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Jodi Arias Trial – Day 33 (afternoon session)

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Let’s see what underhanded tricks Martinez tries to pull this afternoon, the ignorant uneducated piece of shit that he is. No wonder the TravisTown pedo-huggers are so attracted to him, in every sense of the word.

Leave your comments below on the afternoon session of day 33, as Jodi takes one step closer to victory…

SJ
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  1. He is making me crazy today. I cannot tolerate asking a question of a witness and then yelling and talking over or not letting them answer when the answer is not a yes or no. I am also sure I am not the only one who is getting aggravated on this issue.

    • JM is NUTS!!!! He asks a question, then doesn’t let the Dr. speak. JW must turn this around or I am afraid for Jodi.

    • JM is completely insane…….It is ridiculous for him to stand up and be an idiot…. I really feel his actions are going to help Jodi, I hope…..

    • Getting aggravated? I’m as aggravated as hell! Been calling him all the good names under the sun such as effing bas*ard, you know, good things like that!!

      But JW turned it around and by the look on JM’s face he didn’t look very happy!

    • That is what drives me crazy- “answer the question yes or no”. If I was a member of that jury I would tune him out. Not all answers are “yes” or “no”. I posted a comment on day 32 of trial- and I still stand by it, JM speaks to the witnesses as if they are incompetant uneducated idiots. He is flapping his gums to draw attention away from what the witness is saying rather than trying to poke holes in a solid defense! Another favorite JMism of mine “well you were thereeeeee”. C’mon, the jig’s up, you lost.

    • I was sooo hoping that when JM said Dr. Samuels was speculating that something happen, that Dr Samuels would have said, “after 30 years exaiming behavior, my speculation is much more founded than your entire case of speculation.”. That would have been the hilite! JM is a lawyer, not a doctor. And honestly, if he was such a great lawyer, why would he work for the state instead of having his own practice?? It seems obvious to me that JM doesnt care if she is guilty or not, he just wants to WIN. So he can add this to his resume. Very sad. And if he knew anything about human behavior, he would know that when you YELL continuously, people tend to tune you out because it is uncomfortable for people (jury) to hear.

    • I’m watching this trial religiously every day. I am a survivor from domestic abuse and I know how manipulative these monsters can be. I always had to do what he wanted , afraid he would cheat otherwise. my ex was just like Travis he had to always be in control or else. If I got out of line or said no he would spit, throw his food at me, got body slammed, hit, stepped on with his steel tied boots. It was awful and I got away. I’m one of the lucky few that did get out. he was convicted of domestic abuse thank god. this was self defense and I don’t care what anybody says. Jodi had to fight for her life at that moment. Jodi I will always be behind u. u r innocent . Why can’t these people see it that way ?

  3. Any dr who would make a diagnosis based on one test is not the kind of dr you want to go to, and 69 isn’t that far from 75.

  7. I don’t know if I can listen to JM this afternoon…..I just want to slap the taste out his mouth!!!!!!

  10. I’m assuming that JM wasn’t allowed to continue with his crib notes that he was reading that the good doctor asked that he cite the reference at the break. Any thoughts?

  11. What does it matter if the test results are compared to the “normal” population versus the “sick” population?

    • Don’t doctors always compare the SYMPTOMS? For example if I get the measles,is the doctor going to compare me wioth a healthy individual?How on Earth is he going to find out what’s wrong with me?No!It’s the other way round,the doctor ”suspects” what may be wrong with you and they compare YOUR SYMPTOMS to similar ones by other pationents.
      Really,Martinez is a disgrace!!!

      • Maria, measles there is a rash, normal person has no rash, so if you have a rash, you are not sick. See how easy that was. Who knows, JM can confuse anyone

    • I had in mind the saying: “a glass being full or half empty”. JM is using this tactic to achieve the goals.

  12. I have found it easier to just listening instead of watching. I just can’t handle hearing him and watching h im too 🙂

    • Me too. If I just listen, I can imagine lovable little Kermit the Frog acting as prosecutor. LOL.

  13. Thank you Dr!!!!Finally,he said what I’ve been waiting to hear since yesterday!!
    Even if she lied about the REASON of the traumatic experience it DOES’T mean that she didnt suffer from a post traumatic stress disorder!!

  16. Too funny. JM just said so after the cop is stabbed or shot he could still ambulate around.

  18. this sleazy prosecutor is going back and forth, forth and back, this test, that test, this note, this result, what was the date of that, what was the answer here, now that test, what was that date, was it before this one, do you have problems with your memory. Asking questions not specific about which test or answer or note he’s asking about. So if this doc doesn’t have the entire 12 visits and several tests memorized completely he’s going to get tripped up and the sleazy prosecutor wins.

    This is really ugly.

    • ditto! He can’t use any actual fact, because he is missing so much actual evidence so he uses confusion to try and make a point.

    • Precisely Harmony.
      Again with the memory problem…drop is Martinez, enough is enough with the f’n memory.

  21. Some of the info on prosecutorial misconduct in general and prosecutorial misconduct studies is very interesting. Since 1970, individual judges and appellate court judges have, for example, cited prosecutorial misconduct as a factor when dismissing charges at trial, reversing convictions, or reducing sentences in over two thousand cases.

    That number appears to be growing, and the nature of questionable conduct includes (but is not limited to) :
    COURTROOM MISCONDUCT
    e.g. attempting to introduce inappropriate of inflammatory evidence, committing
    violations pertaining to selection of jury, or making inappropriate closing arguments,

    BADGERING & ATTEMPTING TO INTIMIDATE WITNESSES

    HARASSING & DISPLAYING BIAS AGAINST DEFENDANT & DEFENDANT’S COUNSEL

    Of course, trial-related misconduct is not easy to prove, although REPEATED violations can build a strong case for misconduct. While many of us are appalled with what Juan Martinez is being allowed to get away with, in the end his behavior may not result in the very victory he so desperately hopes to achieve.

    • MISTRIAL, COURTROOM MISCONDUCT!!!!!!!! THIS JUDGE HAS TOTALLY LOST CONTROL OF HER COURTROOM. JM SHOULD NT BE ABLE TO CARRY ON IN THIS MANNER, I DON’T CARE WHAT HIS MO IS. THIS IS HARRASSMENT ON THE WITNESSES.

  22. Rapid mob of twits on twitter going insane nuts over some file that JA STOLE from a table. WTF? Also she stole a pencil or something, kill her now. People are tweeting, the whole world can see them go nuts and there’s no shame anywhere about how they appear to the world.

    • Rabid mob. Not rapid. Words fail me, I am so appalled at the sickening display of emotionally disturbed low-lifes this trial has displayed.

    • I’m sure they are mistaken, they are idiots. there is no way jodi could “steal” something…as particular as the deputy? is with her, they would find it.

      • Yes, I don’t think the mob realizes that she is probably searched and any “contraband” confiscated before being led back to her cell. That would include a pencil.

        This is Sheriff Arpiao after all…

    • Do they forget that she is searched everytime she goes back to her cell, a pretty extensive search and there is no place to hide an entire folder.

  23. a policer officer with a gun a knife and a camera taking photos…Why doesnt he mention Jodi’s name and be over with it?Does he think that we DON’T know where he is getting at?????????

  24. If that isn’t the pot calling the kettle black. JM saying so when you put that up about the ??? type amnesia it had nothing to do with this case.

  27. Do you have a problem with remembering…..No I don’t have any more problem than you do sir.

    • 2 lines JM appears to like to communicate when he gets a defendant’s witness on the stand:

      1) Do you have a memory problem?
      2) I (emphasized) get to ask the questions, not you!

  28. omg…Love it. “I don’t have any more problem with my memory than you do sir”

  33. I dont know who is speculating what anymore.
    Is Martinez speculating or is Dr. Samuels?
    Or Travis? Or Jodi? Or Judge?
    Who is speculating what now?!

    Thank you Martinez for confusing me into an oblivion.

  35. It has been obvious throughout this trial that JA was not assertive. Asking Samuels about how can he use the journals to assess JA but yet JM used these ad nauseum

  37. Yes, please continue reading Dr. Sameuls.
    Your voice is much more soothing than Martinez’s.

      • oooops rereading my post it just hit me that I should have written ”Martinez’s ”, LOL M, I didnt mean you!

        • HAHAHAHA!
          I understand maria. 🙂

          Sometimes I see others refer to Martinez as M. and I quickly see that and think “Hey, what did I do!?”, then I realize its not me, whew!

          Though I can be pretty sarcastic. 😉

    • Yes, continue reading. You are much better at reading than me and you have a much better grasp of the English language!

  38. Again cutting and pasting the journal. Samuels asked if that was a continuous entry…answer JM oh it’s an exhibit. WTF

    • what a jerk. Martinez can’t remember what the doctor said two days ago but wants the Dr to remember what happened years ago

    • And Judge sherry overuled! I cannot believe this! Jodi deserves a fair trial FIRST. she cannot get one when Juan is doing this.

        • I couldn’t agree more. I would venture there are good grounds for an outright mistrial or such severe prosecutorial misconduct that the charges should be dismissed with prejudice.

      • or with this Judge’s rulings. There wasn’t any of the State’s witnesses that weren’t allowed or even expected to not look at their notes.

      • what??? unbelievable!!!!

        Is there a conspiracy by the judge and kermit to have the trial thrown out??? do they not know how stupid they look to the rest of the world (ok, people watching)???

        Maybe a guy and girl wearing dark clothes and a handgun paid them a visit late one night and told them to throw the trial???

        i think we need to get the supreme court in on this one…how can we get someon higher up to look at it?

        • someone from the state of Arizona needs to file a complaint with the bar against this prosecutor. Anyone on here from Arizona willing to do that

          • Martinez is going into overdrive! He is asking SO many petty and really unnecessary questions in order to make some of his points. Thanks to him, this trial may be going on for months! I guess Arizona doesn’t care how long it takes, however. They take Fridays off, start late, and their 5 minute recesses last at least 20 minutes. All of this is costing the taxpayer a lot of money, although I hope it’s just taxpayers in Arizona.

  40. Of course Martinez doesn’t want Dr. Samuels to look at his own notes because Dr. Samuels will squish him like a tiny annoying little mosquito if given a fair opportunity (AKA being able to look at his damn notes).

    Must be that memory issues every has.
    Has anyone checked to see if there is a carbon monoxide leak in the court room? 🙂

  41. Samuels needs to stick to saying, “I can’t remember unless I refresh my memory”. No different than the ME or any other expert having to review their notes or records.

    • Agreed. Martinez just wants to trip him up by forcing him to guess and maybe give an incorrect date or time. Very unprofessional.

  43. “Mr. Martinez, do you have a problem with respect? Do you feel inferior due to your lack of height? Is that why you scream instead of talk? Do you have an issue with hearing? Do you have a problem speaking in an ‘inside-voice? Are you eight years old, or thirteen? I can’t tell”

  45. J.M. is way out of line.The judge has lost control and is definetly for the prosecution.They should complain to the bar and put this wessel out of a job.This is stupid.

  46. What JM is doing right now is very typical pros tactics, he is trying to discredit this witness. Happens in every trial. What concerns me are some of the Drs answers and explanations. I do not doubt that he is doing his best for Jodi, but he is (IMHO) not as well prepared as I had expected, or as good on the stand as I had hoped.Of course, its. Of what I think that matters, its those 16 jurors watching and listening. I’m very anxious to hear the questions they have for him.

    • From the few trials I’ve seen on Court TV and IS, I do not recall a prosecutor being so abrasive and abusive of witnesses.

      • Amen! Neither have I….but I assume he will continue to do so because he’s ALLOWED by this incompetent judge to do it!

    • It’s easy to prepare for the defense line of questioning but the witness never knows what the prosecutor is going to ask – especially this little chihuahua, he’s all over the place. No one can prepare for that.

    • Oh Anna you think it’s ok for the state’s witnesses to be able to look at notes but not the doctor?

      No, this is not typical, in case you missed it, this prosecutor is an ASSHOLE, do you not even bother to read what SJ posts????

      I can assure you there will be people on the jury like some of us here, they will not all have their heads up their asses like people who think this is acceptable.

      • Bee Cee I have never said it was fair or unfair, I was simply saying it was typical styles cross. As far as the notes go, it depends on what the pros is asking and whether he is able to look at notes. That is whatis typical cross and why the defense can and should object regarding that. Is he an asshole? Hell yes! I have never said it was admirable nor that I agree with these tactics. Please don’t assume I approve of this when I certainly do not. I was simply expressing my opinion of this witness and the cross. I have confidence that Miss Wilmott will clear up much of this.BTW my TV has been paused for about 20 minutes, and I’m on Eastern time, I may be behind some of you.

    • Anna Ryan –
      Can you tell me what you did 8 years ago on this date?
      Or how about 4 years ago on this date?

      Its hard to seem prepared, when you cant clearly remember everything you talked to someone about many years ago, and aren’t being allowed to look at your notes without being harassed by this mosquito buzzing in your damn ear incessantly.

      Put Dr. Samuels entire time on the stand together and look at it as a whole (not to mention Mrs. Willmott hasn’t even recrossed) and form your opinion from that. Otherwise, I don’t think its a fair assumption.

      • M. Hell no I can’t remember exact things I was doing back then, lol half the time I don’t know why I walked into my kitchen! Please do not get the idea that I approve of this type of cross, I do not. I was simply saying it is typical in high profile cases, sleazy and obnoxious absolutely. None of my comments imply this is a man I admire at all, in fact just the opposite. Just like all of you here, I am on this site to show support for Jodi and have a forum to share thoughts as it is obvious to me that .most people have already found her guilty, and practically the entire .media wants to burn her at the stake.

  48. Oh my God, he’s a psychologist not an investigative detective, he’s supposed to just concentrate on Jodi, what the heck is this??? Sorry, I just can’t stand Martinez today, and I really can’t stand that most of the public is on his side, especially with him blatantly disregarding

    • Most of the public is probably not on his side, just the ones who follow the brainwashing on HLN and keep posting with hysteria on the internet. It is not front page every day, and no reliable poll has been taken on the general population.

  49. ugh, sorry, see I’m so mad I can’t even finish my sentance.

    ……………blatantly disregarding this man’s expertise and not treating him like the expert witness he is. And people support him 100%. Amazing.

    • Yes!!!
      It just grosses me out the way people not only support this a-hole, but even swoon over him!
      Someone on other site mentioned the new show “the Following” and dropped the suggestion that JA was similar to the anti-hero in that new show and all I could do was gasp (!) and think to myself: “You dolts! If ANYONE has a sick mind-hold over people’s ability to think logically it is JM being worshipped by all you brain-dead zombettes…”

  51. Okay….. I need to breathe here…

    I am going to have a coronary…..

    what kind of fucking kangaroo court is this???

    How is this judge allowing this small dude to sit and bully a professional man.

    I hope ALL professional psychologists would come out and publicly say that JM is manipulating results he knows nothing about. But they wont. Because they are scared.

    Because the haters of the world will ruin them.

    Do these folks hate America? Do they hate the Constitution?

    CAN I GET A COLLECTIVE WTF??

  52. TBT if I ever had to defend my life I would not be ashamed of what I have done. that really boggles me about this case. most people are proud to tell others that they were able to protect themselves or their family. there is no shame in self-defense murder

  58. Can you tell when Martinez doesn’t get his way with the judge he comes back even more mean to the witness?

    • I’ve noticed that, too, Frannie! This prosecutor is clearly overstepping professional boundaries, among other misconduct. I would hate to be a witness and be treated like I was guilty on national television, not be allowed to even finish my sentences, or have it be questioned that I have memory problems, etc. All very degrading and unnecessary to get at facts.

  59. I agree there are so many grounds of appeal if she is convicted. This Court is a joke and I hate to say this but this Judge is doing a terrible job.

    • Yes. It may even be so bad as far as misconduct, that charges could be dismissed with prejudice (or at least they should be IMO).

  60. When he was question by JW he stated that their was on of them left out right?? is that what JM is trying to get at?

  61. The look that doctor gave Martinez…. I thought he was going to come up out of that chair.

    • I saw that annie! all I could think was oh wow,I bet that Doctor is making an evaluation on Maertinez right now!Can you imagine?I also bet the good Doctor has already made up his mind about what’s wrong ewith this short dude!!

  62. How could anyone get a fair trial on this circus of a courtroom. Last I checked we all have that right.

  63. Last question was withdrawn!

    I don’t know about the jury, but I couldn’t tell you what the last question was if my life depended on it.

    • I don’t think its a matter of him being unorganized; he’s being asked one question pertaining to a date in 2008 then next question in 2012 then back to 2009 and so on, so forth…. the doc can’t help but have to shuffle back and forth through notes to keep up with Martini’s nonsense.

        • I wish the doctor could tell him to settle down.
          You’ve asked me about different years so it will take me a while
          and we can get through this in a timely fashion!

          And then say do you have a problem “paying attention”
          to the answer?

          Instead you come out of the gate like a horse.

          He does look like he’s going to spit his teeth out.

          I miss so much of the trial and they don’t carry on In Session
          continued.
          Then it’s chopped up on HLN on all of the shows that I will NOT watch.

          I’m turned off to the idiots in this trial plus the judge, prosecuter, and TA’s family getting by with breaking all rules and not having order in the court.

          Problem is that I do want to watch and support Jodi and her defense team and family.
          They are the only ones that know how to act in court.

          I have NEVER seen a judge act like this one.

    • IMO I don’t see him as unorganized, I see it as JM trying to only allow bits and pieces into evidence, not allowing complete answers, and quite frankly, I’m sure the doctor is frustrated with the antics.

      JM has outright said in many words that Samuels is unethical, etc. Remember, JM lied during his XE but the judge didn’t force that to come out now only saying JW can address on re-direct. So, IMO, it is on the record that the prosecution again has knowingly misled the jury and the judge didn’t allow for that misleading questioning to be rectified.

  65. This is gotten completely out of hand.
    The only remedy I can see to stop it is to have this judge removed, and the prosecutor cited for misconduct.
    He continues to approach the witness without permission, and she says NOTHING! Dr. Samuels and the defense need to complain

    • Melvis, I think the defense has been complaining about important issues, including prosecutor misconduct but this judge doesn’t seem to understand. She may have some bias against Jodi or in favor of JM but just not be aware of it. If Jodi is convicted, and a appeal is made, having another judge or judges look at the case beyond this judge may result in greater fairness and different conclusions.

  67. They lost me. With all the pages turning and sidebars. I lost all memory of what it was all about.

  68. JM is going to say he used the old criteria although Samuels said he does have the mini version for the new DSM that hasn’t yet come out.

    Does anybody think that the defense has already filed to a higher court the previous motions for prosecutorial misconduct and also the requests for mistrial?

  69. Is it typical to go through the doctors hand written notes like this? I understand going over medical records in court, but this seems like it’s a bit ridiculous.

      • I am a courtroom clerk, heard many many trials including murder trials. Every trial they always ask the expert witnesses how much are you being paid and how many times have you been hired for a defense.
        Not unusual at all.

  70. DId you just hear Dr. Juan cut off the answer to his question…omg, that is soooo not ok

  73. OOHhh, Martinez hates it when Samuels gets a chance to actually finish his answers.

    • The REAL question should be how much is this prosecutor being paid an hour, for the state isn’t getting their money’s worth.

    • Not really. I think at 250/hr the doctor is pretty reasonable for a professional consultant. Anyone try hire a lawyer or accountant lately?

      Or try subject matter experts in the other scientific fields. In my field (Electronics engineering) subject matter experts go for between 350 and 500/hr.

      • I agree, standard fees there, my divorce Atty almost gave me a heart attack during my initial consultation when he told me his fee (basic divorce, no kids or property) He charged me 240 an hour. He ended up being excellent so thank God. Fees sure aren’t what they used to be 🙂

  84. Doctor just took a big sigh and thought to himself “thank god, you fucking little prick”…

  87. Are we supposed to believe that he managed to discredit the doctor??Yes,he appears to have missed one or two things which does not look good to the jury but that doesnt mean all his years of experience not to mention his qualifications should be so thoughtlessly be thrown out of the window!Let’s put our faith on Jennifer now!

  89. Jodi stole a yellow file and is sitting on it OMG really, do these hags think she is going to be able to walk out with a stolen file? I don’t know what is worse, listening to Martinez, or reading some of the nonsense going on in another universe.

    • Omg, do they not know that they are police officers in that court room that watch her like a hawk.

    • oh,haters haters look!!She just stood up and had yet ANOTHER folder in her hands!Quickly,call the cops(already there),she’s gonna steal that one too!!!!
      ROFL,could these people be that stupid???

      • Unbelievable, isn’t it? It’s a mad, mad world…and they’re all cheering: “Go Juan!” Dimwits.

    • Reading in that different universe, what I READ: TA’s sisters in court had never been to his house, over this past weekend they along with some other people took a metal detector and shovel and went looking for the gun in TA’s neighborhood. They also talked with the woman who lives in TA’s house.

      • Sorry,what???I bet this is all just bologna!Jodi said she threw the gun somewhere in the desert,didnt she?

      • Oh, that’s a brilliant idea five years after the fact. They could have found any number of guns and various other weapons.

  90. That is SO TRUE, “there’s a large gap in what people can write or say, and what they can do”. We think things in our heads that will never manifest in the actual situation.

  92. Question: Why two lawyers on Jodi’s side? Do they each specialize in a particular area or is there any particular reason for two?

        • I cant remember the name of that cartoon hero that MB had so wittily pointed out looks like Florez LOL!!

        • OMG he looks so ridiculous just sitting there and he barely moves! How much is HE being paid to do NOTHING?

        • Flores does look like a bump on a log. Maybe he’s tired from running back and forth to pick up Martinez’ lunch, dry cleaning, and groceries.

    • In DP cases, the defendant must have an attorney that is DP qualified. I don’t know if both Nurmi and Willmott are or just one.

    • In DP cases the defendant must have at least 4 team members:

      2 attorneys at least one of whom is death qualified
      A mitigation specialist
      a dedicated private investigator

      This has been agreed to by the ABA and the supreme court

    • Usually in capital cases a defendant has co-counsel. Generally during the direct and cross, the attorney with the most experience in specific areas will handle the witness. For example, if there was a DNA expert or medical testimony.

    • The judge must have some responsibilities and accountability in how the trial proceeds, unless in Arizona, the judge is supposed to lean toward the prosecutor’s views, and defendants and witnesses are allowed to be bullied and badgered? Maybe the state’s judicial system honestly thinks this is a fair trial, that there is nothing wrong with the way JM is treating witnesses like they are guilty or on trial, like the defendant, etc.?

      • This is why when I had to look for an attorney for a friend of mine, and yes it was a friend of mine, I found him a great attorney, who interned under the judge, and they were neighbors. Doesn’t seem right, but a defendant has to be able to play the system too.

        • By the way in his case, the judge at one point said to the State is there anything else. The State said no, the Judge hit his gavel and said case dismissed.

  94. I dont know about you guys but I feel like mrs wilmot would’ve done a better job if SHE was the one that questioned Jodi on the stand. Anyone else feel the same way? ???? She just doesnt take crap from Martinez and she doesn’t back down. I also thk she should do all the questioning from now on fir the rest of the witnesses.

    • LC, yes! I thought that all along, I just like her style and how she connects with the witness. She is DP qualified and just seems to get to the heart of the matter more effectively than Nurmi imo

    • I think it was important for Nurmi to question Jodi because it showed that a man was able to sympathize with her and that he believed her abuse/self defense story. JW does a great job though.

    • I do but because my feed is choppy and it’s from a distance its hard to see

      Plus Flores gets his fat head in there a lot

  97. I know i said this earlier in a post, but under a different discussion but…

    If there was one statement of advice i could pass onto the defense, for when they make closing arguments, it would be this:

    Fatcs are FACTS. If someone nedes to convice, “talk into” or persuade someone that something happened, then it is not FACT it is speculation. This is a court of law, based on facts, to provide justice to ALL. We do not come to our conclusions based on anything other than factual evidence. I ask you to consider this: has the prosecution tried to “talk you into”, persuade you or convince you of evidence OR have they simply SHOWN you the evidence? To help you decide lets think about how the prosecutor asked his questions. Was he emotional? was he short? (lol, punn intended) Was he fair? did he allow the evidence to speak for itself OR did he use tactics to try and make you arrive at his answers? If you are being shown FACTS, then no tactics or emotion are needed. these things are simply used to “convice, talk into and persuade”. If you feel that the prosecution has been an “open book” and allowed ALL of the opinions, theories and evidence in, with nothing to hide…then you can be sure that you have FACTS. In that case you will have a very hard job ahead of you. If you do NOT feel this way then you have an easy job of deliberation, as you already know that the prosecution was only speculating. Speculation is not proof and we require proof in this court.

    And lights….

    • Yup, AGREE AGREE AGREE!!! That’s all Martinez has done with this case. Speculate, twist everything around and alot of iFs IFs IFs…. garbage just like the little man himself! !!

    • Excellent advice, Sirlips. I’m just afraid that if Juan has his way (and I don’t know if he is even allowed to) he will show the pictures of Travis Alexander’s dead body in addition to a most gruesome description. What an emotional impact for the jury to be left with….At any rate, Jodi’s lawyer is going to have to do his, or her,very best to deliver a very powerful, very moving closing argument.

      • JM is trying to win this case on emotion because it can’t be done by following the law.

    • Very well put, Sirlips. And if the prosecutor yells then he’s ignorant! He’s certainly That and that’s a FACT!!

  99. So, according to the prosecution, Jodi’s feet may or may not have been also tied up, the shooting occurred near a closet, she may have been wearing a sweater, the psychologist takes bad notes, he is unethical because of a $9 self help book, the Post Traumatic Stress Disorder Assessment tool the Doctor used, relies on the story she is telling, rather than her state of mind and ummmm did I miss anything? I mean besides TA’s family laughing? Does any of the above indicate premeditation?
    I really don’t understand the family’s reaction in court. I was sympathizing with them for a long time, and trying to understand the smirks, and put myself in their shoes, but I just don’t get it anymore. Their reactions are coming across as completely disrespectful of the process and everyone involved, and I think the jurors (at least some of them) will be turned off by their behavior. Even the camera man doesn’t want to focus on them anymore.

    • I think you covered it Jess.
      In fact, you understood more than I think I could.
      Had I been taking notes I think there would just be a bunch of circles on my papers, ending up looking like a bunch of venn diagrams.

      And agreed, still waiting for that “Ah Ha” moment pro pros say is coming.
      And I think I’ll be waiting for forever because this wasnt premeditated.

      Didnt catch the family, but have seen their smirks, giggles, eye rolls, and laser eyes before.
      Sounds like the same games day in and day out.

    • yes,Jess I do think you missed one:the strange involvement of KY in this case and its significance to the sequence of events to the extent of having a Jury question about it! LOL,I know this is a DP trial but some things are just ridiculous!

    • They’ve been doing it from day one. They are passed from the grieving process and when they walk into this courtroom they tuck away all the pain and sorrow of there loss and turn it all around to HATE. They slip on there evil masks for the jury. They will put on any face in front of the jury and the cameras to purposely sway anyones testimony if its not what they like. Conniving people that’s what they are. And im sorry, I would feel alot different if they would go in there with different attitude, but they dont, they want revenge not justice.

      • I think they are stuck in the ANGER part of the grief process. Hopefully, they can move forward sooner than later for their own mental health.

        • Can you blame them for not being able to move on with this media circus and all the garbage being spewed by Travis’s so-called friends?

    • I read somewhere once that, over exhilarated behavior usually implies the opposite. So, maybe they are really worried about the outcome of the case. I don’t understand how they are allowed to make reactions to any of the testimony??

      I try to put myself in their shoes ,as well; I would feel hate too if it was one of my sisters, no matter what the reason was when the murder took place.

      • I feel nothing but sympathy for TA family. We don’t know what they are going through or how hard it is. As a society justice means something coherent for everyone. I think it is justice if you want the person who killed your family member to pay their debt to society. No one had the right to take a life and that includes the state.

        • The sister has gone on HLN saying she wants to watch Jodi die. I do no support that even if she is grieving. There is help out there for anger rooted so deep.

      • In the beginning of the trial OR any trial, the judge admonishes all in the courtroom to no react in any way. and I’ve seen people have to leave when they are acting like TA’s family.

        NOT with this judge and don’t tell me she hasn’t noticed it. Everyone else has.
        Jodi’s family has obeyed the court and I feel sorry for them.

        Since that means everyone before, why let the TA;s make a mockery out of it?

        Their brother would have killed Jodi, if she hadn’t protected herself, then MAYBE he would have been the one on trial.

        In a trial, you are seeking the truth. THEY already had Jodi convicted, even though they had never met her. AND I see something terribly wrong with people that are just dying to watch Jodi die.

        I don’t think Jodi should ask them to forgive her. Why should she?

  100. Had to step away; I see the AZ seal now.
    Just a short recess or is court out for the day?

  102. Why doesn’t the judge stand for the jury? I sat on a jury and the judge stood along with everyone else.

  106. STM and LTM!!
    What a relief,thank you Jennifer! This is what Kermit tried to twist when Jodi being on the stand,how could she remember where stuff was during the attack IF being in a fog?Cause she was using STM,a**hole!!!NOT LTM!! It’s her LTM that’s not working coz the ”other ” memories probably werent registered.

    • She definately is.
      I love Mr. Nurmi too, dont get me wrong, but different styles is a good thing I think.

  108. Wonderful comment Dr. Samuels.
    As some stated, he used the test to BACKUP his DIAGNOSIS, not to DIAGNOS Jodi.

    • I knew that would come out!

      If I knew computer speak for the bird I would do it right now to all the negative posers we have had on this site.

      • Agree BeeCee.
        Maybe I’m being too harsh, but the negativity beings to spread, and it becomes merely impossible for me to avoid.

        I shall move forward, but just had to put it out there, as a reminder for the next time the negativity wagon comes around.

        • thanks Debbie…

          I’m an adult, I should just learn to ignore the negative posters and not resort to birds or raspberries I guess.

          LOL

          • Debbie –
            After all the things I’ve learned during this trial, I’m afraid of what a “raspberry” might be…

            😀

            • M!! Oh HAHAHA, I didn’t even think of that…that is a very good point though.

              🙂

              I will not google raspberry..I will not google raspberry, just in case.

  109. more delays………BTW: The Arias courtroom will be dark Thursday, and trial starts Wednesday at 1 pm. I don’t know yet if there are hearings Wed morning.

  110. Wilmoot just laid the foundation for taking the Prosecution Psychologist’s testimony that’s yet to come with a grain of salt.She mentioned sth about ”less than 3 years” and now ”if a doctor was to say that….”
    Loving her!!!

  111. Way to clear that up JW about the reasons that Jodi was uncomfortable about the oral sex.

  113. God, im sooooo glad they’re getting this book thing cleared up too!!! It wasnt a gift in the sense that Martinez was making it look. He’s recommended the book to many other clients!! In your face, Martinez!

    • Thus why I think many should’ve been more positive over the last couple of days of Martinez’s crossing. All of that stress and negativity, just to bounce back and forth?

      Too much for me.
      I prefer to enjoy the greenish grass on my side. 😀

  115. Isn’t it interesting how much information you can collect when the witness isn’t getting yelled at!

  117. Why dont you INTERRUPT someone LOL I love it.
    If you are trying to gather information you do not interrupt someone….right small fry?

  118. Hey, Martinez. ?.. I hope your taking notes on this, “interruption” talk. You might be able to benefit from dr Samuel too!!!

  119. In practice do you find if you interrupt someone….etc., I think that was a double entendra towards Martinez…lmao

  120. My heart is just breaking for Jodi. I noticed the look on her face while Ms. Wilmott was asking Dr. Samuels about how a person would manifest amnesia upon a traumatic event such as killing someone they dearly loved (or words to that effect) and she looked like she was about to cry. The way I see this is Jodi reacted in self-defense. In quite a few ways I (or the young woman I used to be) relate to her. I was abused both physically, mentally and verbally and didn’t even begin to know where others ended and I began until I was probably in my 40’s. I didn’t know my own self-worth. God, I hope there are people on the jury who are like-minded.

  121. Wilmott is brilliant.. She keeps asking about interrupting people and how it changes things (like train of thought, etc.) Wow! She is kind of getting into why JM keeps using this as a dirty trick. lol

  123. JM’s going to say beyond the scope but it is part of the piece JM played. Just like he tried with the journals. What a piece of judicial garbage.

  124. JM is not interrupting much…. must have been lectured by the judge? or just learned his lesson from the doctor ?
    ooops. spoke too early

      • Argh….damn that little jerk. I just want to raise my voice at him: “SIR?!!! Did I ASK for your opinion? PLEASE be QUIET, SIR!!!!” Little creep. Grrr.

  126. I don’t care what anybody says, Jennifer Willmott is great. I think today she’s about kicked Kermit’s ass all over the place!

    • Who said anything negative about her? I haven’t heard anything bad. But then I don’t watch HLN anymore and I avoid youtube comments (as of late) regarding this trial.

      • I am curious. I have not seen anyone post about this, but not a single person to whom I have mentioned this trial is aware of it at all!

        I just cannot fathom that. I tend to strike up conversations with folks who serve me when I am out shopping, and even two best friends with whom I chat weekly – they all come up blank.

        Chelion

    • Yes, and she did it on the up and up, too, Without sinking to mischaracacterization tactics, disrespectful accusations, or bullying.

  127. Go girl Jennifer. Show them how it should be done. Cool, calm, confident, competent and thoroughly professional.

    Someone once said talk softly but carry a big stick. All those since time immemorial who have changed this world for the better have talked gently and kindly. (Mandela, Gandhi, Dr King, Jesus, Susan B. Anthony) When people are not being shouted at they respond better, whether they are in the conversation or listening in.

    I wonder if JM realizes just how much of a boor she makes him look.

    • Al says: “I wonder if JM realizes just how much of a boor she makes him look.”

      I doubt it. People with enormous egos rarely think they make mistakes.

    • I like her use of the word “ok“. She says that and then calmly goes into her next thing. I dont know why, but it seems friendly, and like she is asserting that there is a general understanding that everyone is on the same page with her. Its a good tactic.

  131. This back and forth between Samuels and Willmott just reminded me of the final court scene in the movie “My Cousin Vinny” with the defense and witness in synch and jiving together!!!

        • LOL you guys…I think my family and I have seen that movie 1,000 times. I just watched it last week as a matter of fact. We are having POSITRACTION here in this trial now ;o)

          • It is a great movie, the kind you can watch over and over again and still laugh every time. In fact, I think I’ll watch it now…

            • It not just a great movie. It is only the best movie ever made. I’ve watched that darned thing a gazillion times.

              • The dialogue about grits and “your biological clock” – stomp, stomp, stomp are hysterical too.

      • The best part of the movie! Well, aside from Marisa Tomei in that flowered one-piece outfit… lol

  132. Darn doctor! He has been told to stop answering questions after an objection. hopefully the answer does not stand, but they didnt say, so im afraid it does.

    • It doesn’t stand JW was allowed to ask further questions, but he said the closet again even though it isn’t on that page. Not a shining moment…again. ugh.

      • well he is going to bring this hallway answer up, but we won’t be able to understand any of it

  134. Did Martinez seriously just object to the witness not being able to finish his answer??????!!!!!!

  135. JM makes an objection and says JW is interrupting the doctor and not allowing him to answer the question. He is the one who interrupted, and after he realizes he is an idiot, he changes his objection to lack of foundation

    • Really? Did that happen?
      Its sad that if it didnt, he is so crazed that most days I would believe reading this\!

  137. I wish Nurmi would stomp Martinez like a bug when they are on their way to approach the judge. lol

    • yes, he do do the ole “STOMP”… oh excuse me, im so sorry… HA! bully’s need to be cut diwn to size sometimes. pun intended?

  143. Willmott got him back on track and regained any ground lost through Martinez’s bullying tactics.

  144. Who is the lady who sits behind Jodi and her attorneys… today she is wearing a black suit jacket with a royal blue shirt underneath..

  146. Something extraneous here, but just want to share to see if others relate. I have been having unsettling dreams for the last couple of weeks and in my dreams, although Jodi isn’t a central figure, she plays a part and the part she plays always makes me feel unsettled as in the kind of dream where you’re trying to reach the top of a ladder, but don’t succeed, or that you’re holding out your arm to someone falling off a cliff. Then suddenly the alarm sounds or you wake up suddenly. Anyone else experiencing this phenomena?

    • SD,
      I’ve had a terrible nightmare(I remeber writing about it in this site) where I was in TA’s house-he and Jodi were also there,although it was more like their auras,their spiritual entities not their physical entities.It was very intense,I still remember it quite vividly.After that,I kept having dreams about Jodi but they arent clear now.
      Yours sounds more kind like a symbolic one.
      I believe many of us have let this trial affect us deeply,thus the dreams.It means that even subconsciously Jodi occupies a large part of our lives.

    • The only dream that I’ve had related to this trial is one where Martinez’ ex-wife (don’t know if he has one in reality) started posting here about what a jerk he is. It was pretty funny because in the dream, I could see all of us adding posts at an alarming rate. “Tell us more!” “You were married to Kermit?” LOL.

    • Thank you both for sharing. It’s interesting you talk about someone falling off a cliff; I dreamt of being a window washer on a skyscraper and watching myself falling over and over again. I had those dreams off and on a month prior to this case starting, and they stopped only last month. I haven’t been having those dreams lately, I wonder if it’s because talking on the boards here relieves stress. But the coincidence between our dreams is very interesting to say the least.

  147. First Jury question:
    “Doctor, I can’t remember what happens when the prosecution starts yelling and interrupting, is it PTSD, who would you recommend to treat me for this?”
    Second Jury question:
    “What were the PICTURES of on these cards you sent her?”
    Third jury question:
    “Did you ever watch HLN, what makes you think you are a better doctor than their doctors?”

    … hey help me here

      • Thanx.
        Didn’t mean to depress any one after this good day though. But I couldn’t think of any serious or valid question that they may ask.

    • “Did you ever watch HLN, what makes you think you are a better doctor than their doctors?”

      LMAO no kidding huh!

      I don’t want to judge the jury’s questions prematurely, but after Jodi’s testimony… sheesh…

  148. I didn’t watch the cross. Did JM suggest that the doctor was sexually attracted to Jodi?

      • i guess jm expected the dr. to say “yes! YES!! i like her. i will wait for her!!”

        • Well, I think he was feeling “I’m damned if I do and damned if I don’t. Personally, if he likes her, I think he should have said he did. To hell with the innuendoes.

          • personally, i do not understand why people find jodi UNlikeable. besides the killing of course.

            and i don’t find her that attractive, NOR is she Unattractive.
            no offense to jodi. but i state that as basis for my 1st sentence.

            • Having known her briefly, I know I would have liked her. As a friend, as a sister in our church, as a female, as a person of intelligence, I would have liked her allot. She is not unlike able. She is misunderstood.

          • had he said yes I liked her as a person that would have made him biased toward her. had he said no, i didn’t like her, it would look like his mistakes were intentional. No way for him to win ha?

      • I’m not entirely sure that was a sexual attraction innuendo, JC. It may have merely been an attempt to show he was biased in *any* regard. Regardless, it was innuendo.

    • Oh, he implied it. I think he confused “Erroneous Zones” with “Erogenous Zones.”

      • No, they are two different books, Kira. The two books have different points of reference.

        • And I’m sorry, but I have to laugh right now. That’s how a few of us have talked about our age having a little bit of influence on this subject. I am tired right now, but will try to talk about it tomorrow. Night all. Jodi….sleep well, dear, you’re going to be fine.

          • Wayne Dyer’s book “Your Erroneous Zones” was a play on words of “erogenous zones,” which was quite a big deal back in the 1970s.

          • I’m 37, hardly a young whippersnapper LOL. I know that the two books are different. I was joking because Martinez seems to think that the doctor likes Jodi in a sexual manner.

          • Also, I don’t appreciate being “laughed at” due to perceived ignorance due to my age. Being older doesn’t always make you smarter or more well-read.

  149. I have to mute the TV and fast forward thru anything Headline News has to say since that’s the only channel I can watch it on. But I noticed something. Jane and the commentators look like a bunch of hyenas and jackals diving in on a fresh kill as they furiously wave their hands and flap their gums. Maybe it’s desperation at the total mess that I believe Kermit is making. I think the State would have been better served dashing to the nearest strip mall and swiping a mannequin for the role of prosecutor. And did Jane portray Jodi in the reenactment? I glimpsed her brandishing a knife. I am trying to be a lady and not refer to possibly her and Vinnie reenacting the anal sex too. Ok I couldn’t do it. lol

    • I pause it so I can mute and fast foward too. How funny. Great minds…

      • I do the same thing as well on the days I can’t watch it live and have to record it. It is funny to watch the hln crew muted and with ff button. Only way I can watch it.

    • OMG, JVM does remind me of one of the hyenas from “Lion King.” And Michael Jackson.

    • If it wasn’t for Tivo I couldn’t watch this on tv, can’t stand to listen to anyone on HLN, they’re abhorrent.

  150. I have a question. I’m a paralegal here in North Carolina and have worked in this field since 1987. Mostly, I have worked in civil law. The law in civil trials is decided upon a preponderance of the evidence or the greater weight of the evidence. I know this is contrasted with “beyond a reasonable doubt,” which is the more severe test of evidence required to convict in a criminal trial. In your mind, how does “beyond a reasonable doubt” resonate with you in this trial, and why?

    • The question i think for the jury will be what is “reasonable”. If the story had just been the same from jodi, from the start, i dont think they would question it at all. However I think they are going to say that any story jodi says is “not reasonable” now. I do not agree with that, but i feel alot of people think that way.

      Personally, if i was on the jury, i would continue to raise the question “where is the proof?”, No one has shown me proof she DIDNT do all of these things, but at the same time none has shown me proof that she DID do all these things. There is ALWAYS reasonable doubt if it is a speculation.

  151. Wow! One of the panel members on HLN was very critical about Martinez’s “grandstanding” (his word) and lack of respect for Dr. Samuels. Never thought I’d live to see the day.

    Is the tide turning? (sorry, it’s the HLN effect).

    • Well theres someone who will never darken HLN’s doors again.
      You only get away with a bad attitude (or actually having your own opinion)ONCE on HLN.

  152. Did anyone catch JW ask the Dr if he had 35 years of experience. And that the test was put together by people with more than an average of 18 years of experience. And then she said…..

    “And that’s a lot more than 3 years of experience isn’t is?”

    Slam the states expert before she even gets here!

    As Jodie would say …. BAM

    • Al I’m confused. I thought the state expert had more experience than three years?

      • Nope, graduated in 2009 from Michigan State University. Hope she only came here for education

        • so shes counting her post grad experience giving her a total of nine years experience on paper. I see. JW will bring that out for sure.

      • she fully graduated in 2009

        Years in Practice: 8 Years
        School: Michigan State University
        Year Graduated: 2009
        License No. and State: 4120 Arizona

  153. A woman on Arizona’s death row (Debra Milke) just had her conviction overturned due to a history of misconduct by the police and the fact that the prosecution remained silent on this fact. She has been on death row for 22 years

  154. Dr. Samuels mentioned Travis was a wrestler in his testimony today. What kind of a wrestler, was he? High school or …?

    I saw a reference to wrestling and Travis on his Myspace page or blog or somewhere but when I searched for it again I couldn’t find it.

      • Thanks, Jeff.

        It just seems to make Travis a more formidable opponent for a 115 lb woman to attack with a knife. Dr. Horn suggested Travis had 3 major wounds in the following order – a stab to the chest, a gunshot to the head and his throat slit (with other knife wounds at some point). He later suggested the gunshot wound may have come last.
        It seems hard to believe that anyone would attack Travis in this manner when the chances of the attacker being seriously injured or killed would be so great.

    • coldcase53…over here we’ve also noticed that someone changed Travis’ wikipedia information about a week or so…it is like they took the things about his parents being drug addicts…and the date that he bought a house in Arizona in a Mormon community…and some other things…

        • I’m just watching a tape of Travis playing the long-haired character “Eddie Snell” in front of a crowd of people (a conference?) on HLN. In it he’s dancing around, thrusting his hips (like he’s having sex) and says: “I will beat you dead, woman.” It appears the audience reacted negatively to that statement and he shouts: “Just kidding.”

          • Some saintly mormon boy Travis appears in that skit that was run on hln. I had seen it a while back. I happen to think it is repulsive, but I am clearly in the minority.

            The hln folk tonight were actually bemoaning what a talented comic and entertainer he was. And it is such a crying shame to rob the world of this gifted and talented and good person with so much to offer. Of course, Jodi is guilty of depriving the world of all that promise, so she must be hated. She is a scape-goat, pure and simple.

            I do not believe that mormons are expected to use that kind of vulgar language and gross sexual display that is flaunted in that skit, plus the total lack of respect for women. I feel sick just writing about it.

            I will not excuse that sort of content in the name of “talent” and being “current.” I am sorry, but Travis is the one I see as lying, with his double life and secrets. Jodi is being made a scape goat, and the hypocrisy in the double-standard is inexcusable.

            Forgive me if I do not see fit to capitalize mormons. After what I have read since this case has stimulated me to research the subject, I am shocked at the cruelties, both historical and current, that are burried deep within the doctrine, the manipulation and the cover-ups.

            My heart aches for the hurtful damage caused to innocent people by any number of religions in this world when you look into them deeply enough.

            All the signs of a “ritual killing” are what this case is about. It is the 800 pound gorilla in the room that nobody is talking about.

            But sincerely, thank you, so very much, to the person who posted the link to the piece about depressed mormon women. Oh, that helped so much to open my own eyes and start my healing process. I have never been in the church; just damaged by manipulation by being kept in the status of a child who is not allowed to make their own decisions, and is now 73 years old.

            Thank you for listening. Chelion

            • I posted a link to a very lengthy article about Mormon women and depression. If that is what you are referring to Chelion, I am very glad it helped you in your life journey. Like Dr Wayne Dyer has said “If I change the way I look at things, the things I look at change”. I love that quote. He has so many great books and dvds.

              • LM, I am glad to know that you are the poster, and again, I thank you.

                Yes, that is the article I am referring to. I have researched a lot, but never came across that particular article, which is exceptionally powerful.

                I particularly like the way the author explained how and why the same teachings can be either a positive or a negative experience for a person, depending on their own psychological make up.

                I printed out the entire article (31 pages), and I intend to study every bit of it very closely.

            • Chelion, “All the signs of a “ritual killing” are what this case is about. It is the 800 pound gorilla in the room that nobody is talking about.” So obvious, isn’t it??? But since there’s no EVIDENCE, people cant see this!!! Im with you though, I see the 800 pound gorilla nice and clearly.

            • @Chelion and LC: Good to see that others see the 800 pound gorilla in the room. This case screams “ritual killing.”

            • It almost breaks my heart to read your post, Chelion.

              If you are in the minority, so am I. After work I got to catch up on Dr Drew’s recent gang up against Jodi, and they all used the clip as a monument to pay homage to Alexander the Great. They literally *fawned* over him, like he was something wonderful to behold. I threw up a little in my mouth.

              I think tonight we saw Drew’s true colors. He is a bully plain and simple. If he wants a textbook definition of “interpersonal terrorist” all he has to do is look in the mirror and he’ll find it. As far as I’m concerned, he’s just as bad as TA and any other abuser at this point, playing the nice guy when it suits him, but transmorphing into a total asshole when his privilege is threatened.

            • I only saw seconds of that ridiculous propaganda Tape, But the stories and research I have read with regard to this cult are so similar especially how they view woman the deep sexuality problems. The language used by Travis is exactly the language used by many of these people, Money seems to be their GOD. Since their foundation is so disturbing to many people, I find it more then Odd that HLN has become a cheerleader for this CULT.\I say follow the Money.

  155. THE ALEXANDER FAMILY

    They’re creepy and they’re kooky
    The sunken cheeks are spooky
    We’d rather look at Snooki
    The Alexander Family

    The front row’s a museum
    When cameras turn to see ‘em
    They made the jury scre-um
    The Alexander Family.

    It’s one of those days.

    • If you guys want to see something inappropriate, look at the Phoenix New Times, The picture of JA was on the cover of the printed issue. And no jurors are going to see this? I would never want to be accused of anything in Arizona

          • I can’t believe they really think the jurors are walking around with blinders on. The damaging material on Jodi is everywhere! On television, the radio, the internet, etc.-you don’t even have to consciously be looking for it. Obviously, the jurors are not walking around with blinders on, but, of course, they will say-and probably really believe, at least consciously-that all this anti-Jodi sentiment reflected everywhere will not influence them.

            One can’t help but wonder, however, if the jurors are secretly not at least a little concerned if they decide on anything less than murder 1 and the death sentence-especially with what happened to the jurors after the Casey Anthony trial!

      • How did the picture characterize her? Can the jury read the newspaper? or are they told not to read anything during the trial?

        • You can click the link yourself and look at the far right.

          She’s portrayed as batshit crazy, with a little evil thrown in.

        • You have to look at the online pic, it’s on the cover in the print version, it says pyscho killer. And even if no one from the jury picks it up and reads it, they could still see the cover just by walking by.

    • A little harsh? His family is grieving. They know the version the media has spewed based on his so-called friends’ statements.

        • This trial is taking its toll on them as well. I mean, imagine if you found out all this stuff about a loved one after they passed?

          • You have a good point. My “humor” is sometimes offensive, but I never intend it to be. If I met Travis’ brother and sisters, I would feel compassion for them for what they’re suffering. They didn’t have anything to do with this mess, but here they are left to try to pick up the pieces.

            I realize they have been influenced by the media, and who knows what Martinez has told them. So they’re out for blood. Well, I’m on Jodi’s side, and if someone is after her blood, a little good-natured ribbing doesn’t conflict with my moral standards, not that I have that many to start with.

            The very first time I saw those people, I said to myself, “These people look like extras in a vampire movie who wandered into the courthouse to get out of the sun.” I didn’t think that because I want to hurt them or because I dislike them. I thought that because that’s what made sense to me at the time.

            I rarely go to this extent to explain what I say, but you’re very polite and you brought up points that made me stop and think. I will probably go easier on the family from this point on. But I won’t stop thinking they look like the living dead. I know it’s not their fault. I know they’re not trying to entertain me. But they really are a weird looking family. Travis was weird looking, too, but not like this.

            Thank you for taking the time to reply to my comment. I soooooo appreciate the fact that this website is one of the few places with people who have enough class to disagree but still maintain respect among one another.

            • Oh I agree. I just saw several comments before, people insulting Travis’s family. It sort of bothered me. I am on this site because I believe this was in self-defense, and therefore Jodi deserves to go free. At the same time, the thought of Travis being dead makes me cry, because I hear Jodi’s testimony, and I know she didn’t want this to happen. Travis was a living person, this seems so surreal, like a movie, but it isn’t.

              Here’s the thing – and this is my opinion. Even the worst, most hated person on earth – if they do at least one good deed, has good in them, no matter what else they do, they still did good. That means, they have potential for more. Every human life is valuable. I can’t imagine how is family must be feeling. I never felt it was fair for them to be under attack when it wasn’t them spreading rumors about Jodi, it was people who were in Travis’s circle. I mean, we don’t even really know if Travis told his friends that Jodi stalked him, or if his friends are all making that up (or perhaps Travis said it jokingly once, and now his friends are using that joke to their advantage).

              To me, insulting Travis isn’t really fair either. Travis had an abusive childhood. To me, both him and Jodi are victims of their childhoods. Nobody won in this case. There is no justice in this case. Travis is dead, Jodi’s life will never ever be the same, and all because the adults they were supposed to trust the most in their lives betrayed them. Where is the justice in that? Children are innocent, and it is so unfair when a terrible childhood affects them negatively as adults. Nothing about this case is okay. 🙁 Jodi did what she had to do, and it was horrifying and tragic, she is a victim. But, again, to me, so is Travis – he was most likely abusive because of his childhood,

              • NK,
                I agree with you. I don’t think is necessary to insult Travis’s family. I believe in justice, but I also believe in respecting the dead and his family. I do feel bad for Travis as well as for his family. I had a very harsh childhood too, and when I read Travis’s story, it made me cry.I also believe that children are innocent and they suppose to be happy. This is just a sad story that has touch many people. Unfortunately, some in a very negative way. I believe that Travis was a victim too that did not get help on time and he dragged Jodi along causing this terrible tragedy to happen.

          • Seriously I do not think they thought Travis was a saint they are just wanting to portray that now after a horrible death. Anybody that has a brother that is disrespectful to woman I just can’t believe they never ever seen it. That does not happen over night or in your late 20’s either. A few of them grew up together I know that not sure which ones but at least one sister knows. I have a brother that is not so nice an I do not condone it an would not be shocked if I got a call one day he was killed. I would be sad not shocked or appalled though an certainly would not be WISHING Death on a young woman that put up with his antics an got nothing in return not even just a little bit of love but disrespect a lot.

          • NK..please read the link below…it is sad, but I do not believe that this family would EVER agree with your post…I feel and have similar compassion for humankind as you do..that family is stuck going in one direction and that is to watch Jodi die…they have no heart and no compassion for Jodi…they eagerly sit there and roll their eyes and the hatred is obvious…and unless they ask God for some forgiveness for their own hatred and anger toward Jodi…their own hatred and anger will eat them alive…they will not live long either…

            http://www.hlntv.com/slideshow/2012/09/25/victims-sister-i-hope-jodi-arias-dies

            Tanisha says…she wants the woman who is accused of killing her brother to pay the ultimate price.

            Tanisha says… this might sound creepy, but I hope to get to watch her die someday after she’s on death row.

            • I did see that. I will stand my post even if the family does not agree.

              The family does not know the real Jodi. The sad truth is, nobody does because the media has cried witch and thinks she deserves to be burned at the stake.

              His family never got to meet her. She said that during her testimony. This means, all they know is what they hear from his friends. If you were in their situation, who would you believe? The friends of your loved one, or the one who said they killed your loved one in self-defense? I can’t blame them. They are family. They cannot be objective in this case, even if they had all the proof in the world that their brother abused her, they will still not be able to be object. It’s their brother. They have good memories of him, and that is how they want to remember him. They are in denial, they don’t want to hear the negative. I can’t blame them. Travis isn’t in jail with Jodi trying to get him to stay there with her testimony. Travis is dead.

              • From following those links, I can’t believe that Tanisha is only 33. She looks a lot older though I’m sure that a lot of that is due to stress and fatigue. I would have put her at around my age (37) or even a bit older.

              • Wow, and she has grandkids already? Is she referring to her husband’s grandkids from another relationship (he looks to be a lot older than her).

          • Consider me the resident Court Jester. No pun intended. This is a very serious situation we’re dealing with, and I try to bring a few laughs here and there just to ease things up a little. I have a website that I have completely ignored while following the trial and reading and participating here. On that site, nothing is sacred and nobody (in context) gets away unscathed – but always in fun, never in hatred.

            I’m currently working on a heaven version of “Travis Alexander: This Is Your Life” farce. I may paste it here if I can ever finish it. I also have a “Scrabble Night At The Martinez House” piece in the works.

            I’m glad you site mods don’t think I’m too far out. I really do want to learn, and this is the best place on the Internet to not only learn but to THINK and REASON and DEBATE. Thank you so much for making this site.

            Sarah!

            • I’m sorry Sarah, there’s some confusion. I’m not a mod here. Just 100% Team Jodi. I don’t mind passing along messages to the mods if you need me to though.

              I can’t speak for the mods but I personally don’t think it’s out of line. The stuff we post here is G rated compared to the filth the haters keep spewing elsewhere. I think as long as we stay family friendly there should be no problems.

              I agree, this is a terribly serious case. I think we use humor to cope with the stress, that is not something anyone should be condemned for.

              Keep up the good work. 🙂

  156. Dr. Drew is talking about how Jodi is mirroring her attorney…IS THIS ALL THAT THEY CAN FIND TO FAULT HER WITH…

    Dr. Drew needs a good PSYCHIATRIST

    And it looks as though Dr. Drew and all those other media people on his show are all mirroring each other….YUCK

    • Mirror…Mirror on the wall…who’s the craziest of ’em’ all…Dr. Drew and his crazy cronies on his show.

      See how crazy this sounds…and he is supposed to be a (cough) DOCTOR?

      • lol no kidding. What ever happened to FIRST DO NO HARM. This is the oath he took when he got the privilege of putting Dr in front of his name.

        He’s had at least five people under his care commit suicide (that we know of). This is one dude I have no problem with telling that he ought to quit his day job.

    • Yup, what a douche. He should just come out and say – “I’m not a real Dr., but I play one on TV.” He’s an embarrassment to the profession.

      • I saw him on a talk show a couple of weeks ago, they had the audience asking him questions, and he couldn’t answer at all. They put a quick end to that segment. lol

  158. I watch the trial on YouTube. Here’s how I deal with Jodi-haters over there. (This is from this morning’s court session re: Dr. Samuels.)

    islandfever 4 minutes ago

    Just because someone is a professional, it doesn’t mean that they are ethical or even competent for that matter. They went to school, passed the tests, got the credentials and then went into business. The same can be said for anyone in any type of business. Just because you went to school and obtained the credentials to become, say, a plumber, it doesn’t mean that you are either a good or honest plumber.
    • in reply to Mo-annie Mc (Show the comment)

    Sarah Paxton 1 second ago

    That’s true, but you have to give Martinez credit for trying.
    • in reply to islandfever (Show the comment)

  159. i post below to the YAHOO! (SEE LINK BELOW) re: Jodi. they r panning her, etc and seem like hln, cnn DRONES.
    if u have a minute, post some pro jodi. my post name there is ‘CINO’. im prob. getting panned real good! 🙂

    —————————————————————————-
    “very interesting… people are all about hating ms. arias even tho Alexander ADMITTED RAPING HER in his OWN WORDS. AND thought that a 12 yr. old girls 1st orgasm is hot. again, quoted in his OWN WORDS, among other crap.
    USUALLY, a woman raped, etc. gets sympathy. but Arias gets scorn? the guy getting killed does not explain the hate for ms. Arias.
    and people want the person who was RAPED to be killed. interesting juxtaposition.”
    ——————————————————————–
    LINK to article, etc.

    http://gma.yahoo.com/psychologist-admits-arias-lied-him-161706744–abc-news-topstories.html

      • well, it is not for me, but to HELP stifle EVEN A LITTLE, the public vitriol towards jodi.
        getting a yahoo email is quik and easy… posting here is great and all but showing our minority views elsewhere seem important. yahoo is not like fb where that site steals WAY too much info. yahoo (and some others) u enter skant info.

        oh well.

        • i should have also added, it’s less info than that petition many of us signed.

          i am disappointed AND NOW QUITE DISILLUSIONED that ppl here, esp. a “team jodi’er” thinks it’s such a hassle to post some objective/pro jodi somewhere where they r TRASHING HER mercilessly.

          i entered real info here, the petition, letters to hln, cnn, grace, ETC.
          i WAS going out of my way, out of my COMFORT ZONES, guess it’s easier/safer to just stay within the “friendly, soft confines” here, where we just preach to the choir.

          hmmmm… makes one wonder… makes ME wonder… about a lot of things… here… now.

      • Yes, so true. Yahoo is full of… well… yahoos. I remember when that wasn’t the case, back when the Internet was about meeting and greeting via Clubs then Groups; rather than the “News and Views” culture HLN has stupidly fostered since they got on FaceButt. Now look at it – it’s a cesspool of morons.

  160. Holy mother of god. Are ya’ll watching Travis on Dr. Drew. The character he is trying to display is unfortunately who he really was. I am so not taken by this. Anyone else with me?

    • He showed what a crude person he was, and yet Dr. Drew and the rest were going on and on about how wonderfully funny and endearing he was …

        • Yeah, I really don’t see the humor in them at all. They don’t really offend me, they’re just stupid.

      • Everyone here needs to see this video of Travis. You’ll have to research HLN web site to view it, it’s worth it.

        • Well, I wish somebody would have a direct link to the video. What I see is him doing the “chicken dance,” with a glimpse of Jodi in it.

      • Well, exactly, sz. I used to have some respect for Dr. Drew, but I don’t have anymore at this time.

    • I watched it after avoiding all HLN all day just to tweet out how vile this show is.

      Wow, Travis looks more gay than your average gay man. Childishly hideously crazy, if nothing else.

            • You don’t have to approve of it. I have friends who are gay and i would never disparage them. I don’t have the right to do that. I would never disparage you for your sexuality either, though.

            • Greg, I am a 56 year old widowed woman, white in race, who tends to fall into the more liberal side of the political spectrum. I am neither “taking it in the butt” or “getting licked”. I work very hard and take care of an adult son with schizophrenia. I am very concerned about Jodi’s life. That’s why I’m here. You can think what you wish. I am sure others here will surmise their own opinions. I wish you well.

            • Hey Greg,
              Stick to the subject of Jodi. Being rude and cruel just makes you like all the other haters.
              One question for you…when did you decide to be straight?

      • I think I know what you’re saying, Jan, but really, I think a lot of gay people would take great offense at your statement. I have one gay friend who especially would. I don’t think my good friend would consider himself as being any of the adjectives you describe.

        • I don’t hate gay people. they should be who they are and not pretend to be hetero he-man and control a doormat victim like Jodi. His sexual fight within himself is what made him crazy. And dangerous. I feel sorry for any woman involved with a gay man, it’s a tragedy and destroys their lives. This is an extreme case of that, cause he was an extreme guy.

      • Looks gay to me too. Which would be fine with me, if he had dealt with his sexuality openly, instead of subjugating Jodi to his ass obsessions and hating her for it.
        He was also looking for a “good” Mormon girl to possibly save face and establish ‘respectability’, and I resent that too, not just for Jodi, but for that “good” girl’s future life with him as well.

          • Yes ! but we know about FALSE FRONTS Travis was a great one at being FALSE in a lot of ways……………….I felt so bad for Jodi having to listen to LISA that other woman. Travis was pursuing her but SCREWING JODI really disgusted me.

            I just have a gut feeling also it would have just been another FRONT for the CHURCH. A converted Mormon is not as great as getting a born into the MORMON CHURCH LDS whatever they want to call it. IT is the BOOK OF MORMON not the BOOK OF LDS. I get people wanting me not to call them MORMONS ?? IS why I added that part……….

    • Yeah, is unbelievable. Dr. evil love to invite people to his show just to trash Jodi over and over. My God, how come he never invite people who’s in favor of Jodi. No, instead he only brings TA’s friends because he knows they will always going to be on TA side and talk garbage about Jodi. I hate this guy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!#@#$%%^^^^#$#

    • I think today was a good day for the defense the jury got to hate JM more. He was so annoying, and it was very hard to understand the point he was trying to make.

  161. Hey…did you see the film about Travis’ on Dr. Drew tonight…they just showed him walking back and forth with the girl wig on with the sunglasses…sleeveless muscles shirt…(LOOK AT THE SIZE OF HIS ARMS)…he looks fat somewhat too…then he said “unk” and he flipped both hands at the the crotch front of his short making notice to his crotch area in his revealing knit shorts that he is wearing…

    As you are watching this video…did you notice the movements of Travis as he keeps thrusting his crotch up and toward the people on the front row…hiking his legs as he is walking…

    He may be acting out the fictitious character of Eddie Snell…but Eddie Snell was a motivational speaker not a crotch thruster…

    What I saw in this video is a Travis that likes to be a showoff with that muscle type shirt and knit shorts and crotch thrusting and legs hiking…

    I was once married to an abuser that showed off like that and he always like to wear his knit shorts with no underwear just so people could see the outline of his male part…these type of guys are such showoffs…

    • So it’s one of those “Eddie Snell” videos. I have probably already seen it.

      They aren’t very funny, especially the one where Travis makes light of beating up women.

    • OMG he is so disgusting to me in those EDDIE SNELL video’s too. I said before I know it was suppose to be funny for the PPL group. But it also is disturbing as his mannerisms are very egotistical an not hard at all for him to do. An I too think he craved the attention with the short shorts………….sorry but manly men do not wear crap like that they don’t want the nut sack to escape by accident anyways hahaha

      An another thing I find interesting was a picture beside COLORADO CITY ? that is famous for FDLS groups the very strange ones. Maybe regular Mormon’s live there too but that would be weird since I do not thing they have the same beliefs?

      An someone else said with him wearing those clothes where were his Religious Garments ?

      • Greg says:

        Man,
        don’t watch Dr. Drew. I am sorry but JM is an asshole, his tactics are going to backfire on him. The media
        who loves our so wonderful loser President will get this wrong. They might have got his sorry ass reelected, but they won’t get our Jodi. I am done watching these trash shows.

        I happen to like President Obama and dislike Mr. Martinez. Having said that, I’m not nearly as confident as you, Greg, but I do hope with my whole heart that Jodi gets a really good break.

          • Greg –
            You started off with a good point in your original post and then digressed.
            Maybe you should leave well enough alone?

        • OH no not politics ! I did not vote for EITHER ! voted INDEPENDENT ……………..an after finding out so much about Religions an how they are I do not see how a President that is a Mormon or LDS really could be for the people. For the MEN yes but women would have to take a back seat.

  163. Eddie Snell sucks.

    Dr. Pinsky said, he was so full of life (shit).

    These HLN host are the worst. They should all be on a Mexican Soap Opera.

  165. Also on Dr. Drunk, they showed this clip on JA taking a yellow folder off the table and sit on it (yes, it seemed like odd behavior for JA to do in open court). Well, Janine the Human Lier (lie detector my foot). said something so crass, it got my blood boiling. She said that perhaps JA missed having something put over ‘there’!! What kind of people spit and laugh at someone when they are already down? THe eniire crew joined in and laughed about the comment. Nobody told her to put a sock in it. Wow, just wow!!! Didn’t anyone see this?

    • There were so many tweet attacks against @DrDrew tonight that they immediately stopped joking and laughing. Go to twitter and search DrDrew. Twitter has an effect. More people should be tweeting against HLN.

      • Jan, was it on this issue. What gets me is that she claims to be a abuse victim and was all weepy just a week or so ago and everybody was consoling her, etc. Zero compassion from any of them. And, you don’t even need to be a abuse victim to know when to draw the line. I am still reeling from that clip and their inhumane reaction.

        • I don’t remember the tweets exactly but quite a few mentioned that vile woman specifically. I’ve been watching this HLN crap for quite a while and they’ve gotten worse and worse. Now they’re completely over the edge, the script is written in stone and no one is allowed to comment otherwise. Making millions off their low life audience.

          My point is that twitter is there, easy peasy, and the media in general and these people do pay attention. Honest to God.

          @janapparent

          • Jan saw your comment there too! Thank goodness there are a few out there who recognize vileness (if that is a word) when they see it. They have totally gone over to the DARKSIDE, every single one of them. Yah, Nancy G. the devil is indeed dancing tonite!!!!

    • I did not see that. But I’m not surprised at anything that piece of shit says. She’s a sorry excuse for a human being.

    • I missed that but can imagine. That lie detector woman is so loud and obnoxious with her repeated finger jabs, and the way they are all acting about this tragedy is just sick

    • Janiene’s comments sickens me. She is the same person who said Jodi deserves to die and said that her grandmother always said, “If you kill my cat, I’ll kill your dog” or “If you take my cat, I’ll take your dog” or something like that.

      Really, really disgusting that she’d make those comments about Jodi’s sex life. That’s really petty.

    • No I missed that one but others were referring to Anal Leakage from over use. I was disgusted also.

    • I saw that video and Dr. drew and Co. are total asses. They are disgusting beyond belief. What they fail to mention is that there is another video showing what really happened with that folder. The video description says something like, “oops, wrong..she put the folder on the table” (paraphrasing) and it shows it quite clearly. I have been trying to find that video again ever since. I will keep looking and post it here when I find it.

  166. I am so glad I do not watch HLN I heard about their promo for Travis, I missed some of Martinez but what I saw was a BAD prosecutor, spent so much time on trivial matters he is very amateurish in his technical skills as a Prosecutor, and he SCREAMS Where is the Judge?? This is very unprofessional, I couldn’t watch I had to work and had a headache all day due yo this creep,just listening to him scream. He is badgering the witness and the Judge allows it. Bad Trial no control, She should have sequestered the Jury like they did in OJ since the media was so out of control. This is very frustrating.

    • I really cant see it. Im trying but I CAN’T. I think people are messing with this picture now.

      • I don’t think they’re trying to hurt with the claim, but actually help her.

        it almost does look as though there are two figures in temple garb on either side of her.

        • The picture may possibly be worth looking into by experts, if this can be done with expertise and current technology. I don’t really think, during the investigation, that anyone even tried to enlarge the eyes. Of course, If, and that’s a big IF, it 2 people in temple-style garb were really able to be identified, then the blood bath and throat-slashing could begin to make sense. While it sounds far-fetched, this wouldn’t be the first off-the-wall theory that later proved merit when tested, so who knows.

        • I don’t see a thing either.
          Funny that these jerks all see Jodi with a knife and a camera a couple of feet away, ‘Psycho’ style, without ever thinking in the little space left in their diminutive brain, that Travis would have grabbed her in less time than a photo shutter speed and taken the knife away.

    • If anything I see an outline of a person on their knees (JA?). It just proves that what she said is true, that she was on her knees outside of the shower taking his pictures.

    • There was a Doctor Or Scientist that was able to magnify the reflection in an ancient Cloth, You could see the reflection in the Eyes I am going to look this up.

    • Candie…I see that on the picture too…and if you read the Detailed Breakdown Report…in a drop down menu when you click on the Flores report above…Read who was at Travis’ home that Wednesday, June 4, 2008…

      I was impressed with Jose Baez on that mock trial last night when they were re-enacted the crime scene in that full scale MODEL of Travis’ bathroom and closet…Jose Baez was very firm in saying that you have to look at the PHYSICAL EVIDENCE and he said what Jodi has said is consistent with the PHYSICAL EVIDENCE…

      PHYSICAL EVIDENCE….So with this in mind… I went back to the Detailed Breakdown Report and re-read about the roommates and where they were at in Travis’ home that Wednesday June 4, 2008..I am looking for PHYSICAL EVIDENCE…I listed below SOME of the physical evidence in order for that June 4, 2008…

      1. The roommate Zach was off work that day…he was physically in the home in and out that day…

      2. Zach said that he returned his own car rental that morning…his car rental could considered into physical evidence if the detective investigated or not if Zach was telling the truth or not…Zach’s and Jodi’s car rentals are parked side by side on the same morning at Travis’ house…that was just too odd…odd…odd…

      3. Enrique said that he talked with Travis this Wednesday morning when he was on his way to work. He said that Travis told him that he had a conference call that afternoon…he also said that Travis told him that he only got 45 minutes of sleep that night…Enrique physically saw Travis on his laptop computer that morning…

      4. Zach says that he returned to Travis’ house around 3 pm…he was physically there in Travis’ home again that day…

      5. Zach says that he left Travis’ home around 4 pm…The other roommate Enrique said that he worked from 8-6pm and returned to Travis’ house after 6pm…Enrique is physically in Travis’ home after 6 pm..

      6. Zach says that he returned home after 9 pm…he is physically in the home again…

      7. Zach says that he washed clothes on Wednesday, June 4, 2008…we know that two loads of clothes were washed…Travis’ bedclothes were in the dryer…and his clothes and camera in washing machine..this is all physical evidence…both roommates said that they washed clothes that week and used the washer and dryer…Zach admitted he washed clothes on Wednesday…and Enrique said he washed clothes the first of the week….yet Travis’ bedclothes was found in the dryer and his Travis’ clothes and his camera was found in the washer by the detective after 10 pm on Monday night June 9, 2008…So Zach and Enrique washed clothes that week using Travis’ washer and dryer….SO WHICH ONE OF THEM WASHED TRAVIS’ BEDCLOTHES AND TRAVIS’ CLOTHES AND CAMERA that was found after 10 pm on Monday night by the detective…

      8. Zach said that he cleaned his girlfriend home earlier that day…and yet when he returns to Travis’ home he noticed furniture moved about and floor cleaner on the floor and he thought that Travis was preparing to clean the floor…the physical evidence here would be the furniture moved around and the floor cleaner on the floor…

      9. Enrique told the detective that only 5 people had been in the home that week of June 2nd…the physical presence of Travis, Zachary, Amanda, Enrique and his girlfriend, Kim…

      10. The two roommates…Zach and Enrique….and their two girlfriends….Amanda and Kim…all 4 people were physically in Travis’ home that entire week…yet none report or smell the decomposing smell in the home…yet the detective smelled it as he entered through the front door…and only Enrique admitted that he smelled and unusual smell but didn’t ask anyone about it…

      11. Travis CTR ring and watch was found on the kitchen counter on Thursday after 6 pm , June 5, 2008…by Enrique’s girlfriend, Kim….this is huge physical evidence…Enrique said Travis never went anywhere without them…remember these are the same roommates that said that yes, they saw Travis car in the carport, but they thought he was gone to his trip to Cancun…(YET HE NEVER GOES ANYWHERE WITHOUT HIS CTR RING OR WATCH)…Someone is lying….

      • Candie…The Physical Evidence leads me to believe that one of the roommates was in the home when the gun went off…and the rest is self-explanatory…

        • Candie…Things to Ponder…who might have run up the stairs upon hearing Jodi screaming and the noise that was going on upstairs…who might also be the one in that photo…???

          Enrique was back in Travis’ home right after he got off work at 6 pm that Wednesday, June 4, 2008…and if you look at the time that is dated on the bottom of the last photos of Travis that fateful evening then you can see that Enrique was in Travis’ home within minutes after his death…

          Who washed the two loads of clothes from Travis’ bedroom???

          Enrique’s girlfriend, Kim, finds Travis’s CTR ring and watch on the kitchen counter the next evening on Thursday, June 5, 2008 after 6 pm…

          Who said that Travis never goes anywhere without his CTR ring and watch???

          • the more and more I look at the photo, the more I def see the one that I outlined in the second link….

            it’s creepy and almost making me go back to my thoughts that she didn’t do this alone

      • Don’t forget also that Enrique also saw Travis at 6:30pm on that conference call while he was eating in the kitchen.

        And that Zach said that the floor cleaner was put away a day or two later –said maybe by Enrique–, and that the said floor cleaner was in the middle of the floor again according to Mimi’s testimony when she entered the house on Monday.

        • viri…good work…

          I wonder why the detective didn’t put his own report in a chronological order like our Detailed Breakdown Report…if he had done that…surely he would have seen what we all see when we read his own words…it is very telling…

    • There is a better one on U TUBE an I do see the 3 people 2 standing an one on their knees.

  168. On HLN AFTER DARK: “Is Jodi faking her own PTSD?” OH god!!!! Did she even KNOW what the test was for??????

    • How in the hell could you fake it when you don’t even know how the tests are scored?

      Sheesh.

  169. the doctor is talking about memery loss… here is one I had ex-husband in the 70 wanted to wife swap and I raised as a catholic was horrified husband began with girl and her husband came after me dont remember anything after that. in 87 met friend of boyfriend and her husband looked like the man that wanted to have the 4some i kept looking at him and my mind went to the time in the 70 and the next thing i noticed was waking up on the floor i had a grand mal sezuire sorry for the spelling so if what happen to jodi and she cant remember i believer her she does not remember the stabbing.

  171. i thought yesterday was really bad but today when the defence took back control it all change back for the good guys and Martinez must have been 75% stressed after that one

  172. Greg, I am a 56 year old widowed woman, white in race, who tends to fall into the more liberal side of the political spectrum. I am neither “taking it in the butt” or “getting licked”. I work very hard and take care of an adult son with schizophrenia. I am very concerned about Jodi’s life. That’s why I’m here. You can think what you wish. I am sure others here will surmise their own opinions. I wish you well.

    • WTF???? I am just catching up on here after several hours. Greg not only are you rude and disrepectful to not only gay people, but to anyone who has any common decency or manners. Your little diatribe regarding politics makes me believe you have some serious issues you might be struggling with. Totally uncalled for. “Take it in the butt”…and then “Obama and liberals”??? Ummmm….sounds a bit like you have missed the topic here, or else you missed the point of this board? I have to give SD alot of credit for being so calm after that vile attack.

  177. I wasn’t able to watch live today…and now watching via youtube , in all honesty this has been one of the more difficult days for me to watch. JM needs a swift kick in the ass, this man is infuriating! The judge overrules EVERYTHING practically , and icing on the cake is Travis’ family who clearly through the eye rolls , death stares, and inappropriate laughter is mourning beyond words.. Lock them all away…

    • I can’t stand the judge and kermit…

      Travis’ family…well I feel really sorry for them to be honest. Sorry for their loss and sorry they have so much hate in them..it will eat away at them and cause them problems if they let it.

      • In Sheppard v. Maxwell, 384 U.S. 333 (1966), the Supreme Court ruled that the right to a public trial is not absolute. In cases where excess publicity would serve to undermine the defendant’s right to due process, limitations can be put on public access to the proceedings. According to Press-Enterprise Co. v. Superior Court, 478 U.S. 1 (1986), trials can be closed at the behest of the government on account of there being “an overriding interest based on findings that closure is essential to preserve higher values and is narrowly tailored to serve that interest.” The accused may also request a closure of the trial; though, it must be demonstrated that “first, there is a substantial probability that the defendant’s right to a fair trial will be prejudiced by publicity that closure would prevent, and second, reasonable alternatives to closure cannot adequately protect the defendant’s right to a fair trial.”
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      • My compassionate side truly feels for them, however their behavior is immature and inappropriate . I feel the same way when I have seen Jodi make less than favorable faces, so there is no bias in that aspect. In some ways it would be nice if there were rules about that sort of thing . Oh wait, that’s right.. There are.

  178. HLN

    Vinnie Politan is an ex-lawyer who tonight is playing a lawyer in a fake trial with fake jurors on a fake news channel and has called Dr. Drew Pinsky, an internist and addiction medicine doctor (questionable), as an expert witness on PTSD (Dr. Drew admitted he “googled” the signs/symptoms of PTSD). All we need now is Nazi Gwace (think Barbara Walters voice) pretending to be a ballroom dancer.

    P.S. The mock trial tonight on the question “Is Jodi Arias Faking PTSD” had 2 jurors voting NOT GUILTY (she is not faking). I believe that’s 3 stunts that back-fired on them. One guy who voted NO said “she might be lying about PTSD but we can’t prove it so I voted NOT GUILTY.”

    • I know, I saw it. WHAT A JOKE!! Why is this vinnie idiot guy not a lawyer anymore? ??? I see Martinez in the same path as vinnie. LOSER!!

  179. Go figure,
    the body language lady on Dr. Drew used to be a stand up comedienne. Now she’s hilarious while trying to appear serious.

    • Ohnooooo, did SD lv??? I hope she/he doesn’t think we were ok with that greg person talking to her/him that way and she/him comes back. I wasn’t even in it but feel bad. Gerg was way out of line!!! SD if your reading, come back. : ))

    • SD, don’t go!

      If it’s worth anything, I know how you feel. Some people are only here to cause trouble, and they target anyone who seems easy to tear down so they can feel better. They are cowards, please don’t let them ruin the site for you.

      SJ, or JC – if SD is gone is there any way you can send an email to bring her back??

  181. user and a loser. mr travis. God help your soul. HE LIVED A LIE TO HIS FRIENDS AND FAMILY. God rest your soul and give grace to Jodi.

  182. I couldn’t RESIST!!

    This is from an HLN post: “I noticed that everyone, especially the front row, was taking notes first thing this a.m when Juan was up. Nobody was taking notes when Wilmott came back up for rebuttal. ”

    Are they really that stupid? They don’t realize the reason they were writing so much during kermit’s XE is because they have questions because Kermit is a lousy prosecutor and interrupts people?

    HAHAHAHAHALOLOLOLOLHAHAHAHAHA.

    ok, I just had to do that.

    • True BeeCee, good point, they could very well be writing questions.

      Another thought I had, maybe they have to take so many notes when Martinez is talking because they can remember what he said later?

      Since Willmott is easy to understand (not yelling, interrupting, etc) they can actually remember what she’s said?

      One must understand what is being said in order to remember it, I would think.
      And I would think one’s verdict would rely somewhat on what they remember from the trial.

      Maybe I’m way out there.
      Just tought I’d throw it out there.

      • I agree with you M, I don’t think you are way out there. I do predict they have questions because he makes it hard to understand.

  185. Just got home from birthday dinner with my son (mine not his) and read thru the above posts. Sounds like an interesting afternoon with JW doing rehab of Dr. Samuels. I dozed off during the afternoon break and woke up just in time to see the “Great Seal” re-appear…..now we have to wait until 1pm tomorrow?

    I find Greg’s post to be very offensive. One of my very best friends is a gay man….and I support President Obama. This is not the venue for bigotry and disparaging political remarks. Everyone on this site has always shown a lot of class and respect for one another…

    Gonna go watch what I missed from this afternoon….its still fairly early here on the west coast (SF area)

    • Kitty, I found his comments offensive too but didn’t say anything because I didn’t want to bother with someone small minded…… im in the WC too, its early enough….. I think today was a good day for Jodi, I loved mrs Wilmot, see for yourself and let us know what u thk.

      • LC…I should have probably just let his remarks go too….just kinda got my dander up when I read them.

        Thanks for the reply…going to watch now.

    • I only saw part of Greg’s post but of what I saw was very offensive. One of my favorite Aunts is Gay as well as many of my great friends. I supported President Obama in both elections but I am not sure what that has to do with this trial anyway. I am glad they kicked him off because there is no room for that type of behavior here.

      • Definitely not. They are haters that want to disrupt anything positive here and intimidate people off the site. It’s been noted that a lot of Travistown seems populated with people who hate Obama, deny global warming, ect. You know, Glen Beck batshit crazy kinda people that are afraid of any kind of progress. Sad that I can’t type that without worrying if someone is going to start an argument with me, I’ve gotten personal attacks here on this site for less than that.

  186. My favorite lyrics:

    “if you’re weak, it’s not a crime
    don’t you know it’s a blessing in disguise
    to know whose honest and who spreads lies
    worry ends when faith begins”

  187. I found this…it looks like a lot of friends including Travis and Jodi are having a lot of fun at this dance…and today Travis’ friends are bad mouthing Jodi…those friends are liars…

    Travis does Chicken Dance

    Jodi is seen taking pictures

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7DVF_S5ZpI

    • Yeah when they showed this on one of the hln shows last week I think they said this was a sign of her stalking behavior. Wow they will pull a rabbit out of any hat. How is the fact she is taking pictures of a fun event stalking behavior? I am pretty sure that everyone there knew she was taking the photos and who is filming this? Are they stalkers as well? Reaching

      • Good point AJ…

        When Jodi was coloring her hair blonde and wearing some makeup…she was more beautiful than any of those other girls that Travis and Jodi associated with…and not everyone can say that they photograph beautiful…yet Jodi is beautiful in all of her photos…

        Fact is….that a majority of girls are just jealous of girls that are prettier than they are…a lot will act vane and say that they aren’t jealous…but they are…it speaks in their actions toward the prettier girls…

        I had the same problems growing up…the men…the guys…some girls…many would actually stop me to comment on how beautiful that I was…and when I got old enough to work in the workplace you just don’t want to know how hateful these jealous girls acted toward me…even my own sister admitted not many years ago that she was always jealous of me because all she ever heard from own friends was how beautiful I was…and she resented me for it and she has kept her distance from me all these years…it is so sad that her own jealousy toward me has kept us apart…and she is family!!!

        This type of jealousy is human nature among many girls…and it creates horrible “drama” among the workplace…church…social functions…and etc…

  188. Have you guys watched the movie, The Stoning of Soraya M. (based on a true story). I saw this movie a few years ago and have NEVER been able to get the way this woman was tortured out of my mind. It always comes back and a few comment made, reminded me of this movie (true story) but I wanted to post it here because I want everyone to see it. If you haven’t seen this movie, Google it and at least read what it is about. What im trying to poin out is; if given the chance, I KNOW that many people INCLUDING TA family would take the chance in a heartbeat to stone Jodi to death, like they did to this poor women in this movie. If thats so, how would you guys feel then????? Im sorry, but to ME thats NOT excusable for any type of punishment. And to blv that there are people that lv amongst us that will LOVE to do this to Jodi (including the family), is sad and I wouldn’t feel bad for them because of this….

    • I agree LC, I have not seen this movie but this saddens me too. I have seen some of these horrible comments about what so many people would like to do to her. It’s sick. I am a Christian (Not a Mormon) but I believe in forgiveness and the actions of these people do not Glorify God. The things these people say they would do and how they would do is very graphic and disturbing.

    • I saw this movie awhile ago and, in fact, this movie has crossed my mind a couple of times through out this trial. The barbarism expressed by some people in our so called civilized society is really sad.

      I am not Catholic but I did watch the installation ceremony for the new pope last night. I found his homily to be very inspirational and touching….a reminder of how we are called to treat our fellow man. His message was very basic but powerful in it’s simplicity. When I went to bed I was reminded to hold Jodi in my prayers rather than worrying about the out come of this trial.

      • I pray for her daily. I pray many times during the day for her during this very tough trial. I have my entire family praying for her as well. I cannot give her comfort but I know God can.

    • LC, this movie has been on and off my mind for quite some time now. I too watched that two and a half years ago, I got it on sale when our local video store went out of business. I had no idea what I was in for, but I managed to make it through the whole thing. I’m not ashamed to admit I was reduced to a puddle of tears. Well that’s an understatement. And during the trial, sometimes I feel like that aunt that stood between the bloodthirsty crowd and Soraya towards the end.

      I totally agree, there are people here who would stone Jodi if they had the chance. And that is a really sick, horrible thing to come to terms with. We Americans keep telling ourselves how progressive and different we are from these fundamentalist countries; but the fact is we are not so different. Not anymore. Not when Jodi needs four male witnesses to vouch for her rape and abuse and a bloodthirsty mob wants her to die a horrible death. Americans are going downhill fast, thanks to our culture of aggression, bullying, and abuse; and there’s no way in hell we are going to improve if our kids grow up thinking this shit is ok.

    • And don’t forget when Jesus was walking through town carrying the cross on his back there were many men and women stoning him too….it is so sad that so many people out there are just down right hateful and cruel…

    • This trial isn’t even close to being over and they are already seeing $$$$$$. Sex-soaked? That oughta attract plenty of advertisers. SICK, SICK SICK!

      • The fact is that not many people want to see or hear the truth anymore…they thrive on the sensationalism of distorted truths being broadcast about people…it’s the new mental high like caffeine…

        Look at how disgusting the networks and social media are broadcasting now…just think what the future will become!!!

  191. I just finished watching the last part of the afternoon testimony, which I missed. JW really did a terrific job of rehabilitating Dr. Samuels testimony….does JM get another go at the Dr. ?

    Even if JM gets a chance to go after the Dr again, after JW’s performance this afternoon, I think JM could come off as being over the top in his conduct towards the Dr.

    • Krystal…one thing that I find odd…some said that is Jodi’s pant leg and foot…if it is…then why is she wearing what appears to be athletic type long legged pants and Travis is naked in the shower?

      Pondering thought…If I was taking photos of my guy naked in the shower…I would be naked too…it would be just too sexually stimulating taking nude photos of my guy and not be unclothed myself…

  193. A new picture just posted to TA facebook page…..JUAN MARTINEZ POSING ON THE COURT HOUSE STEPS WITH ONE OF DR DREW’S PUPPET WOMEN…I was so disturbed by it I can’t remember her name! Is this appropriate during the trial? Kermit sure seems happy….goofy grin!

    • Just remembered her name……Katie Wick and she is wearing a support TA ribbon…is it appropriate for the prosecutor during the trial? Seems pretty unprofessional to me.

      • Well, Jeff Ashton was high-fiving the Casey haters outside of the courtroom, so this behavior from Kermit doesn’t surprise me.

        Katie Wick is one of those Websleuth harpies with no life, right? Go back to work, lady.

        JC, thanks for banning that hateful idiot Greg.

    • It was asked a few days ago if they all have dinner and drinks after the trial each day to compare notes…no doubt they are feeding him something more than food…

  194. I go away for an evening and y’all start fighting with each other.

    With reference to the picture. Remember folks that was done with a digital camera. What that means is that beyond a certain level you really can’t zoom in. Digital pictures are made up of a bunch of pixels (small little squares of color). High resolution cameras may have a ton of pixels packed in and when you look at them on a normal computer screen, or with a 300 or 600 dots per inch printer, the pixels coalesce to give you a smooth looking picture. As you start zooming in the pixels start separating and soon you get that pixelated look everyone has seen. Now if you zoom in even more the display software on your computer has to do something with the fact that you have no more pixels to zoom in to. Some elementary software packages will repeat the pixels giving you that blurred look. Other fancier software packages will try and interpolate pixels between the ones that tuly exist. In either case what you are looking at are computer generated artifacts.

    By the way, this is why, even today super high resolution surveillance cameras use by the military use film. Because you get artifacts from zooming in to digital picture.

    Let’s assume that Travis’ camera was one of those high resolution 8 million pixel cameras. so on a 4X6 print we would have a flat print at 600 dpi. So now lets assume that the iris of the eye covers a tenth of an inch circle in a 4×6 print. This means the eye has about 2,600 pixels in it. Sounds like a lot of pixels but it really isn’t. Now if we zoom in by a factor of 10, so that the iris covers a 1 inch square we would have about 51 dots per inch. Even your cheapest printers (that have really lousy print quality) give you 300 dpi. At 51 dpi, you are literally joining dots to make it look like what you want it to be. This has as much bearing to reality as the big dipper (Ursa Major) has to a bear, or Orion in the night sky actually looks like the picture of a hunter.

  195. Jodi looked defeated today. I really liked the Doctor but personally I don’t think he is used to being grilled
    By JM. there has to be some kind of decorum in court. JM. Treated this professional man like a Quack he has probably ruined the guys career. I feel the doctor was so flustered he couldn’t concentrate so he along with all the witnesses got a taste of memory loss. Sadly, his inexperience with the pig JM caused him to do a great disservice to Jodi’s case. Why didn’t he redo the test? I would have symphony have said, Jodi’s memory loss was not due to her different story or lying but the act itself. She KNEW she did it. That is the point. I could tell you my PTSD was from being a battered wife but actually it was the death of my mother. Does that mean I don’t have it because I don’t tell you why or the truth. I was diagnosed with it before even telling the doctor what happened, because a previou doctor told me to get over it, everyone dies. Rubbish. Also who gives a crap,2 or 3 cans? Down the hall, up the hall, in the bathroom. My doctor an tell you I have an illness but probably NOT the details if my last flair up. JM is nasty. I am sad and sickened by what happened this good man was treated so badly BTW. my doctor Adores me.

    • I disagree about the Dr having his career ruined. Other than the brainless people on HLN, all one has to do is see that kermit went all over the place. Frankly I am surprised when people fall for his tactics on trying to show that someone is disorganized. I can’t believe people think the Dr. is disorganized based on that 🙂

      “Why didn’t he redo the test?” You might want to watch again. the test is a PART of a diagnosis, not the whole diagnosis, and also, the trauma is the same regardless of if a few answers would be different.

      • dr. drew gets ratings, as do the rest of them. all on jodi’s back. ALL ON TRASHING, BELITTLING JODI.
        then many of us here talk and post endlessly about them, furthering their bs… preaching to a friendly choir. don’t know what that is accomplishing.

        seems to me hln, cnn, and the tv heads have THIS ALL FIGURED out and r good at manipulating EVERYONE.

        they win… over and over.
        they will continue long after jodi is sentenced to at least 20 yrs. and jodi will become the butt of their snide remarks for years to come… and long after jodi supports further wanes.

        i’m disillusioned…

        • You are so right Frank…

          And after Jodi’s trial is over…there will be another person for them to feed on…the media are the new modern day vampires!

          They go for the blood! …blood slurping on either an emotional or physical level or both!

  196. i am sorta reposting from an above thread in which i posted a link to YAHOO! article in which Jodi was/IS getting TRASHED.
    i feel it is important for people to post elsewhere too a bit. i KNOW some of us do already.
    i HAD To sorta re-post this.

    SOMEONE MAKE ME FEEL BETTER!!

    … well, posting on that YAHOO! article is not for me, but to HELP stifle EVEN A LITTLE, the public vitriol towards jodi.
    getting a yahoo email is quik and easy… posting here is great and all, but showing our minority views elsewhere would SEEM important. yahoo is not like facebook where that site steals WAY too much info. yahoo (and some others) u enter skant info for an account.

    i should also added, it’s less info than that petition many of us signed.

    i am disappointed AND NOW QUITE DISILLUSIONED that ppl here, esp. a “team jodi’er” thinks it’s such a hassle to post some objective/PRO JODI where they r TRASHING Jodi mercilessly.

    i entered real info here, the petition, letters to hln, cnn, grace, ETC.
    i WAS going out of my way, out of my COMFORT ZONES, guess it’s easier/safer to just stay within the “friendly, soft confines” here, where we just preach to the choir.

    hmmmm… makes one wonder… makes ME wonder… about a lot of things… here… now. 🙁

    • Hi Frank,

      Stick to posting here in this site. Trying to educate the knuckle-dragging haters – albeit tempting – is a futile waste of time & energy. Let’s concentrate on all the positives here. The “trashing Jodi” TV shows & media stuff is made for clueless assholes who can’t think for themselves. If HLN announced that Christmas had been brought forward to next week, the haters would be out this afternoon shoplifting for gifts at Piggly Wiggly.

      Remember, WE ARE TEAM JODI, AND WE WILL BE VICTORIOUS!

      Never doubt it.

      Never question it.

      SJ
      Team Jodi

    • Frank…a long time ago…Jesus was persecuted…much in the same way as Jodi is being persecuted today… the blood thirsty modern day media vampires will never give up…

      If Jesus were in the “human flesh today”…I can see him sitting on a grassy hill and speaking to his followers in his soft spoken voice he says, “So where does EVIL reside?”

      • i get ur point, i think. i guess I would’ve stood up to Jesus’ naysayers, not that i’m super religious, just indoctrinated as a catholic back in the day.
        i think Jesus and i would be cool friends. i wouldn’t even need to be in his inner circle.

        it’s like standing up to bullies. i’ve done that for my brother, for a few others, myself. that’s how i tend to roll. if something presents itself somehow, guess that’s where the YAHOO!’ers/Jodi intersect for this post

        i mean Jesus went ballistic and THREW people outta the temple. he was NOT always a soft spoken dude.

        BUT, wouldn’t he do something about the “evil”? just talking to the diciples in a room wasn’t what he did ALL the time.

        thnx…

        • Hi Frank,

          IDK if you are going to see this or not but just in case; I do go to the hater sites and attempt to educate. It does seem to get one out of maybe 40 thinking about truth/lies about this case. However, for the last week I have been getting personal message hate-mails. I think it is frightening to know these people now seem to be stalking me to try to convince/intimidate me into their views. I believe it is good to stand up for the sane minority; but if we go to those sites, we should also consider the personal backlash. It’s not for everyone.

  197. Hey there like minded !! OMG! There are other people out there that believe Jodi didn’t premeditate this murder!!!!! I was beginning to believe I was the only one! HLN just pisses me off! And I so hope JM’s tactics backfire on him!
    I just read through the posts here and it’s the first time I have even heard about the possibility of a mormon cover up, but what I know of the Mormon empire, it would not surprise me one bit. But, makes me so sad for Jodi. I continue to pray for her to be released from all charges against her.

    Glad to have found this site- a place to go to read perspective from others besides the Jodi haters. I swear the poor girl can’t even sit right without being criticized!

    Be talking to you all soon!

  198. Hey everyone,

    A friend sent me this info – “Two Jodi Arias trial observers were just expulsed from the courtroom just now. Apparently one observer said to another, “I wish Jodi were dead.” One of Jodi’s family members complained and security removed the two women.”

    Perhaps that’s what caused Judge Sherry’s concern? ( She should be gravely concerned imo, but perhaps I’m overreacting.

    We get a lot of comments asking, “what if this was your brother, son etc.

    I know me and I would want a fair trial. I wouldn’t want to answer to God someday that I as a family member asked for the death penalty. A close friend of mine went through hell when her sister was murdered. Her sister was 12. At first, of course she wanted the person to die but in the end, the family asked for LWOP. She did not want to to ask for the death of somone else. So my answer to those who ask this is – of course I can’t be sure of how I’d react, but i suspect, I wouldn’t want to face my maker someday knowing i thought I had the right to ask for death and advocate daily for it. Id want to move on. I wouldn’t want anger in my heart for years. ANd yes, I do know someone who suffered an unfathomable loss of a sibling, and did NOT seek blood.

    NO offense to those who believe in the DP and those who do not believe.

  199. We hear morning, noon and night what a great prosecutor Juan is. So what does that say about how society views someone as successful? I can say with all my heart that if I had to live through something like this, I wouldn’t condone a prosecutor who behaves like this. There is something to be said for the blogs written about the ‘rise of narcissism in ‘successful’ people. However, i see Juan as something more sinister.

    He has a code of ethics to follow too. Obviously, he isn’t held to that standard though. The way he treated this expert went above and beyond his role as a justice seeker. He may have his fans, but I am not one of them. I’m feel sad that people out there actually minimize his behavior as just part of his job.

    In other trials, with other judges, his behavior would not have been allowed.

    HLN is fostering the idea that abuse by him is normal.

  200. Apologies you may already know this but for those of you who didn’t.

    Now we know who is releasing those tapes of Jodi:

    “Next: The Arias jury won’t see what we’ve got our hands on, but you will. We’ll show you everything that was just released at 9ET/6PT on HLN.
    Courtesy: Siskiyou Co., AZ Sheriff’s Dept.”

    Except Siskiyou Co, is in california. HLN can’t even get that right!

    Point is – the sherrif’s office is feeding HLN this crap now. Notice the disclaimer. How did they know the jury isn’t watching?

  201. Great site! I am so disgusted by the character assassination that J Martinez, HLN, and Tru TV are handing everyone involved in this trial who supports Jodi.
    The salacious intent of every talking head on air spotlights the worst of us!
    I live in the heart of Mesa AZ amongst the “Stepford Lives’ (Mormon) community, and can see where there would be multitudes of those who know more but keep silent in fear of retaliation..
    The more coverage I see on this case, the more sympathetic I am towards Jodi.
    From the preoccupation of her sex life is a public violation as far as I am concerned.
    TV was as promiscuous as she’s ever been!
    Of course what she did was wrong, but to give her the death penalty would be worse than what she did~organized murder by jury!! Totally wrong. I wish someone with guts would voice what they know about TA’s temper / history….

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