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Jodi Arias Trial – Day 30 (afternoon session)

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  1. first??
    I love Nurmi’s face when he objects to sth and seems like he’s had enough of M’s crap!

  2. Jodi’s got him by the throat. JM is very, very frustrated he can’t get anywhere with her. He can’t trip her at all.

  3. My god, I just got back on since the “in chambers” recess and I am already freaking disgusted with JM. HOW many times does she have to repeat herself?!?!

  4. why is this judge allowing this small man to recross??? when does it end? the jurors are going to continue asking questions ad nauseum? and the little guy can just regrill her over and over??? Can all of these “overruled” help an appeal? this is a freakin circus! and why is this judges picture on the timeline of the Travis site? isn’t she suppose to be objective?

    I am so pissed at this circus.

    thankfully, my husband, who does not support Jodi like I do, has begun to hate this little man so much his mind is turning the tide about Jodi.

  6. Holy crap! JM can’t keep his shit straight…. He asks and asks and asks, then she answers, then he blows up on her for not answering how he wants her to…. MY HELL, her answers are her answers…. He is such a MORON!!!

    • i WISH she could off the stand. lil marti is treating her like crap. the judge seems ok with it. and these details seem petty, imo. i get what he’s doing, but…

    • that judge is supposed to be unbiased, but she keeps overruling every objection even though it is outside of the scope jur of the jurys question. I don’t get that. she sustains a few, but that’s it. this has become a circus to trip Jodi up and the judge needs to withdraw. I see on the other site she is in a picture as part of Team Travis, and she shouldn’t even be in because that means they are saying she is all for Travis and not unbiased.

      • Seems like she needs Nurmi to go up and explain the law to her before she sustains any damn thing. don’t even think she’s listening half the time. Especially when he “mis-characterizes” her testimony. If I can remember that she didn’t EVER say that BS, then shouldn’t the judge have a clue without having to read her entire friggen testimony through for every objection…….sheesh! So annoying.

  7. She said she read the Book of Mormon but not cover-to-cover because it has a big index in the back.

    I don’t know anybody who reads an index.

    Now he’s trying to impeach her on the Law of Chastity trying to turn her into a “slut.” Pathetic.

    • I don’t think he can catch her on that one. She knew her Book well. It does not talk about premarital sex. It only talks about whoredom and harlots.

    • I personally LOL’ed over this one. It was the epitome of truthfulness. I haven’t read the danged index either!!! Jodi made me just about bark out laughing. That was priceless.

      • I liked it when she said this is Second Nephi, not Nehi. apparently JM spent some time looking into that book over the weekend, I wonder if he learned anything.

  8. I wish Jodi would back away from him when he approached, because he is a aggressive toward her. I know I would.

  9. JM just frustrates the heck out of me when I think he is trying to prove her guilty…but maybe, he is supporting Jodi to be found NOT guilty in his ridiculous form of questioning. To me, it seems he is proving her case of self defense…keep blabbing JM…lol. Clearly Jodi is proving her innocence based on JM’s questioning alone…lol. I think ptsd/trauma experts will seal the deal for those jurors who arent quite convinced – Just a matter of time until Jodi will be free <3

  11. I have it with his “Ma’am, dint you Ma’am? Right, Ma’am” “Ma’am”………ENOUGH ALREADY!

      • He is trying to de-humanize her to the jury, if you notice he never uses her name, he either calls her ma’m or woman. but her atty does use Jodi or Ms. Arias, as does the Judge.

  12. Okay, I’m watching at work without the benefit of sound and reading a couple of live blogs and here to get an idea what’s going on. But to me, Jennifer Wilmott looks either nervous or pissed off about something. Anyone got a clue why?

  13. Now he is talking about lying and the Mormon religion and putting words in her mouth.

  16. JM really is that overmatched. His re-cross needs to be done and over with or this trial will go on until after the first of next year.

      • Oh, yes he would. I’m not getting the concentrating on Mormon beliefs, to me it shows that Travis also wasn’t obeying the rules of the religion as well. And if you have a religious person on the jury, they are probably thinking that as well. Doesn’t make sense to me, but let him babble.

        • Its seems from the My Space Page a Many of these people were not following the rules or whatever,Nurmi can know get all receipts from Starbucks Of Travis & Chris Hughes and certainly the characters appearing on HLM

    • Tonysam,
      Unfortunately, he and Nurmi are both allowed to question her as long as the jurors continue to have questions. From what I understand, the jury has more questions. I am not clear as to how long the Judge allows questions/how many, etc…but until they are done, we will see both Nurmi and JM up there going over and over and over all this stuff. Personally, I hope there is a limit to the amount of questions, so the defense can move on and get to their witnesses, and then on to closing arguments. I’m sure she is ready to get off the stand as well…I would be exhausted.

    • This is NOT supposed to be recross, it is supposed to be a followup to the jury questions. That is why Nurmi keeps objecting saying beyond the scope of the jury questions. We all know the jury questions weren’t this deep, remember the define skank question?

      • Actually, it may have been recross. AZ allows recross multiple times … as well as defendant cross by own defense.

        • Did anyone else notice how JM sneakily brought in the name of the expert witness Alyce LaViolette, referring to her as a social worker (not that there is anything wrong with being a SW). It seemed like he was preemptively trying to down grade her credentials. I noticed some on the TA site have been making disparaging remarks about her, when they really don’t know anything about her.

          I googled her and she appears to be at the top of her field when it comes to DV and abuse. Her credentials were 20 single- spaced pages long and included the fact that she is on the speakers board for the US State Dept. and has worked with some foreign countries to help them create programs to address DV and abuse. This is just the tip of the ice-berg, so to speak, when it comes to her qualifications.

          I think JM is concerned about her testimony. I doubt she is someone he can push around.

          • My post to FB:(Forgive me if I posted this twice….I”m a little worked up today!:)

            If holding up like she has, with I believe grace, composure, and an extraordinary command of the English language, to the absolute unrelenting verbal assault of Juan Martinez and his abusive, controlling, manipulative, argumentative, nonsensical, juvenile, misogynistic style of questioning without “whatever..ing” him in the nose” does not prove that she most certainly could have and did stay in an abusive relationship that many have said she should have left…..well then, I don’t know what the freak would!:)

            And then this response:

            Veikko Alopaeus commented on your Wall post.
            Veikko wrote: “I for a short time was cruel to my wife early in marriage. I’m ashamed I was but I changed. Looking back I talked like this out of control prosecutor and my poor wife suffered quietly. It was verbal abuse. To my demands she would say anything to get me to stop. To someone in the jury, or tv land she would have looked like a liar as she changed her story and suffered.To me I was an a hole. I am thankful I saw the light and love my wife very much and we have had many years of full joy. I can’t believe I was like that.”
            —————————————
            Nothing further, Your Honor!

          • Sorry I posted this twice. I couldn’t find it the first time and thought it didn’t post…now I just saw it about half way up.

          • I myself dont think its none of juan’s business what jodi and he SW talks about… maybe she will see the case today and see what he did..

            • She can’t, witnesses are not allowed to be in the court room or view the trial. It’s so their testimony doesn’t change or get tainted.

          • I so look forward to her testimony. I’m sure the uglies will put a negative spin on it, though. 🙁

          • JM kept hinting that thinks from her report would not agree to what Jodi has said. She has said at least a couple of time that she did not tell LaViolette that. I don’t know how he is bringing anything in about her report or Jodi’s comments to her without already hearing from the woman.

            Can anyone explain how he can jump the timing on this by talking about a report not in evidence??

  17. . I hope her position is elected by the people, hopefully the people of Arizona are fed up too!
    FIRE HER!!!!!

  18. Excuse me but where exactly in the juror questions was this line of questioning about a fight with Travis brought up?

    • This is complete and utter BS. Total abuse of discretion on the part of the judge to allow this. This was NOT asked about in the juror questions.

  20. That was fucking great, pardon my French. I think JM just shot himself in the foot and Nurmi can argue this to the hilt.

    Couldn’t find what he was accusing her off in the record.

    Gotta love it.

  21. Martinez seems to be having a lot of memory problems today. He continues to ask the CR to read back a question he just asked!

  23. Jacob 2:28
    28 For I, the Lord God, delight in the chastity of women. And
    whoredoms are an abomination before me; thus saith the Lord of
    Hosts.

  24. have we just lost 5 minutes because Martinez wanted the clerk to read Jodi’s statement to prove she was wrong yet HE was the one who was wrong???In your face,Juan hahaha!!

  26. Two questions that I have been wondering about :

    Is Jodi is still a Mormon?

    Jodi said she threw the gun in the desert. Has anybody asked how she did that? Did she stop and walk a bit in the desert and throw it or throw the gun from the car etc?

    • At least till the end of the trial. If she is convicted she will most likely be excommunicated.

  27. Good God. Martinez is driving me crazy today. How many different ways can he intentionally mis-charicterize her testimony and mis-quote her? He even asked to prove that she was lying, and instead proved that HIMSELF wrong. This is ridiculous.

  28. Wonder why or what he’s waiting for to bring up the gas cans and Walmart? ?? Maybe he’ll bring it up minutes before the day is over?

    • I think the gas cans and Walmart are going to be in his rebuttal, I don’t trust that little man.

  29. Has anyone been tallying Nurmi’s objections/overruled and objections/sustained. vs.JM’s. It would be interesting to see the imbalance here. Huge task.

  30. Ma’am I’m not ASKING YOU what the REASON was I’m asking you ma’am if it was possible you had a reason sooo was there any reason you would do that ma’am

  31. I’m finally risking having some sound on as it’s quiet here. OMG, why doesn’t he just burn her at the stake and be done with it? This is so like ANY trial regarding domestic abuse.

    By the way, it was interesting watching without sound from the point of body language. JM looks like a freaking crazy man. Jodi looks like such an honest sweet person. Makes me wonder what those HLN experts are looking at.

    • Thank you for lightening up the tension with a bit of humor…I need a yoga session…

  33. What he is doing is just on the EDGE, meaning, he is asking her questions the jury asked, (Book of Mormon stuff) which was a jury question….but he elaborates and adds to the question. I know you are allowed a little leeway with this (on both sides) but he goes beyond and takes a big ol’ right turn at the questions end. Nurmi is correct in objecting “beyond the scope’. I hope she continues to stay calm on the stand and just answer him, (short answers) so he will move on.

  34. “I’m not asking if you believed him, I am asking you if you believed him!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”

  35. Just a funny mental picture (for me anyway) camera pans the court room, and EVERYONE, including jury, is asleep. LOL.

  37. JM is making the case that this was not premeditated. Saying again and again as far as you knew the gun was unloaded.

    I’m with everybody else that it is unbelievable that the judge is letting JM go on and on

  39. this is awesome… like a Saturday Night Live skit making fun of inept attorney’s.

  40. For God’s sake, is he really arguing that she couldn’t have used that shelf to real quick reach up to another shelf? This is insane.

  41. I cannot believe the judge continues to let JM not only re-cross but JM is testifying.

  42. I hope the jury is paying attention to how neat (OCD) the closet is which should help them realize that TA was anal about his belongings…….like somebody dropping his brand new camera.

  43. OMG now the pegs in the shelves and they can only hold 40 pounds…someone please stop Elmer Fudd’s madness!!!

  44. You should know, you put these shelves together! Isn’t that what you just said? OMG this convo is hysterical!

  46. He keeps making comments and asking questions with “you told the jury”…sneakily trying to get his question in as a juror questions…OMGGGGGGGGGGG

  48. This is a frickin’ joke. This judge has completely lost control of the court room. Even Ito was a little more effective than this.

    She needs to get him to move on.

  51. Even with Judge Pickles overruling 99% of valid objections, the little guy *still* can’t make any headway. Seems to be an ongoing theme…

    GO JODI!!!

    SJ
    Team Jodi

  55. What the heck was that whole thing all about.

    I’m a little worried about the shelf tipping stuff. Nurmi ought to check into that and see if it actually happens on this set of shelves.

    I know we have some shelves like that at home and my wife who is about 105-110 (God forbid the much afeared 110!) can actually stand on them.

    • Yea Al. This is a big closet, and a home with a closet of that size is NOT going to be built cheap!! These are good hardwood shelves! !!

      • After seeing that closet I have this overwhelming thought that I really need to organize my closets. I feel like such a slob! 😛 lol

        Looking at those shelves, they look like they are really sturdy, and fit snugly in the cabinet. I know what the pit bull was getting at, but he seriously looked like he was grasping at straws.

      • Yes, I saw the same. They aren’t your usual pressboard bullshit shelves; and I wonder if the pegs are inside the shelves rather than underneath them.

        • they are inside. i have the same closet just larger. they are built very sturdy. i have stood many times on the lower shelves to get boxes that were higher.

    • If those shelves can hold all the belongings on the shelf, then it could hold Jodi long enough to get the gun. Its not like she sit upon the shelf for hours.

      • I seriously doubt that. The weight diff is too significant, and Jodi wasn’t resting her foot, she had to be pushing down against the shelf to reach the gun.

        Not good for Jodi.

        • She was also holding her body weight up with one of her arms. If a few shelves can hold 5/7 pairs of man boots, it could probably hold a good amount of weight. Nurmi shouldve pointed this out real quick.

          • I wouldn’t be afraid to use them to step on to reach something higher. I weigh more than Jodi

    • I had to chuckle when JM asks “so you weighed 135 at the time”? Hey, you’re never supposed to over estimate a woman’s weight are you? 🙂

  56. Hate to even ask, but could someone give a synopis of what has happened today?

    I haven’t been able to watch live stream today, until now, and refuse to watch any HLN for an update.

    Thanks a bunch.

  57. I have put shelves like these together and if they are real wood like it looks like then they fit very snuggly. Jodi looks very light. When having to reset I have had to take a hammer to the underside to get them loose.

    • My closet is the same shelving and they are VERY tight and sturdy. I even have very heavy boxes on some.

      • Candie!! :
        That was funny! lol
        I wish they would.
        They probably have it on you tube..
        Maybe someone will send it to him. : )

  59. Hey Admin,

    Did you cut me off? I don’t know where my comments are going to.

    I’m one of the good guys.

  60. Hey just wanted to mention. The shelves from a closet that size are NOT going to be cheap wood or made cheap. Nurmi needs to send someone to go check it out n take pictures, do a little research on this. This is an EASY one they can make Martinez look WRONG. And I cant blv he’s really went as far as to something that simple. Thank god he’s done. Well for now. I hope the jury questions this time ade better then the ones from before.

    • the shelves are inserts – you can buy them at Home Depot and set them up in your closet. The shelves sit on little metal pegs.

      • Not all of them. Some actually go inside the wood. Meaning there are gaps that the metal pegs fall into.

    • the home has been sold so they can’t go back into it and I understand it was also remodeled

  61. Does anybody know what the record is for a defense witness being on the stand the longest? If this ain’t a world record, it should be.

    Six thousand questions already?

  64. Next question, “Were there skeletons in that closet, Ma’am, DINT you say you cleaned the closet Ma’am? So you cleaned the closet, right Ma’am? Why DINT you clean out the skeletons, Ma’am? You said you cleaned it? Right?? Ma’am? Answer the question Ma’am!

    • Haha I thought the same thing. I imagined the bf yelling “we were on a break!!” when it was time to talk about Bianca.

  69. Totally off topic, but TA’s one sister really doesn’t need to contour her cheeks so much.

    • I don’t think it’s off topic at all.
      Throughout this whole trial, a day hasn’t gone by without them smirking and making all kind of
      faces. That’s why I think the judge must be sleeping.
      In the beginning she warned everyone not to do that OR they would have to leave.
      What a judge!!

  71. I came home from work and put the trial on but had to turn it off and come to this site to find out what has been going on. I can’t believe we have to put up with more of this prosecutor and his tactics. As long as he is grilling Jodi, I just don’t want to watch what he is doing. I’ve never seen a pit bull prosecutor like this nor a defense attorney, either, although I’m sure JM isn’t the only one in the world. However, he certainly seems to be a top contender for Number One pit bull prosecutor, having perfected his over the top tactics to win at any cost. Besides appearing like an angry man constantly looking for a fight, he likes to be very aggressive, loves small and even petty details, and uses a rapid-fire line of questioning, all tending to intimidate, confuse, and cause people to appear to be lying. If you confuse the person on the stand by repeated and unclear questions rattled off in quick succession and in different directions, you can certainly eventually break down the person’s ability to think rationally and increase chances he or she will make a mistake, especially under stress and fatigue. This trial is really dragging on and on with no end to jurors questions, and JM’s chances to keep grilling Jodi and is spiralling out of control, inside the courtroom as well as outside. So much for Arizona’s perspective on how to provide each citizen a fair trial.

    • Thing is, he has a very high conviction rate. His style is a pain in the ass, but it works. I couldn’t follow some of what JM said today, but I got most of it. He was very effective today.

      • No, he wasn’t. He didn’t prove premeditation, and he didn’t prove motive.

        It was an epic fail.

        If you think he is going to get a DP conviction on this, you are living in a fantasy world.

        Even Martinez knows this isn’t murder one.

        • I never said that he was going to get a DP out of this. I’ve never said that this is a M1 case. I don’t discount JM’s skills though.

          Are you serious in your comment to me?

        • Really tomysam,

          Only the talking heads thought that!
          They like Martinez when he’s screaming.
          If he was annoying to those at home, IMAGINE how annoying it was to
          be as close to him as the jury was and they couldn’t just MUTE him.
          I’m sure they had a headache!

      • Im sorry but I didn’t see that either. I saw him twisting everything shes said. He was so UN EFFECTIVE, that he even didnt know what he said and had to ask the stenographer to go over what they both said. He was lost!!! BIG FAIL

        • Then, no matter how far back the court reporter read she could not find the part he was looking for. Why? Because she never said it!

          • and he didnt even apologize for trying to mis characterize her testimony!

          • Lol RIGHT!!! You saw how the stenographer looked up n bit her lip? Like, UUHH NO, MARTINEZ, SORRY… ITS NOT THERE!!

      • He has a high conviction rate because he’s assigned the “dregs” when it comes to defendants. People whom my cat could have gotten convicted.

        • We don’t have to like him to acknowledge that he is excellent at what he does. He gets assigned to all kinds of cases; he is well regarded nationally.

          Nurmi and Willmott aren’t underestimating JM. I’m choosing not to either. Caution is a good thing in this case, IMO.

    • I understand what you are saying but please lets not put JM in the same category as a pitbull. I have addressed this issue with HLN when they started referencing him as the same. Pitbulls used to be the “nanny dog” and were very loveing and gentle. They have served along side our veterans in various wars and while bad people have trained this breed to do horrific things and altered their DNA, the majority of them are wonderful companions who are loving and gentle, Everyday we fight to save this Breed and many Breeds from BSL, they have a bad rap but should never be reduced to the level of someone who is trying to de-humanize another human being. Thanks 🙂

      • Taylor, I’m glad someone came to the defense of the pit bull. Perhaps the commenter should have used “rooster in a cock fight” instead, or even just Bull :O) Love the pit bulls :O)

    • Juan Martinez wants to be an Alpha pitbull.
      A good firm hand and a smack on the nose always puts them in their place

  75. IMO, the shelf huffing and puffing is simply that. Huff and puff. he is trying to IMPLY to the jury that if Jodi stood on a lower shelf to reach up top and grab the gun, the shelf would have fallen down off of the pegs. First of all, maybe it would have, maybe not, depends on how much weight she put on it. Assuming she just put the front half of 1 foot, and only weighs about 115, its doubtful. His whole goal is to get her to look like she is lying….but if he had ANY evidence that the shelf would in fact, tip over, he would have an exact replica in the courtroom, and would ask her to stand on one. This is just my opinion.

  78. Is that it now? Does Jodi finally get to leave the stand? Did Martinez say “No further questions” and no more jury questions?

  79. HE IS SUCH A CREEP,
    He is awful Objection! Objection! Objection!
    I hate him his voice Nurmi needs to stand up and scream I object use a forceful tone,

  80. She did say that I remember that i didn’t even think the gun was loaded,
    How that plays out to the Jury I don’t know? But the screaming is detracting from the questions.
    The Judge Sucks no boundaries way beyond the scope etc.

    • She said today again that she presumed it was not loaded because she understood from Travis that he is not typically loading the gun, it was just one time that she knew that Travis loaded the gun in a previous occasion, so in reality she don’t know but she presumed it to me unloaded

      But it was in a very short sentence listen again carefully and you will see it, but i hope the jurors got that comment

      I think that a lot of times we need to be sensitive on the little comments and try to understand what she is trying to say i hope the jury has the ability and the focus to see that

    • It seems the blog is messed up, or maybe it is just me that is having trouble finding the new comments.

      • Even with daylight saving time, everyone should still be on the same schedule unless some don’t turn the clocks forward.

        • They were supposed to start at 1pm ET today so I would think most days they’ll now go until 7pm ET.

          Obviously they stopped a little before 7pm ET today when Jodi finished.

  82. I am not trying to pick on Travis’ family, however am I the only one that thinks Travis’ sister Tanisha looks like Crullea De Vil from a 101 Dalmatians.

  84. Ok, many or most are likely to disagree with me. {Be gentle with me!!}}

    I do not think that today went well for the defense. Jodi was amazingly strong! But some of the questions trapped her previous testimony … again. Jodi knew that. I saw it all over her face … and on Nurmi and Willmott’s faces.

    JM drives me crazy. I don’t know how Jodi has held up so amazingly. But in all honesty, he was very, very effective in the points he made; he made some major scores.

    Nurmi and Willmott are going to have to lawyer like never before with their experts. There is a lot to unwind. And JM gets a chance to question the experts as well.

    I plan to rewatch today’s testimony again. I have a feeling that I may end up even more worried.

    Uggggg. {If you throw things at me, please don’t use cream pie*!}

    *I couldn’t resist!

    • I saw her lawyers jaws drop at the questions juan was asking over and over again. I saw it differently.

      what scores did he make aside from trying to infer she was bad mormon? The knife was smoke and mirrors imo. hes asking her things she has stated she cannot remember. What did you see that I didn’t.

    • I really disagree with you i think if you have listened to every word and all comments she made the last few weeks and you watched her on the questions from the prosecuter and how she was trying to say certain things on her way of expression, you will see that she is very consistent look at a comment i did earlier responding to a comment to someone who is also worried about this point for an example about the “loaded gun”

      But i understand your concern about how the jury is catching up these answars what are looking to be inconsistencies on the first look but in reality they do mach up after considering her sensitive worded responses

    • Lisa, creamPIE!!! Lol im just kidding plz don’t get mad. I just said it cuz theres nothing in your comment that would make me upset. I saw what your saying about Nurmi n Wilmott but I thk its really at hiw Martinez keeps acting. I don’t think he did well today. Getting lost to the point that the stenographer had to prove he was wrong. All he did today was twist jodis words again.

    • I agree with you, Lisa.

      Martinez does get off track, but he was mostly very effective today. He demonstrated that Jodi’s lack of memory is not an impediment to reconstructing the events of June 4th. He turns it all into a puzzle, and he asks Jodi to help him solve it–not with her memories, but with logic. She’s consistent (except when she adds extra details) with her answers, that’s true, but her answers don’t usually fit with the evidence.

      • It was like he was playing word games with her from my point of view. I didn’t see how he could say it couldn’t have happened that way. How long does it take to grab a knife for example. He was trying to say that it couldn’t have happened as fast as she said it could right?

        • That’s what I was getting JC.
          He wants Jodi to assume what he assumes and she wouldn’t.
          I personally don’t think Martinez was anymore effective today than any other day.

        • Yes, I think that’s what he was trying to say, JC. That 62 seconds wasn’t enough time for her to drop the camera, get body slammed, get away, grab the gun, shoot Travis, struggle with him some more, and end up in the hallway with Travis badly injured and on the floor. But, it’s more than that.

          If, in that photo, he’s bleeding from the head wound, and he’s down, then the attack continues after that. She would’ve had to leave him there, locate the knife, and return. In other words, the knife didn’t fall into her hand. She had to think about it. She had to decide to stab him rather than run away after he had been subdued.

          If, on the other hand, he was bleeding from the neck in that photo, the 62 seconds becomes even more implausible. That means that he’s ALSO, of course, shot and stabbed (with defensive wounds to his hands). And somewhere during all of that he also stands and bleeds over the sink.

          Both scenarios are bad for Jodi’s claim of self-defense.

          The third scenario, of course, is that she did all the stabbing and throat cutting in that 62 seconds between the ceiling photo and the bloody shoulder photo. Then, she struggled to get his body back into the bathroom where, for whatever reason, she shot him, and the casing landed on top of his blood.

          Martinez has obviously imagined all the ways that Travis’ injuries could fit with the time stamps! He’s not grasping at straws when it comes to fitting Jodi’s story to the facts. The stuff about the shelf seemed unnecessary and distracting. He just tacked that on, I thought, to cast a little extra doubt. He doesn’t believe for a second that she ran to the closet. There wasn’t enough time for that in Jodi’s version.

          • The plain unvarnished truth is we don’t know the killing took 62 seconds. We don’t know he was dead in that last picture. Since Jodi can’t remember any of this, we really don’t know and there is no way TO know.

            • Jodi said she dropped the camera, that could very possibly threw the time stamp out on the camera. Maybe the time stamp on those pictures are not accurate.

              I know my husband has cameras and they can get errors, but self correct when they are turned off and turned back on.

              • I brought this up a few days ago…..when Jodi testified about their trying to use TA’s camera to take picture or film of them having sex, Jodi said she tried to use his camera but didn’t know how to use the timer and so they finally decided to use Jodi’s camera for that part of their sex activity. It seems plausible that Jodi could have inadvertantly messed up the timer on TA’s camera when she was trying to set it at that earlier point in the afternoon. I am not a camera expert, but it is a thought.

            • No, we don’t know that he’s dead in that picture. More than likely, one or more of Travis’ injuries happened after that picture. The point is, he’s down and bleeding. She can run away here. If it began as self-defense, it turned into something else.

              Having no memory doesn’t protect her at all. In fact, it leaves her story wide open to other interpretations, including a complete re-construction of her narrative into something that sounds more plausible to the jurors. And the jurors, I would think, would be more inclined to believe a narrative that’s supported by forensic witnesses than to take a leap of faith for Jodi’s version.

              • He can also get up from that position in the photo, in fact it looks like he is in the process of getting up…. lifting his head and raising his arm, exactly how a person would get off the floor. Given he probably has a bit of a headache from the gunshot so it might take him a bit longer.

                Bullet to right temple = blood trickling down right shoulder from small entry hole. He’s not dead there.

                • Are you referring to the foot pic?

                  It doesn’t look like he is trying to get up.

                  IF your version were plausible, this is actually worse for Jodi because it shows that she had the time to run. So if he’s bleeding from his head, down on the ground and she is in fear for her life, why is she standing there? And why is she standing there when he is facing away from her and bleeding a fair amount.

                  According to your theory, she has plenty of time to run and get out of that house.

                  Finally, with your theory, the blood is trickling down the wrong way down TA’s shoulder.

          • It’s true that we’ll never know what exactly happened in those 62 seconds. I agree that self-defense is going to be hard for the jury to buy based on the fact that Travis was likely injured after he was already subdued and Jodi could have left. But I’m not buying the story that she left Yreka planning to kill Travis either. I think the truth lies somewhere in between – murder 2.

            • But the fact is the defense doesn’t have to “prove” self-defense–the prosecution must prove premeditation beyond a reasonable doubt, which is the standard, and it has NOT done so. NOTHING supports murder one, not one single thing.

                • I’ve gone over and over in my mind and I absolutely can not see any proof of premeditation.
                  I honestly believe too that Jodi couldn’t have and wouldn’t have done it if it wasn’t to save her life.
                  I do believe it was self defense and that she is in some cases still wanting to
                  keep his private life private.

            • Exactly, Kira. Murder two.

              But isn’t there still concern that Martinez will try to fit premeditation into another point in time? When she went for the knife, for instance? He was hinting at that today, I think. How can she claim that she never formed the intent to hurt him, in a rage, when she can’t remember what happened? I think Martinez is using her memory loss to his full advantage. All he is doing is reminding her that she was able to make a lot of mindful and purposeful decisions during her fugue, right down to the removal of her socks before she left the house. Her mindfulness, he seems to be saying, could have also included locating and using a weapon to hurt him rather than to protect herself.

              I don’t know: does rage preclude forethought ? In the legal sense?

              • There is still that concern, but his case so far is so focused on the narrative that Jodi planned to kill Travis before she left Yreka and hid her tracks along the way. I can see the jury rejecting that, but also rejecting self-defense, and settling on crime of passion. I truly think that an argument broke out, Travis became physical, and Jodi snapped. Gun was in the closet, knife was in the bathroom, she didn’t have to run far to get weapons.

          • Exactly, Pique.

            I decided to do 2 things before I responded to questions about my initial comment in this subthread … get some work done to make the boss happy 🙂 and rewatch the testimony.

            Pique, you saw exactly what I saw. JM saved the 62 seconds for the last day of Jodi’s testimony for a reason. His theory on time was very convincing. So convincing that many of the jurors weren’t even needing to take many notes. If Jodi had satisfactory answers for them about the knife, they would have been writing like mad.

            Something that I’ve been forgetting, and I think many of us are forgetting is that self-defense is an affirmative defense … meaning the defense does have a burden of proof; they have to prove that this was indeed self-defense. Today’s testimony was damaging to that. The morning testimony was most devastating to the defense.

            Another issue is Jodi’s fog. I’ve already shared some of the basics of memory research so I won’t repeat that. What I noticed today and on other days is that Jodi forgets about her fog. Today she literally had to say “I want to correct what I just said” twice. IIRC, both times had to do with remembering something that she had previously said she couldn’t or didn’t remember. Who could possibly keep this all straight after 18 days? But that is Jodi’s situation. She has given very confusing info on what she does and does not remember, which makes her fog appear opportunistic rather than her honest experience.

            We think of ways to explain many of these events away. But the jury does not see what we see; they are barred from seeing most of what we see. We’ve seen things in the courtroom that they haven’t seen. And the jurors instructions will clarify the legal definition of evidence from speculation and the AZ criminal definition of premeditation. I posted (and another member did as well) links to AZ definitions for premeditation. There is a good chance that the jury could see premeditation from just using the knife.

            When the jurors sit down to deliberate, they can, if they request, have any of the evidence they wish to have; the camera, bloody items, the ME report, the bullet casing, the most graphic pic of TA’s slashed throat (most of us haven’t seen good pics of that, the jury has).

            No one is shy about admitting that we’re a pro-Jodi site; some are even willing to use the work pro-Jodi biased. The jury is not. Every single indicator from sources other than HLN are saying that the jury is not looking at Jodi kindly right now. I don’t have cable tv, so most of my Jodi coverage comes from AZ reporters.

            I saw fear several times on Jodi’s face today. At one point, when discussing the knife, she became very flushed and had a fear facial response. Her voice started to get gravelly. Several times she looked like she was going to cry.

            Perhaps we need to ask ourselves not what is possible but what is likely. The jury will go with likely. I can’t predict their final decision on M1, M2, manslaughter, acquittal, but I say with certainty that they will evaluate with what is likely and not “all that is possible”.

            I was able to work from home today. I’m going to miss most of tomorrow’s live testimony! Waaaaaaaaa! (I think my students would notice if I tried to peek at the site during lecture.)

            • Ya, I agree with you, Lisa. I do think the jury believes the state’s theory. The look on Jodi’s face as the jury left the courtroom…..Yikes!

            • Lisa–thank goodness you can watch today’s (Thursday’s) testimony on YouTube!

              Yes, though she always contains herself well, there was a look of frozen fear on Jodi’s face yesterday. She must hear it, herself, that her story isn’t making sense. And, when Martinez was implying premeditation around the issue of the knife, she went as far to say–if I remember correctly–that she had “no forethought.” Just her using that word made it sound as though she knew exactly what he was saying about the timing and the knife, and that she knew it was potentially devastating.

              But, because of her loss of memory, she’s backed into a corner: she can’t say in her own defense: “no, it wasn’t like that.” She’s left that for others to figure out. And, like you said, Lisa, we, as supporters, can “think of ways to explain many of these events away” but, why would the jurors do that? Why would they imagine complex possibilities, and doubt every little piece of evidence, when the totality of the evidence lends itself to simpler and more complete explanation?

              I don’t always understand what Martinez is doing. His yelling, bullying, unclear questions and very personal and attacks on Jodi (going back to her childhood, even) sure kick up a lot of dust, and have brought on criticism from both sides. And, concerning proving murder one, he seems to have several pots on simmer at the same time: gas cans, receipts, hair colour, cell phone records, the grandparents’ gun, etc. Yesterday, though, he brought the “62 seconds” and “where was the knife?” to a full boil.

              Sigh. I’ve never doubted that Jodi is a battered woman, and that this is, at rock bottom, what her case is about. Her defense team was right to begin with the wooden spoon as a symbol her childhood, and all that it lacked in the way of love and support, and to build up to Travis’ emotional, spiritual, sexual and physical abuse.

              She didn’t come out of all of that unscathed! How could she? She learned pretty early–and we, her supporters, understand this–that abuse in families and in romantic relationships is minimized or outright denied. Victims of abuse are always being asked to prove themselves worthy. When you’re powerless and afraid and feel unworthy, one of the ways to get back a little personal power, a sense of control, is to tell lies. It’s not the only way, of course, or even a common way to cope, but it can and does happen. Abuse and lovelessness can change, fundamentally, who a person IS.

              Well, this is how I see Jodi. She’s trying, but she hasn’t stopped being dishonest. In fact, being on trial for her life, and having been denied a plea bargain already, has made dishonesty (someone here suggested “confabulations”) a necessity once again.

              “Battered woman” and “liar” are not mutually exclusive categories. Also, one doesn’t cancel out the other. The misogynistic cheer-leaders for lethal injection believe, and want us to believe, that one does cancel the other. Personally, I just can’t do the same thing, but in reverse: overlook her lying in the name of empathy, sympathy and support. To me, this just feeds into the big lie that victims of domestic violence have to be flawless, perfect, unscathed, robotic human beings before they deserve to tell their stories and to be heard.

      • No, he wasn’t “impressive.” Period. He was overmatched. He tried to play games with her, and it didn’t work.

        The fact is, as I mentioned in the other post, we don’t KNOW the murder took 62 seconds. There is NO proof AT ALL Travis was dead in that last picture. There is no way to know that.

        • Yes, thank you tonysam. Your posts are spot on – we don’t know when Travis died, all we have is a handful of pictures; and it’s just as likely that there can be as many interpretation to those photos as there can be about Jodi’s lack of memory.

          I agree, it’s not Nurmi’s job to prove anything, it’s the responsibility of the state to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Jodi premeditated and carried out this crime in forethought.

          There’s so much reasonable doubt in this case, it’s mind boggling!

          • I agree MB,
            I’m left everyday more confused by the prosecuter.
            Why didn’t he ask her HOW she got him in that shower.
            I can’t even picture that NOR can JM OR he would ask, right?

            • My question has always been that Aly. Didn’t the ME report say that the stabbing of the back indacated that it was done from in front of him. Like if he was on top of her.

              • cindy jewel,
                I’m not sure, but my husband believes that very weii is what happened.
                AND also, we’ve seen him crunched up in the shower.
                I don’t remember him looking like he was shot in the face.
                Maybe the side of the head, but not the face,
                AND how could she pushh, pull, roll whatever in the shower and get out.
                You know what I mean?

  85. Omg what the hell happened to that prosecutors hair on JVM wearing the orange? ?!! SCARY! !

  87. It is not libel or slander of a dead person when the record clearly states his name, his DOB and his address. One is allowed to rely on the public record and if it is wrong, the person so relying is not committng a tort. It only matters if the person publishing the information knows it to be false. These are a bunch of hack lawyers on JVM.

    Watched the testimony of Dr. Conner(?) the ME. He states that the bullet wound would have rendered TA incapacitated, unable to defend himself such as to sustain defensive wounds and therefore he was stabbed prior to the gunshot. The science contradicts JA’s version of events and cannot be successfully refuted.

    Also, the fact that there were several guns in Grandpa’s gun closet and only the .25 was taken speaks volumes.

    Do these issues bother anyone else?

    • I don’t think that the ME is powerful enough contradict a fact JA said very confidently that she disagrees with the ME

      I would ask the ME: lats leave this trial out for the question, if you would preform an autopsy accuratelythe same like in this case and the person who did it (and can be believed and did not lied to police from the beginning) is saying very confidently “i was there i did it and it is not like you are trying to guess”, im sure he will agree with that person and surrender his opinion so the whole question comes down if we can in fact believe Jodi

      if the jurors conclusion is to believe her then i dont see any problem with her contradicting the ME ecpcially if flores said the same in the beginning and if they dont believe her she is in trouble for a lot of other things

      • Bull. There isn’t any “science” to show premeditation or motive.

        You’re on the wrong board.

        • No, the science doesn’t prove premeditation but the jury will likely be instructed that if they find that a witness was no believable they may disregard ALL of that witnesses testimony if they so choose. Or, they can elect to not believe some parts and believe other parts. So, it goes to JA’s voracity, or lack thereof, for the jurors to consider.

          And the ME stated this opinion based on the location and path of the bullet to make the determination that the wound would have rendered TA incapacited. If incapactied there could be no defense wounds.

          If the jury believes that the science tells the truth, then they will think that JA viciously attacked TA with a knife before shooting him. This will make a huge difference in their decicions and n my opinion creates the biggest hurdle to aquittal or a lesser offense conviction.

          • This has been played out so many times already. A jury can figure out what is most logical of two scenarios:

            1) Accidental gun shot, then stabbing, then neck slash = dead guy.

            or

            2) Stabbing, then neck slash = dead guy. But that’s not enough, no. We’re to believe Jodi, the same woman who masterminded this elaborate premed murder weeks in advance (including calculating mileage and fuel consumption to hide her detour to AZ) decided it would be a good idea to intentionally fire off a round in to the skull of the deceased at 5:30 in the afternoon in a residential neighborhood, hoping no one would hear it??? That makes absolutely NO sense whatsoever given that she (according to martinez) went so far out of her way to conceal the fact that she had been in Arizona. She may as well have stood out on the front lawn with a bullhorn and announced she was there.

          • Oh I don’t believe that I think people need to listen to the ME again. Frontal lobe right eyebrow not his TEMPLE an lodged in his left cheek. Hopefully they will show it is possible to live I seen a bunch of people shot with a 25 a few times in the face an they lived. They can look it up. Frontal Lobe they used to do Lobotomies like that an people still functioned.

            Hope the JURY has some common sense just one or two at least. An they are saying at least 2 on there are Mormon’s ?? so who knows which way they will go. They sure didn’t get her a fancy Mormon lawyer so I would say they would go against her.

            WE sure need Dexter on the blood splatter he could figure it out seems Mesa Arizona don’t have one? if they do I haven’t heard or read a thing about it.

            I know one thing the knife first I think big boy Travis would have won that fight the gun shot to the head slowed him down. Stunned him but still mad as hell then the knife came in.

        • tonysam,
          I agree with you
          And Science doesn’t kill her, Laura.
          You make fun of “not remembring”. Have You EVER been n a situation like Jodi.
          I’m sick of all the hand jestures from the talking heads about being foggy.
          They’ve never been thre either and they act so childish make fun of Jodi.
          Mike Brooks picking his cup up mocking Jodi like shaking even though she didn’t do that.
          Not very professional either, should be fired IMO!

          I have never seen anything like it and JVM after Jodi was through testifying, she did a short sigh, like I’ve seen her do before. This wasn’t the first time.
          Then JVM mocks her only blowing big like she’s the wolf blowing the house down, So
          degrating and acting stupid. That’s about the only way to put it!!
          Over exaggerating A BIT!!!

          It may really bother you that some don’t agree, but there are MANY places on this internet I’m sure that will agree with you Neo may be lost.
          Yes, I do believe Jodi .

    • grateful for the site,too.I have noone to talk to,period. LOL!Noone knows anything about this case in Greece,sometimes I think that’s a blessing,I couldnt stand all that sh*t you coming from the media.

  89. Did anyone else notice how JM sneakily squeezed in a reference to Alyce LaViolett, the DV expert that is on the witness list, referring to her as a social worker? (not that there is anything wrong with being a sw) Seems like he is preemptively trying to downgrade her credentials. I noticed on the TA support site they have already started making disparaging remarks about her, when they obviously know nothing about her credentials. I googled her name and she appears to be at the top of her field re domestic violence and abuse. The summary of her credentials is 20 single-spaced pages long and includes the fact that she is on the speakers board for the US State Dept. and has worked with foreign countries, helping them recognize and formulate programs for dom violence and abuse….and that is just the tip of the ice berg, so to speak, re her qualifications. I think JM is very concerned about her. I doubt she is someone he can push around. I am looking forward to her testimony.

    • yep. Hes low. No wonder all the defense attorney’s hate him. I suspect when AZ has a crap case, they appoint Juan. He stoop real low.

    • thanks for the clarification kitty,I thought I was confused because prior to today I thought she was an expert witness on dom abuse but when Kermit says ”a social worker” I was kinda taken aback.He’s such a WEASEL!

      • She’s a Psychotherapist, as well as a whole whack of other credentials. The pit bull won’t push her around, that’s for sure.

    • I cant wait for LaViolett either, I cant wait to see how Martinez will talk to her after trying to make it look bad. This is the 2nd time he talks about her. He’s that pathetic he can’t wait to have her on the stand to face her, he has to try n give a bad reputation before she goes up!!!

      • Her reputation can’t be touched. Don’t worry. He’s only hurting his own case. MY seven year old can strategize better than juan.

    • makes me think he is quite worried about her expertise and upcoming testimony….can’t wait.

  90. So I missed the afternoon , have it dvr’d it. Is she done for good?

    This was Juan’s last shot at her if so and from what I just read and what I had seen earlier, he blew it big time!

    • Yeah, did JM prove murder 1? Or did he get all of Jodi’s testimony impeached by bringing up the….dun dun dun….GAS CANS????

  92. boy, GLAD that part is over. brutal in many ways. i think the judge let lil marti go too far. hopefully, defense can come back. the camera timeline hurts, in the jurors eyes anyway.

    my opinion is defense HAS to explain the fog. Jodi seemingly used that too often to “explain away”. lil marti MOCKED this repeatedly. she even mentioned hitting her head, but i dont remember where ANYONE equates hitting her head on TILE and THE FOG!? driving me crazy!! that IS H-U-G-E! imo…
    gives Jodi some explanation for not remembering everything perfectly…

    Fog = Symptoms of a CONCUSSION !!
    at least alluding to this should help restore jodi in the minds os some of the jury.

    • The camera timeline doesn’t mean a thing if in fact Travis wasn’t dead in the last photo.

      • Exctly tonysam.
        Noticed how Jodi kind of talked about this today?
        She said something along the lines of, “I dont know if Travis is dead in that photo.” (it was in reference to the last photo)

        Of course Martinez didnt like that, so he just yelled and waved his arms to try and distract everyone.
        I’m sure glad Jodi doesnt play along with his theories and timelines like he wants her to.

      • I think Jodi used the word fog because that was the only way she could explain it. Here is another possible explanation:

        Fugue State: a disturbed state of consciousness in which the one affected seems to perform acts in full awareness but upon recovery cannot recollect the acts performed

  93. Hi Admins, I have read the Flores report that you have linked here. Is there any more of the report available. I see it reads “continued” . Is the remainder of the report available and I am just not finding it?

    • debbie, THNX for that link! hope she posts more.
      it’s very good. i’ve been waiting fir SNL to do ng, etc. this will suffice.

      “anus exit only”!! HA!

      • HEY JC I SAW THIS ON NANCY GRACE PAGE, THOUGHT IT WAS INTERESTING, IF YOU DONT LIKE IT BEING ON HERE JUST DELETE IT.. tHANKS,,:) Hiram A Hernandez II Nancy, Allow me first to express my deepest appreciation for your ongoing efforts seeking justice and providing a voice for countless victims. Your courage and strength has been a tremendous beacon to many individuals who admire and respect your triumphs and dedication to persevere. The reason for my message tonight is that I would like to provide, what I feel may very well be the, “Missing Puzzle Piece” in relation to the Jodi Arias claim about the now Infamous Spiderman briefs. I would like to raise awareness as to a critical aspect regarding said Briefs and its connection to the recorded conversation we heard during the trial. In that recorded conversation, there was a portion that involved Jodi and Travis talking about Movies, Comic book Characters, and there personal preferences related to those subjects….during that portion a VERY SPECIFIC movie was mentioned….Charlie’s Angels. And Travis mentioned how he liked the movie. What I submit to you, is that in the Movie Charlie’s Angels, there is a specific scene that has Cameron Diaz’ Character (which happens to be happy-go-lucky / ditzy) DANCING in her bedroom wearing nothing but a Slinky tank top and SPIDERMAN BOY BRIEFS. Given the scope of the relationship and the numerous examples of “Fantasy Fulfillment” …it is beyond any doubt of mine, that Travis did indeed send the briefs, but for the SOLE purpose of recreating a sexual fantasy related to the imagery found in the movie. I can clearly imagine the conversations, similar to the other discussion we’ve heard, involving plans and Fantasies they wanted to act out which would have involved these Underwear. My main point in bringing this to light is not to legitimize Jodi in any way, but to Raise Awareness as to the nature of her outright deception on the stand. And how Jodi, as well as her defense, have smeared Travis, distorted the truth, and has absolutely no remorse what-so-ever for what she has done. Please, Nancy, vocalize these findings to your Audience and peers, and hopefully we can shatter the Illusion that Jodi has tried to cast on Lady Justice. On one side note…if I may, Id like to reference the dreaded Iris’ that came up during her TV Interviews. Follow me if you will…Jodi Claimed they had discussed names for daughters they saw themselves having. the Names she mentioned were REAGAN, Megan, HINCKLEY, and Iris. She then went on to remark as to how odd she viewed the name of Hinckley considering it was a Surname. But there is a Cosmic Truth that she is unaware that she manifest in those Names and words…..Hinckley(John Hinckley)…is the name of the Attempted Assassin of Ronald REAGAN. Thats in and of itself quite profound all things considered…but what gave me chills, is when you recall WHY Hinckley attempted to Assassinate Reagan……Hinckley’s claim, was that IF he was successful in killing Reagan….That Jodie (JODI) Foster would fall in love with him. These elements scream to me as a message from beyond our realm of understanding and we would be remiss not to observe such a Macabre “coincidence”. Thank you again, Nancy, for taking the time and having the dedication to pursue Justice and Liberty for all. Enclosed is a link to show the Scene in Charlies Angel I mentioned — http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FV3-1TsnoIc

      • She has others where she parodies NG at the Casey Anthony trial. She truly is funny, that huge barrette in her rubber wig said it all LMAO!

  95. My post to FB:

    If holding up like she has, with I believe grace, composure, and an extraordinary command of the English language, to the absolute unrelenting verbal assault of Juan Martinez and his abusive, controlling, manipulative, argumentative, nonsensical, juvenile, misogynistic style of questioning without “whatever..ing” him in the nose” does not prove that she most certainly could have and did stay in an abusive relationship that many have said she should have left…..well then, I don’t know what the freak would!:)

    And then this response:

    Veikko Alopaeus commented on your Wall post.
    Veikko wrote: “I for a short time was cruel to my wife early in marriage. I’m ashamed I was but I changed. Looking back I talked like this out of control prosecutor and my poor wife suffered quietly. It was verbal abuse. To my demands she would say anything to get me to stop. To someone in the jury, or tv land she would have looked like a liar as she changed her story and suffered.To me I was an a hole. I am thankful I saw the light and love my wife very much and we have had many years of full joy. I can’t believe I was like that.”

    Nothing further, Your Honor!

    • Nice. those are hate comments. All I know is tech people are working on this.

  97. I have to say that Nurmi and Willmott are doing very well. I don’t fault anyone in the Riverside debacle; in fact nobody would have thought to look there if it weren’t for the State vs Jodi Arias page that brought it up in the first place.

    Jodi is holding up well on the stand, keeping everything clear and concise. She is sick of Martinez’s shit and who can blame her? I certainly won’t. She shows the same range of human emotions anyone else would in her position, I wish people would give her a break.

    • He is trying to twist what she said to try to prove she is a liar. She hasn’t lied at all on the stand as far as I can tell.

      Martinez needs to offer a plea deal.

      • She HASN’T lied at all!!! They’ve asked her over 5k questions and she hasn’t changed an answer. Martinez IS twisting and putting words into her mouth. But yea, she hasn’t lied!!

        • Can i just say.. i don’t think that is what’ he is trying to do.. i think he’s trying to point out how impossible it is.. her version.. that’s all

          • He may be attempting to point that out – but its her truth that she is telling. Whether she’s lying or not is unknowable as we were not there. She may be lying. She may be telling what she remembers as her truth.
            He is acting like just another abusive man who is out of control. Where these talking heads get she is sneering and appearing angry – is do not see this. I see her as trying as heard as she can to tell her truth. And she is not allowing JM put words into her mouth.

            She’s been at this for weeks! saying pretty much the same thing. JM is the one who is JUMPING on each word she utters.

        • No, you are so right LC,
          He’s trying to put words in her mouth.
          She says that isn’t what I said.
          And he has to prove himself wrong, AGAIN!!!

      • She is definitely telling the truth on the stand.

        I caught some comments talking about how even Jane Velez Mitchell is conceding her version of events is more believable. Wow!

        • yes, this type of questioning is good for Jodi. And public opinion of JM. Keep it up, little man!!!

        • Ha!!!!!!!!!!!!
          I caught that.
          I’m sure Vinnie got his stupid stool dirty when she said it.
          I even had to go RW and see if I heard right!

    • I personally like Nurmi’s style and think it is a great contrast to Martinez. Her team is doing a good job with what they have.

  99. So let me get this straight. Travis was not the perfect mormon, so it’s not a big deal that he was an elder of a church who lied and led a double life.

    But somehow, it IS a big deal that Jodi lied, because she is a mormon and should have known better.

    WTF. Really?

    (To be clear, this isn’t about mormonism. I could care less what holy book Martinez decides to wave around, demanding Jodi be a perfect religious adherent while giving Travis a pass is just so hypocritical.)

    • That’s what is outrageous about the whole line of questioning. If she wasn’t a good Mormon, than neither was Travis.

        • And I thought Mormonism wasn’t supposed to be on trial? Is he catering to the Mormons on the jury or something?

          • I think so since Arizona Utah have a large Mormon Population, I think the juror who asked Jodi about the appearance of perfection had an inkling about the problems with this.
            Just to Clarify, I have met absolutely wonderful Mormons ex Mormons etc. I especially take issue with what I consider false doctrine but not the many good works that have been done by many Individual Mormon people.

          • Weather or not we admit it, like it or can understand why, Mormonism is being tried in every court of public opinion that hears this trial. The Mormon issue, the standards, practices and imperfections of all of its members and especially Travis and Jodi play a key part in the trial. It’s sad, biased and decidedly one sided, but it is a huge factor.

            • Bella,

              I think people know they don’t represent the entire church. Like you said, the church stands on it’s own.

            • Just remember Bella, just because one person didn’t follow the teaching of the church, doesn’t mean it was the churches fault, try being catholic when that church really was the problem, I’m still in denial with that one.

              • I remember the big scandals, and the still coming into light skirmishes’. I cannot imagine it is ever easy to live one’s faith in the limelight. I only know my heart believes in my Savoir and I try to live as He would have me live. Kindness, Charity, Faith and HOPE. With a little Justice for all thrown in for good measure on this one…

    • Even Christians sin. We are not perfect. Jodi isn’t perfect. Travis WASN”T perfect.

      • AMEN to that!!! I wish the defense would bring Travis up as an example of lying while pretending to be a devout mormon.

      • I have never met anyone who holds up to every standard of their religion. This is ridiculous.

    • this must be his thinnest argument! ”You ma’am read the Book of Mormon,yet you lied???Bad,bad girl,u’r gonna burn in hell!!”
      Is he serious????I dont even get where he’s getting at with that.

          • As someone mentioned before, no religion is perfect and the Mormon religion is not an exception. I believe that integrity has to do with the person itself. Religion will play an important role, but at the end of the day, everyone is different and everyone is responsible to give a good testimony and a good example for others to believe.

      • This pisses me right off. He’s not just putting Mormonism or trial he’s putting every religion on trial. That those who don’t follow their book should go to hell.

        He’s more than welcome to lead the way

    • Travis would be held to a higher standard as a Bishop. Jodi was a new convert, she looked to him for guidance.

      • Me too Candie, the religion is not in question here. We are given the doctrines and teachings. But we have free will, if we choose not to follow them, that is not a reflection of the community.

        It saddens me when people judge a whole community based on the actions of one or two. So much for hating the sin and loving the sinner…. 🙁

        • he pretty much put every religion on trial though.
          He’s basically saying that if you don’t follow your book (mormon, bible, quran etc) you’re going to hell

          Ok, fine. Lead the way jerk face

          • He tried, but in my opinion he looked foolish.

            We are not called to be perfect, we are called to be faithful.

  100. Put a sock in it Nancy Graceless. If I had a nickel for every actual “bombshell” she actually uncovered, I might have .15 cents. I literally want to slap her, she is classless, tasteless and truly graceless.

    • Yeah, don’t you love how she went on and on about Jodi’s cold sore? As if it’s a really big freakin deal.

      I’d like to see Nancy Grace take the stand for over a month, and eighteen days straight answering over 5000 questions without getting a cold sore. Part of me wishes her lips would break out with big, nasty, oozy crusty sores so she knows what it’s like to go on tv and have people point and laugh.

        • Perhaps Nancy Grace needs to back to rehab again. I can’t stomach her, she’s a bully!

          • Yes, an overbearing disgusting bully. I can’t believe people are willing to listen to her. My toddler covers his ears when she screeches. Lol!

  101. Another observation……I didn’t think TA’s family acted or seemed quit so smug today.

  102. Nancy Grace and her minions are stooping so low to laugh about Jodi’s cold sore. It reminds me of bullies in high school making fun of say a kid with acne or something totally beyond their control. I am so incensed with their mean, awful behavior. How can all these people that call in on her show love and adore her so much. I think she is a vile and evil person.

  103. Another observation…….. I didn’t think that TA’s family looked or seemed quit so smug today.

  105. Does this website have a FB page? If so, I would love to friend it or follow it! Please let me know.

  106. NG going on about how jurors are in some kind of “alliance” cause they give knowing looks to each other. None of the morons on the show mention how that shows they are discussing the case with each other, which is completely wrong and goes against all the instructions.. I think the lack of sequestration during this media firestorm should be an easy appeal to any bad verdict.

    So NG says she’s reading “emails” and then reads a short sentence which is probably a tweet. She doesn’t know the difference, obviously. How many people posting here are also tweeting NG? I’ve done it many times, they actually think twits on twitter are showing them what the public thinks. So help me God they do.

  107. I’m confused, yet again. I thought the “timeline” was based on the photos and timestamps and wasn’t that the prosecutions own theory, that everything happened based on the timestamps? They said he was alive in the last pic showing his face and dead in the pic with her foot. Now JM is saying it didn’t or couldn’t have happened that way?

    • If I understood correctly, Martinez is saying thats how it happened, and he’s trying to say that there is no way that Jodi could have done all these things (grabbed the gun, found the knife, etc.) in that amount of time. I think he’s trying to insinuate that Jodi is lying about the events of that evening?

      Jodi was the one who stated, she doesnt know that Travis was dead in the last photo (with her pant leg) because she doesnt remember. So, imo, kind of saying, that the timestamps may mean noothing as far as timeline, if Travis indeed was not dead in that last photo.

      I’m not sure that I know who’s theory this was from the get go, but I would assume the prosecutions. I dont recall hearing the defense refer to the timestamps as an exact timeline. Correct me if I’m wrong.

      • M.
        I cannot keep up with the barforama that spews from his mouth. I always thought the timeline was too short, but listening to the prosecution present their case, it seems that was what he was saying. That all of the events took place in that short time frame. Now it seems he is backing away from that and suggesting something else. I think he is lost. He confused himself. I’m sure he confused the jury as well. I hope Nurmi gives the closing argument of his life. JM is so all over the place his words do not flow well. He’s SPASTIC to say the least.

        • Thank you Trixels for the additional insight.
          I too have a hard time following Martinez – too many puzzles, mazes, & compound questions.
          Guess that’s his tactic, but doesnt men it works on everyone – right, no, yes?

          • M,
            How can the jury keep up with him or is speeding and rambling
            on to confuse them?
            Shows he has nothing else.

  108. They are saying weight tests were done on the shelves and that they only hold 40 pounds and were metal pegs. does anyone know anything about this? it was one of the people that NG had on her show just now, I didn’t catch the persons name.

    • That’s ridiculous because I’ve leveraged a foot on a shelf just like those using an arm to balance me on a seperate shelf plenty of times in order to grab something off a top shelf. I have prob 15- 20lbs on Jodi

    • Jodi weighs much less now than she did then. Let them bring in some shelves.I double dog dare em to.

      If it doesn’t tip, you must acquit.

  109. So now the experts!!!!! Does anyone know if the jury can asked them questions? I also wonder how the little man is going to hold up doing two trials at the same time…lol He can’t possibly keep this attack up for two trials without having stroke.

    I honestly pray that once this is over Jodi will be able to get some much needed help along with TA’s family. How horrible for them to hear all of this about their brother day after day.

    • Yes, The jury can ask all of the witnesses questions. They asked some of the witnesses that were on the stand before Jodi questions

      • Jodi has been on the stand so long I forgot there were other witnesses…lol JVM did say she was so stressed out after yesterday…lol Who wasn’t? But I think the judge might have slapped him down a bit because he did seem to lower his tone a bit after one of the sidebars…..

    • Actually Mormonism is not on Trial but apparently Many of Travis’s Mormon Friends have used Mormonism to rake Jodi Arias over the coals. The Media as we see
      Jane Velez, Nancy Grace , Dr.Drew The Court Channel have been very kind about Mormonism, & deemed it necessary to have Mormon experts come on their stations making the most most obscene remarks with regard to Jodi Arias which even a witch Doctor in the amazon Forest would find quite unbelievable. So, perhaps those who buy into the Main Stream medias incredible bias in this area. Whether she drank coffee smoked had sex wore a black jacket is irrelevant to the issue at hand which to my knowledge would be , did she kill Travis in self defense? what type of control did he have over her? Was she in fear of her life? Since many experts in this field,( that have never been on these silly programs,) do see that she was abused and have a different view point on the reality of her mental state. The only reason you will never hear them is due to the Fact that The Main stream media caters to complete Morons. One of the Good Old Mormon Boys stated and this has been the Mantra of these Freaks that Jodi was just a booty call. They sit there like
      The Brady Bunch Ala Stephen King & exposing themselves for what they are.

  111. So I missed the end of the day. Does Nurmi get a chance to address all the crap JM raised today, or does it just go pfft?

    • If only your insight were allowed within the jury room. It is sad to think someone so open and welcoming can be taken in by such deviance. Although I must say abusers choose the victim. I do however, find it all too convenient that when lawyers choose jurors they often weed out anyone who has any experience with the issues included in a case. You would think they would lean toward the experienced type within a jury as a way of protecting against the deviance and falsehoods, either way.

      In an abuse case such as this; one who has been abused can almost identify instantly, this disturbance in another person. The body language and demeanor of a victim of DV (Domestic Violence) is clear and present. Being abused is NOT something one can simply fake, without being in the room with Jodi you can see the hurt she holds within her. For instance my abuser was very charming and he had an unbelievable knack for convincing LE (Law Enforcement) he was honest and truthful. After choking me out in front of my daughter, trying to run me off of a bridge into a guard rail and kidnapping my son.

      We must thank the judge in our case, when it came down to the final stand his (My abuser) lies were transparent when laid out on paper. I was granted permission to take my then 3 year old boy and move out of the state. He is now about to turn 16, we have not seen hide nor hair of the bio-dad as we call him. I do not accept child support because the judge made it very simple. Comply with visitation or lose child support (easy decision).

      In this case I still have some catching up to do as I am only up to day 15 but, I have to say Jody you were bamboozled. You were taken advantage of. You were lied to and taken to a point no one should have to be taken too.

      I can only wish I would have had your courage all of those years ago. Maybe then my daughter and I’s abuser would not have the opportunity to take advantage of anyone else. But, for now he lives in Bell, California. Who knows who else daughter he is sneaking in to visit at night now.

  113. I am just now listening to jurors questions from Day 28 and I find some to be extremely disturbing… so far there were no witnesses that claimed Jodi was a stalker except for the very first ex-gf of TA’s who said he told her Jodi was – she did not witness it. So, why the questions about who she broke up with first and any other questions about previous boyfriends? It really, really seems like at least some of the jury is watching some things they aren’t supposed to. Does anyone else get that feeling?

  114. I posted a question and instead of being at the end (with the most recent) it seems to have “risen above” and got lost up there somewhere. Is this happening to anyone else?

  116. So what happened to the Walmart and Tesoro thing ? Was Kermit full of hot air again ?

  117. These grinning ghouls on tv make me sick. I’m appalled by their laughs and giggles and constant ridicule and hatred towards Jodi.

    One could spin that they come across as HAPPY this happened to Travis as it’s given them lots to jabber and smile about. I guess they enjoy kicking a dog when its down. Pitiful

    They are sickening.

    • I agree with you whole-heartedly, Rainy. They are sickening and it’s sad to see so much hatred in this country.

  119. I think Fartinez fucked himself by mentioning the weight thing in the closet and not actually bringing one in to show the jury. That right there is telling the jury that Fartinez is full of fart and shit. I think he lost the case right there. Fartinez should move to Alaska if she’s found not guilty of first degree murder cause he won’t be able to show his face anymore.

    • LOL

      I just can’t believe that people actually think Kermit has anything to back up what he yelps about in court…they just haven’t learned he is full of hot stinky shit air.

      More than likely he was bluffing, YET AGAIN.

      I’m still waiting for the REAL bank statement (the one with dates on it), walmart records and Tesoro records….

  120. After Dark is on and they are already saying that she did really badly. They have a “Real”Jury . But we are allowed to vote.

      • I bet it was the same Jury Wannabes that show up here trying to tell us what the jury wants to see.

        LOLOL

        And then they put their jury hats on as if that gives them more expertise.

    • Plus “REAL” lawyers to answer their questions! LMAO
      Anybody buy that?
      They’re a bunch of ass clowns.

  122. How disappointing for the membership here to find out that there was NO mugshot of Travis.

    • Actually, I dont think anyones been disappointed on here.
      More so thankful for the commitment from all on here for their concern for justice.
      Disappointing would be if none of us took something like an arrest under Travis’ name seriously.

      • Nope, no disappointment here. Just glad it was clarified by the PROPER authorities.

        Not by Shamma wannabeawriter.

    • It seems to me that it is MORE disappointing to you (and those with your mindset) that people here aren’t calling for more blood – that’s why you are so full of hate like the rest of the ghouls; you cannot stand sane, intelligent conversations.

    • Have to wonder how disappointed the pedo-lovers were that martinez couldn’t back up his walmart claims. Oh well, at least the little guy doesn’t let failure get him down…

      • Exactly Neo!!! All that talk and bluffing to get the haters worked up for nothing??? Hiw disappointing for you losers!!! Hahaaaa

    • I was disappointed, not so much The MUG SHOT, since I knew that Travis brother had numerous MUG SHOTS ,and probably can wallpaper the East Room In the White House with them. My disappointment was due to my desire to join PPL, and bring all my Rich Friends. But then I saw what a lousy Job PPL did for Travis Alexander in regard to his Identity theft! , Legal Shield, which became PPL and I hear stands for POMPOUS PATHETIC LOSERS and is a scam. The Biggest Shock was when researched carefully This Company was owned by Satan & his MINIONS!!

    • Hey Keepingit, Well at least we know Travis doesn’t have a mugshot in Riverside CA but according to Juan Martinez and The Book of MormonTravis is most likely in hell for lying. Gee, I guess that means the brother who LIED and used his name is slated to arrive there someday too.

      And, of course, Jodi is headed there for lying, according to the BOM.

      So I guess if the Jodi haters get their wish you’ll be sending her off ASAP to be with Travis for eternity.

      hmmmm….I bet she had this all planned from the beginning given her cunning nature ….

  124. Now I hope we get most of the males or older ladies being picked for the final 12 jurors cause judging by the Facebook posts most of the haters r 20-40 yr old females. I’ve seen a few older and some men defending jodi over there.

  125. I would like to thank SJ, who’s support and this site is amazing. Done with no ads, no pay or any accolades. thank you for all you do.

  128. Fartinez tried to tell the jury that the expert witnesses r people that r helping her with her case. F u Fartinez. I hope one of ur kids someday get accused of a crime and some asshole prosecutor pulls this kind of shit on them

  129. Fartinez is so stupid he didnt even ask her or at least try and ask her what the knife looked like. I kept waiting for him to ask but he never did .

  130. The prosecutor keeps asking Jodi if she has problems with her memory….over and over again. He barks at her can’t she remember what she testified to yesterday….or and hour ago….etc. Each time he badgers at her about it and goes in circles until she then asks him to repeat the question……. He then asks the court reporter to read his last question…which makes me ask…… Does he have problems with his memory? Can’t he remember what he just asked?

    • Sky, he was pathetic in his attack at her. He was almost spitting at times. I wish I was on the jury. His antics alone would turn me off and I’d never find her guilty due to him.

      His attack of her is alarming and abusive. His flailing arms and lunatic ranting as he walks back and forth is so unnecessary.

  131. When JM was hammering Jodi about The Book of Mormon and lying, and that one goes to hell ….

    Then I guess Travis is there already as he was lying also and wasn’t chaste..

    Travis lived as a Mormon longer than she did. When it was to his convenience, I guess lying and principles didn’t apply to him either.

    This attorney is sickening.

  132. Wow! I thought that NG was a witch and the worse person on HLN, but I was wrong. At least she has an excuse, she was a formal persecutor, but Dr. Drew (evil) won. I can believe this man considers him self a Dr. in psychology. these people on his show today really make me sick. One lady in the panel, or should i say one witch in the panel, just told him that Jodi had no feelings or emotions because people like her are not capable of feeling anything, and this lady has a PHD in psychology?, How can these people talk like that. God created everyone equal and every single human have feelings, even the worse of the worse criminals. God have mercy on Jodi and please give her strength , please God you be her judge.

    • Audrey, I had to shut Dr Pew off. The behaviour panel was like a gang of grinning starving hyenas out for blood.

      JM looked like a fool when he was accusing Jodi of using the word “argument” and had the transcriber read back – and the word had not been used by her. He is a bully and was so abusive to her – probably much like she encountered with T dog here and there.

    • They’re describing a sociopathic personality. People who could be diagnosed as such would have feelings, but ONLY for THEMSELVES. They lack EMPATHY, thus making it easy to lie, manipulate, and worse, murder without regret. In that way, others would be used only in so far as they’re beneficial to the sociopath. I think this is where the prosecution is going with Jodie. I hope that helps, Audrey!

    • HLN has betrayed any semblance of human decency, and Dr Drew is one of the worst IMO.

      He tries to pass himself off as this “nice guy” psychological expert, did you know that he is in fact NOT qualified to diagnose and treat mental disorders? He is NOT a psychiatrist. From what I understand he is an MD with a license to treat addiction, very different than being schooled and interned several years for psychiatry.

      There is zero proof that Jodi is a sociopath, in fact I’ve seen a wide range of human emotions and a great deal of empathy and remorse. They are saying she has no feelings so they can throw her to the rapist wolves with no conscience. HLN hosts and experts are paid to support the prevailing opinion; and they appeal to the lowest common denominators of society that are too stupid and selfish to understand how their mob mentality compromises the justice system in our country. They’d rather enlist the help of a mindless rabble of pond scum than honestly make a point in a professional manner. They are a disgrace to the journalism industry.

      But back to Dr Douche. He is just as unhealthy, bloodthirsty, vicious, and conniving as any of the other HLN hosts. For far too long he has gotten a pass for his behavior; because he’s so damn wishy washy and pretends to be sensitive to people’s experiences. So maybe the state of California ought to consider revoking his license to practice medicine, as he clearly continues to blatantly shit on the Hippocratic oath that states:

      FIRST DO NO HARM.

      • Jodi is not a sociopath. That’s the diagnosis du jour of the Internet trial harpies and the HLN losers.

      • “He is NOT a psychiatrist. From what I understand he is an MD with a license to treat addiction, very different than being schooled and interned several years for psychiatry.”

        You are absolutely right! He is board certified in internal medicine and addiction medicine, NOT psychiatry. And who gives a shit if he is an assistant professor, he probably got handed that just for his media shit.

        I wonder if it is within his scope of practice to even make those kind of judgements with someone in person. If not, then he shouldn’t be doing it on tv.

  134. Today, Mr. Martinez asked many questions about time as he tried to emphasize for the jury that there were only 62 seconds between the last ‘live’ photo of TA and the ‘dragging’ photo which he believes shows a deceased TA being manhandled down the hall by JA in her socked feet. He attempts to influence the jurors that there simly was not enough ‘time’ for all the the activity that JA describes prior to the ‘fog’ as well as the time for the stabbing to have occurred, at least not enough time for JA’s version. Afterall, she had to search for the knife and run around the bath, hallway and closet. Ok.

    First the wall between the closet and the hall is on 11′ – 11’6″ in length. This distance takes 4-5 strides when walking, 3-4 when running. Even considering that she then ran back that distance to the gun, we are only talking about 6-8 strides. This is hardly a lot of distance. I timed myself trotting this distance, and turning around, then jumping up and it was less that 5 seconds. TA takes 3 strides towards JA before she shot him, what is this another 1-2 seconds? How many seconds does it take to get off the floor when you are in fear of your life? 1? 2? 3? How many seconds would it take to stab something 27 times? 10? 15? So, now we have accounted for about 25 seconds. Toss in 3 for the lunge from the shower and there are perhaps 34 seconds during which JA could have spotted the knife, grabbed it and started stabbing.

    He is barking up the wrong tree here. This all could have happened within 62 seconds. Furthermore, the fact that it DID happen in those few seconds, shows that JA did not have time to THINK about her actions, to REFLECT on her actions but rather only enough time to REACT on instinct. It tends to prove that her instinct for survival (the strongest one we have) kicked in, she acted upon it and therefore this was not a premeditated killing.

    If, as they have stated, JA made up stories to fit the evidence, why oh why didn’t she tell them that TA came after her with a knife? Why go through all the ‘I don’t know’ testimony about where the knife was, when she remembered where it was, etc, etc., which she knows makes her look bad? Seriously, if you are going to make up a story, wouldn’t you cover ALL the bases?

    Oh well. My opinion only.

    • Ya I wish someone would do a video an reenact that scene with real people not those paper figures. I would but I don’t have a working video camera at the moment an my layout in this house is not even close to what Travis had but I bet somebody on here has something similar. Would be interesting for sure.

  135. wow, that HLN after dark was a joke! The only person that made any sense was Judge Joe Brown! But he shot them down, so they probably won’t invite him back!! hahaha

    • Really they have all the HLN junkies as jurors really fair is what I thought an they all HATE JODI that is evident I knew it would be GUILTY bunch of panty waists. Hey I have a opinion too just like Vinnie said the other day. We all can’t be the same or people or would be putting everyone to death for every little thing because I think they like it.

      Like the old hanging days when the whole town went an they took the kids too.
      I am thinking people want to go back to that the way it feels lately.

      • Ryan Smith and Vinnie Politan are now on Showbiz Tonight looking so fucking pleased with themselves.

        No wonder Judge Joe Brown was pissed. They make a mockery of our justice system.

    • I was just livid watching that farce of a show. They are persecuting Jodi, she is innocent until proven guilty, her trial isn’t even over yet. How are they allowed to do this? They are making a mockery of the justice system and it’s okay?

      I was so angry I was in tears watching them, at the end those fake jurors were all laughing. This is not okay, they are pond scum!

      • I’m so sorry to hear that Gail. 🙁 I hope you feel better soon.

        A couple things I noticed:

        They did not begin with the presumption if innocence. They did not vet the “jury” (funny it should even be called that) to make sure that they would judge the “case” based on the evidence. Nor did they say that Jodi has a constitutional right to the presumption of innocence.

        Two, the lady in the back that was babbling was talking about things OTHER than the gun issue; when that’s what the show was about.

        HLN clearly has nothing but contempt for the jury system. It is NOT supposed to work like that, Judge Joe Brown knew that and got his word in about it too!!

        • Thanks MB,

          My heart is breaking, they are abusing Jodi day after day, night after night and they find humor in what they are doing. What happened to human decency?

          I know Jodi made some poor choices, she knows that too. But that doesn’t mean she doesn’t deserve to be treated with dignity and respect, she hasn’t been found guilty, and in the eyes of the law, she is presumed innocent. These parasites have tried and convicted her before her lawyers have finished presenting all their evidence. What about her rights?

          And I am angry, what ground we had gained in helping victims of domestic violence to find the courage to get out of their situation has been seriously damaged. We have lost so many to domestic violence. And now I fear we will lose even more because fear of not being believed, or they will be mocked and ridiculed will keep them in the cycle of abuse.

          I watched the media circus during Casey Anthony’s trial and thought that was bad, that was nothing compared to what they are doing to Jodi. What they are doing is nothing less that a hate crime in my opinion.

          I just don’t understand how they can do this and not have to answer for their actions.

    • Yeah, I notice they got that “ed show” poll going on. I’m a fan of the ed show, but at least I can concede that his poll at the end of the night is a fucking joke.

      HLN takes itself way too seriously for the trash talk tv tabloid network it really is.

  136. I want to start off by stating, all this is guess work, I have no absolute proof of this, and I believe both Travis and Jodi are victims of their childhood. They are both humans, and they both made mistakes. Again, they are both victims.

    1) If you listened to the full version of that sex tape between Jodi and Travis, the very, very beginning, they were discussing how Travis previously sent a scathing email to some guy about his shameful behavior (that was against Mormon beliefs). Travis and Jodi were discussing how people should not publicize their sins. They were also discussing how Travis should send another scathing (admonishing) email to this other guy who was acting contrary to Mormon beliefs.

    2) Travis and Jodi were consenting adults, who decided to have a sexual relationship. This relationship, however, contradicted their beliefs. They both felt guilty pleasure … they tried to stop, but couldn’t, but tried, but couldn’t (based on Jodi’s and Daniel Freeman’s testimony). Travis probably blamed Jodi for him sinning, like, even if he wanted it, Jodi should have said no. It is her fault he sinned. Shows like NG, Dr. Drew, whatever sites, they all keep saying stuff along these lines … oh Jodi should have put limits, it’s up to the woman!! (This greatly upsets me because I feel like it makes some guys feel like it is okay to rape and mistreat women.) In my opinion, yeah, maybe Jodi should have said no, but Travis never should have asked. If (according to these venomous media sites) Travis was a man, and he gave into weakness by asking, and he is only human, then Jodi giving in does not make her a whore, it makes her a human who made a mistake. What is wrong with the world!!!!!!

    3) Travis told his friends that she was stalking him because he was ashamed. He needed an excuse as to why she was still around.

    4) He got very angry when she accidentally sent an email to him meant for another guy. It seemed like he was angry and jealous at the possibility of her having the same type of relationship she had with him (Travis) with another man. He called her a whore, and he even made references to how she should have sex with this guy in a forest (this is what I am basing my guess on).

    5) As I mentioned in point #1, he felt that it was his place to send scathing emails to people he felt were sinning. When Jodi was having sex with him,because he (Travis) was involved, he made excuses to justify his sin to himself and not feel bad about it (oh, I gave in to weakness, I prayed for forgiveness, I am trying hard to be good, etc) and so that meant it was okay that Jodi did stuff with him. But,because he suspected Jodi was now having sex with another guy (or going to) he felt it within his rights (maybe as a church elder) to send Jodi a scathing email calling her a whore, telling her the punishment is better than the lie, telling her that her family, friends, everybody would spit on her if the knew the truth. (Even though Travis was dating two women, trying to find a wife before he was 30 — his friends even said this. Travis wanted to be married by 30. It was okay for him to date, but not Jodi, apparently).

    6) Travis was not aggressive with Marie or Lisa because he did not have sex with them. Sex changes the nature of a relationship entirely. It made it easier for him to be mean to her, because he had more of a guarantee of her coming back, because people who have sex become more emotionally invested in a relationship. They have more to lose. They don’t want to feel like they had sex with the wrong person, so they keep trying to make it work. Also, with Marie and Lisa, he wanted to get married, so he didn’t try to have sex with them, because he wanted to get married! He was pushing Lisa to get married (she was uncomfortable, she wasn’t ready, she even said this), probably because he had urges, and he didn’t want to break his vows again (he was also getting sex from Jodi at the time, so it is not like he had unfulfilled needs). If you want an accurate comparison of relationships, they need to find a girl he dated before Jodi!

    7) Jodi mentioned that Travis would be mean to her, then apologize and be sweet. She probably cleared this mess up in the following days, then he asked her to come to AZ, and this brings us to June 4th.

    Again, all pure guesswork on my part. But I’ve seen it time and time again (I have been a witness). There are guys, who state that they are religious, then start dating a girl, tell her they want to marry her, pressure her into having sex, or have sex with her because it was mutual, then they dump her and say “she is not marriage material” because she had sex with him before marriage, and they want to marry a virgin, or someone they did not have sex with. Travis told his friends Jodi was not marriage material.

    • Nk,

      Thanks for writing all that in a way that makes sense out of it all. I think your guesswork is good. I would be interested in a follow up to this about June 4th … what you think happened that day. Maybe you already have … I just haven’t come across it yet.

      • Natalie, I am honestly not 100% sure what happened. So much of it does not make sense. I mean, she was a lot smaller than him and because of that, I do not think she stabbed him first. I believe her story, I think he was shot first. My best guess would be:

        1) Given that they were taking pictures until the last minute, I really can’t think of anything that would make her outraged all of a sudden to just murder him. Definitely not that stupid trip, that phone conversation between them indicated he was planning to come visit her right after his Cancun trip, and he even said she was priority. She dropped the camera. He got angry. He was already frustrated that day, things boiled over. I think when she says body slam, she doesn’t mean it the way pro-wrestlers mean it. I think he sort of lifted her off the ground (only a bit, not to high) and knocked her out of of the way. She hit her head, but because he did not lift her that high, she did not hit her head hard. She rolled away.

        2) She ran, he ran after her, possibly after checking the camera. He may have taken that picture of the roof when checking the camera. She grabbed the gun from the closet. Now, she is pretty tall, she probably only had to step on the bottom shelf for a few seconds, reach up and grab the gun really fast because she knew it’s location. She was not stepping on the shelf for a long period of time looking for the gun. I’ve stepped on shaky, unstable shelves before for 5-10 seconds, just to grab something that I couldn’t reach, but could see. I don’t see why this shelf would just break. Especially, if she just had one foot on the shelf, one hand pulling her up, her weight would be balanced between two shelves, not one.

        3) She grabbed the gun. Pointed it at him like she said. He lunged. It freaked her out. Her finger pulled the trigger. Her fingers were near the trigger. Him lunging would cause her to flinch. It would explain the angle of the entry point. According to autopsy, they said they couldn’t be sure, but it appeared that there was no significant hemorrhaging and no significant damage to the cortex. That means all his functions would be intact. They can’t really tell what areas were hit because of deterioration, but given the caliber of the gun, it is possible that there were no serious effects whatsoever, it just pissed him off even further. Frontal lobe of the brain is also responsible for aggression inhibition, it is possible, if there was slight damage, that this could be why Travis became more aggressive, but there would be no way for Jodi to know that.

        4) This made him even angrier. The knife was probably on the sink or bathtub. Jodi reached up and grabbed it when Travis said he was going to kill her because the gun was knocked out of her hand. She wanted another weapon to keep him from charging at her. Travis probably thought he could get the knife away from her because he was so much bigger than her. He charged. But the skull bone is thick, just because it went through the skull does not mean it actually hit the cortex of the brain. The detective only speculated it had to have passed through the frontal lobe of the brain, but there is space between the brain and cortex, it could have missed the cortex.

        5) She probably started stabbing. His defense wounds, probably from when he initially tried to get the knife away from her, but failed. Her wounds, probably her struggling to hold onto the knife from when he tried to get it from her. If he was on top of her, but her arm was free, she could have stabbed him in the back at this point, several times, then he may have managed to get up, she probably stabbed him in the heart. (I doubt there is any way to figure what wounds came first). She may have just gone into overkill because she was scared. (The reason I think she held the knife up as a way to get him to not come at her and he came and grabbed the knife at the blade anyway is because he had 0 (ZERO, NO) stab wounds on his forearms or upper arms. If he was trying to block Jodi from stabbing him, he wound not just use the palms of his hands, he would put his forearms and upper arms, wrap them around where she was stabbing for protection). Think about it, act it out for yourself, how would you defend yourself.

        6) For the neck, and I seriously think this is possible. She was probably taught about the atonement stuff (the blood sacrifice). I think she realized he was dying and was not going to make it, and so she did the blood sacrifice ritual to “save him.” (God knows if he even was able to ask her to do this because he knew he was dying and he knew he sinned and had no time to confess to a bishop or anything else).

        Again, all guess work

    • I really agree with all you just said there…………………JUST one thing NO MORMON woman is going to TARNISH herself with that congregation they can get excommunicated for that an I am sure if they are LIFERS as in family born it would be shameful to them an especially in this nasty trial here. NO WAY they will. An Lisa said a lot I think about him grabbing her butt in public. HE was very persistent Mimi said. Sounded like to me almost too pushy that turns off most woman but some women like that they think it is self confidence I see it as arrogance.

      I wish just one woman that was not Mormon an afraid of the public would. Most don’t have the guts tho I am afraid they would rather die with that secret after all this going on.

      I could swear I remember Jodi saying on one question can’t remember when tho but that some girl she saw him with he said Oh it won’t happen again I picked her up in Phoenix but I cant remember if that was during the trial on somewhere else.

      • Well I mean, I think Travis may have been pushy with them because he wanted to get married before 30 and he did not have a lot of time left. They may have not done anything, or maybe they did. But he may have not pushed sex with them because he really wanted to get married.

        Now, I think religiously, if people are at that age where they have strong sexual desires, they should try to get married instead of giving into their desires before marriage. That may have been what he was trying to do.

  137. Mr. Martinez believes with the core of his being that JA planned and then executed the murder of TA because she was jealous. To that end, he also believes that she is a stone-cold killer who feels no remorse and will say anything to escape punishment. He is as impassioned as any attorney who believes in his/her case. One can not fault him for vigourously prosecuting someone he believes to be a cold blooded killer and a danger to society. It is bothersome to see so many ad hominem attacks on Mr. Martinez. He is doing his job and ‘playing nice’ is not part of it.

    We, the people, the state, are entitled to vigourous prosecutions just as defendants are entitled to vigourous defenses. Remember, everyone wants the other guy’s lawyer to play nice but never their own.

    • I disagree. A prosecutor’s job is to ensure that justice is served. They are supposed to have the presumption of innocence at the forefront of their actions. Due process should be first and foremost in their minds. They should lose sleep at night if they believe the wrong person has been indicted. They should strive to ensure that all the facts are disclosed. They are expected to present the facts, realizing their power — which is to take away someone’s freedom, or even, their life. Otherwise, we might as well return to arenas and gladiators!

      There was a good ABA article on this subject a few years back — which focuses mostly on white collar crime — but nonetheless discusses the changing face of prosecutors and the ever-growing issue of prosecutorial misconduct: http://www.abajournal.com/magazine/article/aggressive_justice/

      In an appellate decision discussed therein, a justice stated: “The lead prosecutor somehow forgot that truth is never negotiable,” Carney charged in his Dec. 15 decision. “To submit this case to the jury would make a mockery … of the constitutional right to due process.”

      Also quoted, which I think bears consideration: “On a human level, you can understand that, in the heat of a case, a prosecutor’s emotions might take over, and they may be motivated to do whatever’s necessary to win,” says Ross Garber, a partner at Shipman & Goodwin in Hartford, Conn., who specializes in criminal defense. “But prosecutors have a higher duty that they can’t lose sight of, and that’s justice.”

      • Ya you are right on that I think too. His birthday was just around the corner July 28th I think he would have been turning 31 ? an that is when they throw you into another ward if I heard Mimi right he defiantly wanted a younger wife.

      • WOW Also Abused !! we all know that is how it should be for sure. But it sure is not can you imagine NG as a prosecutor !? horrible no wonder she is on a drama show now. This maybe where all the prosecutors like this end up because they are highly dramatized in actions an do not care who they hurt or what they say matter of tact they say so much crap they turn around their own words an say half truths etc. I think it is HORRID !! example JM says ………..so the knife you say you took the knife “maam “an cut the knife……”maam”……?????????what ? ya if someone listens to him he does it all the time as NG does too an that Vinnie guy too I guess that is why I can’t stand them.

  138. It will be interesting and I think sooooo good for jodi when alyce laviolette testifies on her behalf. I’ve been wondering if she will be able to talk about Travis and his psychopathology. She can only go by jodis statements so I’m not sure. Has anyone seen an expert on behalf of defendant speak about someone they’ve not interviewed just heard about through the defendant?

  140. Natalie, in case you missed it (also, I realized, one of my statements went into the wrong paragraph, hopefully, this clarifies things).

    My speculation about JUNE 4th

    1) Given that they were taking pictures until the last minute, I really can’t think of anything that would make her outraged all of a sudden to just murder him. Definitely not that stupid trip, that phone conversation between them indicated he was planning to come visit her right after his Cancun trip, and he even said she was priority. She dropped the camera. He got angry. He was already frustrated that day, things boiled over. I think when she says body slam, she doesn’t mean it the way pro-wrestlers mean it. I think he sort of lifted her off the ground (only a bit, not to high) and knocked her out of of the way. She hit her head, but because he did not lift her that high, she did not hit her head hard. She rolled away.

    2) She ran, he ran after her, possibly after checking the camera. He may have taken that picture of the roof when checking the camera. She grabbed the gun from the closet. Now, she is pretty tall, she probably only had to step on the bottom shelf for a few seconds, reach up and grab the gun really fast because she knew it’s location. She was not stepping on the shelf for a long period of time looking for the gun. I’ve stepped on shaky, unstable shelves before for 5-10 seconds, just to grab something that I couldn’t reach, but could see. I don’t see why this shelf would just break. Especially, if she just had one foot on the shelf, one hand pulling her up, her weight would be balanced between two shelves, not one.

    3) She grabbed the gun. Pointed it at him like she said. He lunged. It freaked her out. Her finger pulled the trigger. Her fingers were near the trigger. Him lunging would cause her to flinch. It would explain the angle of the entry point. According to autopsy, they said they couldn’t be sure, but it appeared that there was no significant hemorrhaging and no significant damage to the cortex. That means all his functions would be intact. They can’t really tell what areas were hit because of deterioration, but given the caliber of the gun, it is possible that there were no serious effects whatsoever, it just pissed him off even further. Frontal lobe of the brain is also responsible for aggression inhibition, it is possible, if there was slight damage, that this could be why Travis became more aggressive, but there would be no way for Jodi to know that. But the skull bone is thick, just because it went through the skull does not mean it actually hit the cortex of the brain. The detective only speculated it had to have passed through the frontal lobe of the brain, but there is space between the brain and cortex, it could have missed the cortex.

    4) This made him even angrier. The knife was probably on the sink or bathtub. Jodi reached up and grabbed it when Travis said he was going to kill her because the gun was knocked out of her hand. She wanted another weapon to keep him from charging at her. Travis probably thought he could get the knife away from her because he was so much bigger than her. He charged.

    5) She probably started stabbing. His defense wounds, probably from when he initially tried to get the knife away from her, but failed. Her wounds, probably her struggling to hold onto the knife from when he tried to get it from her. If he was on top of her, but her arm was free, she could have stabbed him in the back at this point, several times, then he may have managed to get up, she probably stabbed him in the heart. (I doubt there is any way to figure what wounds came first). She may have just gone into overkill because she was scared. (The reason I think she held the knife up as a way to get him to not come at her and he came and grabbed the knife at the blade anyway is because he had 0 (ZERO, NO) stab wounds on his forearms or upper arms. If he was trying to block Jodi from stabbing him, he wound not just use the palms of his hands, he would put his forearms and upper arms, wrap them around where she was stabbing for protection). Think about it, act it out for yourself, how would you defend yourself? (If, for example, you could not grab the knife away from the person, which it did not seem Travis could, he would shift to shielding vital organs with forearms, upper arms, try to curl into a ball, like you would when trying to defend yourself while being punched. At least this gives him a chance for protection while trying to get her to snap out of her trance, which I think she was in out of fear). Also, defense wounds prove nothing to me, because let’s say he had the knife first, she managed to get it, and then was able to use it on him instead of him on her, he would still try to protect himself and still have defense wounds. No person, even if they are the attacker whose victim got the upper hand is going to sit there and just take it.

    6) For the neck, and I seriously think this is possible. She was probably taught about the atonement stuff (the blood sacrifice). I think she realized he was dying and was not going to make it, and so she did the blood sacrifice ritual to “save him.” (God knows if he even was able to ask her to do this because he knew he was dying and he knew he sinned and had no time to confess to a bishop or anything else).

    Again, all guess work

  141. IF she is condemned to hell for lying per Nephi 2, then the whole Alexander family will see her there and TA will greet them!

  142. With Martinezs’ antics I thought I’d seen it all… until I saw that there has been a spoof video made……………………..a …………comedy???????????????

    I am shocked to the core. How can anyone allow THIS?

  143. SJ,
    I think Nurmi and his co-council worn green and the other colors (look at his tie) as a shout out to this group!! JMO but I have that feeling.

    • Patty, Seriously? I had to check if it was St Patricks day when saw them both in green! I hope you’re right!

      A thought re the knife – might it be possible that, after being shot and TA says his “I’ll kill you” stuff, might he have gone to the sink where HE notices the knife there, picks it up and starts to come towards Jodi?

      He misses her and drops the knife and she, with even more escalating mortal fear picks it up, goes into overdrive and we end up with the final outcome.

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