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“Cat’s Eye” Limited Edition Prints (pre-order)

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Check out the latest artwork available from Jodi’s gallery site @ JodiArias.com

The latest addition – “Cat’s Eye” – is a drawing Jodi did for me, and 100 Limited Edition Giclee prints will be available shortly @ $99. A portion of each sale will go to support no-kill animal shelters.

Here’s the info from the JodiArias.com site –

"Cat's Eye" - Jodi Arias Limited Edition Giclee Print

By the way – and just in case you were wondering – I removed the “Occupy HLN” post & links from yesterday. That was due to Jason Weber and his ongoing accusation that me and the site admins were profiting from donations and t-shirts sales via our site. The fact is, we never see or handle any of those funds. It sounds very much like Jason Weber & Sandra Webber (@ “Inconvenient Truths”) are cut from the same BS cloth. Fuck them anyway if that’s all they have to offer.

Have an awesome Tuesday peeps!

WE ARE TEAM JODI – AND WE WILL BE VICTORIOUS!

SJ
Team Jodi

The new “Survivor” t-shirts are now available. 100% of the net profits generated from the sales will support other survivors of domestic violence, and go to Non-profit Domestic Violence organizations selected by Jodi.

If you would like to help Jodi by way of a financial donation via check or PayPal, click the Team Jodi link below for further details. All donations go directly to the Arias family…

We Are Team Jodi ---- And We Will Be Victorious!

 

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      • Thank you so much for posting this link. It touches my life in so many ways as it did Jodi’s The powerful message says society is quick to blame the victim for staying in an abusive relationship. This TED talk gives great understanding as to why and how each abusive incident escalates to the point where there is a possibility someone will die. Remember Alyce’s testimony?! She was so right and I am sure will never know how many people she helped. I appreciated seeing this and will pass it on. Again, many thanks.

        • I found many similarities in the video compared to case. Jodi moved to be close to T.A., she falls for him because he was smart and funny, he idolized her, he confides his secrets in her, especially after the picture thing, he shows two faces, one for the public, one for her, he isolates her by making her play along with his secret, which was her, We know Jodi tried to let people know they were an item. If she really did even slash his tires, would anyone blame her? T.A. was clearly playing mind games and for that matter, knowing he was such a player, it could have been another woman or man, who slashed the tires,

          T.A.’s behaviors were very, very, controlling. I believe that T.A. knew Jodi was actually serious about moving on and he did not like it. Jodi was his puppet and his ego booster, no one would have an easy time letting that go, let alone a person with deep troubles. I also think Jodi was brainwashed by T.A. If you watch the interviews before Jodi admits to killing T.A. I feel Jodi is portraying a confident person because T.A. portrayed these qualities and everyone believed he was a good person, when in fact, he was leading a double life. Jodi even admits that she thought to herself, “what would Travis do” when she posed for the mug shut”. That should give you a glimpse of how much she put him on a pedastol, as well as how much she feared him.

          If you just put everything into context, it all makes sense. T.A. was a motivational speaker for crying out loud!!! In Jodi’s eyes he was very powerful and e dryine liked him. This why she went along with everything. You can even get a glimpse of his own personality in the videos Dr. Drew played to make Jodi look bad. Dr. Drew shiws a clip of T.A. soeaking at a prepaid legal event. T.A. actually plays a character Edin S.??? Some disgusting guy from L.A. Another video showing a clear glimpse of T.A.’s personality was when T.A. was sitting in a living room with a bunch of friends telling a story of an attemped robbery he survived. Well, Dr. Drew and firiends were discussing how Jodi was half asleep while T.A. told this story, claiming once more Jodi was disconnected. Then Dr.Drew has this French woman friend of T.A.’s on and she said T.A. told her the story previously at some prepaid legal event. MY point is, Jodi probably heard that story 100 times. This guy was an egocentric and he practiced speaking and ” winning” people over everywhere he went. He wanted Jodi to be down, he made sure she was viewed submissively, this is what made him feel good and it was what turned him on sexually. T.A. was a sexual and emotionally abusive, as well as physically. THIS was HIS disconnect. This is also why you see Jodi portraying him like such a great person. She was brainwashed!!!

          The whole thing is very sad because Jodi should not have gotten M1 for defending herself. T.A. Should not have died the way he did but how do you stop it? When your in the fight of your life, should you only have three stabs wounds? Only one fatal gun shot? There is no set pattern you have to follow to prove you feared for you life. There is a lot of evidence, hidden all over the place, that displays patterns of abuse that we do know is real. In hindsight, I think exposing all the little secrets may have saved Jodi, despite the pictures displayed by the prosecution.

          • So …hope you can read through typos! Can’t type on iPad! need new computer!!!

          • Color puple, I couldn’t agree with you more. Everything you said is true. I thought that same thing about Jodi probably heard that story a hundred times!
            That’s what made me so mad and frustrated during the whole trial was they never ever considered her side. At all. So glad to have found this site. I don’t speak much but I always check in. I was at a flea market over the weekend and saw a box of old postcards. Made me think of sending one… 🙂 Hugs to you Jodi, if you hear of these posts.. <3

      • Exactly why I chose the name! What a testimony she gives. Wow, thanks for sharing that. I will also share it, as everyone should 😉 Spread the word!!

    • Couldn’t find my comment or any replies to it, so I’ll ask again. Any chance there is a retrial of the actual verdict? There are too many things that say while what Jodi did was awful, she didn’t deserve a M1 conviction.

      • raven,

        it’s later in the day and since apparently no one answered your questions i’ll have a crack at it

        respectfully

        sounds like you’re new here, and so haven’t been reading the posts or comments
        yes a retrial as to culpability ie guilt or not, is possible

        new here, and unfamiliar criminal trials ?
        now as to retrial as to culpability ?
        yes, following an appeal, which experienced criminal trial attornies have said should suceed, out of which a new trial aka trial de novo would be available to the prosecution

        now as to the remainder of your question
        i don’t want to be mean to you, but gist of your question arises frequently, even here, in different forms

        “There are too many things that say while what Jodi did was awful”

        what jodi did was NOT AWFUL
        it’s not awful and it’s not unlawful, to kill one’s attacker, when in fear for your life

        do you know that is the law ?

        have you any suggestions how you, or anyone, should kill their attacker in an unawful manner, when the attacker is intent on killing you ?

        do you feel that what she jodi did by killing the. mormon, man who attacked her, and who informed her that he was going to fucking kill her, was unlady like, or unbecoming a young lady, moreso to kill him with a knife ?

        would it have been ok if she had shot him with a gun, and he dropped dead immediately, without feeling any pain, as is portrayed on tv ,or television ?
        if one bullet was ineffective to halt his attack, would a second bullet be ok, and not considered unladylike ?

        do you know of any sanitized, or aesthetically pleasing, way to kill, or perhaps “dispose of” one’s attacker ?

        is it better to use a euphemism when mentioning using deadly force on an attacker ?

        have you had to ever kill anyone who attacked you, of whom you were in fear for your life ?

        is raven a woman’s name ?
        if you have been so attacked, tell us how you termiinated your attacker ?

        was it aesthetically not unsettling emotionally, as well as an appropriately ladylike method, and effective ?

        if you are a woman, perhaps you should let us know if you believe women should be allowed to use a knife in self defense, or is it better that they be killed themselves ?

        should the military be subject to the same rules of combat when attacked physically by the enemy ?
        would it make any difference if the soldier was a man ,or a woman ?
        should female soldiers be issued with combat knives, or is it better that they be killed than be indulge in unladylike behavior by using a knife to kill their attacker ?

        jodi in self defense killed her attacker, an affirmative defense, which negates ALL charges ie m1, m2, manslaughter

        • Wes, no disrespect meant, but there was never any proof that she was attacked, IE @ least witnesses who verified that in court. I do think something set her off. While the foreman did say he believes, Jodi was abused, nobody bothered to push that point very hard in court. IA do think she has serious mental issues, and as usual, the system failed to help someone in need.
          I’m not going to comment on a “sanitized, or aesthetically pleasing, way to kill, or perhaps “dispose of” one’s attacker”. You do what you need to defend yourself. The one thing that I keep questioning was why she kept buying cans of gas. I do think something/someone pushed her over the edge. I mean ZERO disrespect or hatred towards Jodi or anyone on this page.
          I am a male, but am disabled, and yes, I have been attacked before and yes, I would do whatever was needed to defend myself.
          Thankfully, I have never had to kill someone to defend myself. I don’t think you saw my post from Monday, but I stated at most, I believe this should have been manslaughter, not M1. I do think Jodi has a lot of talents and if given the help and hopefully the love she deserves, she has a copious amount of things to offer society. I LOVE her artwork! I hope I cleared up any misconceptions.

    • I ordered one the of cats eye print its beautiful and I am happy to see that some of the proceeds go to no kill shelters.

    • Yes. I agree. Actually, I read a comment where initially Jason Weber said that he was unaware anyone from this site was profiting from anything, and if they were, then he did not agree with it. Some haters were stirring up trouble, calling SJ a crook. Grrrrrr…. I was so angry! I bet they have everything to do with those ludicrous accusations.

      On a different note – the cat picture is beautiful! Considering ordering a print – looking into budget.

  4. wow I hope it can be sorted out. Occupy HLN has done some good for Jodi by exposing the scams going on with the TA funds….either way…haters gonna hate and stir up trouble.

  5. Just ordered my “Cat’s Eye”. (It could be the eye of my little orange male kitty named Nicky.)

    • Going to. buy one today it’s beautiful this kitty looks like my two cats Spankyham. and Curry it nice to see that you.care about these helpless animals.

    • I have a great idea, I’m going to donate the money I would have spent on the print directly to an animal rescue organization. That way, the animals win AND there is still one more print that can be sold so someone that may not want to just donate will buy! So the animals win twice!!!

  6. SJ-
    Welcome back. Hope you had a good vaca. I am so confused about Jason because I have seen nothing on Occupy that he intimated anything negative about you or team Jodi. He has actually posted positive remarks when you featured his article on this site. I do know his site was hacked a few days ago and I’m wondering if that has anything to do with this. He has also mentioned that he is not affiliated with this site, as the haters always accuse him of being you. I will be soooo disappointed if this turns out to be true, because he and IT are both big supporters of Jodi and uncovering the corruption. Please let me know exactly what was said and when. I would actually like to message him about this an see what his response is. Thanks a bunch.

    • I hope it is not true about that site but you would know more than us SJ, I just liked it yesterday and posted a couple of times so that worries me now, it is not as safe as here though and it would be easy to go off on some people because of that but I try not to act like the people on the JforT sites, I came back over here last night and it felt better

  7. Hope everyone had a wonderful weekend!

    Here’s a great article that was just published
    I wanted to share with you guys.

    Justices Make It Easier for Inmates to Challenge Conviction

    http://tinyurl.com/ns595qx

    • Just signed it. Was going to put it on my FB page and recruit others, but FB has blocked me from posting for the next 12 hours because I posted that the Mormons are an evil cult and should be stamped out, apparently FB didn’t like that!

      • Fuck FB, they will block them selves out of business, don’t you know truth is not acceptable on Facebook?
        I Had a great laugh when the little man martinez support page went down. Now there is another pathetic attempt to start. New one, allow me to give them all a nervous breakdown.

        Going to move, going to get labeled a troll at

        https://www.facebook.com/pages/Love-for-JUAN/536593039731786?ref=stream&hc_location=stream

        They are going to meet my fucking opinions and like it!

      • FUCK Facefuckingbook….

        It should be renamed “SHITBOOK”

        Hi Heather by the way —————- ((((((((((((((((((((((love you)))))))))))))))))))

  11. What’s Giclee prints???? Iv been wanting to purchase a drawing but they are wayyyyyyy too expensive for me ($1500) is not in my budget. I wish it was, but no, its not. But $99 I can definitely do. Would this be a like a copy print?

    • Giclee is a method of creating high quality find art prints of original artwork.

  12. I may have to dip into my birthday fund to order the print. I love it!

    I like the info on both Sandra and Jason’s facebook sites but I feel safest here. Mostly because the haters are not tolerated here even for a second. I have no problem donating through the link provided by SJ and/or purchasing items that are offered.

  13. woooooohooooooooooo hi you guys!!!!!!!!!!!!! Oh, and BTW, I need a little help in about an hour and 15 mins. I need some serious motivation to get up and clean this messy place up!!!!!!!!!!!

  14. Welcome back, SJ! This drawing is beautiful (as is all Jodi’s work)! I actually just sent her a postcard with a cat motif last week 🙂

    • Rachel, lol help help help! Please help me motivate myself to get up and clean this nessy place up in an hour and eight mins!!!!!!!!!!! Gimme somethinnnnnnnnnnnnn good

      • Hey, cj! “Either you run the day or the day runs you” is a good one I always go by! I’m fixing to go to the bank here in a few so lets get it done!! 😀

        • cause in a hour and 8 mins it’ll be three here and that will give me time to do some stuff and get a place cleared off for the new tv iffffffff they have it and also I’ll have some time while am cooking burgers on the grill before husband gets home and i have to get supper on table for my father in law (who lives with us) by 6. Anyway, I’m fittin over it all but can’t seem to get motavated to do anything

          • Wouldn’t you rather get done with the “have-tos” so that you can do your “want-tos” for the rest of the afternoon/evening?!?!

            You had me cracking up with your “hour and 8 minutes”….LOL LOL LOL

            • I know it’s unreal but when I get hyped up I tend to be veryyyyyyyy down to the minute. Now I’m down to 45 mins BUT you are soooooooooooooooo RIGHT! I’m going to start with the have to’s and then come back and do more want to’s!!!!!!!!!!! I’m going to do that in just a very few mins, well, after smokin a cig. Then I’m gonna get up sooooooooo if you see me here whop my ass and say get UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

            • I got stopped for a tag that was OUT but wasn’t OUT and they guy was like whyyyyyyyyyy are you so nervous maam????? I was way hyped, and thennnnnnn he saw the beer on the back seat and said how many beers have you had today to which I replied NONEEEEEE! He was like OK, ok, calm down, I just saw it there. LOL and I’m gettin way hyped now.

            • Ok, cig gone. Gettin up to do the have to’s ICK, lol. I’ll be back later after doing the ick stuff!

            • ok I’m goneeeeeeeee this time for sure to do the yuck stuff, dam why don’t I have four maids, lol!

  15. SJ,

    I was concerned as well re. Jason’s comment about our site’s access to funds. However, I am wondering if perhaps there was just a misunderstanding on Jason’s part. I’m sure he hears lots of lies from haters and it’s sometimes difficult to sort out who are the trolls. Perhaps communicating directly with Jason would help clear things up. Jason is a strong advocate for Jodi and I think his site and ours are on the same page. In my view, it would be a mistake to alienate ourselves from other sites who are working towards a positive outcome for Jodi. I think that we can help make a more profound difference to Jodi’s future appeals, if we join forces rather than alienate ourselves from other like-minded groups. Our two sites working together will have much more impact than working separately. Just my two cents worth.

    P.S. – Do we have “Lawyers on Strike” as a link? The discussions there are often insightful. Some of our members, such as AA , often contribute to the conversations on that site.
    Along the same vein, I would like to see Vladamir’s link back here as his comments are very “pro Jodi” as well.

    • If this trial, or the Casey Anthony trial should have taught anyone, it’s not to go around believing accusations that are not true.

      There was never any proof to back up those accusations, and he posted them anyway. Why? Why should he believe a single word the haters say? They’ve lied about everything else so far. The haters should have no credibility at this point, after they’ve repeated the same false narrative over and over again. There was no reason for this to be a “misunderstanding” at all.

      We will continue to work for a positive outcome – without the bullshit bandwagon jumpers. IMO it’s presumptive for you to come here and tell us to ignore these serious allegations and pretend that they mean nothing yet don’t bother to tell them (whoever they may be) to stop lying about us.

      FYI – Vlad wants nothing to do with our page.

      • ^5 MB…and not for nothing….but did you catch “…our site….”

        Mr. Davis….

        If you are a TRUE support of SJ’s SITE, you wouldn’t ask him to entertain acknowledging the bullshit that is being spewing. As well, I fail to see any up side for Jodi or SJ for that matter with having the person’s link you would like to see get airplay and attention on SJs site. He has made cruel and quite nasty comments about SJ and HIS SITE and all those who participate herein. I fail to see how having his link would BENEFIT JODI.

        • ^5 Janeen, I totally agree.

          Since when is attacking SJ upholding the Constitution? Or helping Jodi? Oh I forget, OccupyHLN, like Pitchforks, isn’t an innocence web site. Apparently innocence web sites are for lesser plebeians who cannot match the vast intellectual superiority of bloggers who couldn’t bear to condescend to say that “Jodi Arias is Innocent.” No, they’d rather spend their time being verbose or entertaining the allegations of haters in the spirit of “objectivity” when in fact they just don’t feel that Jodi Arias is worth fighting for. That is why they don’t believe we would do this all for free. They don’t believe that Jodi is worth volunteering for, spending time and effort for, without getting some form of compensation.

          That’s the difference between us and them – we believe Jodi is a person worth fighting for. We don’t need “a cut” of anything to do it either. More than that we want to attract legitimate supporters, not half hearted phonies that presume we should be so desperate to grab onto any schmuck that says they support Jodi without really contributing anything meaningful.

          I want to be clear that I don’t care if others read Vlad, Pitchforks, OccupyHLN, or any other blog that has eventually thrown us under the bus in pursuit of making a name for themselves; but if I hear one more “But they make statements that are sorta pro-Jodi, therefore are one of us” I am going to throw a sock at my wall. At the risk of sounding like an “orthodox clique” as a supremely condescending fence sitter accused me of, no they are not, and especially if they go to lengths to distance themselves from us.

          This site has a purpose. The purpose of this site is to support Jodi, the Arias the family, and to work towards her release. This isn’t a circle jerk where we all get to mentally masturbate to political or poetic warbling without actually DOING anything. We aren’t keyboard jockeys. We are going to do what we can, contribute what we can, and see this through till the end wherever that leads. That’s more than a lot of people can handle, and I can respect that. Maybe they can return the favor by NOT repeating the bullshit accusations from the Travis Taliban, who have never been honest about anything in this entire case.

          • MB….

            I ♥ YOU “ROBIN”!!! LOL

            You are magnificent!

            We mustn’t forget: (((((((((((((((((((((((hugs MB))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) 😉

            Oh…and of course…MY ABSOLUTE FAVORITE: Screenshot THAT asshole!

          • Hope I didn’t offend anyone with my post earlier. I no longer listen to VG or see his tweets, as he threw this site under the bus. My question was more one of concern that I have somehow missed something on the Occupy site. I am and will continue to be a diehard Jodi supporter and fully believe in her complete innocence. Sorry if I have offended any of you who are also die hard supporters.

            • No, you didn’t offend me at all!

              I’m not even sure what post you are talking about. So no worries. 🙂

              • Thanks MB. I posted about Occupy saying bad things about this site, as I have followed them and IT for a long time and I thought everyone was on the same mission for Jodi, and I never saw anything negative on those sites about SJ or Team Jodi.

                • I could post a link to the previous version of the page cached by Google, but there’s a longstanding rule not to post links to hater bullshit so I’ll keep that to myself.

                  Suffice to say, things were said, things were removed, and at the end of the day, Jason believes that the haters have valid points. And that’s on the current version of his page too.

                • No need to post MB, I believe you. I know he is much more tolerant of hater’s postings than I am. That is how I got kicked out of FB for the first time, by responding to a real scumbag! I just hate that all the sites aren’t working together, because I believe Jodi’s appeals Attornies will need all the help they can get. So many smart people uncovering all the corruption, I wish some authority would take it all now and set her free immediately. Wishful thinking I suppose.

                • TR, I wish that the sites could work together too.

                  But when they’re just riding the popularity of this site to get theirs up off the ground, they were never really in it to help Jodi at all.

                  I agree with Jason that HLN is anti constitutional. I agree that they should be stopped.

                  But I can’t look past him saying that the haters have valid points. This makes me believe that these other sites just use Jodi’s case to further their own agenda, they really don’t care how she’s sentenced or what it takes to overturn her conviction.

          • Love the Purpose and that we have work with a focus. My goal has always been to help Jodi. She needs every real advocate.

          • Wow I was gone for awhile because my puter broke down an I just
            got a new one finally. I wondered where some people went that I
            do not see on here anymore they were on here daily before though
            an I do see them on other places now but never asked. Now I see
            what happened I missed all that. I do agree though I am here for
            the long haul I want to see JODI out of there. Some how some way.

          • Excellent posts here MB.

            When the link to that OccupyHLN article was posted I was bothered by a part in the article re: this site and SJ. There was a lot of praise for the article and I guess I assumed that the link to it wouldn’t have been posted on this site if that particular part bothered SJ, so I didn’t say anything. I’m glad it has been removed now. =)

            I’m getting tired of these fence-sitting bloggers as well. And fuck those who think any money is being made off this site. There are no ads and SJ does not ask for donations. Extra bandwidth to keep the site running isn’t free, so considering he is paying for the running of the website plus donating all the time it takes to maintain the site, I would say it’s a very selfless thing SJ is doing.

            Love and thanks to all our admins and all our dedicated members. We love you Jodi!

    • I did click on that link when it was here – Jason’s HLN occupation, etc. It was, as he promised, very long and I didn’t finish reading it. I did see something in that particular piece, however, that amounted to an insinuation about how the donations here . It was not a straight-up accusation. In fact, it was vague and I couldn’t make anything out of it. That I could not is probably because Jason was only wondering. But I thought, WTF, that’s pretty sloppy; why would he want to distance himself from this site especially right after the hung jury? I chalk it up to people being touchy and easily upset right now.

      It sounds like a third party (or more) is handling the funds donated here and that would be pretty easy for Jason to ascertain. He didn’t “follow the money”, as it were, that is donated – it just wasn’t clear at all why he was questioning things here. What is clear is that it is obviously in his nature to question everything. I like that in a person and I hope SJ and he clear it up. (I’d been to occupy HLN about a month ago and hadn’t noticed that Jason said anything disparaging then about this site.)

      This is just my take on things. I haven’t done any “sleuthing” on my own, but I wanted to respond to TR’s query because SJ isn’t just imagining this, lol.

      ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

      I find the internet generally creepy and not a good place to hang out, so I am very very grateful for the time SJ and the Admins are giving to the maintenance and care of this site in support of Jodi. I am only posting here to be an advocate for her.

      ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

      I learned about the case from Nancy Grace, but she drove me away. I decided to start over in my assessment, to throw out the “obviously guilty” position that was being promoted in televised media, and start from zero. I watched the trial on a live feed without any accompanying commentary. I came to accept Jodi’s claim of self defense, not only based on her testimony, but based upon the crime scene evidence and the testimony from experts about why she lied in the first place.

      If you start with “obviously guilty of premeditation” and work your way backwards, seeing everything through a sinister lens, and you then manipulate how evidence is presented and try to destroy defense witnesses on the stand through abuse and intimidation, and if you twist psychological diagnoses around so that they “fit” your purpose to convict – if you take coincidences that could be interpreted as helpful to your guilty allegations that were actually happenstance for Jodi from May 26 to June 4, 2008 (gun theft, missing phone charger, license plate pranking) and you weave them all into evil intent, you have not proved your case. You are only able to produce the tortured and tortuous mess that we all saw in court.

      If you have multiple, possible versions of the scenario, you don’t have a case with any integrity. You will have changing stories, you’ll have to make ordinary organization seem extraordinary (gas cans) a gigantic “typo-graphical error” on the M.E,’s report will have to seem plausible, (although an injury to the brain would not be described as “a perforation” or “not” because the damage would have to be detailed) and gossip would be (“slashed tires” and “internet hacking”) sprayed around on television as if it were gospel – no – as if Jodi had already been tried and convicted of those things. Friends and people in the community would have made statements that they later backed away from on a dime.

      Everything Jodi does, according to HLN is “weird”. She is “odd”. The “Human Lie Detector” can tell!

      Has anyone noticed that HLN brought in the Thought Police, (see last sentence above) not only to police others’ thoughts, but to TELL EVERYBODY IN CREATION WHAT TO THINK? Does that actually BOTHER anybody besides the people posting here?

      You would be odd too if you spent the last FIVE years in jail on a trumped-up charge, experienced that degree of betrayal, and you saw law enforcement scrambling this way and that to make everything about you, including your very thoughts, and every coincidence in your life – even going back to fifth grade! – somehow part of an evil calculating plan to murder your lover – after he attacked you and you had initially only tried to deter him. You would be almost numb with terror.

      And that would be how you would feel BEFORE this corrupt trial even commenced. Can someone tell me why we should give an M.E. the benefit of the doubt but not the accused? The accused is FACING THE DEATH PENALTY!

      Have we, as a society, actually lost our courage, even our instinct to stand up for each others rights when they are being violated?

      • MB, I cannot imagine why my words were taken out. They were bracketed thus, to indicate approximate, but not verbatim quoting of Jason.

        The brackets were a summing up of what Jason said on his own occupyHLN site. TR had not seen it, so I was trying to let TR know my take on it. I then took great pains to explain that I couldn’t “make anything” out of the insinuations made by Jason. The words you took out were . I can see why they might be removed if I hadn’t bracketed them, but even then, editing that out would seem a bit much since those words indicate absolutely nothing about malfeasance in and of themselves. I also went on to say that I have done no sleuthing myself and thanked everyone here for their donated time.

        I’ve put in much time here advocating for Jodi and arguing against the death penalty, especially in the last few days. My thinking was that since the jury was hung, more “on the fence” people might begin to lurk here. I don’t post links. I am only a careful observer, but I think that is worth quite a bit to Jodi. I am only trying to keep the dialogue going and to put forth the notion that one should not be swayed by gossip, innuendo, and seat-of-the-pants allegations. That goes for Jodi, SJ, you, or any one of us. I embraced that notion very clearly in the very post that was subjected to prior restraint here.

        I would like to see your position on why my post was edited, and once again, I thank you for all that you do here.

        • MB, Is there some reason why this site doesn’t accept brackets anymore, even when there is nothing within them? The brackets and words were edited out again……..

          • Trialtoogoodawordforit ,

            SJ asked us all a few days ago to not repeat (post) what the Travis Taliban was saying about Jodi on other websites. SJ wanted us all to stay focused on Jodi’s innocence.

            NOTE: I was able to understand you believe Jodi is innocent without your bracketed quote’s from the Travis Taliban aka Mormon Media Blitz. I also applaud your level of written detail 🙂

            • Hi Willie,

              Thanks for jumping in to support what SJ said about visiting other sites. I don’t; I only occasionally click on links posted here. I don’t post links myself. The only direct quoting I have done of the bloodthirsty crowd is of the numbskulls on HLN. I had posted here to note that the use of the words: “love”, “hate”, and “our buddy” all occurred on the same day by broadcasters there. I also pointed out that HLN’s Human Lie Detector was wrong about one of her specific calls on Jodi, see above ^.

        • I have to go for a while, but I just wanted to let you know I didn’t edit the post so I’m not sure what to think. I don’t think I saw the post either, but I’ll check on it when I get back.

          Thanks for your patience! 🙂

          • Trialtoogoodawordforit,

            Is the post above what you were referring to? I don’t think I had a chance to read it.

            Willie is right, though, whatever is said by haters does not get a platform here. It’s a general rule not to link back or copy/paste what they are saying, especially since a lot of haters want to increase their own popularity by having their stuff put here. It’s been done.

            I know you didn’t intend to do this, so no worries. Thanks for understanding!

            • Hi MB! I get it ~ you didn’t do anything. Just as I figured after I tried to post the second time.

              Something went screwy with the brackets. It was no big deal, I just wondered why a couple of words were taken out but I guess it was just some technical malfunction. Even the brackets themselves were not posted the second time – even when there were no words in between them – so that was a clue.

              The words that were left out of my post were actually innocuous, and at the end of a sentence but they were my own words. I put them in brackets, not parentheses, to indicate that they were not a direct quote from Jason. (Used the greater than and less than symbols.) I wrote, “were being handled”, referring to the donations. No quotation marks yesterday, only the greater and less than symbols. That was all that was taken out along with the symbols. I don’t want to type those symbols now because they probably won’t post again, lol.

              Actually I noticed the same strange truncated sentences in others’ posts, today, when I started reading at the top of this page. What I see is an unfinished sentence but it still has a period after it. There is a slight space between the last letter of the sentence and then a period. I will go back and look again. It might be a sign that this site has a tech problem so when I locate such a thing i will let you know, MB.

              Thank you!

      • Trialtoogood………..You are truly an unbelievably talented writer. Just about EVERY WORD you write seems to me to be “stealing” my own thoughts throughout this trial…..but said in a way I could never articulate as well as you. (and I have been considered all my life….age 69, college educated…..an excellent writer). Your insights are so spot on it is as if no other words need to be spoken to EXPLAIN what has really gone on here in this trial and in the public view.

        Unless I missed it….i did ask you what you do for a living and if you are male or female but I have not seen an answer from you. I would really love to hear your thoughts and insights on the upcoming trial of George Zimmerman.

        I think you should…..in fact I beg you to start up your own blog.

        • Hi Trialwatcher,

          Thank you again for your feedback. So many excellent writers to read here, including yourself! I wish Jodi could read it all. I hope her family has time to visit this site and share it with her.

          The internet is not a comfortable place for me in terms of a social experience, but I do look forward to writing and interacting here. It’s mainly about reading others’ posts in order to better understand the case. The minute I start writing, I have to re-read and make cuts; it takes time away from learning so I often refrain from jumping in.

          Friends have also suggested that I start a blog but that will not happen anytime soon if ever! Thank you for that – I take it as a huge compliment!

  16. SJ,
    Why would Sandra Webber even say anything to even insinuate that you’re touching any of the money being donated for Jodi?
    I know that you aren’t but where did she come up with that nonsense?

    I follow her on Twitter and saw the Tweet where she asks if you give ‘her’ (Jodi) at least some of the money and asked her that question. I’m waiting for her reply.

    I didn’t have any idea that OccupyHLN thought this too. I like that site. That’s disappointing to hear.

  17. Hi All,

    I am so glad SJ posted that the link was removed. I was reading the comments and kept going back to the post to see what link everyone was talking about! I did find it and read it and was concerned about what the author said about funds/donations of this site. Apparently, there are two links/videos where someone ‘claims’ to be uncovering where the funds for Jodi Arias go and the author said something like; there may be some validity to his argument. (?!) I did not watch those videos as I have learned the haters make me physically ill.

    I have a question regarding appeals for any legal eagles; yesterday Willie posted a link of Nurmi’s appeal on the basis that the ME and Flores lied (which, from what I saw they clearly did). BUT that link was from February and to my understanding, it has already been ‘shot down.’ (Forgive my lack of legal-eze.)

    So my question is – how can this be? Are the lies of the ME and Flores not recognized by the courts? I cannot see why that would be considering JM’s absurd arguments about how he sees witnesses for the defense lying (when they are not), but he can twist that and manipulate their words and get away with it? This just does not make sense and I’m trying to have a sense of what is happening to help restore any faith I have left of our judicial system.

    • cindyp
      Where did you see it on occupy? I’ve looked and looked and don’t see it. Thanks

      • Halfway down the page of the link occupyhln con artists exposed, (link now removed from this site) , in item #6 it reads; “He makes the case that the domain owner [I supposed meaning SJ] is involve in internet scams in his videos on YouTube. His Video 1 and Video 2 on YouTube are compelling and perhaps he makes some valid points.” This author is referencing this site and ” The “Video 1” and “Video 2” are links but I choose not to post them. I’m not sure if this is what SJ was referring to, and I guess it does not ‘directly’ state anything regarding funds/donations, but the insinuation of ‘internet scams’ and this site being linked pissed me off.

    • cindy, your judicial system is now at circus level, no one can have faith in that, its gone – if it was ever there in the first place. The US have to drag themselves out of the Middle Ages.

  18. Welcome back SJ! 😀

    I find this bullshit about fraud and this site so fucking irritating and redundant.

    I mean, really?!?!?!?!!?!?!?

    I have been posting here for almost 6 months now, and I have NEVER, EVER, EVER lost one fucking penny using this site. It is FREE.

    Does anyone see any fucking ads here ❓ ❗ ❓

    This site: Free

    TA Taliban and J4T Scam site: Has indeed cost me money, I sent money to Tanisha LONG ago… and unliked their page when I got tired of being begged for money, and saw someone wanted to give the Alexanders 60,000 dollars a month….when Sam talks about her 4 Mexican maids. Fuck them. Fuck them BIG TIME>

    I had only “liked” their page to keep tabs on the violent, sadistic Travisites… but could not stomach being referred to as one of the 50K strong bullshit, I was NOT there to support Travis, and I imagine, other than about 100 regular delusional posters, most are also not there for anything other than trial info or morbid curiosity.

    I am saddened to hear about Jason and or Sandra. That sucks.

    • Oh Renee, I believe it was more like $600,00.00 range. Someone was asking that the 35 thousand loyal followers to only send $20.00.

      My husband told me he’d let someone kill him if they’d send me that kind of cash! 🙂

      • LOL

        I sent Tanisha 2 dollars. It was my passive aggressive way of saying to her, “Why the fuck am I supposed to send you money? Is this a meth-mouth dentistry fund?”

  19. The State vs Jodi Arias ~ Travis Alexander murder trial
    8 hours ago
    A statement by Harold Sorenson, METHFACE’s husband:

    I will make a comment ! These are my words only. This is not from any of the Alexander family or even from my wife Tanisha.
    They are all emotionally drained. At the same time they are overwhelmingly grateful – to the court, to Judge Stephens, to the jurors all of them, especially to Juan Martinez, to the Attorney General of Arizona, who they will be meeting with very shortly to prepare themselves emotionally, mentally, for the re-trial of the third phase, the penalty phase. This will be even harder on them then what they’ve experienced during the past phases of this trial.
    If ever they needed the world’s love and support of the overwhelming majority that have been there for them, it would be this re trial of the penalty phase.
    Please keep the family continually in your hearts, in your prayers as the fight for justice is not just for Travis alone, but for the past and future victims of the world that the DP can be respected and upheld when it truly is warranted.
    Let goodness prevail over evil.
    We love you, and deeply respect the overwhelming support. God bless true victims and justice for Travis Alexander.
    Thank you,
    Harold Sorenson.”

    This is what I wrote:

    Translation: “Please reach in your pockets and donate, donate, donate to our funds and family because we will be sitting our asses in court day after day doing absolutely NOTHING with our lives until the Mormon Gods anoint our dear departed love one as the Mormon (Moron) Messiah…with your donations we can erect the saintly statute of the Messiah in the middle of the SHITZONA desert for all of you to worship…by the way if you possibly can send DOUBLE the amount you would usually send we will be able to have Samantha’s eyes surgically repaired so she can actually cry tears, my wife will have cheek implants and desperately needed dentistry, and I will be able to go to Hair Club for Men. Thank you from the bottom of our bank accounts. Have a good day.”

    They are UNBELIEVABLE….

    • So Que Ball thinks he knows where the death penalty is warranted and where it is not?

      Who died and made him god?

      • Sooooo,according to him the DP is warranted in this case.

        Ok…I guess the Jeffrey Dahmers of the world can sleep soundly.
        It’s women like Jodi that deserve the DP.
        OMG….

    • HOT DAYUMMMMMMMM, that was GREAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You hit the nail on the head!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • ROFLMAO,Janeen!!!!
      Thanks for making me laugh! I needed it with all the shit that has befallen us!

      • (((((((((((sis)))))))))))))

        Welcome to the party!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL LOL

        • Thanx (((((((((((((sis))))))))))))
          23.12pm here and trying to catch up!

    • You forgot to mention that his felon wife needs a new supply of meth. Donate, donate, donate.

    • LOLOL Absolutely frikkin A Janeen!! The shorter translation was ‘show me the money!!’

    • Janeen ,

      Great Post!! Made me smile 🙂

      And most grieving families find their closure when their loved one is laid to rest. Only hate filled vile people scream for a barbaric DP.

      It’s despicable that HLN, Alexanders, CASH & the BALD JEW are using TA death for profit. The jury hanging was a financial boon for them.

    • omg….I’m in love with you(((((Janeen))))))…….I swear!!!!!
      lmfoao……..u rock 🙂

    • That makes me feel ill. An they think JUSTICE is harassing the witnesses I guess
      also by making petitions an such. Disgusting.

      JUSTICE FOR JODI……let us not
      forget in that Faith sex before marriage as Mimi Hall stated was = to MURDER.
      So Travis also was in big trouble when he faced his God. But since he did have
      as it looked the correct slashes he may be a Angel just not a God as that Faith
      says.

      IN Self Defense does not = Cold Blooded Murderer …Just my opinion

    • Mary, I have read this before and it was very informative and to the point. This is why Jose Bias said that you need to look at the blood evidence when he was on HLN. Nobody in this trial did that.

    • Mary, this article link is worth reposting. It really lays it out how TA’s injuries occurred.

    • Ah Mary, you beat me to it, I was going to post it too! Of course all the haters really hate it!

    • This is a very good article and to the point. It explains everything that happened during the knife fight on June 4 2008 and shows Jodi is innocent.

  21. Seeking truth and justice for all is priceless. There is no monetary profit to be gained from this site. WE THE PEOPLE who are willing to fight for what is right instead of what is popular.

  22. BTW SJ you’re right forget anyone accusing you. I believe I have read that this is the only site authorized by the Arias family to donate to Jodi.

    • Mary,

      Jodi tweeted that jodiariasisinoocent.com was the only legit place to donate to her family.

  23. Ouch Janeen, It is not about Mormonism. I wish everyone could see that. Other than that its kind of a funny take on his comments, which everyone is entitled to have.

        • I don’t mean to insult you Bella, you are a loved and valued poster here, and I recognize that you are Mormon. That being said; there is no way, no how to discuss this case and not look into the darker side of your religion.

            • I am sorry that I have to agree. As in every/any other religion, it is up to those that believe in it to stand up to the ones using the religion for evil doings. This is truly one of those cases. The mormon/ppl clique that Jodi got caught up in is abhorrent, TA used Jodi because of his religious beliefs, TA is a proven liar and sex abuser – but the church and/or followers still choose to ignore what he did all the time ‘hiding’ it from everyone, TA was an elder in the church yet not one mormon is addressing his lies, his abuses and calling it out to be wrong, it is mainly those in the mormon religion who are acting as judge, jury and executioner while spewing hate and the death of an abused woman. At the same time, from what I understand, if one who is a mormon DOES stand up to wrongdoings – you may be admonished by your church. I am just adding this to let you know that this is how I (a non-mormon) view what is happening in this trial.

              • Perfectly stated.

                To have Mormons say “stop blaming us” without addressing the fact that Travis was an elder AND abused his “place” in this “church” to abuse women is not conductive to understanding a very weird religion that came into being when a guy named Joe saw an angel in the woods in 1820.

                Why are the other elders not screaming, “Travis’ behavior was unacceptable??”

                • Out of all of this, that is one thing I was hoping for.

                  I was hoping for other elders to come forward and say “No, that behavior is not acceptable.”

                  They don’t have to take a position of Jodi’s guilt or innocence, all they have to do is make it clear that fake religiosity and woman hating bullshit is not tolerated in the Mormon church, and especially not from their elders.

                  But the silence has been deafening, has it not? Not ONE elder has stepped off their pedestal to set the record straight about their own religion.

                • An “Elder” is the title given to male holders of the Melchizedek Priesthood. The title is used for members of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles, the First Quorum of the Seventy and for full time missionaries. It denotes a gender, and tenure more than any other thing. I know of several people who have done exactly as many are stating,that his behavior was deplorable. None will do so in a public manner. No one will step forward and make a public record. It is not needed.

                • Why isn’t it needed? And since when do Mormons decide what non-Mormons need to hear or not?

                • “No one will step forward and make a public record. It is not needed.” Unfortunately, it IS needed to stop the continuing abuse of women in and out of the church. To stay silent about abuse is to turn a blind eye, which is not better than watching someone get beheaded while watching silently. No one can speak for TA’s actions, but his words in texts and emails speak loudly; and we know that many many incriminating emails were deleted. The church could, and should, denounce this behavior. At the same time, many of their members certainly are judging Jodi in public, on the media, and even lying on the stand. The isolationist viewpoint of saying “I speak only for myself” does not insulate you, nor anyone, from taking responsibility for what you (or the church you represent) teaches. By staying silent you make it as if you condone abusive behavior. And nobody is asking the church to explain TA’s actions, but to stand up and be more vocal about abuse and this type of behavior towards women.

              • ” I know of several people who have done exactly as many are stating,that his behavior was deplorable. None will do so in a public manner. No one will step forward and make a public record. It is not needed.”

                Bella,so if they think that,then why would they NOT come forth???
                Why is it NOT needed?
                What do you mean?

                • I cannot speak for anyone; other members of the church cannot speak for me nor any other member. I speak for myself only. It is not my place or any other members to attempt to do so. Each person is responsible for their own. Would anyone here want someone (church affiliated or anyone otherwise) to try to speak for them or on their behalf? Only Travis could explain his actions, and as he is not here I, nor any other person in this world is qualified to speak on his behalf.

          • Exactly! This case is so intertwined with the Mormon religion that not referring to it is impossible.
            My personal opinion is that dear Mr Alexander made everything in his power while he was alive to make a mockery out of his religion that when posters like myself(who have never heard of it before the trial)may make a bit fun of its rules&regulations we should be forgiven 😉

          • Renee’ (no insult taken, I don’t get insulted by opinions as all are entitled, just as I am)

            You can’t really argue for or against religion without assuming that another person’s perspective is superior. I am not taking any stand that states superiority, (I abstain from the “Holier than Thou” mentality as I find it absurd), so again I say Mormonism is not on Trial. It strikes me that there are similarities between Jodi and Travis besides Mormonism, both were human, should all humans be regarded as basis or material for the trial then? Both made mistakes, should any who have ever made a mistake be considered in material to this trial? I get that these are broad statements and might be seen as inflammatory but in the realm of using Mormonism as a barometer for this trial it holds the same degree.

            I was not taking umbrage with the tone, tenor or context of your post as I found it humorous and a correctly aimed sharp jab at a person who choose to make a public commentary and there for opened himself up to lampoons or being lambasted. But the references to Mormonism were inaccurate and openly hostile, I try not to defend it as I cannot possibly defend the religion, it stands (or falls on its own merits according to personal preference). I also understand that Janeen is completely entitled to her opinion and commentary, But I as a fellow poster, a Mormon, a person (entitled to my feeling and opinion) have the opportunity to voice dissension to her. I find her intelligent and funny, but the attack on Mormonism was inaccurate and the basis of my comment to her.

            All are entitled to their own expression; I voice mine she apologized for my hurt feelings, as I would to any I offend. It changes nothing she said in her post, but the interpretation on (my) the other side goes along way. This was kind of her to do. If it had not happened, it would matter not in the grand scheme of all things, but to her I matter (even if only in this forum, and only for a moment, which speaks of her character all the more to me) and that we can all benefit from. In this world of “jumping to conclusions” and not taking the time to be kind to one another; to consider how we make another feel with our comments leads us closer to being like the people I do not think we want to be like (ie. Haters). I get off topic but it is all relevant in my goofy mind! Mormonism is not the basis of the trial. Mormonism is not on trial.

            • ” Mormonism is not the basis of the trial. Mormonism is not on trial.”

              Bella,although I respect your views,I beg to differ.
              Mormonism is the spine of this trial.
              Plz,dont make me list all the reasons.You know only too well what Im talking about.

            • Mormonism is not on trial, per se. But Mormonism is part of this trial.

              I really like you, and missed your posts. But you HAD to know that coming back after months and getting all touchy about the Mormon posts were going to ruffle some feathers.

              I don’t fully understand your motives. Why is it not needed to have mormons speak out? Jodi might be sentenced to DEATH, Bella.

              Anything and everything related is important. She did NOT change until the Mormon’s started coming to her house constantly (sent by TA) and it is relevant.

              YOU DO UNDERSTAND JODI ARIAS FACES A DEATH PENALTY, RIGHT?

              • Renee,

                I understand as well as any other person here and in some ways possibly more so the impact of what Jodi faces. I know her. I feel the loss for her as a sister, as a person and as a human being. I cannot defend her actions within Mormonism, just as i cannot defend anyone else. I am responsible for my opinion. I stand by it. I will not shrink nor evade as all others are wont to do. .

                • It wouldn’t say it was Mormonism per se that is on trial, only that a small group of professed Mormons are doing a railroad job on an individual in order to save face.

          • I whole heartedly agree Renee. If one is objective and looks at the entire picture, including those pimping for money, it is all about Mormonism.

          • I have to agree with Renee here, and Bella, i don’t have to tell you how much I enjoy your posts here.
            but the truth is, religion plays a big part in all of this, no denying that. It appears that Travis used your religion to for purposes that were less than disgusting, even you have to admit that. Now
            Hey, I’m catholic, and I love my religion, but I would never ever defend what the corrupt ones have done, or even some of the teachings of the Catholic faith. With that, I don’t get offended if people talk smack, I just say its their opinion.

          • I have to agree with you too, Renee, the dark side is very dark and cannot be ignored.

    • Bella, last night I thought about how JM could have just taken Jodi’s M2 plea.

      If this trial had been mostly about protecting Mormonism, JM could have taken the plea and we would not even be engaging in a discussion of whether it is or is not by this time. I don’t know the local politics – the whys and wherefores of people’s careers in AZ since I don’t live there. Maybe some Mormons are angry that JM did not accept the M2 plea and just be done with it without painting any pictures of Mormon community life for young people.

      I think we are seeing a runaway mob mentality, tinged with religiosity and a commercialism of the worst sort. We are seeing someone being railroaded; the engineer, conductor, brakemen and switchers all have their own various agenda. I do not have the legal expertise to be commenting on the upcoming possible plea offers by the prosecutor, if any could be forthcoming. As far as I am concerned, Jodi fought in self defense and in self defense only without malice aforethought. She should be set free now.

      • I also agree with Renee that Jodi did not change until the Mormons “started coming to her house constantly (sent by TA) and it is relevant”.

        To me, It is only relevant to her innocence insofar as it goes to her personality and character. It is not an indictment of the Mormon church that Jodi changed after she joined it. Lots of people change after becoming born again Christians or Orthodox Jews, Muslim, (just pick a religion). It is not rare at all for others to find their new personae objectionable. That is beside the point if you are trying to prove or disprove premeditation. The state of Arizona, i.e. its general conservatism and the purported resentment of Hispanics there, as well as the culture of PPL were also apparently not a good fit for Jodi.

        The only point to be taken from how Mormonism and the other things I just mentioned above affected Jodi is that JM wants a jury to believe she was ALWAYS as emotional as she became after she met Travis and so drastically changed her life to fit into his.

        Once you establish that she was NOT, you can leave arguments about the merits of this or that belief or organization or culture alone. You would not be assisting Jodi’s defense by magnifying the influence of one or the other of these aforementioned elements in the case since they can be swept aside by the prosecution as proof that a tractionless defense is “reaching”.

        To property defend Jodi, the focus has to be on what occurred at Travis’s house on June 4, 2008,IN DETAIL in a professional manner. The witnesses who knew Jodi before MUST be allowed to speak, and licensed professionals who can explain why she lied in the first place must not be intimidated and stifled. The televised media and both social and anti-social networks obviously played a part in preventing the trial from proceeding that way, the way it should have, but I just described was, of course what the defense tried to do. Was that media blitz orchestrated by the Mormons? There is enough greed and sucking up after fame for the mindlessness and prejudice against Jodi to have occurred outside of a particular creed. But bias was evident INSIDE the courtroom in the judge’s rulings. It was evident in the atmosphere she perpetuated there – even to the last moment when she allowed the chain of communication to break down resulting in the Arias family not being present for the penalty verdict. That was HER CALL in going forward without the Arias family. It demonstrated extreme bias that she shrugged off the error and proceeded. It was downright cruel.

        The lawyers for Jodi were stifled at every turn – and not by Mormon priests in robes. It seems there is enough political ambition and sadism in Maricopa County alone to throw dozens of trials. To focus too much on ideology is to be hijacked and subverted by the very thing that one might be objecting to.

        To show how Travis’s abuse of Jodi affected her is one thing. To blame Mormonism for Travis’s behavior is unfair because he could have become the womanizing manipulator he was without being “manipulated” into that scurrilous behavior by any religion. To demonstrate that point, I refer anyone to the eloquent posters who have survived abuse and written of its horror on this site.

        I have stated in other posts here that once Jodi is not tried in “whoredom” – yes, that is Mormon verbiage, but it is also a reference to the Puritan mindset that propelled the Salem Witch Trials – that she could have a chance for true justice. Whoredom is the place that uppity women are traditionally cast into when they stand up for themselves – or when they err. You see, of course, that either one works for misogynists! There is plenty of discrimination, prejudice and unfair judgement directed against women today – even by other women – that has nothing to do with Mormonism. That prejudice slithers around easily enough without greasing any particular wheel on its train ride to whoredom.

        When the facts in this case are freely examined such that a clear and definitive determination can be made about the injuries that caused Travis’s demise, and there is no precious time granted for repeated, compound questions by the prosecution, bullying, badgering, insulting rhetorical analysis of fairy tales, and those various and sundry postulated timelines are carefully studied, Jodi could get a fair trial, even with HLN minions and “hair on fire groupies'” (thanks to kitty) over-cooked attempts to frame the arguments. They would be doing so in vain, or – to put it more accurately, in an insular irrelevant whoredom of their own creation.

        • correction in 5th paragraph:

          ….. the way it should have, but what I just described was, of course what the defense tried to do.

    • Hi Bella, no Mormonism isn’t on trial in this case. But I don’t believe you can say that a great deal of this trial was NOT about Mormonism. If Jodi and Travis hadn’t been Mormons, if Travis hadn’t been an elder who was able to baptize Jodi, if John hadn’t been a recent convert to Mormonism, if Mormonism didn’t emphasize family values, and if Mormonism didn’t have a vow of chastity before marriage, there really wouldn’t have been any testimony about their sex life at all and Jodi might never have converted.

      If, for example, Travis was a Jew, determined only to marry a Jew, before a rabbi would have even entertained allowing her to convert, Travis would have had to propose, or Jodi would have had to have shown serious other reasons why she wanted to convert.

      See what I mean?

      • Ok, Mormonism is not on trial, wasn’t on trial, but we all know that in the state of Arizona Mormons have a lot of power and they are well known politically. I just read the comment that Janeen posted were she copied and pasted from the hater’s site, Tanisha’s husband said that they were going to meet with the Governor. Now, can someone please tell me, what are the chances for Jodi to get a fair trial on the sentencing face. The only way things can change, maybe, is if many of the Mormon faith leaders come forward and speak out in favor of Jodi. Eventhought, at this point I think is already too late. But, if Jodi gets the DP, ( I pray for that not to happen) many of these people who didn’t came forward will have blood on their hands and one day they will have to face God’s judgment.

          • Audrey, I can see why you slipped and wrote “Governor” in error. Arizona Governor Jan Brewer abused her office when she said, “I don’t have all the information, but I think she’s guilty.”

            Quote is from KSWT, CBS News, Phoenix, May 7th.

          • Yes AA, and if they say that they have the bible, they should know that. They should know better. I’m not generalizing here, I’m pretty sure there many genuine Mormons, but we are talking about the ones on this case, and a very serious case. We are talking about life and death. A human life in the middle. Jodi’s life is in the middle. I guess some people don’t know the gravity of the situation yet.

  24. Wow! I Love “Cat’s eye”

    SJ, I am even more impressed w you knowing you’re a cat lover. Jodi created a lovely tribute to you.

    Go Team Jodi <3

    Thanks for clarifying up the Jason issue.

  25. I think I read somewhere (please correct me if I’m wrong) that the jury was under the impression that if they couldn’t arrive at a decision then the judge would impose life. So that means that those DPers who might have otherwise given in to life, in order to save face with the mobs, hung on to their DP vote, thinking it would automatically default to life anyway?

      • Me too .They said they had no idea a mistrial would be declared.

    • So you mean to tell me that this jury was too stupid to understand the most basic of deliberation instructions? I wish I was surprised but given all that’s went on in this trial it’s par for the course. Can a jury be fired? I know it’s after the fact but I wouldn’t trust one of these jurors to take my Mcdonalds order. Much less put someone’s life in their hands!!

      • Between the jury misunderstanding the implications of rendering a non-verdict and the moronic statement by Juror 17 that Martinez can retry the penalty phase as many times as the family wants, it’s clear that we aren’t dealing with a group of Phi Beta Kappas here.

      • There was nothing in the instructions about a second jury. So, they didn’t misunderstand a thing. They simply weren’t aware and the judge didn’t make them aware.

        • Tet could have looked up the law in Arizona upon becoming a death-qualified jury. We all knew enough to do so.

          • Actually, the jurors were NOT allowed to look up the law while on the jury. Doing so would have been juror misconduct, and there have been multiple cases deciding that.

            This second jury thing is relatively new in AZ. There is no way they should have been expected to know. They were instructed to depend on jury instructions. And they did ask the judge what would happen if they were deadlocked the day before.

              • Or did she just tell them that she couldn’t give her the death penalty if they were undecided (thus implying, without mentioning the second jury, that she would have to give her life)?

                • I don’t recall the judge telling them anything about the second jury. She just declared a mistrial. I think they first found out about the second jury after they were released from jury duty.

        • Maybe the Maricopa County DA’s Office will take that into account when they consider spending MY tax money to retry the penalty phase. That 8-to-4 vote is not an accurate data point.

          • But, just for the record, I don’t mind paying for a retrial if it means Jodi holding on to her appellate rights.

      • I think it was a mindset and nothing and no one, not even the judge was going to stop them from doing what they wanted.. worse than stupidity, they were just being toddlers.

    • That is my understanding of what the foreman said in a televised interview. He said that they thought that the Judge would impose Life or LWOP if they could not decide unanimously.

      Their understanding was that the judge could not impose death if they could not make a unanimous decision. They did not know about a second jury being asked to decide – and that the judge would decide then and only then if the second jury could not.

      I saw the same implications as you, RB.

  26. JODI’s artwork is absolutely fantastic! BTW, I accidently posted on the wrong page a website about a trial here in Indiana—-where I live—–about a death penalty case here…and how the judge is handling it (the website is http://www.courierpress.com —and the article is in the Evansville [IN] Tuesday May 28th paper on the front page— if anyone is interested) And, if anyone can send it to judge sucks-dicks I would truly appreciate it (also send it to the DT so that they can tell “judge” how royally biased and fucked up she is as well as how to properly handle a DP case) GO TEAM JODI!!!!!!!!

  28. Sirlips,

    This is a response to your post from the last page. So maybe I was a little lose in saying “add up to M1” but you know that I know it has to be proof to “beyond a reasonable doubt.” The problem that exists is as follows, and some of this has to do with the circumstantial evidence rule, which in AZ is considered as good as direct evidence – and I’ll come back to that in a minute.

    So the story the state tells is as follows (and bear with me till we reach the end because there is an end to this garbage I’m about to lay out):

    1. At some stage Jodi decided she was going to off TA, and she set in motion this long drawn out plan.
    2. First she recorded TA in a phone sex conversation she lured him into.
    3. She set up a meeting with Ryan Burns so she’d have an excuse to leave Yreka.
    4. She staged a burglary to steal grandpa’s gun.
    5. She rented a car in a town away from her hometown to hide the fact that she was renting the car.
    6. When she went to rent the car she had blonde hair, much as she did when she lived in AZ.
    7. She then borrowed gas cans from Darryl Brewer and told her she was headed to AZ.
    8. Somewhere between renting the car and going to Walmart, where she bought a 3rd gas can she dyed her hair brown.
    9. She filled 3 gas cans and her car in Pasadena.
    10. She turned off her phone before she got into AZ.
    11. She was definitely at TAs house on the 4th of June.
    12. She was in the bathroom at some stage when there was TAs blood and hers to allow for both her bloody handprint and both people’s DNA to be collected.
    13. She erased the pictures on the camera and put it in the washer.
    14. She then left the area and had a liaison with Ryan Burns.
    15. She denied being in Mesa, till Flores showed her the pictures, at which point she told a different story about intruders.

    Add to this the innuendo about stalking, tire slashing jealous emails etc and you have a pretty damning picture. Until Jodi took the stand the one thing JM didn’t have was who actually did the killing, but that was provided by Jodi’s testimony, and the sequence was allegedly negated by Horn and Flores’ lying their asses off. Now of course we know that there are explanations for each part of this trail of BS, and this is all circumstantial crap in any case. However, here’s where problems start arising.

    Firstly, when you have circumstantial evidence, different states look at it differently. Some states (like CA and others) have what is called a two-inference rule. That says that if there is an explanation that points to the defendants innocence, then that is the explanation you have to accept. Other states, such as AZ say that this circumstantial BS is just as good as direct evidence, and so the defense must also treat it as such.

    Secondly, someone must show why this crap doesn’t add up to proof beyond a reasonable doubt. That someone can be a sharp juror or jurors who can do it on their own, or a judge who can deliver a summary judgement or the defense team, who must show why all this crap doesn’t add up to the required proof.

    Relying on a group of unknown folks to be able to act intelligently is a fools game in the best of circumstances. You literally have to feed people the answers, and particularly when you have no clue of their levels of intelligence. (And this jury, as proven by their interviews, definitely seems to have people lacking in the ability to walk and chew gum at the same time). So it becomes incumbent on the defense team to say that all this crap does not add up to proof beyond a reasonable doubt, and here’s why it doesn’t. Furthermore, remember that reasonable doubt is measured as reasonable in the minds of some person on the jury, and who knows what they define that level as.

    Also, this was a death qualified jury, which every lawyer should know is more likely to vote for guilty than your average jury (I knew that factoid before this case, so I’m sure defense attorneys are aware of that).

    Given all of these reasons, I believe that the defense should have gone after each one of these pieces of “evidence” with a hatchet. The fact is that they actually could have, but instead, in some cases they raised a subtle point on cross examination of the state’s witness, and in other cases they missed it completely.

    Now, would it have made a damn of a difference? Who knows, given the media circus and the rest of the mob pressure, maybe it would have had no impact whatsoever. But then again, maybe it would have. I don’t know.

    Also, I believe, and again this is just my belief, that putting Jodi on the stand was a fatal error to their case. The fact of the matter is that it opens up too many opportunities for JM to twist her words around, for the jury to twist her words around, for them to heap other BS on her that they felt was warranted by something she did or did not do on the stand, etc. In fact once you are on trial, the deck is stacked against you in any case, and once you take the stand in your own defense, it gets even more so because the prosecution takes every little inconsistency, or memory lapse and converts it into a lie, portraying the defendant as a unrepentant liar. In this particular case that was further exacerbated by the fact that Jodi was changing her story from what she originally told the police and TV interviewers.

    So that is what I was trying to say.

    • I know my last paragraph goes straight to your argument of convicting her for lying – but I think theer’s another explanation too. You take all the circumstantial evidence, and based on AZ law, you say that’s all as good as direct evidence. Now the argument against it comes from the defense, who relied to some extent on Jodi’s words. If you don’t believe her you throw those explanations away. And I can see how some people would say, if we have no counter explanations, then we take the state’s arguments as true, and the circumstantial evidence as valid as direct evidence and voila here’s the mess you have. Of course in that argument, the one thing they believed was Jodi saying she killed TA, just not the why and how, because without that the jury has no proof of who did the killing.

      But I for one have no explanation of how this bunch of folks did anything. Remember, the state had two possible cases – premeditated or IN THE ALTERNATIVE felony murder, and 7 of these bozos bought both, which was something JM wasn’t even arguing – so go figure.

      • Well written Al, as usual! And thank you for reminding us about AZ’s evidence rules.

        The problem in not having Jodi testify is that after lying about not being there, and lying once again about two intruders, the only remedy was to try to humanize herself as an earnest person with a story to tell.

        The defense could have brought in Barry Scheck et al, bored everyone to death with a detailed analysis of every shred of evidence and non-evidence at the scene and gone on for years about how coincidence does not prove culpability, but the jury would have nonetheless come to the same conclusion if Judge Stephens had presided over the same fraudulent atmosphere of abuse, slander and juggled evidence.

        Given the tenuousness of Jodi’s claim, the courtroom bias and emotionalism was tipping the scales too much in favor of the prosecution. The atmosphere even intimidated the defense team at times. The jury must have felt that the defense was not one hundred per cent convinced themselves. They went with the prevailing winds, and the state of AZ’s laws about circumstantial evidence being as valid as direct evidence pointed them inexorably toward conviction.

        Jodi’s waiving of the Fifth was to be the end-all and be-all of her case. She did it because she felt she had no other choice if she were facing the death penalty. She would make every effort to show herself to be candid and resolute. I believe that her position was that if she had her say in court she could accept a conviction, if that were decided, with much greater dignity.

        I felt she came across as honest. I could see consistency where it would have been difficult for someone who is lying to have been that clear. Some one who was lying would not have offered so much detail without becoming flustered at times. But she showed that she was unafraid to testify through her calm. At times this posture came across as arrogant, and some thought it unbelievable, but it was the final version in the tale. Her attitude after five years was: Take it or leave it.

        When she talks about the mistakes she has made she probably means – above all, lying about Travis’s death.

        I wrote another post above about how I can see that a shorter time allowed for next trial could be helpful to Jodi’s case. Stephens stepping down on this one should be required for the reason I stated in this post alone. But Stephens demonstrated such cruelty in allowing the penalty verdict to be delivered to Jodi without the presence of her family that she left no quarter for anyone to argue that she is not biased and should not recuse herself, IMHO.

        • Trialtoogoodawordforit (and that’s a mouthful)

          See you say

          “is that after lying about not being there, and lying once again about two intruders”

          and I’m not sure I buy that. Go over this whole thing carefully and keep an oen mind. Listen to what some of the folks here have said in the past. That second part “and lying once again about two intruders” may not be true.

          I didn’t believe it either, but I’m starting to wonder. Just look at stuff AA and others have posted, and listen to that Flores interview very carefully, and look at the physical evidence. You might reconsider that statement.

          • Al, In formulating my response to this statement in your 12:55pm comment:

            “Also, I believe, and again this is just my belief, that putting Jodi on the stand was a fatal error to their case.” –

            – I only considered the theory of Jodi’s innocence that the defense mounted in court. Additionally, I only addressed the specific content in your comment to Sirlips.

            Jodi stated in court that her previous two assertions were untrue. She said at one point, “I could not keep track of all the lies (or stories) I told..” or words to that effect. Therefore, Al, I did not take pains to craft my sentence this way:

            “The problem in not having Jodi testify is that after (she said she was) lying about not being there, and (maintained that she was) lying once again about two intruders the only remedy was to try to humanize herself as an earnest person with a story to tell.”

            Testifying in her own defense did leave her open for “trial by media”, and for impeachment, but in the long run it might have been the right tack. I have not followed what the jurors might be saying now about how they viewed her. We shall see. There were two things that initially drew me to this case: 1) that it was a death penalty case, and 2) that this daring woman was waiving the Fifth to testify in her own defense.

            I would not have formed an interest in Jodi’s case if I hadn’t tuned into HLN in the first weeks of testimony. I wouldn’t have followed it, listening to snippets of testimony in the car day after day, because I didn’t know about the other platforms. (I would only be checking into the case now.) But since there was that live feed from HLN, I heard Jodi’s voice. After a while, something seemed very off about how this case was being prosecuted and how it was being portrayed by the broadcast media. That is probably how many of Jodi’s supporters came here – first through television. The media had found Jodi’s case significant for the same fundamental reasons many of us have been drawn to it.

            So while it was obviously a calculated risk for Jodi to be her own witness, I think the decision did humanize her while it also shined a light on the prejudice and corruption in Maricopa County. Once they came up with those previously deleted photographs, the dragging photograph cried out for a narrative, but the crime scene reports do not provide a cohesive chain of events within a consistent timeline, even with the time stamp in evidence from Travis’s camera.

            The crime scene photographs, together with the inadvertent shots taken by Travis’s camera, convicted her more than did any flaws in her own testimony. Imagine a silently weeping Jodi beside the mitigator at defense counsel’s table below those projected images. To remain silent when it appeared to the jury that there was no doubt that she was the perpetrator was unacceptable. It left too much to everyone’s imagination.

            There was another image that begged an explanation and that was the image of the bathroom ceiling. That was the “something” that “went wrong” that day. Only Jodi could have explained it the way that she has. She is the only living witness to “what went wrong”.

            How Travis would have reacted to the camera’s flight; the chaos and violence that ensued, could only be considered in light of the entire relationship. If Jodi had remembered everything about that fight, the defense team could have pieced together a tale of abuse once Jodi’s telephone was found. But her memory lapse about the knife fight sounded too convenient. That is another reason why having only the lawyers make representations about what she did remember would likely have been seen as weak.

    • Al,

      I see where you’re going with this. And yes, it makes sense. As most of your posts do. All this argument leaves me with then is another question:

      If the jury knowing the law AND being smart, is the lynch pin of this whole system, then why do we even have a jury? After all, the jury doesn’t get to REALLY decide the evidence, they are TOLD the evidence, they don’t get to REALLY decide the law, they are TOLD the law, they don’t get to REALLY decide anything….

      It simply boils down to one question, “who did the jury believe more?” And it isn’t if they believe the witnesses…it’s if they believe the ATTORNEYS! One witness says the dog is black, another says the dog was white, the attorneys both argue for their side then they TELL the jury what the law is regarding what they just told them.

      Does the jury believe the state when they say “the law says you must find her guilty” or the defense that says “the law says you must find her innocent”. How in the fuck are the jurors supposed to know the law? Wouldn’t it be better to have a panel of “judges” that act as the jury. Similar to the supreme courts?

      I don’t know if I’m making sense.

      Simply put, the argument is that the jury decides everything. They are the finder of “fact”, but there are NO FACTS in AZ, per the law. There are “possibilities”. There are “situational evidences”. There are no facts. A fact would be Jodi killed TA, because it was filmed on camera. A fact would be “the dog was white” because they brought the dog into court. Instead, they allow speculation then let the lawyers bang out the details. In the end, we are still left with one question…. Does the jury believe what “Juan said” is the REAL law, or does the jury believe what “Nurmi said” is the REAL law.

      Maybe i have been too harsh on this jury of fucktards. I suppose i cant blame my Chef for crashing my plane, when he is not a pilot, yet that is what i instructed him to do.

      How do we expect a bunch of random people to sort through the bull shitery, then sort through the media crap (or try to ignore it, yah right), then somehow come up with a constitutional choice on the death or life of an American citizen?

      Dave was charged with stealing a ball.
      Joe is the jury.
      Al tells Joe that he knows Dave stole a ball.
      Lips tells Joe that he knows Dave didn’t steal the ball.
      Lips brings in an expert to show that it wasn’t even in a ball, it was a round pillow.(asks for the charges to be dropped)
      Al brings in his own expert to show how it really is a ball.
      Lips says Dave wasn’t even in town.
      Al Says Dave WAS in town, because he can’t prove he was anywhere else.
      Lips tell Joe that he CAN NOT find Dave guilty, per the law, because of XYZ.
      Al tells Joe he MUST find Dave guilty, per the law, because of ABC.

      The judge then tells Joe he doesn’t have to believe the experts, he doesn’t have to believe Lips or AL, and that Joe is the ultimate “finder of fact”. (Yet, the judge just basically told him that there are really NO true facts since Joe himself is the “finder of facts”. It’s a Fact if Joe says it is, regardless of Experts or AL/Lips)
      SO, what is Joe left with? He doesn’t really KNOW if Dave did it, but he also doesn’t really KNOW if Dave didn’t do it.

      SO, Joe says “I don’t believe Dave was 100% honest”, “ SO HE IS GUILTY!”

      BOOM, there goes “innocent until proven guilty”. And from this point on, the standard has been set, OUR SYSTEM IS BROKEN.

      Who is going to say anything against the system? Not the people that hate JOE, they don’t care, they are happy Joe was found guilty. Argo..they encourage the system, and it stays broken…in fact many would use this as an example of how the system WORKED! Not based on the system, but on the outcome.

      The Jodi Arias Trial is going to be used as an example of “how to prosecute” a trial. How to “cover a trail”. How our system “is working perfect”. Not because these things are actually working, but solely based on the outcome and that so many people wanted THIS outcome.

      • In a certain way you are right. In theory the trier of fact, based on the evidence is supposed to determine what the facts are. And right there you have your first dilemma, the facts are the facts and how the heck do you determine what the facts are, and can they be more than one thing.

        And you’re right – the way its turned out to be its now all about the attorneys and the defendant and the client. Take for example the fact that they dress the client up in civilian clothes – how does that change the facts?

        In fact one of my favorite authors who wrote books about a lawyer once has his character, the lawyer say something like “I don’t need or want to know the law. I’ve found that knowing the law normally gets in the way of winning the case.”

        So it all comes down to which side does a better sales job.

        And the sad thing is that our system is willing to kill people or put them away for life based on the sales abilities of their lawyers, or the way their “experts” look or some other such thing that has absolutely nothing to do with the case.

        The sadder thing is that our system was supposed to guard against that BS, but in the last 30 years the legislatures and the Supreme Court have been steadily chipping away at the safeguards – all in the name of enhanced security and putting the bad guys away. Reminds me of what Ben Franklin said

        ““They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.”

        And that’s where we’ve ended up.

  29. On another note…..

    I have ordered my “Cat’s Eye” which will be prominently displayed on my bedroom wall for me and my 8 meows to stare at and smile!!!! 🙂

    • Awww….So happy for you ((((sis)))) and your 8 felines-I have 6 cats myself.And some regular visitors who just come,eat and go about their other daily businesses,LOL!
      I’m literally broke and cant buy anything,just the t-shirt when my employers who owe me money will decide to finally give me my paycheque 🙂

      But Im so glad Jodi’s art goes to people who trully care about her and love her as much as you <3

      • I am right there with you, Maria. I am broke as a joke for the time being, because, well– that is how students roll…. broke as a joke.

        I would love to order some of her art at some time, I cannot even afford the Tee shirt yet, but when my circumstances change, I will.

        Also………….. I love my cats ♥

        • You know what the good thing is (((((((Renee))))) ? We wont’ forget about Jodi.We may now be unable to financially show our love and support but eventually we will.
          We may be broke but Jodi will always be our priority No 1.When I get money,her well being will be the first thing on my mind.
          I know I’m already doing it.For example,I used to say ”when I get some money I need to buy this and that”
          The other day my sister was sad because she feels like a burden to me and I told her”I dont need anything.As long as we have sth to eat and I can save up some money for Jodi,I am happy”.And I MEAN IT!!

          (((((((((((((((Jodi))))))))))))))

          • ((((((((((((((((maria)))))))))))))))))

            correct!!!!! I was thinking about her this weekend; no matter how relaxed I was, I knew Sheriff Joe was torturing her with his bullshit 23/1 rule at the jail.

            ass-hat.

            we will NOT forget Jodi♥

          • Bless you, Maria. You have such a great heart filled with so much love! Give all your fur babies a head butt and chin rub. Don’t know if your sis would want a chin rub;>) I wish my kitty’s name was Jodi, but she was grown up when we got her from the rescue shelter and had a name already.

          • Maria, you are very sweet. May God bless you so so much. You have a very good soul

  30. In response to the haters calling SJ a scam artist-

    Umm… do you guys not think at all? If SJ really wanted to scam people, wouldn’t he create a “I hate Jodi” website in the name of the Alexander family like everyone else trying to profit off this case?

    I mean, I’m just saying – if you really want to scam people, why not go with the popular sheeple opinion? You’d make so much more money that way.

    ಠ_ಠ — I am not amused by all the bullying going on – people bullying anyone willing to stand up for the truth, question majority opinion. That happened years ago – I believe Stalin had a way of dealing with people willing to question his methods – look how well that turned out

    • Ohhh,good one NK!

      Greece suffers from the ongoing financial crisis,my sister is unemployed and I have to work to provide for all 3 of us.Do you think I should open up a haters’ site,asking people to donate to the fuckers(oooops sorry I meant the poor Alexander family)?
      Nahhhh…who wants to vomit 24/7 reading their disguting comments???
      I’m better off poor but a true Jodi supporter,LOL!!! 🙂

      • Maria,

        I have read about some of the stuff that was happening in Greece awhile back – with the riots, inflation, and unemployment rates. I am really sorry. I do hope everything gets better soon.

        This world … there are so many resources …. all controlled by the hands of few unfortunately. People who are selfish and want power. They do not understand the meaning of suffering. Children in Africa starving. People all over the world, homeless, or in war zones without access to healthcare, food, or safe shelter.

        Disgusting. (Ha, this probably should be on the rant page)!.

        All this stuff just frustrates me, and I feel like Jodi’s case is like the icing on the cake.

    • very well stated, Nk… Like anyone who wanted to make CA$H off this situation, why would one pick the side where you end up with death threats.

      FOLLOW THE $ SHEEPLE…. it will lead you directly to CASH, and J4T and the fraud Aussies who run that FB site… they are cleaning up.

      I hope the IRS is well aware of the Samantha, Tanisha, Cash, J4T and all the other scammers….

    • Yess!! So true, SJ would have so many more people and HLN on his side if he was into making money, THINK PEOPLE THINK! He would cuddle up to the Alexanders and get money that way so much easier and with so much less hate, this is for the “haters” :

      When you really know somebody you can’t hate them. Or maybe it’s just that you can’t really know them until you stop hating them

      No one really tried to know her and that is sad, hatred eats at your very soul or maybe this is what is wrong? This made me smile because I think this may be the case:

      The public is wonderfully tolerant. It forgives everything except genius.

      Oscar Wilde

    • lol Nk there’s that cute grumpy face again!

      I agree. If anyone’s going to scam everyone then why not take the path of least resistance and open up a “Travis Alexander Legacy Fund.” Or something like that. Why even bother drawing the ire of 99.9999% of the Internet by saying Jodi Arias is Innocent if maximum profit is the goal?

      The delusions these people entertain range from silly to downright stupid.

  31. I just found out today that Vinnie Politan is apparently only a year older than I am (38). Man, does he look TERRIBLE! I thought for sure that he had at least 10-15 years on me. All of that hate must be eating him up from the inside out.

    • http://tinyurl.com/6yyjze4

      He has been scarred by his coverage of these cases, but he assures us all that he can continue his service to make sure the lowest common denominator has a target to direct their misplaced rage at.

    • OMG, Kira! I saw that just today, and was SHOCKED. 😯

      My hubby is 35 and looks 15 years younger than Vinnie. I am 44 and even I look 15 years younger than Vinnie.

      Just goes to show, hate really ages a person. Which is why Nasty Graceless and J. Vodka. M look so damn bad.

      • Yep,yep,yep…Hatred is also responsible for many (if not the most)psychosomatic ilnesses.
        Oh boy..Im gonna die young after watching this trial.And I have only the Alexanders,Kermit and his gang to blame…

      • This is what is going to happen to all those people holding on so hard to hate:

        Hate not only consumes a person… it affects their health… their sleep…their relationships and hurts the person. It does nothing to the one that is being hated. They are oblivious while the one hating is having bad nights dreaming of all the things they would like to see happen to the other person. The person being hated is sleeping and doesnt know that the hater is looking miserable and bitter. Is that a life anyone really wants?

        I wonder if those hating and carrying grudges think about how much power they are giving the other person over them. The one hating certainly is not affecting the one being hated. All the emotion is on the hater’s side. I do not believe in giving power to people by letting their actions keep me upset for days, weeks, months, years. That is a horrible state to live in. That kind of stress causes stomach distress, headaches, body aches and other issues.

        And yet some people are still intent on hating, holding grudges, name calling and in general….very poor behavior. Hate is a vampire type of emotion. It sucks the life from those hating someone. It drains them of energy and the ability to enjoy life. It sucks the very being from them. It is a thief that one allows into their head and robs one of time, of living a happy life and from being happy. And if one allows it to consume them to the point that it is all they think of and they can not even talk to another person or post on a blog or Facebook without saying hateful things which in turn will cause them to lose friends…then they need help dealing with this anger.

        I pray that 2013 is a time of people coming to terms with their anger and hate and accepting that what is…is what it is. Hate takes us back in time to the fifties and sixties. It does not move us in a forward direction which is where we should be moving. If we keep holding on to the negative and bringing it into our present and future, then that is exactly what we will have…days filled with anger and hatred and people wanting to avoid us. Set it free and take your life back up. Do not let hatred consume you and make you lose who you really are.

        • Oh, that is so well said.

          Hate is a vampire… and you are right, it sucks the life out of the hater, while the hatee sleeps soundly and gives no shits to the haters. I pray Jodi sleeps peacefully and gives the haters no rent space in her mind.

    • DAMN….he’s two years younger then my son!!!! I thought he was closer to my age….DAMN he looks old!!!!!

      • I’m 52 and have had a hard life in many respects and a perfect one in many others. Vinnie looks older than I do and I look my age.

    • Haven’t seen you post before, but I will say I echo your feelings about Jodi’s mom. I think she may have been a shitty mom at some point, but I am so grateful she came to court each day and sat there knowing what public opinion was of her. that took courage.

      • And even shitty Moms can turn around. Isn’t that the whole thing about humans. We are redeemable.

        That lady, knowing all that was going to be said, showed grace in the support of her daughter.

        And I never saw one nasty word about anyone attributed to her while the world flung mud at her, her husband, her daughter and anyone who came to their support.

        • No AL, Humans are to be put to death if they dont always do the right thing…especially if you get caught…gulp….lying!

          If you murder someone and tell the truth, you go to prison.
          If you murder someone and you are a liar, then you get killed.

          That means you get death for lying, doesnt it?

          • Well that’s what they’re trying to do here, and the jurors who have spoken so far have acknowledged it. They convicted Jodi not because they can point to any evidence of what she did but because her stories were contradictory, or she lied or they claim she was manipulative.

  34. Ah Huh……..nothing personal…..Marie Martelino-Lon…..but who the hell are you?????

    • LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

      ((((((((((((((((((((Moni))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

      Rock on love!!!!! LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

  37. Damn it.

    I was fine, and now Bella has me all upset.

    Bella, please tell me why the Mormons who feel Travis’ actions were deplorable is not relevant and important in a death penalty case?

    You are saying there are witnesses who are openly aware he was a perpetrator and deplorable…. you think maybe, just maybe that might explain the changes in Jodi?

    Who are you, and who are Mormons to tell “us” what is important or not? Maybe I am really touchy, but you popping on here after being MIA during the worst parts of this trial feels like a bit of a trouble maker.

    • He cannot be defended. “I am not saying there are witnesses who are openly aware he was a perpetrator and deplorable”. I am saying there is no defense as he cannot explain his actions. I cannot explain his interpretation of the Gospel, anymore than I can make you (or anyone) believe as I believe. It is impossible. Just as I cannot share my feelings on Jodi’s behalf in another forum and have it be understood.

      • But that’s not what we asked. We asked why Mormon elders did not come out and defend their own faith.

        They didn’t have to take a side in this or make any statements as per Jodi’s guilt or innocence. I don’t care about that.

        The only thing we expected them to do, was to say that Travis’ behavior was not condoned by the Mormon church.

        Then you said no statements were necessary. No, I think they are, if Mormons don’t want Mormonism on trial all they need to do is make it unequivocally clear that Travis’ abusing his position of power in the church is not condoned, typical, or expected of elders.

        • Exactly!
          We dont care about Travis,dont go there please.
          You wrote:” I know of several people who have done exactly as many are stating,that his behavior was deplorable. None will do so in a public manner. No one will step forward and make a public record. It is not needed.”

          This is what we need explained.

        • Your right. It doesnt make any sense to me. Why wouldn’t they have to come out in public to say that what TA did was WRONG, but its ok and so easy for them “some” to come out “in public” and say how wrong and soulless Jodi was. Afterall, they were BOTH Mormons, right.

          • If you ask me,Jodi was never welcomed in that cult of theirs.She wasnt born into it.Werent there enough people who said she only did it to be closer to him?A part of her master stalking plan.Puhleeeeeeze! She was an outcast.
            But of course imho 😉

              • Mormons put great stock in bloodlines. One of the best geneology data base is at the LDS in SaltLake City.

                Jodi was a convert, and a woman. TDoggs circle of brothers were all involved in money scams and TDog wanted to move up the Church Hierarchy. The circle blambed Jodi from the start, circulated rumours about slashed tires and stalking, actually inserted themselves right into Flores police investigation all to cover for TDogg and to cover their own tracks.

                You can bet money that their are plenty of Mormons stirring up shit on FB and Twitter.

                That doesn’t mean that ALL mormons are involved in this outrage! Saying that, IF someone knows anything pertaining to this trial, they in all good conscious as a human being, should come forward to save Jodi from Death!!!!!!!!!!

          • Isn’t Jodi STILL a Mormon?

            I tend to agree with Bella here. Mormonism was not the issue and it wasn’t on trial.

              • Okay, Renee, what exactly is the issue and why is it important? All I’ve seen that I feel is an issue and important could be more related to culture and abuse – not Mormonism.

                • Well, I’ve seen pastors come out publicly and criticize other pastors who are doing wrong. I’ve seen priests criticize other priests publicly. I’ve seen rabbis criticize other rabbis. I’ve seem imams criticize other imams publicly. Why can’t elders in Mormonism criticize another elder?

                • The point is you have this “great” Mormon, motivating speaking bussinessman…sticking his very busy penis into whatever hole he could get in to!!! Saying he was a virgin and plenty of folks knew he was not. Being put on a pedestal when he was no more then a bullchyting fraud. The fact that the elders, deacon or whatever the hell they call themselves….NEVER came forward to condemn Travis behavior……says a lot about the Mormon church to us non Mormon. What it say……say that behavior is happening all the time…..so what’s the problem!!!! Guess those Mormons won’t be going to Kolob!!!!

                  Anyway….I’ve said all I’m gonna say about that!!!!!

                • Excellent post, Moni. Even after hearing the sex tape, not one Mormon says anything other than that the man was a saint. Why?

                • Sam, do Mormons today still practice “Lying for the Lord” or is it just an urban legend?

                • Also Abused – I hope you don’t mind that I copy/paste your response above because I think it explains it perfectly:

                  Also Abused says:

                  May 28, 2013 at 3:47 pm • Edit

                  “Hi Bella, no Mormonism isn’t on trial in this case. But I don’t believe you can say that a great deal of this trial was NOT about Mormonism. If Jodi and Travis hadn’t been Mormons, if Travis hadn’t been an elder who was able to baptize Jodi, if Jodi hadn’t been a recent convert to Mormonism, if Mormonism didn’t emphasize family values, and if Mormonism didn’t have a vow of chastity before marriage, there really wouldn’t have been any testimony about their sex life at all and Jodi might never have converted.

                  If, for example, Travis was a Jew, determined only to marry a Jew, before a rabbi would have even entertained allowing her to convert, Travis would have had to propose, or Jodi would have had to have shown serious other reasons why she wanted to convert.

                  See what I mean?”

                  I agree. Whether we like it or not, Mormonism has a lot to do with this trial.

                  I’ve seen Muslims distance themselves from terrorists and condemn terrorist attacks in their religion’s name.

                  I’ve seen feminists distance themselves from man haters, and defend themselves against accusations of man hating.

                  I’ve seen Jehovah’s Witnesses excommunicate people who weren’t serious about adhering to the tenets of their faith.

                  I’ve seen Catholics stipulate that they are proud of their faith, but condemn the culture if silence with child molesting priests.

                  I’ve seen Wiccans educate people that their religion isn’t about worshipping evil, and I’ve seen Satanists do the same thing although the two religions are very different.

                  So why are Mormons above the expectation to set the record straight? What makes them so special that they don’t have to condescend to and make one simple statement to the masses – that hitting women and sexually abusing them is wrong. Is it that difficult to say? Is it that hard to make a stand against shitting on half the planet because they are female?

                  And like it or not, since Travis’ behavior has been normalized by the media, by NOT addressing that it appears to imply that Mormonism also believes it’s normal.

                  And I agree with other posters that talk about women being abused in that religion – if Mormonism is going to harbor abusers, then it’s a religious institution that should be criticized for it, the same way the Catholics are criticized for harboring child molesters.

                  IMO this is not up for debate. Either the Mormon church is interested in answering to the issues this case brought up, or it’s not. Remember, HLN and the other media outlets that followed suit were the ones who brought this into the limelight. Not us. We would just like for the Mormon church to condemn rape, abuse, and dehumanizing female people. That’s not a lot to ask.

                  The fact that we have abuse survivors that post here is also important. To tell them that a religious institution that protects abusers isn’t an issue worth addressing, well, that’s just wrong.

                • “And I agree with other posters that talk about women being abused in that religion – if Mormonism is going to harbor abusers, then it’s a religious institution that should be criticized for it, the same way the Catholics are criticized for harboring child molesters.”

                  OMG MB, soooo well said! Bravo!

            • No Jodi said in one interview she was spiritual but LDS or MORMON what ever they
              want you to call them their own BIBLE says Book of Mormon on it not Book of LDS?

              Anyway she said no LDS person comes there for services an they rarely ever visited
              her. An I say really ? that is strange so that Church that claims they are Christians do
              not follow through for those imprisoned because I know Catholics, Jewish an Christians do
              an that right there really makes me think that Church is not full of Christians.

              People want to say Jodi joined only for Travis but Travis was the one sending those
              recruiters to her home in Palm Desert. She was Baptized in that Church from what I
              read not in Mesa Arizona.

              I think still today it is weird he did that in another town? another Church other than his
              own. I would be thinking he was ashamed of me to not want to do that in the Church he
              attended regularly. He was a sneaky snake I think.

              An did he not say on that phone call that he thought the people in Palm Desert were soulless?? I can’t remember if he was talking about Legal Sheild /PPL people or the Church either way he was very strange seemed he thought everyone outside his little
              click in Mesa Arizona was soulless. When it was he who was in my eyes.

        • MB,

          Mormon Bishops tell the followers to just lie if you get caught sinning. Mormons believe you EARN your way to Kolob (heaven) – strange Cult if you study them.

          The Casinos, Nightclubs, Strip Clubs & Brothels in Wendover, NV are full of Mormons from Salt Lake City, UT on the weekends.

          Wendover,NV is on the UT/NV border. I only stop there to fuel up & eat at the Peppermill Casino on my way to Moab, UT to see my bfff. And my bfff is the one who told me about the Mormons in Wendover sinning.

          ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

        • My thoughts too, MB . Seem that no explanation is offered, nothing to satisfy what was asked.

          • uuuuuhhhmmmm I think what we’re trying to get at is that RELIGION had a lot to do with this case. Some may say it doesn’t, but I also think it DID!

          • Ummm…forgive me for asking “spring” but..

            To whom were you posting a, quite frankly, pretty sarcastic post?

      • I think that’s a very lame excuse, personally, its not like we don’t have the evidence.

  38. Oops, I didn’t realize there was a new page. Here’s a post from the old page that I should have posted here:

    Al, that’s kind of what I’ve been saying for a while (regarding the DeMarte cross). I don’t know if you recall (and I can’t even remember the day I posted it), but I was livid about DeMarte’s cross by JW. She got to a certain point, she was scoring, and she simply sat down. Joujoubaby vehemently disagreed with me and said “the first rule of cross, if you’re winning, sit down.” But JW wasn’t quite “winning” yet. She was scoring, for sure. But she hadn’t quite gotten to “winning”.

    I think the jury (just like the media) were frustrated with Jodi being on the stand for sooooo long while everyone waited for her to discuss her relationship with Travis and what led up to his death. When she finally got there, she didn’t remember. What an anti-climax. Have you ever been around someone with a rapt audience to whom they are telling a great, but lengthy joke, and yet, at the end, they forget the punchline? Nothing is so disappointing. The jury didn’t need all the details of Jodi’s life. A little history about her ex-boyfriends was all that was necessary to show that she could, indeed, have normal relationships. But what the jury really wanted to know was what happened with Travis.

    Martinez won points on cross in regards to the gas cans and especially, the magazines with the coded message. He never went back to it. It didn’t look like Jodi’s handwriting. He didn’t ask her if it was her handwriting at all. But he allowed an inference that she was tampering with witnesses. Did the defense address that? No! They appeared blindsided by that, and they were simply not able to recover from it, even though they had days to do so. Why?

    Samuels had one purpose and one purpose only: to explain why Jodi didn’t recall the events of that day. But he was on the stand for days on end talking about basically irrelevant information in detail. As a woman with PTSD, I loved listening to him. But during voir dire, the prosecution made sure to exclude anyone like me or anyone with a family member with PTSD. So, the jury didn’t care. 1-2 days of Samuels would have been plenty. Then, Martinez was able to completely frazzle the guy on cross. I’m truly sorry that happened to Samuels. I loved him to pieces. But wasn’t the defense aware of what Martinez would do to him on cross? They learned by the time they got to Geffner and brought out all the negative potential FIRST! But why weren’t they prepared for that to occur with Samuels? Hadn’t they studied Martinez’s tactics ahead of time? Any junior lawyer (even in law school) learns the golden rule: address the negative FIRST. If you don’t, your opponent certainly will.

    Then, ALV, despite all her wonderful anecdotes, was not THE best domestic violence expert, regardless of her experience, because she is not a psychologist. The defense was obviously severely handicapped when Karp backed out due to cancer, leaving them with little time to find a replacement. Geffner, as a Ph.D. would have been a much better alternative. Perhaps he was not available.

    I waited with baited breath for the one point Journee made above: why the overkill? Why the throat slash? Alyce never explained. Does anyone remember me asking and asking if they were saving that point for redirect? Even if they were, why? Why not bring it out right away? It was obviously the NO. 1 question everyone wanted to know. Even when the jurors asked a question that could have allowed for excellent follow up, the defense didn’t bother to go there.

    The defense didn’t raise the issue of dummy SKUs with the Wal-Mart witness. The jury did. And then, the defense, handed a golden opportunity, didn’t follow up. Good grief. They let the jury ask questions they should have.

    The same thing happened with Horn and his intact dura matter. His typo included not only the dura mater but the falx cerebri. If he meant to say the falx cerebri was intact but the dura mater wasn’t, he wouldn’t have dictated “The falx cerebri and dura matter appear intact” or however that was worded. Did JW ask that question? No, of course not.

    I don’t understand how you can say that the intruder story would have been more difficult to prove than self-defense. Self-defense is a hard sell to ANY jury without a witness. And most importantly, without her calling the cops immediately thereafter. Without the gun and knife, it made it even more difficult.

    But with a throat slash, self-defense was impossible to achieve acquittal. You knew that, I knew that, SJ knew that, and perhaps a few other realistic people here did also. It was obviously NOT the defense’s goal. Yes, there are some here who seem to think it was perfectly justifiable in a self-defense scenario, but the fact of the matter is, it wasn’t and anyone who thinks otherwise is really not living in reality. If the throat slash hadn’t been in the equation, this could have turned out differently.

    Even more importantly, the throat slash was NEVER justified or explained. No witness addressed how battered women who kill their abuser almost always “overkill”. So, if the throat slash was so easy to explain Tonysam, then why wasn’t it explained?

    Tonysam, you see this as classic self defense and you think Jodi was good on the stand. But the point is, she didn’t remember inflicting the actual wounds that caused Travis to die and they were NEVER explained. After weeks on the stand, she finally got to discuss the actual killing and then, she didn’t remember. Don’t you see WHY that caused the jury to see her as a liar? Don’t you see how the defense hurt the case by showing her perfect recall of every detail of her life except this one traumatic incident? Sure, there’s a valid explanation for that. But the problem is, don’t you see how Samuels’ testimony was not believed because he became so frazzled on cross and the defense did not rehabilitate him sufficiently?

    Then, there were the other credibility problems with Jodi: the gas cans (a stupid stupid stupid theory, but it worked) and the magazines. Did the defense work to restore Jodi’s credibility about those? No, they did not.

    Then, there are even people here who find Jodi difficult to relate to or weird and I don’t mean the trolls. She sassed back at JM, she objected to his questions, she laughed at times, and got angry at others. I don’t blame her entirely. He is extremely difficult to handle. But who do I blame? Her defense attorneys. If she was going to testify, she needed to appear meek and mild. Sure, many people excuse that as having spent 5 years incarcerated. But do you think the jury cared about that? And was that even explained? NO! She presented as meek and mild on direct, but defiant on cross. That’s not a good sell to a jury. Her attorneys should have prepared her better, and if they felt she would not make a good witness whose demeanour did not change between direct and cross (which should have been investigated LONG before she changed her plea), then, they should have kept her OFF the stand.

    You also completely fail to understand that this was a death penalty qualified jury selected, in part, because they had the ability to serve as a juror for a very lengthy trial. Because the trial was predicted to last until mid-April, that meant those jurors had to be able to walk away from their lives and careers for 3.5 months without it affecting their health or financial status irreparably. (It ended up taking a month longer than expected, I realize, but that’s beside the point.) So you end up with a potential jury panel (after all the potentials who can not serve for 3.5 months) who are either (a) unemployed, (b) retired, (c) stay-at-home parents, and/or (c) independently wealthy. For the most part, you end up with an older jury — as happened here. In a conservative county and state, a trial involving graphic sex, isn’t going to give you the best odds.

    But death penalty qualified juries are already NOT a jury of our peers. Look around here on an average day of posts. We have people who DO believe in the death penalty, and others who DON’T. Heck, even on the hater sites, there are people who say they don’t believe in the death penalty. Anyone who couldn’t sentence to the death penalty was excluded from the jury. That means that many of us here would have been excluded (even omitting those of us who were abused) from the available posters at this site, that still doesn’t constitute 50% of us.

    Death penalty qualified jurors are more pro-law enforcement than jurors who do not believe in the death penalty, or who are equivocal about the death penalty. Jurors on the whole assume that a prosecutor and law enforcement are more likely credible than a defendant and defense attorneys. That’s a fact. Look it up if you don’t believe me.

    Look at the jurors who are speaking out: a former 911 operator (pro-law enforcement), a former nurse (often pro-law enforcement and jaded by crime injuries), and a banker (generally very conservative — often pro-prosecution). Those are the ones we’ve heard from so far. They have also said (especially No. 6) that they felt a strong duty to serve as a juror. Most people who feel this way also are inclined to believe the prosecution. In other words, they feel they have a duty to convict.

    So, call the jury tainted all you want. But the real fact of the matter is the defense chose the wrong strategy, they missed the boat repeatedly with not “winning” points, they didn’t call a medical expert, they obviously missed critical points (such as the dura mater not being penetrated — which required a medical expert to notice or — laughably — the jury), they let the jury ask about some of the most important issues, they didn’t prepare witnesses to deal with someone like Martinez, or they didn’t realize what he was capable of or thought a death penalty qualified jury in a conservative area — who re-elects Sheriff Joe and Jan Brewer — would not like him, even though he wins the vast majority of his cases, and they presented without having a Plan B when the line of questioning from their Plan A went south.

    The only concession I will give the defense is that they faced a jury that was exclusively white for deliberation (with one Hispanic in the entire 18 possibles, who subsequently was excused for illness prior to deliberations), and not one African American. Therein lies an appellate issue, since they objected to the jury selection, and, it seems Martinez won their objections to peremptory challenges.

    That’s what actually happened here. Like it or not.

    • Jodi had to get on the stand, AA, because of the self defense claim.

      She was on the stand too long because of the cross, and the 250 juror questions.

      This jury was going to try to kill her regardless, they made up their minds during opening statements.

      This was the best experts they could get, people knew this trial would go down like this… experts getting threatened.

      • No sorry, Renee, she was on the stand for many days on direct. Cross wouldn’t have been as long if direct was shorter. And there would have been less juror questions.

        Some of the jury may have been going to kill her from opening statements onwards. I don’t doubt that. But if the defense strategy had NOT been self-defense, would you be saying that?

        They weren’t the best experts they could get. I’ve asked around and I know for a fact that certain nationally known experts would have been more than willing but weren’t approached. If there’s ever a retrial (which I doubt), I’ve asked if they would still have an interest, even after all this publicity, and I’ve been told they would.

        • WOW. You know more people than I do, then. Who were these nationally known experts?

          You seem real snarky at me, AA, and quite frankly, I have had enough of your know-it-all-ness, and the fact you think you know more than anyone else. A lot of us have been abused. Many of us know the law. I am a paralegal. Did you know that? I am allowed my opinion, yes, I am.

          I gotta walk away right now.

          Later

          • I’m not going to post the names of the nationally-known experts here so they can be harassed. But I am involved in many domestic violence groups where some experts participate.

            Yes, I do know that you’re a paralegal. You’ve said that many times. I’ve never said you don’t know the law. And I haven’t ever been snarky with you. But it seems you are the one being snarky at this point.

          • Renee, I like the opinions that you post because I can tell you are a compassionate person. I can tell you are lover of people and on this site that person is Jodi Arias. You and a lot of others don’t let us forget that.
            Thanks, Thanks for helping us not to forget what we are here for.
            Her name is Jodi Arias.

    • I wondered where the Black folks were at myself. I know there are plenty there as will as Latinos!!!

      • Exactly, Moni! And PLENTY of retired blacks too. Martinez didn’t want blacks on the jury, especially not black women. They’re way too sympathetic about domestic violence.

    • Well hell, if the other jurors thought like 17 did, then nothing the defense did would have made a bit of difference. She had Jodi convicted on opening statements.

      It’s true that the defense could have strategized more effectively in certain ways. But the fact that this jury was death-qualified, pro-law enforcement, and older/conservative/felt a strong duty to convict kind of shows that Nurmi/Wilmott were screwed from the outset, right?

      And it’s water under the bridge now.

    • And I think that more than “a few of us” knew that acquittal was a long, long shot due to the throat slash. That seemed to be the majority consensus here, not the opinion of just one or two individuals who were more realistic than the rest of us.

    • “I waited with baited breath for the one point Journee made above: why the overkill? Why the throat slash? Alyce never explained.”

      In fairness to Alyce, she did say – with a bit of a hitch in her voice, even – that when abused women finally fight back, “they often don’t know when to stop.” I even remember the look on Jodi’s face when she said it, like her heart was breaking.

      But, of course, Martinez shut her down practically before all the words were even out of her mouth. And the point was never re-visited.

    • AA,

      I agree with everything you’ve said and in spades. I was saying just about all of this while the trial was going on. At one stage I remember commenting on the fact that I would wish the defense would come to this site and read some of the comments. I even sent a link to Marshall Evan’s book and the NIH report on gunshots to the head to Willmott’s general office email.

      I don’t know if it was possible, but I believe they should have put Samuels on before Jodi. I think once the defense had made a proffer to the judge that they would have tied it all together, she would probably have allowed it. The way I look at it is that the attorneys are really sales people, and the product they are selling to their customer (the jury) is their side of the case. In any sales exercise there are two approaches you can take. The first one says, here’s my product and its the only one you need to consider because its the only one that meets the requirements. The second one, where you have a competing product requires you to tell the customer why your product is better and why the other product is deficient. The first sales guy to get to the customer always sets the bar, and a good sales person in that position always touts his positives and leaves the buyer convinced of the virtues of his product. The second person now needs to not only tout his own product but also show why it is superior to the other guys. And the decision making process is a sort of real time process, wherein the customer is subconsciously making sure that the second salesperson addresses the issues raised by the first. If you leave some issues unanswered, at a critical juncture, you may actually loose the customer’s interest and hence the sale. It is also really important to tell a cohesive story in a sequence that does not allow the customer to write you off before all is said and done.

      In normal jury trials the attorneys are somewhat blind, since there is no feedback from the jury till the end. In AZ, the fact that the jury asks questions actually lets the attorneys get some feedback and correct for any deficiencies that may have been left.

      I know that people say the defense doesn’t have to prove anything. I also know that technically this is true. But does this actually happen in court? I don’t think so. That is why you have people who get wrongly convicted, sometimes, when not only did they not do what they are accused of, but weren’t even there to start with. So the defense does have to fight. It must do everything it can to destroy the state’s case, whether it be through discrediting the state’s witnesses and evidence or putting on their own case. In this particular case I believe they failed on both counts. And this was after the state and sometimes the jury opened gates they could have driven the proverbial Mack truck through. They should have been ready to lay out the inconsistencies in the blood spatter evidence, and Horn’s testimony right at the onset. They should have stridently proven to the jury that the gun stolen from grandpa had hollow points and the bullet recovered from TA was not. They should have directly confronted the ballistics person with the effects of a 25 caliber gunshot. They should have confronted Horn with the various and sundry reports on the effects of a gunshot wound to the head. They should have carried out a demonstration about those back wounds while Horn was on the stand (much as they did with Jodi’s finger). They should have gone through each instance where Horn said something was consistent with JM’s theory and asked him whether it was also possible that it was not (Horn was very careful with how he worded those statements and could have been easily led down the path of saying they were consistent with something else). They never raised the issue that his autopsy report showed no puncture of the lungs or air passage to cause the blood spatter on the sink. In fact his autopsy report said that the lungs showed no areas of induration, consolidation, hemorrhage or gross scaring and the airways were patent and of normal caliber. This was sort of like the dura mater. Since they seemed to have missed it during the states case in chief I was of the opinion, and said so, that the defense should have called Horn to the stand as their witness and hit him over the head with his own autopsy report and all the other reports about gun shot wounds. And by the way the AZ rules that allow any relevant issue to be raised would have let them do all of this.

      After JM played Jodi’s interviews with Flores and the TV shows the defense knew that any story they put up through Jodi’s testimony would be looked at with utter skepticism by the jury. If that story differed in any way from the what she had already told, they had to make damn sure that the jury was ready to accept the story they were getting ready to tell. If this meant that they needed to put an expert up to explain fight or flight and the effects of acute stress they should have done it before they put Jodi up there. They didn’t even have to connect it to her in particular at that stage. I don’t know how the rules differ between federal district court on civil suits and AZ criminal cases, but we had a case in federal court about a government contract. Some of the clauses in such contracts are peculiar to government contracts and fly in the face of common logic as does the customary way of performing on such contracts. The judge let us put on an expert, before our side ever testified about the actual issues to just explain this stuff, with the a promise from our attorney that he would tie it all up later. And this expert had never looked at our case, he was merely testifying to things that could happen in a hypothetical situation. The same could have been done here, particularly because once the jury wrote off Jodi’s loss of memory as hogwash, there was probably no recovering from it. I think by the time Samuels came to the stand, that part of the game was over.

      While we’re on Samuels testimony, I just don’t understand how the defense allowed that sort of malarkey to go on. It’s like I tell my kids and employees – details matter. They go to you overall credibility. So the guy shows up without the bubble sheet. Send him back for it instead of writing it down on a sheet of paper. You know that’s going to become an issue. Didn’t anyone check his report for typos? Once the story changed to self defense, how the hell no one picked up on the fact that her PTSD test still said attack by strangers? This is just elementary stuff.

      The same things holds for the whole gas can fiasco. The elements of what made up JM’s case were clear to everyone, and in there was this issue of the gas receipts and gas cans. Particularly since he paraded the receipts and questioned Darryl about the gas cans before Jodi ever took the stand. Somehow, someone should have looked at those and had Jodi ready for them. At the end of the day, it is out of the normal to have multiple gas receipts from the same station within a matter of minutes. I don’t care what the reason is, but we all fill gas, and rarely do we have multiple receipts. The only time I can think of multiple transactions in my life is when I have gotten one grade of gas for my car and another for my lawn mower. So if its not normal question it and be ready with the answer. The same hold with the whole Walmart fiasco. You are so right, that they just blew it. They had ample opportunity to address this issue. There are only three possibilities to that fiasco – the misc SKU, or arbitrary refund as some have suggested, a return to a different Walmart in the same town, as geebee2 has suggested or a flat out lie as JM has suggested. The first two should have been handled by the defense when the Walmart folks were on the stand. The third one should have been addressed before Jodi ever left the stand. I was yelling and screaming when this happened, that if they didn’t have a candid talk with her and address the issue it would sink their case. I remember tonysam yelling about how I was from a different part of the country and didn’t understand people carried gas in the desert. That wasn’t my point, and should not have been the defense’s point. Once they put on the self defense case, I don’t care what the law says, you have to convince the jury that your client is truthful. No amount of appeals will overturn the jury’s verdict because they ruled due to not believing the defendant. The appeals courts will not revisit that issue. The jury pretty much has free run on that, and the defense lawyers know that.

      And then, as you say, a death qualified jury comes with a proclivity for findings of guilt. So if you want success you have to ram home your case with just so much more force. And you can’t wait till closing to do that. I suspect that most jurors have made up their minds by that stage, and trying to get a juror to change their minds in closing is like trying to get a judge to reconsider their ruling – good luck with that.

      So who knows where this chain of errors started – was it in the decision to put forth the self defense claim, though I understand the lesser included argument you made, or was it just abject incompetence, or a combination thereof?

      Be that as it may, this is where we now, and I don’t really know what happens in any appeals, or how long it takes to get there, but I do believe that this jury wrongly convicted a person of M1, where the state failed to make its case and a good defense team would have torn it to shreds.

      The result may have been the same due to media and public pressure and influence, but at least one could say that the defense did a great job – which sadly I can’t say today.

      • Al, you just pointed out another gaping hole and huge error. Why not put Samuels up once to explain why Jodi told different stories? Then, put him back up AFTER Jodi to explain her fugue?

        And while I’m at it, that whole testing to diagnose PTSD really irked me anyway. I’ve seen two psychiatrists, two psychologists and a licensed clinical social worker. None of them have ever given me a single test. Both psychiatrists and both psychologist have diagnoses me with PTSD, however. And Samuels’ tests came LONG before DeMarte’s, so that’s not the reason.

        I don’t agree with the defense calling Horn, and I’m not even sure they could have. But they certainly could have used some kind of medical expert (an M.D.) I mean to counter his testimony. I missed the part about the lungs. Thanks for pointing that out. That M.D. could have countered that. He/she could also have examined Jodi’s finger for crying out loud. Since it was an old injury, he/she couldn’t have gotten far, but *some* testimony would have been better than none.

        And if there were photos of bruises, as Jodi said, why the hell weren’t they used when she was on the stand?

        Sure, the defense doesn’t have to put on a case at all. The burden of proof is on the prosecution. But seriously, anyone who says that is nuts. The defense has to DISPROVE the state’s case. Otherwise, why wouldn’t a jury believe the prosecution? Jurors come with a preconceived notion that someone accused of a crime that gets all the way to trial is probably guilty. There actually have been cases where a fool decided to represent himself and did nothing. Guess what? The fool lost.

        I stand by my theory that Nurmi, a seasoned PD, assumed Martinez would accept his more than generous plea offer. When that didn’t happen, he scrambled to prepare a case for trial. Granted, the prosecution didn’t turn over evidence, and there were major problems with that. But it looks like he only started pushing for that late in the game.

        I also missed this one, and so did the defense, did you?

        http://blinkoncrime.com/2013/04/22/jodi-arias-trial-rebuttal-winds-down-fog-fugue-freed-or-fraud-are-the-sex-pics-from-months-before-travis-alexanders-murder-do-they-show-arias-broke-in/#more-6814

        “The blue SD card labeled exhibit #215, confirmed by the State by its two witnesses Heather Connor and Det Melendez to be the card where all deleted images were extracted.

        There’s just one problem with that. Well, maybe two. Connor stated it was located in the bottom of the washer along with the camera battery cover, which were separate from the camera itself. In fact, one can see the battery pack in the camera from the image taken into the washer.

        Melendez stated he found the card or memory stick inside the camera when he opened its cover door.

        How did it get there if he was the only one who handled it, and how does he account for the fact that it is definitely not compatible with Travis’s camera a Sony (insert model).

        Travis’s camera used a proprietary Sony duopro memory stick which is thinner and rectangular, and included notches for locking the data contained on it. The blue SD card cannot and does not fit inside the camera.

        SO….

        How does one account for the fact that there is only one card located in exhibit #215 and it is indeed now a Sony duopro, and it is NOT the same card pictured in the envelope presented by Thomas through prosecutor Juan Martinez.

        …

        While on the stand initially calling the duopro card a SIM card, Melendez stated that SIM cards are smaller and primarily used in phones. This is an incorrect explanation. The storage format Martinez was referring to as a SIM is actually Micro SD. However, no micro SD cards have been admitted into evidence at trial.

        In Flores’s interview, he expressly stated that the analysts DID NOT work with the original card or cards in the case that they only make a copy, a mirror copy and work with that. Again, incorrect as we heard Melendez testify that he could not read the card removed until he placed the card directly into his “forensic machine”. No copy was ever made and the images recovered consisted then of deleted and non-deleted items from the card Melendez testified he removed from Travis’s camera himself.”

        WTF?

        Look, I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again … if Jodi had been convicted of manslaughter, I’m sure we’d all be praising the defense team right now. But she wasn’t.

        I strongly recommend that everyone read Jose Baez’s book. I don’t care if you like what he said about the verdict or not. Read it to learn about his strategy. He didn’t miss a damn trick in that trial and that’s why Casey was acquitted. He covered and uncovered everything he could, even flying out of the country when he had to, and begging people to help him.

        I don’t think Nurmi was hungry enough to do the same (and I don’t mean his appetite for food). He’s interested in defending sex crimes. He’s not interested in defending murders. He’s got 10 years of experience at the PD’s office which will bring him plenty of clients. The difference is Jose Baez was struggling in his law practice and he wanted and really really needed to win a big case. He also really cared about Casey. I don’t think Nurmi cared about Jodi, although Willmott did, or so it seemed. But Willmott wasn’t the boss. There were many times we saw her struggling with Nurmi to object and him deciding against it. But even Willmott has a nice little practice with her husband.

        • Jose was an absolute rock star, I agree. He was severely underestimated by the judge, prosecution, and media.

          • So true, Kira. No one saw him coming. As he said in his book, he had a LOT to prove and he was going to prove it.

            • I didn’t watch the whole trial, only clips in the major media, but the feeling I got was that JM came in loaded for bear and well-prepared.

              I felt that Nurmi was floundering and reacting instead of taking the lead. Wilmott seemed to have her wits about her but was subordinate to Nurmi.

              Jodi might have stood a better chance had Wilmott lead the defense.

        • As a psychiatrist, I can state that testing for criminal cases is the norm, not the exception. Is it needed? Probably not. Nothing can replace a good clinical interview. Unfortunately the court is an abusive system, and mental health professionals feel a strong need to use it in criminal cases.

          • Interesting, Rebecca. So, are you saying that if testing was not conducted, the prosecution would have at least attempted to dismiss the diagnosis?

            Have you ever seen a case where a psychiatrist/psychologist did NOT test?

            What is your opinion of Samuels not repeated the test after Jodi’s story changed from intruder to self-defense? Did you think that was necessary, or do you think that PTSD is PTSD, regardless of whether it’s a bear or a tiger that caused the trauma?

            Thanks for your insight.

            • In criminal cases you are damned if you do and damned if you do not. The issue becomes, not relying on testing exclusively I have seen mental health professionals testify without it, but that is usually questioned. Yes DR. Samuels should have re-administered the testing. I am surprised that he thought he could pull that off. He did not serve Jodi well. He should have used the current DSM. He played into Mr. Martinez’s hand.. If one has current testing, the goal becomes showing that the clinical interview is consistent with the testing.

              • By the way if the testing is not consistent with the clinical interview or interviews, it is important to be honest and say so. My experience tells me that the interviews are more relevant than the testing. Unfortunately, the court values testing and attorneys tend to like some sort of proof. What they tend to not understand, is that it is only one tool. You know attorney’s more than I do.

                • Thanks so much Rebecca. You have explained a LOT that I wondered about. I don’t remember a case where we have psychological testing, so I don’t know how the attorneys I worked with would have reacted to having testing vs. not having it.

                  I think the problem with experts in any field, is that you’ll always get another expert to contradict them. That happened in some medical malpractice cases firms I worked for handled especially.

              • DSM is current. It is not supposed to change until 2015. Martinez started with his smoke and mirrors bringing in the TR.

                • The psychologist Dr. Samuels used The dsm4 not the dsm 4 tr. THe DSm 4 should not have been used. I am we’ll aware of the Upcoming DSm 5.

                • The DSM 4 TR is current. DR. Samuels used the outdated DSM 4. One never goes to court siting an outdated diagnostic manual. It creates the look of incompetence on the part of the clinician. This issue allowed the prosecution to give him the appearance of sloppiness and incompetence. I am well aware that the DSM 5 is in publishing.

                • After watching several trials where experts have testified, especially
                  mental health experts that the system would benefit by having neutral
                  experts that are satisfactory to both sides testify.

        • AA,

          About the memory cards, I had raised this issue before, most recently yesterday. My question was unfortunately rather cryptic in that all I said was

          6. And what’s with the memory cards for the camera? (Notice the plural)

          I figured everyone else had caught the inconsistencies there. Teaches me for not being more specific.

          I just went and read the site you posted and while I agree with the facts, not necessarily with the conclusion.

          In my past posts about the pictures, the point was that something was possibly amiss. The biggest issue I had was the absence of the XIF data on some of the pictures, and Jodi’s comments in the Flores interviews and the fact that the various people were describing what sounded to me like two different memory cards. I remember remarking that some cameras when connected to a computer act like a simple hard drive and pictures can be transferred to them at will. Now almost all cameras (probably 99.99999%) will include the XIF data on the original picture. However, if you open the image with some photo editing software it allows you to get rid of the XIF data, and such pictures can still be moved from spot to spot. And in fact there was a jury question to that effect, whether the pictures could be from somewhere else, and also if the dates could be modified.

          However, as you pointed out the other day, once the defense came up with the self defense story the issue of whether these pictures came from some other place becomes moot, because Jodi’s story claims that the pictures were taken that day.

          Which then begs the question – with so much info floating around that shows something else, did the defense shoot itself in the foot with the self defense story?

          While we are on the story of pictures let’s talk about that whole enlarged picture of the eye thing. Remember how at one time there were these theories floating around about an image of the right eye showing two people floating around. I was extremely skeptical of that when I first read it. But I then listened to the photo experts testimony of what he did with the image of the left eye, and from a technical point of view it made complete sense. So if he’s to be believed then what, if anything was reflected in the other eye? The other issue is that the defense got a stipulation from JM that said that when that picture was taken it showed that Jodi had neither gun, nor knife in her hands. But other than that one statement by the judge, at the end of a long boring day the defense never brought it up again. What the heck was the point of going through all the work and that evidentiary hearing if you never intended to bring it up again. If you look at the timelines involved, the fact that they managed to show that Jodi was unarmed at that stage was huge, because, f the state’s theory was true, she would have had to go to some other room, get a knife , come back and stab TA, have the fight, drag his body back and then go get the gun and shoot him. The more activity you try and put into that short time frame, the less likely it becomes. But again, they just let it go.

          In as far as Nurmi not wanting to win this case, I’m a little surprised, but again it may have to do with his overall acumen. I don’t care if you want to defend sex crimes, or bank robberies, or white collar stuff – you win a trial of this magnitude and the publicity can be nothing but good for your career. It’s the kind of publicity you’d have to spend a billion dollars to buy, and you’re getting it for free. I know any publicity is good, but publicity with a big win is really, really good. So unless he’s just blind to what moves business one’s way he had to know that this trial could have put him at the top of the Phoenix area A list.

          In as far as the Plea deal goes, the original plea offer was made in October 2010. When they got no response they made another approach to the state in December 2010. That led nowhere, so 2 years before trial he knew they weren’t going for it. They had a settlement conference in July 2011, a year and a half before trial and they knew then the state wasn’t going for it. So I think he had a bunch of time to get ready.

          In fact Stephens had already granted a huge continuance due to Willmott coming, on stating

          “The Court finds that delay is indispensable to the interests of justice and that the
          following extraordinary circumstance(s) exist warranting the continuance:
          New counsel has been appointed and needs sufficient time to prepare for trial.”

          And this was some 7 months after the plea deal was rejected. AS a point of interst, during the settlement efforts Jodi was represented not just by Nurmi and Victoria Washington but also by the local Federal PD’s office (they were bringing in every gun they had).

          But I don’t think this was a time issue. Someone goes to the lower end law schools and someone graduates in the lower half of the class, but once admitted to the bar, they’re all lawyers. I remember, during a conversation about the blunders at Little Bighorn one of my friends pointed out that Custer was graduated last in his class, and only because in 1961 they were taking on anyone who was willing, and in fact he had been close to expulsion from West Point.

          I too don’t understand the whole PTSD test thing that Samuels did. He could have very well have done it through a clinical evaluation without a test. The Mayo clinic says

          “Post-traumatic stress disorder is diagnosed based on signs and symptoms and a thorough psychological evaluation. Your doctor or mental health professional will ask you to describe the signs and symptoms you’re experiencing — what they are, when they occur, how intense they are and how long they last. Your doctor also might ask you to describe the event that led up to your symptoms. ”

          Using tests seems an afterthought for these folks. They don’t even mention it. But be that as it may, DeMarte’s test also should clinically elevated levels for PTSD, and Willmott should have just honed in on that instead of going through all these other results that just were irrelevant to DeMarte’s alleged impeachment of Samuels. You have to know which battles to fight.

          The more I look at this stuff, the more I manage to convince myself, that something else happened that day. I don’t really know what it was because some of that evidence was never brought out, and probably never will be. I also know that the aspects of the self defense theory were related to JM as early as late 2010, because he mentions some of them in various court filings, so he was well prepared for that story.

          The problem as I see it lies in the fact that there are some things out there that just don’t match up with the self defense story, and in fact match up better with the intruder story. So even if you had a jury that was not influenced by any outside pressure, and had lived this case for 5 months, it is possible that someone there starts questioning some of this stuff. And when that happens you have a real issue on your hands. A case in point, something I have talked about before is that Jodi’s initial description of the events matches the blood evidence. Now the jury saw the same tape as I did, and heard the same blood spatter testimony. Now the defense comes back and says, she doesn’t remember anything much after the gun going off. So how did that completely fabricated intruder story match the physical evidence – was it just coincidence? Someone’s going to ask that, and PTSD or no PTSD, its just too much to pass over. So if the defense says that intruder thing never happened, and you are faced with the incongruity of the fog, do you as the jury then believe JM’s story?

          The issue with this case, in my opinion is and was the physical evidence. They could probably have argued this through on a reasonable doubt and lack of sufficient proof basis without the danger of all these contradictions and also the dager of putting Jodi on the stand.

          But of course we have the luxury of Monday morning quarter backing this and who knows how one would have acted in real time.

          I do still believe that the whole self defense issue was Nurmi’s idea and I believe that Samuels probably did a lot of damage to that claim when he said that Nurmi took him to visit Jodi to convince her to get off the intruder story. That just wasn’t kosher, and it made me go Whoa, WTF.

          • ( Samuels probably did a lot of damage to that claim when he said that Nurmi took him to visit Jodi to convince her to get off the intruder story. That just wasn’t kosher, and it made me go Whoa, WTF.)

            WOW AL that really upsets me ! I did not know they convinced her to change the story.

            That was stupid ! this was one reason everyone is so hateful for the story changes. That
            would have made a big difference I think. I kept saying that she remembers the shot an
            him falling on her on the tile but after that a FOG. Ok how do I know after 2 times being
            thrown on tile she was not unconscious an someone else was in that room ? I keep thinking
            that also but she can’t remember so she went with it? she did say in interrogation to Flores I guess I did they say I did. An on the stand she did say I guess an then I don’t know an then Yes to JM. Because she can’t remember the stabbings.

            I wish they would check the other EYE for shadows I think it has 3 people in it one kneeling
            an 2 behind that person (Jodi) I still will never believe Jodi would put the camera in the washer sounds like something a stupid roommate would do though to me. Smart an aware enough to take the gun the rope an knife but not the camera COME ON ! it does not add up.

          • I believe that the reason the image wasn’t brought up because the judge made a ruling that if the weasel would agree at JODI was unarmed then it –the photo— couldn’t be mentioned or brought into evidence. although I am not entirely sure that this is correct (please help me with this if anybody knows for sure about the image, etc.,) (NOTE: if what I stated is fact—then to me this is just another sign of JM and the state withholding factual evidence)

            • The stipulation they agreed to was that at the time that picture was taken,( and the judge gave them the exhibit number and put the picture up on the screen) Jodi was unarmed. Once a stipulation is made, that becomes a piece of evidence that neither side disputes and can be referred to by either side just as any other bit of evidence.

          • well the judge should have took a trip to the lab to see for herself the images that could have been seen through use of enhancing the pixels.

            And I know in my divorce case, my attorney actually had another attorney represent me and took the stand and the fall on having misrepresenting me so that the previous Judge’s order that was filled became null and void. I wonder if Nurmi could do this, by admitting he pressured his client into a defense that was untrue?

            • The judge would /could have made the trip to the lab—-with the jury too—-if she wasn’t as corrupt as the rest of the prosecutorial tem is……she knew that that image alone would have blown her little imp’s case clear out of the court—so she chose not to allow the image to be shown

    • Hate to disagree with you AA —but the DT did what they were supposed to do. Unfortunately the state was wholly corrupt—- from the prosecutors, and his witnesses, lies and the judge’s obvious bias towards JODI and her lawyers—-the only thing possible was to call attention to the absolute travesty of justice that occurred and make it possible for the entire “case” against JODI to be overturned and thrown—along with JM, the judge, the ME and EF—out completely.

      • Duke, if the judge was biased, then why do all the haters think she was biased in the other direction?

        And if the defense did exactly what they were supposed to, why are many lawyers saying otherwise? Are you a criminal defense lawyer?

        If you think this case will be “thrown out” in its entirety, I will suggest that you not hold your breath. It’s extremely difficult to overturn a jury verdict completely.

        • No AA I am NOT a defense attorney Nor am I any sort of attorney whatsoever: however, I am a person with not only a college degree but a person who looks at the whole picture and the picture before me tells me that this case —-once it reaches the court of appeals WILL be overturned—-so while I am holding my breath suggest that you have more faith in your instincts and all the true evidence as presented by the DT. Someone will see that this travesty of justice was wrong on every level—and though I agree that a jury decision is very difficult to overturn —- will over-turn the jury’s verdict.

        • The haters are fools with tunnel vision and see only what their hate allows them to see—-they feel that she was biased towards the state simply because they are far too ignorant to accept the truth—that JODI is innocent! And no AA I am in no way angry nor upset with you as we are all on the same team here—-seeking justice and freedom for JODI.

    • Could it be that the DT realized that they were fighting an uphill battle due to the judge’s obvious bias and knew that the were going to have to show enough judicial misconduct on the state’s part so as to put forth an appeal that is strong enough to overturn the verdict and set JODI free! Also, if there were intruders—as JODI stated—- and they attacked both her and douche-bag and she fought with them until they somehow incapacitated her long enough to plant “evidence” to make it seem as if JODI had killed the douche-bag…would not that have been self-defense on JODI’s part? (One of my cousins who thought that JODI was guilty until I talked to him about everything said it sounded to him like JODI may have been drugged by her attackers and when she came to thought that she had killed TA—which would/could explain her having no recollection of what happened. Didn’t she say tat THEY told me that I killed TA so I must have? HMMMMM)

    • AA, yours is an excellent analysis of this trial and this jury. I agree with most EVERYTHING you say….with exception of one thing: I think it was Jodi who insisted on testifying…..and the client over rules the defense lawyers in such a case. I wanted to scream throughout her testimony….”LESS IS MORE, LESS IS MORE”, but apparently both defense and prosecutor did not understand such a concept.

    • HI AA,

      A bit late to this post but I hope you see it.

      I agree that there was just not enough emphasis on the medical aspects of this case. I wanted a neurologist to testify about the amnesia – someone who could be convincing about shock, trauma and its chemical effects on the brain. To bring in a neuro-psychologist to do that – although I felt that Dr. S did a fine job until the last few moments when he was painted into a corner – was muddying the waters. As Dr. Samuels’ testimony continued, I was concerned about the way the amnesia was so conflated with her guilt or innocence, and other aspects of her personality. An M.D. would have been much more convincing and could have presented evidence we can’t even guess at. The field of neuroscience is just warming up.

      Instead of straight up chemistry, we ended with Dr. Samuels referring to Jodi as “the perpetrator” – over and over. My heart sank. It made her sound like “the initiator”. JW tried in vain through repeated questions to have him re-word it somehow, to re-state that point, but he kept on with the same verbiage. JM at one point even stopped yelling at Dr. S when he realized that he had gotten what he wanted out of him. Dr. Samuels had called Jodi “the perpetrator” repeatedly and JM knew to leave the jury with that.

      Over the course of the several days he was on the stand, Dr. Samuels had been gradually moved from the position of stating that “even a perpretrator” can experience PTSD to something much more damning. To me, that was without question the worst thing that happened in this trial for Jodi.

      In his closing, Nurmi asserted that the crime scene evidence showed that at some point, both of them had feared for their lives. But the defense should have had a careful strategy as they went along to remind the jury continually that just such a fight had occurred – one that could have had a deadly outcome for either of the parties. JM wanted the jury to believe that Travis just stood passively and accepted stabbing? He would not have stated it thus if the defense had laid their ground work for self defense more carefully. It would have been more of an uphill battle for JM in his closing to paint Travis as passive and not a perpetrator at all. The fight shows that he engaged as well; the aftermath of the struggle appears deadly, as if anyone in the entire house would have been at risk.

      JW struggled to get Dr. Samuels away from calling Jodi “the perpetrator”, but it seemed as if she did not know how the formulate the right question. This was at the very end of Dr. Samuels’ testimony and JW did not want to leave the jury with the impression that Dr. Samuels also was stating that Jodi had initiated the fight. If she had asked Dr. Samuels more questions about “surviving” a fight in her concluding questioning of Dr. Samuels, and how a “survivor” would experience PTSD even more if they had had to kill an intimate partner, it would have made JM’s job in closing much more difficult.

      The absence of a scientific approach in this case was very surprising to me and that includes the lack of specificity with respect to Travis’ injuries. The defense counsel should have been able to make a better case that the prosecution/L.E. had messed up.

  39. Putting JODI on the stand was not a mistake at all. The true mistake was the drone-judge allowing that little piece of shit prosecutor—as he so fondly refers to himself—constantly twist not only JODI’s words ,,,,but those of all of the defense witnesses as well as the evidence. People are still referring to the petrol cans—when in fact she did return a can to the Wal-Mart …..albeit a KEROSENE can —-which I have personally heard people that I know call a “gas” can in general terms as each is a type of fuel. So it could be easily explained as JODI simply saying she returned a gas can even though it was actually a kerosene can —-hence she was not lying about the can …..she was simply confused as to the type of can she turned.

    • the mormons owned stephens, as they did the prosecution and the police in the guise of jm, and flores, other state institutions, and the electronic media, etc

      scapegoating jodi was a mormon operation to divert attention away from them

      but even all their magic underwear will not hide the corruption from coming out, in due course, and jodi finally being acquitted of all charges

      • Go read ANY hater site and see what they think of the judge there. Then, come back and tell me she was biased from the get-go.

        • I don’t need to read any of the hater sights as I saw and heard the entire trial with my own eyes and ears–and everything about that joke-of-a-judge reeks of bias towards the defense and JODI

        • Hi Also Abused
          i came into the trial half way through
          i have never read any material from a hater site
          my opinion is independent of what they say about her or their views on her

          stephens became a judge via an election process, in which the political machinery pre-selected her
          therefore she’s a law and order judge as is sheriff joe arpaio
          she’s a political judge, in a state or mormon theocracy
          both beholden to the mormon power machine
          arizona’s judiciary if as represented by stephens is substandard as to competence
          it’s partial
          maybe she’s par for the region ?

          her evidentiary rulings allowed jm almost totally unfettered capacity to abuse the rules of evidence during the trial and hence to distort and infect the evidence presented to the jury

          examples

          jm was allowed to yell at defense witnesses, including jodi,
          badger witnesses
          cut of their answers,
          misquote their answers,
          conflate extended hypotheticals to experts with reality,
          mock and abuse witnesses,
          one habit was to cut off witnesses answers, entangle experts in hypotheticals and then abuse them when they sought clarification as having a poor memory
          the poor memory gambit was improper and almost continuous
          jm also almost continuously and improperly used yes-no uestions,of which he bellowed out to the witnesses demanding a yes no response
          when they protested he called on stephens to enforce a yes no answer witnesses protested such would distort their response to the question which they and the jury had heard
          ie the witness testimony in answer to the question was to be a distortion presented to the jury
          stephens ALWAYS obliged jm

          her improper behavior might be explained as ignorance [ her first murder trial ], allowing jm considerable leeway in conducting his cross, etc

          but the degree and nature of his improper behavior was so outrageous that these explanations fall away in face of the obvious, a bias, a law and order or police judge, who conducted an unfair trial

          instead of a judge being an impartial arbiter in a criminal trial, favoring neither one side nor the other, she allowed and favored the gross abuses of the evidentiary rules by the prosecutor
          i hope that helps explains my prior brief analysis and conclusions
          🙂

          • >>>stephens became a judge via an election process, in which the political machinery pre-selected her

            Actually, judges are appointed in AZ, so it’s even worse … but they do have elections every few years thereafter.

            >>>she’s a political judge,

            Is there ANY other kind of judge?

            >>>but the degree and nature of his improper behavior was so outrageous that these explanations fall away in face of the obvious, a bias, a law and order or police judge, who conducted an unfair trial

            I really thought a lot of his behaviour was improper as well. But I’ve been asking around … first from the criminal defense lawyer on the Lawyers On Strike blog, and then, a few other lawyers/paralegals in criminal defense. I’m being told this is the “new prosecutor”. This is the way MANY of them act today.

            >>>instead of a judge being an impartial arbiter in a criminal trial, favoring neither one side nor the other, she allowed and favored the gross abuses of the evidentiary rules by the prosecutor

            I don’t see that, sorry. She gave the defense a LOT of leeway at certain times throughout the trial — leeway that another judge would not have given. As a result, she had to give the defense a lot of leeway. I think she tried to balance it out. Post-conviction, however, I will agree that she showed considerable bias towards the defense. Mostly, throughout the trial, she just didn’t control her courtroom well at all. And she had absolutely no concept of time management.

            I respect and appreciate your opinion, but I have to disagree with a lot of it.

            • AA,I wish there were some way to calculate…..other than painstakingly going through all the transcripts……how many times the judge denied defense objections and how many times she denied or accepted prosecution objections. It is my perception that she denied MANY MORE defense objections than prosecutorial objections. On balance, and off the top of your head, do you agree that it was terribly UNBALANCED?

              In my opinion and observation…..it became very obvious that this was her first murder trial. She was allowing just about anything to get “thrown against the wall’ and passing the buck to the jury to sort it out and “remember” what they remembered was the actual prior testimony.

            • appointments work ok, if the system, the process and the institutions, have a history of judicial independence and integrity

              as in many english common law jurisdictions, such as the uk, australia, canada, and new zealand, which don’t have such rabid political appointees to the bench

              whether or not arizona’s appeals courts have integrity time will tell
              the negate a very high ratio of such cases
              although i haven’t analysed them

              law has precedent and a long history
              accepting improper behavior is not ok, it’s never ok, even if that’s the way it’s done, in whatever jurisdiction

              even if some of your sources accept a new norm, it’s not the law, it’s not that abstract idea of justice
              http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lady_Justice
              The personification of justice balancing the scales of truth and fairness dates back to the Goddess Maat, and later Isis, of ancient Egypt.
              “If some god had been holding level the balance of Dike” is a surviving fragment of Bacchylides’s poetry.
              Lady Justice is most often depicted with a set of scales typically suspended from her right hand, upon which she measures the strengths of a case’s support and opposition. She is also often seen carrying a double-edged sword in her left hand, symbolizing the power of Reason and Justice, which may be wielded either for or against any party.

              and a wikipedia entry on Justice
              http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justice

              the constitution require fairness, due process, etc
              DURING a trial, not one that’s able to be corrected afterwards

              what you’re accepting is not the law de jure, but law de facto, ie one of improper legal standards

              such is not a trivial peripheral matter
              i listed the improper behavior of the prosecutor, which stephens overwhelmingly allowed

              both the prosecutor and the judge were at fault, but the judge is the more culpable because of her function of judicial independence and controlling the integrity of the process

              the list i made was not exhaustive, and needed more time for Much better drafting :(, but it was not trivial

              her misbehavior, and incompetence, corrupted the entire process to the core, , the trial of jodi arias

              the leeway you said she granted to both sides was NOT equivalent
              she granted the defense leeway when on direct
              BUT
              the defense did not abuse the process, MARTINEZ DID

              so massively as to be a qualitative difference

              whether or not an arizona’s appeals courts will sees it this way, which i believe they should time will tell
              it’s the way any court with integrity for fair trials etc should act

              it wasn’t a trivial matter, such as your comment about courtroom time management

              the above is not an opinion, it’s the law

              you may disagree, but you’re wrong
              respectfully 🙂

        • Why do u want people to go to the hater sites ? It’s very ugly and mean over there. I am so mad right now at that Tara juror saying old people voted for no death because they value life more because they are almost dead, how stupid is that and then j v m saying older people were shocked by the sex talk ! Please I am older and let me tell you we invented that stuff and what I could teach you! What Travis said though was not normal fun sex stuff he was sick and wrong at any freaking age

          • this makes me laugh. I am 69 years old….female, never married, and I was not “shocked” at all by the “sex talk”. I think older folks might look at it differently depending on how long they had remained single and dated before marrying and having a family. Most people think I “look” twenty years younger than my age…..but it is not just “looks”, but how one expresses themselves that makes people think they are younger than their real age.There is a lot of “street smarts” and “savvy” that older folks who have spent most of their lives raising children just never seem to acquire. One old friend contemplated that I “sounded younger” more than I “looked younger”. And I was born and raised in the inner city of New York……where one has a much more expanded view of the world than in other rural areas of the country, or even those in big cities like Phoenix. Had this case been tried in front of a New York jury…..I can almost say with certainty the outcome would have been a lot different.

    • I remember watching a news clip where the reporter had some guests(lawyers) and they all agreed it was a NECESSARY and BRILLIANT move on the Defense ‘s part to put Jodi on the stand,to humanize her in the eyes of the jurors they said,so that it would be hard for them to give her the DP.So,there you go.
      As to why she stayed on that stand for so long,I dont know.She told everything,absolutely everything-I think they tried to make the jury see that this was a woman with a normal,average life&experiences who went downhill after meeting him.When Martinez took over,he had everybody so confused Jodi had to asnwer 200+ questions.No wonder she was there for so long.

      • Maria, the only reason Jodi was on there so long was because of the little man trying to beat her down. Martinez was all over the place, he took 20 to 30 minutes about something that didn’t mean a damn just to humiliate Jodi. He got it right!

        • You do realize that Jodi was on the stand for 8 days on direct examination and 2 days on redirect, right? Or, did you forget that?

        • I’m awfully new here, but I don’t understand how Martinez was allowed to get away with badgering defense witnesses the way he did. I’m no attorney, but it sure looked like prosecutorial misconduct to me.

          The judge didn’t call him on it, not once. Something, a lot of things were very wrong with this trial.

          • RL, It was both prosecutorial and judicial misconduct—by the little imp and the harpy-judge on all counts

      • kn asked her every conceivably relevant question to close off all openings of attack by the prosecution

        kn’s legal practice deals with sexual crimes ie in taboo areas of life which normally are not discussed and he questioned her on all those matters
        jodi was exceptionally well prepared for both the defense questions and the prosecution attack

        http://maricopasexcrimes.com/

        jodi totally obliterated jm’s usual methods
        and replied brilliantly before he could cut her off
        or when he attempted to mischaracterize her answers again she corrected him and cleaned his clock

        she had magnificent instanteous recall

        she was far and away the best, most proficient, defense witness

        far and away the best of samuels and laviolette etc

        jm couldn’t and didn’t lay a glove on her [boxing term]

        jodi was absolutely brilliant under such pressure from the charges

        far smarter than the inappropriately administered iq test
        far smarter than that dumbass dr demented

    • But Duke, you’re missing a very important point. You’re right that it COULD have been explained. The problem was, it WAS NOT explained.

      • AA were you speaking about the petrol and kerosene cans? Not sure which point I’m missing. (PS, not trying to be a smart-ass—just confused as to what you’re referring to 🙂 )

        • Sorry, these comments get confusing. Yes, I was talking about that. It could and should have been explained, but it wasn’t.

  41. I remember you wondering aloud “Why the overkill?” I thought it was important for them to get to overkill being something that happens in DV situations.

    I like how you broke down what jury selection must have been like.

    Though, In the past I have been pro prosecution this case felt all wrong from the moment I read about it. My dealings with the Mormon church made me question the picture that was being force fed to the public by the media…..the point being I was thinking there HAD to be more people on the jury that smelled that something stunk in AZ…..

    • Honestly, the “overkill” factor made me think that the jury would go for M2 over manslaughter. I was fully expecting M2. Knowing what we know about the jury now, it doesn’t surprise me that they were taken in by the M1 bullshit.

      • Yah. Seems seven of them were just going to go with whatever Martinez said.

        But I do think they could have hung in the guilt phase if SOMEONE had made the throat slash believable in the context of self defense.

    • One of the juror’s questions to ALV alluded to that. It was something along the lines of “Is it possible for person in that position to stop once they get started.”

      BTW, I think there was a juror who was buying the defense’s case who ended up on the alternates, which sort of sucked. This was probably the juror who asked this “stopping question” and the dura mater question, and the “bear and tiger question” and many other such questions. Those questions were literally tearing down the state’s case and were never really addressed by the state. Yet they came to this asinine decision in the time they did. The only thing I can think of is that the person asking those questions never really made it onto the jury. Wonder if we’ll ever find out.

        • Okay, no, who was on the jury vs. who was an alternate was chosen randomly. We watched that with our own eyes.

          • I saw the clerk pull bits of paper out of what looked like a tupperware dish and call out numbers. I didn’t see anyone else look at the slips of paper or record the numbers.

            • That’s true, but I don’t think a clerk would have fudged that, do you? And how would the clerk know which juror was leaning which way?

              • The clerk? No.

                But in Maricopa County, IF she just called out the numbers she’d been told to call out, it’s not like she’d be the only one going along to get along, would it?

              • As to how they would know which juror asked what. Probably impossible where questions were excessive, but the judge always made a point of saying that the questions were being asked in the order they were submitted. Flores was just sitting there for most of the trial, could have just been ‘doodling’ as he noted jurors putting questions in the basket.

                • Every time they showed Flores on camera sitting there with his legal pad pretending to write, all I could think of was doofus.

                • I’ll bet it is absolutely killing Flores to have to go and work for a change.

                  On the other hand, he probably took a month’s vacation.

    • didn’t Nurmi mention the ‘overkill/abuse victims” thing in closing? But he never presented any witness to talk about this. To me….THAT was his biggest mistake. The “overkill” is what hung up just about everyone tuned into this case from the very beginning…..and it NEEDED TO BE EXPLAINED. Especially because Jodi could not remember what happened.

  42. The biggest issue in this trial was this:

    Martinez constantly and deliberately twisted the words of the defense witnesses cut them off, and misrepresented their testimony all in attempt to confuse the jury

    AND the judge allowed him to do this with a freehand while simply telling Willmott and Nurmi “you can correct on redirect”

    • stephens is either corrupt or incompetent

      it’s improper to correct such on re-direct as the improper testimony has already been put before the jury

      can’t unring a bell

      it must be dealt with immediately

      it’s inconceivable that stephens level of incompetence could be so high

      the transparent and obvious explanation was that she was a mormon plant a mormon crook, who’s job was to FIX the trial by allowing jm to present improper testimony to the jury
      THE FIX WAS IN
      stephens as a member of the arizona judiciary, was part of the scapegoating FIX of jodi, initiated and orchestrated by the regional mormon theocracy, in collusion with all relevant regional institutional players

    • Nk, and the witnesses became testy and answered anyway. Here’s one good example of the top of my head: Martinez is twisting Darryl’s words about whether or not Jodi told him she was going to Mesa. He paused, confused, and then answered yes.

      Rules of witness preparation: If you do not understand the question, do NOT answer. Never volunteer a lengthy answer when you can answer yes or no. Always say “I do not understand” if you don’t. Continue to respond politely and sweetly: “I am sorry, but I do not understand the question.” Seek the assistance of the judge if need be. If the lawyer objects that you are being non-responsive, look at the judge and explain that you do not understand the question. Force the judge to require the lawyer to clarify the question before you answer. Do NOT lose your temper. Do NOT get testy. Do NOT react. Simply restate that you do not understand the question over and over until the lawyer is forced to clarify, or forced by the judge to move on. Cry if you have to. Act visibly stressed. Ask the judge if you can have a few moments because you’re unable to continue. If you ask for assistance from the judge and the judge refuses, the lawyers on the side for which you’re testifying will jump in. If the judge still won’t grant you time, something is seriously wrong. But do whatever it takes to regain your composure.

      That happened occasionally during this trial, but not often enough. Why? Because the witnesses were not prepared to face off with someone like Martinez? Why not? Why were they not prepared?

      I’ve been involved in witness preparation where we’ve had the witnesses in tears or ready to tear our throats out. We had witnesses who said “I can’t do this.” We’ve let them feel that way. We’ve let them calm down. We’ve pointed out that they absolutely can NOT react that way. And we’ve started over and started over and started over until our witnesses could take anything thrown at them and NOT react.

      If they knew Martinez’s style prior to putting their witnesses on the stand, then why didn’t they prep their witnesses accordingly?

    • But that’s standard practice with lawyers who have weak cases. Obfuscate, put out innuendo, testify through questions, ask yes or no questions, cut witnesses off, don’t follow through, bully and badger the witness, confuse the issue and all that sort of underhanded crap.

      He was just being a shyster without a case.

      • Yep and it seems more and more prosecutors are becoming that way too. It’s sickening.

  43. SJ, I think you should be making money off this site! With the amount of traffic you get you could easily have some ads showing in order to generate a small income from this site. As it stands now, I think you are actually investing money? It’s absurd to accuse you of making money when you don’t have ads on the site.

    You people who’ve been monitoring comments and administrating this site deserve some compensation. It’s gotta be a really hard job. Throw up some ads or links to amazon books (like ALVs) and start making some money, I say. Anyone who criticizes you can go suck it.

    • I know !! Totally rediculous to suggest SJ of any wrong doing here. The site is paid for by SJ.

      And agree that if he wants Ads to cover costs that would be fine!

  44. I was one of those who supported “Occupy HLN” until yesterday. I also received an invitation from a “friend” on Facebook to “like” this page called “Inconvenient Truths”. After viewing it, I noticed that they were mocking Jodi and very soon thereafter I deleted this person from my friends’ list on Facebook.

    I don’t know about you all, but I personally feel betrayed by “Occupy HLN”. Jodi even tweeted their website’s URL over the weekend. From my few conversations with SJ on here, I know that SJ is a decent person and all of the admins here do honorable work to help others. I’m proud to support you all and be a part of the team here.

  45. I truly believed they would come back with manslaughter or M2 also. I agree with AA especially re: Horn on the stand and why the defense did not pounce on him about the “typo”. You know jm would have been going nuts on Horn if it would have been beneficial to pros. This alone should have been enough for reasonable doubt. They should have had a ME testify- I’ve never seen a trial where the defense did not have this critical witness in a case like this.

    • I am of the belief that jury was just like the O.J. Simpson criminal trial jury: Their minds were made up long before the trial began. Nothing the defense would have done would have changed the outcome, especially when that jury wasn’t sequestered.

      • Heck the one juror said her mind was made up after JM’s opening, so there – she basically made your point tonysam.

        • Exactly, Al.

          This was the worst jury decision on a major trial since O.J. Well, maybe since Robert Blake.

        • Al, she was an alternate so she was not involved in deliberations. That may not have changed her mind, but it sometimes does.

          • I know, I’m just commenting on her comment. How do we know she didn’t have other likeminded bretheren on the jury?

            • We don’t. And of course, none of these reporters are asking — at least, not in the edited interviews we’re seeing anyway.

              • No they’re treating these guys like members of a Super Bowl team or something. No one’s asking them to talk about the evidence or the facts – which is their sole role in the trial.

      • “Their minds were made up long before the trial began”. Never were there truer words spoken tonysam. You hit the nail on the head, as they say.

  46. I would like to have that print, but it will be sold out before I can get the money together to order it.

    • I would like the print too.. but will get a Tshirt..this old pension plan I live on won;t stretch that far!

      But I plan on putting aside $20 a month for Jodis Appeal!

  47. Hi SJ,

    Welcome back! I just wondered if I could send Jodi postcards that I bought at the USPS that have the postage already on them–not a stamp that is stuck on, but an image of a stamp in the fabric of the card. Don’t know if that makes sense. Any clarification you can provide will be appreciated.

    Thanks!

      • I miss the good ole days when you could just bake a chocolate cake with a hacksaw in it.
        Been on a little vacation for a few days. I’ve been reading here daily. Wow! There has been so much I wanted to comment on but someone beats me to it. Love the “Cat’s Eye”.

  48. I posted a pic of me wearing my Survivor shirt on twitter & the hate keeps pouring in. LOL Haters have nothing better to do. It’s sad, really. Instead of worrying about where my money is going, maybe they should worry about their own. All that money donated to the Alexander family is going toward maids and meth. LOL Who’s the sucker now? Idiots. I knew I would get a ton of hate by posting it, but I’m just not the kind of person to back down or hide out of fear. The Travis Taliban wants to intimidate us and scare us into submission, but that kind of shit doesn’t work on me. I can only laugh at their idiocy.

    • Britney good for you! It just confirms what type of people they are. If they really want to follow their master saint travis, then they have it all wrong. Oh maybe he was the saint of hate. Who knows, time will tell.

    • Good for you Britney you got a great big set of brass ones. I am like you I don’t intimidate easily I have not been afraid of anything or anybody in my adult life…..well once that was 11 sep 01 but that didn’t last long I got really pissed off after a couple of hours.

      Ray in Harrisonburg Va.

  49. Alternate juror, Carol Gosselink is on JVM. She says she and Jodi had a “stare down” during a side bar and after court that day another juror said to her “what was that about”?
    Thought they weren’t allowed to talk about what happened in court until deliberations???…

    And I call bull shit on her stare down story!!!

    • I thought the same thing about them talking about what happened until deliberations!

    • Interesting because that is NOT allowed. She was an alternate, but did she mention which juror she talked to? Was it one of the final jurors?

        • I wish reporters actually cared these days and asked these types of questions!

          • I agree! To me that would have been the obvious follow-up question but it IS JVM asking the questions. She’s a complete dumb ass!

  50. I heard somewhere that in the next penalty retrial that Jodi will have to testify again. Is this true? Who else will testify? I don’t understand how this is going to happen again “briefly” for a new jury.

    • I think it is all speculation at this point. It’s unconstitutional for a second jury to be sworn in to sentence her and not hear the entire trial! It is Shitzona though and they don’t give a shit about the constitution or a fair trial!

      • Well, it hasn’t been declared unconstitutional YET, SET, but I think this could go all the way to SCOTUS at some point.

        • You’re right, AA! I knew that too, just forgot to put IMO. 😉 I hope some serious changes happen in AZ as a result of this farce of a trial! I won’t hold my breath though!

          • I think it’s coming SET. As far as I know, AZ is the ONLY state that does this second jury thing.

            I’ve seen some argument that if the jury is hung in the guilt phase, they declare a mistrial and have a do-over with a new trial, so why not in this phase? But it’s not quite the same thing to me. How can a second jury get a synopsis of everything that occurred during the trial, be instructed that the defendant is guilty of premeditated first degree murder AND extreme cruelty and decide on whether she gets life or death? What if, after they hear the synopsis of the evidence, they fundamentally disagree that she’s guilty of the charge?

            I can’t wrap my head around this.

              • Is it Stephen Douglas Reeves, Al? If so, looking at the AZ SC docket, it seems only the initial brief has been filed in that one. Tons of extensions so that could be a while!!!

              • Ok, the judge offered counseling to the the jury after having to watch that video?! Sounded pretty grotesque from the article. This was a guy that was robbing a 20 year old girl he didn’t know, and brutally, I mean BRUTALLY murdering her. Yet Jodi, a woman, who “murders” her lover, is a sick sick monster that humanity has never seen the likes of. Welp, glad I’m a man….(Sarcasm strictly stressed!).

            • First of all I hope that a comment I try to make on this site finally goes through. I’ll be the first to tell you that I truly believe Jodi is innocent, and the second story is the true story. That being said, how can they bring in a different group of peers, and expect them to have the same opinion as the previous jury, then hand out the death penalty?

              It would seem as if this would not only be unconstitutional, but totally against human nature. We all see things differently, so how can the courts postulate that they can bring in another set of people to judge on a verdict that another group of people found just? I may have seen the evidence differently from the last person that sat in my seat, but I’m supposed to just blindly agree with this? Justice is blind indeed.

              That’s not to mention the fact that they have to find unbiased jurors to rule on whether or not she could get the death penalty? Good luck with that. Sounds rather archaic to me. God, don’t ever let me find my way to Arizona!

    • No one seems to know exactly how this will be done yet, Vicky. I think almost ALL the witnesses will have to testify again, including the experts, because mitigation factors (for both sides) were presented during the guilt phase. But they can’t force the experts to testify again, and I seriously doubt that ALV will want to. So, they may have to find different experts.

      This is really a mess.

      • Further to what this second jury does from Arizona v Snelling (Arizona Supreme Court No. CR-08-0164-AP)

        A.R.S. § 13-752(K) (2010) (“The new jury
        shall not retry the issue of the defendant’s guilt or the issue
        regarding any of the aggravating circumstances that the first
        jury found by unanimous verdict to be proved or not proved.”).

        That’s another one of those second jury for penalty phase cases. Looks like AZ has a little cottage industry going on there.

        • For the witnesses that wont go through it again they may just read the transcripts out loud.

  51. Oh My! this poor lady in Florida that shot her boyfriend or he shot himself, we don’t know. Nancy Disgrace is all over her. This got to stop!

  52. Later folks…. I am not going to sit here and beat a dead horse to death about what the defense should have/could have.

    Water over the fucking damn, folks, and it is time to move forward and look ahead.

    I cannot stick around here and watch comments about how Jodi is weird, and the defense sucks, and anyone who doesn’t agree with that is wrong.

    I am not going to read any paragraph that begins with “what you need to understand…”

    Because I will understand what I want, and no one else is going to tell what that is. Calling Jodi sarcastic and mouthy towards Juan does NOTHING for our cause NOW.

    So……………. I will check in another time.

    • I do think bashing the defense is inappropriate. Be realistic, it was not the defense that lost the case. As I said before, God could have tried the case and the result would have been the same. We are all diasappointed. Blame the close minded jury. Jodi needs support, and bashing the defense is not supportive. Many believe that lawyers can penetrate ignorance and hard hearts. That is not true. have to agree with Renee.

    • So those of us who want to vent about what we feel the defense missed are wrong and that’s not allowed here? Because it’s not helping Jodi … But it’s okay for people to vent about the Alexanders, CASH, say the judge was biased, bash the jury, etc., and somehow, that *is* going to help Jodi? Apparently, it’s also okay for you to vent about those of us who feel the defense missed things because that’s going to help Jodi and even call me snarky because I expressed my opinion. But it’s not okay for me to express my opinion or have one if it differs from yours, apparently. How does that help Jodi?

      It’s all water over the dam, yes, but some people are still upset about one of the above, and need to get it out of their systems.

      I’ve never called Jodi weird, but I see posts here every day from people (regulars who are well-respected) saying that they think she is, or that she has a mental defect. I generally respond telling those people that I’m glad they’ve never met me in person because they’d think I was beyond weird.

      No one here ever told you that you have to understand anything you don’t want to. No one ever told me that either. And I’ve never started a paragraph with “what you need to understand …” Understand whatever you want. Read whatever you want. Disregard whatever you want. No one is forcing you to do anything.

      • AA,

        You’re a big supporter of Jodi’s innocence.

        SJ asked last week that we not repeat here what the Taliban was saying elsewhere. Discussing your opinion about Jodi’s innocence is perfectly fine.

        • Thanks Willie. I don’t post what the Taliban is saying — at least I don’t think I do.

      • I think it is okay to vent about the defense. I am not an attorney, so I do not know what you know. I think that some may believe that a different defense may have produced a different outcome. Maybe so. I am not convinced after listening to several of the jurors. I think Mr Martinez was beyond the pale, and I believe a number of jurors were so struck by his Wild West behavior that they did not believe polite attorney’s were entertaining enough for them. One thing I know is that many people want to be entertained and motivated. The same people who liked Martinez, liked Travis. THey are both grandiose, narcissistic, and manipulators. I would not be at all surprised to learn that Martinez interacted the same way Travis did with women.

        • Yep an would not be surprised JM had his own PHOTO looking
          at him on his night stand just like Travis did ! I don’t care but I
          think that is WEIRD !

          In the crime scene photos I noticed on one shot the picture is laid
          down the next it is sitting up. I blew it up as big as I could an it
          sure looked like Travis alone in the photo.

          Jose Baez would have shook up that court room !

      • The Alexanders, CASH, and the jurors doing interviews are still being assholes in real time. So they’re fair game IMO. When they shut up and stop riding the famewhore train, then we can stop talking about them.

        As for the judge, Kermit, and the defense, we’ll have to see if they remain relevant this summer. I hope that they don’t go ahead with the second jury because I don’t think they’ll find an unbiased one. My focus right now is hoping that the DP leaves the table entirely.

    • You are EXACTLY right Renee. Jodi needs help, not after the fact commentary. A car wreck is a car wreck. Got it. Don’t waste time telling the driver what they should have done. Get them to the damn hospital. What can we do to help is what I’ve been asking my self every since the verdict was announced. I want to be a part of real help. Not just chit-chat.

      • I agree.Us getting into arguments that lead nowhere wont help Jodi.Coz we gotta realize we are here for her and her only.The defense team did their job.Who’s to say that it could be done better or worse?We are not lawyers or at least most of us arent.And those who are legal experts or laywers(paralegals is the term,idk the exact term sorry) can enlighten us and indeed they have done so repeatedly.I for one am thankful because otherwise I wouldnt be able to follow a big part of the trial.
        Yet,now we cannot undo what’s been done.
        Please,as Edward said let’s just focus on what we can do to finally get justice for Jodi.

  53. Now people are also angry with juror #16 for saying that nobody should be angry with jurors for voting on their conscious. “Mitigating circumstances are very personal. It’s not something that has to be proven by the defendant. It’s something you feel based on your past, your conscience, your thought process and your heart that could warrant leniency and mercy.” Exactly. To show compassion and warrant mercy to another individual, no matter they did, is a great action. People are commenting saying that if jurors feel that way then they shouldn’t have taken a death penalty case in the first place. These people are just despicable!

    • OMG are you serious? This is waaaay out of control.

      I’m seeing so many haters criticize the foreman and even claim that he must have lied on his questionnaire and during voir dire when he said he could sentence a defendant to execution if he felt it was warranted. Then people are saying he didn’t do his job as foreman by forcing further deliberation. And he should have sent another juror question instead of a verdict form but he did so to further his own goals. He’s getting death threats. This is INSANITY!

      • They better not go so far as to hurt a juror! HLN should be held resposible for all the hate they are stirring up!! Facists!!

        • Sometimes, it really feels like HLN is out to destroy our judicial system. Maybe that’s an over-reaction on my part. But they’re going waaaay too far. Freedom of the press is wonderful. But they’re inciting a mob.

          • People defending HLN keep bringing up the first amendment. While that’s true, what happens when the first amendment steps on the sixth amendment? I believe that has happened in this case, mainly because the idiot judge chose not to sequester the jury. I know it has been said a million times already, but I’m still pissed off at that judge.

            • People defend HLN? Wow! I’ve even seen haters say they hate them. Now that’s telling, isn’t it?

              I don’t see many people on either side of the fence who think highly of the judge either. I just don’t think she made the sequestration decision on her own steam. I could be wrong about that …

              As for why she didn’t sequester for deliberations though .. that’s definitely on her.

              • AA,

                AZ hasn’t ever sequestered a jury. There are pro’s and con’s to sequestration.

                But these jurors talking to people about the case before they where dismissed is troubling.

                • Well they have sequestered juries for trials, Willie, just not in about 20 years. I totally agree there are pros and cons to sequestration. I need to check again, but I think they have sequestered deliberations more recently than that.

              • But really what good does it do to sequester them only for deliberations? All through the guilt faze they were running home and watching hln…..fucking liars…..

      • PYes it is insanity. Hard to believe. no juror should be tjhreatened. Does not matter what their position is, we can disagree, Stomp our feet, but not threaten.

    • And that is exactly what mitigation is all about. You look at everything about the person, and determine whether you individually feel they deserve to live. Remember, mitigation is the one area in which there has to be no unanimity and the just instructs them again and again, that you don’t need that. This juror nailed it just right, but those who want to see her put to death will never agree.

    • I hear you Britney. I keep asking WTF is wrong with these people, like I am ever going to get an answer.

      The haters don’t seem to understand that just because someone is ok with the death penalty does not mean that they are going to vote for it when the time comes. A person can believe the DP is applicable to certain cases but not all.

      In fact that’s what the law requires. The DP was not meant to be thrown at every convicted murderer, but only in cases that are ESPECIALLY CRUEL, like that poor Petit family where the father witnessed his daughters being raped then burned alive after the fact. Stuff like THAT is where the death penalty is supposed to be applied. Not in each and every homicide that occurs.

    • Mary, I am so sorry about that. I seriously think that someone on Facebook is reporting me and other users who support Jodi Arias. I’ve noticed that every time I’ve posted links to my blog or websites that tell the truth about Jodi that I am immediately logged off and have to log back on again. They keep putting a temporary block on my account for 30 days which basically does not let me do anything.

      I’m probably going to leave Facebook now, but I do have a Twitter account.

  55. Here is the reply I got from Sandra on Twitter:
    So why say anything at all?

    Joe @Joe_Yinzer 28 May
    @InconvenientTr1 What makes you think ANY of the money collected on JAII for Jodi goes to Simon? Do you know something I don’t?
    InconvenientTruthsTV
    @InconvenientTr1
    @Joe_Yinzer I have no firsthand knowledge of Simon. I suppose I was making an underhanded joke. Feeding the haters a bit! Simon’s fine w/me

    • Joe,

      I believe InconvenientTr1 when she says she was just making a joke. She has fought long and hard for Jodi. Check her history of tweets or her Facebook page. She’s a passionate supporter of Jodi. I expect Simon may even know her – or of her.

    • David,

      Seems like a plan they hatched-up. Maybe they should ask the taxpayers if they want to spend another 1 million dollars to redo the penalty phase?

      ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

  57. Here’s my dumb question of the day: you guys aren’t going back to a previous day to respond to comments, are you? Cause once a new page comes up, I figure everybody’s posting on current day.

    Did anybody ever find Singles Ward Rebecca’s comment she claims she posted months before about witnessing TA’s abusive behavior to JA at a function?

    • I didn’t look, but I think Hail Mary said it was on the Flores report page.

      • Just found out that two Rebecca’s were here or we are being snowed buy a hater or Rebecca64 said that was not her on the Flores report detail page

        • I am becoming weary with the paranoia and speculation about two Rebecca’s on this site. I noticed a couple days ago that there was another Rebecca who had posted. Her post was concerning to some, and the question came up as to whether there were two Rebecca’s. I responded that there had to because I had never been to a ward function, or whatever it was. I then said i would change my name to Rebecca 64, which I did immediately. I personally have seen no posts from the other Rebecca, whoever she is since, although it is possible that I have missed them. I am sure this mystery person is enjoying this far more than I am, because I am not enjoying it at all.

          • Rebecca64, I can only speak for myself when I say that the issue of 2 Rebecca’s was resolved when you changed your name to R-64. I’ve learned from your posts that you are 64 and a psychiatrist, so I know who you are. My only interest in the other Rebecca, who I refer to as Singles Ward Rebecca, is in finding her earlier post she claimed she made. Since I’ve been coming here, I’ve noticed that people who used to post have dropped away. Some have returned, some haven’t. In the last day a long-time poster decided to take a break. Hopefully, she will return. I’d be sorry if this paranoia and speculation caused you to no longer come here because I look forward to your posts. I find them thoughtful and intelligent.

            • Thanks, but I am not certain it has been resolved. Currently when I try to post it goes to moderation, and so far two posts have not appeared. . Will see what happens. regardless I will support Jodi forever. I am trying to think of ways to help her .

            • Thanks, but I am not certain it has been resolved. Currently when I try to post it goes to moderation, and so far two posts have not appeared. . Will see what happens. regardless I will support Jodi forever. I am trying to think of ways to help her .Right now this is not posting, will see if it ever does, if not I will continue to think of you Jodi and pray for you.

          • I’m no techie, and intend to put no pressure on the site administrator, SJ, but I wonder if preventing duplicate user names wouldn’t go a long way …

  58. Well, mister whoever said that sj was profiting from this site, i have something to say to you.

    I have NO DOUBT that this is an HONEST WEB SITE. And furthermore, why would ANYONE IN HIS RIGHT MIND take on an extremely unpopular subject for money with all the abuse flying around?

    Oh every time I let you slap me upside the head, i get a shiney new penny??? ~rolling my eyes~

    no sir, this is an honest site with respectability except they sometimes have potty mouths. 🙂 buttttt, potty mouth or no, they have good hearts trying to right wrongs. That generally invites persecution not prosperity ya nitwit.

  59. My sister in law is trying to get me to join prepaid legal or legal shield. I am not sure I can do it after who is associated with it from this case

      • that is exactly what I am thinking. I have a situation with a child and can’t afford an attorney.

        • U might just talk to some less experienced lawyers around town. They will prolly see you for free and then might take you pro bono or suggest someone that will…or they might take monthly payments…dont give up!!!

        • Annie, I was curious about PPL/Legal Shield when I first started paying attention to this trial. I Googled them and found a lot of bad reviews. Stuff like when you want to quit they keep taking money out of your account, how you can never get an attorney to do much for you, and the attorneys they tell you are contracted with them no longer work with PPL, cause they only signed on to get business initially, then drop out once they’ve got their business going.

    • It’s a Ponzi scheme. For 20 bucks a months they’ll refer an attorney. Heck you can get a reference with two phone calls.

      Don’t do it.

    • My SIL does it but it eats her time with her children away. You really have to dovote your life to it in order to make money.

      • Oh I don’t want to make money at it. I also told her I thought it was a scam.

  60. Good evening all.
    Just stopping in to see whats new and to say hello.
    I’ve been sicker then hell – havent been sick in a long time – so its possible that I’m being a bit of baby. 🙂

    I love the “Cats Eye” painting, its absolutely beautiful.
    I, like many others on here, am a huge cat lover (quite possibly half cat).
    Thanks for sharing SJ.
    I just cant get over how compassionate Jodi is, donating funds to many different causes.
    And a no kill shelter – that makes me so happy.
    So, thank you Jodi, for your kindess.

    Hope everyone is doing well.
    I will keep checking in.
    Very busy week at work for me and am totally drained by the time I get home because of my summer cold thing.

    I’ll be better soon.
    And sassier than ever I’m sure.

    Miss you all.

      • Thanks Janeen.
        Wish I could stay home and surf on here all day while snuggling with my babies (cats).
        But my damn work just doesnt get done when I’m not there. 🙁

        Hope you and your kitties are doing well!

        • Yes work/life needs to get the hell out of our way!!!! 🙂

          I wish I could stay home snuggling with my fur balls too!!!!

          We are all hanging in there – you get better and hurry back!!! 🙂

          • You are so sweet Janeen.
            I’ll stay updated and at least drop in to give you all a hard time.
            I’ll be back in ful force soon enough – be ready! 😀

    • Sooo you gave me this summer cold M !! Lolol me tooooo. And i am a big baby 🙂 feel better real soon:)

      • HAHAHA Holly.
        I am so sorry! 😀

        Its the worst isnt it, summer colds?

        I hope you feel better soon too.
        Let me know if you find a quick cure!

        • Death! Lolololol. I’m thinkin of sid in ice age….”i choose LIFE!” lololol

    • Feel better M!!
      We miss you!!

      (I never forget your old comment to me,wayyy back when I used to refer to Martinez as M. just because I was bored to write his full name and you went like ”That’s my name,I dont like it to be associated with Martinez”or sth to that effect LOLOLOLOL!!
      (((((((((((M))))))))))))))

  61. please some who has jennifer willmott email her she needs to tell to wach after dark now juror 10 is talking it will help with the case they are saying things about jodi i belive it will help them so much with the case

    • Juror #6 wanted to reach out and hug TZ’s family? That’s just too damn much!!

      • Lynae,
        With the looks from the Alexander family?
        She must not have all of her marbles.

    • Shannon, I bet that someone on that team is already watching all of HLN coverage.

    • I’m getting really sick of these juror famewhores. # 18 is the only one who kept it classy – the others are being so unprofessional.

  62. I have three cats. A momma and two daughters …they were ferel cats…these dumb college kids in auburn get them and dont take care of them and then leave for the summer and the cats roam around town with nothin and nobody. So we had this family of three fixed and brought them out to the country…Rascal is the mama and P.B. and Jay are the daughters. Molly is our dog. She came from the humane society and right now she is pestering a frog on the front porch. DROP IT MOLLY, frogs are people too!!!

    Aaah the zoo.

    • LOL LOL

      I have 8 cats (I had 9 but lost one last week)..that live with me. I take care of 15 feral ones. I certainly know what it is to have a zoo!

      Kudos to you for being an animal lover!!!! ((((((((((((((((hugs)))))))))))))))))))

      • Awwww sorry you lost one of your kittykats!!! Oh i cant even think of that!!!

        • She got sick VERY quickly…it SUCKS having to drive them to the vet knowing they aren’t coming home…and making that decision SUCKS….

          TY Holly!!!

      • And ((((((((((hugs)))))))))) for bein such a good cat mommy :)))) dont worry, i dont think my cold is catching anymore hehe

      • I’m a HUGE cat lover!!! <3 <3 <3 I have two cats. I would have more if I was allowed and if I could afford them. My oldest cat, Chloe, is a 12 year old (almost 13) Himalayan. My youngest, Cameron, who is practically attached at the hip, is a 3 year old Siamese. I definitely want another Siamese someday. They are very sweet cats. They require a lot of attention though, but that's okay because I spoil him. 😛

      • I am so very sorry for your loss. As a cat lover and mother of three beautiful babie kitties, I can relate so much to you. I recently lost all three of my kitties one right after the other to kidney failure and old age. All three of my cats lived to be very old. I raised them from the age of 6 weeks old and they all three lived to be 20 years old, and for pure bred Persians that is a very long time. I have been so devastated from the loss of my three precious babies, so I know just how you must be feeling. I again am truly sorry for your loss. Love you, Jessie xoxoxo meow

  63. just watched dr dumbass. Juror 6 and 17 were spewing their stupidity all over. 17 bragging about staring Jodi down…..this is just disgusting. Its very obvious they watched clips….6 said she didnt see any clip except one over the weekend…then she said she saw the interrogation clips with Jodis parents…such fucking liars!

    • and did you hear say that since they had convicted her that it both her that she showed the shirt. she couldn’t understand why she would do that. well dumbass juror, did you ever think she was telling you the truth??????????????????????? duh!

      • Boy those jurors have the mighty big head to think just cuz they said M1 that made it so!!! Like when God Himself said let there be light and there was light. Ughhh disgusting jurors.

        • I refuse to take any juror who goes on HLN seriously. Especially because they have the HLN talking points down and were probably watching the whole time.

          • ICAM about the HLN talking points. Juror #6 had them down pat. As soon as I heard her say “she never said she was sorry” I was like yup that’s straight out of the HLN Handbook. Then that smart ass Juror #17 Little Miss Twitter. So proud of her snotty questions, I guess we now know who asked that “skank” question when Jodi was on the stand and then bragging about her stare downs with Jodi. Also she said on Twitter that she knew she was guilty right after opening statements. OMG this who trial was such a farce. You cannot have a judicial system when a juror has already made a decision the defendant is guilty right after opening statements when not one stitch of evidence has been throughly presented yet.

            The other thing that made me sick was the never ending round of apolgies toward the Alexander family I don’t think they get that the are not there to be advocates for the family or that toad JM.

      • Show the shirt??
        YEP, they watched. How often, we don’t know. But, they were asked under oath, so
        someone was lying and it wasn’t Jodi.

        • ”someone was lying and it wasn’t Jodi.”
          That’s right girl!
          I’d add ”Someone’s STILL lying and it aint Jodi”

    • I can’t even turn on HLN anymore I was forced to get my updates from
      there an CNN an others for a long time due too my puter broke down
      when that drunk juror got pulled over an kicked off. I was going insane
      I have a old time phone so no updates that were fair.

      I can see why my sister believes all that crap she is in Arizona an only
      watches her regular news an maybe a little HLN but I could not get her
      to see anything other than what the News was saying so people that did
      not go an investigate some on their own on Travis’s social pages an his
      families did not ever see anything but a Good upstanding Mormon/LDS
      Inspirational speaker bla bla bla……..all BULL CRAP. If people would just
      go look for themselves an not listen to that BULL on TV they could
      maybe see something more than what was presented. But the normal
      every day worker does not have time I guess. An even my sister would
      not take my word for it. Makes me mad still right now.

  64. I really want to be able to vent on the page….how do I get the password?

  65. Those jurors were corrupt! No good. If you get in trouble with the law can you ask the judge to decide without a jury at all?

    • Yes you can have a “bench trial” which will be decided only by the judge…..

      • Thank goodness! And besides…at least the judge knows the diff between evidence and speculation…and they also know dirty sneakin lawyer ways cuz they were one 🙂

        • You aren’t anywhere near SHITZONA are you???!?!?!?!?!?! Beware of having to be ‘judged” by the benchwarmer if you are…LOL LOL LOL

        • I think I’d still take my chances that 1 out of 12 would have a head on his/her shoulders as opposed to the one Picklehead in a black robe.

  66. Facebook is making a change “Facebook is changing its policy on “humorous” posts and images that make light of rape and violence against women, following pressure from activists and advertisers.”

  67. I have to say that nurmi and wilmott were the classiest lawyers i have ever seen. Maybe too classy. Sad to say that in this world we have now the one that plays the dirtiest wins. You hear that you corrupt lazy jurors!! Your itching ears wanted to hear lies and filth and you applauded the show martinez put on for ya. Well take that to your graves! Your hearts were so ugly you couldnt even recognize decency standing right in front of you. Hmph…i dont need no steenkin vent page. The truth is the truth. I hope it hurts.

    • I agree Holly. I do not know where this quote is from but it fits …………Great Spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.

  68. Hi… been in the mountains for the last week; no tv, no computer etc.,…trying to catch up on your postings. I haven’t seen all of the jury folks interviews; has anyone said what the third question was that the jury asked? The one that wasn’t read out loud? Al or AA do you know if we will ever know?
    Thanks…

    • Wow! Welcome back to corruption of the human soul….i mean real life lol…i wish i could answer your question but i dont watch HLN on the grounds they deserve to be shot and my t.v. Is innocent!!!

    • Four Juror’s talked and not one of them talked about the evidence just about the DP and now one tonight said the ones that wanted life were older hint hint that should not have been told to the world they even talked about there safety but still said what they said about the ones that held out they may not have given names but they described them now that is sick. I have them all recorded and talking about Jodi’s mom and dad’s interview that was a low blow too

      • Thanks Holly and Hail Mary… too bad they outed the other jury members; not really fair…people should be allowed to make comments on their own; if they want to talk about it at all! I’ll wait and see what I can pick up on other news sites online…. Take care, stay safe!

  69. http://arbeyconlon.wordpress.com/kreepy/comment-page-1/#comment-12

    WOW this was a great blog to read not sure who it is even I just came
    by it by accident but I like how they think an explain things. Really puts
    what the hell was wrong with Travis into prospective. An his family too.

    I wish I had millions of dollars I would get Jodi out of there some how
    she does not deserve this an it makes me sad every day she is in there.

    Self Defense does not = murder one or Death she deserves to go home
    get away from the haters. The fakes the liars those that bare false witness
    those that threaten witnesses or her family. I keeping praying for something
    good to happen. Hope Faith an Love for Jodi Arias from Alabama♥

      • Oh no well I still love ya lol ROLL TIDE ROLL BABY you know I am up above
        Tuscaloosa so you are on the other side of the state. 🙂 always nice to met another
        Alabamian !!

    • Thanks for the link to that article….now I can put a name to the odd, weird, unusual appearance of all the alexander brood. Fetal alcohol syndrome!!!!!

    • I just bookmarked,skimmed through it,will read it thoroughly tomorrow(too late to do taht now)
      I’m so happy there are other people out there who saw the NARCISSIST behind TA’s facade!

  70. Hey everybody. I just created a new forum for Jodi Arias supporters called “Justice For Jodi”. It has message boards and I’d like to invite you all for some great conversations there. Haters will NOT be tolerated. Here is the link: http://justiceforjodi.freeforums.net/

    • I am quite content to stay here at SJ’s site.

      I am one of the resident conspiracy theorists and I apologize but I do not trust other sites, especially by new people.

      We have had WAY too many viruses and computers lost by people on this site.

      • I am happy to post here, too, and I’m not going anywhere. I just created this site as another outlet for Jodi supporters since the FB group is now defunct.

        • It isn’t defuct…if you look at the “Recommended Sites” link above, you will find the valid FB page.

  71. i haven’t seen much at all of the jurors talking. but did catch the very end of hln aftr dark, and 1 was on.
    she said jodi’s testimony really didn’t change the jurors mind re:jodi. she said a couple times that jodi “is not a warm person”.
    what a maroon! it’s hard to be “warm” when being tried for murder, or most court proceedings.

    i just don’t get that some jurors can b so superficial.
    someone being “warm” (or not) is only their opinion and shouldn’t be a factor.
    it’s like she wasn’t paying close attention to the case…

    • Not warm!? What did she want Jodi to do, come over and give her a hug. Utter BS!!

  72. From what I can gather from the clips I have seen of the jurors who have come out and talked today about the trial is exactly what we all suspected. They were completely anti Jodi and biased and I can tell by the answers they gave to certain questions that they did indeed watch HLN. I could tell that the women were the ones that wanted Jodi dead. As a young lady, I was really disgusted that the women on the jury did not have ANY compassion for Jodi. My mom and I were really shocked. We thought that as women perhaps they would have some compassion for Jodi since most women at some point in their lives have been abused by a man. How wrong I was. It turns out from what I have seen that it was the older MEN on the jury that wanted to give Jodi life and not death. I am not a jealous girl and my mother is certainly not either, we are girls girls and are not haters of other women just because they happen to be young and beautiful. Well my mom is gorgeous so I guess like must speak to like, and I see a lot of myself in Jodi and I can really relate to her. Those women on the jury were just angry, jealous, bitter women, at least that is the way they came across to me!

  73. Rebecca says:
    March 15, 2013 at 10:18 pm

    Rebecca64 is this you located on Flores report detailed breakdown or someone else

      • Then the other Rebecca that posted here about seeing the abuse has not posted anymore she is probable just sitting and looking at what is being said here good you changed you handle to rebecca64 and its good your not in Arizona glad i’m not either. in TX born in New Orleans

        • I didn’t think we’d hear from Singles Ward Rebecca after her brief post about knowing Travis and his behavior toward Jodi. Rebecca lobbed a small smoke bomb into this forum, then retreated. Her story could have made up or it could be genuine. At any rate, it’s too late now for this trial, and if she is genuine, I wonder what her point was to come to this site and post.

          • There never was a point in these people claiming they knew TA or Jodi and ”knew” stuff.
            To hell with them! IF and I repeat IF they knew sth then why shut up?Why,when a young woman’s life was/is on the line?And what purpose does it serve to come here and make us all even sadder and angrier by knowing there could have been people to help her but didnt!

  74. I somehow stumbled upon the video of jurors #6 and #17 on Dr. Drew tonight. I wish I wouldn’t have. Tara Kelley is such a self righteous bitch, I can’t stand it. I normally don’t talk that way about people at all because I don’t believe in spreading hate, but she is just too ridiculous. I do find it hilarious that Dr. Drew asked her how to pronounce her name (Tare-uh), yet through the rest of the video he pronounces it Tarr-uh).

    • I watched the clips on HLN and I’m sick to my stomach. Tara is worse than she appeared on Twitter even. I really try hard not to say anything about jurors. But some of her comments were just completely off the wall.

  75. As a Jewish person I am totally disgusted with #6 Diane Schwartz and her judgemental rantings-I hate the “C” word, but it is reserved for her.

    • Maybe she’s German, David. Jews aren’t typically this pro-prosecution and death penalty. (Half-Jewish girl, here.)

    • My first thought upon learning Juror No. 6’s name was that she was Jewish. Knowing that most Jews tend to be liberal in their views, my heart sank because I thought everyone in AZ must be hard-nosed and for death. Makes me think this next jury is going to come back quickly with DP. Maybe, it’s as AA said, she could be half German, or maybe it’s her married name. Maybe, she’s a Mormon. But it doesn’t matter what she is, it was her lack of compassion as a human being that is sickening.

  76. They’re both famewhores. Tara hasn’t shut her damn mouth since the admonition was lifted.

    • She and the others got their faces on tv and their voices heard as soon as they could so they could tell the haters out there, “See, I voted for death so you can’t hate me, I’m one of the good guys.” Fucking cowards. They’re just trash. They have zero integrity and zero credibility as far I’m concerned.

    • Doesn’t it seem odd that because there was a” verdict” to not have another trial?

      All of the jurors that are going to be speaking on these shows,make it even more
      unlikely to get a fair trial for Jodi, even if sequesterd.

      Anyone you talk to KNOWS about this case and has an opinion.
      Is This fair?
      I hope that they find it isn’t.

      • I’m glad they are talking…..KEEP talking. They are just making it even harder to find an untainted jury pool and HOPEFULLY they make an admission about their own misconduct. Thanks everyone for posting a little about their appearances today……I can’t watch HLN one more minute! I am sooooo tired of them beating a dead horse!! To dislike Jodi so much they absolutely LOVE talking about her!!

      • Not only that, you think the new jury are not going to balance things out. If they don’t give her the DP, they will suffer the hate from many, and they will get life threats, but if they giver DP, they will enjoy some fame and the majority of people will like them, inluding the Governor of Arizona. So, which one you think they’ll prefer?

        • I really don’t think it’s going to get that far….I think they are going to wait for things to cool down to say they want to select a jury. In the meantime, they are going to offer Jodi a plea deal to save money. No matter how badly the family wants the death penalty, I can’t see Arizona spending one more cent in regard to this case, plus, they would DEFINITELY have to sequester the jury with all of the ridicule for not doing so…..and they absolutely refuse to pay for that!!

          • Mark, I hope you right, but the family is doing everything in their power to get the DP for Jodi.

    • Yes! I wish I knew who to forward info to. I hope that someone will know how to do this.

    • Penny,
      Excellent ! Thank you for posting Link. It has always baffled
      Me as to why this type of info was not presented
      By the defense. This is what the jurors needed
      In expert testimony (CSI effect).
      Doubt it will be helpful in the sentencing phase
      However in the event an appellate court overturns
      The verdict one would hope this would the
      Focus in the future.
      (Sorry about the iPhone autocorrect capitalization )

      • np, I know I think it is possible that people get too focused and caught up, if the system worked the way it was suppose to then tunnel vision might not happen so often and more expansive heads would prevail.

        I myself thought he would have been on top of her to have made those wounds in the back and I know many others have thought the same, being pinned against the wall would be basically the same concept.

        Maybe they can use this, I read in someones post that new evidence could be brought in, so *keeping my fingers cross* But I totally see this M1 verdict being overturned on appeal eventually. The sad thing is, is how many more people are going to go to jail when true justice is not the motive?

        Oh and on a side note, I cannot believe how ironic it is the posting of the cat. I wish I could afford it, but not after the emergency vet bills I incurred Saturday night when my cat got attacked by 3 pit bulls, I stood in shock (lost some memory btw) screaming bloody murder and no one came to help. The cop whom I called afterwards because there were children on bikes, was very non compassionate, after wasting 40 min of my time that I should have been at the vet, because he need to take his so called pics, that he later stated was not a criminal case and when i asked well what was the purpose of holding up for and what is the next step he said with a smug smile “what do you want me to do arrest the dog?” at this point I was not screaming as he said I was but my tone was heightened at which point he refused to give me any info on the owners or the dogs, that might of helped me at the vets or civilly because he was worried that lil ole me would go and hurt the four large men and their 4 pits whom got to see me (as he made me wait on the corner block in clear view as he spoke to them) but I couldn’t see them as my view was obstructed.Needless to say I wrote a long letter to the Sheriffs office of what I thought was wrong with how the officer handled the incident and have received no response. Then I got into a fight with the vet when they told me I would be fined (and for not having tags) for not having him on a leash, well if he was on a leash he would have been dead. (there is much more to it all but thats enough said)

        The GOOD NEWS however, is that my baby made it out with only a cracked rib and some minor abrasions, this is me and my daughters baby we found abandoned when he was just a baby, his name is KitKat and he will be 11 this October and is laying here next to me now 🙂

        • Oh my gosh Penny! I don’t even want to picture what you saw. I have 3 cats and if dogs were going after any of them I don’t know what I would do. I’d lose it. They’re like my babies. I’m so thankful KitKit is okay but I’m so sorry you guys had to go through that and be treated like that. I’m just shaking my head but thanking God at the same time.

          • thank you so much Danielle!! it really was horrific I was just thanking God that my daughter wasn’t home to see it and that kitkat made it out alive.

    • WOW- this is very interesting. Thank you for this post. I think it pulls a lot together for me.

      Jodi is innocent. And this essay gives reasonable doubt to that in a way any jury could understand.

  79. OK I am just going to put this out there…How in the hell did “Meth Mouth” got a man that is not that bad looking? I mean you would picture her mate as a Primate. LOL

  80. Enjoy your 15 minutes of shame jurors. Just don’t be surprised when karma knocks on your door and bitch slaps you into next week.

  81. Good morning, everyone! I tried posting on here last night, but for some reason they’re not showing up. I wanted to apologize to some of you on Facebook who are friends of mine and wondering what happened with my account. I have suspicions that someone or some individuals from TA’s camp have something to do with it. This all started over the weekend when I posted that blog article about “Exposing The Real Travis Alexander”. Many of them commented on the blog and were not happy about it to say the least including one who made a thinly-veiled threat against me. And, ever since then I’ve been logged off FB and they keep putting a temporarily block on my account. I got tired of the BS so I deactivated the account.

    I created a new message board & website called “Justice For Jodi” and I would like to invite all of you to come to it. Here is the URL: http://justiceforjodi.freeforums.net/

    • that’s really thoughtful of you Frank, but I am quite content to be right here on SJ’s site.

      I feel safe here.

    • Frank. I thought JM above created the forum???

      What’s the scoop?

      JM says:
      May 28, 2013 at 8:28 pm

      Hey everybody. I just created a new forum for Jodi Arias supporters called “Justice For Jodi”. It has message boards and I’d like to invite you all for some great conversations there. Haters will NOT be tolerated. Here is the link: http://justiceforjodi.freeforums.net/

      • BeeCee:

        That was me, but when I posted earlier that had not been posted on here yet. At the time it said that my comment was being moderated. To avoid confusion, I will be posting here as JM.

        • I understand now Frank. And yes, i agree with Jennifer, have SJ remove your name.

            • No probs. I’ve now removed your name. Any other similar requests should be emailed to me. It’s only by chance that I saw these multiple comments requesting the update.

              SJ
              Team Jodi

          • SJ or another admin can you please remove the last statement from Frank Queen? Thank you.

    • I don’t understand why they put a block on your account when you said something about TA. What about all the things people have been posting bad about Jodi, even exposing her privet parts. That’s not fair, if they don’t want people talking about him, they shouldn’t talk about her either.

    • geebee2, it is really great all the work you have put into those pages. you rock!

      I’m still floored over the high res image you have of the shell casing that appears to have NOT landed on TOP of the blood, but the blood flowed under and around it.

      I still can’t get over that one…why they showed such a crappy image during the trial…

      • BeeCee, if I recall when the shell casing was discussed Jose Baez gave several reasons for this such as struggle, it could have been kicked or moved. After he suggested many reasons HLN didn’t ask him for anymore of his thoughts on this case.

  83. AA and Al I really enjoy reading the posts you write on here about the defense strategy and how they could’ve approached the trial. I’m not a lawyer, and I do think having that perspective is important to us as Jodi supporters and supporters for her to get justice. I also like reading the Lawyers to Strike blog (may have not called it correctly) for the same reason. As a person that just saw the trial and don’t have legal experience I think KN and JW wanted to prevent Jodi from getting the DP. I think they didn’t plan past the DP. Although I think Jodi was consistent in her testimony (hindsight) as a juror it would be difficult to “see” past some of her reactions because of the “juries preconceived notions of guilt” since these jurors are more pro-prosecution. I think Jodi IS weird, but who isn’t weird in this country let alone this world. Do I think she was convicted for being weird? YES!!!! Everyone has their biases and I think the DT took a traditional route of trials: questioning witnesses and allowing jurors to infer information based on testimony and evidence. Was this the best approach? Probably NOT!!! Juan Martinez used emotion to drive his argument, and the DT wasn’t proactive at taking lead on these issues to put out fires. The jurors repeated the “manipulation” argument so it resonated with some of them. Jodi’s idiosyncrasies, which were not on trial, yelled JM argument: MANIPULATIVE & LIAR which lead some of them to “believe” UNREMORSEFUL. Perhaps her team didnt prepare her for questioning. But at the end of the day her testimony didnt rub jurors the right way. I know we shouldn’t allow emotions to cloud judgment, but with all of JM soap opera antics it’s difficult for them to get past it. Juror 6 said when interviewed she didn’t want to look at the prosecutor and she felt she let them down. She had made an emotional connection with him. Did she feel such a connection to him that she MUSTve convicted M1? Did she feel an alliance to him? And why? I think the answer is emotions. JM made a connection with some of these jurors. Did Jodi Arias DT try this approach? Probably not.

    Many jurors may have felt an alliance to the prosecution. Even though emotions aren’t to be considered its hard not have them involved. We are human and multidimensional. Jodi Arias is a prime example. She’s an intelligent, well spoken, artistic and talented woman. She could’ve made so much of herself, but here she is convicted of murder against a man she loved. Here we are watching it, and here I am judging her because I see her differences. They’ve been magnified to the x1000 level under a microscope. It’s hard to be in her shoes, and I don’t call her weird to insult her. I’m just making an observation about her behavior and that some people may take it the wrong way for XY or Z reason. Tugging at emotional heart strings has been central to this trial, and painting Jodi as evil because of differences is a fallacy. But that’s what’s been done.

    I hope that she is released, and I hope this whole travesty ends. Will it I don’t know? I can only pray and hope Jodi moves on from this horror.

    • BTW I enjoy reading all your posts. Everyone has very different and insightful experiences. I’m glad we even share from across the globe and around the world.

    • I personally find Juan Martinez so repugnant that I can’t wrap my brain around how anyone could feel a connection with him. Obviously the haters and some of the jurors do, but ugh. Even the sound of his voice turns my stomach.

      The jurors are using the “Jodi didn’t apologize, Jodi seemed weird” lines in an attempt to disguise the fact that many of them were ready to convict her from the get-go. She did not receive a fair trial. I don’t care what the norm is in Arizona: a high-profile case should ALWAYS have a sequestered jury. At least some of these people did not follow the admonition.

      • Juan is a total pig, I so hope he gets what is coming to him. These jurors making the media circuit say the same things that have been said on hln, obviously they discussed the case Thiis was a total unfair trial and I hope there is some good attorney out there who would want to take this case and eat Juan Martinez alive with all of his damn bullshit. Despice that man with passion.

    • FLANG,

      To answer your question….I’m not wierd. So fuck you. Just because i lost my dog sparky or spanky or speckles…whatever his name is… doesnt make me wierd. Just because it takes me five pages to say one simple thing doesnt make me wierd. Just because i sometimes talk about my pink speedo….NOPE. Im the normal one, you are all the wierdo’s.

      Good morning Flang. Have a good one my friend 🙂

  84. Good Morning ALL.

    Al, I got your reply above and replied.

    Have a great day everyone.

  85. That I agree on–it could have been explained—unless the judge didn’t allow the DT to do so (Not trying to make an excuse—only a thought. PS Sorry if my other reply sounded a bit testy )

  86. My reply was to AA’s answer for me in regards to the petrol/kerosene receipt not being further pursued by the DT

  87. For the eight who wouldn’t budge on their DP votes, thinking they could save face with the lynch mob and with TA’s family, that with a hung jury the judge would just automatically sentence her to life, I hope KARMA is giving them a good swift slap upside the head. Now they have to live with knowing the expensive mess they’ve created, not to mention dragging this all out further for all concerned. (Of course, that kind of karma only works on people with a conscience and we can only hope that at least some of them have one.)

  88. Looks as if “Tara the tweeting juror” has deleted a lot of the tweets. I suspected she would and I highly suspect Juan made her. Great appellate issues in those tweets, so I hope someone got the screenshots before she deleted. Even tho she wasn’t deliberating, she tainted that jury with her “Guilty from the first” attitude.

    • And I’m sure, even though she didn’t deliberated, she represents the preconceived presumption of guilt by many of those jurors.

      • Yes, I’m sure they are all just like her. That group of hags had their minds made up day ONE. They were suppose to hear the evidence first. Also, they gave that guilty verdict as a gift to the family, They didn’t care what the evidence was. As soon as Samantha started rolling her eyes and fake crying, they bought it. That is why Samantha did it..she knew it would. That judge should have made the family leave because they just wouldn’t stop. Most judges would have thrown them out first day. It is highly prejudicial for a family member to cry and roll their eyes just six feet away from the jury.

  89. Hi all, I must confess that when I began to follow this trial I believed Jodi was guilty of M1. I don’t watch any TV, so I only became aware of this case from Google news in late March. I’d like to know if any of you, like me, started out believing Jodi was guilty, and what changed your mind.

    • I was on the fence at first. I made my mind up early on that I would not watch the trial on HLN and would watch online. That alone gave me a unbiased approach to the trial and I knew she was not guilty, and it was self defense.

    • I would say I was pretty impartial. In the beginning I leaned more towards guilt, but I never fully thought she was guilty. Then as more evidence came into the picture, I started to think she was innocent.

    • I knew nothing of this until the trial started. My first reaction was guilty and I chuckled at self defense. Then, unlike the jury, I learned the “evidence”. Had I been on the jury it is possible I could have gone for M2 or manslaughter, but never M1. I would have spit in Juan’s face for putting us through this expensive circus to benefit the Alexander convicts and the rest of the family.

    • I saw Jodi on 48 Hours interview a few years back and I thought she was guilty because things didnt make sense when she explained the intruders story. BUT the argument 48 Hours told didnt jive either. Here was this woman that could be my sister or cousin talking normally about the intruders and her “ideal childhood.” I felt something was missing from the story. Especially, Travis slept with her and had sex and took photos. The stalking and obsession argument was moot to me. After the trial I do feel I have more answers to questions about what happened on June 4, 2008. But the media and HLN just took the story and completely twisted facts, fabricated stories and showed jodi arias as an evil mastermind. There are SO many lies spread about this case that I’ve read on “credible” news agencies about the trial and events that its disappointing. I question everything now. The stab wounds have been exaggerated, the stalking rumors have been created and perpetuated, the hair color has also been quoted in news reports as changed although it was proven she dyed it in April, Travis’s verbal, psychological abuse has been “deleted” from the media and not to mention no one ever quoted his line about 12 year old orgasming comment despite it came from his own mouth! I’ve found bloggers doing more investigative reporting than the news!

      Throughout this process Jodi has been targeted as a scape goat for frustrations of the world. “Kim Jung Un fired a missile because Jodi Arias told him to do it.” At the beginning of this trial I thought HLN is wrong for airing “news about the trial” as fact but we have the first amendment so we should tune them out or respectfully disagree, but now I’m not so sure that was the right approach. I also didn’t expect to see sooo much social media about this trial. Although Casey Anthony was highly publicized I felt there was a little more respect and control for the judicial system and the jury. In this trial I saw none of that. The jury was photographed/filmed boarding buses after their penalty verdict. One of the jurors was followed on his way to board the light rail. I think there was no respect for this process, the judicial system or the jury. And you know who was hurt the most? Jodi Arias. Our Constitution and our cultural way of life is to protect the individual. This was not done in this case. There are many players to blame. I just hope that justice for Jodi is served.

      • CBS has blood on its hands for ever “reporting” on the Arias case in the first place if they were not going to critically look at Chris Hughes and the rest of Travis’s so-called ‘friends.” It was obvious what they were saying was even more unbelievable than what a PTSD-afflicted Jodi Arias said.

        Since “48 Hours” gets hundreds of suggestions for stories per year and only a handful are covered, I wouldn’t be one bit surprised if the Hugheses contacted them for a story. They were just a little bit too prominent there.

    • I first started following his case a couple years ago (have family in Arizona) watched both TV and web broadcast on this trial. Was first thinking manslaughter until I started checking into TA’s background and listening to the expert witnesses. Self defense all the way.

    • Good Day to Everyone!

      Krikee, I will admit when I first heard of this trial it was on the news. I thought Jodi was guilty – but – when I found out about the wounds (gun shot, stabs and throat slash) I thought something was up. In my mind (and probably due to my personal experience) I thought there is no way a pretty lady like Jodi just decided to kill this guy so I decided to watch the trial to see what the motivation would be. A news reporter on hln (not ng, drew, jvm or vp but one that is more professional from the morning), said that there are people that believe she is innocent and she talked about this site. I came and looked out of curiosity then started watching the trial on insession and hln. When the prosecutor started in, I was appalled and my suspicions were aroused. That is when I came here to read more about the case (I couldn’t find any other info on google other than the crap being spewed on tv). So…. turns out my suspicions were correct and there’s more to this case than what ‘they’ were telling the public. Now I no longer watch t.v. except for an occasional local news or a couple shows I like.

      But, I will say this trial has given me a crusade – to see jm behind bars. I am doing the small part that I can to see justice is done. Not sure how much of an impact I can have, but if I can at least bring awareness to others about the crimes he has committed, then that is a big step for me.

      • I would join your crusade. I think Martinez is guilty of misconduct at best. He is a disgusting little man who proves that the end does not justify the means. Truth matters and he cares nothing about the truth.

    • Yes, I started off believing she was guilty. I’m ashamed to admit this but I also believed., at the time, that she deserved the death penalty.

      The main thing that made me change my mind was the over the top coverage by the media, the constant condemnation of Jodi and the adoring fans of Travis, the Alexander family and Juan Martinez. The coverage was so biased it really started to bother me and I decided to take a fresh look at the evidence in the case, not just the evidence that would support my initial belief that she was guilty.

      When I started looking at things with an open mind it became very clear to me that things weren’t as they appeared. When I looked at ALL the evidence, I was convinced that there was no way in hell this was a premeditated murder. Little by little my view of Jodi and Travis started to change.

      I began speaking up for Jodi on social media sites and really started getting a lot of hateful comments directed at me. I saw how most people were not focused on the evidence in this case and just wanted to condemn Jodi because it was the “in” thing to do. I have changed my entire view of this case and I am proud to support Jodi and have been doing so for the past few months. If people would just open their minds and focus on the evidence I think a lot of people would change their views about Jodi and what happened on that day.

    • I wasn’t certain when I first began watching the trial. I must confess, I did initially watch it on HLN until I learned about the live feed. I actually began early on to believe something wasn’t quite right with the situation, based on the outlandish statements of the HLN talking heads. I then began looking for others who felt the same way and came upon this site. What fully convinced me that Jodi acted in self defense, and that TA was a pedophile, is hearing his own voice and statements on the taped phone call. The emails, and text messages he sent were just icing on the cake.

      I initially had compassion for his siblings, but that soon disappated once I really watched their antics in the Court Room and on social media. It became clear to me that they were using their dead brother to make money.

      If I didn’t understand the power that Mormons have in Maricopa County I would still be dismayed that a 12 person jury actually found Jodi guilty of M1. Travis himself told the entire story and unless one was either paid off, or threatened by the Mormons, they would have completely exonerated her.

      The haters can say anything they want about those who support Jodi. I am well educated, have completed a stellar career, have no criminal record and belong to no cults. I believe I am representative on any other “average” juror, that would serve on a jury outside of the control of Mormonism.

      That being said, I suspect that many haters and at least some of the jurors believe in Magic Underwear, haven’t gone for further education, work for Ponzi/MLM schemes run by Mormons, and follow a prophet that came up with his religion by finding “magic stones” in New York. If Joseph Smith came up with his story today, he would be carted off to the nearest Psych ward, found to be delusional and given medication to stop his hallucinations. (by the way, I have lived in NYS and can attest to the fact that there are no magic stones there).

      • If Joseph Smith were alive today he would be committed in all counties for long term intensive psychodynamic psychotherapy, with the exception of Maricopa County. They would want him to serve on juries. If not that he would be a regular guest on Nancy Grace.

    • I also was unsure but leaned towards guilt until Jodi testified. That’s when I realized that things weren’t black and white like the prosecution wanted people to believe. To be clear, I have always thought that abuse was a part of the relationship due to all the stab wounds. There’s too much reasonable doubt here and it should be favored towards the defendant.

  90. Good Morning folks, or should I say good afternoon.

    It’s been a hell of day – first the power supply on my laptop caught fire this morning, then on the way to taking the kids to school the axle on my car broke and then when I finally got to the office I spilt coffee all over myself.

    Let’s see what else we can pile on top of this.

    So some apt Morning music.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmrraT6w-t8

    What a Long Strange Trip Its Been

    • Al

      Somedays it is just one weird thing after another … I heard the snowball stands are open in Baltimore (my daughter lives in Federal Hill) – go get yourself one of those weird concoctions and de-stress. Snowballs and bushels of soft shell crabs sold on the roadside (don’t forget the Old Bay) gotta love Baltimore.

      • What do those Baltimorons know about crabs (just kidding). I come from crab town Maryland, the one, the only.

        But man they sure turned the heat on today. Would be a great day to sit by the water, drink a cold one and crack some crabs.

        But stupid things like work keeping getting in the way.

        • We Marylanders sure do love our crabs! I just ate some last weekend. I can’t wait until I can get some more. Yummy!

          • Unfortunately a lot of what’s being sold these days is either from NC or Louisiana. But if you go out to the docks where the watermen come in you can get the real thing. And something about a bay crab (or oyster) just tastes so much better.

          • ok Britney…. Im jealous!!!!!! Now, I want some…. thanks for the idea, maybe we’ll have some for dinner today!!! : ))

        • If you like crab you should try PNW dungeness and our Fanny Bay oysters and the best in the world!!

          Hope your bad day is done..

      • Good Morning Moni.

        My turn to bitch about the heat. Man they turned on the furnace today, it was 90 degrees at 10 AM.

        • Weatherman said it will be 90-110 in places over the weekend in So Cali!!!! I don’t like the heat!!!!

            • I’ll trade you..we have had nothing but rain and forcast is for more rain…at 55 its not funny anymore!

            • Oh another Marylander! Cool.

              And they don’t know from heat till they’ve seen our lovely sauna.

          • I miss SoCal and the Valley heat! Since we’ve moved to Central Coast, it’s always cold. Hoping it gets past 70 this weekend.

    • LOL Sorry brother..sounds like my Thursday last week.

      I have been reading posts. ..wow guys some heated word’s havve been exchanged. I thought I was talking to my Bio family for a minute.

      So I have a few minutes to myself and have been watching some of what the jury is saying. BS..

      Well got to go back to my vacation..

  92. Hi guys!
    ((((((((TEAM JODI))))))))
    (((((((((((JODI))))))))))))

    I’m trying to read all the upper posts. I missed a lot! So I wanted to say hi while I keep reading!

  93. I don’t want to beat this is about religion thing like a dead horse. But if someone killed me and I was this deeply Catholic person (I’m Catholic but I don’t agree 100% on every single subject, I still ask questions). But if I was as Catholic as Travis is Mormon and my family and Catholic friends were begging for my killer to get the death penalty wouldn’t they be called hypocrites too?

  94. Jodi Just tweeted

    Jodi Arias ‏@Jodiannarias 5m
    “I will be sorry for the rest of my life – probably longer.” – Me, my allocution, May 21, 2013

    • I truely believe she is sorry, and not just for herself like Martinez and the haters say. She loved Travis (and as such is guilty of being a poor judge of character). Their sick affair would likely have continued for years had he not attacked her. I do believe he attacked her. But she may have overreacted. This was a crime of passion and the survivor generally regrets it.

      • Alot of us are poor judges of character when it comes to men..

        Jodi has said she is sorry over and over..I’m sick of that BS.. and I’m really concerned with the amount of hatred shown all over the place for her.

        • This also shows she apologized even though all of the pundits want to say she didn’t!!!

          • It is the pundits way of conditioning their audience. If they repeat the things they want to portray enough, people will start to believe it is the truth, after all it was on T.V. It MUST be true, right?

      • I think she’s very sorry and not just for herself. I think it really hurts her that he’s gone and that everyone has had to go through all of this. It makes me so sad that she ever met him.

        • I agree, she is sorry , not for herself, but for her family and Travis’ family.

        • Yes, she’s sorry for everyone, her family, Travis’s family. There’s a quote from a from movie, “That good people go to Hell because they can’t forgive themselves”. I hope one day Jodi can forgive herself. I know she believes in many lives. I think in THIS LIFE she can find the grace she is looking for, she need not wait for another chance at it. Even if by some strange chance the Alexanders came to her and said, “We forgive you,” it still wouldn’t make her feel any better if she hasn’t forgiven herself first.

        • I also agree, I think she showed remorse several times, you do not have to say your sorry when you are defending your own life and I think she didn’t say the “I’m sorry” because like she said, no one cares to hear it. it would only fall on deaf ears and she might feel slighted that these people are so vengeful towards her while knowing the truth, I would be. The thing is, is no one stays in a state for a long time, well unless you are just so depressed you are comatose which could happen but then she wouldn’t be fit to stand trial, but otherwise when my sister passed even at the funeral me and my other siblings laughed and had many facial expressions I am sure of it, we did not cry the whole day long.

  95. Although I am not a religious person in the conventional sense—–i.e. not a member of any organized religious group…..especially the Mormon cult, I was wondering if a daily dousing of the entire courthouse with holy water would keep the demons -(JM and th rest of the Turd Alliance)- from entering the building. )

    • BTW, did anyone get a chance to check out the article that I mentioned in an earlier post?

  98. So we all keep griping about Pickles, but as I was rooting around in the AZ rules I found this gem

    Rule 10.2. Change of judge upon request

    a. Entitlement. In any death penalty case, any party shall be entitled to request a change of judge as a matter of right no later than ten (10) days after the state files a notice of intention to seek the death penalty. In any criminal case other than a death penalty case, each side is entitled as a matter of right to a change of judge.

    and the exceptions are:

    The notice shall also include an avowal that the request is made in good faith and not:
    1. For the purpose of delay;
    2. To obtain a severance;
    3. To interfere with the reasonable case management practices of a judge;
    4. To remove a judge for reasons of race, gender or religious affiliation;
    5. For the purpose of using the rule against a particular judge in a blanket fashion by a prosecuting agency, defender group or law firm (
    State v. City Court of Tucson
    , 150 Ariz. 99, 722 P.2d 267 (1986));
    6. To obtain a more convenient geographical location; or
    7. To obtain advantage or avoid disadvantage in connection with a plea bargain or at sentencing, except as permitted under Rule 17.4(g).
    The avowal shall be made in the attorney’s capacity as an officer of the court.

    So if folks think Pickles is basically pro-prosecution, why didn’t the defense exercise this right?

    Is it because the rest of them are just as bad, or possibly worse?

    • When did the state announce they would seek the DP?

      We also have to remember, Nurmi wanted to be done with this case, as he has been waiting to get his private practice going for quite some time, i doubt he would push the trial back even longer, with a new judge being assigned and brought up to speed.

      The grass always looks greener on the other side of the fense, but maybe Nurmi knew what the other “grass” had to offer.

      Female judge…? I would think this would weigh a bit on keeping her in a DV DP case.

  99. Yo…for all you complaining about the heat in your part of the country, here in Phoenix it’s going up to 98 today and 107 by Sunday. As I mentioned before, here we do have four seasons: 1 Spring, 2 Summers and Hell.

    • Of course, it is a “dry heat” and for my friends who ask how I can live it that I tell them, first off, you don’t go out and stand in it (unless you’re standing in a swimming pool) and normally what we do is go from our air conditioned house to our air conditioned car to the air conditioned mall.

    • Yeah but y’all also have JM, Flores, Pickles and this darned jury, so hell should look like a welcome sight.

      • The only thing to rue is that fucking liar Horn. We’re to blame for his sorry ass. He claims to be from Maryland – dickweed.

    • In Oceanside, CA, today it might have hit 72, but the wind made it feel like 71, so we’re all okay.

      I got another one: in Denver, there are four seasons: road construction, road construction, road construction, and winter.

      Sarah!

  100. Goodmorning friends!!!! Im now reading, Innocence: An Argument For Jodi Arias by Richard Speights. Its funny, because I had mentioned this a few weeks/months ago and someone shut me down saying it would be “possible but not probable” yeah whatever!!!!!! So Richard Speights explains it almost like iv thought about it.

    The first paragraph he questions if and how a woman CAN sever a mans throat during a frontal attack. Now, you guys know that im one of the few that blv the “intruders” story to be the truth BUT when I think about the self defense fight that Jodi had to put up as she explains Iv ALWAYS thought of it this way: TA on top, attacking her, Jodi on the bottom, trying to get away and she had no other choice then to go for the throat (from underneath him). And of course that wouldn’t have been premeditated AT ALL!

    I know Jodi said she didn’t remember that part, but couldn’t her defense team throw it in there just to show the jury that it COULDVE happened? You know, SPECULATE (like Martinez did with almost everything)! Then again….. who knows, the jury had already convicted Jodi and one juror admitted to not taking what JW was saying into account. That she wasnt going to fall for her lies!!!!

  102. We all know that Jodi said she was sorry during her allocution. We all know that she doesn’t deserve a M1 conviction. And we all know for damn sure that she didn’t deserve the DP.

    Jodi could say she is sorry every day publicly. She could be found guilty of M1 no matter what the evidence says against it. She could be put to death a any way you can think of.

    Here’s the thing.
    No matter what Jodi says . No matter the good she does. No matter how many times the Haters kill her or wish her dead, it will NEVER EVER be enough for them. The haters want things done to Jodi that the wildest imaginations haven’t even dreamed up yet.

    People really suck. It’s crazy what a gang mentality will do to people when encouraged by HLN and the likes of them.

  103. Hello Everyone!!!

    Was out of town for Memorial Day weekend (was able to spend quality time with my man in Minnesota, which is not as often as we would like because he is working in Oklahoma and I am living in Wisconsin, but that would be a long story) and arrived back home last night to find pkg in my mailbox: the two Survivor tees I had ordered! Each one rolled up inside a single tissue wrapping and the two tied up together with a brief typed note by a slender pretty purple hair ribbon!
    Note: “Dear Friend & Supporter, Thank you for purchasing a SurvivorT-Shirt. 100% of the net profit from each sale is donated to Domestic Violence Organizations. With your purchase, you have assisted these organizations in their support of survivors of domestic violence. We hope it will be worn proudly, and that you will continue to join us in our efforts to further assist in this worthy cause. Sincerely, Jodi Arias and Family”
    Cat’s Eye is beautiful!
    SJ is beautiful!
    Cat lover’s are beautiful!
    Jodi Arias is beautiful!
    Jodi Arias Supporters are beautiful!
    There are some ugly and hateful entities in the world… but today I am on an emotional high and am only acknowledging love and beauty. Good Day to you all!

    • I have had the opportunity finally to watch the Arias jurors speak on their network HLN,which stands for HATE LIVE NOW. You are what you eat. Obviously they have no concern with HLN or they would refuse interviews with them. I believe they show their lack of judgement or they would not be appearing. They also show that they are part of their thought processes, or they would either refuse to appear or share their concerns. Clearly these jurors did watch coverage during the trial. Even if they thought Jodi was guilty, they should be concerned with HATE LIVE NOW methods and refuse to appear. N

    • awwwwww Sable…. that’s nice. im glad you had a great long weekend with your boo!

      (((( hugs)))))

        • and back to you, (((((((((Janeen))))))))) I would put hearts up but im working out of my laptop not my notebook today…. but I love you either way…… : ))

          • Enable the “numberlock” button at the top of the keyboard on the laptop…

            That turns the keys: 789, UIO and JKL into NUMBERS. Hit “ALT” and the number corresponding to 3 and you’ll have your heart! 😉

              • LMAOOOOOOOOOOO

                ROCK ON MY FRIEND —- ROCK ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

                ♥♥♥

  104. I posted this on a previous thread and think it bears repeating. We were discussing TA and our feelings about him.
    Oh god yes he is smug! He also pulled a querulous look in photographs of them both, almost like he was sneering at being seen with her in public.
    He is not someone who appears genuine at all, he looks like a sexist pig to me. A man with all front and one dimensional.
    I’m almost pleased he had a structure around him albeit skewed, if he had no censure he might have been a bit disturbingly nasty…
    But then I remember the very damaged boy, the skewed values, the lack of parental care, and wonder why everybody waited until he was six to rescue him and his siblings?
    The damage was well and truly done.
    .What were people thinking? Never heard of child abuse anyone? Where were the authorities, or is that when the move happened to g’ma’s?
    I can’t stand not having enough information, it’s just so not black and white…

    The role modelling had to have come from somewhere…
    Has any of the severe damage been addressed by any of them? All I can whisper is intergenerational abuse, it’s a learned behaviour. I hope, (not without cause) that any future children are not dragged into this mess of an atrociously traumatised family. I would not be surprised to learn that they are all suffering from attachment disorders, PTSD, Borderline, anxiety, anger issues, violence, drug abuse, sexual issues, and a whole host of other things.

    They are not just angry at Jodi Arias, she is just a convenient scapegoat for generations of abuse. They see ‘mistrustful whoring woman’ (likely their mother) we see abusive behaviour that causes ‘mistrustful whoring women’, they don’t – and I don’t think they know how to.
    Godly grandma vs whoring bitches.

    They have every right to be angry and mistrustful, but not at me. As a woman and on behalf of other women around the world, I say it is never ok to present images of violence juxtaposed with female genitalia, and beam it around the world.
    Nice message Arizona!

    • When I look at the photos of them I see what you see. Travis the jerk. From day one I have had no sympathy for him. He did what he did to Jodi and it could’ve just as easily have been her in that body bag.

      I hope their hate isn’t being passed on to their children but it is already taking it’s toll on the little one’s lives based on what Steven said in his statement. I think that family should pack up and leave AZ. Go back to their lives and their children. Focus on their family and find some forgiveness in their hearts. But that is just a fairytale wish……Instead they will stay encamped in AZ feeding their hate and squandering their lives.

      • They are riding the gravy train now so why stop. The haters keep giving them money. Would you expect anything different from a convicted felon like Tanisha? Her extensive record in theft and shoplifting shows she has no morals and no problem taking from others.

          • Well she does keep her ad for money at the top of the Haters vs Jodi Arias page every day.

            • not to forget cash still in pursuit of their roll in this. . damn maggots. The only time I’ve ever seen some stirring up so much activity is when they were either running or had something to gain. Obviously dual purposes, something IS going on or why would they continue the drive? It’s more than money and we know they have no principles.

    • They are not just angry at Jodi Arias, she is just a convenient scapegoat for generations of abuse. They see ‘mistrustful whoring woman’ (likely their mother) we see abusive behaviour that causes ‘mistrustful whoring women’, they don’t – and I don’t think they know how to.
      Godly grandma vs whoring bitches.

      SOOOOO SOOOOOOOo TRUE!!!!!!

  106. It was during Travis’ childhood when he learned how to deal with disagreements. In his writings (http://travisalexander.blogspot.com, Monday, 5 May 2008) he writes:

    “I remember my mother emptying a revolver on the car my father was driving and my father subsequently taking an axe to my mother’s belongings and destroying them. I remember being on the other side of the front door when my father kicked it down. The police were called that time along with many others, but I knew what had to be said and knew they would leave us to more of the same.”

    So he also learned that there are no consequences to pay for that kind of violence.

    • You can be sure if Jodi had lost that fight and Travis were the one on trial for murder, JM would have paraded this out to show that he had a learned propensity for violence. I guess this is what the judge deemed inadmissible as “hearsay” during ALV’s testimony.

  107. Recently some have commented about the shower photo where the parties stipulated that Jodi was not armed at the time of that photo. I do think Nurmi mentioned it in closing arguments but generally it was not played well by the defense.

    Martinez was adamant before lunch that the photo could have been of a dog. Then after lunch, he stipulates she is unarmed. Why? Because the photo expert is a huge prosecution ally. I suspect his boss called him on it and said to not burn one of their own in his bullying.

    • I think there is MUCH more to this than ….yah im gonna say it….meets the eye.

      Why would the defense work SO hard to get this in, then not use it at all?

      I think there was a deal made that Juan would stipulate to it, if the defense didnt use it. I really was WOWED when out of the blue Juan stopped and said “you win”.

      But then this goes back to AL’s gripe about inefective counsel and not putting a MUCH BIGGER emphasis on the scene and the blood evidence.

      I think the defense should have made them bury themselves into one story and one story only, then picked it appart. How could they go down the line of thinking that she “ambushed him, and THIS was the picture taken at the beggining of the assault, when they stipulated that she didnt have a weapon at this time.

      It would show this was a volluntary picture, which would show the shower was not done under duress.

      So, she takes a picture, then grabs the knife and the gun, stabs him…shoots him…seconds after this innocent picture? Thats HARD TO BELIEVE, if you are going down the pre-meditation route.

      But, hey….grass…greener… what do we know? we are just sheeples remember.

      • That has always been a big stumbling block for me – suddenly she starts stabbing. Martinez claimed it was because he was in a vulnerable position. So she bent down to stab him in the chest. I am still a little shocked that the entire jury bought that bullshit.

      • And I should add, like he wasn’t vulnerable when he was sleeping? Now if she really planned this whole thing we have to believe she was still able to have a nice nights sleep? Snored away did she? I’ve heard even hardened soldiers and law enforcement have trouble with killing. Yet somehow Jodi with no criminal record met the sandman with no problem.

        • I can’t believe the jury bought all of this bullshit! JMs story all took place in what 65 secs and then in the sentencing phase was it? he changed to 2 mins.. and thats only one piece of poo flung which seems to have stuck all over the place. Then they come back with M1 and M1 with the extra charge (damn memory!) which is redundant isn’t it ! and then the jury didn;t get the right instructions and/or a page was ommited then given back..

          The woman in Flordia who shot her boyfriend when they were both pissed out of the minds was just set free..not guilty….

          Jodi was framed !!!!!!!!!

          • its all just crazy and doesnt make sense. even in an insane situation. If I were travis and Jodi stabbed me the way JM said she did I would have put a hurting on her before she got the best of me and to use the gun last? well then why not unload the gun? it makes no sense to use it last. And if anyone seen how hollow point bullets impact the body that would have eliminated the grandfathers gun from the get go had the defense team brought in more factual evidence instead of concentrating so much on Jodi state of mind. Like before mentioned they should have kept pinging on the points the prosecution was making tearing them down creating reasonable doubt. Instead I think they put on a case as if they had the preponderance to prove.

      • Sirlips,

        More importantly, if we are believe JM she has a gun, but shed decides to first use the knife instead. So maybe the “fog” set in early and she forgot about the gun. Then after she finishes killing him she says

        “Oh Rats, I forgot to use the gun.”
        “What the heck, and I staged that whole theft and all, and I forgot to use it. This really sucks.”
        “I came all the way from California to shoot the damn SOB, dyed my hair and everything.”
        “WTF let me just shoot him now.”

        See thats the story he wants us to believe, and that’s the story this dumb assed jury apparently bought.

        Or they just convicted her for lying.

  108. Excuse me but in a previous post I used the word “murder” and no way do I believe he was “murdered”. He was “killed” after initiating an attack that he thought he could win (being the big muscular and macho guy that he was.) I believe he would still be alive if he had left it at the gun shot but I can imagine as he stood there at the sink, assessing the damage, his rage took over and now he was really going to teach that bitch a lesson. Must have been a real big surprise to him when she started wailing away at him with the knife.

    • I adore you, RB, but the wording here makes me cringe…”teach that bitch a lesson” and “wailing away at him with the knife”

      😯

      • I know, Reneé, the vision of it makes me cringe too. I hope you know when I used the word ‘bitch’ I was coming from what I thought was in his mind. And as far as the wailing, I am not in the camp of “overkill”. I think by then she was in PTSD (having just shot him) and she was fighting for her life with every inch of her being.

          • By the way, Reneé, we share first names (except I put the accent on the first e as in “fiancée”.) If you want to know how to put the accent on your e, just tell me whether you are on a PC, Mac, iPhone or iPad.

            • And it’s a mutual ‘adoration’ society, Reneé. I do so enjoy your intelligent, well thought out and well composed posts.

    • Yup, should’ve kept his hand to himself!!!!! But he didn’t have a MOTHER to teach him that and grandma didn’t teach him that either!!!!!!! Bottom line is, like SJ said about the body bag: Let it be a lesson to those who THINK they can always get away with it!!!!!!!

      • It was going to be her or him in that bag; Thank God it was him. One less misogynistic woman-beating pedo in the world.

  109. At some point, i think there is going to be a huge “holy shit” moment in this whole circus.

    There is just too much “WTF” going on. I dont know what will cause it, or when, but sooner or later something is going to hit the fan i I am guessing that “something” will not smell good.

    The Judge was a moron….that cant be argued against.

    The Prostecutor was an Asshole, again, that boat has sailed and no one was left on shore wondering.

    The defense missed HUGE opportunities.

    There are hundreds of objections to review by an appeals board, but several MAJOR issues for the granting of an appeal.

    Hung Jury in penalty phase.

    7 of the jurors found the defendent guilty of conflicting charges.

    Spanky is STILL dead and we are still taking “donations”.

    No formal theft charge, yet the prosecutor was able to “charge” the defendent with FELONY theft, via accusation, in closing argument.

    Posecutorial miss-conduct via throwing things in court, dropping evidence, “shock and awe” photo flashes after the guilt/innocent phase, Juan left materials on the projection sceen while it was being objected to and the attornies were at side bar for 5 minutes…giving the jurors a chance to read the entire screen…even though the objection was sustained, withholding evidence and lying about it, working with the state witnesses to promote perjury, show boating on camera durring the trial, leaking videos to the media of the defendent while the trial was still going on and with content that was relevent to what was being discussed durring that time of the trial, and being a piece of shit. ( i may have made that last one up..but i was on a roll)

    • That stupid judge was caught on video rolling her eyes at ALV while she was answering jury questions!!!

      oh and Iv been wanting to tell you, I dream of Sparky every single night!!!!! I miss HIM!!!! ; )

    • No, sirlips! You didn’t make that last one up! He WAS being a humongous piece of shit! I feel the same way you do, at some point people are going to wake up and be like, WTF happened here?! That is my sincere hope!

      P.S. My donation is in the mail, however if you would give a victim impact statement I could possibly double the amount …

  110. Ok legal eagles what does this mean

    Michael Kiefer ‏@michaelbkiefer 3h
    Today, the AZ Supreme Court will consider whether to take jurisdiction of an appeal of the death-penalty aggravator in the Jodi Arias case.

    • Hi “oh really”….

      It means they will make a decision whether to decide the appeal of the death-penalty aggravator, which was the “felony” “burglary” of TA’s gun….OR …. her being in his house without “permission”…take your pick….

      I haven’t seen you here before….I guess because this is a JODI ARIAS SUPPORT SITE – you support her, correct?

      • I have posted on here several times. HUGE supporter!
        I was raised in the East Valley which is like a mini Salt Lake City, mormons everywhere. I joke that there are more mormon churches than there are golf courses. If you have ver been to AZ you know we have a lot of golf courses. I was raised around mormons and I know a few that really are messed up because of their religion. As soon as I heard about this case which was not until late January early February and that it was a mormon man whose throat was slashed I instantly knew that Jodi was not guilty of it. Only in islam and the mormon religion have a recent history of slashing throats. I don;t watch the news and actually if my husband has it on and walk in the room he knows to turn the channel. I stopped watching the news 8 years ago when I realized how depressed I was about the world every time I tuned in for the nightly news channel. The only news I get is what I choose to read on the internet or what is played on NPR. How I found out about Jodi was when I was home sick and flipping channels and heard the shrew Nancy. I quickly turned her off after she declared Jodi guilty as sin. I grabbed my lap top and the goggled her name this site was about 5 down on the list. Ever since then I have been like an addict and have to come here every day. Not to lurk but to learn! I’m a knowledge junkie. I may not post over and over but I have here and there. Usually when someone like you or Renee, AA and AI post comments I am always wishing there was a like button for I would be the queen of likes. Below is a post that I tried to respond to Jeff in Mesa about Sheriff Joe a few days ago. My post were not showing up SJ just notified me that the problem has been fixed.

        I hope it knocks him down a few pegs!! I am a native of Arizona (that means I was born and raised in AZ. I laugh when people are saying that it has cost the county 1.7 million for Jodi’s defense. Please… Sheriff Joe and the county have to hand that out like candy for all of the lawsuit’s. 54 MILLION that has been paid out in settlements and judgements. That does not include the million’s and million’s that the county has had to pay out to judges, elected official of the county board of supervisors. there is a recall for Sheriff Joe, I signed it!! There should be a term limit on being a sheriff, there is a reason as to why the FBI will never have another J. Edgar Hoover. That is what the people of Maricopa County have allowed to happen with his elected position. I could right pages upon pages of the most outrages things about Sheriff Joe and Ex-County Attorney Andrew Thomas ( he was disbarred) seriously you should google it.
        I realize that everyone thinks this state is for lack of a better word, whacked. What the state lacks with not having a high quality County and State Government it makes up with it’s abundance of beauty. Sedona will take your breath away, Las Vegas is an hour plane ride. I can be in Sand Diego or Los Angles in a 6 hour car ride or and hour and ten minute plane ride. I can be in 75 degree weather in December and drive north for an hour 1/2 and be in the snow. No, I don’t work for the chamber of commerce We are growing and growing with generations that no longer believe in these archaic ideologies. This is not just a fight about everything that was wrong about her case. This is a fight against all that is fucked up about every single player in this game.

        I hope that I have answered your questions Janeen and erased any doubts that yo might have of me and my support. I understand your trepidation for I too have witnessed the trolls on here for the past several months.

        Thank you!

        • I’ve been in AZ for 20 years and came here on business a few years before that. You are right there are many good things in AZ. Sadly the right wing controls the ballot box and has forced us to suffer through corruption after corruption and crazy laws like the one currently brewing that allows the State to ignore Federal laws it doesn’t like. I’m serious. We elect nuts here.

        • Oh and you forgot to mention our current Attorney General under federal indictment for campaign fraud and recently pled no contest to hit and run and paid the fine. Hit and run occurred when he was visiting with a co-worker in the middle of the day at her apartment.

          Yup – we can sure pick em.

      • I thought this was the appeal that the original judge received testimony that the shot came first from the State. And the death penalty would be allowed based on that. Then they changed the story to shot came last. That should have negated the death penalty phase.

        But I may be confusing my apples with oranges.

        • Nope, You’re right.

          The issue here is that probable cause for the single aggravating factor was found on the basis of the Detectives perjured testimony. Nurmi had appealed this way back in Feb, but at that time no appeals court was willing to take it up. I guess they wanted to see if the jury would alleviate the issue, which they didn’t.

      • I’m glad this is being appealed. Flores, Horn, and Martinez should not have been allowed to get away with that shit.

    • The appeal is to remove “cruelty” as the aggravating factor, based on the fact that the State changed stories before trial.

  111. ok, im taking a break….. gotta take the girls to the park for a little while. Maybe ill run into Sparky!!!!

    • Sparky and me are popping some cold ones and eating some crabs. Now if I could get him to stop stealing my cigars we’d really have something going.

  112. Jodi did not put Travis in that shower.

    I’ve always thought it would have been way too difficult to be worth the effort, and frankly it was one of my main reasons for first considering the intruder story. But yesterday, while debating the point with tonysam, I had one of those AHA moments. (Boy am I gonna feel DUMB if y’all have all thought of this already!)

    Travis HAD to have been put in that shower by someone tall enough and/or strong enough to lift all but Travis’ feet over the ledge. If someone Jodi’s size had dragged him in there, hauling under his arms, his back and buttocks and even his upper thighs would have been scraped all to hell by the shower ledge. Yet the only scrapes were just above Travis’ heels.

    • welcome to hell, Journee… where you KNOW something is f*cked up, and everyone ignores it…

      I will never be convinced this is something Jodi did. I believe TA abused her, and may have even attacked her that day…. but the rest…

      PULEASE.

      • I’m telling you guys. As every day goes by that intruder story looks more and more like the real thing.

        You know I was just poking around with some dates and such. It seems to me that Jodi actually fired Nurmi and Victoria Washington right about the same time as the change to self defense came about.

        I wonder if they forced her into that and her first reaction was crew you, but then quickly found herself floundering.

        • Remember, at one point she was going to go pro se… that also happened during the fuckery/state changing story/ashley committing suicide by becoming a contortionist…. ect

          ect

          ect

          LOOK TOWARDS THE CA$H

        • I have thought that ever since I began following this whole horrendous mess, Al.

      • THIS was my turning point in following the trial: How in hell did a small, slender woman LIFT a 200lb man into the shower?

    • I have never commented before regarding the possibility of others being involved in TA’s killing for many reasons of which I won’t go in to. That being said, the whole thing with her dragging him back to the bathroom and miraculously getting him in the shower, in the position he was found, completely boggles my mind. It does not make sense, I do not understand it, and I openly admit that I seriously question that she could have done that on her own.

      • She might have been able to manage, with a good deal of time and struggle – and I mean a significant amount of time (hell it took me an hour and a half to maneuver my 45 pound dog into a compact position to wrap him for burial) – but Travis’ body would likely have had more wounds from THAT struggle than from the one that took his life.

        • I thought that too, Journee. But in the Flores report the time line suggests there was very little time between the time the fight happened, and the time the roommate arrived. It was only about 30mins. That was NOT enough time for all of the things to happen that the state claimed.
          Notice someone did an extensive clean up of the downstairs as well even moving furniture and using a new floor cleaner supposedly TA bought.

          • Well, it COULD be argued that Jodi stayed and waited for the house to be quiet again. As I recall, Enrique was only home for about an hour before he left again. And there’s the fact that Jodi was only about a hundred miles away when she made her phone calls six hours later.

            But then, I’m not really married to the timeline put forth in the photos, because the photos themselves are suspect and might even be manufactured evidence.

            I am quite sure now, though, that Jodi did not put Travis in that shower.

        • That’s what I meant. She didn’t have enough time to do it and I would think the adrenaline would have diminished greatly at that point, I don’t know though… and again, I also meant without damaging his body from the attempts themselves. It doesn’t make sense to me.

      • She put him in the shower. How I don’t know. Adrenaline? I believe the recent recap that was posted here where she saw what had happened – freaked – and wanted him in the shower to clean him up. As someone who used to suffer from obsessive compulsive disorder (meds fixed that) I know when something goes wrong you’ll do anything to make it right. Break the mayo jar – clean it up and get a new mayo jar pronto.

        The only thing wrong with my argument is I’m not sure Jodi had OCD. Travis did. Anyone who arranges their shoes and clothes like he did has OCD.

        • She is not big enough or strong enough to have done it without tearing him up – and the adrenaline surge would have long since abated in the time it would have taken.

    • Someone else brought something up that I hadn’t thought of… (can’t remember who, so I can’t give credit – sorry). Given the severity of the neck wound, and the fact that he was dead, how is that he arrived in the shower in one piece, if he was dragged? (ie w/out more damage to the neck or a complete sever)

      I would also like to know what was asked during Jodi’s polygraph. Apparently she passed it, but the judge wouldn’t allow the results to be admitted into the penalty phase. What was the subject of that polygraph?

      • The spine was still intact, as well as the muscles of the side and back of the neck (which, at that point would only have been connective tissue, not actually functioning as muscles) – so I don’t believe his head would have just fallen off in transport, but it would have been unwieldy.

    • You know, Journee, I can’t get over things Jodi said in interrogation. These statements bring me back to the intruder scenario even though Speights essay really nailed the self defense knife fight. One was her surprise about the pigtail photos, saying that was from another date. The second was her immediate response, even before she even saw the shower photos, that Travis would never, ever allow himself to be photographed in those private moments, and that she DID NOT take those shower pictures. It took about a day and a half to break Jodi in that interrogation. Someone with a strong personality would never break and confess to something they didn’t do, but a weaker personality would. Flores and Blaney employed the classic mental torture. Btw, Blaney made me sick, all the stupid, dishonest shit she said to Jodi to get her to confess. I don’t know where most of us would fall on the spectrum of strong to weak, but I suspect most of us would crack after two days. Another thing that Jodi said when she was near to breaking was something to the effect of, if I give you some false confession that just makes it look just as bad. I wish she and her parents had attorneys with them. Let this be a cautionary tale to everyone. When it comes to the police, lawyer up.

  114. The “dragging TA to the shower” portion of this puzzle is DEFINATELY the piece that made me first question this story. I also feel like the only reason that the self-defense theory was introduced is because that was the only way to introduce the “hearsay” evidence.
    In the court documents posted in the link on this page, it is proven that ONLY after the defense changed strategies was the media (texts, emails, IM’s, etc.) admitted. I think investigation of the crime scene was a wash at this point, so Jodi was left to make a decision. I will NEVER believe Jodi killed TA. I also feel very strongly there is a REASON Jodi never admits to remembering killing him. She admits to accidentally shooting, doubts she hit him, she never saw blood. Then she doesn’t remember stabbing at all. I think this was a strategic decision just in case.

  115. My mom just realized the shirt I’m wearing is one of Jodi’s Survivor shirts. She was furious and told me she was going to burn it. >:-( I was expecting that seeing as how she was brainwashed by HLN and thinks Nancy Grace is awesome. o_O I don’t care what anyone thinks though. This shirt means a lot to me. Not just because of Jodi, but because I suffered through abuse as well. Both my mom and my ex have been emotionally abusive. Fortunately, my ex has been out of my life for a while, but I still have to deal with my mom making me feel worthless a lot of times. The “Survivor” slogan on the shirt just reminds me to stay strong and know I can get through anything.

    • omg do not let her do it Brittney take it from me, it has consumed my life far too long, I only send her cards now. Be good to yourself 🙂 you deserve it!!!

    • Her and her fucking exclamation points. I can’t wait until this nitwit drops out of the public eye. We don’t give a shit what her “theory” is.

        • The bitch says she watched them after the trial. And I wouldn’t trust her on that any further than I could throw her and her abnormally large head.

  117. Hello family – Been dealing with some left over fuc$ery from my divorce with my kiddos. Taking all my energy and sanity. I have been reading but not posting so I thought I would say hello. Still love me some Sirlips if you are out there lurking 🙂

    • Hey Lucy! No worries we all have to take time away to gather our lives 🙂 I have had to do the same lately too. Glad to see you all the same.

  118. I’ve been playing on Pinterest like I’m getting paid for it. I’ve had an account forever, but all of a sudden I just have so many things I want to put on it. I don’t even like who’s following me. I found a quote from Jim Morrison.

    Whoever controls the media controls the mind ~ Jim Morrison

    I guess it’s been true forever and getting worse and worse.

  119. The hauling/lifting of the heavy body of Travis over that shower ledge all the while wedging yourself into a corner…….then tucking the rest of his body into the shower quite neatly……..well, only an idiot not looking at this rationally would believe a person of Jodi’s size could possibly do this.

    Jody was/is not a body builder, weight lifter….just a petite sized girl and this fact along with the taking pictures all the while dragging this big hulking body down a long hallway…..
    Wow, how did anyone ever buy this ridiculous story?????????

    I agree with all of you, this was a set-up, she is a scape-goat…………plain and simple.

    Jodi maybe suffering now, but she will be vindicated and found innocent of everything but self defense in the end.

    May she take these horribly dark desert days in her life to become so strong, so discriminating in who she associates with and so grateful for her new freedom that she becomes a full blown ‘light-worker’…….helping others understand that one can be surrounded in the depths of darkness and come out the other side…….intact and in love with all others and life itself.

    • I actually think it is most likely that Travis was carried to the shower and put there using a ‘fireman’s carry’,

        • Or at least a man approximately Travis’ size and trained in how to do a fireman’s carry (which could be military, law enforcement, I think even the scouts teach it)

    • “becomes a full blown ‘light-worker’…….helping others understand that one can be surrounded in the depths of darkness and come out the other side…….intact and in love with all others and life itself.”

      RM,

      Very, very nicely said – sounds like your heart talking!

  121. Random question……I cannot tell from looking at the crime scene pics but which direction was Doofus body facing in the shower? Was his torso to the left hand or right hand wall as you are facing the door? Also any idea which side the door hinges are on? Does it open to the left or right?

      • Doesn’t It seem that since Jodi is left handed that she would have used her dominant hand to bear the most weight so he would be against the left wall if indeed she put him there? Just thinking out loud but something has always bothered me about that.

  122. Tara Kelley ‏@tarakelley320 1m

    @WildAboutTrial can’t say that it would have! I believe the people that voted life did so b/c the felt some sort of abuse happened! #17WAT
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    @tarakelley320 If prosecution was able to prove that Jodi slashed Travis’ tires, how would that have changed the jury’s perspective?

  123. bitch Tara:

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    @tarakelley320 When do you think the the premeditation began? #17WAT

  124. @WildAboutTrial it’s part of my theory! I believe he found out about the sex tape and she threatened to blackmail him! #17WAT

    ^^^ death juror’s “theory”

    and she didnt watch HLN………..hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

    • And we all know we sentence women with no criminal history on “theories” *dripping with sarcasm

    • That is the most idiotic theory ever. If he found out she was going to blackmail him with a sex tape, why would he allow her to take naked photos the day of the killing?

      • Exactly, and why would they have sex? Tara’s theory is completely bogus, and it’s just that, a “theory”.

    • So is this Juror 17 saying that she believes Jodi threatened to blackmail Travis? Doesn’t that mean he was more likely the one who initiated the attack? Or is this a case where she provoked him and therefore she deserved to be attacked?

  125. SSSOOOO- The state wants us to believe that during this 30 mins, Jodi hauled TA into the shower, washed him off, collected all her evidence, cleaned the bathroom, deleted photos, did laundry, cleaned the floor down stairs, cleaned the stair rails, put up the doggy gate and put the dog downstairs. Anyone got anything i’m missing?

    5:30 pm June 4, 2008 Weds Time on the photo of Travis bleeding on floor

    6:30 pm June 4, 2008 Weds Enrique said the last time he remembered seeing Travis was on Wednesday evening when he got home from work. He remembered Travis on the phone, possibly on a conference call at 1800 to 18:30 hrs./6pm to 6:30 pm (Flores Page 15)

    WTF????

    • I seriously doubt Jodi stayed around after the shot. Pow and out the door in shock. That’s more possible than the hughes “theory” he’s giving to jm to embed in peoples minds. hughes is running the show.

    • And Zach said he saw TA in passing about 11 am Thurs when he was leaving for his girlfriend’s house.

  126. I just called the dr drew show and gave my opinion…the woman I spoke said she MAY call me back tonight for my comment to be on the air. I have to be ready with about 3 passionate sentences if they call. What I told her is as follows but I need to make it sound coherent.

    Travis was not a saint, he was a conman and a womanizer. His friends that have been bad mouthing Jodi didn’t witness anything firsthand, they are all just profiting from this trial. Jodi and TA’s relationship was a mutually obsessive sick affair.

    Help me reword this please

    There is a woman taking calls right now live just Call 1-855-DrDrew5 if you want a chance to speak on the show tonight!!!!

    • Just wait and see they will not use you they will ignore you they do that to screen who is for and against Jodi

      • They do not want to hear the truth they got what they wanted M1 and they want to get her put to death they are looking for the haters to talk to continue what they have stated and what they will finish with. HLN sucks big time I watched because JM released videos to them and we would not have seen them in court JM made sure of that what is so damn interesting about Jodi standing on her head and playing that over and over again this shit get old and eventually no one will want to watch them anymore after this trial I will not watch anymore unless they just go in court room and record it to show that and that only this bashing is wrong they convicted Jodi from day 1 and used hate to convict her

    • I would not use the word “sick” – just another derogatory adjective to describe Jodi (T. too, but he’s gone). I’d use toxic or unhealthy.

  127. Juror 17 is damn near reciting word for word theories that the nutters have been floating for months.

    • I was expecting some big revelation. This is all recycled shit from the state page.

      • I don’t think her brain functions well enough to form an independent thought.

  128. This juror is satan.

    she is admitting she created her own little “theory” of events and that is why she would have voted death…

    people like her should not be allowed to reproduce.

    • Renee’ – Back away from the screen and quit reading that shit. You just make yourself sick. You already knew it would be a breeding ground for neanderthals with no sense spewing hate toward Jodi. Take care of yourself and your blood pressure. Fix some wine 🙂 ((((((((((((((((Renee’))))))))))))))))

    • What happened to considering the EVIDENCE? Or in the states case, lack there of!
      The juror had NO RIGHT making up her own (hln’s) theory!! The state charged Jodi with M1 they presented their “evidence” to prove it. They Didn’t prove a DAMN thing!! How the FUCK is this OK??

      Why do we have idiots in America in 2013 who don’t have a FUCKIN clue about what the LAW is or how to follow it?? This has me so LIVID!!

    • I feel everyone that voted for M1 watched HLN and I have a feeling that 4 jurors did not want M1 but was forced into it. That is why we have a hung jury….

      Hail Mary full of Grace the Lord is with you Jodi May the truth set you free one day

      • Who cares, I want to tell everyone what piece of shit travis was!!! It will be nothing compared to what Jodi has been thru.

        • perfect and undeniable on any platform .. tas and his friends admit it but make excuses .. we don’t, . what he did was unacceptable

    • I would be generic . . don’t give them anything to investigate or skew . . they’re doing that . . what they haven’t discovered on their own to fk up they’re doing it thru us . . using our things against us.

    • This is bull shit they have been here watching us all along and see what is said here why did they not address our words that we typed I do not trust them they can all go to Hell

      Hail Mary full of grace the Lord is with us now and the hater’s will all burn in hell go for it try and be heard on HLN Dr kill joy will tear you a new ass if you go on his show that is what they want

      • all they so is take what we say and make it their own version . . twist everything . . they’ve obscene

        • HM .. next time you run across rebecca ask if she’s in a wheelchair . . left you a quote last evening about this

    • Dr Drew probably planted himself a new raping tree over Memorial Day.

      Dr Drew has had 4 celebrity rehab cast members commit suicide … I think he is known on the net as the new “Dr Death”.

      Only place I EVER see anyone watching HLN/CNN is at the Airport. Both are @ 25 year lows in viewership.

      Good riddance Nasty DisGrace!!

  130. Now Tara is saying she tried to give Jodi the benefit of the doubt, even though she tweeted before about how she thought she was guilty from opening statements.

    • Yep- she knows she messed up with that initial statement. Too bad, already in cyber-world sweetie. Maybe she will learn to shut her fat cheesecake-inhaling mouth the fuck up. Probably not…….

  131. Today, the AZ Supreme Court will consider whether to take jurisdiction of an appeal of the death-penalty aggravator in the Jodi Arias case.

    Arias is appealing the cruelty factor and cites Flores’ ‘false and misleading’ testimony re the gunshot sequence.

    If the court finds the crime went down differently to what was put forward by the State, the jury’s finding of cruelty is nullified.

    • I did…Come on do it. Supporters need to come out and tell it like it is. Over on that other website they are calling in asking dr drew not to let us speak. Let’s see who wins.

      • Lynae, I have emailed a lot of the HLN staff through their website including dr. spew. Is this how you are doing it. I have not gotten a response from any of them yet. I know they got it because I get a conformation email from HLN.

      • He’ll probably try to diagnose Jodi supporters with some bullshit disorder. He has a habit of doing that to people whom he’s never met. I hate Dr. Tool.

  133. I used to take umbrage in the belief that the jurors were merely unintelligent bumpkins. After hearing the comments of that unaugust group, I am now frightened. When a person says he or she is disappointed that a fellow human being will not be put to death and another feels that Arias is “innately evil”, I shudder.
    What has happened to our society? The diabolical charlatans at HLN play a role, but ultimately it is the individual who bears responsibility for such cold-hearted nihilism.

    • Scary… huh.

      an unintelligent media whore wanted to kill someone because of HLNs’ “theories” is frightening beyond belief…

    • I had the same thoughts earlier today.

      The four jurors who voted for life are receiving DEATH THREATS because they did not want to send a young woman to her death. They extended grace to a defendant and are being vilified for that. But the ones who wanted to add MORE death to the equation are heroes.

      Fuck me.

    • Sure scares the hell out of me. I don’t want to be part of a society like this. Do they really think that KILLING her, murdering her, will make them feel any better? And if they do feel better…well then that’s just freakin’ sick.

  134. Do you think they will have the bullshit artists there to twist our words and turn it around?????????? All of those wonderful coming out of the woodwork “friends” he had? They are as sick and twisted as he was.

  137. what the fuck??? Valerie is the bailiff….

    Tara Kelley ‏@tarakelley320 2m

    @WildAboutTrial would have made it ALL Better!Valerie just emailed me And said we can’t make fun of her water and she wants her mug!

  138. damn…. the tweets stopped after than one where she talks about the bailiff emailing her and watching her interview…

  140. I’ll call Dr Douche.

    They’ve ignored me before, but that’s never stopped me. I guess I’m a stalker LOL

  141. Michael Kiefer ‏@michaelbkiefer 28m
    As predicted and without comment, the AZ Supreme Court declined jurisdiction over Jodi Arias’ appeal of ”cruelty” death-penalty aggravator.

    • This makes me feel like her conviction is not going to be overturned. (Whenever she appeals)

    • Renee and Nk

      Not surprising they didn’t even look at it right now. This isn’t where they turned it down, they didn’t even look at it. If the DP does go through they’ll be looking at a complete appeal, so might as well wait. If it doesn’t go through its moot in any case.

      So no reason to loose heart just yet.

    • attorney general is in the mix of their decisions . . don’t forget that .. we already know chughes tweets with apraio too . . Phoenix has spread to state level on this

  142. so death juror says about Juanabees style with Dr. Samuels and Alyce (yea….she is not biased)

    @WildAboutTrial he was good, a little over the top at times but it worked! They were very flustered on that stand with him!

    so…………… the idea was to get the expert witnesses flustered, in this joke jurors mind.

  143. CJ,
    Did it just ring and ring before they picked up? I just wrote my sentences out. It took me 3 drafts that’s how long it’s been ringing LOL.

  144. I really don’t think that I am going to bother with shitspew. They will just twist things around. I dooooooo want him to know that we are all here and that we support Jodi. There is so very much evidence, I don’t see HOW they denied that.

  145. Okay I got through but they didn’t take my number.

    My comment was that I believe the jurors were watching the media during the trial and she asked why and I said juror 8 admitted that the jurors used their ipads and ipods during downtime during the trial and she said that was a good point thanked me and hung up.

    What are you looking to say that you need help wording?

    • I think they just want us to call and email so that they can spew shit, also. I am not going to even let them go there. No trust with that crap. Gotta go cook.

      • Oh I wrote that before I refreshed my screen and read your post! I’m sorry! I forget to refresh a lot.

    • Maybe they’ll just read what we had to say. I’ve got to work on my 3 sentences on the off chance they will call. I am going to compare the trial coverage to a modern day witch hunt.

  146. I just wanted to say because I’ve been forgetting that cat’s eye drawing is amazing and I wish I wasn’t broke so much now! SJ it must be such a cool feeling to have inspired another person so much to create something so beautiful for you! I feel cool when my niece or nephew makes me something so this must be an amazing feeling. It is so well deserved. You guys do so much behind the scenes. It just goes to show how much you’ve done for Jodi and how much she appreciate you. I know we here appreciate you too! You keep us safe and give us the ability to meet and talk to each other and work towards a common goal (no matter how little we can do) bc we care about Jodi. Also all administrators. I actually feel pretty safe posting here and I never even felt that safe posting on facebook! I’m a huge cat lover also (I have 3 boys) so this was right up my alley.

    So thank all of you ((((((((((TEAM JODI))))))))))))))

    Okay I’m done w the mushy stuff! 🙂

  147. Lynae,
    I just went up higher and saw you called Dr. Douche. What did you say?

    • Told the woman that ta was not a saint, he was a conman and womanizer. That ta and Jodi were involved in a twisted, obsessive relationship and he treated her like trash. That the trial was a modern day witch hunt and she is not the evil entity the media and shills made her out to be.

        • Yes, and then I guess they cut me off and rip me to shreds. maybe give me a personality disorder label to boot.

          • I wrote something up. That is short and kind of what you are saying. Would it offend you if I said it?

          • I’m just asking bc I thought you wanted help rewording it. I’m sorry if I bugged you.

            • i think i know what i’m going to say. its better if i don’t write it down and sound phony reading it,,,,thanks

          • Hey, where else can you get a free diagnosis?

            Well, I guess probably on any haters board.

            Nevermind.

            • I was just thinking of Charlie Brown when Lucy would put up her wooden stand and write doctor or something above it and it was for 5 cents. LOL

        • We’ll see if they even go thru with it…..websleuths was mounting a campaign to try and make them not do it…….

          • That’s just ridiculous. It’s okay for them to hate on Jodi and give their opinions all they want, but they don’t want to respect our right to share our thoughts? These people remind me of a cult because they try to shut down anyone who doesn’t think or act like them.

            • The mods on that website put a quick stop to any organized effort to recruit people to call in and ask that JA supporters not be called. After what happened to AL that site is trying to stay out of these types of things I guess.

  148. Dr Drew probably planted himself a new raping tree over Memorial Day.

    Dr Drew has had 4 celebrity rehab members commit suicide … I think he is known on the net as the new “Dr Death”.

    Only place I ever see anyone watching HLN / CNN is at the Airport. Both are @ 25 year lows in viewership.

    Good riddance Nasty DisGrace!! 😳

      • Of course they will, which is why he is so obsessed with discussing her and dragging his Jodi shows on and on and on. But now he’s making this other woman’s case a “Jodi Arias” copy and is making the comparison again and again I’m sure in hopes that people will keep watching something as sensational as Jodi’s trial. He’s so messed up. Talk about narcissistic. Now he’s got the Stalked special. Oh, but it’s not just about stalking. It’s about how “Jodi the ‘stalker'” is different from, I don’t know, “typical” stalking? I don’t friggin’ know.

    • LMAO he is barely a doctor and as far as his job at HLN he is a pretend psychology doctor of smut and being the male version of a bitch– with that annoying panel he has– redheaded smart mouth Jenny and others to hold up his dull and awkward personality. His wife probably falls asleep during sex. He is a joke all the way around and apparently couldn’t make a living as an internist IRL.

  149. I’m still in shock that this was a death penalty case when it is so obvious to me that it was just another run of the mill love affair gone bad

    • That is so true I’ve said to my SO a thousand times during this—its the oldest story in the book. Should never have been sensationalized and seriously overcharged.

    • Okay I feel bad I feel like I misunderstood.

      The media is making Travis into the Saint and Jodi into the Villain. Travis was a conman and a womanizer who hid behind his religion letting his Mormon girlfriends think he played by the rules and they were the only ones. This relationship w Jodi was twisted and obsessive. He abused her and treated her like trash yet she stayed for love.

    • I don’t think you should listen to them about being emotional at all. I think that’s so they can pick a fight. I think you should be as calm as possible. I know it’s hard bc they’re all so stupid. But sound sure of yourself, rational and reasonable even if you want to rip them apart. They’re just going to try to stir things up. I know that sounds so hard. I’d totally need a valium before the show in case they called me!!!

  152. I live in the Seattle area and this is breaking news here. Also, I might add that S/Sgt. Bales has no memory of this event and suffers from PTSD.

    “Lawyer says soldier charged with killing Afghans agreed to a plea deal to avoid death
    According to his attorney, Staff Sgt. Robert Bales plans to plead guilty to killing 16 Afghan villagers to avoid the death penalty. Bales is expected to enter a guilty pleas to charges of premeditated murder next month at Joint Base Lewis-McChord.”

    So my question is WHY was Jodi’s plea not accepted???…………oh, I almost forgot….. because Juan & TA family wanted vengeance. This is so wrong on so many levels that a family can be so hell bent on seeking Jodi’s death and the State of AZ is complicit.

  153. I just got an email from a new post at “Lawyers on Strike” that the AZ Supreme Court will not review the appeal. So do they take this to the SCOTUS now?

  154. That alternate juror, Tara, has been chatting with “wild about trial” and her answers to many of his questions proves to me that she was reading the hater boards.

    She thinks Travis was mad because he found out that Jodi was going to blackmail him with the sex tape.

    She thinks Jodi wanted to be the last one to ever have sex with Travis

    She believed Nurmi when he said he didn’t like Jodi most of the time

      • Referring to “She thinks Jodi wanted to be the last one to ever have sex with Travis” I heard one of the people on HLN say the same thing.

      • The state spends all that money going after the death penalty on case that doesn’t warrant it and balks at sequestering the jury to save money. Total BS.

    • The hard thing is that you don’t know if she is parroting what she heard during the trial, or if she is media scoping since. She is on twitter, so she could have gotten stuff from there and be repeating what she thinks will earn her more fans.

    • That dingbat just can’t hold her tongue remember no one with any sense cares what she thinks—-she did not deliberate—she was an alternate in the end– thank goodness— so her diarrhea of the mouth is for fame whoredom only.

    • wouldn’t that be something. the way this trial has been handled I doubt it would matter. lol

  156. Is anyone from this site going on Dr. Drew tonight? He was asking for supporters to call in, but I would worry about anything I say being twisted. I guess I am too much of a chicken.

    • I called the number Lynae gave (There is a woman taking calls right now live just Call 1-855-DrDrew5 if you want a chance to speak on the show tonight!!!!) and it’s not a working number. I would call if I knew the number.

    • i would doubt Dr Drew has any supporters on this site after what he has said about Jodi

    • I called in and I just said something short and sweet and a girl took the message and that was it. I’m surprised Lynae may get a call back. That would be awesome.

      • Guess I will have to actually watch tonight and see if he actually lets Jodi supporters say anything without cutting them off!

    • i am afraid how they work on HLN is they get 100’s of calls and then hand pick two or three they want so they can twist it around to there way of thinking or some one they can ridicule on air

  157. I have wondered whether Nurmi or PD investigators – before Jodi was convinced to change stories – ever interviewed Ashley Reed Thompson. I wondered if it led to her death.

    At one point a few weeks ago, I could have sworn I had heard Nurmi ask Flores a question about Ashley (and JM jumped to object, of course) but I guess I must have dreamt it because I went back through testimony and never found it.

    • I don’t know, but I do find suicide to be very questionable in light of this whole escapade.

    • Journee, Ashley called in an anonymous tip that her husband, Dustin, may have been involved. The police traced the number back to her so called her in and questioned her (pretending they didn’t know she was the anonymous caller). She offered no info until they confronted her with the knowledge that she called in the tip. She said she was mistaken and just thought her husband (or ex, I guess) had been acting ‘weird’ so she thought he may have been involved. The police never questioned him due to scheduling conflicts. (really, b.s. shoddy police work.) Anyway, that is how I understand it. I could be wrong.

      BTW, I posted above… did anyone see that the AZ supreme court said they will not review the appeal today? Does this mean they go to SCOTUS?

      • I know about the anonymous call. That’s why I wondered if Nurmi or a case investigator had talked to her, when they were still trying to build a case for the intruders.

    • I agree. I have wondered if anyone has investigated The Hughes, The Alexanders, The Mormon Missionaries that so conveniently came to see Jodi…too many to name. This family is from the cult well known for lying, cheating, scamming and doing anything for their own regardless of right or wrong… Anytime the LDS is involved, there’s something that’s just not quite right…just sayin.

  158. Oh man Dr Douche is on at 9. I convinced myself I was going to do a bunch of stuff at 9. You know how you do that so you can put it off a little longer? So I’d better do stuff now so I can watch. I haven’t had HLN on and I won’t until Jodi is back.

    Lyane, I’ll be saying prayers and sending good thoughts your way so the Holy Spirit or whoever you believe in can give you the words to blow them off their chairs tonight if you get called!!!!!!!!!!!! I’ll probably be able to check in before then. But just in case I’m wishing you luck now!!

  160. I was just watching an episode of a crime show about Stacey Castor. That woman is just nuts. She murdered two of her husbands. When the detectives started suspecting her, she then tried to kill her daughter and make it look like a suicide so she could frame her. Even during her trial she was still trying to put the blame on her daughter. Despicable. She was only charged with second degree murder and second degree attempted murder.

  162. Re Sup. Ct denial of review, Michael Kiefer wrote, if a new jury is empaneled and it sentences Arias to life in prison, the issue will become moot. If it sentences her to death, the question of probable cause on the cruelty aggravator could be raised again on appeal.

    • court said no jurisdiction right now — probably because no death decision.

      I hear rumors that it is unlikely another jury will be impaneled and Jodi will get life. Good on the one hand, but maybe worse in terms of appeals. With death penalty there has to be appeal.

    • Damn. Y’all are gonna make me watch that a$$hole, just to be supportive of you.

      If I end up throwing something at the TV because of the way he and the bimbos talk about y’all, where do I send the bill?

    • You are going to do so good! Don’t let them egg you on. We are smarter than the smartest person that works at HLN!!! 🙂

  164. I wonder if the dr drew phone has caller id because that woman didn’t ask me for my number, lol

    • Oh don’t say that bc she didn’t ask for my number too and I thought I was in the clear and now I’m nervous LOL!!!!!!!!! 🙂

      • I’m 33 and it’s 2013 am I the only human on the Earth who forgets about caller ID????????????

      • I’m serious. I call people and they call me back and I’m like how did you get my number? They’re like caller ID. I forget my cell isn’t blocked but my home phone is. I swear I’m not meant for this decade. I was meant to live in the 60s and 70s. I still listen to albums LOL.

        • I wonder who his guests will be tonight,,,,hope they’re not too mean. Actually I don’t really care.

  166. OK, so there’s one thing yall can say. You can correct what Shanna Hogan just said. SHE said the AZ Supreme Court RULED today that Flores didn’t commit perjury.

    They declined to review the case, right? That means NO ruling, right?

  167. Holy mother of God. I just heard on T.V. that there is a movie coming out on Lifetime about Jodi and the trial. How on earth can this be????? She has a retrial coming up. I cannot believe this crap.

    • SD……

      The movie is called “Dirty Little Secret” and it is going to SUCK!! They had it all set to go for when the verdict came in . When that happened they completed filming.

      I for one will NOT be watching it. I think it’s very distasteful.

      • The trial isn’t even over. How can they even film it without knowing what the TRUE outcome will be. This is the worst mess of a trial I have ever seen!!!!!!

  168. Thank you, Dr. Drew! Never thought I would say that & I still can’t stand the guy, but at least he just acknowledged that we have the right to speak our opinion just like everyone else. He did say Jodi supporters are “stepping into the lion den” though. lol

  169. That woman on there looked completely shocked that Jodi has supporters though. Really? She’s acting like NG now.

  170. drew is calling Jodi supporters intriguing and that his panel will not agree with them. I get the feeling that we would have received a call if we were going to be on. Wonder if it will even be real people with real questions or just the normal shills

  172. No, I can’t get through. I once tried to get through to NG and once they learned what I had to say, i was cut off pretty quickly. Pathetic pieces of so-called journalism. Ugh!

  173. Diane Schwartz needs to get a fucking life-just go away-how did the defense wind up with this jury, didn’t they have money for a jury consultant. I have never seen a group of jurors with lower IQ’s in my life-this group did not have the brain power to analyze the evidence.

  174. If any of these jurors had ever considered the actual evidence instead of the rantings of a madman(JM) or a madwoman(NG) as the case may be, then Jodi would be a free woman today. This Tara cow needs a twitter intervention. Sounds like she eats, sleeps and snorts tweets. I bet she blows tweets out her ass when she uses the bathroom too. Hey ‘Terror’ can you say ‘I’m a pathetic needy bitch who can only get attention by dissing Jodi, who is so much prettier and smarter than I could ever be’? Keep it up homegirl. And the more I think about this theory of the killing that I never believed anyway the crazier it sounds. They want us to buy that Jodi morphed into Super Jodi and accomplished these superhuman feats in a matter of 30 minutes or less!! Domino’s can’t even deliver in that time anymore!! I say after Jodi’s appeal the next goal should be to Get Shawty, That would be Juan. He should be wearing orange and picking up cans on the side of the road somewhere.

    • OMG!! Than you SO MUCH GWEN!! That’s just for you being YOU!!
      That was PERFECTLY stated, and as ALWAYS, left me LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!

  175. They think Jodi lovers aren’t odd and insightful!

    They aren’t reading this website!

    I love Jodi bc I want to secretly murder?????????????????

      • LOL I know, right? Their reasons for people supporting Jodi are just plain ridiculous. Apparently we’re fulfilling our secret desire to kill through Jodi or we’re all enchanted by her and therefore can’t see the truth. ROFL! Ludicrous!

        • “Secret desire to kill”….LOL. No, that would be the Death Eater jurors. I don’t even kill bugs.

      • That was Dr. Drew says LOL I’m a lesbian, with no insight, who secretly wants to murder someone!
        Then he said I was crazy.

        Look Dr Douche, I’m not a lesbian and I have no insight. The rest wellllllllllll LOL

    • that was me, they really didnt even address what i said did they. I had my tv sound off.

      • I noticed that. Of course they didn’t address what you said because you were spot on and they couldn’t dispute it. ha!

      • I thought that was you because I remember you mentioned what you were going to say. You go girl!!! I noticed you talked fast. I figured you were scared they were going to cut you off. lol

  178. i just got on but they really rushed me so that woman could spew her crap…..I was linda by the way

    • ok am recording it so i skip through the crap , good luck to those that make on will watch later

    • You were great! But then Jenny (I think) said it was just a guy being a guy. If that’s a guy being a guy and not abuse then God help us all.

    • they rushed me to….and they try to coach you…..Great jo! I had so many things I wanted to say.

      • I know…..that woman rewrote my first sentence,,,lol ….here’s what i wanted to say.

        It’s my contention Travis was a conman and womanizer, made out to be a saint that hid behind his religion and treated Jodi like trash. They were involved in a twisted obsessive relationship and Jodi is not the evil entity the media and shills have made her out to be. This whole trial has been nothing more than a modern day witch hunt!!

        • I heard you, Lynae…as I was writing my “how do I deal with my depression over this injustice and the way victims of abuse are being painted by these psychos on HLN.” I heard you and got excited and I was SO PISSED what they said after.

  179. I got through!!! I was so nervous and didnt get to say what I wanted….but I said the jurors were biased and making comments on twitter and facebook. That I hoped she won an appeal!

    • I wanted to tell them off but there was a time delay…. Forgive me guys for not doing better.

      • I thought you did a really good job! You were very calm and very clear and they’re all just idiots, but we knew that!

      • Awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!! Did you say they were biased after opening arguments?

      • You were awesome! They were expecting raving, drooling lunatics.. They all seemed surprised you all sounded so normal! They had to scramble to come up with bullshit responses.

    • I thought that was you too. 😀 Loved the comment about juror 17 saying she had Jodi convicted from opening statements.

      • thanks….lol I was getting mad listening to them talk smack about what kinda freak you have to be to support Jodi.

    • You got credit for intellectual! That was from Dr. Drew before the others started rewriting history and eventually figuring out how o keep people who think like you off the jury.

  180. You ALL that made it on were just great ! I would have been nervous as hell!

    Of cours, thye are twisting our right to our opinion as “something wrong” with US !! LOL

    but it sure was good to finally hear some truth on that station!

    • thanks, i was nervous….don’t know why…..I’m going to watch the show when it airs again later tonight.

  182. You guys were awesome and you sounded really good and made smart comments!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YAY

    You rocked it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  183. I am going to break my HLN ban are record Dr Drewsome. You actually made it thru to comment? Woohoo!! I am proud of y’all. Surprised you weren’t cut off mid-sentence though but go girls!

    • Dang it! I missed it. Wonder if I can see it again tonight or later? Way to go, girlssssssssss!

  184. Thanks everyone….it was good to say something positive towards Jodi! She is getting a messed up deal here….we gotta help her.

    • That’s the truth….She has been more demonized than just about anyone I can remember….Nobody gets this upset over a twisted love affair. They have really hyped this thing up and I don’t see it going away anytime soon. Even if she had killed him in a premed manner( I don’t believe she did)I would still support her and believe the death penalty was not warranted. This is just sick and somebody or a lot of somebody’s are making a lot of $$$

      • ITA, Lynae.

        I don’t know why this case matters so much to the haters. I understand why it matters to the people who post here – so many women are battered and treated like they are to blame for what happens to them, and they have done the same thing to Jodi. Even if Jodi were mentally disturbed, she still doesn’t deserve to be treated like that. Even if she premeditated the killing, which I don’t believe either, she still deserves a fair trial. There was no reason for the hideous sexist attacks against her, and all female abuse victims. The media has taken this story and ran with it to make political anti-woman statements.

      • I have never seen this before either on this scale. The Casey Anthony case was bad enough….they totally convicted her too. Fortunately justice prevailed in her case. No evidence of murder…no conviction!. Too bad this did not happen in Florida. In Florida they have intelligent jurors.

      • I have never seen this before either on this scale. The Casey Anthony case was bad enough….they totally convicted her too. Fortunately justice prevailed in her case. No evidence of murder…no conviction!. Too bad this did not happen in Florida. In Florida they have intelligent jurors. I would understand if this was a baby raping torturing mass murderer….but this is not so. We have a young woman who never did anything wrong. Its bs.

  185. Wow – Didn’t know Dr Dumbass Duhrew and his posse were ordained as God to sit in judgement of those of us who support justice, hence Jodi. Never ceases to amaze me just how low they manage to go. Unreal – and they say all of us are crazy?? What a joke!

    Good evening peeps !

    • Screw Drew Pinsky. I don’t even call him Dr anymore, he doesn’t deserve it. He’s sat there and hysterically flailed his arms around for the last five months screaming what a monster Jodi is, and he calls US crazy? Please! He’s the epitome of reactionary, neurotic misogyny.

      • MB-
        Drew is all that plus some. I think he is the most vile of all the HLN talking heads, as he poses as a physician to prey on those who are not savy enough to know he is a scammer just taking whatever side will give him the highest ratings and therefore the most money.

        The only reason he had Jodi supporters on tonite, was so his two bit psychologists on his panel could make all supporters out to be mentally deficient or disturbed. The gist of thier worthless diagnosis of a Jodi supporter was that we are either in love or infatuated with Jodi, we somehow relate to her because of our own murderous desires that we haven’t acted upon, and that we think men are bad. More disgusting BS and misuse of the practice of Psychology and Medicine.

        I wouldn’t give him or any of the rest of the crazies on HLN a minute of my time on air. I am however certain that their staff peruse these sites, so I will take this opportunity to tell them that none of their disgraceful and irresponsible diagnosis of this Jodi supporter is true. I am educated and intelligent, am neither in love with or mezmorized by Jodi, I don’t hate men, and most importantly I recognize all your disgusting antics for what they are: selling out of your professions and integrity for ratings and money.

        • See, now I didn’t see the point in going on his show because I knew he’d say exactly that. He’d just read-repeat what the abusers on the Internet were saying, so how dare he present himself as a nice guy professional.

          It’s ironic how they talk about us being man haters, when everything that’s ever come out of HLN is slew of misogynistic bullshit – from men and women alike. They’ve called Jodi everything Travis called her and them some, and they think *we* are the ones with the gender disparity problem? Puleeze. I have yet to see anyone here ever talk about men, or having a problem with men, so that’s a bullshit “diagnosis” on their part.

          There are plenty of men who comment here, who aren’t mortified or feel threatened when a woman says “I am a person, so treat me like one.” Is there THAT much of a problem with a woman standing up for her rights that she automatically gets labeled as a man hater? Oh come on!! These are the same people who say that women who don’t leave abusive relationships must deserve to be abused, but if a woman has self worth then she is a man hater? Why don’t they come out and just tell women that no matter what they do, they will be condemned.

          I had to LOL at the “murderous rage” thing. Aren’t they the ones who want to see Jodi get the death penalty? So what do they think that makes them?

          Everything they’ve said is a projection and a reversal of how they truly feel. They are the ones who are bloodthirsty and hate half the planet and get a hard on by the idea of a woman dying. They are death eating misogynist pigs, every last one of them. Including the women.

  186. That disgusting HLN….Now they have their fake jury sitting in judgment on the Martin vs Zimmerman trial. Maybe they can instigate a race war over this one…..

    • Can you believe these a-holes. Just go on to the next case. Starting the same chyt all over again!!!!

      • Moni – they are such tools! Pure hate mongers, that lot of folks at HLN. Unfricking real!

  187. I sent an email to the “good Dr” saying that I thought that HLN was dangerous and that they incite hate and anger with their coverage because it is based purely on conjecture, innuendo ,speculation and opinions and has nothing to do with the law. I sen them the link to the clip from The Newsroom about Nancy Grace too.

  188. Good evening, everybody! I hope that all is well with all of you. I finally got back my Internet, cable and phone access after 1/2 a day without it. It is so cool to see some of you proudly displaying your “Survivor” t-shirts. And, the “Cat’s Eye” print by Jodi is gorgeous! One of her best IMHO.

    I don’t know about y’all, but I have not watched HLN since the verdict last week. I literally get nauseous whenever I see that channel anymore and I’m not trying to sound mean when I say this, but I have absolutely no use for any of those people on there. The way that they have treated Jodi and her family, there’s just no excuse for it at all.

    I always say that “like attracts like” and you can tell a lot about someone by whom they surround themselves with. You look at Jodi’s side and you see quiet, unassuming, good people that are reluctant to be in the limelight unless they think it will help Jodi. Then you look at Travis’s side and you see opportunistic, greedy hypocrites that are all about money and fame. Is it any wonder why they love Travis so much? Just an interesting contrast there.

  189. Really glad you two gals phoned Dr. Dunce and got on the show. I missed it but will watch it at
    9 p.m. Pacific time. A few weeks ago they had so many calls, they would only take anti Jodi calls. Now that things have slowed a bit,, they are obviously willing to take other calls. It’s all about ratings I have to say. I am disappointed but not surprised that the appeal filed by the defense re the aggravation phase and the conflictual evidence of Flores and the ME didn’t make it in the Supreme Court. It will come up in appeal though I am sure. I really hope the state does not go through all this crap again for the DP. Even though it would mean there isn’t an automatic appeal, I believe there are enough errors to wallpaper the bathroom at least. So she would get an appeal. But who knows for sure what happens in the court of the OK corral in Arizona.

  190. I enjoyed the speakers that got through tonight on Dr. Drew. I thought the visible talking heads were morons, but the callers were quite bright! Glad those of you who called in were able to get an intelligent voice out there.

  191. ROCK ON GIRLS!!!!!!!!!!!!. Two from our group getting a say is incredible. Having grin ache . . tickled beyond words . Proud of you. Waiting to hear it on repeat after showbiz and wow . . they’re saying it’s time to stop the hate on the jurors. Hope they know it’s the ta clan that’s spewing hate toward the jurors that didn’t give them their way. Caryn Kelley was acquitted . .Florida case .. wellll now kinda shows azzona is a problem .. Zimmerman-Martin .. too much testosterone in that case for me lol

    • wow I was captured then let down by the first part of that then started on the answer, lmao . . Who initiated the comment pretty much snitched themselves out telling the errors in investigation, testimony and obvious bias then blames the defense in the last paragraph. I was like huh??? Now the attorney answers, isn’t bias, could care less who is involved, just using the subjects asked about and just tells it like it is . Some wrong minded people out there lol

    • I went to the link in strikelawyer’s response to Guilty’s comment and read the Trial Minute Entry re Motion for New Finding of Probable Cause on Aggra. factor, Day 12. On pg 6, the Court stated that the defendant told police the victim was unconscious after being shot but crawled around and was stabbed. Did Jodi ever say this, where is this coming from?

      • no, will look for it . . maybe in the meantime a response will come up for the newer “theory” someone added. Apparently someones fishing.

  193. Michaela and Lynae,
    You two were FANTASTIC on Dr Drew!!! I loved what you said and how you said it! Fabulous job, ladies! I am very proud!!! And take notice that they were unable to rip apart your comments! That said it all!!! 🙂

    • Really Gwen,
      I went against my ban from HLN to hear Micheala and Lynae, but it was worth it
      and yes inteligent. 🙂
      They aren’t used to that..

      Mark asshole just shook his head and said there will be people like this on the jury.
      WE HOPE Mark!

      First he asked Dr. doodoobird Do You know how much flack you’re getting for this????
      Shows BIG TIME BIAS And that asshole also is a defense attorney. WTF, is with them.
      Are they getting wimpy???
      Where have they all gone?

      I thought he said this show, which I thought he meant the hour that we were going to get
      to hear from Jodi supporters. I was sure happy. They quit after listening to
      Micheala and Lynae.
      I guess that shows they were going to get more phone calls that made sense and CARED for Jodi.

      Shows we were right all along, They SCREEN the calls. That’s why we never hear any support for Jodi.
      Thanks Mcheala and Lynea. : )

    • It could if they decide to play the race card. Which, I believe, is not beneath the bastards at HLN. They will do anything for ratings.

      • They’ll definitely play the race card.:-( You’re gonna have all the agitators too like Sharpton and Spike Lee stirring up BS!

      • Yep. They’ll blow the Zimmerman case up to epic proportions just so they have something to talk about.

  195. I pray they have enough sense not to fan the flames in the Zimmerman trial. I lived in LA during the Rodney King riots. It was bad in LA, but there were riots in other cities. Now with social media and the way this country is feeling, it could easily turn into a nationwide riot when the verdict comes down. When people have nothing left to lose, they lose it, and Americans are more armed than they were 20 years ago.

    • I agree, but that’s just it – HLN doesn’t give a shit how their coverage affects the lives of average Americans. The privileged assholes get to hide behind their cameras in their air conditioned sets and go home to gated communities where they don’t have to worry about the payback.

      The rest of us are left to deal with the shitstorm they’ve created. There’s probably a ton of domestic violence victims out there getting beat up and raped more than ever before, thanks to their slanted coverage. I find it unforgivable that they have no foresight to consider the consequences of their propaganda.

      • Well said, MB. But I would submit that they DO have the foresight to consider the consequences; they just don’t give a shit. The days of the responsible journalist have long since past. Now “responsible journalist” is an oxymoron. They don’t care much for the truth because the funny thing about the truth is it tends to get in the way of their ratings.

    • They will fan the flames. I predict they take a very active stance for the Prosecution in this case. They will do so quickly. They will not pay any attention to the facts of the case as they unfold. At this time I do not know the facts, but they do not care about facts. They like to create drama and dissension. They do not want people to think for themselves. Most HLN viewers will quickly be mimicking their stance, because HLN is their brain.

  196. Just heard you 2 on Drew and you were awesome. Too bad they seem to be a bunch of idiots who just dont get it. as to the guest who said travis did try to get away, please inform me as to how. if travis really wanted to get away from jodi then he should have abstained from sex with her being you all think jodi was the instigator. it takes 2 to tango if one says NO then there is no tango. he portrayed himself as a mormon virgin but oh i am sorry boys will be boys if its there for the taking then why not take it. the exact point i am trying to make, if he was all that and then some next to God mormon then he should have been stronger than that and not given in to his temptations no matter what was dangling in from on him. but we all know he was not all that he was a hypocrite and definitely not a virgin. my opinion counts just as much as the opposing side and i would rather have someone like me or anyone here who has an open mind and a kind heart to be on a jury should i be accused of something.

    • Thank you!!!

      If Travis were trying to get away from her, why did he call Jodi up and refused to take no for an answer until she was willing to go see him?

      If Travis were trying to get away from her, why didn’t he let her go after she moved back to Yreka?

      If Travis were trying to get away from her, why did he continue to call, text, and have sex with Jodi?

      I’m so sick of the excuses they make for Travis. We know Jodi made a mistake in going to Travis’ house that night, but at least we know WHY she made that mistake. Because he was still in her head, exploiting her feelings for him so he could continue to use her. So why did he do all those things? He had just as much responsibility to stop seeing Jodi, in fact even moreso because he was the dominant one in the relationship. It was up to him to lead by example, as he had put himself in a position of authority to do so.

      Putting responsibility of abuse victims to make their perpetrator stop is delusional. It is the abuser’s responsibility to stop abusing. If Travis really wanted to be a better person, he would have apologized to Jodi, and stopped using her sexually.

      • That is the thing about perpetrators. Even when the victim leaves they do not leave them alone.

      • I am sick of it too. He was the one who introduced himself to her brought her into an occult religion and led her in every direction but the right one. and yes, agreed, he was to lead by example.

    • Kind hearts and an appreciation for the human condition can never be over rated. We are living in a very judgmental society.I agree with you, and I like your name. Enough is Enough.

      • thank you rebecca64 Sometimes i have to wonder if its judgemental or just plain out evil.

  197. I just watched Dr. spew and I heard Lynae and Michaele’s comments and was glad they got on. They did well. We all know that the show itself would be anti Jodi but it was refreshing to get a couple of important comments about Jodi and to point out the bias by some of the jurors. It all helps. Media is powerful whether we like it or not, so to get another view presented by callers is a good thing even if they don’t get much air time.

    • I read your comment and thought, wow, great but you failed to comment on what was said about their comments by the so called expert panel, thank you Eden for telling the full story, so Media is powerful but only to enforce their biased agenda, darn it, I thought finally someone who knows what it really is like gets through but then they tear them down,

  198. Are you guys hearing this shit about “basking in the narcissistic glow” and “What kind of person supports Jodi?” We are misunderstood and victimized by the victims and how Jodi gives expression to “their own murderous impulses.” Donavan is enchanted by Jodi. She “drank her Koolaid.” When is someone going to call in to this asshole Dr. Drew and tell him to f* off! I’ve written many times and tried to discuss it. Nothing. Then a few people DID call in and said she didn’t get a fair trial because their comments suggested they were biased before the evidence was even presented. Now they are talking about screening out by the folks like the callers as jurors because they are identifying with a murderer. Then when someone said Travis was sick and used her they said “Travis was just a guy.” Yea, nice. Normalize sexualized violence and rape and fantasizing sex with young girls as “just a guy.” I know I should just not watch, but I can’t freaking help it. I’m waiting for this to come down and blow open to right this wrong and unjust and just plain unacceptable behavior. Now he’s covering stories he can call the woman “another Jodi Arias.” It’s just not right. That woman who called in and said she was a victim of violence at the hand of a man like Travis, one of them suggested she was a man-hater and that “victims” are actually offended by her. So basically they dismissed this woman as a victim and that is a horrible thing to do to someone. Why not boycott those crap ass psychologists he has on there and make sure no one goes to them for help unless they want to be told they are man haters, not victims.

    I don’t even know how to deal with my anger and disgust anymore. I’m always pissed off and I don’t understand why people can’t hold media accountable and have no recourse. Occupy HLN obvious isn’t working so much. It’s exposing their crap, yes, but where is the accountability. It’s making me very depressed. Jesus, women in this country have to fight off abusers, stalkers, harassers and are beaten, raped, and chopped up every few MINUTES. But fantasies about raping her and tying her to a tree to humiliate her are NORMAL. WTF?!!!!!! So upsetting.

    • Always remember Drew is NOT a psychiatrist, he is an internist. He is overstepping his knowledge. I laugh at him in terms so his pretending to understand human behavior. Because Jodi has been convicted does not mean she is not a victim. No one is identifying with a murderer. We have compassion and believe she was protecting herself. Do not let him play with your head.

      • Oh it’s not him playing with my head. I’m a trained psychologist and know he is not a psychiatrist. I’ve written over a half dozen complaints and even demanded he make that statement on his show EVERY NIGHT. It’s the ethical thing to do. It’s not just him. It’s the people who DO have degrees and licensure as psychologists! They were the ones using “man hater,” and every quote I said up there, they weren’t made by Dr. Drew–they were made by the psychologists. They don’t have glowing reputations as clinicians either. They are “celeb docs” and “media shrinks.” They are all being unethical, and it’s not right. It’s not about playing with MY head. I know his game. I taught and researched women and violence for over a decade, and I have also suffered emotional and sexual abuse in a relationship a lot like the one Jodi had with Travis. I also did not leave for a while even though I knew I was in trouble. I’m tired of hearing this shit from his “behavior panel” and that was my point–I’m tired of him passing himself off as the behavior “expert” when he is not qualified or credentialed in any way. He’s a dangerous man and he’s got himself a cult following that is completely unacceptable to me.

    • OH my gosh, really? That makes me so sad that they are behaving that way towards abused women, calling them man haters? I dont hat men, I just dont like them to hit me or call me names, the other day they were talking about how the foreman said she was emotionally and verbally abused but NOT physically abused, so that was not as bad, is what they implied. I personally think verbal and mental abuse is the worst, it goes on and on and you cannot block out the words while the bruises eventually fade the words will never ever leave your mind, it is crazy how they all have become and you see how biased they are, they have not had the jurors on that went for life, not one of them because that does not fit their agenda and the hate and rage THEY have displayed, what is wrong with THEM?

      • Verbal abuse leaves deep and lasting wounds. The man hater move is the oldest passive aggressive trick in the world. It is used to make victims feel guilty and the underlying message is “shut up.”

        • Exactly Rebecca.

          I think everyone should know by now that Pinsky is NOT a psychiatrist. He is an internal medicine physician. Basic general medicine practice. He has zero qualifications or credentials to diagnose or even throw labels around. He uses his special training in addiction MEDICINE as a way to skirt around that…BUT…that specialization qualifies him to evaluate someone for SUBSTANCE ABUSE or other addictive behaviors–NOT to do therapy. He is qualified to run detox and rehab programs. You can look up his bio and review his professional and educational background.

          That’s not the only problem though. People still take his word because he is very articulate and has declared himself fascinated by human. He SOUNDS like he knows it all, but it’s just pretty words and big ones that fool his viewers. What is even more disturbing is that he does plant a Psy.D. and a Ph.D. among his little cohorts. They ARE qualified, but as I am a trained psychologist, I can tell you that a Psy.D. is not carry much weight. It’s getting better, but it’s really just a way to cut out a lot of requirements the Ph.D. requires to become a practicing psychologist (some don’t practice therapy, they just research in labs and/or behavioral research). Psy.D.s have way less credits they need to fulfill the degree requirements and their focus is on doing the crap needed to hang a shingle. The education is not as complete. That doesn’t mean they can’t be great therapists, but it isn’t as solid a background as a Ph.D. A licensed Ph.D. takes years and years first of sitting in classrooms and taking exams and dissertation. Then you have an additional couple plus years of supervision and testing to get a license. Neither can prescribe medicine. A psychiatrist can be trained to do psychotherapy but that requires them to go through the same stuff a Ph.D. does. They can’t just do it. They are strictly medical doctors and they are the ones who prescribe the pills, or get people off drugs as the case may be.

          So the people on Dr. Drew who said all those things about “man hating” and “identifying with a murderer,” those people were the psychologists. Not Dr. Drew. He was just enthusiastically agreeing and giving his stamp of approval. That’s a very big problem.

          The other problem I have is that these psychologists obviously have ZERO specialized training in working with victims of domestic violence or abuse. They had one woman who came on who claims she works with victims and that Jodi was just a big fat liar and insulting to “real” victims, so honestly, it’s not hard to find anyone who will say that shit.

          Any professional who works with women who’ve been abused who can go on t.v. and call Jodi a liar and an insult to “real” victims should be stripped of whatever license they have. I’ve dealt with tons of counselors who are just plain sexist and victim blamers and they are licensed professionals, but usually it’s because they don’t have a clue and could care less about understanding women’s experiences.

          The more you talk about this shit, the more and more you can unravel it and it’s just a very dangerous show with very dangerous people.

    • I hear you Eden, I feel your pain.

      Did you know that Drew Pinksy is in fact NOT a psychologist? He’s a doctor of internal medicine with a certificate to treat addiction. Yet he presents himself as this nice guy psychologist. My mom thought he was a psychiatrist until I explained it to her! He is such a phony, in so many ways.

      And they are so stupid that they don’t realize that we don’t identify with Jodi because she killed Travis. We identify with Jodi because she is a victim of abuse and we understand what she went through, and we aren’t blinded by hate and revenge so we see that she is a good person with a lot to offer society.

      But because Drew and his zoo of pedo-huggers identify with Travis and his entitlement to dominate others, they assume we identify with Jodi because she was forced to defend herself. Uh no, that was never the point, so they are projecting big time. They are identifying with a man who was a misogynist, an abuser, and a religious fraud. In other words, they want to have the same privilege Travis had to abuse and take advantage of others, and lets face it the man admits he raped his girlfriend on tape and thinks twelve year olds are hot; and one would assume most normal people would recoil at those things.

      So HLN has basically outed themselves as woman haters and domineering aggressors, and like Travis and his cult of followers, they are too dense to realize it. They are the ones getting all hot and heavy to see a woman put to death – a trait I only recognized in serial killers until now. Why should I believe they are less of a danger to society than the Green River Killer?

      • Dr. Drew is whatever type of Dr. he wants to be on any given day. I’ve even heard him hold forth as an expert in child psychology and the procedures of Protective Services, as in, “we call it…blah, blah, blah…..” He is only a “Dr. Du Jour”.

        Can you imagine the horror if you were waiting in an examining room and he walked in with your chart?

      • Dr. Drew is a fucking joke and a famewhore. Five dead celebrity clients…way to go, prick.

    • Yes ! an there are no comments hardly for those that are for Jodi really. But if that were a Travis
      deal it would be on fire. Really only about 2 or 3 haters in the comments so that is a lot better than
      ever before? but maybe they are all in bed too.

      That clip made me really sick and very mad ! I don’t watch HLN anymore because of what they
      all did to Jodi an they put a LABEL on everyone. When I look at them I truly think they are the
      sick ONES laughing an joking an having a MOCK JURY about Jodi ? they think it is funny?
      WTH is wrong with them? I am no doctor but I think they are all on DRUGS of some kind!

      On one hand they oh get so serious about Travis how horrific bla bla bla an then laugh an
      joke the very same sentence even about Jodi ? they DISGUST ME ! as much at the Travis
      Taliban does.

      The labels they pump out for Jodi Supporters are quite frankly the LABELS they should be
      wearing not ME or YOU an anyone on this page.

    • I look forward to the day that HLN is forced to run a warning label on the bottom of the screen:
      “This television network is licensed to broadcast entertainment content only”.

      Those jerks think everyone takes their idiotic posturing seriously. As if!

  199. I came out to my living room and my 16 and 19 year old sons were watching HLN and I asked them what they thought, the juror that thought she was being so cute with the question, barf, about lying was on and saying she voted for death, I said to them, do you think she deserved the death penalty? They both said no and my 16 year old said, that guy had to do something to her to make her do that, so I explained a little bit of what I have learned and it was great to have them say that

    • Out of the mouth of babes often comes wisdom. God bless their kindness and compassion.

    • My son said “thats kinda harsh” and “its not like shes a serial killer” when I told him the jury was deliberating (last week) on the DP.

      • Trixels,

        How are you dear? How are things are on the home front?

        My daughter said the same thing ” that she’s not a serial killer” …. I tried to explain about LWOP and the DP … telling here this bunch isn’t the brightest that want the DP for her………

        Revenge , hate, distruction, vicious, vile, etc will never bring back TA…. or their other family members…. This family needs serious therapy………..!!!!! 24/7

    • Oh, also make sure you like most of the well liked posts there as well.

      Quick method : if it already has some likes, give it another.

    • 20 comments we are not that strong I posted a bunch ! Alabama McGuire is seen on there for sure.
      But really not too many haters just a couple they must all be in bed ?

      • I am afraid I do not have FB nor do I want one, I do not think it is bad as far as voicing opinions for causes but I am old school when it comes to interactions not much else anyway I prefer face to face or phone contact, I have been coming around and enjoying posting on this board and have come to truly care for you all. I do not like letters are cards cause of the environment so with that I prefer email or care2cards. And I do not have cable, so if Dr DewDrop wants to know who else supports Jodi, we are people who do not buy in to the latest trends so easily, we do not need the constant attention or feedback that FB and Twitter gives to people. we prefer to read rather than always watch the news and choose our sources, and there are many of us.

  201. hln is saying Jodi supporters want to piggyback on Jodi’s fame and Notoriety. I know that is not my goal. I think it sounds more like the talking heads on hln.

    • Well right, who exactly has made the most money and the most notoriety from this case? HLN and their fame whores, so they have no business even pointing the finger at us. If anyone here will become famous, it’s because HLN created the platform for that; and they knew people would come out in support of Jodi so they are asking at most a rhetorical question that they are responsible for. Maybe they should be asking why they are creating celebrities out of thin air; knowing full well it was never wanted or asked for by those they now point the finger at. So what is their point exactly? “Wah wah Team Jodi is more popular than we are”? This would have never happened if they had a different plan of programming five months ago.

      I feel bad for Donovan – the attacks against her have been relentless and all she’s ever done is support Jodi.

  202. I’m longwinded so this post is probably not as brief as it should be. I won’t be posting here anymore after this, so I hope I can be forgiven one last time for my long posts. I want to say that I’m not posting this so that some of you will ask me to stay or to cause any more drama (than I’ve apparently already caused). I didn’t want to disappear without saying a word, although I thought about doing just that and knew some would wonder where I went. But my intention is not to cause any conflict (I’ll discuss more on intentions in a moment). Please read this only if you’re interested, and then move on. There is still much to fight for, for Jodi’s sake.

    I have really enjoyed many intelligent wonderful discussions with so very many of you, and I thank you all for putting up with me here. I owe SJ and the moderators a debt of incredible gratitude also for all their generousity and kindness, most especially SJ for creating this site in the first place.

    I sincerely apologize that some have been very bothered by my posts and have considered some things I have said snarky and even underhanded. I was very surprised to hear that because I did not realize how my words could be taken. I also apologize that my comments about the defense have been considered very arrogant as if I knew better than them. I also apologize for being repetitive and creating situations where you have all had to bear with me, for seeming overly dramatic, and for writing posts so long they seem like a draft for Gone With The Wind. Brevity has NEVER been my strong point unfortunately, and it’s apparently something I need to work on.

    I think that if you knew me in real life, and could hear my voice, adjectives like snarky, underhanded or arrogant would not be attributed to describe me. But the written word is interpreted as it’s interpreted, and apparently, I have not come across well or as I intended. I really really don’t like upsetting people at all. It’s actually something I try hard not to do. But I have failed once again. Perhaps my ex was right about me, at least some of the time. That’s something I need to give more thought to.

    After a great deal of thought and discussion with others, I do feel I was unfairly bullied by someone who threatened to leave because that person did not like what I have to say. I offered to leave instead but was told I was then being dramatic. In truth, I guess we both were being dramatic, but I just wanted peace, although I may not have handled it well. I run from conflict because it upsets me so.

    None of the above were my intentions, but as the old saying goes, the road to hell is paved with good intentions. This happened outside of the public site so please, don’t point fingers or place blame towards anyone but me. This is my fault, my issue, no one else’s.

    Some of you have been in contact with me outside the site and I hope you will continue to remain in touch. There are some others of you who I would love to remain in contact with. Perhaps SJ would be so kind as to connect us if that’s something you would also like.

    By a stroke of luck, my Cat’s Eye is on its way which excites me, so I will have it to remember this site always. I will continue to hope the best for Jodi in my heart, of course. Thank you all again for allowing me the privilege of great discussion with great people. I wish you all the very best. Hugs and blessings.

    And again, a special thank you to the amazing moderators for all you do, and to SJ for creating this site in the first place. May you all be especially blessed in life.

    • DON’T GO AWAY ((((( AA )))) THIS IS WHAT THE HATERS WANT they want us to attack each other and to be seen no more and what is said here is either good or bad but things must be said in order to make since of the injustice done to Jodi I cant mend hurt feeling between other but if we let this destroy what we have accomplished then the damn haters have won think about this and take some time off but do not say gone forever your insight into the legal stuff has help me when I asked what the hell does that mean and I like when other like minded people that see the law or know about it discuss it with you and we can see what is being said. I’m like you have my feeling hurt to but It did not stop me from being here for Jodi and that is what this site is for anyway. Hold you head up and take the words that hurt you and file it somewhere in your computer under we will get over it and move forward I WILL SAY THIS FOR YOU THE DEFENSE TEAM DID WHAT THEY DID GOOD OR BAD now that is said lets move toward things that will help in the next step to keep Jodi from the DP for the Hughes and the Travis clan are still out for her blood.

    • I don’t want to see anyone leave, but just know if you come back it will be to open arms.

      Take care <3

    • Also Abused,

      I almost stopped reading after the third paragraph to say, WTF? I couldn’t imagine what you are referring to. I love your long-winded posts. (Mine aren’t exactly short either and I cut them a lot, lol.) I’ve learned more from you here than just about anybody.

      I’ve been waiting for you to show up tonight. I wanted to let you know: You had me LMAO with your story about your ex when you said you “stopped counting after 170″….actually I was laughing so hard I had to get a Kleenex. I laughed for about ten minutes and thought, “This woman should write a book about this!” I would start reading again because what you wrote was so riveting. And then I would go back to that stuff about how many other pursuits there were and how he took notes and I would start to laugh all over again while feeling in awe that you are able to write about all of that in such a clear manner. It is a complicated story with a lot of characters so I don’t know how you do it. In fact, I think of you often and wonder how you survived the arsenic poisoning, how you discovered it, etc.

      FYI there was a case in TX, I think Dallas, of a man poisoning his wife with same. I heard about it on HLN. (One of the old stories they’ve run more than once.)

      Of course we will try to persuade you to stay. I am pissed off that someone obviously hurt your feelings. Well, that stinks. You are a really good person. You don’t have to come here and warn people and explain how abuse sneaks up on a person but you take the time to do it. In explaining your own situation, you have opened so many eyes. Who would try to silence you except maybe your ex? Do you even know who this person is?

      I’m sooooo unhappy that you feel you must go. We should feel safe here and not be subject to attacks. If you don’t post again, you will be leaving a big gap here, but above all, I hope that you do what you feel is best. Thank you from the bottom of my heart for your courage and your time. We want to know that you are okay.

      • ((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((AA))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
        p.s. Snark, arrogance, underhandedness. No. You are not causing problems. Sounds like you had a run in with someone with BPD (lol) projecting all over the place.

        But sometimes we all need a break and that’s probably how most of us feel. <3

        • It was with me, and I am attempting to talk to her. And no, I do not have BPD

          • Renee, I did not know who she was talking about (or how many people); I can assure you I figured she was referring to several people over a period of some days. I didn’t think my joke, referring to a single (unknown) individual was even going to track with what she wrote and be taken seriously anyway.

            Hadn’t read your back and forth with AA at the time I wrote it; only saw it today. (Although to characterize it as a back and forth is an exaggeration.) It wasn’t an underhanded comment on my part meaning, I wasn’t pretending I didn’t know something about who upset her when I wrote that. It was an ill-advised and badly timed callback to the B.S. of this trial. AA said that what occurred was on a private page. I don’t have a password here. Bearing that in mind, and the fact that AA was referring to more than one individual I still have no reason to believe it was you whose words upset her the most.

            I made the BPD joke because It bothered me that AA was starting to even consider for a moment any of the criticisms her ex lobbed at her, because then she’d have to think of him as being legitimately concerned about her – ugh! So, I was just trying to make light of things because the trial proceedings thus far have been disheartening for us and tragic for Jodi. Many here are quite tired.

            So, I apologize for a stupid joke. I only knew what I read in AA’s post above, nothing more, when I decided to be a dork. I’ve enjoyed your comments and appreciate your legal input here. You’ve been a great supporter of Jodi. For her sake, I hope you don’t leave either.

    • AA,
      I know I speak for many here when I say you will be sorely missed. I’m very sorry to see you go. Your knowledge and insight have been immeasurable. I’ve learned so much from what you’ve had to say here and I appreciate your honesty as well. It’s been a great experience to exchange thoughts with you or to just read yours. Thank you so very much for everything; you brought A LOT to the table here. I’m truly grateful for the things I’ve learned from you and about you. You are a great person and I, for one, will miss you. Take care of yourself and God Bless.

      If you do wish to keep in touch, you have my permission to get my email from SJ.

      Thanks again. <3

    • AA,

      I read your entire post and, as you know, I’m equally long-winded as you, but you have a lot to say and I love reading it. I really, really wish that you would reconsider leaving and remain on here for as long as possible. You are a beautiful, wonderful person and a loyal friend and supporter. We need more people like you here and I urge you to stay.

    • Oh AA that is silly you need to stop in an keep up. Drama I can’t stand it. I must
      have missed something in here again while I was out snooping around.

      Hope all goes well an ya stop back in anyways !

    • AA-
      I respect what ever decision you make as you need to do what is right for you. I would hate to see you leave the site as you have been one of the most vocal supporters of Jodi. I hate hate hate to see any more “old timers” leave. I have always enjoyed your posts and your tenacity in supporting Jodi. The beauty of this site is that one doesn’t have to read a long post if they don’t want. As far as discussing the concerns with the defense case, I think we all need to get used to that. There will be a lot more discussion on ineffective counsel as I believe it will be a basis for appeal. I’m sure Nurmi and Wilmott will be able to handle it, as they themselve have put on the record for appeal that they were not able to fully and adequately assist Jodi in her defense. I hope you reconsider.

      • P.S. I am not even one bit concerned that haters see people on this site discussing issues with the defense strategy. After all most of the haters belive in Magic Undies, so I can’t take them very seriously. If they agreed with what we said, I’d have to be concerned with my own thought process:)

    • Also Abused, OMG, I’m going to miss you so much. I’ve looked forward to your posts. I loved the fact that your posts went into detail and never, ever considered them long winded. It won’t be the same here. Please just take a break, take a breath, and return at some point. Maybe we all just need to relax a little. I know that what we say here has no impact on JA’s trial (it has a lot of impact for Jodi by way of people donating, buying her art, sending her expressions of support), but now we have one less mouth to explain the legal aspects of this case. One word, a word from my place of birth. Aloha, it can mean hello or goodbye, but it is also a principle. Aloha is love, kindness and respect. We can have Aloha, we can show Aloha. AA, Aloha.

    • Okay. It is ME you are referring to AA. Guess what… I will leave! I am not going to be sideways blamed for you leaving, Okay?

      Beyond ridiculous that we cannot be adults and coexist without loving each-other. I found offense in your post where you were slamming not just me, but a few others.

      I feel like I am in high-school, and you are a bully saying you are leaving because of me. This is not black or white… this is gray.

  203. and who is the juror who thinks jodi was staring her down and then wrote something in her book? are you kidding me? pleeaazzz i watched the clip she was in a trance thought and then wrote something down. she was not staring you down juror, get over yourself.

    • isn’t that pitiful? one was tara kelley . . that whole God forsaken bunch want things 2 ways with options. If she was to have said that to me I would have asked. which is it, Jodi stares or Jodi has an eye problem . . which eye did she stare from . . (I’m not being sarcastic about Jodi . . but these people are relentless)

    • Jodi has a mild case of strabismus. One can’t quite tell WHERE she is looking – that’s why all the spooky eye comments from Travis’ friends.

      Tara’s just running out of things she can talk about without getting in trouble.

  204. I’m mostly a lurker here. I posted one comment. I am a housewife with children. I used to believe in the American justice system as fair having checks and balances. Apparently, the justice system in AZ isn’t congruent with other states in the United States. I didn’t know about this case until March, was sucked into HLN, believed all the rhetoric, then…after watching the media plot to exploit Jodi for ratings, I’m appalled.

    I’m not on the jury, so it’s not my place to convict or sentence her. However, I believe the jury was tainted by the media, the TA camp, JM, SS. and the laws in that state are absolutely asinine. Juan got a double shot to convict her…if you don’t believe in premeditation then you can believe in felony M1. The laws need to be looked at carefully in AZ and rewritten. JM overcharged Jodi so that he could become famous (allegedly). We aren’t living in the Wild Wild West anymore.

    The tainted jury pool is another reason that this is unjust. No reasonable person on the jury can say they were influenced by outside sources since they weren’t SEQUESTERED! They watched media and social websites. Please…it’s everywhere.

    I sadly watched Dr. Drew (only because he mentioned that he would broadcast Jodi supporters). Well, there were only 3! Donoavan, and a couple of women that made comments. They quickly disregarded these comments blaming it on sick people wanting to ride the coattails of someone they identified with.

    I hope I’m never on trial for murder. With all the manipulation, corruption, prosecution misconduct, withholding of evidence, and letting the family of the victim to behave so disrespectful in a court of law by ell rolling, crying, glaring, etc…

    I’m not saying this was a good thing. Two families were traumatized by this whole event. It saddens me. There are no winners in the case. However, Jodi may be unfairly losing by a conspiracy and it makes me ill. There is no way they would be able to find an untainted person in Maricopa county, much less the country.

    • Veruuka thank you for your insight and it was right on they will never find a jury that has not heard or seen anything and I bet there are a lot of hater’s the will try to get on the jury to finish Jodi off

  205. Facebook is going after site with hate speech. i reminded them of two pages in particular. I am so happy they are doing this as what happen to ALV and others made me sick. Thanks SJ for your site. Here is link to facebook if you would like to comment, I wish you ALL would, I would like those hate sites shut down.
    https://www.facebook.com/notes/facebook-safety/controversial-harmful-and-hateful-speech-on-facebook/574430655911054

    I commented about the page The State vs Jodi Arias and Justice for Travis. The attacks and I only said I was against The Death Penalty on the State FB site and they attacked me so bad. I cried for days, was afraid they would go after mty friends etc., What happened to TA was awful, what these two pages IMO did to ALV and others, was way worse, Worse than death is being terrorized and threatened. Much like JA. Here is my comment:

    Good Job Face-book. I am proud of you. I hope twitter (I doubt it) follows your lead. An example of horrible hate is on the The State vs Jodi Arias FB page and Justice for Travis FB pages, both fronts for money collecting. What happened to him (Travis Alexander) was horrible. What the people on those FB pages did is way worse. The hate, the death threats. They ruined peoples lives, careers and scared people from even commenting, If you did even a simple comment 50 plus people harassed you mercilessly on your own page,. Face-book is not anonymous. Congrats Face Book on your stand against Hate speech. Hate Speech is NOT free speech, and I know the difference, so do you! Thank you Thank you

    • Yes, I like that Facebook is now openly committed to resolving this problem. Make no mistake I will hold them to it.

      I quit Facebook two years ago. I never gave twitter a chance because I had seen that it’s another cesspool of Internet crapola.

      I briefly entertained the idea of going back to facebook, but then I saw this comment:

      “Fa T. Stephen: Jennifer I am absolutely apeshit that you get to decide what I should be allowed to post on my wall. Last time I checked, that was my wall & not your’s, so fuck off like a good little girl my dear & think about me the next time you post something family friendly on your TL

      O wait, I’m an idiot, I’m feeding a troll”

      Now it’s stuff like this that makes me want to stay away from Facebook. “Fuck off like a good little girl my dear” is sexist pedospeak. The fact that this comment has been allowed to remain on the wall of an official Facebook post that claims commitment to fight against hate speech says a lot about how effective their policies really are. Which is, close to zilch.

      • OMGosh How gross so sorry. Well I have been reporting folks all day long since 10 am. Every C word, every nasty hate that spews from their fingertips, I am reporting, so easy too. You click the X next to the post, it says report, you click that… It ask why, you chose that and waa laa. Bye Bye ass-holes!

  206. This is my response to Dr. Drew.

    “What kind of person supports Jodi Arias?”

    Dr. Drew, since you asked the question, let me give you an answer: the kind of person that supports Jodi Arias is less interested in fame and more interested in helping others through anonymity. They’re the kind of person that is less interested in making money from this case and exploiting the dead and more interested in raising awareness by championing the survivors of abuse. They’re the kind of person that is less interested in trying to find lies and more interested in finding the truth. They’re the kind of person that is less interested in having their hands and wallet open for cash and more interested in having their hearts and minds open for love. They’re the kind of person that wants justice as opposed to revenge, life as opposed to death, love as opposed to hate and they recognize that Jodi Arias is not perfect, but love and support her because they see her for who she really is, not the caricature you and others have made her out to be.

    Dr. Drew, you mention how there are those who have chosen to “piggyback” on the coattails of Jodi Arias for fame. With all due respect, you might want to take a look in the mirror, you and your colleagues at HLN, to see who the real culprits are of this. You and your cohorts at HLN have been more in bed with Travis Alexander in the past 5 months than Jodi Arias ever was. You have given and allowed Travis’s family, friends and supporters free reign on your daily and nightly television shows to trash, smear and attack Jodi Arias without giving her or her family a chance to respond without being shouted down or mocked and ridiculed. I could expect this type of behavior from the others at your network, but not from a man like you whom I know has interacted with many troubled individuals whose problems are analogous to Jodi’s. You, of all people, sir, should know better. Everyone knows that a doctor’s M.O. is “do no harm”. You have done nothing but harm to Jodi Arias, her family and her supporters. But most of all, and you probably don’t even realize, you will wind up doing even greater harm to yourself.

    I choose to support Jodi Arias because I hate domestic violence whether the abuser is a man or a woman. However, the majority of abusers are men and the majority of survivors are women. And, sadly, a lot of men choose to remain silent or sit on the sidelines instead of speaking out against domestic abuse and letting women know that they aren’t the only voices that wish to be heard. We do so out of love, Dr. Drew, not for fame, not for money, not for anything other than love and support which these women so desperately need. And, on a personal note, we have heard a lot about religion during this trial. I find it hard to fathom that Jesus Christ would be giving high-fives to Travis Alexander’s family for the way they have and continue to spew hatred out of their mouths for Jodi Arias. I can’t speak for the Mormon religion since I am a Catholic, but I believe that my God is one who places more value on the actions and deeds of those who do His work over the rhetoric and speeches of those who claim to.

    We support Jodi, not because she is perfect and infallible, but because she is imperfect and many of us identify with her and her situation. And we love her unconditionally as a woman who has shown those of us who choose to see her without bias as someone that is generous, compassionate, passionate and loving. We’re not ashamed to say that we not only love her 9 days out of 10, we love her 24/7. And, in closing, I’d just like to say that out of something tragic comes something good and that is this: her supporters have become extended family to each other. If you look at the people and posts on the pro-Jodi Arias websites, you will find almost every one of them to be positive and uplifting. Contrast that to the anti-Jodi Arias websites where you will find almost every one of them to be negative and hateful. We do it for love, Dr. Drew, unconditional, undying, unwavering love for a woman that most of us have never met, but whom also has become a member of our extended family. Thank you.

  208. I just wanted to leave my comments in regards to something I read on a Facebook page stating that this drawing is a copyright infringement. First it’s not. This drawing and the image is it supposedly taken from have too many dissimilarities for it to be an EXACT copy. Second only the copyright holder may exercise a claim of infringement. A third party cannot. So I hope this sells well and Jodi Arias is fully acquitted of any criminal charges related to her self defense. <3 3:)

    **Jeremy Johnson**
    San Diego, CA

    • I agree. People are just looking for bad things to say about her. 🙁 Its sad. She’s a beautiful artist!

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