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Jodi Arias Trial – Day 35 (afternoon session)

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Leave your comments below on the afternoon session of day 35, as Dr Richard Samuels continues answering the jurors questions.

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  5. Thank you…this morning postings were getting a little too long. I kept losing my place:>)))

  6. Okay – I’ll say this. I don’t like the juror question; “do you often make mistake while diagnosing?” Since that came after another “mistake” question, it make me think they are falling for JM’s rantings. And, I absolutely believe at least a couple are watching the nasties like NG, JVM and VP. Let’s hope they would at least be smart enough to visit here to see both sides.

    • You even have people here who haven’t bothered to actually listen to Dr. Samuels explain what the score of 69 means in the test in relationship to the 75 “cutoff score.” Psychologists don’t just arrive at a diagnosis based on a single score in one test.

      Hell, my brother’s diagnosis of a different problem was arrived at after over TWENTY different measures.

    • Do you think someone from the defense side is watching the talking heads to compair what is said on those shows vs the jury questions? On the previious thread someone wrote that some of the questions were word-for-word of what they heard on NG, JVM, etc.. If by the question(s) wording it could be proven a juror was watching the shows, what would happen? Besides them getting kicked off would it be a mistrial too?

      • At least two questions were word for word exactly from Nancy Grace. I jumped when I heard the first one. That is so wrong. I hope the defense figures it out and asks for a mistrial.

      • I don’t believe that no one on this jury is watching these shows on HLN. I wish they would nail them, whoever they are, and declare a mistrial. All HLN shows covering this are 100% in favor of the prosecution and NOT covering any of the defense side. They think (and who knows, they may be right) they can determine the outcome of this trial. Disgusting. Without the Arias trial, their ratings would continue to slide, as they have been. previous to this trial coverage.
        They are using her for money and ratings.

  7. Wouldn’t you think in a high profile case such as this, they would find another judge who could take on some of the unrelated motions, etc. that this judge has to tend to every morning. No wonder court is always running late. When you break it down, out of an 8 hr day, even on a good day, there is only about 3 or so hers of testimony each day! Seems to me that the trial should start at 9:00, at least, and go til 5:00, considering they have an hour and a half lunch and a break in the afternoon.

    • I was actually wondering if that was to give both witness and jury breaks so they stay alert. But now after all I’ve seen, I kind of think they wouldn’t do anything to be considerate of anyone in this courtroom. (Well except for the bullying, badgering and ranting of the prosecution.)

  8. Dang it – just found out I have to leave for a few. Anyone know what time it should start?

  9. I’m impressed with Jodi’s team. I’ve become fond of them. I’m also a Jodi Advocate. Posting “Team Jodi” on Beth Karas’s Facebook Page and watch heads explode! LOL TEAM JODI!!!!!!

      • There are sometimes when I feel like we’re just a army of ruthless soldiers fighting for Jodi and doing whatever we have to do to set her free!

          • I soooo agree – we are soldiers for the Good and the Sane! (What issue should we take on when this is compete? lol)

            • We’ll worry about that after we get over the MAJOR hangover all of us are going to have after we celebrate Jodi’s aquittal!lol

              • So let me see. I plan to go kill someone so I decide to spend 14+ hours with them not knowing when his roommate’s will be home,had sex with him and take pictures with him. Steal a gun 2 weeks earlier. Wait untill he is awake and can fight back to shot him. Plan all of this out and then be so stupid to leave a bloody palm print and through the camera in the washer. Ohhhh please!!! She is a smart woman and if she planned this out she would have went in waited until he was asleep then shot him in the head and leave. I despise JM. I hope to see her get a not guilty verdict. She was defending herself that is all I see a scared women not knowing what to do!!

          • AMEN!!!! HLN is vicious, stupid, biased and i for one am ashamed that they are allowed to go on the way they do. But it is all for money and ratings.

    • I agree. The defense team is doing extremely well and I think she is lucky to have them. I feel for them and all their hard work and especially having to go up against that liar Martinez (constantly misinterpreting prior testimony and misleading the witness.) Also, I thought a prosecutor is not allowed to badger, hound, intimidate, etc. a witness. Is that lawful? Why does the judge constantly allow this?

    • I am new to this thread, having been “stuck” reading Beth Karas’s facebook page, not knowing this site was available.. Glad I found it… I was getting so upset reading the posts on her facebook page, I had to quit reading their comments all together. I felt like I was the only in the world who believed Jodi.. I would throw in a comment here and there, and get slapped down.. you just could not disagree with any one of them.. or you were evil.. etc. I am so sick and tired of the Vinnie Politans, Dr. Drews , and the Nancy Graces of the world.. I turn the channel when they are on… There is only one defense attorney I have heard on HLN, that is more leaning towards Jodi then any other, his name is Dwane Cates.. I am glad I found you all…

  12. The jurors need to understand that a patient or a person being evaluated CANNOT “game” a psychological test–it is impossible.

  13. What the juror(s) can’t seem to get in their heads is that the “intruder story” is actually part of her PTSD–it isn’t separate, and it isn’t indicative she is trying to “game” the test.

    • Yes, the intruder story is EITHER a product of her PTSD/Dissociative Disorder or the intruder story is TRUE and the self defense story was fabricated, perhaps as a result of MIND CONTROL by the intruders.

  14. The questions first asked in the morning session seemed like valid questions. IMO, not knowing if these are from all or one or two jurors, they seem to me as they don’t want to believe JA has PTSD.

    Anybody else?

    • Or they want something to validate it. I just tired of some of the fixation on her lying to the detective about the intruder story or the not-being-involved story when Dr. Samuels clearly explained those were part of the PTSD.

    • I think the jury is asking all the right questions and getting the answers that will make it an acquittal. I thought no way Casey Another was going to be found guilty. But a lot a people were upset at the verdict, thinking the jury got it wrong. I believe this jury will have no problem getting it right. I feel they just want to cross all t’s and dot all the i’s. Sweet Dreams Jodi…You will be free soon!

  16. She didnt write any negative things on her journals because maybe there were NO negatine things about him to write??????Are the jurors witnessing the same trial as we are?I want to keep positive but i just DONT get some of these questions.

    • The juror clearly wasn’t closely listening to the “law of attraction” testimony Jodi talked about at length.

  18. That is awesome! He just got a dig in at Martinez right after getting in that the crime scene clean up did NOT show premeditation!

  19. Really, a jury wants to know how he could be sure JA wanted to please TA. How could that even be a question at this point in the trial.

    • a lot of the questions seem that at least one of them(since we dont know if they’re coming from one or more people)does NOT believe almost a word that’s come out of her mouth or the expert doctor or her lawyers.Hey,it’s just my opinion,dont stone me LOL!

    • I think the jurors can put more questions in the basket during the follow up too.

      Anybody else know?

  24. So he is basically telling the Juror’s that Jodie did what she had to to survive. She was NOT jealous. He believes her.

  25. I just wanted to clarify something I said earlier….
    While I do agree that I hate the way the HLN portrays and reports on this trial, and I certainly do not base my opinions on this case based solely on what they say over there, I will say however, that I have gained some insight into this case, especially when Jose Baez was on there the other night. I did appreciate looking at the scale model of the room, it gave me perspective of the area. I really enjoy listening to him, I just wish he was available more often to give his insight, and I wish it wasn’t on HLN…also Gus Searcy..I would of never known that he heard Jodi and TA arguing because it wasn’t allowed in testimony. That is important to me in forming my conclusion that TA was abusive, no doubts about it.
    I also appreciate listening to Mr Gagic and his blogradio programs. That is another media area I search for to get perspectives on the case.
    What is truly alarming is the amount of people who offer no intelligent argument to the trial, and there are many. We all have right to our opinions of course, it just unreal how some people think and what they are willing to believe, just to fit into the mold they think is the popular opinion. It makes me fear for our justice system, truly. This should be a wake up call for all of us to really pay attention to who we vote for in our legislators and our justices.

    • It’s the negative effect on the justice system that I worry about. The media should NOT be in the business of cultivating a lynch mob mentality.

        • Yes, he is the next contestant on their fucked up game show. I am in the habit of waiting to see what the prosecution has to say before forming an opinion either way BUT from what I’ve read, there seems to be a lot more to this story than what the media is letting on.

          I notice the media is starting to make a habit of steamrolling Latinos, in a day in age where hate crimes against them are at an all time high. NOT COOL.

          • MB, as I’ve said before Latinos are now the largest minority and still growing and we are not a nice people when we get pissed!

          • That trial is going to get ugly. At least Zimmerman doesn’t have to worry abou the DP; he’s charged with murder 2.

  26. Good grief I want to backslap TA’s family!!!!! Their smirks are SO DISRESPECTFUL…OMG…the brother’s smirks and dirty looks…and the sister’s are shaking their heads at every answer Dr. Samuel’s gives!!!

    AND…Jodi NEEDS TO EAT. She is losing so much weight. You see her bones!! My God…my heart breaks for her. I want to send her a carvel cake!

    GO JW!!!

    • What a pity that TA’s family does not even have a fraction of the class and dignity that the Arias family has!

    • I know, thats what I dislike the most!!! And people want to feel bad for them!!!! UUUUHHHGGG They’re doing it on purpose! !!!

      • Yes, exactly. Here’s the thing – I WANT to feel bad for them. For the most part I feel bad for anyone who loses a loved one so tragically. But the constant inappropriate behavior makes it very hard for me to feel bad for them at all.

        • Perhaps MB, but I still see the Alexanders are mere pebbles beneath the feet of the Arias family.:-)

    • Inmates at Maricopa County jail have to pay for their meals I think about $1.25 per meal. It they can’t afford it the jail provides the meal, but if money is sent into their commissary the money will first go for the food supplied by the jail and then commissary items. Arpaio only gives bologna sandwiches for lunch and dinner, if I remember correctly.

      There are lawsuits regarding this issue from civil rights attorneys.

      • Do they allow special meals for say vegetarians or kosher meals for Jewish inmates – isn’t that required? Is this the jail where they put some inmates in tents?

    • I beg all of you to leave TA’s family out of the discussion here. They are innocent victims who believe what they have been told – that Jodi killed their brother in cold blood in a jealous rage. I have nothing but sympathy for them, they are heartbroken and their lives will never be the same. No matter what happened, they are just his loving siblings. Sometimes it is hard to be kind, be kind anyway, it costs you nothing.

      • I agree. They really don’t have any idea what really happened that day, and they probably will never truly know.

        None of us will, including Jodi.

        • I’m with you Mintz! Travis’s family is not on trial and are dealing with the loss of a family member. I feel the same way about Jodi’s family as well. “Be kind” is not hard to do and when did we choose to do the opposite? Both families are entitled to respect and empathy for what they have been through.

  27. I’m getting ready to go out to dinner with some family. I’m sorta glad so that I will miss JM’s turn back up at the Dr. I don’t think that I can handle his grating on my last nerve tonight.

  28. Thats exactly right…he is doing a great job today. The jury needs to pay attention to his answers, no one uses a test SOLELY to diagnose a patient. I don’t get why the jury isn’t getting that…or is it that maybe one or two don’t want to get it…thats what I’m getting from these lines of questions

  29. WooHoo Mr. Nurmi is looking shnazzy in his black suit and fuschia tie 🙂 I look forward to seeing him each day.

  30. JM

    Distracts from not being able to show
    the premed/intent evidence that would have been available

    if this all occurred. That’s why his only focus is about lies;

    If he had a case he wouldn’t be completely dependent on JA and grilling everyone 24/7.

    I find his behavior disturbing and abusive.

    Peace

  31. I like Samuels very much but there are some answers that he could hit a home run on but gets a little off track. You can see when this happens and JW sighs a little.

  33. I bet the jury is going to go into the 3 day weekend having heard JM’s antics as the last words for the week.

  34. When Dr. Samuels answered a juror question about the validity of the PDS test, I thought I heard him say that there were no validity studies of this test. If so, then this is unfortunately an indicator that he has not familiarized himself with the standardization data. Here is a link that reports some limited validity data.

    http://occmed.oxfordjournals.org/content/58/5/379.full

    Note that high “face validity” is reported in the form of high internal consistency. This means that the items are basically measuring the same thing. Also, further construct validity is reported indicating “an 82% agreement between diagnosis using the PDS and the Structured Clinical Interview for DSM.” The abbreviation DSM refers to the “The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders.”

    See also the following study:

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22480715

    Also, see: http://tinyurl.com/bp9mfyk

    “These findings suggest that the PDS might serve as an acceptable screening device for identifying cases of PTSD…but clinicians should be aware of elevated false positive rates.

    If I had been doing this evaluation, I would have used other methods to assess PTSD, including some of the instruments mentioned that are not simply self-report but result from a structured interview. I also would have been concerned to identify possible malingering. There instruments for identifying a tendency to make one appear mentally ill, such as is the Structured Inventory of Malingered Symptomatology (SIMS), which is a self-report questionnaire that questions defendants about their amnesia. The assumption behind the SIMS is that a malingerer (liar) will exaggerate symptoms.

    http://www4.parinc.com/Products/Product.aspx?ProductID=SIMS

    I have respect for Dr. Samuel’s clinical intuition and open-mindedness, but I would have liked to have seen more hard data in a court case with a rabid prosecutor. He has an appreciation for Jodi’s spectrum of strange behaviors and their suggestion of a possible dissociative disorder. I would have liked to see that he had explored a dissociation diagnosis more fully. It would be much more compelling as a way of explaining her behavior to the jury as something much more than simple lying.

      • Unfortunately, I am not familiar with the results reported for the Millon (MCMI). If you can direct me to source for the data and the testimony, I’ll be glad to comment.

        • The Millon test is a valid test that is used a lot in psychodiagnostics. I meant that I can’t comment on Jodi’s results because I did not come across them in the testimony.

    • Quick question and maybe the legal eagles here might be able to help:

      Is the Structured Inventory of Malingered Symptomatology admissable in AZ court? Is it possible that he administered this test but could not be examined about it? Is it standard for evaluations in court cases; or is it something that is simply allowed at the psychologist’s discretion?

  36. Gotta LOVE JW – stupid objected to her question about no one being home to help Jodi – she rephrased the question and got an answer!!!

    She is AWESOME!!!!!

    • She is doing great.Hopefully this will clear up the jurors questions.She good at detail and so is the Dr. Almost hope J.M. doesn’t get a chance to question the Doc today.The Doc needs a good night sleep to put up with Kermit.

  37. JW just asked a question, but Samuels is drifting with his answer. Don’t get me wrong, I like him, but he sometimes goes off track and I lose him. JW also has to ask the question again to get a simple yes or no. The more his says the more ammo he gives the ankle biter.

  38. Sounds like the doctor was describing JM when he talked about aggressive people vs. assertive people.

  42. Samuels should just answer the question. For example, when he just said “No, it doesn’t mean their assertive” but then he went on into “well, sometimes they can be with others”. He already testified that she wasn’t at all assertive in her life.

  44. SHIT. did he just say he would ignore her until she would become desperate and fear of abandonment and would contact him??

    • No, a portion of that is correct but then he went into that you see this when people are controlled by “masogonists”

    • and did he just utter the word ”misogynist” for TA?? There IS God,after all!!!!!!
      Thank you doctor for that one!!!!

      • Yes, that it was very typical in controlling relationships and was prevalent in this relationship.

        • This was my favourite part of the day,hope the jury was paying attention to that comment,especially the one who asked that there were NO negative things to write about TA!!

          • lol,ok,here it comes:
            it’s a compound word deriving from the verb μισώ(miso)=to hate and the ancient greek word γυνή(gynee)=woman!!!

            • And, “misanthropy” is made in exactly the same way, though it doesn’t specifically mean “man” but “mankind.” That says something, no?

              I love etymology, Maria! More than half of the English language is derived from Greek and Latin root words, prefixes and suffixes. To learn even a handful of these root words, etc. helps to decode many, many English words …

      • I know, it’s not every day that hatred against women is acknowledged, let alone talked about. I was like YES holy cow! That IS the reality so many women deal with.

    • Yes, I sure hope JM feels like he needs to go into Samuels statement of “classic misogynist”

    • I noticed he wasnt taking notes todays. What is he going to talk or ask about? ? He’s already made up his mind that his going to ask whatever comes to mind and however he wants to ask it..

  47. there are always 3 sides to every story, Her’s, His and the truth.
    The facts of life are that people will remember things how THEY understood it to be.
    How many times has something happened so fast that you “think” you saw this or “think” someone said “that” ? This Martinez, takes peoples words and pulls out certain words from their statements and then puts that word into a different sentence, and then asks the person on the stand ” Did you just use the word “________” ? well, yes they did, but not in the sentence Martinez is using. This is a sneaky low-handed trick to confuse the witness and to manipulate the jury. Martinez GTFO of the justice system, you don’t care if she is innocent or not, you just want another notch on your belt.
    Here is a article that I found to be interesting about the corruptness that goes on just to get a conviction.
    http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/washington/judicial/2010-09-22-federal-prosecutors-reform_N.htm

    • Good point, SH! I think this is an ethical issue. His trick is underhanded and in no-way meant to get to the truth. Surely he can be reported for this?

      • NBH,

        We have travis’s own words. ” I raped you when you were miserable.” We have texts and emails were jodi never uttered a malicious thought because you know Juan would have been all over that. We have a messy crime scene, and a psychologist that is very credible and able to detect b.s. despite what the naysayers say. We have a lot that points to self defense. We know travis cheated on Jodi and lied to her face. There is zero evidence she stalked him yet that was the prosecution’s claim in the begining. Much of his theory has been destroyed by tangible proof. There is proof other than Jodi’s words if you choose to look at it.

        • Yes. The dynamics of the relationship are pretty much textbook “someone’s getting abused there”. And that person sure is not Jodi.

          So lawyers must have ethical duty to not use ‘tricks’, surely? I mean this is 2013 already. Martinez is using word play and he’s not even doing it very well.

    • Thanks for the article, SH. It is quite depressing. But at least there IS an article documenting the fact that a problem exists. Just not seeing any remedies being applied to the problem. Little slaps on the prosecutors’ wrists don’t cut it. How does an innocent person ever get their life back after all the damaging ramifications have taken place while they’ve been serving time? Very sad.

  49. I just read a comment online about this page. It stated that this group was, among other things “a bunch of highschool drop outs”???

    I had to laugh! I suspect there are (at least) two other Ph.Ds/MDs who post regularly on this site.

    • so,now the’re saying we actually EXIST???Coz the other day we were just ONE pakistani guy! LMAO!!

      • That makes me laugh. I cannot believe some of the things these hater sites come up with.

      • I suspected you were one, the other is also in your field. My patients only speak binary. I only have 8 yrs in Computer Forensics.

        • Sometimes my patients speak binary, too. Makes it tough since my brain works primarily in analog fashion.

          • Gulliver, I find your post interesting particularly around dissociation diagnosis whether from normal everyday experiences like “getting lost” or Multiple Personality Disorder. Exploration of this would indeed be more compelling. Frankly, exploration of many other theories was overlooked in this case resulting in biased opinions and unfortunately, in my opinion, a violation to the Sixth Amendment to a fair trial. Dr. Samuels has failed in his duty to fully provide a comprehensive analysis of Jodi opening the door to much speculation. I do however feel that the jury selected for this trial has the ability to evaluate the credibility of all witnesses and are doing their due diligence to determine quilt or innocence. Unfortunately, the same cannot be said for the media or the prosecution. Just my thoughts!
            I do have a question for you. When your patients speak binary how do you determine the third quantity? And what in your opinion is the third quantity in this case?

    • I have a bachelor’s degree in psychology and graduated college with a 3.795 GPA. Thanks for playing, haters, and enjoy your free gift of Turtle Wax.

  50. I do wish that when JW gets the answer she’s looking for Dr. Samuels would stop. For example, he doesn’t need to add that “memory” is a newer science.

    Anybody else?

    • I think he is using examples to clarify things to the jury. He may have made the analysis that the juror questions indicate they are confused and sometimes it is helpful to laymen to use analogies.

    • I know what you mean, he goes on far too long, and is probably causing some to zone out to his important part of the answer.

      And I don’t need to be talked down to and have him explain the meteor analogy again.

      Please Dr…just answer the question and keep it short. I am losing the important part of your answer and that is the part that helps JODI!!

    • Another example on the hours spent, Dr. Samuels did well with this the other day and didn’t need to add the comment that “sometimes evaluators do more than 30 hours depending on the circumstance.” The fact is 30 hours is above average for an evaluation.

      • 30 hours for an evaluation has to be an extremely thorough evaluation. I’ve never been in therapy myself, but I would assume a therapy session is about an hour (at least that’s what they are in books and on TV). So if one went to a therapist twice a week 30 hours would be almost 4 months for just the evaluation. I’m sure if you had to go to a therapist twice a week for 4 months before they started any actual therapy, psychologists would be a seriously unemployed bunch.

        I’m sure they can make a preliminary evaluation and start therapy way before 30 hours. Now speaking logically, if one was to start therapy and if it were to have any valid results, one would have to be pretty certain of what they were doing so as to possibly not mess the patient up any worse.

        So 30 hours of evaluation must be very deep. I wonder how many hours the prosecution expert spent with Jodi.

        • A evaluation in preparation for court is more involved than an evaluation for therapy and would typically take much longer, especially in a death penalty case.

        • Very well said.

          I’m waiting to see how many hours the pros. expert spent with her too.

    • Dr. Samuels is a competent clinician, it seems. However, like many clinicians, a good researcher he is not. He would be well advised to stick to clinical issues and leave the science to others.

    • I’m glad he’s spending a long time on each answer. I’m interested in what he’s saying. Also, it’s reinforcing his original testimony before JM had his tantrum, and I’d like to see the jury go home for the weekend with their minds on the doctor’s sensible testimony. I hope he and JW go on until the end of the day.

    • Wes, interesting article!

      Did you notice on the sex tape, when Travis was talking to Jodi; he was saying that Abe “had no soul”? That he was just a “ghost” to him? Because he was “dating his girlfriend”?

      And notice how Travis’ friends went on the media talking about how Jodi “has no soul” – basically parroting Travis’ words?

      The logic seems to be that once someone ceases to serve another’s personal agenda, that they are basically nonpersons. They are walking, talking husks that can be disposed of without remorse. That humanity is not self evident, it is a status bestowed and revoked on a conditional basis.

      • MB
        I wasn’t aware of the use of the language “has no soul”, and “ghost”. It’s strange, and bizarre language. Are they the language of Mormonism, comparable to ex-communication, and dis-communication. The weapons used to deal with heretics, and others, holding alternative, or dissenting opinions, or lacking the required subservience, or obedience, to the religious hierarchy.
        If so, it looks like Travis Alexander’s “friends” have hijacked such terms in an attempt at personal retribution against Jodi.

        • Hmmm I don’t know if they are mormon terms specifically, and I agree that they adopted them to dehumanize Jodi. I have also seen people call Jodi “IT.” But for Travis, I do think it indicates how his mind worked and how he viewed others.

  52. I hope JW nurses her questions so JM doesn’t have an opportunity to speak before the weekend..

  53. No kidding – I just got home, posted here, situated myself then clicked the “live trial” link just in time for the afternoon recess. Dangit. Did it seem to go well this afternoon?

  54. Any idea when all this questions from jurors were submitted (like day) and where was aired the blonde PPL woman who said that has been confronted by JA in a toilet?

      • I think it’s fine for the family to wear them but not total strangers who never knew Travis.

        • You have a point Kira but the 1st Amendment is what it is. Yes, I’m a desciple of Ron Paul.lol

          • The First Amendment has its limits, particularly when it would interfere with other Constitutional rights providing for a fair trial. Time, place, and manner restrictions can be placed on speech.

  56. I think Dr Samuels derailing under JM prosecution was defense stratedgy demonstratine of effects of controlling personality style as was Jodi’s

  60. Not sure if this has been said..Watching NG the other night when the “drunk friend” who was supposedly hanging all over TA at the PPL event where JA cried alone in the bathroom seemed familiar to me.. And she mentioned in a round about way jodi had said she wasn’t going to go ATV riding with them on June 6th ( she made it sound as though JA wasn’t invited and it was meant for qualifying PPL employees) anywho…. She (drunk friend) was actually impaled by a tree branch through the gut on an ATV around a month after Travis was found.. Apparently Dave Hall was there and of course told his rendition to reporters.. This group of people has some realllllllyyy shitty luck, Jodi included. Don’t cross paths with legal shield !

  63. chris stark @stark3923 49s
    #JodiArias trial watchers were kicked out of court. One woman said to another she wished “Jodi were dead.” Security removed the woman

  64. I like that they are going over all the names Travis used to call Jodi. and she pauses at the end in disgust… (orfor drama – who cares … it workedfor me) and says “Three hole wonder.” No kidding. That Travis… what a sweetheart. Those texts are Terrible.

    • regarding TA,sometimes I do wanna type what SJ has had the courage to say but I guess I dont have the guts to speak out!
      I hope God,the universe or whatever superior being is out there has forgiven his soul!

    • Yeah, about time the Jurors were brought back to reality, what with all that buffoonery going on and side tracking them and all!

      • So, so glad JW brought back all that name calling and abusive behavior from TA to JA to their attention.

    • Yes, and it’s sad that the doctor has to testify to something that is clearly self evident – calling people degrading names is wrong.

      Uh oh here comes JM…

    • I wish there was a frog eating varmit in the court room. God I hate his ornery countenance!!!!!!

  69. Crap, just got home and missed most of this and now, I have to deal with Kermit!

  70. The Dr. aced it today!! The haters on the trial page are pullin their hair out!! LMAO!! KARMA!

    • This is one of my first times posting… I wanted to be able to discuss the trial without being screamed at for believing that Ms. Arias is telling the truth. I also think that the psychologist. did a great job yesterday… did you see when he countered JM and made JM stumble over his words and get all flustered? And the psychologist smiled? I wanted to high-five him.

  73. Good God… Martinez just can’t help but be an ass. I hope Mrs. W keeps on objecting to his bullshit!

  76. Oh give me a break. Here he goes again. How many times does the doc have to say “I scored it twice?”

  77. Pardon my French, but this little fucker cannot seem to be able to hold a respectful, professional interview.

    what a piss poor excuse for an attorney.

    • This guy is sick. Compassion/sympathy, are different. Compassion is a form of sympathy.
      Jury will start to despise him too. Any doctor who is not a robot is unprofessional? Since when?

  78. “He’s trying to be non-responsive.” NO HE’S NOT, KERMIT. Do you not understand when people are trying to answer a question?

  80. JW just objected saying the documents were not disclosed. This leads us back to the State’s expert releasing information to JM that is a violation.

  81. This is an abomination. That judge has no control over her court room. Mr. Martinez needs to be spoken to. Just for the record, I viewed another trial, online, in which Mr. Martinez was the prosecutor. His behavior is the same as it is now and he often asked the person in the witness box, “Do you have a problem with your memory?” He was just as abrasive. I am surprised he has not been sanctioned. His love of twisting the words and yelling, “Yes or no?” The doctor is going to speak up to him.

    • I think the Jury sees right through Martinez, and if they didn’t believe the Doctor they would not ask so many questions, Martinez is so BAD i know he has the Cheer leading Media behind him, but he is a Liar, He is horrible abusive scattered and Dr. Samuel’s should sue him for defamation of character, Martinez is an ugly short ignorant little NAZI, i have never seen such a little piece of CRAP in my life Dr. Samuel’s is a nice Man. How much time will Martinez spend on the Self Help Book, Please that was so silly. I think Martinez needs to be disbarred.

  84. its very telling that he is going all nuts over a score.. but not the content. its like… Martinez… should you be grabbin those straws without gloves on sir?

  87. OMG do you have problems with your memory….No, sir, no more than you do.

    I think I’m having a flashback.

  88. “Sir do you have any memory problems?”

    “No more problems than you do”

    “Objection – non responsive”

    “Overruled the answer will stand”

    Bwahahahaha PRICELESS!!

    • Martinez speaks poorly and does not have a good command of the English Language, so he screams to compensate for his poor linguistic skills. His ignorance is glaringly obvious in contrast to Dr.Samuel’s exceptional intellect and ability to be descriptive in such a dense subject, Dr. Samuel’s uses language very well and is not boring. Martinez is too disorganized and relies heavily on misquoting, twisting smearing and just plain lying. But the shouting and insulting people is just not the proper decorum for a Court Room its more like a low class Bar Room Brawler. I would suggest that the Judge discipline Mr. Martinez and tell him to comport himself in a manner that is acceptable to civilized human beings. This Judge has NO CONTROL!!

  90. i hate him and i dont even know him.
    Should I ever get murdered, I do NOT want him prosecuting. I mean.. seriously.

      • Me, too!!! I’d be scared to drink the water there because it might contain whatever the hell it is that makes JM so fucking insane!

          • I hope you don’t mean I’d in any way, shape, or form…ummm… be intimate with Juan Martinez. O_o

            Are you trying to make me vomit so testimony will be cut short today? 😉

  92. OMFG… REALLY?!?!?!!! Let’s look up the definition of Compassion in the dictionary?

  93. Yay Dr.! in response to JM asking, “Do you have problems with problems with your memory, sir?” (a repetitive question out of his mouth1)..Dr. replies, “not any more than you do sir!”

  94. WTF. This is pathetic. He can’t prove premeditation.

    Do you have a different definition than Webster….Really.

  95. Boy he missed his chance on that question. Sir have you conducted a diagnosis on the prosecutor.

    My answer:

    I have been watching you for the last few days and so I have in fact done a diagnosis. You sir are the posterior of a diarrhetic horse, except in the case of the horse it isn’t his fault.

  96. couple of different definitions of compassion, could be sympathy, twisting of words again, compassion is the empathy not sympathy

  97. Jennifer is sitting on the edge of her chair, waiting to spring up with an objection… Like a snake coiled up to strike; I LOVE her!!!

  98. Now Jm is playing the synonym game…let’s bring Websters Dictionary in WTF? Compassionate vs. sympathetic, etc)

  100. Why is he trying to make it seem there was a relationship between the Dr and Jodi………what a little jerk!!!

    • this is a mere proof to me how good Dr S’s evaluation is, so now he needs to destroy Dr S by trying to make him look like he was biased and unethical by giving her the book

  101. WHAT THE FUCK? COMPASSION IS A BAD THING? THIS ASSHAT IS A RETARDED, DISFIGURED CLOWN.

    • He’s trying to make Dr. Samuels’ compassion/EMPATHY towards Jodi look inappropriate in terms of the relationship between a doctor and a patient. JM is a sick, twisted little fucktard who makes it more and more obvious every day that he hasn’t gotten laid in a LOOOOONG time.

      Doctors who aren’t compassionate/empathetic towards their patients are those doctors that everyone HATES because their bedside manner sucks.

  102. OH LORD help us. Already. Something is wrong with that man he could be Travis’s twin. Give it to him DR.

  104. Is this trial about a murder, or a compassionate therapist.>? I am confused. Like shut the hell up. Also Judge Sherry… You are fired. we will send you your stuff. Dont let the door hit your ass on the way out,.

  106. okay… so he cannot prove premeditation, so the doctor being compassionate makes Jodi a premeditated murderer?

  108. Kermit has almost 30 years as a prosecutor and he sucks ass at times…wish the doctor would point that out!

  110. We need to give JM a pogo stick!…and one of those beanie caps with the propeller on top and a wad of bubble gum.

  111. Desperate little prick… literally.
    i would so throw a drink in his face if he was close enough.
    may he catch his privates in his zipper for making me listen to this!

  112. I’m calling it again… BUFFOONERY from the Court Nazi!!! No Soup for You, Mr. JM (per Soup Nazi from Seinfeld) 🙁

  113. I think Dr Samuels remaining calm in the face of Martinez bullshit is rattling Martinez, haha

  114. All he has is this book! NOTHING else! The rabid dog is out of its cage! Where is Atticus Finch when we need him?

    • It would do no good – JM can argue, badger and use any dirty trick he likes until he gets the answer he wants. From what I see, the judge is fine with it. I cannot believe this is a real court of law; it is sickening and a mockery of our judicial system. Ack!

      • I think the judge is listening to her soap opera through inconspicuously placed ear-buds. She seems to be out of it… Does she even have a gavel?

  116. I am thinking of littany of curses for him. All small, painful things.
    That equal how much cringing I am doing listening to this. IS THE DAMN JUDGE EVEN AWAKE, or is there a recording of “Overrulled” that the transcriber is playing!!!

  117. I seriously cannot get over how DISRESPECTFUL this little rat faced pig is. MY GOD!!!

  118. I really hate that man, no matter what anyone says. If I were on the jury, I wouldn’t be believing what he is dishing.

  119. so……………. now this is a trial about a compassionate therapist. Not a trial about anything else.

    Because the doctor sent a book, Jodi is guilty.

    I don’t want to live on a planet that allows this kind of bullshit.

  120. … This is the first time I’ve seen Kermit questioning the Dr. WTF!!!! This is ridiculous.

    I feel like this trial is bad for me becauseI feel like I’m hating the haters as much as they hate Jodi. This is not good!

    Good god, let it go with this book already…

  121. JM is SO condescending! Yikes! I wonder if the detective is actually there on his own devices or if he is court ordered? I can’t imagine JM having any authentic friends.

  122. I wish we could voice chat. I bet we would all sound VERY VERY PISSED!
    Also. I would not fault Nurmi for just hulking out on him and squashing him. HE has such control.

  123. JM is just sinking himself into a quagmire of total ignominy. Any juror who is not a turbid abuser can now see right through him.

  125. Everything seems to come back around to sex with this idiot. If he can’t get Jodi convicted of premeditated murder, he’ll argue that she’s some sexual vampire who lures everyone into her clutches. Asshole.

  126. I hope the Dr, is secretly assessing, evaluating JM’s behavior. I’d enjoy reading the report 😉

  127. The book the book see Jaun the book. Sam gave Jodi the book. What the hell. Sounds like a first grader! No pass to second grade.

  128. Is he trying to make the jury believe that the good doc had the hots for Jodi?????? Oooh she’s such a seductress, right? JESUS!!!!

    • That’s how it comes across to me. I don’t think he is only trying to say he crossed the line from evaluator to therapist. Remember the jury had the question regarding the bond Samuels has with JA. All because of JM’s tactics which in no way point to premeditated murder.

      I’m disgusted.

      • You know, Jodie, I would put money down that the ONLY reason JM is badgering this point is b/c a juror asked a question insinuating this. So… he’s using it to pound the point into whomever the dolt was who asked it. (And, sadly, that person is probably buying into it.)

    • I wonder if this is JM’s an extension/forecasting of his OWN lust for Jodi? Hmmm.

    • Yes – that is exactly what he is doing. He is hoping this will discredit the good Dr. And I’m sure at least one of the jury is falling for it (judging from the previous juror questions).

      • Unfortunately, I missed the juror questions almost entirely as I was super busy at work. I tried to read through the live blog, but got sick of all the tweets from people slamming Jodi and it pissed me off. I hope someone is good enough to compile a list.

        But seriously, if there’s a juror thinking the good happily married doc had the hots for Jodi, then that could very well be an older male who also got turned on by those dirty pics. I mean, how often (other than porn) does an old guy get to see pics like that of a sexy woman with a great bod?

  129. This is a travesty. Watching JM perform, I would have more comfort being in court for murder in a country that has no judicial law under a dictatorship.

  132. This is a three ring circus ….. what a disgrace to our court systems in America to allow this to go on. WTF this is a per-medication murder trial. Not sympathy or compassionate.

    JUAN is the worse prosecutor I have ever seen in a murder trial. Give him the Death Penalty and save us all from a migraine and wanting to jump through our computer screens to strangle him.

    He cant prove his ass from a hole in the ground. Pathetic excuse for a human being.

  133. WOW this is my first time posting but
    I seriously am experiencing a bad case
    of “VERTIGO” watching JM twirl and whirl
    like a out of control teacup at Disneyland.
    Wow this guy needs a Xanax or two!
    He may be the most annoying person I have ever seen in my life.
    period!

  134. I just had to turn the sound down a little….he is soooooooooooooooooooooooooo damn loud!! Plus I’m still at work. I am so glad reruns of NCIS are on tonight until 10:00. It will keep me from watching any of the BS on TV tonight!!!

  135. hypothetical.

    I hypothisize that the little guy, dosent get much sex. At all. He is so hateful his own hands wont touch him. Makes for many lonely showers.

  138. I think Dr. Samuels is an amazing psychologist. I must say that if I were on that jury, I would vote Not Guilty based solely on Martinez being an ass!

  139. FREE five course meal for the Dr Samuel on me tonight for putting up with this asshole JUAN……

  141. JM’s exceptionally agitated because I think he feel’s like he lost ground on the last segment from Q&A + JW’s redirect.

    The good doc should continue addressing him like a patient parent calming down a child throwing a tantrum. (Caution – could have a disastrous effect on JM’s mental status) 🙂

    • Oh you mean you don’t think he’s great, and a hot sexy older man? Don’t you want to do him?

      (Dripping with sarcasm, and apologies for making you feel ill.)

    • I think JM not only knows he’s lost ground, he knows his “expert” cannot measure up to Dr Samuel’s experience and training….and he is just plain mad. All he can do to pre-emptively cover for his “expert’s” lesser experience and training, is try to tear down Dr. Samuels.

      • It will be interesting to see what the state’s expert has to say…It would be funny if she agreed mostly with Dr. Samuels.

        • If their expert agreed with Dr. Samuels in any way.. you can bet she/he wouldnt
          be testifying .. JM knows whats he or she is going to say before they ever get on that stand.. or they wouldnt.

  143. Good lord. Been listening while I make dinner, and I have to say Martinez is being especially vile today. I didn’t think he could get worse, but he’s done it.

  144. Good Grief, I know if I were on the jury I might get kicked off or arrested for contempt of court. There is absolutely no way I could sit and listen to JM without an outburst; “Move on, for God sakes!” or “Are you friggin’ serious!? He is allowed to have feelings! How dare you use that against him!” That prosecutor is sub-human, imho.

    • You said it. I don’t care what you think somebody has done, not having compassion when you see them suffer is cold. This is why, as the Dr explained even soldiers and cops who have shot the “bad” guys suffer from PTSD.

      But then I guess a person who can see someone strapped to a gurney and have their life taken at his behest is probably not a paragon of compassion. That is the whole problem with a justice system that actually allows for the death penalty. In asking for the death penalty you are actually you are actually asking for a human being to be put to death. How can a person who willingly tries to convince people to kill another person, for whatever reason, not lose a certain part of their soul?

      Do we know if JW gets a redress after this?

      On an entirely different subject, I just saw Jodi smile. She does have a pretty smile. That could be my daughter.

      • She does, doesn’t she? Looks like she has a little dimple there in a least one cheek when she smiles. I love dimples. Always wished I had had dimples myself.

    • Honestly, if I was on that jury, I might have to try to strangle Kermit, or at least, slap him across the face.

  147. I have just diagnosed myself with an anxiety disorder JMCED… Juan Martinez cross examination disorder… I figit..snarl..bounce my knee uncontrollably and my eyes just roll around in my skull.. This man makes me insane.

  148. JM’s technique is to attack attack with stupid low blows then bring in whatever he thinks is evidence to whatever when the witness is still in shock. Jodi took it better than the doctor, but she’s had had a looooooooooong experience of verbal abuse.

    • The definition from Webster has to be a first as a grabbing at straws tactic.

      Even after the Dr. says he doesn’t feel sorry for JA, the ankle biter still uses that in questions like because you felt sorry for her ——. JW has objected for beyond scope but didn’t object to misrepresents the testimony that the witness didn’t say he felt sorry for JA.

  150. So, if the Dr didn’t disclose this where did JM get them from. Plus the Doc already said he redid this for his own reference. So how the hell does it matter.

    As a scientist/engineer I can tell you that we often re-do stuff just for our own peace of mind after reports have been handed in. We would only report the results of a reanalysis if it changed our opinion, as expressed in the report.

    • Exactly! Teeny Gnat just seizes whatever straws he happens to be able to grasp to try to paint it as something significant that it is not. What is so exasperating to me are all the gnat worshippers out there that fall for his sleight of hand and imagine that something substantial actually exists.

    • Yes, I agree. But from what I understand he did not include the self-defense story in his addendum. I have never chosen to omit subsequent information from a report.

      That said, I base my finds upon a scientific formula. I suspect there is more room from a ‘grey area’ and opinion in psychology. Maybe one of the docs in that field could shine some light?

    • Exactly Al, and based on the quantitative analysis that I have done in my career, it is not unusual to get a slightly different result every time you test, but it doesn’t change the final conclusion. The difference between 15 and 17 would be insignificant.

  151. You know I absolutely do not have any issues with blood pressure BUT whenever Juan Martinez is up for cross examining, I swear my blood pressure goes through the roof!!!

    I can’t stand how he handles himself. I am not sure how he became a prosecutor. I am an avid watcher of CSI, Law and Order, Law and Order SVU, NCIS and I do not recall that prosecutor’s in those shows have to such an a**hole. He is just on this rampage to prosecute and find Jodi guilty because that would mean another win on his personal tally keeping of winning trials. I know that Judge Stephens has never sat in on a murder trial but I think it’s ridiculous the way Judge Stephens allow such behavior in her court room. I wonder if this was staged from the JM’s side to have her as a judge so he would win favor and the trial?! It’s awful, I can’t understand how he became a prosecutor let alone a lawyer!!!!!

    THIS IS FOR YOU JM, YOU ARE NOT BEING FAIR. YOU ASK THE DUMBEST QUESTIONS I’VE EVER HEARD. YOU LOOK LIKE A FOOL SINCE IT LOOKS LIKE YOU DID NOT DO YOUR HOMEWORK TO FIND OUT ABOUT CERTAIN THINGS. PSYCHOLOGY DIDN’T JUST APPEAR RECENTLY, IT’S BEEN IN THE WORK FOR A VERY LONG TIME. YOU DON’T SEE ANYTHING EXCEPT FOR THE VISION OF YOU WINNING THIS TRIAL AT ALL COST BECAUSE YOU ARE ON A PERSONAL POLITICAL AGENDA!!!! SHAME ON YOU AS A HUMAN BEING FOR NOT WANTING TO SEE THE TRUTH INSTEAD YOU ARE ON A PERSONAL AGENDA TO GET TO THE TOP, EVEN IF IT HURTS ANYONE ALONG THE WAY LIKE JODI.

  152. Do any of you see what this ass has done TO us in just a few minutes? NEGITIVE ……sure wouldn’t want to invite him to a party…..who said he was really a nice guy?

    • It takes a special kind of hatefulness to behave like JM….if I had to behave like him to win a case…….all I can say is forget it! I would not have an ounce of self respect left after conducting myself like JM does in court.

      The haters are loving it though. I’m sure they think JM really made some points today, only because all they understand is hatefulness.

    • I think the juror confused “normal” with “common,” and Dr. Samuels corrected the person on that.

    • Can Jodi really confess to killing Travis? I ask because considering her amnesia all she really knows is:

      Travis lunged at her – the gun she was holding and pointing in his direction went off – she wasn’t sure the bullet hit him – she scrambled away from him. The next thing she remembers is being on a highway in the desert at night with a gun and knife, etc., in her car and blood on her clothes.

      She could say: Well, there was no one else there so I must have killed him. However, she doesn’t really know if anyone came into the house after hearing the gun shot – it’s unlikely someone else was came in because Travis was dead within a few minutes but she can’t swear there was no one else because she doesn’t remember anything .

      To me, she’s being tried for Travis’s death on strong, very strong circumstantial evidence. She can’t swear that she knows positively that she killed him. Even the gunshot would may not have been fatal – life changing with some brain damage probably – but not necessarily a fatal wound. How can you confess to something you can’t remember?

      • good point, she thinks she did it because everyone is telling her she did. And some of her testimony did reflect this.

      • That is exactly my point, what I’ve been saying.. and.. slash his throat… from ear to ear? Its a Mormon
        thing…

        5 days were lost, anyone could have been there in that time.

        I keep remembering Gus Searcy’s interview when he said others know something but don’t want to get involved..

  154. Judge is following up with jury about seeing or hearing about the case. I’m sure something is brewing on that end behind the scenes. IMO. Listening to some of the questions makes it obvious.

    • ya that question about writing negative things about TA because maybe there wasnt anything negative to write?? somebody’s been watching HLN or is married to a hater on the trial page! LOL ….Something is definately up with that!

    • I know the judge HAS to ask,but as I’ve said before,to me it’s just a mere formality this questioning of hers.What do they think?That someone is gonna raise their hand and say,yeah I’ve been regularly watching TV shows,surfing the net and talking to my wife/husband who actually hates Jodi ans wants to see her dead. I mean c’mon,the judge has to rely on the Jury’s good will.IMO.of course! And as hard as anyone tries to convince me of the opposite,I have the firm belief that since they were not sequestered and this trial is ALL OVER THE news,there no chance that at least one or two jurors hasnt heard or seen or read sth.

      • True. But if they get caught, I think they can get into some sort of legal trouble. They’d get dismissed, and the entire trial would be compromised.

        • I understand that.Sorry for my ignorance,but is there actually a way they could get caught?

          • Oh gosh no, not at all. I was just agreeing with your comment. I was merely stating, it is a huge risk for them to lie because they may actually be able to easily get caught. It would be a lot harder for them to separate what they learned in the courtroom and what they learned on the news. 🙂

            If they are listening to the news, I sincerely hope they get caught and Jodi is able to get acquitted because of it.

            • Yes,they’d be risking a lot by watching anything.Yet,since TECHNICALLY there’s no other way to know if they do or do not(well other than the Judge asking them)we can never be 100% sure,I’m afraid.Even if a couple of their questions echo HNL the ”guilty” juror can always say ”No,it was me doing the thinking.Purely my opinion.”
              🙁 poor Jodi,that’s all I can think of,to be honest.

          • I remember from the WM3 case, the Echols/Baldwin trial, that after sentencing a large sheet that had been used in the jury room surfaced. They had created a list of pros and cons during deliberations, and one of the items on that list was Jessie Miskelley’s confession. Problem was though that this ‘evidence’ had never been allowed or entered in the Echols/Baldwin trial. The jury members had crossed it off the list, but it was clear proof that -against the judge’s order- they HAD been watching/reading about the case and even considered this in their eventual verdict.

            So I guess it would be possible to get caught, it only takes one slip-up.

      • Today the judge inquired of the jurors before they left if they have seen any coverage, heard anything, has anyone tried to talk with them or contact them. IMO, more questions than I remember her asking in the past.

        • It wasn’t just remember my admonition, etc., she was asking them if they have seen, heard, watched, been contacted.

        • i hope she asked them because there questions for him were those spoken by HLN staff of horrible people … they were using their exact words. IF they are not sequestered then they are watching it or taking to someone who is.

  155. omygod….there will be 10 more freaking days on this at least.

    what does juan do on the weekends? I suggest checking graveyards for desecration. I Picture him eating the bones of the dead

  157. Couple things I had noted I wanted to pass on to you guys:

    Am I reading it right that Travis had only slept 45 minutes sleep the night before the incident? So he’d likely have been in a worse mood because of lack of sleep? And even more likely to snap?

    Can someone try to find out where Ashley Reed died? And what police jurisdiction the location would be? It”s not Maricopa Sheriff apparently, as they had no record. We need the incident report.

    The one and only reason for so many jury questions, IMHO, is because nobody could possibly discern the integrity of any witness testimony because of Martinez’ manipulative, deceptive, tricky, out of context, asshole style of questioning. THAT is the ONLY reason. He is DESPERATE to trip up the doctor. Where is HIS freakin’ psychology degree?

    Oh, the haters go into a tail spin when they hear something the least bit factual that spits in the eye of Martinez. I posted the motion to compel the receipts as “put up or shut up Martinez”..as we now know it was a bluff.. and hopefully he can get sanctioned for it, as Nurmi points out it’s against a discovery rule.

    Thanks for offering a kind word to me last night. I wish my toughness was more consistent! I can’t even imagine how this must be to all the family and true friends. Sorry if I don’t respond to replies on here often. Like a lot of you, I have hard time keeping up and I get sidetracked really easily….::)

    http://www.change.org/petitions/trial-by-media-is-wrong-stop-the-spin-headline-news-hln-nancy-grace-jane-velez-mitchell-jean-casarez-vinnie-politan-dr-drew

    • It ended with a sidebar – once again due to JM’s insane tactics. JM was badgering the Dr. about the book, the doc’s fabricated “emotions” and using his usual bully, b.s, has-no-evidence style of prosecution. It was sickening to watch and just as sickening in what the judge allowed him to get away with.

      Then the judge told the jury the rundown / schedule of the next 10 DAYS! And I believe they are starting at 10am on Monday. (Can anyone confirm this?)

      • Thank you Cindy…….’bout the same as when I had to leave my office! I tell you one thing 45 minutes of JM….I need a drink when I get home!!!!

  159. IF JUAN MARTINEZ was a criminal, oof, you would not want to be his victim, he would have no qualm about killing someone whether they were innocent or not. His ultimate goal would be to go for the throat and really if you were a victim, you would want him to kill you fast. Nothing would stand his way of his goal which would be to harm and kill. Ultimately, he would be caught and would need to be incarcerated for the rest of his life because he is NOT a human being, he does NOT know the definition of sympathy or compassion. This is how he is conducting himself in court. He doesn’t care if it makes sense or not he feels that if he is aggressive and goes for the throat, his ignorant ways will not be noticed. Is this what has become of the Justice in the United States?

  161. Thank you God for letting this be over for the weekend….Poor Jodi I’m sure this was so upsetting to her.
    I have never seen KN display anger like he did today.

    For Dr. S. the public will see this for what it was….@#%$^&^%$#@*&^***

    • Cindyjewell,

      I thought Dr. Samuels held his ground well. I mean when JM is cross examining anyone, even his mother, I feel like they shiver under his demonic gaze!

    • Deb,

      I hope a lot of the jury hate him, may be that will be on plus for Jodi! 🙂

      • My husband does not follow the trial, nor does he support Jodi. BUT he HATES that screaming little man…. HATES him.

        we are not the only ones….

    • I honestly do not see how any intelligent person can fall for his b.s. antics or “like” him. I feel that he insults my intelligence, insults professionals and the jury on a regular basis. He treats this as if it were a circus side-show while forgetting there are lives at stake; those of Jodi as well as her family having to live through this. And by dragging it out, it fuels even more hatred through the victim’s family and, it seems, the entire mormon community.

      • I find it impossible to believe that there are people who think he is a great pros and they agree with what he is doing. It just makes me sick. I agree with the post earlier about “if I were a juror…” I would also have screamed somethng by now.

      • Cindyp,

        I totally agree with you. I mean I don’t understand how Judge Stephens allows such behavior in her court!!! And I feel like he acts like a bull dog, bullying his way through his nasty and irrelevant questions and tactics!

  163. Another comments follower who has yet to comment, but I have to say, there is no doubt in my mind that some of the jury members in this case have been exposed to media sources for this case. I know others have previously pointed to verbatim repetitions of questions posed on HLN. I am curious about the question surrounding whether or not a bad haircut causing trauma…did anyone see the Jodi Arias spoof where the last question is asked “Do you have any regrets” and in the video she breaks down and starts crying and says, “yes my bangs!”

  164. Travis was such a dick!! This is so easy to see. JM looks defeated more than anything. Jodi is one day closer to victory. The dogacious bitch reporters and their minions can spin it all they want. It’s laughable. Be patient, Jodi. Time is on your side as these idiots dig their own grave.

      • UnderstandingOne,he sure is!!!! That’s his nickname on this site(no offence intended to frogs)

          • the credit certainly doesnt go to me but to someone else on this site,mentioning a while ago that JM looks like Kermit the Frog-I remember lmao that day reading that comment.Maybe it was MB,coz I do remember MB making another acute comparison between Florez and a dog cartoon character.
            As for JM, he does look like Kermit,RIGHT??? lol!

          • I always thought it was his voice. He sounds just like Kermit, especially the times when Kermit (the frog, not the prosecutor) loses his cool and starts freaking out. Sounds just like Martinez.

            • It’s his voice :). If you listen to him without watching, you’ll swear that you hear Kermit the Frog.

    • 14, if he wins this will be his 15th!!!! That’s why he’s doing anything to win this one. He hasn’t lost one!!!

  167. Odd question, but anyone else feel sorry for the puppy? I mean, he must miss Travis. 🙁

    To be fair, I don’t think it’s appropriate to say that the world is a better place without Travis. I think it’s a tragedy that he died.

  168. How many of you think the jury is NOT reading, watching, listening etc. I really want to be WRONG about it. When the judge asked those questions today adding has anyone approached you about this I grew more concerned. Many of the questions (IMO) parrot HLN? I want to be wrong about this.

    • I believe one way or another that they have been exposed to media coverage.It’s unlikely that they haven’t.Sad but possibly true.

    • I didn’t catch all the questions, I thought most of them were relatively thorough, sort of based on testimony. I think there are one or two jurors who would like to find her guilty, but maybe don’t have enough evidence, hence the overly harsh questions.

    • The judge allowed a high profile case to be televised AND allowed that the jury not be sequestered. I don’t think it’s fair.

      • Is it true that the jurors are not allowed to disclose to loved ones what case they are even on? So that means that the loved one could bring up the case or something relative to the case to the juror and what would the juror then do, say I cannot talk about that case? That would be a dead giveaway.

    • I dont believe the jury when no one raised there hands…. they are given to many days off who is going to be watching them you can tell me the internet and the tv and family and others that no one saw or said anything about jodi to them if I was a juror I would have to look because in court you only get so much info they have to be thinking what are they not telling me… Id be looking at everything and when asked did you I’d keep my hand down.

      • At the minimum, husbands and wives talk, mothers and daughters talk, sons and fathers, siblings talk and in a case like this, I question what the judge was thinking when she chose to unsequester this jury. Nurmi motioned for sequestering so maybe it could be a real appellate issue. I wish I had more knowledge about the higher courts. seems to me, it would have to be proven that jury members aren’t taking their duties seriously. I hope to heck I’m wrong though. Maybe Nurmi has investigators looking at the questions in conjunction with HLN coverage. But even then, they would have to prove it. ( I THINK )

        • My idiot ex-boyfriend was on a jury while we were dating, and he wouldn’t shut up about the case. I kept telling him not to talk about it with people.

    • I agree and since the questions are asked in open court they taint the entire jury and a mistrial should be declared (removal of a juror or jurors is not sufficient since the questions were heard by the entire jury).

    • JC-
      You just have to wonder, about the jury being influenced about what is going on in the media. I mean, I’ve been surprised with the support that JM has been getting from all the Jodi haters on sites and how the haters really love him and plaster his picture and words on their sites. I’ve also been really surprised by a picture of him even with one of the people on the Dr. Drew show, which really raises some significant issues.

      It seems the prosecution side can interact with the media and all but I haven’t seen any photos from Jodi’s lawyers smiling and interacting with the press or tv personalities covering this trial. I would think that the impression that can be left by glancing at these photos alone could influence jurors even more in the state’s favor since the press is so behind JM during this trial. The state should refrain from promoting this kind of PR, which is another reason that not sequestering jurors in high profile murder cases today is extremely risky. The media’s influence on shaping public opinion is greater-and goes deeper in our minds-than we often even realize.

      • He was photographed with one of the “experts” on Dr. Drew? Jodi’s lawyers have not interacted with the media from what i can tell. All we can do is hope and pray that someone notifies the judge of misconduct.

        I saw all those hero worship pictures of Juan plastered everywhere. He even accepts tips from that page. ” I wonder if we can email Juan with this and that. They watch Jodi like a stalker would such as when she took that folder to which she had every right to read. Remember the frenzy over her taking a pill too? HLN was all over it along with the haters. I think it’s none of their business what she medicine she takes and if the jail releases that info to the media like HLN wants?! I don’t think they will. I sure hope not!

      • It’s hard to conceive of ANY way that they have no knowledge of this case outside the court. I don’t see how that is possible. This just makes me sick. No trial for anyone should be handled this way. The judge, the pros… Disgusting!

  169. I think the judge may suspect something. I think that if she does, she needs to sequester the jury, but I am not sure if it will do much good if some of them are already poisoned.

  170. Ya know what, folks? Regardless of the outcome of this trial, and I certainly hope for an acquittal, even if Jodi is found guilty, there will be an appeal and THERE IS SO MUCH PROSECUTORIAL CONDUCT AND SO MANY THINGS THE JUDGE RULED ON THAT WILL BE UNDER APPEAL, that I personally would love to apply a job for and hopefully to help in such appeal. The way the Judge is handling this case to me already screams this in volumes.

      • Oh by the way, just off topic I had another funky dream.

        This time there was Sam and Dean from Supernatural, and Jodi was there with blonde hair. I was with Sam and Jodi was with Dean. Dean started going at her yelling at her; and I jumped between them, consoling him, assuring him that he would feel better in a few minutes, cool off, ect.

        I woke up and was like whaaaat? lol

        • MB,it should have been Jodi that you should have consoled in your dream,not him! Bad,bad MB,lol!

          • lol maria so true… I think placating would be a better word!

            I think it was like some kind of acid flashback going back to the days where I thought being nice to abusers would make them stop attacking.

  171. Okay, I’m listening to the questions now and I’ve heard the judge mispronounce “actor” as “act….or” and “hippocampus” as “hypocampus” twice or three times. Can someone from that part of the country tell me, are these typical accent-related pronunciations for that area?

    • Yes, I commented about hearing both ‘habbocampus,’ and ‘hypocampus.’ It could either be her pronunciation or that she was reading exactly what was written and the juror who wrote the question made the mistake. Not sure about the ‘actor’ pronunciation, probably just her accent.

      • She said hypo-campus three times that I’ve heard so far. Unless the same juror submitted all those questions, I think she doesn’t know how to pronounce it.

    • I also loathe her pronunciation of defendant … “Please note the prescence of the jury, the dee-fen-daant, and all counsel.”

  172. Time to head home. Night all! Chins up, remember what Miss O’Hara said.

    Kaleeni’cta, Maria. (My apologies if I got it wrong again! I think I spent more time studying the men and the ouzo when I was in Athens).

    And a very special Good Night to you, Tony! Can’t wait to chat again with you tomorrow, Tiger!

  173. The thing that I find most disgusting about JM is how he is trying to have a woman executed, who he knows is not guilty of 1st degree murder, just so that he can further his career. Absolutely sickening.

    • Prosecutor Martinez I heard had a hard time with a Judge when he wanted to try one of his cases as DP and the judge disagreed, he apparently positioned and wanted the Judge off the case, I would write to the Bar Association in Arizona and complain about Martinez he needn’t scream and Badger the witness.

    • simply disgusting.sacrifice a life just for a carreer.We have a proverb here that perfectly matches this situation.When someone is willing to do whatever it takes to achieve sth they want ,we say that they are ”capable of stepping on dead bodies to get it”.
      Cringing while writing it,but it’s what Kermit actually does.

    • I called Nancy’s show a while back and I was cut off when they learned that I was on Jodi’s side. Very biased and wrong to me.

    • And the thing of it is, he’s ALWAYS known it wasn’t murder one. There is NO way premeditation can be proven in this case. I don’t know if he was pressured by TA’s family and friends to pursue the DP or it is another way to further his career, in any case it is wrong.

      • tonysam,

        I do know in my friend’s case, the family was asked about the DP versus LWOP. They very much had say, but this was in different state. Not sure how much say they have in AZ. I know Juan turned down a second degree murder plea deal. I cannot imagine that he didn’t consult the family. Afterall, they get to give victim’s impact statements before sentencing.

      • I think the family had to have influenced him in seeking the DP. Remember, the family never met Jodi, and they have been fed lies about her stalking, tire slashing, email hacking, blahblahblah so I’m sure they believed all of that was true. I bet they were duped by Farty into further believing that yes, she did do all of those things. They are probably stunned at what has come out, and most likely in denial any of it is true. If that were me, and I believed all that had been said about my siblings killer, i’d be pissed at the prosecutor for not telling me everything.

    • I wonder what the entries are on his resume, and if he keeps head trophies over the mantelpiece?

    • I agree, it’s just awful. It’s like he (and Travistown) want to punish Jodi for escaping with her life. That HIS life is worth so much, that she deserves hers to be taken away for continuing to exist.

  174. One good thing that came out of today….I think the jury had a chance to hear Dr.Samuels speak to their questions uninterrupted and therefore form an appreciation for his experience and intellect. The judge seemed to give the Dr time to explain his answers when she was reading the juror questions. I don’t see how they could not like him after their questions were answered so clearly and thoroughly.

    THEN in jumps Kermit! They must see what Kermit is trying to do…I think his tactics are pretty transparent by now. At least some of the jurors must be turned off by Kermit.

    • Kitty,

      JM only objects, when he feels like things are not on his side so thus, he objects for whatever reason but with that said, I think it’s unfair that Judge Stephens seems to side more with JM than Jodi’s defense. I am standing firm on the belief that Judge Stephens, though she had never judged a murder trial got his JM picked her out!

      • I agree. For the most part the judge does seem to side more with JM…I was just talking about the period of time while the DR was responding to the questions read by the judge. When being questioned by the defense, you are right, JM constantly interrupted with objections and of course when JM questioned the Dr, he wouldn’t allow the Dr. to answer completely.

  176. I’m thinking the jurors are playing very close attention to the Judge and how she sustains and overrules objections. I’m not fond of this Judge.

    • Jurors usually do. They see the judge as the overseer and the one who ensures there is order in the court.

  177. Just read on hater’s site, spectators had to be removed from the courtroom because they were saying loud enough for people to hear they were hoping JA gets the death penalty. I think they should be held in comtempt of court and banned. Courts are suppose to be open to the public, but these people in the gallery are getting carried away.

    • Sounds like C Anthony’s hysteric crowd was just bussed in after their release from an overloaded mental ward.

      • The report I saw said that the offending woman was sitting in the second row, directly behind JA’s mother and JA’s mother didn’t hear it nor did the ladies sitting directly behind the offending woman. A JA supporter told JA’s mother what was said & that’s when everyone around them heard it for the first time.

    • Yeah, at one point the camera panned the gallery where Jodi’s mom sits and the people behind her were laughing and carrying on like they were at a circus. I mentally throw up every time I see Drew’s juror. Sometime after that I made a decision not to watch the prosecutor’s berating. I knew it would be the same old same old. He exudes something so dark. I feel he is abusing all the witnesses.

  178. And I have to say, if I it was someone I cared about who had been killed, I would be really pissed if the conviction was overturned or if there was a mistrial because of inappropriate gallery behavior.

    • The judge needs to pay attention to the activity in the whole court room. Most judges, especially in a case like this, are very observant and strict, even admonishing spectators and jurors and warning of consequences of breaking rules. And following thru…judge needs to make an example out of someone if necessary to get the point across re courtroom decorum.

      I’ve never seen a trial where people are allowed to talk and eat and drink (other than water). Weird. Some of the spectators are acting like they are at a social gathering.

      • Totally agree. Never seen so many cell phones and IPads in a court room. That would not happen in my state. Not even allowed to bring water into the court room.

        The judge has no control……

        18 jurors and you tell me that not one of them is watching tv. or surfing the net or getting text messages from friends about this case? I am not buying that for a minute. This is a DP case and should be taken very seriously.

        Acquittal or Mistrial coming our way.

    • He might have competitors in AZ, selling insurance for both before and after the world ends.

  182. Like a lot of others here, I can’t stand listening to JM as he badgers witnesses. Thing is, he didn’t write the playbook he’s using. Most of the way he handles witnesses is textbook, at least for certain types of prosecutors.

    For instance, the way he asks “Isn’t it true that….?” really bugs me, but I’m sure he was taught that at some point. It’s hiding a statement inside of a question, and at the same time calling into question the credibility of the person he’s questioning if they disagree with him. Even if it is, in fact, not true, he’s scored his point. And that’s just one of the many tactics that come out of that unfortunately all-to-common playbook.

    I recently read a book by Vincent Bugliosi, who many consider to be the best prosecuting attorney in the country. And even in his book he wrote in that style. He was sarcastic and belligerent, even in his writing. It was like being yelled at on every page. I plowed through the book, because I was interested in the topic, but I wasn’t sad to finally get to the last page.

    So, like I say, I don’t like the way JM conducts himself in a courtroom, and if I lived in Mesa county I’d be ashamed that he is represented me. But I don’t think what he’s doing is anything unusual. Sadly.

    • Sadly, I bet you are 100% correct. I wonder if it was always like this. A lawyer writes about the nancy grace affect and that prosecutors have changed their style with the advent of court TV. So I thought this behavior was something new. At this point, ( dont kill me for saying this anyone) but Juan makes Ashton look “compassionate”. LOL

      • I agree…Ashton was a big pouty baby when things didn’t go his way, but Kermit takes it to a whole other level.

    • Yes, Michael, but Martinez is using much more than ‘Isn’t TRUE that…’ or even ‘I didn’t ASK you blah blah blah’.
      He is incessantly bashing the witness with vile allegations then interrupting the answers, putting words in the witness’ mouth then interrupting again, until the witness is in a state of shock over the abuse,
      all of it with NO COURT INTERVENTION.
      Then he brings up immediately some other point he wants to make the witness agree to quickly.

      That is BRAINWASHING a witness.

      If that is customary and taught in the prosecutors training book, and not listed as MISCONDUCT, I’m outa here.
      I bet Martinez would be good at obtaining false confessions from innocent people.

      And THAT COURT IS ALLOWING THIS TO GO ON.

      If we were a boot camp, fine, but even THERE it is closely supervised.

    • Bugliosi was NOTHING like JM in court back in his day though. He was determined to bring out the truth, and his biggest claim to fame was the Charles Manson case, because he was successfully able to connect the murders and show that Manson was behind them. Here’s one example of how he examined a witness in that case: http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/manson/mansontestimony-w.html There are some other excerpts here: http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/manson/mansontestimony.html

      Sure, Bugliosi’s books have become more and more aggressive in his writing style over the years, but that just wasn’t the way court was conducted back then.

      • Good points, AA (I always like your posts). I’ve never seen Bugliosi’s questioning during the Manson trial, I admit. I do notice that your examples here, though, are all direct questioning. I’d like to see how he cross-examined during that trial.

        I did see him during the mock trial of Lee Harvey Oswald that was put together by the BBC, and while he was nowhere near as belligerent, sarcastic, confrontational, etc as Matinez, he still rubbed me the wrong way.

        Anyway, don’t get me wrong here. I’m not condoning Martinez’s behavior or courtroom style. I can only sit back and marvel at it. I will be far more pissed off at the jury if they fall for it. It’s one thing for the empty talking heads and their brain-dead audience to show their ignorance by convicting Jodi on the internet and on tv. But it’s quite another if the jury takes their duty so lightly that they would convict her based on the “evidence” that Martinez has presented. It would just be one more reason – along with Jan Brewer and Sheriff Joe – to avoid the state of Arizona like the plague. (No offense to the intelligent Arizona residents who are posting here. I live in Texas, so I can sympathize with your plight!)

  184. I just caught up reading all the post, and I am not sure if I am looking forward listening to Kermit (just now watching rest of trial). Then again, I got some laughs from all of you. Your all great. lol

  186. I didn’t get to hear all of today, I only got the first part which sounded to me like the jury believes the good Dr, wanting more explanation. I am a truck driver, so unfortunately I am stuck with the only way I get to hear the trial is HLN (hang liberty network) for my coverage on satellite radio. Are they even listening to the same trial!!???!!! Oh they make me so mad!! F** jackwagon f*cktard asshats…..

  187. Geez Martinez, no need to parse semantics here; compassion as a GENERAL state of being in his profession… wow… still trying to cast aspersions on any positive feeling he may have towards Jodi.

    I’m like sheesh. Martinez could sure benefit from rereading that dictionary definition a couple times himself!!!

    • He could read it a hundred times, MB, and it wouldn’t make any difference. Juanny Boy’s ego is too big and his skull too thick for anything resembling “compassion” to ever have a chance of burrowing in. He’s a lost cause!

  189. To her lawyers … please concentrate of two things one is the crime scene and where and how it took place. the width of the space, was very thing, the way the door of the shower would open and in the way of the both she and him. Also please focus on the fact that if one doesnt have a memory anyone who is telling her over and over again this is what happened. will be what she might believe. as she said, and please repeat her words, I must have that is what people keep telling me and so I must have done it. Please show she isnt able to remember so much that she has been talked into confessing. ok?

  191. I didn’t watch a minute of the trial today. I didn’t JM want to ruin my peaceful zen-like state of mind. I don’t see how this man has gotten so many convictions? Although I believe Jodi is innocent of the charge of Murder 1 or 2 I don’t think Martinez’s low-life tactics could have gotten Hitler convicted!! Is he finally done with the doc? At any minute I expected him to, after realizing he’s making an ass of himself, charge the witness stand, slap the doc with gloves and challenge him to a dual!! I hope the defense is more respectful to the rookie psychologist that the State puts on. To calmly and politely point out that there is no way in hell she can challenge a doctor with 40 yrs experience. It would be a good contrast for the jury to see.

    • She really is a baby doc, isn’t she? I didn’t realize she got her Ph.d only 5 years ago.

    • I know the feeling Gwen.
      He makes me sick to watch him, LITTERLY!!
      The defense does not treat the others this way.

      Jose was even ALMOST nice at cross examination.
      This man sucks!

  192. Just now watching Kermit for today and amazing how he goes off and doesn’t even address the Jury’s questions.

  193. Why doesn’t the defense team admit the psychiatrist reports to back up the psychologist diagnosis ? Or was she tested again in jail by the psychiatrist ( anxiety medication, ant-depressants, and tranquilizers)? How long after being in jail was she given all this medication? Tranquilizers can mess with your memory? Anti-depressants can make your suicidal.

    • Anti-depressants DOES NOT make everyone suicidal. Do not make such a blanket statement about folks who need Anti-depressants to function daily!!!!

      • I don’t think there was a blanket statement. Just said that they CAN make one suicidal. That’s true.

      • I stated ” they can ” make you suicidal! And I didn’t state ” EVERYONE” .

        Thanks MindyK for reading the post correctly.

        • Then you should have said……anti-depressants may cause suicidal tendencies in SOME folks. Yes MindyKS…it was a blanket statement. FUJuan ….just what do you know about anti-depressants and it’s affects on folks???

          BTW……..Jodi was suicidal BEFORE she was arrested!!! There is a higher risk in patients 18 to 25 on anti-depressants ….Jodi was 28. Basically her suicidal thoughts were due to the event….. not medication.

    • How do we know Jodi is on medication like that? did i miss something? Is this because of the pill she took?

      • JC,
        During the Dr’s testimony, he said that Jodi told him that while since in jail, at some point she had anxiety meds,and anti-depressants. This would be prison record, so easy to prove.

  195. Greetings and salutations, everyone. I’ve been following this site for a couple weeks and finally decided to stop being a voyeur and join the fray. I work full-time and haven’t been able to watch the trial, but I read the news updates every day.
    I don’t believe TA’s murder was premeditated, at least not on Jodi’s part. I still don’t fully understand how she could have done it alone. I feel there had to be someone else involved.

  196. So I am confused about the Matt McCartney thing. Did he turn states witness?
    It sounds like at the beginning of the case she felt he would never betray her, he was
    a good loyal friend and by the end of her time on the stand she says that he used to
    be or she thought he was. Did they threaten him with perjury after
    the magazine and so is now going to say she asked him to lie in the magazine?

    • I have no idea but I bet that’s a darn good guess. Juan and all his comments make me wonder too. ” are you sure he’s your friend”?

      • Nevertheless,

        when he posted here he said he told investigators he would lie for jodi so hopefully, IF he did turn on her, his entire testimony can be discredited.

        • Maybe he was going to testify but when the magazine came out
          the defense dropped him and the prosecutor is making him testify.

  197. If I were on the prosecution side, I’d be fucking embarressed. Plain and simple. There is no pretending that Juan Martinez is a brilliant attorney. His lines of questioning are irrelevant, and he can’t articulate his point without screaming and devolving into badgering beligerance.

    Just because he wins cases based on emotional appeal, does not mean those wins speak for his record positively. And just because he can appeal to emotion does not mean he is a good attorney. As others have been so kind of mention, the facts are the facts and there is no need to convince or manipulate if they stand up to scrutiny. Period, the end. Bamboozling to win cases is so unethical, people’s lives and constitutional rights hang in the balance.

    And now NG on there cheering him on, “oh look at him go!” Right, look at him go where? To the lowest level of manipulative bullshit he can? Damn, really? This is the standard of which you set for being a good lawyer? Why don’t we just drag any abuser off the street and let them have a go then?

    • You are right, MB., he isn’t brilliant. Heck, he isn’t even that smart. I think his appeal to some is in his “pit bull” behavior. That’s all he has to fall back on, cause he surely ain’t that smart. No offense to pitt bull lovers 🙂

  198. I posted this on the other page: The Flores Report, but it seems like not many of us are going over there too much. I understand that there has not been a lot discovered but… while reading this sight, you have to admit there are a LOT of unanswered questions and things that just do not make sense. I have a question regarding this;

    In the t.v. shows (like Law & Order, The Good Wife) when a defendant is on trial, and they know he/she is innocent, they have another attorney or investigator looking for evidence that another person may have done the crime that their client is on trial for. So my question is – if any evidence IS found that roommates are covering up, Dustin may have been involved on some level, etc. would they even be able to introduce that into the trial? Or is it set in stone that Jodi is the one and only? Does anybody know about these kinds of laws and what could happen in that case? Thanks.

    • Nurmi tried to bring Ashley and her husband into it but got shut
      down quickly. I wonder if he’s not allowed to do that
      because she conceded guilt.

    • If the defense has witnesses for their side, and they interview them and find they have something to add to the case, they add them to the witness list. They can have as many witnesses as they want. My feeling is that they have talked to every single person they can to help Jodi, and if they haven’t added them or supeoned them, then they either have nothing to add, or else it is not worth “opening the door” to the Pros. crossing them.

  199. I don’t think any new evidence at this point can be introduced Since Jodi Arias has claimed she did it. From the report their are many oddities with the roommates etc. But Jodi Arias has told so many different stories whether she was compelled to by her attorneys or PPL she changed her story I think in December 2011 she admitted to killing him in self defense, I really do not understand this case on many levels The Friends and Roommates find him and they state right away Jodi Did it that’s strange since he was a big guy and what would make them say that right away. The Roommate sounds strange don’t know. There is more to the story then we are told. The girls sounded strange. The evidence is very peculiar did they dust for other prints,

    • It was actually only one person that mentioned Jodi, (its just that so many friends have SINCE said they suspected her) The girl on the 911 call, I believe it was Mimi, said Jodi after the operator asked if he had any enemies. She answered that he had an ex gf that had been bothering him and named Jodi. As far as prints, they dusted but since the roomates, friends and Jodi were all there so often, that can’t show much. The only time I heard anyone (police) mention prints was regarding the handprint in the hallway in blood.

  200. I really wish Jodi had told the truth from the beginning. I feel like the fact that she made up a fake story is definitely working against her. I can understand how scared she was. Although I’ve never been involved in something so traumatic, I remember years ago I hit my car on a pole which put a dent in it. I was so petrified of what my mom would say (even though I paid for the car myself, I was still scared of her reaction), I made up a fake story that someone else hit my car. She eventually found out I was lying (apparently I was terrible at it lol). I know it’s not really the same thing, but my point is that I can understand how one could make up a fake story when they are scared to face the consequences of what they did.

    Also, I hate how people are still trying to make Travis out to be this perfect man. I know he’s dead, but based on phone conversations, texts, etc. that were displayed in court, I definitely think he was abusive. My ex said a lot of similar hurtful things to me and he was emotionally abusive. Like Jodi, I just kept staying with him and letting him use me, despite how he treated me. I’m glad JW brought this up again today, but I do wish it was more of a topic in the court.

    • Britney
      Nice Post, Abuse is accepted still and Yes Travis did abuse its a shame she did not have a support group. Many people stay with someone because they hope the original relationship that brought them together would continue, Abusers are very manipulative and perhaps the abuse itself takes a toll on you so you are weekend I am glad you got away from your Ex you sound like a very honest smart person.
      I think Dr.Samuel’s was excellent and brought up the fact of self respect to gain back your self esteem. He is a excellent psychologist.

      • Thank you. 🙂 Yes, I am glad I got away from my ex as well. Although, it was 5 years too late, but better late than never. 😛 You are definitely right though. That is why I stayed with him because I thought he might change. He was very sweet and charming in the beginning, so I kept thinking he might revert to that, but he never did. He criticized me all the time and said some really hurtful things. I also stayed with him because I didn’t think I would ever find someone else. (I’ve actually been single since the breakup a year and a half ago, but I’m okay with that for now). At least I learned from the relationship though. I definitely agreed with Dr. Samuels testimony today regarding Jodi and Travis’ relationship.

        • Britney
          You are a very strong person and it is good to wait rather then jump into another relationship which shows enormous strength, with much talk of abuse and disregard for the feelings of another, I do believe that what does not kill us makes us stronger. With suffering comes a depth of knowledge and wisdom unattainable to those who do not suffer from hurting others it is proof of our humanity, Perhaps The Catholics got that right in regard to suffering and there being Holy Ground.

    • Great post. I’m so glad Dr Samuels mentioned that Jodi was on her way to see another man, hopefully the jury will make a mental note of that. The most dangerous time for a woman in an abusive relationship is when she is trying to leave. Jodi had moved away, was getting back to her old self, found a new potential romantic interest; and for all intents and purposes slowly distancing herself from Travis.

      I’m glad you got away from that abuser!

  201. Interesting Book The God Makers a woman reviewed this she used to be a Mormon

    She says
    Also anyone who goes through the secret rituals of the temple can tell you it’s a very shocking experience, whether you believe in it or not. In the temple among many things, I had to promise secrecy with a bloody oath. I drew my thumb across my throat as if my throat was being slit, and I drew my thumb over my abdomen indicating that my bowels would be cut out. I also was angry to learn that someday when I married, my husband would be my way to the Celestial kingdom. In the 80’s at BYU we were taught that a woman could only go as high as her husband. (I don’t know whether this is still taught or not because many doctrines are changing.)

  202. I personally think Jodi had a very abusive, horrific childhood and was more than likely victimized at an early age, her entire life. I hope she gets off.

    • I agree don’t like her parents although the Mother sits in the Court Room she has spoken badly about Jodi To cover up their own abuse, I do not see much support from her family. We all know if our sister brother daughter etc were on Trial we would be in the Court Room just Jodi’s Mother and Aunt quite strange.

  203. Does anyone know if Dr. Samuels (sp) is their only expert? Is he all we got? I guess that’s my main question, what’s up our sleeve next??? If anyone knows…..

    • They have one more witness, a domestic violence expert. She will be on next week.(if things are on time) After that, the pros will cross her, there will likely be more jury questions, and then the state has their own(rebuttal) expert witness, a female psychologist.

      • That’s good to hear. I’m kind of on the fence about the good Dr. Hopefully this DV expert can put a nice pretty bow on top to wrap things up for us! =)

        Thanks for the info!

        • Lets see how Kermit treats this next witness and how it will go over with her being female

  204. Just want to add a few comment about the picture of a smiling Juan Martinez with Katie Wick, on Facebook. Ms. Wick is apparently a member of Dr. Drew’s “jury” in this case that reports back on the show what has been happening in court, what the jury might be thinking, and other observations. I find it offensive and unfair that the prosecutor could be allowing himself to be involved in this kind of PR during an ongoing trial. I didn’t know that prosecutors are allowed to be interacting like this with people from media shows during trials. It just doesn’t look good, and you don’t know what comments might be exchanged, or if the jurors see this and see the person in the courtroom later on television as well as in a photo op with the prosecutor. ‘Makes me wonder how this promotes a fair trial; rather it appears to be promoting one side against another, in this case, for Travis’ against Jodi, and for Juan Martinez’ own agenda of getting the death penalty he wants so badly in order to win his case.

  205. I posted this comment on YouTube, but I share it and my own latter commentary with you all here because it’s relevant to the end of today’s circus:

    “As to his questioning of Dr. Samuels re: the book he sent Jodi, Martinez is like unto a man whose house is on fire, with flames licking out of all the windows, but he hath discovered a grasshopper on his front lawn and spendeth the next six hours trying to chase it down and kill it.”

    You may slay the grasshopper, Juanito, but your fucking house lies in smoke-filled rubble. And when you go to the insurance company, holding the dead grasshopper between thumb and finger, and say, “Behold – the grasshopper,” the insurance company is going to say, “Behold, why did you not put out the fire in your house? Get away from me, thou dumb and useless servant, and deal with thy grasshopper in whatever manner you will.”

    Sorry if that sounded like Jesus. Or a Mormon.

  206. I love how during sidebars, Martinez stands there slump-shouldered and with his hands in his pockets like a wetback standing outside a thrift shop waiting for the tamale wagon to roll into town. God help us.

  208. Martinez’s style does not bother me in the least. It is effective as is evidenced by his 30 years as a prosecutor. He is just as passionate about his side of this case as the defense attorneys are of theirs. He truly believes that Jodi pre-planned and executed a cold blooded murder of an innocent man who is being trashed by the defense to save her life. It is righteous indignation and the state is entitlted to a vigorous prosecution.

    It is up to the defense team to overcome his strategy. This is the big league, these are all seasoned trial attorneys and they know what to expect. And as the old saying goes, ‘if you can’t stand the heat, get out of the kitchen’, meaning here that if you can’t handle the prosecutor, don’t take the case. They took the case and are playing the game very well. Martinez’s job is to make it very difficult for the defense and to win for the state. The defense’s job is to create reasonable doubt in the mind of one juror. Neither side has to be nice to the other or to the witnesses that they are trying to destroy. This is the way of trial.

    Courtrooms are not happy places.

    Try not to focus on your hatred of Martinez and his courtroom style, he is doing his job. He believes that he is trying to put a murderer on death row in accord with state law which he is duty bound to uphold.

    I just do not dislike him for doing his job or for not being kind and sweet to hostile witnesses. I like a pit bull prosecution, it makes it all the more rewarding when you defeat them.

    • I despise uncivil behavior in all forms. I also think that ridiculous grandstanding in the courtroom lowers the level of practice, insults the intelligence of jurors, and reinforces negative stereotypes commonly held about lawyers. Slouching toward Idiocracy.

    • I don’t think anyone expects the courtroom to be a happy place. Or for Martinez to be nice. That was never the point.

      I do, however, expect a standard of professionalism that should reflect his responsibility to serve the public, who is paying him via their taxdollars. At the very least, he should be coherent, to the point, and be able to argue a clear case without dissolving into beligerant abusive bullshit.

      I would expect that that with him being a lawyer, that he should hold a modicum of respect for the Constitution and not steamroll people into the death chamber just to secure a conviction for the state. So you’re telling me that it’s his job to secure a conviction, even if it’s wrong? To manipulate via appeal to emotion and any underhanded tactic, so long as he wins? Wow, just wow.

      No, I don’t think this is normal or appropriate for our justice system at all; in fact just the suggestion that it is, is alarming to me. I would have hoped that our society wants better standards in our courtroom than what we would find in a gladiator arena.

      • Ditto MB.

        Exactly what does it say about people in this country if we think it is just fine to lie to get a conviction?

        Because, make no mistakes, Martinez IS LYING AS A PROSECUTOR.

        Call it what it is.

        Truly despicable and disgusting.

        Lady justice would not be happy about the way things have gone.

      • Thank you, MB, for this awesome rejoinder. Agree wholeheartedly with the prudent wisdom you have ecpressed.

    • Please…he’s an asshole in the courtroom, plain and simple. No one expects a prosecutor to be kind and sweet to defense witnesses, but to be outright hateful and accuse a witness of being sexually attracted to the defendant is disgusting. As much as I didn’t agree with the prosecutors in Casey Anthony’s case, Linda Burdick was always a professional and Ashton’s shitty moments don’t hold a candle to Martinez’.

      And he’s a jerk to his OWN witnesses!

    • What people do not realize that are unacquainted with the Law, is that many Prosecutors are only interested in winning their case and will do anything just to win. The State always has many many more resources then any individual including OJ Simpson, This prosecutor resorts to very sleazy behavior with regard to the Arias case ,he twist facts, misquotes and screams incessantly. Martinez has made it glaringly obvious that he is not interested in the truth wants her dead. Every citizen of this country should be very alarmed at the propaganda machine of the Media which is out of control and a courtroom that resembles a low class Bar Room Brawl .The law should be a search for the truth Martinez is not interested in the truth. The reason that the Jury seemed to be asking so many questions that the Prosecutor should have and may have asked is simply due to the fact that Martinez interrupts constantly, does not ask questions in a coherent fashion, and badgers the witness to a point that most sane people find completely unnecessary to say the least. Martinez just screams rants and raves H, he is not clear in his cross examinations ,his questions are monologues, and resemble closing arguments. He has a Johnny one note emotion, RAGE. This rage is understandable if it were presented in its true context, but when it is a constant ingredient with every word he utters it looks phony and just plain uncivilized. As a great Man once said, its fine to be emotionally moved, but humanly impossible to be emotionally moved all the time, you look like a phony. This is an easy case for the Prosecution but Martinez, with the help of a very inexperienced Judge who never was involved with a Capital Case, has turned this into a Circus Freak Show. I do not see the point in Martinez slandering screaming at the Dr. Samuel’s he comes off as a Nasty little man who may be compensating for his lack of height. Also his inferior intellect and verbal skills compared to Dr. Samuel’s will ultimately destroy his eagerness for a Death Penalty. Dr.Samuel;s is not on trial , and from all the remarks made by Anti Jodi Arias people they find the Martinez, too unprofessional and unethical. The cases he won in DP anyone could have won. In short Martinez is a buffoon.

    • The man ISN’T doing his job! I do not expect him to be kind and sweet to anyone, much less to hostile witnesses. Being kind and sweet, in fact, has nothing whatsoever to do with his job. His job is to prosecute as best he can using honest evidence.

    • thank you Jeff I just read it. I think it is very well possible things like this do happen more often then we think. I am starting to wonder how hard it is to receive a fair trial. How many trials have been unfair without even going noticed as unfair trials? Isn’t it upon the state to provide a fair trial? Is it even possible to provide a fair trial without more surveillance of the whereabouts of the jury during trial and deliberation without having them sequestered in this day and age of media coverage?

    • very appalling.

      Maybe there should be lie detector tests done on people chosen for death penalty cases. The forewoman probably went with a purpose…

    • AMAZING! !! This is what im afraid will happen with this case: “One claimed that when she brought up points for the defense, she was shouted down by other jurors and told by the forewoman that she had no right to speak because she had slept through the testimony.”

  210. TA’s FB is now promoting more blue ribbons in protest of supporters being told to remove their Travis ribbons in court (which the family refused to do) Now the supporters are encouraging everyone to wear blue to court on Monday to support Travis. They are promoting a ‘ sea of blue ‘ in the gallery in support of Travis. Apparently blue was his favorite color.

    What is wrong with these people??? A court of law is not a venue for demonstrations or holding a memorial. And of course today someone sitting behind Jodi’s mother had to be removed for announcing that she wanted to see Jodi die. The judge needs to clamp down on some of this behavior.

    I hope they have metal detectors in that court house. That brother of Travis’ almost seems unbalanced the way he glares and sneers at Jodi and the defense witnesses and attorneys. Grief is one thing (and if the family needs grief counseling they should find counseling) but acting out in court is inappropriate. I think they feel emboldened to act the way they do in court because of all the media that’s hanging around them and fanning the flames of hatred.

    That being said, I have to say I do feel for Travis’ family and I also feel for Jodi and her family. I just think the family would be better served by not having so much hatred heaped upon their grief and by showing some control in the court room.

    • Reminds me of spectators in a stadium.

      The judge should not allow it. That is ridiculous.

      I hope they have metal detectors too..

      What the hell is wrong with people???

    • I have been concerned myself about Jodi’s safety in that court. There are a few people that glare at her with such disdain that it concerns me if they think the verdict is not correct. I do feel really sorry for both families in this case and pray for them daily.

      However some if these tactics IMO interfer with Jodi receiving a fair trial. I know there are so many out there that think she does not have a right to a fair trial or to a defense council, or even food. And complain on how much this is costing them. She did offer a plea deal but they decided to go for the DP instead.

      That really scares me and I ponder on how much the media circus is stirring the pot on the hatred that is brewing. I will admit that though I was not a Casey Anthony hater I just did not follow the trial back then. I will be honest and say I just saw clips and never thought much about it. But when people were calling on the death threats for the Jury in the CA case I had to really question my own stupidity here. I looked at the case w/o the media goggles and saw that the State overcharged her and did not prove their case. Why all the hate for a jury that make the correct decision based on the evidence in front of them. The blame if any should lie on the State IMO.

      I came into this case late but knew not to listen to the media anymore. Lesson learned here. I actually was not watching the news channels on this case and did not even know about the trial or case until 2 weeks ago I think. I tend to Tivo most of the shows I watch so that is probably why I knew nothing on this case. However when I saw the 48 hours show one night nothing on that show set rght with me, Nothing really made sense in the charges nor some of the shady information surrounding this case. Honestly it still does not. When I looked into some evidence on the net and found that tape in TA’s own words that is all it took for me to support Jodi here. I saw and heard from his own mouth the abuse he had inflicted on her. I learned early on those other sites just rip you apart and I find it refreshing to come here and see such insightful well thought out comments. As much as I try to avoid the hatred they disgust me with the snarky comments about Jodi and post stupid pictures on twitter of things photo shopped about Jodi. That are just as sick as some of the things TA said. I know he is not here but he left so much media that speaks to who he really was and not them person they parade around on any talk show they can find. I still say there is some cover up on a lot of things and we may never know sadly.

      I can understand the grief of some in this case but I do not understand them actually wanted to watch her die as was a comment I think in court by a person sitting near Jodi’s mom. How sick is that.

      Also, at some point it is healthier to release some of this anger or it will interfere with your own recovery or grieving process. There are some very impressive family members I have seen in other cases that show a lot of class and make me consider my actions and try to do better. I wished I could find the one case that touched my heart the most and maybe I can find it. It wa a case at least over 10 years ago or more. It was a daughter that was fighting the State on not giving the defendant the DP based on her father’s Christian love for others and she knew that is not what he would of wanted. The State went on to pursue the DP and she was cautioned often in court to be careful in her testimony about her own feelings or they would hold her in contempt. Thankfully the man that broke in their home and killed her father brutally and attacked her was given life. She even was able to give the man a Bible that belonged to her father. This family member showed so much grace toward her father’s killer in that case that it changed my mind about the DP. Everyone “talks” about anti-bullying but is the treatment of others in this case teaching our children anything. If not it could be giving them a green light. It makes me think we are no more evolved that the days of the Salem Witch trials. Anyways that is my rant of the morning and got it out of the way.

      I do really appreciate the hard work team Jodi does here and you all are taking action rather than resorting to such vile pure hatred. I just wonder who is next on the their list of a media “witch hunt”.

    • What’s funny is that I’m pretty sure that green was actually his favorite color. I forget the reason why the family didn’t go with green ribbons, but blue was his next-favorite.

      • That IS funny (ironic) – perfectly apropos, though, in sense that most of those supporters glom on to whatever piece of information they FEEL supports their pre-determined mindset without regard for whether the information is fact or fiction.

  211. Someone alluded to the fact yesterday afternoon that the judge was looking into the fact that someone jury was looking at media. Is this true? If it is found to be true….what happens?

    • I would think that at a minimum that juror would be dismissed. As far as it causing a mistrial…I don’t know. Maybe one of our people who have more knowledge about the law can answer.

      • Individual jurors get dismissed all the time and are easily replaced by one of the alternates. The only way there would be a mistrial at this stage would be some massive across the board misconduct on the part of so many jurors that the judge felt an impartial jury panel can not be assembled.

  212. Folks,

    A sort of end of the week cumulative assessment of the situation. Here’s how I see the case at this stage, not withstanding JM’s rantings. I can only hope that the Jury sees it the same way:

    1. Jodi has acknowledged she killed TA. So the only issue now is whether or not it was premeditated.

    2. The only case that JM has been able to make for premeditation is the theft of the handgun from her grandparents, the gas cans, her turning her phone off and the dyed hair.

    3. There is now ample evidence of the fact that TA was abusive to Jodi.

    4. The Dr., regardless of his sloppiness at times has pointed out to the jury that the memory loss is an explicable part of human behavior.

    5. The Dr has also provided the foundation to allow the defense to argue that certain actions as they relate to this crime scene do not apear to be the actions of a person who had coldly planned this event.

    6. The doctor also provided the defense the foundation that allows them to explain that Jodi’s journal entries actually reflect her nature and when coupled with the torn out pages show that she was in fact in a great deal of turmoil due to TA.

    So all told, at the end of the week I think the defense is sitting in a good position. I have no idea what happened with the Walmart and Tesoro stuff, etc, but I don’t know whether that matters. I believe that the way to counter their psychiatric expert lies in confronting her with the facts presented during the first part of the doctor’s testimony and leaving it there.

    I will iterate a point I made earlier. I am worried about the sequence of the shot and that damn throat wound. Maybe the throat wound can be explained by using Dr Samuels’ explanation of the chemical imbalance caused by the sudden acute stress. The shot sequence is a different story. There is some argument JM has up his sleeve that relies on that shot coming last. Maybe it goes to depraved killing or something. Whatever it is, it’s important enough to the state that 2 state witnesses have now willingly perjured themselves about this issue. JM is going to argue something about this, and to date the defense has done absolutely nothing to counter that argument. It needs to be done.

    I don’t believe that JM has proven premeditated murder. But I’ve been doing some research and AZ’s death penalty statues allow for a number of aggravated circumstances that can lead to a DP. We have two major ones charged here, but I also gather that AZ allows the inclusion of extra charges during Jury Instruction, and some of them can lead to a DP.

    So I would feel a lot better if the defense can handle the bullet/shot issue. nThere’s nothing they can do with any of the other items. They’ve had Jodi testify, they’ve had JM testify (I know, I know a lawyer isn’t supposed to testify, but he has) and now it’s up to the jury as to what they believe there. But I think the defense can argue that even if you leave out everything Jodi said, you still don’t have proof beyond a reasonable doubt for M1. So what’s with the shot sequence?

      • The gunshot didn’t kill him. It makes no sense she would have used the gun AT ALL since the knife wounds were fatal if she shot him last.

        Flores had it right in the beginning, and Jodi’s testimony reflects that likelihood.

    • AL I do look to you for the voices of reason….do you, in your gut, think that Jodi did all of this? I understand what the Dr. said yesterday but my gut is telling me there is more to this…..

      • Cindy

        There are two answers to your question.

        1. The legalistic answer: I have not seen anything provided up as evidence to the contrary. So the only evidence we have is that this was all done by Jodi, and Jodi alone. In fact there is evidence, as provided by Dr. Samuels that given the state she was in she was probably capable of doing this all on her own.

        2. And then there is what I believe. I think she did do this all on her own. I think that the shot came first.I can see the following scenario. TA charged at her and she shot him, just like she testified. She was knocked out and winded. He got up an went to the mirror to inspect the damage, hence the aspirated blood spatter. She came to and went over to look. He started cussing and threatening. She picked up the knife, which was on the bathroom vanity. He came at her and tackled her, she started flailing away with the knife. This accounts for the impact wounds on his head and also on his back. It is supported by the impact blood spatter in that part of the bathroom. I’m sure they tussled on the floor for a bit. I believe the ceiling photo probably happened then. She got up and started moving away back towards the hallway. In fact the “dragging” picture could have happened when she stood up and his upraised arm is TA trying to grab her. I believe this part happened close to the door to the closet. She probably went into the hallway and was probably near the door to the bedroom when he accosted her again. She probably stabbed him in the chest there. He went down on all fours but was still alive and that is when she cut his throat. I believe they both had immense amounts of adrenaline rushing through their systems, which is what kept all this going. That is also what allowed her to drag the body into the shower. The rest of it, washing the body, trying to clean up etc were a case of “Oh my God, what have I done, I gotta fix this.” This probably went on till some part of her subconscious mind said, “get the Hell out of here” and she ran.

        But yes I do believe she did this all on her own. I have heard all these stories about Mormon Atonement rituals etc. I don’t really buy those. While all those may be possible, being scientist has led me to be a firm believer in Occam’s razor. That just says that the simplest hypothesis is the most likely explanation for a problem. In this particular case the most likely scenario, and the simplest to explain is the one I just outlined.

        Here’s my problem with the roommate theory. Let’s assume on of the roommates was involved. They would have had 5 days to clean up the mess, get TAs body out to the desert somewhere and go about their business. When asked why they didn’t notice his absence they would have just said they thought he went to Cancun, and didn’t know any different. If you believe that one of the roommates did it, you also have to believe that they lived in the house for 5 days with the body just lying there, with full knowledge of the fact that the body was there, and if someone came looking it would be found there. That just stretches credibility. I know there is this issue of them living there with the stench. I have no answer for that, other than maybe they are just idiots. All I can say is that if they were in on the act, and the stench started rising, and they were cognizant of the stench they would have taken that body away, or called the cops and pretended. So, no, I don’t buy that. I also don’t buy some big Mormon, PPL conspiracy.

        The thing about conspiracies is that in any event, spread out over a number of days, where evidence is collected by humans and some of that evidence is based on the recollections and reporting of humans, there are always discrepancies and other crossings of fact and assumption that can be used to concoct a conspiracy theory for just about anything. Which is why, in almost every event, there are always one or two explanations that are based on conspiracies of some kind. Its almost like the Kevin Bacon seven degrees of separation syndrome. You could probably take anyone in this world and connect him to any event in this world through just a few stretches of the imagination.

    • Well, the ME himself said that Travis MAY have been dead when he was shot. He didn’t say that it was a certainty, despite Vinnie Politan’s erroneous “reporting” to the contrary. The state of decomposition + the fact that the bullet casing could have bounced, rolled, or been kicked into the blood makes it very hard for JM to prove that Jodi shot Travis last. Hopefully Nurmi/Wilmott address this in closing.

      • Oh yes that Vinnie is a real piece of work, The clip I noticed him actually flipping Jodi over in a body slam in the after dark show was way over the top and not at all how she testified. Loved how Casey’s lawyer came in and showed them all up with a few but excellent points. All rejects from the station once known as court tv. What will they do with all these “experts” after the trial. They are probably looking for their next victim to hang just to keep this BS going.

        • And how that that Katie woman in Dr. Drew’s “jury”. She posted the pic of herself taken with Martinez, she posted that she got Flores to wave to her, she got herself a publicist, she is auctioning off signed copies (signed by the writer) of an AZ newspaper – she seems to think she is on a reality TV show.

      • The problem is, there was no blood in the head. And if someone is shot in the head, they would have huge amount of blood in the head because the meninges bleed like crazy.

        Now if the person shot, has almost bleed to death already, then there wouldn’t be any blood left to bleed into the head.

        So, the point the ME made was that, Travis may not have been completely dead, but it is certain that there was no blood left in his body to bleed into the head.

        So, the implication here is that Travis was lying on the floor almost dead, probably delirious, maybe moaning, and Jodi decided to finish him off by shooting him in the head.

        Regardless, the evidence is huge that he had considerable amount of bleeding already before the shot to the head.

        • But how can you trust the ME testimony after the motion for mistrial? His initial findings were the opposite in terms of sequencing via Flores in sworn testimony to seek the death penalty. After all that happened, I disregarded the ME testimony because imo, the state and the ME manipulated the findins to match whatever theory the state had. When Jodi said the intruders did it, Flores and the ME had a different story. When her defense changed to self defense, suddenly the sequence changed in order to get the judge to sign off on the DP.

    • The problem is the ME can’t prove the sequence of the shot and knife attacks because he admitted the state of decomposition made it impossible to prove it.

      It makes no sense given the low caliber of gun she would have shot him last. She shot him first, then stabbed him.

      Tons of reasonable doubt here.

    • Great summary Al….

      I am going to keep believing that the shot came first…I want ever forget what Jose Baez said about the physical evidence in this case…

      Jose Baez proved that theory on HLN mock trial the other night…he acted out the scene and he said, “It is the physical evidence that tells the story and the physical evidence in the bathroom proves that the shot came first.”

      Jose even said that with Jodi’s palm print being down low on the wall…that this physical evidence would be consistent of a struggle…she was falling downward when her hand touched the wall that low…

      It was said that the bullet casing could have been kicked over onto the dried blood…that with several people (roommates that discovered the body in the shower before they called 911 ) any of them could have kicked the bullet casing over onto the dried blood….

  213. I am as sure as anyone could be that wasn’t there….that as Travis was leaning over the sink after Jodi shot him, grabed the knive and came after her and that is when he screamed “kill you bitch.” She ran down the hall and somehow ended up on top of her….she got the knive away and was in fight mod.

    • I agree, I think the back slashed (they are not stabs) could be from her being on her back and trying to fight him off.

      • It’s the little things in this case that start to add up…..I also think for now Jodi feels safe where she is and has formed friendships. How sad is it that she had to endure yet another day of JM…Most likely was happy to get back to her little cell.

        • Yes to me the little things IMO cast more doubt in her case and support self dense even more. I am glad for the question that flight and fight can occur at the same time. This would explain why the crime scene was such a fight in that hallway as she tried to escape but could not and that left her with a fight.

            • Yes the slashing of the neck has always seemed to be something she would not have done. I get the gun and having to grab the knife but it just does not seem like it would be something she would have done. That Blood Attonement practice still bothers me. That whole PPL group have always given me the creeps. Well and the roommates living in that house 5 days while in and out just never sits ok with me. How could you not notice the smell, I do not want to go down that conspiracy theory train but I just think the roommates at least know more. I have always felt like that neck slashing was done by someone else.

            • I believe that there may be a few people on the jury willing to consider self-defense, but the throat slashing might be the deciding point. It is extremely rare in a justifiable homicide and I think the autopsy photo of TA’s neck will be too much…..

      • I have often thought that very same thing. Would make sense if he was on top of her to get him off. There was a fight in that hallway for sure.

        • I read that the knive wounds were not stright on as if someone was in back of you…..and if you look at the clusters of wounds on the back and his head they would have been deeper if she was in back of him. The gun shot didn’t kill him the stab wound to the heart did….I’m not buying Jodi did the rest…..

      • I can see it all when I close my eyes….them fighting over the knive Jodi getting it and just start slashing away….feet, hands, back, head, ………perhaps he got off from her and she just stab him in the chest……Ok God help her to never remember…..

        • I agree! As for why so many wounds, if you are scared for your life and the much heavier/stronger guy just keeps going, you keep fighting. JBM’s gun expert stated that with a 25, not only could it have easily have gone off without much effort, the person shot may not go down/be incapacitated even after several shots. Further, Jodi’s grandpa’s gun had hollow point ammo, the bullet in Travis was not hollow point – gun was not grandpa’s, it was Travis’

          • SZ….but Saint Travis didn’t have a gun…..just ask Dave Hall. lol
            He always used Daves,’ ya I would also…the little gun TA had wouldn’t even hit the target if he shot it.

            • Oh yes and all his friends knew TA so well, of course they knew he did not have a gun… One of the more dumber statements oh why he never owned a gun,

            • yep, that video at the shooting range was “proof” for HLN????? Who would take a tiny little gun to a desert shooting range where all the big boys had assault rifles? That proof was laughable.

            • Maybe the gun really belonged to Travis’ criminal brother. Let’s call a PPL attorney and see if they can clear it up in 15 minutes.

    • ARROGANCE is a hell of a drug…

      when TA was standing over that sink, he had to be shitting himself… holy f*uck, i am f*cked up, holy god i may die right here, SOON. but…

      bet he (anyone) has that final moment, but never truly believe it’s coming til u slip into another realm,
      even if there nothing on the other side of realm.

  214. I’m happy there is a day off for Nurmi. He looked sick to me all week. His eyes were puffy and he just acted off. He didn’t sit by Jodi at all. But I did see his face turn beat red and he more or less throw his pad at the table at one point. Did anyone notice that towards the end of the day he started to stand between JM and JW….at sidebars.

  215. The biggest problem here is the grandparents stolen gun. Jodi has been proven to have lied so much, the jury will automatically assume she stole the gun and used it in this crime.

    The defense absolutely has to do more with this issue,but they can’t.The gun has to be recovered and proven not to have been used for Jodi to get a self defense verdict.

    Listening to the accusatory and generally disbelieving nature of the jury questions,I feel self defense will be ruled out by the jury.

  216. Hi, First time poster here and a Jodi supporter. I have to tell you all that I normally lean toward the prosecution in just about any trial for the simple fact that they have the burden of proof. That has changed dramatically as Jodi’s trial has gone along. I absolutely despise Juan Martinez. This little troll isn’t interested in the truth or in justice. He’s interested in screaming, intimidation, drama, twisting around everything anyone says until it suits him. I’m shocked at the bloodlust he’s created among what seems like the majority of Jodi trial watchers. Also HLN and their anchors, VP, NG, JVM should be ashamed of themselves for pouring fuel all over the Jodi haters. I stopped watching HLN 3 days after I began following this trial. They had me incensed. I watch the trial online thru this site or other Phoenix tv stations. It’s sad how so many people allow others to tell them what to think instead of forming their own opinions and conclusions.
    I’m truly believe that at least one juror is seeing past the theatrics and hate of little troll Juan Martinez. i know if I were on the jury there is no way they get a first degree murder conviction.
    Thanks for reading. I follow this site daily and have learned everything I know about Jodi and this case from it. Hang in there Jodi.
    Thanks SJ!

    • I totally shifted positions during the trial. I basically turned off HLN after the first week because it obviously had a narrative it wanted to push for ratings and disregarded a defendant’s right to a fair trial.

      The sex tape is what did it for me, for at that point the tape destroyed the prosecution’s speculation as to premeditation and motive.

      • Due to the media circus there is no way some of these jurors haven’t been infected by bias. I am almost certain juror misconduct will be an issue at some point.

      • Yea let’s hope the jurors have the good sense to turn it off. I very much appreciate the readers who point out how some of the questions by the jurors mirror HLN’s. I hope defense team investigators are keeping an eye on that specific commentary about HLN possibly tainting that jury.

        I wouldn’t mention HLN had the jury been sequestered.

        HLN and Mesa PD are creating that narrative. The videos of Jodi flipping her hair were just released by Mesa PD. I’m appalled that’s allowed.

  217. I have a question regarding the final jury selection. Are the final 12 selected randomly or ?????

    • I’d like to know that as well. I think (but I am not certain) that the alternates are not told they are the alternates until the jury goes into deliberation. But I believe the Judge, the Defense and the Prosecution know already who the alternates are.

    • Arizona: If alternate jurors are impanelled, their identity shall not be determined until the end of trial. At the time of impanelment, the trial judge should inform the jurors that at the end of the case, the alternates will be determined by lot in a drawing held in open court.

      • thank you – couldn’t find anything on how that is done. I’m glad it is random to ensure as much fairness as possible.

    • So yes, they are chosen at random, after the trial but before they deliberate. The alternates have to keep the admonition until the verdict is in…in the event that an alternate is necessary to replace a juror. If an alternate joins the deliberations, the jury shall be instructed to begin deliberations anew.

  218. We are hundred percent sure Jodi will come out of this. Martinez is biased, full of maice and only interested in what he wants not facts. Shame on him and HLN tv crew including crazy Nany Grace. She had saod OJ is guilty, Michael Jackson is guilty and what happened – EGG on her ugly face.
    We love JODI and pray for her.
    Steve

    • I so agree. Every time I look at her nasty, scowling face I can’t help but envision it surrounded by burning flames. A devil.

  219. I for one will no longer shop at Walgreens, continue my car insurance with Geico when it comes time to renew, or purchase Centrum vitamins. There are plenty of alternatives.
    By sponsoring NG those companies are endorsing hatred and evil.

    • remember u dont have wait for renewal time. u can cancel anytime and co. refunds u $ if u paid ahead.

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