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Innocence: An Argument For Jodi Arias

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Check out the excerpts below from Richard Speights’ detailed post – “Innocence: An Argument For Jodi Arias”… then click here to read the full post at his website. It is the most detailed & comprehensive synopsis of the June 4th events I have seen to date.

The above answers all the blood evidence, stabs, abrasive wounds, and incisions in a reasonable version of events, wherein all the pieces of this puzzle fit together perfectly, naturally, and consistently. The evidence shows Arias did not attack Alexander; he attacked her. Her actions, according to the evidence, were in self-defense—justifiable homicide. This is the only reasonable conclusion to Travis Alexander’s death.

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It is clear Jodi Arias defended herself against a rampaging Travis Alexander. The autopsy report is clear only when you understand the meaning of each cut, stab, and wound and how they fit with the blood evidence. The prosecutor and the defense team couldn’t give a complete and creditable account for all the evidence at the scene. The prosecutor and defense answered the evidence with more than one scenario each. This essay contains the only story that accounts for all the cuts, stab wounds, and blood evidence, and the evidences shouts, “Jodi Arias did not commit murder. Travis Alexander’s death is justifiable homicide.”

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The jury was not sequestered for the trial. They may have sworn they didn’t watch television news, listen to the radio, or read the newspapers, but, honestly, how could they have escaped the poison of seething hatred for Jodi Arias. It filled the air. It tainted the water. It changed the taste of everyone’s food. It crept into the lives of the jurors, who were free to move about the murmuring mob, living among the horde that later howled for Arias’ blood. Arias did not have a fair trial. The spotlight of hate was too bright. The flood of hatred had completely drowned all common sense and fairness.

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Seeing Travis Alexander’s dead in that shower will haunt Arias for the rest of her life. No amount of water could wash away the horror. She couldn’t clean away the nightmare. But like my father and others who have had to kill, Arias is not guilty of murder. She fought to stay alive. She fought, as any of us would, to take her next breath, to see another tomorrow. Her actions that terrible day are, as they should be, justified.

Click here to read the full post.

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SJ
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  1. I’ve read this before. It’s certainly the best theory of events that I’ve seen out there. It makes sense and it pretty damn well matches the evidence. Evidence, it seems, is something that the jury as a whole never really considered.

    • you know, I never could figure out the cluster of back wounds with the intruders, so they actually do fit what this author says.

      • The same place all of us were…yelling at the top of our lungs, and being ignored by the blood thirsty mob.

        Seriously, did you expect ANY media to pick up on this, when it is sure to lose them profit? “Dont piss of your customer base” is the moto to keep in bussiness. The cart leading the horses is not only happening in the “news world” but has become the official modus of opperation.

        We could of posted the “lost video” of what happened. And people seeing it on film would have STILL called us crazy.

        If you think a new jury is going to change any of this, you are nutts.

        I would suggest we all go to the bar for breakfast, when the tender asks what we want, simply reply “A hit of acid and a box of shotgun shells”.

        • I understand that the Media chose not to “pick up on this” but what about her defense team? Are they just that incompetent? It took, what, 4 years for this to go to trial and no one sought alternative theories or substantiating evidence to corroborate her version of the attack? It seems to me if evidence of this nature is valid, admissible, and exists, it would have been at the forefront of their Self-Defense case. :/

          • Oh.. so you think that the crime scene evidence as outlined in the essay DOESN’T corroborate Jodis recall of OTHERS being there? Why the defence strategy was changed in 2010 needs investigation.

          • Overall, the sense I get is the defense unconsciously felt beat before they started. The bulls___ build up over Martinez. The police man/investigator who just accused the girl everyone was jealous of, the poor evidence. Nothing investigated properly.

            That whole team with pickles, martinez, horn, fione(whatever) are liars and murderers and need their licenses pulled.

            I don’t know how much experience the defense has but yes, you would think they would look into getting an expert for defense knife fighting. Martinez was so good at deflecting everything away from what was really happening and what the truth really is that he needs to work for serial killers on the defense side.

            But since all this wasn’t done correctly. It now needs fixing.

          • The defense said Jodi “could have snapped” and that was their story, Everyone freaked out over the pictures instead of adding logic to them. Yes, she could have snapped by WHY didn’t she. In the end, the facts explain the actions. All the way into the psychological abuse that Occupy HLN explains, as well as many, many, people on this site have also explained.

            Jodi’s defense tried to tie it all together and did a pretty good job at it but they tiptoed around a lot. in hindsight, it may have been better for them to show those pictures themselves and to describe more detail into his persona and the brainwashing effect it had on Jodi, all the way into the into the interviews where she builds him up, even then. Ever hear of Patty Hearst?

              • That’s the first thought had was Stockholm syndrome and Patty Hearst when I heard about these missionaries and observed the Alexander’s and Hughes family.

                • Yes, if you read up on it, it really has merit. It explains why Jodi is defending T.A. soooo often. She copies his behaviors in the interviews prior to her admitting guilt. Jodi also defends him in interviews and builds him up. Jodi also builds him up in interrogation tapes. Etc.,

                  I would bet that some of the books he was reading would have some interesting information in them that would have revealed how T.A. abused his knowledge in some form of mind control. Jodi was his practice toy. I believe he tried out different methods of persuasion, motivational, and control techniques on her. He even had her believing that she was fine with “just hanging out and having sex”. He was extremely manipulative and really abused Jodi on a higher level that really never even got addressed in trial.

                  I get angry thinking of it and could only imagine that someone on the jury would have gotten it. It is all true. Very sad.

        • O,k. This is a little off topic but I do not want to forget it and I have wanted to mention it a few times before. I think T.A.s ex girlfriend knows more than she admits to. She cannot hide it. I see it in her facial expressions and have a gut feeling. Anyone e notice this ir just me?

          • Yes no Mormon/LDS is going to tell the truth an nothing but the truth in front of the
            whole world. They would be shunned an turned away from the Church.

            • Yes Color purple,
              She sure was devensive when asked about having sex with Travis.
              Like, “Well isn’t that what everyone does when they are in love????”
              BTW, when did Travis give her the dog?
              Do you know?

              • I thought he left the dog to her in his will.? Personally I think he plays on her emotions as well. HLN stated T.A. tells his girlfriends or the ex that whome ever he ends up with will have to get use to her being around. I think he confided in her a great deal and likely exposed some behaviors that were not so charming, and this is why he wants to keep her close. I am not saying it was an evil master plan but more an insecurity that lead him to feel the need to protect his environment. Giving the dog to her was a sure way to keep her quiet.

                The ex states on HLN when asked why she thought T.A. would go for someone like Jodi and she states that Jodi gave him a lot of attention and he LIKED the attention. Iam not certain of the exact words but I am sure she was not thinking when she said it, I also remember T.A. has the ex go to his home and check on his dog when he is out of town and when she goes there, Jodi is there baking cookies. I am pretty certain T.A, knew she would be there and wanted people to think Jodi was a stalker. He was really smart in his plan and really took advantage of Jodi. It is a shame how this whole thing played out.

    • This essay could’ve changed the outcome of the trial. I watched HLN but they are biased. As a viewer and no direct relationship with Jodi, I feel that it is not up to me to judge since I was not there to see what really happened. HLN kept referring to why would he attack her over a dropped camera, well as someone who was a victim of domestic violence I can see this happening easily. I once in that position over spilling fish food. And I have a wonderful memory but when I lost my boyfriend in an accident I completely went foggy for that week of my life- PTSD. I believe that Jodi may have defended herself and it may have been so traumatic it caused the PTSD. This essay explains a different view point of the attack and he seems to have more knowledge than the experts did. It made me look at the whole incident differently and I’m sure it could’ve made the jury as well. Everyone looks at it as if it was just self defense she would have just hurt him enough to run but the essay explains possibly why there are so many wounds. Before reading this I thought she may be guilty but after reading it I can see the other point of view and how it could have happened.

    • It makes me sad and sick to read that again. Feeling how much sense that makes, and frustrated that it will never be presented to the jury. 🙁

    • I am wondering if anyone can do something with this discovery, I feel that Jodi will get another trial and this information could help her. I can’t get over the amount of truth that comes from this article. it is one thing to sit here on this site and comment back and forth, but another to actually be heard. Is there someway to be heard?

      • I believe if they could have had someone like this, she would have been acquitted.

        Also he says he looks angry in those pictures.

        I think it was because he knew he was losing her, that she was going to Ryan Burns
        and even though they had broken up so to speak, if he didn’t know she was going to meet another guy, he wouldn’t care.

        He was the jealous one and that’s the way he wold have acted, knowing she was leaving, even though he had a girlfriend OR two.

        • I agree. He realized she was really trying to move on and he did not like it. It was ok though when he used her like a prostitute in secret, then went out in public looking for a virgin wife. I feel a little ashamed talking so boldly because I do feel bad about his death but I believe Jodi was really abused and I just get upset to think that he isolated her and made her look crazy, when he was encouraging the relationship to continue.

          I think Jodi had good lawyers and they had a lot to contend with. Not only did they want to save her from M1, even M2, they had to take everything into account and save her life first and foremost. My point is, I am sure looking back, they even would have taken other steps. One thing I felt from the beginning though, was that when Juan came out so aggressively, they should have kicked his ass right back with the same aggression. Feel the passion. I actually get mad when I think of all T.A.’s friends bashing Jodi when he was so manipulative.

          • Color purple,
            Every abused woman that I know, have said that their abuser would scar her up so bad OR kill her or hurt the kids If she left.

            Jodi was fine with leaving. I think she still wanted to be friends but move on to someone that would be her husband and have a family. They NEVER really proved a damn thing about her stalking and ALSO DID someone REALLY slash the tires? It wasn’t Jodi. They didn’t prove tht at all. Only the girl that called 911.
            I doubt they were ever slashed.
            Travis was the liar, not Jodi. She started lying to keep his ass from getting into trouble.
            I don’t believe that Jodi could kill unless it was to save her life. That’s exactly what she did.

            I never thought she would be convicted to murder1.
            She pled guilty to murder 2 , but the family and jaun wanted death.
            His family had never even met Jodi, except his Grandmother.

            If the family didn’t want all of the TRUTH that they didn’t like to hear, they could have all settled for her plea of murder 2, but all that they and juan wanted was the DP.

            Sounds like they’re going to have another trial with jaun and the same judge.
            Why even have one? We KNOW what they’ll give her.
            I’m sick of them.

            At the end of the trial I would have acquitted her because I really DO believe and always will that Jodi acted in self defense.

            I guess IF anything other than the whole trial that got me was Nurmi saying 9 days out of 10 I don’t like her. Jodi kind of did a nervous smile/ laugh. What would we have done.
            Jennifer looked pissed!!

            I don’t like to hear anyone in his family or church or business talk about Jodi.
            She WOULD NOT have done that to them.

    • This is a wonderful analysis . The trick is to get this analysis into court or into Jodi’s appeal. Jodi really needs a top notch attorney to volunteer to help her. Next a forensic pathologist, an expert with standing in the court needs to concur and support these findings in court.

      Richard Speights is correct that Jodi say too much at the wrong time and not enough at the appropriate time. This is another reason why she needs a very accomplished strong criminal attorney who she will listen to. I think she has received so little help or guidance in her life, that she prides herself on forging ahead on her own bootstraps and got herself in trouble.

      What is the best way to use Richard Speight’s wonderful document to help Jodi. Should he send it to Mark Gerougos or some other famous criminal attorney to help her out.

    • Fabulous perspective, showing what was the most likely reality of what took place. Very unfortunate that the jury wasn’t given this point of view. Any human being with any sense of real empathy would understand the memory loss, the PTSD, the initial inability to accept the outcome of what had happened and later, responsibility for one’s part in the tragedy. Jodi’s an amazingly strong woman in light of the horrific persecution she’s endured.

  2. The trial was very curious, in that very little was argued about the blood spatter and autopsy evidence.

    This does indeed tell a tale, and that tale is that after Alexander was shot, he attacked Jodi and she defended herself.

    Quite why this was the case is not clear to me : I presume it was felt that dwelling on the crime scene would not help Jodi, and then we have Martinez’ crazy gun shot last theory.

    How this will all work out eventually in Arizona’s crazy criminal system, I do not know. I do know the truth, which is that Jodi defended herself and there was no premeditation.

    • geebee2

      “The trial was very curious, in that very little was argued about the blood spatter and autopsy evidence.”

      And isn’t that the 64 million dollar question.

      I think this case could have been won on the physical evidence alone. In fact given that as early as October 2010 Jodi was apparently willing to accept a 2nd degree murder plea, they didn’t even need the self defense claim to use the physical evidence coupled with the actual circumstances of the killing, i.e. the amount of time that passed, the various opportunities she had and passed up, etc, to reduce this to, at worst, a manslaughter case.

      The evidence could have been brought forth purely on the basis of cross examination, at which stage the images were still fresh in the jury’s mind and further delving would probably have done little harm. But why the defense took the tack it did will probably never be known, unless Nurmi or Willmott write a book some day, and even then they may be bound by attorney-client privilege.

      • I think perhaps it was Jodi who chose to make Domestic Violence the subject of the case.

        That’s the subject she is passionate about, a subject it’s worth laying your life on the line for.

        It may have been the right strategy, but with so many factors against her, it was impossible to win against so many factors : a prosecutor and judge in league against her, the might of HLN, lies, lies and more lies.

        The good thing is that the truth WILL come out sooner or later. It will just take time, perhaps a lot of time. That’s another thing about Arizona’s system that is so badly screwed up. But she is shining a light on this, and so many other things.

        Newtons’s law is that for every action there is a reaction. HLN’s coverage of this case will give rise to a reaction. Already things are changing, Facebook is cleaning up. It might even be the death of HLN, the end of the death penalty… loads of things. Some may happen, some may not, the future is always unknown.

        • I happen to disagree with you about jodi wanting to go with DV. They had to convince her to do that. She remembered the intruder story all the way until 2010 when Samuels and Nurmi convinced her otherwise.

          I don’t think jodi realized she was being abused until ALV. Abuse sneaks up on one sometimes and you don’t know that it is there until later and you view it through different eyes.

          • I am with you on this BeeCee…there is a lot of hinkey shit that went down, all at the same time.

          • Totally in agreement with you,BeeCee. I´m positive that Jodi had no idea she was in an abusive,sick relationship until she got to spend those long hours with Samuels and most importantly ALV.That´s when it probably hit her and she started connecting the dots so to speak.That’s why she is so passionte about this cause now.She wants her voice heard so as more women(and men) out there realize that maybe they themselves are in such a relationship and need to take action.

    • Hi GeeBee2 (22 on wiki?), I got an email inviting me to post but FB have blocked me – they said, for 12 hours.. over 24 hours later and I am still blocked.

      Apparently they didn’t like me saying that the Mormon religion is an evil cult..

    • Wow. I’m glad they allowed supporters to voice their opinions….but really I feel it was just to paint us as crazy too. As if they were saying “Don’t listen to those crazy their crazy too.”

      Yep. I am right not to watch that crap channel! FUCK THEM!

      • Really Jaz,
        WE OWE them such a favor. ugh.
        I wanted to puke when Funnyface said that. He’s all smiles. He thinks he’s really in the big time now.
        Ruined reputation? He don’t care. He likes laughing at Jodi’s goals, like the rest of the HLN bobbleheads.

        Mark asshole said, you know how much flack you’re getting for allowing the supporters of Jodi speak.
        Funnyface got all rubber legged and let TWO speak.

        I guess he was about to lose his job.
        They are all cady asses, done have a backbone. Too bad they can’t think for themselves.
        There’s no amount of money that could make me change my morals.
        Guess they never had any.

      • HLN really went off the deep end abut Jodi. I will not watch them anymore, only when they air Jod’s trial even though i have to turn off because it so obnoxious. There was a show about the people that support Jodi, and the fame motivation behind that. I support Jodi because I believe she killed in self defense, I see some sides of myself in her, but know that I got support from family members when I was in my early 20’s. Far more support than Jodi received. Jodi’s parents have thrown her under the bus on numerous occasions in her life, perhaps because of their backgrounds. To take your own child to the police for growing a pot plant on the roof of your house. This is awful. I have never heard of a parent so readily turning the child into the cops. Jodi has not had an easy time of it.

  4. This is the best explanation of the evidence that I have seen. It makes a lot more sense than the prosecutions theory.

    Ray in Harrisonburg Va.

    • Ray… sorry to correct you but.. You should have said “the prosecution’s theorIES”

      I dont know why Nurmi and Willmot didnt jump all over this. THey accused Jodi of (rightfully so) changing her story of event, this could have nullified that with the jury, by pointing out even the state is not settled on 1 story either. She stole/brought the gun, no wait, she stole TA’s gun, that we clame he didnt own, no wait she shot him first, no wait, she shot him last, no wait, she ambushed him in the shower, no wait she DIDNT have a gun or knife yet when he was in the shower, no wait, she planned this weeks in advance, no wait she “planned” this is the instant between stabbing him once and stabbing him again and again….

      Maybe im a duck from another pond, but i would have thrown Juan under the bus on all this cannon fader he was using. Sometimes its not the substance of the argument that matters, it the fact that you can make an argument. The defense had many many opportunities to make an argument and missed the boat, IMO.

      • I totally agree with you sirlips. It’s like Martinez covered ALL the bases so the defense couldn’t go anywhere. And this was allowed by the token puppet judge. JM’s tactics are so evident in how he paces all around when interrogating everyone on the stand. Some people have said that he did that to confuse Jodi, but I think his intentions were to throw everyone off from having any freakin’ common sense at all. It’s really funny that when people don’t know how to argue intelligently and logically that they end up raising their voice to throw the other person off their center. How primitive.

      • Sorry about that spelling and grammar are not my strong suite….public schools I guess besides I’ve been out of school for almost 40 years 😀

      • They sure went to a lot of trouble to suggest that the shelves would tip when she pulled her grandfather’s gun from the top shelf in Travis’s closet.

        Or something like that.

        And your test was so much better anyway!

      • I totally agree with you, too, sirlips, put like you have, I don’t see how the jury could have failed to see it. Having said this an awful lot was there that they should have seen.

        There’s one salient thing we’ve forgotten.. and that is, however good an argument was put, I think the juror’s minds were made up at the very start of the trial – at the opening arguments 🙁

        Sadly the majority of the US, as I see it, won’t believe a woman abused, let alone a woman who had to kill her abuser to save her life 🙁

  5. I read this for the first time yesterday. Paints a very clear picture of what possibly went down in that room and hallway.

    • I was about to post the same link – on the same page, Jaz. Someone else had beaten me to it. The haters come back with, ”This is old news, seen it and it means nothing”

      It really does explain everything, doesn’t it. No wonder the haters dismissed it!

      If only that person had come forward and been a defence witness..

      • She drives me positively bonkers. Out of all the harem members she is by far the worst. She never misses an opportunity to label Jodi as some psycho bitch and when the topic came up about some of the jurors finding that YES Jodi was abused her eyes almost popped out of her bobble head.

        Then the way she was head bobbing and agreeing to every whacked out theory that Juror #17 had was ridiculous. She was ready to high 5 her after the story about her having the staring contest with Jodi. This Gingerbitch also was the leader of the pack excusing away Travis getting hot and bothered over the sound of 12 year old girls orgasm. “oh all men have schoolgirl fantasies” really Jenny? Dr. Drew has no shame putting a dimwit like this on just to carry on the HLN party line.

        • Is that the redhead who over dramatizes every head shake and eye roll? She drives me nuts

          • Yes that’s her with the giant bufont hair. She endlessly just bobs her head in agreement with every diss thrown Jodi’s way. Her only claim to “fame” is that she was BFF with Martha Stewart’s daugther Alexis. They used to have this awful show on the Hallmark channel where they would watch videos of Martha’s old shows and make fun of her. Real nice huh?.

            • That’s her?! Oh god, no wonder. She is the ultimate idiot. Really. My preteen son pointed her out and kept saying, “turn the channel! She’s horrible!” LOL. She’s awwwwwfuuul.

              Another one of Dr. Pinhead’s groupies that I saw on the show was a woman who was a comedienne, then she was on a home improvement show trying to be funny, and then suddenly there she was commenting on Jodi Arias’ case! Bunch of freaks.

    • Talk about an ignorant hater! grrrr cant stand to watch her expressions…so over the top. Fake ronald mcdonald orange hair…..

  8. I keep coming back to why JM concocted this theory of the shot coming last. The guy took an immense risk there. He had a previously sworn statement by Flores that it actually came first. The autopsy report is inconsistent with it coming last, as is the blood spatter. The whole idea of using a knife, when Jodi allegedly had the gun, is so stupid. So why risk this change in story.

    At one time I wondered if it had anything to do with an AZ aggravating factor that has something to do with causing further injury to a dead body, but he never argued that during the evidentiary hearing, so that wasn’t it. And he only changed the story about 5 days before the trial actually started (or at least that’s when he notified the defense). So why?

    I fact, if as Horn argues, that shot would have incapacitated TA, then the shot coming first would have made a stronger case for depraved murder. But of course if that was the case he’d have a hell of a time explaining all the chaotic blood spatter. So was it that Horn convinced JM that if the shot came first it would have instantly incapacitated TA?

    Or was it that he wanted to create, out of whole cloth, another lie he could attribute to Jodi?

    Or was it that, even at that stage he wasn’t sure whether the defense was actually going to argue self defense, and he wanted to somehow defuse a possible intruder based defense?

    Whatever the hell it was, I still don’t get it. One would presume it would be a hell of a risk. He could, with a normal jury have blown his whole credibility sky high.

    • This is one of the great mysteries of the case…

      I think it’s probably just a total cock-up, a random blunder… either that or some strategic move.

      How he has managed to get away with it in the face of the evidence is just stunning… totally amazing.

      But in Maricopa they don’t need evidence to convict you. They just get everyone, to lie. The detective, the judge, the prosecutor, the medical examiner, all in league together. Quite who actually believes what is indecipherable. They are all lying or covering up to save their jobs/careers I think, but the web is so complex, it seems impossible to get to the bottom of it.

      • Yep. Kermit feels that he can do whatever he wants without repercussion because it’s always worked for him before. That entire county is so screwed up. I wouldn’t go within miles of there for any reason.

      • ”But in Maricopa they don’t need evidence to convict you. They just get everyone, to lie. ”

        Exactly!That should be the silver lining of this case.

        • Agree. I looked at some of the issues in that county. Talk about corrupt! It’s insane how corrupt they are.
          They all wanted fame, knowing it would be national and probably worldwide.

    • I think it is clear that they wanted to “shoot a hole” in Jodi’s story. After all, it is jodi’s word against….No-one. So they had to show how her story was a lie. What else proved the story was a lie? The only evidence was the testimony that the gun shot DIDNT happen first, which was key to Jodi’s story.

      If the gun shot came last, then Jodi was lying. It worked.

      If they admitted that the gun shot came first, then eveything else Jodi said about that day couldnt be “dis-proven”.

      The fact that this exact issue was what is proven to be perjured is very good for jodi. Remember just because an appeals court finds that an error was made, it has to be an error that would have possibly changed the outcome. THIS is the #1 biggest error, in my opinion.

      There could have been no DP with-out this perjury. There could have been no “gun shot came last” with-out this perjury. There wouldnt have been a strong argument with “proof” against Jodi’s story, with-out this perjury.

    • Martinez is a habitual liar. He just has to lie and see if he can get away with it. Truly all a game, I am serious here, in who he can manipulate and who he can call liar and manipulator and have people follow him. Did you see him pouting when he didn’t get DP!? Normal Prosecutors would have handled that with a totally different thought and reasoning process. Jodi doesn’t deserve DP! No where close to it. But Martinez is set to win with his lies and manipulation. I am sure what he is planning now is only for the seriously mentally ill. Or let me rephrase, only the criminals with the most serious mental illnesses can do what he will. He needs to be stopped.

      • I agree with this too. I’d like to know about his personal life. I’m sure it shows there too. Something is very wrong with him.

        • Agreed. The argument/apology for his bullying and verbal abuse is, “he’s being an excellent prosecutor! Just doing his job! I’d want him on my side …” But, I don’t buy that. A personality like that MUST be through-and-through; I can’t imagine it being confined to one compartment such as the court room.

    • Well, here’s my take:
      JM had that jury FOCUSED on the PAIN. Shot first…..unconscious, incapacitated= NO PAIN…just a sick woman who kept stabbing for the fun of it. SHOT LAST: Lots and lots o excruciating pain for the jury to FOCUS ON with no remorse and one last bullet to head in COLD BLOOD.
      . I have come to believe that had the jury NOT been so focused on the pain there might not have even been a M1 guilty verdict, let alone a DP or Lwop penalty phase. That jury was BLINDED by this to such an extent that the lack of logic and reason by JM meant nothing to them.

      • He disoriented the jury with throwing the gruesome dead body photos up whenever he felt like it. I don’t get why that was allowed either. I’ve seen trials where they do not allow photos of the autopsy or dead body, or crime scene because it makes the jury go nuts. It makes them just want to convict someone.

    • I wondered that too, Al. I can only think that JM knew the jury had made up their mids from the beginning that she was guilty of 1st degree murder and saying she stabbed him to death made it even more abhorrent, especially when he made them silent to think about the pain he suffered.

      Bottom line, he sold it to them and he knew it would cement what they had already decided 🙁

      It was a disgustingly dirty trick that no one was expecting 🙁

  9. Great post from R Speights. I agree with the sequence of events and that Jodi was acting in self defense!

  10. Good Morning All! Well I have decided to check my self into the psych ward for evaluation. According to doc spew I’m either seeking fame or I’m a sicko. NOT! What a bunch of shit that was. The funny thing is they are doing what they accuse us supporters of Jodi of doing. What a bunch of Hypocrites.

    • LOL Tim. Don’t check yourself in, unless you need a little rest, because they are the ones that need Psych help.

  11. Tim you nailed it. We all must be so crazy. Crazy is what I call a bunch of Mormon cult freaks making website after website, interview after interview to make a buck on their dead friend. They were against Jodi from the beginning because that cult does hate outsider’s. Like Bill Maher says…behind every Mormon was a con artist “salesman”. They are a disgusting bunch at HLN.

  13. That essay was brilliant. It painted such a clear picture of what happened that day. Bravo to the author for explaining things in a way anyone with a brain could understand.

  14. While I have to concede that Mr. Speight is highly educated and his delivery of these events is brilliant I cannot help but think that he is not the only smart person in the world. Why did the defense team not have someone examine the crime scene and come up with a plausible scenario to argue? There must be someone in AZ that has the knowledge to come up with this theory or one very similar. Heck one of our own contributors had given the theory that the back wounds happened as Speight suggests. I was totally dumbfounded that the forensic part of this case was so grossly overlooked. I can think of several trials where the medical and forensic mumbo jumbo was so confusing and lengthy that you wanted to scream. Why was Jodi not given a forensic expert? Here I go again trying to make sense of this farce. Why do I do it to myself?

    • It makes no sense.. in fact its nonsense.. and all a smoke screen to cover a multitude of asses!

    • I was shocked the defense didn’t call in their own forensic people. They should have had another independent medical examiner come in so he could blow that corrupt Dr. Horn Rob Lowe wannabe out of the water. Also a blood splatter expert. In the Casey A. case they brought in that old timer Dr. Spitz and he was pretty loopy but he called the FL medical examiner’s autopsy shoddy and I know from the interviews many jurors found him very credible. The other thing that was very surprising to me was that the defense did not hire a jury consultant that is so important that way you can keep biased people like the little famewhore TarUH off the jury.

        • And if ever there was a fame whore it was Dr. G. Someone needed to duct tape her mouth

  16. Hola Jodi Supporters,

    I am not sure about getting y’all anymore pissed off at the lack of respect women in America get from the Justice System their taxes pay for. And the elected politician’s who run it aka Judge, DA & Sheriff (Police Chief’s are hired by elected politicians).

    But did any of you hear about this woman in Grants Pass, OR who was told by 911 to call back in the morning if your ex gets in and hurts you since I have no one to send out. The ex had broke in & beaten her just two weeks before and was outside trying to get in again. She ended up beaten & raped.

    Where is Nasty DisGrace fighting for this victim?

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/23/michael-bellah-rape-911-operator_n_3326631.html

    I only bring this up to show the Legal System you pay taxes for don’t give a **** about you OR your constitutional rights. Just make sure you pay your taxes & if your a Latino, get out of AZ.

    • Just an FYI, I did email change.org about how addresses and emails are used. This is the response:

      “Hi XXXXXXX,

      Thank you for writing in. Your email address is not sent to the petition creator or the target of the petition. The reason why we ask for addresses is so we know that the petitions are being signed legitimately. In addition, we do send mailing addresses to *federal* U.S. elected officials (Senate, House of Representatives, the President), through a service we use that matches signatures with voting districts. This is because federal U.S. officials do not generally accept email from voters who are outside their voting districts, and typically cross-reference emails from voters with their mailing addresses before responding. The mailing addresses are sent directly to the officials, and are not shared with the petition creator, in the downloadable PDF or with any other signers. Sharing the mailing addresses of signers with anyone else would be in violation of our privacy policy and Terms of Service. *SNIP*

      Our FAQ article on this better illustrates what you’ll see: http://helpdesk.change.org/entries/20272227-i-want-my-name-off-of-this-petition-immediately
      Hope this helps. Please let us know if you have any questions.
      Thanks,
      Dwan
      Change.org Help Desk”

      Now this is what the privacy FAQ says:

      SNIP
      “· If you sign a petition, please be advised that, even if you uncheck the box “Display my signature publicly”, your Personal Information may be delivered to the intended recipient of such campaign and/or the creator of such campaign either electronically or in writing; the Company does not in any manner monitor or attempt to verify the intended recipients of any campaign and/or the creator of any campaign and disclaims all liability regarding the accuracy of the intended recipient(s) of all campaigns and/or creator(s) of all campaigns. SNIP”

      So to me that is contradictory to the email, but I would feel more safe doing petitions based on the email.

      Thanks for the petition RB!

      • Thanks for doing that, BeeCee. I hope others will consequently feel safe enough to sign. (And, of course, for the more squeamish, there is also the provided sample letter that can be snail-mailed.)

  18. Hi everyone! I read this essay over the weekend, and it definitely resonated with me because the sequence of events during the struggle between Jodi and Travis add up in my mind with this scenario. I remember Geebee2 posted a similar account in his wiki space. The strongest evidence to me that confirms this incident are the stab wounds in the back. When Geebee broke down the autopsy report and I read that indeed the wounds aren’t deep and their gashes NOT stabs I knew Travis must’ve grabbed her by the waist and she stabbed him for him to let her go.

    As I stated yesterday I saw Jodi Arias on a 48 Hours episode when it first aired a few years ago. I knew that the situation she described didnt add up which led me to believe shes guilty of something but neither did the other situation. In hindsight I just think jodi didn’t want to taint Travis, she was in denial of his violent and abusive behavior and she really did suffer some form of amnesia from the incident. Somehow, Travis was furious on June 4, 2008 and Jodi thought she could handle it but the truth is she couldn’t.

    I know there are many injustices but I can’t help but just feel a lot of empathy for Jodi. She’s been very misunderstood, misjudged, persecuted and prosecuted on a lie. There are multiple reasons we have all discussed here. At the end of the day I want this to mean something to people and I hope people understand sometimes things aren’t what they appear. Though our justice system claims to be fair I can’t help but disagree. Jodi Arias is a 32 year old woman that has lost her freedom, rights, and an opportunity to have done so much with her life. She lacked foresight and good judgment because she was blinded by love. And now she’s paying the price for it. That’s a high price to pay. I do hope young men and women see this tragedy and learn from it. At least we can see what happens in the justice system and that they don’t have the answers. Travis did text Jodi, “the punishment will be worse than the lie,” how prophetic that line was…

      • Yeah tnlucy,
        When he said his WRATH would be worse than what FLNANG said, it gave me the shivers.
        All I remember is saying What??? And theway he said it.
        YEP, She was lucky to get out of there alive.

        Why doesn’t the public get that???
        They need to all grow up.

  19. Posted this on JAIAB:

    Pamela Roulson says:
    May 30, 2013 at 10:13 am
    Your comment is awaiting moderation.

    I’m curious why all of you here are not using your real names. You have harassed AA and threatened to post her real name and address. Who are you going to threaten next? I for one do use my real name. And I will continue to read and post on JAII. And just FYI, I have not given any money to JA or TA’s family. You can support without sending money.

    • I think those threats are coming from the momotaliban. Running a wee bit scared aren’t they.

      they should remember the truth will come out!

      • AA was here earlier and said she wasn’t coming back. People should be able to come here and voice their opinions without fear.

        • I for one do NOT remember anyone EVER threatening AA. She is well repected here. Maybe some of the termites or hater/posers did that to her. Nobody here would do that. I don’t think anyone wanted her to leave AT ALL.

            • I just went over there to check out what was being said. These people are batshit crazy, and they have no lives.

              I normally don’t check those sites at all because I want to take a shower after reading such stupid, vile comments.

              • LOL Got that right! They are on our site more than theirs! 😆

                serious, mental issues unlike any I have seen before.

            • They are using all of our handles, Tonysam, from what I hear. I know they posted a direct threat to AA demanding she do two things here or they would “out” her….. but I dont think she even knew about the threat. She left because of me, and I am sorry to anyone who will miss her.

              Just say the word, and I will leave so she can come back. I have ZERO problem doing this, I can fight the good fight on Facebook if needed. I just thought we were all adults here.

              • I don’t normally pay attention to these haters because they are just ignorant about the case. Some of them might be connected with the Hughes mob.

                But outing people’s names and addresses is beyond the pale and comes close to committing a criminal act.

              • Renee’
                For what it’s worth, I don’t think anyone who supports Jodi should leave this site. In some odd way, this group has become somewhat of a cyber family. Healthy families have disagreements, even when supporting the same goal, and are able to mend fences to remain strong. Emotions become frazzled when we are faced with so much hatred and vitriol by some very unstable people who use the internet to spew their evil. Trolls are everywhere, and we just need to be mindful of it and do our best to get rid of them.

                In the meantime, we must stay strong and continue to fight for True Justice, and accept our differences in approaches to that fight. I truely hope that both you and AA stay, as I firmly believe you are both in this noble fight for the right reasons. Jodi needs all the support she can get, and this is the only place where haters are not allowed to get away with their insane rantings. I think we all know how important it is for Jodi and her family to be able to come to this page and know that we are behind them. We and Jodi need everyone to keep up the good fight. Please don’t leave and I hope that you and AA are able to talk it out. I can tell from reading both of your posts for many months, that you are both kind and compassionate people who want the best for Jodi.

    • pamela, lucky you, now the momotaliban has your IP address and email.

      Are you not worried for some reason?

      It is not advised to even go there as they like to implement viruses through that nasty site. I am currently doing a clean install on one of my computers due to a trojan that I believe may have come from there.

      best just stay away from those looney tunes.

    • Pamela Roulson……what the hell are you talking about??? And if AA has a problem with this site…..she needs to put her big girl panties on and speak out!!!! Are you her “mouth piece” now or what!!!!!

      Why do some folks feel the need to keep chyt going on…..just sayin’!!!!!!

  20. Dang…. I thought all was copacetic. I thought that we were adults. I saw a post last night of a regular leaving because I took offense to a post.

    Hmm…. I am not in high school, and I think the adult way to handle conflict is to discuss it between the two. This person has my email, and could have “talked it out” with me there.

    I am here to support Jodi.

    I am not going to throw out some passive aggressive threat to leave. I will just say I love almost all of you, and enjoy posting here to show my support for Jodi,.

    If I have insulted anyone, I apologize.

    Have a wonderful day, everyone!

    • I would really like to KNOW why all this rumor bs was started. I know that NONE of us would ever do such as that. It seems stupid to me that anyone would think of such.

      • Hey, cj

        AA leaving was due to a conflict between her and another poster on this site. No threats or rumors were started or made against her here, that I know of. Those things happened over on a hater “parody” site.

        • I know, I was here. I just wondered why someone would come here and say things like that. It made me unhappy.

          • Some people are playing both sides an they get caught in the middle
            some how. I don’t go to those hater sites. I do go on HLN comment
            sections sometimes an that is it an I rarely do that the people are
            horrid an ugly. The threats are really bad even if you do not cuss
            or threaten they have no shame an cuss an throw out threats about
            anyone that is on this site.

    • “I love almost all of you.”

      Awesome!!! That is too funny….made me laugh! Thanks Renee’

  21. I for one have been most interested in AA’s posts. I have learned from her and I hope she comes back. She is a long time supporter on this site and I may not agree with everything she says but I sure do appreciate her perspective and her knowledge.

    • I just can’t believe people would do something so rotten as to try and “out” somebody.

      They are crazy. Pure and simple.

  22. I hope AA comes back she has some excellent insight on things. I think we all have to remember that this something very dear to all our hearts. There are a lot of unanswered questions! We can all speculate about what really took place on June 4th, but none of us really knows. There were so many things that didn’t come into court that I thought should have, but I’m not sure how the court ruled on some of these things prior to the trial beginning. We are all on the same team and have to stay united no matter which theory we support.( Unless someone here supports JM theory then we aren’t on the same team) As many of us believe that this conviction will be and should be overturned, we can’t be so sure of our screwed up judicial system and the higher courts. So let’s all stick together and agree to disagree when we don’t see eye to eye and give support to Jodi and hold her up in prayers.

  23. Sooooooooo NOW I understand! While I KNEW that nobody here would do such to anyone on this site, I read that the shit from the other page pretending to be US did this. They just love to try and cause trouble. Nothing but a bunch of idiots running around who are afraid of the truth.

  24. I wish AA would come back too.

    I believe in the old saying kinda revised..think before you type.. Sometimes our words don’t quite convey what we are trying to say. Tone of voice in communication denotes meaning. not so much on a message board.

    Love you all here..we are all here for one thing !

    Justice for Jodi

    xoxoxoxoxo

  26. *throwing a white flag*

    AA– talk to me… this is not necessary at all. Let’s not let this crack our family.

    I emailed you, lets talk this out!

    • Goodmorning everyone, Renee you brought me a happy smile this morning, your an awesome person!!!

    • Great Renee’
      I just posted above about this being a family. Posted before I saw this. 🙂

    • ((((((((Renee)))))))))
      ((((((((AA))))))))

      You are both much loved here and it would be a tragedy to lose either one of you. I sincerely hope that things can be worked out between you two! I can’t help but think that the other side would love nothing more than for this site to lose longstanding, compassionate posters. We all need each other for our sanity and Jodi needs us for her’s!!!

    • ((((((((Renee’)))))))))) That was awesome. I do love our family here. Praying for both of you for resolution. Ya see haters……..this is how intelligent people who really have a common goal do things. Keep slinging your shit and we will keep dodging. We have a real reason to be here. It is called democracy. We want to see our constitutional rights protected and not made a mockery of like in Jodi’s trial. You see “Jodi Arias is innocent” and you assume we are all stupid, she confessed. Few of us here think she is innocent of taking a life but none of us believe it was 1st degree murder as she was charged and therefore “Jodi Arias is Innocent” And we are ALL here to stay.

        • Exactly Wes, she is innocent of 1st degree murder regardless of which camp you choose to believe here. Most of us waffle from day to day between self defense and her original story but NONE of us here have ever believed 1st degree murder. We are Team Jodi. Period.

  28. Dr Drew wants to spread more garbage about Jodi stalking Travis. I would ask him one thing..”How do you stalk a willing soul”? Answer that Dr Drew!!

    • I saw that this morning too! I just sit there and listened for 5minutes and then wondered, how STUPID will they feel, what will they say when the TRUTH comes out???? Have they read the report from Richard S. and what do they have to say about that??? His report makes 100% sense and ALL the evidence is there. They probably wouldn’t even give it a second thought, I wish there was someone in there lives that would MAKE them read it and see what kind of reaction comes out then!!!!!!

    • There’s no evidence jodi stalked Travis. Travis lied about it so his friends wouldn’t think he’s having sec with her if she left in the middle of the night! For gods sakes she doesn’t fit in a doggie door and she had the code to enter his house cuz he gave it to her! Travis wanted to have his cake and eat it too!!!!

      Dr drew is an idiot. All he wants is fame and to have his shows on TV. He’s not a doctor and he needs to stop using that title because he’s hurting that title. Seriously, it upsets me how these people perpetuate lies! Where is the examination of Travis’s mental state when he said, “you moan like a 12 year old having her first orgasm, that’s so hot!” Who says that? Who?

      • Hi! I was just thinking of this. Jodi did not stalk Travis. I am going to deal with dr. drew. But! Jodi was made out to be this huge Travis Stalker. I think that was Travis’s wishful thinking and/or his mental illness. Again, this Arizona County gave Jodi the name: Stalker. But Jodi’s life was full of so many other people and interests. This was only brought out by Jodi herself when she got up to talk to the Jury to keep her from getting DP. Jodi showed a lot of pictures of socializing, working, living, after she broke up with Travis.

    • Oh for God’s sake people..Why do you keep going back to that rotten channel?
      I had never heard of it before,have never watched their shows.I did it once when that bitch Nasty interviewd his roommate and almost puke! And then just a couple of days ago when they interviewed the jurors and got almost physically sick again.Every single person on their panels are more like caricatures than human beings.Their silly,bad bad actors and so disgusting they make roaches look cute and adorable.
      Dont do it this to yourselves.You dont need all this venom reaching your hearts.Turn the TV off and fight the good fight here.
      Stay focused.For Jodi’s sake.

      • Maria,

        I agree with you 90%. The other 10% is that I need to know what they are lying about. We may not like what we hear but we know what we are dealing with. Then we know what we are countering. The media had a lot to do with Jodi’s trial and outcome. They are continuing to use her for ratings. But they do not have the right to say unjust stories about her. That is a serious legal issue.

        I do turn off the channel as soon as possible. They are nauseating.

    • ITA. I put his stalking special on and I got five minutes in and couldn’t take it anymore he talks about Jodi stalking Travis like its a FACT. And what is he basing that on the so played out doggie door story and a bunch of other crap that Travis’ so called friends aka the famewhores were spewing after he died.

      They completely wash over the fact that obviously Travis wasn’t scared of her (like JM preached) because on that fateful day he had no problem hanging out w/her sleeping w/her having sex and a very intimate photo shoot. Most people don’t just “chill” with their so called stalker. Its just more Dr. Drew bullshit to get ratings.

  29. Good Morning peeps from Hot as Hell So Cali!!

    Wow……I go to sleep….wake up and all hell has broken loose!!! Did it ever occur to any of you that the “other side” is trying to splinter us as a group??

    “Outting” AA doesn’t even sound like something anyone in this group would do…..why would we….to what purpose????

    Folks don’t fall for the bullchyt.

    Good Morning to you too tony:>)))))))))

    • I know Moni, its stupid. I REALY hope she sees what theyre trying to do and come back! And I hope shes safe (I read someone postred her private info) THATS WRONG!!!!

      I LOVE the HOT weather (im originally from FL). Were in Cali are YOU at??? Im in S. Cali now and iv been waiting for it to get HOT to go to the beach! : (

      • I live in southeast Orange County……don’t like hot weather at all. If it get over 83…my dying:>(

    • Good morning/night, to all! I hope nobody finds this offensive, just rallying the troops! Hello to our lovely supportive men too.
      I just wanted to comment briefly as a feminist, that a divide/conquer mentality, is the name of the game from all misogynists. They want us to argue because that’s what they do.
      They like to divide us up to ‘manage’ us. It’s objectifying and splitting in action.
      It’s really important to keep cool heads when tempers are up. Both sides are angry at the outcome.
      The most impressive ones will be the rational.
      Keeping cool confers rational reasoning, dignity intelligence wisdom and understanding.
      An angry person shows none of those qualities.
      It’s not them and us, – it’s just us as a united voice. There is no ‘them’, but there are highly unjust systems to waiting to be addressed. ‘The personal is political’ to quote an old feminist chant from second wave feminism. I’m hanging out for a third…
      Don’t fall for it, or we will fall apart. One strong committed united voice reaching for the same goal. It’s the best kind of strength/power we have.
      We actually demonstrate compassion empathy and a shared knowledge of what it feels like to be an abused woman, now we must show what strong women as a force can achieve, calmly rationally and without hatred, but with a good deal of pity for their inability to behave themselves like adults.
      Like angry children often are, they can be irritating, but let it wash over you and maintain focus, we are modelling behaviour for those who don’t know how to do it.
      It’s pointless facing off to an angry mob, they are not behaving rationally, so we can only conclude that they don’t think rationally either.
      It actually very much reflects the dynamic between Jodi and TA.
      So they make it very clear what she was up against it is so transparent…
      3 cheers for us.

      • Good stuff, Fred! Naming the game–its strategies and tactics–is important.

        Yes, irrational behaviour is a product of irrational thinking. Good reminder. It’s helpful, too, to visualize the mob as an infantile entity possessed by infantile fears and rages.

        Our job is to deconstruct the mob, expose it for the child-monster it is, and tell it in no uncertain terms that it is time to grow up and join civilization.

  30. Looks like HLN will be particularly bad for Jodi tonight. I am not going to turn it on as I don’t need to fill myself with the chyt. It is going to be JVM spewing crap about Jodi and the dirty little secret and Dr. Spew is going to do a show about stalking. I don’t need that stuff floating in my mind. So I will make sure I am out of the house this evening.

    I appreciate Renee’s efforts to reach out to AA and I hope it works. We need them both on this site.

  31. Mr. Speight, That is an excellent breakdown of what happened on that fateful day. Kudos to you! Also, if there is any way whatsoever of getting this information to JODI’s defense team that would be great. I don’t know if it would help them or not but it’s sure worth the try.

  32. IMMEDIATELY go to the speight website and save a copy of that page and all other relevant pages

    internet websites are ephemeral

    save a copy of all relevant pages

    the website and the material can vanish in a moment for a variety of reasons

  33. Dear AA, If something I posted upset you I am so so sorry. I in no way meant—nor mean– any disrespect to you nor any of our team We all have our various opinions about certain aspects of what happened as far as the trial is concerned —-as well as why things went the way they did and what’s going to occur in the future. However, we all agree that JODI is innocent of any crime and that she should be free. So, again, AA—if it’s something that I may have said in one my replies to you that t may have upset you —I sincerely apologise to you and to the rest of the team. Please return to us—-and team, please do not,bar me from this site.

  34. ((((((((((((((((TEAM JODI)))))))))))))))
    (((((((((((((JODI))))))))))))))))))))))

    I’m popping in and out today.

    I always miss so much!

    Does anyone have AAs email to try to talk to her? AA always has great comments. She can’t leave the team. It’s the stress. You’re always most sensitive to the ones you care about the most. Maybe she just needs a little breather. Team Jodi means a lot to AA!

    • Danielle, I agree. Team Jodi needs all of us.

      AA, I enjoyed your legal insight and knowledge you shared. I hope you return and continue helping Jodi.

      Renee, I enjoy your passion and wit and great insight you share.

      We all have been riding this emotional roller coaster and react to events in many different ways. In the its the goal that matters.

      I vote we empty this dishpan of stale water and start fresh.

      <3 Renee + Team Jodi + AA <3

  35. The posters at a certain page are trying to break this group up. I’ve seen this happen before on other types of boards. They can’t stand it that Jodi has more support than they once thought and it is killing them. This site gets attention and they don’t like that either. Usually it is called blog envy..They try and pick at the main supports of the site in hopes that person leaves the board and others follow. They will even send fake posters in to attack regular posters to the site. I’ve seen this done before.

      • I don’t know for sure, but people like this will try anything to stop supporters from posting their support for Jodi.

        • I agree. I for one, will not allow it.

          AA and I had a small disagreement, and it should have been done in private, and for my part, I apologize to her. I sent her an email, and would like to talk this out. I have no anger in me nor hatred. I just want us to continue to be a family unit.

          Families argue… then they talk it out. It should be no different here. We have multiple posters with different personalities. This happens… it doesn’t mean that the family is broke; it means a couple of “siblings” need to hug it out.

          I am here and ready, AA, if you are.

          • I agree. Families get mad, sometimes they need some time away and then they come back together. 🙂

            I think we’re under stress now. When the trial was going on we saw Jodi every day and could see kind of how she was doing. Now we doing really know what’s going on. I’m worried about her. I’m actually anxious!

          • ((((((Renee))))))
            I know I don’t “know” you, but I feel like I do. You have a good heart and so does AA. I just knew you would say what you said above, but it really warmed my heart to see it posted. 🙂
            You’re right, we are family and sometimes we argue. It is never too late to forgive each other and forget. we must never lose sight that the reason we are here is to love and support Jodi and each other!

            • (((((((((SET)))))))))

              that is exactly correct. Any and all families have arguments and disagreements, and then they cool off and work them out. I hope AA comes back or answers my email…she is my sister here and we need to iron this out.

          • AMEN Renee (((((((((((((((Renee, and AA))))))))))))))))))))) from your older sister.

      • I don’t believe they are impersonating us here. I believe they are posing as us on a site not to be named or visited….at least by me. So if you see my name or gravatar out there know that I only post here.

  36. I have an idea

    Can we each have a “safe word”? Can one of the moderators keep a list of our names and words? This way if someone is trying to be us we say the word over and over. I know that sounds messed up but that’s what banks do for security. Then after we use that word of course we have to pick another one.

    • I’d be willing to keep the list and tell the admin, but I’m not on here all the time.

    • But my phone does let me know every time I get an email and I could set up a different email for this site alone.

      Can one of the administrators email me when you guys get a chance?

  39. Interesting recent –28 May 2012 –US Supreme Court decisions relating to challenge state convictions on a topic currently debated on this site. Sorry if this is old news.

    In the second decision issued Tuesday, in Trevino v. Thaler, No. 11-10189, the same five-justice majority extended a ruling last year that had allowed prisoners to challenge their state convictions in federal courts based on the argument that their trial lawyers had been ineffective, even though the prisoners had not raised the issue in earlier proceedings.

    In the decision last year, in Martinez v. Ryan, a seven-justice majority considered Arizona’s criminal justice system, which required claims of ineffective assistance of counsel to be raised in a separate state post-conviction challenge, in which there is no right to a lawyer, and not in the direct appeal from the conviction, in which there is. The Supreme Court ruled that federal courts may hear challenges to Arizona convictions based on claims of ineffective assistance at trial if the prisoner had no lawyer in the separate proceeding or if that lawyer was also ineffective.

    “By deliberately choosing to move trial-ineffectiveness claims outside the direct-appeal process, where counsel is constitutionally guaranteed, the state significantly diminishes prisoners’ ability to file such claims,” Justice Kennedy wrote for the majority in the Martinez decision.

    The new case considered Texas’ system, which appears to encourage but not require that such claims be raised in a separate proceeding. Justice Breyer, writing for the majority, said that difference did not matter. “What the Arizona law prohibited by explicit terms,” he wrote, “Texas precludes as a matter of course.”

    In dissent, Chief Justice Roberts said the Martinez decision had announced a “crisp limit.” “But today,” he added, “the court takes all the starch out of its rule with an assortment of adjectives, adverbs and modifying clauses.” Chief Justice Roberts had voted with the majority in Martinez, as had Justice Alito, who joined the chief justice’s dissent Tuesday.

    The two dissenters in Martinez, Justices Scalia and Thomas, filed a separate dissent.

    • I don’t suppose you could offer a layman’s interpretation of that, could you? ‘Cause I didn’t understand it at all.

    • ??????? I don’t get it. Why post this and then request to remove you from the site?????

    • Now you’ll know it’s me. So I won’t tell you where I got the picture but I will tell you if I change it which I probably won’t. LOL I tried to use pics of my cats but it wasn’t working so Alice in Wonderland it is.

      I’m off to the post office to mail Jodi some postcards!

    • You don’t need to be removed, silly. Just go away.

      ———————————————————-> the door is that way!

      • If you mean me—–well sorry—- because I shall not leave a site that supports JODI’s innocence! Besides what have I said to offend you? I, like everyone else on this site, am viewing this case with an open mind and realize that JODI was railroaded by a morally and judicially corrupt court—headed by shit-wad Martinez and his sidekick Do-Nothing judge SS. AS I stated before we ar all on Team JODI for the same reason —and that reason is because we know that she is innocent So if you mean for me to just go away then please know that I am not going to stop voicing my opinion on this and any other site that truly supports JODI!!!!! GO TEAM JODI!!!!!

        • Duke…………… who are you talking to?

          I am so confused… If it were me, I was talking to Dell when he asked to be removed. You dont have to be removed, you just stop coming and posting. I dont know why he wanted to be removed. I dont think any one said anything to offend that person.

          🙄

        • Duke! I did not tell you to leave!!! I was referring to Dell’s post!

          I would never tell you to leave…why would you think I would???

        • Duke…you are tripping??? Where is this thought coming from and WHY are you attacking Renee without reason???
          Can you no longer follow a post or what?? And yes……you do owe Renee an apology!!!

          WTH is going on around the site today. Is it a damn full moon or what??????

        • I thought SJ had let everyone know before I did. Sorry. i was a bit taken by surprise myself.

  42. Also Abused, Renee and everyone else, I look forward to reading everyone’s posts whether they are in agreement with each other or not. Time out, like Alyce Laviolette said. Not that any one of us has ever been as disagreeable as JM.

    • Sorry about previous post of mine, hadn’t read posts above. I see that efforts have been made to reach out and resolve differences. G’day, everyone.

    • I am in complete agreement with you, krikee. No one person here is any more special than the other, but we all pull together for one common purpose. I enjoy reading everyone’s points of view here. As Ram Dass says, “We’re all just walking each other home.”

  43. TEACH YOURSELF SOME LAW

    some time back i put together some material for people here about teaching
    yourself some law, which some might find helpful

    it’s not a subject taught in high school, or college, outside a law school

    it’s not something one can pick up in an hour or so
    so if you’re interested now, or might be interested sometime in the future, save the page for later study

    the following are headlines of the topics i’ve covered

    when i post it, since it has many links, this site will need to review it, before posting it, so there’ll be some lapse in time before the site posts it

    TEACH YOURSELF SOME LAW

    AREAS OF LAW

    LAW STUDENTS NOTES

    LAW DICTIONARIES

    LAW LATIN

    ENGLISH DICTIONARIES

    PRECEDENT

    CASES AND STATUTES

    INTRODUCTION ON HOW TO READ A CASE, AND A STATUTE

    HIERARCHY OF COURTS

    PRINCIPLES OF STATUTORY INTERPRETATION

    HOW TO READ A CASE

    AN EXAMPLE: USING LEGAL MATERIAL FROM ARIZONA

    ARIZONA STATUTE LAW

    BELOW IS AN EXCELLENT LAW SCHOOL GUIDE ON “HOW TO READ A
    CASE, AND A STATUTE”

    REGULATIONS & AGENCIES

    CASES & COURTS
    ARIZONA CASES

    LAW AND UNCERTAINTY

    FINALLY, SOME ODDS AND ENDS

    remember the adage,

    “Don’t shoot the piano player; he’s doing the best he can.”

  44. TEACH YOURSELF SOME LAW

    IF you’re interested in teaching yourself some law, or the legal process, including how to understand its “mysteries”, and use it’s tools, i’ve put together some material you might find helpful

    I use the phrase the “legal process” because it highlights how to understand the law, not as discrete unrelated laws, but one using common terms, concepts and analyses, applicable across the entire legal field.

    DON’T be overwhelmed, or discouraged, it takes time
    don’t be impatient with yourself, or in too much of a hurry to learn it ALL quickly
    … you’ll find it’s a gradual, or organic process, a journey

    over time the bits and pieces will come together

    REMEMBER Abe was self-taught in the law.
    “Lincoln quickly realized that he was equal in ability and effectiveness to most other attorneys, whether they were self-taught like Lincoln or had studied with a more experienced lawyer.”
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_life_and_career_of_Abraham_Lincoln#Prairie_Lawyer

    FOR a general idea of the law, SKIM this wikipedia article “Outline of law”
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outline_of_law

    TO understand different areas of law, as i said a common method of analysis is used, using legal terms, principles, etc
    different areas of law have their own special terms

    AREAS OF LAW

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_areas_of_law

    LAW STUDENTS NOTES

    I located some law students notes, etc., online
    LOOK over them, later

    BELOW are some links to different law students notes, notes which they made during their three year law courses, and which they have generously made freely available online.

    THE substance of notes from different students studying the same subjects will be similar

    http://www.lawstudent.tv/outlines/
    http://boalt.org/outlines/outlines.html
    http://marissabracke.com/law-school-outlines
    http://lawschool.ekris.org/search/label/Criminal%20Law

    THERE are similar notes put out by a commercial law publisher, lexisnexis, at:
    http://www.lexisnexis.com/lawschool/study/outlines/

    IT is free and in three formats
    I like the html format, because its flexible and easy to use

    LAW DICTIONARIES
    THERE are many free online law, or legal, dictionaries
    COMPARE definitions to select your favorites
    SOME dictionaries have definitions in greater depth

    google>>>

    legal law dictionary

    ONE law school lists several online dictionaries
    A good starting point

    http://lib.law.washington.edu/ref/dict.html

    READ the definitions closely, as they will be very concise

    OVER time you will build up your knowledge of legal terms, and become more fluent in reading, and using, legal material

    LAW LATIN
    LAW uses many latin words, and phrases, reflecting its history
    IT’S not simply used by lawyers to impress you with their arcane knowledge, and pad their bills 🙂

    google>>>

    law latin

    A wikipedia article provides a … List of legal Latin terms

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_legal_Latin_terms

    AND if you’re curious as to the translation of a particular latin word, or phrase, use google’s translator, for latin

    FOR example, in criminal law, there are two latin phrase “mens rea” and “actus reus” are used
    PUT those two in the google translator for latin http://translate.google.com/#la/en/

    mens rea = mind is guilty
    http://translate.google.com/#la/en/mens%20rea

    and actus reus = criminal acts
    http://translate.google.com/#la/en/actus%20reus

    SO there’s, two latin phrases demystified 🙂

    ENGLISH DICTIONARIES

    TRY the online metasearch english dictionary try http://www.onelook.com/

    PRECEDENT

    AN important law latin term is “stare decis”, which in the above wikipedia
    article, List of legal Latin terms it is defined as:

    stare decisis The decision stands. The obligation of a judge(s) to stand by a prior precedent.

    WHICH leads to the wikipedia hyperlink at
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stare_decisis

    IT’S a long article, entitled Precedent, so just read the paragraphs above the “contents” box

    the first sentence reads:

    “In common law legal systems, a precedent or authority is a principle or rule established in a previous legal case that is either binding on or persuasive for a court or other tribunal when deciding subsequent cases with similar issues or facts.”

    NOTE there is a difference between “binding” and “persuasive”

    CASES AND STATUTES

    THOUGH much of the law is static, the legislatures and courts modify statutes and legal principles

    THIS creates a need to know, and apply, the latest relevant case law to an issue, achieved by using proprietary search tools, one of which is named shepard’s, now via an expensive online proprietary search process

    there are also lexisnexis (not free), and westlaw
    westlaw might be available for free locally in a courthouse law library. university etc

    THAT aside build up your general knowledge of law

    SOMETIMES learn the law using an ad hoc method, for example reading a simple or short case
    SOMETIMES learn an area of the law using a sequential method, from start to finish, such as if you’re learning say criminal, or contract law, for example from the students notes above

    INTRODUCTION ON HOW TO READ A CASE, AND A STATUTE

    LEARN how to read a case, and a statute

    PART will be understanding, and remembering, the specialized terminology

    google>>>
    how to read a case and statute

    I skimmed through the first two results, which look good
    READ the first one

    http://lawbore.net/articles/letterstoalawstudent.pdf#page=1&zoom=146,41,656

    HIERARCHY OF COURTS

    THERE is a hierarchy of courts, trial courts, and appellate courts
    NOTE, lower courts must follow the principles of law as set out by higher courts [ stare decisis = precedent ]

    WHEN you read appellate courts cases you will note that as a general rule they contain more legal analysis of statutes, and cases.

    PRINCIPLES OF STATUTORY INTERPRETATION

    THERE are rules, or principles, of statutory interpretation

    google>>>
    rules principles of statutory interpretation

    READ the section in wikipedia above the “contents” box

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statutory_interpretation

    HOW TO READ A CASE

    one introduction, which looks good is —

    http://euro.ecom.cmu.edu/program/law/08-732/Courts/howtoreadv2.pdf

    read this case below, and try to figure it out
    i picked it at random
    pick a couple of other short ones
    look over them

    http://www.azcourts.gov/Portals/23/pdf2000/cr990466.pdf

    AN EXAMPLE USING LEGAL MATERIAL FROM ARIZONA

    ARIZONA STATUTE LAW

    a statute is a law passed by the legislature
    here’s some of the statutes, or laws, of arizona

    http://www.azleg.gov/ArizonaRevisedStatutes.asp

    down the list you’ll see title 13 is the criminal code
    it’s the arizona revised statutes, which not surprisingly is abbreviated A.R.S.
    and it’s divided into parts, called titles, and so on.

    BELOW IS AN EXCELLENT LAW SCHOOL GUIDE ON “HOW TO READ A CASE, AND A STATUTE”

    here’s a list of Arizona law sources from a law school website

    http://www.law.georgetown.edu/library/research/guides/arizona.cfm

    Research Guides

    here’s some excellent material
    never despair that there will never be a shortage of law material 🙂

    Tutorials
    http://www.law.georgetown.edu/library/research/tutorials/index.cfm

    WHICH LEADS TO :-

    Statutory Research Tutorial
    http://www.law.georgetown.edu/library/research/tutorials/stat/index.cfm

    This tutorial will introduce you to basic statutory research.

    1. About This Tutorial
    2. What Statutes Are and Where They Are Published
    3. Anatomy of a Code
    4. Finding Statutes Electronically
    5. Finding Statutes in the Books
    6. Curreprecedentncy of Statutes

    AND

    Case Law Research Tutorial
    http://www.law.georgetown.edu/library/research/tutorials/cases/index.cfm

    In this tutorial, you will learn how to find judicial opinions, use digests and
    update cases.

    1. Structure of the Court System & Introduction to the Concept of Precedent
    2. Anatomy of a Case, Case Citation, and the Case Law Reporter System
    3. How to Find Cases
    4. Using Headnotes to Find Cases
    5. Updating Cases Using Shepard’s and KeyCite

    http://www.law.georgetown.edu/library/research/guides/arizona.cfm

    Arizona Resources

    REGULATIONS & AGENCIES
    Arizona Administrative Code (Browse by table of contents, no search
    capability)
    Arizona Administrative Register (1995 – ; browse by issue, no search capability)

    CASES & COURTS
    Cases

    Supreme Court Opinions (1998 – )
    Arizona Court of Appeals Division One (2003 – )
    Arizona Court of Appeals Division Two (“recent” opinions )
    FindLaw: Supreme Court and Court of Appeals (1997 – )

    ARIZONA CASES

    some arizona cases

    with a little research you should find your own state’s legislation and cases

    here’s some links below for you
    a difficulty will be not knowing what to focus in on, what to ignore
    beyond that explore:

    http://www.azcourts.gov/opinions/Home.aspx
    and
    http://www.law.asu.edu/library/RossBlakleyLawLibrary/ResearchNow/ResearchGuides/ArizonaCasesandCourtRules.aspx

    look at the slip opinions:
    http://law.yourdictionary.com/slip-opinion

    Slip Opinions

    Arizona Supreme Court slip opinions , 1998-current, are available on the Court’s website.]
    Slip opinions from the Arizona Court of Appeals are available at each division’s website:

    Division One slip opinions
    Division Two slip opinions

    LAW AND UNCERTAINTY

    laws change so you’ll need to find the most current authority. be it a statute, or a case interpreting a part of a statute

    you’ll discover that the law is not capable of producing an outcome with complete certainty

    thus lawyers disagree, hence court cases, including appeals
    its the consequence of disagreements over the meaning or significance of facts, words and the variability of reasoning

    FINALLY, SOME ODDS AND ENDS

    TAKE time to organize your material, because in part the study of the law is an organizing, or systematizing, endeavor, and keeping record/notes

    CREATE browser bookmarks, and folders, say under firefox
    plus paper, and folders, etc and make some systematic handwritten notes

    SOME student notes came in .doc format
    YOU may need to download, and install, the latest microsoft’s word viewer, a free reader of such material
    http://support.microsoft.com/kb/891090

    MULTIPLE monitors make the above tasks much, much, easier
    just tack on another monitor to a laptop, or tower, computer
    check compatibility with someone knowledgeable

    phew !

    “Don’t shoot the piano player; he’s doing the best he can.”

    • Wes, thank you for putting this together. I will def spend some time looking at the various sites you posted.

    • Wes,

      THANK YOU for posting this. Yes, we do need to be informed about the legal system. This will help all of us to be up to speed when discussing Jodi’s case.

    • Holy Guacamole, Wes! My daughter and I both thank you from the bottom of our hearts for this! 😀 Since you are so knowledgeable, would you mind answering a question, or sharing your insight? Since the AZ Supreme Court denied to review the appeal (in which we all know flores lied), I see that it is set aside for now until a verdict comes in and that will determine if the point is irrelevant (if Life is the verdict) or it goes to the SCOTUS if the death penalty is the verdict. (If I am wrong, please correct.)

      So…. we have been following this, as well as other cases where it seems a person is wrongly convicted, and it just seems that justice will not be served in so many cases. Do you, in your personal opinion, believe there is a way to help change the way our judicial system is working? It just seems that justice is set aside while dirty prosecutors, investigators and judges just do what they want. My daughter is considering law school and this case has motivated her as well as deterred her. On one hand, she wants to help while on the other hand it seems like it may just be a lost cause unless one is a powerful politician. Your input would be very appreciated.

      And…. A Big Hello to All from Sunny SoCal!

      • cindyp
        hi to you both 🙂

        i don’t know any more than what you’ve just said. the az sc has set aside the matter. temporarily

        also, time will tell if the higher courts will slap down the misbehavior by those villains

        did your daughter feel emboldened watching jennfier, and kirk, be jodi’s champions ?

        over time, as she reads cases she will react with anger at the unfairness of situations
        that’s normal
        at other times she will laugh at the comedy involved

        the law is one mechanism or tool of power

        i would suggest SAVE the main article, AND the prior one several posts up, in addition to bookmarking it

        and later work through the material; perhaps skim it initially to get a general idea of its layout

        i used material from arizona because of its topicality with this case
        however, you both might springboard from the georgetown law library link i used
        http://www.law.georgetown.edu/library/research/guides/arizona.cfm
        to explore other material there
        http://www.law.georgetown.edu/library/research/guides/index.cfm
        there you’ll see references to other states legal resources, areas of law, etc

        from that last link here’s the california resources
        California Resources
        http://www.law.georgetown.edu/library/research/guides/california.cfm

        there’s plenty of material available on the internet, and in bookstores, but probably best initially to focus on a narrower scope to understand the principles involved, instead of spreading your energies too widely

        • cindyp, you both, as well as anyone else, might be interested in reading an alaskan case on subsistence fishing for chinook salmon on the kushokwim river

          a legal exercise in reading a case
          it’s 8 pages

          http://courts.alaska.gov/media.htm#cases

          State v. Ivan, et al. (Bethel District Court case)

          Memorandum Decision on Free Exercise Defense Against Prosecution for Subsistence Fishing Adobe Acrobat PDF logo dated May 20, 2013

          The defendants have challenged the State’s right to prosecute these subsistence fishing cases. Their argument is that subsistence fishing for Chinook (king) salmon is constitutionally protected based on fundamentally held religious beliefs and practices. The prosecution of these cases arises from allegations that each of the fishermen was fishing on the Kuskokwim River in June 2012 using gillnets with a mesh size in violation of an emergency order restricting gillnet mesh size to prevent or limit the taking of Chinook salmon. The emergency order was issued based on a Chinook salmon run deemed too low to meet escapement goals for the Kuskokwim River, a failure of which jeopardized the viability of a continued Chinook run.

          After the issue was briefed, the court heard three days of expert testimony. Testimony was presented on the religious beliefs and practices of the Yupik culture. There was also expert testimony on the management and biology of the Chinook salmon run on the Kuskokwim River.
          In 1979, the Alaska Supreme Court —

    • Wow! What a fantastic contribution to the site…..Kudos Wes! I’ve worked in the legal field for over 25 year’s and you’ve pulled together quite a tutorial…. anyone wanting or pursuing a Paralegal status is well served by your contribution!

    • TEACH YOURSELF SOME LAW

      A SUPPLEMENT

      DEALING WITH CASES, LEGAL TERMS, FAMILY LAW, APPEALS

      USING EXAMPLES FROM ARIZONA AND ALASKA

      ARIZONA
      the arizona judicial branch website seems to be well designed

      Guide to AZ Courts
      http://www.azcourts.gov/guidetoazcourts/WelcometotheArizonaCourtSystem.aspx
      explore !

      it has an important GLOSSARY
      http://www.azcourts.gov/guidetoazcourts/Glossary.aspx
      well worth having a look at it

      ANOTHER JURISDICTION, ALASKA

      http://courts.alaska.gov/home.htm

      i chose alaska for several reasons.
      the legal terms used will be common among jurisdictions,

      and it has a small population, which i expected to find, and did find, a simplified website, easy to navigate

      ALASKA’S COURT CASES

      use “Search by Word”
      enter a term, or terms, in the search box

      i kept it simple, and tried self defense and later divorce
      http://government.westlaw.com/akcases/search/default.asp?tempinfo=WORD

      A – Z Site Index
      http://courts.alaska.gov/siteindex.htm

      at the alaskan website, i found areas of law, which i thought would be of both legal and personal interest, FAMILY LAW, and APPEALS

      ALASKA: FAMILY LAW

      http://courts.alaska.gov/selfhelp.htm
      Welcome to the Family Law Self-Help Center, a free statewide service from the Alaska Court System to help people represent themselves in family law cases.

      Glossary of Family Law Terms
      http://courts.alaska.gov/glossary.htm
      it’s worth exploring, as the terms a highly relevant for many people

      it’s simply laid out; and the explanations are very clear, and which contain excellent hyperlinks/cross referencing

      ALASKA: APPEALS
      covering all areas of appeal

      Glossary of Appeals Terms
      http://courts.alaska.gov/shc/appeals/appealsglossary.htm

  45. What in hell’s bell’s is going on in here???????????? Someone posting, someone asked them to explain and all of a sudden, they want to be banned????????? Seriously what in hell was that? Do you, whoever you are consider yourself above answering a question??????????? Kiss my ass and don’t let the door hit your all high and mighty ass!

    • I’ve been trying to communicate repeatedly. For some reason my comments get sent to moderation and then disappear. Little pig, little pig, let me in.

        • OMG! I don’t believe it. I’ve had so much to say for the past several weeks, and now i’m at a loss :D. First things first. I’m a true Jodi Supporter no doubt! I’ve been here all the while. At first reluctant to post and then unable to post. Thank everyone for your inspiring words!

            • Hi. Thank you for the welcome. When I am able I’ll post more about my motivations for being here as well as my personal experiences that compel me to stand behind Jodi. But know, that I am glad to be part of your/our community! Hopefully I can learn the gravatar stuff too!

    • Duke… you scared me… I would never just tell someone to leave! That guy asked to be removed!

    • Question Duke….what made you believe Renee was talking to you???? I don’t understand:>)

  48. I have an idea that got lost in the mix before.

    I am currently waiting for my Survivor T-shirt to arrive. I know many others have also ordered. Would anyone be interested in taking a photo of themselves in their shirt or a bear or a kitty in the shirt? I would love to make a collage of sorts, have it printed on paper and send it to Jodi once she can receive normal mail.

    Just a thought….

    • Jaz, cute idea! I will take a pic when I get mine and get it to you. I think we both ordered about the same time, if I remember correctly.

      Someone mentioned putting other art of different items. I love the idea of “Cats Eye” on a tote bag. That would be gorgeous!

    • I want to order, but I want to order TWO. A black and white one, but I have two little issues. Dont know if I medium or large? Would a large be too big or a medium be too small? ??? Also, would I hage to make two different transactions????

      • They were out of black in my size L. I wanted one so bad I chose white instead. I will let you know how it fits after I receive it. 🙂

        • See, im scared they’ll run out!!!! I think ill just order two mediums black and white even if I have to do TWO TRANSACTIONS.

          Thanks guys!

        • I know…. ill have to risk it. Id rather get a good body fitting so ill wear it out. If theyre too big, ill wear them in the house (but that’s not what I want).

          If the one Jodi held up was a medium, then Ill be ok with it. Thanks Jodi!!!

        • The shirts are form fitting. I ordered a small and it fits very well. Not very loose, but it’s not super tight either. I’m a very petite person though.

    • I’m waiting for my shirt to arrive too. I got an email yesterday saying it was in the mail.

    • Photographs
      • NO POLAROID PICTURES
      • Up to five photographs may be mailed to the jail (or dropped off in the visitation lobby)
      provided the envelope is clearly marked “PHOTOGRAPHS.”
      • Photographs may NOT be larger than four inches by six inches.
      • The inmate name and booking number must be written on the back of each photograph.
      Nothing else is to be written on the photographs.
      • Photographs must be unaltered, and may not contain any adhesives, such as stickers or
      labels.

    • Great idea Jaz!
      I think we should all take a pic of the t-shirt once we all get them and send them to Jodi somehow so she can see first hand that her fight for a good cause has already started reaching people.
      I’ll be ordering mine next week!

  49. i have to say it is not acceptable the way that Jodi has been demonised in the media. Trial by media is not the way
    i really hope Jodi is able to succeed with an appeal.

    • Brian..thanks! All of us here want Jodi to go free..what happened was tragic BUT Jodi does NOT deserve this at all!!!!

  51. I wondered why the state didn’t bring in their own blood spatter expert. Then I realized that if they did, their theory would not fit with the blood evidence.

    • HI TRIXELS!!!!!!! Yea iv thought that too, but we know Martinez wouldn’t do that UNLESSSSSSS, the expert would’ve also lied, like HORN and Flores!

      • Hell.. the ff rat face wouldn’t commit to anything..cause he had to maintain his ability to lie and manipulate the evidence to fit whatever fucking theory he deemed as gospel!

  52. Since there are new peeps here than when I posted yesterday I will repost a question I had. Does anyone else think it is odd that since Jodi is left handed that doofus was put in the shower with his torso against the right hand wall? Don’t most people use their dominant hand to support the larger weight? I would think that id Jodi placed him there then he would be left facing? Am I thinking too much?

    • tnlucy, I dont think you are over thinking at all… I also wonder how easy it would be to drag a guy with his head damn near severed without leaving a whole hell of a lot more mess around.

      A guy nearly decapitated would need a couple people actually lifting his body and carrying him, or it would not only be messier, but a damned impossibility.

      She didn’t do this.

      • Congratulations Renee’! I thought I had become immune to the nastiness of this case yet you made me throw up in my mouth a little picturing that scenario. And where are the drag marks? Plus IMO it would look a bit like ——————-O—-O—————O draaaaag….blood pool/rest……draaaag…blood pool/rest I truly feel like a woman could have moved the body down the hall by dragging but not in the time allotted. And no way she is stuffing a uncooperative oversize deadwweight corpse into the tiniest possible space. A typical woman if faced with wanting to rinse off a dead body would look at all the blood and mess and would give a shit less about containing the water and would get a pitcher or bucket and bring the water to the body. It would be simpler and the ship has already sailed on not making a mess.

        • I have also argued that there should have been a drag mark straight down the center of the hallway if Jodi had dragged him by herself.

        • Agreed…. there is no way to dissect the evidence without throwing up a little….

          Imagine, cut the head to the spinal column…. now, a small girl, drag this bloody, slippery and naked body a LONG ways… what the head do? Flap, flap, flap… it would continuously flap around leaving a mess… and- it would further damage the neck, nearly ripping the head off.

          It makes zero sense. I don’t eat much meat, but if I did, I would try to cut the head nearly off a chicken, and drag it around and see what happens. Which would be much lighter and easier, obviously…but ya get the idea.

          a nearly decapitated head would make the transfer to the bathroom, and over the lip of the shower nearly impossible for a large man, let alone a small woman.

          • Um, Renee –

            The chicken would just run, head or no head. That’s where the phrase comes from.

            • hahahahaha LOL

              😆

              my bad example ^5

              I would try it with the neighbor… but I think he might find me crazy 😉

            • OMG everyone in my office is looking at me….just did a spit take! It was dead silent in here till I yelped………

          • I bet whoever (not Jodi, IMO) cut the throat, did it in the shower so all the blood would go down the drain, and they could also wash the body including evidence left on the body from the real murderer. Also, I don’t wanna be gory, but I would think if the head had been flopping all around that there would be some indication of that in the autopsy, perhaps a broken cervical vertabra. Another thing that I’ve wondered about……… Didn’t any neighbors hear a single thing? I’ve heard noises in my neighborhood and wondered to myself, “Was that a gunshot??” I read the entire Flores report, and did not see one neighbor interviewed.

      • She DIDNT! And you know what I woke up thinking about?!

        Jodi was there but she was framed! They ONLY found ONE handprint with HER DNA blood? Yea, how ironic is that?!!!!!! Then whomever clean up, cleaned up ENOUGH to wipe away some of the wall. How do we KNOW the blood on the walls could’ve shown that TA was in a fight with another man (someone taller, bigger then Jodi). Those walls could’ve told a whole different story just by looking at it and that’s why THEY wiped off the walls but not the sink OR THE HANDPRINT visibly on that part of the wall!

      • Do a google on ‘fireman’s carry’ – there’s even a link with a how-to.

        Putting him down in the shower from a fireman’s carry would place him just exactly as he was found.

        Dragging him there would have put his shoulders in a corner, his feet hanging out, and his legs and buttocks scraped all to hell from the shower ledge…. oh, and the dragger stuck in the corner behind his shoulders.

      • I never thought Jodi did this on her own, but I don’t think it would have mattered to the knuckleheads on this jury. Apparently, they were happy thinking he was running away from her with his head barely hanging on, Jodi stole TA’s gun that he never owned, but she definitely stole a gun from her grandpa even though was never arrested for it, and dying your hair and using gas cans for their intended purpose amounts to premeditated murder. Sorry but I have so lost faith in our judicial system its not even funny. The jurors were too stupid and too untrustworthy to be on any jury, imo, and jm (along with sheriff joe) should be behind bars – not Jodi. But that will never happen with all the corruption in AZ.

        • lawdy me. I about died when I read this sentence:

          Apparently, they were happy thinking he was running away from her with his head barely hanging on

          holy moly
          you certainly have a way with words cindyp

        • Oh you forgot my recent favourite, she was a psychopathic sexual sadist (like Ted Bundy) who lied prostituted and blackmailed with a gun camera and knife in her hands to torture him.

          I don’t know where she found the time.

          Most sites are rampant with serious brain malfunction. In the old days they would have been called village idiots, but a larger population produces them by the thousands, and don’t they like a bit of salacious gossip?
          If only they could use their anger for communal good, it is so much wasted energy it should attract a carbon tax.
          I can seriously feel Jodi’s frustration with ignorance and drama. I can almost touch it it’s so ‘there’. It’s a mirror of the dynamic between the two of them reflecting on us all.

          • Yes, Fred, where DID she find the time for all that hooking and blackmailing and seduction of pale-skinned sexual innocents while also waiting on tables and reading The Book of Mormon and The Secret and keeping a diary and blog? A true renaissance woman, she is! On top of it, she can hold a camera, a knife and a gun at the same time, like the four-arm Shiva, to control her husky victim, cold-bloodedly forcing him into depraved sexual acts and, later, Calvin Klein and/or “Psycho” poses.

            Incredible stuff!

            Their wild imaginations grow in proportion to their hatred. They’ve invested so much time and energy into their misogyny–into their current She-Devil–that they need more and more evidence to sustain and justify it. The boundaries of reality and reason, by necessity, have to disintegrate to accommodate the swell and overflow. And that’s where the comparisons to Charles Manson and Ted Bundy make their appearance. Some imaginations take it even further, and say she’s worse than a Manson or a Bundy!

            When will they clue in and see this fantasy, hyperbole, gossip and lying for what it is? It’s an addiction. To prurience, sensationalism, hateful pornography, social hierarchies and inequalities, abuse in all its forms, and death-mongering. MB pointed in another discussion that this type of psyche has much in common with the minds of sexually sadistic serial killers. This is an apt comparison: all over the internet are expressions of intense anticipation and hot pleasure in the image of a young, attractive woman’s psychological torture and execution by the state. It’s a celebration of dehumanization and rape. But, they call it “justice.”

    • Hhhmmmmmm good point tnlucy. My husband is left handed and he does EVERYTHING backwards (well to me is backwards). But that has never crossed my mind and your right. Wouldn’t it be easier for her to stuff his big fat ass the OTHER WAY?!!!!!!

      • Plus…..which way was the door hinged? Logic says you would also base your entry to stuffdom on the easiest route…..

        • I’ve NEVER understood WHY she would drag him in the shower!

          If she was going to do it with a cup of water, why not leave him right there.

          Dragging him into the shower would have been as easy for her as dragging a dead hippo.

          It just couldn’t happen.

    • JA putting TA back in shower makes no sense to me despite Speights’ excellent essay and reasoning about her wanting to wash away the horror. TA was put in the shower by someone extremely strong, who hoisted his body over his/her shoulder, stood at the shower opening, then flopped TA into the shower stall.

      • I can certainly agree to that but WHY? Why was he put in the shower? What was the purpose? I have a hard time buying the cleaning him off theory. Maybe if Jodi did it then that would be possible but again…..a woman would probably have brought water to the body, it is easier. So if someone else put him there, why? I am really thinking this is a key issue.

    • Jodi testified that she is ambidextrous so I don’t see this as a valid argument. Yes she primarily uses her left hand, but can use either.

      • Can use either yes….. but if in a reaction state she would use her dominant hand. She has the abilty to use her right hand but I can guarantee if you toss her a ball when she is not expecting it she will grab with her left.

        • Ok..I had an “accident:? when I was 25 and lost two fingers on r hand..that has made me somewhat amidextrious I mostry type with my left hand..but the R is still dominant and when I;m not thinking about it I use the R hand..many accidents/broken dishes/and surgeries have resulted from this.. ALSO..when my fingers were cut off I didn’t feel a thing !!!!

    • You guys are all awesome.I LOLed out loud at some of the above comments no matter how gruesome the contents were when suddenly I heard a noise coming from…the couch and jumped out scared shitless.LOL!!! This is the only thing I wont get used to -seeing TA’s autopsy photos in the middle of the night and talking about them here.You see,it’s always late late at night when we usually talk(or when the trial was broadcasted)

      On a more serious note.The killing itself never confused me.Maybe the neck wound,yes.But when you read about other battered women and the ”overkill” factor it kinda makes sense.But the putting him in the shower and the lack of extensive dragging marks never sat well with me.Not to mention that to my naive mind I’d expect a whole lot more of blood if the shashing of the throat happened where they said insted of inside the shower.
      What was the need to stuff him in there?Why would she go through all the trouble of dragging dead weight of a fat man,whose(as wittingly pointed out)neck was flopping? Adreanaline rush?OK,but the way I picture it in my head she must have lifted him up?Whaaaa??No way.
      And we’re still waiting from the Prosecution to adequately explain the crime scene so…

    • Perhaps the victims rights laws should be changed to exclude the opinions of convicted felons.

        • This comment from him:

          When asked how his office would overcome the media saturation if it proceeds to trial, he joked to the room full of reporters: “By asking the media to stop.”

          yeah, whatever you fuck head.

          • That he is. I would have asked him if he consulted with the family of the guy who got his head chopped off that he allowed to plead to M2 and 14 years.

            “Nah – he was a Mexican and we hate them anyway. We only like Mormons and Pedos in AZ.”

          • And that’s why I love you Renee!1
            I wanted to post the exact same quote upon reading this ‘By asking the media to stop.”
            So,you motherf**ker IF you had the power or the will to stop the media why didnt you do it in the first place???
            Coz obviously you dont give a tiny rat’s ass whether real justice is served right?
            NOW you’ll ask the media to stop??
            I bet you wouldnt even if it were 2000 years ago and it was Christ’s trial back in Jerusalem!

        • Not to mention that Tanisha should be charged with jury tampering for her harassment of ALV. Put her in the cell next to Jodi.

          • Isn’t her behavior a violation of her parole? Was she even authorized to leave California?

            • I haven’t ever reviewed the terms of her conviction. But typically if you engage in criminal activity while on parole it gets revoked and off to the slammer she goes. Even if its after parole they will look at her looooonnnnnggggg criminal record and sentence her appropriately.

    • Hi everyone,

      I was just thinking. Jeff, A big Thank you for that link. I have an important idea. To be continued…..

  54. (CNN) — After 22 years on death row, Debra Milke is close to freedom.
    A jury convicted the Arizona woman, now 49, of murder, conspiracy to commit murder, child abuse and kidnapping on October 12, 1990, less than a year after her 4-year-old son was found dead.
    A judge sentenced her to death a few months later.
    But those convictions and the related sentence were tossed out Thursday by a federal appeals court judge. In explaining his decision, Chief Judge Alex Kozinski of the federal 9th Circuit Court of Appeals chided the prosecution for remaining “unconstitutionally silent” on the “history of misconduct” of its key witness, a Phoenix police detective.
    “The Constitution requires a fair trial,” Kozinski wrote. “This never happened in Milke’s case.”
    A day after seeing Santa Claus at a mall, young Christopher Milke asked his mother if he could go again. That was the plan, she said, when the boy got into the car with Milke’s roommate, James Styers.
    Styers picked up a friend, “but instead of heading to the mall, the two men drove the boy out of town to a secluded ravine, where Styers shot Christoper three times in the head,” according to Kozinski’s summary of the case. Styers was convicted of first-degree murder in the boy’s killing and sentenced to death.
    The detective, Armando Saldate, said the friend told him that Debra Milke was involved in a plot to kill her son. But neither the friend nor Styers testified to that assertion in court.
    In fact, “no other witnesses or direct evidence (linked) Milke to the crime” other than Saldate’s testimony. After pleading not guilty, Milke stood trial and tried to convince a jury that her account — and not the detective’s — was the true one.
    “The trial was, essentially, a swearing contest between Milke and … Saldate,” said Kozinski.
    The detective testified he “didn’t buy” Milke’s reaction after he informed her that her son was dead. After that, Saldate said he placed Milke under arrest. In a subsequent interrogation, she confessed that her role in the murder conspiracy was a “bad judgment call,” the detective said.
    But Milke offered a vastly different view of the interrogation and denied that she had confessed to any role in a murder plot.
    There was no recording of the interrogation, no one else was in the room or watching from a two-way mirror, and Saldate said he threw away his notes shortly after completing his report.
    “The judge and jury believed Saldate,” said Kozinski of the verdict and sentence. “But they didn’t know about Saldate’s long history of lying under oath and other misconduct.”
    Specifically, the judge noted that the detective had been suspended five days for taking “liberties” with a female motorist and lying about it to his supervisors; that judges had tossed out four confessions or indictments because Saldate had lied under oath; and that judges suppressed or vacated four confessions because Saldate had violated a person’s constitutional rights.
    “The state knew of the evidence in the personnel file and had an obligation to produce the documents,” Kozinski said. “… There can be no doubt that the state failed in its constitutional obligation.”
    The judge ordered “the state” to turn over Saldate’s personnel records to Milke’s lawyers, after which “a police official” must state under oath that everything has been disclosed and nothing has been “omitted, lost or destroyed.”
    Once this is done, a district court must order Milke’s release unless prosecutors tell the court within 30 days that they plan to retry her soon.
    “In the balance hangs the life of Milke,” Kozinski said, explaining the importance of his decision to overturn her convictions.

    • wow… that is incredibly disgusting and abhorrent. I pray it doesn’t take this long to set things right with Jodi’s case.

      • That won’t happen because now we have HLN and Nasty Grace to make sure justice prevails so……..oh wait, belay my last.

    • That is disgusting. That investigator gets away with lying on the job – and no one does anything about it! He should be in jail for the rest of his life. Investigators and prosecutors are NOT above the law, yet the cycle continues. Our judicial system is a colossal failure.

    • Iv heard of this case and it makes me mad because this is the SAME BULSHIT going on with jodis case with MARTINEZ!!!!!!! When are they going to pull HIS past an see that he has been doing fucked up shit for years and now with Flores and dr Horn???? I hate to think that itll take them 20+ years and Jodi behind bars until someone sees this!!!!! Where the hell are the GOOD lawyers???!!!!

    • This story horrifies me!! How many years of her life has been wasted? And all the while she had to grieve for her son. So, so heartwrenching.

      Was JM the prosecutor on this?? Hopefully things like this coming out about him will help Jodi. There are some parallels here that are undeniable…does JM have a network of shady detectives he can payoff, or what?

    • What The FUCK?

      Again, How do we sanction murder of a suspect based on “if someone tells the truth or not”.

      WHAT EVER HAPPENED TO EVIDENCE?

      Seriously, Texas has put in a “fast lane” on the Death Penalty highway and we really think no one is getting murdered by the state?

      This is absolutely appalling! I found a link to this topic about “Milke” and there were several people commenting on how they should not let her go until the can prove she didn’t do it! They say just because the cop lied, doesn’t prove she didn’t still do it, they “demand” evidence. WHAT IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE? You are innocent until PROVEN guilty. You are not guilty until proven innocent.

      I am ashamed to call many of the people i share air with “Americans”.

      On top of that, the “process” to ensure we “got this right” has only taken 20 years! It’s like that’s acceptable. I think when they find someone guilty; they all have to sigh a piece of paper that says they will each be liable to financially reimburse the convicted if they are ever found to be “not guilty”. MAYBE then people would make sure “beyond ANY reasonable doubt” means just that. Jury, Judge, Prosecutor…all of them have to sign the “pledge pay”. Let’s say, $250,000 for each year they are wrongfully imprisoned? Sounds good to me.

      I bet our prisons would no longer be over crowded!

  55. Hi y’all! I’m a little shy right now…being this is the first time I’ve posted. I have been following/reading for a few months now. I was going to comment sooner, but just about the time I got up the courage, two things happened: First was my jackass co-worker tried to post a nasty comment here and I got scared my work IP would be flagged or something. Second was that y’all were getting tons of fake posters/haters around that time and everyone was on edge. I didn’t want to make anyone uncomfortable, so I waited and kept reading.

    I finally decided today that I would post a hello and introduction, and I almost chickened out because of the miscommunications going on today. Maybe Mercury is in retrograde? Lol. I have to tell you, I was on the verge of weeping when I read that AA and Renee were bickering. You two are my HEROES. I’m not kidding.

    I’m a Jodi Arias and Arias family supporter. I think her trial was grossly unfair. I don’t have cable, so I’ve never seen HLN (apparently this is something for which I should be thankful!). I watched the trial online. I had never even heard of Jodi until after she was done with her testimony (I watched a lot back on youtube, after the fact)…but my aforementioned jackass co-worker was always blathering on about Jodi this, Jodi that. So I finally asked her: “Who is Jodi?”…and she launched into a hateful diatribe which I won’t repeat here. But something about her version of events nagged at me…a little flutter in my tummy that usually signals my intuition to falsehoods and fallacies. I decided I had to know more…and so I read some random articles online and nothing felt “right” about what was being reported. It was that very day that I decided to type into Google, “What if Jodi Arias is innocent?” and BAM, there you guys were. Yay!!

    I held back my judgement of innocence for a while…I wanted the facts. After reading geebee2’s wikipage and looking at photos, reading the police report, etc. I knew I had all the facts I needed to believe Jodi was innocent of premeditated murder. I sometimes waver in believing she even killed him! I know the intruder thing is far-fetched…but those facts just click together like a puzzle. (I still have to go read the new article posted above.)

    Anyhow…I guess I should shut-up already. I really just wanted to say hello and tell you all how much I have come to admire and respect your passion and your hearts.

    • Welcome, LittleBird. We are a positive, welcoming community of intelligent minds and happy to have you as a supporter.

    • Pull up a chair, Little Bird, and make yourself at home.

      No worries, unless you immediately ask for the vent password or make offhanded insults to Jodi, We are here to support Jodi, and she needs all the support she can get!

      • Renee’…I will never ask for the vent page password. There is nothing I would say there that I wouldn’t say here, and I recognize that it’s your safe space! I’m just happy to be able to have a place to commune with like-minds!

        And heaven forbid I ever insult Jodi. She is a sweet, gentle soul who needs our support. There is enough hate out there. I won’t contribute to it.

      • Or expose your neck to Renee’ as she is looking for a test volunteer lol. Just kidding….welcome!

        • Heehee…tnlucy! I’ve read enough to trust her…and to know how to behave myself here! 🙂

          • Hey! LOL… was just looking for a volunteer…. 😉

            I am harmless, LB, no worries.

            • Hmm…I’m a sucker for volunteer work, but I think I’ll have to pass on this particular experience. 😉

    • Welcome. Your jackass co-worker is a hater. I haven’t been able to get myself to forgive them for their hate yet. But Jesus tells us too.

      Forgive them father for they know not what they do.

      • Jeff- Lol.

        Yes, Jesus does teach that, and as a follower of Him, I am instinctively averse to the black haze of hate that surrounds her. I have to work with her, but I don’t have to like her! 🙂

        I try to never harbor ill-feelings towards any other human because we can’t know what happened to shape them. However, this trial has tested my limits on that. When I first started searching for answers I made the mistake of “liking” a TA support page on FB…oh my gosh…I was absolutely floored and sickened by what I saw there. I unliked them about 20 minutes later. I learned my lesson!

        • Against my better judgement I still occasionally view the Haters vs Jodi Arias page. It is ALWAYS the same. 90% screaming women with pitch forks. Once in a while there is someone who posts something reasonable and scolds them for the rabid hatred. But they are greatly outnumbered.

          • Oh gosh, Jeff…you are a braver soul than me! That’s a scary, scary place. Lol. It really does worry me to realize how much hate is in this world. It’s like it’s breeding or something…it just keeps growing!

    • Welcome Little Bird!

      Don’t take Renee’s chicken comment above personally!

    • Welcome Little Bird to our little sane corner of the world. 🙂

      I would like to thank you for doing a bit of home work before jumping in with both feet. That goes along way toward understanding the purpose of this site.

      • Jaz…it’s my nature to seek out truth and understanding. I’m just glad I found it here!

    • Welcome LittleBird!!!! Im so glad to see more people supporting Jodi. Whatever your beliefs are, weather you blv she had to fight back in SD or the intruder story (NOT far fetched at ALL to some); if your supporting Jodi, that’s GREAT!

      • Thank you LC!! I realized it was time I finally became more vocal in my support…I’m a little ashamed for taking so long. 🙂

    • Hey! You have made my day! If just one more person believes in Jodi;s innocence because of the work I did, that makes it all worthwhile. Thanks so much for posting.

      • Hi geebee2!!! I should have included you as a HERO of mine. Your work was pivotal in my coming to believe in Jodi’s innocence. What you have done is nothing short of brilliant! I know that Jodi must have heard of you by now…and she must be so moved that a stranger would take so much time and effort for her cause!

        • Well thanks, I don’t know if Jodi knows anything about my efforts, I hope she does one day.
          I have great respect and admiration for Jodi, she has come through a hellish situation with great dignity and courage and is fighting for things that are really worthwhile, with utterly minimal resources. That’s pretty inspiring.

          “Better to die fighting for freedom then be a prisoner all the days of your life.”
          ― Bob Marley

          • Ahh Geebee2 absolutely!

            these are some of my fav ‘s..

            When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace” – Jimi Hendrix

            “All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent. -Thomas Jefferson

            “Civil disobedience becomes a sacred duty when the State becomes lawless or, which is the same thing, corrupt. – Mohandas Gandhi

    • Welcome to our family Little Bird!
      Feel at home,we don’t bite (well…we only bite haters 🙂 )

      I’m Maria,your greek friend and since you confessed you felt shy and didnt post for a long time,let me tell you I had second thoughts wayyyyyyyyy back when I started posting here because of mother language interference problems but these guys are super!!! They immediately made me feel at ease and dont mind if I sometimes sound incomprehensible LOL!

      • Hi Maria! I know who you are. 🙂

        I’m glad to hear you say you were shy at first too…it makes me feel better!

  56. This really sums it up thanks for posting this SJ 🙂 It’s been 6 months since I started meditating and I’ve learned about 2D-5D dimension worlds. I agree with Richard in how the prosecution viewed this case in a 2D dimensional world. You know how scary that is? We have ignorant idiots in charge of the legal system? At this day in age we should be beyond that and be at a 4D or 5D dimensional world. So many haven’t gotten the memo to get with the program ha-ha. Do any of you understand this? It’s like we’re a computer and need to upgrade our minds to a 4D or even a 5D dimension world so that we can understand and function as more knowledgeable sharp human beings. Also in order to understand this type of self defense you need to be a knife fighting expert. We didn’t’ see any of those experts in this trial. I’m sure if they were the majority of this population wouldn’t understand. They only saw what they wanted to see a Jodi behind bars guilty of M1.

    Have a meowy day ^..^˷˷

      • Purrrrrrrrrrr.. yes kitten. some say we can get to 8 dimensions..and I say then what?

        Love

    • I do, she whispered meekly in a corner…
      I keep saying the digital age is revolutionary, grass roots movements are happening because of world wide media, major change is erupting all over the world.
      Local’ is not local any more it’s universal communication and why I care millions of miles way.
      People are here from all over the world.
      It might have to get a whole lot worse before it gets better.

    • “Also in order to understand this type of self defense you need to be a knife fighting expert.”
      Meowington, that is the biggest truth of this case. It needs to be shouted from the mountaintops.
      It is the only way.

  57. Hello, Everyone. This is the very first time I have ever even attempted to post to any blog/website/social network. Actually, this is the first time that I have felt motivated enough to do so. I’ve been sitting back for months now, watching the trial – and staying away from Dr. Drew, NG, HLN, TruTV, and all of the other garbage-spewers – because they were biased from the get-go, and it is INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY. Seems like many people have to be constantly reminded of that. Amazing. Anyway, I feel that I am somewhat familiar with many of you from your posts and I do side with your views on most every aspect of this case. This is the only place where I feel like the participants aren’t poisonous. They (meaning all of you) are real. At the very of beginning of the trial I was sure Jodi was innocent. Then, after listening to JM, I felt she was guilty, BUT that there was reasonable doubt. To me, there has ALWAYS been reasonable doubt. Now, after reading the article by Richard Speights, I am back to believing that JA was 100% justified and that she killed TA because she was fighting for her life. Also, TA was a creepy dude – seriously (just sayin’).

    • Oh yay! I’m not the only new kid. Yippee!! Maybe we can sit together at lunch…lol.

      • The new kids are required to stand on their heads while reciting the alphabet.

        😉

        Just kidding, loves.

              • well ya all gotta sift through the garbage can too.. I mean.. like.. hell yah..

                anyway.. Jodi was certainly haveing a melt down in that interview..I mean..who wouldn’t:.. doing yoga and snooping in the garbage is..quite frankly..something I would do! ..thingk about it.. hours in that chari with Flores breath beathing down your neck.. with the most smoothing “brotherly” voice.. yah all know that Flores is a MoMo..dontcha

        • Oh dear…I can do the alphabet thing…but if “uncoordinated clumsy goofball” were a name, it’d be mine!

          • My experiment has been put on hold; no one can stand on their head, when the head is barely attached to the neck 😯

            • I find fault with your theory and can guarantee I can find a great medical examiner to say that they indeed can stand on a barely attached head. ORRRRR if you want to prove they cannot then I can get him to say that as well. Goes by the name of Horn…….

              • Horn would testify that one can be dead for three years and come back to life. Horn would testify the easter bunny and santa are real, if some one paid him enough.

                • WHAT!!!???? What are you saying Renee’? Santa is not real? I have simply heard it all now. I must go take a minute to collect myself. Of all the cockamamie theories I have heard this takes the cake.

        • Oh c’mon Renee!Dont make them stand on their heads because if someone happens to catch it on tape then they’ll go to HLN,air it and claim they are as crazy as Jodi who did the handstand 😉

          Welcome newbies!!!!!

      • I too am new in town. “ABCD…..” I am also shy and treading softly. There’s a lot that I would like to share.

          • My first reason for being here is that I am a survivor. I wasn’t physically abused, but abuse doesn’t take only the shape of scratches and visible bruises. I am proof that abuse invokes memory lapses. Just plain abuse and not the fight for your life kind of abuse. My heart aches for Jodi.

            • Yes Liza..verbal abuse can make a person forget what was said..especially if the verbal abuse was given by a trusted source…

        • Meow away LizA ….. 🙂 You’re in a huggable group no one bites….not! lol

          • I have heard that I bite…. but I usually come back and apologize after 😉

              • Ah, good! I was beginning to think I was the only dog person!

                I always had multiple dogs, but now I’m down to an only dog – Boston Terrier pup Lucy. I might try to figure out how to put her up as my avatar.

                • I come from a long line of dog lovers. . . We have as many dogs as people in my family.

                • Journee, I love dogs! Both of mine went to heaven and before I knew it, I morphed into a crazy cat lady! I need some canines to balance things. 🙂

        • I’m a newbie as well….just found this site and joined after a few days of reading the articles and comments.

          I’ll sit at the table with the other newbies. The more the merrier!

          • From what i can tell, based on the new supporters that have found the courage to finally crawl out of the woodworks even just today is an example of how support for Jodi is multiplying.

    • Shelly, what was it that JM said, that had you change your mind from innocent to guilty????? Wow, that’s a shock to me. Don’t get me wrong, everyone has there own opinions and reasons but its NOT that much that I see where someone from changes there minds from innocent to guilty based on what Martinez said. Afterall, everything he brought up was “circumstantial” if he was not speculating.

      It was until you read Richard R. report that you blv Jodi to be innocent again????
      I wonder if any of the JURORS would feel the same if theyd read this report too.

  58. Well, then I will share this about myself —> I am A HUGE animal lover who “specializes” in cats. 😀

      • Yep! I think we cat lovers here outnumber dog lovers of the site.

      • When you have a cat as your master/mistress, you have to go with the flow. You can’t be rigid or inflexible. A cat will not allow it and you will only cause yourself great frustration. That’s why those who live in households with cats can dare to see beyond the media sludge about this case. Our minds are not fixed on the shit they’re shoveling. We looked further, made our own investigations to come to our own conclusions which, I might add, continue to evolve. CATS RULE! But dogs are COOL, too!

      • I had four; lost one last month. Now I have three inside, and i am caring for about 10 feral outdoor babies with no homes.

        • Renee’…I’m sorry for your loss. 🙁

          I cared for a colony of ferals when I first moved into the place I’m at now…about 5 years ago. Over time I managed to get 2 local resuce groups to help me. One group rescued a bunch of kittens and placed them for adoption…they relocated the crazier adult kitties to a farm in the country…Barn Cats they call them. The other group was a catch, spay/neuter and release group…they managed to capture all the remaining females. Once they were spayed, they were returned to my property. The males took off b/c they weren’t getting anymore good, good lovin’. After all that, there were 3 little ladies left. One was adopted by a neighbor, one is still with me (outside)…and sadly, the other I had to put to sleep a few months ago. She was a very old cat and had gotten very sick. She stayed in my home the last few months of her life…I tried my best, but it was her time. It BROKE my heart. 🙁

          Damn…I need to stop talking so much! Sorry!

          • 🙁 I am sorry for your loss…. and dont apologize for talking dear, that is what this place is for…a safe place to talk to other people with critical thinking skills… those who refuse to drink the Koolaid of the haters.

            🙂

    • I love cats. Am I currently in morning for my kitty Yale and he died of Leukemia last year. Igot him hen I left home and he was my truest friend for 10 years. I think it will be awhile before I can have another. Someday though…..

      • I do have one ferrel. I live on the water and he seems to kill the rats that go hand and had with living by the shore. That’s a lot of fur babies Renee’, awesome that you help care for them.

        • Jaz..I had a feral once..lived on a creek near the shore..he was a big black with green eyes..one eye was continually pussy..my daughter and I fed him from our basement apt door right by the creek..one day he gave us a gift..a huge rate deposited right in the middle of the kitchen floor!!

          we were trapped in the lvr..and waited until the guy upstairs came home so he could get rid of that huge rat!!! lol

      • I’m so sorry Jaz. I well understand loss. My baby Dolly Mae was my first baby when I left home the first time. I had her for 16 years and she had a stroke and we had to put her down the day before my bday. When I came back to my apt for the first time, my then fiance, now husband got up and came to kiss me because he was leaving for the store. When he leaned down she zipped from my feet to his face in about one sec with a growlllllll! Get away from my mama don’t care who you are. She was his baby toooooooo but loveddddd her mama more. When I had to go to my mamas after chemo, she went with me and grrrrrrrrrrrrrd at everybody and she knew who it was when they opened the door or stepped in, lol and she didn’t care. Mama always just said ok dollyyyyyyyy ok it’s ok, lol.

        Then the day before my daughters 16th bday we lost her ferret baby loki this year. I loved that baby soooooooooooo much. He was just wonderful and he gave the best nose kisses ya could ever ask for. Anyway, I well understand.

        • I love how animals protect the ones they love and shun the people they chose not to like.

          Thank you for your kind words. ♥

      • I am sorry for your loss. It is so hard to lose a beloved furkid. I’ve been there several times and it sucks.

    • Shelley…I have 3 masters…I mean, cats (they make me call them that). And I look after a little bitty stray kitty who I’m trying to convice to be my 4th “master”. So far she’s content with me serving her outside. Lol.

      BTW…one of the reasons I felt comfortable here was the obvious atmosphere of animal love.

      • LB, there is one outside here too I am trying to make him want to come in for good. We named him Van Gough, because one of his ears has been ripped off in a fight.

        • My little one goes by the most unique name of: Kitten. Yes, I know, I know…where does my creativity come from? (I also have a cat named Mama Cat…b/c…yep, she had kittens when I met her…lol.)

    • I pray to God she does NOT accept life; especially if that involves waving appeals…No, Jodi, no no no no

      • Based on how she feels about life I want to believe a no appeal deal would not be something she would agree to.

      • Absolutely NO,NO,NO,NO! I’ve said it before.Why would she take a deal if it means Life without Parole and no Appeals?? I pray she is smart and psychologically strong enough to see clearly that hers is as strong case for the Supreme Court. We can do ,it Jodi baby!
        No deal!!

    • the first call from a woman, who discussed her violent husband, how she ended the relationship, and that she understood and sympathized with jodi’s situation

      however to me, it was clear from what gagic said that he had almost no comprehension of the domestic violence alyce talked about

      i stopped listening

      his shortcoming in understanding was, i suspect, why he was willing to throw in the towel for jodi to lesser charges
      no way
      ta attacked jodi; she feared for her life, and with good reason; then jodi killed ta
      end of story
      i have absolutely no gripe against gagic
      he was very polite, allowed the caller time to speak, and calmly asked her questions and listened to her answers

  61. She shouldn’t accept life. She needs a genius defense attorney (yes, I know they are expensive). There are SO MANY problems with the conviction!

    • No deal!! at this point Jodi should not accept anything but absolute TRUTH in this matter. And a competant , non prejudicial defence and prosecutor and judge should convene a fair and true court.but what about the Jury you say/ can Arias (and every time I hear Jodi refered to as Arias I cringe..),, get an untainted jury? a new jury who has never heard of this case???? travesty I say !!

      Someone knows someone who can elevate this to the next level and right a huge wrong !!!!!!!!!

      • What happened to that defense attorney that was seen sitting behind jodi one of the final days?

          • No there was an older gentleman seated behind her dressed in a suit. Someone said he was high profile criminal defense atty. Someone posted his name here, but i dont recall it. From what i understood his law practice approach was controversial but effective. Why would he just show up if he had no intention of representation.

  62. Oh no!! Jaz, I just read your post. I’m so sorry to hear about your cat. Oh, no!! When my cat died, my husband and I felt like we did not want to go on. No way to make it better. So horrible. I’m very sorry to hear it.

    • Thank you.
      It was hard but The struggle was hard so I find peace in he no longer is in pain. ♥ I will make him my avatar soon.

      • I’ve been through it a few times with both dogs and cats…it’s never an easy thing. But the joy they impart in our lives is worth the pain of losing them. And there is no other love like the love of a pet!

  63. Ha! Renee, my husband and I take care of 3 colonies of ferals. You know, they are some of the MOST loving cats. 😀 We take them to the vet when needed, too. We fixed a mouth infection for one cat and ended up keeping her. Now that she is pain-free and living it up, she is quite the “house-cat”. 😀

  64. Sorry to be reading posts out of order! Yes, I 100% agree that the obvious love of animals is one of the things that has drawn me to this site.

    • Shelley dear, since you are new to the blogosphere, I can give you pointers along the way if you like. For instance, if you want to comment directly to someone else’s comment, the way to do so is to hit the “reply” button directly under their comment rather than commenting from the bottom of the page again. I hope that helps you a bit…and that I don’t sound bossy or anything. I’m just trying to offer a helping hand…or paw. 🙂

  65. Hi guys, I left and came back. I went to the PO to send some post cards to Jodi and then ran around. My gravatar is from one of my fave books/movies (the new movie w Johnny Depp) Alice and Wonderland. It’s Alice looking up at the Cheschire (Spelled wrong) cat and it says we’re all very mad here. My favorite is the white rabbit saying not all who wonder are lost, but that was so light colored you can hardly see it. 🙂

  66. Hi I did read that link before and it seems to be clear that Jodi’s defense did bother to bring forensics from the crime scene into trial.20/20 hindsight , but hopefully for future appeals that is something they should do.

  68. OK all….off to the gym to work off some stress. Love and hugs to you all. Hold down the fort.

  70. Yes. Dale, if ever there was a case ripe for successful appeals, this would be IT !!!!!

  71. AAAAAHHHHHHHHH sooooooooo I see we have fresh meat………………………….muahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh and YUM

  73. Well, guys I’d love to stay and talk but as usual I have to get up and get the grill agoin! I’ll check back soon I HOPE!

  74. Wes – I hope you’re still here! Holy Moly! The only time I’ve read anything like what you wrote was in graduate school and how to use statistics in paper and how to spot a paper that has misused statistics. Which happens all the time. My fave saying was Statistics means never having to say you’re certain.

    I don’t think I’ll ever be able to read all of that but you are someone that I’m glad is on Jodi’s side!

    • Danielle

      liked the saying lol

      don’t be concerned about reading it by whenever
      save it for sometime in the future
      some time maybe study a fragment

      to quote myself:
      lol

      “DON’T be overwhelmed, or discouraged, it takes time
      don’t be impatient with yourself, or in too much of a hurry to learn it ALL quickly
      … you’ll find it’s a gradual, or organic process, a journey

      over time the bits and pieces will come together

      REMEMBER Abe was self-taught in the law.
      “Lincoln quickly realized that he was equal in ability and effectiveness to most other attorneys,
      whether they were self-taught like Lincoln or had studied with a more experienced lawyer.”
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_life_and_career_of_Abraham_Lincoln#Prairie_Lawyer

      • I thank you a lot bc it’s something that I’m learning I really should know about! What I thought the law was about seems all upside down and turned around!

      • I also copied your post to a word document to save so I wouldn’t lose your post!

  75. Jaz if you are here, here are the jails photo rules:

    Photographs
    • NO POLAROID PICTURES
    • Up to five photographs may be mailed to the jail (or dropped off in the visitation lobby)
    provided the envelope is clearly marked “PHOTOGRAPHS.”
    • Photographs may NOT be larger than four inches by six inches.
    • The inmate name and booking number must be written on the back of each photograph.
    Nothing else is to be written on the photographs.
    • Photographs must be unaltered, and may not contain any adhesives, such as stickers or
    labels.

    • I was thinking of printing it on letter size. But I could definitely do it on photo paper too. Thanks for the info.

      • You know Renee”
        I received my shirt today.
        I have never been abused, BUT I know many that have. ONE is too many.
        I know that they say I might be abused and just saying I have freinds that have been abused.

        But I’ve been very fortunate. My husband has concerns for the ones that we know that have been abused and I’m sure we know some that are being abused in some way and NEVER talk about it.

        Strange thing after I received the shirt I was kind of depressed or maybe sad, but couldn’t figure out why. I told my husband that nothing had happened, However I had received the Jodi T-Shirt just about 10 minutes before that. I seriously was crying. Does that mean I’m losing it?
        I know you’re not Ann Landers. lol
        But it really effected me. I’ve been very emotional about this trial PLUS the way that Jodi is treated by the media and the public.

        I guess I figure I can’t do nothing about it, BUT I sure do want to.
        I know you wonder why I’m telling you this. lol
        But it was the post about the T-shirt!

        OK, Doc, I’ll get off f the couch now. lol

        Thanks for the therapy.

        Be back when I get the Cat Eye! : )

  77. Hi Little Bird (I like your name), Shelby and LizA!

    It’s funny I’m a huge animal lover too. I love them all. Not bugs though! My favorites are cats. I live w three boys now and I’m just there for whatever they want. No they are snugglers.

    I do feel like animal people are kind of different than non animal people. It’s like they carry more empathy and love. I don’t know.

  78. First I want to say, where was this guy when the trial was going on???? I always knew that IF Jodi did this by herself, the crime scene alone could tell a 1st grader that one hell of a life or death fight took place in that house. Somebody was going to die that day. I think the defence did many things right, but I always wondered why they didn’t have an expert come in and at least TRY to offer some explaination of what happened and how. We can only hope this will be done on appeal.

    Second, I want to say that it bothers me to see this sight fragmenting, hurt feelings and mistrust amongst us. In reality, if many of us were to meet, there are many things we wouldn’t agree on, its highly likely that many of us wouldn’t even like each other. HOWEVER, we do have one very important thing that brought us together, that brought us to this site. We are intelligent, critical thinkers, and we were able to determine early on that we were being fed a line of bullshit from HLN (spit). Primarily it’s our support of Jodi that brings us here.

    When I first arrived here I can’t even begin to tell you the great relief and vindication I felt to have found all of you. The hatred is so saturating, it was hard to imagine that there were any others who agreed with me. I was beginning to think I was the only one. After my first visit here, I came to the site every day. Even if I didn’t make a comment, I felt at home and that I was in good company. Many times my questions were answered without my even voicing them. I felt respected, and that my opinion mattered. If I was in error over anything, I was corrected politely and educated with the correct information. Never did I feel patronized. There is such a good mix of people that it seems that all potential areas are represented, from law, to medical, to practical and everything in between.

    I come to this site daily, because I am committed and in this for the long haul. I really don’t have much expertise to contribute, just the occasional bitch session that really doesn’t add much to the conversation. I read with great interest everything you all have to say.

    The sad part is, much of this negativity has been brought down on us by the haters, and they will love thinking they are having an impact on this site. As the months pass, if the daily comments dwindle down from 2000+ to 1500, then 1000, then below 500, it’s going to look like Jodi is loosing support when really that’s not the case. If anyone chooses to no longer post, it doesn’t mean they support her any less. It only means they are supporting her in a different way. The haters will not see it that way though. They will see it as just another victory against Jodi.

    Thanks SJ for all you do here. It staggers my mind the amount of work goes into creating and maintaining a site like this.

    Later guys…………….I will be quietly lurking and making the occasional comment now and then.

    Try to get along , it’s what gives us strength.

    • From what i can tell, based on the new supporters that have found the courage to finally crawl out of the woodworks even just today is an example of how support for Jodi is multiplying.

      • Yes it’s possible we are gaining more supporters but in the past it would be nothing for us to have 3000+ posts in one day. SJ would have to set up three different pages on the same date. Now we are taking days to accumulate 800 posts.

        Of course part of the reason is that now that court is over there isn’t as much going on to post about. I just would hate to see some of the excellent posters leave here because they have been offended by somebody. However, I know in my heart that even if they no longer post, their belief in Jodi remains steadfast, and they will still be behind her, but in a different way.

        In the meantime, welcome lizA and any other newcomers. It’s never too late! Always glad to see more support for Jodi and hear your point of view.

    • I agree BevM I don’t want the haters to think that because the amount of posts have gone down that the number of Jodi supporters has gone down. I think their hate has pushed quite a few into being lurkers.

      There are people I miss that used to post and people I don’t. I wish some of the good ones would’ve said goodbye. Hopefully they will pop in again one day.

      • I agree Jaz I will miss them, but I feel comfort in the belief that their support remains strong. I just don’t want the haters to ever have the satisfaction of thinking they are having any impact on the support for Jodi. The only thing they might be succeeding in is causing some dissent, and some may not post as often or at all.

        I don’t think anything has come to light that would cause any of us to withdraw our support for Jodi. In my case, the more information I am exposed to, the more supportive of Jodi I feel, and the more appalled I am that this young lady is locked up when there’s so much she could be contributing to this world. Such a travesty! Makes me furious but very sad and I hate this feeling of helplessness.

    • Hiya BevM
      I think you will find that the haters will dwindle down much faster than the supporters. Why? Hate needs a place to fester, if there is nothing going on there is no reason for hatred so it moves on to something else. Support is something that is always there, always within reach, never far away 😀

      • Very good point Debbie. Glad you mentioned it. Also the haters tend to have a short attention span, verified by their inability or unwillingness to really look at the evidence. Something else will quickly take their attention away.

  79. Hey everyone. I posted this on the previous page, but some of you might not have seen it so, if it’s okay, I’d like to re-post this here. This is my response to Dr. Drew and his question “What kind of person supports Jodi Arias?” I sent this to Dr. Drew earlier today via link on Twitter. So far, he has not responded yet. Not surprised. Here is my post:

    HLN’s Dr. Drew Pinsky posed this question last night to his viewers: “What kind of person supports Jodi Arias?” This is my answer and response to him:

    Dr. Drew, since you asked the question, let me give you an answer: the kind of person that supports Jodi Arias is less interested in fame and more interested in helping others through anonymity. They’re the kind of person that is less interested in making money from this case and exploiting the dead and more interested in raising awareness by championing the survivors of abuse. They’re the kind of person that is less interested in trying to find lies and more interested in finding the truth. They’re the kind of person that is less interested in having their hands and wallet open for cash and more interested in having their hearts and minds open for love. They’re the kind of person that wants justice as opposed to revenge, life as opposed to death, love as opposed to hate and they recognize that Jodi Arias is not perfect, but love and support her because they see her for who she really is, not the caricature you and others have made her out to be.

    Dr. Drew, you mention how there are those who have chosen to “piggyback” on the coattails of Jodi Arias for fame. With all due respect, you and your colleagues might want to take a look in the mirror to see who the real culprits are of this. You and your cohorts at HLN have been more in bed with Travis Alexander in the past 5 months than Jodi Arias ever was. You have given and allowed Travis’s family, friends and supporters free reign on your daily and nightly television shows to trash, smear and attack Jodi Arias without giving her or her family a chance to respond without being shouted down or mocked and ridiculed. I could expect this type of behavior from the others at your network, but not from a man like you whom I know has interacted with many troubled individuals whose problems are analogous to Jodi’s. You, of all people, sir, should know better. Everyone knows that a doctor’s M.O. is “do no harm”. You have done nothing but harm to Jodi Arias, her family and her supporters. But most of all, and you probably don’t even realize, you will wind up doing even greater harm to yourself.

    I choose to support Jodi Arias because I hate domestic violence whether the abuser is a man or a woman. However, the majority of abusers are men and the majority of survivors are women. And, sadly, a lot of men choose to remain silent or sit on the sidelines instead of speaking out against domestic abuse and letting women know that they aren’t the only voices that wish to be heard. We do so out of love, Dr. Drew, not for fame, not for money, not for anything other than love and support which these women so desperately need. And, on a personal note, we have heard a lot about religion during this trial. I find it hard to fathom that Jesus Christ would be giving high-fives to Travis Alexander’s family for the way they have and continue to spew hatred out of their mouths for Jodi Arias. I can’t speak for the Mormon religion since I am a Catholic, but I believe that my God is one who places more value on the actions and deeds of those who do His work over the rhetoric and speeches of those who claim to.

    We support Jodi, not because she is perfect and infallible, but because she is imperfect and many of us identify with her and her situation. And we love her unconditionally as a woman who has shown those of us who choose to see her without bias as someone that is generous, compassionate, passionate and loving. We’re not ashamed to say that we not only love her 9 days out of 10, we love her 24/7. And, in closing, I’d just like to say that out of something tragic comes something good and that is this: her supporters have become extended family to each other. If you look at the people and posts on the pro-Jodi Arias websites, you will find almost every one of them to be positive and uplifting. Contrast that to the anti-Jodi Arias websites where you will find almost every one of them to be negative and hateful. We do it for love, Dr. Drew, unconditional, undying, unwavering love for a woman that most of us have never met, but whom also has become a member of our extended family. Thank you.

  80. Also Abused, if you are still reading here today, I posted a comment after your long and EXCELLENT analysis of the trial on the other Cat’s Eye page ————->.

    Hope you are having a wonderful day!

    • Oh, the post where you said I had Borderline Personality Disorder? I saw the post, trialtoogoodawordforit.

      I assure you I do not have BPD.

      Have a wonderful evening, and if you want to talk about projecting, why not just project to the source (me)!

      🙂

      • Humm really? I don’t get supporters flinging arrows at each other.. please stop it guys

      • Renee, see post I made at bottom of Cat’s Eye page, i.e. didn’t know (and still not convinced) that you were the mystery person she alluded to, (or one of several). Not sure why you seem so certain that I knew who she was referring to when I wrote that – AA took great pains not to mention anyone in particular and I hadn’t read all the posts yesterday when I wrote that. BTW assuredly was a stupid joke, but I explain more on Cat Page. Sorry for any perceived snarkola – was unintended. Take care, and have a nice evening too.

        • In other words, Renee, (and I feel I should make this clear for the other posters) I never accused you personally of having BPD.

          I never posted on the internet or visited any blogs or chat rooms before coming here. I am not comfortable joking around on web sites like some of you. I guess I never will be. I should say I don’t put much stock in that diagnosis anyway since it is so easily manipulated, misconstrued, etc. And now, since that alleged personality disorder is being abused to convict Jodi and to try to sentence her to death, that particular diagnosis is really nothing more than a joke to me.

          AA has also written about BPD/PTSD so that is the main reason I made a joke out of it. As you could see I put “BPD lol”. I’m not a psychologist, so that’s as much as I could say on the subject.

          Renee, I hope you consider treading more carefully and give others the benefit of the doubt before calling them out in the manner you have. Had no clue you had any difficulties at all with AA when I made the joke, and really, you didn’t have much reason to believe I would have had a clue. If you read my posts, I usually write them very carefully. Don’t you think “projecting” at you would have been out of character for me? And wouldn’t something underhanded have been out of character for me as well?

          I feel bad that I spent so much time defending myself here today. I guess it’s time for me to take a break too. This should be about Jodi. I just got really tired and slid off the mark last night but I wasn’t going after anyone in particular and I apologize for taking anybody’s time who read this and is thinking, what?

          Good night, all!

          • have fun on your break. I dont know you I have seen little to nothing posted by you, and yes, when you toss the diagnosis of BPD out there to someone you dont know, I will call you on it.

            without apologies. How long have you been posting?

          • I understand. When I read it I knew you weren’t talking about renee. It was obvious you didn’t know what was going on with her and AA.

          • This is all very sad. My first posting was the Saturday after the verdict. Someone made the comment regarding how people were showing up “post verdict” seemingly to horn in on what everyone else was already doing. I mentioned this before, but it was very “we were here first” in tone. Someone else posted how offended they were that people lurking were trolls in disguise just trying to glean information about people here. That was not at all the case with me. I lurked due to a very introverted nature and a past history of being ridiculed when I spoke openly about past abuses.

            As far as BPD goes, my husband is schizophrenic. I mentioned the abuse I have received from him. My leaving resulted in his seeking professional help, humbling himself and our trying to work our way through it as a family. After 20 years of denial, the last five have been refreshing. He still has his episodes but we are beginning to understand their root cause and we are learning coping mechanisms that prevent things from escalating into gigantic personal fights and paranoid frenzies.

            All that being said, my pointis that BPD, Schizoprenia, bi-polar are all real issues that people deal with every day. That does not make them evil or bad people. It makes them difficult, believe you..me….but not evil. Fortunately, science is maturing to a point that the medical profession is more concerned about our mental health and the mental health of those care providers and family members who live with these conditions. It becomes a family disease just like addiction. To use those terms to denigrate or insult someone is childish at most! To be insulted BY THEM is just misunderstanding the complexities of mental illness.

            To use any mental disorder to convict someone is for society to say they really could care less about the well being of our members especially if that results in injury to someone else. How frightening it is for those who suffer from these diagnoses to be open about it knowing that they could or would stand accused of being a suspect just by the fact that they are diagnosed. My husband truly loved me but yes, he did verbally and physically threaten me. The verbal abuse was unbelievable at times. Had I moved outside of the denial and desire to protect him and US, his treatment would have begun earlier. He wants to be better but was afraid they would just lock him away. I actually shared that fear. Even today, we have lost friends who just don’t want to be around “someone crazy like him”. That’s o.k. That attitude alone can trigger denial and episoldes that are not necessary.

            Prisons are full of those who were not diagnosd, ridiculed, or just simply could not afford to get to the few facilities that actually have good treatment plans. We were lucky, the V.A. was at our back door and he is a veteran. I believe as more and more of this is exposed in the media, there will be more focus on treatment and prevention.

            Sadly, Jodi is now referred to by many as a “psychopath” and those making that reference seem to believe that this gives them the right to kill her off. Maybe she will, maybe she won’t fit back into society but there seems to be a new mental illness developing that begins with the sense of a right to hate someone else who has been a victim and turns into a “perpetrator” due to the damage to their mental capacities and the resulting disease. What part of using the words “hate” and “right to kill” in the same thought process makes one less of a psychopath than the one they are accusing? I guess that’s where I can’t get on the train. It’s taking these people to very dark places with a sense that they are entitled to be there. The next thing you know, they are going to start waiting outside the courthouse doors with sticks and stones while the prosecutors hand them more from a supply box in case they run out.

            I have sort of taken a drive around the block with this posting. None of us are entitled to harm someone else but some of us lose track of that when living in the circumstances that someone else has placed us in serious physical and mental fear! Instead of compassion and treatment for the resulting mental illness or the mental illness that was dormant that then became dominant, we choose to lock them up, accuse them relentlessly and punish them in such a fashtion that, were they actually allowed back into society, they would no longer be able to function productively. So where does that leave us…I believe in the same place that assuming we have any rights to call someone a name before knowing them or “hating” ANYONE leaves us…it’s neither healthy or safe!

            • Hello, Lee. I am kinda shy about posting anymore myself. I read your post and wanted to respond. I agree about the stigma of mental Illness. It hurts me. My brother is also schizophrenic. He is, hands down, the most gentle, kind human I know. He is also brilliant, with a genius IQ. He was a talented artist until MI took his drive. I love him deeply. I have many friends who are MI, and let me tell you, they are the best, most tolerant folks I have ever met.

              The time for the stigma of a MI diagnosis is over.

              We are all people. My brother was deeply misunderstood, until they found the right medication. I would spend the rest of my life erasing the stigma of MI if I were independently wealthy. But, alas, I am not. My husband is a mental health social worker…trying to remove the stigma one person at a time. I am in the legal field, and if i had my way, I would spend my life defending those who are not able to defend themselves.

              I am known as a bitch. That hurts me, for I am not.

              thank you for sharing, and if I have done anything to make you uncomfortable here, I am sorry.

              Renee’

              • I agree with you about mental illness stigma. It’s also time to stop stigmatizing those who suffered addictions and are now clean.

  81. overall, seems to me ppl get along fine here. can’t expect to agree 100%. we don’t simply “follow” like the mob squad haters.
    what many people here seem to bring here, besides an open mind, is EXPERIENCE. it seems many us have been thru some things (&/or ppl close to us) that helped us grow. i think this tends to make us a bit more humble, compassionate.
    we know the fragile state of life &/or freedom.
    i ended here after doing a search for info on Jodi situation. i KNEW what the “bad” was. when i saw the word ‘innocent’, THAT’s the side i did NOT know. my mind still wasn’t made up completely until things progressed. then, after the phone call, i was TRULY convinced that there HAD to b mitigating circumstances.
    as i’ve mentioned, ‘society’ expects ppl to extricate themselves from a situation that may b thrust upon them. if u r left standing, it can mean trouble in many ways. TOUGH decision to make in the heat of the battle, IMO.
    WHY jodi is disliked so often is for many reasons. yes, the hln’s STOKED the fire. that should not b allowed, imo. they’v made $$$ off trashing Jodi, even now.
    jodi interviews early on and the stories hurt her and it stuck.
    i saw them. it didn’t turn me off much cos i didn’t know enuf. the “no jury will convict me” really seemed to bother ppl. not a the brightest thing to say in public.

    there is a lot that doesn’t add up in the case. but jodi admitted a lot. too much, imo.
    BUT, she also didn’t back away that the results of that day deserved some punishment.
    ppl who want more than that, i think lack some life experiences.

    good luck to jodi! she deserves better, imo. as do MANY other so called inmates.
    i’m sure jodi appreciates the support here for her and her family.

    and look how jodi’s family acted… with a lot of respect and dignity, imo. i know a family who SHOULD learn from jodi’s family, but we know they won’t. they love feeling superior when they prob. haven’t in their “troubled” upbringing.
    lots of folk have it worse than them… tho i know any violent death is a hardship.

  82. Hmmm… someone wrote above how to get a gravatar, and I did all the steps except where the poster said to be sure to put this site for the ‘link’ – when I click on link I just see the picture I’ve selected.

    So we’ll call this a test to see whether I’ve done it right.

  84. I started letters last night too. I was in the shower and for some reason that’s the perfect place for deep thoughts. I got out wrote a long ass letter to Dr Drew, a letter to go the HLNs owners Turner and Time and a letter to the Gov of AZ. I still have more to go but I guess I’ll wait till after my shower LOL.

    • Omg Danielle are you serious, i thought I was the only one, that’s were I come up with all my great thinking too! LMAO!!!!

    • Hoping your letters do some good. If I was an AZ taxpayer I know I would be sending emails and burning up the phone bitching about the state wasting all those millions of dollars on a worthless death penalty trial and now thinking of throwing more good money after bad on a retry of the penalty phase.

    • Awesome, Danielle! 🙂 I love reading your posts and that you’re writing letters. You rock!

  85. Fairly new on this site, … Hope I am not off the subject but here goes:
    …….TODAY, ANNIVERSARY, MAY 30, of SORROW….. …May 30, 1431, Joan of Arc was BURNED AT THE STAKE by an unjustified court, just like the court of Jodi Arias. …About 25 years later, RETRIED by the Church, & completely exonerated & declared a MARTYR. …Centuries later, 1909, BEATIFIED by Pope Pius X, ….& in 1920, CANONIZED by Pope Benedict XV. …I proclaim that Jodi Arias is the LIVING SHADOW of Saint Joan of Arc. …Those who despise her should PRAY to Joan & Jodi or NEVER GET TO HEAVEN. …I especially mean this for the 7 siblings who want this all to go away. …No, the talk & communications about what will happen to Jodi Arias will never fade away but will stay forever in the minds of all who believe she is totally innocent. …Jodi Arias, innocent by self defense & inability to retreat. …… …….If you believe, no explanation is necessary. ….. …….If you do not believe, no explanation is possible. …

      • The trial was also held in England and she asked that her native French be involved but they were not allowed.

          • Yes Pat, she is a real saint, and only officially Canonized just in 1920, that is only a generation before I was born (1941). I always heard St Joan mentioned when I attended St Louis Cathedral Church & school when I lived in the French Quarter. I just realized that she was only age19 when executed. I read the timeline of her life on maidof heaven.com …and it said that she was captured in 1430, (near the end of the 100 YEARS WAR) & sold to the English by the French Duke of Burgundy for 10,000 francs. BAD POLITICS IN THOSE DAYS & still bad politics today, …that control this world, …especially now that the devils are in some major TV newoorks, & in some court systems. Coincidentally, about the Duke of Burgundy, ….I used to live on Burgundy Street, very near St Louis Cathedral when I was very young. I see that she was also known by other names: jean de arc, Joan of Arc, Jeanne d’Arc, Jehanne d’Arc, la Pucelle Saint Joan & probably many other names in other countries throughout the world. …I feel that the name of Jodi Arias will be remembered for hundreds of years also, even if she is vindicted & set free to live the rest of her life in freedom.

            • Let’s not forget the Apostle Paul! No one was an advocate for prisoners, rights of everyone, power of forgiveness than him. Let’s not forget the example he set for anyone being wrongfully prosecuted and/or convicted. Shoot…that leaves out the Master Himself…Jesus.

    • Thanks for the pleasant feedback Danielle & Pat & others on St Joan of Arc. My source of info is maidofheaven.com … She was age19 when executed in 1431, so she must have been in the French Legion since about age17, not actually in battle but building the confidence of the French against the English invaders towards the end of the 100 Years War. From what I read she was captured in 1430, put on (a bogus) trial in 1431 & executed May 30, 1431. ………. ….And I believe that Travis had a financial hold on Jodi because she accidently destroyed his car, in a towing mishap, that he tricked her into buying from him. And I think that was the reason she went to see him because he perhaps wanted to discuss pehaps getting his legal company to try to sue the towing/rental company for damages to the car. She was probably only going to see Mr Burns but Travis probably persuaded her to also see him in Mesa, ….that was not her plan to go see him. There was absolutely no premediation. But with the damaged car, she felt obligated to pay for, was probably the reason for the trip to Mesa. ..I wonder why the financial hold that Travis had on Jodi never came into the trial?

  86. I’ve been reading a lot today about Jodi being set up for TAs death. I’ve never looked at it that way but it would help explain the roommates claiming they knew nothing which has always bothered me.

    I just don’t understand why or who Jodi would go through all of this for.

    I always knew it wasn’t premeditated bc she’s a smart girl and would have had a better plan.

    I also never doubted the fog bc I’ve gotten so mad that I’ve reacted so fast it was almost like I didn’t know what I was doing. I’ve also been so scared that I didn’t notice what was going on around me, my only goal was to get safe and out.

    I think Jodi would have gone her whole life without hurting any creature not just a human a creature had she not met TA and that really make me so sad.

    • “I just don’t understand why or who Jodi would go through all of this for.”

      According to the intruder story, her family was threatened.

      Then factor in Ashley Thompson’s suspicious suicide (that’s why I was wondering aloud yesterday whether Nurmi or his investigators had interviewed Ashley before her death – they would still have been pursuing the intruder defense at that point).

      Jodi might have been well and truly convinced after Ashley’s death that she needed to change her story and stop trying to prove the intruders.

      • So she would have known the intruders and so did Ashley Thompson.

        Oh my goodness. I’m just sitting here shaking my head for a minute like how do we help fix this?

        • Ashley had phoned in an anonymous tip that she thought her estranged husband might be involved. She later recanted and Flores never even interviewed him.

          But, whether Dustin Thompson was involved or not, that is something that Jodi’s team probably WOULD have followed up on, (since the cops didn’t). And whether Ashley actually knew who WAS involved or not, the fact that she was being questioned (IF she was, and she certainly SHOULD have been) could have made her a target.

          I don’t know how we fix it.

        • And, for that matter, maybe Josh Freeman was flippin’ out, hearing that Jodi had been indicted and her arrest was imminent – flippin’ out because he KNEW she didn’t kill Travis. And she ate Sunday dinner with them all the time, they were like family to her.

          Remember, the gun he used to (ahem) shoot himself in the head – on the very day Jodi was arrested – was of such a small caliber that it took nearly a week for him to die. Like maybe a .25?

          • Yes, Journee, if Joshua Freeman (according to occupyhln.org), shot himself in the head (maybe with help) & lived a week, certainly it is possible for body builder Travis to take a small caliber to the face & get really, really, really angry at Jodi & certainly would have killed her if she did (what the stupid written law says): retreat to a neutral corner. She could not retreat, there was no neural corner. She used the LAW OF GOD & her instincts of Nature & hand to hand victory over the aggressor Travis. That happens, …sometimes the smaller persons wins, with the help of God.

        • I know I’m nuts but I would totally tell who did it. My family and I would have to figure out what to do. But, I’m not going to jail for something I didn’t do. Again I am going to thank God I live in Philly where I have a lot of crazy relatives who have gun collections. That’s true but it’s a joke.

          But I’d sing like a canary.

          • Would you really? I mean, you already know these people are capable of murder because you were THERE. Then another person dies. And maybe ANOTHER, in this same circle? If you and your family have figured out what to do, but how many people ‘out there’ in the ripples of that circle might be at risk?

            • I can’t be 100% bc I’m not in the situation. But I think I would. I wouldn’t believe that they wouldn’t hurt my family just because I did what they said. They would always have that over my head and could use that to make me do anything in the future also. I wouldn’t be able to live like that.

              • nah… come on, now. it’s been 5+ yrs. she is not ‘protecting’ anyone,
                her recollection may b impaired, but…

    • “I just don’t understand why or who Jodi would go through all of this for.”

      In the interrogation video, Jodi says that she couldn’t identify the intruders, only saying that one appeared to be a man and the other a woman.

  87. I truly believe that Jodi was in a life or death situation and she had to fight hard to make it out alive. The cuts to his back PROVE that. If you are stabbing someone in the back out of anger, come ON, you would make sureeeee, damn sure that the wounds were DEEP! She was tryin to get away!

    • I can’t believe it took him so long to stop attacking her! It’s no wonder she has PTSD. It sounds like something out of a horror movie. No matter what she did he just kept coming after her.

  90. I have a shih-tzu, a chihuahua, and a shichi, they are all wonderful babies. Pistol, the shih-tzu, macy the chihuahua, and Dappy, the shichi. I loveeeeeeeeeeeeee my babies! Then outside I have Painter, my kitty boy! love love love my Painter boy! He’s been off cattin lately/. I need to get him fixed soooooo bad. Anyway, those are my babies. Like ya’ll know, we lost out little ferret in March, he was a true light. I sure do miss that baby.

    • What does the shi-chi look like? Perky chi ears? Smooshy shih face? Long hair or short? I’m having a lot of trouble picturing Dappy!

      • LOL Dappy is smaller than the chihuahua who is his mother and def smaller than Pistol who is his daddy. He has a little bit of long hair and some short and has chihuahua face but shih-tzu mouth, he hops like a bunny, earl always straight up, climbs me like a mountain goat. He is hilarious!!!!!!!!!!!! I need some way to send ya’ll a vid

  91. I wasn’t trying to cause trouble for anyone here earlier. I was trying to warn everyone about the threats to post details about everyone here from Jodi Arias is a Butcher. I’m not worried about me because anyone can find me if they try. I use my real name and it’s an unusual one. I think you all have the right to use whatever name you want here without worrying about bullies digging into your personal lives.

    • Pamela, thanks for the warning but I’m not worried either I use my real name too. If anyone wants to find me just ask I’ll give you directions to my front door.

      Ray A. Chastain, Harrisonburg Virginia

      • I’d have to give directions because GPS doesn’t recognize our address! LOL

        • You must live out in the sticks, we’ve got a lot of those kinds of places here in Virginia 😀

          • Ray, I live in town, but everyone has to get mail at the post office. Our house is over 100 years old, but the house numbers don’t go as far as ours for GPS. That’s small town living for you.

            • I used to live in edinburg va. it is the same way, if you live in town you must get a p o box live out side of the town limits you get delivery……. go figure 😀

      • Sweet Home Alabama come on down I ain’t scared either.

        They don’t do face to face confrontations though they only hack an badger
        online. I pity the fool that shows up at my door too seriously harass me.
        People in the country don’t play like that.

    • Pamela…the name of that blog gives me anxiety! Who would do that? Even if they don’t believe Jodi’s innocence…they are mocking the entire tragedy!

  92. Mission one and Vent both are password protected, and I have no idea how to log into them. do I need to send my e-mail address to someone?

    • We can post comments here in support of Jodi and to discuss the case – what’s on your mind?

      • Thanks. I cant even get the option to sign in or make an acciunt. plus I would love the password for vent page. Am I missing something?

        • Micheaele,

          If you are a true JODI supporter, we welcome you… and feel free to support her on this main page. Passwords are for long term supporters who have been here since the beginning for those who needed a ” SAFE PLACE” …. There was a lot of drama pre-verdict with haters…. trolls and others that didn’t belong here.

          So for now, please support Jodi, feel free to express your thoughts, and discuss the trial.

          Hope this helps.

          • actually I have been posting here for weeks. I even spoke on dr dumbass last night in favor of Jodi. Ive asked several times for help and this is the first time anyone has even answered regarding signing up for wordpress or gravatar. I understand the caution, but its kind of frustrating to be deemed a troll on fb because you are fighting for what you believe in. Really nobody has approached me about anything until last night when I was posting about dr drew. I dont know about other “newbies” but I have watched this trial day in and day out and have suffered alone and it sucks. On fb I think they all have me blocked……I appreciate the instructions for sign up. Thanks.

            • Michaele,

              So sorry to hear that you are being blocked by everyone on FB…. I don’t do the social media FB b.s……. I am sorry you felt like you suffered through this trial alone….. It’s kinda reminds me of when a new kid comes to school and feels left out, and everyone gangs up on the otherside…. Not very supportive, and humble of humans.

              Please continue to support JODI and contribute to the posts…. and Welcome….

          • FUJuan, respectfully, I think you mixed up Michaele’s post with Taylor’s. Michaele’s was just asking for info on the Gravatar pics…not passwords to the private pages.

          • I’m a long time poster here, but I don’t have the password to those pages. I used to before they were changed, but I never received the new one. =/

        • In the middle of the page there is a block that says something like “enter email to get gravatar”

        • Hey, your pupper showed up a lot faster than mine! Picture looks a little dark on my monitor. What kind of dog is it?

          • lol It took me forever just to sign up and log in…..That is my Sophie. She is 11 months old. Maltese. Sweetest little baby ever. Maybe I should find a better pic. Your doggie is cute too.

    • Hi Janeen!

      It’s gotten quiet here all of a sudden. Did you run them all off?

      (jk, it’s been winding down for a bit now)

    • Janeen

      (((((((((((((HUGS)))))))))))))))) What’s up with all the B.S. on here today?

      • We checked for a full moon and didn’t find one….maybe it’s BLUE??!?!?!?!?

  95. Nothing personal but………..WHO IN THE HELL ARE YOU PEOPLE???????

    Overnight all these weird folks are posting here!!! Where have you been for the last 5 months???? Please I will not believe the bullchyt line……I have been reading the site…but didn’t post until now!!!!! Plhezzzzze kiss my golden brown curvy ass…!!!!!!!!

    • SJ is letting in new posters apparently. He wants to start giving people the benefit of the doubt.

    • ^5 Moni!!! ((((((((I LOVE YOU)))))))))))))

      Girl…you are sooooooooo awesome!!!!!!!!!

      LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

    • Hey now, I’m not weird. And I said pretty much the same thing when I showed up a few weeks back… and it was true, too!

    • Well, I for one, am a member here who does little posting. And exactly for the reason that the first time I did, I was accused of being a troll. It would seem to me that if a troll(s) are here, they would BE posting, not just sit back for months and say nothing. I could be wrong. Why am I here then, if I don’t post a lot? I’m here to learn and yes, I am here to support. But I am not here to be attacked by the very same people who say they are a ‘team’.

      • Then Dina….don’t take it personal…if I’m not speaking to you!!! If I’m not speaking to you why reply…in an effort to “defend” yourself or feel you are under attack as you say???………….. What makes you think I was referring to you in the first place…..just sayin’!!!!!!

      • HI Michaele,

        I think I remember you. Can you tell me what it was like to get on the Drew show? Did you get to talk live or did the producers ask you what you were going to say?

        • I got to talk live with a few second time delay. When I called in I was on a automated hold for a long time then a woman answered, asked what I wanted to say and then she transferred me to another girl who kept saying things like talk with enthusiasm….and not to say thanks for taking the call…..and she then kinda coached me and said I should come right out and say I hope she gets an appeal. I got really nervous and I dont know why. I almost hung up when they started going on about what kind of person supports Jodi. Like we gotta all be mental patients or something. Its mind boggling how this has happened. How many people are screaming for her blood. Ive never seen anything like this even for mass murderers or baby killers. Jodi never had a chance at a fair trial once HLN took interest. It disgust me. I wish I could have said more. Im disgusted by many things in this case. The so called innocent (my ass) victim and his loathsome family, the persecutor and his puppets. This is so wrong. I have a brother in AZDOC for felony murder and I have seen the AZ injustice system up close and personal. He too was facing death. Thank God they found the mitigationn to give him life.

          • Michaele, I’m very proud of you for the way you stood your ground and handled yourself on “Dr. Drew”. 🙂

    • Hi Moni, it’s nice to “meet” you. You can read my reasons above for not posting sooner and hopefully it will at least give you some background on my journey with Jodi. I will prove myself in time…and I won’t push you or anyone else to trust me before you are ready.

      But, yes….I must admit to being weird. I can’t help it….I was born that way. 😉

      • Thank you Little Bird:>)) And thanks for understanding I was not personally attacking you. I came out the way I did for a very good reason!!!! Welcome to our PLACE!!!!

        • Thank you Moni!! I didn’t take it personally, but I did want to try and ease your fears a little…about me at least. I’m here for our girl, Jodi!!

    • Pretty sure she’s there til sentencing, Krikee. Don’t know if she has any new mail rules, though, since she’s now locked down 23 hrs a day.

        • Well, she’s a pup still – not quite 8 months – but I don’t expect her to get to be more than 15 pounds. So on the small end of normal, but not miniature.

  97. Journee your avatar looks like my ‘grandson.’ My daughter has a Boston terrier and that’s what she calls him. lol I’ve had a long hard day at work so I didn’t really read the posts but saw a lot of new names. Makes me go….hmmm. Why scurry to the right side now? Has everyone suddenly seen the error of their ways or what? Call me suspicious but I need a little proof you’re on the smart side of the argument. If you’re sincere then good but some last minute pro-Jodi typing ain’t enough.

    • His name is grandson? hahaha I know that’s not what you meant – tho I know a lady who named her GSD bitch “Mother”, just so she could entertain the neighbors by cussing at “Mother” all day.

      I am thinking the newbies are turning up because there’s no news…. no new stories to read or court drama to watch. People who’ve only ‘connected’ to the case in that way have lost that connection.

      • reposted: Well, I for one, am a member here who does little posting. And exactly for the reason that the first time I did, I was accused of being a troll. It would seem to me that if a troll(s) are here, they would BE posting, not just sit back for months and say nothing. I could be wrong. Why am I here then, if I don’t post a lot? I’m here to learn and yes, I am here to support. But I am not here to be attacked by the very same people who say they are a ‘team’.

        • Hi Dina…

          I don’t remember your first time post. I will not address your comments about being accused of being a troll, but I will say – how do you expect us to consider you a member if you don’t post?

          Welcome to this site. I hope you have enjoyed reading and learning from it. I hope you stick around to support Jodi through the rest of this horror.

          The posters on this site are a TEAM. We have each others back. There is NO question about that. Our bond is unbreakable.

          • Exactly Janeen, you speak the truth and NUTTIN BUT DA TRUTH!!!!

            So DIna, if your a supporter, than welcome, and please feel free to post never ending support to Jodi, she needs all she can get right now. With that, I think there are quite a few “trolls” who only come here to read, and screenshot stuff for their hate pages, so not posting isn’t uncommon. If they do post, its removed post haste, and they are banned. You’ll have to understand that most of us are very suspect of new people coming here late in the game.

            Its too bad you didn’t feel the need to post sooner, especially during the trial, when we all were here speaking out on Jodi’s behalf. I for one have a hard time with people that don’t speak up, we all needed to support each other. But to each his own…..

            Carry on…….

          • Hi Janeen,
            Thank you. I have posted here before … a few times. I have enjoyed being here and reading so many intelligent and educating posts. Like the one that was posted at the beginning of today. All I have wanted through these past years is for Jodi to be free and recognized as the victim in this horrific case. I read today on CBC that the Defence’s appeal to Supreme Court to review the ‘cruel, factor was refused. So that means that the death penalty will still be a consideration once court re-starts.
            The deciding factor in this ruling is, as I understand it, that the gunshot was last … which nobody has ever proven to be a fact at all.
            Thank you for welcoming me, Janeen. It seems that most times when a topic comes up, or something new happens, …. someone else here beats me to the post and pretty much takes the words right out of my mouth. lol

            • Yes great minds think alike!!!!! We all pretty much answer each other’s questions and then some!!!!

              Half the time, I’ll read a post and say “wow, that was my next question…” LOL

              Stick around Dina….your support is DEFINITELY in the right place!!!!

              🙂

              • Great minds do think alike,you’re right sis!!

                And to all new people all I can say is please bear with us,please
                Where we’re coming from is a road of hardships and unfair attacks from trolls and hard core haters.We have NOTHING against true Jodi supporters.

            • awhile back I posted on FB regarding the GSW being the ONLY wound that could cause that medium velocity spray on the sink…..I even tried calling Wilmott and Nurmi telling them they need to focus on that…..The article was great and I was glad to see he noticed that too. I cant believe how dumb jurors are now. Didnt they even skim over the autopsy report? That jumped out at me because none of the wounds penetrated his airway to cause that pattern. He was shot first no doubt in my mind.

              • Considering who some of these jurors are it doesn’t suprise me in their thinking. I also think if this trial would of been shorter and to the point we would of gotten a very different verdict. Jodi, Alyce and Samuels were on the stand way to long ….. However, we can’t turn back the clock now, we can only move forward… to the Ninth District and hope and pray they hear the facts, evidence, and miscondut, that took place in AZ…

                • I agree they were on too long but I mainly blame juannabe for that rehashing every little thing beating it down beating down the witnesses and twisting everything they said. But you are right we cannot go back. Just gotta hope and pray for some justice for Jodi.

              • The blodd spatter on the sink could have only been the result of him spitiing blood out of his nose or mouth after the gunshot.The sinus cavity was affected. Whoever claims(jurors and Martinez included) something other than that is NOT using their head imo!

        • Dina,

          Don’t take it personal……… Please understand that when the verdict was brought down upon Jodi for M1, we had a lot of haters, and trolls……… We want as much support for Jodi as possible and to be united as a ” TEAM SUPPORT” for her…. Please continue to post, engage, and bring valuable insight to this case… ” two heads are always better than one” … There is a lot of information in his case with twist and turns that we don’t all understand. Nor do we have all the information that the attorney’s have in this case.

          Welcome, Dina.

          • welcome, Dina. I have seen you post before, and if I have ever made you feel unwelcome, I am sorry. We are all a little tense and anxious right now. 🙂

            • Hi Renee!!! You have absolutely NOT made me feel unwelcome at all. 🙂 Thank you! And you and some others are so right in that we are all anxious. It’s been a very long and frustrating court case. From the time that I first learned of Jodi’s plight, years ago, it seems almost a lifetime. And for me that is absolutely nothing compared to what Jodi has and is still suffering.
              Thanks for your words, Renee.

          • Thank you FUJuan . I know that most of us here are ‘OK” people … with at least one thing in common … our support & belief for Jodi.

          • And that’s why I didn’t and don’t post much. Everyone was stressed and I wasn’t going to add to it by trying to argue about me supporting Jodi. Things have calmed down a lot since the verdict and I think there are even more supporters of Jodi wanting to join in. I saw what happened with the trolls because I’m one of the quiet ones who reads more than posts. If the new ones prove themselves unworthy, including me, that’s the time to call us names and boot us out. Jodi needs all the support she can get.

    • Hi Gwen! The only proof I can offer you is time and consistency…but it will be awhile before I can prove it! I hope you will extend me a “grace period”….lol. The way I see it isn’t that I’m late the race…I’m just a lap behind the rest of you in a very long race that is still being run! 🙂

      I’m in this for the long haul.

  99. having channel surfed a lil past hln tonight and good lord. they have a FULL Nite of trashing jodi. keep milking the golden goo$e!
    i heard literally 2 mins total – if that – between jvm, idiot drew and same old crap just rewarmed.
    stalker, sociopath, borderline, she didn’t finish high school so ‘how bright can she be?’, etc., ETC.

    ARG! jodi or her family should b getting some of the cash theyr stealing on her name.

    • Frank,

      Why do you do that to yourself ( watching HLN)…. it’s all about ratings, and spinning the lies of this trial. I know you know that…. They will never change……….

      They didn’t steal her name…. ( I understand where your coming from) but since this is a trial, they have a right to use anyone name ” freedome of the press baby”… Gotta love America you can slander anyone in the media and get paid six figures. This could of been HIlary Clintons daughter and they would drum up some dirt….. and spin it and twist it to make a profit………!!

      • It’s just a fuckin bullshit channel. They are NOT investigative reporters, they are bullshit artists lookin for somebody to buy into their shit The problem isssssssssssss people expect them to be a real news program and actually believeddddddddddddddddddddd their stupid bullshit. THey never took at anything else OTHER that persecuting and villifying Jodi. They are complete and utter scumshit

  100. So confused! Everyone here is becoming paranoid and I’ve even seen discord amongst members. C’mon, people. Even if there are “trolls” here, who cares? The only power they have over any of us is in how they perceive our vulnerabilities. Let’s not give them that power.

    I personally do not care one bit if they post what I have to say on an alternative website. I’ve said nothing that I’m ashamed of or for which I think I could be held liable for criminally. It’s just all too much to even give a hoot about. I am here because I do not believe that Jodi Arias perpetuated this crime and I don’t care whether my detractors agree with me or not. I am entitled to my opinion and, as far as I know, I haven’t harmed anyone in my thought processes.

    Also, people keep referring the the “vent” site. I had the password before someone from outside guessed it, and since then, I haven’t requested the new password. I think that what I have to say, I can say here without fear of recrimination.

    I’m tired and thinking of taking a break for a bit. I’ll be reading and keeping Jodi and all of you in my heart.

    • SD,

      Thank you for a kind hearted posted with very valid points……. If your not on a mission to destory Jodi or the posters then post to their hearts are content. We know the true supporters……. and we are here for her ” JODI” and ” JODI ONLY”………… I could give to rats asses what others think of me…. I am not here to win a contest for best buddies…. only to support our mission in helping her case……..:)

  101. First off, let me start by saying I am severely allergic to cats. Everyone writing about their kitties and posting adorable kitty gravatars is making me swell up with wheals. I can… scarcely… breathe… (Though in all seriousness I love animals, despite being horrifically allergic to cats. It is not their fault, and indeed it only seems to make them love me and my yard and porch more!)

    Second, innocent until proven guilty works for me for the newcomers as well. I remember my first post here. I was pretty sure you would not believe I was for real. But obviously I am. Same for Journee, and JM and others. Not everyone picked up on the existence of the trial and of Jodi at the same time. I’ve been posting here for weeks already but still do not myself considered established because I am not an original joiner.

    I had not reapplied for the password on the vent and mission pages, despite having it originally. But do you know what? I am going to. I’m kinda tired of feeling like I don’t really belong.

    • Wow, so sorry to hear you feel that way…. We wish you would stay and support Jodi…. You know this site isn’t about making lasting friendships, it’s about SUPPORT FOR JODI… we always cannot 100% agree with each other on every stance of this case, that it what makes it special when others bring knowledge to the site………..

      Peoples emotions are high, and guarded, and you have to understand why if you have followed this case from the start…….. don’t take it personal… if nothing else SUPPORT JODI. Isn’t that why your here to begin with?

      • Did I imply I was leaving? I really am confused with everyone on this site today. I thought I was saying I was joining in more than ever instead of holding back as I have been doing out of some perhaps false sense of respect for those who have been posting here since the beginning.

        Jodi can get my direct support.

    • I never even asked for the password.

      I am more than willing to help with the Mission, and if someone thinks of something I might be able to help with, feel free to get my email from SJ. But I’m not about to go banging on the door because what they’re doing there is important for JODI, and it must be protected for JODI.

      • Thats very nice of you Journee…..thanks!!

        And your exactly right…it must stay protected for her, that’s what we are here for, she take priority over any of us or our feelings. We all are here for that reason, and that reason ONLY!!!!

        Glad to see you understand :}

        • I also agree with Journee!
          I uderstand and it doesn’t hurt my feelings at all.
          I’m thankful we have a site that protects Jodi.

  102. I keep remembering the old riddle ‘If a tree falls in the woods and there’s no one around to hear it, does it make a sound?’ So as for you, HLN, I hear nothing. You make no sound because I refuse to listen. Right now the blood lust of the haters is still fresh on their minds so they continue to slobber all over you but that won’t last. Someday HLN you will be that tree…complete silence.

  103. Nice essay from Richard Speights. I think the man is being pretty brave putting out the essay. ‘Sure hope he’s not getting threats, etc. I do hope, however, that Jodi’s defense team looks at the merits of the more scientific approach he presents. Perhaps there are at least some points of usefulness in this stage of the case.

    We needed less bias and emotion in this trial, including from the judge, less badgering defense witnesses by JM, and less questionable bias expressed by some of the jurors who appear to have befriended HLN and Dr. Drew and appear to love to share their feelings with the public. ‘So much for even any hint of a fair and unbiased trial for someone facing the death sentence in this country!

    Also, one of my family members happened to be watching television and turned the channel to HLN. There was Dr. Drew rehashing the same old material on Jodi that we’ve seen on HLN over and over again. I asked him to quickly turn the channel back as we didn’t need to help give the show any extra ratings. I am sure that HLN is having a difficult time right now keeping people interested in the continuing entertainment about Jodi, as nothing is happening for at least several more weeks.

    Perhaps Dr. Drew can find some new friends of Travis to put on from the church? Or he and others can try to find new material to keep reminding the public of just how very “evil” Jodi is, as they set up a new “reality show” to boost ratings-the trial of George Zimmerman, who will become their next villain, whom they have already determined is guilty and will develop the trial happenings in that direction, no matter how they may have to manipulate or ignore any facts coming out as the trial progresses that suggest or even prove otherwise.

    It is so very sad that the media is allowed to fabricate and distort news for entertainment and profit rather than investigate and report without bias. This serves no positive purpose or constructive outcome for the public interest. One can ponder whether or not we are headed in the direction of determining life and death trial sentences based predominantly on circumstantial evidence, emotions rather than evidence, and a lynch mob mentality fueled by an out-of-control media and social networking?

  104. I hope that there are more newcomers to this site. Maybe more and more people will start realizing what a mockery of our so called justice system this trial was, and the extreme influence the faux media can have on our public conscience. Just caught another news story about someone very public and very hated proclaiming their innocence, and if convicted could also face the death penalty. It really makes me wonder if there truly is an attack on our rights in this country. Perhaps the Jodi Arias trial was also a distraction as well as mass public mind conditioning for another future public DP trial. What if this AZ trial had multiple purposes to fulfill multiple agendas? It’s all coming together for me, but not fast enough.

  105. Introducing myself. Im michaele. Live in Az. Im 45 f married with 2 grown kids and I have lots of life experience and I sopport Jodi. Ive watched the trial from the beginning. Saw the 48 hours type documentaries. I believe she should have never been charged with premeditation. I also have an abusive past and know what goes on behind closed doors. Nobody can say for sure that she was not abused because they were not there. So sick over how this has gone down.

    • Michaele,

      Are you of the Mormom faith? You absolutely correct that we don’t know what goes on behind closed doors in abusive relationships ( they are very secretive) and that is one reason why police never believes the women and understands the nature of the violence, manipulation, control, anger, rage, vile vulgar words, etc…. and why women are scared to leave… and move forward.

      • nope Im not a mormon. Im a Torah obedient Christian. kinda a mix of Seventh day adventism and Messianic Christian.

        • Thanks, I just thought if you were you could help us with some information….. are you in Phoenix or close ?

          • 180 miles from phoenix. But I do know many Mormons and know about them . Not sure If I know more than others here but more than willing to help where I can

  106. “June 2, Jodi talked to Travis over the phone about a PPL member that died.” Read this on another site, who died?

    • News to me.

      Are you reading a conversation or an article.

      This could be significant.

    • OK, I just googled the whole phrase, came up with the name Gordon Hinckley.

      Now I am gonna google Gordon Hinckley.

        • kirkee said that it was a PPL member that died…. that Jodi was discussing with TA on the phone… Did you find the information or article?

          • It came from mydeathspace member comment. So it wasn’t a PPL guy, but an LDSer. Got my antennae up for naught. I was Googling Danites Revenge trying to see if this poster has a footprint elsewhere and it led me in other directions. Would really like to hear from Danite again.

            • Me too….. he/ she is a lurker and watching this site…. Hopefully they will post again.

          • I know, but all that I am coming up with is Hinckley. Every reference to that sentence adds Gordon Hinckley in parentheses. One adds a rant that it’s a lie, Hinckley was like a POPE to the Mormons, that it was a big day of mourning. Which doesn’t make sense because the obit info I’m finding was that he’d been dead for several months by then.

            • Wow, he died at age 97. Guess no coffee, tea, booze and cigs work. You live long, but you don’t have much fun. Kind of like that woody allen joke about a bad restaurant: the food here is terrible. Yes, and the portions are so small.

  107. Im shocked by the attack Jodi programing HLN is showing tonght. I could not stomach it for longEverybody just totally bypasses that TA was way more seductive to the point of gross and insultive pervertive on those sex tapes than Jodi was.Where is Nancy G coming from? Shes saying Jodi is the sexual seductive one and lured TA and its the exact opposite. I dont see it at all.All Jodi was mostly doing on the tapes which I never heard unti tonight was she was responding to TA’s preversions many of which in my mind were gross and sick.Is Grace and those other HLN people listening to the same sex tapes we are? It sure doesnt seem like it.Hang in there Jodi My prayers are with you for justic.You dezerve a total new trial not just the penalty phase.There should be no penalty phase in my opinion cause if you had a fair trial with a prosecutor who believed in justice and getting to the real truth verses bullying witnesses then the verdict would have defonitely bern much different and we wouldnt be watching Jodi have to go thru this uncertainty and stress of a penalty phase.God let the truth set her free.

    • Jodi just wanted to please him. It’s obvious in her voice. She even said he was the one with all the ideas but HLN specializes in twisting the truth. It’s their thing.

      • It was obvious she was trying to please him. These idiots want to blame Jodi for Travis sins. he was a filthy pig. They say that was just a man being a man. Well I got news for them. Travis claimed to be Godly man. A Godly man is not perfect but he wants to be. A Godly man would never degrade, demean,, abuse, use ,malign or treat a living being that way let alone a female he supposedly loved. He was a disgusting perverted animal who lied everyday. He lived a lie. They act like Jodi is an evil succubus demon who ruined Travis. When if you even listen to that Tape its clear he was the one in charge. He was calling the shots….planning all the sexcapades. He was the one talking about 12 year olds….how can they not see what is so clear? As a woman I have gone against my own likes to please a man…and I so recognize it in her. She just wanted to make him happy. The disgusting pig did not deserve her at all.

        • I think that Travis used religion and his charismatic speaking skills to manipulate and use women. He was basically Eddie Murphy’s character in “Boomerang”, Marcus Graham, except not as funny and lacking the conscience that Marcus had in the movie. Although why any man would choose Robin Givens over Halle Berry is beyond me! LOL

        • Amen Michaele!! I’ve known men like him…and I know that they would wear the appearance of “righteousness” everywhere but in the bedroom. I actually knew one guy who purposely went to church to look for vulnerable females. He told me they were easy pickins’ because they were all so desperate to get married. (I’m not Mormon, btw, just to clarify). Sick.

          And I too have done things I never imagined I’d do, all for a man I thought loved me. I identify with Jodi in so many ways…I just wish she knew how inspiring she is to me. She’s clearly deeply affected many of us…especially those of us who have survived horrific situations.

      • What trial are you watching Trialtoogoodawordforit? Jodi NEVER said it was her ideas? You have things twisted… it was all TA words, thoughts, and sick sexual fantasies………… ” what women wants to hear what a 12 year old girl sounds like having orgasm?” ” be tied to a tree and fk in the ass” ” choked” ” kicked in the ribs” ” called a whore” ” three hole wonder” C’mom……… get the facts str8.

        He mistreated her, and didn’t deserve her…….. or any women.

        • FUJuan, I think you misread the post. She didn’t say it was Jodi’s idea… she said they were TA’s 😉

          • OH FK …. SET your correct……….. damn bifocals aren’t working correctly tonight….. I apologize ………………… !!!!

              • SET…… but I don’t like to look stupid nor piss people off………… Thanks for the catch… before someone cut my head off tonight for mis-reading……… OLD age sucks…….:)

                • I hear ya! Just don’t beat yourself up over it, you old fart! Just kidding! Lol! I got nothing but love for ya! 🙂

                  (((((FUJuan)))))

                  Btw, I always feel like I am insulting you when I use your name! Ha!!!

    • I must confess that I stopped watching HLN. They can all go to hell as far as I’m concerned. And, for people that claim to find that sex tape so distasteful, they sure like playing it a lot on TV, don’t they?

      • Well,if they’re saying the sex tape is distasteful they are right.And they only have ”Mr” Alexander to thank! HE was the one who was absolutely DISGUSTING in it .Every word that came out of his mouth was SICK,SICK,SICK! I guess they dont highlight that on HLN,do they?

  108. Is there any information about the defense preparing an appeal to the first degree verdict, possibly in another jurisdiction in AZ? The prosecution’s case was presented more in the media more than the courtroom and the fact that the jury was not insulated from all that should alone be grounds for mistrial. If Jodi had OJ’s legal team she would walk.

    • Scotty,

      The defense will probably not take on the appeal, those are special attorney’s that do appeal cases. Since this trial is not over yet, it would be hard to a lawyer to detrmine what direction to go until after the sentencing phase. It will go to the ninth distrist court when it goes happen.

      Yes, I have often wondered if Jodi had OJ’s legal team if she would of walked………FREE!!! Money is power in the court systems, along with top notch lawyers.

      • You ain’t kidding FUJuan. Money is definitely power in the court system. I heard today that George Zimmerman money has all but run out so they set up a defense fund and people donated $12,000 in 24 hours. Some of the people who donated weren’t sure of his guilt or innocence but felt he had the right to a fair trial. Well isn’t that something? I haven’t formed an opinion either but I sure as hell believe he deserves a fair trial – that’s something Jodi never had a chance to have. All she ever got was pure hatred.

        • I agree with you that everyone is entitled to a fair trial. I don’t know how I feel about this case , nor will I watch this trial. Glad that people opened their pocketbooks and donated so he could have a fair trial. Also, watched a little bit on the judges motions and she’s very stern unlike Judge Sherry who didn’t have control of her courtroom.

          This judge in FL knows this trial could turn into a ……ummm well lets say, not so nice trial….. especially when race is involved. Just glad that trial is not in my state………..

          Pure hatred is correct for Jodi, the interviews didn’t help her case….. If she only realized but then that she was hurting herself but not having a lawyer present.

        • This story is already getting the same publicity as Jodi. HLN constantly speaks of what an innocent, wonderful boy Trayvon was. They have been trying to character assassinate George from the beginning. Nasty DisGrace pulls the same trick when any of George’s friends speak up for him…she cuts them off the camera to hear herself. Her and Jane are so into skittles n hoodies these days. Just sayin. They’re trying to turn the case into a “racial” killing already. Nothing grabs more attention on TV then someone crying out racism.

      • CA defense team I tell ya, Jose would have been like Kermit over here can’t keep his story straight and there isn’t even any science to call junk wtf??? Hahaha I loved his attitude while defending CA 😉 just saying!

        • Jose is awesome with his “Follow the Forensics” arguments. I love Cheney Mason too.

  109. Hello Jodi Team

    I want to know if T-shirts come in XX large.

    I can not fit in anything smaller. I can’t post much cause artritus, I enjoy reading you’lls comments and can not get TV out here very often and do not post to other sites. I have posted to this one once before.

    I wish I could help Jodi also so I will start with a T-Shirt to start and wear it proudly.

    Marcia- NM

    • Marcia,

      Looks like the T-shirts only come in XL…. maybe that is something they consider when and if they do another t-shirt down the road…. 🙂

    • The biggest size is XL but my sister in law needs more like a XXL. She ordered the t shirt and is going to cut out the Survivor portion and make a patch to attach to her own size. If you know how to sew that might be something you could do too.

  110. If I dont come back tonight goodnight everyone. Ive been so sick my voice is gone and my meds are kicking in…..lol

    • goodnight… get some rest…. We will all be here tomorrow for another engaging conversation. Peace out girl scout.

  111. Comment on Lawyers on Strike has link about knives and self defense. Here’s something Pros and Def should have known, echoes what Speights said – McYoung: If you stab or cut somebody and expect them to fall down like they do in the movies, it is not going to happen. The problem with using a knife in self defense is that most people don’t know that they’ve been cut. So you have to hit this guy five or six or seven times and often that won’t work to get him to stop. That makes it look like you weren’t defending yourself; it makes it look like you were attacking.

  112. Has anyone mentioned or noticed this?

    I have heard or seen 5 jurors, 2 men
    3 women. All three women wanted Jodi to have the DP.
    One was an alternate.

    The two men, one was the forman and another male and I didn’t hear
    what they would have voted.

    There were 8 men, 4 women, so we know that the 4 that didn’t vote dp
    were 2 men 2 women OR 3 men 1 woman.
    Surprised?
    This is what we talked about earlier about hos some women just really don’t like other women and the
    things that they talked about, spoke volumes! IMO

    • Actually 2 alt spoke out and both wanted the DP ( females)

      2 females ( diane and marilou) both wanted the DP

      Kevin Spellman ( DP)

      Only the foreman wanted ( LIFE) even though he didn’t say it…. but it was obvious from his interviews.

      Women are vicious, and hateful to other women. Especially this 29 year old female Tara Kelley….. wanna be fame whore and friends with CH and KATIE wanna be WICK………..

      She wanted her dead before the trial even started……….. so glad she got kicked to the curb….. now she’s selling her soul to the devil for a piece of 15 mins of fame….. guess that’s what happens when you lose your house and need to pay ur bills.

      • Some of the hater sites are starting to turn on Tara the Famewhore – apparently her photos with Katie Wick and the other Dr. Drew flunkies didn’t go over too well. People are starting to see her for what she is: an opportunist who’s riding her 15 minutes of fame into the ground.

        • That Tara bitch is mindnumbilngly stupid!!!
          She cant even put two and two together,no wonder she wasnt able to understand the evidence in this case.

        • I thought they loved her to bits. What are the hater sites saying about Tara, Kira? What’s the pro-prosecution angle on her?

      • I recently watched a movie about the Menendez brothers that showed the jurors arguing. Some of the women did feel sorry for Erik in particular. From many accounts, their father was a really abusive, mean bastard but their poor mother was just taken out as collateral damage.

    • The female jurors on this trial remind me of the female jurors on the Menendez Brothers case. They acquitted them and there was speculation at the time that a few of the women on the jury had fallen in love with Erik and Lyle Menendez. Those two both need to burn in hell for what they did to their parents.

  113. Women tend to judge other women more harshly than their male counterparts. It really shows in
    the political realm. Women leaders tend to face much harsher criticism from the female population. I don’t really know what all the dynamics are with this but it is noticeable in many situations where women judge one another. I am not at all surprised that women jurors were willing to be harsher than their male counterparts in judging Jodi. I am sure in some subconscious way, it is to try and reflect a better image upon themselves.

    • It all goes back to the societal problem we have where if a guy is promiscuous, he’s considered a “stud” and patted on the back for his sexual prowess. Whereas if a woman does the same thing, she’s considered a “slut” and ostracized from society.

      I’m sorry. I don’t like using these words, but the real “whore” throughout this was Travis Alexander. He used women and he knew better. Every time I think of him I think of that smug, little grin and cocky, arrogant attitude he displayed on his MySpace. I don’t care what excuses his followers make for him. The guy was a prick. Plain and simple. And it’s a damn good thing that Jodi isn’t my sister. Because I would have kicked the shit out of him. I never wanted Travis dead. I’d rather him be alive today to face the consequences of his actions.

  114. Hello all!! I haven’t been here in a few days as life has been crazy, fighting off colds (my kiddos) end of school year, running from tornado’s (lol, seriously though ;(. ) Anyways… I just read the essay and WOW!! I don’t understand why there were never any blood splatter evidence experts or knife fighting experts etc. I think the prosecution was more concerned about the amusement rides and guessing games (circumstantial BS) at the circus than equality and fairness of the defen DANT (lol, sorry had to) or her trial. It’s been weird lately even though I have so much going on I haven’t been able to get Jodi or this case off my mind, obviously because I know all the way from Michigan (have never met her or anyone involved with the case) but I know something isn’t right (CLEARLY, I know right) anyways sorry I know I tend to wander and be all over the place) I have offered my help, and asked to pass that on to SJ but I haven’t heard from anyone and I don’t know where to start but…. Something HAS to be done we can’t let Jodi suffer anymore, where do we start what can we do?? Who do we need to contact, or better yet who’s hands do we need to get this AMAZING essay into? I don’t think the state of AZ will be any help I think we need to go further Any ideas??

    • I agree that something needs to be done….

      A few threads back someone who had been an attorney for many years (since retired I believe he said) commented that there is a wealth of information here that could very well be of help to Jodi’s future attorneys and could be what ends up saving Jodi.

      This person said that there are many things that the people who post on this site have brought up that could help, things that the attorneys missed or inconsistencies noticed that were never brought out in court and stuff like that. The problem is that it’s all buried in all the other discussions between people on this site, meaning that it’s not much help as it is now in regards to Jodi’s case and the attorneys who will be representing her for her appeal. The information is too hard to find the way it is now and someone said something about possibly starting a page that was strictly for those type of things so that an attorney would have easy access to them

  115. Don’t you find it interesting how the posters and discussions here are overwhelmingly positive while the ones on the anti-Jodi Arias websites are overwhelmingly negative? They really have this lynch mob mentality where what they really want is revenge, not justice. I mean, the hatred for Jodi is so evident in their faces and their voices. It’s precisely this kind of behavior that drove me from the Travis Alexander camp to Jodi’s because I do not wish to associate with people like them.

    I’m sick of the name-calling and personal jabs at Jodi, her family and friends and the woman who runs her Twitter account. Travis’s supporters remind me of the bullies that I had to deal with in school, making fun of people for the way they look, using threats and intimidation and ganging up on one person. I’m not saying that Jodi isn’t strong or can’t hold her own, but she needs all of the support she can get from us in fighting back against the Mormon Mafia.

    • Funny thing is none of them know Jodi or Travis, none of them were there when it happened and supporting Travis at this point does them NO good because in case they haven’t heard Travis is dead…. I know not funny but I couldn’t resist 😉 I think that they think somehow being a hater is going to give them 5 minutes of fame on HLN by the time anyone from HLN notices them they will be shut down or at least nobody will care. TA’s family isn’t going to “Hang Out with any of them” when this trial started I posted on a FB site my opinion and some chic started messaging me saying my daughter (who is 5 and terminally ill and completely innocent at that) was ugly and I needed to worry about her (my daughter) looking deformed etc. I was like okay….creeper on my fb pics you need help god bless that is about when I found you all!! Xoxoxo

      • Kara, there is a special place in hell for people that harass or torment or make fun of a child that is ill or has special needs. The hatred in this world never ceases to amaze me. It is completely disgusting!

        God bless you and your sweet, beautiful and tough little girl! My heart is with you and you both are in my prayers!

      • Kara – God gives special children to special people. Your daughter is blessed to have a mom with such a big heart. Love and hugs to you both.

    • We are driven by love and support.The haters are driven by their own venom,bitterness and pure evil hatred.They must lead such pitiful and sad lives to let all this negative emotions take control of their souls.And all this for a manipulative abuser they didnt even know.One I’m sure they ‘d be afraid of or indifferent about had they met him.

  116. I saw this pic with Jodi wearing a t-shirt that said “Travis Alexander’s”. He apparently made her wear that and so she did. Now, if a woman ever wore a shirt with my name on it like that, I’d honestly be flattered. But I would NEVER make her wear anything. That’s not what a good man does. I want my woman to be free and independent and a mind of her own. I want her to express herself however she wants to do. Jodi or any other woman would never have to wear anything for me. I would just love them for being there regardless of the shirt they wore.

  117. Someone asked for transcript of Horn’s testimony on day 54. I transcribed it if someone still needs it.

  119. What bothers me most is the Taliban actually mimic HLN Joke News
    almost to a tee. An constantly say if anyone is supporting Jodi in this
    they are a lesbian or a man that is hot for Jodi.

    An then you have Dr. Spew saying we all have some kind of disorder.

    Really because I can look at his panel or any HLN Joke Show really
    an all the labels they keep putting on people an the body language
    crap I can see what they are saying as symptoms in each an every
    one of them.

    An the whole Mormon/LDS crew in the LIMELIGHT as
    they say well it is evident their stories all are the same an in the same
    monotone an blank ass stares. Which gives me the CREEPS ! an
    why do those women look like Las Vegas hookers to me? all the big
    hair an make up. An they sit an gossip about Jodi. Actually Jodi does
    not know it but she is pretty with no make up. These women that hate
    on her are so jealous of her you can hear it in their voices. I am glad I
    have never been so intimidated by another woman’s looks as these
    women are.

    You have my full support Jodi Ann Arias an the Team here too 😉

    • Drew Pinksy is a hysterical bigot with nothing better to do with his time than to try to bully a minority opinion on the Internet because we are smarter and infinitely more fascinating than he is. His sexist, lesbophobic and pathologizing statements have not gone unnoticed; and as far as the rest of his panel of experts – I’d rather they all be jettisoned to the Moon to collect rocks so they aren’t a danger to society here on Earth. If they got their psychology degree to lord over others, abuse their position of power and make derogatory statements then their diplomas belong in a shredding machine. It would be more useful there than anywhere else in the world.

      FYI – he is dying for an interview, so he thinks if he pisses me off enough that he’s going to get one.

      No, he is not. He better get used to it because it’s not going to happen.

      He lost that privilege a long time ago when he bitched up with the bullies of HLN so he wouldn’t lose his evening slot on TV. What a loser.

      • If the fool wants to know what you think I am sure he can (and already is) read the website. You aren’t exactly hiding what you feel or think. He just wants to have you on there to harrass you. Kudos for standing your ground. If he wants a fame whore to interview I am sure he can find one over on the opposition sites.

      • ♥MB – TEAM JODI ADMIN♥ I was so happy to read that.

        FYI – he is dying for an interview, so he thinks if he pisses me off enough that he’s going to get one.

        No, he is not. He better get used to it because it’s not going to happen.

        He lost that privilege a long time ago when he bitched up with the bullies of HLN so he wouldn’t lose his evening slot on TV. What a loser.

        Hugs an much love ♥ for the Team Jodi !! all around I am PROUD to be here with sane an normal people.

  120. While reading Innocence an argument for Jodi Arias that SJ posted as todays topic for the page I began thinking about the gun and ammunition and lack of ANY witnesses in the trial. Well I found this and it is just a section of this book but I think it speaks VOLUMES!

    Handgun Stopping Power: The definitive Study By Evan Marshall
    Sometimes the bullet will produce the sought after “instant” effect, and the person will collapse in 1 to 2 seconds. However, there is no predictable and reliable medical reason for a person to fall and become “instantly incapacitated.” With the exception of a wound to the brain stem, handgun bullets cannot be depended upon to take effect that fast.
    Sometimes the bullet will produce no visible effect at all. It may take 30 to 90 SECONDS or even longer for a person to fall. This generally is far TOO long for the URGENT time frame of most gunfights.
    All this assumes reasonable shot placement, i.e. somewhere in the head, neck, or torso. We are not even talking of shots that miss, or that engage an extremity or other less significant part of the body. Overall, even if shot placement is good and vital tissue is damaged, it is reasonable to expect the person to remain mobile, active, and HOSTILE for 10 to 15 seconds after the shot. You must make plans for your SURVIVAL during that time period.

    • The dura matter was intact,the bullet’s power was so minimal it didnt even produce an exit wound,just lodged in his cheek.It couldNT have INSTANTLY incapacitate him.Horne was a freaking LIAR and made sure he talked his way out of the whole damn thing,confusing jurors and listeners alike! There he was all professional and I-ve-performed-more-that-6,000-autopses smug and that’s why some people bought his shit.

      • Hell Maria the damn bullet cleared its throat and said excuse me before it hit him. It was a sissy shot at best. You can do almost as much damage throwing a bullet as you can with a .25

        • This is why I have a shotgun. I live in a small town surrounded by meth freaks and heroin addicts and there’s a lot of breakins and home invasions. When I asked the advice of the local police and gun dealers on what type of gun is best for home defense, the answer was unanimously a shotgun.

          Fired a center of mass, a load of 00 buckshot will drop an intruder instantly.

  121. I wish by some absolute miracle they’d find grandpa’s gun and that it WOULDN’T be the one that Travipoo was shot with! But would it even make a difference that he had a weapon in his home which Jodi grabbed to protect herself? It would completely blow their pre-meditation out of the water but, sad to say, they would just concoct another story. Just like the whole scene was a ‘fill in the blanks’ any way you want to for Shawty Martinez and we will go along! And he filled in the blanks badly, I might add. Didn’t make no damn sense. So basically he won the jury lottery. The more prejudicial, envious and closed-minded the better. And the icing on Juan’s cake is that most weren’t very bright.

    • No Gwen they looked and sounded like peri-menopausal /way past menopause beeatches that forgot their I-COOL….

  122. Good Morning everyone.

    Morning Music

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOSm_7V6Cnc

    So got the lump excised. The Doc says she’s seen hundreds and looks like its just a sebaceous cyst, but the biopsy won’t be back for a week. However, I’m going with the cyst. Whew, dodged one there. Bed and pain killers today.

    • Al glad your ok ! just don’t mix the pain killers with beer and crabs- it wouldn’t be pretty-

    • Good to hear, Al. My dad gets a lot of sebaceous cysts like that – I’m sure there’s nothing for you to worry about!

      • Glad that you had the cyst out, now bed rest and pain killers..drink lots of water with those pills!

        xoxoxo

    • Good to hear that you are in the clear. Make sure you get the rest you need and don’t forget to keep up with your meds. It is easier to keep pain away than to get rid of it once it’s there.

      ♥

    • Hey Al!!!
      Good to hear you’re ok. keep thinking positively about the biopsy.I know doctors always tell you to have one done as a precaution.

  123. That’s good news AL!! Feel better soon. I am sure the painkillers will be a good start on that! lol

  124. This is a response to Tiffany from the top of this page and Jennifer at the bottom and pretty much encompasses everything in the middle.

    Speight’s article is just a variant on the same thematic principle that I have been yelling about since the blood spatter expert an Horn’s testimony, or geebee2 has laid out in his wiki.

    Jennifer’s reference to Marshall’s book is again a redo of something some other poster (I don’t remember who) and I posted immediately after Horn’s testimony.

    And we’ve all asked the same question – where was the defense on this?

    So to quote Sirlips “we were yelling this at the tops of lungs” and no one was listening. I remember this whole argument with joujoubaby about the quality of the defense in similes about cars. She said Subaru/Volvo, I said Yugo.

    So this is not Monday morning quarter-backing. We were yelling this out as we were watching the live testimony. Nurmi had this evidence for years.

    So whether Jodi insisted on DV, or Nurmi suggested the self defense claim – it really doesn’t matter. The fact is that the physical evidence didn’t match the state’s theory. There is nothing in the evidence that shows a cold calculated M1 as JM posited. And the defense should have driven a truck through the holes in his case. But they didn’t.

    Was it incompetence or some other grand design – I just don’t know. Was it that their only goal was to save Jodi from the DP? If that was the case, the state should bring a DP case against every murder suspect. That way they’d get M1 convictions on all because the defense would only work to stave off the DP.

    So go figure.

    • “Speight’s article is just a variant on the same thematic principle that I have been yelling about since the blood spatter expert an Horn’s testimony, or geebee2 has laid out in his wiki. ”

      🙂

      I noticed. And I also noticed that guys website looks fairly new…

    • Al,
      Could it be possible the defense was relying on the juror’s common sense to look at the bathroom crime scene photos and conclude a terrific FIGHT went down between Jodi and TA? In JM closing, there is NO FIGHT occuring…just poor Travis trying to get away. I guess we will alway wonder why the defense did or did not do this or that…

  125. Al said:

    “There is nothing in the evidence that shows a cold calculated M1 as JM posited.”

    And I have to disagree – with ALL due respect to Al, and reminding all that I am not only firmly in Jodi’s camp but also of the mind that someone else did this.

    It certainly COULD have been planned, just not very well. Most people might quite reasonably assume (and apparently believe, since Horn said so) that a gunshot to the head is gonna take someone DOWN at least effectively enough to get the job finished.

    When it didn’t, they had a fight on their hands. Whether that first wound, GUNSHOT wound, was planned or spur of the moment, accidental or on purpose, it was the beginning of a life or death struggle. Because Travis fought back.

    • Five of the jurors didn’t fall for Kermit’s stupid felony murder theory. I think they based premeditation on the throat wound, figuring that Jodi had time to reflect on that, even if it was brief. They just didn’t buy self-defense or heat of passion at all, unfortunately.

    • Journee,

      Of course anything could have been planned, but if you remember I said

      “There is nothing in the evidence that shows a cold calculated M1 as JM posited.”

      An the operative term is “as JM posited.”

      So JM says she stabbed TA while he was sitting in the shower, he then went to the sink and started coughing up blood then somehow she stabbed him in the back, and they went stumbling down the hall, in the meantime she was stabbing him and somewhere she beat him on the head with the knife and then she cut his throat at the end of the hall, dragged him back to the bathroom, and then somehow, for some reason, got the gun and shot him.

      Now does that make sense when viewed in light of the evidence, including the blood spatter, the photographs, and Horn’s testimony that the gun shot came last, and the lack of any evidence of hemorrhaging in the lungs and intact respiratory system.

      If JM had instead posited that the gun shot came first, but it didn’t incapacitate TA and then some kind of fight took place that resulted in all the ensuing mayhem then he could have explained all the physical evidence. Now his burden of proof would be to prove that the first gun shot was pre-meditated. Instead, for some reason he chose to put the gunshot last, possibly as Sirlips suggests, just to run contrary to Jodi’s testimony.

      But then he’s faced with the situation of a person who has a gun deciding to attack someone twice her size with a knife!

      So, in a fit of desperation, he says, well maybe she didn’t have grandpa’s gun and so in the alternative her felony was stealing TA’s gun. And 7 idiots on the jury bought both arguments – that she stole grandpa’s gun and then knifed TA to steal his gun.

      Now some folks have suggested that the premeditation actually could have applied to the throat wound, in that the jury says that was a clearly considered act with one and only one purpose, to kill. If that is so, then where does the felony murder come in. You can only have felony murder in a situation where your intent was some other felony and the killing happened as a by product of that felony. In fact, and there is AZ case law that says this, if you’re intent was murder all along then felony murder doesn’t apply.

      • Hi Al…I could have sworn that JM said the felony murder would apply because the moment Jodi first stabbed Travis, she was no longer welcome in his home, and therefore was an intruder. So, killing him while being an intruder would make it a felony murder. Which I though was the DUMBEST thing I’ve ever heard. Do you remember that at all? Or did I dream it.

        So, if I did hear that right…I guess the slow-wits on the jury had a couple of options in which they could fit felony murder into. Stealing the gun and/or being an intruder.

        It’s like he just threw a bunch of random make-believe stories in the air and told them to pick whichever they liked best…and then they!

        • No he had this really convoluted argument. So after she stabbed him, she was no longer welcome and so on the premises unlawfully – that satisfies the first prong of the burglary charge i.e. she had to be on the premises unlawfully. The second prong says she had to be there to commit a felony. However that felony cannot be a homicide, because if that were the case just about any murder would also be felony murder (see Vladimir Gagic’s post on this). So he had to come up with a felony, and initially he said the felony could just be assault – i.e. she just meant to assault him and he died, (that’s what he told the judge to get the charge included). But in his closing he said the felony was stealing the gun. Now of course if she had brought the gun with her she wasn’t stealing it from TA. (BTW the act of stealing it from Grandpa doesn’t apply, because if that did happen it happened long before the killing and the killing wasn’t in the act of stealing the gun. Also if that’s Grandpa’s gun, that would be a CA charge with no jurisdiction by AZ). So he claimed she was stealing TA’s gun. And if you think that’s insane – you’re right in my camp.

          • Then I should get my camping gear out…b/c I definitely think that’s INSANE!

      • One doesn’t have to be Sherlock Holmes, Nancy Drew or the Hardy Boys, to figure out JM’s story is BS. If Jodi stabbed him while he was sitting in the shower and planned to kill him, it would have been easy to finish him off while he was still in a sitting position in a small shower. He wouldn’t have been able to get up, not slip and fall in the water, and walk to the sink, all with a stab wound to the chest. Hell even my dog figured out that it is ridiculous. The gopher, and the German Shepard that were in the bathroom with TA and Jodi know that it’s a laughable theory too. Still can’t believe 12 “reasonable people” believed it… or were they bought off or threatened?

  126. About the new posters or would be/could be haters. Let them come. Maybe they will learn something. I for one could never pretend to be something I’m not just for some stupid “AH HA! I tricked you moment.” especially considering what they believe of Jodi. That requires some sort of personal issue that they should seek help for.

    Happy Friday Everyone!

    • In my opinion, the violent and attacking response from the haters whenever they read something positive or supportive for Jodi can be summed up by this quote.

      All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
      Arthur Schopenhauer

    • Agree, Jaz! ♥

      I am so over the haters and the paranoia. From now on, I am giving everyone the benefit of the doubt; if they screw me over, so be it. It speaks more to their character than mine.

      If being friendly and welcoming, and ultimately, a sucker is what I will be, it is better than the angry, paranoid person I was becoming.

      and who knows, maybe we will get through to a troll while they are here.

      • Great attitude to have Renee’. Try doing what I do….whenever I see some crap from a hater, or the “friends” of TA, I think about the fact that they believe in magic underwear and follow a prophet who came up with his “religion” by finding magic stones. You have to watch the South Park you tube video, it puts it all in perspective and actually gives you a good laugh.

  127. I wish Jodi could have a new trial right from the beginning, She would surely be innocent based on her self defence against Travis’ onslaught.
    I often pondered in my own mind how Travis could be coughing up blood as had no other wound prior to the cut throat that would cause this except for a gunshot to his face.
    Jodi’s retrial of the penalty phase must bring out all the aforementioned facts so as to reduce her penalty to the minimum allowable.
    Jodi needs a new set of lawyers, Could a high powered lawyer please come forward to help Jodi!!!

    • She will get new lawyers at the appellate level, and if the appeals court should rule at any point that she is entitled to another trial, then that’s when high-powered defense lawyers would come into the picture :).

  128. Happy Friday, Peeps! 😀

    Hope you all have a wonderful, restorative weekend!!

    ♥

    • Morning Renee,
      Been reading upthread…the conversation about the “doubt” in so many minds about the Jodi’s size and strength..being able to accomplish this all by herself.
      This I can say for certain…if Jodi looked like that Tesoro chic…there would be “no doubt”

    • TGIF, Renee! My little sister graduates from high school today and I am feeling so emotional. I’m so proud of her but I can’t believe she is grown up!!

  129. Hello again for my Day #2 posting. 😀 Hey, I have not read all posts in the past, so I do apologize if this subject has already been covered/disussed in length —> Am I the only person who saw the ABSOLUTE and TOTAL ANGUISH in Jodi Arias’ face & whole body during the testimony of TA’s brother/sister as to how they have suffered. as a result of his death A person cannot fake that. She is torn apart. She realizes that she HAD to do what she did, BUT she is suffering as a result. The whole thing has torn her up and broken her heart. Good grief. How can people not see that?! I was aching for her just watching her listen to them – and that was during a time when I was not even yet sure if I thought she was innocent or guilty! The woman has suffered – and IS suffering – as a result of the killing (even though it was self-defense). Do others see what I mean?

    • Hi Shelley!
      Oh yes, we absolutely discussed how distraught Jodi was during the impact statements! Jodi is full of remorse and regret as she has stated and proven through her demeanor throughout the trial! People that hate her will see what they want to see because they are blinded to the truth from their hate! It is completely disgusting!!!

    • Yes, her pain was impossinle to ignore. Which for me is why the siblings lack of true emotion was so obvious. It says alot about Jodi that even while they are trying to kill her she is full of compassion for them…

      My heart breaks for Jodi and her family. That’s why I’m here. If there is anything I can do to ease their suffering I am willing.

    • Jodi has been suffering throughout this whole ordeal.She was a complete mess on many different occasions in this trial.Just go back to day 3 of the trial when the autopsy photos were first shown and discussed.She would break down and cry countless times onwards.And on the day his brothers gave their victim impact statements Jodi was the ONLY person whose tears were real!!

    • Hi Shelley…yes, my stomach was in knots watching Jodi that day. I don’t have much to say about the Alexanders good or bad. My history with my siblings is similar in that we are not close at all. But I would be heartbroken to lose one. Gosh, and even more heartbroken to know what kind of horrible secret life they lived. I’m reserving my judgement on them for the time being.

      HOWEVER, I will say that whether the siblings are fake, or were over-rehearsed, or just really nervous that day…the only person’s grief I could literally FEEL through my screen, was Jodi’s. I felt her pain as if I were actually experiencing it myself. I cannot see how anyone could watch her that day and not feel for her. 🙁

      • Oh…do let me clarify one thing on the Alexanders: I DO judge them for their vengence. That definitely makes them ugly in my eyes. The only way they will ever heal is to embrace forgiveness and mercy. That’s their only hope.

  130. It will be interesting to see if Bill Montgomery allows this case to redo the DP phase. He would be wise not to IMO. Sure he still has the power of the haters, but politically it looks bad if Martinez loses
    again. It doesn’t seem to matter to Arizona how much they spend prosecuting someone. But politics is important apparently.

    Re a plea deal, I doubt it would be accepted by Jodi. So it would be interesting to me to hear people’s opinion about the future of this case. AA if you are around, would love to hear your opinion. You have an astute political sense.

  131. I wanted to get your thoughts on an idea I posted above.

    I think we should require Judges, Prosecutors, Detectives and the JURY to sign “pledge to pay” forms, when they convict someone of a crime.

    If the convicted person is ever found to have been wrongfully convicted, then the responsible parties should have to pay restitution to their victim. Let’s say $250,000 for each year they were wrongfully imprisoned.

    My guess is people would take serious the “reasonable doubt” standard, if they were on the hook to pay, if they are wrong.

    I know, i know, people will say “you can’t do that, because no jury would have risk having to pay if they are wrong”. THAT’S THE WHOLE POINT! That’s how the system is set up already, except they get no “punishment” if they are wrong. The system says they are not supposed to “risk” convicting an innocent person, when they are not 100% sure. They call it “beyond a reasonable doubt”.

    The jury wouldn’t be risking ANYTHING, if they have “no doubt”. If there is PROOF every single time, in every single case, then they would have NOTHING to worry about when they find someone guilty. If the jury is “tricked” into finding someone guilty, then the prosecutor or detective or judge would be liable for the $. Make them all sign these “pledge to pays”.

    Why couldn’t, shouldn’t, can’t we do this? Wouldn’t it ensure the system is truly fair, truly punishes ONLY those that are PROVEN guilty, truly holds “responsible” parties responsible?

    • Sounds reasonable. Was it the Greeks who withheld payment to politicians until after they served?

      • To the best of my knowledge our politician are paid while they serve,same as everyone else working for the public sector.I dont know if things were different in the past,though.

    • I see what you are saying! I would like for the jury to have to tell the judge and attorneys exactly why they find a person guilty. They should be required to articulate why they voted that way, based on what evidence was presented. Or maybe a better way to say it is to say why someone was proven “not innocent”. Make the jury back up their decision to convict someone! ( I hope that made sense!) 🙂

      • SET, I wish that were something that was required. Although, if a juror was obviously not “getting” it, how would the judge/attorneys correct it?

    • It’s a wonderful theory, implicating it would be a nightmare. It’s hard to fix a corrupt system. I would like to think it would weed out the people who were biased and/or liars but instead I think we would be in danger of making it some elitest thing. Only the rich can serve…..does that make sense?

    • I agree, and I would like to add there should be testing for comprehension and reasoning skills!!

      • absolutely .. excellent idea. Have potential juror candidates observe a 30 min. film and hear a brief then test them for accurate answers. If they can’t do a 20 min. clip and take a hour for a definite verdict, I sure as hell don’t want them dictating my life. Responsibility, accountability and consequence according to the law and make it work. that would cure crooks on all levels. Sounds simple, eh?

    • Judges and prosecutors have what is called “sovereign immunity.” It would never happen, and it would never be allowed.

      • What does that tell you? But, if i understand the sovereign immunity idea, that is not for “wrongful convictions” as i have seen where prisoned people have sued the courts after being found not guilty.

    • Well in fact certain states doe actually bear the responsibility for wrongful conviction – and when such is proven reparations are paid – though normally pretty minimal.

      In MD

      The Board of Public Works determines compensation packages for pardoned persons who were wrongfully convicted, and may grant a reasonable amount for any financial or other appropriate counseling for the individual.

      AZ has no statute, but an exonerated person has the right to sue.

      The biggest problem of course is that there is no penalty for judicial or prosecutorial error, other than the re-election process for DAs and judges. So in Maricopa County, where 85% of all DP verdicts are overturned due to error – no one pays.

      And that sucks.

    • This is why I love you……brilliant. Well there are other reasons but we won’t discuss them here :0

  132. I think there would be few prosecutors,etc. Would seriously dampen the courts ability to function. I like the idea as it would bring more accountability for how things are done but I don’t think it would attract
    lawyers….especially given the odds of making a mistake.

    • I love where you’re going with this, but I submit to you “PERFECT!” that’s proof that it is working.

      I ask, what lawyer would NOT be a lawyer, if they were going to be charged restitution if they convicted an innocent person? Only the ones that convict INNOCENT people, which is the whole point of this.

      I imagine you are right, that ALOT of judges and prosecutors would NOT be judges or prosecutors if they did this type of system…but, what does that tell you?

      We are selling innocent people to the prison systems, just to make sure we can also convict the guilty. The system is supposed to be the other way around. 100 GUILTY people should go free before 1 innocent person is imprisoned. That’s what the law says, the constitution says and “common sense” of a civilized society says.

      The prosecutors, judges, detectives, state attorneys, etc… Throw it back in our faces all the time when they say “you have nothing to worry about, if you’re not breaking the law”. Well, what’s good for the goose… They have nothing to worry about, if they are sticking to the law and the rules. If they are not over-charging, over prosecuting and over sentencing people, WHY SHOULD THEY WORRY?

      When one side has “no skin in the game”, then its not really a game is it?

      let’s look at Jodi Arias’s case:

      Would the judge be satisfied with “kicking the appeals can down the block”, and not really caring about any of the objections in the trial, as she already knew that another court would have to sort it all out, IF she was going to be financially responsible IF her court wrongfully convicted Jodi of these charges? I don’t think so, we would have seen a CLEAN and ORDERLY court, which is what it is supposed to be.

      Would the state have over charged Jodi with M1 and then on top of it, charged her with CONFLICTING charges, if they could be financially obligated to pay Jodi if the Jury found her guilty of these over charged charges and it was overturned? I don’t think so, she would have been charged with Manslaughter, as that is ALL they could prove…Like it is supposed to be.

      Would the jury have found Jodi Arias Guilty of Felony murder AND pre-meditated murder, based on her “being wierd and a liar” (the jurors words in interviews) If they thought for 1 second they could be held financially responsible if they got it wrong? NOT for a second. NO WAY. End of story, Nope. None. Notta. zero, zilch, DONE.

      Would it have taken 5+ years for the trial to happen…and still is happening? NO WAY. at $250,000 a year? no way would they risk paying an accused murderer 1.25 million dollars for keeping her locked up for this long, when she could have been found not guilty.

      Would the appeals process in this case, if it is similar to MOST DP cases take 10-15-20 YEARS? NOPE. They would have this shit so streamlined, that it wouldn’t be funny. Wait till the first 5 million dollar check gets paid to a convicted, then exonerated murderer, and see if that society re-elects prosecutors like Juan Martinez.

      It would become a system of “true fact finding”, double and triple checked for accuracy and then RECHECKED again, just to make su.. nah..just to be “beyond a reasonable doubt”.

      Do you think the judge would allow the prosecutor to twist witnesses words, like Juan did? Do you think any “TRICKS” would be allowed? Do you think if Juan said something like “the shelf would have tipped over if she stepped on it” wouldn’t have been met with “Show me now, get the book shelf in here, have her stand on the fucking thing and PROVE it to me now”, from both the jury and the judge? Do you think if the jurors and judges $$ is on the line, that they would just ignore the perjury of the state’s witnesses horn and detective shit bag?

      Again, the only lawyers that would fear this would be…the ones that have something to fear.

      I’d gladly pay double for a lawyer that has something to lose. I’d gladly vote for a prosecutor that was willing to put his financial ass on the line. I’d jump up and down to elect a judge that has to follow the law as it was meant, or they lose their home to a VICTIM of the system.

      What gives these people the right to be judge, prosecutor and jury, when they have NOTHING to lose and EVERYTHING to gain?

      What did the Jodi ARIAS jury get for being wrong? Money, fame and TONS of paid TV interviews, book deals, movie deals…. FOR DOING IT WRONG!!

      They are already talking about Juan running for a higher office in AZ or nationally!

      I still don’t think we should allow this type of system to move on. Murdering innocent people, taking the lives away from TONS of prisoners, scaring the rest of us into a police state type of compliance.

      • Ya know though just a thought to consider…..you are assuming these jurors would take their job seriously. Wouldn’t there be a tendency to vote not guilty in cases with evidence where they really felt they had no reasonable doubt? They would be assured to not be charged with convicting an innocent person. Kind of a CYAO mentality. We assume they are taking their job seriously now and it is flawed beyond belief. What is to stop it from going from screaming guilty for no logical reason to screaming innocent? Just makin ya think 🙂

        • Because i think the system is basically set up to bring “supposed guilty people” to a jury to prove to them they were correct.

          The state lawyers first have to decide if the person is guilty, if they dont have a case, they wont charge, in most cases. NOW, having a case and having a “guilty suspect” are two different things. So this would stop ALOT of the BS right there…but back to the jury….

          I dont think a Jury would let off someone that should be found guilty, but i also dont think the jury would use the “far fetched chance they COULD be wrong” as an excuse to find ALL suspects innocent.

          Sure, it could happen, but i would rather take the chance of this, than how it is now where juries convict “just incase the suspect is guilty”.

          Another thing i see this system changing is the education of a jury, BEFORE they are a juror. I think they would want to be educated on what the real rules are, the implications of the law, the implications of their verdict is and all the details…so they can make an INFORMED verdict.

          Look at thsi trial, the jury actually came up with the question “what does Life in Prison mean”. First, why are they worried about this durring the “crulity” phase, and if it IS something they should consider, why didnt they know EXACTLY what this meant before hand. They had already been diliberating for HOURS before they asked this question.

          Juries are being forced to shoot from the hip, they are uneducated and they are dangerous. TELLING them how serious this is does nothing. The system will continue down this unjustly path until SOMETHING is done to change it. I think my idea would change the entire make up of the “responsibilty and seriousness” of the system.

          Cops cant be heald responsible, as long as they did there job how they were supposed to. BUT, when they dont follow the law they are educated better, trained harder and then possibibly penalized for it. WHY? Wouldnt that answer also fit prosecutors and judges and by default the “finders of fact” with the jury?

          Tell me 1 person that would say “I wont do my job in this system anymore, if they ipliment this system” and i will show you 1 person that shouldnt be a judge, prosecutor or a juror…and we should all be GLAD they are not in that job.

          Whats would it tell you about the state of the system if we ended up with NO prosecutors because of this? It wouldnt tell us that we shouldnt do this system, it would show us just how BROKEN the system was.

          Can Dr.’s be sued if they do their jobs wrong and someone losses life or years of their life? YES.
          Can bankers be sued? Yes
          Can car manufacturers be sued? yes
          Why cant judges and prosecutors/juries be held to the same level, given their HUGE impact potential on a persons life?

          • Gee I love it when you talk all lawyery to me 🙂 Seriously I agree the legal system is flawed and I had given thought to “professional jurors” but found too many cons and not enough pros. Your idea makes a ton of sense which is why you will never see it happen! What do you think about having a trained qualified juror pool that deciding cases is their full time job and hold them to the standards you suggested? IMO it would be hard to hold a jury of your peers to that level of accountability because as you can see from this trial…some may not be educated or have an ability to comprehend, much less sort the shit from the shinola.

            • I hear yah kluckin.

              the pro jury thing would solve some issues, but it would also create a lot of issues.

              A qualified jury pool? hm…i think that’s actually what they try to do now, but instead of truly “qualifying them” to be fit to be a juror, the lawyers play games with “selecting who they think would better fit the stereotype of a person that would ‘lean; their way”.

              I disagree with this approach to the jury qualification system whole heartedly.

              I think there should be an “all or nothing” approach to the jury selection process. I don’t think people with a record should be excused, i don’t think people of a certain religion, age, sex, job, income, belief….THESE are all our peers. If they say they are PRO DP..they are on..if they say they are Anti DP they are on. If you exclude these people because of how they think, then why not just cut to the chase and have the lawyers say “here’s my clients story, will you find him innocent?” “here’s the states story, will you find him guilty?” and be done with it! Fuck, that’s basically what they are trying to do.

              it reminds me of the TSA folks when they ask “do you have any types of explosive devises in your bags?” WHY? fuck..just ask me…”are you gonna blow the plane up?” Either way you won’t get a good answer anyway. OR better yet…when they ask if anyone has been in your bags without your knowledge? What? hu…without my knowledge? um, how would i be able to say “yes” if its WITHOUT MY KNOWLEDGE?

              The real reason the lawyers ask these questions is not to see if the person is dumber than a box of rocks, it’s to see if they will give them hints on if they are “good” for their side.

              Fer fuck sakes, it’s not rocket science, is it? It seems pretty clear what they are doing, yet here we sit, taking it in the proverbial ass. I feel like I should buy some astro glide and tie myself to a tree in Mormonville.

              • That was a mental picture I did not need 🙂 I meant “professional” juries that are paid to try cases but yet still held accountable. WAIT I just had the greatest idea ever……why don’t we go back to taking care of our children, teaching them right from wrong, hold them accountable at home, beat their ass when they are disrespectful, love our spouses only (except me and you and our fling of course) work for a living, quit doing and selling drugs, cut the violence out of our entertainment……..shall I go on? I think I have just fixed the entire problem.

        • THey don’t and good point! One woman juror said something about she could tell Jodi was lying by the way she turned her head or talked on and on or something. She basically admitted that she let her personal feelings be her decision, not any evidence presented. It was very childish and petty how she described her decision making process.

          • http://www.allgov.com/news/controversies/judge-sentenced-to-28-years-in-prison-for-selling-kids-to-private-prisons?news=843116

            here’s one example and looking for the other in new england state, grand junction, colorado will be investigated next. My friends son got locked up for tossing a chicken, the charge was assault with a deadly weapon – 3 years. The kid got to work everyday and the prison took his salary. Here we have the 120 day welfare incarceration . . you get held on whatever our corrupt prosecutor says lock up for 120 days, once 120 up and the gvmn’t stops paying, you get released or visit your family for a day then the sheriff picks you up again to start the welfare govmn’t fee. We have a two count murderer in jail now, she gets to visit her sick dad every 120 days and been in since july 22, 2012. It’s the “good ole boy” system.

            • the cash maggots have been helping keep the “cruelty” up front on this next phase for Jodi, From indication .. that is the platform to brainwash the next group of jurors with. The court already has it’s mind made and paid up for them.

            • forgot to mention, grand junction judge owns the prison but had to put it in his wifes name.

      • So David Ayers was convicted of murder in Ohio based on lying cops. After 13 years his conviction was reversed by a federal court.

        Ohio chose not to retry him and turned him loose.

        He sued the city and won $13.2 million.

        Michael Morton was convicted by a Texas jury in a case where even after multiple requests to test for DNA found at the site the DA refused. When it was finally done he was exonerated – after 25 years. Texas paid him $2 m up front and $80k for life.

        And the shit still goes on.

        • So, if we are gonna start paying this money out…it is OUR money, they lets put the bill on the people that actually caused this injustice. The juries, the prosecutors, the detectives and the judges.

          I would have ZERO problem being on a jury, that i had to sign a paper saying that i would take 100% responsibility that if i wrongfully convicted a person, that i would pay there way for the rest of their lives. I would still find a person guilty, but only if i had PROOF. not a gas can, a white car a gun…oh wait…no gun…a gun “story” and a video of a headstand.
          (some would say this is supposed to be the way it works already…someone like US)

  134. Another comment as to Sirlips’ idea – given the fact that the jurors are deciding on whether the accused gets to LIVE OR DIE, I’d say a fine or jail time is more than fair if the jurors come back with a guilty verdict even when there is reasonable doubt. On the other hand, I do see what Judy F. means, and she makes an excellent point too.

  135. Hi. I have been driving myself crazy wondering what ever came of the high profile defense attorney seen sitting behind Jodi on one of the final verdict days. First of all I can’t remember his name (it was hard to spell), and also I’m wondering why he would have just randomly attended her trial if he had no intention of possibly representing her. Does anyone remember his name? Has anyone heard anything more of him? When I looked him up he seemed like just the kind of person that could help Jodi.

    • I can’t remember his name either. I am searching the web. It’s driving me insane LOL

      • Hey guys, I think I saw him named on Wild About Trial the day that he was in court. You might try either tweeting Wild, or going back through past tweets (if that’s possible, I don’t know much about Twitter).

        • Yes. That is where i saw it. Wild about trial. I went back and searched and found a vague reference on may 21 but no name. Call me nuts, believe me , ive been called worse, but seem like it was intentionally removed.

      • How did the Dr visit go bud?

        They found a second heart didnt they? See, i knew it…the ladies were right.

        • I don’t know about the second heart but they found what they think is a sebaceous cyst.

          And I now have a scar I can tell war stories about, and vicodin that makes me loopy.

          So life seems OK.

            • I keep falling asleep. Then I wake up and feel miserable. And my wife insists I have to “stay ahead of the pain” so she doses me again.

              I hate this.

  138. I think the defence should take every advantage if AZ tries DP again. I have heard on HLN they could put on a different case with different witnesses. I would call anyone and everyone who could help, her family, friends like Darryl and Gus Searcy who saw the signs, and if they could get someone to explain the scene to them, as above they certainly seem to have needed it. I am still amazed that they did not see what we all see.

  139. Good Day All! As I am reading posts today I was thinking how difficult and frustrating it is for all to rehash over and over the things that have been discussed and questioned since day 1.Renee summed it up nicely,”and who knows, maybe we will get through to a troll while they are here” You are all appreciated and please dont stop!Hope everyone enjoys the weekend.Hot in New York…Sooooo happy its here! Just wondering where Hail Mary is ?(think that was your last user name) Did you change your name again?

  140. Just heard that the Prosecutors office would be interested in talking with the defense if the defense is interested in a plea deal.

    • I’d tell Kermit to go f**k himself!!!
      NOW he wants a plea deal? Now that he lost face when they jury came back with a no unanimous agreement? If he has to offer sth that will deprive Jodi of her appeal rights,he can go suck it for all I care!

      • (((((((Maria)))))))

        Now why would Kermit go fuck himself when the judge is happy to do it with him? 😉

        • “Now why would Kermit go fuck himself when the judge is happy to do it with him? ”

          Now, now, SET. They only engaged in “grinding.” Technically, no rules were broken.

            • Thank you, Al. I had to look up those terms, and to become educated. You missed one, though, the Provo Dip:

              “Sex act performed by students of Brigham Young University in which the young man dips his penis in the young woman’s vagina without thrusting, thereby following the University’s strict rules regarding sexuality. The couple lies motionless until they fall asleep or get hungry.”

              • Al and Pique,
                I’m so proud of you guys…your yearning for knowledge.
                I wonder if the jurors knew what in hell Jodi was talking about?

    • where did you here that, i can only find that prosecutors office plans to go ahead with new jury

    • I truly doubt it—Jodi will not take their offer if there is one which I do doubt, Those Alexanders are money grubbing shits playing the victim and give me money card ad naseum. You weren’t even aware enough to truly know your brother and what the abuse you all suffered turned him into. Samantha Tanisha you are money grubbing bitches and nothing more and the spirit of hate and blood lust will taint all the remaining days of your lives. Even with money you will be miserable til the day you die over your burning need to avenge a brother you weren’t even there for on any real level in the last ten years of his life. It is their own damaged natures and guilt over being a non factor in his life except for Christmases that they are trying to soothe. It cannot be soothed undone or made right. Travis is gone forever. Your religion should tell you you will indeed see him again. That should be enough. Every one of us will die and many many die in violent circumstances. You are not special or a family to be idolized but pitied for the hate that keeps pushing your forward and will eventually destroy all of you.

  141. So Montgomery put that out on HLN and Jean C. repeated it. Commented that defense could contact the prosecutors office. I am sure they would want life w/o parole or chances for appeal. I can’t see Jodi accepting that.

  142. Montgomery is concerned about all the stuff on t.v. and whether an unbiased jury can be selected. Wow, how long did it take him to make that observation?

    • So Judy….you gonna twist my fingers and “make” me tune in to HLN today!!! Oh the sacrifices I make for the cause:>)))))

  143. Hi Everyone!! I wrote to jodi a couple days ago!! I hope she writes back!! I love her and wanted to tell her myself!! I have a question does she still have M1 because she is still at Estrella. I am a little confused. And can they sequester this jury? Love you guys (((((((((((HUGS))))))))))))

    • Hi Krista!
      She is still in Estrella because she has not been sentenced. We don’t know about sequestration yet but apparently AZ doesn’t do it anymore. At least not since the 80’s, I think.

      • Arizona is a freaking mockery of the justice system and their law making in general starting with the freakshow Jan Brewer makes them and Arizona a more undesireable place to be all the time All corrupt and this time over an abusive double life Morman man who frankly had it coming. As I told my husband, he took his shit out on the wrong girl who in the end was not taking anymore abuse from him ever again JMO. All corrupt and mark my words one way or the other this thing will get overturned for someone or multiple someones including juror misconduct let alone the Flores and Horn lying fiasco= and JM’s bullying and witness intimidation.

        I love the article think it is well written and explains the deadly battle that ensued in a reasonable thought out matter by someone who knows a thing or two about the evidence and knife fights,and not the farce of a story those fuckers concocted and the dumb worshipping Travis masses accepted as fact along with many other unsubstatiated crap LIES –doggy doors, laughable stalking theme, the myriad of other rumors that became supposed facts in the court of public opinion. Those people have a blood lust for Jodi unlike anything I have ever seen, Its just pathetic and shows what evil truly exists in so many fellow Americans.

        And fuck that stupid Heifer Tara—she is butt ugly on a good day and ugly or plain women often hate pretty women—its another dynamic in this scenario.. Jodi is Hodi to them but Travis who placed his penis wherever orifice he was allowed to is a saint, Talk about a double and disgusting standard in our society.

    • I’m talking with my boyfriend about it and i think we confused each other! LOL !! I thought it was a mistrial of the penalty and he thinks its the whole thing. any help’ : )

      • Krista,

        Only the penalty phase was a mistrial. Jodi was convicted on M-1. Also the jury convicted on the aggravation that then allows them to consider the DP.

        If the second jury hangs on a penalty phase then Pickle’s will decide the penalty (including the DP).

        • if second jury hangs DP is off the table judge decides between life without prole or life with parole possible after 30 years

          • I seen two former federal prosecutors on TV say Pickle’s can still impose the DP ?

            • that has been declared unconstitutional in 2006 by U supreme court that’s why AZ has the jury decide on DP,

              • Are you talking about Alabama ?

                I think what you’re referring to is Judges taking jury verdicts of life then imposing the DP. This barbaric practice was found to be unconstitutional.

                Maryland was the 18th State to pass death-penalty-repeal in six years.

                Jodi should of never been charged with anymore then M-2. We just seen a gf found innocent in FL for shooting her bf. Defense argued he shot himself in a struggle. She was charged with M-2 for blowing his head off.

                Zimmerman is charged with M-2.

                • Arizona Criminal and DUI Law Reference
                  Arizona Revised Statutes, Rules of Criminal Procedure, Rules of Evidence & More

                  13-752. Sentences of death, life imprisonment or natural life; imposition; sentencing proceedings; definitions

                  some of which is below

                  J. At the aggravation phase, if the trier of fact is a jury, the jury is unable to reach a verdict on any of the alleged aggravating circumstances and the jury has not found that at least one of the alleged aggravating circumstances has been proven, the court shall dismiss the jury and shall impanel a new jury. The new jury shall not retry the issue of the defendant’s guilt or the issue regarding any of the aggravating circumstances that the first jury found not proved by unanimous verdict. If the new jury is unable to reach a unanimous verdict, the court shall impose a sentence of life or natural life on the defendant.

                  K. At the penalty phase, if the trier of fact is a jury and the jury is unable to reach a verdict, the court shall dismiss the jury and shall impanel a new jury. The new jury shall not retry the issue of the defendant’s guilt or the issue regarding any of the aggravating circumstances that the first jury found by unanimous verdict to be proved or not proved. If the new jury is unable to reach a unanimous verdict, the court shall impose a sentence of life or natural life on the defendant.

                  http://www.arizonacrimelaws.com/13_752V2.htm

  144. Absolutely Shelley, I feel so horrible for Jodi she has been through so much and she did to TA what she had to in order to survive and now she is being punished all over again. TA ruined her life, one single person put her through so much emotional anguish while he was using her and abusing her and then she has to suffer with not only the mental anguish of having to take the events that happen that day with her forever but also dealing with the loss of the individual she loved whole heartedly and now she has to suffer the rest of her life in prison one way or the other. That’s why I want SO BADLY to help her, I would give anything just to allow her to walk free and try to heal properly with her family and loved ones and try to put this horrible mess behind her. I don’t even know her I have never met her but I feel so horrible for her and I know I probably didn’t even begin to describe what she is going through, only Jodi knows truly how this has effected her. I just want to help her and I don’t know where to start. I have been praying for you everyday Jodi, I hope somehow, someone will see through all the BS and come to their senses until then Stay Strong!!

    • I agree.NO ONE should have to apologize for wanting to live. For having to pick their life over that of their attacker. TRAVIS DID NOT GIVE JODI A CHOICE! That was taken from her just like everything else Travis took from her. She is the victim here. Travis wouldn’t have been hurt even if he didn’t do what he did to Jodi. Its a shame how the haters have made the MONSTER ( Travis) the victim and the victim (JODI) the monster. This poor girl was abused in very bad ways. you can see it and hear it WITHOUT Jodi even opening her mouth . So that throws the whole “How can we believe you now ” stupid shit out the window. TRAVIS TELLS YOU HIMSELF !! WITH HIS VOICE!!WITH HIS WORDS !! WITH HIS ACTIONS!! We never heard “Fuck you travis you fucking pedophile sick fucking bastard” or police reports of her being out of line IN ANYWAY! All we heard was Travis belittling and hurting her in every way!! BUt Here we are anyway!! How did this happen? How could these people come to this conclusion even if they DID watch HLN.? But see I ask this of EVERYONE who doesn’t feel the way I do not just the jury. How could you have all the evidance that is SCREAMING abuse and battering and look the other way . Well i think the reason we all feel so strongly about this case is because Jodi could be ANY ONE OF US!!! any one of us could be put in her situation in a sec from no fault of your own. JUST LIKE JODI!! She didn’t know this was going to happen. She NEVER wanted this to happen. Life is unpredictable you cant plan to have to ever deal with something like this. She did the best she could with what she had. yes she did some stupid things like talking with out a lawyer in the interviews and stuff but DAMN the girl just lived through being attacked and having to kill some one!! And to say that she is guilty because she lied to the cops. Look I don’t give a shit who you are but untill you are in that situation DO NOT JUDGE BECAUSE NO YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU WOULD DO WHEN YOUR LIFE FLASHES BEFORE YOUR EYES!!! because she could have fled to south america before they even found his body and no trial would have even occurred because of no extradition even if they connected it to her at all. Because honestly if she would never have had called the cops herself and if she never admitted to it She wouldn’t have ever been charged probably because of no evidence beside the half of a palm print. I feel bad she is were she is and i will do whatever i can to help her . She didnt get a fair well anything. We will fix this in appeals. WHat i read here that CA attorneys had thousands of people helping them through emails and research. We will do that for jodi and when we win we will all come together and have one hell of a party!!

      • I really think you made the best statement ever in what you wrote “Jodi could be any one of us”. That is so true! I don’t wish that on anyone but I wish they would think about it for a minute. She could be your daughter, your sister, your friend, you. People don’t seem to get that part.

        • You know as much as this is the truth I tried no to think like that at the beginning or at least think only like that because then someone might come to me and say ”Hey Travis could be any of us,your son,your brother ,your friend ,you”.
          Now,after all the shit I would tell them to fu*k off but it was the fact that even if someone tried to be ‘objective’ and listen to both sides of the story,the whole thing smelled like SHIT and ABUSE from the get go!! It’s as simple as that!
          And I ‘m proud that all of us here werent simple ‘blinded’ by our love for Jodi or projected our own problems and abused as the haters claimed.On the contrary,her case sounded familiar to some of us,maybe some of us had a hunch,that’s why we made sure we saw and spent time evaluating the evidence and that’s how our support for Jodi turned into love and strong feelings of devotion to her and the cause to help her.

          Life has treated our precious Jodi so unfairly but we can at least do sth to relieve her in the future. (((((((((JODI)))))))))

  145. Flores knows it was highly probable that Travis was not immediately incapacitated by the .25 caliber bullet. What kind of gun does Flores carry – a 9 mm Glock.

  146. We are referring to the DP phase only. Some on this site have asked if there is something they can do to help. There is. Please fill out the contact for Bill Montgomery’s office, and send him your reasons why he should drop his efforts at the death penalty. I just did that. Travis supports are inundating his office re why he should go ahead and I think we should be giving him some reasons for not pursuing it.
    Some examples, the cost of retrial, the potential tainted jury pool, the conflicting evidence presented thus far, the impact on the Alexander family if the new jury has the same outcome as the last, themedia circus that will continue etc. This is something we can do. You can find Bill Montgomery’s site on the internet or maybe some one here will post it. For those who don’t know, he is Martinez boss.

    • See i think that might not be the best idea. see if we bring a bunch of stuff to his attention that he wouldnt have even thought about he might use it against us. We know how he feels he let jaun push it. I think we might expose him to things and give him acess to things he couldnt before. I don’t want to give him a bunch of our info.he knows how much it is and he LOVES THE MEDIA ATTENTION!! THATS WHY HE DIDNT TELL JAUN TO KNOCK IT THE HELL OFF! I If we could pound him with the facts about CH, jaun,and all the other jokes showing him the MASSIVE appeal he will LOSE then maybe.I just think maybe we should think it through first is all.

    • I’d play up the cost of a retrial. The $$$$$ is going to be Montgomery’s biggest concern.

  147. Does anyone know who leaks out all the police video’s & police evidence that isn’t allowed at trial? My guess is Flores & JM.

    HLN ran the videos and discussed the evidence daily that wasn’t allowed to be shown to the jury.

    Isn’t Jodi entitled to a FAIR TRIAL?

      • After he asked for permission from his master -disgusting,slimey Kermit that is!

  148. Thanks Kara. I don’t know any of those involved in this case either. This is actually my very first experience with posting on any website anywhere (and the first time I’ve been motivated to do it). I bet there are many other like me out there reading the posts on this website but maybe afraid or nervous to join in for some reason – although it does seem like the group is growing. Also wanted to say that I know it must be extremely frustrating to those who’ve been here from the beginning to hear the same stuff brought up again like it was never mentioned before. I’m sorry about that. 🙂

  149. I think Montgomery may also be extremely concerned about the appeals in this case. I think he may be trying for a plea that removes the appeals from the table.

    The biggest issue for the County Attorney’s office on appeals really is the Horn/Flores fiasco. He is already sitting on a scathing Appeals Court decision (even though it didn’t happen on his watch) of police lying and associated prosecutorial misconduct. He has to deal with that retrial and now this one’s in his lap too. The problem with such decisions is that they can sometimes bring about a rash of other appeals. So now everyone who was convicted on the basis of the Debra Milke case detective is probably looking to appeal their case, and if some crap happens with respect to Flores and Horn in an appeals court then every person convicted on the basis of either Horn or Flores’ testimony will start jumping up and down with their own petitions.

    And then of course there’s the whole issue of finding another impartial jury, what with all the media coverage, and of course any future appeal with respect to sequestration etc, especially since Montgomery himself opined that the judge should have sequestered this jury. So now you have both the prosecutor’s office and the defense saying the judge should have sequestered this jury, and how does an appeals court react to that.

    So I think Montgomery is looking for a way out of this mess, with a deal that takes the DP off the table and probably asks Jodi to give up her right to appeal. But, all she needs is one juror out of 12 and she gets LWOP in any case. So how do they sweeten the pot for her. They can’t get a lesser sentence since AZ has none for M1 (remember they did away with the parole board in like 1994 or something). I guess he could ask for an immediate ruling from the clemency board and get her 25 years or something, but I don’t know whether that would even work. So what other chips does he have. He could reduce it down to M2 with an agreed upon sentence ad present that to the judge, if she’ll buy it – but again would he.

    So we’ll see what happens.

    I think its a real tough call for the defense attorneys. Do you ask a client to give up all rights to an appeal and live the rest of their life in jail, or do you tell them to keep fighting. If I was the defense team I’d be talking to every damn appeals lawyer I can find, right now.

    • I think I am out of my element here. I never heard of an avatar, but now believe it has something to do with FB, to which I have a strong philosophical aversion. I have never tried to participate in a forum like this one either, so I don’t know how to follow threads or even read my posts, if indeed they ever show up. (This is only my third).

      That said I am so glad there are others out there who believe in Jodi and are seeing the trial by media for what it is. So whether or not this post goes up on the forum, here’s my two cents, again. They are in keeping with some earlier posts that have responded to the Speights article, which is to say —

      Jodi is innocent! She was there but she did not do it, I don’t care what the knife wounds were supposed to have shown. For starters, Jodi did not put the dead body in the shower, give me a break. I would also like to know who Travis was REALLY looking at in the pre-murder photo of him in the shower staring at the camera. Then there’s the 62 seconds, etc, etc.

      The defense for whatever reason dropped the ball, and Jodi needs a retrial.

      Jodi did not do this and to spend life in prison for something she did not do, and would NEVER have done, all because of a rabid, glory-seeking prosecutor, some brain dead jurors and horde of media whores . . . well it’s just beyond words.

    • Keep fighting!!!
      That’s what I’d say to her.
      Why give up her rights to appeal? Just because the Prosecutor’s office suddenly realized they screwed up this entire thing?
      Hell no,Jodi! I hope you wont listen to them,girl!

  150. The one thing I don’t understand in this case. If Jodi gets the life sentence w/o parole and accepts it, she won’t be able to appeal under any circumstances, will she? Even if the prosecution misconduct is proven? This looks awful!

    • No, they would have to stipulate in a deal that Jodi couldn’t appeal. She has the right to appeal if give Life or Life wop. If she is given the DP appeal is automatice.

      The best thing would be new evidence to prove her innocence.

    • Well it all depends on the terms of the plea agreement if that comes as a result of a plea deal. I think what some folks are saying is that a plea deal between her and the state may require her to forgo her right to appeal. I haven’t seen anything that says that’s what the state is asking – this is all speculation. Of course in any plea agreement, as in all cases both sides should have something to give, and I guess people are speculating that the state gives on the DP and they ask Jodi to give on the appeals.

      And there in lies the rub. If she gets the DP she gets an automatic appeal and almost 2/3 of all DPs in AZ are overturned on direct appeal and a further 14-15% (for a total of 80% reversal) are overturned on the federal level. So she has a real good chance of it being overturned and the state having to do some or all of the trial again. If she doesn’t get the DP but LWOP (which puts her in the same position as the state would possibly offer) she still has her appeal rights available.

      So there just doesn’t seem any money in it for her to not turn down that sort of deal. They’d have to make some totally different sort of offer. Of course the state already has a M1 verdict, and AZ has no parole system, so its sort of tough to see what they could offer.

      If one was a real optimist one could say well maybe they could offer dropping it down to M2 and agreeing on a maximum sentence, but I just don’t see that happening. So I think this is headed back to trial, unless Jodi capitulates and takes LWOP.

      Now maybe the state will say, let’s get the LWOP and see what you can get on appeal, and maybe we can try another deal if the verdict is reversed on appeal – at least that way it saves the county resources, but I don’t think that’s going to happen either. Particularly since that will look like the county capitulated.

      So we’ll see.

    • Actually in retrospect, I found some cases where they appealed even after a plea deal, on the basis that there was some sort of misconduct involved.

  151. I wish Jodi could get a new trial considering all this additional information that has come to the forefront. I’ve been pondering over and over how Travis could have spewed blood from his nose and mouth if, according to all the evidence to date he suffered a gunshot to the head at the end of the fight. This analysis sets the record straight once and for all.
    Jodi needs a new lawyer to represent her in the next Penalty Phase.
    Could a high powered legal team please come forward to defend Jodi!!!! She is INNOCENT and she needs our help. JUSTICE FOR JODI.

  153. IMHO, when juror vote on the DP it comes down to their own FEAR of the person and how much revenge they want. We all have a built-in FEAR barometer within our core, i.e. When I was young the mere mention of Charles Manson and Jim Jones would send a shudder down my spine. CM is locked up and JJ is dead. Can these people hurt me or other members of society? Of course not, my fear was based on what they did and what CM might do if he escaped. I will adventure to say, for those you who have survived an abusive relationship or been a victim of pedophilia, the mere mention of TA name instills FEAR within you. This fear factor is ONE of the reasons I’m anti-DP. Others have posted their view of the DP as a revenge sentence, I agree. I personally can’t impose a DP sentence based on where the person lands on my FEAR scale. Over the years, the people on my most feared list change continually. IMO, the main difference between the 12 juror’s decisions are their levels of fear and their want for revenge; 8 have high levels of fear of Jodi and want revenge, the other 4 have lower levels of fear and want a lower level of revenge. ALL 12 voted Pre Med (planned before or after she arrived) and all 12 agree in the aggravating phase. These 12 do not view Jodi as we do. The 4 jurors that did not vote for the DP did raise a little hope in me. Are they still wondering “why” Jodi would do this? Or did one or more of mitigating factor make a different to them? I heard one anti-DP attorney say, she was for the DP in Jodi’s case…..I listened closely; her reason was….she wants Jodi to learn a lesson…isn’t that revenge? IMHO….this lawyer isn’t anti-DP, she wants to pick and choose who “she thinks” should get the DP based on her own scale of fear and/or revenge. The next jury panel pool will consist of people who will want to pick and choose; they will be asked if they COULD put someone to death. My fear…How can I say it…will the next 12 be more pro DP than the first 12…..? Meanwhile, I’m stuck here shaking my head waiting for the system to assembly the round 2 of the DP phase.

    • I agree, Ann. Fear and hatred are a two-headed creature. This one wants Jodi to “learn a lesson”? That’s similar to something one of the death-jurors said: that her decision wasn’t so much about the aggravating factors, as it was about Jodi “herself”–that she simply didn’t trust her because of her lies. These comments are VERY telling. They reveal, I think, that many people want to see her suffer and die for reasons that have very little to do with the killing.

      • So true. When these jurors started talking ,I thought Travis and the evidence of the case that led them to the M1 verdict would be all they would talk about.However,what came out of their mouths was listing all of Jodi’s ‘bad qualities’ so to speak. At some point ,it sounded like a bunch of high schoolers snitching or bashing one of their classmates.It gave me the chills because those were the people that had been sitting on those chairs,supposedly serving their country ans assuming a woman’s innocence until proven giulty.But what to expect from some people when they sound like regulars on the various HLN panels??

        • I know, maria. It IS chilling. That they would kind of put the killing on the back-burner, and focus in on Jodi’s personality.

          Have you seen the 1970s movie, Carrie? Makes me think of those girl-bullies who pelted Carrie with menstrual pads for being weird and out-of-step with the crowd.

          • Exactly, the alternate heffer, saying she put in 76 questions and her my most famous…”Why should we believe you now” one.

            • Alternate Heifer Death-Juror:

              “So, she was just like, sitting there–that way she just sits there all the time?–and she goes, ‘I didn’t mean it; I was afraid; it was self-denfense’ and, I’m like, oh sure, right. As if, right? So, I said to her, i just said it: ‘why should we believe you now, bitch?’ Well, i didn’t say the ‘bitch’ part, but I wanted to, you know–cause she’s so, ugh … I just can’t stand her … And, any way, she goes, ‘well, I don’t normally lie …’ and, I’m like, yeah, sure … and I couldn’t even listen to the rest, ’cause she’s just such a bitch and she makes me sick, you know? Oh my god, did you see her hair that day?”

                • Heh. I should’ve added exclamation points after each statement to more fully capture the horror!!!

                  Everyone who cares about fairness, integrity, reason and the importance of having “a jury of one’s peers” should be scared poopless by this type.

              • Now I feel bad that my insult against this juror included the word “heifer.” I wasn’t even really thinking about her looks so much as her vacuousness, but that’s not a good excuse, since I did not consider at ALL how others might take it. I apologize to anyone who found it hurtful. Size, of course, has nothing to do with character. Wish I could delete it.

      • I know my anti DP position isn’t a popular one. I even question myself at times…could I vote yes for the DP if bin laden was on trial? Why was I so happy when I heard he was dead? Yes, fear and hatred are a two-headed creature.
        Yep, I agree, very telling, I think the death-jurors focused on the Jodi’s lies.
        In this case, I should say I’m anti-overcharging too.

        • Yes, Ann, I really think they wanted to teach her a lesson about lying. Or, more so, for being a “lying whore.”

  154. I think those dummies that they use in car crash tests would have displayed better comprehension skills than this jury. I hate to diss them for performing a public service but they performed so poorly. It seems to me they went in with the presumption of guilt and thought it was up to the defense to prove innocence. Not visa versa. Are they dyslexic? Did anyone explain to them that’s not how it works? I hope Jodi does NOT accept LWP!! There are smarter jurors out there! This bunch probably still watches Dora the Explorer for educational purposes!!

    • I’m still not over the fact that thie Tara person seems to have the IQ of a lemur! (No offense intended)
      She sounds like a bimbo,talks like one and behaves like a bimbo(no offense intended either).
      They never got over the autopsy photos and they had set their minds the moment they saw them,imo.
      That is utterly PREJUDICIAL.

  155. Hi guys,
    (((((((((((((((TEAM JODI))))))))))))))
    (((((((((((((JODI)))))))))))))))

    About writing letters. I wrote one to the Gov of AZ. I’ll prob send it along to the Chief Justice also. They only problem is I don’t have black ink and I only order it from HP where I get all of my computer stuff from. I think if I feel like writing that day I may send it to my Gov and Chief Justice too thanking them for their service. Not really to thank them bc I can’t stand my Gov, just so they can have a chuckle at AZ.

    • I also finally wrote to Dr. Douche, and HLNs owners Time and Turner. This sounds dumb but it was hot and I took a really long shower and I do my best thinking in the shower and I had all this stuff put together by the time I was done.

  156. Reminder, Vladimir Gagic is hosting a call-in live radio show on blogtalkradio.com. Title: “Should Jodi Arias accept a life sentence? No…”. For those that don’t know, he is a defense attorney. So for those so inclined to call in you won’t get cut off like on HLN. From what I have seen on other broadcasts, if you can get through, he really lets you say whatever you have to say and gives you plenty of time. It might be a good platform to get our views across. The show starts at 6:30 Eastern.

    http://www.blogtalkradio.com/prisondemocracy/2013/05/31/should-jodi-arias-accept-a-life-sentence-no

    • RB
      so time ago he asked his posts and links be removed from this page fyi
      I listen to some of his podcasts before, he’s knowledgeable of Arizona law, he however does not agree in her innocence, or that she was defending herself.

      • Melvis, I didn’t know that he didn’t believe in her innocence. I wonder if he is aware of Richard Speights’ article?

      • Where did you hear that he didn’t believe in her innocence? He has stated many times that he does not believe it was premeditated and also that the felony murder charge was nonsense. He has always predicted that the jury would come back with manslaughter.

  157. A whole new trial would be the best answer. And I think 6 unbiased judges would probably be better than 12 stupid people. I don’t know. I was just out fishing with my daughter and there was a huge dead fish on the bank and the buzzards started swirling and picking. This reminded so much of Nancy Grace and her cohorts. They are vile.

    • Hey Gwen! I didn’t know you liked fishing! Cool me tooooo. LOL I used to sit out at the pier all day long every day. It was almost like a job to me, ha! Now I just go to the river when I can and catch catfish, yum. What kind of fishing do you do?

      I soooooooooooooooo hope Jodi does NOT take that deal. I mean right now she is ok, she has her appeals in place and I hope she knows we are all working for her to get this tragedy of a conviction overturned.

        • LOL, I’ve been known to “feed the fish” from time to time. Catfish is soooooooooo good, yum! My brother in law actually welded steps down the bank so that we could get to the water easier. I can’t wait to feel better and get my tail to the river!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • When my daughter was in her teens she went river fishing trips with friends. A huge flying carp jumped in the boat cutting her legs and feet. She still claims the rights to catching it since she was the one injured.

  158. above, i posted a “supplement” to material on “teach yourself law”

    it’ll take time to ensure it’s ok

  160. MONTGOMERY SAID NO TO A CHANGE OF VENUE IN A PRESS CONFRENCE!! WHAT THE FUCK!!!!!???!?! Is it his call?

    • Az Attorney Generals call and cash already been in tweet with him and keeping tabs with Aprias .. I’m on with cj, get this over Az heads.

    • He is a stupid sob!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! There is no way in hell that anywhere close to AZ that she could get a fair trial!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That shit needs to be boycotted!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The haters need to find out that there are plenty of people who support Jodi and KNOW without a doubt that she fought for her life that day! This is complete and utter bullshit!!!!!!!!!!

    • I don’t think it is his call, technically. I think it is the judge’s call.

      But someone posted awhile back (Al, I think) that JM and Pickles have the same boss. If true, then that would be the County Attorney, I guess.

  161. I posted this a few days ago but now I have a question about it. These are Travis’ words in a blog on Monday, 8 May 2008 in which he’s writing about his childhood:

    “I remember my mother emptying a revolver on the car my father was driving and my father subsequently taking an axe to my mother’s belongings and destroying them. I remember being on the other side of the front door when my father kicked it down. The police were called that time along with many others, but I knew what had to be said and knew they would leave us to more of the same.”

    So Travis not only learned how to handle disagreements, he also learned that kind of violent behavior carries no consequences. (Must have been a really big surprise for Travis!)

    Question: Was Alyce able to make any reference to this on the stand? Or, if she did, was it possibly so watered down by Juan’s bullying, badgering and sustained objections that it never made it into the minds of the jury? (Or maybe the jury was too busy watching Samantha roll her eyes.)

    • I remember her saying I think that his childhood was bad but she wasn’t allowed to elaborate. Jodi wasn’t allowed to elaborate either.

      OHHHHHHHHHHHHHH how I wish someone had been rolling their eyes continually while OTHERS were talking, fake tears, eye roll, fake body shake, eye roll, begging for money from the sheep, HUGE eye roll, on and on

      • I wonder if that was considered unverified hearsay. Geez, they had three siblings there to verify if it was true. Or were they denying it (just so they could be sure to kill Jodi.)

      • If people couldn’t tell their tears and tortured faces were phony then there is no hope for some people. I got sick of watching them scrunch and contort their alcohol syndrome faces up with that skeletor looking tanisha making sure she was looking directly at the camera!!

  162. I have to say I don’t give a rats ass about how much this costs!! there is no amount of money woth Jodis life. So if this has to rack up a billion dollars then thats fine with me. She is worth more then any amount of money to us. It’s just going to take alittle bit to prove it!! AND WE WILL PROVE IT!! SHE be out becausre of us never giving up. So fuck the haters if they would have done he right thing and took a deal to begin with then all this money wouldn’t have been spent. Maybe they should have thought about the people they were dealing with when they started this shit. Because we wont back down and as SJ and team jodi says WE WILL BE VICTORIOUS!!!!!

    • thugs are running the show . . it’s more than victimizing Jodi. You’re right . . we need to keep our alliance together and not back down. While they continue to corrupt, we have to “think” corrupt to keep up with them but our mission is for the greater good. We have to keep faith. Every time the court gets stalled, I’m needing a feeling that by religion or justice . that . greater good will prevail.

    • It’s so hypocritical on their part nagging about the cost right now. If it was the cost they cared about then their precious frog should have accepted the plea deal Jodi offered way back.Now they can all suck it and shut their mouth up! They brought this to themselves.And isnt the majority of Mesa,AZ against Jodi?Arent they the taxpayers paying for this? HA HA HA ,I say to them. If it’s Justice for Travis they seek then why complain?Sorry,haters you cant have it both ways!
      Empty your pockets while WE are working to get justice FOR JODI!

    • I 2nd your opinion Krista. I have been a taxpayer for 36 years and could care less how much it costs when innocent people get wrongly prosecuted. Most of the cost rests on Juan Martinez’s shoulders. Hell, make him pay.

  163. AA…..MISSING YOU!!!

    You added much insight to this site and look forward to your return.

    ((((((((((((((Hugs AA)))))))))))))

  164. I believe in the death penalty. I believe in it when you have a sadistic serial killer who is just waiting to get out to kill again. Child molesters I don’t even have to have the stomach to figure out what to do w them. I say life in prison bc I’ve heard that prisoners don’t like molesters much .My background is science so what I would really rather have than the death penalty is the opportunity to study these serial killers. question them and perform testing on them. But they would have to agree to that. There are some people that aren’t safe enough to be popped back into society.

    I don’t even understand why this is a DP case.

    Idea to the Catholics. Write to the Archbishop and anti death penalty orgs in AZ. Meanwhile we should keep a running list somewhere of commercials on HLN and write to each company to boycott them. I have half a list.

    • This never should have been a death penalty case. They did shoddy work, targeted one person, and tried to make the evidence and facts fit even though they don’t. They absolutely do NOT add up to murder. They add up to self defense because she was fighting for her life that day against a bigger, stronger, attacker.

      • I don’t even understand how it’s a DP case. Aren’t there rules some where about what kind of penalty you can charge a crime? Oh yeah, not in AZ.

    • Make sure you follow the STRICTLY ENFORCED rules about size and ink color and so on. That way you ensure she get it!! : )

      • I’m in PA so I don’t have a problem, but I know people overseas were having problems. I found out from the jail that you can send books from amazon.com but only soft covered books. I’m on hold w them again to see if there’s anything more we can mail.

        I’m like a mail freak LOL

        • She can get magazines from a subscription
          Photographs
          • NO POLAROID PICTURES
          • Up to five photographs may be mailed to the jail (or dropped off in the visitation lobby)
          provided the envelope is clearly marked “PHOTOGRAPHS.”
          • Photographs may NOT be larger than four inches by six inches.
          • The inmate name and booking number must be written on the back of each photograph.
          Nothing else is to be written on the photographs.
          • Photographs must be unaltered, and may not contain any adhesives, such as stickers or
          labels

    • I have mailed 3 postcards and I haven’t gotten them returned, but she also hasn’t written me back yet.

      • Eek hit reply too soon. I meant to add I hope she is getting them… I don’t know where they would be if I haven’t gotten them back.

    • Hi Danielle! I have trouble writing to her but my good friend ((((((TR)))))) bought me some american postcards and we are currently trying to find a solution so I can write to my Jodi.
      The more mail she gets the better it will be to keep her her in good spirits.

  166. Have we discussed the aggravating factors here? I found this document that outlines cases and their aggravating factors, and I can’t believe that Juan Martinez was even allowed to bring them in. The physical pain and mental anguish circumstances that were upheld in these cases are very, very disturbing -nothing at all like what Juan Martinez got these jurors to believe. Not even close.

    The ones that were reversed were reversed for the following reasons
    Cruel: Reversed. The Court clarified the law regarding the consciousness of the victim in evaluating cruelty. “[T]he state’s arguments on appeal in support of an (F)(6) finding of physical cruelty, appear to be based on the assumption that a murder is especially cruel whenever the victim remains conscious for some moments after being shot. We find this assumption to be flawed.” 187 Ariz. at 203. The definition of cruelty is “disposed to inflict pain esp. in a wanton, insensate or vindictive manner: sadistic.” 187 Ariz. at 203 (quoting Gretzler, 135 Ariz. 42, 51, 659 P.2d 1, 10 (1983)).
    Mental Anguish: Not found. A murder is especially cruel if the victim suffers mental anguish by watching or hearing another person being killed. In this case, the three victims were killed in “rapid succession without any appreciable time to contemplate their fate. . . . Given the haste with which the trio exited the scene, it is unreasonable to assume that they lingered before their last shots.” 187 Ariz. at 204, 205. Therefore, the trial court’s finding of mental anguish as to the murders of Huang and Arriola was overturned.
    Is this why the shot last theory was so important?! Because if he was shot first, the aggravating circumstance wouldn’t hold up?
    Physical Pain: Not found. The Court followed “the implicit rule of Ortiz, Bishop, and Ceja, that where shots, stabbings, or blows are inflicted in quick succession, one of them leading rapidly to unconsciousness, a finding of cruelty, without any additional supporting evidence, is not appropriate.”

    What was Martinez’s evidence for cruelty? Losing consciousness within seconds does not fit the cruel paradigm. What about mental anguish? A reflection in the mirror? Hearing Jodi sneak up behind him? Was that his attempt to show sadism? That is BS, and I believe her defense team vehemently objected to this fairy tale. Was it overruled? Probably, but I can’t remember.

    I would also think that the physical pain part of the cruelty wouldn’t hold up either, given the quick sucssesion of the wounds, and how quickly he had to of bled out.

    Horn left open a lot of doubt by the way he answered Wilmott’s questions. He could never say for sure if Travis was conscious, if he could hear, or see, feel extreme pain. I honestly do not see how the aggravating factors would hold up on appeal. What “evidence” beyond a reasonable doubt did the state present?

    Here are the cases where the aggravating circumstances were upheld, and the one where it was reversed. I am not saying that what happened wasn’t brutal, but it does not take a rocket scientist to see that these people SUFFERED… mentally and physically, at the hands of sadistic killers. Martinez really had to stretch the circumstances here – more so, in my opinion, than he did with the fantastical felony murder charge and the “burglary”/murder/assault predicates. Please have a look here:

    http://www.supreme.state.az.us/courtserv/crtproj/capsentguid/page61.htm

    • He dwelled on the pain part, asking Horn if this stab hurt, that stab hurt, etc.

      IMO, Travis probably didn’t feel any of it. There was a new show that premiered on OWN last night called “The Day I Almost Died”. One woman had been shot in the back, it exited out the front, meanwhile she is running down the street not even knowing she’d been shot until she saw the blood on her shirt. Another woman had been stabbed several times and had bleach poured all over her and all she felt was cold and weak, no sensation of the stab wounds or bleach burns at all.

      • I don’t think he felt that much either. I think he was hopping mad. I hope she doesn’t take a plea deal, because if this new jury gives her death, there will be many, many issues that won’t hold water.

      • Yeah i saw the same show you for got to mention the women who got covered in bleach also was running down the street with a STEAK KNIFE STICKING OUT OF HER SIDE!!! so I seriously doubt Travis felt anything.

  168. WELL THE NEW JURY WILL NOT BE SERQUESTERED !!! MONTGOMERY JUST SAID IT IN A PRESS CONFERENCE!!!! HE SAID HE SAW NO NEED FROM THE PREVIOUS PHASES OF THE TRIAL!! I”M I LOSING MY MIND HERE!!! DID HE SEE THE SAME FUCKING TRIAL!!!!!! UGHHHHHHHHHH

      • NOPE!! He said the jury was given instructions regarding the media and he felt they followed those instructions!! CAN YOU BELIEVE THIS!!!!

        • Oh ok,if ”he felt ” they followed the admonition then we can all safely assume they did.LMAO!

      • Actually at one point in an interview that I saw, he did say he had a concern that not having had a sequestered jury could prove to be a problem down the road. I also think the Judge has Final jurisdiction over whether or not the jury is sequestered, Not the District Attorney. He is trying to put water on his fears, by now pretending it is a mute issue.

    • I could be wrong, but I don’t think it is up to him. Nurmi will likely make a motion to sequester, and then the judge will have to rule.

      • No, you’re right, Journee. The judge has the final say on that. I have no idea why that asshole Montgomery is saying anything about this; he has no say in the matter whatsoever. He needs to shut his fat fu**ing mouth! That bastard is as crooked as they come.

        • I posted up there ^ somewhere —- awhile back someone here mentioned that Martinez and Pickles have the same “boss”. Now, I KNOW Montgomery is JM’s boss, so maybe he’s Pickles’ too? If so, I guess Montgomery’s say-so on sequestration might as well BE so – if Pickles is answering to her boss instead of Lady Justice.

      • Yes but he’s made his wishes heard…. and we all know they want to offer her LWOP with no appeal. He even said after talking with the “victims” he decided to re-try.

    • Man I was so pissed I couldnt hardly believe it. But you helped me settle down . i didnt know he said that about the jury earlier in the interview. I hope the judge does this time. I wonder if he’ll put pressure on her to do it this time? He didnt seem like he was going to be to helpful though.

      • Hey, you know what – if he wants to throw it all to hell in a hand basket, let him. The case is headed for appeals as soon as they sentence her, anyway. So if he wants to gift Jodi with more grounds for appeal, lets just welcome it.

  169. NO FUCKIN WAY! I guess he’s worried about Nancy Grace’s ratings! This CANNOT stand. So the lying, cheating Arizona flying monkey show continues! What is the damn point if you’re going to make the same moronic mistakes? I wouldn’t visit that state if they promised to give me half!!!

    • By the way the interview with Montgomery that I am referring to above took place about a month ago. I think it was on one of the local news channels in the Phoenix area. I wanted my husband to see it, and when I went to find it again a couple weeks ago I could not. I wondered at the time if he regretted it and asked that it be removed. Maybe someone can find it but I can’t.

    • Nancy Grace said something stupid. The end. No I’m just kidding. She was all like I’m tired of hearing about how much money it costs to keep prisoners locked it, it’s one of the most important things we do in this country.

      • THAT attitude is why so many come home angrier and meaner than they were before. People like her who lie and instill hatred and judgment should spend their own time away! The most important thing would be spending that money trying to train these people to appreciate our country, its people and to realize that they have a duty to be productive and positive contributors to the welfare of this country. If people got that point, and understood that the punishment was over once they were free, maybe things would settle down. But instead, we continue to judge and persecute them. Just labeling them as “ex-cons” makes their place a negative one. The most imporant investment would be mental health services and facilities that actually did rehabilitate. Yes, punishment HAS to come with it. I never enoyed a spanking growing up, but it worked! Plus we need to eliminate the “game” theory of modern day trials. It’s not a game. The winner should be the truth!

  170. Guys LizA asked who that big deal lawyer was sitting behind the defense team that one day and I am going crazy looking for it online. Does anyone remember?

      • ((((((((((((((((((((((((((Rachel))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

        I was just about to bang my head into this wall over here!

        Thank you so much for saving my pain!

        • Yes. . . That was his name! ! He is a private attorney not a court appointed public defender. Why would he have been there if not interested in representing her. Maybe he is still considering helping her. I wonder if hes seen the knife analysis/essay

        • Anytime, (((Danielle)))! 😀 That name really stuck out to me when I first heard it, and I did some googling about him the day he was in court, haha

    • Ulisses Ferragut (sp?). Victoria Washington, Jodie’s original PD was also there, which I found interesting, given the “rumors” of conflict. (ie that Jodi was difficult to get along with vs a conflict of interest – she defended someone associated w/ this case)

      • I wonder who Washington ended up representing that would have been associated with this case.

        Did Dustin end up in trouble for something?

        • Yes he was in trouble, I think he’s serving time for Mortgage fraud. My first thought was one of TA’s siblings, but I can’t remember if any of them committed crimes while living in AZ. Or if they even ever lived in AZ.

  171. Montgomery did say in an interview a little while back that, “maybe the jury should have been sequestered”. Now he’s not gonna put his money where his grimey mouth is, but what can we expect for ANYONE in a position of power in SHITZONA!!

    • Hello Ru!!!! ((((((((((((((((I LOVE YOU))))))))))))))

      Hello friends!!! I hope everyone is excited about it being FRIDAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      ((((((((((((((((((((((hugs))))))))))))))))))))))))))

      • Hello Janeen!!

        ((((((((((($$$$$bitchesnhoes$$$$$$))))))))))))

        TGIF!! Too bad I gotta go to school 2night UGH!

        Somebody’s gotta get an edumacation in this piece!! LOL!

        • You go Ru!!!! You are SO FUCKING AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          TGIF is RIGHT!!!!! I will miss you later! 🙁

  172. There is a rumor that Beth Karas is leaving HLN next week. Anyone know for sure?

    • Sorry cannot help….I do not degrade my vision by watching that station – it has been BANNED from my cable boxes..LOL LOL LOL

      • LOVE your gravitar, J. I think I have a pretty good idea of the IMMENSITY!!

        • Oh yes….my dear, dear friend….yes you sure do!!!!! LMAOOOOOOOOOOOO

        • ((((((((((((((((((((((KMILLER)))))))))))))))))))))))))))) Hi !! TGIF!!!! Can you believe all this new shit Montgomery is spewing!!! Followed instruction my ass!!! that jury couldn’t hardly follow each other to the bathroom!!!

        • Yes about Beth Karas and no I don’t know where she is going. But I’m not sure I really care where she’s going. I do wonder why she’s leaving though.

        • This is from Beth Karas Face Book

          It’s true. Beth Karas is leaving HLN next week. Stay tuned for exciting announcements for upcoming projects! Will post them here as allowed. Beth will rise and will not leave us!

          I’m proud of her, she’s the only one w half a brain, maybe she’s going somewhere that they will let her use the other half.

          • I think the night Nancy Grace kept interrupting her when she took a middle ground in the case was it for Beth. You could see that she was visibly not digging Nancy’s approach with her. I do not know whether she is choosing to leave or they pushed her out. I have been in positions in my life where I felt intimidated by people like Nancy, and finally had to say I can’t do this anymore.

            • ” …visibly not digging Nancy’s approach with her.”

              Great minds think alike, Rebecca64! And, look at the timing of our postings.

          • I noticed that Beth had a certain air about her when she was near those others–JVM and Nancy. She was often evasive and equivocal with them, and sometimes subtly, but visibly, recoiled from the big blasts coming out of their mouths. She’s too reserved for that pack of hyenas!

          • She’s probably just moving over to CNN. There was a time when that might have been considered a step up. Now, not so much.

        • Maybe she has finally realized that she is working for a tabloid news channel that spreads hate and doesn’t really tell the truth.

          • I’m sure she knew that a long time. Anyone can see that. Anybody that could watch and believe the BULLSHIT coming out of HLN during the Arias trial has to be an idiot.
            Period.

    • Let me go out on a limb here. Any chance she is catching a shuttle to Mars? Maybe taking all her cohorts with her?

    • Too late, unless she’s just planning to crawl in a hole. She’s already trashed her reputation, she might as well stay where she is.

      • Couldn’t agree more! I’m guessing since she is so cozied up to Chris Hughes and the rest of the evil lot, that she’s got a great new position with Pre Paid Legal. Just take a look at the FB picks of her with them at a restaurant…maybe it was the job interview. I think at this point that is Beth’s best bet since she sold out as a real attorney.

  173. This is Ulises Ferragut’s website. I think it was posted before, but incase you missed it.

    GOD PLEASE have a good starving hungry mangy growling appeals attorney salivating for this case!!!

    http://ferragutlaw.com/

  174. ((((((((((((((Moni))))))))))))))))))))

    ((((((((((((((((((((((((My beautiful SIS)))))))))))))))))))))))))))

    🙂

  175. I have to share this and there’s nobody in my personal life who would understand like you all would. They advertised on HLN on satellite radio that NG was doing a special on Jodi and her lovers.

    I didn’t watch it!!!! I must admit I was curious but I felt that for my own mental health and well being it would be better not to tune in. I have not watched anything on there for weeks, except for listening occasionally on my way to work (sat radio). I find I have much more peace and tranquility in my life if I keep anger to a minimum. That’s not possible if I have NG on.

    Aren’t you all proud of me? I am proud of me!!!!!!

    If I did it, you all can do it too. Just be strong!!!

    • Jodi and her lovers? was she talking about her supporters or her FOUR boyfriends in 10 years?

      NG is at best irrelevant to me she and ALL the rest of the haters can eat shit vomit it up and eat it again ten times over for all I care.

      On a brighter note, I am proud of you ♥

      • TY Kmiller I am proud of me too! It sounded like they had several lovers lined up to talk to NG and as you and I both know, the network would pick and choose what they would air. Whatever comes out of these men’s mouth would be edited until it was scathing against Jodi. I’m just glad I didn’t watch it. Too much hate and bull involved with all they do.

        • Several lovers?Lined up? That must have been a really short queue.Jodi was one of the least ‘naughty’ girls lovers-wise I’ve known in my life.

          • I agree only 4 bf’s for a young woman that pretty is very low number an 2
            are during the teenage years Bobby Juarez an then the Arias over in some
            other country Victor……..then Matt then Daryl Brewer an then Travis. That
            is not a lot of men. The first 2 are from teenage years I remember her saying
            that. People are very cruel calling her all the names they do. They must
            not have a daughter or they could not do that.

            Seriously Jodi was very conservative in her dating men I think. I always think
            if that Daryl would have wanted marriage an gave into at least having one child
            they would have never broke up she would have never met Travis. That is
            really selfish of older men to not want to commit but want a younger pretty
            woman. An expect them to be happy with living together an a child from
            another marriage. An never have their own baby. That is insane ! an
            selfish.

            There are some young woman that are fine with that but many are
            not. Older men should be straight up an not play house with pretty younger
            ones unless they have a big talk about it first. But then hell in your young
            20’s you may change your feelings about having a baby too. That would just
            suck !

    • Yes I am proud. I also have not watched any HLN Joke News. I did watch a clip
      though from there posted here one day but it was only a few seconds long of
      Donovan but I did not listen to the Joke Panel when it came on there.

      They really did just keep me upset also. I did read on Twitter someone said that
      the In Session was going out. Which it has not been a option on my tv for months
      now they combined those people on HLN during this trial. But Beth K an that Jean C
      they are leaving is what I read? We really need the old court tv back with no people
      joking an talking an laughing about the trial I think it is so disgusting! an making a
      mock trial too during a actual trial. I think is so wrong. I feel bad for Zimmerman
      if he is the next one.

  176. Maybe this is why Beth Karas is leaving HLN. No more live trial coverage. Can this really be true?

    Prof Pride ‏@ProfPride 1h

    @westcoastprof @LiseLasalle @itz_Henri_O: HLN and in Session will no longer cover any live trials. live reporters 1/2

    • If this is true, some one must have come down on HLN with a big hammer since their ratings were shooting up.

      • I am a little doubtful of this, due to the fact that they are ramping up for Zimmerman/Martin trial in Fl. and have people in place to report. Soooo I am staying tuned for an official announcement.

      • Yeah probably Jodi! thats why Judge Dumb Bitch wouldn’t let anymore questions from the jury be read orwouldn’t let the media in the courtroom in the last phase. I think they are ALL about to hit the shits!!! And if I can get enough signatures on my petition I will be suing her too!! Its the least i can do to protect all of us from this same kind of treat meant!!

      • I certainly hope so! I hope they get the shit sued out of them and the whole station folds. Screw them and the horse they rode in on. Hell, I’ll even pitch in some money to help pay for the lawsuit. Pisses me off.

    • Well, HLN is still advertising live trial coverage for the Zimmerman trial beginning Jun 10 (no, I didn’t tune in and see a commercial – it’s on the net.)

    • If this is true I’m gonna jump out of my chair and do the win dance!

  177. I know this is irrational of me but I have developed a phobia to HLN since the verdict. I fear turning it by the channel that is now the Kill Jodi, 24/7 network. I am so vested in Jodi’s well-being that I take it personal so I can’t watch any of it. I stay behind on current events and have to keep up here. I hope to conquer this by the time the other jury is selected for the penalty phase. I have PTNGSD. I am almost sure if I ran into that botox-riddled shrieking hag on the street I would end up behind bars. So for the sake of my sanity I hope to never gaze into the horrific abyss, which is Nancy’s face, again.

    • I hear you, Gwen. The Kill Jodi Network (KJN-TV) now gives me palpitations and shivers, even if I happen to flip by it while searching for another station.

    • I think you were too late Gwen but you know what they say:better late than ever!
      I allowed myself to watch only 2 freaking interviews and felt like vomiting.I cant imagine what it must be like watching it for a long time.

    • OMG, Gwen – you are right on! I have zero respect for that channel. Or… maybe I should say that I have even LESS respect for it than I did prior to the circus that they are claiming was Jodi Arias’ trial. I already couldn’t look at Nancy Grace, but now —- she is like a monster to me. Not joking. That is scary stuff, guys.

    • Gwen,
      “if I ran into that botox-riddled shrieking hag on the street I would end up behind bars”
      I’ll pay your bail.

      • Thanks Ann. I go to Atl, GA quite often so it’s not out of the realm of possibility that I’d see her so I may hafta take you up on that.

        • I’m sorry, but I have to tell you. I don’t drink American beer. I’m Canadian and drink domestic/local brands, or better yet–and much more snootily–imports from Belgium. White beers flavoured with cherries or apricots are my favourites!

          • You might like some of our seasonal beers here from some of the brewers in the little towns. We have lots of these, and they are way by far better than the large well known brewers. In fact I think you would.

              • Alrighty. By the way my beautiful Pomeranian was born in Canada. He loves Jodi too. Good that people are supporting Jodi from everywhere. Will pay special attention to your posts in the future. Jodi loves animals. I wish we could take all of the animals that have been mentioned on this site to visit her.

  179. Oh my gosh guys! I’m so excited you know how Jodi always says she wishes she could see her websites? I took 5 pictures, that’s all she can have. One pic of her twitter page so she can see how many followers she has. I pick of Geebees site. One pic of Jodi Arias Art Auction site. Then I took two pics of this site. The home page so none of our names are on it and the picture of the art page. I’m going to send them but I don’t know if that mean Sheriff is going to let her have them but I’m really excited!

    • I also finally started getting some pictures developed from my camera LOL.

    • Danielle,

      How are you sending here these photos when she’s only allowed to receive postcards that are metered stamped? Yes, they will take the stamps off but they are put on hold for 90 days according to the jail…. and if her mail is to large it is returned. WTF………

      I love the pictures that you took for her, just don’t want you to waste your time if she cannot get them …

  180. Danielle, that is the sweetest idea! Thank you for doing this for Jodi. It will be a day brightener for her I’m sure. I’ve sent a few postcards. It’s good for her to know there are folks who care and will be there with her for the long term.

    • BTW,I shared that link on my FB wall yesterday and noone has clicked on the Like button yet.I guess people vomit even at the sight of Martinez’ name on a FB wall.

    • Finally, … a newspaper article worth reading in reference to Jodi Arias’s mishandled case.
      Thank God someone still has sense.
      Thanks Huffington Post !

    • Very excellent find. I for once, could not help to comment. If they accept my comment, please back me up everybody. Because there are already people putting down Jodi. I just gave a very brief overview that we have proof to misconduct. But didn’t use those words. Huffington Post is huge. We can’t just have haters on there. I see this as an opportunity. As long as we don’t fight and state simple fact. All we have to do is give them a case number. They can look up the proof.

      WE WILL BE VICTORIOUS

      • HP is the only place I was posting before I came here. Still post there some – there are a handful of non-haters there. Not all necessarily pro-Jodi, some are just pro-justice and know Jodi’s not getting any.
        But I’ll go lend my voice to yours. What name are you posting under?

        • Posting under Marianne. There is a last name also. I don’t see any other Mariannes. Thank you. Let me know if you find me.

              • Unfortunately (or maybe fortunately), this HP blogger’s article is not tied to the Jodi Arias section of HP. I say maybe fortunately because I didn’t see, right off hand, any of the usual group of haters on the Jodi pages.
                Looks like maybe the folks responding to this article might be people who follow this particular blogger.

                • Now some one posted putting this article on the top of our page. The Innocent Article describing the self defense.

                  I did see some nasty things said above. But this is a great opportunity.

                • Scroll down this page, Marianne – it is KMEA who posted the HP link again below that posted the Innocence argument link over there.

  182. I did a google search today, nothing related to this trial and saw a support site for Pickles!! I took a quick peak. I found it funny someone would develop a site to support her.

    • when people have to make a site to support a judge, that NO-one heard of before this trial…its not..good…for the judge.

      Someone should have let her stay a cucumber. where were her friends back in her youth?

  183. Im off for a few day, i’ll stop back in Sunday.

    Hope everyone has a great weekend.

    -Sir

  184. I won’t ever watch HLN or again. Not in my household, no sir. And that goes for any station, their parents and affiliated stations as far as I’m concerned. My family has better morals than these SOB’s.
    An innocent woman is possibly facing death row because of a bunch of MEDIA BULLSHIT.
    And it was going on before HLN started their HATE CAMPAIGN. They just became the main ‘torch bearers’. I’ve never seen a bigger bunch of low lifes work for one station. I hope they go down in flames. They are nothing more than a bunch of retard sellouts. They’ll sell their souls to the highest bidder. Pisses me off.

  185. The new wild card . . .. ta suffering . . the scuttle is “cruelty” . . I would like a witness who has been shot or stabbed testify . . I know 3 who have been and numerous times . . they all said .. wasn’t that bad actually .. more shock than pain and 2 didn’t know they were stabbed 5x each until they saw the blood.

      • That is unbelievable. That is in Maricopa County too. Where is the District Attorney and Little Man Juan and their death penalty?

      • cc53

        daaaamn . . lol and did you read about William Leonard Pickard listed in the comments? Geeze, too bad he is locked up .. I think he was onto something . . LSD to the LDS ?? lol j/k .. they’re already trippin

      • ”Moroyoqui, 38, pleaded no contest to a second-degree murder charge and was sentenced today to 14 years in prison. That means a guy who chopped off someone’s head for stealing a large load of a plant is scheduled to be singin’ “Freebird” at age 52.”

        Oh,good…more reasons to hate Shitzona.Are people there high all the time or sth???
        That creep gets 14 years and Jodi is fighting for her life?W….T….F….?

        • yes Maria .. things that make you say hmmm. and this about brewer “The man who kind of made Governor Jan Brewer’s comments about headless bodies in the desert a reality” . . After all we’ve watched and heard about what goes on in az, did she arrange a beheading so she would just not look bad? (sarcasm on my part) They must really be amused by things like this too. Mentally disturbed people,

          • Hummm….pleaded no contest…so it’s not the cutting of the drug dealer’s head that is an serious crime worthy seeking the DP?…..it’s the lies one tells when they are scared shitless and ashamed that bumps it up to DP. Good to know when visiting AZ.

  186. To Krista Walters:
    I will sign your petition. Just let me know where to sign. I think HLN and any other hate spewing station needs to be brought down. Just let me know where to sign.

  187. Anyone who has a law degree/knowledge know what it would take, and if it would even help for the defense to request a change of venue? What are the rules on where the trial could take place if it was granted? There are too many biased people in Arizona. No one can deny that fact. I don’t know for sure, but I think the state is ruled by people with fundamentalist religious views that totally override their ability to be objective and fair. I made some comments here awhile back about the LDS, and I really don’t want to make it seem like ALL mormons are in on this. One of the things I do admire about the mormon people is their ability to come together as a community and help each other out. However, with everything in this world, there are always those people that will make others’ within the group look terrible. I have been trying to educate myself on mainstream mormons, and fundamentalist mormons. Just as in any other religion, there are those groups that take things to the extreme and their beliefs override their sensibility. I think that there are also some groups where the line between the mainstream and extremist becomes a little blurred.
    Also, I’m curious if anyone knows anything about something called ‘The Task Force on Private Sector Initiatives?’ I’m not knowledgeable in politics, but I read that the current president of the LDS was appointed to this task force in 1981 by Ronald Reagan. I couldn’t find any info on what exactly this task force did. It was all very vague, and they only were in existence for a year. Does private sector mean for-profit businesses? Is this what PPL was, but more like a ponzi scheme under the guise of legit for-profit, I guess? I’m looking into this because I wonder if PPL has anything to do with what happened to TA. Afterall, there is a ton of connections to the “finger pointers” and this company, and they were all conveniently out of town when Travis’ body was discovered.

    • wow very interesting, i would sure like to know more about this. the whole cancun trip, ppl, and all involved seem rather suspicious to me too.

  188. I went and looked at the Piclkles Support Site. What a joke. It is really a support Travis, bash Jodi site. Also big pictures of Martinez, with one having him draped in an American flag, which is so inappropriate and troubling. There is also a link to give money to the Alexander family. I saw almost nothing about the Judge.

    • That is VERY troubling. Using a judge–a symbol of justice an impartiality–to stir up passions and open wallets. The flag is a nice, fascist touch.

      • Yes so inapprriate to have a web site featuring the Prosecutor and the Judge while begging for money for the Alexander family. Toothless Tanisha’s husband has a post on there too. Freedom of expression has gone too far.

      • Yeah mostly because it shows whos side she was on the whole time!! This should come in in appeal. Just like that nasty daughter of FLores music video showing pics of him and his family wearing TA pins. UGHHHH……

        • Pickles made sure we all knew whose side she was on early on.She’s a disgrace to all Judges.She should retire already,go somewhere far away &enjoy her pension instead of trying to help send people on the death row.Especially innocent ones!

        • Flores——What the hell was he doing there everyday sitting by Martinez. He is not an attorney. Can you just bring any one in off the street and have them sit with you. I think it was mostly to bully Jodi. What dectective is interested once they complete the investigation and testify? That was very odd. ectectives might be witnesses but they are not the Prosecution.

          • Rebecca,l asked the same question early on and was told he is part of the pros team. That’s why he was there every day. It seemed to me to be a waste of more tax dollars to have him sit in court every day vs out detecting. But I guess that’s how it works. 🙂

            • Rainy—–thanks that is so interesting and odd. I have never seen that before. Given the fact that the State of Arizona claims to have no money and furloughs state employees it is shameful.

    • Yes, I too visited this site and it is nothing more than a HLN promotion and bash Jodi site. I will probably be banned because I posted just that. Oh well!

    • I started calling her “Sweet Pickles”. 🙂 And for Martinez, he is “Don Juan Martinez” because that is how many of his supporters see him as.

  189. fantastic . . shows bias . . the idiot that made that site threw the judge and her bf draped in ole glory under the bus lol

  190. Maria, I’m so glad you got postcards to get to Jodi. Sorry I keep getting of and on the internet and forgetting to read up farther so I’m late about everything! 🙂

    • Hey ((((((((((Danielle))))))))
      I’m overjoyed and anxiously waiting for the day the postcards arrive!

      TR,once again you’re my hero!!!!!!

      • My pleasure Maria. I hope they arrive soon and that Jodi is getting her mail.

        SJ-

        Any way to find out if Jodi is getting the mail that is sent. I fear that since CHughes and the evil lot of them are sucking up to the Sheriff, they are making sure that Jodi’s rights are continuing to be denied. If you can find out, I would appreciate it.
        Thanks

  191. Well everyone I sent Jodi 4 post card yestersday!!!!! I hope she writes back!!! I love her and i cant wait till we all get to come together and have a massive party with her!! With BEER!!!!!

    • ((((((((((((((((Krista)))))))))))))

      So glad Jodi can see how much we love her.I hope she’s getting all these postcards to keep her smiling while poor thing is locked up 23 hours a day 🙁 🙁

      • (((((((((((MARIA)))))))))))) Me too! I told her i love her i know this was SD and that i want to send her a gift but she needs to tell me what she wants!! I hope its art supplies!! I would love for her to draw my portrait!!! I would be SOOOOO FLATTERED and to know her family would benefit…….PRICELESS!!! Just think if we could all send her pics to inspire her art!! Anything that would keep that beautiful mind of hers working!! I mean how will she be inspired if we don’t bring the INSPIRATION to her!! My post cards had humming birds and one had a mama and baby mountain lion on it and i told her that like these cats on this card I have your back!!!! I love her and i hope she writes back so we can write regularly !! We will see her out here with us before we know it and I can’t wait!!!

    • I actually have had a heck of a time with regards to the postcard. Sheriff Joe is a bigger pain in the ass than a hemorrhoid with all of his ridiculous rules. I contacted my local post office about a “metered postcard” and they were like “a metered what”? But apparently you can pick up blank postcards there with a postage stamp that should be able to get through to Jodi. It’s just been very frustrating.

    • It’d be nice if more people who write articles learned how to use spellcheck. I don’t know how many times I see the name “Jody Arias” on the Internet. Amazing that some people will take two seconds out of their life to Google all sorts of stuff yet won’t use that same amount of time to look up a word in the dictionary.

      • True, YOU always write very well, I think this your name used to start with another letter on here 🙂 ? 🙂 I think that we should all try to pollute the jury the right way with posts like yours and AA’s and several others, just copy them over and paste them everywhere you can, I am trying to. This is all so wrong to me and so frustrating. I wrote on HLN last night and I was saying that some of the people talking about their hatred towards Jodi say the scariest things and this one lady actually told me that she was one of them and she was wrong to talk like that, that everyone IS allowed to have their own opinion, or something like that, I was surprised but we can do it, one person at a time, we just cannot be abusive like they are, we will probably never be able to change their minds but we can sure try, my wonderful amazing father who just passed away last year was a school teacher and he taught me that you can get sooo much more with sugar than you can with vinegar and I think he was right, I was lucky to have an amazing father and I wish Jodi had been that lucky! I told HLN that they are the stalkers and they are obsessive, not Jodi and to move on because last night it was one more story about her and how Travis was the abusive one and I havent had a mean fb msg yet thank goodness

      • Yeah, it’s just the default way to spell Jody, so people don’t do their research. I have a friend whose name is spelled Jodie.

        • It annoys me when people spell Jodi’s name wrong. Well, I get annoyed when anyone’s name is spelled wrong. Especially my own. Most people spell my name as Brittany or Brittney. I hate that. It’s even worse when they actually see how my name is spelled but still spell it wrong.

  193. Hey everyone! You might have seen this video, but somebody sent it to me today and it is incredible. It is a 7-minute video where a domestic violence survivor talks to “Star Trek : The Next Generation” actor about how he helped save her life from abuse and gives her a hug at the end. Listen to her and his story when you get a chance. It’s very inspiring.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCTqxo72Xhc

  194. Hello every one what to do some thinkin well think on this the vacuum or floor cleaner in the living room how come it was never tested for blood or fingerprints and why was there blood in the downstairs bathroom ????????? 🙄

    • Those are good questions. I didn’t realize there was blood in the downstairs bathroom, too, and I would have thought it must have been tested. If so, perhaps the state’s explanation is that it was learned it was the blood of one of the roommates or their girlfriends’ who had injured themselves innocently enough in some small accident in the house. Or perhaps the police found out it was Travis or Jodi’s blood and the state theorized that Jodi washed her hands there when she came downstairs and finished cleaning and left after the “murder”.

      But regardless of how the police might have explained any blood downstairs, it still brings up other puzzling issues that remain. How on earth could the roommates’ not be concerned about the terrible smell of the decomposing body days after the murder, that along with other questionable things observed around the house, would have made one want to go and check out where the offensive smell was coming from?. Also, it still seems strange that Jodi would have spent time dragging Travis’ body back to the bathroom and taking time to clean, etc. rather than get out the house as fast as possible, being aware that someone could show up at any time. After all, the roommates, for one, had no schedule they followed with regard to coming home. Also, the dog might have been barking with all the noise and all and Jodi was aware that Mimi, or some other friend, could possibly show up at any time since people were known to drop in and visit at Travis’ house, and he was due to leave on his trip in a few days.

      It is too bad that the jurors weren’t able to visit the crime scene or have had visual aids to help them better see and comprehend the multitude of problems that arise with the state’s theories and raise reasonable doubt.

  195. 32 Reasons To Love Jodi Arias

    Since Jodi is 32, I came up with a list of 32 reasons to love Jodi Arias. Feel free to agree, disagree, comment, etc. 🙂

    1) Her tenderness. She has a huge heart.
    2) Her intelligence. She is so smart and knowledgeable about so many different things.
    3) Her voice. I love to listen to her talk because her voice is so soothing.
    4) Her laugh. I hate listening to the sex tape, but the only thing I could possibly find positive about it is that I like her laugh.
    5) Her smile. She hasn’t had a lot to smile about lately, but I love her smile-with or without showing teeth.
    6) She doesn’t take any crap from HLN or others. I love a woman like that.
    7) Her eyeglasses. The only thing negative about them I could ever say is that they cover her eyes. Which leads to #8.
    8) Her eyes. I love Jodi’s eyes. Maybe I’m crazy, but I can see so much love and pain in those eyes of hers.
    9) Her sense of humor. I got to see that on her blogs and even on some of her Twitter tweets.
    10) She rose from humble beginnings to become a self-made woman.
    11) Her bond with her sister. She’s very family-oriented and while her relationship with her Mom and Dad has been strained, I know that her and her sister love each other very much.
    12) She is beautiful as a blonde or brunette. Jodi could shave her head and be beautiful to me.
    13) She stood her ground against Don Juan Martinez.
    14) Her paintings.
    15) Her drawings.
    16) Her writings.
    17) How she wants to prepare herself for an interview. I know some people find it to be vain or “diva-like”, but I find it endearing for some reason. Personally, I already think she is beautiful anyway with or without makeup.
    18) She likes Napoleon Hill and often quotes from his books. Yes, Travis did, too, but Travis obviously didn’t apply a lot of Dr. Hill’s lessons to his life.
    19) She coined the phrase “Nancy Disgrace”. How can you not love her for that?
    20) Her singing voice. She has a beautiful singing voice and sounds like an angel.
    21) Her love of animals. Bonus points with me.
    22) Her love of children. I think that Jodi would be a wonderful mother someday.
    23) Her positive mental attitude. All women have PMS, but not all women have PMA. Jodi does.
    24) She didn’t back down from the jury to the point of even displaying her “Survivor” t-shirt in court. Chutzpah? Yes. But when I saw that I couldn’t help but smile.
    25) She didn’t take any crap from the TV reporters before the “hung jury” decision. Even the local news anchor she liked that turned on her, she didn’t back down from him either.
    26) Her sincerity. I know that Jodi will do whatever she says she’s going to do for domestic abuse victims. I would just rather her be outside of a jail or prison cell doing that.
    27) Her taste in movies.
    28) Her taste in music.
    29) Her interests as listed on her MySpace account. Any woman who lists “stargazing” as an interest you’ve got to love.
    30) Her facial expressions in the trial. I really pay a lot of attention to people’s body language and I remember watching Jodi a lot during the trial when someone else was speaking and trying to figure out what she was thinking. I just really like how she focuses on someone and then another person.
    31) Her romanticism. Some people talk about how sexual she is, but they fail to see that what Jodi wants more than anything is to love and to be loved. It’s not just a want, but a need for her. And, she has a very romantic soul.
    32) Last but not least, her generosity. She is very charitable with her money and her artwork which she does not have to do. And she never forgets those who treat her with kindness. I want to send her one of my poems that I wrote so that she reads it and it lifts her spirits. I don’t expect a response back from her, but if I do get one, I’ll be very grateful. It’s more important for me that she feels happy knowing that someone out there cares about her and helped make her smile that day.

  196. Just finished watching Dateline on the Michael Petersen murder case. He was the husband who was convicted of killing his wife by throwing her down a staircase and beating her to death. However, the judge has granted him a new trial based in part on the fact that there was perjured testimony by a prosecution witness. The woman on AZ death row just had her DP overturned due to perjured testimony of the lead detective. Anyone see a pattern? Does anyone know the history of Flores and any prior testimony he has given in previous cases? Does anyone know the history of ME Horn and any prior testimony he has given in previous cases? Both these prosecution witnesses perjured themselves on the stand in order to help JM gain a conviction. How do these people sleep at night !

    • I know nothing about any of Flores’ prior cases, but I have to say….

      The Flores who has been on and off and on and off the witness stand these last few months is a very different man from the one who appeared in the earlier film clips from 48 Hours. Back then he was quite animated and engaging compared to now, and I can’t help but wonder what has happened to him. It’s like the man has been lobotomized or something.

      • I think the behavior in court is the real Flores. the behavior when interviewing Jodi was comprised of various interview techniques that he has perfected over the years.

        • No, I am not talking about the interrogation tapes. I’m talking about the clips of him from the 48 Hours special. He was normal, pleasant, concerned, genuine – capable of intelligent conversation. The guy on the stand had a flat affect, began many of his answers with “I’m not sure” or “I don’t remember”, and acted like he wanted to do nothing more than say whatever the hell Martinez wanted him to say and then get the hell out of there.

          He was so *not*there* that it was kind of easy to miss, because much of the time he spent on the stand he wasn’t really testifying, he was just verifying and introducing various recordings or evidence. It wasn’t til I watched all of his testimony, back to back over the course of a weekend, that I realized how very STRANGE his behavior was.

          I’m tellin’ ya – he wasn’t just ashamed of what he was being required to do – I believe he was afraid of not doing it right.

          • Oh. Well u have that right. I am sure he was afraid. What a weasel. He even looked like a weasel in court. Doing what the Little man told him to do.

      • I think what is happening to him is that he is realizing that he is helping to convict Jodi with his lies. He knows he is lying just like Horne knows he is lying. He is sitting there staring into space trying to justify his lies in his own mind. Again how do they sleep at night. Answer: not very well. And as far as interview techniques, cops know they can sit there and look right into your eyes and lie to you to bait you to try to get you to confess to things. Jodi never should have talked to him without an attorney. But, I feel that the perjured testimony of Flores and Horne will eventually be the undoing of Jodi’s unjust conviction. Although I don’t hold any hope for the AZ supreme court at all – it will have to be the US supreme court. Everything in AZ is status quo – there is no justice in AZ at all. I know.

        • Rainy—–thanks that is so interesting and odd. I have never seen that before. Given the fact that the State of Arizona claims to have no money and furloughs state employees it is shameful.

        • Yes, it is so sad that she talked to him without an attorney present. That would have made a big difference. For many years I have thought that the Miranda Rights are not sufficient. Particularly in a situation like this. An attorney should have to be present before questioning can begin.

          • You are so right. The majority of people do NOT understand that anything they say can and will be used against them. Even people that are 100% innocent will have their words twisted and confused by cops who are only seeking and end goal of getting you to confess. Look what happened to Amanda Knox. Ask for an attorney – if you can not afford one, one will be appointed to you. Flores lied. Horne lied. The jury got it wrong. They too will not be sleeping well.

            • Yes,and I have seen this happen on two occasions to patients that I believed were innocent—the twisting of their words.

              • That’s been a huge lesson for me! Before this trial I could easily see myself prance into a room w law enforcement and sing like a canary if I was not guilty of a crime but was asked to come in for questioning if I was somehow involved.

                Of course if I was guilty I’d probably be passed out in a coma with fear and never be able to speak a word or already be in Mexico never to be heard from again? 🙂

                I feel had Jodi had an attorney present the outcome would have been vastly different for her.

                It may sound really stupid as yes, I’ve heard the part about “words can and will be used against you” but I never considered how corrupt law enforcement is. This has been a huge eye opener for me.

                I’d be in favor of creating “Jodi’s Law” ~ where an attorney MUST be present in all interrogatins involving possible murder charges.

                • Rainy——–that is the best idea I have heard in along time. I wonder how to go about working on that. Legislators are the ones. They may not buy into it for crimes across the board, but when one is either a person of interest or a suspect in a murder it just may be possible.

                • You NEVER, ever, ever, N E V E R want to talk to law enforcement by yourself without an attorney, if you don’t have one, one will be provided for you. It’s the Law and Mum’s the word. Everything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law.
                  I don’t believe they just brought Jody in for questioning, I think that had already happened earlier, they wanted to arrest her. Can’t STAND Flores’ tone of voice, makes me sick!
                  In case “Also Abused” is reading through here…… I really miss your insights, eloquence, professional knowledge and demeanor and the absence of derogatory language in your posts, you are greatly missed.

                  I for the most part don’t post very often, but sometimes feel compelled, read all the comments every day for a while now. Thanks for creating this site, SJ, you are all Angels and this has to turn around for Jodi, how anyone could ever think that TA was the victim???? Unfathomable! Good night, friends!

                • Been two local murders the past year in my town@ parties attended by gangster types.

                  None of the 50+ witnesses would cooperate with the cops. See, they have learned not to trust the cops. Everyone should always LAWYER UP.

                  I have family & friends who got college degrees in police science, became cops and the corruption was so bad they resigned.

        • The AZ Supreme Court DENIED to remove the death penalty from Jodi’s sentence. If this is indicative of what is to come. I fear our Jodi will never step foot out of that Prison again. It sickens me but. The lies and corruption began with Flores and ended with M1 conviction. This DP part is all just a formality. I fear what is coming. I do hope that the next set of jurors know, This will haunt you forever. You are not God. Don.t decide the fate of another. Peace JA supporters. It is Hail Mary and Miracle time. Justice for Jodi. It is time.

          • Wait until it gets out of the Arizona courts. I have no doubts that this case will have to be either overturned, or retried. Hopefully the former.

  198. If I had money, I would take this essay, correct the few spelling errors, and buying a full page ad in the Wall Street Journal, slap it up there for everyone to see.

  199. I guess the 4th time is a charm. Here goes:

    Hello everyone! I am Pandora. I posted a few times a couple of weeks ago.

    PROLOG:
    I live in Greece and only recently (about a month ago) did I learn about Jodi and her odyssey. I was reading about the Cleveland abduction on the CNN site and I saw articles about Jodi there. The more I read, the more I wanted to learn more. So I researched on the internet and after reading a lot and doing my homework I believed in Jodi’s innocence without hesitation. Something didn’t click to me reading all those posts about TA being a saint, etc. Never doubted her for a moment although most of the sites were against her and actually very very mean about her. So then I watched her trial on youtube and got to care for this sweet misunderstood girl named Jodi. It was devastating just watching her get bullied by that ass JM and of course let’s not forget about Stephans who made it a point not to give the defense team a chance to decently defend Jodi.

    I am writing all this because I want you to know that due to the fact that I ‘got in the game’ very later than all of you, I might make silly questions or write sth that has already been written before. Please bare with me.

    During these few weeks that I was not posting I have read a lot of your posts, learned tons of things that I didn’t know, I have signed the petition at change.org. and on Thursday I did the boo-boo of going to the HLN site to answer their question ‘What kind of person supports Jodi’. My Lord!!! I got bashed, told off, called names but I realized and loved that all of us that support Jodi stuck together and had one another’s back.

    I would just like to tell you guys that it is nice to be back, I am here for the longrun (if that’s ok by you guys) and I will not stop supporting Jodi til the day that I see her walking out of jail (and beyond that). I might not be the brains of the operation but I can be of any help and I will always have your backs whenever needed.

    Well, that’s about it! Pfew! I am so stressed out that I feel as if I am at a job interview!!!

    • Pandora, it’s nice to hear that you opened the box so to say….I almost wish I didn’t. I’ve been obsessed with this case ever since. I personally welcome you here and while I do not post as much as a lot of the people here, let me be the first to welcome you! Jodi will be free!

      • Thank you Jesse. Yes, I know the feeling about opening ‘the box’. I too have been spending hours and hours on the computer and supporting Jodi any which way I can.

        • You’re welcome. The more and more I look at this case the more frustrated I get. I have literally (and no don’t read that as lite rally…I love the Daily Show) gone about insane due to this. Nothing makes sense as far as I see it. How they get M1 let alone premeditated, I will never understand. As I look at the evidence I see complete innocence.

          While I understand why someone might not, I guess, the only thing that I think made those jurors buy the premeditation is her “apparent” craziness. Which I have never bought by the way. All hearsay, from people who coincidentally either heard said craziness from Travis, had a reason to be jealous of Jodi, or never met her in the first place.

          That 48 hours interview kills me in the fact that Samantha, who to my knowledge had never once met Jodi before that interview said that when she first heard of Travis’ death, the first person that came to her mind was Jodi….ummm huh? How is that when you have never met her you fake piece of trash?

          • Jesse, any which way you look at it, all you will see are many loops and holes in this case. As I have said before, this trial was a fiasco from day one.
            I have never seen this ‘craziness’ in Jodi. Even when she was getting bullied and put down by Kermit while being on the stand, I never once saw her ‘lose it’ or such. In the contrary, she is a very intellegant and very humble woman.
            As for the whole alexander clan..hmm… they played a great role in “blackening” (if that is even a word) Jodi. Their theatrics and dry crying and eye rolling and taking every chance they were given to badmouth Jodi hurt her in this trial. Unfortunately, people are drawn to drama and that whole clan is a drama disaster on their own.

    • Pandora, so great to have you aboard. Greetings from Canada. I am from PEI, Canada. Thanks for all the info, I feel as if I know you now. I think you will find the people here very welcoming and patient with your questions. They will either answer you right away or point you in the right direction.

      Hugs and welcome!

      • Hey BevM, thanks for the ‘welcome’ note. I was born in Montreal. My dad and bro live there. Haven’t been back since coming to Greece.

  200. Since the Speights report everyone seems to think that that is the way it happened. Just out of curiosity, can I ask everyone why the intruder story doesn’t work here? I’ve seen people say they didn’t buy the intruder story because of the knife groupings on the back. Well if you can buy Jodi doing it due to self defense, why then would the intruder story be any different. It would actually make more sense due to the fact that Jodi had no physical injuries on her, except for the hands, as per her “friends” that she saw the next day.

    I mean look at the last picture of Travis one more time. He looks scared. I don’t think it is because of Jodi. Not only does he look scared but it looks like he is tied up somehow….is that just me? The intruder story is the story that I will buy until the day I die or the real story of that day comes out. Look at Jodi during opening statements…does that look like someone that is totally comfortable with her defense? Maybe that’s why she was so hard to work with because she knew that’s not the way it happened? Just saying

    Jodi supporter all the way!

    • Hello Jesse,

      I also think the picture shows he is scared and maybe mad. Plus I don’t understand how the other pics where taked when she was over him or dragging him – they are not very clear. I wish Jodi could remember what happened after he was shot. I know she said she remembers the knife hitting the floor.

      While I was listening to the trial on youtube–somewhere in her testamony she was talking about stopping to get gas and I thought I heard her say (WE) stopped to get gas. I was wondering at the time why the defense and the prosecutor did not catch that. I am going back over youtube where I watched it from trying to find it. Just made me feel she was not alone.. maybe I miss understood.

      Marcia – NM

    • a cut to the hand just enough to mix blood with ta and make handprint on wall and i do buy the intruder story. the nude pics of jodi shown esp the one with her looking at camera seems a little off, imo, as if she is very uncomfortable but from what i gathered this wasnt her first nude pic so makes me wonder just who is taking that photo.

  201. The defense should have had a demonstration of how they think he received the cuts, it doesnt matter if she remembered or not, they should have gone through what they thought happened, what this guy writes makes complete sense, they really worked hard but left so many important pieces out

  202. Well, I just listened to the 911 call that was made when they found TA. Is it only me that noticed that these people (friends of TA) that are talking to the dispatcher sound really calm and easy to talk with? I mean they are making a hell of a conversation and right away framing Jodi.
    If I found my friend, ex or hell even my neighbour dead and blood all over I would be freaking out! I would be in such shock that I would be crying my eyes out and I am sure that I wouldn’t be in a status to think or make conversation with anyone.
    I found the call at this link
    http://wildabouttrial.com/videos/jodi-arias-911-call.html

    • humm nobody mentions the victims name but the 911 operator states “you’re a good friend of travis” so how did she know the name of the victim especially when they refer to “his roommate found him” so it could have been anyone in the house and first name reference seems kinda personal from the dispatcher

      operator ask when last time roommate saw travis Zach says last Thurs or Friday which would be June 5 the day after his supposed death June 6 two days after
      Mimi said Mon/Tues June 2 or 3

      • Yes EE, I caught onto the mentioning of the name from the dispatcher although they never previously called him by his name. I just wasn’t sure if what I heard was that. Thank you for pinpointing that.

    • They all ready knew and intentionally had Mimi make the call is my opinion. 4 roomates and none wanted to be on 911 call after supposedly not smelling a dead body in their midst for 5 HOT June days? They make a person who did not live there make the call to me is very suspicious at best. THEY ALLREADY KNEW.

        • How this never was brought out in this case as reasonable doubt about a coverup , tampering with incriminating evidence at the home and computers and just the fact that the crime scene could have easily been compromised in 5 days was enough to throw a major reasonable doubt on sequence of events and who had what what role in this whole matter. Then lets add the Stepford Mormons all on HLN repeating the same ting word for word over and over—I believe there was a cover up and damge control before Flores every brought his also Mormon ass to the scene.

          • It might have been brought out if Jodi had stayed with her original intruder story. But once they switched to the self defense scenario, none of this really mattered.

            • @kalista agreed my dear why it was changed to self defense i dont understand it fits a heck of alot better with the intruder story. When i read the posting above on how things most likely went down that night it made more sense to me than any scenario ive heard as of yet but imo it was someone who was experienced in the type of fighting mentioned.

              http://www.blogtalkradio.com/websleuths/2013/05/20/tricias-true-crime-radio-sunday-night-8-pm-eastern
              If you have not listened to this please do at 74:30 she takes a call in and this lady wants to know skys thoughts on if she thinks jodi was going to set her and ch up as the ninjas because travis had molested one of their children. imo, i dont feel that she actually answered her question and she never addressed the molestation part of the question which i find very interesting. I havent heard anyone address the pedo part not even samantha or stephen during their impact statements, which i found was more about their sufferings.
              Sky also says that they were in Cancun and Jodi knew they were, why would she think this and how would she know, and that they left on June 6

  205. I just want to let the members of this site and to Jodi Arias herself know how badly I feel for taking to the travis side of things before i knew all the facts. I would hear Dr Drew, Nancy Grace do what they do best judge ppl. I am so sorry I watched bits and pieces of the trial on youtube I had no idea what a pig of a man Travis was Jodi loved him & he made fun of her for it he trampled on her feelings he had the name TDogg for a reason because he was A DOG. Jodi was used by this man & that can cause someone to do things they would never ever do. Now the so called justice system wants the dp all that is gonna do is cause more pain they call that justice ha! I call it murder and that is wrong.Jodi made a mistake she let fear get the best of her & we all know when we are scared we can do some crazy things when we are scared & If all it takes is another voice or whatever I will do my best to help Jodi really is getting the shitty end of the stick here people she needs people to believe in her it seems to be not justice system but people like team Jodi people like me who knows what domestic violence weather physical mental or verbal it’s all the same Please don’t let the so called justice system take away somebody who could make a difference (Jodi) I believe she can help. It sickens me that the Alexander fAmily wants to put a judgement on Jodi they want BLOOD MONEY that is wrong what do they think BLOOD MONEY can do? bring back Travis that is repulsing to me to think so called ‘GOD FEARING’ ppl as they call them selfs to want their cake & eat it to. If there is anything I can do to help please let me know I left my e-mail address above I don’t think Jodi needs the DP. Again I would like to apoligize to all of you & Jodi for listening to the afwul things the media & the Alexander family were saying I truely feel bad but I have had a HUGE CHANGE OF HEART. Thank you for letting me rant and hopefully i can be apart of team Jodi
    I look foward to helping anyway i can

    • P.S I’D LIKE TO PURCHACE 1 OF HER SHIRTS SURVIVOR T SHIRTS DO THEY COME IN TANK TOPS? I WAS JUST WONDERING HERE IS MY E-MAIL ADDRESS xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
      I’M NOT SURE IF YOU ALL NEED IT OR NOT BUT JUST INCASE YOU DO HERE IT IS AND I FORGOT TO INTERDUCE MYSELF IM ANGIE AND I AM HERE TO HELP JODI & ANYONE WHO HAS BEEN ABUSED I’M GLAD I WAS ABLE TO FIND THIS SITE IT SEEMS SO MUCH BETTER THAN SEEING A BUNCH OF PPL TALKING ABOUT HATE NIGHT & DAY 🙂

  206. The main point with Richard Speights theory is that you do not have to buy into it 100%. All you need do is say, “This is a possible scenario that gives me enough reasonable doubt; therefore if I were on a jury, according to our legal system, I must vote for acquittal.”

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