s it its Just a ploy to discredit Jodi’s excuse the Law of attraction.

    • I have a relative like that and his family’s from Mexico – but he’s like JM because he’s an asshole who refuses to try to understand anything beyond his realm of beliefs.

    • Al, that is exactly right. Cockroach speaks English as a second language. He’s one of the rising-star success stories.

  252. I truly hate the way the lawyers on HLN describe today as “FIREWORKS in the courtroom” and “JM is HAMMERING Alyce LaViolette” while all I’m seeing is that he’s been yelling at her all day long and he’s way out of line.

    • Now they’re saying he obliterated her, she has no credibility. Only a lawyer would say something like this. The rest of the world sees a very angry, ridiculous man shouting at a woman who is basically seeing that HE is the liar. And I’d bet you anything the judge used to be a prosecutor.

      • Only a lawyer PAID by HLN to say those things and disregard legal ethics would say that.

        JM is a cancer on the legal profession.

        • Today the purpose of a prosecution is to serve the prosecutor’s career and that of the party that appoints him or her. A prosecutor’s career is served by high conviction rates, which require plea bargains in which the evidence against a defendant is never tested in court or before a jury, and by high profile cases, which can launch a prosecutor into a political career.
          It is rare for a prosecutor to suffer any consequence for bringing false charges, for consciously using and even paying for false evidence, and for lying to judge and jury. As prosecutors are rarely held accountable, they employ illegal and unethical methods and routinely abuse their power. As judges are mainly concerned with clearing their court dockets, justice is rarely served in America, which explains why the US has not only a larger percentage of its citizens in prison than any other country on earth, but also the largest absolute number of prisoners. The US actually has more of its citizens in prison than “authoritarian” China which has a population four times larger than the US. The US, possibly the greatest human rights abuser in history, is constantly bringing human rights charges against China. Where are the human rights charges against Washington?
          Evidence is no longer required for the president of the US to imprison people for life or to deprive them of their life. A secret Justice Department memo has been leaked to NBC News that reveals the tyrannical reasoning that authorizes the executive branch to execute American citizens on the basis of belief alone without the requirement of evidence that they are terrorists or associated with terrorists.

          • Oliverio,

            Great post, but now my heart is broken. Another example of collateral damage from getting to the point it has, it the virtual “madness” that lies behind the sharp rise in horrific killings and suicides recently.

            Just look at the defeated and angry tone that pervades this forum, literally overnight.
            What makes people the angriest – it is un-fairness. It was our first primitive emotion when we were little kids – whether things are fair or not. When a system is unfair, people feel confused, abused, powerless, and desperate. Life is unpredictable. Actually, it is what Alyce’s work is about.

            Chelion

            • Chelion,
              You are absolutely right our desire for truth that is the foundation of human nature and although our nature is Flawed original sin etc, we have that need for truth built into our system. Many have speculated on Jodi’s Fathers interview where he says his daughter didn’t trust them well she was 14 years old where did that lack of trust come from? All Lies come from one big lie,I did not believe her Father because NO parent would speak that way about his daughter unless he was guilty of something. Alyce I believe looked at the totality of the evidence, not one specific interview event etc.

    • That is a channel for the SHEEP to follow filled with untruths an lawyers that could not make
      it an took the easy way out to be a Showboat Lawyer on a Entertainment News Channel
      which is so bogus an one sided they actual show discontent towards anyone that thinks
      outside the box on anything.

      The people that watch it will repeat word for word what is said on HLN. They do not
      get out an do any thinking or investigating on their own so therefore they are followers
      sheep go with whatever the Show boaters say. Truly disgusting to me.

    • Yeah, that what gets me too. Haters are *celebrating* like everything he is doing is a grand achievement. Uh, no it is not. Martinez is supposed to be a minister of justice, not seek a conviction at any cost. Which is exactly what he’s doing.

      • They’re too dense to understand what is going on in court. JM is doing what he is doing because he has NO CASE for premeditation. He overcharged the case because he listened to bullshit peddled by Travis’s friends and colleagues and not looking at their claims in a skeptical manner.

        At most this was murder two and likely not even that.

  253. I bet the court clerk is tripping out trying to keep up with their answers hahahaha

  254. HYPOTHETICAL ASSUMPTIONS are NOT FACTS! Isn’t the Prosecutor supposed to be in search of the FACTS and the TRUTH? JM is a fucking disgrace. Maricopa County, you should be ASHAMED and EMBARRASSED!

  255. jm
    truthful or untruthful ?
    yes no ?
    objections on two grounds

    truthful or not = vague question
    truth doesn’t have such a clearly defined dichotomy

    yes or no
    impermissible demand of witness

  257. Jane VM just said that Alyce was being “so disrespectful” of Juan. Gag me with a spoon.

    • They’re all lawyers on HLN. They’re completely out of touch with reality.

    • Grunt I just heard that also..and all the pundits agreed…like JM never has? He has been even to his own witnesses..I can’t take much more of this~turning HLN to Discovery Channel and seriously can’t watch anymore of this cross today..Peace out guys! Hopefully we will get to re-direct soon and some sanity!

  258. When you don’t have the facts on your side you deflect and badger instead if you’re JM.

  260. Mr. Martinez, I can work with the hypothetical that you are a hypothetical prosecutor with a hypothetical brain…..I’ll assume that!

  261. Martinez ‘s next hypothetical is going to be about what Travis could have become if he wasn’t killed, Could he have become President of the United States.? It’s possible. Could he have brought world peace? I suppose he might have done that. What about cancer? Could he have found a cure for cancer and all other disease? Hypothetically, I guess he could.

    That wouldn’t have any effect on the jury, would it?

    • I wish JW would come back with a hypothetical – if you did not defend yourself, Ms. Arias, where do you think you would be now. In the grave? It’s hypothetical!

    • He is going to need to hold on to his ‘hypothetical’ ‘assuming’ when the trial verdict comes in, to pacify himself and the entire TA kingdom. They are going to have to ‘hypothetically assume’ that THEY won!!

  262. “I want you to assume this as a Domestic Violence PERSON who has had some studies” – Really???

  264. My brain is so scrambled by Kermit all I can do right now is sing ”the Cell Block Tango” song from the musical Chicago.YOU GOTTA LOVE that one!!! Especially the part with the girl saying:

    ”Single” he told me. Single, my ass.
    Not only was he married…
    Oh, no, he had six wives.
    One of those MORMONS, you know.
    So that night when he came home from work,
    I fixed him his drink, as usual.
    You know, some guys just can’t hold their arsenic.

    He had it coming
    He had it coming
    He took a flower
    In its prime
    And then he used it
    And he abused it
    It was a murder
    But not a crime!”

    i swear to God the dat Jodi gets aquitted I’m gonna be playing that song,singing at the top of my lungs nice and proudly!!!!!!! Kinda like Jodi’s national anthem,you know?

      • Because that was sickeningly brutal to Alyce LaViolette. And the judge LET it happen.

        • Yes.

          Concluded the judge sucks. The other side hates everyone. When AL ( our al) said its a good thing because both sides dont like her, I think hes so nice he didnt account for that the other side doesnt want anything fair to happen when it comes to jodi. therefore, they hate this judge for allowing anything in about their precious abuser.

  266. jw mischaracterizes answer
    clearly did
    judge overruled

    judge you’re incompetent
    and due to the frequency of your pattern of such rulings you’re partisan/biased

    especially cutting off al’s answers

  267. Lesson here, kids: NEVER BE NICE OR DO KIND ACTS FOR YOUR EX-BOYFRIENDS/GIRLFRIENDS!!!

  268. All that ‘ASS’ -uming that he is insisting on, and this after all the Anal stuff he kept going on about… hmmm

  269. I wonder if the defense is allowed HYPOTHETICALS during the rest of the trial…The judge is letting JM get away with far TOO much.

  270. to the lawyers, since no one wants to stop martnez from blah blah blahing in everyones face. please tell alyce she doesnt have to answer these questions he is making up. that is all about him not anyone who is a person who is there to testfy for any reason.

  271. THE JURY HAS TO RECALL THE TESTIMONY???? WTF WTF WTF ??????????????????????????

    • Yeah, Dorothy, i didn’t understand that… Recall WHAT testimony? And forgive my ignorance but who is Mr. Juarez – did he testify earlier?

        • Did he testify? B/C JM made it sound like he did and I’m so confused I’m not sure what was going on. Was that the testimony the judge told the jury to recall?

    • That is true. It’s one of the peculiarities of the system. The jury gets to view the exhibits, but they do not get to review the testimony.

      As an aside story. Our company was in a commercial suit a few years ago. This was a complex case with all kinds of technical aspects, and one of the things our attorney did was take us through all the technical stuff in a deposition. He then used the deposition as an exhibit he questioned us with. That way the technical testimony ended up in front of the jury. He got us a multi-million dollar award. Later when they questioned the jury, almost to a person they said that they relied on the deposition to settle arguments about the technical aspects.

  272. Can you use ‘assume’ 10 times in one question? Apparently so… OVERRULED!
    His use of hypotheticals is maddening!
    The overwheming use of the words assume and hypothetical is mindblowing. I guess that is his method. If you can’t dazzle the with brilliance, baffle ’em with bullshit.

  273. I don’t know how this jury is going to recall the actual testimony with JM actual testifying to his fictional case.

    • That’s what he is trying to do. Confuse the jurors since he cannot confuse the witness.
      But JW will fix it up recapping her true testimony in perspective.

      • This is going to end up in either a hung jury or a mistrial reversal should it go to appeal. No doubt about it. This judge should be taken off the bench.

        • It’s almost like she is trying to get that done and wash her hands of the whole thing.

  274. PLEASE ALYCE BECOME A HOSTILE WITNESS AND QUIT ANSWERING THIS BULLSHIT HYPOTHETICALS

    • I wish she would; I know I would. And I wouldn’t care about being held in contempt. Perhaps it would end much quicker for her (and us, and the jury).

    • How can she when the judge overrules everything.
      AL is calling his bullshit all the time. It is exhausting, but she does. The jurors seeing her exhausted by his crack head hypotheticals are sharing her feelings. Only brash abusers in the jury would cheer him.

  276. I can’t handle this trial today. My day is over at work…I’m going home to watch Caillou haha

  278. I’ve noticed that hot heads like JM (and TA) hate it when they don’t get an extreme reaction out of people. It doesn’t matter if it”s really negative or really positive they just want to evoke an extreme reaction to prove to themselves that they are the puppet -masters pulling our strings. Narcissistic Personality Disorder. My father and my now ex-husband were prime examples of this. They have no boundaries and think that the rules don’t apply to them. They must be the center of attention at all times.

  279. Oh man, I feel defeated. Alyce must feel battered, I see it in her. And it makes my heart hurt.

    What a soulless prosecutor.

    What a dirty, dirty, man.

  280. Hello everyone! I have been following this site as well as the trial very closely (Live feed NOT HLN, I can’t stand the circus that they have turned this into). I just wanted to say how happy I am to have found this site! You all are a breath of fresh air and are very compassionate people who like myself view the facts of this case and support Jodi and her Attorney’s. I think the Prosecution has been grasping at straws since the very beginning and the Judge has lost complete control over her Courtroom! The Defense is doing very well in my opinion! Glad to be a part of such a wonderful group of people who view things as I do! 🙂

  281. this law of attraction is just one thing

    her life’s patterns predated all this, and were most likely subordinate

    also she said writing such in a diary would concretize a negative emotion making it less amenable to ameliorate

    jm slyly switches from hypotheticals to non hypotheticals

    and cuts off her replies

    • how many assumptions are in dickheads hypothetcal

      ask him to restate his question with all the hypotheticals

    • CORRECTION

      above i wrote:
      “this law of attraction is just one thing
      her life’s patterns predated all this, and were most likely subordinate”

      WRONG WAY ROUND
      i meant ie it should read:

      the “law of attraction” is obviously subordinate to, and subsumed by, the entire panoply of evolving habits created over her life.

  282. A paid professional expert’s notes should never have to be entered as evidence and used against them.

  284. So confused! Is JM asking ALB about fairy tales again? How can a prosecutors ask a hypothetical question? He is attempting to make it seem that there is evidence to his “Hypothetical” questions. Can he really be allowed to do this? Really, I want to know. Are there rules for this?

  288. i just had a thought. If we tied JM hands behind his back maybe he would trip trying to use them when he talked.

  289. This little man represents all the men in the world who have ever abused a woman.

  290. New WAT tweet-

    WildAboutTrial‏@WildAboutTrial1m
    Juan shows Alyce a different version of the continuum. #JodiArias

    4:29 PM – 9 Apr 13 · Details
    mountaingyrl99‏@mountaingyrl9924s
    @WildAboutTrial He is getting quite annoying now

  291. Okay that’s fine it’s incomplete, but I move for it admission.

    This is absolutely a slap in the face to our justice system. I thought Texas and Florida were bad. AZ should just skip the trial, don’t pass go, and go to jail.

    This specific judicial process is liken to communism.

    • Calling someone TWO TIMES after breaking up with them is not stalking. That’s the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard of.

      Yeah, and how about Travis sending Jodi ALL THOSE messages of abuse? 16 pages worth? Right, that’s not stalking? That’s not trying to instill fear and control over Jodi?

      Wow does Martinez have this all backwards.

      • Yeah, Right!? “Travis sending Jodi ALL THOSE messages of abuse? 16 pages worth? Right, that’s not stalking? That’s not trying to instill fear and control over Jodi?” I hope that defense has it in them to go back and ask ALV these exact questions! PLEASE! (really, I mean, please someone send defense an email. lol)

  298. Tonight on HLN after dark is Jodi’s orgasm real or fake? Tomorrow on HLN after dark was Travis’s orgasm real or fake? Thursday on HLN after dark does Juan need an orgasm?

  299. a hypothetical is not the same as reality

    jm is dishonestly merging them
    this is a pattern or now ingrained habit of his
    used this crooked argument method very frequently

    pickles has lost it completely

    • He’s a crooked lawyer who completely turns the facts upset down.

      A prosecutor is supposed to get at the truth, not try and create an alternate reality.

      All of this showboating illustrates just how weak a case he has for first-degree, premeditated murder.

    • Maybe JW will come back and ask LV ; so if someone is attempting to confuse your perception of reality with hypotheticals… would that be considered manipulation? Or a pattern of someone who is manipulative?

  301. Did you see Jodi touching her nose,showing sth To Jennifer and then smiling broadly?How cute was that?oh…it feels so good to see her smile,this almost never happens!

    • also did you notice jodi look at camera and sew it was still on them and tell Jennifer, they both smiled and move out of camera shot

      • yeah!and when she touched her nose I think she mouthed”I know,It’s strange” LOL,I sooo would like to know what they were talking about.jennifer is so good to her,god bless her heart for being there for Jodi!

      • I actually thought it was very weird how the camera followed JA and JW for so long. I would say camera person’s getting $ from HLN so they have more to bash defense with. “Look at them! Laughing and smiling like this is all a game!” Seriously, I believe they (hln) would do that.

    • Jodi feels very comfortable with Jennifer. It reminds me of Casey and Dorothy Clay Sims.

  302. He is un-watchable. I have to get my updates here! I had my TV paused so I could swiftly get by the ugly parts but I lost the remote and it came unpaused so I had to manually shut TV off! I hope by telekinesis I somehow rammed the remote up JM’s ass!!!! His voice causes me homicidal thoughts!

    • I got to the point where I had to tune him out. He is absolutely awful and a disgrace to the legal profession.

    • ” hope by telekinesis I somehow rammed the remote up JM’s ass!!!! ”

      LOLOL

      He does seem fixated on anal sex…he might like that and you never want your remote back!

  303. Okay, my fellow Jodi supporters and friends, I feel emotionally and verbally battered, so I shall go finish getting my drunk on and watch some mindless TV like the Voice or Hell’s Kitchen and try to forget this little freaky man. I shall see you all on the flip side.

    Carry on peeps!

  304. I’ve notice the last few days Jodi writing more or perhaps drawing using her eraser a lot. I think it’s a diss connect

    • i dont think she’s drawing coz I’ve been watching her hands’ movements and they’re not continuous,you know the way they would if she were drawing.She makes more sharp movements,holding her hand a tiny bit up,the way we do when we write.

      • One day she kept glancing back & forth at the jury & writing or drawing thought perhaps she was drawing the jury

  309. To sum up today…IT WAS ALL HYPOTHETICAL, hypothetically speaking. WHAT A WASTE OF TIME!

    • There’s another word totally ruined for me.Damn you,Kermit!
      The other day I was talking to one of my students and couldnt get her to answer my question,so I tried to help her by giving her some hints and then I added Right?And bam,it hit me!Oh no I’ve become Martinez!!!!! hahaaha!

  311. The defense should file another motion for a mistrial stating judiciary incompetence. Can they do that?

      • Right. I misspoke. Oh my, I must be incompetent. Just kidding. Trying to sound like the a- hole. Judicial malfeasance or error.

    • Don’t get down. This isn’t as bad as it seams. Juror know each side has it own side if the story. I sure got a better picture of Jodi’s story during AL testimony than I got with his JM side. Having 2 experts accuse of liking you that has over 30 years of experience can’t be all bad.

    • Don’t be, Ashley. Your gravatar will handle it. ….eventually…. when his rantings stop.

  313. She sounds more tired than she did a little while ago…

    I just realized the tactics that JM must have used for winning some of his previous cases…

    Tactics: Wear the witnesses out mentally so all they have left is a foggy memory…

    • She both sounds and looks exhausted.Even her voice level is soft and hard to listen to her answers sometimes.As if she has retreated up to a point-she’s smarter than him.She knows this is ano-win situation.Whatever she says,it’s not good enough for him.He will push and push until he gets what he needs to hear and when he doesnt he just says”Next question”.And frankly,she did seem surprised when presented with all this new evidence.

      • Agree, she kept mentioning that she was given limited info for this case. I wonder if she’s a little pissed/frustrated with the DT for not preparing her better.

  314. From The Arizona Rules of Evidence

    Rule 611. Mode and Order of Interrogation and Presentation

    (a) Control by Court; Time Limitations. The court shall exercise reasonable
    control over the mode and order of interrogating witnesses and presenting evidence
    so as to (1) make the interrogation and presentation effective for the
    ascertainment of the truth, (2) avoid needless consumption of time, and (3)
    protect witnesses from harassment or undue embarrassment.

    Maybe someone needs to show this to the Judge.

    • Another motion for Nurmi to file. Its ridiculous, doea she even REALLY know what shes doing up there? !

    • I read last week on one of those hater sites that the judge and Jm go way back…and they are friends…so maybe that is why she favors him on some things and overrules so much…

  316. I still cant blv the judge let him bring in yhe subject about jodis dad and the klip of her being a lier!!! BS!

  317. Wait, has anyone used “shoddy” yet?

    Martinez seems to think it applies to everyone but himself. He should be looking at his own damn case.

    • Eddie Snell is the closest thing anybody ever saw to who the REAL Travis Alexander was.

      • Especially that remark about beating up women. I couldn’t believe I heard that. Even though he claimed “not really” or words to that effect in the one presentation, it was still shocking as hell.

      • I agree with that. The high leg kicking an the egotistical speaking did it for me. I don’t care if
        it was for Sales it showed he had a side that was less than attractive.

        An to say he was Eddie Snell from Alabama bothered me also. Really? because Alabama
        men look like that? I have not met one. An he did not have the correct accent either y’all !

        Let’s face it Travis was all about a Big Show so was his private life it is plain to see if you
        just dig a little bit. Or simply read his My Space page thoroughly.

  319. Based on everything I’ve read here, I don’t think I’ll subject myself to watching the trial today. It sounds like JM is on a mission to wear AL out and I just can’t handle it. =(

    I will say this: I’m not old enough to be Jodi’s mom, but I swear, every time I see her sweet face on TV, it brings out in me every maternal instinct I possess! If she had been my daughter, I would have been so proud to have such a wonderful artistic gentle soul to call my own. I would have nurtured her creativity and encouraged her curiosity. I would have done everything in my power to help her with whatever she needed. I don’t want to sound judgmental, but her mom and her dad, did not do Jodi any favors with those interviews. WTF!? As a mom, I would not have said a FUCKING thing…Nothing, NADA! Even if they would have threatened me with jail or whatever.

    I feel so sad for Jodi sometimes. I think the idiots who hate her, hate her because she is lovely and intelligent and smart and talented and of course, a girly girl…just like she should be. It’s no crime to want to look your best in any situation. That does not make her shallow. Her writing speak for themselves. Hell, even her name is sweet! I think that’s the reason why that fucktard Martinez refuses to say it out loud.

    /end rant

    I feel so much better for having said that. =)

    • Sil,
      I completely agree with you.
      I’m actually 2 years younger than Jodi and still she brings out all kinds of protective emotions,like I want to defend her and shield her from all evil out there.I could see it in her aura right away,she’s a kind-hearted person,too kind-hearted I would venture to say that’s why she went through all this trouble,she was too ready to love unconditionally(as she says),too gullible to believe the world is a loving innocent place,she was a special child not given the attention,support,love and proper upbringing she deserved.And look where it all led…

      • I know, it’s so tragic. I will be so happy when she gets acquitted.

        Martinez is so obtuse. If I was a juror, I would want to hear the expert witness’ testimony in its entirety. How else, as a juror, would I benefit from their knowledge! I would be highly suspicious of the Prosecutor for trying to limit the responses to simply yes or no answers. If there’s nothing to hide, then let the expert answer completely.

        • I think only dense people dont realize that he’s trying too hard,yelling too much to make up for the fact that he hasnt proven anything so far!!! I hope such dense people are not among the jurors.

  322. The legs that this trial stands on gets weaker everyday. And the weight for the burden of proof for martinez gets heavier each passing day. I just don’t see proof for the prosecution.

    • What I mean is martinez is being crushed because he is shouldering the burden and there is no proof. And it’s been showing this whole trial.

      • Martinez has the duty and burden to prove premeditation yet all he has given the jury so far is twisting words,yelling,badgering/intimidating the witnesses,Fairytales,hypothesis and assumptions.Oh yes,not to forget throwing evidence on the floor,displaying oh so proudly autopsy pictures for a greater emotional effect on the witness(what a good actor he is!),posing for photos and signing autographs…Yeah,I think that sounds about right!

    • Edward,

      You just put your finger on the nub of the matter.

      The defense really doesn’t have to prove anything. They have raised a defense based on a claim of self defense. The judge has allowed it to be presented. Pursuant to rule 15.2 of the AZ rules of evidence this had to be disclosed to the State a long time ago.

      http://www.arizonacrimelaws.com/15_2.htm

      Given that situation the state now has to not only first prove that there was no self defense here but then also prove premeditation, etc for M1 and whatever else goes with the other lesser homicide charges.

      The defense needed to do two things. Create a proforma evidentiary basis for self defense and, though not required by law, some possible reason for her being able to pull this off and the denial, lies, etc following the killing. I believe the defense has done what they needed to do. The first day of Dr Samuels’ testimony is all that counts with regards to the memory loss, apparent display of strength, relatively short time span and denial, etc. I think all the emails presented by ALV show the true nature of this relationship.

      Now its up to the State to prove all of their claims, and all the rest of it doesn’t really matter.

  323. We the people of Jodi Arias is innocent have already made a difference. Kindness and positivity will always negate close-mindedness and hateful people who make decisions before the facts have been presented.

    • HA I’m a girl. And I would be friends with jodi in real life. Oh, and I am not physically attracted to her or interested in her in a sexual manner.

      There, now that we got that out of the way.

    • The examiner is rag who is most likely pissed that we have turned down interviews. We don’t feed ignorance here.

      • Yeah, the Examiner is about as credible as toilet paper. I’m a writer and I HATE that site. They let anyone and everyone spew nonsense.

    • Oh that writer is a dumb bitch , that’s all. I just read the article. She is the one who isn’t intelligent. LOLOL It looks like she was basing it on twitter,

      LOLOLOLOLOL

    • I wonder how they came to the conclusion about the ratio of males:females. I tend to see a lot of females post here!

    • Needless to say,I’m a girl.I have a third degree level education(I’m a professor)and I’m not attracted to Jodi.Happy now,haters?

    • Wow that old same conclusion that we are all men that are uneducated and are just supporting her because she is a babe. Well I am a accountant that is happily married to my husband I am not at all attracted to Jodi. I am here because justice has gone completely out of the window in this case and Jodi is not getting a fair trial. I believe she was very much an abused women who had no choice but to defend herself. The media is not reporting the facts of this case so I come here to support Jodi and talk to intelligent people about this case.

      • lol! I posted my feelings about Jodi, prior to you posting that link. hehee…

        I certainly love Jodi, in a definitely non-sexual way! That goes to show the ignorance and narrow-minded thinking of these haters. :/

      • I agree, it really seems to me that the writer of that article isn’t all that bright. I also find that people who hate Jodi tend to not be very thoughtful, whereas the people I see on this sight are more insightful, kind, and logical. But I suppose anybody who is accused of not being intelligent would say that the accuser is the one who lacks intelligence. But seriously, is she not dense, that writer? I didn’t know that about the examiner. I’ll steer clear of it going forward. =)

        And the gas cans….that desert is dangerous and you don’t want to be stranded out there for sure. And if that isn’t reason enough, it’s a good idea to save a few bucks at a cheaper gas station, that’s just savvy. Either way, it does not prove premeditation, because people do things that don’t make sense sometimes. We’re not always logical as human beings, we just do what makes sense to us. I wouldn’t think ahead the way that Jodi did with the gas cans, but that’s just me. I’m not very organized. I really think this should be a no-brainer for the jury-NOT GUILTY. The burden of proof is the state has to prove premeditation, I don’t think that’s possible. But having the trial in that jurisdiction, densely populated with Mormons, and the court of public opinion, on top of that the charisma of a Johnny Cochran wannabe celebrity attorney, and I’m a little bit scared.

        • The number of Mormons on the jury would GREATLY concern me. I don’t know if it is known how many of them are Mormons.

          Too many of them possess black and white thinking.

    • Oh excuse my Egyptian, but fuck that! I’ve checked out some hater comments here and there. It’s rare that I see someone who is even remotely intelligent. They can’t spell. Their grammar sucks. And they can’t string together an intelligent argument to save their lives. In fact, sometimes, I have to sit there scratching my head to even attempt to understand what they meant. I didn’t even bother trying to debate with them about this because it would be a complete and utter waste of my time and energy.

      Are there a few people who have come around here with less than perfect spelling and grammar? Sure and I make typos myself. Mostly though, the people who come here and make typo/grammatical errors are on mobile devices on which it’s difficult to type perfectly. Yet, even in the middle of a slew of typos, I understand the point being made and can both comprehend and respond accordingly. Try doing that on the “other” sites. Good luck.

      Sure, there are people here who don’t grasp all finger points of the law. Heck, even a lawyer struggles to understand the specific laws of another jurisdiction. But people here aren’t afraid to ask and they’re not afraid to look up the law. And let’s face it, the law was never meant to be understandable to the average person in the first place — not unlike medicine. Why do you think so much of it is in Latin?

      And sure, there are some “far out” theories presented here from time to time. But at least they’re intelligently stated, comprehensible, and generally well thought out. And let’s face it, anyone who is or has known a domestic violence victim knows that our stories are ALWAYS incredibly far fetched. Our abusers go out of their way to make our stories unbelievable. At least, people here aren’t simply saying “She’s a whore because she liked anal sex” and “He’s a red blooded man and she was throwing her nasty stuff at him.”

      • “Finger” = “finer” above in the third paragraph — there you go, hahaha. My typo of the evening. I’ll make many more, I’m sure.

      • You have no idea how far out AA. Theories that Jodi wrote all the emails and texts and that she planned the murder years before. Really insane out there stuff!

    • Al –
      You better speak up….the haters are now not giving you, The “Pakistani Guy” any credit for this entire site anymore…time to set them straight again.

    • I am female and after being incensed at the media abuse of a defendant started questioning the media status quo of her guilt, then after following her trial and the evidence came to the conclusion that she is innocent as charged and was a domestic abuse victim as well as a cult victim. It did not matter to me if she was male or female, pretty or ugly, intelligent or not, old or young. Then she gained my full respect and admiration for her strength, her resilience, her gentle heart, her resignation, her rebellion, her truthfulness, her talents, her personality and her beauty, inside and out. I’ve come to know her a little bit.
      She is still being trashed, abused, vilified every day. But she will win and be free.

      I find that both men and women who participate on this site (including the ‘Pakistani guy’) are all compassionate and intelligent human beings who want the truth, do not want to be told what the truth is without evidence, and are used to ponder, debate, argue, converse, inform, investigate and express their feelings without ever resorting to base hatred and sexual stereotypes like the pro-prosecution sites are.

      Thank you SJ and Team Jodi for making it possible.
      And Jodi IS adorable. All my love, Jodi, and best wishes.

    • All I got out of that article was “blah blah blah” haha.

      “My retort, “If she was so concerned with getting lost, why not kick in the extra fiver for a GPS?” – Does the writer of the article not realize that GPS systems are not always completely accurate? About a year ago, I was traveling, and I had my GPS with me. At one point, it told me to veer off to the right. There was nothing there except for a large field. That’s not the only instance I’ve had with my GPS either.

  325. Does the courts offer therapy for the jurors? I’m sure some of them will suffer PTSD or will need reunification therapy after the repeated psychological terror of Juan Martinez. I smell a law suit! Disgusting

      • Indeed! I need therapy after watching him.

        Well, actually, there’s this one attorney at work and for some reason, he reminds me ever so slightly of my ex, physically. It’s his mouth. And he’s the sort of guy who when he’s stressed can be short. Now, I’ve worked with attorneys that were MAJOR assholes and he’s very very very far from that and basically a really really nice person, but after dealing with my ex, I can’t seem to handle anyone stressed out at all. But, nonetheless, I was always a little bit intimidated by him. UNTIL I watch JM. All of a sudden, he doesn’t intimidate me AT ALL any more. He’s a sweet little pussy cat. Juan is a major fucking lunatic crazy guy. As my fiance said at dinner, imagine if you were HIS legal assistant?

        “Ma’am, get me that file.”

        “Did I ask you to get me all 3 of the files?”

        “I wasn’t asking for the whole file. Do you have a problem with your memory?”

        “Ma’am, I wasn’t asking you if you sometimes don’t remember things. I was asking you DO YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH YOUR MEMORY? Look it up in the dictionary and define it for me.”

        • We should all file a collective suit and request that JM receives mandatory anger management classes, a continuing education class on ethics, and a session with AL to help him with his abusive tendencies/behavior.

          Wouldn’t it be great if after the trial is over she walks over to him and hands him one of her business cards?

          • I so loooooooved her crack about if he was in one of her groups … hahaha I need to watch that again. I almost missed it.

    • It’s bothering me that I keep finding myself using JM’s language.

      Me: “Stephanie, do we have any more blueberries for my cereal tomorrow?”

      My wife: “Um, I think all we have left is Captain Crunch Jer.”

      Me: “Did I ask you if we had Captain Crunch?”

      Her: “No but you wouldn’t put blueberries in Captain Crunch and that’s all we have lef–.”

      Me: I understand that you’re saying we only have Captain Crunch, I am asking about blueberries. Do you remember me asking you if we had blueberries?

      This scenario never happened, nor the condescending tone, but I do kind of use his words. Though I try my best not to. GET OUT OF MY HEAD!

      • I do know what you mean about not getting his words out of my head. I was joking with my husband at dinner with something like you posted.

      • Jared Wolf, that is hilarious! I have really had to emotionally detach myself from all of his shenanigans. I tend to take on the emotions of other people and that is totally unhealthy for me. I am choosing to believe that justice will prevail and I believe in this case justice is on Jodi’s side.

      • If you tell you say, “Right?!” after each sentence, remind me to never be around you.

        😉

      • LOL Jared, very funny. Please go to the store and get blueberries (and unsweetened granola) for Stephanie and yourself immediately.

      • LOL!

        “Isn’t it true that the husband can put blueberries in his Captain Crunch?”

        “But that wouldn’t taste good.”

        “Did I ASK if you thought it would taste good? Ma’am, listen to the question: ISN’T IT TRUE that blueberries can be eaten in Captain Crunch?”

        “I suppose that blueberries can be eaten in Captain Crunch, but we don’t have blueberries.”

        “You’re being non-responsive. YES or NO?”

  326. Juan has no case if he’s going to stoop to low blows and obsessing about anal sex.

    He makes a mockery of justice, and the mindless morons are cheering him on.

  327. I browsed one of the hater sites and saw they were even linking to this page for the PDFs (of the plea bargain, etc). Whatever makes them feel better…

  328. Some one earlier asked me about the Tarot Cards and wanted to know about the camera and photos I asked the question travis was alive in the shower when a photo was taken how many photo was taken after that and the answere was 7 this is with my my cards but I got the same answer with this site
    http://www.psymon.com/tarot/coins-7.html

  329. I wonder what her father’s comment would be today about what he was really thinking when he made those statements a long time ago in that interview?

    If his comment today is positive for Jodi…then maybe he needs to make a current statement to the news reporter to clarify some of that stuff that he previously said…for all we know….the video could have been edited to make it sound worse than what it really was….

    • Detectives often lie to witnesses to get them to spill their guts. I’m sure the full version of that interview will show their deceptive tactics=(

  330. Has anyone else noticed this SITE is hopping way more than it was a few weeks ago! which means
    a lot of people are watching an joining in now. An it is not full of the negativity like the other side does
    on their pages for Travis. Which is full of true hatred an horrid things about Jodi an her family etc.

    We do some bashing but nothing compared to what they do on Jodi not even close. They even call
    the defense team some names which is why I have no problem expressing how I feel about JM an
    Flores or anyone sitting on that prosecutors side.

    I really think Alyce is way stronger then anyone gives her credit for an doing the best job she can.
    JM is very much understanding she is not giving up. An Yes OR No can’t be answered on every
    single question.

  331. Juan: “Buttholes, buttholes, lube, penis” (gesticulating wildly)

    Alyce: “I’m sorry sir I’m not following your question.”

    Juan: “ANAL SEX! IN BUTTHOLES!!!!”

  335. Who else here is like me, in that they want to raise theor right hand every time JM says, “Right?” Can he not understand that correct or incorrect would be a much clearer answer?

    “Judge, she’s being unresponsive.”

    “Sorry, I thought he was asking me to raise my right hand. I’m being perfectly responsive.”

  336. “I’m an expert in domestic violence, not orgasms.”

    Right Juan, remember when you told Dr Samuels he couldn’t define rape because he wasn’t an expert on law?

    Boooyaaaah

  338. Regarding the article Jared Wolf spoke of, I read it and it is not even worth talking about. It sounds like it was based on bullshit and written to get attention for it’s author.

    • Edward, that author apparently got the young girl fired from her job because of her tweet.

    • That wanna-be writer has no talent and is an insult to our profession. My cat could have written a more coherent and engaging piece.

  339. This is an email at my daughters university in Kentucky that is being sent out to all the students.

    Update about ‘TRIAL BY MEDIA IS WRONG! STOP THE SPIN!: Headline News (HLN) Nancy Grace, Jane Velez-Mitchell, Jean Casarez, Vinnie Politan, Dr. Drew!’ on Change.org

    Folks, the heat is on! HLN continues to stoop lower and lower to fan the flames of hatred! The message boards are full of the most venomous, vile, slander and threats I have ever read, fueled by once thought of as professional and intelligent journalists and lawyers and doctors!
    Please join me at “Inconvenient Truths” on facebook and share your thoughts.
    https://www.facebook.com/InconvenientTruthsTV?ref=hl
    It’s all about Jodi now, but soon I’m sure George Zimmerman will take their stage. Trial by media is simply wrong, folks.
    Please continue to get the word out and our petition signed!
    Thanks so very much for your thoughtful, intelligent, and insightful comments. So many times I read and think, “wow, I wish I had written that!”

  341. I wonder if Alyce doodled at all on that paper. Then Martinez will call in Julie Christopher, the HLN psychic reader to tell us what it all means.

    That’s about as intellectual as Martinez’s case is going to get.

  343. who killed travis alexander 3 of swords meaning
    Key Words: betrayal – heartbroken – disbelieving – abandonment – rejection

    You open the door to find your partner in the arms of someone else. You overhear your best friend laughing at you behind your back. You find out your business partner has been cheating you for years. All of a sudden your world is turned upside-down. You’re , and finally .

    The image on the 3 of Swords clearly describes this sudden pain. You literally feel as if someone has taken a sharp object and jabbed it through your heart. Even something as minor as a snippy remark can feel this way. Notice how this contains just a heart and three swords. When your heart is breaking, you feel as if that is all you are – an open wound.

  344. term is hebephilia – sometimes used to describe adult sexual attractions to adolescents or children who have reached puberty.

    From Maricopa County public records. Check it out yourself and tell me if you think Travis had financial problems. Travis purchased a home from KB homes in June, 2004 with 2 mortgages of $199, 934 and $49,900. After Travis’ death, his home was bought back by the bank for $286,216.94 February 5, 2009. His debt owed on his home at the time of the sale back to the bank was $359,373.65. Is money often a motive for murder?

    • oh yeah.

      In addition to money, think about brothers/fathers/exes of women that Travis was using….

      Think about how Travis was essentially shitting on the mormon faith by his behavior.

      • And because he had financial problems, I can certainly hypothesize that he would have been irate when Jodi dropped his very expensive camera which more than likely he couldn’t afford to begin with.

        Hey, JM brought up conjecture as a valid argument, did he not? Do you remember that?

        lol

    • Yes FUJuan,

      TA’s reference to her sounding like a 12 year old, she testified he didn’t like pubic hair, and his not having pubic hair.

    • Hasn’t it been suggested that Jodi was attracted to Travis in part because he was so financially successful? The fact that he was borrowing money from Jodi (on her waitress salary, I think) would debunk that myth.

      On another note, I am a 56 y/o woman and I believe she is innocent of murder in the first degree. I am torn about what I actually do believe happened, however.

      • According to the Hughes, the reason Travis had financial difficulty was because of Jodi. (I kid you not, I read this in an article)

      • The only thing about that it does not jive with me. If Jodi really was a gold digger looking
        for a man with some MONEY? she passed up Gus Searcy whether he is older or not
        that would have been the meal ticket right there? He has not been married that long
        either an married a PPL/Legal Shield person I do believe. It was on one video he
        has out of his life which is very interesting. He is very smart an a little eccentric.

  345. So another day of Alyce in Juanderland. One day we venture into the world of Snow White and now were are talking about hypotheticals.

  346. How Jodi is feeling 10 of Wands

    The Ten of Wands can also stand for times when you have to assume the lion’s share of responsibility. You may be blamed or left holding the bag. On the other hand, you may have to step forward and take charge because you are the only one capable enough. Rightly or wrongly, the cleanup will fall to you.

    The Ten of Wands indicates that your life is going to be tougher than usual for a time. You will have to fight uphill for every little gain. Each step will feel like a struggle. When you see this card, be kind to yourself. Lighten the load wherever you can, and let others help you. You don’t have to handle everything yourself.

  348. How is it that some are calling ALV”s behavior disrespectful but when Juan does this everyday to just about every witness he is deemed a rock star.

    • I fail to see how she was disrespectful. Who is going to sit there and be battered and abused, have their words twisted, and have him put words in their mouth?

      If you look at what abusers do to their victims, a lot of them apply to what JM is doing to Alyce. I feel so bad for her, and I am afraid if it was me, I’d have my doctor admit me to hospital for stress and bed rest.

      The court has a duty to ensure witnesses are protected, well who would think they’d need protection from the damn prosecutor! Sheesh

    • I agree I do not think she was disrespectful. She just was not going to buy what Juan was selling. The Judge has no control in this courtroom.

  349. Well my husband and I have very different beliefs as far as Jodi’s trial. I don’t believe it was pre meditated and he does. But let’s be fair about something he doesn’t watch the trial the way I do, he doesn’t have all the smart people that I do from here to listen to and gain knowledge from. Well anyhow I MANIPULATED him to watch more of the trial than is usual for him . At this point it didnt magically change his opinion nor did I expect it to but, he did say Juan Martinez is a wounded man and if he was on that jury that JM would completely turn him off. So Mr. Magic man is possibly making his jury sick! Yes, if anything at all save her from the death penalty and murder one. And then she will always have the appeal we know she deserves!

    • My husband is the same. Except he refuses to watch even one second of it and wishes it were over yesterday. 🙁

    • If you want my honest opinion, anyone who doesn’t fully watch the trial cannot make an accurate assessment of Jodi’s guilt or innocence. My mom thinks she is guilty of 1st degree murder too, but she doesn’t watch the full live stream like I do. She only catches clips of it on HLN. Oh, and get this. I saw on a haters page yesterday where someone posted that they never saw any of the trial but that they believe Jodi is guilty. I couldn’t take them seriously.

  350. Bleh. Posted this in yesterdays court sessions on accident.

    Sent that … person… A letter, the one who wrote that article, Jodi Arias Has Admirers — Who & Why.

    Also sent her a couple’a nasty tweets.

    To : kinsey@kinseyschofield.com;

    There’s really no point in me writing this letter, as you’ve been on Fox News. That tells me everything I already need to know about you.

    However, there’s one point in your contentious screed of an article I have to contend with.

    As you state in your “article”, I love to laugh at someone when they deserve to be laughed at, “They’re also ego maniacs that refuse to believe that such a small and frail woman is capable of such evil.” Okay, egomaniacs I’ll go along with. We all think of each other in such superfluous terms every day. But it’s really the last part of that sentence, by the way, I must commend you on your spelling and grammar, that really gets to me. I know an editor helped, but man, I didn’t think that drooling on a page could get an editor anywhere. Then again, look at Fox News. Anyway, I digress. “…small and frail woman is capable of such evil.” Umm, what? Were you even alive during Lorena Bobbit’s extraction or her tossing it out a window of a car of her husband’s penis? Didn’t you see The Burning Bed? I realize that a woman is capable of extreme acts of violence, hatred, and evil.

    It’s the weight that I concerned with. 200 lbs guy vs. 115 lbs woman = guy wins every time. It would only make a difference if she had a gun. And if she did have a gun, then why didn’t she just kill him to begin with?

    So, please drop the attitude. Of course, I know you won’t. It’s either that or GDIAF. (That means, Go Die In A Fire).

    Chris

    I suggest y’all do the same. I bet she’s not gonna be the “I.T. Girl” for long.

    • It is a good read!!!! I like reading Maggies stuff, thank you, BeeCee. Whatever happened to her, I haven’t seen her posts and I miss them!!! And by the way, I LOVED that video! !! Lol

        • I think she questioned something about where the donations from this site are going. It did not sit well with SJ, understandably.

  353. I glanced at a hater comment and read it out loud to my fiance. Here’s the comment:

    “I can’t speak for the other Juan fans, but for me, what is SO super attractive about him is not his looks (he is short and average looking), what draws me to him is his huge, razor sharp, amazingly sexy brain.”

    My fiance: “Live with him for a month and you’ll seriously say I NEVER want to hear from this guy EVER again in any lifetime.”

      • He’s incredibly sexy BeeCee and very sharp witted. My friend says he looks a lot like JFK Jr. That’s a FAR cry from JM. Oh, and he’s also a LOT taller.

        Then again, that wouldn’t be hard. Even JW is taller than JM. He really missed his calling as a jockey.

  354. Hypothetically speaking, what if JM took on a case mainly based on hearsay, innuendo and assumption and this, coupled with his Napoleon complex and his barely concealed hatred of women, and a judge who gives him complete legal power to abuse anyone who he feels is smarter than he and that would be most all, including any worm under any rock, and he feels deep down he is losing this case so therefore his slide into complete and utter insanity would not be too inconceivable.

  355. Your Question: who killed travis alexander

    Intruder – A part of yourself you do not recognize but are becoming aware. Thought that seems to intrude into your conscious awareness but of which you do not seem to be the originator. Potential misperception about un-remembered or unfamiliar parts of yourself. Unwelcome experience. Fear. Repressed memories. If an unfamiliar part of you were to try and make their presence and perspective known to you, would they be perceived as an intruder? Do you ever experience dreams in which you are faced with an intruder?

    • Wow Tonya, thank you so much for verifying what some of us have been thinking for a while now.

    • she is in the fog now she see the light when chris and sky took the stand she remembered

  356. http://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/fre/rule_611

    RULE 611. MODE AND ORDER OF EXAMINING WITNESSES AND PRESENTING EVIDENCE
    (a) Control by the Court; Purposes. The court should exercise reasonable control over the mode and order of examining witnesses and presenting evidence so as to:
    (1) make those procedures effective for determining the truth;
    (2) avoid wasting time; and
    (3) protect witnesses from harassment or undue embarrassment.

    (b) Scope of Cross-Examination. Cross-examination should not go beyond the subject matter of the direct examination and matters affecting the witness’s credibility. The court may allow inquiry into additional matters as if on direct examination.
    (c) Leading Questions. Leading questions should not be used on direct examination except as necessary to develop the witness’s testimony. Ordinarily, the court should allow leading questions:

    • Those are the federal rules Oliveiro. AZ has slightly different rules where the scope of cross can be on anything relevant to the case. States only BASE their rules on federal rules. They are not required to use the exact same rules.

      http://www.arizonacrimelaws.com/e611.htm

      (a) Control by Court; Time Limitations. The court shall exercise reasonable control over the mode and order of interrogating witnesses and presenting evidence so as to (1) make the interrogation and presentation effective for the ascertainment of the truth, (2) avoid needless consumption of time, and (3)
      protect witnesses from harassment or undue embarrassment. The court may impose reasonable time limits on the trial proceedings or portions thereof.
      (b) Scope of cross-examination. A witness may be cross-examined on any relevant matter.
      (c) Leading questions. Leading questions should not be used on the direct examination of a witness except as may be necessary to develop the witness’ testimony. Ordinarily, leading questions should be permitted on cross-examination. A party may interrogate an unwilling, hostile or biased witness by leading questions. A party may call an adverse party or an officer, director, or managing agent of a public or private corporation or of a partnership or association which is an adverse party or a witness whose interests are identified with an adverse party and interrogate that person by leading questions. The witness thus called may be interrogated by leading questions on behalf of the adverse party also.

    • It’s absolutely amazing what this prosecutor is getting away with and with how little respect and such underhanded and accusatory antics he is treating expert witnesses with. AL and Dr. Samuels did not deserve to be treated like criminals and have their words manipulated as they have been.

      Imagine what chaos there would be in the courtroom if more prosecutors and defense lawyers, as well, started acting like JM and got away with it. For example, unless someone liked being treated like a criminal, it seems that there would be a rather challenging time getting witnesses. Trials might also go on for months and years, and getting to the truth as well as the provision of a fair trial would become a fantasy, giving way to the goal of winning a case at any cost.

      I do believe that aggressive behavior can reap short-term rewards but lose in the long run. I also believe that what goes around comes around. JM will have to answer for what he is doing and justice will ultimately catch up to him to answer for the wrongs he is doing in its’ name.

  357. That is enough card reading for the night my cat wants attention now 🙂

  358. My two cents for the day: Just finishing watching today’s testimony. Juan does nothing but confuse everyone with his circular senseless questioning. Jury must be mentally going to their “happy place” to survive this.

    • I couldn’t agree more, TR. Juan is the type of representative of the court that can make one lose respect for the justice system. I’ve never had anything against Arizona before, but I’m sure glad now that I don’t live there as a citizen or taxpayer.

    • He literally makes me dizzy. I have to limit listening to him because I get vertigo from it. He goes around and around and around just to confuse a witness in the hope the person will say something that will impeach him or her.

      • I hate repetition in conversation, as well as circles.
        I don’t see how these witnesses keep their cool, but I’m glad they do.

        Alyce is doing just lovely, even if her statements are admonished.
        Still worh it, right?

    • what about all those jurors questions that Jean Casarez told NG that she saw today….

      • I am sure it’s the same old, same old. JM is making them dizzy with his circular arguing and trying to limit her to “yes” or “no” answers.

        • I get an attack of stress induced munchies from listening to him…

          I need to chill out tomorrow before I end up with a fat ass by the end of this trial…LOL…

  359. This prosecutor has embarrassed the entire legal profession. This is what our so-called justice system has become? Winning at all costs, make a witness an enemy and vow to destroy them however you can with goofy stupid questions designed to wear them down and make them look stupid and incompetent however you can? The most vile and vicious and petty and mean display of behavior on display for any American to see.

    Decent minded people are going to get depressed. Nobody’s going to rush gleefully into the court system with high ideals after seeing this.

    The only good thing I can see out of this is, AL is showing legal watchers how NOT to answer YES OR NO questions. Nah, not going to do that, take your idiot yes or no question and try it on someone else you idiot.

    And by the way, someone mentioned JA parent interviews, why didn’t they refuse? I’m sure they’re regretting it now, and NO the police can’t threaten you with jail. They either have to charge you with a crime or let you go, I wish people knew their legal rights. Legal education is so lacking.

  360. Dr Drew: jodi tormented TA with the gun pointing at him in the shower!!!! REALLY???? These people really don’t think? ! What 200 lbs idiot is going to sit there and let a 140lbs woman torment him in a shower while taking pictures with the other hand WITHOUT charging at her in a split second?!!!!

    • A 200 lb man who had recently been working out and bragging about his 16 inch biceps, mind you.

      • Those biceps and those legs, both the work of somebody who was really into bodybuilding. Travis wasn’t somebody who was going to be pushed around.

        • Exactly and he sure wasn’t going to model while she was supposedly holding the camera with one hand and tormenting him with a gun eith the other!!

  361. Mr. Shitsky (I refuse to address him as “doctor”) is more than an asshole…he’s the whole ass….stupid people should STFU when they know NOT of what they speak…..LOL

    • “More than an asshole…he’s the whole ass.”

      That’s the funniest line I’ve heard all day.

      It describes Pinsky perfectly.

    • Lol so true!!!!! And the 18 year old girl student just doesnt buy into jodis abuse, she just doesnt!!! My, my, my, poor girl, talking without experience! Someone plz tell this girl to get out of her fair tail life.

  362. I really can’t stand him tonysam….he reminds me of the father from the old television show Dennis the Menace….such a dork….LOL

  363. Lets assume (lol) we all could get together and watch this trial. Imagine the language, the words, the laughs. All supporting Jodi together

    • OMG…we would need major amounts of liquor, Klonopin, Inderal, Xanax, coffee, tea, and we would need to hang about 40 punching bags in order to take out frustrations NOT on the computers, each other, the china, the furniture, the television (if on)….etc…….LOL LOL

    • Indeed! But just in the short time I’ve been around here, I see we all have distinctly different personalities, are from different walks of life, and are different ages and sex, etc, but we’re all brought together for a common cause, and that is our hope for Jodi’s exoneration. Group hug!!! 🙂

      • I don’t know what I would do without all of you on this site. I actually cried today after JM’s crazy performance. I feel sorry for Alyce L. and I’m feeling defeated and kind of abused!

        I remember the last time JM used a hypothetical situation, only with Jodi on the stand, and one of the juror questions was phrased as though Jodi actually testified to those things. I think the juror(s) maybe didn’t know what the word “hypothetical” means or they were just assuming that the prosecutor couldn’t say something that isn’t true. Or maybe there are people on the jury who are like typical HLN watchers. God help us. It’s very disheartening sometimes. I’m so tired of his tricks. Why doesn’t he just use the truth if he’s so right? He’s a LIAR and he’s supposed to be a prosecutor! It makes me very sad sometimes. And all the yelling is unbearable.

        So it really is great to have this site to come to. I love reading your takes on things. You’re all smart, interesting, kind, and hilariously funny sometimes. I get the feeling we’re from all over the world! I’m glad to be acquainted with all of you.

        • I feel the same way too!!!! I would feel lost or I would think I was the only person in the world thinking the way we do if it wasn’t for this site.

          Almost everything he said today was “hypothetical” and your right, it might be confusing some of the jurors to THINK what he is saying IS the truth. He KNOWS what he’s doing and he’s doing it for THAT purpose! !! I wondered what would happen if the witness refuses to answer ANY “HYPOTHETICAL” questions? ?? Are the allowed to refuse to answer? ?? I think if I was in that situation, I would and if I HAD to by law (answer), I’d simply say, “I DONT KNOW” and stick to that!!!! And the “judge shes being nonresponsive” he can shove that!!! He sounds like a little kid when he does that!!!

  364. The Eight of Swords can indicate that your interests will be opposed by other people, and this may create restrictions to what it is you want to achieve. Take back your power and realise that you have options whether others oppose you or not. You do not have to be constrained by their way of thinking or their rules.

  367. I think, hypothetically speaking, she planned this murder from birth or possibly before in the womb of her mother and as soon as she learned to write she started post-dating journals and searching for TA who invaded her subconscious in a Mormon dream sequence. Then, hypothetically speaking, of course, she arranged to meet him so she could be the recipient of his atrocious behavior just so she could go to his apt many miles away to torture him. I also think, hypothetically, she gave him a wedgie, slapped him around like a bitch, rubbed his noggin with her knuckles REALLY HARD and after she toyed with him for awhile grabbed the camera and ordered him to enter the shower where she finished him off. This makes as much sense as the prosecutor’s theory.

    • So, what you’re saying is that Scientology is correct, right?!

      Jeezus, shut up Dingo Martin

    • Her “evil eyes” were enough to manipulate everyone on the planet, but according to Chris Hughes, they shook him to his core, whatever that is. HE couldn’t be manipulated, only terrified for himself and his family.

      This despite the fact they loved Jodi according to the emails and warned her against seeing Travis.

    • “rubbed his noggin with her knuckles REALLY HARD and after she toyed with him for awhile” Gwen your post made my night!!! Thanks for the laugh 😀

    • Sorry I just have to say this again… Gwen, thank you for your post. I just read it to my entire family and we all laughed so hard we had tears. Literally, rotflmao

  368. Just a quick off subject note, we lost another teen to online bullying today. A young girl, 17 took her own life because of bullying on social media sites.

    I see the minions spewing their hate against everyone who dares to stand up for Jodi, expert witnesses included shows me where the youth are learning to bully.

    Very sad and this young girl’s family are in my thoughts and prayers.

    • I just sent another complaint email to HLN/CNN last night and told them they were such hypocrites for inciting hate with lies then sitting back and watching the masses turn into bullies; and then having the audacity to have a show about why kids bully! And now this. Assholes. I will never watch HLN trash television again.

      • I’m so mad at HLN that I made my husband change the channel when he was watching Wipeout on TruTV, because I don’t want that organization to get any ratings on any channel they own.

      • You said it, cindyp! I’m so sorry for that poor girl and her family. They’re such hypocrites on HLN and CNN.

  369. …and hypothetically speaking…she “cleaned up” the scene and left her palm print on the wall so that she could lie to Massengil’s boyfriend in the interrogation room….and hypothetically speaking she “manipulated” men from her grandfather to her father to every male born and living in Arizona, California, and any male that EVER walked into any restaurant she was an employee of….JUST so Massengil and the traviban 15 minute of fame whores/pimps whatever would have something to bitch about JUST so SHE was the topic of conversation…..hypothetically speaking of course….(LOL LOL)

    • This sounds crazy, I know, but I didn’t know what Massengil was. I knew who you were referring to with that flattering term, but I had to look up the name on Google.

      It figures.

      I never resorted to those things and hit menopause several years back.

      • I never resorted to those things either tonysam…LOL LOL LOL But I can clearly remember the box….LOL LOL I call him that because he is such a douchebag….

    • Roaring laughter erupting from my living room, Janeen, at the Massengil reference. You and so many others on here are so witty! Maybe if you’re not already, you should audition to be comedians! Thank you all so much, guys and gals, for offering levity in my days. I really appreciate it!!!

  370. the stupid little leprechaun should wear his tights a little looser maybe he won’t be so damn angry…..

  371. I feel very bad about this trial today. Usually I am pretty good about using meditation, mindfulness & the serenity prayer to be interested in the right thing happening in an important situation like this that I have no control over, but still be able to not let it get to me too much until the jury’s decision is in. That way I don’t spend too much energy feeling miserable about it, when maybe it will turn out fine. Also, if it turns out badly, then that is the time to deal with the injustice/disappointment, instead of feeling so burned out at that point that I can only take care of myself. But this is getting to me, there are so many things wrong with this trial, such a feeling that ‘might’ has gotten the upper hand no matter how injust it is. I am very worried about the slippery slope the U.S. is on, letting injustice prevail, innocent people be convicted, the vulnerable being held responsible if they attempt to stand up for their rights or protect their own lives, overcharging someone to gain notoriety, the loss of public civility, & of course the wretchedly biased media.

    • This travesty is a lot bigger than Jodi Arias. There is a real sickness in this country.

    • seek2understand, I get like that too. Then I think of everyone here and I have hope. And I also keep the faith that through all this – people will start to see how deep the sickness in this country runs and maybe, just maybe things will start to change, ever so slowly.

      I see, for the first time ever, hints of sex addiction and sex abuse being publicly talked about. People are saying horrible things about Jodi because victims of this kind of abuse are always blamed. My abuser spent years setting up his/our family/friends to make me look horrible so when the truth came out – I was blamed by my family and friends. He could do no wrong; he was good and pure, etc. I have also read from others how this story sounds similar to their own; we are realizing we are not alone. The nature of abuse may be different in many cases, but we are not alone.

      Now this type of behavior is in a national spot light. In my case, others came around slowly as I refused to have anything to do with them and decided to live my life the best way I knew how. Eventually apologies came from those who hated me. I’m hoping the same will now happen on a national level. At the same time, I hope that the in-justice system is finally exposed for the sham that it can be so things will be forced to change.

      Just keep the faith and keep praying for the good. It is always darkest before the light.

      • cindyp
        You have just answered my earlier question at least in part as to why I believe ALV decided to take this case for people such as yourself AND Jodi

    • I was feeling the same way earlier. But I truly believe that we’re not alone here. I know that there are many other individuals out there who can help Jodi out when the time is right. I think they’re just waiting for this travesty to unfold before they take action.

      Because I refuse to believe that if Jodi gets convicted, no one in their right minds who watched the same things we did on television or read the things we’ve read online and other places, would not agree with us that this whole trial has been a sham and she was railroaded from the get go. I refuse to believe that no one will come to her defense. JW and Nurmi are doing an excellent job in spite of this horrible prosecutor and that lets me know that this fight is far from over.

      Sanity has to persevere. But we need to help make that happen. We need to plan ahead and see what kind of awesome online party we’re going to have for Jodi!

      ((Hugs))

  372. A man that rapes his girlfriend or wife, respects no boundaries regarding a women’s virtue, and lacks self respect. A man that threatens suicide for sex, in an effort to con a woman to rush over to his house, has no limits. A single man that begs a married woman from church to come over, most likely has nefarious intentions. So a thought occurred, which led to a quick peep at the Mesa, AZ Crime Stats. and something that occurred in 2008, reduced the amount of Rape in that city. Any ideas why the reduction?
    Forcible Rape -Mesa, AZ
    2003 – 116
    2004 – 124
    2005 – 194**
    2006 – 203***
    2007 – 175***
    2008 – 161**
    2009 – 123
    2010 – 124
    2011 – 131

  373. If anyone missed today, you simply have to watch this at 35:53 minutes in:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gt8SepGoED8

    Alyce schools him: “If you were in my group, I would ask you to take a time out, Mr. Martinez.”

    Nurmi’s face is PRICELESS. He is trying soooo hard not to giggle out loud.

    • I loved it when she said that, but it didn’t have any effect on him at all. I just read that examiner article. So who did she talk to here that gave her the idea that we’re 70% men or teenage girls and none of us have any education? I’ve haven’t seen the pakistani guy say he wanted to shower with JA, but then maybe I should have read between the lines. And we are not uneducated, the people here have a nice range of education and I have been able to learn from the posts on here and see things from a different perspective. I wouldn’t have stayed here or even posted if all this site had to offer was the gutter trash which is very prevelant elsewhere.

    • Lol I loved that!!!! You know Martinez was so pissed!!! Haahaaa but the judge didn’t like it either!!

    • AA,

      Totally priceless moment today!

      The answer to your question yesterday about the MCMI test: It is only suppose to be used in a clincial setting with a patient that are are defined as psychological/psychiatric. Administering this test topeople
      without clinical symptoms is inappropriate and will result in inaccurate descriptions of their
      functioning. Because this test is focused on personality disorders and clinical symptoms, the
      report is necessarily focused on these problematic behaviors, and cannot describe a person’s
      strengths and competencies.

      this report should be viewed as only one source of hypotheses about the individual being evaluated. No decisions should be based solely on the information contained in this report.

    • I tried putting myself in AL’s place and it really bothers me when the judge admonishes AL for JM. AL is clearly not only supposed to just take the accusatory tone of JM in public without being able to really defend herself or clarify, especially with the yes/no repeated line of questioning, but JM has the judge’s support time and time again.

      How is it that a prosecutor is allowed to be as disrespectful and demeaning as JM, continuing to look for wrongdoing, manipulating words, raising his voice, and even cutting off the witness so she can’t finish sentences AND call in the judge for support when he wants it. Why does this court allow the prosecutor to do this to someone not even on trial who is trying to be cooperative and as truthful as possible? Does a professional’s, as well as a citizen’s right to be treated respectfully and fairly, END when he or she takes the stand in a courtroom?

      Apparently it does, for certainty, in this courtroom where witnesses have little to no rights to be treated decently, if they are not in JM’s corner. So much for a truly fair trial for the accused.

      • The judge has no business presiding over this trial, because she is so clearly intimidated by the little bully. It is outrageous how she usually and most times, wrongly, upholds his objections, or shuts down the defense objections. My stomach turns just thinking about it. Been complaining on this forum about her for weeks…she seems to be getting weaker and weaker as the trial goes on. I believe the defense should be objecting way more to his badgering witnesses, as well as “asked and answered”, etc.
        He constantly objects on multiple grounds…give him his own annoying medicine.
        Just frustrating all around. Aarrggghhh…

  374. This has gotten totally absurd. The hypotheticals? Come on, If the jury can’t see how ridiculous this totally inept little fool is, I will lose faith in the jury system. He is a joke of a prosecutor and a person. Isn’t this obvious to everyone?

  375. Okay, just seen on a hater site-we are now a paid pr firm for JA funded by none other than Jose Baez. Also we are targeting Katie Wick and going to do to her what was done to Juror 5. If I recall what happened to Juror 5 was because of her own behaviour. We did not hear the comments she made in front of the other jurors, only they did, so does this mean we even have spies in the jury? And isn’t Katie Wick the one who goes on national tv every night to talk about what the jurors are thinking? So this pakistani guy just keeps getting more and more interesting by the day, I love the way he can morph into a british man, then morph into Jose, and also can make up all of the posts, coming up with various life stories, act like a man who wants a shower with JA one minute, then like a teenage girl the next. And to think we’re the ones that are deranged.

    • Are you serious? We’re a paid pr firm?

      Well then, if that’s the case, where in the hell are my royalties? lol

    • Al!!! You had us completely fooled that you are a Pakistani dude, and then spouting off all your legal knowledge. How did we not know it was you ALL along, Jose?

      Awesome work on Casey’s case. Do you think you could give Nurmi & Wilmott a little coaching though?

      • That Al, he must be slick, probably from wanting to take a shower with JA. LOL. P.S. don’t forget this is all being done by the uneducated too.

        • He did that to make it appear as if there is more than one person here and to fool everyone into thinking we’re educated.
          Al if you read these, please know I’m just joking.

    • And write in tons of different voices simultaneously across about 10 time zones thousands of times each day. Wow.

      • Well, it’s probably Jose’s (I mean “Al’s” wink wink) family that write most of the posts for him. After all, that’s what PR is for, don’t you know?

        • I might as well come out and tell everyone that I’m Cheney Mason. And I don’t care what the haters say! *flips the bird*

    • And their “big news” next week will be how the moon is made of cheese, and how this site is collecting donations so the Astronaut Farmer can blast himself into space to be the first man to make pizza in zero gravity.

  376. A comment on HLN…

    “Hi, we’re back, this is great point to take a break.”

    “Welcome back to HLN. Let’s cut to a commercial.”

    “Hi. Thanks for watching, this is a perfect time to take a break.”

    “Hi again. We wanted to bring you at least thirty seconds of the trial before we cut to a commercial break. Wait,this just in, a record five minutes straight of commercials. Be right back.”

    “Welcome back, let’s get some riveting testimony. Watch how the next twenty seconds unfolds.”

    “That was really interesting, now for another 17 minutes of commercials and we will get you right back in. You don’t miss a minute because of this big pause graphic we created. Wait again for the play graphic and then wait until we find the perfect time for a break (most likely, anytime)”

  377. Did anyone see Dress show tonight? There was supposed to be some expert who knew Jodi and Travis, who said he could reconstruct murder. Who was it?

      • I saw it. I follow the case everyday and I think that the state has it wrong. I believe that the shot came first like the guess said. Now the question that many have is was it planned or not. I always felt that the blood on the sink look more like mist like someone coughing up blood.

        I believe that the defense needs to get evidence that TA had a 25 caliber gun. The reason I say this is because I don’t feel that the jury will believe that it was by coincidence that the same type of gun stolen form JA’s grandparents home a week before was also owned by TA.

  378. Question, Dan Freeman never testified that Travis told him that he did not Jodi right? I mean, I really don’t remember that testimony. So why is Martienz bringing it up as a hypothetical?

    • Yes, he testified…. what I recall was him talking about how long he knew TA and the trips they went on together.

      • FUJuan,

        I remember Dan Freeman testified about the trip that Travis, Des’ree, Jodi, and him all took and the backpack incident and the car incident.

        I do not remember Dan Freeman ever stating that Travis told him he wanted Jodi to move away. Did Dan Freeman testify to that? I just don’t understand why Martinez was allowed to bring up that hypothetical situation if Dan Freeman never testified Travis asked Jodi to move away.

        I feel like it’s a slick trick. The jury may not be able to remember Dan Freeman’s complete testimony, now they may get confused and think that Dan actually said that.

        • I’m not sure about AZ laws because they’re weird, but in IL, if the jury was confused about one part of a witness’ testimony, they could ask for that portion of the transcript to be read to them. We had that happen on a few occasions actually. I wish I knew if AZ is the same. I would think so though.

        • fuwan…. they came forward with that untruth story to take the attn off what they dont want to come out in this trial. they have words for MR dan hall the gun guy with all the guns the 4 wheeling buddies

        • That was a trick LET’S ASSUME ?? he kept emphasizing that an making it sound real? JM is a sneaky slimy snake of a Prosecutor. All that pretending crap was to confuse the Jury on the real facts. I hope they are not that dumb. I feel bad for Ms Alyce having to put up with those antics he is playing with her. Trying so hard to get her flustered like he did with Dr. Samuels. He already told everyone but the Jury was not in there that he thought she did a SHODDY JOB. OMG what a ass he truly is. I think he is doing a SHODDY job. I hope she can get off the stand soon.

          An I too don’t remember that about the Freeman thing I think he made it up so she would say OH really yes that would make a difference an I would be on your side then. GOOD GRIEF. She is a DMV person not a let’s assume or pretend this happened FAIRY TALE person.

  379. A man dies and goes to hell….

    While getting shown around hell, the man asks the devil whats in “that room over there?”.
    The devil tries to stop the man from looking in the small window to the room, but he instist and looks in…
    “OH MY!!” the man says. Inside the room is the mans older brother mark, mark is slowly massaging a very fat and very ugle woman, calling her sweat names and begging her to “give it to him”! The man asks the devil “why is my brother doing that…with THAT woman?” the devil replies “thats marks punishment for all of his sins while on earth. “damn mark, i had no idea” the man replies.
    Not having learned his lesson, the man looks in the next window and cant believe his eyes, there in the room is another friend of the man, with an even uglier and fatter woman, she has spots of skin missing and bugs crawling all over her. “HOLY CRAP” the man says, “why is my friend jack rubbing and kissing on that woman!?!?” the devil again replies, “well, thats jacks punishment for all of his sins, while on earth”! again the man cant believe his poor friends luck.

    Finally the man looks in the last Window. again he is very cunfused. Inside the room is his best friend Juan Martinez. However this time Juan Martinez is being rubbed down by Brittany Spears! she is kissing him and licking him and feeding him fruit! The man asks the devil “holy crap, i know that guy from when i was on earth, how did he end up with mrs. Spears? the devil replies”well thats Brittany’s punishment from when she was on earth.”

    😉

  381. I think SJ is Puff Daddy! Sean Jean! He keeps reinventing himself! Or maybe SJ is Sara Jessica Parker lol

  382. Thinking outside the box peeps:

    TA was shot on the right side of the head / forehead with a .25 gun interesting that I read Ashely Reed’s report tonight and it’s almost identical shot with the same type of gun…. with the report they are saying it looks to be like a .25 gun that was used but hasn’t been confirmed.

    Also the ninja story, Male and Female intruders, ….. Ashely and Dustin ( maybe)….. Or Ashely and Matt?

    found the gun shots hmmm lets say very similar…… to say the least.

    • Wow really interesting. Do they have the gun? It would be interesting to see if those bullets matched. It will never happen tho Jodi admitted to killing Travis

      • Can’t find any information about retriving the gun in the Ashley Reed case. Although Flores and the medical examier did both cases and one of the lead officers was murdered 7 months after Ashely’s death. The medical examier is being looked at by the FBI

        • I don’t know how they could call it suicide without the gun. Did she shoot herself in the head and then throw the gun away? Very interesting. I would love to have those bullets compared.

          • Me too…. Ruled as suicide but others are saying it is a murder. NO gun, and NO bullet… Or they bullet is still loged in her head and wasn’t taken out. AZ detective work SUCKS balls…. Maybe Flores has his mafia Mormoms in this coverup….

        • wow did not know that one can we all say dan hall the one that love to play with gun big guns little guns the one that is in court sometimes the hughes in court yesterday.

  383. If only, for one day, this could be the testimony:

    JM: So you are not an expert on orgasms, you dumb bitch?

    ALV: No, but i know that there are 4 types!

    JM: OH, you do! Well then why dont you try and tell us what they are!!!!

    ALV: The 4 types are the negative, the positve, the religous and the fake.

    JM: How can you tell which one a person is having? HMMMM, you crazy bitch?

    ALV: well, the positive one goes “oh yes, oh yes, OH YES”, the negative one goes “oh no, oh no, OH NO”, the religous one goes “oh god, oh god, OH GOD” and the fake one goes “oh juan, oh juan, OH JUAN!”

  384. And I think Katie Wick would be more useful if she got a husband stayed home,cooked, had babies and stomped grapes for wine in her back yard

        • She’s a wanna be fame whore in my book….. Not a very well spoken person for someone who claims they want to be just like JUAN….. !!!! I am sure she’s being paid by HLN…. !!!

  385. I hope I am not the only one who feels and thinks this, but
    I used to like watching Dr Drew Celebrity Rehab. I was never a Dr Drew fan
    before really but liked his show because it was real yet had
    trainwreck qualities to it like any other reality show. Can we say Heidi Fleiss?
    Yet since this trail started. I literally cannot stomach the sight of him on
    HLN aka Hell Likes NancyGrace
    I seriously think he’s so smug and so annoying now.
    It also doesn’t help that 5 ( correct me if I am wrong ) of his guests
    on his show committed suicide. Not saying it was his fault, but
    Dr Drew comes off as trying to be such a class act but I really
    feel as though he is beyond fake and transparent.

    There really is such an air of desperation with HLN and the Media
    surrounding this case, and often I always say
    Reality shows are all smoke and mirrors there’s not an ounce
    of reality to them.

    I don’t see Jodi Arias as a monster like say Jeffrey Dahmer, James Holmes or
    Ed Gein.

    Sometimes in life, things happen beyond our control and for everyone
    especially DR DREW who thinks he wrote the book on Psychology
    to act the way he does
    is sickening.

    • I agree with you I did watch his show before this trial but I cannot watch him now and will never watch him again. I thought earlier in his career that he seemed to care about helping people but now he is just one big fake person. Maybe he was always this way. He is just a big sell out now like the rest on the network I refuse to name now.

    • Couldn’t agree more about Dr Drew. Famewhore. Strident. Sell-out for the almighty dollar. I used to watch him on Celebrity Rehab, too. I cannot tolerate even a few seconds of his antics now.

  386. I’d just like to reiterate that JM still hasn’t established premeditation or disproven Jodi was abused by Travis. Has he established she made poor choices? Yes. But that is a big leap to compare to stalking. Let me repeat myself for the 2000000000000000000 time…. Travis was a manipulating con artist that wanted to sleep with anything that had a skirt on so he lied about his status, virtue and women that he courted to make himself LOOK and FEEL more important! Jodi was the only idiot that fell for it. Other women realized he was what he was doing. Hypothetically speaking Travis was a saint, and Jodi moved far far away and lived happily ever after. These aren’t facts. JM is losing and badly. He was really disrespectful when Alice made the time out comment. He was comparing her relationship to Travis’s sexual relationship with Jodi. I’m glad she didn’t take crap from him. Lets see how Alice in Juanderland go tomorrow. I hope it’s over soon for her. He knit picks at little things and doesn’t allow her to speak about the big picture. And in closing lets blame Jodi Arias for the financial crisis of 2008.

    • Amen! The DP should have never been put on the table. Everything that the state says even points to pre meditation is a joke. I’ve never believed pre med from the beginning

  387. PS Katie Wick is the most transparent person. She is beyond fake
    I always have a saying
    Fake Friends are worse then Open Enemies
    and thank god I don’t have friends like her.

    She’s gross

  388. BTW the I hate jodi Facebook site posted a picture of Alice Laviolette and Jennifer will mot at lunch. I don’t know if this constitutes as harassment and stalking behavior but I’m just letting you all know because that’s scary….

    • Where did they get it? Geez!! they can’t even have lunch together without pictures being taken..it’s day it constitutes stalking IMO

      • correction “I’d say it’s stalking” Sorry my brain was thinking something else when I was typing. lol

        • I agree with you, Gail…!! STALKING…… and you didn’t see them out in public signing autographs. :}

        • The minions are all saying this is illegal, and Juan can’t sign autographs but this expert can have lunch with the defense team?? The few who are saying they don’t see anything wrong, why is everyone up in arms are getting told to STFU and leave if you don’t agree!!

          I’m sorry, they are starting to scare me too!

          • There’s nothing wrong with Alyce having lunch with the defense team. They’re allowed to communicate with one another whenever they want to. It’s not like she’s having lunch with Jodi or the jury members.

            • Of course there isn’t. It’s just that one of the whackjobs got a picture of them without their knowledge or consent and posted it on a hate site.

            • Actually, I hate to say this, but that is improper conduct … but only if it could be proven that JW was coaching her. She’s a witness on the stand and she’s not allowed to be coached by the attorneys. If asked, I’m sure they would say they were talking about life, her kids, something else, though.

              • Jennifer/Kirk talked with Jodi every day while she was on the stand. I’m sure they shared conversations with Dr. Samuels as well. Sorry, but the haters are reaching on this.

            • Seriously I had to testify before an they took me to lunch? so what. Alyce is on the phone even not like they are devilishly planning something I don’t get it?

              But I do agree about the disgusting Supporters for Travis just think if there was a photo like that on here of JM an Flores out for Lunch.

              I am surprised they have not crossed the line yet an put up photo’s of the Jurors though they are a sick bunch over on the other side. Just read the comments just horrid horrid people. Seriously I do not like the haters but they have said some things that are really over the top. As much as I can’t stand them I would not wish death on them or for them to burn in a fire like I read over there. What is really bad check out a few that talk like that an then on their FB pages are like quoting Bible Verses. If anyone is going to HELL they are.

  389. I am VERY concerned about something. SJ, Please pass this along to the defense (I have made a screen copy of the picture if you need it).

    On The State vs Arias FB page, the admins posted a picture of AL, JW, and the appeal lawyer having lunch.

    These people are going BAT SHIT and are scaring the HELL out of me.

    NOW, they are stalking the defense team and a witness and taking pictures of them??/

    • WTF Nicole…………. also suggesting they are using hand signals for answers to JUAN’s questions… They are FK pathetic.

    • Funny Nicole I don’t repost info from that site but we both made this observation and I agree that needs to be indicated to others because there are crazy people out there and it was posted an hour ago and has over 600 messages mostly negative.

  390. I’m curious if JM talk about anything today that would allow JW to bring in more information? Such as AL notes?

    • Yes and no. JW can discuss them during her redirect of ALV, but they are still hearsay so they won’t be admitted into evidence.

  391. It’s amazing how our minds interpret letters…

    For years I enjoyed looking at car tags with letters of the cars in front of me and the ones that passed me on the highway…

    An immediate word or name for the letters would pop into my thought….it became a fun mind road game for me while I traveled…

    This morning when I was taking my child to school…a car in front of me had the letters [JM KB]
    what popped into my mind immediately was [Juan Martinez Killer Beast] …(and it stayed on my mind all day during the trial)…it’s like I took more notice of the Killer Beast that he really is…

  392. That FB picture is wonderful evidence for the defense. I’m so glad you saved a screenshot. Shit, that is scary as hell!

    • I emailed a screen shot to SJ Sil.

      This is scary, they are unaware they are even being watched…freak me out!!

    • I just don’t understand who in their right mind would take a picture of the defense while they’re out to lunch? And they have the nerve to call Jodi a psycho stalker. o_O

        • She’s the defense expert witness, I don’t see how it could be improper conduct.

          • Because the defense lawyers should not be speaking with her while she’s testifying. That’s a big no-no. It could be perceived as them coaching her into testifying a certain way.

            • That just doesn’t make sense. Kirk HUGGED her last Thursday. They’re allowed to talk to their witnesses. Don’t you think that any “coaching” would have taken place years ago during Alyce’s depositions?

      • I had a weirdo neighbor years and years ago that used to wander around the neighborhood peeking in windows at night. One day he was standing on the street in front of our house, beer in one hand, and he was grabbing his crotch with the other yelling at me, “I’m going to kill you” Well, the rebel in me just couldn’t be quiet and I yelled back at him, “Not with that you aren’t!”

        Eventually he escalated and tried to get in the house one night when my late husband was at work. When the police arrested him in his home, they found all kinds of pictures of me and my kids that he had taken, and he had videos of me out in the yard. I had absolutely no clue he had taken any pictures, never mind video taped me.

        Since then it freaks me out thinking of someone taking pictures of anyone without their knowledge…it’s just creepy!!

    • I read some of those comments, and I wanted to take a shower.

      Those people are utterly crazy.

      • I wouldn’t be a bit surprised if the one who took the picture was one of HLN crony spies….they are constantly looking for the breaking news moment each and every day…

        • You can stop a website’s use of your image for three reasons: invasion of privacy, violation of right of publicity, or defamation.

          Invasion of privacy can occur if you are portrayed falsely and in a highly offensive manner. For example, your photo was posted at America’s Most Wanted’s website, and you are not wanted — by the law. Your privacy may also be invaded if the photo was taken by someone who intruded on you in a situation in which you had a reasonable expectation of privacy — for example, in your own home. It is not an invasion of privacy to photograph someone in a public place or at any event where the public is invited.

          Another reason to stop the use is known as the right of publicity. This occurs if your image is used for commercial purposes such as to sell products or to imply that you endorse a product. If the photo is used in a commercial website — that is, one sponsored by a business or that sells products or services — the unauthorized use of your image would probably violate your right of publicity. The public must be able to identify you in the photograph.

          You can also stop the website use if the photo defames you — that is, it creates a false impression and injures your reputation. For example, it would be defamatory to doctor a photo to make it seem as if you were shoplifting. The fact that an unmodified photo is unflattering is not enough to claim defamation. The photo must falsely portray you and must cause people in the community to think less of you.

          It’s also illegal and called ” cyber stalking” according to the law

          • Thanks for that info FUJuan…

            I saved it to my email…

            I have problems with people taking my picture sometimes without my permission…I don’t know what they are using it for…I have asked them to delete the images…I hope they did…

            Will any of this apply in my situation….

            • Absoutely…. Even at our local Macy’s store there is a huge sign on the door that it’s illegal to take photos of people in the mall!
              1. to ask them to remove the photo
              2. report them if it’s on the website
              3. Defamation

              • That’s so perverts don’t sit in the malls taking pictures of children. I agree with it totally.

            • No one has the right to take your picture and post it online without your permission. That just creeps me out! ugh!!

        • The comment under the picture is (thank you to everyone who sent this in)

          This kind of freaks me out, simply because they have no clue that they were being photographed…gives me the creeps!

          • Key word ” everyone” so there was multiple people sending in this photo? Now, that is what is creepy. Different if it was someone visiting AZ for the trial and saw them in this resturant and snapped a photo.

            Is this ” freedom of the press”?

            • If it is a civilian taking the picture, they aren’t the press. And I highly doubt the press would infringe on their lunch in a restaurant.

              • And even if it was someone visiting AZ for the trial, you still can’t take someone’s picture and post it on a social networking site without their permission. It’s not like the person was taking a tourist picture and they just happened to be caught in the picture of the coca cola sign. lol

                • LOL Gail…… guess we will find out tomorrow if it’s an issue with the defense. I know I wouldn’t want strangers taking my photo and blasting it all over the internet. I would be inflamed with rage…………. not a fan of FB …FREE GOSSIP site.

    • Posting that picture on a social media site without the people in the picture giving permission is a NO NO. You can not go around taking pictures of people and post them all over the Internet. These people are idiots!

      • I’m not sure about that actually. Because they’re in the public eye on TV, that protection may not apply.

        • Paris Hilton is in the public eye and when photos of here were linked a a video she got money from it.

          or do you think it’s ” freedom of the press” ?

            • Mine does that too. lol

              The press didn’t take this picture. This was taken and sent to the admin of that facebook hate site and they posted it.

        • But the TV’s are not in the restaurant, they are not committing a crime, they are having lunch, they aren’t in the court room, they aren’t at a press conference. Just because the trial is televised, doesn’t mean people can take pictures of them and post them on a social media site without their permission.

          And the site that posted it didn’t take the picture, it was sent to them to post.

          It is no different than if they went and parked outside JW’s house and took pictures of her in her yard and then posted them on facebook.

          • The restaurant is a public place, so actually, as far as I understand, it is very different.

    • And I thought I was the only one “rolling my eyes” today and saying “sustain”…LOL

      The haters hate that Jodi did the eye rolling and said sustain…JM just bring out the worst…I mean the best in us…or should I say the beast within….

      • LOL I was doing the same thing while listening to the trial at work. At one point, when the judge kept saying overruled, I actually let out this “ugh” sound and threw my hands up. My co-workers were probably wondering “wtf is she doing?” lol 😛

        • At least you said “ugh”….

          I’ve actually been saying many curse words lately…which is way out of character for me…

          Some of my clients were in the waiting area and they actually laughed when I let out a curse word and said they never thought they would ever hear words like that come out of my mouth…

          Maybe my beast within got woken up with the crazy antics of this circus media trial…(and it likes to curse…LOL)

  395. After I receive my book from Amazon, I’m going to stop shopping there altogether. They have done nothing. NOTHING about the hateful “reviews” posted about AL. I’m so disgusted with them and me because I used to do a lot of shopping on their site. I own two kindles and I swear, I am going to give them away. I can find other ways to get ebooks I’m sure. Or, I’ll start going to the library like I used to. Amazon sucks.

    • In a way Sil that might be a good thing, it is evidence of how ALV was attacked for testifying, should there be legal action taken.

      • you’re probably right, Gail. I guess we’re just going to have to grin and bear it for a little while longer. All the hateful social media coverage along with the judge and the prosecutor’s behavior is surely going to benefit Jodi in the end.

          • Yes, we should!!

            You know, I’ve been thinking, that when Jodi gets acquitted, she won’t be safe. In fact, right now, I’m always so anxious about all of their safety, especially after reading some of the stuff these bat-shit crazy hate mongers are posting.

            I do hope that the judge is taking care of this matter. Pfft! What am I saying. This judge is incredibly, incredibly dense. Or she’s scared of JM. *SHE* acts like a battered woman by accepting his behavior. She’s totally enabling him too. So sad.

          • If we are gonna to make a trip to AZ we also need to make shirts. They could say such things as

            Are you angry with me?

            Do you need a time out?

            Or we could order M & M’s to hand out with these sayings.

            I hate making such silly statements in light of such a serious case but Kermit keeps driving me over the edge. He is way out of control and I am so impressed that ALV keeps her cool for the most part. I would have been held in contempt and carted off to jail already. I have to take breaks from his ranting. I feel bad for the Jury since they have to listen to him everyday.

            • You and me both, AJ. I can only hold back so long before I feel compelled to set straight a situation. We could share a cell, I guess, or move in with Jodi!!

              Sometimes there just comes a point where a person has to speak up…I could never, ever answer yes or no if I thought it would leave the wrong impression as to what I knew to be true.

            • I’d be sitting in jail eating baloney sandwiches for sure. I tend to get sarcastic when someone starts yelling and bullying me. Unfortunately, I don’t like baloney and I can’t eat peanut butter, so I’d starve in jail.

      • At least Jodi has a team, unlike ONE MAN DON JUAN………… ego man who’s on a power trip.

    • I replied to the email that Amazon sent to me and I told them that I was not going to order anything else from them…

      I am thinking about the comment that I am going to write in the review for the item I bought recently from them…

    • I agree the response I received from Amazon was a form letter. They have done nothing to correct it and I will stop shopping there and I did buy quite a lot from them in the past.

    • I’ve been a fan of Amazon for a long long time. This is truly disappointing. I hope they are investigating and it’s just taking time.

  396. HLN spews nothing but hatred and garbage. I refuse to waste my precious time listening the bias witch hunt orgy the hostesses of HLN and guests regurgitate against Jodi Arias. I watch the trial on live stream with no interruptions, and if I want to read some smart comments, this is the place to be.

  398. asked the tarot cards when will this trial end it says 9 weeks or sooner

    • Let’s pray for sooner…. Don’t know that I can take another two months of JUAN ….

      • I hope that we she chris and sky and dan hall on the stand for the defence to question and load we need a perry mason monent

  399. Dear Admins:

    I wonder if you would consider creating a thread where we can also go and post encouragement to Jodi’s attorneys and Alyce and Dr. Samuels.

    I have been trying to find places where I can address them publicly, to thank them and praise them. A place where they can come and read only positive things about them!

    I think they would appreciate that. I don’t want to send emails to the attorneys or Dr. Samuels or Alyce to their offices because I’m sure they are inundated with those and probably don’t even have time to read them.

    It’s kinda late so I’m going to bed. G’night peeps.

      • With all the abuse ALV has been subjected to, I would think that going to a hate-free space would be comforting.

        geebee2,

        I like what you’ve done. Is that a place that’s troll-free?

  400. I started posting my Tarot stuff today lets see how long it will take HLN to mention that on tomorrow shows or the day after they seem to get our quotes and use them

  403. Just woke up. Had a nightmare I was being tea bagged by JM.
    It was absolutely terrifying.

  404. I was dreaming that he was a zombie and he wanted to eat me and I had to put him down

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