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Well… I think the little guy has finally lost the plot. Shouting & gesticulating for 3 hours about gas cans, number plates & gas station receipts just ain’t gonna a cut it with the jury… that’s assuming they didn’t fall asleep during his latest jizz-less performance.
All it proves is that Martinez has no evidence. He’s trying to win this case based on assumption, speculation, hearsay & hot air. But there’s just no way all 12 jurors are gonna be convinced beyond and to the exclusion of all reasonable doubt. He knows that already. He’s known it for a long while. So has everyone else.
AIN’T GONNA HAPPEN.
I know it must be beyond infuriating for the TravisTown haters & pedo-huggers, knowing they’re not gonna get the “result” they want… but they had better get used to it – and fast.
Latest score after 4 days?
Jodi 4 – 0 Martinez.
Leave your comments below as day 5 of the Martinez cross examination pissing match continues – and maybe even concludes today.
He’s now got enough rope… let’s see if he hangs himself. We can but hope.
SJ
Team Jodi
I can’t wait for Martinez to finish his cross examination! When I watch him I vacillate between irritation at his bullying, boredom from him beating a dead horse so to speak and trying to figure out where his line of questioning is going. If any of of the jurors have ADHD they will have tuned out Martinez long ago.
I heard on one of the tv channels (forgot which exact one) that one black male juror in the back row is slumping in his hair and appears tuned out now. Also, a male juror in front seems like he is getting antsy with JM and one lady juror who was taking notes is now sitting there tapping her pen. Don’t know what it all exactly means, but appears that some of the jurors are getting tired of JM. Could be a host of other reasons too.
Maybe we could call into NG and ask the body language expert what they think. Since according to the talking heads what the body language expert says is LAW!!! LOL
It is so sad that our Justice System goes hand in hand with the Media!! It’s nothing but a Drama Circus!! No fairness! No Justice! All of them are …. Grabbing for the spot light & their moment of fame! It is sad what it has all come too. That’s is one of the reasons so many innocent people are put away!!
Whatever happened to “proving guilty beyond a shadow of a doubt”?
You are exactly right… I first started watching the trial on HLN and Trutv and couldn’t believe the wolf pack mentality displayed in these commentators blood lust. It put me in mind of the old Roman coliseums where death of others was strictly entertainment. Needless to say I now watch on computer Internet. What every citizen of this country should really be concerned about is this demonstration of the abuse of this nations justice system and how it is manipulated by the good old boy scratch my back and I’ll scratch yours to get a conviction anyway possible. Case in point; ME lied under out as to changing his interpretation of the autopsy after getting with DA and lead detective reluctantly followed suit only after he realised his job was on the line if he did change also and comply to the DA’s theory that the gun was last through a dead brain. and CNN and all their affiliates promote the ridiculous theory even though it doesn’t match any of the physical evidence. SAD SAD SAD!!!
Sorry for the misspeak I hope Martinez doesn’t see it or I’ll have hell to pay ha ha… I meant to say……. ‘lead detective reluctantly followed suit only after he realised his job was on the line if he did(NOT) change also and comply to the DA’s theory that the gun was last through a dead brain.’
So agree! Media is already saying she is guilty, I pray they eat there words. Jodi looks so worn out:( Martinez is doing this on purpose….she is abused,has been pretty much all her life…. another man bashing her its a pattern…. her abuse is the type will she will agree with everything…. okay Jodi’s attorney….. its time to play hardball…..hang in there Jodi!
I am new here and I want to start with saying I apologize if I offend anyone that is not my intention,
I just want to rant somewhere without people jumping all over me because they have already
convicted her.
If I was on that jury I would vote to let her go just because of the way they are treating her!!!
God Martinez is such a douche today. I can’t believe that her attorney hasn’t objected for
badgering already. She has kept her cool way longer than I could have. They would have
had to drag me off of him, with my hands wrapped around that throat of his!!!
This ass is acting like he doesn’t know a linebacker doesn’t know what lunge means!
And that freaking attitude of his “DID I ask you THAT!!!
While I am bitching here I guess I will put that idiot Vinnie whatever his last name is
from In Session up there with him. He’s a male version of Nancy fat face. . Geez they are
convicting her in the media. You can’t tell me none of these jurors are watching this shit.
I just popped in here cuz I can’t stand this guy anymore without going off. The other sites are all crucifying her, acting like Travis was some freaking angel. Well yeah they are only asking
HIS friends.
I don’t want to insult anyone here of the mormon faith but does anyone else think Travis
old boy seemed :kinda gay” for real? like he said to Jodi during one of their photo shoots?
AND what better cover than being a mormon – no physcial contact without it violating their
rules. and it sure would explain his obsession with the anal sex. Maybe she saw him
looking not at little boys but at young men in underwear. Hell did they search his
computer for clothing catalogs?
I know Travis’ family is probably tired of listening to all their sexcapades but why doesn’t
someone tell her lawyers to tell the judge to tell the heavier sisterone to quit sitting there
rolling her eyes and shaking her head? If we can see it the jury damn sure can
Martinez must be gay also, he can’t understand why she says Travis made her feel
like a prostitute?? So they did a certain act a million times, when he wipes his dick
shoves it back in his pants and throws chocolate at her – he might as well be throwing
money – hell who wouldn’t feel like a prostitute??
I think Travis wanted to take it in the ass and he didn’t like those feelings so he punished J
odi by doing that to her.
OK she lied, she snapped after Travis did SOMETHING to her who knows if it was slap her –
kick her just degrade her for the millionth time, screw her and throw her clothes at her or a
10 dollar bill and tell her to get out. who knows WE WEREN’T THERE!!! From the sound of it Travis’ “friends abused her also!!! I don’t doubt shes blocked alot of this out. And she
snapped did all those things to him – which was overkill but 2 years of abuse hell it was bound to happen. These 2 had a toxic relationship. One of them was going to die that was the only way this “relationship” could end. She loved him and didnt want to or couldn’t let go, and he
wasn’t about to give up his human sex doll. then when she did snap back to reality and see
what the hell happened she freaked out – who wouldn’t. She was scared, and the way
everyone treated her she knew no one would believe her and she ran . Its called self
preservation. Then she got herself in too deep with the lies on top of leaving. Yes she
SHOULD have called police – but with Travis’ cheerleaders who would have believed her.
NO ONE like no one does now. With JM jumping all over her its no wonder she can’t
think straight. Travis’ life is over but hell so is hers. Even if she gets off she has to live
with this for the rest of her life.
I wish her lawyers would have done a better job prepping her for cross.
OK I am done – I could go on for hours but I am going to watch the end of this travisty and
then I need to get some sleep.
Laura I’m not gonna jump down your throat, but check this out. First off the way these proceedings are going is a big waste of time. She has already admitted to the killing. So there is no doubt to guilt in this matter, and as far as I can see the state has a right to punish her for that. What this trial SHOULD be about is was it self defense or not. Considering the injuries to the body and the lies she has (self admittedly) told, prosecutor Martinez’ line of questioning is perfectly correct. But he could accomplish the same thing with less time spent on irrelevant lies and less vehemence. At times he looks like a small child throwing a tantrum.She is guilty (by admission) so I have no personal love loss for her, but neither do I have it for those prosecuting her. The courts and the media in this country turn very serious social issues such as these into a circus for entertainment. Such a horrible disrespect to the defendant, her family, the victim and his family. It’s pretty sick. Enough said. Have a nice day all
thanks for your objective breath of fresh air in an otherwise stuffy court room
I love your post….it’s great what you say
Laura——I agree with many of your sentiments. The media is so biased that it has become obscene. It is sad because they have no interest in searching for the truth. Nancy Grace is a behavioral disgrace. Vinnie Politan is a full fledged nut. They would be pathetic thinkers on a jury. That is a frightening thought. I am shocked that the Prosecutor is allowed to behave as he does. Sadly I think we have a legal system but not neccessarily a justice system. While I recognize this is painful for Mr. Alexanders family, I am surprised that the Judge allows the one sister to roll her eyes constantly. Evidently the Prosecutor and family members may behave however they wish.
Been reading a few comments about the jury and their ages. I am age 69. I think my age helps Jodi’s trial. The past 50 years of my life have experienced love over and over and my heart can reach out in so many ways to Jodi. If I were a juror, my long earned wisdom as a woman can only be compassionate to step in the shoes of Jodi Arias. God will be good to Jodi and hopefully those seniors sitting in the Jury Box.
I agree we senor citizens have more experience at life and it’s pitfalls ‘if we can remember them’ sincerely, 63 and still trying to remember everything.
I am 40 and can totally relate to her……I have met SOOOOOOO many men just like Travis Alexander….I guess I had the benefit of true friends and a united family to help me see the errors of my ways…but at times it could have easily gotten to the place of no return…why is it so hard for people to understand that he treated her like shit and she kept going back…millions of women do it all over the world every day….who knows, maybe she just wanted acceptance, a circle of friends, love…not too much to ask for…she was just in the wrong place at the wrong time and with the wrong people in her life……In the end it was self preservation that led to so many lies…..it’s what we humans do, self preservation….which ultimately led to Travis’s death…it was obviously him or her….!!!! If all this was planned so meticulously……why do it in such a brutal fashion….why not make it clean and simple…..why go to all the trouble of getting gas in advance so as not to be connected to mesa and then phone him from her OWN mobile…why not usa a pay phone?????.nothing points to a premeditated murder….why have sex and photos before hand, why not do it when she first got there, why not do it when he was asleep….so many quesions will be left unanswered and am afraid they always will be…..but I can relate to her…it doesn’t make what she did right…but we all have our limits and those limits are different from person to person…..she didn’t plan it, and I know that she would take it all back in an instant if she could…..
It really is disgusting that our legal system allows prosecutors to behave so inhumanely. If they are decent, half way intelligent human beings they should be able to ask questions without being so demeaning and hostile. I am completely turned off by this jacktard. I cannot imagine anyone in that jury not feeling empathy for Jodi with the way he is attacking her. She’s already admitted she killed him, how many different ways can he pound on her for that??? He is annoying me beyond belief!!
Hey, look at it this way she survived the gauntlet without a flaw and the jury is watching
One thing about cases such as this, it helps discipline our thinking and better than working cross word puzzles and definitely more significant.
This was taken from a “secret support site” of Jodi’s on Facebook. One of the subscribers had been in the court room for several days and listed the age/race of each of the jurors. It’s quite interesting: Here is the breakdown in case you are interested. Juror #1 70s WM, #2 30s WF, #3 50s WF, #4 70s WM, #5 60s WM, #6 30s WM, #7 50s WM, #8 late 20’s Hisp M, #9 40s WF, #10 70s WM, #11 60s WM, #12 30s WM, #13 60s WF, #14 30s WF, #15 70s WM, #16 50s WF, #17 60s WM, #18 60s WF.
I thought there was a BM juror? maybe it is the Hispanic juror – don’t know for sure.
I thought so too, but this is what has been reported.
It will be interesting to see exactly what the jury member profiles are after the trial is over.
very interesting xxpunk, thanks for posting!
What does that mean to you? Sounds like a fair variety of ages. Anyway I part of the jury selection for three days but was not picked that is why I am so interested in this case. I was basically opposed to the death penalty except in very extreme cases which is probably why I was not picked. They screened everyone very carefully and both lawyers had a say in who they did pick. I think it was handled fairly and everyone picked had an open mind about all the aspects of the case.
Why does a support site need to be “secret”?
It was made “secret” due to all of the negative responses and posts left from Travis supporters when pages remain “public”. The administrator only allows people from other friends to join the group through request in order to eliminate anyone on there for the wrong reason. They only have approx 44 supporters and always look for people to join! The administrators link when searching Facebook is /Stacey.ensorfisher. I would suggest sending her an inbox message for the group request
how can we be part of the ‘secret’ facebook group? Here’s my FB https://www.facebook.com/Traceyandrewsmurphy…can you add me?
I would be interested too to be added if possible
https://www.facebook.com/verena.besse
This is not good – way too many old people who are likely not tech savye. They don’t understand how email works or digital cameras. They likely don’t have a lot of knowledge about domestic violence.
They would not understand nail parlors, cheap car rentals – and they would have not tolerance for sexual behavior.
So much for a ‘jury of her peers”. Where is the 20-age group representation?
BUT, it could work in her favor.. shes beautiful, and u know that one of the men on the jury at least is going to empathize with jodi and what she has been through.. if they are disgusted by the sexual aspect, then they should be disgusted with travis equally, if not more.. and as far as the technology, it could also work in jodis favor bc the prosecutor has spent hrs upon hrs hammering away at the texts and calls.. maybe they tuned out and have no interest in it which, imo, would be good bc i dont think the texts and phone calls are necessarily beneficial to her defense..
Simular thoughts came to my mind concerning the jurors .
There are many older white males & females. This can have both good and bad points. They most likely arent going to use social media as much or if at all so probably wont understand the constant messages, posting of photos or anything else common to how younger people use them.
Also when that generation was growing up their idea on what was respectable behavior for females was *very different. So how females behave now would be seen as, well for lack of a better term whore-ish. So
considering how Martinez has been painting out JA to be, I would be
concerned about the older jurors believing him.
Also that age group knows quite a bit about domestic violence. Most women
of that age group had no choice other than to put up with it as it was usually
a
one income household. DM was hidden even more so then and rarely spoke
of. So I think the older females will be a plus on that issue but the older males a minus.
I’m 60 and that is so not true. I think she will have a better chance with older jury The comments I’ve read from the 30 and 40 age people are so evil and mean.
I agree, not true. Am elder too.
It is not the sex that offends me, it’s the abuse.
Respectable behavior for a man, and moreover for a religious mentor, motivator, priest or what not, is certainly not to seduce, to pervert, to control, to degrade verbally and to use his converts or altar boys for sexual services, and moreover to manipulate the victim to believe he is the greatest guy on earth.
Did Travis get paid for converting Jodi?
How many other women was he religiously “motivating”?
She has a better chance with older women and men, especially women.
So many young men are so used to porn in which women are debased that they call it “normal sex”, and so many young women are trained from high-school to offer sex services to boys for free they might think of it as normal too.
I agree, I think the roles that have been given to Men & Woman in this sick culture is very detrimental to the mental health of many. Jane Velez states that many people engage in the sexual practices that Travis & Jodi did. I don’t agree with Jane but since she thinks this is normal we that speaks volumes about what type of person she is. The Un Natural relationship which existed between Travis & Jodi is what lead to this tragedy. Jodi obviously wanted to please him he used her abused her & to deny this is to deny our humanity. I do not condone the killing of Travis, but no one would plan to stab a person 29 times fear rage are the reasons why did she fear him. I believe he did get angry over the camera. The fact is that this is not a Death Penalty Case & I believe the prosecutor over reached. The media is so bent on killing her that they are now exposing how truly vile their motives are. Sexually Deviancy is Un-Healthy for many reasons, Violence and Hatred are part of that. Travis had no respect for woman or even God, His hypocrisy was not falling from grace it was intentional. he used sex to control her even one of his Mormon friends who supported him changed his mind due to Jodi Arias description of the Baptism he said she described it very accurately & he did believe that Travis engaged in these sexual acts right after the baptism. The fact that he was seen as a person who led her into the faith is enough for her to see him as a mentor and create confusion. This practice of his is known as LOVE BOMBING to recruit and control victims it is used in cults. If you read about LOVE BOMBING techniques you will see how manipulative these types of people can be.
Jane Velez-Mitchell is an idiot. The nature of the sex acts isn’t the point; it’s the fact the two were engaging in premarital sex AT ALL, in defiance of Mormon beliefs, is the issue. Travis risked his standing in the church because he was engaging in proscribed conduct, and hence this was the major reason why he kept his true relationship with Jodi a secret and falsely called her a stalker. It’s the fact Travis painted himself to his friends and family he was a 30-year-old virgin when he wasn’t anything of the kind. It is the hypocrisy that is the point.
JVM’s a moron.
I googled “what is a Love Bomb in Abuse” and oh boy, I think you hit it head on. This article is very insightful.
http://theabilitytolove.wordpress.com/2012/07/28/why-the-love-bombing-stage-is-the-most-dangerous-phase-of-the-psychopathic-bond/
I had never heard the term LOVE BOMBING but I know the pattern of these men.
If you know the nuances of this case the following excerpts from the website mentioned above is fascinating:
Love bombing is the most malicious and deceitful portion of the entire relationship. It is filled with charm, lies, mirroring, feigned affection and LOTS AND LOTS OF SEX. ALL of this is strategic, you’re targeted in this way to bring you into relationship with him/her and to do it quickly. This stage is EXTREMELY important for the psychopath because it determines to him how many boundaries you willingly allow him to violate and how good of a job he can do to get you deeply hooked into a relationship, so that when the abuse starts, you will stay. The better at love bombing the psychopath, narcissist is, the harder it will be for you to escape.
Survivors hang on for dear life at this stage. They believe that everything they are feeling and thinking that the psychopath is doing is REAL LOVE, when it is nothing but strategic manipulativeness, deception and filled with lies. The survivor believes his declarations of “soul mate” and often sex is used early and as a weapon to bond us more to him.
… Fortunately, many of us will get out, but there are so many more who will not, as they blindly and dependently hold onto the psychopath’s initial presentation with love bombing and feigned devotion. There is more to it than all the illusion that comes with this. Many of us are vulnerable when the psychopath happens on the scene. Many of us come from abuse backgrounds and psychopaths know it. Even loneliness can make you a target, but generally speaking there is more going on within us, that makes it open season for the psychopath to infiltrate our lives.
The better at love bombing the psychopath is, the harder it will be to let go. The harder the victims will work to get back to “that place” again with him, never understanding that it never existed to begin with. They endure more and more abuse for a chance to relive those first few weeks, months or years in the relationship. He counts on it. Many psychopaths that do this, will lead you up to the moment in which you wish for a commitment, only to turn around and leave the relationship, cheat or play the push/pull game with you, BUT, just as many psychopaths are also wish to race you to the altar so that he can then get from you what he wants, money, sex, trophy wife. A piece of paper with a psychopath on the speedway of love is NOT looking for a “commitment”. For the disordered, this word has no meaning.
SUZ LOVE BOMBING is real used in cults very popular with many LDS people, recruiting. A friend of mine was approached by a cult they are extremely friendly to recruit you. When you reject them they drop you like a hot potato. This should be brought up by the defense because it magnifies the problem. Listen to all his friends They are something out of a science fiction movie.
exactly carol i agree with you she will have a better chance with an older jury. its just that the older generation isnt like the younger bcuz the younger can be so mean.
If all of us seniors were conservative ostriches sticking our heads in the sands of silly inhibitions I would have to agree with you. But we are not all that naive to the realities of life. best to you young friend
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confabulation
I finally remembered to post this. I think it explains a lot. It’s often what dementia patients do, but it could apply to anyone with a memory impairment.
Confabulation is a memory disturbance that is characterized by verbal statements or actions that inaccurately describe history, background, and present situations.[1] Confabulation is considered “honest lying,” but is distinct from lying because there is typically no intent to deceive and the individual is unaware that their information is false.[2] Although individuals can present blatantly false information (“fantastic confabulation”), confabulatory information can also be coherent, internally consistent, and relatively normal.[2] Individuals who confabulate are generally very confident about their recollections, despite evidence contradicting its truthfulness.[3] The most known causes of confabulation are traumatic and acquired (e.g., aneurysm, edema) brain damage, and psychiatric or psychological disorders (e.g., schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, Alzheimer’s disease).
Two distinct types of confabulation are often distinguished: spontaneous and provoked.
Spontaneous, or primary, confabulations do not occur in response to a cue[4] and seem to be involuntary.[5] Spontaneous confabulation is also relatively rare and may result from the interaction between frontal lobe pathology and organic amnesia, and is more common in cases of dementia.[6]
Thanks Maggie. Very interesting.
This site is the only one I’m aware of where the people commenting are actually discussing the evidence, the testimony and how the defense and prosecution are presenting their case. I enjoy reading all the different points of view and many times I’ve thought “oh, I never looked at it that way.” Even when there are differing opinions everybody is civil and respectful of each other. We are critical thinkers and can see areas where Jodi could have done better. The pro-prosecution sites seem to be a lot of hateful, nasty and mean comments. They rarely if ever look at things objectively and anybody who has a different opinion is totally vilified. They allow themselves to be spoon fed how to think by HLN and In Session instead of looking at the evidence and the law. (Guilt beyond all reasonable doubt).
agreed, tina.. thats why i am so happy i found this site! i had the exact same experience with every other site… while we believe in jodi’s innocence at the core, we are still able to respectfully disagree about areas of the trial that some of us might perceive differently.. i know after reading other’s opinions, ive had the chance to look at many things in a different light..
yes,Tina you’re right.we are all grateful for this site and all the people here who are respectful and treat this whole matter as it is:looking at the evidence and watching this woman’s fight for her life and not a media circus as most other people out there seem to think.
I spent some time on the State vs Jodi FB site. At first I blasted them for being ignorant haters. But I was surprised to get some reasonable input. I told them (the truth) that I wanted to get a different viewpoint. It actually was helpful. But I also got vilified by a few people and told to leave by others. Finally a moderator told me I could stay but to be respectful to the Alexander family and stay on topic. I only posted one more time – to tell them about the lunch rules. They were ranting and raving how they didn’t believe it was true.
Yes Tina, this is the only site that we can talk about both sides. I have a tweeter account and I re-tweeted like 7 messages, a few to Nancy Grace which I am very disappointed of her by the way, and a few to JVM and Vinnie, but I didn’t get no response off course.
I went to the travis sit on facebook and said I did not think she should die for what she did to him and the hate message I got were over 30 they cursed me said bad words to me so I closed down what I typed so I wouldn’t have to read all the hate. They thing Travis is a saint and he did no wrong and I disagree with that he used her and then pushed her aside and not telling all his friends about them …. the religious do gooder’s all beleived he was selabet …. any woman getting sex as they described would make me a made woman. Just be carefull of what you say to the Travis lovers the are brutal…..
“Devil or angle whichever you are….” how many of us are old enough to remember those lyrics… sometimes age helps in these situations.
I love the clip, SJ! I have always thought there might be a very interesting twist to this defense strategy, and really hope this clip foreshadows what is to come. I can’t wait to see what else is in store, and I completely see even more vindication to come! GO TEAM JODI!!!!!
Jane Velez-Mitchell looks like Michael Jackson. Just a random observation.
Kira – another random thought I had this morning. I used to really think highly of Beth Karas a couple of years back. I felt she always very professional and ethical and found her very partial. But, I see her being toatlly opposite now. I hate to see this from her – always thought she was one of the best.
Ya know I had the same ‘thoughts’ about her and Jean too. I ‘think’ that secretly they know that JM has blown this case with his ‘irrelevant’ line of questioning but can’t say what they really want because they’re under ‘HLN contract’ which is VERY pro prosecution?
Imagine if Beth Karas and Juan Martinez got married – it’d be a Kermit-voiced household! LOL.
No! What a bad image to start the morning for me 😛
I just read this!!! Hahhaahaa what I funny thought!!! What about Martinez n NG??!! OMG I can see NG herself on the stand then!
I have also thought that JVM looks like Michael Jackson. Especially the nose. Do you think they had the same plastic surgeon? lol
Yes she changed I have noticed that too an also the older lady with kinda of reddish shoulder length hair I can ‘t think of her name? (Jane) she usually is not on track with all the others an a few days she disagreed with the panel an then wham she changes back to the other side? It is like they are afraid to go against the majority for fear of something?
After this many of the news commentators will be seen in a much different light
I hope so Michael.
they most certainly have for me, I only watch on computer feed now .It’s a double edged sword though, if we demand media coverage this is what you get, if we demand the trial be in a vacuum the possibility of this type of misconduct in the case sends many innocent to the death house, so whats to do ???
Another random observation…..
I always think of the Twilight movie series when they cut to Travis’ siblings, especially when the brother is there.
Oh my gosh I can see that now ! to weird ! haha
Jane Valez-Mitchell shows so much excitement as she is talking about this case!! As if she is enjoying it! People like that seems really scary! Don’t respect her or her views at all after seeing how she is reacting!
Part of the blood lust wolf pack that want the return of the Roman coliseums… what ever happen to, he that is without sin cast the first stone or innocent until proven guilty by an jury of pears. If they had their way she would be put to death for wearing a green top or dress on the witness stand… did any out there hear that yesterday on CNN affiliate coverage? what mentality work for CNN please come back Ted.
You have nailed it on the head. Our Bill of Rights is being flushed down the toilet in the name of “reality television” and “infotainment.”
These HLN shows like NG, JVM, and Drew Pinsky’s serve no real purpose in our society but instead are designed to incite a lynch mob mentality.
They not only test a defendant’s right to a fair trial, but they also sorely test the freedom of speech by abusing it.
It’s a double edged sword though, if we demand media coverage this is what you get, if we demand the trial be in a vacuum the possibility of this type of misconduct in the case sends many innocent to the death house, so whats to do ???
Soooo tired of hearing about these damn gas cans – I mean seriously she wanted to make SURE she didn’t run out of gas while driving in the middle of the DESERT!
Me too, I could see if they were at all connected to the case, but they are completely irrelevant!
If Jodi bothered to put the time and effort into getting the cans, and filling them up, for the purpose of remaining “incognito”, why would she keep receipts? What a desperate reach for the state. FAIL, again.
Also, The paying partly with cash and partly with a card is completely normal. If she had a limited amount of cash on hand, then splitting up the purchases is just ssssoooooo suspicious! Gosh, how embarrassing. The state should be just completely ashamed of this BS trial.
I do that all the time, around town or on a trip. Go back and forth between the debit card and cash. It’s so normal, not some great pre-meditation scheme.
Same here – I go between cash, american express, discover, visa – I don’t know why I do, but I just do.
Often I fill up and while filling up with credit, i’ll but my drinks inside with another credit card, or with cash.
or why trying to remaibn incognito as you say and turn the licence plates upside down HERSELF???which would lead to drawing attention when she supposedly didnt want that to happen!Martinez seems to be reeeeeally lost as to where he’s going with all that sometimes!
Lol! And it did just that. She did end up getting pulled over for it. I think at this point, It should be very clear to the jury that Jodi is too intelligent to have committed such a sloppy crime.
”sloppy crime” which according to Kermit was totally premeditated and certainly fits the DP,right??? god almight…
Right! And then the argument about how she didn’t keep any receipts that wouldn’t be considered a ‘tax write off’ for PPL? I wouldn’t have kept any irrelevant receipts either so as not to get them all mixed up with the others …
IDK
You know, when I go to a gas station, usually I don’t get a receipt unless I ask for one. Sometimes they ask, and I say no need, unless I have a particular reason for needing one.
And I’ve returned many items to Walmart, sometimes I’ve had to sign a slip for return, other times I haven’t. When I do sign I usually just scribble something as I don’t really feel it necessary for Walmart to have my signature. They usually ask me if I want the receipt back and I usually say no thanks, you can toss it. Nothing unusual there.
I only get a gas receipt when I use the debit card and need to keep track of my spending. If I pay in cash I’ve NEVER requested a receipt. No reason for the cash receipt.
If she took the gas cans so she wouldn’t have to stop for gas in AZ, why wouldn’t she just use cash to pay for the gas so there is no paper trail.
Exactly. JA is much too smart to leave a paper trail like she did. Even the dumbest of criminals would not have left a paper trail this obvious.
“if I was going to ever try to kill somebody, I would use gloves. I have plenty of them”
And I’m pretty sure the MOST gas stations nowadays are equipped with cameras both inside and outside the store. Its almost impossible to make your way across the country without leaving some evidence.
Agree Dog. The same with Wal-Mart. If the state really thought there was any merit to the receipts, they would surely have footage. There has been this type of footage presented in countless other cases. Funny how JM expects Jodi to have footage of everything she says in order for it to be believable, but he can’t show footage of Jodi at a gas station or Walmart?
He even has the receipts with exact times and dates, how hard would the footage be to find?
Just when you think its not possible, another FAIL!
I’d like to know when did the prosecutors start to look for the footage. Could not have been before they discovered Travis? Probably not until after they arrested Jodi mid July???
So, then the question is, how long are those gas stations and Walmarts known to keep their security tapes? If nothing of significance happens at these places, the tapes are taped over the following month or the following week.
I believe she said she was at an ARCO station….the ARCO near me has machines outside where you can put in the pump number and pay cash, then it issues a receipt. All of JM nit picking is so irrelevant and too tedious. RE: make up of jury…a good number of persons over 60. I am over 60 and am much more open minded and capable of more empathy now than when I was younger.
Hello! She did pay cash!
She did pay cash….she did not want to be caught on survelience camera in AZ is what I think JM is insinuating. I sincerely hope for her sake the Jury buys her version of events. I have been a paralegal for 13 years and one thing I have learned is a jury is unpredictable. As I understand it, she tried to get a plea deal for murder 2 and avoid a trial, and the pros said No way. Since it is too prejudicial for them to know that, they could think she made up this story to save her a$$ and be really hard on her for what they preceive as dragging the victim through the mud. I am not saying that is what I believe, but I am allowed to know she did attempt to get a plea deal to avoid trial and save the TA family from further pain and embarrassement, the jury isnt. I find this particularly disturbing and it seems that JM wanted Blood and nothing less, and was determined to try this case in the court of public opinion. I am crossing my fingers for this poor girl. I see she tried to do the right thing…and the people who matter most will never even know.
If she was trying to be so secretive why keep any of the receipts at all?? If I was going out to commit a crime I would keep anything to do with it. The prosecution is just reaching for anything they can.
Truly ridiculous I agree. If Jodi were in her right mind, she would have tossed the receipts in this ‘elaborate cover up’. On the receipts she never bought hair dye either. Could you find a receipt reflecting that? I think there was a Walmart receipt where she bought facial cleaner and two items that were not noted on the receipt except by skew numbers. People searched the numbers and failed to produce proof she purchased hair dye. Nevertheless, the media stated she bought hair dye for months! People still think she dyed her hair on the road even with the pics showing her hair was dyed weeks before! When evidence such as the photos are produced, I have to ask myself what are people thinking when they still argue she dyed her hair! Is it a refusal to accept anything the the defense proves? Same with this idea that Jodi is seductress and that k-y jelly ‘proves” she was the leader of their sex??
I would gander that even women in healthy relationships have mutual sex at times to please their husbands while pretending to enjoy it. The reason this happens is that women do not want to hurt their husbands’ feelings or let them down. I know this happens because me and my female friends talk.
So when we see this happening in an unhealthy relationship, it’s very reasonable to conclude Jodi pretended to enjoy certain things that left her feeling used. People argue she never told Travis how she felt. My question is, did travis ever ask? So far, there has no evidence to prove that Travis actually cared how Jodi felt about their sex enough to ask. He brags that she is is sex slave. “I raped you when you were miserable”. Yes let’s NOT forget the sex tapes the haters point out as evidence the relationship was mutual because that tape substantiates Jodi’s story of abuse. If people want to argue that travis and Jodi were into BDSM, well where was the contract? The contract is a big part of that lifestyle yet nothing of that nature has been produced by the prosecution.
When Martinez argued that a blow job is a blow job ( his words not mine) Jodi was correct in saying the context was different between the two events. She did not know his fantasy included him coldly leaving with a candy bar as payment?!
Further, Travis saying Jodi was his ‘kryptonite’ has been used to further the state’s theory when I think it further’s the defense’s theory in that he objectified jodi using that metaphor. Jodi (kryptonite) made him feel powerful, not powerless and that imbalance of power is what made the entire relationship abusive.
While many are lamenting that the final days of cross examination exposed jodi, I saw many openings where Martinez set things up perfectly for the defense DV expert witness. He was Nurmi’s third chair in that regard. Many times Martinez grilled Jodi about whether she had a choice to leave the relationship to which she answered yes. The choice he’s talking about is an illusion in an abusive relationship. Can you imagine what he will say on cross to this experienced expert? Martinez gave her so many openings the expert can now drive a 18 wheeler through his notions and Jodi’s experience will be validated leaving the jury no choice but to believe she was abused therefore, could have been in imminent danger on June 4th, 2008. She will show his attack wasn’t really about her dropping the camera, but instead, travis’ own abuse issues.
edit: 18 wheeler, not 17 LOL
In addition,
Hater’s who say things such as, ‘Jodi could have chosen to run out of the house’ that day but instead killed him fail to see the flaw in their own logic. When Jodi was running toward to closet to get the gun, could Travis have chosen to run downstairs and out of the house? Yes.
She also rented a Ford Focus. Those tanks are awfully small – 13 gallons I believe. Probably a 350 max range.
Does someone know if she drove via I-5 down to LA and over to Phoenix? Or US-95 through the NV desert?
Jake – there is a good map of the route she drove during her trip on HLN website.
OK, thanks!
Are you talking about taking 395 north about 150 miles to 95 and then back south through vegas? I suppose if you start out with the premise of needing the cans to make it through the desert, then by all means.
Also – not many gas stations if I recall from LA to Phoenix – and you can’t get there on 1 tank of gas in a Focus. Even if you could, you would definitely go below a half tank. Maybe she didn’t feel like going below the half mark? Some people don’t.
Haha I make the trip from Cali to Phoenix many times a year. There are MANY gas stops along the way. She has driven this route many times before while visiting Travis in the past. She knew there were gas stations along the way.
I know Sunny.
On the 390 mile journey from LA to Mesa …
Palm Springs, CA is 100 miles from LA with a population of almost 50,000.
Indio, CA is 127 miles from LA with a population of almost 80,000.
Blythe, CA is about 180 miles from Mesa, AZ with a population of 22,000.
Quartzite, AZ is 145 miles to Mesa and has a population of almost 5,000.
If none of these places has a gas station, I’m selling my baseball cards, buying a gas station, and becoming the richest gas station owner in the world. I’ll have a sign out front: “Kick the Can-buy from the gas man”
There is a lot of lonely road in Nevada and Utah.
Lonely roads may be true … but where are her gas purchases in AZ? It’s all fine and good to say that she got the gas cans for the lonely roads of Nevada and Utah, but then to use them en route to Mesa supports the prosecution not your lonely desert club theory. I know I know, maybe she didn’t want to stop for gas. Maybe she has an aversion to gas stations in AZ. Maybe it’s too hot in AZ to fill up, blah blah blah.
Flagstaff, AZ to Page, AZ 134 miles
Page, AZ to Kanab, UT 75 miles
Kanab to Panguitch 67 miles
Panguitch to Beaver 47 miles
Beaver to Nephi 115
Nephi to West Jordon 73
West Jordon to Wendover 128 miles
Wendover to Elko, NV 109 miles
Elko to Battle Mountain 70 miles
Battle Mountain to Winnemucca, NV 53
Winnemucca to Sparks 162 miles
Sparks to Redding, CA 198 miles
And there’s actually towns in between the ones I mentioned.
I know I know, the loneliness is almost overwhelming
OK, it’s been a while since I made that drive 😛
according to the receipt evidence she was only getting at most 15 mils per gal on a car that should get over 30. I would have carried extra gas myself. this indicated a possible leak in the gas tank.
You realize that she asked her friend for the gas cans before she rented the car, right? Or are you now going to tell me she researched this vehicle she was going to rent, and knew that although most models of that car average around 30, she found out this one only averaged 15?
Also, are you talking about the Arco receipts on June 3rd?
exhibit 237.001
June 3, 2008 8:42 PM
ARCO #5125 3706 E. Foothill Blvd Pasadena, CA 92553
8.301 gallons PUMP #2
exhibit 237.012
June 3, 2008 8:46 PM
ARCO #5125 3706 E. Foothill Blvd Pasadena, CA 91107
9.59 gallons REGISTER #2, CLERK 2525
Sale No. 297541
exhibit 237.013
June 3, 2008 8:54:52 PM
ARCO #5125 3706 E. Foothill Blvd Pasadena, CA 91107
2.77 gallons REGISTER #2, CLERK 2525
Sale No. 297549
I wasn’t aware that cans came before trip started and it was my understanding that the trip from tank fill from Pasadena to next fill of 12 gals was only about 170 miles. please correct me if I’m wrong on this THANK YOU
I thought Derryl testified she was in a white car????
Why is the zip code different from the other two on the first 8:42pm gas pump receipt? The street address is the same.
according to DA’s observation of the gas receipts for the car Jodi had rented show it was only getting no more than 12 miles to a gallon of gas. 172 miles on 12 gal which is about half of what should be expected on a small compact car like this.
I just turned to “In Secession”, beause I needed a good laugh, and I definitely got one. The headline reads: ” Jodi Arias: Credibility beyond repair?”
LLLooooollllllll Hee hee teee heee! OMG! Really?
It should read, “Juan Martinez: Will he still have a job after this stunt?”
Wow, that’s what they are saying….
License plate upside down would draw attention from cops to stop you that’s insane he is trying to say she did it for other reasons. Stupid
Why would she do it, you are right?
I’ve never heard of this practical joke before. Is it common? I worked in rental cars for over 12 years and never came across an upside down plate. (I have come across missing plates though).
I find this whole episode to be very strange. I have never, ever, ever heard of something like this happening to anyone. There is no logical explanation for it, no matter how you look at it.
It doesn’t make any sense at all for Jodi to have done it. Even if she had taken off her own plates to be somewhat incognito, and somehow, in her post-killing state of mind, put the back one on upside-down, how did she end up with a third, unrelated plate on the front? (That is what happened, right?)
But it also doesn’t make any sense for some random kids to have done it. Why? I’ve never heard of anyone doing this, for any reason.
I’m very perplexed by this whole thing.
The theory is that she removed the plates while parked at Travis’s so no one would recognize the California plates. After the murder she drives away parks somewhere and quickly put the plate back on. Because she has just committed such a heinous crime and is probably shaken she accidentally put the plate back on upside down.
I’m not 100% sure, but I thought it was that she was stopped by a Utah official. She had the back plate on upside down, and the front plate wasn’t on (she’d put it was inside the car).
I thought Martinez is trying to say she messed with both plated because she WANTED to be stopped. She WANTED an official document as proof that she was nowhere near Mesa during the time.
Do I have it wrong?
smart enough to get an unattractive car! but attract attention with an upside down plate?
I’ve heard of it and if you’ll not tell anyone we even switched motor plug wires so that car wouldn’t start
I just had a thought ! while she was parked at Travis’s house whoever hated her so much as being in his lovely Mormon friends maybe one stopped by that day an thought that would be funny ………….or one of the weird strange roommates even ?
Good thought Rhonda. They ALL hated her so much, I believe they would do anything.
I have often wondered if after she shot him, they did the cutting and slicing, becasue they hated her so much. I know its a stretch, but the roommates are highly suspicious wierdos, and the friends are just hateful and evil.
Then again… is it a stretch?
I’ve thought the same.
There is something WRONG with this whole picture.
When did the roommates get home? Were they there in the house with him for days?? What happened to the dog he wasn’t whining outside Travis’ door? Kind of strange they were all out of the house for 5 days and no one was called to sit Napoleon? That seems kind of strange to me.
I agree – the roommate issue does not make sense. The dog would have been going crazy over the smell, and they say he loved Travis – it would have been barking and pacing non stop.
Travis led a dual life, perhaps his roommates did as well.
Again – he had a new roommate that Jodi could not have predicted when or if he would show up. No way was this premeditated.
JM tried to suggest that since Jodi said she still loved Travis but “just in a different way”, as apposed to being still “In love”, she only went there for sex. OMG! The desperation is just ridiculous at this point.
What about all the other people she visited?
And if she did go for sex that doesn’t mean she went to kill him.
So last night I tuned in to watch Dr. Drew (omg why did I do that?) Anyways it was on the many faces of Jodi Arias. They think the longer she’s on stand the worse it’s going to get for her because according to them Mtz cornered her in every direction. NOT REALLY…it’s more of a bully front than anyting in his part. Jodi has done a great job and kept her composure answering questions as best she can. She handles Mtz very well and he knows she’s stomped on his feathers hahahaha. Mtz is ready to have his mental breakdown HAHAHAHAHA.
Martinez is losing credibility the more this goes on than the other way around
seriously this is dragging. I mean supposedly the state has so much evidence and they are asking her about trivial stuff. If you do not think any of her defense is true then do one or things to try to discredit then drive home the physical evidence. Martinez needs to realize Jodi can stay right there with him on questioning she is not going to crack. His only real option is to drive home the fact that she admitted to killing Travis. That should have taken about a day and then we could move on. I want to see the experts!
I can not understand for the life of me how anyone could say, with a straight face, that JM has been effective at anytime, in any way during this joke of a “cross examination”.
credibility is in the eyes of the beholder and it makes one wonder who be holding him
I was thinking last night… if I came out of a store, and as I was pulling away I saw a license plate, and if I got out and saw my front plate was missing, I would NOT run around to the back of my car and compare the two plates. I would assume the plate was mine (what are the chances that someone else left a plate, at the same time I was missing mine) —
I would throw it in the car and get the hell out of there.
I really wish he would stop beating a dead horse.
Then again, I think it does help Jodi, so maybe it is okay he is rambling beyond comprehension.
Trying to think through the messed up license plates logically…
As I understand it, JA ended up with two license plates that did not match each other on her rental car. (I do not know if those two plates were both CA license plates.)
As I understand the facts: One of the plates was inside the car on the floor by the front passenger seat. On or near the front bumper of the car, the plate was missing. The rear of the car had a plate fixed to it but it did not match the plate that was on the floor by the front seat, and that rear plate was affixed to the car in an upside down position, at some point. (I believe she was pulled over for that.)
The plate that was turned upside down: One might consider whether the characters on the plate included the letters “H” “I” “L”, “M”, “O”,”X”; even “Q”, and if some of the #’s were 1,6,7,8,9 or 0 because any worker could inadvertently attach such a plate in an upside down position after maintenance if the person were in a hurry, i.e. having a whole fleet of cars to take care of especially if the rental place were understaffed as some are nowadays.
So, first, I wonder this: If a driver wanted to “fly under the radar”, by removing the front plate, why would that individual then retain the plate, keeping it inside the passenger compartment of the vehicle? Why not toss it? At the very least, wouldn’t such an individual put it in the trunk? If it were a rental car, couldn’t that driver claim that they never noticed whether there was a front plate on the car – at least, when they began to drive it – and get rid of it?
In an innocent scenario, if a person were NOT attempting to conceal their movements, the plate, if it fell off the car or became loose, could be taken off the front of the car and placed by the front windshield on the dashboard, but that is not a safe thing to do, especially when driving at a high speed because any swerve could send it flying into a passenger’s face if there were no way to secure it on the dash. The innocent move would be to put it on the floor of the front part of the passenger compartment so it would be at the ready if one were pulled over.
But here is the most significant fact of the license plate issue: They do not match. Two different I.D.s. So, where would a mismatched plate come from? How could you end up with both 1) a mis-matched plate & 2) an upside down plate?
1) A mis-matched plate would not likely have been on the rental car in the first place. 2) There has been some tampering and/or a mistake has been made in affixing the rear plate but by whom?
If one had created an elaborate scheme whereby a phony (stolen) plate would substitute for the real one for a period of time, and then the real plate were to be re-affixed later but was done hastily and ended up upside down, why wouldn’t one toss out the “fake” one after the real plate was re-affixed, whether or not the schemer was aware that the real one was re-attached in a faulty manner? I find it very, very difficult to believe that, having knowingly placed the “fake” plate on the front floor of the car, Jodi then returned the vehicle to the agency forgetting about the “fake” front plate that had stood in for, (or was meant to stand in for) the real one at some point during a “premeditated” homicide. She had to remove all of her personal items from the car before returning it. The front of the car, on the floor, where the plate was, is also where most women keep their purse when driving. But again, if it is an illegal plate and you know that because you stole it from another car, why keep it anywhere in the vehicle when returning the car to the agency?
Jodi said that when she saw a gleaming object in front of her car (remember, she is on a road trip so there is no room for error; in those circumstances, when you think you might have dropped something, you take no chance and check it out just in case) she got out of the car, realized that it was a license plate on the ground near the front of her car, picked up the plate and saw that her car had no front plate on it. It is now dark out so she doesn’t linger in the parking lot. She puts the plate in the car and drives away. Why linger when one has good reason to believe that miscreants are at large?
Jodi testified that she remembered some kids were snickering while leaving the parking lot near her car as she was returning to the vehicle from Starbuck’s. So two things do support that story of snickering kids: 1) The fact that the rear plate was discovered to have been tampered with at some point – and 2) the plate that she recovered was the wrong one. Both of these facts are consistent with prank behavior. They suggest, without stretching one’s imagination, that whoever had tampered with her vehicle had tampered with more than one vehicle. When she picked up the erroneous plate, it likely came from a second car in the same parking lot that had also been tampered with. She said she found it near the front of her car but not directly in front of it.
If she had removed the front plate herself – the plate that would have been on the car when she rented it – it should have matched the rear plate, which is apparently the correct I.D., right?
There may have been more than one plate lying in the parking lot area that, in the dark, Jodi did not see, and in that moment there was no reason at all for her to scout around for another, since it was obvious that her car lacked a front plate. If you’ve just been pranked and it is dark out, why walk around the car to compare the numbers? She could easily have been frightened and just got in the car so she could get away from that area.
Even if you do not fully accept that Jodi innocently picked up the wrong plate we can ask ourselves the following questions because every license plate is traceable:
1) What was the rightful vehicle for the errant front license plate?
2) Was that errant plate ever returned to the vehicle it was registered to?
3) Was that vehicle in Pasadena on that date, in or near that parking lot?
4) Was the driver/owner of that vehicle ever questioned about the loss of the plate and events connected to the missing plate?
5) Did the second car/its driver end up with an upside down plate, or the plate of Jodi’s rental car?
6) Did someone (maybe a teenager) in the Starbuck’s parking lot find the actual plate to Jodi’s rental car on the ground and take it home in a “what the heck, I’ll keep it” moment? Is it now on someone’s bedroom door or garage wall as part of a collection?
7) Or was the license plate that was missing from Jodi’s rental car taken to the police, the DMV, or dropped into a post office box?
8) Was the erroneous plate actually the I.D. of another rental car from the same agency?
It is is possible the “tampering” by kids, i.e. the front plate removal and/or plate turning follows a series of mistakes made in haste at a car rental company, but not probable. Was any employee reprimanded for mixing up and/or turning plates at that particular agency?
If there was no prank scenario and the mismatched plates are attributable to the car rental agency alone, and if Jodi at some point noticed that there were two different plates on her car, looked at the paperwork and then decided to ride with a single plate, utilizing the false one for only a crucial period of time, why wouldn’t she just put the erroneous one back on the front of the car right before she returned it and act as if she never noticed it – or toss it? (Remember, by the time she returned the car she was trying to appear innocent, but she did nothing at that time to conceal the incorrect plate.) If the errant plate was an honest agency mistake that she took advantage of, why not just toss it if it was utilized for nefarious purposes? If it had been an error in the first place that it was ever attached to the car at the rental agency, she could have used it temporarily on the rear of the car and later thrown it out and no one would have been the wiser.
As for the no-kid-prank scenario in the above paragraph: if she were canny enough to notice the mistake in car I.D.s and then used it to her advantage by affixing the wrong one to the rear of the car for a period of time while keeping the correct one inside the car, why wouldn’t she have been swift enough to realize that she’d re-affixed the rear plate upside down? After re-affixing the rear plate using the correct one, even if it is upside down, one would now want to keep the “fake” plate in the trunk, if keeping it at all. If there is that degree of license plate manipulation going on prior to and after going to AZ, it makes no sense that she would not see the error when re-affixing the rear plate. She takes photos and draws likenesses. People with those skills tend to make good proof readers when and if something matters to them.
In summary: If she stole the incorrect (front) plate, why return it with the car to the agency, whether or not she ever actually used it externally on the car? If, alternatively, it was just an honest mistake that she took advantage of because she noticed that the front and rear plates happened not to match, why would she not notice that she was putting the rear plate back on incorrectly (after substituting the real one for the wrong one on the rear for a convenient length of time) after having seen what the numbers were when noticing that they did not match in the first place?
If you have ruled out the possibility that Jodi stole a plate and then returned the car with the stolen plate in it – in the front of the car no less – and if you’ve ruled out the possibility of pranking by kids, what is the likelihood that a person who is planning a murder ends up renting a car equipped with two different plates, notices it, and decides to hatch a plan then and there to use the incorrect plate to their advantage – a plan that involves driving with only one plate for a period of time – after which there is absolutely no similarly crafty cover-up or follow-through?
Far more likely than the scenario of Jodi taking advantage of a license plate that was attached in error by the agency (or a scenario in which she steals it from another car and leaves it in the rental car at the agency later) and further messing up by re-attaching the correct one incorrectly later (artists are not so likely to make a mistake like that – look at her handwriting)….far more likely is the prankster scenario wherein kids are competing with each other for the most ridiculous-looking joke on a driver. After turning a few plates upside down, it’s quite possible one prankster would want to top another by switching plates altogether – from one car to another. But they might have run out of time….
I don’t know if it is possible that the car Jodi rented did not have a front plate when she rented it and that maybe that is legal. But if it didn’t have a plate, it is possible that the one she picked up was dropped by kids after they had turned her rear plate upside down. Maybe the plate Jodi found was abandoned when the kids saw her coming and they started walking away, not finishing the upside down prank on another vehicle nearby.
If Jodi had wanted to have it documented that she was in UT at a certain time, she did not need to prove she was in UT and not AZ by having a skewed plate and trying to get pulled over. As she stated in testimony, tickets are expensive and she tries to avoid them by taking sensible precautions. All she would have had to do to after she decided to cover up her presence in AZ and establish location elsewhere would have been to buy something with a credit card if her phone was not working or she didn’t want to use it.
It is possible that the rental agency made mistakes with both of the license plates and that since Jodi had not deviously planned to tamper with either of them, she simply put the front plate back in the car after she found it on the ground and never looked at it or the rear plate until she was pulled over for the upside down one.
It is conceivable that that driver/owner of the second vehicle – if a privately owned one – (the one to whom the erroneous plate belongs if it is not another rental vehicle) is not following the trial; most folks I know are not.
All of this speculation came to me when I stopped thinking about gas cans and realized what some of the implications were of two different plates being found with Jodi’s rental car. If they in fact did not match, that gives weight to her claim that the rear plate was pranked.
Lol! JM made a point to point out that in the sex photos the KY is in the picture. “The same KY that YOU introduced him to” LOL! Evil Jodi and her controlling, manipulative, KY JELLY! Guilty on all counts of KY jelly introductions!
KY isn’t even the best …
Seriously EVERYONE KNOWS ITS ALL ABOUT THE ASTROGLIDE
Nah, “Wet”. Astroglide a close second …
LOL! I didn’t know possession of KY was illegal in the state of Arizona!
I expect that JM will be slamming autopsy photos down left and right today. Hope he told Travis’ family in advance this time so that they can leave if they want to.
i am sure the jurors and spectators will be kept awake when Juan Martinez shows those crime scene photos and autopsy photos in an attempt to rattle Jodi.
I fully expect Martinez will hit on the actual murder today.
Do you think today will be his last cross-exam with jodi?
I expect today will be the last day of cross. He’s going to drag it out until the 4:30 hour when court will then be adjourned for the weekend and the jurors are left to stew over the autopsy photos.
Yes Kira, You are probably right. Especially now that JM is completely desperate. He is most likely going to stoop to “guilting” the jury into a conviction. Yes the photo’s are awful, and many will argue that, “no one deserves to die that way”. I have a problem with that statement. Did Jodi deserve to die instead?
She does now.
I agree with that too. It would be different if it was a child molester that murders children after abusing them or a serial killer even that tortures people. But this is a self defense case. No one on the other side wants to believe Travis attacked her? this woman has no previous outbursts with other men of being a fanatic that goes bizarre from time to time. Most people would have something in the past. An as far as Travis there are women out there that know he is a PIG but they are too ashamed to bring it out. I imagine his own sisters have seen the side of him that is not so nice but it is more important for them to stand by him an say he was a great man with no faults ever. They want DEATH for Jodi no matter what happened they want DEATH an watch it happen they have stated that on blogs.
I agree with you, Kmiller. She does not deserve to die, she doesn’t even deserve to be in prison. She is lucky she got out of that house alive!
I was thinking last night about the license plate. I ABSOLUTELY believe Jodi about what happened.
First, she was VERY detailed about the bugs on the front of her car, no bugs where the license plate had been, and bugs on the actual license plate.
Even if you were the BEST liar in the world, that kind of detail would NOT be something a person who focus on.
IMHO, this had to have happened just as Jodi stated.
Also, what a dork JM is. When I go to Starbucks, I ALWAYS have the same type of coffee. I even brought this up to a friend who is not watching the trial. She said the same thing – she always gets the same drink at Starbucks.
Hellllloooooo JM, remembering what a person orders at Starbucks is NOT a strange thing. It’s HABIT!! DUH!!!
I always order the same thing at Starbucks. It’s like having a favorite soda.
My husband and I both always order the same thing the only thing that wavers is hot or frozen.
I have ordered a caramel macchiato every time I’ve been to Starbucks, and that is MANY times.
I always get a mocha.
Always a chai tea latte with shot of vanilla
I was kinda bothered about the whole missing rope testimony. Wondering how the jury will process this. Any thoughts?
I agree with you. She said in Direct that she took it with her. I just find that odd that she would have thought to take that with her. not just the rope they used but the extra piece that was cut off. They surely wouldn’t have been together.
Wouldn’t she have considered the rope to be just like the gun and knife – incriminating to her? Therefore, she would have taken it? Of course, we still have the nagging question of why she left the camera.
Agreed!
I don’t think she meant to leave the camera when the sheets got put in the washer the camera some how fell in there too or was wrapped up in the sheets an she forgot about it while in the heat of the moment to get the hell out of there.
leaving camera was not intentional she inadvertently gathered it with bloody cloths and put in washer and spent the next 2 hrs looking for it but finally left without it after not finding it.
The missing rope bothers me, too. She says she took it with her, but there doesn’t seem to be any evidence that a rope was cut and used in the bedroom. There was a rope-like fibre found on the stair, but nothing else, as far as I can remember.
What are your thoughts, Dynamo?
Unfortunately, IMHO I think this may be a hole in the defense at the moment. Hopefully Nurmi on redirect will touch on this.
Yes, I agree.
Did Martinez take issue with this during his cross when she brought up the gun in the closet:
I don’t know if it’s accurate, but it is supposedly from the recorded phone call between Detective Flores and Arias from their very first talk on June 11, 2008, where they discuss whether Travis had a gun:
JA: “Um, I know you can’t talk about this, um….but was there any type of weapon used? Or…Was there a gun, or…”
Det. Flores: “I can’t say what type of weapon was used but I’m guessing there was a weapon used by the type of injuries that were left behind. Do you know of him having any weapons at all in the house?”
JA: “Just his 2 fists, really *haha*”
Det. Flores: “No handguns? Or rifles? Or — ”
JA: “No, he wasn’t one to keep any of that.”
Det. Flores: “No 5-9’s or anything like that?”
JA: “No, he was more into things like wrestling, UFC, things like that…”
There is a picture of Jodi laying naked sprawled on the bed both arms straight out…. it is cut off at the elbows. I am thinking that picture showed the ropes at one time but was cut so that the ropes would no longer be seen, the legs are cut off also.
Another thought as well that will probably come up in today’s testimony. Does anyone know if the police forensics compared bullets from Jodi’s Grandfather’s house with the casing found at the murder scene?
Good point!!!!
On the other hand, lack of this evidence does not help the prosecution either.
Do you mean bullets and casings that have never been fired? I think the casings are too generic for that to be made. If, however, like someone else mentioned on this blog, the grandparents had shot the gun into a target or tree or something, and still had those bullets, then ballistics could compare the two.
I’ve said it before, Jodi could prove it wasn’t premeditation by getting hypnotized, and retracing her drive route, and by remembering the approximate location of where she ditched the gun. Then 1000+ volunteers and supporters with metal detectors and high tech gadgets could comb the area and produce the gun which the grandparents would then testify as not being theirs. Why aren’t they trying that?
they would have to find the stolen gun to match ballistics with the casing on the bathroom floor not the one thrown in the desert by Jodi.
I’m curious what everyone thinks about the secret messages that she is accused of writing to her ex boyfriend via the magazines that were seized by the prison guards?
It seems to me it was just a vice to cause the jury to speculate as to what that all MUST have been about. I think if it was to amount to anything of any real substance, JM would have called it out many times over by now.
Nurmi gets to follow up with Jodi after this right? If he does, he would talk about the magazine writing, and there’s no way Martinez would allow Nurmi to be the one to expose that it was not her handwriting, or was of little value. Martinez would have to be the one to introduce that now in order to reduce it’s impact later. What do you think?
I personally find the magazine articles damning. They illustrate an attempt to manipulate the proceedings, which IMO the jury could be very offended by. I know the defense has already complained about the makeup of the jury and potential jurors that favored the defendent where unjustly dismissed. However, the judge ruled their dismissal was justified, so I am speculating they are likely older and more no nonsense than a younger jury would be. However, that is purely conjecture on my part.
The more I think about the timing the more red flags I get. Everything happened so quickly. Also, it appears that after he was dead she drug him to the shower and washed him off. The police report also said there was a clear plastic cup in the shower. Why would she take the time to do this. Also, after looking at the crime scene photos it looks like parts of the walls were wiped off. There really isn’t any significance of blood on the floor in the bathroom hall either. You would think the CSI’s would have been able to find a shoe print or something. She then thought to lock and close the bedroom door, put stuff in the washer and start it up and put up the dog gate to the stairs. All while the roommates could have shown up at any time. I also think that going through all of that she would have had so much blood on her. She would have dripped blood through the house, there would be blood in the rental car etc. She would not have been able to clean herself up using water from water bottles. Someone else was in that house. Someone who took the time to clean and wasn’t worried about being caught by someone coming home.
I believe this as well but why at this point is she not saying anything… after 5 years??
I think she is covering for someone or was threatened by someone. Maybe Mormon releated??
I have that feeling too. Still bothers me 2 roommates in the house on an off for 5 days an did not smell anything? but when the friends came finally they could smell it right away. That makes no sense.
I’d rather take my chance with the mormon mafia than 25 years in the prison system.
I thought about that also especially the Blood atonement thing.They could have just killed her also no evidence other then her they say Forensic.
Speaking of the rental car, have we heard if the police seized the rental car to look for evidence?
Seize it in 2008 or recently?
im having the exact same doubts scrappydoo.she must have tons of time to do all that while on the lookout for his roomates coming back??makes no sense!plus,as you said it makes even less sense that she said she just rinsed herself off with some bottl water in her car,i mean wtf?that place was full of blood and she only had some blood on her hands and feet i think?as for the plastic cup with barely any blood on it in thebathroom it surely makes one wonder but I think only because it was mentioned in Florez’ police report,otherwise it seems pretty trivial.
i had just assumed they both were naked. was it ever brought up that after sex, she got dressed and he went naked to the showers?
She admitted on the stand that she was dressed and threw a way the clothes.
“There really isn’t any significance of blood on the floor in the bathroom hall either” could you please explain this statement or surly you don’t mean as it sound that there is not a significant amount of blood in the hall.
Did anyone see Travis friend on Nancy grace last night
She was on Dr. Drew the previous night and said she was at
Dinner with Jodi and Travis had a bad feeling took Travis to the
Women’s bathroom and told him she has seen darkness around him
And to be careful but she also sees angles and light
Around him
Well last night on Nancy grace she said she thinks
Jodi is a witch and may have put Travis under a spell
Ha! What a quack!
OHHHHHH lord!!! Ok, that is just ridiculous!!
Oh wow….. hard to imagine why she was not the state’s star witness….
No kidding huh lol
That Nancy, she’s a card! But then again, if anyone would know anything about witches, it would be her!
These HLN shows are no better than Jerry Springer.
What a bunch of garbage. Who is going to believe that swill some five years later?
OMG are you talking about the moron who could barely speak English who stated in her opinion TA was under a spell and JA was a practicing witch? If so, I had to change the channel when I heard that BS, I was like what is the world coming to am I watching the Jodi Arias trial, or the Joan of Arc trial? SOFA KING stupid
So much of this case really is a witch hunt. Travis’ friends have gone on television to try to say that Jodi had no soul, her eyes were dead, and that she had a “funky energy.” This is almost verbatim the same attitude the Inquisition had against women in the middle ages. Nancy Grace wanted to hang her right there. It’s hard to believe people are so damn backwards, even in the age of the Internet you’d think ignorance would be a thing of the past. Not so…
Martinez and Flores were absolutely conned by Travis’s friends, who in turn were absolutely conned by Travis.
It’s obvious of course that the whole notion she would travel 1,000 miles to confront Travis AFTER she moved away to get away from the relationship was stupid on its face.
It’s the modern day version of The Scarlett Letter all over again.
WOW I agree that made me angry ! If anything in most photos of them both Jodi looks lively an happy. But Travis looks empty an blank to me only a few photos show him with a genuine smile. But a lot of men are like that in photos try to look all serious an the tough guy look. I am surprised he would even like photos of them together since he was so odd about them being together in front of friends much. I wonder if he was the type of guy to have PHOTOS of himself around his place alone photos. Like look at me.
Yes, salivating and titillated witch burning hooters and hyenas all.
her real name is Nancy dis Grace
“BOMB SHELL TONIGHT: IS JODI ARIAS REALLY A WITCH?!” lol :X
I like how Vinnie thinks JA is melting on the stand
Vinnie is a tool. I can’t stand him.
Maybe he believe the lady from Dr Drew and NG and thinks Jodi is the witch from OZ. Hahaha
Annie That;s it and Martinez is Mayor of Munchkin City
Urgggg…..Jodie looks pale this morning. Hope she can hold up today.
She looks extremely sad, but then again if this is the day he goes over the night of the killing she would be sad
she already ooks miserable and drained,poor thing…good luck Jodi dear!
Fox News panel of prosecutors saying now that JM is most likely being seen as offensive to jurors and that arguing over semantics of words like some or most is not effective with jurors.
Thank god one network is reporting things differently than HLN.
It is probably the first time on Fox News someone spoke the truth.
most likely NOT
After each day in court, no doubt, Jodi is able to confer with her defense team who I’m sure are directing her on how to act and appear: either to tone it down or to turn it up.
I doubt she’s going rogue.
The panel said “It is the prosecutor’s case to lose not JA’s to win”. He is over doing the lying when she had already admitted to this. That JM’s tactics will most likely have some jurors feeling sympathetic.
Wow!!! Thats great, jodie!!! Its true!! I wonder why Martinez is doing this!
It makes one wonder if he isn’t deliberately throwing this case realizing he was a fool for even believing Travis’s friends nonsense about the “obsessive stalker” and knowing he grossly overcharged it.
That brief thought went through my head also tonysam….but then I remembered that he is like that in all his cases.
Really, he was going on the flawed investigation the idiot Flores did….it is actually Flores fault the case stank from the beginning…and now Kermit is as ass for sticking with it.
Looks like Jodi admitted in court that it was her foot . What ever happened to the good old days of certainty and doubt about the prosecution and their ludicrous speculation:
BeeCee says:
January 27, 2013 at 11:27 am
Thanks SJ!!!! this is great!!!
Pic #1 I have never been convinced that it is a pant leg and foot. Socks are extremely slippery on most tile. If one compares the original unenhanced photo from the camera to this one, it is hard to see how they got to this, in the unenhanced, the white stripe looks like the trim on the floor to me instead of a pant stripe.
#2 the “bottom” of the shoe is too soft. I would expect the bottom of a shoe to have a sharp edge or line…although I guess there might be shoes that have no support on the bottom…still, how does one take their own photo even accidentally like that??
that is exactly what got Casey Anthony acquitted.
Here we go again. He is trying to pin her down to the second, is this all he has?
This has already been going on for 5 minutes as to the time. More waste of time, his aggression is building up. This is gonna be ugly today. Bless you dear Jodi !
He’s a real shit…….very mean-spirited man.
Yea here we go… I was worried about her being confused about when she put her stuff in the car, but im SO glad that was cleaned up.
And Martinez already Fucked up, WHEN, means when right guys!!! Lol
The trivial issues, was he shaving, was she dressed,(no, she ran around his house naked, she’s a whore remember?) The prosecution has time stamps and based their case on that, they pounded the minute or so into our heads during direct. Now he didnt shave, most people dont shave until after they bathe or before like my son does.
we’re playing word twister today
Note to self: “Prior” and “before” do not mean exactly the same thing.
pri·or 1 (prr)
adj.
1. Preceding in time or order: “[They] insist that foreign vessels seeking access obtain prior approval” (Seymour M. Hersh).
2. Preceding in importance or value: a prior consideration.
be·fore (b-fôr, -fr)
adv.
1. Earlier in time: They called me the day before.
2. In front; ahead.
Not sure what school JM went to but that is a synonym
JM is sooo annoying…why does he not understand what she meant in the video about the shaving photos. Sometimes what JA is saying is so obvious, and I don’t think he is faking about not understanding. Surely he isn’t that dumb…He just keeps on and on and on and he won’t let her explain anything…URG!
I love how Jodi continues to completely own her lies, she takes the wind right out of JM’s sails.
I also like how she pointed out that she is telling the truth, now that she is under oath.
I also love how JM keeps questioning Jodi about the sex, as though she ever said it was not mutual or that she ever alluded to rape or being forced. He forgets that NURMI was the one who suggested these things thru his questioning. Jodi, denied the extent of crudeness, like most abuse victims.
Okay back to the “you lied” to investigators and license plates.
Its every morning they fight!!!! Like they have to get use to how tney understand eachother n they need to get it out of the way. I hope Jodi has a good day!!!
Oh, yea – he’s going to be areal d*ck to her today.
In the video of her being questioned she says that Travis shaved the “old fashioned way” but then stopped explaining any further. Could it be that “the old fashioned way” is with a straight razor? Could that be what was used?
nevermind… I guess that wouldn’t explain stab wounds.
Ohhhh yea GREAT observation scrappydoo!!!!
Good lord. Martinez is ignoring both the fact that she said “…it took convincing PRIOR…” and that he used it as his MySpace profile pic. How could he have used it as his profile pic after he was dead???!!!!
He must have run down stairs to put it in myspace before his shower. He is losing credibility.
Wow! Kermit is really stupid!!!
So, did she lie or tell the truth in the interview JM????? Can’t have it both ways when it suits YOU!
Is this his gotcha moment?
Let’s listen again shall we? If this wasnt so serious i’d be on the floor laughing.
Idk but I dont get the point that he’s trying to make with this!!! Lol
What is it, whats the point??
I guess JM thinks TA only shaved June 4th and never before.
He is really grasping at straws…
If I were Jodi I would almost give up and make sure my lawyer clarified that.
Yeah, this is painful. She’s took a detour in her story, to talk about a PRIOR time when she had to convince him to pose for pictures …
A lot of men shave in the shower..
Only place I ever shave.
Freaking Martinez is NOT hearing the shaving comment right. TRAVIS used the photo she took of him PREVIOUSLY on FB.
Unless Travis came back from the dead, he couldn’t have posted his shaving pic on FB.
Myspace, not facebook, but yes and that picture is still up on his Myspace profile.
http://www.myspace.com/tvalexander
Exactly, I’m sure this will come back around by Nurmi. Plus Jodi had JM replay to include that portion of the tape again.
It is his profile picture….
My bad – I meant MySpace.
My Space…. He won’t play it through now!
She said it!! HA
I know! Does Martinez have a freaking comprehension problem? He’s just trying to create the scenario that HE wants, regardless if it really happened that way.
Total comprehension issues!!
I bet he has to pay his staff a lot of money to work for him.
I am about to bash my head into a wall!!!! OMG HE POSTED it on MYSPACE!!!! It was a different day!
I’m sure defense can pull up when that picture was posted.
YES. That was his myspace profile pic. I remember looking at TA’s myspace and that was the pic. It was a different day!
Cant they check the properties of that picture to see when it was taken and what camera it was taken with? When I look at the properties of my pictures it tells me when it was taken and with what camera it was taken with.
JM is so stupid. He just played the video for the jury and she SAID Myspace! lol
Oh my ….. have to say ….. Sister Arias is a VERY difficult witness. I don’t know if I can go for the death penalty because those hurt most are the survivors — mom, dad, siblings, etc. In truth, a greater punishment is life in prison but I sure don’t want to pay for it!
Yes she is difficult to trick into mis-speaking
The death penalty isn’t exactly free. And this never should have been a DP case anyway.
I sure hope Nurmi gets up there and plays that all the way through so we can hear her say Myspace
OK, the license plates, let me tell you a story.
I live in a very safe area in Southern CA.
I woke up one morning, went to the store, popped my trunk and was putting groceries in my car. I’m staring at the back of my car. Something is different… wtf is wrong…
OMG somebody stole my back license plates! They are personalized with my son’s name on them (he’s only 3, it was a gift–the personalized license plates.)
I go back home. The screws are in my driveway. Some kids stole it in the middle of the night right in my driveway.
KIDS SCREW WITH LICENSE PLATES ALL THE TIME. It’s life.
I had mine stolen when I lived in Reno. You wouldn’t believe it, but the person who did it actually lived in the same rooming house that I did.
Yes, I’m just saying, these things happen.
Martinez, she just told you, “you’re all over the place”. So yes she canNOT follow you
Um, no offense to people with schizophrenia, but I think JM kind of is one….
Before I started boycotting HLN and In Session Beth, Vinnie and several others actually claimed that Martinez confusing & over the top circular line of questioning that drags on and goes nowhere is his strategy! They actually said they thought it was great and JM would tie things up at the end of his cross. I don’t see how any of them could have said that with a straight face. So purposely doing a bad job on cross is now a great trial strategy! Law school students would love to hear that.
What JM is really doing is deliberately throwing the case because he knows he overcharged her to begin with.
Yes, they mentioned that; I still watch HLN because I want to hear what the pro prosecution people have to say, so I can refute it…. Anyway he is going on for so long, and skipping so much, it will make it difficult for the jury, too. That’s the problem.
He’s too hard headed to admit that publicly even if it is true! He should have gone for 2nd degree.
But truly it is Travis’s FAMILY that want DEATH if you read that sister’s blog page she states I want to see Jodi die in the death chamber an nothing less. Jodi would have took a plea deal the FAMILY said no way. They want to pretend he was the perfect little Mormon boy. Which I know is false. I have a deviant brother an there is no way I would stand by him in court knowing how he is around women disrespectful an hateful an demanding. The nice guy at times but in private not so ! this starts at a early age it did not just begin for Travis. There just is not 1 WOMAN that wants to tell the TRUTH about him an his nastiness as they do not want it out there period they too would be ashamed. They forced Jodi to have to bring this all out. That is why all the BS in the beginning as she said she was ashamed.
I know it’s not just me – but I’m having a difficult time with anyone who claims Juan Martinez is a brilliant attorney that is going to wait to put his case together till the very end; like rain man with a rubbik’s cube. It’s like his burden of proof or requirement to engage the jury does not apply. I swear, Nurmi is doing a better job; both he and Ms. Willmot go above and beyond the call of duty here and all Martinez can do is dance around the courtroom pretending to have a case.
My sentiment exactly MB.
I keep waiting for his aha moment, and it never comes. On one hand i’m worried about what might come and then I realize there isn’t going to be one.
Yes, me too. I always think there’s something he’s going to pull out of his sleeve; but then nothing. A part of being a good attorney is being able to engage the jury long enough to get his point across, he won’t even do that! The HLN people forget that even if Martinez is deliberately confusing Jodi; that he is confusing the jury at the same time. That can’t be a good strategy, not when they have to have a clear picture of what happened that night.
Some notes on the performance of prosecutor JM (by a non-US law student):
1. JM is a painting-by-numbers type lawyer; more a mechanical grafter than natural talent.
2. During XE, his method dictates that one must keep the witness on an extremely short leash, allowing yes/no answers only, without elaboration. This indicates fearfulness of losing control, due to a lack of ability to intelligently improvise on the basis of any unexpected information which may emerge.
3. However, there are some major problems with following this rule of thumb too rigidly:
– A) in order to paint a coherent mental picture of the guilty scenario for the jury via only yes/no answers, the formulation of the questions put becomes extremely important. To do this properly, one must have a masterful command of the facts, a vivid imagination, unbreakable focus and a clinical command of the language in use. JM is rather weak on all 4 here, but ‘compensates’ by hardly listening to the witness and persistently trying to modify his questions after having gotten the answer. He thus wastes energy fighting the witness instead of skillfully eliciting the testimony required to prove his case.
– B) the witness, if allowed to elaborate, may inadvertently offer evidence favourable to the prosecution. It appeared to me that several times he has thoughtlessly prevented JA from helping herself to more rope (pun intended).
– C) if done in an over-emotional manner (JM’s voice often cracks up with frustration) in front of a jury it comes across as bullying or unnecessary hostility, thus generating reactive sympathy for the defendant.
4. He lacks grasp of the English language, often struggling to find words to express himself. JA is well ahead of him on this front and has the (for JM, infuriating) knack of making it painfully obvious by fixing on the subtle difference between what he said and what he wished he had said.
5. He appears to have a short temper and something of a sensitivity about being Hispanic, as seen by his accusatory jibe that Nurmi thinks “all people with Spanish names are the same” after innocently mixing him up with Flores early in the trial.
6. He would evidently benefit from having assistant counsel but apparently ego does not admit this. Possibly connected to his hinted inferiority complex.
7. He is not enjoyable to watch and his excited voice not scoring points will grate on the jurors ears, so they tune out his noise as much as possible.
[ atm, a hung jury looks to me the most likely outcome ]
UNF, i just came back and your observation on Kermit is terrific!
Thank you for sharing!
True that MB.
I’ve been thinking the same thing.
I’ll believe it when I see it I guess.
If its even clear enough to understand…
Yes exactly! He has no proof, and rhetorical speculation is not enough to put someone away in prison, let alone the death penalty.
It’s already ibupropen time. I’m so tired of listening to him already.
Yes I’m popping them with you!
By around 3 i’ll need some Xanax!
LOL – I have high anxiety watching this too! Send one over!
I went stronger and went for the Valium!! I have some Ativan if things really get bad. (I have an anxiety disorder as is, so this trial isn’t helping me any).
I just woke up around 9 pm. Couldn’t take it any more! My wife had HLN on and said “Oh, your trial is on!” and I said TURN IT OFF, PLEASE!
Nurmi looks like Grimace from McDonald’s today.
omg, I have to take my headphones off. He is driving me nuts
Lovesac has a banner ad directly above the video monitor on az central.
OMG! How lame.
Kind of a personal question here but ladies, if you’ve ever been the recipient of oral sex after a guy has recently shaved do you sometimes find the stubble to be a little bothersome? lol
since no one has answered yet.
No.
LOLOLOLOL
Poor Jodi, she looks like she is going to be sick.
I would say the ceiling photo was taken when it fell. It is upside down. Makes sense to me.
she’s dreading this…so am I. Kermit is gonna get really bad.
He’s trying to confuse her about everything. Ugh!!! She didn’t premeditated this and he’s grasping at straws.
I think I’m getting a migraine!
Wilmott is getting one too,I think.
Did Martinez just admit that he KNEW she had to convince him at another time? What an asshole. I hope the jury caught that.
*convince him to take the shower/shaving photos
maybe his brain and mouth finally caught up with each other.
Hah! Love the brain and mouth comment!
Maybe it’s not that he’s trying to confuse Jodi, its that he’s just confused himself all around.
I wonder if any of Jurors are banging their head off their knees
I sure would be!!! It’s really getting absurd!
I don’t know about the jurors but I sure am banging my head against the wall!
This is absolutely ludicrous. He wanted the photos to take to Cancun??? Yes, he was going to walk around with a giant sandwich board displaying the photos.
lol…
No one can understand your questions SIR
Now we are back on the rope. 45 minutes so far of yelping, posturing, a whole lot of nothing.
This guy is supposed to be a great prosecutor?
That is funny. Very.
2 ladies on the beach, “sir that is duplicative, you look the same..”
lol! I know right? To think this guy is a seasoned prosecutor. Really???
I see why he works by himself. I doubt anyone could ever work with him.
She has a hard time understanding Martinez cause you are an idiot and are trying to turn two different dates into one
What did he spend? 30 minutes on that one. It was plain shes talking about another time.
Why didn’rt the judge take more control than she did?
Bias????
JM is being such an ass! His questions are all over the place. A rocket scientist could not follow his stupid questions!
I have a feeling Mrs Wilmott would be more objective about the way Martinez talks to Jodi.
how funny. Most Cameras have a zoom
i think we are finally getting to something of a substantive nature.
Now that I see this schematic, I have a theory about the water that got on the box in the closet.
I think the water was still on in the shower, there was then blood from the struggle, and the water washed over to the box.
Nicole – where exactly was the box?
It was directly across from the shower stall in a closet
Yep, the shower could be the culprit of the water then. good point.
“Go ahead! Say fucking idiot!” “Say it!”
She should say he’s a fucking idiot! (OK, probably not the best idea).
lol!!!
…
No, I am not related to this case in any way – well, other then I am Mormon and live close to Ryan Burns in Utah (don’t know him though).
Those 2 things are what primarily sparked my interest in this case to begin with.
Really… his asking what way her face was facing???? Who would remember that? His picking at the smallest thing to make it look like what shes saying is inconsistent.
Theres a whole lot of yelping, hollering, waving of arms and flailing about but there is absolutely NOTHING behind all of this. He is grasping at straws here.
Hey Martinez, TA is bigger than you are….He could have body slammed her that way
On one foot too!
Also it would be human nature to move up closer to pick up the camera you dropped to make sure it was ok ?? so naturally she had to move up closer to the shower ! daaaaaaa…………she can’t remember minute by minute give me a freaking break ! Travis was only worried about his precious camera after all it probably cost a lot of money an we all know he is materialistic if you read any of his blogs. God’s Gift to all Women too.
OK, who pays attention to where somebody else’s feet is when getting bodyslammed?
Omg she should nust stick to, it happened so fast I cant remember, I was scared I wasn’t concentrating on where we were standing it happened so fast, I was just scared for my life I wanted to get out of there! !!
He is asking some really stupid questions. “rolled is different run”? “Was he laying on top of you” (how does she roll if he is on top of her)
After somebody Body Slams you, you’re not going to stick around to see what they will do…. GEEZ
according to martinez since TA had grabbed her wrist and apologized In August 2007 of course she should have stayed and seen what he would do after being bodyslammed!coz that’s a basic human instinct,when sm hits you you stay and wair for their remorse!Is he serious????
BS!!!! Yea he was stooping down to help her up n say sorry!!!! Hahhahaa good one Martinez! !!
Let’s all praise St Travis,who had just cursed at her,bodyslammed her BUT was trying to stoop down and PICK her up!!Oh now I get it!!yeah,no self defense!unbelievable…
Yea n I bet when she was struggling with her before the gun went off, he was trying to HUG her to tell her he’s so sorry!
Ya really how stupid does he think people are? Really oh let me pick you up honey an apologize after I cursed you for dropping the camera an flew out of the shower. I am sure he was checking to see if his precious material item was not broken. After all a man like that is very materialistic he would worry first about his car being wrecked an damaged before making sure everyone was ok ! lot of people out there like that today it is disgusting !
Are you kidding me – now he’s trying to bend over and help her up????? Oh, please
But he was still yelling at her and chasing her. Yep he was going to bend over and help her (not)
He wants her to explain WHERE everything happened. That’s impossible! Im sure this happened so fast n the only thkng anyone would be thinking is to get out!
Okay he was a wrestler so body slamming is very logical.
But wrestlers usually aren’t sprinters so she probably could run faster than him….
Lmao he wasn’t a WWE wrestler. He wrestled in high school. There is no body-slamming in high school wrestling.
There you go pro pros, Jodi is crying.
Feel better?
Now is this believable?
Oh wait, now she’s faking right?
No kidding huh! No matter what she does, they will always find a problem.
now the’re saying she”is going for an Academy Award today” !! THEY ARE the sociopaths,sth is terribly wrong with these people if they cant see she’s NOT acting or PRETENDING!!!!
Oh wow really? And they call her a sociopath? Have they looked at their own behavior!?
AGREE!
They really aren’t normal.
What an asshole!!! Was she crying???!!! Ifeel so bad! Yea I want to see what the haters R going to say about the fake tears!!!
I deplore the act that brought all of us here, but I have charity in my heart for my fellow man. Any person with a heart and a conscience can see her pain is palpable. I feel sorry for the human race if the prolific hatred and blatant disregard for another human being’s pain is the norm. Many on twitter/news/social media are calling the judge “lib” for showing any kind of compassion and heaven forbid interrupting the mongrels slashing tirade, his parting commentary should be disregarded and inadmissible. I also feel a reprimand from the Judge is in order, but that will never happen. I am saddened by so much of this. It’s more than a murder case to me. So many people will never know Travis, will never know the real Jodi, and never understand how I have compassion for both people, that is the truly saddening part.
Bella you are right I was out all day & have enormous empathy for both, I lost my husband in June from cancer unexpected but we both never liked to see this type of hate that has permeated our culture I saw Jodi cry today I think it was so sad, that this happened so many broken lives, but the media is so horrible. They twist everything. I am sure the Prosecutor has enraged Travis Family. This prosecutor is very nasty and from what I saw the Judge seemed to ignore many of Nurmi’s objections. The contrast between Nurmi & Martinez is so obvious.
The judge did over rule almost all of Nurmi’s objectios. Some lawyer on TV was saying that HE was yelling ather laywer for not more objections. Every time that I heard Nurmi object, the juge either over ruled or to asshole to rephrase the question. BIAS???;.
I cried when she cried – un-frigging-believable that his judge lets JM get away with so much! He does not ask questions; he is testifying and then trying to get her to agree with him at all costs!
I agree with you Cindyp………….I know he is trying to get her to admit something she never has before though an too also get a BIG REACTION out of her other than crying he wants her to EXPLODE back at him in anger to prove she is explosive that is what I get from JM I can’t stand him but that is what he does on other cases too he has been on.
He is! Did you see when he started yelling at her, im not asking u that, im asking u!!! Mrs Wilmott looked up at Nurmi n Nurmi objected. Of course judge doesnt care. She keeps overruling Nurmis objections.
Can someone tell me why there were pics after he was dead
Those are the crime scene photos
duh, I wasn’t thinking.
I don’t believe that she has testified about that yet.
Thats a pic taken by the police after the body was found.
I was thinking of the during photos. Like the one with the pant leg.
Yes, these are crime scene photos. And the worst part is that the body looks awful in them because Travis has been dead for five days. It makes the visuals much more gruesome than if his body had been found right away.
Nice job, JM! You just had to throw a pic of Travis up with the evidence markers to show where Jodi was.
The good thing is, the judge called for the lunch recess. That, to me, shows that the judge is aware of how Jodi is feeling.
Yea about time.But, I was thinking, wouldn’t it be kindda ok for the jury to see how emotional she is??? I mean that was enough to me, but I think the longer they see her like this the better it is for her…..
Did anyone hear what Nurmi said to her when he walked up to her?? He didnt have to do that. I know he would love to punch Martinez in the face. Nurmi is an attorney for the abused isnt he??
Nurmi said, “Are you all right?” Jodi said yes, then Nurmi said, “Just take a minute.” He’s a sweetheart.
I hope I get to work for attorneys like Nurmi & Vanessa (I can’t remember her last name right now…). They are so compassionate and really care about their client’s well-being.
it was such a touching moment when Nurmi went on the stand to help her get down,i think what he said was ”let’s take a minute.,ok?” I have a new-found respect for him right now,not that I didnt before but this thing that he just did shows how great of a person he is unlike Kermit!
YOU CAN TELL MR. NURMI IS NOTHING BUT A BIG TEDDY BEAR. HE WILL DO HIS BEST TO KEEP THAT MONSTER IN LINE. MY HEART WENT OUT TO JODI, I CAN IMAGINE WHAT SHE IS GOING THROUGH. POOR GIRL. I WAS THINKING MAYBE SOMEONE CAN ANSWER THIS, DO YOU THINK THEY COULD PUT HER IN A HYPNOTIC TRANCE TO REMEMBER WHAT HAPPENED.
that was a terrible thing to say ‘did you cry when you shot him? did you cry when you stabbed him?
I think the most terrible thing he did was force her to look at the picture again – when it was clear she had lost it. That will NOT look good to the jury. He came across as cruel and unbelievably stupid.
Oh, it’s going to get worse. Wait until he whips out the slashed throat photos.
Apparently the word ‘REMORSE” is not included in Martinez’ dictionary and that’s why he is unfamiliar with the term!!! Better yet humiliateand be sarcastic with the witness,RIGHT Kermit????
Wow… the blood-thirsty ghouls of HLN are soooo excited and worried that some jurors might now have sympathy for Jodi! I swear they’re about to pee themselves if they haven’t already.
I am watching in Session and they are just as excited to see her cry!!! “this is the cross examination that we have been waiting weeks for” Is what they said…….How sick is that they have waited weeks to see Jodi have to look at photos of TAs dead body!!!
They will call this the smoking gun
Oh, they will…but if she didn’t cry, they’d be screaming “THAT SOCIOPATHIC MONSTER!!! LOOK HOW JUAN EXPOSED HER FOR WHAT SHE IS!!!!”
They should be ASHAMED of themselves! I had tears, and I’m sure if there was one jury with a daughter, or a woman that has been in a bad relationship, she will be ok. This guy is no better than the men who abuse their women! I can tell you for a fact when someone is mad that you can pretty much do whatever you want to someone. How in the world can people lift up cars when someone is trapped under them. The human body sometimes does have super human strength when needed.
JM is an evil ass, and I hope the jury can see he is abusing this girl on trial. She did do wrong, but it doesnt justify the way he is abusing her, and these people on In Session are horrible people.
So true, annie n kira!!
Jackal, he is being ABUSIVE! ! The stupid judge has been letting him do this. Idk how n why this is happening! She has no control of her courtroom or shes intimidated by Martinez!
She did call lunch a little early so that Jodi can compose herself BUT I think it would’ve been ok if she would’ve waited, every second that Jodi is up there in tears, especially like this, (imo) I think the jury would see THE REAL JODI.
Why though???? I dont get it??? They r excited that Martinez made her cry????? Other then that, he’s doing a horrible job, they’ve even said it!!!
Making her cry like that just was better for the defense.
I cannot type today……..
I think so too it shows she is human and that she has remorse for what she did!!! But I feel so bad for her for having to go through this!!
Does anyone else remember when that preachers wife killed him??? Well he made her dress up during sex and she killed him because of that mental abuse….she wasnt treated like Jodi is in the media….or in the court room…..and she got off pretty easy….she didnt even face the same charges that Jodi has since the beganing.
Jennifer, yes, and she shot her husband when he was asleep with a shotgun blast or two I cant remember. I cannot understand all of this hatred for Jodi, it goes above and beyond the norm.
I totally agree!! The woman took off after she killed her husband with her children to take them to the beach!! She did just as Jodi did she ran!!! She got off I think fairly easy and is living her life free and all her husband did was ask her to dress up during sex and didnt she also have the family bankrupt and her husband was going to find out the day she killed him!! So that to me is a motive and she got off why…she was a preachers WIFE!! And not someones girlfriend having premarital sex …as most of the population under 30 has!!! I think it is NUTS how the media goes after Jodi and if there happens to be a Jodi defender they are quickly taken off the air!!
Yes LC isn’t that disgusting? These people on tv talking excitedly about Jodi sobbing on the stand. They’ve got to be some sadistic shits to find something great about that.
Yea MB. I wonder what TA sisters n brother looked like? The feed im watching it from didnt show there reaction, did you catch it or anyone else?
No, the camera stayed straight on Jodi.
Sick and MORBID! I can’t stand any of them.
I am in freaken tears HOW CAN that JUDGE let the oompa loompa badger her like that? What an ASS!!! I so wish I was in AZ to be there for Jodi. I can not imagine how she is feeling right now!!!
The upside is, that if we all think Martinez is a bullying ass, then at least one or two jurors probably agree.
The vast majority of the jurors are still not buying any of the BS Martinez is selling. Having said that, today’s performance is predictable, and more of the same this afternoon. I think we can safely say that today is the day Martinez officially lost this case.
SJ
Team Jodi
Yup agree!!! This clearly was not premeditated n Martinez has far from proven this.
Really. I don’t get it. She’s already said she did it. So isn’t he supposed to try and prove it was premeditated? I haven’t seen that.
Putting all personal feelings and dislike of JM aside, he still hasn’t shown proof of premeditation.
Personal opinion back on, JM seems to be helping the defense. “He was a wrestler….right?” “He couldn’t catch you even though he was in great shape…right?” Another question something like you had the wind knocked out of you but you could run away….(fight or flight). He was cursing at you and body slammed you. Isn’t it correct that he may have been stooping over to help you up…right…since you were no longer looking at him….right? (or not). I cannot believe this case is being allowed to go forward as a DP.
I use to date a wrestler in High School and yes they are fast on the mat but they are pretty slow runners.
You are right, strong, but slow runners. Who’s to say he didn’t slip and fall on the wet floor when he starts to run after her.
JM is not going to convince anyone Jodi isn’t telling the truth, just because she doesn’t remember all the details even of the part she recalls before the stabbing. When things are happening so fast, there is NO way to remember the details, even right after it happens.
I was a cheerleader and the size about that Jodi is and I could out run him!! And Jodi would of been even faster because she was in fear. Just like those women that pull cars off their kids adrineline(Sorry I am terrible at spelling)
The only issue there is Jodi testified at some other point in time she tried to (???) run out of the bedroom or something and he ran and caught her, grabbed her by the wrist. Martinez will be all over that ‘why could he catch you then but he couldn’t catch you this time’…
Exactly Jodie!!! So idk why all the haters are excited about?! Just because Martinez made her cry??? Like we’re in school all over again n the bully makes the smaller kid cry, the other kids get excited n start laughing. Ok but they CANT see the big picture (it was great for the defense) that Jodi broke down, just like you said. He’s been working for the defense, he’s helping HER out in the long run. So, im sad that she broke down BUT im also glad she did. She had to!
They can keep laughing all they want, but another point for Jodi!!
Team Jodi★
The media is no better then TA they are FREAKEN BULLIES!!!
Did anyone ese hea on in Session a few minutes ago where the talking head was stating what she thought happen and said that jodi was dragging TA down the hall all bloody and that is when the camera fell…..how the heck is she dragging TAs big body and carrying a camera at the same time??
Omgh lol they’re so full of shit! Why dont they go cover something else, they suck ass!
At this point, I SO WISH, I was a report or had my own show. Id be the only one on cheering for Jodi!
I too wish someone would be on the air that would defend Jodi!! It is sad how all these edia talking heads talk how they are so against physical violence and domestic abuse but when a case happens where abuse has occured the talking heads conform to what is accepted!!
Even Gloria Allred??
She’s a person for women that have been victumized. I guess Jodi couldn’t hire her or ask for her Jodi was abused, what is it that they don’t understand?
What if it had been Jodi’s life that was taken?
It’s just in this case Jodi defended herself. Gloria shoud be happy she did,
instead, she’s smirking and laugjing like the rest of the laughing asses.
Besides that someone has been killed and they’re laughing because they think she will get the DP, that means they are laughing becuse someone was killed.
They ALL make me sick, they’re just as bad as JM.
The case isn’t over, is it? Doesn’t the defense still have others witnesses to call?
Does anyone know who is next?
I know if you are afraid that a person like this will attack you? Yes she will fight.0
Jennifer you are right that is very un fair I wrote to an attorney he agreed with me, Wrote back. I hope he watching.
Maybe he stopped to shave right after he body slammed her….
Well, Kermit held off the temptation to pull out the only thing he has to prop his non-case up as long as he could.
But now he has, we should have taken bets on how long it would take. He skipped right over the part where she got the gun off the shelf. He knew lunch was coming. No way was he going to let the jury out to lunch without those images in their head.
Look at all the cases in the United States where women have killed their abusive spouses and the majority start by LYING to the police!! The women have it beaten into them that NOONE will ever believe them if they come forward with the abuse!!!! SO OF COURSE they are going to lie to the police!!! Jodi is not the acception she is the rule!!
they are so use to lying to everyone around them about the abuse
I agree!! The man is usually a pillar in the community similar to TA and the woman believe that noone will believe that this man is an abuser.So they LIE!! Just like they lie about the bruises!!
I”m glad so many of us understand. Most of us have been there, or our mother was like that, or our grandmother, etc.
So many women live with monsters, whom the rest of the world thinks are good people. I know a girl whose grandfather was the president of a well-known NYC Senior Association. He was so well loved – it was a Jewish association and he was Catholic- but they still elected him president. Long Story short- the POS had been molesting children for DECADES. It was sadly after he died that it came out. PEOPLE don’t TALK. This is nothing new. So sad that all of these talking heads are not willing to accept that.
I grew up Catholic and many of the boys in my generation and the generation of my parents were abused by the fathers in the church and for YEARS it is kept secret> Just as spouse abuse befor the 1980’s even if the police where called NOTHING happened!!!
Exactly! And I remember hearing on the sex tape that their friends like Abe referred to their problems as “drama.”
If she can’t get her friends to take her seriously, then how can she believe the police can take her seriously?
She was trained by TA to believe that he was the good one and she was NOT!!!
That is true too
I just saw a rewind for some reason and Jodi is crying you can hear her crying but the focus is on Martinez and he pulls up exhibit #78 . He wants her to look at it and asks her if she was crying when she was shooting him or crying when she was stabbing him. She kept answering I don’t remember but couldn’t look at the picture.
We got to see the “rewind” as it “makes for great television” I personally lost my apatite over it. For the media and the rest of blood thirsty vultures to salivate over someone else’s pain is deplorable.
Well that is just disgusting Bella!
She sounds sympathetic and it isn’t a win for him IMHO.
When she said TA body slammed her and it was really hard… she ever said in any conversations that her head hit the floor also, because that could explain after why she can state I don’t remember. That sounds reasonable to me.
I think he was hoping she would latch onto that. He wants to discredit PTSD.
I think for that claim to ring true to the jury though, Jodi would have to have had a lot of memory troubles for the entire trial, not just during M’s cross.
I don’t think so. have siezure problems and I cam inderstand and think when someone is asking normally, but if they’re running their questions too much together, I lose all thought.
Migranes are similiar to a seizure and the first start in the eyes, so yes it DOES make a big difference.
JM doesn’t have to do that and he would make more sense to her. She wasn’t kidding when she said, it scrambles her brain.
She said she killed him in self defense.
IMO, I believe she’s telling the truth, she’s already sid she did it.
Jaun is a horses ass.
I hope the jury will feel compassion for her. She’s a young girl who made a terrible mistake. She will suffer the rest of her life for having made that mistake regardless of the jury’s decision. Nothing can bring TA back. What purpose is served by convicting Jodi? Only vengeance.
As I watch the trial, in the back of my mind I say to myself “There but for the grace of god go I” and I’m not even a believer in god. But a slight alteration here or there and my fate could have been a similar one.
Anybody see Jodis fingers when she was crying??? HER finger was bent and the media cant say oh she was making it that way….at that moment she was thinking about the picture she was being forced to look at but will the media point out that her finger was really hurt NOOOOO WAY!!!
I think the argument is over when the finger was injured, not whether or not it was hurt. State is trying to say it was hurt when she killed TA.
I thought it was an argument of when it happened, not if it happened. January 22 vs. June 4, right?
Yes I noticed that too. I’m double jointed, and I can’t bend my finger like that either.
I watched again paying attention to the finger and many times when her hand was on her face that she can not straighten the finger as she can the others.
HLN dummies are saying it was a shame the judge called lunch, because it will take JM a while to build back up to his point. JM purposefully skipped ahead, because he WANTED to get a gruesome photo in front of the jury before lunch. He is desperate. Yes, SJ, JM HAS lost this case, he knows it, we know it, everyone knows it. He is relying on the jury to be so furious that they feel the need to “make someone pay”. Its absolutely disgusting!
Totally agree – that was a stunt meant to manipulate the jury.
How come Jodi was crying when she saw the photo? She had a “morbid curiosity” to see the photo during her interrogation with Detective Flores.
Well I assume because she was alone with the detective here in trial she is being forced to look an be reticuled in front of family. An is tired an sick to her stomach.
With the detective, I honestly thought she didn’t believe his thoart was cut!
Sunny,
I remember her not only saying “morbid curiosity” with Flores, but also, if you look back at the day of the ME testimony, Jodi looks at each and every gruesome photo on the screen from her chair. She turns away and hides her face, and when the next one comes up, there she is again.
Look at that picture of TA the upclose one….to me it looks like a 5 oclock shadow not a clean shaven face!! DOES anyone else see that ??
I thought the same thing. I clearly saw a shadow. Don’t understand why Jodi agree to that one.!
That is what I was thinking…he doesnt look like a man that JUST shaved.Hopefully the jury will look at the photo and see that also.
The MOB MENTALITY is sickening. No respectable journalist would conduct themselves the way the HLN staff has. They’re like a pack of hungry wolves going in for the kill. The sheer delight they have over Jodi crying makes me sick to my stomach. They don’t understand abuse victims at all. They are out for blood regardless of how poor a job Martinez is doing and the lack of evidence to prove his case.
I hope karma steps in and gives all these people what they have coming to them.
I totally agree!!! I think the day where responcible journalism is in the past today all they care about is ratings and the popular opinion of the day!!! It makes me sick!!
No they don’t. And this is abuse towards her over and over again. I wouldn’t be surprised if she kills herself after this ordeal.
Yes, it’s despicable that GROWN PEOPLE are acting like a bunch of nasty vipers getting ready to sink their teeth in whenever Jodi shows a vulnerable spot. To think kids and young people are watching this, getting cues as to how to react to cases like this from a bunch of greedy, unethical spin doctors that capitalize on human tragedy.
I agree with all that. I lived through alot of what Jodi went trough and I have tried to think back to just ONE instance nd try to recall every moment of what happened….I cant do it!!! I cant remember even one out of hundreds that occured in the years I was with my abuser!!! Obviously this shrimp has not researched domestic violence or the victims memories!! I remember many times lying to the police when they were called that this man hadnt hit me…..IT was clear he had. I lied because that is what I was trained to do and I knew if I ever went and told someone I was hit that the reprocussions would be 100 times worse. Jodi Never told anyone of prior abuse because THAT IS WHAT VICTIMS do to stay SAFE!! And then we all buy the I am sooo sooo sorry cries that the abuser tells us. We want these men to get better and we believe that if we love them more, make love to them more, and upset them less they wont hurt us and they will get better.
Martinez definitely doesn’t know jack shit about domestic violence; or else he’d see that Travis attacked Jodi at the most dangerous time in the relationship – when Jodi was trying to move on. She herself said that when she moved away, she was getting back to her old self, and finding hope for her future and had a possible romantic interest. Travis knew that! That is why he was so bent on guilting her into visiting him that night, he was trying to reel her back in. It’s so clear, plain as day it never ceases to amaze me that people are still willing to believe that Jodi is some penis obsessed stalker that killed him out of a jealous rage. Nothing in the circumstances or evidence even hints to that – even on the sex tape Jodi and Travis are talking about plans after the cancun trip. Yet HLN keeps throwing up the cancun trip as if it’s even relevant – it’s not! It never was, but that is the lie they keep spinning.
Martinez reminds me of An evil Munchkin He so abusive his voice grates on your ears also its very high pitched. He is a huge turn off.
I still can’t figure out how in the hell she would have gotten his giant dead ass up and over that shower ledge.
Among a multitude of other things. Impossible to believe this was done single handed.
That is all.
I dont think that it was done alone either. I think that someone helped move him….because a dead body is alot harder to move then a live body and there is no way she could of done it!! And getting him over that ledge would of been hard. I think that a roommate was there and helped or that or he walked in. Because all those days wouldnt his dog of been trying to get in his room??
It’s pretty common sense to me. So the way I figure is if ONE person put him in the shower he should have scratches all up and down his back from the metal door track. If TWO people placed him in there, one holding him under the arms and the other by the feet, there will be no marks on his back. Does anyone know what his back showed on the autopsy?
I Agree the dog would go crazy over smell digging and scratching the door down crying going nuts and no roommates wondered why or smell should av been aweful and strong but days 5 and roomates did not smell on smell his body . and how could Jodie do all that alone in less than two Minutes ? she had help or blank thinks she did she had help or did not kill Travis.
Pulling him over the ledge of the shower would have shown a large scrape wouldn’t it?
Which leads me to ask if anyone knows more about the Ashley Thompson story?
whos Ashley? And I’m still waiting to find out who Ester is! 🙂
Frannie read down aways someone tells me who Ester is she is the person that Ta was using some other type of sexual lube with.
Natalie I just started following the case who is Ashley Thompson??
Supposedly, I read it here, Ashley is the deceased wife of Dustin Thompson. They may have divorced. Dustin was a roommate of Travis’s at some point, not sure when. They had some kind of failing out (not unusual for Travis from what I read and hear). She said her husband was acting strange around the time of Travis’s death. She was going to be a witness but she is now dead. Not sure anyone is clear about her death. If someone has more info it would be appreciated
WOW that is amazing…Now had she already been deposed by the attorneys if so her testimony should still be part of the trial.
I have been digging an digging can’t find anything yet either but is sure is strange! somebody knows more than they are telling in that group of Mormon friends Travis had.
But let me add I have question about her being there alone not because i think she couldn’t move his body, but because of some of the other factors mentioned like the horrible smell, unattended dog, and saw something about the roommate using the washer on June 7th.
I am glad I never heard anything about this case until the trial, so I had no idea what happened. Now seeing this case there are two things.. I keep going back to that I can’t get past what -Tanne and Jennifer I agree with you this doesn’t make sense at all.
And the roommate’s story doesn’t make sense either to me many red flags. Hope the jurors can see this also.
Wondering I hope so too!! I hope Jodis attorney used his choices well when picking this jury. I guess we will see what they are thinking and where they are at based on the questions they will ask Jodi. Now I didnt watch before when the jury questioned the witnesses do they ask the questions they have them selves or does just one juror read them or does the judge read them?
Not sure because I have missed the parts with the jurors questions, but when I heard they were able to do that I was like wow.
I wanted to share something regarding Nancy Grace: George Washington University law professor Jonathan Turley said that Grace, as an attorney and reporter, “has managed to demean both professions with her hype, rabid persona, and sensational analysis. Some part of the public takes her seriously, and her show erodes the respect for basic rights.”
Thank you for sharing that!! I stopped watching her because how mean she is to her own guests let alone to the people on trial!! I hope they all have to eat their words again just as they did when Casey Anthony was found innocent!!
Attorney Gerry Spence said very similar things about Nancy Grace in one of his books.
I don’t understand Nancy Grace at all! Why is she so passionate about something based on her perception and total lack of analytical logic? If you analyze all the facts and stories, you can’t be that partial, I don’t think so. She sounds no better than a bully herself. Did she ever lie? I am sure she did, but the way she characterizes Jodi is like she never lied herself! Whose side is she on? It sounds to me like she’s not interested in the truth, but has already taken a position against Jodi, because umm,…. she’s pretty? So she has a show, so what? If she had any brains she would stand back and watch it unravel. I almost dare hope there’s a final surprise to this trial that’s going to give her a lesson or two. I would think it’s foolish to jump to conclusions like she does not fully knowing all the aspects of this story.
And another thing. JM is not the best PA. His questions have me puzzled many times, and I am not under stress, and I just can’t follow him. If I was in the jury I would have a hard time following his threads.
I cant follow him either!!! He jumps around and when Jodi cant follow he yells at her and asks if she has a problem with her memory!!
Nancy Grace has lied about many things. She used false testimony as a prosecutor. She lied about the murder of her fiance and the subsequent trial of the man who killed him. She lied about her ‘nipple slip’ on Dancing with the Stars.
She also lies nearly ever single day on her show.
Nancy Grace KNOWS HATE SELLS and as Attorney Gerry Spence Hate sells meet its prime time peddler in his book Blood Thirsty Bitches and Pius Pimps of Power
Brilliant quote! Thank you for sharing!
The good thing here is that crying usually means remorse. She has cried hysterically every time those photos get put up. The jury has to think she feels sorrow for everything that happened, or she wouldn’t be sobbing. There is no way she is getting the death penalty.
Why is Jodi crying now? She had a “morbid curiosity” to see the photo during her interrogation with Detective Flores. Was she not remorseful then?
DENIAL……..DENIIAL………DENIAL.
Sunny, you have not the expertise nor experience to understand PTSD or disassociation. And I am presuming to make the judgment on YOU that you don’t have much life experience yet to understand why Jodi would do something like that.
So take your sorry ass somewhere else.
Agree VioletteR – she is definitely remorseful and accepts responsibility.
She also still love Travis if you ask me.
Whos is Ester ??? Shes mentioned in the case?
The one that TA said he was using the other brand of ;personal lubricant with before he and Jodie started using the KY. I think TA and Esther was using Astro-Gllide, I think.
I can recall in past years other high profile trials. During those trials they had “experts” from *each* side giving their impressions and then debating amongst eachother. Now its completely a one sided viewpoint. Possibly due to all major media owned by large corporations that completely control content. Couple that with the majority of the population still trust and believe mainstream media. That makes it very difficult to get a fair trial.
I read a great article about this several months back. All of these news talk networks have a blueprint they go by. In every story there is a victim, a villian, and a hero. If there is a suspect, regardless if they are innocent, they are portrayed as the villian. Nancy G is the Queen of this. She saved CNN’s ratings by doing this. People tune into hate. Pure and simple she sells hate. They all do this. Even 60 minutes does it unless it is a puff piece. It’s the mob hate mentality and it’s very destructive to our society and especialyy the mental health of our children.
Sickening, really it is. I know Fox is the worst of them all and they have a large faithful following. But how they are all treating this trial is insane and should be considered a crime. Its supposed to be their job to report the news factually not give their personal opinions and treat them as facts or fact based news. This is someones life on the line, who is supposed to be at this point innocent!
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elizabetherwin I swear I just saw a couple of the jurors smile at Martinez as they took their seats. #jodiarias 19 seconds ago · reply · retweet · favorite
Well I would rather read one juror wagged his or finger at JM instead of a smile ;(
Here we go again people. Headache time. This short shit needs a beat down of his own.
It’s painful to listen to him.
I agree
He’s trying for the split second premeditation. Friggin Bozo.
Anyone else popping Advil’s like their Skittles?
Michelle LMAO I just took two.
I should some hefty stock in Advil by the time this cross is over – smh –
**should own**
lol me too!! I think he has the short mans complex and his voice good GOD I am turning on the captions I canttake it anymore.
Here comes the cracked out Kermit voice. It squeaks as he gets madder.
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Ok will do Kris 😉 love this site so happy I found a group of people that actually are nice an show some empathy for others I thought I was all alone for awhile there ♥
So now JM is trying to show the premeditation happened while she was in the closet? I guess he has to grasp at something, because he sure couldn’t prove JA’s intent for the entire trip to Mesa was for murder. Question to JM: “So your theory didn’t work that JA left Yreka to kill JA….right….so now your theory is JA had seconds to form premeditation…..right?” Objection!
Gee since when is 11′ 4″ a little over 11 and a half feet?
She said the gun went off by accident. That isn’t premeditation.
A gun going off accidentally doesn’t sound like self defense either. Jodi gets body slammed, is able to escape him, run to the closet where she knows the gun is, knows he keeps it loaded, and knows she’s going to need to use it cause she hears footsteps right behind her, so she only has a second or two at the most to grab the gun, put her finger on the trigger, aim it as best she can, and shoot him in order to save her life … but it went off accidentally? That doesn’t make sense to me.
Yeah, a lot isn’t making sense.
WOW! First, Martinez went into very unprofessional jerk mode. Then, why did Jodi mention her”cell”. Isn’t the jury not suposte to know she has been in jail?
Oh. My. Gosh… “SO, is it an attitude problem with you…”
Wow.
Low blow, Martinez.
Yea like he has any room to talk lol
Travis is naked and wet. How do you run fast on tile? Notice JM doesn’t mention that is a reason why he did not catch her right away. Now once he reaches the carpet he will have traction and it will dry his feet.
What man has that many shoes?
That is an INSANE amount of shoes for a man. I have never seen a man with such a neat closet either- hangers matching and all…. seems like someone with OCD
Yep OCD all over that closet an his office too. I am sure he is one to have photos of himself everywhere too.
Hey, does the Advil take the edge of the “right, right, rights?” Please let me know. I’m going to start popping them if it does.
Sadly Kris only Vicodin’s take that edge off …
Im sorry, but thats NOT a small closet, to me!!
My thoughts exactly. My closets are about two feet deep by 3-4 feet wide, pretty much the standard in the average home.
Me either that is a lavish sized closet compared to regular houses with the sliding door an a place to hang up clothes in an one shelf on the top………..that is all I have had in my entire life ha. The renters were paying 450 a month so I imagine that house is above average then.
No Mad dog Martinez, the scuffle did not happen in the closet, as evidenced by the photos.
He is taking this trial so personal, getting his feelings hurt and lashing out at Jodi.
Stuttering Stanley, Stuttering Stanley.
I’ll whatever you in the nose, Travis= DP
I’m speechless here folks. I need a break from this.
This is showing Jodi has a propensity for violence?? Are you for reals??? Ejole!!!!
I’m praying this cross is over today.
My gosh – how childish.
Omg here we go with the responsibility thing??!! Lol
Whats the point of bringing up the backpack issue?
Hahah omg that IS a joke!! She was clearly trying to lighten up the mood!!! Lol like shes really going to punch him dead in the nose!!!
does this little guy have ADHD?? I cannot keep track of his Qs he is all over the place.
“I don’t know, you go all over the place.”
Ain’t that the truth!!!
why is he trying SO HARD to fit HIS version of events???Why cant he just shut the f**k up and listen to what she’s actually saying?this is getting already too hard to listen to,really!
he’s trying so hard because he has JACK SHIT.
It’s like watching him drown in ignorance.
lol “drowing in ignorance” good way to put it!
I know! It’s like he’s trying to ram a square peg into a round hole. It’s not going to work, but I guess he thinks if he can polish that turd enough it’ll shine bright enough for the jurors to buy it.
Well fellow followers I would like to let you know what just happened….I am a nanny and have been for some time….I have had a discussion with the mother who I am close to about this case and how I feel and she is totally against Jodi…well long story short I just LOST MY JOB because I feel she is innocent and she ( who I might say sleeps with other men other than her husband) saysJodi is horrible. My ex boss never met Jodi but fired me because I feel bad for Jodi!!
Omg thats horrible! !!! Im sorry, but what a B****!!! WOW
Thank you LC!! I am a good nanny I can find a new family fast. Hopefully the next family will have morals!
If you love that child, I really hope you dont fail him, like it appears his parents have. Call CPS they will be there in a heartbeat, and dont do it anonymous….STAND UP FOR THAT LITTLE BOY and tell someone he is being abused. F*ck a job….the youth are the future….and it appears the future is in your hands for that little boy right now!!!!!!!!!!!!
Seriously @ Jennifer, I was a child abuse investigator for 7 years. You have a moral obligation to report this. You can call the child abuse hotline and not even leave your name. Or like SJ says post her name address age and name of child on here and I am POSITIVE it will be reported! Plz do the right thing.
Jennifer Im so sorry to hear about that.Apparently the people you were working for can hardly be called ”people” imo.They are hypocrites,judging Jodi but leading this kinda life u describe.I can totally sympathize with you right now,I’m a private teacher and go from house to house to teach children and I’ve been caught in that kind of situatio,having to work for parents who can only be called useless when it comes to parenthood but staying there because I was so attached to their children and wanted to have at least someone there for them.But sometimes when you can no longer go against your own moral belief system I think it’s best to walk away,after having apologized to the child for not being able to be there for them.at least that what I did,I talked to the child,letting her know that I loved her even though I had to leave her.
What the hell!? I’m sorry to hear that 🙁
WTF!!!!! No way – man, ignorance is really rampant these days.
Thank you. She really is not that BRIGHT!!
Yeah the family I was working for was really…..umm weird. They had an open marriage and she asked me many times to watch her child down stairs while she slept with men for Money and she has the nerve to degrade a woman who defended herself!!! I am rather happy not to have to go against my Morals again. Not sure if anyone recalls but a few days ago I was on here and got a call and asked people to fill me in what I missed because I got called to work. Well she wanted me to go get her son at school because she was turning a trick. This is against what I believe how they live but I love the child so I did it. I worry now that I am not there how he will be cared for.
If your boss is “turning tricks” then contact your local child protective services. Not as a means of revenge, as a MORAL OBLIGATION!!!! NO CHILD SHOULD GROW UP IN A BROTHEL!!!!!!!!!
Omg I cant blv people do this!!
Yeah, far be it from me to judge how people want to live, consenting adults and all… but you’re right, you’d think she’d find room in her heart to understand where Jodi is coming from; considering that Jodi is also vilified for having sex with someone she is in love with while not being in an official relationship.
I agree consenting adults can do as they please but the exchange of goods/service for sex is prostitution….locking a child in its room for extended periods is neglect..neither of which is legal, unless your are in NV, in which case you can only sell your GOODS as a registered prostitute with regular HIV and STD screenings.
Well I’m not sure if she was using tricks as a figure of speech or literally….
Most of the time it’s hypocrites that want the worst for Jodi.
Oh My Gosh! What a B****! Those who can’t have a civil discussion from opposing points of view are usually horrible people. I hope you find a new family soon. I feel bad for her kids 🙁
If she doesn’t apologize you have some serious ammunition in your pocket….
She wont appologise she is like that. She is ummm not the cleanest person either. She asked me to do things that made me cry at night. She only has one child and he is mentally challenged. They lock him in his room alot when I am not there. So many times when I get there he is locked in his room and I might add he is under 5! Since I have worked for them he has florished!!!He talks better and he loves me so much as I do him. He is why I put up with it so long!!
Hi Jennifer,
Can you post this woman’s name, address, phone# & email here in the site?
Thanks,
SJ
Team Jodi
That’s horrible, n now I feel bad for this child. Who knows the suffering he’ll have to go through without you there? Aaawwhhh…. im sad!!!
Oh my Gosh So sorry what a bunch of Jerks
JM just helped the defense again by talking about JA having better traction with socks on the tile.
Yes I noticed that too
JM is an idiot. He just said TA would be more apt. to slip since he was wet. Jodi had on socks so she had more traction. THAT would be the reason she was able to get to the closet faster. He is contradicting himself. WOW……
maybe he tripped and slid that is why he was so far behind her!!
It is just driving me crazy that she doesn’t say he was going to kill me.
She did tell him if she wouldve ran out the batheroom down the hallway n down the stairs she would’ve been dead.
Right before he tackles her he’ll tell her, kill you bitch. I think. But she did say during direct that he threatened her saying, kill you bitch.
But then Martinez would be like “I didn’t ask if you he said he was going to kill you, I asked you blah blah blah.”
It’s hard for her or anyone on the defense to get a word in edge ways with this dude.
I’ll bet that mouthy little prick was beaten up a lot in school, that;s why he is the way his is today. LMS… Little Man Syndrome.
LOL that is what I am saying Dog. The shorter they are the ummmm smaller their …unit. So he is going after Jodi so hard because he would of never gotten a beautiful woman like her so he has to attack her for all the girls like Jodi (pretty) that must of laughed at him.
What’s sad dog, is that IF Kermit were actually a NICe person I would be the first to defend his whiney tiny ass.
Does anyone think the jury can see the photos on JM’s table?
Yes, it was her idea to have the photo shoot because Travis was pissed off about the photo cd being scratched. Sheesh Martinez, can you follow her testimony or do you have problems with your memory?
Then why didn’t she say that instead of saying he wanted the pics cuz his body was buff? I Can’t figure that out.
The examiner said the gun was fired at least 2 feet away. So JM is trying to discredit the story because if he was moving and she had her arms out it would have been less than 2 feet.
The trajectory is coming into play as well.
She already testified that the gun went off during a struggle.
Og what an ass, he’s going to make her show him what a linebacker looks like!!! Ok mu god, WE ALL know what a linebacker looks like, wtf! He just wants to go agains EVERYTHING she sais. She said, I would NoT like to do n he asks her just that!!!
borrowed from twitter: M’am how fast was he going. Why didn’t u have a stop watch? That would help, right? Yes or No Yes or No?
yes this! lol
now he wants her to act it out?really how more humiliation is he thinking of inflicting today?just because he is TOO stupid to understand what she’s saying?
The jury left… now she has to show him, how??? Since Martinez doesn’t know what a linebacker looks like n the jury does, they have the jury go to demonstrate a linebacker to Martinez? ?? Wow wow wow
This is so freakin ridiculous, she has said a dozen times she doesn’t remember exactly, it all happened so fast, if this were a car accident (im a litigation claim adjuster) we would never badger the witness to describe the number of inches their foot was from the brake pedal. Ok, ok, apples and oranges, but that’s just not the way to get your point across, it’s petty and honestly kind of stupid.
Good point Harmony!! I didnt think of it like that!
Absolutely, he’s been getting lost in the minutae from the beginning; and there’s no way being a pedantic asshole is going to cover the for that fact that he has zero evidence against her.
I cant believe that he is doing this!!! You dont make a domestic Violence victim to relive a situation like that!!! This is not a good mental move for Jodi!!!
right Jennifer??? i can’t imagine, actually I kinda can, what she’s feeling. Just watching this is causing me to relive my own past violent attack that happened in a bathroom, causing my hands to tremor, adrenaline rushing and my heart pounding. We all ought to be praying for her strength to hold tight, with affirming thoughts, that she will be free real soo. She has held it together better than I could or anyone else I know. She is doing such a great job.
Flores is JM b*tch…..did ya’ll see him wave for Flores to get up and get him something and Flores jumped like a puppy dog. pitiful
Yes I did, he must have thrown him a scooby snack
O I get it, he wants Flores to be Travis and Jodi to show how it all went down. That is utter bullshit. This man is a fucking sadist.
Yup iv noticed this!!! He looks like his little bitch all the time, sitting there kissing Martinez ass!
Poo I missed that!!! Hopefully they will replay it!!!
lol LC,u’r right.I think Florez has been kermit’s little bitch all along during this case!martinez is probably his idol and hero and Florez kisses Martinez’s poster which hungs on his bedroom wall before going to sleep!
HAHA!!!
Flores has to be his little b%$#^ because Flores is the one who screwed up the investigation and Kermit didn’t have any stalking evidence to rely on for his desire to win another death penalty case.
I think Flores face is so droopy all the time because he knows he screwed up!!!
What the heck, we are spending time distinguishing the difference between a line backer and a bull???They’re both strong and arrogant, what else do you need to know??
Obviously that JM never watched football in his life he does not get it. I think he is just that dumb tho.
He’s just a d*ck……wants to challenge and one up her the entire time. Really absurd at this point.
The professional sketch/drawing of the room & bathroom looks wrong to me. They have the body as a small spot in the shower when the overhead crime photo shows him taking up the whole shower. I wonder why it not to scale. (im weird like that, I notice odd details ;-p)
what the heck is Martinez up to now? They want Jodi to act out how Travis was moving at her? First the judge excused the jury and now the audiance.
Yea I think so Frannie, because Martinez doesn’t understand what a linebacker looks like. Is he that confused? ??? Ok, what about if the jury wants to see? ?? Shouldn’t they see thus too?
Whats the point if the Jury is out of the room and will not witness this??
Could it be because she has that ‘thing’, forgot how it is called, on her leg that restrains her movements?
This happens all the time, outside the presence of the jury, they first have to see what she is going to do and what will happen. Then if the judge allows it, they bring the jury back in to see it.
I’m sure Martinez wants it done in front of the Jury.
He knows what a linebacker looks like, he knows a linebackers stance …
He just wanted her to stand up at “that” moment so that the jury would see the leg restraints she had on … what a dick!
Thank God the Judge asked jury to leave and stop cameras from Martinez from humiliating her anymore than he already has. Forcing her to get down like a line backer??? come on Martinez!!! He is a disgrace to all the quality prosecutors who do good out there for victims.
This prick is making a mockery out of the entire justice system. How anybody can claim this guy is a great DA is just as clueless as he is.
That is what I was thinking. hen I first started watching the trial I read up on him and I heard he is a great attorney, he rips defendants to shreds….well I am not see that type of PA here.
Because he doesn’t have anything!!! It’s hard to rip somebody to shreds when you are grasping at straws.
I feel so bad for Jodi today but at the end of the day this will benefit jodi. The demonstration if its allowed…
I think I like this Jason Lamm alittle!!
He is really trying to push her over the edge an say or do something that was never stated before by her or something that comes out totally different then what she stated to PROVE she is lying on the stand is his goal here. I can’t stand this guy !
I bet JM is so pissed he didn’t get to humiliate Jodi. He just wants to throw her off. Hope he doesn’t get away with this little mind Fu*k game he’s trying.
Reporter on twitter posted this:
At 4:15, the judge will hear a motion from the AZ Republic and 12News regarding the way the judge asks the press and public to leave. Criminal trials are public events and not to be conducted behind closed doors. I objected to being ordered to leave this time. The judge asked if any of the lawyers objected to the presence of the press. Nurmi did. Judge Stephens made a record of my objection and asked me to leave anyway. Let’s see what happens at 4:15.
WOW now that is interesting! I know in FL we have the Sunshine law, which requires a trial and all evidence used be public record. I know, however, there are instances when you can have something sealed, but it must eventually be unsealed. I do not know the law as it pertains to AZ. Does anyone???
Can the judge order that all cameras be removed from the court?
I believe so, because it is potentially unduly prejudicial to the defendant to see her in attack mode. They needed to see it outside of cameras and jury to rule if it would be admissible.
I know what I would do if I was the one pretending to be Travis an get to do that to JM ! I would plow his ass across that court room so he would never forget what a LINEBACKER looks like coming at you again!
Lol @ Rhonda!
And here is where he’s blown it again: Jodi will now have a chance to demonstrate that with the likely motion of the gun, the gun powder could have easily dispersed into the air rather than going directly with the bullet. He wants to have her say where the head was. She can’t and won’t say definitively.
And Travis may have hesitated before he took off running, a very reasonable supposition.
Mark my words. This is where he’s lost it.
A bull or a linebacker? Good grief!
as much as it sucks, as terrible as it is, the jury HAS to see her this emotional.. this is what theyve been waiting to see.. and now hopefully, everyone will see that jm is the bully and empathize with jodi.. it will be very hard for them to convict her now bc she has become much more likeable, even harder for them to give her the dp if they do convict her, which i dont think will happen.. anyway, thats what i was praying would happen- that they would see her as a human being with a heart, and not someone who is combative.. jm is an ass and now everyone sees it.
will u guys start a caligirlisinnocent.com website for me when i go to az and kick his butt, please?
Sure we will. His style of questioning could cause temporary insanity!
haha I would love to kick his butt too ! so add me to your website I will go with ya ! Cali Girl
thanks guys.. but we must get rid of this evidence, otherwise, they will charge us with premeditated kicking butt.. which is true, but still..
I think it speaks VOLUMES for the person that Jodi is that she got on the stand…She knew that she lied and knew that the PA would attack her on cross but she still got up there to defend herself and to finally tell the truth the whole truth and nothing but!!
And maybe he moved his head as the gun went off so this isnt going to prove that this is a lie also!!
poor thing…………so much stress. but HOW ABOUT THIS???!
HE CAME AT ME LIKE A WRESTLER WHICH HE SAID HE WAS IN HIGH SCHOOL. LIKE A WRESTLER DOING A TAKEDOWN. SINGLE OR DOUBLE LEG MR. MARTINEZ (PRONOUNCED WITH A VERY HEAVY HISPANIC ACCENT LIKE THE HISPANIC REPORT ON HLN DOES IT……………………….) ALSO MR. MARTINEZ IT COULD BE FOOTBALL BUT I AM REFERRING TO AMERICAN FOOTBALL SIR. THEY ARE TAUGHT TO HIT WITH THEIR HEADS SLIGHTLY UP NECK BRIDGED. IF YOU READ THE SPORTS PAGE MR MARTINEZ YOU WOULD KNOW ABOUT ALL OF THE ISSUES AROUND CROWN TO CROWN BLOWS AND CONCUSSIONS…………
i WOULD go on and on and talk the “answer” for 10 minute and say “I am not finished with my answer” 10 times if I had to………………………………………….
Joe I thought I was the only one that heard the change in the HLN reporters voice when she has his name!!
That is a great answer Joe. No footbal player hits with their head!!! They would break their necks!! Well it is clear that shorty is not active in anysports….on maybe “miniture” golf!! LOL
ha miniature golf I doubt he is steady enough for that even
THANKS……………well …………i could also add STUFF but it would possibly alienate the jury…………………………eg————————-in YOUR native country where YOU IMMIGRATED from mr martinez (in the spanish pronouncation — jodi took TONS of Spanish —-she could make him scream out loud he would freak out so horribly)
then……………”IN your native country football is of course soccer so a player would look down to make foot cantact when attempting to kick a ball………………HERE IN OUR country a linebacker would never run while looking straight at the ground or he would be benched for life since he may end up in the bleachers or endzone. ” I said linebacker as in american football martinez. are my replies confusing YOU mr martinez?????
Yes Jennifer. The long haired brunette has an hispanic last name but I forget what it is. Like Jane Valez as well.
Her attny asked her EXACTLY how she pronounces her last name on the stand. she said she has heard 7 different ways-but HER FAMILY has always pronounced it as MOST of us on this board say it. ie— AIR –EEEE–US. NOT “ARE—–EEEEE–EZZZZ” HE loved cutting her down and tried even such a stupid petty thing. How pathetic……………I changed my mind on her saying his name with the spanish/hispanic pronounciation……..i would PAY HER 300 bucks to blurt out his last name at some appropriate point and go soooooooooooooooooo opposite as to actually pronounce it
“MARTIN — EZ” WITH the accent on the 1st 2 syllables. Like the last name Martin. then just slowly add on the “Ezz” like a Texan might. (i lived there.) not marteeeeen ez but Martin like the first name for “marty” then pause and add the “ezz” he may very well jump over the stand at her ………………..i would not put it past him……………he also knows she spend time in costa rica taking tons of spanish…………….he would go totally nutzoid…………………..watch his feet and the constant bouncing and ulta-hyper behavior…………
ps……………………….i also wish to God Nurmi would mimic the posture issue the way martinez did of him yesterday when he leaned on the bench and said “Oh Mam, would you answer or remember better if I leaned like this like your attorney????” how freaking disrespectful of a fellow attorney he will see in the “halls” of that court for years………………………I would LOVE TO SEE Nurmi on close say something like “If I ran around like a little rat getting electrocuted llike the prosecutor, I am sure you could all see how Jodi became confused. RIGHT????! RIGHT!!! THEN LOOK AT MARTINEZ AND YELL OUT ONE LAST “RIGHT!!!!” DIRECTLY TO HIM!
And the evidence of his wounds is consitent with him lunging at her like she said
i cannot believe the judge is allowing this! now she has to act out what happened? Good grief!!!
This happens all the time in court! I work at a courthouse as a courtroom clerk. This is nothing new. Just trying to get facts out there that this is normal procedure.
Wait, how can you ask someone what they remember, then say you aren’t interested in what’s going on in their head.
What???
I KNOW!!! My god, what an idiot!! Lol
What an asshole
Throughout the scuffle, the casing NEVER moved. Yeah, right. The camera was kicked around, blood everywhere, but the casing stayed put.
I was thinking that too!! And what about all the water that was on the floor. So much that it left a water mark up on the box. Wouldnt the water of moved the spent shell..Just a minute I am going to do an experiment. Alright….my fiance has guns and goes to ranges he had some spent shells in the big box with his ammo. so I got one put it on my bathroom floor turned the shower on and then put some water on the floor. I left the shower running and went back in a three minutes later…Guess what…the SHELL MOVED!!!!
Jennifer we are definitely on the same page. I hope a juror is too.
I pray that more than one JUROR is!!
Good point! Thanks for doing that and sharing with us!
Your welcome!!
Yes, exactly!
the whole bullet in the blood thing – I think the bullet could have got kicked and landed in the drop of blood.
That’s it! I kept pondering this bullet in the blood but no blood on top of it. Since it happened first, it would have dropped on the tile that doesn’t yet have any blood. Then in the battle it gets kicked onto a spot with blood. Mystery over. Prosecution fail.
i would also add “HE DID THE SAME MOVE HE DID WHEN HE ALWAYS SHOWED OFF AND TALKED ABOUT HIS EX HIGH SCHOOL WRESTLING DAYS AND HIS “TAKEDOWNS.”
YEPPER SIR. HE DID IT WITH ME ALL THE TIME.PRETENDING TO TACKLE ME OR TAKE ME DOWN BUT THIS TIME IT WAS GOING TO BE THE REAL DEAL AS I BELIEVED.”
Yes I agree Joe ! that was more like a wrestling stance to me not a linebacker but the force she compares to the linebacker from watching football. An knocked on the floor head hitting hard an that shell casing flying somewhere
Oh god 🙁
🙁 …oh man
How awful. My heart breaks for her and for the family. This will be the first of many moments like this today.
Yes, it’s just beginning. Going to be ugly this afternoon.
Mine too…
Not quite sure if that ended well. Before she said she didn’t remember slitting his throat, now she said yes to JM before recess. I wonder what impact that will have on the jury?
I didnt hear her say she remembers slitting his throat.
Must have missed that…
HLN is replaying it now… she says “I don’t know” to slitting his throat. He asked if she did it, she says yes; it didn’t have anything to do with remembering what happened.
yes,MB thank you i was about to write that but had second thoughts because i was so crying at that moment I thought i misunderstood or misheard sth myself.the word ”remember ” was not mentioned.Martinez asked her if she did this to him and she said yes.
Thanks MB for clearing that up.
Had a feeling it was misunderstood.
Am at work, so just get to listen on AZ Central and miss somethings when people are talking.
Thank you again.
OK, thank you. The way I heard it was “yes” but you are right.
I think he was asking if she was crying when he slit her throat and she replied ‘I don’t know’… then the broke for lunch.
Your welcome, all… I guess there’s some benefit to watching HLN. They replay these moments like they’re commentating on a football game :/
(I switch back and forth, because no matter what web site I visit I almost always end up having tech problems)
She didn’t say that. Martinez asked “You’re the individual who did this, right?” (Meaning “You killed Travis.”) She replied “yes” to that.
Gotcha. Thanks.
She said she didn’t remember if she cried to all three of JM’s questions.
the moment we were all dreading.my hnds are still shaking,my heart is still pounding hard i cant even begin to imagine how Jodi must be feeling.Martinez wanted her to show him where she was on a photo of a dead body.Tha’s just the beginning of today,it’s gonna get uglier and uglier.”You did this to him so why not look at the photo?” is NOT an argument!He’s literally depriving her of the RIGHT to feel remorse,guilt,shame,terror and disgust of what she did.
Yes, it’s so awful isn’t it? She’s already testified that she would take it back if she could, that she wished it never happened. But there he is, throwing it up in her face, and making her cry actually proves she is very sorry for what she did.
And to think there’s some sadistic shits out there enjoying this.
All of the talking heads are smiling and laughing, They think it’s funny she was body slammed
and had to defend herself. They THINK that’s funny and they’ve been waiting for this, when Jodi wishes it never happened???
They are SICK!
I have it taped and try to pass through their smirks and laughs.
It REALLY does make me sick that they can enjoy this. I wish they would ll get fired.
They are not professional at all.
Who is laughing about her being body slammed? I haven’t heard that before.
I hope she did not just say YES on the LEFT RING FINGER being hurt. But then it could have be re-injured also during all that struggle. It looks like it gets inflamed still on some days while she has been on trial even to me.
OMG now he is trying to confuse her with bringing the ring finger injury happening on the day of the killing.
He’s trying to break her. Sad so sad. I hope the jury can see through JMs theatrics.
He is trying to twist her words, regarding the broken finger, he is still trying to say the finger broken was done on June 4 th 2008 but it was done in Jan 2007 ( or 2008).
Injuries were cuts on her fingers.
I’ve cut my fingers plenty of times, and the joints were NEVER compromised the way her finger is. I can’t believe he’s seriously suggesting that.
Wow, Martinez is being a jerk. He is almost acting desperate because he has so much riding on this trial.
He just wants to beat and humiliate her! Wow! I would pissed if I was a juror.
yeah,WHY would making/ wanting jodi to cry help his case?
bully.
He sure does…a book deal, a movie deal, paid appearances…ETC
What is going on with the volume on HLN
Ya mine did that too dang it !!!!!! grrrrrrrrrrrrrr
think they censor, thinking bad words?
Where can I hear what they cut out?
not good for jodi right now, BUT have to wait for defense again, and eventually experts, imo.
lil marti is a very big butthole.
tramatic events can cos people to forget parts, etc. imo. when shevsays ‘foggy’ i think ppl kno what she means.
Dont forget they said she cleaned up with water & it soaked all the way into the box across the bathroom near the casing. therefore its highly likely the water touched the casing too
He pushed but didn’t get her to day what he wanted….
I bet after the recess he will start throwing up autopsy photos and go stab by stab, etc……..
oh yes,he will.i ‘ll be surprised if he doesnt!
I hope she can remember during all that struggle an fighting it could inflame her finger. It is red some days an swollen more than other days due to I am sure some arthritis build up in that knuckle not the first time I have seen a finger like that. Bump it or even squeeze it much makes it flame up some.
He’s desperate to say she shot him last, not first like the ME said. Flores changed his tune about that too so they want to prove she is lying, but it sounds plausible to me.
I confused myself, Thanks Migraine Martinez! They are trying to prove she shot him last not first.
Yes, that’s what he’s trying to prove, and he may be able to do it by relying on the ME’s testimony. But, even if he lets it go for the sake of argument he’s going to try to show that Travis was no longer a threat at that point. That the stabbing wasn’t necessary for self-defense, because he was no longer a physical threat to her. Problem is, this is the point is where her memory ends.
He just did it gain,tried to make say that TA said”fuc***g kill you bit**” when exiting the shower!!! Do you have memory problems Mr Martinez???? I was soooo relieved when Jodi corrected him and said ”no,he said you’r a fuc**g idiot a fuc**g 5-year old can hold a camera better than you”
Yes…she corrected him! So, is Martinez maybe forgetting or is he doing this on purpose? I think he might be getting some thinfs fixed up. What about the finger?
definitely on purpose!!
Yes she is doing well considering all issues Martinez seems to be bringing to the courtroom day in and day out. Hard to believe this guy has a good reputation as a lawyer!
I wish she would have stated very strongly that the last thing she remembers is him yelling at her “I’ll fucking kill you bitch”. That would have made more of an impact than just saying things start to get foggy at that point.
Ok evening express did show Jodi showing Martinez n the jury the linebacker position TA took before the gunshot. So, was he shot when he was that far from her or after he touched her???
Aww to hell with HLN ………..she never said it was a CONTACT SHOT………..he was coming at her an she shot but did not think she really did. I can see all what she says happening an to HELL with them that can’t see it an want to make up their own story an that goes for the Family too that want DEATH an nothing LESS. Jodi would have took a plea the FAMILY said NO they want DEATH. All of this because they want to keep on that Travis was the perfect Mormon Man always perfect. Sorry I have a brother like that an I would not condone his behavior of disrespecting women. I am sorry some people think they need too when it is not so.
looks like JM is confusing not only Jodir but me…I thought he asked Jody about that finger today when it originally happened …she said she hit her head on June 4th…I had errands to do today before I could watch…thank God…. I would be in a straight jacket if I had watched the whole day…
FINALLY Holly Hughes a voice OF REASON!
ADMITS the autopsy photos SHOWS SELF DEFENSE!
Curious… how did they say the autopsy photos SHOW self defense?
Holly said the wounds on the bottom of TA’s feet SHOWS that there was a ‘hand to hand’ combat between TA and JA!
Yup Michelle, thats what I was watching. Makes a whole lot of sense. They’re finally catching up!
Holly also went on to say that IF this was a premeditated murder, getting there at 3am, why not just wait for TA to go to sleep, put 6 shots into him, slide the gun back into your purse and leave?
Exactly. Holly is making too much sense.
Oh, that’s the lady in purple on HLN?
Theres a blond lady on evening express saying it cant be premeditated….. that she had to be fighting the fight of her life!!! Yes!!! I hope the jury is thinking the same way….
I seen that TOO an I WAS SO HAPPY to finally see a person with the RIGHT ANSWER ON HLN !!
Earlier when he played that sound bit about 4 times and was thinking that she was talking about shaving the day TA died. If you listen to it she says he used the shaving photo on his My Space Page…so obviously it wasnt that day!!
the shell casing could have been accidentally kicked onto the blood spot later during the stabbing.
I may be overly confident, but I think JM is making the case for the defense here. I’m not concerned about some of her supposed “slip ups” as some are. I think he is NOT proving premeditation whatsoever, so I hope he closes today so we can move on. She has suffered enough!
OMG MEL ITA!
I wish more people would turn off these talking heads and do their own research.(I watch on line) More and more the media take on the roll of cheerleader for the lynch mob. I see this as a crime, too many people are sheep and take what ever the media says as the truth. Very foolish and dangerous in my opinion. I say FACTS should speak for themselves and if they don’t there is a problem. I see BIG problems with this case, and trying to confuse her and get her to say things she does not mean makes him look bad not her! Don’t even get me started on this biased judge!
I really can’t watch much online video as I have HUGHES NET satellite in the country so it uses mbytes really fast an we only get so many a day to use. So I have to leave on the news either regular or HLN but truly I am not a sheep. I researched an found this site as I was tired of being the lone sheep on the FB pages that were only for Travis even tho it was a HLN page people would jump on me like vultures ripping me apart saying I was a MAN HATER bla bla bla there was no way to change anyones point of view in discussion I tried there are a lot of sheep it is very sad but sometimes you may run across one you throw doubt an they see what you see.
I was in noway calling you or ALL people who watch network TV sheep,I say people repeat what they heard on these programs as the Gods honest truth, I have learned they are not there to tell us the truth, but to get ratings. I am saying there are a lot people who are sheep!
I know she has to testify about what she remembers but it feels so pointless because where the camera was or wasn’t has nothing to do with premeditation. Unless he is trying to prove she was some deranged killer who want to keep a visual record of his death.
That’s what Nancy Grace said, saying that she “took her own crime scene photos” like those crazy serial killers that keep a visual record of their handiwork.
But the nature of the photos do not show deliberate or methodical record taking; they show accidental snapshots during the struggle which indicates lack of premeditation.
oh Geez,.. Those were accidental photos.
Thank goodness I don’t have cable! What jackasses!
Just a few observations
I plan to never get involved in a crime because by now I would have been a basketcase. Jodi has big balls to have withstood a cross examination like this.
Martinez’s voice gets higher and speeds up as he gets more frustrated and angry, very amusing.
Too bad we couldn’t get a glimpse into the future and see what Jodi has saved society from in taking TA from this world. Abusing his children, both physically and sexually, cheating on every woman he would ever be with because he has proved he is not capable of being faithful. Spreading STD’s due to his inabliity to be faithful.
TA was a narcissistic, materialistic jerk who finds more importance in his posessions than his relationships. He also thought he was God’s gift to women.
Just because Jodi enjoyed her sexual escapades with TA does not make her a bad person. Humans are sexual beings.
TA made her fall in love with him. He obviously found it very important to make sure that she enjoyed sex with him. He tempered this with bouts of physical violence and verbal and emotional abuse. He would do sweet, thoughtful things, like when he left the Cinnabon package on the hood of her car. Then call her a slut or a whore… very inconsistent behaviour.
Even in spite of the way TA treated her, Jodi found it hard to stay away from him, obviously because there were many good times.
HLN should be ashamed of the way they are reporting this. They are blatently biased and excited when they think Martinez has made any headway, and ignore the many victories that Jodi has enjoyed.
I feel I owe an apology to Casey Anthony because I followed her trial on HLN and completely fell for everything they were saying. I feel almost ashamed that I did that, and also feel fearful that they have this much influence on viewer’s opinion.
When this is over, I have great concern for what will happen to Jodi, based on the way she has been crucified in the media. I believe in my heart that she will be found not guilty.
Hang in there Jodi, you are doing a wonderful job!
I’m very glad I found this site!
No need to feel ashamed Bev. Many people have been duped by HLN. Hopefully more and more people will come to the same conclusion that you did.
i agree with everything you said regarding hln’s ridiculously biased portrayal of this case and casey anthony’s case. i know youre upset and heated, but i also dont think its fair to feel grateful that travis was killed.. this was a tragic event on every level, he was not perfect, she is not perfect, but they BOTH deserved life. i get so upset watching this trial, but then i look at travis’s family sometimes, and i see the pain in their eyes, and i come back to the realization that this case is heartbreaking overall. no one wins.
I don’t think anyone said we should be grateful that TA was killed. I certainly don’t think that. I believe everyone has the right to live and no one should die in such a horrible way. I do believe that one of them was going to die that day and that Jodi had no choice but to do what she did.
Beautiful post, thank you for sharing!
BevM Martinez High Pitched Voice is so grating As Mayor of Munchkin City. The guy twist and misquotes adds and then subtracts stuff and she should answer yes or no? We all know what she meant by a line backer bent over in that position.
WHY DOES NURMI NOT OBJECT TO HIM REFERRING TO THIS AS A “MURDER”
how can we tell Nurmi not to allow Juan to refer this to a murder???? it is a killing, yes. shit.
It is a murder…………done in self defense yes but still a murder.
no, its not! I am in college pursuing a degree in criminal justice, and the definition of murder is:
Murder is the unlawful killing, with malice aforethought, of another person, and generally this state of mind distinguishes murder from other forms of unlawful homicide (such as manslaughter). As the loss of a human being inflicts enormous grief upon the individuals close to the victim, and the commission of a murder is highly detrimental to the good order within society, most societies both present and in antiquity have considered it a most serious crime worthy of the harshest of punishment.
I emailed Ms. Willmott with this. I would have objected every time.
jodi could NOT have been thinking correctly, OR done this premed. becos WHY would she take pix? WHY put in wash? IF PREMED, SHE WOULD HAVE TAKEN THE CAMERA WITH HER! unless that was just many mistakes. but mistakes, etc. gives lil marti to make up a story of his own.
For 4 yrs, the state’s theory was that Arias shot Alexander, and then she attacked him while he looking at the wounds in the mirror. Now that theory has changed. I think the jury should know about this. Nurmi needs to bring it up again and again.
Trixel,
On important items that I’ve heard, like this one in your post, I’ve emailed it to Ms. Wilmott’s office. I really didn’t want to put this on here for fear people will overwhelm her office with trivial items. Hopefully that won’t happen.
Great idea Jodie : )) thanks from all of us.
I wonder how often the media will bring up the fact that the state changed it’s story at least once during this case?
does Martinez not understand the meaning of being in a “FOG”
My gawd, I surely hope that JM gets this over today.
Here we go………..throwing down the ugly photos.
I’m not sure he will….seems stalled on insignificant events or supposed events , taking up a lot of time.
i think he wants jury to think about all this til next week, so he’ll stretch it out thru friday, mo
I remember reading somewhere that hair gives the illusion of growing because the skin pulls back from dehydration. Or something like that. Maybe that’s why?
No the photo of where TA is standing up in the shower not a photo post mordum.
Oooh ok! Nevermind I’m confused lol
lol thats OK. Do you see the hair in the shower photo they showed Jodi in court?
No, it might have been when I had a glitch on my tv (one laptop is hooked up to the tv, and I switch back and forth between feed and cable news)
Jm is trying to imply that TA was shaven, and Jodi was lying by saying that it felt rough when he went down on her that day. Not sure where he’s going with that … maybe implying they didn’t have sex?
Ok I googled the pics – yes he has a five oclock shadow!
Altering of the scene still doesn’t prove premeditation. Far too many mistakes for a bright girl to have planned this ahead of time as the ankle biter again discusses the gas cans.
Oh my…. she cant even look at these pictures!!!
She should just say, “I DONT REMEMBER! “
Nurmi could be doing better.
He has no problem flashing those photos! His poor family, they are affected as much as Jodi. He has no heart
That family wants DEATH an no LESS they have stated that on blogs. They know what has to be done to get it I am sure an that means dragging Travis around the court room. Jodi put in a plea they said no to a plea they want Death period an to be able to watch Jodi die.
I still feel their pain at seeing these pictures and I certainly don’t condone their blood lust, (I myself don’t believe in the death penalty) BUT pain is pain and because they feel one way and I feel another is not a reason for me to not acknowledge their pain.
Yes that is true too it would be painful if it was my brother like they like to tell everyone I guess I am a different type I would not condone something my own brother did. Yes I love my brother but if this ever happened in his life the way my own brother treats women I would not be there. I guess that is mean to some people. This type of behavior out of a young man does not just happen with one woman it is just other woman will not stand up an tell the truth for they are too ashamed.
That is sad…I thought they were religious isnt that aganst the Godly way.
jm, ” just win, baby” …like most DA’s.
Nurmi should be jumping in at this point to help her out.
I agree Nurmi should be jumping in.
I agree, but the judge keeps overruling!
True. I am no lawyer, but some of her overulings are not right.
That is WHAT I have been saying SHE did not know for sure if she even shot him. The gun went off. So she don’t know exactly how close he was when the gun went off because he was taking her DOWN at the same time.
This is one nasty, disgusting man. His job is to seek justice, not to mock Jodi, or humiliate her. He’s sneering and loving making her cry and breaking her down.
He certainly can’t be endearing himself to the jury.
jm, most da’s “just win baby”
OMG. this stupid idiot. I remember nothing of my car accident, but people told me of what I did and how I told them to save my sons life, I gave them info, phone numbers, etc So even thought you don’t remember, you still do what is necessary.
or if you are in a fog you still do “normal” stuff.
I agree, I had a minor car accident a few years back and did not remember much till I went back to the scene, it’s like your mind shuts down during trauma and you almost go into auto pilot.
15 years later I do not remember. I remember where I was at before the accident but it was not the same spot the accident happened. I lost my son that day and almost lost another son. The doctors said it was a good thing I do not remember.
Annie I am so sorry for your loss. in 96 my boyfriend was driving and we hit a tree straight on. I remember what was playing on the radio and the headlights flashing up in the tree on the leaves, I remember him saying,”oh shit.” at the last moment as the the passenger side was heading straight for the tree, he jerked the car to the right so that the major impact hit his front side. I don’t remember getting out of the car, I just remember being on the ground and trying to find him. My upper thigh was cut by the floor board coming all the way up into the passenger seat and if I had not been in the fetal position I would have loss both legs. I don’t remember a van of men stopping and helping me look for him, I thought he had taken off walking looking for help, I vaguely remember seeing his fingers sticking out thru the back window, I do not remember crawling back into the car or refusing to get out. I don’t remember the fire dept having to use the jaws of life to cut me out of the back seat. I have a fragment of memory of holding his head in my lap, the men from the van told the Hwy ptrlmn that he hit so hard that the back of his head was gone and that I was covered in his blood and grey matter. I just remember seeing a lil bit of blood coming out below his ear. it was the most traumatic event in my life but apparently I told the EMT’s andHwy patrol my name, phone number and next of kin and his name, and next of kin. I even told the HWY patrol that his mother would be home alone and that her best friend lived next door and someone should get the neighbor before they went to tell her. I remember none of this but it was like being on auto pilot , so I remember the events that happened before the wreck, as the wreck happened but hardly anything right after but start having memory of everything later that morning in the hospital. I wasn’t trying to hide anything, my brain knew my heart could not handle all the graphic stuff and I blacked it or blocked it all out until later that morning.
Same here but I lost days, I still carried on conversations with people. Can’t remember for hours before or days after (more like a week) Never regained any of it!
I was hit by a car at age 11 and to me its like remembering a dream, very surreal.
WOW! I know this happens but hearing about it is very interesting. You still gave out numbers and everything. It’s amnesia. why don’t they just call it that in court?
This is getting painful to watch, can we say that Martinez’ cross is ‘overkill’, no pun intended, time to end this, JM isn’t even getting any coherent answers from her anymore, Jodi’s just agreeing with him probably to shut him up, this is a disaster!
Amen – he has 15 minutes to end his cross. Oh gosh, please end today, PLEASE!
Yeah. And what WTF is all about the checkpoint. Holy crap! Who cares.
He’s trying to break her down, and it isn’t succeeding at all. It must be frustrating to him.
Bev what a great post. I too watched the Casey Anthony trial on In Session and HLN. I too believed the streis and was like so many and hated Casey Anthony based on lies told by the media and I too owe her an appology.
I also feel scared for Jodi when she is released based on what Casey has went through and continues to go through. I have sent Jodis sister a message that if needed I can help provide her a place to stay far from Arizona!!
I cringe to think what if that was my child up on that stand…..my heart breaks!! No matter what the talking heads think they need to show a ittle class for Jodis family.
I wonder if there are any little boys who TA actually got his hands on. Only time will tell on that.
I am also greatful for this page thank you SJ
casey should have just admitted, ACCIDENT!
Again JM proves the defenses point. She wasn’t deceptive to friends until after TA died.
Asked and answered. She lied to cover up the event. How does this prove premeditation mr. unlikable?
Exactly. They can’t, if going by the law, find for premeditation.
Can’t wait until Nurmi can do his re-direct.
Me three, can’t wait n hopes he comes with BANG!!
me too
If this was premeditation, wouldn’t she have planned it bettter?
Yes, and she is a very bright girl. If JA did this with premeditation, it would have been done entirely different.
That is what makes this absurd. She would have shot him in his sleep.
She had to try to convince him to take her to Cancun first. Didn’t work so she begins her plan B of killing him.
Why haven’t her attorneys advised her to say as little as possible on the stand . She’s saying to much which gives Jm a reason to go on and on with his bs.
She is at this point. Once she has become this emotional she needs to try and say less except that JM will have portions of a question that is correct and another portion that isn’t making it difficult
Many questions can’t be answered with a simply “yes” or “no,” and that’s why JM gets even more pissy acting.
agree, offering TOO MUCH!
I do not think she is getting a fair trial. This is a fight for her life. .Her attorneys are not doing their job. And to top it off they have not been giving her lunch. How can she function and answer all these rapid fire questions if she can’t think straight. Absolutely no excuse for that. Nurmi is out of his league.
omg we know she covered it up. We know she lied. When know she killed him in self defense (why else would there be stab wounds on his hands)
And feet
“she killed him in self defense (why else would there be stab wounds on his hands)”
Wounds to his hands show that he tried to defend himself.
Not necessarily he could have been trying to get knife to kill her
Yep. Defensive wounds prove there was a struggle thats all.
Hi I’ve been watching the trial and reading the posts here for a few weeks now. It’s my hope that the Jodi gets less than second degree murder. I don’t know that everything she saying is true on the stand but I think the sob got what he deserved! He yanked her chain one too many times if you ask me! I really think the video of TA shoot the assault rifle will do his ass in. When I first saw it , he looked like a smart ass bully to me!
He is doing a good job at bringing the dramatics but I still dont think its enough for premeditated murder.
Hurry this up…………………
it wasn’t her attempt to “stage the scene!” IMHO, she was in love with him, and did not want to believe it. Death is a shock. Relationships breaking up are a shock. JM has her by the throat and she is baiting it. 🙁
This should be close to the ankle biters cross
Yea… Martinez working for the defense again???
And he’ll finish with the no jury wll convict me!!! Of course! ! Lol
He won’t end it today .. It will drag on Monday.
why, they off friday?
Yea, they always are for some reason.
No court on Friday.
I have a bad feeling you’re right Jake.
I’m trying to follow, but honestly, Martinez lost me on day one of his cross.
Circles as Jodi stated…
He’s going around and around and around like a dog chasing its tail, and he is getting nowhere.
Oops too soon. He has to keep going because he can’t stop himself.
If I didn’t know better we have now gone into a re-loop of the cross…….ugh
Second verse, same as the first.
oh, SJ, cant you make a “like” button on here?? 🙂
How many times does he have to ask her over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over if she enjoyed the sex.
I’m ready to scream. I can’t take him another day, seriously.
because he himself has never ever, ever, ever enjoyed it, and therefore cannot believe it is possible ? He is such a slime ball.
Her email to him was loving goodbye and denial. Soooo not premeditation but shows she loved this person. She hoped it wasn’t real.
The experts will explain this denial type behavior I’m sure.
Martinez will lose any ground he’s covered, if there is any at all.
Yes he hammered her version of events not his theory.
Kermit is trying to so hard to have the “smoking gun” moment, but he’s just rehashing the same shit over and over again…shit that Jodi has already explained.
I can see why he has a good record…Jodi is an unusually sharp witness and doesn’t fall for any of his traps. I bet a number of other people who faced him on the stand did fall for them. He’s not some brilliant lawyer – it’s all smoke and mirrors.
No smoking gun. And they have not proved premeditation. This judge should dismiss the DP charge now.
Yup, I agree Kira. Shes probably the hardest case his had so far.
He is just a nasty little schoolyard bully. You know how it goes, some people bend and break under a bullies hammering, and others… do not. I hope Jodi comes out as one of the others.
I hope he loses sleep and tosses and turns over it.
Also.. if he does lose… I feel really bad for the NEXT woman he has to prosecute!
HE’S DONE!!!!!!!
omg, he is done??? Is he really finished?
Hooray………………….he did close, right?
Right!And he didnt prove premeditation,RIGHT?And we all agree that he is a cheap,cheap,little man,YES or No?RIGHT? (by the way I’ll never be able to utter or think of that word the same way…Martinez really ruined it for me lol)
Is he over with Cross? Missed that last sentence from him.
Thank you judge I have nothing else.
“I don’t have anything else, thank you.”
That doesn’t mean Martinez is done with cross or does it?
He’s done with X
There will be re-X by her defence counsel to clarify anything arising from the X, but I don’t think JM will get another go at JA directly. He may however still call rebuttal witnesses to counter any facts presented in defence evidence, once they are all through.
Sorry, MB is correct above – redirect is by her own counsel, re-X is by JM again thereafter, to deal only with any new material raised in the redirect.
Yes, now it’s going to go into redirect. He can question her again though.
He’s done. He said “I don’t have anything else, Your Honor.”
Oh myyyy gooodd thank god!!! He had to finish with the, no jury would convict me, huh!!! Well at least the worst part is over for Jodi!!!
Whats thus hearing abouts? ?
“I don’t have anything else, your Honour.”
He just gave up all of a sudden, looks like JA pretty well wore him out!
OMG thankfully the ankle biter stopped. Nurmi will turn this around on re-direct. Fortunately, the defense has other witnesses after JA so won’t be so fresh in the juror mind. I’m sure there was a big sigh from the jury too…..ahhhh
He hammered her version of the story and the jury is walking away knowing she’s admitted to lying, LOVED Travis and didn’t want to admit to herself and everyone these horrible events occurred.
Thank God!
I thought this would never end! I need a drink!
Make it a double!
You know, Tina… that sound nice. I think, ill have a drink for Jodi today! Lol
whats going on now?
What is this? ?? The Phoenix AZ making the trial pubic, shes not receiving a fair trial??? If this is the case, it IS TRUE!
OMG! The news want to cash in more. Shame on them!
Yup… I agree its all about money!!! It looks like to that that the Phoenix AZ newspaper want to transcripts of the CLOSED HEARING. They will print it out n people will buy the newspaper, making them lots of money!!! Not caring about the consequences, what can these transcript hold??? They can be damaging to people’s lives, witnesses and to Jodis life.
I think the media is petitioning to have the transcripts of the Feb. 20 hearing released.
Kira – what was this hearing about??
What was the Feb hearing about??
The judge is like, “STFU, you vultures are getting enough.”
Have they ever heard of mind your own business? ?? I blv we’ve all seened enough! !!
And because of his nosey ass, now Jodi will miss her dinner!!! Lol im sorry, but I hate to know that shes missing out on her meals!
He did it on purpose. Rat Bastard.
nothing to be sorry about LC.I ‘m constantly thinking about her not being fed.I’ve caught myself feeling guilty on a couple of occassions when eating,I was like shi* ,here I am stuffing my mouth with delicious food and poor Jodi gets nothing for lunch.may sound silly but that’s how I feel.Plus,I keep thinking how glad I am that she won that singing contest back on Thankgiving so at least she got to eat a proper Thankgiving meal that day. 🙁
Yes, I’m still pissed about that too. I don’t care if it’s twice or two hundred times, she needs to eat like everyone else!
Omg this is unbelievable! Has this ever happened before? ? Wow
Denied again??
Oh god, I cringe when Martinez showed the clip again of JA stating “No jury would ever convict her” . Im concerned they will feel taunted and therefore stay on the jurors minds. :-/
I bet it will be the last thing he plays before the Jury deliberates.
JA was doing well I think by showing emotion. She loved him and it seemed as though she was hit with overwhelming memories of their good times past and things they planned for the future. It all hit her while reading the email. I think that brought the jurors in. So when Martinez played that clip right after…. I think pushed them away again. Ugh.
I’ll take that bet too Bystander! Kermit can be THAT cheap,that’s for sure!
He did that to spite her.
I believe her when she says that she was going to kill herself. When I first watched it, a shadow crossed her eyes, and I wondered what that was. So when she explained it, I had no doubt at all.
I have breen watching the trial since I got home from work and have had to leave the room and do something else for awhile at times, as I can only take so much of this prosecutor. JM is really badgering Jodi and trying to twist her words. Firing questions off rapidly and saying or asking the same thing over and over again in different ways is also a great strategy to mess someone up, even the most innocent person. Poor Jodi. She’s on trial for what she did-okay, that’s understandable and necessary. But what isn’t is the way the prosecutor is badgering her; there’s no need for these kinds of tactics and treatment in an American court.Then, on top of this, she’s getting crucified by the media who already condemned her on national television and print even before the trial began and just keep piling it on.
My 2 cents: JM will use the same technique with the experts that he has with all the previous witnesses (including his own). It will prove to be equally ineffective/counter productive for his case. If I were Nurmi, I would not redirect Jodi. That will shut down JM’s opportunity to recross. But that’s just me. So far it doesn’t appear that Nurmi needs advice from me or anyone else…although that may be because he is more self critical than his opponent who would benefit immensely from it.
So what remains next week? I am sure there is a schedule but cannot find.
The media reminds me of a bunch of vultures who keep attacking and enjoy watching the attack of Jodi suffer. They seem to enjoy watching her suffer and they are hoping she will get the death penalty. This is so sick! This is pure evil. It breaks my heart to see someone in so much pain and trying to be strong. She looks completely exhausted mentally and physically. The prosecutor is not making his point with me. He is making me angry at him to the point I wish he would just shut up and sit down now. I am pretty sure that at least one person in that jury feels the same way I do. These people, the prosecutor, the media, and the public are so judgmental and completely one sided that how could this case be fair to her. This is disgusting.
Its not fair. Isn’t that grounds for a mistrial?
It truly is. I cannot turn on the TV anymore. I will get on ABC15 to watch and occasionally look at Twitter. Seeing the hags and vipers on HLN got to me so bad I had to leave the house for fresh air. That NG is especially disgusting in particular.
Does the jury have access to all of the one sided media opinions?
We are trusting them to go home an live a normal LIFE with NO TV no PUTER an NO NEWSPAPERS hahaha no sequester here it costs too much to put them up for that long so everyone is just TRUSTED.
Of course, they are “trusted”. Ha.
That being said, I am glad there is this site. I think it is the only forum on the net for those that have reason to doubt her being guilty.
I just assummed that because someones life is on the line in this case that the jury would most certainly be sequestered! It will be impossible for her to get a fair trial.
And come on AZ isn’t broke. They wouldnt have to house them in the Hilton.
From my understanding, they go home every night since they are not sequestered (they should be IMHO) but are forbidden to watch anything related to the trial on the TV, Phone, Internet, etc.
Of course, nothing is stopping them from turning on HLN or having family members talk to them. I don’t believe that out of 12-18 people not one would be tempted to turn on the news.
Well if there is one SNOOP JUROR I hope they do like I did an GOOGLE an find this site an SNOOP around then. I guess I am not that trusting to feel each JUROR would be so faithful an not snoop somewhere just once or not talk a family member about it either.
That is why I feel this should go to mistrial. I know it would be hard NOT to look or listen or ward off the people trying to tell you what you are not supposed to know… but this is an explosive, sexual, infamous trial, and you KNOW that at least half of them have been doing all of the above.
I assumed this jury was sequestered given the publicity. Finding out differently gives me concern for Jodi. This does not look good. I’m shocked.
I know it is horrible. I searched an found this site by accident an have not gone back to see what they say anymore it was truly depressing me to think there are so many sheep I tried to sway some but there is no budging on that they HATE an want DEATH. I feel good if I could get one to change their mind tho. But I tried. I am not against the Death Penalty but in this case I am SELF DEFENSE is not a Death Penalty case to me.
I agree Rhonda. Im glad I found this site too. Any others its impossible to say anything backing JA . Its as though its being purposely done. Mass censorship. It is disturbing on many levels.
It is I don’t know why they are doing that. At one time that Jane the red headed older woman she seemed to be on Jodi’s side there for a few days an then wham over night she was just like the rest of them?? It seems like they have to do that or be fired ? why else out of that many people there should be just 1 at least maybe 2 that actually have seen this type of mental abuse before? maybe they all lead sheltered special fantasy lives tho seems like it.
I am glad I found this site as well. I once tweeted something regarding an acquittal, and received death threats of my own. People are out for blood, and it is scary. It is truly scary because it is the media that is out for blood, when they should be two-sided.
I am not against the death penalty either – it is certainly warranted in some cases of premeditated murder. And i’ve admitted before on this site that I KNEW she was 100% guilty of pre-medidated murder, but that was ONLY because I was watching HLN and other sources (they aren’t the only ones to blame). It only took some investigating and a look at the facts to realize the truth that this case is.
Holy crap Bella is that you on Chris William’s page? And a couple others, if I’m reading right (I don’t do Twitter, so I’m only guessing). Nicely done!
Sorry to hear about you having pneumonia, hope that clears up asap.
hi, ya its me…
I get a little snarky sometimes… he is a sanctimonious pompous horses ass. I am biting my tongue in ½ to not shred him.
lol I know what you mean!
I dunno. It can go pretty far in a juror’s mind about just how far someone will go and lie about it.
I’ve heard of cases here in GA where the jurors aren’t even sure that the defendant was even THERE at the time of the murder, no physical evidence at all, and still they convicted. Just because “They were pretty sure he/she knew something about it”. Well, that’s brilliant. Since you know that someone is shot every two minutes, does that mean that we should convict you?
Also, I don’t see why the defense team isn’t putting her finger through an XRay machine and calling in a medical expert to confirm how long the finger has been broken. They can tell. I went to a doctor once when I was about thirteen. He said to my mom, “Wanna know how tall he’s gonna be? 5’11”-6′.” Guess how tall I am. 5’11”. If medical experts can tell ya that, they can tell how long the finger has been broken.
I dunno though. I thought that Casey Anthony was gonna go to jail even though they didn’t have the evidence to convict her. So, I dunno. I mean, it seems to me that the prosecution proved the defense’s claim of self defense for them.
“You slept with him, right?”
“Yes.”
“You didn’t kill him yet, right?”
“That’s correct.”
“He basically raped you, right?”
“Uhh, I wouldn’t put it that way.”
“And then you killed him all because he went absolutely batshit insane on you, right?”
“Pretty much.”
Wow, gee, great offense.
There’s a clip shown in court where Insp Flores leans over and gets a real close look of Jodi’s finger because she had a cut on it, I think she even describes it as bony and hard. If her finger were broken on June 4 there’d be no way for her to hide it, would there?
Possibly. I’m no medical expert, but I think that a good month after the killing, I think the finger would’ve healed itself. That’s part of the prosecution’s case though. That she hurt it while killing TA.
A simple X-Ray could prove that wrong.
I was just think about this when they replayed the question about going down the stairs. I think she knew if she went down the stairs he could corner her…but if she ran to the closet there were two was out TWO doors to get away if he caught her in the closet.
Yah, she could at least play pickle with him and have a chance at getting away, instead of getting caught 5 feet from the door.
EXACTLY!!!
Oh, and another thing that bothers me… At the moment after he body slammed her, don’t you think that some type of valuation should be brought up of the camera? In other words, wouldn’t this materialistic guy go back and check on his camera, instead of the woman that he just slammed into the ground?
I agree. I was thinking that also after she dropped it she would naturally go closer to the shower too see if it was ok an that is when he was cussing her an stepping out of the shower an body slammed her. That JM was trying to say you would not be that close to be body slammed standing away taking a photo. GEEZ ! common sense tells you that you would be stepping forward to pick up the camera you dropped ! an closer then to TRAVIS who was highly PISSED.
JM was trying to trick JA again with that line of questioning…when her mind went into that “fight” or “flight” response at this point trying to defend herself…her mind would be sending out signals to her body…and her body would then immediately start into that adrenaline state…her mind at this point will not be thinking rationally…she would not be able to rationalize which stairs to go down to save her life…her mind has triggered her body to go into a survival mode…google has much interesting things to read in relation to “fight” or “flight” response….and adrenaline states…thanks…
Ya his bag of tricks really aren’t that good. I hope the jury see’s that.
Wait Wait on HLN they are saying when she was crying she moved her ringer finger and her pinky and looked out…When she did that moved her rring finger and pinky her eyes where CLOSED!!! On HD TV is shows her eye closed very very clear
so let me get this straight,are they saying she tried to peek and take a look at the autopsy photo?umm,were they watching the same trial?Are they deranged???That woman was suffering that moment,cryingher eyes out she even removed her glasses…Never mind,you know,that comment makes those people even more sick than i thought they were.
They are so dumb for real I could see her hands shaking,quivering an her bent finger moved as she was crying harder not on purpose. What a bunch of jerks they see what they want to see it makes me ill.
Yes they were saying she had a morbid curiosity and had to take a look at the pic even though she was crying
well,just because they are perverts and morbid voyeurs doesnt mean that the rest of the world is!
Jennifer…do you remember when NG was on Dancing with the Stars…one night she put her hand on her abdomen and then she farted…it was heard thru the microphone…it was posted many places on google…and she still denied it with a smile on her face…and on another night her dress fell down exposing the top of her breast nipple…the photos appeared on a mother website…And the news folks didn’t make any mountains out of molehills for NG fart and nipple accidents…
Even though she killed him in self defense she can still feel BAD about it……She loved him and didnt want to take his life so yes contrary to HLNs talking head she can still feel remorse !! How stupid are those people.
havent we all said nasty things to people we love and then felt remorse and guilt for having said them?Now,imagine how it must feel to know you actually killed someone you deeply loved(and still love imo)!Yes,she’s full of remorse,guilt and deep down wishes this is just nightmare from which she will wake up.i dont expect the haters to get that!Apparently they have no brain with which to proccess such information!
Well they are stupid enough to believe that consciousness of guilt somehow proves premeditation; when there’s zero evidence to support that. They are also still stupid enough to believe that Jodi was a stalker with evidence to the contrary was admitted into court; and they are stupid enough to believe that Travis was a virginal, upstanding mormon man before meeting Jodi.
I don’t normally use the word stupid, and I don’t usually call people stupid – but damn, stupidity is written all over those people.
I agree with that ! MB
I missed this afternoon because I had a HUGE headache from JM.
I will have to watch the tapes later.
It sounds, from what I am reading, that Jodi did well this afternoon.
yes,Nicole she did do well.But he did on the other hand manage to break her,I mean make her cry her eyes out,poor thing 🙁
thank god this is all over.I think Martinez got what he wanted,making himself look like a complete as***le,driving Jodi to the edge of her sanity and keeping screaming at her while she was frantically crying ”won’t you look at the photo again?” I dare evry single hter,partcularly the ones that wrote today that she’s going for ”an Academy Award” to come and tell me in the face that that woman was pretending and not utterly broken both mentally and physically during and after this testimony!
I said yesterday that he would close his cross-exam with a Grand Finale,guess the ”no jury will convict me” was the best thing he has???How many times can Jodi testify that she was lying???This is just a CHEAP act on his part to take the Jury on his side because he knows he blew it big time and did NOT prove premeditation!!!For example,he was trying soooo hard to make her say that whilst in the closet he had time to think reasonably to escape but she decided to stay and reach for the gun-uumm is he by any chance trying to CHANGE the State’s theory?It seems so!Where is the you-planned-it-weeks-before theory now?Out of the window I guess!!!otherwise why would he try so hard to make say that?Also,I’ve read here and on other FBpages that Martinez would tie it all up together.I barely see any tying up,honestly!
(Sorry for the long post,my computer played tricks on me and couldnt access the site while watching after the afternoon recess.)
I agree that he seemed to be trying to do an “if not that then THIS” tactic with the gun thing. I also think he tied nothing, not even his own shoes up today. I hope he goes home and drinks himself to sleep.
There’s no way to know if the casing landed like that, or if it got kicked there by accident after the struggle. Speculation is almost an understatement right now.
JM was trying to trick Jodi again with that line of questioning about the stairs to take…when her mind went into that “fight” or “flight” response at that point trying to defend herself…her mind would be sending out signals to her body…and her body would then immediately start into that adrenaline rush/state…her mind at this point will not be thinking rationally…she would not be able to rationalize which stairs to go down to save her life…her mind has triggered her body to go into a survival mode…her mind and body at thist point is pretty much operating on it’s own…at a later time she may remember some or all or none of what happened…the MIND is a powerful tool in the human body….google has much interesting things to read in relation to “fight” or “flight” response….and adrenaline states…thanks…
When will the jury get to ask her their questions?
The jury doesn’t get to ask questions.
YES the jury DOES get to ask questions scrappy!
Jurors get to ask their questions AFTER the prosecution re-cross Jennifer
One of the things that I keep thinking about-If TA was the one who survived would he have ever went to trial? Isn’t it possible he was setting up this scenario that JA was a problem, stalking, slashing tires, etc so that if she was found dead in his home, he could explain it away? JA did know things about TA that none of his closest friends or family knew.
WOW!! I never thought of that!! Maybe that iswhy the gun was a secret and he was planning something!!
Travis sister…the one the news refers to as “rolling her eyes” during court each day…she is a police officer…maybe at some time Travis might have hinted to her that he would like a gun…sister getting brother a gun…would not be uncommon…
I did think of that too. He had more to protect than she did.
I don’t agree that things went well!
Yes, Martinez continued his cheap shots, and yes, he went nowhere on a few points (e.g., the whole shaving thing, which was based on his own misunderstanding of something Jodi said during the Flores interrogation), but …
After listening to Jodi’s testimony yesterday and today, I can only imagine that she killed him out of rage. He did and/or said something that day–the straw that broke the camel’s back–and she snapped.
I can’t see it any other way. The self-defense claim isn’t making sense. It’s not making sense, even if the whole ordeal began when he lunged at her after she dropped the camera. With the gunshot to the head first, he would’ve been, at the very least, rapidly subdued. The group of stabbings to his back would not have been necessary for her own protection. Neither would the throat-slashing. Those wounds only make sense if she was angry-crazed, rather than in fear for her life.
I had thought she would eventually say something that would make sense of all of that. But, she hasn’t. Her memory lapse–yes, I know it happens to people in terrifying situations–is still dubious because of the very place where her memory ends: after the gunshot. The gunshot that should’ve subdued him–if not immediately–then quite quickly. It frees her from having to explain the other wounds.
But, I just don’t believe that she shot him first.
Isn’t anybody else having a lot of trouble with her testimony?
I do believe the gunshot came first and the wounds to the back have been mischaracterized. I have worked with some well known pathologists and also in an inner city trauma center and would have to go to er and work on occasion. One time, a women had been brought in with a gunshot wound from a 38 to the middle of her forehead. She was very much alive and very much awake, although I’m not sure if she was aware of where she was, she was still in the flight mode and trying hard to get away. She did end up living. So just from my personal experiences, I think that JA’s testimony fits the evidence, but I do have a problem with her getting him in the shower and the cut throat.
Ps. I didn’t believe the ME. and the way he answered JW on cross I didn’t like. He Icouldn’t explain his theory very, it was if I’m the DR and thats why, so don’t question me.
Agree… Today wasn’t a good day for JA. I believe something TA did that day set her off. The over kill & cover up are the problem.
Actually no. A buck and a quarter woman vs a two hundred pound guy? Not in the least. No way she could have gotten in more than two stabs before he got the knife from her and subdued her.
Agreed with you, Chris… no way!
What I think happened is this.
She was shooting him in the shower, and things weren’t really going well. TA, the prick that he is, starting degrading her. She drops the camera, he gets out, telling her that a five yo can hold a camera better than she can, she says something to the effect of, “Well, I have been taking photos longer than you.” He gets REALLY pissed and body slams her, with her head making a loud cracking sound as it bounces off the tile.
He goes back to look at the camera, meanwhile she rolls over and starts wandering off down the hall. He looks up sees her at the end of the hall, and starts running, meanwhile putting down the camera. She wanders into the closet and remembers that he has a gun. Gets the gun, shoots him. He says, “I’m going to f’ing kill you.” At this point she has no reason to deny that.
His pain is the only thing that convinces him to get off her, he wanders over to the sink. All the while degrading her. Calling her every name in the book (the C word may have been mentioned), telling her that the cops were gonna get ass, etc. She’s still delirious from the body slam, and she stabs him in the back and in the front (some). She then drags him over to the shower, where she continues her blind rage.
Sorry second line should be photo shooting him in the shower.
Yes you do have some valid points. I was never onboard with the self defense plea because of their relationship being abusive it of course was filled with opposing emotions that are very hard for people to understand the dynamics.
Im hoping that during redirect they will have experts to make sense out of the craziness. Maybe then the jury will have a better understanding of her actions as well as his.
I think the jury may strike a balance between premeditated murder and self-defense by convicting on murder 2. Just a feeling.
Do you know what sentence M2 carries? I think that was the original plea a couple years ago by the defense right and turned down by Mr. HappyPants? Wouldn’t it be a shame, all that money, time, embarrassment, craziness just to end up where it was 2 years ago. What a waste.
I think it’s 10-21 years?
Wow, piece of cake. Parole in 8, out for good behavior in 5 … by the time the appeals are done, she’ll be out on “time served.”
Women Rpeople2 says:
“Yes you do have some valid points. I was never onboard with the self defense plea because of their relationship being abusive it of course was filled with opposing emotions that are very hard for people to understand the dynamics.
“Im hoping that during redirect they will have experts to make sense out of the craziness. Maybe then the jury will have a better understanding of her actions as well as his.”
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Yes, the experts may be able to throw some light on Jodi’s actions as they relate to the dynamics of an abusive relationship. These psychological dynamics, as we know, are well-understood (though, we also know that they are widely and persistently denied, and that victims of battery, especially emotional, are not considered good witnesses to their own experiences–even after decades of consciousness-raising). With these prejudices and misconceptions alive and well, how much can experts help Jodi’s defense if Jodi isn’t telling the truth, under oath, about other things?
The thing is, to doubt her self-defense claim–to not be onboard with that plea– IS to doubt her very defense. A crime of passion (which is what this is looking like) is not the same as self-defense, though they have in common a lack of premeditation. The first means she was provoked into action while the second means she feared for her life. There may have been a legal reason, having to do with the years-long history of this case, for her counsel to have chosen self defense over “under the heat of passion,” and I wouldn’t pretend to know about any of that.
No matter the reason, if the events of June 4th are being molded into a shape that fits in with self-defense, that’s a problem. With her credibility. The jury is being asked to believe that she acted in self-defense, and Jodi’s testimony under cross examination isn’t fitting well with the evidence:
– Was there a rope? If not, there’s no reason for a knife to be in the bathroom/bedroom. At minimum, with doubt about the existence of the rope, there’s doubt that a knife was at-the-ready during her struggle.
– Did she shoot him first? If so, why was he able to verbally and physically threaten her after taking a bullet to the brain? I know this is a contentious issue, with many people doubting the ME’s testimony. But, when you put his opinion (no “meaningful” activity possible after the bullet perforated his frontal lobe) together with the lack of bleeding inside the skull, along with the clean casing on top of congealed blood, that’s a lot of forensic evidence to explain away! Occam’s razor applies: the simpler theory, that the other wounds came first, is better.
– Why the knife wounds to his back? Again, some people think those wounds could’ve been inflicted while he was on top of her, and, if I remember, the ME didn’t preclude this possibility, though he certainly didn’t support it either. Problem is, she has no memory of this, so she can’t explain how the stab wounds to his back happened during her self-defense.
– Her amnesia. There is a lot of doubt about this–and not because it doesn’t sometimes happen to people. It’s a suspicious claim because her memory abruptly ends at the point where there’s so much left to explain: the reason for the stabbing and throat-slashing, the clean-up of the scene (such as it was, including her putting items in the wash, and taking the rope with her), and how she got out of there, unseen by anyone, while covered in blood. Or not covered in blood, if she took the time to change her clothes and clean herself.
I mean, not being able to explain what has been routinely described as “overkill” makes her look guilty. Guilty of killing in a rage, maybe–but also, because she calls it self-defense, guilty of lying under oath.
My concern is that–and I fully admit to not knowing enough about murder trials, charges, burden of proof and instructions to the jury–my concern is that if the jurors think she’s lying about what happened on June 4th (the sequence of events, the amnesia, etc.) they will be more inclined to accept the prosecution’s theory, flimsy as it is, that she hopped into that rental car with a plan.
Honestly, no I don’t have any issues with her testimony. By now she is so discombobulated due to JM’s badgering, confusing line of questioning and fatigue from lack of sleep and food that she isn’t thinking straight. Who would be able to?
But I have a whole issue with this entire trial mainly because of;
1. the roomy Zach who kept changing his story (he did laundry on the 7th… no then he changed again
2. The smell; a friend of mine lived in a 5 story apt building and someone in the 2nd floor died. No one found him for two days. The stench – even after the body was removed – was horrendous! No one can live in that
3. Ashley Thompson called the police (anonymously) to report her husband may have been involved. She had a restraining order on him and was considering moving in with TA as a roommate but they decided not to b/c of looks (She posted on his FB very sexual and weird things which are linked to from another page here)
4. Ashley took back her suspicious (according to police) and now she’s dead. I believe she was 28 or 29 years old.
I sure would like to know how she past so early also. An it is very strange to me that I can’t remember which guy friend now but he is so into DEAD PEOPLE photos? wth ? that is weird unless that is your job or something. An I agree big time there is something very odd about the 2 roommates. Why the police did not see that I don’t know.
I didn’t hear how Ashley died, was it suspicious, an autopsy?
At first I had troubles with Zach’s testimony in Flores report, and thought wait a minute, what’s up here.
I then went back and reread it, and to me he wasn’t being sneaky but clarifying one cleaning task (his clothes) with another cleaning task (his room). Zach’s two statements happened during the same interview, the same day, within minutes.
“On Saturday Zach had the day off … ran a few errands … and THINKS he did laundry.”
At the end of that same interview, same day, Flores asks for clarification, based on Zach’s use of the word “THINKS”.
“Going back to the laundry, I asked Zach about the last time he did laundry. He had mentioned at the beginning of his interview (same interview/same day—minutes later) that he had done laundry on Saturday the 7th of June. He clarified he did laundry on Wednesday, the 4th and had cleaned his room on Saturday the 7th.”
Go to this post (link below) and look at the autopsy photos I linked to. The knife wounds on the back seem to be more like someone was slicing across the body than stabbing in to the body. I suspect at some point Travis knocked Jodi to the floor, got on top of her (or fell on top of her, whichever), and she was reaching around him slashing the knife across his back.
https://jodiariasisinnocent.com/the-flores-report-jodi-arias-is-innocent-june-4th-2008/#comment-19433
Dog, that’s exactly what it looks like in that picture, but the ME on the stand described them in a totally different way. And JM was hinting at that today also. I think they are mischaracterizing the evidence
And my question is WHY?
The defense expert ME’s are next, right? I mean, they can’t allow just one side to have the say on the exam, right?
I agree with you! 11 stab wounds were to the top of his back. I think he was on top of her and she was reaching over and stabbing him.
The medical examiner said that the cuts to the back were not deep and were likely done in rapid succession. He even said they could be from her reaching over his shoulders as he was attacking her. My theory is this was the first part of the attack (after the gunshot). She grabbed the knife and slashed until he let go. Then she went berserk and kept slashing. The throat cut was the same as the gashes on his head. Its from her frantically slashing with the knife, out of control.
Since its excessive it probably goes beyond self defense. I’m thinking voluntary manslaughter.
I think she shot him by accident, he fell on her she didn’t; realize he was shot he fell on her so she start stabbing him in the back first, pushed him of and then was in a rage all of her anger came out Fear & Anger Adrenaline. She could have also felt he was dying in Sin and spilled his blood so to speak in that crazy Mormon Blood Atonement ritual which calls for slitting the throat . The Mormon Cult the whole sexual deviant behavior and her history of abuse was just the catalyst for this.I do think the weird Sex affected her. Her relationship with him was very unnatural.
Ya I agree with all that too Oliviero
If you would like to know more about who all the siblings are that are sitting in the courtroom….google: Killing of Travis Alexander…read the wikipedia…it gives a narrative of the whole Alexander family and of Jody Arias…Both of Travis Alexander’s parents were drug addicts and are both deceased…Travis and his siblings were raised by the paternal grandmother who introduced them to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter -day Saints…In 2004 Travis Alexander moved to Mesa, Arizona where he purchased a home in a strong LDS community…(I didn’t know that all of them were Mormons…and that Travis lived in a Mormon community)
And if you look at TA blog, he describes a little bit of what his life was like until they went to live with the grandmother when he was 11. I think because of an abusive mother, he had issues with women. During my dating days, the one thing I would look at was how a man spoke about his mother, it’s very telling. Happy to say I married a man with a very good relationship and now going on 32 years together.
I have always heard that too ! how a man treats his mother is how good or bad a man he is? I do believe that is so true.
Rhonda I still think the same holds for Woman many of them who have abusive Fathers will marry an abuser. I think that is at the core of Jodis problems & of course Travis was abusive to her, and the whole Mormon thing.
Thats very true TB. It is very telling how a man will be with other women based on his relationship with his mother. Also the absence of TA’s father leaves room for other issues that at times can cause rage due to unsolved childhood pain. TA had issues no doubt but so did JA and unfortunatly many times is the reason why there is an attraction in the first place.
Like I’ve said before I can only hope the DM experts will be able to explain the dynamics. Its key to the defense.
Ya that is why I was reading up on all that Mormon stuff I am well educated on Joseph Smith now an how that all started I never knew all that stuff either.
He did have a horrible child hood from what I read on his blog on MY SPACE. He mother was very abusive an hit the children a lot. Never bathed much an were very poor. Had nothing to eat very often even. He was tormented in grade school. But he says his grandfather always told him he was special an to remember that an that is how he survived an then finally getting to go live with grand parents.
So now I wonder did Travis have a bad taste for woman because his mother beat him? an did drugs an did not feed them much. Do men that have horrid mothers usually treat woman horribly because they have no respect for them really ? but he did love his grandmother? so I don’t know how that effects men I think it depends on the man an his own brain tho each person is different as we all are as how we handle things differently later on in life.
ok, via TV… one ‘expert’ i think body lang., said jodi was smiling and smirking when her hands were covering her face! kust becos they saw her teeth?
now, mz disgrce said lil marti “finally cracked jodi…”.
not a good day for jodi, monday long way away…
oh, and i forgot… someone said this literally the longest cross examination since the Nuremberg trail.
she looked it up.ohh, someone on grace HUGO, STICKING UP FOR JODI!
Oh, don’t be too bothered about what those loons say. Jodi did as good of a job as she could have today. I swear that NG and her cohorts are watching a different trial because JM did NOT crack Jodi and the body language people are completely uncredible.
Funny how NG and her cohorts are all projecting their own psyche onto their interpretation of Jodi.
It says more about them than about Jodi.
Is the jury sequestered in Jodi’s trial?
No they arent but should be
No, they are only admonished not to see anything about this in the media.
Repost:
Yes, they may try to say that it was premeditated, because she brought the knife. Or course, they could also argue that she has alot of bravado. So, she brought a BB gun-like gun, but then Ms. Arias decided that it would not be challenging enough. So, she ditched the gun, and opted for something more challenging – like her fingernail. While El Traviso was suddsing himself with soapy bubbles, as he dramatically posed in the shower, Jodi planned to drop the camera, leap like a ninja through the air, and slash him with her bare fingernail. (I think it was painted pink, and not “red”, because if her nail was painted “red” they would detect that she is a murderer.) Unfortunately, while carefully plotting how she would take Travis down with one well lacquered fingernail, she discovered that it had cracked! OMG! What a bummer!
So, Jodi was forced to use a lame old knife. Still, a knife is alot better than a gun, because when you are full of bravado, and have bionic Jodi-like arms, you always need a little bit of a challenge, when taking down ex-wrestlers, with your bare hands. Obviously, as everyone can see, simply pulling a trigger would be way too boring, and way to safe. So, with some discontent, she took up the knife, instead. Still, I bet the prosecutor is sure that she had secretly wished to use her well lacquered fingernail (not painted “red”), rather than a knife, or even a gun – especially not a real gun, with real firepower. (By the way, did they ever try to accuse her of using “red” fingernail polish, yet?)
(Satirically written, for reasons that should be self-evident.)
Ben…Good point..thanks…
Thanks Ben!!! I loved this post on the other page!
I’m glad I’m not the only one who repeats!
thank you for bringing it here!
Ya I love that post too. Geez I hope they don’t bring up finger nail polish now I am surprised they have not or what color panties she had on that day.
LOLOL
(Cont.)
Anyway, Ms. Arias first disoriented Travis with a ninja-style kick right into the shower stall. Then, she picked him up with her bionic left arm, and began to juggle him, by pitching him up into the air, and catching him, like a tennis ball. Meanwhile, with her bionic right hand, Ms. Arias – the secret ninja woman – skillfully wielded the knife, while El Traviso was tossed up into the air, over and over. He was tossed approximately 27 times, as Ms. Arias employed her ninja skills, with the knife. It came out to about one toss, per jab.
Poor steroid-abusing, ex-wrestler El Traviso could do nothing to help himself, as he was no match for the ninja girl. He begged Ms. Arias to relent. But, she would have none of it. In a bid to stretch her legs, she ambled down the hallway, while juggling El Traviso in her left hand, and while skillfully wielding the knife against him with the right hand, each time he was tossed up into the air.
When she reached the end of the hallway, Ms. Arias saw that El Traviso was finished. So, she pitched him back through the hallway, and into the bathroom, with her bionic left hand. The pitch was much like an underhanded “softball pitch”. El Traviso’s body struck the back bathroom wall, in the shower stall area, and he fell in a heap, on the floor of the shower stall. This is the advantage of having bionic arms, when you are a small female ninja, and you decide to take on much larger, stronger ex-wrestler males, who may well be on steroids.
Upon seeing El Traviso’s body in the shower stall, Ms. Aris decided not to wipe her hands. Instead, she decided that it would be much more fitting to carefully imprint her well-reddened hands on the walls of the hallway. Leaving red handprints, on walls, is a technique that goes back to the cave age, in France. It is a sure sign that someone was there – even after ten thousand years. Obviously, Ms. Arias was very skilled in planning such murders. Few people would think to leave red handprints on the nearest walls, especially after defeating a much larger foe, almost barehanded.
(Satirically written for obvious reasons)
haha don’t give them more ideas ! but they make it seem so comical as that for sure !
You forgot to add taking pictures along the way to capture her handy work, lol
(Cont.)
After creating a series of distinctive handprints on the walls, Ms. Arias went back to the bathroom. At that point, a certain sense of pragmaticism kicked in, and she realized that if she did not actually use the $50 dollar BB-like gun, with all of its non-lethal popping power, then it would be wasted steps in bringing the little non-lethal popper. So, just for the sake of female ninja pragmaticism, she went back and used the gun, a single time. But, first she made sure that El Traviso was really dead. Then, she fired a shot at his dead body, for two reasons.
First, as all prosecutors know, shooting a dead body is good for making someone a little “deader than dead”, or “extra-dead”, or even “exponentially dead”. And, second, a single useless shot satisfied a certain sense of pragmatism, otherwise bringing the gun would have been a total waste. So, Jodi the ninja woman fired a shot simply so she could say that she used the gun, while making the victim a little deader, or extra dead, or even exponentially dead – though he was already dead, according to the prosecutors. This was a very brilliant tactical manuever, at some level, only understood by prosecutors.
Also, while Ms. Arias was in the bathroom, she decided that she was not content with only leaving her cave painting-like hand prints, on the walls, as evidence of her presence. So, she decided to take some shots of herself standing over El Traviso, too. Along with the other evidence, she would be sure to leave the camera, and the memory chip, in a place where everyone could find it. So, if the defective – I mean detective – Florez somehow missed the reddened hand prints on the walls, then at least he would find the camera, and the memory chip, with photos of herself standing over Travis. Yes, everyone, it is obvious that Ms. Arias carried out the most clandestine, and well planned, killing that anyone has ever seen in the last century, by making sure to leave so much evidence.
Also, Jodi the ninja woman employed another very amazing tactic. First, she made sure that she had a bad rap with the victim’s friends before the killing, so that as soon as the victim died, the friends would immediatley start pointing the finger. She did this by offering sex for the victim’s fabrications, and slander. In other words, every time the victim told his friends that she was a slut, a whore, a stalker, a three hole wonder, etc, etc, she simply gave him more sex. The victim – being male – could not resist cashing in on all of the free sex. So, he made sure to badmouth Jodi every chance he got – for free sex, of course. The brilliance of the this plan was this. As soon as the victim was dead, his friends immediately began to point the finger at the ninja woman. And, the police were knocking on her door, the next day. Moral of the story: Make sure that you have a really bad reputation with all of your victim’s friends, before you plan to kill the victim. If necessary, offer sex for slander, and make sure that your victim bad mouths you enough, so that they will be ready to go to the police, and point the finger, as soon as the deed is done. Obviously, Jodi’s plan worked brilliantly in drawing police attention, as fast as possible. It is amazing how one could so brilliantly plan all of this.
Also, after executing such plans, Jodi wisely went about cruising town without correctly mounted license plates, or no plate at all. This is the perfect way to draw police attention, as soon as possible. The police might immediately think that the driver is intoxicated, on drugs, or maybe even has a stolen car. Again, such brilliance in planning a murder is almost mindboggling.
All of this is a sure sign of premeditation, by a ninja woman, with bionic arms – at least according to the prosecutor’s latest hocus pocus theories.
(Satirically written for reasons that should be self evident.)
I love it! So true and hilarious at the same time.
LOLOLOL
when researching types of amnesia, found a condition called psychogenic situation specific amnesia. occurs mostly in women and in crimes of passion. 40% of offenders still had amnesia re the crime 3 yrs after being convicted. These offenders were less likely to deny the offense than a similarly convicted control group. I do believe JA when she says she cannot remember the part where she stabbed TA. I also think there is more to what happened surrounding this whole case. Nancy Grace is the most blood thirsty human being along with her disgusting , hair -on-fire HLN groupies!
Kitty, that’s interesting about the amnesia, and I think there is more too. My husband who has been forced to watch said today things don’t add up here. I haven’t watched Nancy Disgrace in years, just this week because of the trial, you should read what wiki says about her, good reason she isn’t practicing law anymore and as far as her groupies-they are all at websleuths along with Dr. Quacks jurors
Agreed, they had her convicted before the trial began. I used to be a fan of Dr. Drew but not anyone, he is a fame whore now. Pray for Jodi everyone!
Ya I lost faith on them all now………..I liked to watch when they were trying to find lost children or help children they do not do that much anymore really sad they switched to being witch head hunters now wanting to burn them all at the stake they make me sick.
im watching her description of the actual fight, where he body slammed her.. im a little worried, to be honest.. one question- why didnt she just run out of the house instead of into the closet to get a gun? idk, my heart just sank.. and then he just stood over her after he body slammed her but then she rolled and ran and he hadnt grabbed her by then? someone help explain all of this away!
im sorry, im not trying to upset anyone.. i feel sick to my stomach.. im just trying to think logically, im tiny about 5’3 (101) and my bf is 6′ (190).. i know for sure he would have hurt me to the point where i wouldnt be able to move and theres no way id be able to out run him.. i know how much she loved him, i see no other reason for this other than what she has said, but there are some things that arent making sense to me, rationally..
oh my gosh, im crying hysterically watching her cry.. why did this happen?!?
Caligirl, try to realize that even though she is explaining everything step by step for the prosecutor (he wants it to seem like a slow motion leisurely walk through a closet), in reality, this is happening so fast that there is no time as he would want you to believe for Jodi to stop and think “gee, should I walk to the left or the right, or down the stairs, or wait, maybe I’ll get the gun instead”. That’s how he wants the jury to picture this. What she could not explain properly on the stand because he would not let her, is that this all happens in a brief period of time without forethought. He has her admit that she was “thinking”, in reality there is no time for contemplation. There’s a difference and I am sure Nurmi will get to that. Have you ever dropped a dish and caught it three times before it finally fumbled to the floor? How long did it take? You made a decision to try to catch it, and you had enough time to make this decision three times – that’s the warped logic the prosecutor is feeding everyone.
There is no reason to believe Travis even had to be running. I can totally picture a big bully who knows he always gets his way, simply stomping toward her, confident that he will corner her and do what he wants when he gets there, because he has learned from experience that he is in control. He doesn’t need to be running for her actions to make sense.
Hang in there, her lawyers will clear all of your worries up on Monday and then some!
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Caligirl, the reason she ran the way that she ran is because there was a previous incident that happened to her when she ran down the hallway out of his room. He caught her from behind. She said in an instant, that thought ran though her mind when he had caught her running down the hallway to get out of the house. When this “Flashback so to speak” popped into her head, she made a split second decision to run the other way than she ran before, and cut around the corner into the closet.
The PA would like you to think that it takes a long way to run 11 feet, when in real life, it can be done in less than 2 seconds. He also said since she had socks on, that she had the advantage over him because the socks provided traction, as to being barefoot would cause you to be at a disadvantage. She had socks on, he did not. Someone please go put some socks on and take off running in yoru bathroom vs barefoot. I’m pretty sure when having socks on your not at an advantage. This kermit guy is a little pee
thanks jesss and jackle.. i hope so! and youre right, im sure it happened so quickly that there wasnt much forethought as to what she was doing.. i cant wait for nurmi to address all of this next week.. sucks that they had the weekend to think about everything, but we already knew jm was going to do that..
Although JM certainly wants to leave a cliff hanger over the weekend, he probably didn’t have as much full control over this as one would think … he doesn’t know how long her answers will be, how long it will take to corner her to say what he wants … some questions went on and on and on. He also couldn’t count on the actual duration of the judge’s being out sick, etc. etc.
If you want to see how wrong a lot of people are about all their suspicions about the ludicrous prosecution, you only have to look back at the blog in January (“there’s no way that’s Jodi’s foot, it could be anything in that photo, the prosecution just sees what they want”) to now hear Jodi in court, for instance, admit it was her foot afterall. Lots of examples of things like that.
The foot in the photo does not look like it has socks on. LOL She said she was wearing socks right?
MickyD, you are just as ass.
There are also many things the pro prosecution people speculated that have been shown to be different based on audio recordings and testimony.
I’m not sure what your point is except that you think you are proving something.
Maybe you should just go back..I don’t believe anyone has copied and pasted your stupid speculation…
Why didn’t she run? Because she did not believe that she could reach the door, before he caught her. She knew that he was faster than her.
but she made it to the closet and was able to reach up and grab the gun in time.. how would he not catch her by then? im sorry, im so emotional right now.. my logic is out the window and martinez is getting to me..
Oh I am sure he had to stop an see if that camera was broken first. An if he is OCD like I think he would not go after her dripping he would grab a towel. Then run in there after she slipped out of his wet body is just what I think ?
yes, rhonda.. i can see that happening.. thank u, thank u, thank u. like i said, today was just so emotional and.. idk, some minor details (which are kind of big details, i guess) were hard for me to rationalize.. but youre right, he probably would do that over something as silly as a stupid camera.. she was still in panick mode maybe and kept running towards the closet?
the shell casing and the story with her finger also confused me…i just want it to be time for redirect so nurmi can address some of these things that the jurors might be hung up on, too..
Because the closet was closer than the front door. If she ran to the door, he would overtake her, before she reached the door.
She ran in the closet. slammed the door, grabbed the gun, and exited the other door, to the next room. Maybe he did not move as quickly as expected. For all we know, he could have been walking, knowing that she was trapped.
Or since he was wet, he could have slipped on the tile.
If I am chasing someone, and they run down a hallway that has no exit, what is the big rush to go after them? I could wait in exit path for them to come that way. There isn’t a big rush
Correction: “Why didn’t she run?” – Should be “Why didn’t she run to the front door?”
thanks, ben!.. that makes sense.. i was a litttle confused about the layout (the door to the closet looked like the door out of the bedroom).. it looked like the closet was further from the door and theres no other reason she would go trap herself in the closet unless she knew she had to react bc he was going to kill her and she knew he had a gun in the closet.. i hope they bring in some experts that counter what hes saying about the shell casing and as far as the finger, who cares when she broke it? maybe she rebroke it? i have a broken toe that is very easily broken bc ive broken it twice before.. and even if thats not the case, it proves nothing.. theres no way for her to remember every little detail.. im sure it IS a huge blur to her..
my son broke his little finger three years ago…and it didn’t really look crooked at that time…now fast forward three years…the calcium has built up on the joint and now it is so crooked looking…I get sad when I look at his little crooked finger…now…the doctor says he will need surgery…
yea, truthseeker.. thats exactly what my pinky toe looks like after years; it gets worse over time.. its so deformed and ugly! sorry about your poor son : (
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the link isnt working for me either.. its just giving me a blank screen?
I just got a blank Screen also ! Terrible commentary and I remember in high profile cases when jurors were told not watch anything on TV of the trial. This is very unfair. Nancy Grace Dr.Drew the things they say are so over the top. Dr. Drew is the worst because Nancy Grace is a TV wHORE, she does it for money, peddles hate but how can a person call themselves a Doctor and spout such crap. He states that Jodi Arias was not abused no history of any real child abuse how does he know that ? This very irresponsible. Did he grow up with her?? Nobody knows someone else’s life childhood, then they have some guy from the Enquirer stating Jodi is a Lesbian looking to father a child her & her new girlfriend with some guy who visits her. These people have body experts, psychics what else , Nancy Grace needs an Exorcist.
OH geez Oliviero you are so right I laughed so hard at what you posted ! it is all true tho.
in this case, the jurors should be sequestered.. i have a very hard time believing that not one of them has watched any media coverage after this long of a trial..
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IT WORKED THAT TIME SIGNED ! Because the commentary by HLN’s Nancy Grace, Jane Velez-Mitchell, Jean Casarez, Vinnie Politan, and Dr. Drew on the State Vs. Jodi Arias trial are purposely misleading and often completely false and designed to create a sensationalized mass hatred for Jodi Arias. Their statements are often slanderous and through facebook and other written outlets, libelous. Their comments and opinions are often from unverified anecdotal evidence. Nancy Grace is the leader of “trial by media”. They are not concerned about justice based on the truth, but on a sensational witch hunt she and others at HLN are conducting. It is a travesty for them to call themselves journalists.
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Here tears weren’t real???They only came when she was forced to look at the photos of Travis..
Please HLN commentators show us some past history of her pathological behavior, other than her acknowledged lies on the media interviews, and with the detective, all explained by her fear for herself and her family. Arghhh
done
Hello All- WE knew today would be hard for Jodi, but I do think it went as well as it could. I don’t think It went badly. I mean having to relive that day, and admit, again, she took steps to cover up and lied, well, it isn’t good, but it wasn’t like she was “exposed” she has already admitted and taken responsibility. Nothing JM or Jodi said today was a shock to the jury.
There was nothing the defense REALLY has to rehabilitate. The state NEVER had any sort of “ahhh-ha”
moment. They never proved any of their theories, they SURE as hell never proved premeditation or any proof that Jodi was even capable. I’m still confident, and the State has FAILED.
Me too !
i am 100% convinced that this was NOT premeditated.. no way. there is no way the jury will come back with that verdict.. i agree.
Kmiller…I agree….I also noticed that her attorney, Nurmi didn’t look worried…so I quit worrying…
I pray you are right ! What I am worried about is some jurors not being honest an watching tv or getting on the puter or heck everyone has it on their phones now a days.
I haven’t had a chance to watch it all yet, i’m not sure i can handle Kermit without me being drunk or something while watching it.
Surely not all 12 jurors will be brainless idiots like the masses…surely there will be a nice mix like we have here and they see that Kermit didn’t prove premeditation, that it was self defense.
It will be interesting if Kermit offers a lesser charge based on his EPIC fail.
If Travis’ family are unevolved apes, then i guess it is possible they won’t allow a lesser charge to be offered. I think the family does have something to say about that.
exactly, beecee.. it has to be a slam dunk case for 12 ppl to come to the same conclusion. i know if i were on that jury, there is nothing anyone could say that would get me to convict her on 1st degree. theres just no way that can happen with a well diversed group of ppl..
the family doesnt have any say.. they can give their opinion, but its ultimately up to the da to decide what charges they are going to bring. and the dp cant be on the table for every murder either.. there has to be some sort of aggrevated circumstances involved.. even the jury isnt the end all.. the judge actually determines the punishment, and the jury suggests the punishment, but the judge isnt obligated to side with the jury, even though they usually do.. id actally think if travis’s family truly wanted to end their suffering, they wouldnt want the dp, as that would just prolong everything.. more appeals, more hearings.. i hope they do offer some sort of plea.
If I were Jodi I would not except a plea at this point. If they offer a plea, it will be because she could possibly be given something drastically less than what they hoped for. Plus she only offered the plea because she wanted to avoid disclosing the information that has already been divulged. Its too late now.
Some may think it would be smart to not risk it, this is just what I would probably choose to do.
I think the prosecution is too arrogant to offer her a plea now. They think they have it in the bag. I hope they’re in for a big surprise – I know that if I were on the jury, I wouldn’t buy their murder 1 argument for a minute.
OH I hope one juror at least thinks like the people on this page do an can see something. One at least would hold it up. But that family I have read those sisters blog pages an they want death an they want to be there to watch.
This is so hard to watch again 🙁
MB,
It was gut wrenching to watch at times. If people actually get off on her crying out there, than something is wrong with them.
Okay… so now that she shows remorse, they’re tears of FEAR! She got cornered n cant say anything else but cry!!!! Its just like we’ve all been saying. If she doesn’t cry shes a sociopath, now that she is, its because of fear for HERSELF! !! On JVM they even agreed that Jodi, was not crying, she was laughing! !!! Wow… really, wow! I pray that the jury do not see all of this, this way.
She’s already guilty in the mind of the media. SMH.
Ya just like if she did not testify then she should of bla bla bla they all say just the opposite of what it is that is called HYPOCRITE
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Wait, aren’t you supposed to subtract 12 hours for military time? Or am I missing something here?
Yeah – I’m confused too.
Military times always confuses me regardless – but I’m pretty you’re right, -12 hours.
Because isn’t midnight 24 hours?
Midnight is 0000. 1am is 0100.
I think Jaz is right, I can understand why you think its 24 hundred hours because 11pm is 2300 hours. I was in the army for several years, but I don’t remember anyone ever saying 2400 hours.I think I might have heard the term zero hundred hours for midnight. It was a few years ago, and I was a pog, so I don’t really know.
yep so the text would be at after two in the afternoon if I read it right
I cannot find this answer… does anyone know when jury is able to ask jodi their questions? Do we wait til after redirect and possible recross or can they ask before that?
Juries don’t get to ask questions.
Yes they can ask in arizona. It happens after all lawyers are finished with jodi.
Didn’t they ask questions to one of the witnesses earlier?
The jurors have been able to ask questions in this case scrappy doo all the way along, and they do have a basket of questions for Jodi. They will be able to ask them after the defense and da are finished.
Oh thank god!!!
I’ll seconf that, MB!!
Wow, the media wants transcripts!? I find that hilarious since CNN almost NEVER posts complete transcripts; and they almost always put [CROSSTALK] where questionable statements should be.
I realize that the dude talking might not be from CNN. I’m just saying that the media isn’t holding itself to the same accountability they are demanding of the court.
Sandra…thank you so much for starting the petition on causes.com against the HLN “cast of characters”..they should be ashamed of themselves for being so judgemental
You’re right Jill, but Judgmental is one of their better qualities. They are actually reporting lies. They are flat out giving FALSE reports. Seriously, their action should be considered criminal. I’m by no means a lawyer, but there has to be a way to sue them. They go on all day calling Jodi a liar WHILE telling LIES about the facts of the case. It is the most disgusting display of hypocrisy I have ever witnessed.
I agree, but they are simply there to make money, not to say the truth. Today I notice the same thing of Jean Casares, before she used to talk about facts and truth, but today she disappointed me. I guess they told her to be on the persecutors side or else.
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Hi Maggie..in the link below it said that NG in a Feb 20 interview with USA today said that defense attorneys are pigs and morally comparable….
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I am happy to sign! My husband and I can’t listen to these biased pigs make a mockery of something so serious as a young woman fighting for her life. And to stir up the public into a modern day lynch mob is disgraceful. I take comfort in the fact that ‘what goes around, comes around’. And karma can be a bitch!
I quite agree with you.
NG said tonight that she was a crime victim….I thought it was her fiancee, Keith Griffin, that was the crime victim…crime victim and victim of crime is defined by states…Georgia…
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Nancy is not a crime victim. She was a crime victim’s loved one. She’s been milking that poor guy’s death for over 30 years now.
She is the biggest DRAMA QUEEN I have ever seen in my LIFE ! an reminds me of Miss Piggy an actually acts that way too.
Nancy Grace is a joke with her deceitful ways of trying to sway the viewers opinion. And look how she mute the lawyers out on her show who has contrasting opinions. HLN has it in for JODi….The reporters for court tv are scared to go against one another. I think one Lady reporter jane mitchell I think she is back in forth on who is doing this; I think she is for jodi but is scared of the backlash from her colleagues. Dr.Drew is the same way with his inconsistencies in trying to diagnose jodi. He could not diagnose the dirt he walks on. Juan Martinez, SMH is trash.
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She wasn’t laughing. She was crying and very distraught.
Exactly, I’ve seen people make that expression with their mouth when they are crying. It’s not a smile.
I am watched on a BIG SCREEN on HD an it was crying her teeth did show when she was crying because she had to breath though her mouth as her nose was running that happens a lot when you cry hard enough.
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She didn’t drive 1,000 miles to visit him. He ASKED her to visit her because she was in southern California on her way to Utah.
For crying out loud, the harebrained Travis friends’ ideas have been completely debunked by the facts.
I meant Travis asked her to visit HIM. She wasn’t planning on seeing him at all.
There is NO evidence she sought to kill him. Do you STILL believe the hogwash she killed Travis over Cancun? The sex tape should have ended that nonsense once and for all.
No I think Jodi knew what Travis said was what he was going to do. She may have asked if she could go tho. An he may have said something smart to her something mean most likely tho. An she would have got over it an forgave him again later on. She would never get over Travis fully until she found another man that was decent. Or until the calls an texts stopped. There is no way to be friends with a MAN you LOVE an would got to the end of the world for but he will not do nothing much back in return.
An also he had been telling all those stories to his friends about Jodi there is no way to be true friends with a man like that.
She is not the FIRST woman to drive 1000 miles out of her way for a man. I too have done that after leaving him too. Ended up in epic fail but no one can say I did not try. He was a jerk but I loved him for some reason I can’t explain it either. I chased him for about 5 years till I finally had enough of his smug attitude an how he really did believe he was above everyone an talked down about everyone an everything in life. He was brought up Pentecostal an had a lot of hang ups too. In the end I let him have it with my MOUTH tho but he was never physically abusive to me just mentally. Took me Years to get him out of my head but I never ever went back. Oh yea an I put his PHONE NUMBER up at every rest stop I went too an truck stop to call his home phone or cell for the best blow job ever ! haha I was a truck driver got him back in my own way. No he was not GAY but I knew it would really piss him off.
In this case, though, Jodi had other plans. The Travis visit was a side visit.
Even if we all agree that no one deserved to die, if the events unfolded the way she described it is likely that she would be dead. She did what she had to do I believe.
Yes I agree if he was that upset of a camera to body slam her there would have been more to come I do believe.
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Yeah, Greg! Sign my petition I just started if you support the message, then! Thanks!
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Im trying to sign this petition n it wont let me. Any advice? ?? I think as many people should sign this. VERY IMPORTANT
I had to try to do it several times before it worked for me? not sure why
Maggie, great idea. I am going to sign the petition. Nancy Grace was a prosecutor in the past, and believes she really knows the law, I guess, but she is getting less and less objective and more focused on entertainment and sensationalism to boost her ratings. Last week she had some “intuitive” friend of Travis who supposedly saw a black cloud around Travis and actually came on Nancy’s show to discuss how she always had bad vibes, or something like that, since she first met Jodi. Also, as another example, she had the senior editor from the National Enquirer, a highly reputable news source by the way (being sarcastic) on her show, and he discussed Jodi in very negative terms as a person and got to publicize a story that will appear in his tabloid this weekend (so people might buy copies, read all the supposed “dirt” on Jodi, and he can make a profit) I guess Nancy considers the National Enquirer a very credible source on the trial and who Jodi is ….at any rate, she keeps on reminding viewers she was a previous prosecutor, but with her attitudes and legal views, we can be thankful she’s still not one today.
Me either I am on the BOYCOTT now I am so tired of them all it has gone beyond ridiculous an one sided now it just goes on an on with them all on HLN even if they get one person that see’s another view they chastise them an roll the eyes an just childish behavior like Honey Boo Boo’s now all of them are.
I have a question for everyone! I KNOW in my HEART that Jodi is innocent of this murder. She was fighting for her life with TA- just like she is NOW! However, I keep thinking… the gun that went missing from her grandparents’ place is awfully suspicious. I am wondering if Jodi did in fact take it, but as PROTECTION from TA- just in case something happened (which it did!). If this were the case, would you still support her? I DO NOT think she went to TA’s place to murder him, but I can’t help but think she may have brought the gun knowing his temper.
Yes I still support her even if she brought a gun. She should have just asked her grandparents to borrow it tho for protection. But if in fact she went there just for murder I think she would have done a better job. She had sex for hours first that does not make sense. Travis blew up an over reacted an she was scared an shot him. An if it were me I would have shot more than once with that little gun. People keep asking how she got out from under him ? I think he was wet an slippery an she just wiggled out an ran for the closet an I am sure he had to check on that precious camera before taking off after her an maybe grabbed a towel too.
Bless you, Rhonda! As far as why she would hypothetically murder him, I believe the defence is aiming to play up TA’s Cancun trip, and her desire to “give him one more chance” to enter into a monogamous relationship with her. I think in terms of hypotheticals and REALITY, we can agree she LOVED him and probably STILL loves him. 🙁 It breaks my heart. Be strong, everyone.
Bless you too an I pray for Jodi every day an I truly hope she remains strong through this. She does look weaker to me each day.
She may have thought about that trip but I am sure he was set in his ways on who was going an she knew that already. After hearing how all his friends talk about her now she had too feel that discontent around them. I think now no wonder she was quiet because she felt they did not welcome her in that group he was so tight with
As far as Travis I can tell by that tone in that voice on that tape I am sorry but that is a very self absorbed man that puts himself on a pedestal an expects people to worship him. An I think what he said would just go with Jodi an even if it meant she could not go on that trip she would yet forgive him again.
Rhonda- I keep thinking about the Cancun trip too. Travis was going with his PPL buddies Chris & Sky Hughes etc. They had already made it clear to Travis that Jodi was NOT welcome in their home. They are the reason why Travis took his relationship with Jodi underground. I think that the Cancun trip looks like it would be an obvious reason but it is not. Jodi would not have wanted to go on that trip with those people that she knew hated her. Travis and Jodi were taking their own trips together, and had been for some time. Their trips upset Lisa, which is part of the reason why she broke up with Travis. Saying she killed him because of a Cancun trip is nonsensical. On the surface it seems yah that’s the ticket, but a closer look says nope, this reason is preposterous.
Ya makes me wonder about that married woman I would not put it past her to be getting some on the side from Travis an she was jealous of Jodi taking her time away. Seems to me when married woman are jealous or just never like anyone that a single man friend has is because they want him for themselves. An that group of people are very strange I can’t help it I see it an hear it in their voices that tone.
I would not call that relationship really love.
It sounds more like a cult brainwash to me, a pimp controlling and perverting a runaway kid, or a priest or coach seducing and abusing a young boy.
Jodi may have been 25 years old or so, but it looks like she was emotionally and psychologically just like a teenage girl at the time, insecure, narcissistic, looking for the meaning of life, a father figure, a new family to belong to. Play dough in the hand of her so-called motivational mentor.
I’m wondering why forensics haven’t compared the casing from the scene with ammunition at her Grandparents house. Unless there wasn’t any ammunition??
I would, because I thought that that would be her defense (bringing the gun for protection). On the other hand, it’s plausible to me as well that Travis owned a gun.
Hello JosephHenry,
It seems that the .25 caliber gun is the lamest on the market. A used one can be bought for about $50 bucks. So, if Jodi was able to cough up the gas money to make a 3.000 mile round trip to see Travis, while renting a car, then do you think she could have coughed up another $50 bucks to buy a used .25 caliber? Or, did she need to stage a robbery in her grandparents home, in order to get the $50 dollar gun? Would it be worth it?
Also, in the crime photos from the burglary, it is obvious that the family television had been moved around quite a bit. There are even visible fingerprints on the television, which were not quite clear enough to get prints off of. So, if Jodi had staged the burglary, in order to get the $50 dollar gun – which actually is not considered a real weapon, in the sense that it is severely under powered – then, would she have left fingerprints on the television, too?
Also, while the scatter of quarters remained untouched on the countertop, the DVD player was stolen. So, is it possible that a burglar did not want to try to pick up a scatter of coins, because the coins might fall, and make alot of noise, plus require extra time to pick up? And, is it possible that the burglar would have opted for the DVD player instead of the coins, due to practicality? Also, is it possible that the guns that were left were large guns, that the burglar did not want to carry outside? Wouldn’t that attract alot of attention? Maybe the neighbors might think a murder had taken place, with a strange armed man walking out onto the street, carrying rifles and such?
Let me ask another question. If Jodi had really needed a .25 caliber gun, then couldn’t she have simply asked to borrow the scatter of quarters, and then bought a .25 caliber gun, in secret? Also, if Jodi did stage a burglary to steal her grandparents $50 underpowered pistol, and she then went and left a plethora of physical evidence at a crime scene, including .25 casings, then wouldn’t she have to expect that the police would connect it to the gun that was stolen from the grandparents house? That being the case, then wouldn’t it be better to ask to borrow the quarters, and then go buy the gun, without telling anyone? If so, then why would Jodi stage a burglary to steal a fifty dollar gun, from her grandparents – which would be traceable – when she could have asked to borrow the quarters, and bought one secretly. It seems like staging a burglary to steal a fifty dollar gun, from one’s grandparents, sounds like overkill, for a person who has the money to rent a car, and pay for gas, for a 3,000 mile trip.
Given the fact that the television had actual fingerprints on it, and the fact that other items were stolen, I think that this was a real burglary, which involved someone moving in and out of the house, really fast, while making as little noise as possible. What do you think?
Thank you for all of that wonderful information, Ben! I agree, it’s absolutely unlikely- it was just nagging me on a GUT level. My feelings were this, though you have very much convinced me otherwise– as Jodi was so secretive of her horrifying abuses, I had assumed she might be as secretive in securing protection. She was ASHAMED, as so many abused people are. It’s an awful, awful thing.
Hi Joseph, im with Ben…… why wouldn’t she have to expect that the police would connect it to the gun that was stolen from the grandparents house? Jodi seems smart then that. Even if she did, yes I would blv her anyway.
Ben….I found this link about robberies in Siskiyuo County Yreka, CA…(where JA lived with grandmother)
Cash and 6 guns stolen from home in November 2008
http://www.mailtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20081125/NEWS/811250308&cid=sitesearch
http://www.city-data.com/crime/crime-Yreka-California.html
Probably a lot more…but the point is that people do break into homes and steal the guns…and nothing else…
Also, hard to pick up coins with gloves on JMO
She could afford to buy a $50 gun but if she was planning on using it for crime would she want to get a gun from a store where there would be a record of that purchase?
Barney, there are lots of people who sell them person to person without any documentation.
Private sellers are not required to document or do a background check at this point in time.
I think Arizona did not require registration of a gun.
California is WAY more restrictive with guns.
I am LOLing at JVM’s new “expert” introduced to her three ring circus. Julie Christopher, supposed psychic who had dinner with Travis two weeks before his death. Is it even established that Jodi was in AZ at the time? I’m not under that impression, but still. Someone with a Ukranian accent and an Anglo American name comes off as such a fraud. I half expected her to wear a veil and pick up a crystal ball for all the stereotypical crap she was portraying.
I also noticed HLN is trying to parse between psychopath and sociopath; as if they never used them interchangeably and deliberately confused the public by doing so. Then Dr Drew wants to impress people by adding new emotionally charge jargon into the “diagnosis” – by calling Jodi a “psychopathic stalker.” Uh huh, right. NO evidence of stalking, yet there he is, brandishing the label as if simply doing so somehow makes it magically so. Dr Drew says therefore it is? I don’t think so!
I hope that when this is all over that Jodi can sue them for defamation a her charector. Is that possible with the media because of freedom or speach?
I wonder the same thing, because they have gone on and on and on and on saying she did things that is not supported by the evidence! In fact the evidence proves them wrong; IMO that should make a case for defamation, but I am not a lawyer.
Actually, if she’s acquitted of her charges, then yes. Remember Richard Jewel? The 1996 Olympic Park bombings that the authorities said that he did? Turns out they were wrong, and he sued is collecting millions.
Well I was referring to the accusations of stalking. There is no evidence that she slashed Travis’ tires – he just assumed she did and pointed the finger. But just because Travis says so, does not make it so. But that is what HLN is doing, saying she is sending anonymous emails, hacking, ect. I’m sure if there were evidence of her doing so, it would have been brought into trial.
Oh yeah MB, you know how I feel about this.
If Kermit had proof of stalking, he would be all over it.
If Kermit proved the letters were forgeries he would have GLADLY brought those in to nail Jodi with it regardless of wether or not they were copies.
BeeCee or anyone that can answer 🙂 Okay ive been thinking and either I’m not understanding something or I think the camera shows someone else was there. First, the last pic shows the camera being dropped in the bathroom right? Then the photo of Jodi dragging him is in another room right? So we can rule out she took some trophy pic, that’s absurd. So how did the camera end up in the other room? I still get the impression she was set up! Do I have my facts straight about that? Thoughts?
Yes, JC, I think she was set up. I think the photos support the intruder story more than self defense. I think jodi was scared shitless by them and ran like she was told to save her life, so of course she would have no real memory of the stabbing and slashing part because she was not the one doing it. I think she heard the gunshot and started from that.
I think Deanna Reid, Ashley Reed, and Dustin Thompson may have had something to do with it…not any mormon mafia.
In her testimony on 2/27 she talks about how her phone with the recording was stolen, she thought, and then it turned up a couple years later. (I wonder if it showed up after Ashley Reed’s death?)
Whomever stole it would have heard the recording and had access to her family contacts and could have gotten her grandparent’s address through her phone.
I believe it was Kmiller who said it appeared the state/judge would not allow her to enter all the emails and text messages while she was claiming not guilty but then once she claimed self defense she was allowed to have that evidence in.
Interesting! So Ashley died right? Did you ever find out why? I searched and could not find anything other than what we found that day.
This phone would have been taken from Yreka right? Because she had it when she left June 4th? Or did she use a different phone?
I mean these questions can’t go unanswered? It’s driving me nuts how that last photo was snapped. So Jodi says it was her foot but who took the pic and why? How did the camera move from one room to another in the middle of an attack? It makes no sense at all.
I need to listen again because I thought the phone was stolen a week before the burglary and a few weeks before the murder. and I don’t remember from where it was stolen or if that was mentioned.
IF the phone was stolen before the burglary, I think it was used by the intruders to steal the gun from Jodi’s grandparents house and to threaten her that they knew where her family lived. Someone was really pissed at Travis and wanted the frame Jodi out of jealousy and Deanna had plenty of reason to be jealous. Even Lisa knew Travis and Jodi had stuff going on, Lisa was just delusional and thought there was not sex involved. I find it creepy that Deanna still has pictures up of her and Travis on her facebook. I think she may have sent the email to Lisa andrews. Someone should have investigated her. She is also still friends with Dustin, whom his now dead wife says was acting strangely around the time of Travis murder. The intruders could have been Deanna and Dustin.
And, no no-one has determined if Ashley died from someone “normal” or not. I’m not sure we will be able to if the community is closed mouthed about it.
I wouldn’t doubt if TA did something to his own tires so he could grind it out with Lisa that night when she asked to him to spend the night to protect her.
MB…I understand your frustration too….all of them are supposedly professionals…they all probably have some type of Certificate degree from some University or College hanging on their wall …I myself have my own Certificate degree hanging on my wall…now the difference between myself and some others with the same type Certificate degree is that I am truly a professional…and have received numerous awards of achievement from College and tons of compliments from my clients for a job well done…and I have seen those few others with the same Certificate degree as I have do sloppy work…and sometimes I have to “fix” the problem that they created with their sloppy work…and that is how I feel about the HLN professionals…just because they have a Certificate degree that shows they are a professional does not necessarily mean that they are doing a good job in their respective field…and yes they are sloppy too with what they are saying…
Oh I totally agree – sadly though people look at those certificates and say to themselves “well they should know, they are educated, they have trial experience, I should listen to what they say because they wouldn’t steer me wrong” ect; and aren’t knowledgable enough to know that these “experts” are shitting on their own vocation! It is very sad.
He is less a “dr” than Dr. Pepper. Windbag is just the male version of Nancy Grace.
Oh no kidding huh!
Quick fact: Dr Drew is in fact NOT qualified to diagnose anyone with any mental disorder! He is an addiction specialist, and a physician; but he is NOT a psychiatrist (someone who diagnoses and treats mental disorders).
Quote from yahoo answers:
Dr. Pinsky is NOT a psychiatrist. He’s an MD with a residency in internal medicine, also known as an internist. In most states in the US anyone with an MD or PhD and often with a master’s degree can do “psychotherapy” (asking questions) or “counseling” (giving answers) as long as they can pass the board exams. Dr. Pinsky completed some training in addiction counseling after his internal medicine residency, but it was not a psychiatric residency and thus he’s not a psychiatrist.
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090103192752AA5JyzM
haha funny he thinks he is ! I don’t like him anymore now anyways none of them IN SESSION or HLN they are all ROTTEN an one sided hypocrites. I am boycotting not watching them anymore. Unless they have missing children on like they used to do. They are not qualified to be doing trial observations an it should be pulled away from them all.
MB Team Jodi,
That is so STUPID the Psychic lady she has been making the rounds, that accent & the story is so unbelievable I posted about it she was on Dr.Drew a few nights ago Nancy Grace & where ever she can get publicity. I bet she has a seance live on one of these cheap shows. Her accent is really over the top! In short I do not believe Jodi Liked her hair as she stated on Nancy Grace.
A seance? LOL! Wow, these talking heads must be desperate!
Why do I flash to Dan Akroyd turning to Jane Curtin and saying, “Jane, you ignorant slut.” But I see Nancy Grace’s face?
haha!
Nancy Grace is one “EVIL” Lady…She is attempting along with the other media outlets, Leading the charge, HLN are endeavoring to taint the viewers from supporting Jodi Arias Defense. Look how she treats the guest Attorneys when they have a contrasting opinion to her’s; she mutes their microphone. And Dr.Drew, he is just doing the same thing as the rest, jumping on the bandwagon to sell their horrible shows for publicity. Dr. Drew could not diagnose the dirt he walk on. And the prosecutor Juan Martinez, he is a Joke; the only thing he is doing is acting in desperation, trying every baseless tactic to get a conviction. Genuinely, I believe in jodi, she may have lied on occasion, I believe she acted in self-defense.
Travis Alexander put poor jodi soul in danger, And the rest is history.
Thank you for this site, and for the change.org petition — which I just signed. I found your site this evening as I was searching for something on the web that could look at this trial in a balanced way. As a social worker, everything I have seen and heard about Jodi is typical of “battered woman syndrome.” Why is that so hard for people to consider? I saw the same dynamic when Casey Anthony’s lawyer said she had been sexually abused as a child by her father. Everything about her life was consistent with that scenario, yet the press tore her apart as obviously guilty when her lawyer revealed the sexual abuse in court.
Jodi is being publicly demeaned for daring to offer a defense that involves being abused. In both of these cases, the press fuels a public condemnation of a woman before there has even been a trial. As a minister, I see the public reaction to Jodi [as it was to Casey] as reminiscent of the Salem witch trials. Jodi’s story of her relationship with Travis sounds quite abusive to me — as does her prior history. A sudden breaking point, lashing out, and then memory loss is completely consistent with a pattern of being abused. I am appalled that TV commentators are saying that the prosecutor showed holes in Jodi’s story. Actually, he never gave her a chance to finish a sentence or make a point, and he kept twisting things she said. His cross-examination was, to me, battering a woman in public in the name of justice. As a society, we should be ashamed that we allow our justice system to function in this way. I wish this jury was sequestered as Casey Anthony’s was. I think a perfectly reasonable verdict would be justifiable homicide in self-defense. There really is no evidence that contradicts her story of abuse and attack. I watch most of the testimony, and then am shocked to hear the news reports at night. They are so biased, and report on a trial very different from the one I saw on my TV screen. I hope this is a jury that is attentive to the trial and not listening to news commentators.
Yes that worries me too. Really 12 jurors are trusted not to look at anything on their PHONES about this or talk about it to anyone or even just turn on the news for this many days? I am not that trusting I guess I do not think all 12 would be so honorable they are just human beings not saints.
Curiosity is common I think. I just hope an pray someone on that Jury has common sense an understands why a woman would LIE an be ASHAMED before actually giving up an telling the TRUTH about it all. I too would not want to ADMIT or have to bring out every DETAIL of a relationship I was
truly ASHAMED an felt uncomfortable about. They both knew they were breaking the RULES of that church an he himself went too far as in ACTUALLY WEARING RELIGIOUS garments during a sexual encounter. I know she did not want all that out there. She put in a PLEA the family of TRAVIS wants nothing LESS for JODI than DEATH I seen this posted many times by the sisters of TRAVIS on numerous blogs out there. They want her to DIE an they want to WATCH this is why all this had to come out not because JODI wanted to bring it out she told them before it would cause great hurt an maybe destroy marriages the truth would. Just terrible she even went with that Travis but it happens if anything I hope it would make some MEN see they can PUSH SCARE THREATEN ABUSE but it could end up they are DEAD in the end………. not the woman.
were the pics that were accidentally snapped during the killing erased?? i thought for some reason that they were on the camera and the only ones deleted were the nude pics between the two of them..
nevermind, i did know that… martinez has even me confused now,, he does go in circles and the jurors must be tired, confused and so over this, too..
At the top of this PAGE find THE FLORES REPORT an in those comments I think it is DOG posted the photos that the JURY got to see but they are very graphic an I mean graphic. But some of the STABS they count as stabs look like slashes to me not punctures but they are horrible not sure how that will effect the jury.
Okay, last time I’m posting this tonight, I promise! After today, I could not take the lynch mob anymore! Their next target will be the Trayvon Martin case, facts be damned. So please sign the petition if you are inclined. (And don’t worry, I won’t tell if you still watch it until the trial is over – if only to expose their lies and help me list them….one by one….!)
http://www.change.org/petitions/everyone-boycott-nancy-grace-jane-velez-mitchel-jean-casarez-vinnie-politan#
Yeah SIGNED IT!!!! looks like its geting there.
Actually just came across some photos I hadn’t seen before of the knife(s) alleged to have been used in this murder. IF these are legit, the knife WAS in the dishwasher like Jodi said, and it came from a knife block in Travis’ kitchen which means she did NOT bring the knife (or the gun) with her.
There are several pics in a sequence here, its the facebook page of ‘tawndilly’ who has been uploading the trial videos to youtube. The pics are marked ‘copyright-do not copy or repost’ which I find odd as they are supposedly crime scene photos. How did she get these, they’re pretty high-res pics.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=131650680346433&set=pb.100005045049399.-2207520000.1362113077&type=3&theater
Dog;
She’s not only claiming crime scene photos as her own, she’s also using the judge’s picture as her profile pic, and a Caitlin with the same last name comments under the judge’s pic and calls her “mom”, telling her how nice she looks in her robe, and commenting that her mom the judge is wearing her earrings.
Errr…. what? lol
Tawnidilly is not the judge, correct? Just some random person using her photo? What’s with the ‘mom’ comments though? So are these pics legit?
No, I think someone named Tawndilly is being a little careless using the judge’s photo as her profile pic, and claiming to own the photos. Then, under the profile pic, the real Tawndilly’s daughter is playing into the sham by calling her mom, and commenting on her robe. I would think portraying yourself as a judge online and watermarking the state’s photos as your own would be a bad idea, but what do I know? LOL
Tawnidilly is a poster on MyDeathSpace and probably.other sites as well. She’s a realtor and was able to go into Travis’ house when it was up for sale and take pictures of the crime scene (a lot of the blood, fingerprint dust, etc. wasn’t cleaned up. I get the impression that she watermarked her photos because other sites were stealing them.
I get how she can get the house photos after the fact if she’s a realtor but how is she getting the crime scene photos ie the knife/knives?
Exactly, she’s got photos with crime scene markers in them watermarked as her own. Makes no sense.
I have a feeling mama don’t know that !
Perfect for the next “Catfish” episode.
…another shwack load of pics of Travis’ house ‘after the fact’. Some of them give a better perspective the bedroom/closet/bathroom area than we’ve seen from screencaps etc…
http://s193.beta.photobucket.com/user/disneymom69/library/Travis%20Alexander
Lot of pictures WOW that house is HUGE ! that shower is smaller than I thought too. An the floor they were wrestling on is not a huge area really. I can see how he would be slippery wet an she scooted away an ran for the closet tho.
And that whole bathroom/hallway area is much clearer now. I thought it was a much longer hallway out a doorway separate from the bathroom but now I see its almost just like one big area. Makes trying to picture the events of that day a lot easier.
Yes it does that picture they use that is a drawing does not show it well enough to actually see the HOUSE in real view makes a big difference I do believe.
How is this person getting these photos? Some of them have the little yellow crime scene markers in them, right? Weird.
Nevermiind, no these ones don’t. Sorry, was referring to Dogg’s earlier post of FB photos.
thanks for posting these, dog! it does make everything more clear seeing the layout of the house this way, as opposed to the sketch they had.. some parts were hard to follow bc i couldnt visualize what the bathroom looked like. do the jurors get to see these photos?
I don’t think she brought the knife however I do think she brought the gun with her. I think she would have been better going with the temporary insanity plea as I think that’s what happen. You stab someone that many times, you’ve lost your mind.I think something was said or done that put her in a horrible mental state.
I came across this article from 1999 about the Doug Falater case. It has some background information on Kermit and features some of his courtroom antics:
http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/1999-07-01/feature/wake-up-call/
He was 43 then, so he’d be 56-57 now. My favorite line from the article is “His high-pitched voice is grating…”
Oh no I read that an now I am scared ………..said he has won 14 times. An he does get the last word in the end because he has the burden to prove the case I don’t like this………….”This guy here killed his wife,” Martinez said, “and he’s guilty of first-degree murder.”
The jury agreed………………………………….but it is a man stabbing a wife and then drowning her an a neighbor seen the drowning part…………still it was the same court.
The guy was claiming a sleepwalking defense though – it was very farfetched and a real long shot. In the end, the jurors said that the experts convinced them, not so much Martinez’s presentation.
I laughed when he tried to catch the guy in not knowing when his wife’s birthday was, and it turned out that Martinez had the wrong info…LOL. Real sharp there!
That is true. I sure hope they have on some good experts for Jodi.
Ya I laughed when I read that about the birthday too he gets too excited an makes
mistakes but the way he acts is so annoying. I would be horrible on the stand I would
blow up if someone was trying to tell me something that was wrong an make me
say something I did not mean by all those questions all jumbled up over an over
I would be so aggravated it would show on me.
I had to testify one time in my life back in 2005 for a accident I came up on an the young girl drowned in the Tennessee river on a cold January night. It was a light snow but people in Alabama can’t drive well on snow. I was taking it easy an seen a 4 wheeler flying up behind me I had a CB radio an told the 2 drivers (big trucks) ahead of me that a 4 wheeler was just a getting it up to the bridge. Well I was raised in Iowa so I know about snow. I was trained to drive over the Rocky’s an over the Summit in CA. I know what to do. Anyways the 2 yahoo’s ahead of me slowed down a little bit all I could see was tail lights but then they hollered back at me.
Tumbleweed that 4 wheeler is at the top of the bridge an it hit one of us an spun out an hit the wall in the middle.
Well of course little old me creep-ed up the bridge an stopped at the top the peak of it an put on the 4 ways an got out to check on the 4 wheeler. 3 younger ones 17 an 18 were running around screaming down in the water ! we could see a young girl about 17 floating down the river mind you it is snowing an about 30 degrees. Well they wanted to jump in there an I would not let them that bridge is high up in the middle so barges can go under it.
Well a few more big trucks pulled up an one happened to have a ex marine that drove it. Well nobody wanted to jump in an I asked him if I should? he said no maam” well finally the cops show up HWY patrol an Firemen way noisy now we could not hear that Angela calling to us with all that racket on the bridge now. Well they never did call the marina an get a boat down there that I saw. She was alive for a long time hollering at us. Well of course they made us all leave. They never did get the boat out there an found that young girl a week later down river dead. Ya I was upset I had to tell that story an I had the whole jury crying which made me cry more telling it. They never even had the DEFENSE talk to me he just said I have no questions your honor……..
Never knew if the mama got anything from the insurance or state but I did what I could an just told the truth an it was so sad. I can still hear that girl calling her friends names from that river sometimes. If I had known they would not get a boat from that Marina down river just aways not far I would have jumped in there. But that ex Marine he would not let me an I would not let the young ones so she drowned. Stupid kids driving to fast in the snow on a bridge an the 2 drivers ahead of me were driving to fast for the conditions also they could not stop till the other end of the bridge while I stopped no problem at the top. Common Sense is not so common tho anymore. An the girl she was trying to catch snowflakes from outside the window on her tongue going down the road so no seat belt on an flew out into the river. What a terrible night that was.
OH Rhonda, my heart goes out to you. Hugs
Patty
http://www.change.org/petitions/everyone-boycott-nancy-grace-jane-velez-mitchel-jean-casarez-vinnie-politan#
LINK to BOYCOTT HLN !
Because the commentary by HLN’s Nancy Grace, Jane Velez-Mitchell, Jean Casarez, Vinnie Politan, and Dr. Drew on the State Vs. Jodi Arias trial are purposely misleading and often completely false and designed to create a sensationalized mass hatred for Jodi Arias. Their statements are often slanderous and through facebook and other written outlets, libelous. Their comments and opinions are often from unverified anecdotal evidence. Nancy Grace is the leader of “trial by media”. They are not concerned about justice based on the truth, but on a sensational witch hunt she and others at HLN are conducting. It is a travesty for them to call themselves journalists.
Sadly, I have read Numerous things just today on HLN’s “stock’ and advertisers making a “killing” (their words, not mine) on the Jodi Arias case. They have gotten more advertising and merchandising dollars etc off of poor Jodi’s back. They will not shut down the gravy train. Every interview, even on legit news channels (oxy moron?) have NG as a “specialist” She aint going anywhere sadly, except to the bank. perhaps, and I will sign any petition, I also do not watch the channel and never have. I watched NG on Court TV, years ago. But perhaps in the future, if they want to get rid of her but the $$$$ speaks and people listen. UGH
Thanks! The number sign gave me a bit of a problem, but I’ll post the link in case some people aren’t aware of how to change the url:
http://www.change.org/petitions/everyone-boycott-nancy-grace-jane-velez-mitchel-jean-casarez-vinnie-politan
I think a boycott/petition against the HLN Ghouls Gallery is a fantastic idea, i think also, if their advertisers received enough email & letters stating everyone’s disapproval of how they are behaving they might put pressure on the hosts to “cool it” so to speak or at least be fair.
After all it’s the advertisers who pay their salaries.
I hope that everyone understands that “boycott” means to give up watching HLN….I’mon on my sixth day of my own personal “boycott” & feel much better not feeding my head with mindless BS……it makes me feel better about myself and what I stand for….try it….:)
Ya I stopped tonight just had enough it has gone beyond ridiculous now with them all on HLN an IN SESSION.
On my 3rd day 🙂
My thoughts about the gun and where it came from:
She has mentioned her prior thoughts of suicide, and since she was trying to end things with Travis (at least end the parts of their relationship that she felt were immoral), and had just moved back home, and still could not get herself out of his grip, perhaps she did bring a gun, and her entire trip was going to be her last trip out to see the some of the important people (and places) she admired. Maybe all of that extra gas was to drive into the desert afterwards and end things. Serious speculation I know, but it’s a possibility. Even so, she either feels that agreeing that she brought the gun would hurt her case too greatly, or she just really didn’t bring one, or for all we know, TA might have wanted to play the big bad robber / rapist in one of his famous role playing “jizz” games and stick it where the sun don’t shine and get his rocks off. Wouldn’t be the first time he sent HER to gather up all of the little props he wanted to play with. Whatever the case, (there are so many possibilities), it is still very clear that this was not premeditated. She’s far too intelligent to make such a mess of things. Premeditation with her level of intelligence would have meant no phone calls logged, parking on another street, waiting for him to sleep, shooting him with gloves on and walking away, THEN out to the desert to ditch the gun, gloves, etc.
I don’t believe a person who is calculating and carrying out a planned murder is going to make such a mess afterwards – leave a camera behind with a memory card in it, proving you were there? Naked, and date stamped? None of her actions afterwards show any signs of someone who was in their right mind. It all points to a person who was absolutely traumatized by the activities that have just occurred.
I think there will be absolutely no problem with the jury deciding that the shooting was first and it was self defense. It is the stabbing I am so concerned about. I am hoping and praying that she finds just a small memory of him being on top of her to explain his back injuries because I don’t see this happening any other way. Over kill happens in nightmare scenarios where Jodi would have shot at him, and he kept moving. Possibly he went to the mirror / sink area and this is where they BOTH realized initially that he had actually been shot. Upon this realization, he becomes even more enraged and her fear level is now at an all time high as he comes at her again. He ends up on top of her, and the knife comes into play on his back. She gets up again seeing that her monster is still alive, and gives the fatal chest wound.
The ear to ear slicing, I don’t understand. Well,I do if I associate it with past LDS ritual, but is that where her mind went to in all of this craziness? Or is it at that point that her anger boils over from all of his past abuses toward her and she just can’t stop? Or, is it as she said on the stand today “I don’t know if the roommates were home, it wouldn’t have changed anything”.
If she really cannot remember anything, then we can’t rule out a second person. In my heart and in my mind, I know that this event was unplanned and unfortunately for TA, was brought on by his abuse and the fear he had instilled in her. Why she did everything she did afterward, moving him to the shower, cutting his throat, putting a camera in a washing machine, etc, all points to someone who is NOT able to think, someone who HAS been traumatized, is fearful and in a fog.
I wish just one of the lying people who know the truth would take the friggen stand and save this girl’s lie instead of trying to save their egos, their church status, etc. The same rules TA lived and breathed by everyday of his adult life! Hide the truth, save your ego! This particular circle of LDS and PPL has brain washing written all over it, and I believe when she met TA and all of his creepy church and PPL friends, including Chris and Sky H, her brain was forever changed.
She is a victim twice over by all of them as a whole and by Travis, and she was molded into a man pleaser from day one! I don’t think she has even fully come to terms with what he has done to her as a woman. She will one day. As for Mr. prosecutor saying THREE times yesterday “You were sleeping and you didn’t object to his penis inside of you, therefore it was consensual” and the judge, a female no less letting that question go through 3 times with 3 objections before snapping out of her stupor and realizing the horrendous claim he had just made in front of the world, well, Mr. JM you might think it’s ok to place your penis in a sleeping woman, but don’t be surprised if you just lost your entire case. Where I come from, any form of unconsciousness does not mean YES.
This is the most disgusting prosecutor I have ever seen. I hated Jeff Ashton, but this guy is just disgusting!
Gosh I so agree with all of that Jess. I truly would hope just one person would step up too somebody knows something but that tight nit group they are not going to peep a word about anything. The whole roommate thing is fishy. That Flores Report stinks to me. But not to the cops an I am not a cop even makes no sense.
An your so right this guy really is disgusting an scary to me. After reading that other trial he did now I am scared about the stab wounds but some are SLASH wounds really on the back from what I see.
An the throat cutting reeks of atonement from that church for sins it really freaks me out. An I don’t
know if she did that part or someone else did she can’t remember.
Prayers for Jodi to stay strong an the jurors to have some questions an not jump on the JM wagon.
Not sure if somebody has posted this but was this not the date the hearing was about today? If you read thru it seems there might have been a juror issue. http://www.courtminutes.maricopa.gov/docs/Criminal/022013/m5647071.pdf
What is this about???? I wasnt able to get to the link.
Other Court doc.
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/109828551/Jodi-Arias-Court-Documents
I looked at it but I can’t tell heads nor tails of that? not sure what I am looking for tho.
This may sound crazy – but this is my theory after reading the entire police report, watching Jodi not recalling any of the knife thing and the rest of her story and then learning the information about Ashley and her husband Dustin (she was good friend of TA’s, was having hubby problems, going to move in with TA, restraint order on her hubby and she called police to tell them to look at her hubby for this and she is now dead at 28 or 29 – no autopsy I think).
TA charged Jodi in a steroid rage (very common and he was doing steroids to lose fat and get buff for cancun). Jodi did shoot him, eventually ran out of the house. Somebody happened to walk in to the scene after Jodi left (Dustin, maybe?), saw what had happened and decided to finish TA off with the neck cut. This would be a man who was then strong enough, and clear headed enough to do laundry, etc., cover his tracks and leave the blame for whomever started this.
I would not doubt that story either. They are acting very strange in those reports to me also.
An the roommates an all that crap about oh he never tells us when he is going anywhere?
But why would his laptop be out his cell phone an his ring an watch on the counter if he
had been going anywhere that would be odd? to even think he was gone to a business
thing with out those things even.
He had to be home a lot he worked out of his home? an slept weird hours too.
I would think a good investigator would have dug up something after this many years ? strange
Oh Yes!! I’m sure there wasn’t very much real investigation.
The room mates should have to testify.
Sure sounds like reasonable doubt to me. I hope Nurmi brings this up, especially on closing arguments.
you know what it has crossed my mind too, I keep thinking the throat slicing is not something she would have done I allways picture a man doing this, it is almost like a voice keeps repeating this is something done by a male.
If I put the facts aside for a minute only to listen to my gut feeling for a minute I come up with the idea that she was invoved in the shooting panicked ran away maybe even throwing that camera in the laundry. Was she even sure he was dead by this point? Don’t think so . I think the body was found and someone/ maybe 2 finished the job. For some reason I can not picture her slicing his throat or even dragging the body …
Along with the HLN petition, check out this:
http://www.nancygracemustdie.com/
Also, petition to remove Nancy Grace:
http://nancygracemustdie.com/petition/index.php
Here is a new support Facebook page for Jodi, the people, men and women are very sweet, have some good thoughts, not like here with such high legal thoughts but kind words of support for Jodi, In support of them and This page (which I enjoy and feel that so much work has gone into maintaining it) If the page “owners” would like any suggestions as to web design, my only suggestion, is that you can go into Dashboard and have “clicked on items” open into a new page. That will make this site so much easier to navigate and you dont lose your place. As I read thru the comments, I will click on a link posted and it opens in this tab. That is easily fixed thru settings. Thank you for all the hard work! Here is a link to the tiny but growing Facebook page. https://www.facebook.com/appcenter/?from_bookmark=1#!/pages/Jodi-Arias-Support-Page/218082115004964
BTW, they LOVE this site too! I am also feeling a bit uneasy with Jodi not being able to remember (or it seems like to me) her own testimony with Nurmi, granted JM is a jerk and I tend to tremble when I am being yelled at myself. I do however know that I have trouble recalling MOST tramatic events in my life but not something so recent. Example, the fact that she was upset that he was having sex with her while she was asleep, she was upset (it seemed like rape from her tome etc in direct) and now it seems just like it was ok. What is happening to her? She is forgetting what she told on direct. I would think after years, she would have the story etched in her mind. Also, she just told it but when put to her in a “jumbled’ non step by step way, she doesnt remember her own words. Why? I think she has suffered some kind of breakdown. I feel she is not all there. (Please this is not said in a derrogatory way) I feel Jodi, is mentally handicapped and may have been for years. Someone please, if you read this and understand what I am saying, try and explain it to me. Also, if there are any support facebook groups for Jodi, please add me, I like facebook. Hugs all have a wonderful weekend.https://www.facebook.com/patty.white.M
thank you Sandra for starting the petition. in addition to that, i am filing a FCC complaint against HLN tomorrow regarding their content as obscene and misrepresentation of the actual trial itself.
I’m so done with all of their garbage!
Exactly! They can have some vicious dogs if they want, but they need to have some for the other side as well! (And they have – but when they do they kick them off of the air!)
Personally, even though I am glad that as a society we can view this trial and comment, and learn about the underhanded tactics of the prosecution, that this should not have been televised as it will not lead to her having a fair trial.
I also think that in any death penalty case the jury should be sequestered. I always assumed they were, but I guess not.
H Mel, do you know if HLN is technically categorized as a news channel? Or are they under the “Entertainment” category. I’m in Canada so thankfully Nancy’s Disgraceful Face stopped appearing on my TV stations a few years back (until she appeared on dancing with the stars and I almost puked in my mouth), But anyways, I’m not sure how this TV stuff is regulated, but are they getting away with their garbage spewing under the umbrella of entertainment? Is that possible?
They are categorized as a news channel which is a total joke. These HLN shows give journalism a bad name. I’ve stopped watching HLN and watch the trial online.
Thanks Tina…i thought they were but wasn’t sure. And your so right, they are a joke and should be fined from the FCC for the crap that they are reporting as TRUE. I figure even if they don’t do anything, at least filing a complaint with them will alert someone as to what they are doing. And maybe the talking heads at HLN will stand up and take some notice.
I know at least 4 times on Making it in America, they did not bleep out the F word, as they were showing the trial in REAL time, which is a violation of the FCC obscenity rules. NG has taken and edited Jodi’s testimony on a daily basis, and ran it as that is how she responded. Of course, everything out of context, which I would assume violates some type of news reporting laws, because its not true. I may be throwing darts in the dark, and Its not that I am offended personally, I watch it live online. I’m just trying to raise alittle hell with HLN because they are so ruthless and relentless at trying to have this poor girl put to death. Disgusting display of news journalism at its worst
LOL jess….puked in your mouth! hahaha
*** NOTE*** folks are complaining they cant find the comments they post or the replies, well a simple way to find what you commented and any replies is as follows. On this page or any, hold down together ctrl and F, then type in your logon name. Also, I commented above if the page owner wishes. When links are clicked it opens in this page, going to Dashboard or settings for the page you just need to have links open in new page. I LOVE THIS SITE. I don’t watch any TV on the trial, I dont hear none of the nastiness. I get it all here and appreciate all the hard work done here by SJ/ Team Jodi. If I can help, in any way, i would be happy to. I have my own site (not a blog) so I am familiar with the web pages and especially wordpress. Thanks for having me.
Patty
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Except the State. They kill people.
But I do understand your point. I think it just gets hard for people not to say stuff like that after reading and listening to 4 + years of the rest of the world talking about anxiously awaiting this young lady’s execution without even hearing the true facts. And then of course when facts come out that people associate with the possible harming of children, or the sexual exploitation of children, that hits deep nerves too. And then there’s the women who can relate to abuse (and men too for that matter), who are affected by this story. Lynch mobs are very provoking – it’s like they exist just for the sole purpose of of provoking, and they really don’t care what the truth is. Every one of us here can probably relate to some aspect of this girl’s experiences so it does get emotional.
I hope you apply those same feelings toward all of the bloodthirsty people out there.
I don’t think she does Kira. i think she is the same Donna troll from a few pages ago.
Not too bright this one.
Wow, pardon my language if you will, but Martinez is a real douche as well as an ass clown. I’ve been catching up on some of the past videos along with todays trial footage and I’m frankly astounded this is the guy so many news outlets stated “would eat Arias alive ” on the stand. I’m assuming his tactic is supposed to evoke a sense of outrage in the jury by maintaining that tone himself but I don’t think its effective. Jodi really comes off as someone answering honestly and intent on telling the truth , so much so that she will not allow him to manipulate her into saying what he wants her too. I have no idea how the jury is thinking, but I have to believe at least some of them are getting the same impression.
At this point it I find it painfully obvious this wasnt premeditated, no matter how Martinez attempts to draw connections between things. There is simply nothing about it that seems planned, leading up to the incident and especially afterwards. I am really curious about the roomates however as well as having a difficult time seeing Jodi physically capable of parts of this murder.
There just seems to be something missing, a piece of this entire puzzle that makes it all make sense. NO MATTER WHAT, I MAINTAIN MY BELIEF JODI IS INNOCENT OF PREMEDITATED MURDER AND I AM STILL CONFIDANT THAT THE JURY WILL FIND THE SAME WAY TO.
100% agree Gerald.
I cannot believe the level of hatred and gore on some JA facebook support sites. I literally shake in my seat when I reply back to these monsters. I am stunned that people like these haters exist in a ‘civilized’ society. Seriously! Seriously!!
I pray no harm comes to JA.
I know! It almost makes you want her to get M2 and serve a few years. If she is let out now, I have no doubt in my mind she will face an injury (or death). She will need to go into hiding and fast. And unsure if she has the resources to do that.
So sad that society acts this way. For heaven’s sake, at least let her be found guilty first (if the jury reaches that verdict) before you go after he throat!
They’re all just little sheep playing follow the leader. I really wish I hadn’t been turned on to that HLN site (i’d never heard of it until two weeks ago), I really get consumed arguing with some of the rejects on that site. People just follow what everything else is going, probably more than half of them don’t even have a clue what it is they’re arguing about.
This has nothing to do with the trial, but I was just wondering, how would people here rate Jodi’s IQ?
Unsure – but I know that if you had me in a jail cell for over 4 years, I would be pretty messed up to give an accurate testimony in court.
I feel she has an exceptional grasp of the language and is articulate but sadly I think she has lost some of her ability to be focused, she seems PTSD and perhaps even an undiagnosed but highly functioning autistic. I do not think she gets or understands sarcasm and does not distinguish between a raised voice and someone being angry at her. Also, I just think she is incredibly naive and a bit narcissistic but only as a coping mechanism. I think she picks up on others personalities, likes and desires and takes them on as her own. Just look at her likes on her my space and compare them to TA’s. I dont think Jodi has yet became Jodi.
Interesting that you should say that…I’ve noticed that Jodi has some high functioning autistic traits as well. I have an adult sister and a son on the spectrum. Of course I’d never play armchair psychiatrist and diagnose Jodi.
I imagine that her IQ falls in the high end of normal range.
She is very literal. It can be annoying but it is such a trait of autism and she is high functioning but had problems with holding a long term job and relationships. Was attached quickly to men AND took on their traits, habits, likes etc. So yes, I have thought she is possibly autistic.
Very true…her literal, black-and-white way of interpreting words, tone, the volume of someone’s voice, etc. is consistent with Asperger’s/HFA for sure. Some people think that she has a “flat affect,” which is another trait.
Not trying to diagnose, either, but I agree with these observations.
In fact, just a couple of weeks ago, I commented here about there seeming to be a “dash of Asperger’s” in Jodi’s behaviour. Hyper-literal, yes, emotionally phlegmatic, and while verbally smart, not very savvy in the social realm. I don’t get the sense that she had very many true friends, or a good same-sex friendship. And it looks as though she may have imitated social groups/cliques when she perceived they might let her into their circle.
Of course, these traits are being interpreted left, right and centre as lack of empathy, and as devious and opportunistic. An alternative view is not even being entertained: that she may have been, her entire life, compensating for naivete, loneliness and frustration. None of this to say that people who are on the spectrum are angels. I know several people with mild or moderate Asperger’s syndrome, and they are, despite a few oddities, still ordinary people. And miles and miles away from this term “sociopath” which is being thrown around most unprofessionally, as if its clinical weight should put an end to any nuanced discussion. There is a proper time/situation to discuss the symptoms of sociopathy, but it should never be used as a code-word for “shut the hell up” or “you should be ashamed for thinking it may be otherwise.”
You and I agree on all points. It is almost text book on the Autism spectrum, I was thinking Aspergers too but, they are a bit more aggressive IMO but I am not diagnosing her either. Other than this with TA, nobody had brought up any aggressive/violent behavior. I do believe however, based on the Jodi I have seen and heard, she has a form of Autism.
I’ve been waiting for this topic to come up & I’m glad it did. She is so much like my ASD son with her literal interpretations and her affect, it’s uncanny really. It may also be why her recall is so detailed with some memories that others would find insignificant to remember. It broke my heart when the Pros. accused her of “having an attitude” last week because I saw that same tearful response in her that I see in my son when he is misunderstood. Often his very matter of fact and honest to a fault responses can get him into trouble with teachers. They assume he is being a smart a$$, when in fact he is just being brutally honest. It is not the case that people with ASD have more violent or aggressive tendencies. This is a myth. I’m sure they may have more mood dis regulation, but they are not typically more violent or aggressive than others. I’ve worked with many on the spectrum as well, and their IQ scores can be astounding. It’s interesting that so many people have noticed possibility with her. It’s such a subtlety in some. And, I don’t think we should be hard on ourselves for talking about – it’s just an interesting observation, not an attempt to diagnose.
UNF, I believe in the court minutes they did have her undergo an IQ test, and something else, I just can’t remember.
If you go here and type in Arias Jodi you can pull up the minutes, there are lots of them though and I can’t remember the date that one was.
http://www.courtminutes.maricopa.gov/
Look this picture, taken after she said Travis broke her left hand, ring finger. Oh and it is deformed and obviously NOT the day she killed him! Nurmi and JM must see this. Photos dated 2008
http://www.myspace.com/jodiarias/photos/22751045#%7B%22ImageId%22%3A19482892%7D
Oh nice find Patty!
Thank you. OH it is plain as day and also with her hands over her face today Day 25, while crying at the end of early session, her hands are in a curved position, much like the one in the picture with her sister,and the deformed finger looked fine, But we all know it is not but broken/deformed.
I can’t find a DATE on the photo. Needs to be BLOWN up tho I enlarged it an it does look bent an the knuckle is bigger like it is now. Needs to be looked into tho as many photos as she liked to take an be in there has to be proof out there dated before to show this is true. I too believe that finger was just re-injured in that struggle that day. I can see now from day to day that same finger some days is more swollen or even red on some days from being bumped or squeezed or simply some arthritis aggravation too it.
This is odd and awesome. now this is Travis’s blog, you know the one where he wants to Marry a Gold Digger etc. OMGosh he is so full of himself. However, Something is happening in TAville. Jodi supporters are actually commenting on HIS blog. Supporting her, telling him (his blog, but him) that he used and abused her. Wild stuff.
http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1289287711660531743&postID=6232152750432103977
Yes I commented too in there somewhere but the more I read his blogs the more I started to hold true discontent for him as he is Arrogant. self righteous.conceited.belligerent,hypocritical an I could go on an on but also he speaks as he is actually God’s Gift to women. That type of personality does not fit with Jodi’s. I know some women love men like that but I truly despise it in man or woman. Some people call it CONFIDENT ! ha I think it is DEVILISH an shows no empathy for truly how others feel.
All of the comments on there about the T-shirt: “It said BEING BETTER BLOG on the back!!!!”….and then someone posts this text from Travis to Jodi:
“You are the ultimate slut in bed,” Alexander wrote in the messages. “When it’s done, the intensity will make your body feel like you have been raped… You’ll rejoice in being a whore that’s sole purpose in life is to be mine, to have animalistic sex with me and to please me in any way I desire.”
To me, that DEFINITELY sounds like someone who would send a TRAVIS ALEXANDERS’ T-shirt and TRAVIS’ panties to Jodi!
SJ,
Have you seen this??????
Please read, I am super sleuth tonight. In the book Travis was writing her detailed some info regarding his horrible early years. He stated that his mother used a revolver and shot up his fathers car and then his father took an ax to all his mothers things. Waa laa, That is the gun Travis kept, his mothers revolver. Probably as a momento. He was the only Male at home with his mother and 3 sisters, the boys I guess went with Dad? But, in his own words. My mother used a revolver and shot up my fathers car. That would account for him having a cheapo whimpy gun that probably didnt work well. Only one bullet in it.
Wow, do you have a link?
YES I DO, the follow link to a Blog by Travis Alexander (his my space and the intro to his book “Raising You” it states, in TA’s words that HIS mother used a revolver to shoot up their Dads car. What if that gun he had was hers, something he kept and Jodi found while cleaning!!!
http://www.myspace.com/tvalexander/blog/391540168
This can show TA had a gun, revolver too.
Thank you!
Good morning!
I wake up this morning incensed that I just watched hours of mental and verbal abuse by Juan Martinez on Jodi Arias! We have to keep getting the word out. Something good and decent can come from all of this, maybe….We can expose the real abusers and liars in our court system and in the media!
http://www.change.org/petitions/everyone-boycott-nancy-grace-jane-velez-mitchel-jean-casarez-vinnie-politan
Thank You, Maggie. I signed the petition lastnight. I am forwarding the website to my sister n husband (they cant stand NG either). I wish we could make it a goal to have the petition reach 100 by the end of the day or by the end of the weekend. We have enough people hear fed up with the media and there yellow journalism, we can help n reach that goal. I also wanted to bring up a very serious issue. We are in a severe bullying epidemic and some of us are educating our kids on this very same issue. How can we when we have these journalists on air acting in SOCIAL MEDIA BULLYING.
《《 LETS MAKE A DIFFERENCE PEOPLE 》》
LC – you are so right. Bullying is out of control in this country. Especially among the youger generation.
Hi Maggie!I’ve also signrd the petition and forwarded it to 2 FB support groups(both secret ones,so no haters there)!Some people from there have already signed it!
Just saw P Morgan on CNN talking about JA. Every one on that panel believes she will receive the DP. WTF is wrong with them. Worst criminals got away with life in prison. Are they targetting JA because she is a young pretty women? I am sick of the media and their infatuation with the DP. Guys, I am very depressed and and sad after seeing her sob on the stand. How can people not feel the slightest sympathy towards her? This case is a measure of the level of empathy in this country. And so far the needle is pointing to empty. I am so glad this group exists. You guys are a glimmer of hope for humanity.
How many people thought that Casey Anthony would get the DP?
Yeah….
I am not related to JA or even from the same country, yet I feel a lot of empathy towards her. She was used by that guy and please don’t tell me she liked it!! Some women will take abuse from a man to extreme limits and not report it to the police. She took abuse from him and was tolerant of his behavior until he drove her to the edge. I just want to tell those idiots on the hate pages that even if she gets the DP, and I know she will not, there is something called appeal after appeal….and hopefully by the end of this decade the before the DP will be abolished in the US.
….and yeh, you are absolutely right
Yep Kira- I was thinking about how the jury was harassed and threatened by the hate mob after Casey Anthony was acquitted. I was afraid that this jury may be too afraid to acquit her if they feel like she deserves it.
Yesterday, when the aprox. ages of the jury was posted I felt a lot better. Many of the jurors are senior age, and some who are not, are women. Most who would fear consequences for an acquittal would be the age to have young kids, they worry about their family being harassed and threatened.
Roak- Don’t feel depressed. Just think, the defense is JUST getting started. They still have many witnesses. The state has NOTHING but gruesome pictures for shock value, and proof of lies that she admitted to before she was even cross-examined. Again, they have NOTHING.
The media is talking to people who are not on the jury and do not matter. Stay positive, I know it was really hard to see Jodi cry and upset yesterday, but she KNEW it was coming, and I’m sure she so relieved today, and happy that it is over.
I will stay positive 🙂 for her and every victim of the insidious media. Thanks for your post 🙂
Your welcome- I was bummed yesterday a bit too. Then I remembered how PISSED Nancy Disgrace was and how STUPID she and all the other haters looked When Casey was acquitted, and It made me smile just thinking of the possibility, lol!
It made my day then too to see NG so pissed, along with her lynch mob. What a relief to find that the jury was sane after all, away from her spewings.
There was little evidence other that Casey had lied. All photos showed a happy mother-child relationship.
And I always thought during NG’s spewings, it is such a devastating thing when a mother kills her own child, something must be so terribly wrong, how can this ungraceful hyena gloat so much?
I used to watch her show when she dealt with missing children, but then I realized she was just tear jerking herself for a few nights and never followed up later on the stories. I stopped watching.
I do think the jury here should be sequestered. It is shocking that they are not.
yeh, but the DA gets re-cross after defense, right?
i just cant believe ALL the people on tv that just spout bs! even anderson cooper and randi kaye are in on the act for RATINGS. JODI SHOULD BE PAID! she is creting millions for these people while nip at a carcass.
and they are ALL saying (well 97%) jodi’s tears were fake, or she was smiling not crying, or the tears were for getting caught, tears were for herself… WELL, tv experts, WHICH ONE WAS IT? just throw vile at the wall something gonna stick.
now, maybe im being stupid, but i personally feel they were real, she is remorseful, etc. i can believe she was “almost out of body” and can’t remember it all or why she caused ALL those wounds. it WAS overkill. was no reason for all that. was that hate? or just freaked out, panicked?
i WISH she wold not have agree w/ lil marti so much…. “i must have…” “ok…” “i can understand that”, etc.
come on Monday. Jodi redemption?
i should have added, EASILY COULD BE JODI HIT HER HEAD when ta slammed her and SUFFERED A CONCUSSION, thus the spotty memory, the fog, BUT ppl can still function, et. albeit haphazardly.
Frank I absolutely believe Monday will be redemption. Did you follow the Anthony closely by chance? If you did you know these same people were saying the same things. They are only catering to the popular opinion. They say things for shock value.
Just remember the things that the jurors see only. JM grilled Jodi for 4 days and was not able to trick her into telling a lie. He tried every trick he had nothing. Remember she is charged with premeditation. That was not proven AT ALL. Now, if she did not PLAN it, then why would she kill him?
It is obvious she is not a violent person, she was not a stalker, she moved away, he wasn’t able to even make sense of his theory that she planned anything. Now that he has gone into depth about her “planning of the murder” I believe during redirect, they will further prove the states theory is ridiculous.
There is a fine line between catering to and leading public opinion.
The prosecution proved nothing yet, other than Jodi lied and admitted killing him.
Finger, gas cans, red car, gun, rental, rope or no rope, slippery bathroom, journal entries missing the abuse, evidence of lifelong murderous evilness by snooping into a prior cheating boyfriend’s email…
NOTHING.
i DID follow casey a.
i basically thought she was guilty but it was NOT proven. if an accident, a terrible tragedy, why not just say so right then. bam, ordeal ‘over’.
but, u never kno how you will react, to something like that, and the family, AND SO YOUNG, etc.
jodi ended up telling the truth tho, casey never admitted anything. but again, was NOT proven. i am a INNOCENT until PROVEN person.
once ANYONE is indicted and subjected to a trail and a DA, a person eating farina 3 times a week instead of eggs could be viewed as being sinister and a murderer!
good, tell me how many defense witnesses are going to be called? Can’t wait to see them all back up jodi’s story.
JODI HAD A CONCUSSION!!!! oh, that’s GOLD for defense!!, come on…
ur right, NO COMPASSION anymore. that their loss.
Was wondering if the administrator could put a link to the petition on the home page here somewhere? Thanks!
http://www.change.org/petitions/everyone-boycott-nancy-grace-jane-velez-mitchel-jean-casarez-vinnie-politan
OH YEAH! what about when jodi said “the cell she is is living in is bigger than ta closet “.
mistrial? grounds for APPEAL? did jury see shackles on jodi when Lil Marti made her act like a linebacker?
I don’t foresee a mistrial over that, but, LOL! She DID get JM to lose his sh1t:)
I didn’t get that. Why is the jury not allowed to know she’s not living in jail? Wouldn’t they assume if she’s on trial for murder that she would be in jail??
*aargh*…. why is the jury not allowed to know she IS living in jail….
They obivously do. She was arrested in July 2008…where do they think she’s been all this time? Someone who’s facing the DP wouldn’t be free on bond.
Ya that’s why I don’t understand why it was such a big deal she made the comment about her jail cell. I think she could have been out on bond, it was set at 2 million dollars or something like that.
YO! Lil Marti did NOT like that she said that becos he KNOWS it can be grounds for legal filings.
AND i BET jodi knows this!
the reason is, it is VIEWED AS PREJUDICIAL for the accused. it is why jodi does not wear her prison garb to trial. “THEORY of Law”: it makes the accused ALREADY seem guilty.
cos they r in jail already, etc. the thinking/human nature of the jury is to think “they must have enuf evidence against her…”, etc. “and if so let’s keep her where she is…”
AND if u got the $$, usually u can get bail! & wear ankle jewelry.
The prosecutor says that is a small closet??????????????????? I live in NYC That closet is a studio in Manhattan, So she says no. obviously Martinez has a HUGE CLOSET!!!! That was so out of line do we need to know where you live. OBJECTION OBJECTION this Judge is terrible. She has allowed so many remarks by the prosecutor that are uncalled for..Nurmi needs to object more even if he is overruled. He asked her if the closet was small. Not to her. That is it..MOVE ON MARTINEZ imagine being married to this little toad. This Prosecutor seems so over the top in RAGE!! & He has the media helping him.
No sh*t, I know people whose kitchen isn’t as big as that closet. Not everyone is wealthy with a half-million dollar house Martinez…
If I didn’t know any better, I’d bet this judge has let JM by with a lot more BS lately because she does not see him winning this case and she doesn’t want to be blamed, lol!
MANY grounds for an appeal if they really lose!
Good morning Peeps! Well, yesterday was a tough day and I’m glad it’s over. Jodi did well but you can see it is taking a toll. Hang in there kiddo! So here we are after 25 days and as far as I can see, the only thing the prosecution has proved is that they have a THEORY of premeditated murder! That’s it, that’s all they have! At this point, I’m not even sure they can make 2d murder stick. With the age range of the jury, I’m sure that at least a few of them are sick of the Martinez freak show and not convinced of the “Femme Fatale” sign they’ve hung on Jodi’s neck! I’m still standing with my original statement several days back. Manslaughter with time already served!
I’m with you Dynamo, and the defense is just getting started. I think it will only get better from here.
I see it as a Manslaughter case also.
FYI everybody.
Paste from recent CBS news site.
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“Martinez is his own worst enemy,” Mel McDonald, a prominent Phoenix defense attorney and former judge, told ABC News. “He takes it to the point where it’s ad nauseam. You have difficulty recognizing when he’s driving the point home because he’s always angry and pushy and pacing around the courtroom. He loses the effectiveness, rather than build it up.”
“He’s like a rabid dog and believes you’ve got to go to everybody’s throat,” he said.
“If they convict her and give her death, they do it in spite of Juan, not because of him,” McDonald added.
Wow- finally, someone with the guts to speak the truth!
hmmmmm. just wondering if a post above from a “mel” is this same person-ie-the former judge-he stated he is filing a complaint today! i doubt it though—i mean i doubt if it is the same person from the above paste of mine that would be posting here. who knows though?
Joe
Look, I want not guilty as much as anyone, but keep in mind Mel lost the Doug Grant case to Juan, so these two have a history.
Doug Grant only got five years though, right? Wasn’t Juan pushing for more? Technically, that’s not a loss….(off to research the case).
For sure though grant should have gotten zero years….main point is that Mel and Juan have history so not exactly impartial. Go Jodi!
I missed most of yesterdays trial after the lunch break. What is this email all about that was sent to Travis from Jodi dated approximately June 9th 2008?
It was an email she sent to him 3 days after she killed him. It was basically an attempt to act like she didn’t know he was dead.
Ooooh… had this been brought up before during her initial confessions or was this new evidence?
Its the first time the PA had admitted it into evidence, but her A had already asked he if she had left him a voicemail, text messages, and emails after he had died. It wasn’t anything new, just the first time it was put in front of the jury
I’ll whatever you in the nose!!!! OMG, is that really his big moment to prove pre-med? He thinks that is a threat? This guy is a clown!!!
Just curious as to what you guys think about jodi claiming yesterday that TA may or may not of said “fucking kill you bitch”? I don’t have an exact quote but it was something along the lines of he may or may not of said it, the words are in my head.
Also, if he did say it, is it so unbelievable considering she just shot him in the head? I kinda thought the tard JM would bring that up, but it shouldn’t surprise me considering he was running around like a chicken with his head cut off for 5 days.
What she said was she wasn’t sure if he said “I’ll fucking kill you bitch” or if he said ” fucking kill you bitch”. She said he said it, she just wasn’t sure he said the I’ll in fron of it it or not like Kermit said when he repeaeted what she said
Ok, so she wasn’t speaking of the whole comment, just the word ill. Gotcha.
What about question 2? If he said it, wouldn’t it be understandable considering she just shot him in the face? If I wasn’t incapacitated after that type of thing, I’d probably be infuriated & say some crazy sh!t. The more I think about it, even if he kept coming at her after the shot, wouldn’t TA be the one defending himself? Idk, while I’ve been inclined to believe JA & despise JM, something flipped for me yesterday. The last thing she remembers is shooting TA & Him being on the floor.. But she still has to defend herself? Wonder if the jury is thinking the same thing?
Can’t wait for Nurmi to get back up there Monday & hopefully turn it around
travis is incompacitated in seconds, and dead in a minute, from gun shot
Totally agree. I’m just trying to stick with Jodi’s story & make sense of it. Impossible? Maybe but I’m certainly trying & this is the only site I’ve been to that can state an opinion without flipping out.
I don’t believe he died by the gunshot. I think you have to picture the entire event happening like a non-stop action scene, no long pauses in between sequences just bang bang bang one right after the other.
– I believe he was hit in the head with a bullet
– got up off the floor, probably still coherent but dazed (drunk-like)
– he leaned over the sink (looking in mirror maybe, explains blood all over sink)
– she stabbed him in the back a few times, he’s trying to get away at this point
– he turned and put his hands up to defend (hand wounds) while walking backwards away from her up the hallway (hallway is only 11 feet long, that’s only 4 steps for a taller guy)
– she stabbed him in the chest at which point he fell to his back with his head landing on the carpet where hallway/bedroom meet (I think she stabbed him in the chest while they were in motion because the knife didn’t go in that far. If he had been on the floor and she plunged the knife in his chest it would have gone in deeper)
– she got on top and hacked his throat until he was dead
– dragged him back down hallway and put him in the shower
After that point she gathered the weapons and camera, rinsed them + Travis’ body in shower, got the cup from under the sink, used it to pour water on floor to dilute blood for easier cleaning, tried to do a clean up, went downstairs, knife in dishwasher, clothes + camera in washer, left the house…
Dog?
You decided you don’t believe it was self defense?
No no, I do. I think the events of that day went just as she explained, for the most part…. the pictures in the shower, dropping the camera, then BOOM! the body slam and then the sh*t storm started. In my comment above I started from the point of the gun shot, that’s all. I’ve really been thinking about this a lot, different scenarios, trying to picture how it would go down if I were in that situation. The only thing I think might differ from Jodi’s version (if she could remember the knife part) was that once he was shot in the head he saw red (as in rage) and she saw that too so she became the ‘aggressor’ if you will…. kind of “I have to get him before he gets me”…. know what I mean?
Ah, yes I see.
I do think the middle of the back stabs were done while the knife wielding person was not able to stab deeply…I don’t think they were facing his back at that moment or they would have gone deeper like the knife to the heart and done more damage. Probably while he was on top of her. (if one is going that direction, lol)
I thought that too….. he was on top of her and she was slashing from the bottom… so I watched that part of the trial again with the medical examiner. He explained about the different types of knife wounds… I can’t remember the terminology he used but basically a stab is deep and less width, whereas the other is wider but not as deep. He said most of the wounds on his back were considered ‘stab’ wounds. Were her arms long enough to be able to reach around what I’m assuming is a fairly broad-chested guy and stab him? Slash, yes, but stab from the bottom? That got me to thinking of different scenarios…
Hi, Is the trial not on today? I was getting ready to tune in and I noticed it’s not up yet.
No, back on Monday.
Not today, back on Monday…
ANOTHER DAY OFF, gesz.
Dont forget, this trial isn’t close to being over. The defense needed to get her on the stand so they could get more evidence into the trial. Everytime they tried, well, almost everytime they tried to get evidence in, the PA would object because there wasn’t any foundation as to the evidence. They put her on the stand before they wanted to I think, just so they could get this other evidence into the case. If you think she has a chance now, just wait till the battered / abuse experts hit the stand, and the other evidence that can now be brought into the trial. Next week shoudl be a good week for her, and I would guess will be the end of the case for her. I hope so, I need to get back to work soon!
I agree n I cant wait! Martinez is going to poop his pants!! Lol
Here is a link to the FCC complaints website, in case any of you would like to also file on HLN….if you can’t get the link from here, go to their website and click under “take action” tab, and go through the prompts.
http://www.fcc.gov/complaints
I saw an interview with Jean Casares and some woman friend of Travis’. This woman says she had a gift (basically a psychic) and she addressed Travis one night at a dinner function for that pyramid scheme crap they all worked for. She says she sensed darkness around him so she says “She took him into the women’s restroom because it was the only place where nobody was so she could give him a psychic reading. LMAO….I knew it was all a lie right then. Come on ladies back me up here…when have you ever been out and the ladies room be empty?!!!! Everyone is jumping in trying to get 15 min of fame.
These people jumping on board saying how great Travis was, obviously heard the phone tapes and don’t care that he was a was self centered, arrogant, and wanted to do sick things to her. It’s obvious from the tapes that this young woman was totally in love with Travis and although he didn’t return those feelings, he certainly used her and mistreated her in all ways.
That Gus guy said during an interview he himself witnessed Jodi getting a phone call from Travis and how she coward down under him just on the phone….so imagine in person.
haha I heard her the other night on some other show an what stuck out in my mind was OH YES WE KISS AN HUG an in my mind I am thinking ya an Travis is feeling you up an you like it. Disgusting woman is all I see trying to downgrade Jodi an Uplift a creep !
I know she was full of shit but what really got me was the part that she saus, she held his hands n told him there was a dark cloud aroundchim, then she said they BOTH started crying n they bonded. Idk of any guy that cries or would cry during a hand psychic reading. REALLY?! HOW FAKE!
Totally fake. I picture her trying to pull Travis into the ladies’ room and him saying “What the fuck are you doing?”
I never post on stuff like this but I feel addicted to this trial! It seems as though all I’ve read & hear through the media is pro prosecution. Can not anyone at least listen to the evidence/arguments with out putting her in the “chair”? She already admitted killing the guy & I do think she deserves to continue residing where she does for a very long time. I can’t help but feel her pain. I think she loved this guy so much she was willing to do ANYTHING for him, to please him. I think he took MAXIMUM advantage of her willingness out of that love with no regard for her or any consequences for his actions. And to top it all off USED his god to help him along with his agenda. Really? Baptizes her then gives it to her in the ass & says it “ok”? Again, really? I’m not really sure why the prosecuter keeps badgering her over things like “how many gas cans” she had. One, three what’s the difference? Half the time when hes yelling at her about her memory I can’t remember what the question was? If he’s so sure she premeditated the whole thing why won’t he let her “add” her little detail to a yes or no answer? It seems if he had a rock solid case it wouldn’t matter what she added. I do believe in the death penalty but NOT for Jodi.
I agree with all of that !
that dr. jeff gardier backed jodi testimony as her being authentic. AND went on to say that becos of ta’s personality, he should’ve avoided a girl like jodi, cos the things colliding were gonna spell trouble…
or along those lines.one of the only times ive seen guy and agreed with him.
imo, if only TA treated her with respect and loved her all woulda been ok. instead, he treated her like a whore for his fantasies AND degraded her to boot!
HE WAS ALL ABOUT TRAVIS… “look at me! love me! i am great! i have a purple mercedes!”
This just occurred to me but if someone dropped my digital camera, yes I might curse at them, at least under my breath (I am Canadian after all, hee hee), but my next action would be to pick it up and see if it works, not chase after the person who dropped it in order to throttle them.
Also, am I the only one who wants to make up a second facebook account so I can go on HLN’s facebook and tell them all off for their disgraceful reporting?
Another thing, they all act like none of them have ever had sex except missionary style. Apparently NG has had sex at least once as she has twins, which she just keeps going ON and ON about. I have to wonder what kind of adults they will grow up to be with a mother like her. Can you imagine trying to reason with her as a teenager? They have my sympathy.
Oh and one more thing. HLN wants only sensational news. They are nothing more than a glorified tabloid. News flash, there is LOTS of good news out there! How about reporting some? Or at least follow up on some of the things they have reported. No, the moment the excitement of the latest dirty gossip is over, they move on to something else.
I feel better, thanks for listening guys 🙂
No, if she has twins maybe she never had sex, she had IVF, LOLOLOLOLOL
Or intrauterine insemination!!
I think Nancy was close to 50 when she had her twins, so it was almost certainly an IVF or intra-uterine conception.
I had to laugh at the part in your comment about sex because I’ve been on some those those Travis+ forums and they’re going on and on about how sick and disgusting Jodi is, calling her a whore and a slut for participating in such animalistic sexual encounters and I’m thinking really, are you people all prudes or what? I didn’t hear anything throughout the whole trial that struck me as being too off-the-wall…lol. But I’m Canadian too BevM so maybe Canadians are just freaky that way… lol
If those others would just read the Flores Police report…the interview he had with Marie “Mimi” Hall…they would read what Mimi told Detective Flores about her and Travis…they have known each other for about a year…met at LDS church…were hanging out and getting to know each other better since February and March…Mimi told Travis that she didn’t want to be anything more than “just” friends and would understand if he wanted to take someone else to Mexico. it was too late to change the plans and they agreed to go as friends… I found that statement from her to be odd because it sounds like she and Travis were talking a lot during their hanging out and getting to know each other better…knowing his reputation with Jodi…I can just imagine that his and Mimi conversations were sexual in content…And for her to be the one to go on this trip with him…I am totally surprised that she waited until the last minute to go to his house and check on him…something doesn’t sound right with this either…
Heh heh Dog, We have to do SOMETHING to stay warm up here. I agree with you. Nothing they did was THAT kinky in my opinion. Odds are SOMEONE on HLN has been spanked or tied up or at least fantasized about such things. In fact I’d be willing to bet my house on it!
Just had to add, has anyone ever heard from the girl who was going to Cancun with TA? I wonder what she though of him having marathon sex with another woman hours before her trip? I’m sure she was impressed.
That would’ve been Mimi Hall, I blv she was the 2nd person on the stand. Yea… pretty much TA was a nice guy in her eyes.
No one wants to badmouth him since he is gone. Both Lisa and Marie/Mimi didnt want to date Travis anymore, I am sure they saw his smarmy side. She was only going to Cancun for a free trip and would not be sharing a room with Travis. Both of these girls were the type of girl he was looking to marry and they turned him down. I don’t really have to wonder why.
Agreed…if Travis were still living, I doubt that Lisa would be feeling so charitable toward him. She was MAD in that letter and rightly so.
letter submitted to cnn 3/1/13…
Dear CNN:
i USED to have some respect for the CNN stable of channels. but with your recent coverage and blatantly biased opinions against Jodi Arias, any respect has replaced and i now equate CNN with the National Inquirer. at least we all know the Nat. Inq. doesn’t pretend to be that respected.
Seems to me CNN, HLN, TRUtv, etc. ALL should be paying Ms. Arias for the oodles of ratings and cash CNN MUST bet raking in, since you keep adding coverage.
SHAME ON CNN!
Wish, we could sign this one too, Frank. They should be ashamed of themselves but they only care about $$$.
Jodi was running away from travis, she had to defend herself. I use to be in an abusive relationship, anytime i ran i was chased and threatened and if i tried to get to a phone my abuser would rip the cord out of the wall, so if i tried to get to a door i was stopped. the reason for pulling the cord out of the wall and stopping me from leaving was so i could not get help in any way. my ex did not want the cops involved, oh by the way the abuse i endured was behing closed doors no one and i mean no one new about it.
Hi guys. Am catching up on afternoon day 25.
What a roller coaster (her entire testimony) and a puzzle that does not fit together no matter which way you look at it. Just when I think I have a grasp of what went on, something new comes along and derails my train. This is the trial of the century, in my opinion.
I know everyone has their own version/ideas… here is my latest after hearing her testimony Thursday:
I am convinced that Jodi suffers from at least 2 personalities. I say this because when her story is taken as a whole, it doesn’t make sense. I am being very serious.
The odd behaviors involving gas cans (buying a third to save money then returning it? Come on, Jodi is very smart), the different personalities (even on the stand she has morphed a few times, not to mention the difference in the 48 hours interview!), most of all her “fogginess” reminds me of the fictional book Primal Fear… but fugue states are real.
She is describing entering and exiting a fugue state perfectly IMO, although I’m not an expert. It would certainly explain her asking Flores for information post-murder, and knowing in general something “very bad” happened. The water splashed on the floor… makes no sense. The knife plus the gun… makes no sense. The camera moving from upside down near the bathroom to upside down near the hall. The camera in the washer. NOTHING adds up.
I think she has at least 2 personalities. I’ve seen others comments that she doesn’t appear to have acted alone… multiple personality disorder would explain this.
Anyone?
She needs help, she does not need to be in prison.
I was reading about fuege states last night and thought it applied to what happened after the shooting. But I hadn’t thought about it as far as the gas cans go. Interesting.
Another poster had posted that they frequently travel that same road that Jodi Arias had traveled and that they take filled gas cans, water, and food in the event of a break down of their car…they said when traveling on that road you were miles out with not much of nothing in between…
If you are a woman of Jodi’s size traveling alone you might want to have more than one gas can, or several. It would be extremely dangerous to become lost in the desert and run out of gas at that time of year, when the temps are over ninety. If you decide to pump ten gallons of extra gas, it would be practical to put it into three five gallons cans. Why? They would be terribly heavy to lift and safely pour otherwise. The “case of water from Costco” in the trunk is also consistent with travel-wise behavior.
I totally agree that it makes sense to pack gas cans and water. What doesn’t make sense is that Jodi bought a 3rd gas can to save money on gas. She then admitted in court that it didn’t make sense financially, so later returned it. Jodi is sharp-as a-tack in my opinion, I would love to have her ability to articulate.
So…. some of the things she does is not very smart which is not consistent with her high intelligence level. Even in her interrogation she says if she was going to commit a crime she’d wear gloves.
That is just one example I was giving – and the theory with multiple personality goes something along the lines of trauma/abuse victims needing to compartmentalize to stay sane. She would not even be aware of her different personalities. Perhaps her second personality is not so smart and/or tries to trip her up.
Roseanne Barr has admitted to having that disorder (but has successfully integrated them). I would love to hear what she thought if she is watching this trial.
I’m still not clear on the relevance of the gas cans. You’re going to stick out more filling gas cans and putting them in your trunk than you are just filing up your car. Either way you’re stopping at a gas station to do this, if you’re paying by CC or debit there will be a trail, so what is the point? I get that the prosecutor is trying to say she wanted to travel through AZ undetected but if that were the case its as easy as paying for your gas with cash and NOT keeping the receipt.
But again, devils advocate… if the prosecutor was right and her intention was to travel undetected, is she really that cocky that she would keep all the receipts thinking she could go and commit murder, get away with it, and still claim her travel expenses as a business deduction on her taxes????
Sony Cyber-shot DSC-H9 8.1 MP Digital Camera $150. bucks on e-bay, maybe jodi should of bought him a new camera. Instead of killing him, that might make more sense. we will see where this all goes next week, but with no one to back any of her allegations, and considering all of the cash he lent her and spent on her, the cost of a replacement camera seems like the way to go. will the jury be able to hear how cheap a new camera would be? or maybe she can claim she didn’t know anything about cameras. . . .just saying
Cute post. Might I remind you that Travis was having money problems, as his ex Lisa testified to in court. He borrowed money from his rich Mormon friends, and Jodi as well. He was over extended financially and his house was under water. He sent Jodi a text that was shown in open court that he was “trying to save his house”.
Hello Support Team, I am so happy that I found all of you on this website. I am amazed at all the support Jodi is getting. Unfortunately, I missed out on hearing since the trial started and just started watching when the Cross Examination started. As many have expressed their opinion of JM, I can only agree with you. Just remember that “every dog has his day.” I have now started watching since the trial began. Reading comments made on February 28, opened my eyes. Remember the intruders, maybe Jodi was threatened that harm would come to her or the family. I find it hard to believe that she could drag dead weight back into the shower. I wonder how long she stay at his house and have time to put clothes in the washer and dryer? Thursday was sad and I cried along with Jodi, when JM continuously humiliated Jodi. The trial will continue Monday, If we (support team ) can remember, to stand together in prayer at 10:30 A.M. wherever we may be, that this trial will be over QUICK and believe that JODI will be acquitted. Prayer is powerful and the Lord say, “where two or more are gathered, I will be there in a mist. I will give you the desires of your heart, when you ask me with all your heart.” He is faithful and his promises don’t lie. We will continue to support our girl JODI !!!!!!!!
If I were a juror, I would havew trouble with a few things. For instance:
– I would want to know the reason that Jodi didn’t run down the hall and turn left, out of the bedroom, down the stairs and out of the house rather than turning right and into the closet.
– I have a problem with the burgled .25 caliber gun stolen from Granpda’s house, Jody admitting she shot Travis and the fact that he was shot with a .25 caliber bullet, but her denying it was Grandpa’s. I understand she has to deny that she took the gun into Travis’ house to steer away from what would be a bad case of premeditation, but the coincidence of stolen gun and murder weapon is too unlikely for me to believe.
So, defense team, you need to clear up these issues. Tell us how many .25 caliber guns are bought every year – are they the most popular caliber pistpl? Give me a reason to deny the coincidence above. And, tell us why Jodi chose to run around in circles rather than just get out of the house. Did Travis ever chase her around the house before? Trip her on the stairs?
Also explain how there is a photo of Travis laying in his own blood in the hall with his feet poointed towrd the bathroom if hte camera fell to the floor by the bath tub in the bathroom. How did we get this angle of a photo?
Good points Mintz.
For point #1, if I were Nurmi, I’d get Jodi to say that she ran toward the closet because she knew that the gun was in there and that it would get Travis to back off faster. She was scared that taking off for the door would give him the opportunity to catch her and she wouldn’t have a weapon to defend herself.
Point #2: There were a wave of burglaries in Yreka at the time, and more items that just Grandpa’s gun were stolen from the Arias home. Nurmi should focus on: why would Jodi steal a weapon and then use that same weapon to shoot Travis knowing that a police report on the burglary existed? Also, he should make it clear that .25s are common weapons for homeowners.
I’m sure this may have been asked and answered, but I’ve been away a lot.
When Martinez asked Jodi was anyone else in the house, didn’t she say I don’t know or remember?
I do agree though that the media has done a terrible job at covering this trial. Me and my girlfriend stumbled upon it through nancy grace and we thought it was a rerun of something at first because she just kept talking as if the trial was over and that Jodi had been convicted.
Pretty pathetic to treat a trial this way when it’s far from over.
Steve, I cannot agree with you more. This Country needs some new laws to prevent media coverage of trials until after the verdict. A great example is the KC trial where the media basically turned many people in this country against KC and labeled her a murderer even though a jury following the laws of the State of Florida found her not guilty. Without media coverage, KC would have walked away without the widespread tarnishing of her reputation. People on a local level may have continued to judge KC but now there is nowhere in the USA that KC can go to start a new life without having people believe that she is a murderer. So if KC was truly mis-guided and was responsible for the child’s death, then we as society give her no room to change, no room to grow past the events and no room to become a functioning member of society. That is just simply wrong. When a jury finds a person not guilty, that person should be afforded the same rights and opportunities the rest of us enjoy without fear of retaliation and discrimination. The saving grace in the whole KC trial was that when it can right down to it, the system did work the way it was intended. The laws mandated that the jury follow the law and not public opinion. The jury decided the case based on facts and not on emotion. They did what was right and that is why KC was set free. That is the way our laws are set up so that nobody should be found guilty unless there is strong enough evidence beyond a reasonable doubt.
As for Jodi, I believe that she was attacked. I not only believe that Jodi is not guilty but also innocent. Not guilty implies that the state doesn’t have enough evidence to convict. Innocent means innocent. It means that Jodi was justified in her actions, regardless of how brutile they appear. I believe that Jodi will be found not guilty as long as the jury follows the law. Those of us who understand abuse have already found Jodi innocent. People talk about justice for Travis. People do not understand that all of us control our own destinies to a great extent. Travis walked down a dangerous path especially when he was two-faced to God. I feel badly for his family. However, the circumstances that led to Travis’s death were brought about by himself. I lost a step-son in a car accident. He stepped on the gas too much during bad weather and he died. Others try to steal copper wire from buildings and get electrocuted. Some people experiment with drugs and take too much. Some eat too much and die from heart attacks. It may sound different but it is all the same. We all make choices that lead us to where we end up. Well, enough of the philosophy.
I will close as always by saying that I look forward to the day I see Jodi walking free.
I just heard the most rediculous thing. All these talking heads on NG and HLN have the intelligence level of a 5 yr old. They said Jodi turned her license plate upside down so that if anyone saw her fleeing the scene…it would be hard to make out the plate number.
Hmmmm…. ok so she got pulled over way later close to her home or somewhere …. because of the plate being upside down right?
So these talking heads say she was brilliant enough to avoid being detected anywhere near Travis’ home……. taking gas and all that with her. And she turned her plate upside down so nobody could make it out as she fled the scene….yet that was what got her pulled over way later!!! So talking heads theory is rediculous. If anything her plate being upside down could have gotten her pulled over leaving Travis’ house!!
I googled Prepaid Legal. It’s a scam, pyramid scheme and alot of people getting rich off of it. Think about it….who needs legal advice ready and available? Maybe car dealers…real estate people….and criminals!!! From what I read, there are a lot of people who got ripped off by prepaid legal. When they finally needed the legal help,,,it wasn’t there.
Skywriter Look Up Love Bombing it is a technique used by Cults. & Prepaid Legal is a scam I think they got into a lot of trouble. Travis whole life was a scam I don’t believe he deserved to die but examine the big pic scam job scam religion manipulative.
I have been watching all of the trial and even if i dont believe everything JA has said. I do not believe she intentionally killed that man. Unlike him, I believe she really did love him and that he tormented her emotionally by using her and then tossing her to the curb over and over again. He sucked any self esteem that she had in her out. He was a phony to his religion, to his family and to his god, if he truelly believed, which with all of his telling his so called friends what a whore she was while telling her how much he loved it makes me question is devotion. He seems to have been motivated by money in a pyramid based job, making advances ( most unwanted ) to any and all women who passed his way. Either to have his kinky sex and/or recruit them into PPL of which he would get a cut. He posed for all of those pics in the shower of his on free will, you can see that he thought he was some kind of sex god. Something happened and they had a horrible fight that resulted in his death and her life forever changed.
His friends and family are no better, either they are all into his type of deviant behavior or they are protecting their so called religion. I think all of his friends were jealous that he had this gorgeous girl and they were all such trolls they could only dream. Past potentional GF’s of TA have said that he was a freak when it came to his sexual behavior. Only those who hated JA have said how wonderful he was.
The other night on JVM some so called friend said she was at a dinner with travis and Jodi 2 weeks before the death and could tell that something bad was going to happen. Except Jodi was in California . Such lies ! Stay strong Jodi !