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Happy New Year peeps! Let’s hope that in 2015 we can carry on building positive momentum – and finally get Justice for Jodi.
The AZ State Circus returns to town this coming Monday. Jan 5th 2015 @ 9-30 am MST.
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WE ARE TEAM JODI – AND WE WILL BE VICTORIOUS in our quest for JUSTICE FOR JODI.
Never question it.
Never doubt it.
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SJ
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WE ARE TEAM JODI – AND WE WILL BE VICTORIOUS in our quest for JUSTICE FOR JODI.
Never question it.
Never doubt it.
HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!
SJ
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Hopefully this year we will have justice for our Jodi!! Happy 2015 everyone!!!
(((Team Jodi))) <333 xoxo
Happy new year! 🙂
Maureen
YES SJ!!!!! ♥ Happy New Year Everyone!!!! 2015 = Freedom for JODI!!!!!!! ♥
Happy New Year! I wish and hope and pray the best for Jodi, in this new year!
Happy New Year, all. Hope 2015 is great for Jodi and for all of us. May this be the year this entire circus finishes!
SHAKE IT OFF, JODI !!! Your year of Freedom 🙂 🙂
I think that Rasna’s awesome wishes should be posted here. I’m going to take the liberty to re-post her comment from the previous page:
RASNA ADMIN says:
January 1, 2015 at 12:57 am
HAPPY NEW YEARS!
Happiness comes to those who know how to dispel the gloominess and go beyond the trivialities of life. Rise above all them petty issues and see the joys that surround you. Forget all grudges (because they have a way of eating you up alive), accept every mistake, forget all sorrows and spread The Love for god’s sake – it’s 100% free! May you continuously stand up for your rights in 2015 and also those of fellow human beings and may nothing stop you from championing a true cause – especially one that you hold close to your heart. And lastly, EMBRACE SIMPLICITY and SINCERITY (very important), and by doing so, you will most certainly have a wonderful New Year. ONLY THE BEST to you and your loved ones… Big HUG to you all!!
((((Jodi))))
((((TEAM JODI))))
2014 has been an emotional and an adventurous year: supporting our girl Jodi, surrounded by awesome friends, spending time with family and establishing new friendships.
To my 2nd family here at JAII, thank you for being around, backing up Jodi, backing up one another. Standing your ground to the haters that have been trying to ‘break’ us with their hate, bullying, threats! Not being afraid to voice your support. When a lot of people turned their backs on SJ, you stood by this site supporting it’s cause and our friend SJ. You all ROCK!
2015 has arrived….I am looking forward to new adventures, hopefully seeing the justice (freedom) that Jodi so much deserves. Seeing the prosecutorial corruption stopped and the ‘dirty’ members of this corruption being punished.
May 2015 bring heath, wealth and happiness to everyone. May 2015 FREE JODI.
((((Jodi Arias)))) ♥
((((SJ)))) ♥ Σε λατρεύω!
(((Admins)))♥
(((JAIIers)))) ♥
(((TEAM JODI))) ♥
(((Arias Family)))♥
(((One for all and all for one)))♥
Update on the bookmarks that were for sale at Jodi’s Art Site:
Each bookmark was a unique original one, thus one piece only. They all were sold within the first 24 hours from the moment they were put up!
Hopefully, soon enough we’ll see new ones for sale.
((((Jodi’s Awesome Art)))) ♥ ♥ ♥
YAY!!!! 🙂 🙂
Please! Take some time to re-read the report of the ME as he describes the condition of the TA’s body as he does his autopsy report.
The reason for scrutinizing the Autopsy Report is because it is probably the most critical evidence (and the most helpful evidence to help Jodi Arias) in The State of Arizona vs. Jodi Ann Arias.
Determining the time of death lies with the ME and he never stated in his report how long TA had been dead before the body was found explicitly.
The ME knows full well that TA died on a different day than Wednesday, June 4, 2008. But, as he is required to, he does go through the condition of TA’s body organ by organ!
From what I have learned about human decomposition, the ME describes the condition as being livor mortes, which take place in 1-2 days after death.
Also, Detective Flores noted in his report that the body seemed to him to be deceased for 1-2 days.
Research the steps involved in decomposition of a human body.
You will find, as I did, that had TA really died on June 4, 2008, no one would have been able to recognize him. A dead body deteriorates or decomposes in consecutive steps to skeleton.
People have wondered how the roommates didn’t smell the odor of decomposition earlier than they stated they were aware of the awful smell.
They didn’t smell it earlier because the dead body wasn’t there before 1-2 days.
Consider this seriously, because if TA died on any other day besides Wednesday, June 4, 2008 then Jodi Ann Arias did not commit the crime of murder – in any degree!
Jodi Arias should have been eliminated as a suspect immediately and should never have been charged at all.
This by far is the most outrageous example of prosecutorial misconduct and should be considered grounds for Juan Martinez to be disbarred.
Carol H, I have gone over this a few times now. I AGREE with you. His body did not look like a body that was dead for 5 day’s. I’m not sure why the DT didn’t jump on this from the start.
Cindy, I know others have been concerned about the problem with time of death. It is so obvious to those who are not intimately involved with the trial to sometimes see things that lawyers do not.
I believe that the emphasis placed on domestic violence has been vital to Jodi’s defense and has kept her un-sentenced, and I thank God for that!
Probably because my husband was a medicinal chemist doing research in toxicology, physical evidence is paramount in my reasoning and thinking. In this case, the prosecutor had a naive, sweet young woman who said she had a gun in her hand that went off accidentally.
The news about the Mormon connected murder was sensational in Mesa when it first became public, and JM probably thought this was a slam-dunk. He just ran with the ball. I don’t think there was any serious investigation at all. They thought they had their killer! Jodi didn’t realize at the time what was happening to her during questioning.
Carol, I think you are right. She didn’t know what what was happening. The whole problem is this is a self defense case. I believe that Travis did mentally and physically abused Jodi but I don’t believe she killed Travis. They have or have conjured up evidence that Jodi was there on 6/4. I think she was there on that date. Now they had to make the evidence look as though Jodi did it. This is one of the biggest cover ups but who is behind it????
Cindy!
It absolutely is the responsibility of the prosecutor.
He sets up the case for court. The Medical Examiner and Lead Detective have to acquiesce and testify in court, but they do not have to offer any opinions unless pressed by the defense. So those guys played dumb. Does that make sense?
It doesn’t matter what defense has had Jodi plead.
If a prosecutor manipulates evidence, withholds evidence from the court thus deceiving the court, and coerces a defendant to plead self-defense just to save her life, and all this can be shown to the court through motions and testimony, the judge is in a position to dismiss the case.
In addition, the prosecutor cannot advise the medical examiner to avoid noting the time of death – that too is deceiving the court.
The more the evidence shows that the prosecutor’s office has done the wrong thing and deceived the court, the better. And, do you want to bet – there is much more he’s done? He is not a good prosecutor.
He is a scrum bag…..
When do you think TA was killed? Do you think it was the blood atonement ritual?
Of course, I have no independent knowledge of the date of his death.
I do know from looking at pictures of TA’s deceased body, reading and studying decomposed bodies at various stages, and what a deceased body would look like after 5 days, I have concluded that TA was no where near a 5 day state of decomposition.
Remember, if TA died on Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday or Monday Jodi Arias did not kill him. SHE WASN’T THERE!
It is the police detectives and the prosecutors responsibility to find who did kill him and punish accordingly.
Proving anything other than Jodi Arias DID NOT kill is irrelevant.
So, do you think he was killed less than 5 days beforehand? I haven’t the stomach to re-visit autopsy pics.
Lynn, you don’t need to look – I really understand completely. It took me ages to do it. I read the ME autopsy first: it said what the ME saw as he did the autopsy. Then I read what happens to human bodies as they decompose. Then I took a deep breath and looked at the pictures.
The description as the ME did the autopsy, was like 2 days deceased. Travis is recognizable. The one thing that clarified it for me was that at 5 days the body is Unrecognizable.
(What we see on TV shows are not accurate due to offending the audiences sensibilities).
Wow, Carol. I didn’t realise the human body would be unrecognisable at such a time.
None of this makes any sense to me….
Sure it does, Cindy:
So many people believe that once Jodi changed her story from 2 people (she never used Ninja) came in to self-defense she was locked in. Not so, according to an attorney friend, especially since she was literally forced into self-defense because she was facing First Degree Felony Murder – death penalty.
To me it is a different case if Jodi is Innocent. I am as much in favor of Justice in any case, no matter who did it.
It does make sense that the body was only 1-2 days dead instead of the 5 days they now claim. However, if you look at Jodi’s initial stories to police it progressed from she wasn’t there to two ninjas did it, to she killed him in self defense. I don’t understand how Jodi who is extremely intelligent would agree to anything had she not killed him. Now I understand that she has no memory beyond the gunshot to his head at the beginning after he attacked her in the bathroom, but why even agree to that if she wasn’t even there? It doesn’t make any sense to me. There are the photos as well that show some of the incident as it is happening – the photo of her “dragging” TA – which by the way I believe 100% he was still alive when that photo was taken due to him holding his own head up which would have been impossible had the shot come last after his throat was cut. Although the photo only shows supposedly her pantleg and foot it could be someone else’s pant leg and foot?? Help me with this one…..
a) Jodi NEVER said “ninjas”. She said a man and a woman wearing ski masks.
b) With a big hole in her own memory, and the (perhaps largely fabricated and definitely exaggerated – i.e. there was never any bloody hand print) evidence against her – If you’re her lawyer what case do you want to present? My client wasn’t there, someone else did it? or My client was there, she knows he abused her and remembers he attacked her that day, she doesn’t remember killing him but agrees – in the face of the evidence – that she must have done so? Which case has the best chance of saving your client’s life?
c) the ‘time stamped photos’ are just so much BS. Even Melendez, who demonstrated that he was perfectly willing to lie under oath, couldn’t testify to where those damned time stamps came from. And since he testified to photos found on a card IN THE CAMERA, and the only card in evidence was said by Connor to be IN THE WASHING MACHINE and WOULD NOT HAVE FIT into Travis’ camera, we don’t even know for sure where the photos came from, let alone where the time stamps came from.
Right!
You really hit the nail’s head squarely. It is horrible to realize how badly Jodi was treated from day one.
We have today what we have. Her attorneys can totally exonerate her and it seems to me they are on track to do just that!
Nurmi never tried a murder case before Jodi. Now he advertises that he represents clients in murder cases.
We all learn and grow, learn and grow!
Let’s find out more about those non fitting SIM cards!
I agree with everything you stated. However, the photo that seems to point to Jodi being there during some kind of violent incident is the photo of Jodi (or at least they claim it is Jodi) “dragging” TA after he is injured with blood dripping down his neck, etc… When else would that photo have been taken if not on the day he was killed? Agree that most all of the evidence in this case has been tampered with by the state in some fashion….but what about that photo showing an injured TA and supposedly Jodi behind him dragging him….that is what brings me back to the fact that she must have been there at least during an initial part of his injuries….
BB:
I think of it this way –
How on earth could anyone say a partial picture of a partial pant leg belonged to any specific person? That is an example of just another ‘stretch your mind’ idea of the prosecutor
That picture and the other ‘dark’ pictures could have been taken at any point on any day by anybody and then described as being a picture of a certain person on a certain day.
Those dark pictures, I believe (and please correct me if I am wrong), are from the SIM card that didn’t fit TA’s camera.
I agree. The photo of someone dragging TA’s body shows NO face. It could be anyone. The pants prove nothing.
BB:
You got me thinking about how well JM has conditioned all of us to believe any ‘Junk’ he puts out there.
I have a new rule:
First note who said something.
Second note if it is the prosecutor in this case dump it in the TRASH!
The pictures you refer to:
It could be a pictures of the police removing the body from the home. The police photograph everything as they go along.
Someone noticed a broken tile where police removed flooring for evidence. Because of the injuries to TA’s neck they probably had to be very careful moving him out of the shower area to get him into the blue morgue bag.
But if it was the police removing the body then how is TA holding up his own head?
Carol, don’t get me wrong. I agree that most all of the evidence in this case has been tampered with and or/destroyed, etc. But I have a hard time with that one photo….
BB
How can we tell TA is holding his own head up?
Could be that someone is out of the picture area, propping the head so it doesn’t fall off and have a greater injury.
If we can not be SURE who is in the pant leg, how can we be SURE about much of anything else. Pictures speak a 1000 words it is said. We could each have a different story for the picture.
So we have to stick to factual evidence, not suppositions.
as you say “supposedly Jodi”
no proof that it’s her at all – only thing that suggests it might be is the damn time stamps and Jodi’s admission that she was taking the shower photos – but again, the time stamps have no confirmed point of origin and even if they CAN be matched to EXIF data, EXIF data is easily manipulated AND where the hell did any of the photos actually come from? The card in evidence, that Connor said came from the washing machine but wouldn’t have fit into the camera Jodi said she was using to take the shower photos? Or the card Melendez said was IN the camera but which he couldn’t access while it was in the camera – couldn’t even read it when he removed it from the camera and tried to read it thru a write blocker, had to plug it directly into a card reader?
And what about those nude photos from earlier in the day? Did you watch the interrogation tapes? Did you see and hear Jodi’s confusion when Flores said there was a picture of her in pigtails? Did you hear her describe to Flores the different sizes of cards her own cameras use – cards which Travis might have had at his house?
The pictures are worthless, the time stamps mean nothing. That picture of *someone* dragging Travis could have been taken hours or days after Jodi left that house, then put together in a tidy little montage that would point the finger of guilt at Jodi.
I replied – it went running off to R. Love’s barn. Check in later or tomorrow to see if it turns up.
Thanks for clarifying Journee. What is the old saying, Believe half of what you see and nothing of what you hear. LOL There are many unanswered questions we all have had from day one and we all still wishing they could be answered. Thanks to a devious Frog we will probably never know. I put no faith in those pictures (time stamps may be easily altered), and I would never believe anything that came from the Frog’s lying Mouth. Also, I would never believe anything out of the roommates mouths, the Hughes’ mouths, the defective detective’s mouth, or his slimmy wife’s mouth, the ME mouth or last but not least Tot Doc’s mouth. 🙄
To me, it cannot be argued that she wasn’t there and that she didn’t cause Alexander’s death. When she took the stand, she was under obligation to tell the truth and I believe she did. Those statements are documented and on official court record. They will be used against her in the prosecution’s response on any appeal as part of that record or will be brought in as previous testimony if a new trial is granted.
These are self-implicating statements. She gave point blank answers admitting to Nurmi on Direct that she was there and further that she killed him. She also volunteered further a admission against her interest on Cross by El Guapo.
If you read the transcript of his cross that I had posted, you will see that he says essentially “and you can’t remember anything after the gunshot correct?” She says “no, I remember some things.” And then she proceeds to tell him that she remembers she had the knife in her hand, remembers it hitting the tile and remembers screaming. Those statements were voluntary and to discount that testimony automatically makes those statements lies by her under oath. I don’t think anyone who has her best interest in mind, would now want to defend that she lied when she had a mandatory obligation to tell the truth.
But it is not that she killed him, it is WHY. It is the justification as to why, and the huge blunders that were made in focusing on the wrong elements in her defense. The crime scene had vast confirmation of her account but it was barely examined. In fact it was abysmal. The right experts could have laid out a mosaic defining the prosecution’s absurd claims NEVER reached the standard a prosecution has to prove that this was a premeditated killing or that Alexander did not instigate and cause the events of that day.
You do not even have to be in fear of your life to use deadly force. You only have to be in fear of great bodily injury! In fact it doesn’t even have to be YOU that is the one being attacked. Lethal force is legal even if you see SOMEONE ELSE in danger of great bodily injury or death. She had just been assaulted and thrown to the floor in a violent felony battery.
It was the prosecution’s burden to prove that she wasn’t in great fear. The defendant never has an obligation to assert a definitive offense. They only have to poke enough holes in the prosecution’s theory to show that the prosecution’s assertion of facts is wrong! Or that there are equally plausible ALTERNATIVES. It got completely turned around ass backwards. It was as if she had the burden instead. It was extraordinarily weak cross examinations of witnesses that skilled defense lawyers would have shredded every iota of their credibility.
The myriad of things that stand logic on its head was never shown to be delusional as a top forensic pathologist would have. Literally ridiculing Horn’s incompetence and ripping apart his report. Or a skilled forensic scientist with expertise in blood spatter analysis and crime scene investigation. Just the blood spatter on the sink alone showed a gold mine of corroboration had it been testified to by the right expert.
The one thing that even top quality defense representation would have had as the biggest obstacle is the throat. It doesn’t make sense and some bizarre things had to have happened for that to occur. None of it makes sense. Why would she feel the need to drag him back to the shower? It couldn’t have been because she wanted to have his body out of sight. If she wanted that, why would she then leave the shower door open? The footprint with no explanation and why only one?
I know the roommates know a lot more than they’re telling. Their own actions belie it and stories and times and dates don’t add up at all. But anyone entering that home, would have to come through the front door or the garage and would have to be let in by them. There is no evidence to my knowledge of a break-in. So anything that could have transpired that Jodi was not involved in that took place after June 4th or during the five days, the roommates would have to be directly involved. This gets really complicated and would have to almost take on a conspiracy belief. There has to be some rational support because otherwise without their assistance, no one could get into the home.
This is why I just have no theory of what happened after the gunshot. It becomes totally bizarre but we have to think logically the “likelihood” is that she did it. But did she know it and what caused that to be necessary? And again, it is the prosecution that has the burden to show she had INTENT. If she goes into Sybil mode, she is not in control of her actions.
I can’t even tell you how different things would be had she had a top skilled defense team. There is not a doubt in my mind that she wouldn’t have been convicted of anything more than manslaughter with a minimal sentence, if not acquitted. Or released with time served.
As one of her most ardent supporters, if you are going to take her at her word when she put her hand on the bible, you have to be willing to accept the facts as she stated them. And as she said they were in her 18 days of what she knows and can remember. But justifiable homicide is not against the law and everyone has the right to exercise it. The whole story of what happened and what the crime scene was begging to show was a missed platinum opportunity.
However fortunately now, the diabolical sewer level these sleaze will resort to is doing the boomerang on them. And one way or another, I think Jodi is looking at a new trial at the very least. If there is one, I am confident those mistakes will not be made again.
And in the words of Lucy’s hubby …..right now those sleaze at the MCAO “got a lot of splainin’ to do” to prevent a vacated verdict or an order for that retrial.
Happy New Year Jodi and all. Things are looking good !
Hi Jade. Here is the problem with your analysis. The search here is for justice. And the first step is for the state to properly charge and prove up its case. The entire state case MUST (in all caps) be proven during the state case. That means that motive, means and opportunity must be established by the state before the defense even starts their case.
When the prosecutor manipulates facts and evidence in order to set up its case in chief then the case necessarily fails at that point. Meaning, we cannot trust or rely on anything that the defendant says. Lie? Hardly. Jodi knew she was in Yreka during the time frame that the investigator and ME put the date of the murder. I cannot imagine what it must feel like to be accused of a murder that according to the evidence occurred on a date(s) where she was not even at the scene.
I have been insulted, harassed, had my personal safety threatened on social media – and I am only wondering about some basic issues of justice. I would imagine that a young defendant might feel tremendous stress to the point of being driven near insane from the pressure of having her personal liberty or life taken from her.
You offer a well thought out argument for why Jodi is ultimately screwed. She did it to herself by saying she shot him. She never said she did anything with a knife!
I respectfully disagree.
When the prosecutor has his witnesses (in this case the homicide detective and the ME) lie as to which came first knife or gun by changing their testimony, when you have a prosecutor lie to the defense about pornography on the computer, when you have a prosecutor misplace, lose, or destroy SIM cards that he has already offered as his evidence, when you have a prosecutor insinuate a stolen gun into his closing as if it had been proved, when your ME avoids mentioning the time of death in his report knowing full well that the deceased died within one to two days before being discovered, when you have a prosecutor continually call the defendant a liar when in fact he himself has lied, then the prosecutor has poisoned the fruit on the tree.
Since the evidence was tampered with first in 2008, anything after that is thrown out because it IS the proverbial fruit of the poison tree! It is not reliable or usable evidence or testimony because it is a consequence of misconduct.
False and misleading confessions happen all the time out of intimidation and fear.
Our Justice system may have problems but it has not gone so far astray as to deny a defendant the opportunity to change their plea, especially in light of what is mentioned above and with an explanation from her attorney, and agreed to by the court.
Travis did not die on June 4th because the decomposition of his body did not reflect that he had been dead for 5 days. That is the physical evidence written up by the medical examiner after an experienced scientific analysis.
Besides all of what went on during the trial is false if Travis died 3 – 4 days later than June 4, 2008. Travis’ wounds were done by someone else earlier than that date, and not done by Jodi Arias. Jodi Arias cannot be held accountable for anything that happened 3 – 4 days after she left on the 4th of June because SHE WASN’T THERE.
It seems to me that JM only chose June 4, 2008 as the date of the murder for the sole reason that he could place Jodi at the scene on that date. Then JM manipulated the evidence and witness testimony to support the conclusion that he wanted. That is indefensible.
Well believe me, I don’t want to give any insinuation in the slightest that I don’t believe Jodi. I am 100% convinced she had to defend herself. I have also have nothing but revulsion and contempt for Martinez and the railroad job they plotted to send her to death row. I don’t have words strong enough to express it.
But false confessions or forced confessions are by their very nature prior to a trial and prior to testifying under oath. When someone gives a false confession, it is determined at their trial that for some reason they confessed to something they didn’t do for some bizarre reason. And in such a case, a jury may find that to be believable and find them not guilty.
However absent independent proof of someone else committing any crime to which someone falsely ACCUSES THEMSELVES of being responsible for (such as DNA proving it was someone else that was responsible), that trial testimony will follow them and will be considered valid. To think it wouldn’t, automatically implies that they gave perjured testimony under oath. Testimony at trial is the last step of your right to be presumed innocent. A trial is in full view of the public and your testimony is voluntary and uncoerced–the alternate is taking the Fifth.
I gave extensive background support that Jodi could not have done all she would have had to do, and was accused of doing between the time of the photos that El Guapo used as “dragging” photos. They were proof of just the opposite of what he claimed and, again, the expert that could have explained that was never obtained by the defense.
She even admitted in her cross examination transcript that the foot in the photo was hers and that she was wearing the black socks in the photo. She’s stuck with that.
But what she did NOT admit to was that the photo was of her dragging him. And I have already thoroughly debunked the first of the two photos and will shortly be posting proof that the second one does not show her dragging him either. That is important and both of those photos should have had an expert showing how preposterous it was to suggest that Travis was dead in those photos.
It is my opinion that since she pleaded justifiable homicide by reason of self defense, that she wouldn’t fall under double jeopardy rules if the verdict was vacated because she was not found “innocent” (not guilty, to be correct) by a trier of fact.
Lastly it is an inescapable conclusion that Enrique and Zack would have had to be collaborators either that afternoon or any time after if someone else was on that crime scene. There would be no access to the house otherwise. You would have to go way out on a limb to find any plausible scenario without them. Yet, it strains credulity to the breaking point to believe the crock Martinez fed to the jury. It’s almost beyond possible.
Travis went ballistic and it was imminent choice between what she had to do or be killed herself. The tampering of evidence and egregious withholding of evidence should, and hopefully will, entitle her to a new trial. It would be up to the slugs at MCAO to decide whether or not to file for retrial or accept the shame and drop the charges.
Hopefully the present parties will also be defendants at their own trial.
Jade, you keep saying that no one could enter the home but the two room mates. Travis never locked his doors as was testify to. They were locked and the dog gate was put up after the fact.
I’m going to go along with Jodi had the gun and maybe it did go off. The knife is somewhat confusing. If Jodi did have the Steak knife in her hands there would have been DNA on it. Jodi did testified that they had the knife to cut the rope that Travis tied her up with. I’m not buying that a steak knife was used to kill Travis.
Jade ;
We really cannot get into Jodi’s head and thoughts post arrest. Instead, we can look at what Jodi (and others) testified to and we can look at Juan’s argument (which absolutely is not evidence).
When we evaluate the actual tangible evidence to determine whether the words and memories (whether false, coerced, confused, or contrived) are consistent with the physical evidence. we CONSISTENTLY hit road blocks.
Jade, without using Jodi as the sole basis for establishing date of death and with focus ONLY on the prosecution’s case in chief — how do you reconcile the actual scientific evidence that the body was dead only 1-2 days with Juan’s argument that the body was dead 5 days?
And of course I open this question up to all of you. We are like a virtual jury that is deliberating the evidence.
Carol,
Horn is a creep and is into this case-fixing up to his ears. The defense should have had their own top forensic pathologist and his testimony would have been ripped apart like cotton candy.
The one thing that could have possibly allowed for less decomposition and skin slippage etc is that it was in the hottest part of the summer and the air conditioning if it was set to a cold temperature would have preserved the body somewhat. But that would have also insured that the smell would have been pulled into the return vent and distributed throughout the house. So it’s a catch 22. either way.
Bugs and maggots and larvae are impervious to those conditions as well because they proliferate from the blood and dead flesh and the gaseous fluids very quickly. Often within a matter of hours and there was no mention whatsoever of that in his report.
Horn should have been crucified on the stand. Yet no medical examiner expert whatsoever for the defense. It is almost impossible to explain why.
We also had no testimony from those roommates under penalty of perjury. I think that would have revealed more than we know now too.
I’ve never understood why the DF team never got another opinion from another ME. It just would have made sense. I’ve tried to come up with different things that could have happened to preserve the body but none really can explain the lack of bugs or the way the body appeared to only have been dead 1 to 2 days. If someone heaped bags of ice on his body( it would have melted in the time period probably faster though) and went down the drain, that would have left some damage to the skin, wouldn’t it? Maybe he was placed in a refrigerator/freezer to keep him but then who would have done that? That would mean they would have had to remove his body and then return it. Of course, maybe he walked out of the house by himself but was returned dead. This always makes me go to the blood atonement ritual which very well could have happened to save his very lost soul! Although, it would be a wasted effort in any case (but people do believe in it). What, Who and Why??? There were many people who knew the true Travis Alexander and were not happy with him. Priests, Bishops, Business partners, Husbands, Fathers, Brothers, Sisters and many girlfriend/exgirlfriends. He was not the respectable prosperous business man everyone was led to believe. What a joke.
The roommates should have been put on the witness stand. There had to be a whirlwind of things happening in that house during those questionable days. And no one saw or smelled anything??? Nahhhhhhh, just can’t be.
Why were the neighbors never interviewed. I would bet someone in that subdivision had to have noticed people/vehicles in and out of that house. They didn’t want to know anything about who was in that house because it was too easy to set Jodi up.
Omg, yes! One of the things that never ever sat right with me was the total absence of maggots. I’ve read dozens of articles, watched videos etc to educate myself on the different stages of decomposition. There are some who claim that decomposition can be halted and maggots may not appear if the body is ”preserved”. And of course TA supporters claim that this is the case here since the air-conditioning was on. Which leads us to the obvious question: the stench circulating through the entire house. Even if the roomates were busy people, coming and going it would STILL be impossible not to smell it of feel nauseous. *Esepcially* when one comes back from outside, where the air is cleaner. Haven’t we all experienced that? Walking into a house and thinking it smells bad, whether because the owners don’t open their windows often, or due to poor ventilation? Now imagine stepping inside a house with a decomposing body and the air-condition vents recyclying that air?
Decomposition of a corpse is a continual process that can take from weeks to years, depending on the environment. The state of decomp that TA’s body was in was the 2nd stage – Putrefaction – which occurs 4 to 10 days after death. His body also showed first signs of Black putrefaction – which occurs10 to 20 days after death so don’t understand why you say 1-2 days.
CanadaCarol –
As you note, and as was said to me by the ME who did the autopsy on my brother, many factors can influence the rate of decomposition of a body. And as she further stated, once a body comes out of rigor – which has a very narrow time frame – it can be near to impossible to pin-point a TOD, because so many factors can come into play.
Nonetheless, my brother was found EXACTLY five days after he was last seen by anyone. The girlfriend who found him saw nothing more than his bare chest and belly before she went running for help – but his chest and belly were BLACK. (and he was white)
Travis’ body, even in the shower, was barely discolored at all.
Totally agree, Jade !! 🙂
Carol,
The way I see it, is that Jodi’s ninja story is the correct one, however, there was no evidence, so she, on advice, then changed her plea to self defence.
Your last paragraph, I feel, is chillingly correct. There are so many unanswered questions, such as, why drag his body back to the shower, plus, how the hell did she get him inside the shower in that confined space? These questions had me bugged for months.
Heather, I posted a reply but it landed down below as a regular post. Slide down and read – you read my mind!
Jade-
Jodi gave NO TESTIMONY as to the manner of Travis’ death.
She DID testify that she DOES NOT REMEMBER killing Travis.
Her brain has tried to fill in blanks. Brains do that – even brains that have not been faced with a traumatic event, or as she DID testify, been slammed twice to a tile floor. But what those brains come up with is not reliable. That’s why ‘eye witness testimony’, once the cornerstone of criminal justice, is now the absolute LEAST reliable or valuable evidence that might be offered in a court of law – cops know it, prosecutors know it. Our brains are always trying to reconcile what we see to what we believe. The results are infinitely variable, and LE will only glom onto that one little voice who says what they want to hear.
Jodi faced a mountain of evidence that clearly indicated she’d done something she had no memory of doing. Her brain HAD NO CHOICE but to try to reconcile what little she knew for sure to what the evidence against her said.
The only thing she knew for sure was that the gun shot came first… which coincidentally or not coincides with the intruder story she told Flores in interrogation. And it should be said that Jodi stuck to that story even in the face of the state’s CHANGE of story – she stuck to what she knew FOR SURE: gunshot first!
NO ONE HERE is suggesting or inferring in ANY way that Jodi gave testimony that she KNEW to be false.
What a few of us ARE saying is that there is not even a reliable SCRAP left of the state’s evidence AGAINST her. Every last bit is now officially unreliable. Documented, for sure, none of it to be trusted.
The very evidence Jodi faced when she was pressed to reconcile what she knew to the evidence against her – all of it called into question.
Further, Jade, and with all due respect:
YOU DO NOT GET TO SAY what Jodi’s loyal supporters are ALLOWED to believe.
Nor do you get to define what the viable appellate issues might be.
Everyone here believes that self defense is not a crime. Everyone here agrees that Travis was abusive, and that Jodi surely had reason to fight back. But SOME of us see that there is clear evidence that someone else was there – if not at the same time as Jodi, then sometime soon after.
That’s what the EVIDENCE says, Jade. No matter what the state’s flimsy little house of cards says, the actual EViDENCE says that someone else was there. Flores even said so in his early interviews, the CBS interviews: 2-3 people. It would have taken 2-3 people to kill Travis in the way he was killed.
And, no matter what you might see as true and right, those are viable appellate issues. The state mocked up a case against Jodi from false evidence. It can be proven line by line, now. Every last sin that Jodi was called to answer for has evaporated by lack of verifiable evidence.
Does it really MATTER to you if a little excursion off the beaten path might be the very path to Jodi’s freedom?
Two words: reasonable doubt.
With all deference and due respect as well, I have to take Jodi’s word for what she said on the stand and I believe everything she testified to in its entirety. All that is extraneous to that and the evidence that the jury totally disregarded is monumental and beyond my comprehension.
I have said repeatedly, I don’t want to even speculate what happened after the gunshot because I just don’t even have a theory that I can justify to myself. Things defy physics and time constraints. I know one thing– it wasn’t what Martinez and the rest of the felons patched and pasted together. I believe Travis is responsible for the events that led to his death and that the trial evidence was manipulated or hid.
Anyone that has an opinion here certainly has Jodi’s best interests as the highest priority and I don’t purport to disregard anyone’s opinion or disrespect it. I don’t ask anyone to respect my opinion. I will always put it out there it and try every way under the sun to go only where the facts that I carefully analyze, take me. Anything short of that is compromising my own integrity, which is the one thing I strive to never do.
A new trial is the very least that should result from the now proven altering of evidence or withholding of evidence. And if the trial goes to conclusion in the penalty phase, there is more than enough material reversible error in Stephens rulings to have the verdict set aside as well.
Jade, for what it’s worth I totally agree with you and YOUR RIGHT TO YOUR OPINION.
I agree with you totally, Jade. The verdict should be set aside and a new trial ordered. Jodi testified to what she knew to be the truth. Problem is she doesn’t remember much after the gunshot and this is where the speculation comes in. But since no one has brought in any evidence to show that other people were involved Jodi will unfortunately be left with the full responsibility of the death of TA. I do believe strongly that the roommates know critical information on what happened during those days after TA was shot and I say that bc Jodi has no memory of anything beyond that. Why oh why they were never called or subpoenaed to testify is incomprehensible to me. They should have been called…….Along with why the DT didn’t hire their own blood spatter expert or own medical expert, etc. I imagine it must have been due to KN inexperience trying murders and lack of money as a public defender.
People who now are smug because the first jury found her guilty of premeditated AND felony burglar predicate, would have their mouths open in amazement if a real skilled cracker jack attorney was representing her.
Jodi is where she is and facing this death sentence because of having no choice but to accept who she was assigned at the Public Defender level.
Even if Vladimir Gagic represented her, I believe the outcome would have been entirely different.
The saying is that the case is decided when the jury is picked. It certainly was true in this case. I doubt if even the best attorney could have swayed Tara and #6 from their position. It was a terrible situation for Jodi and her team because the players kept on changing on her and it stretched over such a long time, making kermit think he could get away with hiding and destroying evidence. And he almost got away with it.
I love every one’s opinion and value each and every one of you! ♥
We certainly agree Jodi should be set FREE! And, the Frog should
Go To Jail!
BB,
Photo 162 I call the impossible photograph, for how can she be allegedly in it and taking it at the same time? It’s been said that she trod on the camera but that’s just too far fetched imo because of the distance she or anyone would need to be at in order to get everything in it including TA, plus we see her foot–that is if it IS her foot and pant leg..
The camera dropped when it took that photo of the ceiling, are they trying to tell us that it was accidentally stepped on when photo 162 was taken, they want us to believe this, that the camera landed upright or, as some have said, upside down? Surely if it Was taken when the camera was upside down it was a coincidence it took a straight photo with all that in it? It’s all a bit too pie-in the-sky for me.
It’s all a bit too neat, that explanation… the camera took an accidental photo ..twice?
Ok a few weeks ago someone that I hadn’t seen before posted that the photo that has Jodi’s supposed leg in it was two pictures in one. I know for a fact that this can happen. Now rather it was done intentionally or not is still the question. I’m throwing out all the pictures. The date stamps have been manipulated.
After all of this time has there ever been mention of Jodi getting a MRI ?
I have always had a problem with that as well. The fact these photos are somehow magically taking themselves. It doesn’t make any sense. It would be extremely rare that a camera would somehow take a photo that was something more than blur by kicking the camera or stepping accidentally on a camera. So it is a mystery, that is until those who know step forward and start filling in the blanks……..
On a different thought I would be interested to know what Jeff in Mesa has to say about the new Governor of Arizona. Jan Brewer is gone and the ice cream exec from Scottsdale is in. If Jeff is around it would be good to see his comments on this change.
Actually, Judy F., I want to stay on topic. The more we can say and mull over the better it is for Jodi. There are bits and pieces to look into.
PRAYER: God please bless Arizona and make them change their tune of vindictiveness.
I surely do not care to know what anyone but the court thinks! And, I find a great deal wrong with Arizona’s court system, as demonstrated for 6 1/2 years.
Happy New Year team Jodi! And the haters gonna hate hate hate hate hate, Shake it off, shake it off! 🙂
😆 HAPPY NEW YEAR ALL 😆
Kermit, Gold, Chatty Cathy, Scoopy, ….. it’s been so nice without you for a couple of weeks!
Their silence has been a welcomed Bliss! ♥ AAaaaahhhhhh It appears the Judge has missed a Golden opportunity to do the right thing while they are off in their own personal spaces. . .what a disappointment! 🙁
Happy New Year, my cyber family! ♥ ♥ ♥ 2015, please bring us some good news for our Jodi.
I still get emotional when I see how many people Jodi has on her side, contrary to what the media and the haters want to make us believe.
Happy New Year Team Jodi I hope this is the New Year we are all waiting for New evidence New discovery’s New witnesses New everything all for Jodi this year is what I hope for wish and wish for never give up
Happy 2015. I don’t get on here much because it is my mom (Carol)’s sandbox and her friends. But I wandered on her today and I am enjoying the reads.
Keep up the search for justice. Your voices matter.
<3
Enough with the crazy theories! They are almost as unlikely as the 1000 mile mission of murder. This is a simple case of a woman turning the tables on a physically abusive man. She gave him plenty of chances to retreat, the gun shot and all the minor cuts. A sane person would have run from someone with a gun or big knife but he kept on comming. Finally her inner tigress came out and she let him have it. She is acting on instinct at this point. Her PTSD is an indication of the horror of what she went through. Yes she did kill him in self defense. She was the victim he was the perp. As for the roommates, why did it take them 5 days? They are clueless. The jury was clueless. The world is overun with cluless people. Sad but true.
Clueless Sheeple 🙁
Joe, I’m sorry that you don’t understand that we are just putting our own thoughts out here just as you have in your post.
I find your statement rather demeaning to us that do not follow your thought process.
I believe one BIG thing we have proved is there is plenty of REASONABLE DOUBT every which way this tragedy has been turned!!!!!! It’s ok to disagree, in fact, it just proves our point even clearer. . .JODI ANN ARIAS IS INNOCENT!!! Arizona has gotten it ALL WRONG! Everyone in the World agrees with that . . .if they have been honest with themselves. 🙄 ♥♥♥
🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂
The fact that even Jodi supporters don’t agree should not be grounds for arguments and fights among us. It just goes to show that this case screams: REASONABLE DOUBT.
EVERYONE’S opinion is respected, joe. I hope you know Jodi is grateful to ALL her supporters.
Maria, very well said. We all are just expressing what just doesn’t seem to fit. I read everyone’s post and you are right ” reasonable doubt” is all over this case.
Just keep HANGIN ON JODI!!!! We Are With You
Every Step of the Way!!!! (((((JODI))))))
http://youtu.be/IEyes40uG6w
((((R.Love))))
Thanks Cindy I needed a HUG! ♥ (((((Cindy)))))
Any time…..
That is the perfect ‘Jodi’ song. Looking forward to a silver lining!
New Year = hopeful, prayerful, truthful!!
I love it!
Thanks so much
This case has become “Jodi in Wonderland.” Expecting rationality in the testimony of Jodi is as fanciful as trying to explain Alice’s tea party guests talking nonsense. In Wonderland, Arizona and international social media, the public cries out “off with her head.”
After 6 and 1/2 years of manipulating evidence, destroying evidence and intimidating witnesses, Juan has re-created reality into a modern day Wonderland. We are only now starting to unravel the lies and peeling back the proverbial onion layers.
Amen Carol, but I decided the Twilight Zone is more fitting. 😆
Twilight Zone is okay with me!
How about Alice in the Twilight Zone?
Jodi has certainly been through it all with such a quiet dignity that belies all the tales told about her in and out of court.
“You are traveling through another dimension, a dimension not only of sight and sound but of mind. A journey into a wondrous land of imagination. Next stop, the Twilight Zone!” See it fits 🙄
Actually Jodi’s testimony made a lot of sense. What she was saying before Dr. Samuel got her to open up did’nt make sense. It’s is common for people to not want to talk about traumatic events. Jodi was an abused woman plain and simple. Travis has so many serious unresolved issues that he was headed towards a tragic end. It was inevitable with or without Jodi.
Heather, I really think people tell the truth when they do not believe they have anything to lose, and Jodi had no idea she would be accused of murder.
I agree! It really is the most logical scenario.
There must have been screaming and hollering from both Travis and Jodi after the camera dropped, the tackle, the running around and getting the gun, which fires accidentally, setting off another tackle.
Roommate and Girlfriend would have heard all of that and intervened.
[Jodi was already packed and ready to go (she was downstairs saying good-bye to the dog) when Travis suggested they take pictures of his ‘gorgeous body’ and she complied].
So, she takes the roommate/girlfriend intervention as a chance to escape, runs down the stairs and out the door, jumps in her car and heads out.
That’s the end of this part of Travis’ Story as far as it concerns Jodi.
(IMVHO) (I wish I could make smiley faces)
You can Carol : ) but do not space in between. . .Got it? 🙂
: ) = 🙂
: ( = 🙁
Trying again!
🙂
🙁
TaDaa! You did it! : D is 😀 No spaces
(((R.Love)))!!! 🙂 I’m so Happy Thanks
It does Jodi no favor to make this case overly complicated. It is a very simple case of domestic violence. No need for any premeditation. A man in a rage and a woman in a fight for her life. What’s hard to understand about that?
New defense motion (according to Phoenix News Time): “Jodi Arias accuses her prosecutor of lying and demands the immediate release of forensic reports related to her victim’s laptop in a court motion filed on Wednesday.”
Happy New Year everyone!
Like Rasna said, sincerity is what is essential, and Jodi has truth and sincerity on her side.
I am happy that a new motion has been filed.
NEWS AGENCIES NEED TO START HIRING PEOPLE WHO CAN WRITE ON A PROFESSIONAL LEVEL, be trusted to do adequate, thorough research, and have the capacity and sophistication to be able to make valid, well-reasoned, cogent points and synopses.
Over and over and over, I come across news- reports that seem to have been put together by adolescents.
I don’ t believe in belittling anyone, but news- agencies have an ethical obligation to hire people who can adequately and thoroughly do their job.
Right on Amy!
I read this on Change.org and thought what a miracle it is that Jodi didn’t lose her life the way this poor young woman did.
PREVENT DOMESTIC HOMICIDE! Make Non-Fatal Strangulation a Felony in Ohio.
Change.org
Support MONICA’S LAW! Prevent domestic homicide. Make non-fatal strangulation a felony in Ohio.
Family & Friends of Monica Weber Jeter
On January 31, 2014 Monica Weber Jeter was strangled by her husband until she was “dizzy and unable to call for help”. The attack occurred while she was sleeping and their five young children were in the home. One of the children disrupted the attack and called 911. Monica’s husband pled “no contest” and was found guilty on a MISDEMEANOR domestic violence charge. He was sentenced to 11 DAYS of a possible 180 days IN JAIL and six months of probation. The protection order was lifted a month after the attack.
Nine months later, on October 8, 2014, Monica’s husband assaulted her again. This time viciously beating and stabbing her while she slept in their North College Hill Ohio home. Two of the children witnessed the attack—their twelve year old daughter called 911. Monica endured multiple stab wounds, massive blood loss, painful surgeries, and major organ failure. She spent thirty-two days in critical condition at University of Cincinnati Hospital in the Surgical Intensive Care Unit. She fought so hard to survive for her family but her injuries were just too severe. She died on November 9, 2014. She was thirty-six years old.
Monica’s large heartbroken family is completely dedicated and focused on raising awareness and making real change in her honor. Our first goal is to get legislation passed in Ohio that specifically makes non-fatal strangulation a felony.
So sad.
Horrible.
I thought so too. 🙁 Then I thought of Travis strangling Jodi, he was a ticking time bomb, wasn’t he?
What a tragedy..And yes, TA was absolutely a ticking time bomb.
R. Love: Here goes :)=
Keeping fingers crossed!
Whoops. . . : ) no space between and make sure to leave a couple of spaces before and after 🙂
oops, lol – the equal sign was in R. Love’s demo as *itself* as in : ) equals 🙂
Let’s teach her the : roll : is 🙄 Come on Carol you can do it!
You must learn the 🙄 before next week. . .you will need it!!!!
♥ 😉
Oh, My Dear R.Love: Another wish? how do you do a heart?
Okay, I’m game! How to do rolling eyes?
I have really spilled just almost all my thoughts here, yesterday and today: about this awful miscarriage of justice; it is time for me to get going on life’s chores – dishes, etc. 🙁
Keep the fires burning!
Love to all
🙄 my 1:22 post. Get that, then we will work on your ♥ !
Yes, I’m going stir crazy here. . .football, football and then more football!
This I may not get, but here goes!
::):
So Sad I Am…Slow Learner 🙁
Now, Now we will not give up. . .it is not in our vocabulary!! Try : roll : do not space in between semicolons or the word roll. . .NO spaces. . .is that clear as mud? 🙄 Be sure and leave space before and after you attempt. 🙄
Just read the latest motion from the defense! Wow KN is getting tougher and tougher! 😉
Copy and Paste may work!
https://doc-0s-bk-apps-viewer.googleusercontent.com/viewer/secure/pdf/3nb9bdfcv3e2h2k1cmql0ee9cvc5lole/lc48dcmvc5b0ikdok3me474r2u9ofurh/1420234350000/lantern/*/ACFrOgBAank-5Lp8ifJqAdNe57ULjVNztJMKluka_U33J49i5IBV_phFljLVR9wFjiPhZnsz8Ujva87qQKBPaTQ4F0Io-4EjuRqe2DlOk8eU8AK99bryqg1K_yC-qxU=?print=true&nonce=8bmm2qk9kse3e&user=*&hash=aomn0shdgkfgdcr4eq1q567j7e15mb7t
Thank you for the link, Carol!
One very last thing:
If the time of death had been noted in court and there had been a record made as to the time of death, Jodi would have been found not guilty.
This was a huge error on the part of the defense and sadly prosecutorial misconduct.
1. By not having the time of death testified to, the defense could not show Jodi’s whereabouts at that particular time.
This was ineffective council at best. (I do think they are doing great now! 🙂
2. By not having the time of death testified to, the prosecution was able to suggest Jodi was at the scene of the crime at the time of the murder; and could suggest she did commit the murder. It was their responsibility to PROVE she was there when TA died, and they failed.
This was prosecutorial misconduct.
But the DT did not want to contradict Jodi’s own testimony that she was there and undermine their own case of self-defense….so I think this was a decision that was made by the DT to not bring up the discrepancy of the notations that indicate that TA was dead 1-2 days….
Rolling Eyes dedicated to you know how! ::):
One very last thing!
If the time of death had been noted in court and there had been a record made as to the time of death, Jodi would have been found not guilty.
This was a huge error on the part of the defense and sadly prosecutorial misconduct.
1. By not having the time of death testified to, the defense could not show Jodi’s whereabouts at that particular time.
This was ineffective council at best. (I do think they are doing great now! :))
2. By not having the time of death testified to, the prosecution was able to suggest Jodi was at the scene of the crime at the time of the murder; and could suggest she did commit the murder. It was their responsibility to PROVE she was there when TA died, and they failed.
This was prosecutorial misconduct.
The pictures in the camera gave a very good timeline for Travis’s last hours and even the duration of the fight.
Joe:
Until there is a ME saying the approximate time of death 1-2 days there is no time of death on the record. It must come from the ME.
New post now up:
Defendants Motion to Compel – (filed 12/31/2014)
https://www.jodiariasisinnocent.com/defendants-motion-to-compel-filed-12-31-2014-justice-for-jodi-arias
SJ
Team Jodi #WINNING <<<