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Free publicity & presidential BS. Yay!

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Ok then peeps… time for a little humor to start the weekend!

I had an email yesterday afternoon from Oralia Ortega @ 12 News AZ wanting to do an interview about the website. I turned her down, mainly due to being in the middle of watching The Nurminator ripping the State a new one with his closing arguments.

Anyways, it turns out they broadcast a piece last night featuring our website, together with info on a different website with a slightly different stance on the trial :mrgreen:

Here’s the video:

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I just found it amusing that the guy running the other site thought TA would make a good President. Not too sure whether he meant President of the United States, or President of the local Pedophiles & Abusers Association… maybe he meant both? Maybe that’s why they cut him off mid sentence every time he was talking? :mrgreen:

With those comments though, it sounds very much like the other guy is a few sandwiches short of a picnic. I mean… had he been there at the autopsy with Dr Doolittle, he would probably have given TA a blow job… or at least tried to. Yes or no?

In the meantime… remember…

WE ARE TEAM JODI – AND JUST A FEW DAYS FROM NOW – WE WILL BE VICTORIOUS.

Never question it.

Never doubt it.

Have an awesome weekend!

SJ
Team Jodi

Don’t forget to check out the 7 new Jodi drawings I just added to the site.

If you would like to help Jodi directly by way of a financial donation via check or PayPal, click here (or click the Team Jodi link below) for further details.

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      • WOW SJ….thanks for that link…I would have missed it otherwise…

        And he said that he could see Travis as being President one day…and I can just see Travis bullchyting his way to the top of any profession that he chooses while screwing everyone on the way…after all…we have already seen his delectable desire…have we not…hmmm…

        • Twas the night before Xmas and all thru the great Phoenix area, Travis was cruising for underage little boys to make Xmas more cozy. Have fun and don’t violate the terms of your probation, Posted by Chad Perkins on Travis Alexander’s my space page 6 years ago. Does this sound like a presidential candidate to you? I think this being posted to Travis was very weird. I know this was his my space page because Jodi had posted and so had his 2 sisters. Unbelievable.

            • Jokes always hold the truth. That is why such serious subjects get addressed as comedies. It is easier when we can laugh at it. But it does tell us a story.

          • WOW Louise! I knew he was a perv! I would like someone to explain the 12 year old comment to me! WHY Dr Drew, HLN, Nancy Grace, Vinnie, Mike Brooks, etc… are you okay with this?! Defending it?! AND, Jenny on Sirius XM said it was perfectly NORMAL!!! ARE YOU SERIOUS?????!!!!! OMG!!!!! These people need jailed, NOT Jodi!!!! Again, needs repeated – i was freakin molested by a man ta’s age from 2-15! yes i was a victim then – not now – but then!!! i blamed myself! gained weight to make him not want me!!!! the horror i went thru!!!! he made remarks just like that!!!! what the hell is going on here??? am i seriously missing something????!!!! jenny (sirius xm) on dr drew friday said she wears pigtails for her man!!! o-m-g!!!! and to all the jodi haters reading this – you’re the sick ones!!!! if ta would’ve killed jodi, this tape come out, turd martinez would crucify travis!!!! and you know it!!! let someone like that babysit your daughter – sister – granddaughter!!!!! that’s right!!! you wouldn’t!!!! set jodi free!!!! o this burns me up!!!! a innocent woman jailed!!! i was also hit, and verbally abused by a man – fyi – i didn’t report it!!!! o, so i guess it never happened to me either – right! stupid people!

            • Sorry Team Jodi……one more thing……
              travis busted himself! think about it………. you – sound – like – a – 12yr old girl…….hmmmmmmmmmm!!!!!!! and how the hell does he know what that sounds like????!!!! exactly!!! fantasy??? really???
              hey jenny, dr drew, nancy, mike, vinnie, etc… he’s talking about your 12yr old!!!!! not so tasty now is it!!!!!!! you sick freaks!!!!! hey nancy grace….. your “precious twin daughter”, ta was thinking of her!!!!! swallow that!!!! not so innocent now is it!!!!! you biased – twisted – freaks!!!! and talk about jodi??? okay, i didn’t see the sister (bobble head) rolling her eyes when travis was “trash” talking – you frankly looked ashamed!!!!!
              mike brooks – you were in law enforcement right? well i question that, but anyway, if you went to a home of a little girl, you heard a man say that, i’m guessing you would let it slide……right?!!!! now i know what’s wrong with our society!!!!!! and ya’ll wonder why jodi didn’t report!!!! she would’ve talked to a mike brooks i’m guessing!!!! it wasn’t okay for sandusky, but is for travis!!!!! w~o~w!!!!!! i gotta go!!!! i am sick!!!! this is truly sad!!!!
              you rock jodi!!!! lets hope there’s a “me” on that jury!!!! sorry you went thru that! i’m 40 and still not over my abuse!!! i’ll pray for you hun!!!
              rock~on!!! keep your head h~i~g~h!!!!!

              • Go Missy Radar,

                thank you for your blunt honesty. I feel a lot of us hold back cuz Travis is dead. But, when you put it in real words. I am reminded this guy had some serious problems. I mean Sky Hughes one of his best friends did’nt want him dating their daughter. I mean that kind of shows he was not this holier than thou person HLN and their followers talk about.

        • He was a great b.s.’er, no doubt about it, but he was more likely to end up in jail himself than ever be president of the U.S.

          • tonysam,

            I started following this trial waaay late, so there’s a lot of stuff I missed. Was this Chad Perkins ever interviewed by anyone?

            • Not that we know of, Sil. A post by him on FB wouldn’t generate enough interest to interview him.

              • oh wow. I just think that post is super creepy in lieu of the pedophilia stuff that has come up about TA. And this post happened Waaaay before he ever met Jodi. :/

          • His best friend Chris Hughes:

            http://www.mysoldierhollow.com/board/meet-the-board

            His now on the school board as vice-chair at Soldier Hollow School in Utah…
            The principal Charles Weber arrested for molesting several young boys over
            35 years. He and his wife Skyand 4 kids moved to Utah in 2010…..he claims he
            “retired’ from PPL.

        • Well, I think Jodi described one sex act between her and Travis as “Bill Clinton” sex (or, something to that effect), meaning oral sex, I imagine. I think Travis’s Eddie Snell act would have been the end to those dreams.

      • some how i managed to get the page where JM is playing the tape of travis and jodi in his lap the guy next to jodi looks like the guy in the video above on the web site the travis site is he the one

    • My comment removed from HLN Weekend Express! I defended Jodi, and they removed my comment! Not biased?! Glad I have a copy when it posted, and went back – deleted!

    • Thank you! I knew I stayed up late for a reason. Do I dare ask what the prize selections are?

      • Leave it with me Jeff. All the other prizes I gave out got returned, lol.

        SJ
        Team Jodi

        • Ok, SJ. That’s fine by me. Thanks so much for the video, it was very enlightening. Is this guy for real? Just another in the long line of whack jobs that want to put TA on a pedestal like some kind of mythic hero or something. This dude didn’t even know of TA’s existence until the trial and already he paints him as this great man. WTF is wrong with people?! Honestly! President???!!! Are you fu*@ing serious??? Wow! I’m a little stunned but I guess I shouldn’t be surprised.

          • I think I’m unshockable now, Jeff, just one whack job after another, I just thank God for this site or I’d be thinking the whole of America is crazy.

            • that’s right Heather…he would be whacking our government too…

          • Jeff I returned my prize!! LOL It was dinner with the seven dwarfs. I was so scared because I would be taller then Mr Juanderful and I would be stepping in the bullshit that fell out of him. LOL You arebetter to just stay with the glory of being TODAYS First and that you are no longer a first comment virgin, but as we learned from this trial you can still publically state you are a VIRGIN when you are not and you will be believed by the mindless. LOL

            • Dinner with Juan? Oh, no way! I’m kinda sure I’d rather have dinner with Satan himself. I’ve often thought that Juan might just be one of Satan’s demons released upon earth.

              • LOL That’s funny because I too have thought of that. He has so much anger in him for being such a little man.
                Have you seen the video that Dic Flores daughter made in support of the Alexander family?

              • good ole southern fried frog legs is Today’s Special on the menu…LOL…

  3. I wish JVM would pick a hair color ,retire, and rescue animals the rest of her life.- her only redeeming quality. As a recovering alcoholic I’m ashamed by her actions. She needs to redo the steps.

  4. I want to take a moment to thank BeeCee, TR, Lara, Sil, Viri, Cindy, SJ, Renee, Theresa TTFO, Jaz, Maria Rigadonpoulou, Kira, Al, Heather1, Fred, and Bev (please forgive me if I forgot to add your name, I had so many people to remember, AND don’t forget that I am a TRUE blond heart and soul.LOL
    I want to thank you all for your kind words and prayers. Yesterday late morning I got really sick. So sick that I was in bed all day and night. Then about 3 am I woke up and felt like I was 13 again. I have so much freaken energy and the pain….WHAT PAIN it’s gone!!! I was in so much pain yesterday that I was in tears….but now IT”S GONE!!! I know that it was all the prayers that were sent my way. I am proof that prayer in large NUMBERS work!!! Thank you all so much. You are all added to my nightly prayer list!!! Thank you SJ again for this site. Through it I have met some really great people!!!

    Enough of me!!!
    Let’s all pray the same way for Jodi!!!

    • That’s awesome, Jennifer! (great name btw!) I’m so glad you are feeling better! Strength in numbers here. All you gotta do is believe. I know I do. I hope you continue to get better; you’re in my prayers.

      • Thank you sweety!!! You must have a loved one with the same AWESOME name. LOL
        I feel so great today. My daughter got up, she’s nine. to go to the bathroom, it’s 5;30 am here and she looked at me and said, “One good thing about this is that you don’t eat and when you do you throw up so you are losing weight….Mommy you are looking HOT again.” I about peed my pants I laughed so hard.
        NEWS ALERT: Want to lose those unwanted pounds??? Get cancer and the pounds will melt away.
        (I have cancer so I can make those kinds of jokes I guess)

        • Actually I was referring to Jennifer Willmott. I do have an ex named Jennifer though. But we don’t want to talk about that….. EVER!

          • She is a great attorney!! I think she is truly connected to Jodi and supporters her more then most attorneys do.
            The link above was wrong here is the right link to the song by his daughter.
            http://youtu.be/7SmqAFapJok

    • Oh Jennifer, how fantastic, I’m feeling so happy for you! ((((((hugs))))))

        • Jennifer, thank you for your positiveness. You are an inspiration to us all. We all care about you, and you will be in my prayers as well.

    • I am so glad you are feeling better Jennifer and your pain is gone. Sending a smile and a big hug! 🙂

      • Thank you!! I hope it stays away. I am a recovering addict 10 yrs clean and I HATE to take medication for the pain because of the addictive nature of the medication. So I am VERY thankful for the prayers that took it away!!

    • I’m so glad you’re feeling better.

      We keep praying, you keep fighting and we’ll get this licked.

      Love ya.

      • Thank you AL!!! I am ready to kick this cancers butt!!! I am tired of not being my normal self. I believed before but I do 100 times more now that prayer in numbers is the BEST medication!!!

    • Dear Jodi, I prayed half the night, You are not guilty, I have place in God’s hands. I wish the best.

    • glad you are without pain today Jennifer…keep the faith…angels are all around you too…

      • Thank you!! I really don’t know what I would do with out all of you great people on this site!!!

      • Im sorry I didn’t mean to make you cry!! I owe feeling better to the prayers I got and continue to get.

    • Jennifer,

      I’m so glad to read your good post this morning. I continue to pray every day.

      • ♥ I am so happy to hear this, Jennifer, (((((((((((((((((hugs))))))))))))))))))))

    • yay! i am so happy to hear that jennifer. i am going to keep praying for you. dont get too carried away with your cancer diet. you need your strength to fight. i highly suggest looking into some medical marijuana. seriously. keep the faith jennifer!

      • LOL!! That is what I have been told that it works great. But there are two reasons I can’t take it One Iowa isn’t that progressive yet…and I am a recovering addict. However I think I would feel more comfortable smoking then taking some of the pain meds that they give for cancer. It was those kind of meds that I became addicted to after a horrible back injury. Aren’t doctors great they hand you medication and never ttell you the dangers of it!!
        Thank you for you advice and prayers. You are a great person!!!

    • So glad that you’re feeling better, Jennifer! I will keep you in my prayers :).

      • Thank you so much. I now know that prayer works so well and better in large numbers.

    • ((Jeniffer))

      I heart you, Jennifer! Everything is going to be alright! You’ll see. =)

      For us and for Jodi!

    • Jennifer dear,I´ll keep praying for you! You’re such a nice person,taking the time to thank us as if we’ve done sth special.Isnt oving your friend(even your cyber friend)what people are supposed to do?Keep smiling and praying,honey.Try meditation too,it works!!!!

      • Maria,
        Thank you so very much!! I consider all of you my good friends. I was raised to send thank you cards when someone gives you a gift and since we are in the cyber world my thanks on here is my form of thank you cards. You are a pretty special person your self!! Thank you for the prayers!!

    • Wonderful news, Jennifer! {{{ HUGS }}} for you, your daughter, and of course Jodi.

    • Oh my gosh, Jennifer, I didn’t know what you were going through. Bless you, my friend. I am soooo glad you feel better today. You will be in my thoughts every day from now on.

      • Thank you AA!! I was felt great when I woke up and it was from the prayers I know it was because I did nothing different then normal days except that people prayed for me. I pray for you everyday and night my friend. I hope all is going well for you.

    • so happy the prayers have been answered
      (((((((((((((hugs))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

  5. Here is my take on this guy and his website. He’s looking for publicity plain and simple. Yes or No?

    • Funny since the hater sites accuse us of only saying we support Jodi for ATTENTION! Lol!

      • THAT IS SOOO FUNNY!! Because they are the ones that call into disgrace and other HLN shows degrading Jodi. I cant wait for all of them to EAT CROW!!!

    • I just glanced at the site. It’s a mess. What an idiot. I guess he got his 1 minute of fame so he’s happy.

      • I went over to look at that site also. I really thought it would be equal in quality to this site. I was eager to see a good site for the opposite side. I could not be more disappointed. A raving idiot is running that site. He is way too emotional. He is threatening this site and everyone on it. It is one endless ramble. I feel sorry for Travis and Travis’s family with this type of representation.
        Jodi, my prayers have been with you. I am with you girl!

    • NOTE PLEASE PLEASE turn the volume down when linking to that. For your ears sake.

              • Thanks Jennifer. Ok, I really had no problem with the video until it got to the part where Travis has his arm around Juan. Right, well that’s just a bit over the top for me. In fact it’s frickin’ ridiculous. It’s so silly because I know damn well that he doesn’t give one ounce of shit about TA or his family. He’s out to get another notch in his belt any way he sees fit. Justice for Travis my ass! I also notice they have a pay pal account for people to donate to the cause. That’s nice, but aren’t these the same motherfu@*ers that bitched about the fact that SJ has a pay pal account here to support Jodi’s cause? I think so. I wonder where all that money is going. I’m pretty sure Travis hasn’t seen a nickel of it. Ya think? What a bunch of phonies.

                • Well HELL might have a paypal account and I am sure that Childporn is common in HELL!! Sorry about that rant I was just watching some clips fro the trial and they pist me off a little. GOSH THE haters are so freaken stupid. They put 1 and 1 together and get 4.

                • I guess I have a very different opinion of this girl’s video. I think it’s very sweet. She’s actually very talented, a very unique voice and the song is really nice. Her father is law enforcement and the case agent for the prosecution. He HAS to believe in what he’s doing. Whether I think his detective work is shoddy or not, he did what he had to do. And it’s only natural that his daughter would believe in her father and be proud of him. They’re Mormon so, of course, she would take the view that the trial is wrong. I highly doubt this young girl knows all the facts that we do. I assume she’s quite young because Flores isn’t very old. She did what she believed in and wrote a song about it all. She used photos that are posted on the hater sites, not photos she made. Perhaps her aunt, Charlie, who made the video is someone from those sites. I don’t think we should bash this girl and again, I do think she has a unique voice and is talented.

              • ”

                Mandy Acosta 2 days ago

                Wow. There is nothing wrong with the family posting this video. The jury isn’t supposed to be looking at any media anyway. If they do, that’s their own issue. Angela and her aunt, Charlie, who made the video are not public officials and do not have anything to do with the trial. Is it not already obvious that Detective Flores wants Justice for Travis? I’m the Admin of the Detective Esteban Flores FB page and have spoken with the family. They have been very cautious in everything they say or do!”

                ARE FUCKING KIDDING ME! Skeletor and Ompah loopha have been shaking their heads, rolling their eyes and just being EXTREMELY inappropriate while sitting in court! And I’m appalled that Judge Pickle Face allowed their behavior to continue in front of the jurors ..

                • “ARE FUCKING KIDDING ME! Skeletor and Ompah loopha have been shaking their heads, rolling their eyes and just being EXTREMELY inappropriate while sitting in court! And I’m appalled that Judge Pickle Face allowed their behavior to continue in front of the jurors ”

                  Michelle,

                  I DO agree with that statment.
                  I have never seen such disorder in a court allowed by any judge..
                  A friend of mine’s boyfriend was on trial, they could not have gotten by with this behaviour.
                  The judge said before the verdict was read, if you feel you are going to cry then leave the court room.
                  My friend did.

                  The Travis two on front that make all kind of faces, roll their eyes, throw the head back and the REST of the time, just glare at Jodi with hate, they can control that and should . THE judge doesn’t deserve that bench!
                  It doesn’t make any difference whether the lawyers are at the sidebar OR whatever they are talking about when the camera comes on that sister, she tries to cry.

                  Jodi’s life will never be the same because of the way this had been televised. Her life is an open book. Thanks to all of the ones one HLN. There is one that at least has the balls to say something good for the defense and that is Dwayne Cates.
                  The rest defense attorneys never took their prosecuter hats off.
                  They’re all the same.

                  My Dad painted and that helped him in stress. Jodi has so many talents, that they can’t take away from her.
                  If they don’t want her to write a book unless they get the profit OR sell her beautiful art to make money THEN just shame on their asses.
                  They can’t make her stop with her art.

                  They say Travis fought for his life, WELL Jodi had to fight for her life and she had no other option.She had to defend herself. She should be set free.

                  I was watching a lady from Austrailia say that there it is not televised, NOR the names mentioned.
                  I’m sure that’s what you call fair, because like Casey, Jodi will be the most hated person.Just have to hate someone.
                  I HATE to say that. It seems lik we ALWAYS have to have someone to hate.
                  We have a real problem now with our justice system and if it is because they are televised, then let’s not do it anymore.

                  BTW, I ordered Alyce’s book April 4th from a store, not Amazon or Barnes and Nobel. I reveived an E-mail yesterday saying it was cancelled. I called they said they didn’t know WHY that book was cancelled!!! Bullshit!!
                  That’s called sabatage.

                  Something needs to change. I don’t know where to start, but there has to be a change. Way too much hate.
                  Why do they have to say and are always proud to say MOST hated in America.
                  That is not justice!
                  And that is something we are to be proud of, Justice for All!.
                  It’s just not true.

                  And people can blame it on whoever they want, BUT they are the ones. They should look on the mirror, every time they use those two words ” MOST HATED”
                  and MAYBE it would change.

  7. The publicity for this site is great but that man running the other site just sounds like a very strange person. He wanted to be friends with Travis because he seemed cool? Nah just a fame seeking nerdling. Or maybe he wanted advice on cream pies who knows.

        • LMAO! I just got that! *giggles*

          He could be President and soon retire on that!

          • (In the vein of George W. Bush): “My fellow Americans, this is a load you cannot ignore. It’s an ejacutation that’s a true phenomenation. You can pedophilize it and categorize it, but either way, fifteen pumps is something you have to sink your teeth into. And this is my fifteen pumps of fame. Uh . . . who’s got a towel???”

    • AMEN!!! I witness in a trial a few years ago. The person who never knew the defendant started a page for his supporters. Eventually he started having people send money to him for this defendant. Thousands of people were following that case and people sent money from all over the world. The admin was pocketing the money and bought high priced items with the money. The defendant said that the admin of that site freaked him out when they met. I too think that that person wanted his 15 mins of fame.

    • That guy running the other site seems like kinda a goof ball. He really thinks Travis could have been president some day??? WOW! I don’t even know what to say to that.

      I have been up almost all night. I have got to get to bed. My sleep pattern has really been all over the place since I started watching this trial….especially the past couple of weeks. I have some health issues that are not being helped by lack of sleep, but it has been really hard to turn off thinking about Jodi and the out come of this trial.

      good night all! Hopefully I will wake up in time to exchange some posts later tomorrow.

  8. First I want to say that I am PRO JODI ten thousand percent!!
    I was just looking for the video link for Jeff and I clicked on some videos while looking for it that weren’t the right ones. I came across one that made me cry…it was of TA as a little boy and ones of his family when he was little. It made me think about the MONSTER that molested him and took him from that sweet little man to the Vile man that Jodi met. When someone molests a child they steal more then there innocence from them they steal their FUTURES from them as well. It made me wonder if TA would of been the sex crazed abusive man that he was if that had not occurred in his childhood. I wonder if that MONSTER is behind bars for what he did to TA and probably countless other little boys along the way. I think the FIRST thing we as a society need to do to end these cycles of ABUSE is to make the penalties for the ABUSERS much much more sever. When that MONSTER molested TA as a child he inadvertently caused the actions the day of TA’s death. TA was dealt a pretty shitty hand. He had two drug addicts for parents, he lived below poverty, and when his grandmother rescued him from all of that he was molested by a TRUSTED adult…I am not CONDONING TAs actions by any means. What I am saying is we as PARENTS and adults in society we need to STOP THESE CYCLES!! We need to save the next generation of children from becoming a victim to these PEDIFILES who turn innocent babies INTO MONSTERS who BEAT WOMEN and MOLEST others. To close this comment I would like to add something that I heard from a Mother whose daughter was murdered by her newly wed husband in a fast moment of pure anger. This mother told me.” I know that he wasn’t evil to his soul because my daughter would of never fallen in love with him.” The man that took her daughters life claimed for years that it was an accident that she drowned in the bathtub. He had thousands of supporters and I was one of them…until the night he told me what TRUELY happened and how she really died. During the time I knew this man I saw nothing but a good man….until he told me what happened the night his wife died. I cannot help but wonder if the same is true of TA. Jodi is a good girl and there had to be good in TA or she wouldn’t of loved him.

    • Thats’s the difference with the sane and loving people who post here as opposed to the media frenzy who makes Jodie into a devil and Travis into a perfect and saintly man. It boils my blood so I stay away from all that right now even sources I normally read for regular news.

      How many women are killed per day by a man? I am not saying its right man or woman but where are the pitchforks then? The hate this case has created OUT THERE is downright scary.

      I too have looked at photos of a child Travis and have felt badly for him. I suspected he was sexually abused even before I read any rumors to that and I believe it to be true and that one or more of his family or friends knew but didn’t want the public to know. All the other abuse he had was heartbreaking as well.

      But the boy became a man and even though he tried to polish the outside up as rich clean successful perfect Mormon he was still damaged goods inside—sorry–I cannot think of a better adjective right now but damaged– I am sure you know what I mean. Damaged people often go on to have awful toxic abusive relationships unless they acknowledge it and get help. Since he had several kinds of trauma and abuse in tender years he should have gotten help as a boy but people were more clueless about these kind of things 35 years ago.

      • I agree he was so damaged. His sweet grandma tried to save him from the life he had to live by brining him and his siblings into her home and getting them into church. I have to wonder if it was a higher up in the church who did the abuse. It is sad how many children suffer in silence because of the fear molesters put inthem…ie I’ll kill you or your parents shit like that. Kids take the threat seriously. I once was doing a paper for college on sexual abuse of children and came across the site I can’t remember the exact name but something along the lines of Men who love boys or something. It is a page where men blog about the “love” they have for little boys and how it isn’t wrong. I about puked. Then because they must trace your IP address or something I kept getting pop ups and email from them. I feel so bad for the children.
        I thnki when Jodi testified that TA didn’t like that part of him she was telling the truth. I think he might of wanted to change but was to…proud…to get the help he needed. He took it out on Jodi all that pent up anger towards the person who did that to him.

        • The tragedy of Travis Alexander is he couldn’t escape from his past, and it destroyed him.

          If he had only listened to the Hugheses and actually gotten help for his many problems, he would be alive today.

          • LOL ‘if he had only listened to the Hughes’?’ They meddled in his life more than a jewish mother in law does !

            • A Jewish mother-in-law would have bought books, called a therapist, made the appointment and enlisted the whole family. All the Hughes did was lecture him and probably made him feel rejected and angry, and he blamed and took it out on Jodi some more.

        • You are probably talking about NAMBLA, one of the most vile organizations on the planet.

          • That’s it!! I thought I was going to have those images in my head forever. I remember crying so hardd for the little boys that those kind of men destroyed!! It is sickening!!!

    • SJ did they really try to contact you for this story?? I would of GLADLY spoke up for all of us on here. I want the public to know that not all the WORLD are morons and believe the fairy tale that Mr Juanderful tells.

    • Thanks, D!

      Re this site: “I just didn’t think it was right.”

      WHY NOT, YOU EFFING SHITHEAD? I hate these blanket pro-prosecution statements more than I can say. Never a single fact, but they could not be more certain of Jodi’s guilt. Ugh.

      He could see Travis as President one day? LMAO. I’ve often lamented that had Travis been killed in late 2012 on, the photos of Travis’ house with the yellow crime-scene tape would have shown dozens of Romney/Paul 2012 signs in the ground that Travis could not bring himself to remove.

      Anyway, this site is awesome.

      • I’ve often wondered if the delays in this trial was politically motivated. Sure they can say it had to do with the Defense, but behind the scenes it’s always easy to delay a trial due to conflicts in Judge’s or Prosecution’s scheduling. Had this been going on in the run up to the 2012 election, Romney would not have lost by the margin he lost by. His campaign would have gone down in epic flames like the Hindenburg. So much inflammatory stuff would have been brought up about Mormonism.

    • Thanks Al! Got to see the Dead twice, and it sounds like you’ve seen them many times! 😉 Great tune to wake up to! 🙂 And Jennifer my thoughts and prayers are with you, as I know many others on this site are as well!

      • 400+ times. Its was great being what my Dad called a “professional student”. 4 degrees, 12 years, lots of Dead shows and tons of fly-fishing. Life was so much fun.

        Then I grew up. Rats.

  11. Good morning. 🙂 I would personaly day each name but I’m. on my phone …. SJ I didn’t have it IN ME
    this moreing yet to watch the video. Perhaps after my 10th cup of coffee.

    Jen I really missed you yesterday but I’m happy you rested. my motherly orders for today get your ass outta bed do something fun with your daughter. needless to say I say that with love and respect.:-)
    OK Al Little dancing music.

    • LOL Thank you Cindy. My Mommy passed away in 2007 at the age of 48. It was nice to be bossed around again. I got a lot of rest and Jodi, our new kitty, slept next to me all day. She got up once when the boy cats messed with her but most of the day she was right next to me. I missed you all yesterday too. How was the closing that Nurmi did? And was Mr Juanderful repetitive as always?

      • My heart is with you Jennifer…my mom passed away in December 2009….it was a difficult time being Christmas and all…and I still keep hearing my mom’s voice telling me to do this and do that…sometimes when I am up late at night I can hear her telling me to go to bed…then I realize that I am the mommy now…and I get to stay up…when you lose a mom you have lost a great vastness of your life…there is nothing to replace that feeling…nothing…I know…so again…you are in my thoughts and prayer…May God Bless you…

        • Thank you!! My mom was my best friend. When she passed I thought How can I go on without her??? I had kids so I had to pick myself up and just do it. THe night she died I had woken up to someone saying my name. I opened my eyes and I saw her in the corner of my room. She told me to take care of my younger siblings and her grandchildren. She said she loved me so much. And then told me to get ahold of some of her friends from out of state and let them know she passed. I answered out loud YEAH Mom I will when you pass but you will go into remission again so that is a long way off. A few moments later my cell phone buzzed. For some reason it did not ring when the call came in it was a buzz from the message. I listened to it and it was my step dad telling me that my Mom wouldn’t wake up. I called right away and begged him to do CPR to call the paramedics TO WAKE HER UP…He said Honey she’s gone. AT that Moment I screamed so loud and hard and fell to the ground.. That was the worst MOMENT of my life!!!
          Thank you for your thoughts and prayers and I will keep you in mine also. GOD BLESS my friend.

      • aaaaaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwwwwww , “Jodi, our new kitty”……. aaaaaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwwwww

        • My daughter named her. She is such a pretty cat that is why she called her Jodi. She told me last night as we got ready for bed why did God not make the police see the truth that Jodi was hurt by TA…and I couldn’t answer I had to say I don’t know honey..

  12. Praying for Jodi! 🙂 I feel like this site has been my lifeline into what was happening throughout the trial. I have a 13 hour plan ride today, I think I’m going to have withdrawal symptoms not being able to access this site! :/

    • NK pick up a good book to read…I recommend Amanda Knox’s book or if you want to have something lighter anything by Chelsea Handler will have you laughing.

  13. I, too, think Travis was a damaged person due to his harsh childhood. This is still no excuse fir him to treat someone as callously as he did Jodi. The proper thing would have been to have sought help for your BPD. If Demarte was an expert then I am too and can diagnose him. Instead he took prisoners. And Jodi being a vulnerable person who loved him, was treated the worst of all. I am sad for his family that he died such a tragic death but I am happy that Jodi is finally free of him, emotionally.

    • Men like TA look for women like Jodi. They seek women they can control, ones who will do anything for them, ones who do as you say, ones who also never question WHAT you say, ones who do as they are told and nothing they are not, ones who will up root their lives to be near you, ones who alter their appearance to suit you, ones who conform to your belief system, and last but certainly not least ones who will lie for you, cover for you, and place you on a PEDISTAL at all times. These men alienate these women from their family and friends and the mans friends become the womans friends. These women walk two steps behind their man when in public. These men select women who feel they deserve what they do to them and women who feel GREATFUL that they even are interested in them. And the men DON’T let these ladies forget how LUCKY THEY ARE that HE is dating THEM.

      • That’s it in a nutshell, Jennifer, and while so many people in the US disbelieve abused women it will just carry on. There has to be a FULL STOP to abuse. I hope that this case will set the precedent for women, it has to change some time.

        Right now men can abuse women any time the mood takes them and know they can get a\way with it 🙁

        Thinking of our Jodi today, she must be going through agony, when really she should be receiving a medal for all the abuse she has suffered from the court the last 4 months.

        In years to come, and probably many years, people in the US won’t comprehend how the court–the State– made Jodi suffer even more that she has already suffered..

        • It is exactly what they use to do and often still do to victims of rape. In court they wouldask the victim what were you wearing, how were you acting, etc. Jodi has taken so much and rarely showed how it was getting to her. She is emotionally stronger then I would of been in her shoes.

          • Yes, me too, Jennifer. How she has kept silent for the past 4 months I really don’t know.

            One hateful person on the TA site said she wanted her to ”lose it”. If I had these people in fron of me for just 5 minutes.. makes me so angry.

            • They have so much hate in their hearts!! I try to turn all bad things over to God because I can’t stand having that negative energy inside me. The things they say are terrible.

      • There is an article on the NY Times today about the wife of the alleged Boston bomber Tamerlane Tsarnaev. Regardless of him being guilty or not ( I’ll believe it when proofs are produced,) she has all the markings of a young abused wife who was fine and dandy until she met him, quit college, converted to Islam became very devout, married him, with child, became isolated from family and friends, supported him with her wages, got almost talked into moving to Dagestan to be isolated some more, became quiet when husband was around but animated when he was not, and neighbors heard loud voices coming from their appartment, and the two brothers kept speaking Russian which she did not understand in front of her.

        • Viri,

          What do you mean when you say the “proofs” are produced? are you talking about proof or something specific with regard to the pictures of him?

          • The FBI maintained that they had pictures of the younger brother putting the bag down at explosion site #2, and pictures of the elder brother before with bag and after without bag at explosion site #1, which convinced them that they were the ones who did it. I have not seen any of these convincing pictures yet to be convinced as well. There were quite a few other people around walking, standing with big black bags as well.

  14. I was just reading on wildabouttrial’s twitter page – he thinks the verdict will be announced Monday afternoon. Thoughts?

    • Actually, if that’s the case that could be a good thing. A quick verdict usually favors the defense.

      • It should. I can’t even fathom the jury would vote to convict on Murder One especially.

        That would tell you the jury was tainted.

        The fact the entire prosecution’s case was compromised before the trial should cause the jury to completely and totally throw out the case.

        There is nothing to show anything other than self-defense. Nothing. The ME was either incompetent or a perjurer (most likely the latter), but if HE is suspect, you can’t as a juror arrive at any decision to convict. The autopsy photos mean NOTHING unless you have a report that is reliable enough to interpret those photos. The ME’s report and testimony are central to the state’s case, and if he can’t be believed, a juror HAS to throw out the case. Same for the detective’s report(s) and testimony.

        However, the worst thing about this case is the fact the prosecutor felt he had to undermine the justice system by having his chief detective and especially his medical examiner lie for him. I know this sometimes happens in murder trials, but this isn’t just ANY murder trial. This case has gotten national and international attention from almost the beginning. The LAST thing Martinez should have done was tamper with witnesses. He didn’t do the Alexander family any favors by pulling stunts like this. He knows he should have negotiated a plea from Day One, and it would have been over with.

        As far as I am concerned, Martinez, Flores, and Horn should all be doing jail time.

        • I agree TS! You would think the Jury knowing that the ME and Detective altered their testimony that that would just about blow their entire case out of the water!!! How could they trust ANYTHING they say, or any theory that they presented??? And why aren’t Martinez and the bunch sitting in jail right now or having charges brought against them?????

          • The entire state’s case MUST be rejected.

            When you have the most important witnesses for the state commit perjury, you really have nothing for a conviction of anything.

            Martinez, Horn, and Flores all belong in jail.

            The issue is no longer about Jodi Arias; it is about corruption.

            • So absolutely true tonysam.
              They can’t just pass on that. No Way!
              That’s why juan had his tail all in feathers at the closing.
              He knows they are currupt!

              • Unfortunately this happens ALL THE TIME. In my brothers case they took the bullet from the wall after it passed through the man who died. But the bullet was so big it would not fit back into the hole it came from. They were saying the man was shot through the back but that was a lie. Az prosecutors are as low and criminal as they come.

        • tonysam,

          Exactly what I think too, I would jail Horn, the Hughes’, Flores, Martinez and DeMarte, keep them barely alive on bread and water and let them decay.

        • here here!!! along with Judge Stephens….never have I ever seen a Judge so blatantly biased towards one side, or allow some of the most tainted testimony be presented as evidence yet not allow other evidence to be presented that would of helped a defendant prove her case.
          When you have many other seasoned, famous Judges get on national television and publicly scold a Judge, you know it’s not in your imagination. I have not heard ONE other Judge support how she ran this trial. Has anyone else?

    • They had four months…they listened…they took notes…they asked questions…they shouldn’t take long at all to come to a verdict…

        • I am guessing here…

          Monday…the first day they will sort through the evidence….

          Tuesday…the second day they will go over the evidence…

          Wednesday morning…the third day they will have their verdict…

          • I’d say this trial deserves at least a week of deliberations. The amount of money, time,energy spent on this trial. :/

            Praying for Jodi!

            • NK…

              We heard that not all states allow the jurors to ask questions….but Arizona does…this is the reason that I feel that they will come to a verdict within three days…most of their questions were asked and answered…

              • That is true. The only thing that would stall that a bit is if the jurors are divided, and one side has to convince the other. Questions can be answered, that does not mean it would fully convince/satisfy the jurors. But you do make a good point!

  15. They wanted justice for Travis? Well it would have been served If JM would have taken the plea deal
    None of this would’ve come out. So now Jodi’s. a liar And none of this happened. Sorry the Bell has be ringing for 4 months. Jodi will walk away With. The same sentence As the plea deal.

    • Mr. Juanderful wouldn’t of gotten the fans he did and the state wouldn’t be millions in debt if he would of allowed the deal to go through.

      • That’s right Jennifer. This is a guy who believes ALL murders should carry the death penalty whether premeditated or not.

        • I wonder why he went to law school? Oh hit I forgot he went to college in Never Never Land. He walked on the yellow brick road that lead from his castle where he and the other dwarves live.

      • Damn your right what was I thinking? Now if it’s a hung jury they can do it all over again. Speeking of that if it turns out that way can they come offer a please deal at that time?

        Oh BTW the reason the jury doesn’t. work on the weekend. is because. it would cost to mch. for protection… overtime you know.

        • oh no a few more thousand dollars to the millions already spent…we wouldn’t want that!!

        • I think, after the hoopla about the millions already spent on this case, that there might be a good shot at a favorable plea deal if the jury hangs.

          • Since when? Last I heard they were all headed home yesterday afternoon.

              • That is about the stupidest thing I ever heard. Let them be out and about DURING the trial to see and hear all the haters but sequester them when in deliberations??

              • Where did you hear they would be sequestered? I’ve not seen that anywhere.

  18. AA,

    Glad to see you’re up and about again. Did you manage the stuff at work?

    joujoubaby

    Still a Subaru, sturdy and reliable, got you there. Better than a Camry though, no slipping and sliding.

    I’m sort of glad the jury decided on a 9-4:30 type of schedule starting on Monday. That signals to me, if one can in fact receive such signals from a jury’s actions, that they believe there is stuff to deliberate. That is good.

    Amongst all of the side bars and assorted other delays, a lot of evidence has been presented in the last 4+ months. The narrative, especially for the defense, is not in the closing arguments. The prosecutions case was summed up in the closing, but to get the complete defense case the jury needs to sift through that case. We, on the outside have an advantage over the jury. We have discussed this case in real-time. Even on this page we, from time to time, have had to convince each other of certain interpretations of the facts or the law. If the jury has followed the admonition, they have not had that opportunity.

    It is clear from the jury questions that there are some on the jury who have looked at some witnesses with skepticism. The questions have been a mixed bag. Some seem to favor the defense, others the prosecution. Shy of the situation where the prosecution is just not believed, the next best thing for Jodi is a questioning jury. Such a jury will delve into the evidence, and the evidence presented here does not support JM’s narrative.

    I also believe it is good that we have a weekend between the close of arguments and the onset of deliberations. Unless those jurors are capable of magnificent feats of repression, they are formulating their thoughts as the weekend wears on. As they do that, they will be asking themselves a lot of questions. Except for those who may have whole-heartedly bought the state’s argument, the questions will bubble up to the top. When they start deliberations on Monday each will have a concise list of what they want to discuss. That is good. It allows for an orderly discussion.

    Now, an orderly discussion is somewhat problematic for the state. There are two things with any evidence or testimony. The first is a clear statement of a fact or claim and the second is the inference that may be drawn from that fact or claim. I this case both sides are asking the jury to draw very large and diametrically opposed inferences from the facts. It is good that certain things happened in that one day rebuttal. Firstly, I believe that the ME was thoroughly discredited. That is good because the state wants the jury to draw certain conclusions from the ME’s testimony. The second thing was that the defense put up a pretty good rebuttal of DeMarte’s claptrap. This again is important, because it adds to the veracity of ALV and Samuels, and their testimony is the cornerstone of the defense’s narrative.

    So, as this jury gets ready for deliberation they go in with fresh memories of the state’s blunder in the comportment of Horn, Flores and DeMarte. That is good. They also go in with the most powerful argument that the defense has in this case. It is the behavior of Jodi and TA once Jodi got to Mesa. That behavior undercuts the whole argument of a cold blooded killer with a well thought out plan.

    • It wasn’t just a “blunder,” Al; what Martinez did was tamper with witnesses.

      All three of these stooges should be doing jail time for the stunts they have pulled.

      I cannot believe the whole thing, ESPECIALLY Horn’s answer to the JUROR’S question about the dura mater. He INSULTED the jury by coming up with a bullshit excuse about the report. Of course the report was accurate, but he chose to commit perjury to save Martinez’s ass.

      It was as bad a thing as could possibly happen in a trial, especially a trial that has had national and international attention.

      Horn should be run out of town on a rail.

      • Absolutely. Not to put too fine a point on it, they fucked with the truth.

        I hope the jury sees that. They have to.

        This prosecution team seems to have forgotten that their job is to see justice done, not get a conviction. They may believe that a certain outcome is the justice they desire, but they are not allowed to tell lies and twist the evidence to achieve that goal. The ends never justify the means. A just end is one that is reached through the proper means.

        I think Horn’s testimony is tainted beyond recovery as is his reputation and you are right he ought to be tarred, feathered and run out of town. Defense lawyers for years are going to have a whale of a time with this guy’s testimony in this case.

        • If something IS made of it -Horn’s lies as well as Flores’, and by extension the misconduct of Martinez…

          They could be in a boatload of shit from previous convictions, couldn’t they? Every case any of them had anything to do with?

        • Thank you, Al and Tonysam, for highlighting this particular disaster (among several). Horn has blood on his hands.

  19. Ha, I came across the prosecutor support site and it was just too tempting.. funny no one has managed to answer my questions, instead they tell me to take a f***ing sleeping pill!

    LOL

    One of my questions was, why, if she had premeditated it, didn’t she have TA come to CA where there is no death penalty!

    The haters know they are lying! WTF!

  20. I found this quote and thought that it would go along GREAT with todays title and video.

    Get all the fools on your side and you can be elected to anything.
    –Frank Dane

  21. And yet another Quote that I find fitting for HLN!

    “People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought which they seldom use.”
    ― Søren Kierkegaard

    • I think he could but probably won’t because he wouldn’t accept the one offered before the trial. And I think the prosecution usually asks the family and the Alexanders are out for blood.

      • you are right Jennifer…

        they are out for blood…this is a vampire trial…

  23. one last quote that I feel describes all of the Jodi haters out there who feel she deserves the death penalty.

    “You are not entitled to your opinion. You are entitled to your informed opinion. No one is entitled to be ignorant.”
    ― Harlan Ellison

    • How do these people not know it about themselves? They need no information; they all think they’re so goddamn smart, they intuit the truth. Eff.

  25. MY GOD I NEARLY SPEWED ON MY COMPUTER! As I am not from America I try and read some news articles on how the trial is going (its not televised here). I read the article and had a few read of the comments and just couldn’t help but noticing the following comment! Seriously some people are deranged–Travis was a monster not a kind person! Were these people dropped on the head at birth? This is what this chick wrote.

    http://www.hlntv.com/article/2013/05/02/life-balance-jodi-arias-possible-fates

    Joy McQuiston · Top Commenter
    A gentle soul tenderly glided into court today.
    His presence filled the room in a spiritual way.
    He found he could be heard by speaking through.
    Juan Martinez, whose words were solemnly true.

    This tender spirit, like a soft breeze it did appear.
    Past through the doors toward his family so dear.
    He silently motioned for the prosecutor to proceed.
    And sat among his loved ones to soften their need.

    His story was told loud and clear, leaving no doubt.
    Who the real victim is and what Ms. Arias is all about.
    We may not see him but he is there and with candor.
    A fine man we’ve come to know as Travis Alexander.

    I THINK SOME PEOPLE HAVE A SERIOUS CASE OF THE TA DELERIUMS

    • What??? No way, really? She’s the top commenter? That’s insane. SHE’S insane! Christ Almighty! Where do they come from????

    • I think you’re right, Hayley!!! 🙂

      All the Hearings for the trial are on Youtube 🙂

      **Serious Health Warning!!***

      Watching Martinez’s closing argument can be extremely damaging to anyone’s health.

      He should be sectioned and locked up, imo, along with Chris Hughes, Flores, Dr Demented and Horn.. and I’d feed them on bread and water once a day. You never know, they might eat each other.

    • As I was reading that…I was sure that she was going to mention that the cell phone ringing during Nurmi’s closing was a deliberate interruption from Travis Alexander to cause a halt in the courtroom…because Travis was A N G R Y at Nurmi…

    • Hi Hayley,

      Which part of Australia are you from? Aus is a big place! My friend’s son lives in Melbourne 🙂

  26. I checked out that guys site. Wow. He is a combination of Travis and Juan Martinez. Lot’s of hate not only for Jodi but for the entire Arias family and the defense team and he is more than proud of the fact.

    I never cease to be amazed at the way people think.

    • It is sickening how he attacks her family. They are not the one on trial as the pedo huggers often say about TA.

      • It is against the law to threaten someone over the internet!

        Does this guy need to be reported to the FBI?

        • I don’t know I didn’t personally go to the site I just show on the video a spot on his page where he is putting Jodis mom down for her size and others have said he really is evil when talking about them.

            • The Arias family can sue if they can show damages such as losing a job, mental duress, or people not going to their restaurant because of the slander.

              • Sue HLN! If the jury votes for an acquittal, Jodi is going to have to go into hiding. She’ll have a tough time finding a job because of all this hate spewed by HLN. They deserve to be sued.

  27. I am really very tired of people slamming. KN for what he said about not liking. JODI 9 out of 10 days. He was making a point….people!!!!!! I personally thought it was brilliant

    • As Jennifer says, there can be no sense or sense of humour for the senseless!

    • I agree Cindy. That smile from Jodi when KN said that made me smile. I love that picture SJ put up of Jodi’s smile. That is my favorite pic of her!

      • Ditto!! That photo is AMAZING!! She is almost glowing in it. You see that although the next several days will be the hardest part of the last four months it seemed as if all the weight she was carrying on her shoulders had suddenly lifted.

      • Yes! She just lit up when Nurmi got his great point across! I felt a lightening of her soul then. I bet Jodi is feeling very relieved that the trial is finally over! The five years the case has taken to even get to court,,,plus four months of verbal abuse from the persecutor is cruel and unusual punishment!

        Lets direct our positive energy to the jurors..and pray that they really and truly serve justice for Jodi.

        love

    • I agree!

      I thought it was terrific…I think one of the many things it does is show the jury that he is not under any kind of attraction to Jodi.

      I’m surprised Kermit didn’t try to accuse KN of having feelings for her or something, unless he did and I missed it.

      I would love to be friends with jodi, but I can also see how her intelligence and hyper-literalness could affect some people with lower self esteems in a negative manner and I think KN was just trying to show that a person doesn’t have to like someone all the time in order to believe them or want to save their life.

      • I’m sure Kermit might have hinted about Kirk being attracted to Jodi in his rebuttal, had Kirk not held him off at the pass with his statement. It was a brilliant move.

          • Yes. The ‘witch entrapping all men’ personality model does not fit this defendant 🙂

      • “I’m surprised Kermit didn’t try to accuse KN of having feelings for her or something, unless he did and I missed it.”

        BeeCee: Actually, when Nurmi said that he didn’t like Jodi on 9 days out of 10 Kermit objected!
        I thought that was kind of funny.

    • And I can’t tell you how many times I have heard that being said over the years “I don’t like you” from both husbands and wives….and they were only pissed off at the other one when they said it…and all loovey dovey later when they cooled off…

    • I agree Cindy. Jose kind of did the same thing with Casey. he called her a slut and a liar but said you can’t convict her because of that.

  28. Travis is closer to the Joe Carol character on The Following than he is to being Presidential material. That guy on the other site actually said Travis could’ve been President. LOL.
    Travis knew how to push peoples buttons and how to manipulate everyone but the high and mighty don’t want to hear that.
    They are still drinking the Travis Kool-Aid. The Travis Taliban reminds me of the Manson Family. We’ll kill for you Travis!

    • Travis for President? Ya right..shows how bright that guy is…I guess Jerry Sandusky would be getting a free pass w/ a Presidential Pardon if that ever would of happened…Yes, he’d make a fine President! so far out in left field…these people are bizarre…..

    • Can you image a Presidential campaign with Eddie Snell videos popping up everywhere. During a presidential election..the opposing party will dig up a video of a canidate stealing a grape at the age 2. Ya Right! Presidential???

      • And when I watched Travis perform in that Eddie Snell video…he kept hiking his leg up like a dog…and shaking on his crotch area…and you could see the back side of the people’s head and they looked down at his crotch when he was doing that…so disgusting…yet he enjoyed every minute of it…

  29. Just checking in briefly – my wife told me I had got too involved in Jodi’s case, and of course she is right to some extent. But I have leant a bunch of things in the process.

    I have done what I could, now is the time to rest and let the jury work it out.

    Remember the good juror questions : at least some, and hopefully most, of these jurors were not fooled by Martinez’ stupid antics.

    Bye for now!

    • see you soon geebee!

      spend some quality time with your wife..hehe

      and thanks for all the work you have done in this case!

    • thanks for all of your hard work geebee…I loved reading your comments and your links….sending prayers of blessings for you and your wife for all the hard work and the patience to see it through to the end….

  31. Is anyone else concerned that, after all the dirty dealings of the prosecutor and the judge, that the ‘alternates’ might have been pre-selected?

    • yes…I had thought the same exact thing yesterday…money buys people…

      • The clerk seemed to barely glance at the tiny bits of paper, and no one else looked at them at all. Should have been verified by all counsel before the numbers were announced.

          • I did think that it was a bit coincidental that the juror who had hearing problems was chosen as an alternate. I know that his hearing device gave him problems at least once; maybe they were concerned that he missed some testimony.

    • Yes, I have. They have been so, SO dirty, why stop now? I don’t put ANYTHING past them!

    • It crossed my mind Journee, because after the Horn/Flores lies, I don’t trust the state at all now. I wonder why Arizona Central isn’t doing a story on THAT?

    • Anyone else think that the dismissed juror 8 was maybe sending a message to the jurors that he was pro defense? Apparently he wasn’t at JM’s closing on Thursday but was at the defense’s on Friday and he was sitting as far away as he could from the pro pros side– right next to the wall on the defense side.

      • He was sitting in the same seat that the lady juror sat in; beside his wife. The prosecution side is only
        For the Alexander family and media.

  32. @Jennifer, you seem like a really sweet person so please don’t be offended with my response to you. I just wanted to respond to your comment ‘When that MONSTER molested TA as a child he inadvertently caused the actions the day of TA’s death’. I was sexually abused a lot when I was younger (as well as physical, emotional verbal and still sexually abused later on but not so much.

    Travis Alexander like all of us has free will. What happened to him is awful, trust me I know but it never gave him the right to treat Jodi like a piece of dirt. This is not directed at you. I am so sick of people saying, oh well they were a victim of abuse and the cycle got repeated. This is exactly why victims don’t speak out, they fear that people will think they will abuse their own children and/or others and won’t make fit parents. It is disgusting label you are stuck with and you have already been through so much.

    I have never told anyone about my dad raping me – this is the first time on here tonight 🙁 Some people know about the physical-I have posted before, some of friends are beginning to find out about the beatings but I have few people I can speak too. I feel so much for Jodi. My father has cut off nearly all my friends. He tells people I am crazy so I know where Jodi is coming from. I haven’t been on the forums much here because we have had the police here a few times. The jodi haters say, why didn’t Jodi report the abuse? If TA was anything like my father (a complete two faced- one for the public and one for the home, then I am even more shattered for her).

    Last Sunday, I thought I was going to die. My dad was incredibly violent. He hit me across the face, I tried to leave but he wouldn’t let me. He shoved me into the wall. He dragged me by my hair all down the hallway and if I got half the chance to wriggle away, he would stomp on my chest, pound the boot into me at every chance. It was kick after kick into the chest. I felt like I was going to vomit. I was begging him to stop but he wouldn’t and he was being verbally abusive in the most awful way. Then he jumped on my legs and held my thighs- I thought he was going to rape me–he threatened to. It was just constant and I kept blacking out. He went out into the garden and I rang the police. I thought at last that maybe I would be listened to….No

    The same as last time. They said his word against mine and their hands are tied. In fairness to the cops I didn’t bother showing them my chest or thighs I felt disgusting and violated (they were both males) My dad is well known so it was a lost cause. No wonder Jodi felt hopeless. But I tell you what. Everyday I wake up tell myself I will never be like my father. When I have kids. I will be their safe place to fall. Just because you have been abused doesn’t give you the right to abuse another. You know the terrible pain and should be the warrior for the vulnerable. I have no sympathy for TA.

    • Hi Hayley.. can you get yourself to the hospital? get the bruises documented..are you too young to leave the house? where is your Mom?

      Just because your Dad is well known doesn’t mean that it is a lost cause..

      HUGS

      • Hey Pat,
        I went to the hospital last time (not the one I posted about before). I had a lump on my head and my face was bruised. I only went because I couldn’t see properly. Everyone in the emergency department knows my Dad. First I lied for my Dad but the doctor I think knew and was firing so many questions it was impossible to lie and the truth came out. Just I felt alone and scared because the police had just left the house and I was made out to be a liar. My mum sides with my dad. They are very catholic and I have disgraced the family reporting it. I am 25 but moving out is hard because I have a disability.

        My dad knows the superintendent of the police department. He knows four senior police officers. My uncle who is a senior rank officer who is now retired and well respected amongst all the cops works for my Dad’s company basically still lives at the police station. They basically have closed ranks.

        My dad is a devoted catholic as is my mum. Everyone in the town just raves about him. One minute he will spin into a rage but then as soon as the phone rings he will melt to butter.

        No, I would have to go a place much further away (safe haven). They are in secret locations and the referrals are made by the police or women’s agencies. Yes my dad knows staff that work there too.

        He says if I leave home he will kill Mum and my sister. My sister also gets violent and that is so hard. She punched my dad and i totally understand but then she held a knife to my parents. When the police came, they all lied and basically the police just looked at me like I am flith.

        Yet my Mum has openly admitted to counsellor who I see for my disability since. I can’t speak to him about the home stuff because he was shocked about the knife so obviously he was born in another world.

        I am not too young to leave the house but my dad is a control freak. He confiscates my phone and personal possessions when he sees fits. I have very few friends. Thank god he can’t work a computer but he takes that off me too.

        My sister always gets into my computer. Yeah I don’t know what to do. Australia is a little bit different to America–the issue seems so taboo here and I think I will just get up one day and disappear.

        • Hayley.. I live in Canada but have an old friend in Sydney…you really need to get out of there sweetie…

          Ask admin for my email..you need a plan honey..

        • Get out there! Someway, somehow, just make a plan and leave. There are places to go and people to help. Look for a women’s shelder…not in the town you live.

    • How old are you? If you are a minor, the police have to call dhs or similar as they are mandatory reporters for child abuse. I would send pictures and emails to the police and dhs . That might get the ball rolling.

    • Sorry for your experiences Haley…My sisters and I and especially my Mother went thru similar abuse w/ my Father, but no sexual abuse w/ us girls. The cops came out to the house many times when neighbours (sp)would call.(never my Mother..stick that up your A@@ JM, not all abuse victims report!!)
      There was one instance where my middle Sister had to pull out a knife and threaten my Father to stop beating the crap out of our Mother..Finally the cops told my Mom after one visit that either she gets my Father out of the house or CSD would take us girls away..she did divorce him but then re-married him several years later when we girls were grown up. SO NOT ALL ABUSE VICTIMS REPORT! This is part of the reason why I couldn’t stand JM’s handling of the DV aspect of this case, and especially disrespecting ALV! I wish my Mother would of been able to see someone like her!!! My Parents are both gone now, and believe it or not, I actually forgive my Father, as he was an alcoholic and was beaten by his Father regularly…and he did stop drinking and didn’t hit my Mom anymore. With my Dad there was a cycle of abuse with him…
      I don’t know your age, or living situation at the moment, but if your Father is still abusing and hurting you you need to put distance between yourself and him until he gets some help, for your own safety!

    • Hayley you have to do something, you can’t just sit there and be a sitting duck for when your dad wants to abuse you. He might end up killing you. You just have to go somewhere out of there, there must be a shelter for battered women, please do a google search, please, Hayley do it now, you Have to tell someone. If the police won’t do anything don’t go to them, find a woman or anyone in a safe haven for battered women, please?.

      (((((((((hugs))))))))))

      You have to get out of there. Please will you do this?

      Love from Heather

    • Hayley, perhaps SJ on here can help you. Do a reply to the email he sends you and ask him if he can alert someone for you?

      I’m very concerned for you, you mustn’t suffer this any more, not one more second of it.

      Please?

      • (((Hayley)))

        You and your sister need to get out of that house! Do you have a friend, counselor, anyone who is not under the influence of your father? I’m so sorry that you are going through this. You are in my prayers, sweetie.

    • Oh gosh Hayley I hope one day you will be free of that evil evil man.

      It’s a catch 22 isn’t it? If you report it, you’re a liar. If you don’t report it, you’re a liar. And it’s always about protecting the perp’s reputation.

      I am saddened and disgusted that in the “civilized” world this still happens. How dare any society call itself civilized when females are being raped by the males in their life.

      I am sickened and saddened by your story, and you are incredibly brave for sharing with us, no the world, what has happened to you. I was wondering where you were, why you left. I’m glad you came back here to check in and open your heart to us. Please continue to do so in the future, as I will worry for you. <3

      And I totally agree about Travis. I don't think anyone would hold it against him for having the issues he had. It's what he did with his issues that I am so pissed about. You're right – just because he was abused it does NOT mean he had a right to lay a cross hand on Jodi, ever. Anyone who says otherwise sides with rapists and abusers.

  33. Everyone have a great Morning and rest of the dday. I have house work to do today and I want to watch Nurmis closing from yesterday!!
    Thanks again all for your prayers!!! God Bless YOU ALL!!
    Remember to pray for Jodi and her family tonight!!

  34. It ironic that Travis intended to kill Jodi and ended up dead instead and now the State of Arizona is intending to kill Jodi for defending herself.

    I used to be really pro DP. The older I get the more liberal I get. There is a place for the DP but to use it people better be damn certain that it is 100% justified. 99% doesn’t cut it. This case is definitely not it.

  35. I missed KN closing statements after their lunch break, so, I don’t know if this is his statements or not…but, I heard a lawyer on everyone’s favorite network (wink) say in regards to premeditation, “who gets a manicure, and pedicure knowing that they are going to get in a knife battle? ” I think that is another good point that this was not premeditated. I think KN closing statements were really good. I also think that “if” the jury comes back with anything higher than M2 , it will only be because of fear, and intimidation from the media, and the public.

    • I heard that comment too about the mani and pedi too AG…Nothing in this case screams out Premeditation!!!

      • KN pointed out the numerous times when Jodi could’ve shot or stabbed Travis if that was what she was there to do.
        If people have a live brain cell and any kind of an open mind they know how right KN is.
        She could have killed him in his sleep and she could have killed him in the shower when she was taking the pix of him. Nurmi emphasized that the pic where Travis had his back to Jodi in the shower with his hands up on the wall would’ve been the perfect time to kill him.
        How can the state claim premeditation when she had at least 2 perfect opportunities to kill him and didn’t.
        As KN said. “It doesn’t make sense.”

        Common sense and life experience with an open mind are what the jurors need to have plus the ability and conviction to not allow themselves to be bullied.

        • Exactly Joe, and why would she risk attacking him when he was less vunerable?? (sp) Doesn’t make any sense…

      • Nothing says I’m about to go kill my boyfriend like a mani pedi and a fresh Brazilian!

    • Yes, I heard that, too, A.G, Jodi Has to be aquitted. Her nails would be THE very LAST thing she would be thinking of if she was premeditating a murder!

  36. I do not think that there needs to be any trashing of either family. What happened was between 2 adults, not their families. Name calling just makes people look like children and really accomplishes nothing at all. Both sides have suffered through alot.

    • I agree Sam.
      This site while many of us including me have taken shots at the Alexander siblings doesn’t have pages dedicated to taking pot shots at them.
      That other site has links to each Arias family member.

      The dude running that site is more than proud of himself for trying to rip the Arias family apart.

    • I admit that I’ve called the sisters “Skeletor” and “Oompah Loompah” Why? Because of their inappropriate eye rolling and head shaking in front of the jurors.

      I have no respect for those that can’t respect our judicial system ..

  37. Thought I’d post somrething on the Daily Mail page.. the Daily Mail is a British newspaper.. they would not allow me to post! I tried 3 times. I wasn’t abusive at all.

    No prizes for guessing who they support..

      • Pat, on the net MSN has an article on this case….very many mistakes, even saying there were OVER 30 stab wounds..this supposedly from a ‘Dateline” reporter who has “covered” the case…right then and there I thought how can we trust anything we read now a days??????? And you don’t even want to read the comments beneath that article…disgusting!

          • I thought so, Kira! Hard to get over that people don’t want the truth, isn’t it, I can’t understand it and never will. It stares them in the face and still they won’t have it.

  38. Good morning, Prayers to Jodi, and all of her family. I thought J.Willmot and K nurmi did a wonderful job throughout the trial. I thought K. Nurmi did a wonderful job in closing. He spoke to the jury,talked to them sincerely, easy layman’s terms. I think he really connected with the jury. Just like he said, he was shining the light of truth. He put the spotlight directly on the prosecution’s table. Highlighting JM, florez and then added in dr. horn. Fantastic job!!

  39. Hey Pat,
    I went to the hospital last time (not the one I posted about before). I had a lump on my head and my face was bruised. I only went because I couldn’t see properly. Everyone in the emergency department knows my Dad. First I lied for my Dad but the doctor I think knew and was firing so many questions it was impossible to lie and the truth came out. Just I felt alone and scared because the police had just left the house and I was made out to be a liar. My mum sides with my dad. They are very catholic and I have disgraced the family reporting it. I am 25 but moving out is hard because I have a disability.

    My dad knows the superintendent of the police department. He knows four senior police officers. My uncle who is a senior rank officer who is now retired and well respected amongst all the cops works for my Dad’s company basically still lives at the police station. They basically have closed ranks.

    My dad is a devoted catholic as is my mum. Everyone in the town just raves about him. One minute he will spin into a rage but then as soon as the phone rings he will melt to butter.

    No, I would have to go a place much further away (safe haven). They are in secret locations and the referrals are made by the police or women’s agencies. Yes my dad knows staff that work there too.

    He says if I leave home he will kill Mum and my sister. My sister also gets violent and that is so hard. She punched my dad and i totally understand but then she held a knife to my parents. When the police came, they all lied and basically the police just looked at me like I am flith.

    Yet my Mum has openly admitted to counsellor who I see for my disability since. I can’t speak to him about the home stuff because he was shocked about the knife so obviously he was born in another world.

    I am not too young to leave the house but my dad is a control freak. He confiscates my phone and personal possessions when he sees fits. I have very few friends. Thank god he can’t work a computer but he takes that off me too.

    My sister always gets into my computer. Yeah I don’t know what to do. Australia is a little bit different to America–the issue seems so taboo here in Aus. Here in Aus fam violence etc gets tiptoed around by the authorities until it is too late. I think I will just get up one day and disappear.

    • Haley!!!!! YOU NEED TO DO SOMETHING ASAP!!!!!! Are there any agencies that you can go to, safehouse, any relatives that you could stay with in safety????? Your Dad will not kill your Mom if you leave!!!! He is trying to control you!!!!! Trust me, there are people out there that can help you!!!! there is no need for you to suffer this abuse!!! Maybe someone on here can help you!!! And maybe one of your friends can help you out….please hang in there!!! But something needs to be done and you need to get out!!
      My prayers are with you! I know you will be ok, you just need to get distance from him! There is help out there for you!!

        • Hayley,

          Let SJ know whereabouts you are in Australia.He could possibly help you.

          Please do this ((((hugs))))

    • IMO, as an American, I feel the issue is still taboo over here too. Whenever anyone famous gets accused of rape they automatically call the victim a gold-digging whore, or accuse her of lying.

      We say we are so advanced in terms of women’s rights, but how can we, if women are not secure in their bodies and minds enough to look out for their own interests without being stonewalled at every turn?

      We have a looooong way to go.

  40. Well, I hope you all have a wonderful weekend.

    I cannot help but think about the haters. They are praying and fasting for a strangers death. And if their prayers are answered, and all of their fake virtual friends have moved on and gone on with their pathetic lives, I wonder how many of these people will then be haunted with what they have done in the name of “group think.”

    They are praying to their “God” that some one dies.

    They will have to look themselves in the eyes in their mirrors forever.

  42. The problem is that so many people will believe whatever the media tells them to believe. The media wouldn’t lie to us. It’s really pathetic how people allow themselves to be led around like sheep.

    My dad is like that. I love the guy to death but if the news says something it’s gospel to him. You could witness something and tell my dad about it but until he hears it on the news or reads it in the paper it’s not true.
    There are too many people like that.

  43. They can say all the negative things they want to, however the bottom line yesterday. Kirk Nurmi exposed Travis for who he really was. He had sexually assulted Jodi on at least 2 occasions, he abused her, he is a pervert and pedo. Good job Nurmi. Travis did it to himself, all in his own words. lol

  44. May I make a suggestion that anyone with the time and resources, begin taking screenshots and saving web pages of anything that is likely to be removed from the Internet after trial. Examples: Chad Perkins post on TA’s myspace, Soldier Hollow site showing board member CS, article about Soldier Hollow principal’s arrest, TA’s blog, JA’s blog, written articles of interviews by any of TA’s or JA’s friends. I think once this is over certain factions will try to bury anything that may taint the image of TA, LDS or PPL (now Legal Shield). Also, remember the names of that group of PPL/LDS people. I predict we’re going to see some fall out in the future.

    • We have been taking screen shots for months. I have sent screen shots to Ms.Willmott, to the police in small towns where it was clear someone was forming a plan of violence.

      A lot of these folks will find out how important a fair defense is, when shit comes knocking on their door.

      • I hope none of us is ever faced with prosecution. The very foundations of our country rests on the idea that every person is innocent until proven guilty, that everyone is entitled to a fair and speedy trial, and that we can only judge by the evidence. People scream we have become a Nanny state, yet they can overlook the State trying to convict a person on circumstances. We should all be vigilant that it is never the State vs the People. But I guess I’m wasting my breath, we’ve been living Orwell’s 1984 for decades now. Resistance is futile. Media reinforces the hive mind.

      • Hopefully Alyce will sue the sister who started that encouragement of hate crime and amazon crime against her…she’ll need those screen shots for evidence…

      • I’m glad you’re doing the screen shots. I came to this trial very late and have had to do a lot of catch up just to know what it was all about.

  45. Today is my daughter Jodi’s 24th birthday! I feel extra close to Jodi in part because she and my daughter have the same name and spell it the same. That might be strange but that’s how it is for me.

    • Yes, kmea…Krista, the author of that petition, is one of us. Please do tell all your friends to sign it. We need to stop this blatant abuse of the 1st Amendment.

      • The 1st Amendment is so misunderstood and misused it’s ridiculous. People believe that they can say what they want, when they want to who they want and that’s simply not true.
        There are exceptions to Freedom of Speech.

        • You are so right, Joe. Here’s something I mentioned in an earlier post:

          “As we know, the First Amendment doesn’t allow people to yell “Fire” in a crowded theater. Why, because it creates a dangerous environment. The environment created by HLN with their flagrantly biased reporting is very dangerous and there must be something, as Team Jodi, that we can do about it.”

      • I thought so and I will, I signed it and will put in on my twitter, I have a work twitter thru Fox, I am going to see if I can sneak it on, orrrrr, could one of you, like my work twitter page and post this on there, then I will retweet it? I think this is important!

        https://twitter.com/FOX9

        • I mean follow, dur, I tweeted this on my personal twitter just now too, thank you Krista for making this, it is so important, as is this website for Jodi. Like you said I do not see Nancy go after people that she really needs to go after, only what will get her bigger and better ratings, she is just awful. Where was she during this trial? My daughters dance recital was last night and I took her best friend with us to a place that her mom used to take her and I thought of this, her mom was murdered, in cold blood, truly, she was, not Travis, for a mere 170.00 we recently found out, her name is was Tereasa B, here is what happened to her and barely a peep since it all happened, she was a fighter, Tereasa and she went after these guys that were hurting the bar owner so the knife got turned on her, then they burned them all, was this not sexy enough for you Nancy Grace?
          http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2012/10/18/denver-bar-fire-arrests/1640921/

    • kmea, I have just signed it and got about 20 people to sign, well, they know about it on FB.

      Thanks for that 🙂

  49. I am so glad this is almost over (although I suspect I will be experiencing some measure of withdrawal.) Maybe soon I can stop grinding my teeth and biting my nails.

  50. Just to say that Matt McCartney, in the end, was loyal to his friendship with Jodi. Mr. Martinez did his best to put doubt about that into Jodi’s mind. Good for you Matt. It is more rare to see that these days. Also to Jodi’s mom and dad. I know you and your family are also suffering and you have been in my prayers. I know the Alexander’s are in pain and their pain is acknowledged by many but few think think or care about the pain of the accused person’s family. No matter what happens, there is still hope as nothing stays the same. That is the one sure thing about life. Things do change and so do people. “Love is better than anger. Hope is better than fear. Optimism is better than despair. So let us be loving, hopeful and optimistic.” A quote of a great Canadian.

    • I know Joe. They would’ve probably came up with a verdic already! Idk why the judge would send them home.

    • The State of Arizona says it is to save money. They would have to pay overtime to the bailiff, etc. to have the courthouse open for the weekends. Penny wise, pound foolish.

  52. Roommate Brint Hiatt, this guy was a lot bigger then TA. He was on NG yesterday and now HLN is replaying what he had to say about Jodi over and over again. Most likely so that the jury can hear what he had to say. But something telks me HE can be the other person, the intruder, or that HE knew something. This roommate is huge guy, even bigger then TA.

    • In the future everyone will be famous for 15 minutes will soon be changed to: In the future everyone will be Travis Alexander’s roommate.

        • Seems funny to me, he had all the “friends” and not one of them came knocking until Sunday? I have friends I talk to and text daily…if I didn’t respond in a 24 hr period they would be calling and knocking down the door. I don’t think he had friends..just a bunch of church people and work people he could “show boat” around. These roommates were not friends, they were more like dorm mates with no common interest, except maybe being Mormon.

  53. File this under 15 nanoseconds of something less than fame, there’s this chick on youtube, grousing about her boyfriend Bobby Juarez. I couldn’t even get past a few seconds of it.

      • I really couldn’t watch the video. She lives in Hawaii and I thought I read somewhere that JA’s Bobby Juarez was living in Hawaii. If you watch the video, give us a summary. However, I warn you, you’ll be throwing minutes of your life away on this one.

          • Sometimes I wonder about the different choices and forks in the road. Like would the trial have been the same if it was Bobby Juarez dead in the shower.

        • I’m actually not convinced that is real. The one photo of the redhead and bobby looks photoshopped.

          I have searched the net for bobby…and for someone who is allegedly still alive he has no presence. Now, his lack of digital footprint fits more with him being dead…

          • Type in Bobby Juarez Honolulu, you’ll come to Twitter / josemcyntire, pix of BJ, stating he lived in Hawaii, Medford, Yreka.

            • I did see those and they are not confirmation that the dude is actually still alive and is creating his own digital footprint, which is what the redhead is saying.

          • Did anyone notice the hispanic looking guy, sitting in front of the family the day court went into overflow the other day. Black hair, parted in the middle, olive drab shirt – honestly looked like he could’ve been a street person just looking for a place to hang out for the day. But he also looked – to me, based on the exactly two pictures I have seen of a teenager – like he could’ve been Bobby Juarez after a lot of hard years.

  55. I got a dumb Carrie question,,, lmao,,,does the jury still get to go home everyday?? And do they
    deliberate over the weekend?? Ya. That’s actually 2 dumb Carrie questions!! 🙂 🙂 🙂

    • Lol thats not dumb Carrie. I thought they’d stay until they came up with a verdict but yes they went home. I thk its so WRONG! They can go home and watch the media, look online, anything! Its ridiculous!

      • i swear that judge is in with the TA Taliban!! Never heard of not sir questing a jury on a first degree murder care and now learning they get to go home and possibly be tainted from the haters is outrages!!
        But at the same time, I myself have never met or even heard of Jodi arias and i came into this very open minded and i truly believe in my heart and soul that she is innocent and even if I was part of that jury there would be nothing or anyone who could tell me different!! So all we can do is hope the jury or at least one of them that thinks like WE do!!

        • Ok now I’m soooooo even more confused!!! My husband just told me that there is no chance of a hung jury?? Because of the alternates?? Is that true too?? Grrr so CONFUSSED!!

          • There’s always a chance for a hung jury – alternates wouldn’t affect this either way.

            • Ok THANK YOU!! He was thinking that if there was a juror that was undecided then they would go to alternate juror!! BUT THAT WOULD LIKE RUSSIAN ROULETTE!! LOL!!

              • Carrie,

                I read somewhere that your husband is right, except that they do that for the penalty phase only.

              • This is the only case that I ever have followed that I think a hung jury is possible, mainly based on the difference in the questions that were asked.

          • Talking head Beth Karas reported on I think it was Thursday that no jury has been sequestered in more than 80 years but that this one WILL be sequestered during deliberations.

            • I am not buying that B.S. the judge instructed the jurors yesterday to come up with their own schedule which is M-F 9 am -4:30…. stop believing the media.

            • You must have misunderstood Beth Karas, this jury will not be sequestered. They will deliberate from 9 am until 4:30 pm. M-F ..

              • Yes Journee,
                Casey’s jury was sequestered.
                IMO, Especially in such high profile cases, they should be.

                Those 15 jurors have TV’s and most of them computers.
                This trial is all over both. How can they not have seen
                any of it?

          • Well that is better than nothing but it still discombobulates me that they were not from the beginning!! :/

            • They should of been sequestered as soon as closing was over. I wonder if that was a judicial decision or something pertaining to their state law.

  56. The idea that after Jodi has first stabbed Travis in the venacava and he has managed to make his way out of the shower and stand at the sink is pure bullshit. Further bullshit has him receiving a cluster of very shallow stab wounds to the back that are because she cut her hand initially and couldn’t stab hard because of the pain. Well, Mr. brilliant prosecutor if she is ambidextrous like you say why wouldn’t she have just switched hands with the knife and stabbed much deeper? Could it be that he was on top of her and she was fighting for her life? I just hope the jury has enough common sense to see through all the bullshit.

    • The blood spatter at the sink aren’t from a wound to the vena cavae and Juan Martinez knows it. That spatter came from expiration of air or coughing, like if someone’s sinuses are filled with blood. There you go. JM thinks he can scream his lie at the jury and they’ll just go with it, and maybe they will. But we know the truth, and JM’s forensics people know the truth. And the ME knows the truth but chooses to lie.

      If there is one nurse on the jury, they will know it.

      • I’m not a nurse. I’m not a doctor. I haven’t had a science class since I took the easiest thing my college offered to satisfy the requirement (earth science). I’m not Henry Lee. I’m not even Kevin Horn, and I can tell that. You don’t need any medical training whatsoever to see that. All you need is the life experience to know whether you need a band aid or a kleenex.

        • In JM version of the stabbing in the shower…if I was stabbed in the shower, I would be be knocking the person down, running my ass down the bathroom hall to get away! I wouldn’t be walking over to the sink spitting blood in the sink giving the knife wheeling wacko more opportunity to stab again. What the hell…get out of there right away!! It more like he walk over to look at his head wound to see how bad it was.

    • Exactly and if you look at those back wounds on the back it look just like what you said….they are somewhat on the outer sides and it looks like he was on top and she was fighting and stabbing him trying to get herself from under him!!

    • Willis, I agree completely.

      Those stab wounds to the back, the slashes that are shallow, are DEFINITELY caused by Jodi UNDERNEATH him, defending herself, reaching around to stab him to get him OFF her. Thankfully, Wilmott brought that up back in January, the first time the ME was on the stand. I wish Nurmi had repeated it on Friday. JM’s story is just ridiculous.

    • Willis, I thought the exact same thing, I really hope the jurors heard that.

      Anyone feel that his voice wasn’t very convincing?

  57. I too wished KN had walked the jury through at least one possible scenario, perhaps with Travis chasing after her after the gunshot (and spitting into the sink), knocking her down (even though she’s found the knife to protect herself by then), getting on top of her and she goes berserk, slashing away to save her life. As I mentioned once before, I think the neck wound may have even come during the violent struggle with Travis running his own neck across the blade. Travis would be alive today if he had just left it at the gunshot but he was apparently going to teach her a lesson. Big man around town.

    • The one saving grace is that jurors love to play detective. Once they agree how absolutely ridiculous the State’s theory of premeditation is, they will want to solve the mystery of what actually went on in that bathroom. They will carefully go through the crime scene photos (with magnifying glasses if they had them) and try to come up with their own theory or theories. And I expect one will be something like what I proposed above.

    • I do not know how I would react after getting shot in the face, but the comment that ” he should have just left it at the gunshot” is a little off. do you think most people would just be like ” ouch, hey that is ok. I get the point. I will let you leave now”. to me, it would almost be a gut reaction to make some kind of defense response. who knows how one would react. I hope I never have to find out.

      • Yes, that’s exactly what I would have said: “Ouch, ok, yes I get your point!” I certainly wouldn’t go after the person who just shot me. But maybe that’s a female thing.

        • you are going to make a lot of females mad with ” a female thing”, kind of like saying “that time of the month ?”

          • No, I think they will understand exactly what I’m saying…I don’t think that having the good sense to not chase after someone who just shot you (unlike many men who apparently would, according to your original remark) is anything like “that time of the month” which is used against us to discount our feelings and anything we say. No connection at all.

          • Females are taught to be defensive only. If a female is attacked, she is programmed to ESCAPE.

      • If Jodi’s version is accurate, TA was already angry due to drop of camera . If he ran to mirror to see what happened and was spitting blood, he may have been angrier….or stunned. Who knows? CHAOS was a perfect description and that is the one word that stands out in my mind from the defense closing.

        • CHAOS, yes! Plus, I wonder sometimes if Travis wasn’t taking steroids as part of his body building/losing weight project? He had just bought a punching bag, he had that body buddy thing around his arm. I wish the forensics people had tested his blood for steroids.

          Steroids are very popular I hear. If Jodi were defending herself against a guy in a roid rage, I don’t think there ever would have even been a trial. It would have been self defense or manslaughter from the beginning.

          • I’ve wondered about steroids also, especially the way his behavior was escalating.

            But I don’t think the camera was what he was really upset about in that moment… it was just a trigger that tipped him over the boiling point for the second time in less than an hour (remember he raped her in the office just before 5)

            I think he was simmering with rage that she was on her way to see Ryan.

            • OMG Journee, I have thought the same thing! It was one thing for him to see several women at once, but he probably felt VERY threatened by Jodi seeing someone else, because he knew Jodi was monogamous. His whole life was falling apart at that time.

        • He would have been extremely dangerous, totally enraged that his ‘little whore’ and punching bag just blew his nose off.

      • I heard Dr. Drew say last night that he had had patients with gun shot frontal lobe injuries and were ok. He also said some walk out after being shot in frontal lobe. I think the ME didn’t know of that which he spoke and I think the jury question put it in perspective. I believe even though the defense did not pound on the brain injury and dura, that the jury recalls due to the specific question and impeachment. Sometimes less is best and I believe KN covered what he needed to and left some good visuals. I have in my mind a visual of detective F and ME Horn under a shining spot light. Who lied? In the end though, I believe the jury will have to put weight to premeditation with respect to gas cans, etc. and why she would wait and compare that to the brutality of heat of passion in the last 3 minutes. I really don’t think it will matter much to them whether knife or gun first but, if it was unprovoked and she took a knife to one so much bigger and won the battle, how reasonable is that??? Which makes more sense?

        • Also, VP asked each on show last night to use one word to describe KN closing. Beth Karas said that his guests in studio had been too hard on Nurmi. Beth said he was “effective” and JC said “authentic”. I am astounded at the festival like surrounding as presented by HLN. It is like a big football game and waiting for the final touchdown for a huge giddy win. Regardless of how one feels about TA or JA, there are still families on both sides who are suffering and this is not a fun and game type event. One has been murdered and one is on trial for lie. I really see nothing of which to celebrate as it is a sad situation all the way around.

          • Oops. Should have read on trial for LIFE. Certainly not for lies as KN pointed out yesterday.

            Another thought is if jury discounts ME testimony with respect to dura not being intact as per his last appearance, that means gun shot wound (if first, which is most beliveable to me) didn’t disable TA and thus chaotic battle. Even Dr. Drew admits he has patients with frontal lobe gun shot injuries.

            • Even Vinnie Politan said he has a friend from college who was shot in the head, and after all these years, he STILL has the bullet in his head, and he’s a judge.

              • Maybe these HLN hosts sense the winds turning and are trying to recover from their self-imposed lobotomy.

                • Covering their butts so they won’t look as stupid as they did after Casey’s verdict, JUST IN CASE Team Jodi was right all along!

        • That medical examiner obviously forgot his med school training. I can tell you for a fact in at least anatomy and neuroanatomy you learn about the frontal lobe and how damage affects personality and isn’t necessarily a deadly injury. Also the dura mater surrounds the whole brain. To say there was brain damage without going thru dura is so dumb. It’s like saying someone was shot in the heart but the bullet didn’t go thru the skin. I wish the defense had a diagram that showed the skull and layers of tissue outside the brain.

          • You could also say mo blood in the brain because the brain was not injured! He probably bled through the bullet wound itself but if didn’t go through dura, no reason for brain to be bloody.

  58. According to the prosecution Travis just stood there and let Jodi stab him over and over again, just stood there, didn’t fight back. Are they brain dead? No one is going to just stand there and let anyone do anything to them. Juan made a fool of himself. The only closing that made any sense was the defense’s closing..
    This other website owner sounds like a real winner doesn’t he? He sounds like he has the hots for Travis and has fixated on him in a bizarre way. Travis would have made a great president? HA! After everyone heard the sex tape and read those nasty abusive texts and emails he would have been thrown out of the running.
    I actually think and have always believed that Travis’s family and friends are the driving force behind all this Travis online activity. They are trying to get the message across to the jury online, they are hoping the jury reads what they write online. That is why whenever someone writes something in Jodi’s favor they go on the attack. I honestly do believe this.

    • of course both sides have family and friends going online in support of them. is that not kind of the reason for this website— in defense of Jodi. not so odd to have web sites for him too. just do not go to them and read them. just stay with the ones that are for Jodi.

  59. If aliens were to come from outer space and listen only to the closing arguments (knowing that the arguments are based only on facts in evidence) they would have no trouble seeing that there is absolutely no evidence of pre-meditation. But a bunch of (supposed) human beings can’t see far enough past their screaming mantra of “Liar, Liar, Pants on Fire!” to recognize the same thing! It’s absolutely astonishing!

    • All brain activity ceased when The Goblin Martinez declared “SHE ADMITTED IT”. Never mind that Jodi did not admit to 1st degree murder, but to self defense.

  60. One more thing..Juan came off as just being bitter toward Jodi, he sounded like a teenaged girl putting down another girl in his closings.

    • lol lilly…

      He sure does! He would have been a perfect cast member in “Mean Girls”.

    • And equally bitter toward ALV. I can see how someone might presume that the jury members might have a bias against Jodi. But to think that each and every juror is going to have it in for ALV? Or think that she’s a liar b/c she couldn’t remember the name of a client from 20 years ago? Or whether she testified or wrote a report? Or whether she was a key note key note speaker as opposed to a key note break out speaker? Particularly when his big expert was in middle school at the time, and charitably can be described as exaggerating her years of practice. What a keen command of human nature he has doncha know?

        • Basic misogyny, and hoping that the jury will unconsciously go along with it. Between Dr S., ALV and Dr. G., he picked to attack ALV the most (so did the haters) because it’s easier to trash a woman no matter how much credentials and authority she has than it is to trash a man.

        • Because she wasn’t intimidated IN THE LEAST by Martinez’ bluster. “Are you angry at me, Mr. Martinez?” and the time-out comment just stuck in his craw. People in the courtroom LAUGHED at him.

          • True, but Dr. G. laughed his head off at him repeatedly, consistently, and JM barely mentioned him.

              • Okay, Basse. I should have used the word sexism, not misogyny. Basic sexism. IMO, JM attacked ALV more than Dr S. and Dr. G. because she is a woman.

        • Personally I think it’s because she committed the unforgivable sin: she made people laugh at him.

          • Oh! That makes sense when I think of it from HIS viewpoint ( which is difficult to do because i try not to think about him) LOL You’re right.

            • Yep. And Jodi made fun of him too with her Tweets. Kermit does not like to be laughed at or made to look silly by a woman. He’s a petty, misogynistic asshole and I hope to never have to hear his voice again.

              • Me too. I told a friend that i look forward to never hearing his voice again.

            • Can’t see anything from JM’s view because I’m way over three feet tall!!!!!!! 🙂

  61. Whenever I think of the decomp odor in a house for 5 days in June, in Arizona, in summer heat, I think of the Seinfeld episode where Elaine has to take a deep breath before she runs into Jerry’s fumigated apartment looking for a manuscript she left there. I imagine TA’s 2 roommates and girlfriends holding their breaths, running in, grabbing whatever they needed, and running out. I’m also surprised that the dog despite being barricaded downstairs and being fed, wasn’t whimpering, howling, or scratching at the door for his master in the 5 days that TA’s body laid in the shower. Now if it was a cat, it would be understandable;>) (don’t get mad, I’m a cat person).

    • A cat would have sneaked into the bathroom through the pipes and started eating Travis’ toes.

      (I also am a cat person. I’m just realistic. The flat-faced bitch living with me would totally consume my corpse.)

  62. Juan likes to accuse everyone of having the hots for Jodi when, really, it’s him who does. His bitterness and jealousy over never being able to get a girl like her to look at him when he was younger has morphed into absolute bitterness and jealousy. This tall tale he’s telling is his revenge.

    • Same for Nancy and JVM. Nancy oozes envy from her eyeballs because she was never as pretty and intelligent. And JVM, just like Juan, couldn’t get a girl like Jodi. lol

    • Gwen,

      I totally agree. Furthermore, I believe in my heart that Nurmi acted a little distant with Jodi so that feeble-brained Juan did no accuse him of having “feelings” for Jodi. I think it was part of the strategy to feed that stupid troll, Juan.

    • I shudder to say this, but he probably jerks off to the nude pix. I just haven’t figured out whether it would be the photos of TA or JA.

  63. I worked until 9 last night and was only able to pop in and out during closing arguments and read a few post here. I stayed up and watched entire closing on youtube. I felt Nurmi did a great job. Here are a few things that stood out for me:
    1. Dr. D statement, TA used “inappropriate” language in his text..Nurmi was like come on jurors Really “inappropriate”
    2. The beginning of the sex tape where TA is saying, he was giving Abe the kick your ass vibe. I’ve always felt the beginning of the tape was very revealing of who “Mr. Alexander” was; self righteous, judgemental. Also..it revealed he felt his opinion of people was superior…
    3. Shining the spotlight of “truth on Flores and Horn”–Did I miss something? no agrument back from JM on this point. Jurors don’t like it when they think “funny busy” is going on..ie..OJ trial
    4. The 13 hrs and the 5 minutes of his back photos
    5. Relationship of chaos, crime scene of chaos.
    6. Gargments in the washer…we have all talked about that before…bleached towel, other black items…no bleach spots.Humm?
    7. If R. Burns was going to be her “alibi ” she really screwed that one up. Humm
    8. Blood spatter fit Jodi version and much as it does JM version…but it looks more like a heat of passion crime scene–jury you judge.

    Nurmi’s thorns:
    1. Jodi turning of the cell phone.
    2. Those damn gas cans.
    3. Those magzine with hidden message.

    Overall, I felt like Nurmi was great. For those who wanted Nurmi to close instead of Jen may of been right afterall!

    • Ann,

      The spotlight of truth on Flores and Horn resulted from Nurmi talking about the change of their testimony from the gun shot wound being first. Flores said he talked with ME and was told gun shot wound came first. Horn said he never told that to Flores. Nurmi said testimony changed when JA was going to use self defense. I thought Nurmi great in saying Horn should be sitting beside Flores with spot light on both of them. Who lied? Nurmi said some one had and in this case in point it wasn’t JA. That was very “glaring” to me and I have that visual in my head. Hope jurors do too as this could help them get past premeditation.

      Yes, the phone is the biggie to me. I believe I heard that the guy from whom she got the gas cans say that he didn’t think anything about her needing them for trip as they did that all the time. KN did make a mistake though in addressing the receipt for the gas can and it’s return. He said prosecuter didn’t check other Walmarts and that JA may have returned it to a different Walmart as there are two in Salinas. On the stand, JA told JM that she returned it to the same Walmart. Were the magazines admitted?

      • What Jodi said on the stand, and I thought it was a very good point, is that yes, she couldn’t find her phone charger and she could have bought another, but most through most of the desert, a cell phone has no connection anyway, so she just turned the phone off.

        • Oh OK. Did she turn her cell phone on at any time while in Arizona? Perhaps when she left? Anyone know? I think this may be a question one of the jurors might ask in deliberating.

          • Why are we even talking about this inconsequential bullshit?

            If the jury renders ANYTHING besides an acquittal, it isn’t because of the facts.

              • The phone thing, I can believe. I’m not always on the ball when it comes to charging mine.

                • I am not and am always running out of a charge on my phone, so, if on a long trip, once again I left it low, I will turn it off until I need it because when I turn it back on it has a bit more of a charge on it. I live in Arizona and everywhere you go here are long stretches of endless lonely desert with no gas station in sight or a gas station in an area I sure as heck dont want to go to alone being a woman. I read of too many woman getting hurt or kidnapped in remote out of the way gas stations or maybe I read too many horror stories

        • This is difficult for me to reconcile for I would want to be sure my cell phone was in order while driving through desert. Even, if couldn’t get signals all of the time. That is why the phone is the biggie to me. Her driver’s license pix showed blonde hair so that could be why the car rental guy recalled her being blonde. I can get past that. Gas cans? ????? The stick points both ways with premed and going alone on a long unfamiliar stretch of road and fear of running out of gas. I am loathe to carry gas in my car though so it is a sticking point. I can even account for her carrying a gun in being alone on such a long road trip for that would be safety to me. So, I can even go so far as to say she had her GP’s gun…but why not just ask to use it and not stage a scene? For every question I can answer, a new question comes to mind. It is just hard for me to think she premeditated and all these things happened so she could murder him. I don’t want to believe premed but have to get comfortable with the things she did do. Gas cans, phone etc. What I really think happened is she was on the road and talked with TA and either he asked her to come or they talked about it and thus the visit. Perhaps he was angry with her and she went to see him to try and clear things up..univited. I just don’t believe she went there with murder on her mind but it just happened and things got out of control. So, I guess I am still stuck with 2nd degree and manslaughter. I know I am rambling as I am just thinking out loud. Imagine this is what jurors will be doing on Monday? I do think TA was vile in his treatment of her and she may have just had enough. Prosecutor talks about her not letting him go. I think that was a two way street.

          • You know JW, I don’t think Nurmi said it on Friday, but we’ve said several times on this site, why did Jodi fill the gas cans again in Salt lake City? Not to be stealthy in her drive home from Salt lake City to Yrekas, but because she didn’t want to run out of gas out in the wilds of Northern Utah. So, if she just wanted the gas cans to hide her trip to Arizona, wouldn’t she be finished with them then? And if Utah was her alibi, wouldn’t she WANT to have a record of gas purchases on her trip from Utah back home to Yrekas? As Nurmi said, it doesn’t make sense.

          • JW,

            When I first heard this whole story, I was a little surprised to hear that not only Jodi, but other young women drive all through the western states alone and at night!!!! I’m from the east coast, so I’m different. I would NEVER take a long trip alone where my cell phone wouldn’t have a connection, even in the day time. But that’s me. As I said, I’m from the east coast. Jodi apparently took precautions, but felt comfortable enough driving through the desert AT NIGHT, driving through Nevada, Utah, and Northern California. I’ve heard that out west people don’t worry much about a 5 hour drive through the mountains or the desert the way we on the east coast would. I guess it depends on where you’re from.

            • We have no hesitation to drive alone, at night and for long hours here on the West Coast. Not me or anyone I know, anyway.

          • Other people posted a while back that they had traveled that same long stretch of road that Jodi traveled….and they too carried extra gas cans with gas, water, and food because it’s a long stretch of road before you get to a store and gas station…and remember she was driving a rental car…rentals have been known to not be reliable…

            As far as the grandfathers gun…there were many houses robbed in the grandparents area during that time…so I just “chalk” this up…and file it under “rash of home robberies”…

            In our area…it seems that home robberies happen more in one area than the other…so I can see this happening “in their neck of the woods”

            • Truthseeker, that’s what I thought!! It’s not unheard of to carry extra gas and water when driving through the desolate areas of the western states! Then there must be some on the jury who have either done it themselves or have known people who do that regularly. It’s not that unusual out west.

          • Cell phones, cell phone charge time and cell tower services were different in 2008 than in 2013.

            • Also I think she could have shut it off to avoid Ryan Burns. Maybe she didn’t want to talk to him on her way to see Travis.

      • Well…here is the fine line inferrence during the return of the gas can. JM ask if she returned to the very same “store”..Jodi said yes she did return it to the same “store” she didn’t say she returned it to the same store “location”…that is Nurmi’s position…store being Walmart…store not being location.
        About the magazines…Yes JM dragged those out again. Not good for the defense.

          • tonysam, I clearly see the prosecution’s misconduct and hope the jurors see it too. Didn’t I say jurors don’t like “funny business” going on with the investigation. Did I say something that wasn’t taken as I meant it?

            • Keep in mind Ann that during rebuttal
              when a juror submitted a question to DR HORN
              that was the question he could not answer and he
              got tripped up on & Jennifer had her GOTCHA moment
              🙂 that is something to consider since it was a JUROR who
              asked that to DR HORN
              I believe we have some jurors that are really smart and
              will see through all the smoke and mirrors bullshit
              and of course see prosecutorial misconduct.

              How could they not, it was presented to them in 3D via
              JM the whole time IN THEIR FACES

              • I knew the defense was holding the DURA MATER for closing. The juror question stoled their thunder on that one. But that OK..at least that got it!

        • Ok. Thanks Ann. Store vs. location. Fine point and I hope jury gets it. Ugh. Mags. I assume they were admitted then so jurors can see.

          • I thought about the cell phone all night because I like to talk on the phone while on a long drive. However…she was driving during the night. No one would be awake anyway. She had no reason to talk on the phone while at TA. It is plausible that she had no need for her phone during that time period.

            Remind me please…I thought she changed her trip and went to TA bc he invited her and talked her into coming to see him. Is that something she said, or is it in a text or phone message? I thought he knew she was coming which is why he was still awake at 4am – he was waiting for her. Right??

            • Well, there’s a 42 minute phone call from TA to Jodi right before she left southern California to go to Mesa. We know that from Travis Alexander’s phone records. We don’t know what was said in that call except that Jodi said he invited her and that he said he would be waiting up for her.

              We have his computer log that shows he was on his computer viewing YouTube videos when she arrived.

              There was another phone call between the two of them before she was in Southern California I believe, and she said he was “guilting her” into going to see him.

              • Thanks Theresa,

                That is a long phone call. It sounds plausible that he talked her into coming. Which is why I thought the whole premeditation thing did not make sense bc she did not intend to go to Mesa in the first place.

                With him being awake at 4 am it is obvious he knew she was coming. i don’t see how the jury can get around that phone call. He invited his ‘stalker’ to his house. Such a gross exaggeration of facts.

        • The magazines were brought up to disprove the pedo claim. Martinez failed. Nurmi proved the claims using travis own words.

          • That was a big slip-up, because Martinez was starting to talk about the “forged letters” – WHICH WERE DISALLOWED and never brought into trial.

            I wonder, if Nurmi had just let him carry on, if he could have finally gotten the mistrial he’s been going after for months.

          • The pedophilia came during the time when Jodi confessed to killing Travis. Beth Karas said after court yesterday that during that time in 2010, Jodi said she had a letter from Travis proving he was a pedofile. It went back and forth with judge and council and it was determined that in fact Jodi had forged the letters, therefore the Judge would not allow this in court. This was the beginning of pedofilia being alleged to Travis.

            • No the letters were not proven forged. They were copies and were inadmissible.

            • And in fact the defense had an expert that said something to the effect of that there “was a high probability that the letters were written by Travis Alexander”.

        • What do the magazines have to do with premeditation? Nothing, as far as I can see. Same with the gas cans.

      • If this is a “biggie” to you after Martinez tampered with witnesses Horn and Flores, the key players in this fiasco for the prosecution, then I honestly don’t know what to tell you.

        • tonysam, I imagine what I am discussing is the same as jurors will be discussing next week. Yep. Flores and Horn aren’t trustworthy IMO. But, there are still the gas cans/magazine and phone issue in my mind. I am not where you are yet.

      • Ann…

        I tend to believe that what Nurmi said was correct…he talked to Jodi regularly…

        If I remember correctly when she was questioned she said yes…and I took it to mean that she returned it in the Salinas area…

        I can see how some interpreting can go either way….only Jodi can clarify this…

    • Nurmi HAS no thorns. Why are we even talking about this bullshit when you have an ME who LIED up there not only in open court, but on television and live stream seen AROUND THE WORLD?

      WATCH Horn’s testimony again. It’s on this website under Day 54, Part 6, 22 minutes into it. It is ASTOUNDING there haven’t been criminal charges filed against him, Martinez, and Flores (for his earlier perjury).

      • I am well aware of Horn’s testimony and frankly, when he testified, I posted that he reminded me of Ted Bundy. Same smirky look. I get the changing of the gun shot first and last and the dura matter. Understand all of that. There are still other issues in my mind and suppose have to much time on this rainy day to air same out. I am sure in jury room on Monday, there will be discussions similar to ours.

      • I think there were perjury charges brought against Flores months ago. I haven’t hear anything about it since.

    • “4. The 13 hrs and the 5 minutes of his back photos”

      I just know I’m an idiot for this, but I don’t understand #4.

      • Thirteen hours she was there and hadn’t killed him.

        Five minutes in the shower he had his back to her, or had his head turned away from her, was completely vulnerable and she didn’t attack then either.

        • OH! Of course. Thank you, Journee. BTW, the Travis Taliban say that Jodi didn’t stab or shoot Travis while he had his back to her, because she wanted him to see who was killing him.

          HOW IS IT POSSIBLE THAT THEY ARE SO STUPID?

  64. Hey guys!!!!
    Unfortunately I don’t have time to read the comments, I’ll have to be away for the weekend,just popping in between all the Easter festivities that are taking place here,this weekend.There’s a bunch of Greek customs that we have,which pretty much keep us busy for 2 days straight!!

    SJ, that video made me laugh!! OMG,this guy ACTUALLY has the hots for TA!!! Admiring him?Saying he led a good life?LMAO!! Wanting him for President?? Why not simply say ”I’m gay,saw the guy’s pics and got it up” (oooops,pardon my filthy mouth and of course no offence intended to gay people,I actually adore gay people,I have 2 best friends who are).
    Renee,just accepted your friend request on Facebook, SO GLAD you found me Facebook,did you know it was me? I’m the A.S. person,obviously using a fake name,it’s from a movie.
    If anyone else wants to send me a friend request,e-mail me to give you my FB name.

    LOVE YOU ALL A LOT,SENDING YOU A GREEK HUG AND KISS.SEE YOU TOMORROW**Keep sending Jodi a lot of positive energy,good thoughts&prayers.ok?

    (((((((((((((((((((((((((((TEAL JODI AND JODI))))))))))))))))))))))))))

  65. I’ll highlight the things again Martinez clobbered himself with in his wrap up:

    ======= JUROR’S WON’T KNOW THIS? ================

    The knife ………..said Jodi testified it was in the bedroom

    Wrong …..she said Travis went downstairs to get it and he cut the rope in the BATHROOM.

    Said experts didn’t know if she was tied by her hands or by her hands and ankles that day.

    Wrong ……once they checked their written notes, both Samuels and LaViolette both were told only hands.

    Said she testified she cut her finger on the knife.

    Wrong………she said she cut it on a glass while cleaning up broken glass.

    Total omissions:

    Said words are not enough to assault………..glossed right over the fact she’s been slammed to the tile.
    Said shot him by the sink while behind him…..uhm, that means she’s pointing the gun right at herself too.
    Didn’t begin to explain how the bullet casing could end up a foot from the wall. Did she stand on the sink?

    LAUGH OF THE YEAR:

    Said she’s ambidextrous. That’s why she was able to stab him forcefully in the shower and could use her right hand instead of her left. Nevermind she still has to reach down and with his legs crossed would have a ridiculously difficult time getting a knife into his heart. Hearts are on the left side of our bodies you know Martinez.

    But she had cut herself while she stabbing him. And this is the reason which accounts for those shallow stab wounds in his back while she’s attempting to stab him at the sink and that’s why all those stab wounds had a right inward angle. Because it hurt her every time she stabbed him using that left hand after cutting it. Uhm…wasn’t she just ambidextrous a few seconds ago ….R–O–F–L.

    Nurmi really decimated the lunacy of any pre–formulated plan by Jodi and Martinez just went down like Hindenburg. Plus Nurmi also never mentioned the burglary “felony” so Martinez was totally precluded from talking about that again, which I’m sure Martinez wanted to hammer relentlessly in his wrap up.

    It was like Muhammed Ali in his prime against a five foot George Foreman in their last fight. There’s a place for you in hell Martinez (if there is one) and Horn and Flores shouldn’t even have it that good.

    • Great post. I definitely noticed JM trying to twist things around. Hopefully the jury took a lot of notes so they pick up on his BS.

    • Juando… “punted” many untruths into his closing to make his theory sound more plausible…

    • You can determine which hand the killer is wielding the knife in by the angle of the wound. This “ambidedextrous” business was just meant to confuse. Unless one is positing something truly ridiculous in terms of orientation, such as he is upside down and hanging and the killer approaches from behind.

  66. http://mormonism-unveiled.blogspot.com/2008/09/facts-about-lds-church-discipline.html found this and was wondering if the strange comment left by CP had anything to do with some type of probation within the church for TA. JA did state that TA was very angry about her wanting to go to the bishop and that he had already been in trouble in the past …not verbatim but something to that effect.. So is that when TA started ranting about JA being a nutcase and not to believe anything she says, she is a liar and stalker. He was afraid she was going to rat out his dirty little secret so he sets her up so no one will believe her when she does. JA also said she would not say anything if he got help and she said it was obvious he didnt. She was a threat to him and his image not only to his friends but within the church.

    Doesnt Deanna also mention them getting help from the bishop?

    • I think you nailed it. Funny how ‘probation’ wasnt taught by Mimi Hall when she gave her expert presentation on the church.

      • I thought Deanna said they went to their own bishops not together. She then just has Travis’ word he went to his bishop. He could have lied.

        • She did say that, Lindsay. In my mind, then, there is no evidence Travis EVER went to his bishop.

          • That’s how I understood it. Who know if he went to his bishop. Only his bishop would know.

            • the same goes for deanna we have only her word yet she also said TA didnt abuse her but she sure spent alot of time in his bedroom, according to her. he dated her for 7yrs but wouldnt marry her, sound familiar.

      • I believe had this info been brought out during the trial there would have been a better understanding by all and it would have brought everything full circle.

      • JC…

        Just wondering how many females went to the same bishop complaining about Travis trying to get into their pants before a marriage was consummated???

    • I think it’s amusing that the blog states that excommunication involves denial of the privileges of Church membership, including the wearing of temple garments and the payment of tithes and offerings. Privilege of wearing temple garments and payment of tithes? Sounds more like punishment.

        • Any cult that hangs around long enough eventually becomes a respectable religion just like “Politicians, ugly buildings, and whores.”

  67. I checked out the jodi is guilty site the spoke about in the above video. That guy should be embarrassed. You can’t even compare the sites. His site contain no valid info and basically is just a place for him to make fun of the Arias family in the most childish of ways. This site has documents and is a place for conversation. I wonder if the Arias fam can sue him for slander or something. It’s very disgusting.

  68. this site is once again on top of Google search list for “jodi arias is innocent”

  69. and also on first page of search for jodi arias so either one is a good search

  70. I was reading the Inconvenient Truth facebook page and this was up:

    Allegedly, in January 2001, when Travis lived in Riverside, California with several Mormon friends, one of the friends discovered a file on a shared computer that contained images of children in questionable poses. This friend confronted Travis and a discussion ensued into the wee hours of this night. Travis allegedly confessed to his own sexual molestation as a child and gave an example of an incident that occurred on a camping trip.

    Travis also admitted to this friend that he had an addiction to pornography. This information along with corroborating supporting evidence was given to Jodi Arias defense team in March. However, because of time constrains and logistical obstacles, this friend was not able to appear in court. This information is also with the mitigation specialist, who will follow up on these and other allegations, should there be a need for appeal.

    Here’s the link: https://www.facebook.com/InconvenientTruthsTV

    • Wow. If this is true, the defense should have made sure there was the time to get him to testify to support what JA said.

    • Rainy…”Something” to think about…

      I have always felt that Travis used two computers….one that he kept hid from Jodi and his roommates…and just maybe the “something” that the new owner of Travis’ house in the attic was his personal computer…hmmm…

      these are comments made from Katie…she is one of the inside courtroom observers…
      3-17-2013…1:10 am…Katie says a woman shows up in a blue van…she is the mother of the two teenage boys…they live in Travis’ house…the mother tells Travis’ sister how she felt she had visitations of Travis looking over her boys…how she saw a shadow move up her stairs and into each of their rooms and how her dog stood at attention…

      3-17-2013…1:11..am…Katie says this same mother who lives in TA house left and then came back with a shovel…the mother told them that she found “SOMETHING” personal of Travis’ in the ATTIC…she will pass it to them…the mother invited the family for dinner..

    • I cannot get that FB link to come up for me, Rainy, even though I’m logged into FB. Can you please check the link?

      • I think the page is locked. The person who runs that fb page , who I’m friends with on fb said she’s in “facebook jail “….lol.
        Joey Jacksons wife has been harassing her, so I assume that’s what happened again.
        It should be available after 24 hrs

        • Thank you, melvis. The link won’t work for me and I’m friends with her, too. Joey Jackson’s wife is using her temporary “popularity” to bully on FB.

          • Joey Jackson’s wife should stay the fuck out of it and stop bullying people.

            • I just tried going to that fb page and it’s still locked.

              Is Joey Jackson that guy with the unholy toothy grin that’s a guest on HLN? If so…EW!! He makes my skin crawl. *shudders*

              • Sorry you guys. I’m not a FB’er but I got to her page starting at her twitter page, clicked on her blog link, from there her FB link and it opened up. Again, I do not have a FB page so not sure how I got there!?

                She has the same text on her twitter page – I’m not very twitter savvy so I copied the tweet. Check her twitter page and you can find it there also with a link and the convo.

                InconvenientTruthsTV ‏@InconvenientTr1 8h
                With a secret like this: https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/389061_356765854435735_1641116361_n.png …

                Again, sorry the link failed. I was in a hurry to get out the door earlier today and didn’t test it 🙁

                • Wow, just wow, Rainy. The “camping incident” hmmm. I was just thinking about what Dr. Carp put in her report about Travis having admitted to wanting sex with children and having some incidents where he had fondled little boys. If only the jury had seen that!

  71. Hey, Anna Ryan, I posted this for you late last nite, so I’m guessing you didn’t see it. There been studies done in recent years that have found being a pessimist is a good thing.

    Check this out. It may help.
    http://academics.wellesley.edu/Psychology/Norem/Quiz/quiz.html

    I took their test and tested as a positive pessimist.
    Contingency planning
    Contingency planning
    Contingency planning

  72. Has this roommate, John Hepworth been on HLN???

    How many roommates has HLN had on their show lately???

    This roommate didn’t get along with Travis….it would be interesting to know why they didn’t get along…

    Another of Travis’ roommates named John Hepworth…was mentioned on Page 15 of the Flores Report in the top paragraph…Lisa said that Travis and John didn’t see eye to eye, on a lot of things, but he did move out suddenly one night without telling Travis about it. She said that John lived with Travis from July to August of 2007, to December of that same year. She told the Detective that she knew they didn’t get along, but she can’t see any reason why he would want to do harm to Travis.

    I found this on (a) John Hepworth…sounds like it could be the same….

    http://www.mylife.com/johnhepworth

      • If Dr. Drew or any of the HLN ‘commentators” had him on, I’d be VERY interested, but I know I’d be disappointed in the questions they’d ask him. Also, if Hepworth really does have negative things to say about Travis, I’m certain HLN would never allow him to be on any of their shows.

    • Wasn’t Hepworth the guy who told JA about the other women TA was dating?

      • Yes! And I believe he was the one who told Lisa Andrews about Jodi.

        • Usually guys aren’t that “gossipy.” But maybe TA’s behavior was so egregious it prompted the roommate to spill the beans.

  73. I’ve only posted a couple times here but I post a lot on HLN and Dr Drew and defend Jodi and try to give my honest opinion on Travis. I get so sick of all the saint Travis commentary and all the boo hooing that goes on by people who didn’t even know him. The media has worked these people in to an absolute frenzy. But anyway, I hope she gets manslaughter. I’m really nervous JM and his antics may work and the jury might throw the book at her 🙁 But IMO this was a crime of passion and qualifies as manslaughter. She could be free in 10-12 years. I’m really pulling for her!

    • I have been posting on their recently, especially after the dummy posted the poem she wrote about the sweet gentle Travis breeze that floated into court bwahhhh hahahaha

  74. Not sequestering this jury until deliberations is like closing the barn door after the cow has trotted out. I can only hope they use their common sense like Nurmi asked them to. If Jodi had premeditated this murder then concocted this elaborate story of how it happened, it’s the worse story ever told. To slip in during the night and administer one gun shot to the heart as Travis lay sleeping then slip out like a ninja would have made much more sense. I mean she took pictures, for goodness sake. Or if she’d started yelling ‘he tried to kill me!’ directly after would have been better too. Instead Jodi tried to protect his reputation and herself by dancing around the truth. Juan’s theory is laughable. If even 1 juror buys this then there is no justice anywhere.

    • I agree this jury should have been sequestered. It is difficult to believe that at least some of them have seen, heard or read things that could influence their thinking. This trial has become entertainment and the media are like prostitutes using it to gain ratings, etc. HLN pundits have moved past reporting and into helping the JM. If this type of behavior isns’t reigned in, at some point it will cause a mistrial and cameras will be withheld from court room.

  75. it’s safe to say the guy who runs that website sounds fairly unintelligent
    when he speaks you hear an echo between his ears

  76. Hi Team Jodi,
    I just need to vent!!! I am so sick of all of these TV commentators saying that it’s no big deal when Travis said “Oh you sound like a 12-year old girl having her first orgasm”. I guarantee that if Nancy Grace’s husband came home and said “oh honey, when you moan you sound like a 12 year old girl having her first orgasm….AND…by the way…I want to tie you to a tree and put it ALL the way in your a-hole”….she would be furious & totally go ghetto on him!!! They are such hypocrites!!!!

    • and maybe her husband needs to send a video of them getting it on…on national television and see if it was a big deal or not…he could receive in the millions of dollars for the video…it would make the “Big Breaking News” headlines…

    • I actually posted that same complaint to Beth Karas yesterday who tried to say that Jodi forged letters accusing TA of being a pedo….
      I said so then Jodi must of been a ventriloquist on the sex tape…dumb ass , all of them!

      • I read an article just a few minutes ago with respect to the so called forged letters. Nurmi asked that they be admitted as prosecutor expert couldn’t say 100% they weren’t in Travis handwriting. They were thrown out because they were copies and couldn’t be verified if not original.

    • The 12 year old comment repeated twice by TA and the pop the cork comment are so over the top and NOT OK. I can’t believe Dr. Drew thinks it is ok to have a child fantasy. Fantasies lead to acting out! As Nurmi said “WHO says tha”?” It is sick. He is right. I am guessing it will not go over well with other men on jury unless they have same sick thoughts. I can’t imagine a woman would ever think this is ok.

    • If JA had said something like that they could be on the other side of the argument.

    • Or if some guy would say that to her daughter someday plus having a boat load of other chicks on the side.

      It’s also very tiresome that she keeps milking the murder of the fiance when she was young. Yes it was a tragedy but after all these years must she keep harping on it?

      If it’s still such a burr in her thigh I’d suggest she get out of the law business, stop inserting herself into these homicides and immerse herself into, I don’t know, maybe growing bonsai trees to help her move on in life and away from the memories and let that wound heel. But I suspect she loses very little sleep over it these days. She’s in it for the money and loves to exploit the event. She’s disgusting…

  77. wait Nancy Grace can moan and have orgasms?
    She actually has activity in her vagina?
    whoa!
    WHOA!!! Stop The Press!

  78. It is weird to think that this trial is over. Now all we can do is wait…. waiting is the worst! Nurmi did an excellent job closing. JW did an excellent job opening. I think they provided enough reasonable doubt. Martinez’s closing was not that strong.

    Of course, HLN is saying that Martinez had a great closing. But then again, they think everything he did was great. I wonder what they will say if the verdict does not come back murder 1? Will they blame Martinez? Will they blame the jury?

    I do fear for Jodi. I fear the court will not provide her with enough protection if she gets acquitted.There will be mobs of people outside the courthouse waiting for the verdict. I also wonder about Travis’s family’s reaction, and whether or not they’d lose it and lunge for Jodi if she gets acquitted!

    • I think there will be a longer delay than usual between verdict in and verdict read.

      • Would that be a good thing or a bad thing? I thought typically the verdicts were read pretty quickly after they were rendered. I guess maybe an hour or two given so that people can make it down to the courthouse for the reading (unless they will all be in court whenever the jurors are there?)

        • Not good or bad. Time for security to placed to handle the HLN crowd and for all the family member to arrive. Plus usually the lawyers want a few moments with their client to settled them down. You know the prosecution side will have a after verdict statement…they always do.

      • Really? I’ve never heard of that happening. Usually, only a reasonable period of time is given in order for everyone to reach the courthouse. Since Jodi is in custody, it may take a while for her to be transported. Honestly, I’m not even sure how that works in a jail run by the evil Sheriff Joe.

        • Jodi will have to be in the courthouse holding chambers/cell during deliberation. I just this case is so high profile…the courthouse will want to have all their security ready and in place once a verdict come in.

          • I think they announced that Casey’s verdict would be read just a few hours ahead of time.

    • They all predicted CA would be found guilty too. They were all astounded. One would think they would have learned a lesson from same. Wendy Murphy was the only one who predicted not guilty as she didn’t believe CA murdered her daughter. I voted with the jury and thought JB did a terrific closing and sealed the deal. JA was much like JM. Didn’t care for either.

    • I agree, the waiting is the hardest part. I honestly think the defense did ALL they could. There were a couple of things I thought along the way they could have focused on more regarding how domestic violence victims act, the BPD misdiagnosis of women who have PTSD from abuse, but I think now they were trying to tread a very fine line with the jury and not alienate them.

      I will honestly be shocked if the jury comes back with an acquittal. Likewise, I will be shocked (and totally devastated) if they come back with first degree murder. I really believe, in my heart, they will come back with manslaughter, but I do still worry about them coming back with second degree murder. There’s still a part of me that’s concerned about Nurmi saying he didn’t like Jodi 9 days out of 10. I still don’t really understand that.

      I don’t know how on earth poor Casey Anthony is living after all she went through. Jose Baez, from his book, constructed a very elaborate scheme to get her from the courthouse. I don’t know if the same will be done for Jodi or not. She doesn’t have a private lawyer, after all. But my hope is that if she is convicted of manslaughter and has to serve a few more years (which I hate for her) that after that time, all this hatred will have died down and the haters will be onto their next victim. Although that doesn’t seem to have been the case for Casey, but I think, in a way, this case stirred them up about her all over again. I’m sure a great deal of the haters will move onto the Zimmerman case. Others will get riled up about Brenda Heist. And there are probably other cases I don’t know a thing about that will get them all jazzed up and angry. Gosh, it’s so like the gladiator arenas of the Roman Empire, isn’t it?

      • AA,
        “There’s still a part of me that’s concerned about Nurmi saying he didn’t like Jodi 9 days out of 10. I still don’t really understand that.”
        I think this was smart on his part..I think it showed, she’s does stuff against his counsel/advice. Getting her to help herself is like pulling hen’s teeth! There were times when she was stand she was still minimizing & I could tell it was driving him crazy.

        • Ahhhh that makes sense Ann. I’ve forgotten that from her testimony. It’s been a while. But that makes sense. And I remember her looking angry with him when he asked Deanna certain questions. She didn’t seem to appreciate that at all. Like she didn’t want Deanna to be questioned about any kind of sexual activity but Nurmi *had* to do it.

          Jodi’s tweet about it made me sad though:
          “Jodi Arias ‏@Jodiannarias 9h 9 days out of 10… that sounds about right.”

          • I think that was brilliant on his part. That shows that emotions should not play role in making the decision of guilty or not guilty. Just because you don’t like somebody doesn’t mean that they automatically are guilty. Very, very smart !!!

  79. Hi Team Jodi!
    Does anyone know what kind of art Jodi would like on a postcard? I am picking out some postcards online. I send them to friends too and I was going to pick a couple for Jodi, but I don’t know what kind of art she would like.
    Thank you! 🙂

    • I thought something cute and happy would be nice! Kittens, bunnies, puppies. She also would probably love anything with nature on it! Anything with gorgeous architecture would probably make her happy as well.

    • Can she receive postcards with art? I thought only plain postcards were allowed? I hope SJ can answer us on that.

      • Ok. As far as I know the design on the front of the card makes little difference, so long as it’s metered mail & not stamped.

        SJ
        Team Jodi

      • Oh I don’t know. I sent a couple w kind of cutesy patterns on them. They haven’t come back to me. But who knows what would happen to them.

  80. Does anyone know which way HLN is going to lean their bias in the George Zimmerman case? They are going to have to be very careful because if they lean in George’s favor (the way they did with Travis’ in this trial) they are going to look extremely racist (just like they were misogynistic in this case, although nobody has taken notice except us.)

    • I am not sure which way they are leaning but I think it is towards TM. I am in Florida and many lean to TM as he was black and a teen. Personally, I believe the DA here has not handled this properly. Imagine that! This is a difficult case and I see both sides of the argument at this point. Zimmerman is hispanic so it is hard for me to see the race argument…which I am sick of anyway. We are all minorities.

    • That CNN After Dark posse of meatheads and the lead hermaphrodite will be balls to the wall against Zimmerman. They manipulated his statement even to make it sound like he immediately told the 911 operator deliberately that Martin was Black. They left out the part that the 911 operator asked him what he thought Martin was.

      This will be a slam-dunk not guilty for George. Zimmerman should never even have been charged. They have a witness statement that said the TALL one was chasing the short one! You can’t mistake which one that was.

      • Definitely, they’ll favor the prosecution. They always do. Zimmerman will be tried and found guilty in the court of HLN’s opinion before the trial even starts.

  81. To whom was KN referring when he mentioned sexual orientation and hair cut in closing?

    • I think it was AL. If they (jurors) have been seeking around and listening to the media….they’ll get it!

    • I remember seeing that a while ago. Sad, isn’t it? He tells her she’s as enlightened as she is beautiful. That was back in January of 2007 when he was “seeing” her but before they were officially a “couple”.

      • I had seen it before too. Quoting C. Hughes and Travis like they are authors. Sad

    • Also Abused,
      The “New interviews” and “new information” are most likely coming from the anti-Jodi creeps who still are in search of their 15 minutes of fame…I can’t imagine that ANYONE who knows something that would be of help to Jodi would come forward NOW. If no one came forward before, it was probably because of intimidation to themselves and/or their families. I believe and will continue to believe that there is an implied threat to ANYONE who has information against the Mormons and TA and CH/SH (who I personally think are the people who should have been investigated)…that they will find themselves in the morgue and their death will be determined as “suicide”.

      • Too true, Dorothy, and also too scary! Where is justice? We’ll most likely have more very average looking friends of Travis come forward with more junk about Jodi and how she looked at them funny or some other such nonsense.

    • There will be NO information that can top the fiasco put forward by the prosecution, which is the absolute SCANDAL of witness tampering and perjury.

      If they want to do a real report, they should report on the corruption of Maricopa County officials.

        • Pat. that said it all…and it is not fair to the public. During this trial NOT even one item of press news focused at all on the probability that we haven’t been told the truth here. I would have loved to see ONE high end reporter dare to admit that the investigation was shoddy and there is more to this than meets the eye. BUT alas, the reporters follow the money..sensationalism brings in the money, not truth…it all makes me sick. I avoid the news now because I know how superficial it all is. They are all a bunch of robots…

  84. so hoping a juror may be reading this site over the weekend, I’d like to point out a couple of things that should help you reach your decision to find Jodi innocent of premed m1
    first thing is that you heard and read many texts, emails, and voice mails with Travi’s own words what he thinks about women. Especially women who he was supposedly in love with. His whole philosophy of relationship is what a women can do for him, what he can get from them, and when he doesn’t get what he wants, you saw how he reacted. Threats of violence, intimidation, and verbal emotional abuse, IS ABUSE!!! don’t let some television personality try to persuade you otherwise. On his Myspace page, he says, in his own words, that women on my space are Whores, yet he’s quite the catch, with his interests being soley about power, control and money. The top 2 traits of an abuser:power and control.
    you also heard Jodi’s journals, and many of her friends who told you this woman is gentle, kind, loving and loyal. This poor woman never stood a chance against Travis, emotionally or physically. To even fathom she is this supposed villian, stalker, obsessed murderer is ludicrous.
    Now the state wants you to believe this woman planned to kill the man she was in love with, because she took extra gas with her to drive across the desert at night. Really…..you honestly can’t believe this can you? The states processing of the crime scene, the autopsy report, and the testimony regarding it bordered on perjury. Why would these people take the stand and lie? why woul Dr Horn change his testimony about the damage done by the bullet, of what injury came first? I can’t tell you, I don’t know, but the fact is HE did. That’s one if not the most important part of this whole case. Yet you never heard the truth from him.
    Please, use your head, don’t let a mass of bullies and pro death penalty zealots intimidate you to go against what the evidence is telling you. Jodi was trying to give their relationship one last try, and sadly she had to fight for her life. It’s not a stretch to imagine losing control on someone when you finally get the upper hand is it?

  85. Does anyone know if the Courthouse have holding cells for those awaiting a verdict or are they assigned to a room with guards? I know Jodi will have to be on premises during deliberation.

    • I am pretty sure that Jodi has spent lunch breaks in a holding cell since the trial started.

  86. Hi folks,
    I’m wondering why Nurmi didn’t really go into the self defense issue in his closing (or perhaps I missed it?) It seems he finished up with mention of manslaughter…but didn’t focus on the self defense. After all the testimony re: domestic violence, which I personally feel was eye opening and VERY applicable to this case, and Jodi’s own testimony as to how everything played out that day, I thought Nurmi would really zoom in on self defense more. Do I need to go back and listen to his closing again? Did I miss something or am I correct that Nurmi didn’t stray in that direction…even a bit?

    • I know I might get screamed at but I feel he has a better chance with leaving it open for the jury to decide what they think it is..self defense or crime of passion. It is strategy move on the defense part once they got the heat of passion in for consideration. Saving her from M1 has to be their priority.

      • Ann, Why would you get screamed at? I won’t scream at you.
        I also agree that saving her from M1 is a priority, but the defense team DID spend significant time on proving the self defense claim,…with ALV’s testimony that Jodi was a victim of DV, the vile texts and emails, etc. and with Jodi’s testimony of what happened the day TA was killed. I see that NURMI pinpointed manslaughter, but…unless I missed it, he did not even mention self defense..which I believe is what truly happened.

        • I understand that self defense is what you and many more truly believe. Think of this way…Jodi said, I defended myself please believe me and this is my story…. Heat of Passion….it doesn’t matter who story or version of events you believe, who lied about what, premeditation and all the other crap goes down the drain. If the jury thinks it has the necessary elements of heat of passion, then she will be punished for what she has done without it being M1 premed.

            • I believe if Nurmi had gotten heat of passion early on he may not have gone for self defense.

              • JW, Yes, I feel this way also…another stinky ploy by the prosecution…

            • JM entire closing was focused on Jodi being a lair, playing a victim and sciopathic black widow who slaughtered TA. Then, JM went on and on about Jodi’s lies underoath to them, the jurors and saying Jodi’s is manipulating them. Nurmi had to get their brains off of being manipulated and back on the “what caused ” this to happened without using Jodi’s testimony. That my opinion, why he did come right out say self defense.

              • correction to the last sentence: IMO that is the reason Nurmi did not come right out say self defense.

            • He did, earlier on. He just didn’t know where to go with it, because he didn’t have any story past the gun shot. He did bring up Alyce’s words, that sometimes when the abused finally fight back, they don’t know when to stop. (do you remember the look on Jodi’s face when Alyce said that? I am hoping some jurors saw and remember)

              He just *finished* on the manslaughter, which disappointed me. I wanted him to finish by giving them a reason to acquit, rather than telling them what to convict her of.

      • I agree with you Ann. Anything less than murder one is a victory for the defense in my opinion. I am hoping for manslaughter but feel it will be 2nd degree.

    • All he wanted to do was show the absurdity of premeditation. The fringe benefit of that was that he precluded Martinez from being able to go into anything he didn’t talk about.

      It was like “check” in checkers. All Martinez had left on the board was a rook. Rooks can only move sideways or up and down. He took away Martinez’ queen and he was screwed. All he could talk about again was gas cans.

      The jury had all they needed to know. Martinez knew it and you could see the exasperation.

      • Thank you all, Ann JW, Journee, Kira and Jade,
        I felt I was left hanging…like Journey said and I see that Jade made it clearer with the game of chess analogy which plays into JW’s theory (or matter of fact) that Nurmi was dealt a last minute hand and had the cards been on the table earlier the trial would have taken a different path of strategy…what bothers me is that Jodi was willing to plea to M2 right off the bat but the prosecution HAD to go for the kill. I hope it isn’t M2.I don’t quite understand “heat of passion”. Al did an overview for me on what the judge went over in court, but he did not include the “heat of passion” part. Is that just one of the manslaughter choices? I believe she was defending herself…I am glad I do not have to deliberate this case. They have a tough job ahead.

  87. From a PRO-Jodi site where I posted a photo of Tanisha in bar, wearing a purple t shirt with ‘Justice 4 Travis’ written on it in magic marker:

    “Charlie’s Angel Basse you better watch out. You are no angel. You’ve said a lot of nasty things on these message boards. I’ve seen you for over a month now taunting people and saying cruel and vile things. Far worse than Travis’ 4 emails/texts combined. YOU DESERVE TO BE STABBED 29 TIMES and HAVE YOUR NECK SLIT FROM EAR TO EAR for it!!”

    “Ka Ha OMG…can’t believe that anyone would believe this is actually his sister. This is an impersonator…and not a very good one”

    “Judy Megli That’s not Travis’s sister … sheesh”

    It IS Tanisha, and it IS a total famewhoring photo. Just like Travis’ arrest, the TT deny it it’s even THEM.

      • Basse Krokke …… need to show this to somebody in law enforcement…..TODAY!!!! Ya feel me???

        • Yes, I’m close with the Sandra, who runs Inconvenient Truths on FB, and she’s super-helpful with threats and bullying. She has a whole FBI-package she’s putting together. The Travis Taliban have sanctified Travis, and if someone posts anything negative about him, they totally lose it.

              • Yep, that’s a threat on your life, and I hope the troglodyte who made it faces some consequences. Who would tell someone that they deserve to be stabbed and have their throat slit because of a Tanisha photo? WTF is wrong with some people?

  88. If there were corroborating pedophile evidence to present I think that would have sealed the deal for an acquittal. I know TA isn’t supposed to be the one on trial and I think that’s one reason I think some people hate Jodi is because they think she made that up. I am not one of them. When you put up a self defense argument it’s just too damn bad that the unacceptable characteristics of the other person comes out. If it’s true, I at least hope the evidence comes out after so the haters can eat a shitload of crow!! During would have been better.

    • Gwen — Unfortunately, evidence means exactly nothing to these a-holes. They will just deny, deny, deny. They will deem the evidence “fake”. They’re doing it already. I’ve read many times that it isn’t Travis voice on that phone sex tape. “Listen to how gravelly it sounds; that’s not TRAVIS!” Oy.

      • Exactly right…they all want to portray Jodi as the the villain in all this, and as I said before, not everyone who dies at the hand of another is a ‘victim”.
        I make no excuses for what my reaction would of been if Jodi was my daughter, and I found out that a man was abusing her as Travis was. This guy would of been very very sorry he ever did it, and it makes me furious that her parents were not more involved in her life. Even if she “hid” things from them, there are ways to find out what’s happening if you take the time and effort to do it. Now I’m not blaming them, just saying that if they would of put forth some effort to be closer to her, and investigated themselves into what was going on in her life, maybe things would of turned out differently for her.
        A woman who has a strong family support system, and is given unconditional love by her family and friends, doesn’t typically end up the victim of a predator like Travis. There are exceptions to the rule, but not very likely.

          • I don’t think Jodi made it up either. That “popping a 12 year old’s cork” comment or whatever Travis said was enough to seal the deal for me. It is NOT normal, I don’t care what the pundits say. If any man had ever said to me that I sounded like a 12 year old orgasming, I’d have run like hell.

    • Gwen,
      I believe MUCH of TA’s rage toward Jodi stemmed from the fact that Jodi KNEW what he was truly like inside and that he “preferred children” when it came to sex. He knew there was that possibility that Jodi may expose him. It probably festered in him. CH/SH probably knew about him too and thought TA would be alone that day but! oops! Jodi was there and got swept up in the entire mess. They probably WERE the “two masked intruders”…but Jodi saw how evil operates and decided to become their sacrificial lamb rather than put anyone else in harms way.
      I agree with Basse Krokke that “evidence means exactly nothing” to them..They would have had that all taken care of prior to “discovering” the body…the fact that NO PORN was found on that pervert’s computer is just PROOF that someone hid evidence…to cover someone else’s asses. Ya know those Mormons are a money laundering, cult hiding under the guise of “church”. They want to be portrayed as lily white virgins…A HUGE LIE, just like lily white virgin Travis… He fit right in with them.

      • Makes sense about the rage for if it was the case that TA “preferred children,” then every time he had sex w/ Jodi it was not for pleasure, but only to prove to HER that his preference was for women. Do this enough times and you begin to despise the person you’re having sex with, since you’re only treating that person as a sexual object, an object you may not even be attracted to, to boot.

        • krikee, He was probably trying to prove to HIMSELF that he was not that way as well. I wish he sought help with dealing with his feelings, like Jodi urged him to do. Instead he probably thought he could overcome his “demons”. BUT he didn’t get far with his self-treatment. Instead, he wanted Jodi to be the “12 year old” he truly desired, he probably fantasized about her being that 12 year old while she thought he was only being kinky. I wonder if he ever actually RAPED a child…He WAS 30 years old. Those “urges” probably were with him LONG before he met Jodi. The guy had issues piled on top of other issues and I bet Jodi knew him better than anyone else had EVER really known him in his entire life.

          • Dorothy – so true what you said. What’s really sad is that on top of all this he subscribes to a religion that suppresses healthy sexuality. What a mind fuck.

          • I still go back to Dr. Karp’s report and Dr. Samuels’ report which JM quotes in his motion here:

            http://twitdoc.com/upload/zou2/ja-expert-hearsay-issue.pdf

            “The victim “admitted having an interest and experience” in sex with young boys.” (From Samuels’ report.)

            “He told her he had a couple of experiences with boys and did confess to a Bishop, but not his Bishop.” “Travis had admitted to her that he had fondled little boys before.” (From Karp’s report.)

            It’s right there on the bottom of page 9 of that document (which since it has 2 pages face-to-face is actually the 5th page of the PDF).

            Two different experts who examined Jodi at different times both reported this. He had “experience” with little boys.

            • He was such a fucking perv. We really should be having a parade for Jodi, not a trial.

    • my brother was a pedifile maybe one time but we did not find out untill he was 57 yrs old how do you prove something that is a secret for years and years

  89. Afternoon my friends!!!

    I just pray next week is not a long week. Course I’ll miss “talking” with you all….. as y’all have become a big part of my days. I hope the administrators will keep the site up after the verdict is read so we can continue to “talk”……at least for a little while!!

    Just wanted to pop in to say….. have a wonderful weekend!!! See everyone on Monday!! (((((HUGS)))))

  91. Is anyone else truly terrified of the verdict? I mean this isn’t a game and it’s intense. It really could go either way. I don’t even know Jodi but yet I’m scared for her. I’m a very empathic person, and I’ve been very anxious since trial ended yesterday. Not just for Jodi’s sake, but I feel that Willmott and Nurmi did a great job in this case and should come out on top. Much better than Martinez.

    • My stomach is in knots. I don’t know if this helps or not, but I can tell that The Goblin Martinez is panicked as well. His ego is riding on this verdict; he was frantic and desperate in his closing, imo.

    • Britney,
      I’m not worried..for some reason I feel a sense of peace…I think the day Jodi is released from prison, whenever that day comes, I will be more anxious for the outcome. The mob is probably all ready to to lynch her in the public square…even if they have to wait a little while.
      I will send you POSITIVE ENERGY ~~~~~~~~~ 😀

    • I’m a little concerned. But the God I serve is real…FAITH!!!! Trust and believe y’all,,,,,,,,,trust and believe!!!

    • Willmott and Nurmi fought the good fight for Jodi, for justice. They can hold their heads high.

    • Yes, I’m worried. I think it could go either way. I’m hanging my hat and hope on Heat of Passion.

    • I have battled anxiety all day worried about the verdict. It’s the element of the unknown. We don’t know how the jury feels, how they think, what they think, how they absorbed the closing arguments…. Arrrgh!!

      I could go round and round with this. I am praying they see through the chaos JM has spread all over the court room, but then I remember hearing that you can never tell what a jury is thinking, never predict what they will decide. Ugh!! Then I tell myself to smarten up, they aren’t even deliberating right now.

      My glucose is all over the map tonight, anxiety and stress are a diabetics worst enemy! I hate the waiting, but I know when they announce a verdict has been reached I’ll be terrified and won’t want to hear it in case it’s not what I am hoping for.

      I wasn’t this worried when I was diagnosed with cancer and my doctor told me surgery immediately.

      I wish I drank! LOL

  92. Friends, I need some help (especially from those of you with medical experience) with my personal situation and I don’t even know who else to ask. I’m so sorry to make this all about me, but perhaps it is relevant to how an abused woman is evaluated and interpreted. I discussed my work abuse and my awful doctor appointment yesterday. It was truly a doctor visit from hell as far as I was concerned. Today, I received a call from the doctor that he thinks I’m experiencing thyroid storm based on my EKG (done in the office yesterday) and my lab results. (Wait, yesterday, I was told it would take 5 business days to get my results back and then at least another 48 business hours for a doctor to review them. Today, they have the results. Really?) I have been advised to go to a hospital. Really? I thought yesterday, I was just some nutcase who was claiming abuse and needed to see a psychiatrist so the doctor had to talk over me and dismiss me and leave me in tears?

    They emailed me my chart and I am sooooo livid. For one thing, they claim they examined me physically — which they did NOT do. They examined my neck and my mucous membranes and found them normal? Um, no, sorry, no such thing occurred. The cardiac exam resulted in a normal heart rate? Really? Then, why do they later note that my pulse rate was NOT normal?

    Then, they say: “Presents tearful and upset. Abnormal speech: pressured. No evidence of psychotic ideation. Unable to reliably assess patient’s judgment. Awake, alert and oriented to person, place and time. Has normal recent and remote memory. Appears anxious.” Yes, I’m anxious. My heart rate is ABNORMAL and has been for days, confirmed in the hospital on Tuesday/Wednesday and by them. Should I not be anxious about tachycardia and palpitations? And I was bullied at work. Did they bother to note that? Of course not. Should I not be anxious about that? They go on to say I denied weight loss, nausea, sore throat, difficulty swallowing, unusual muscle aches, joint aches or swelling. Really? They never asked me those questions at ALL. How could I deny something they NEVER asked about?

    And then, the best part. I smoke. I have never denied that I smoke. But here’s what they wrote in their report: “Spent 4-5 minutes discussing risks of smoking in the context of this patient’s current problems. Encouraged to get in a cessation program, and given smoking cessation information.” Really? When did that 4-5 minutes of discussion occur? Neither the doctor nor the soon-to-be college graduate, not the high school graduate who couldn’t manage to draw my blood without spilling it all over me and the room, EVER discussed smoking with me in any shape or form. This is an OUTRIGHT lie. It NEVER happened.

    Meanwhile, my EKG shows a diagnosis of “ABN, sinus, possible 1st degree block, poor R wave progression.” I was a certified vet tech, although other than my practicum, I never worked in the field. However, my cat’s cardiologist, knowing of my studies and his calmness when around me, always allowed me to be present during my cat’s echo exams and discussed all his results with me as if I was a medical professional for the 6 years that we saw her. I have never studied cardiology, even as a vet tech, but due to my interest in my cat’s heart condition, I know more than the average Joe. I’ve reviewed many many EKG charts of my kitty, and also his echocardiogram measurements/intrpretations. I am acutely aware of various issues in cats, who are not all that different from humans. To me, the abbreviation of ABN means “abnormal”, and I assume that’s the same in human medicine I interpret that to mean that my sinus rhythm is abnormal. Yes, I knew that. “1st degree block” means to me “first degree AV block”. That’s not something to mess with, while I realize it’s rather a benign interpretation, further work ups are usually recommended since it CAN lead to AV block (which my cat had, so I’m very very familiar with it). However, since they performed two different EKGs, my limited knowledge tells me that a lead disconnected or was not not connected well during the first. I actually had to inform the soon-to-be college graduate about lead disconnection during the exam. Nonetheless, if there is even a remote possibility of potential first degree AV block, I should have been informed during the exam, and a referral to a cardiologist should have been given, especially given my age and the fact that I smoke, and I was, instead, simply told to see a psychiatrist. Psychiatrists do NOT deal with cardiac complications — at least, not the last time I looked up their specialty. I am aware that “poor R wave progression” can point to faulty EKG recording — which is what I suspect — however, I am also acutely aware of other issues implicated such as myocardial infarction (a heart attack) and left ventricular hypertrophy (thickening of one of the heart chambers). Should I NOT have been informed of this possible diagnosis during my doctor visit?

    Looking at my labs, yes, my T3 is abnormally high. But they didn’t check my Reverse T3 or my Free T3, only my total T3. My TSH is normal. My total T4 is a bit low. I’m hypothyroid. My glucose is ever-so-slightly high. I attribute that to stress and the fact that they had me drink orange juice RIGHT before drawing serum. My ALT is ever-so-slightly high, but there are no other liver elevations or abnormalities. my BUN is slightly low. Considering I was sitting around all day feeling like crap, I don’t make much of that one either.

    But I am soooo angry right now. “Unable to reliably assess patient’s judgment.” Admittedly, I’m not your normal patient. I’m a very very knowledgeable and also calm patient, even in my WORST situation. I wasn’t drug-seeking. I don’t like taking meds at ALL. I make that known. I didn’t even want the Ativan he gave me. I told him to check my records, because I haven’t even filled the prescription for 6 more Ativan the hospital gave me. I still have a few pills left from a prescription I was given a year and a half ago. Obviously, I’m not a very good addict, if that’s what he was implying.

    But, because I was talking about abuse — both the abuse of my ex-husband, and the abuse I’m experiencing at work — I’m a psych patient. I’m so tired of this, so so so tired. How about noting in my records that I experienced workplace abuse/bullying/harassment? How about talking about that? How about talking about the fact that I have PTSD from domestic violence instead of just referencing my PTSD. You know, you become a victim unwillingly and unwittingly. You don’t consent (although according to JM, if you don’t claim rape AFTER the fact, you consented). Apparently, if you’re beaten and you don’t object, you consented. I didn’t want PTSD and I still don’t. I don’t want panic attacks. I left that beautiful house, let my ex take EVERYTHING I’d worked for ALL my life before him. He got a beautiful 3 bedroom/3 bath/2 car garage house in Florida, 3 vehicles (including a Corvette), and a business — all of which I’d bought. I didn’t care. I just wanted the chance to live, that’s all. I rent a basically shitty apartment. I don’t have a pot to piss in. I took some furniture that I thought meant something, but now, I hate it, and it’s old. I just can’t afford to replace it. I just want the chance to live my life out without having to be reminded. I just want a job where I’m treated like the responsible hard working human being I am — actually, strike that. I just want to go to work and be treated normally. I don’t even need extra appreciation. I just don’t want to be bullied when all I do is my job (okay, and then some — but I don’t even need anyone to say “you went above and beyond”). I just want to do the best I can do, get a paycheck, and come home and live my life.

    I’m sorry for venting. I am so emotional. I want to write back and say “This never happened”. Can I do that?

    • hi also abused
      i prepared some material to post
      re anyone interested in teaching themself the law
      will do that first
      it can be copied anytime by anyone interested

      then i’ll read your medical matter
      i’m just a lay person with that level of knowledge
      will read your post, then say something if i have anything to say
      maybe it’s just what next step i’d take next if i had the same problem
      (((hug)))

    • Fuck. It’s the PTSD. That’s all they see. I have it too, and I’ve been in this exact same boat. Instead of turning tail, you march back in with an appointment for an office visit no clothes off and demand a referral to a cardiologist for follow up. No holds barred. Just stand your ground. This is not a psychiatric issue. If there is a possibility of heart block you will follow up with a competent doctor in the appropriate area of specialty. Repeat ad nauseum.

      • My son has PTSD. So hard to treat but we found EMDR and it helped him so much!

      • Fresh Air, I wish wish wish I had the strength to do that. I really do. Perhaps the “old me” would have. This person I am now, I’d rather just die. I hated that doctor visit soooo much that I know one thing, I’m NEVER going back there, not EVER.

    • “Friends, I need some help (especially from those of you with medical experience)”

      Read your post, but I do not have medical experience. Sorry I can’t help you.

    • AA

      I’m not sure whether it would help, but my suggestion would be to learn about cognitive dissonance, which may allow you to help yourself, rather than consulting unhelpful doctors. Here is a place you could start: http://www.injusticeanywhereforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=151&t=2509

      I expect others may have other, probably more appropriate, solutions.
      The idea is to learn how to understand emotional problems in a detached way.
      That may help you to overcome them.

      • Thanks Basse, it’s okay. I shouldn’t have asked here. I know that. I just am lost. I don’t know where to ask.

        Geebee, thank you. it’s a topic I actually know a fair amount about. But it doesn’t help. I wish wish wish wish it did.

        • What? That you feel safe enough to ask for help here is evidence that you are in the right place and among friends. I’m the one who is sorry, because I cannot assist you. This site is teeming with intelligent, compassionate people who ARE qualified to give you advice.

          xoxo

    • Forget this doctor, go to the ER. I remember you saying you were in DC, if possible go to Sibley Hospital for Women in Chevy Chase/Bethesda area. When you are feeling better, read “How Doctors Think”. If a Dr doesn’t respect you it is time to find a different one.

      • Seek, I hate this doctor. I won’t go back. Sibley would be very difficult for me to get to based on where I live, other than an expensive cab and I don’t know if they’d take me. I don’t drive. I don’t exactly know why you recommend it.

        • I’ve heard it was very good, but actually I do not remember if there is an ER or not. Anyway, my two cents is go to an ER or urgent care that you trust. I was so dumb last few months – I was in terrible pain after dental surgery, and just kept returning to the DDS who didn’t help me. I was living on much tramadol & ice pack glued to my cheek. I was low on the tramadol, so I finally decided to go to urgent care for more. Well, they fixed me up – lots of anti-inflams & anti-b. He said it was a salivary gland infection. I tell you I live with chronic migraine, but I have never been in pain like this infection before. I was so lame to blame myself or stress, & wait on the dds, instead of trying another source to get adequate help.

          It’s always physical, don’t just try to live with it!

          • Good advice from seek, AA. I have no med knowledge, but drop this doctor immediately and go to ER or another doctor (check references online.) Mention your physical symptoms first before mentioning that you are under stress from work and from the devastating abuse history.

    • I’m worthless with regards to medical advise. I don’t know if you can afford it but I’d go find another doctor and ask for more than one opinion. You sound like your at the end of your rope…do you have a friend you could talk to ? I’d get out of that apartment for a while and go out to dinner or something. Do you have a pet? I take my dog on walks when I get all stressed out.

      • Ann, I agree. But being able to schedule a doctor appointment is not within my realm of possibilities. My schedule changes on the drop of a pin. I could be told a schedule, make an appointment, and then, it changes. I’ve been told to cancel doctor appointments in the past. I gave up making them. I find out a tentative schedule on a Friday afternoon, late, for the coming week. But it can change. I can start at 11 and work to 7. Or I can be told at 6:30 a.m. on a day I expect to come in at 11, that I need to be there by 8 or as early as I can. I can have one schedule one day, and be told to change it the next day. I simply never know.

        I wish I could just go to dinner, but where do I go? I can’t walk very far. I don’t have any friends here. I don’t know anyone. I do have pets, but they are cats. They don’t like walks!

        • a gym in the evening? or a walk where you feel safe from cars and people, walk to a store just to get cat treats, with comfortable sneakers on.

    • AA, you need a really good endocrinologist. I have hashimoto’s and my daughter has graves, She just had her thyroid removed. Believe me we have been to hell and back getting the right dr.s and diagnosis. Make sure they are reading your test right. A thyroid test is read the opposite of any other test. If it says you are + (then you are hypo) if it says – then you are hyper. You would be surprised to find out how many do not read the test correctly. Yes, it does make you feel terrible, nervous, jittery, exhausted. Getting the right dr. it the KEY. Daughter is RN, and she still had problems and basically had to educate the drs. It has been a real b**ch.
      Work situation: Type a letter with your complaint and deliver it in person to you HR rep. It puts them on notice, (basically not to fk with you) if it continues, you will have documentation.

      • That is good advice. I am almost certain I have Hashimoto’s and have had it all my life, but right now there is no money to get my thyroid checked out.

      • EB if there’s one think I know, it’s that endocrinologists suck when it comes to thyroid disease. They are just awful, probably the worst out there. They know diabetes and that’s about it. I’ve had my share of struggles with my thyroid disease for sure. My saving grace was this site: http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com

        HR is in New York, I’m in DC. Janeen said I need to give my boss a week to respond to my complaint and see what HR said, so I can’t do much right now.

    • also abused
      as said lay person only
      read it once

      if you don’t like your doctor dump him

      number of non technical matters
      errors, talking over, etc

      does your insurance allow you to change your md ?
      i presume he’s an md, not a do ?
      they also have those locally

      if that’s what you decide to do 1)find another good doctor then 2) dump your present
      doctor

      how find a good md ?

      if you have a good pharmacist ask him who he/she suggests
      pharmacists know more about pharmaceuticals than regular mds, so they know which
      mds are idiot prescribers, and from that you can guess which are idiots in all medical
      matters

      also, ask friends, neighbors, co-workers, church people, who’s opinion you value
      because they’re smart, and even more if know people in the medical field, who’ve help
      them decide which md or specialists to chose
      also ask why they make the recommendation

      re a’hole at work
      later
      but now diary it in detail, dates times substance

      • Wes! Awesome idea asking a pharmacist to refer an M.D.! This is SO true! My daughter is going into her 5th year of PharmD (she will be a Doctor of Pharmacy after 6 years) and she has been working in a pharmacy since her first year. Although she doesn’t divulge names of M.D.s to me she DOES say that SOME do NOT have a clue and others are on the ball. I think if AA speaks with a pharmacist, it may be the best thing that ever happened…It may even save her life!
        Also Abused,
        I hope you know you have the right to have a second opinion. Your time may be up and down on the work schedule but you HAVE to take care of your health. You have to say you NEED a certain day off each week. Then you can schedule your appointments accordingly. You also should look into getting a medical advocate who will keep the M.D.s in line. You are dealing with a slew of incompetent boobs and need to empower yourself with knowledge. Do not give up, just do it! You know you can, I know you can. 🙂 XXOOO

        • Hi Dorothy, yes, I know I have the right to a second opinion, but getting off work for a doctor’s appointment is an exercise in futility for me. I can’t ask for a certain day off a week. I can’t even get a regular schedule. When I have scheduled appointments on days I start at 11, my schedule has been changed last minute, and I’ve been required to cancel the appointments.

          “You also should look into getting a medical advocate who will keep the M.D.s in line.”

          What is this and where do you find one? I’ve never heard of a medical advocate before.

          • Maybe this will help, AA. This is from the Maryland Attorney General about Health Advocacy.http://www.oag.state.md.us/Consumer/HEAU.htm

            Or try googling Medical Advocacy. Quite a bunch of stuff comes up. Maryland is actually my home state. Why I moved here is beyond me. But that’s a different story.

            • Thanks Jennifer. I don’t have a problem with my insurance not covering a procedure or anything. Googling it a bit more, it kinda sounds like medical advocates are something needed for someone who needs chronic care.

              I didn’t realize you lived in Maryland too. I’ve only been here for less than 2 years but I like it, so far.

              • I said “Jennifer” and meant “Jeff”. I’m so sorry. I am brain dead this morning.

                • That’s quite alright. It’s 4:10 AM here and I’m starting to feel a bit loopy myself. I lived in Maryland through my childhood but haven’t been back in a long while. I’m sure it’s changed a bunch.

      • Thanks Wes, those are all good suggestions. I appreciate you trying to help. To answer a few questions:

        “does your insurance allow you to change your md ?
        i presume he’s an md, not a do ?”

        Yes, my insurance does not require me to choose a primary care doctor and I only saw that guy once. He is an MD.

        “if you have a good pharmacist ask him who he/she suggests”

        I don’t even know a pharmacist, let alone a good one.

        “also, ask friends, neighbors, co-workers, church people, who’s opinion you value”

        I don’t have any friends in this area. I don’t know my neighbours at all. I don’t go to church. I have previously asked co-workers, but given the nature of this area, most of them live pretty far away in the distant suburbs of DC — miles away in MD or in VA, mostly. Since I don’t drive, getting to where they see doctors is impossible. I have lived here for less than 2 years after leaving my abusive marriage where I was very isolated.

    • “I’m sorry for venting. I am so emotional.”

      If you are ever feeling emotional ( and I feel emotional dozens of times every day ), and it’s getting out of hand, first try to work out what the dissonance is.

      Then decide how you are going to reduce it.

      From your description, you were perhaps hoping this doctor was going to help you, but you have discovered this is not going to be the case. That’s probably simplifying things, but it seems to be one element.

      Some have suggested going for a walk, but you say this is not possible. But could you try some other form of exercise – I don’t know, play a game with your cats! Or just continue to talk through the problem here. There are many questions : is your PTSD causing some problems? Has empathising too much with Jodi caused a problem? Do you know if your problem is psychological or physiological, or a combination… which is the most likely explanation.

      Just some for starters!

      • Thanks GeeBee.

        “From your description, you were perhaps hoping this doctor was going to help you, but you have discovered this is not going to be the case.”

        Yes and no. I’m more concerned with whether or not I actually do need to go to the ER right now (I didn’t go last night, I fell asleep exhausted). I’m angry that I wasn’t told during the appointment that the EKG was NOT normal and was, instead, treated like a psych case. Then, yesterday, I get a call telling me that I DO have a physical issue. That’s no way to treat a patient!

        “Some have suggested going for a walk, but you say this is not possible.”

        I could have gone for a walk, but exertion has made my heart race even more this past week. What was suggested was walking a dog and I don’t have one.

        “is your PTSD causing some problems? Has empathising too much with Jodi caused a problem? Do you know if your problem is psychological or physiological, or a combination… which is the most likely explanation.”

        Yes to the PTSD. I think the situation at work triggered my PTSD. But I may have a real issue with my heart, with thyroid storm, and that’s what has me very concerned.

  93. Hello…My first post ever been here since week 2. Enjoy reading everyones comment.
    Im 100% Team Jodi.

  94. The shitbags at HLN have a new ‘Verdict Watch” ad running. The large photo of Jodi they chose to use is a photo showing Jodi’s cold sore. Such a-holes.

  95. TEACH YOURSELF SOME LAW

    HI Y’ALL

    i’ve put together some material for anyone interested in teaching themself some law

    it’s a long post, but since things are quiet, at the moment i thought this would be a good
    time to post the material

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  96. To Anthony on that other .com how the heck do u know he was so great, and wonderful, and even if he was that didnt mean he was an abuser and sexualy all over the place, then mean and hateful … u heard that with his own voice, so it in his own handwriting. and please do not say he could have been president one day. how the heck u know she wouldnt have had that chance as well. anthony, wake up and smell the fresh air. sex is one then being a mean and person who hurts another on and with purpose is another. eventually this would have hurt him no matter how it happened. his guilt and self loathing for the contradiction is what turned it into her fighting for her life. how do people stop getting that part…!!!!

  97. AA, not an expert in EKG, but your labs don’t make sense. If your T3 is elevated, your T4 should be high also, not low and your TSH should be low not normal. In hyperthyroidism where your T3 is elevated it can cause rapid heart rate and nervousness, anxiety and irritability among other symptoms. Glucose being slightly high doesn’t mean anything if you had something to eat within few hours of blood being drawn. My doctor tried to tell me I had high blood sugar, but I would eat before my appointment so it didn’t mean anything, I finally did a fasting blood sugar to prove to him, it was the timing of the test and not a problem with me, cause I didn’t want to go through all of the crap tests he wanted me to. BUN is a waste product of protein metabolism and would indicate low protein in the diet. I would find another doctor because your thyroid really needs to be checked out and an over active thyroid can cause the symptoms you described. Thyroid problems can make you feel like you’re crazy, I know I’ve had thyroid problems for years, but mine is on the low side, and if I get a racing heart, then I skip my meds the next day. And the last time I saw my doctor he told me doctors are no longer treating patients who smoke. I smoke too and he said I was lucky he was still willing to see me. New push by insurance companies because of obama care. Don’t even get me started on that subject. But you can rant all you like, I’ll listen.

    • i use two websites
      mostly after i get a diagnosis from my good md

      mayo clinic for medical information
      http://www.mayoclinic.com/
      under “health information” across the top
      try “symptom checker”

      Symptom Checker
      http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/symptom-checker/DS00671
      i haven’t used this
      but its the mayo clinic ie no slouch

      next use the national health service website
      nhs is in the uk
      its the public health service for the united kingdom

      website
      http://www.nhs.uk/Pages/HomePage.aspx
      i see there is a symptom checker there also
      part way down the left column
      Symptom checkers
      hat happens now?

      Work through the questions on the following pages to find the most suitable symptom checker for you. —-
      http://www.nhs.uk/NHSdirect/pages/symptoms.aspx

      again haven’t used this
      but i’d have confidence wasn’t wasting my time at both sites

      i’d use them both

      shouldn’t take long
      compare results maybe between the mayo clinic and the nhs

      maybe chat here more another day when this immediate problem attended to

      (((((hugs))))))

    • TB1 thanks. I agree that my labs don’t make sense and given the mess when drawing them, I can’t help but wonder if there was an error. I also agree about the glucose. They gave me orange juice 15 minutes beforehand. I suffer from hypoglycemia (low blood sugar) which I’ve had since I was a child. I know all too well how quickly orange juice can bring my blood sugar back up. It’s a “trick” I use frequently. I’m sure my BUN was low in part because I had NOT eaten that day at all.

      I am absolutely appalled your doctor told you doctors are no longer treating smokers! OMG that is just awful. Such a thing to say to you. Unbelievable what some doctors will say. UGH!!!!

  98. ok today i read the tarot card this time i asked will the jury find jodi guilty of 1st degree murder as JM wants and the hates use 5 cards meaning cards are up or down up is yes and down is not down = reversed and all the cards were upside down reversed meaning NO NO NO NO NO may 5 juriors say NO just dont know but I hope the cards are telling the truth because it will be like a breath of freash air to hear this and to see travis sister the cop 🙄 her eyes one more time and cry cry cry that she did not get her way to have her put to death. Sorry you lost your brother but you need to find the real killer and move on and leave jodi alone ….. 🙂

      • will the cards have never lied to me…. even when they predicte death … in casy anthony they said the child died in water only water i new of in the case the swimming pool told others about it and was poop pooped she killed her with cloraform and left her in the trunk and everything the prosecutor had to say but before the defence told us about the pool insident i already knew form the cards I will not disbelive will believe and love that nurmi told the jury the house of cards story.

    • Can you ask the cards about N.G. and JVM? I am curious as to whether their substance abuse problems are active during this trial. Those chicks are off the beam.

      ^^ Was that written offensively? I just woke up. Sorry.

      • this tarot reading is one that is done to give a yes or no answer there is no one card that is drawn there are 5 it the card is right side up it is a yes if the card is upside down it is a now if the cards are 3 down 2 up possible no or so on but all 5 cards were upside down

        • Hey Tonya, It’s like you and the Nurminator said—IT’S IN THE CARDS!!!!!!!:)

          • I sure hope so! I don’t really know what to think about tarot cards, to be honest. My dad did a “yes or no” tarot reading with me before. My question was if I would marry my boyfriend (at the time) and the answer was no. It was obviously accurate seeing as how we aren’t together anymore. 😛

        • I bought a pack of Tarot cards today Tanya, because you have made me very interested 🙂

        • I don’t understand them, but I think they are fansinating. I’m open minded…I’ll take that as good sign!

    • That is hysterical! I didn’t realize she had a drinking problem. Perhaps she could get together with Dr. Drew and he could help her out. What a show that would make, huh? LOL LOL LOL

      • Good call, AA! I didn’t think of that. I’m going to start posting on his FB page that he should have an intervention for “poor Nancy Grace”. Thanks for the idea!

  101. Wouldn’t it be absolutely hilarious if the judge actually had it in for JM and in this way allowed him to show just how incompetent he is on national TV?!!!!!! Maybe she’s sick of the worm too! And knows that his other convictions were all based on bold-faced lies, etc.,! (PS, This is not in the judges defense! t’s just an ironic little thought that popped into my head before I had my vodka fix!!! LOL)

  102. KN aka THE NURMINATOR knocked out Iron Man (the comic book character) as my new “man-crush” after the way he obliterated the states “case”! LOL

  104. HLN is running these .5 hr murder mysteries and so far the 2 I’ve seen are similar to JA case with forensics and physical evidence. This story is a false confession one.

    • Guess they’ve stopped arguing amongst themselves on hln or taken it off the air because they couldn’t even agree to disagree on the same subject. They actually power trip with each other to see who can be the fugliest . . it’s insanity and bizaar there

    • “Anonymous” is more likely to fight FOR this site than ever attack it, IMO. They have fought for internet freedom, supported the Occupy Movement & Wiki-Leaks (by attacking MasterCard & PayPal who cut off funds to Wiki-Leaks) , fought against Scientology, the Westboro Baptist Church, outed internet bullies and so much more. They support moral causes of all kinds. They usually fight for “the little guy” and against huge corporations.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cqP8qqqfI0

    • OMG that’s the same woman who was all over me, and later our own Heather (in the UK) on Vladimir Gagic’s site. I gave up early. Heather kept on fighting the good fight but that woman was really vile and nasty.

    • I don’t believe anonymous would hack this site. Why? Because they don’t like liars who get away rape. Travis was one of them. Steubenville was a case they got involved with, too.

      I think they would probably laugh in the faces of anyone who asks them to hack a site that’s dedicated to exposing a man who said he thinks it’s hot to pop the cork of a 12 year old.

  106. just dont open anything on fb or here or anywhere that you are not fimiliar with and even then you cant even trust a friends post because they can hack that too. just be carefull what you open i lost one computer of this shit and have a new one dont open anything and this new one has a good anti virus protection on it and even with that is not enough just be careful and you should be ok

  107. I would love if some of you who have been here would take a minute to comment on my thoughts. I mean I am really worried that the outcome is not going to be good for Jodi. And it will be because all the coverage this story is getting, I cant see them just letting her off. I am realistic in hoping for manslaughter, even though I am not sure that was the case either…
    The state is laying out a story that should of been illegal to do. Lying to the jury. I just hope that the jury are smart enough people to read thru what he said.
    1. he said that Jodi took Travis’s gun,(Robbery) and yet in the same breath said she brought the gun with her (premeditation).
    2. He (state) said Travis never had a gun, Come on, it’s not possible for all this to be true, its
    either one or the other!
    3. In Travis’s own words he talks about little 12 year old girls and sex
    4. How does a 110 lb girl drag a 198 lb full grown man down the hall with 1 hand, and put him in the shower (other hand holding the camera)?
    5. How does a 110 lb girl over power a 198 lb athletic grown healthy man? He would of slung her off him like a rag doll.
    6. why isn’t anyone asking about the foot print found in the dried blood that had been there for at least 2 days before the body was found?
    7. where are his roommates?
    8. And just because someone is a liar, it don’t make them a killer.
    9. If she had come to Az to kill him, then why didn’t she just do it in his sleep? I mean come on, who has sex, lays around nude and taking pictures of each other, (assuming they are having a good time together) and then all of a sudden starts to stab their lover to death?

    Mr. Martinez used abusive tactics to confuse the jury and the witnesses by mixing words from the witness with different sentence’s.
    I don’t know what really happened, but I believe that if Jodi hadn’t admitted to doing it, they would not have a case at all. Because NO EVIDENCE has proven her guilt. NONE!
    I hope that the real truth comes out, something just isn’t right here.

    • Much agree with you on most all you say even if I knew nothing of this case. Too many tilt your head and say “huh, no way” things no matter how much someone tried to convince differently. We know nothing about the people on the jury but if they just so happen to sneak peeks I hope they find this site where we’ve researched and investigated .. questioned everything for or against . . we’ve made no excuses for this case . . some answers simply are not available and the only one that doesn’t get it was martinez.

      • Some or most of the jurors will turn on their common sense
        and bingo!
        We have to stop focusing on the states lies
        and because of our common sense, just pray and have faith
        the jurors will use theirs

    • SH you have lots of questions and a lot of us here have asked the same ones over and over and we did our investigation too. he is what i saw in videos and flores report jodi had the truth and told flores the truth and he had chris and sky hughes truth the only think flores did right in is police investigation is he put chris and sky hughes on the 1st page he got that right and nothing else the rest is all crap travis word crap. some one must of told the hughes that travis molested or could of molested one of there boys and from then on all hell broke loose that is probable for travis’s rant on may 29 but he must of convinced them he did not and everything calmed down just like he did with the girlfriends he had lie to one and play the other some figured it out and other may not have but in the end he died for his ways now take the roommates in the flores report detailed brakedown it puts a big ?? on zac and the other there and the ones that showed up the day he was discovered. jodi did it she told flores the killes let her go and he say why jodi why would they do that and why because they now can blame the murder on jodi she was there she had the camera they snuck up on her when she was taking pictures of him and they have the camera to show she was there they piched the camera in the washer this is PPL people they make big $$$$ selling there shit oh spend some money and get a lawyer when you need one and make money with us but she paid her money and sure did not get her money worth from PPL they left her hi and dry. now she is free they let her go she runs to ryan because she was expected there or was she just coached there because chris’s brother intrudes ryan to jodi and plans were made that she be there on the 4th and dont forget what he said are you going to be a cold fish to me when you get here or something to that affect the killers were shocked that jodi was at travis’s house they knew she was suppose to meet ryan. she gets there and who is there at the meeting ???? about that too. dan hall the 4 wheeling the gun tootin piece of shit said oh it was funny she had long sleeves on in the 100 deg heat and jodi said she had on short sleeves and some one said where did you get all the broozes on you did travis beat you up… ???? then she is asked to go 4 wheeling and she said no if she had said yes she would not be here now they would have killed her and then the jodi did it would have been on they way when the cops found him she gets home and is scared and buy a 9mm gun someone envites her to go on a camping trip and she did not go in the mean time travis is sitting in the shower undiscovered again could not kill her the day or hours before flores calls to talke to her she tells us that dan hall called before that happened wonder what they told her did he put the fear in her then. im not a writer so this my seem confusing but now its june 9 and mimi hall is wondering were is travis and he is now found and take to from there to jodi and intruder story continues for years till the day ashley thompsons reeds death the one that call the police and said i think my husband my have done it or knows who did it. she is dead and the suside is suppious then jodi gets a call or her lawyer tells her matt mccartney does not want to get involved why because he can help her but he must have gotten a call from dan hall the one that goes on tv and say travis never had a gun but put up the fact that he has assult weapon you can see that matt was affraid for his family asked jodi to keep him out of this and the careing person she is says yes and to this day he has been left out 4 monts latter she changes he plea to self defense the day chris and sky hughes took the stand you can see the squirl shacking in his boots on the stand aftraid they may find out the truth jodi must have at that point heard their voice and remembered the day that trais died and the intruders she told flores she could not id them because they had on hoodies and described the cloths they were wearing and way you can take what ive said so far and use you commen sence to see the truth just as the jury is suppose to do

      • What an interesting take on this.
        I am perplexed on the flores talk w/ jodes mom. The mom said everything seemed easygoing and normal and when the phone call comes days later, THen she (jodi) goes into a major 3-4 day crying jag.
        I wonder if ta was still alive when she left.
        also the cigarette smell in the rental. sick of hearing about gas cans btw… smoke ‘n mirrors.

        • You know that cigarette smoke in the rental car was weird. It never came up again either. Jodi doesn’t smoke. Who does?

          • I don’t remember hearing about the cigarette smoke. Would you mind explaining it to me?

            • The car rental guy testified (and noted in his report) regarding the return of the car that there was a smell of cigarette smoke in the car upon its return. Odd seeing as Jodi is Mormon and Mormons don’t smoke.

  108. OK Tonya .. thank you . . I just found it on a hacker site I follow . . I did leave a coded msg for a request to respond to my question before I would give more information to the Inconvenient truths admin. who is also listed for the hackers to hit .. the hackers won’t but bother either site but just wanted SJ and sandra to know. It would be a good guess Cate thought she would be incognito and unfounded.

      • No, I didn’t mean for it to be like I was promoting anything against her, NO NOT AT ALL! I am just saying that I am really hoping that the jury see’s differently. I mean all of us here support her, I hope that there is at least one of us on that Jury.

        • I know SH…It’s just that right now, I’m trying to stay in a positive frame of mind. I haven’t been to HLN in a looong time, and I’ve felt so much better. I just don’t want to see anything that’s against Jodi anymore. Believe me, I’ve seen enough for it to break my heart.

          That’s all I meant. No worries.

    • love your hat to bad we did not see the crime see with luminal that would have told a different story but they kept that a secret too

          • Same here. Its pretty much the Spring “4th of July” for most of us here in Cali!:-)

            • LOL! I’m very familiar with how long Mexican celebrations can last. hehee..my brother’s wedding lasted about a week. 😉

              • COOL! I bet once Hispanics become a majority in Cali Cinco de Mayo will probably become a legal state holiday here!:-)

                • lmao!! We’re taking the country back, one enchilada, torta, and/or taco at a time! heheh

                • Right you are Sil! We are the rightful owners of this land too! But we also are a good and very moral people. We will show compassion, understanding, and mercy to those we rule so long as we are treated as the Masters of the nation!!!!:-)

  112. I find it amusing that there are TONS of places on the web (including the one SJ posted herein), where the supporters of Travis Alexander can go rant and rave and vent and viciously attack Jodi and clamor for her death in the name of the Lord and in the name of justice…yet this one little humble website, where apparently is the only place we, the minority, are able to freely voice our support for Jodi without fear of intimidation…this little website has all these people in such a a rage.

    I wonder…Why are they so upset about one little website when they’re like roach infestation, all over the web!? Everywhere you go, they’re there spewing their vitriol and hate, Everywhere.

    Perhaps *our* voice of reason although quiet, is quite strong, and they can hear it in spite of the mighty gusts of wind that travels back and forth between their ears.

    • I feel sorry for them. They will have to answer to God. We know that they know he abused her and used her.

      • I LOVE your Gravatar! You’re beautiful!!

        And yeah, I agree, they will have to answer to a higher power…and I know that deep down in their cold shriveled hearts they KNOW he abused her, but would rather go to hell than admit it.

        They’re some scary scary folk.

    • Exactly . . been saying it all along .. they’re scared to not agree . . something has them spooked. If one of them feels in their heart or actually knows the “haters” sites are wrong minded and showing it in their activities, they can’t say so. Imagine what would happen to someone if they were a neighbor/teacher . . they couldn’t go to work the store, be in their yard . . nothing without these people attacking them

      • yes Britney . . you go girl . . “independent thinker” This world today needs more independent thinkers who are not afraid to speak up when right is right and not be coerced. It’s rough . . society has changed so much. We don’t have to be corrupt but if we don’t educate ourselves about corruptness . . the bad guy runs over us Warped.

      • I always think that they hear something like Pavlov’s bell and immediately react and rush for their rations of bullshit.

    • Well said, Sil. I totally agree! “I wonder…Why are they so upset about one little website when they’re like roach infestation, all over the web!? Everywhere you go, they’re there spewing their vitriol and hate, Everywhere.” Roach infestation LOL!!! So true though.

    • We may be the vocal minority, but it is possible that we are part of the overall majority – I talk to many people who aren’t online about this case, but do thing it is very overcharged.

      • tonya, I’m also pleased by the results of your card readings. It’s just like an extra umph! =)

    • AND THE LITTLE ONE SHALL RISE UP

      I believe it is a verse from the bible I can’t find it fast enough to post.

      • I have faith, so much faith, that Jodi will be fine. I am not even worried.

        Seriously, when I am going through some kind of hardship or distress, I trust the Lord. I leave it in His hands and He’s been so very kind to me. Of course, I do “talk” to Him constantly, not just when I need something. =)

        Funny thing is, that I don’t go to Church and I never feel like I have to. Well, I do go to church, sometimes, but not to mass or anything. I just go because I find so much peace there and because I LOVE the smell of candles and flowers. heheh

          • Thank you, Tony. I really do try to lead by example. I have the great responsibility of raising a son on my own and I don’t take that lightly. =)

            • Sil, I’ve always known that women have a moral superiority edge over men. Glad to see you know that with that moral superiority come moral responsibility!:-)

              • I wouldn’t call it superiority over men because I know plenty of wonderful men who are awesome fathers to their kids, but in my humble opinion, I do believe that we as women have a responsibility to teach our kids about respect, and I feel that with boys, we are especially influential in how they treat women later in life.

                • Malcolm X once said that the mother is the foundation of a family. She’s the first teacher of the child! One of the many reasons why I look upon women not as equals but as betters.:-)

    • I know! right? They even use this website to share info, I found this lady, on her twitter with her blue ribbon, sharing this site as a go to for info on this case? weird and she had some up close and personal naked pics of Jodi for all to see, called her a hermaphrodite or something like that? Look up Chris Stark on twitter, she is spreading crap on this site, yet sends people here for info, or so it seems? She is creepy

      • she is creepy and I think she really like Jodi, she has her naked pics up everywhere, weird people, I would never ever put that sort of thing on my twitter along with pictures of little boys in boy scout uniforms? Wow, the crazies this trial has brought out

    • “yet this one little humble website, where apparently is the only place we, the minority, are able to freely voice our support for Jodi without fear of intimidation…this little website has all these people in such a a rage.”

      Excellent point, Sil. You know, one day last week, I saw some haters saying we were like “The Following” TV programme and that Jodi was our Joe Carroll. So, I guess we’re all psychotic serial killers. Puh-leeze!!!!

  113. I got called a troll and a spoiled brat (lol) for voicing my opinion about Jodi and the trial. These haters are like gnats. Of course that’s not going to stop me though because I’m one of those people who likes to stand strong and proudly voice my opinion on something no matter what anyone else thinks. However, this trial has really opened my eyes to how much hatred is in the world (which is what causes incidents like this in the first place), and it’s saddening.

    • It is very saddening indeed.

      What really gets me, is the women…OMG, these women are so hateful! Why? Why would they say the things they say about Jodi, a person they’ve never met? Especially the ones who claim to be victims of abuse….I am not a victim of abuse of any kind, but I’ve read all the stories posted by our friends here and I feel terrible for them…and to me, and I may be wrong, but I find it reprehensible that a person who claims to be a victim of abuse would judge Jodi so harshly *and* subject Alyce to such bullying and intimidation and frankly, ABUSE!?

      It’s like they’re perpetuating the cycle of abuse and they don’t even realize it. Isn’t one of the reasons that victims don’t report abuse the fact that they feel they won’t be believed? Everybody’s story is different, so why do they feel Jodi’s story does not meet the criteria…what the fuck is the criteria? From what I’ve seen here, all my dear friends here were subjected to different kinds of abuse. Not one story is the same, except that they’re all scary as shit!

      I just don’t get it. These women are just lost I think. 🙁

            • LOL well . . maybe that’s why some religious and political groups are starting their campaigns trying to get women on a chain again.

                • At the basest level, they’re jealous of Jodi. Just as they were jealous of Casey. Both women are young and attractive. Not to generalize…but when you see the photos of the women on the pro-pros boards, they’re overwhelmingly plain and average. Jodi/Casey/other women like them remind the haters of attractive women in their own lives whom they’re jealous of.

                • And that makes me ill. Why are people jealous of other people who have been through hell in their lives? What’s there to be jealous of?

    • After Kevin Horn’s legendary performance Wednesday evening, I can’t believe anybody swallows that HLN bullshit anymore.

      • that, which might go along with what KN set up for appeal if things go awry and the absolute circus going on with hln outside the courthouse . . geeze . . I would be embarrassed with that kind of support. Too if the ta supporters were/are his “friends” .. yuk. Isn’t it said we’re only as good as the company we keep

      • Gosh, tonysam…I’m so completely in agreement with you. Jodi should be found innocent, just on the fact that these fuckers railroaded her and LIED for the State. Jodi’s lies were NOTHING compared to what these assholes are trying to do. They’re trying to kill this girl at whatever cost.

        It’s immoral, reprehensible and they should be tried with some kind of crime!

          • But, the issue that I have, (and the jury may as well) is that although WE are sitting here talking about Dr Horn and how his opinion changed, and when asked, said it was a “typo”, even though JW went after him on the stand in a BIG way, he just calmly repeated it was a typo. So, now we have the big day, the closing. Nurmi, (and I hate to say this but it’s my view) did little to nothing about this issue. I mean, seriously, he mentioned that there were “conflicting reports between the ME and the detective”…..and then he said “somebody’s not telling the truth” or words to that effect. This was in the first half, before lunch. He also said during that period, “but we will shine the light of truth on that a little later”. Several times in his closing he said that, and to me, I assumed he would come back to it after lunch and address it head on, full steam ahead, in fact, by impeaching the ME’s testimony. (which simply means you tell the jury that they were lied to and you can’t trust them anymore) I watched the whole thing, and have since re-watched it, and he just didn’t come back to it. At all.

            This is what bothers me, among other things. He didn’t have a time constraint, he could have gone on 2 or 3 more hours. Why in the hell didn’t he say something like, “ladies and gentleman, you heard the ME tell you he made a typo, you heard his testimony change”…etc etc…..and bring in Flores, anything at ALL to get that jury to start thinking about it. He is no dummy, he is a good attorney, and he had free reign to say that. He can “impeach” someone by saying that they lied on the stand. This has been bothering me alot, and this isn’t an attorney who doesn’t know this case.

            I did some searching around about “perjury” just for my own info. It is a hard thing to prove, it isn’t something offhanded at all. In order to commit perjury, and to be charged, you have to go to court (as it’s a crime) meaning you have to be charged. To be charged, it has to proven that you “willfully swore a false oath” meaning, you have falsely promised to tell the truth. Further, “Statements which entail an interpretation of fact” are not perjury, due to unwittingly drawing inaccurate conclusions, honest but mistaken beliefs about facts, recollections may be inaccurate”. Further, to be convicted of perjury,you must have the intention to commit, and then actually commit the act. ”

            I think many people believe that perjury is something different, and I got this idea back when morons and ALV haters were going after her with guns blazing. There was talk of perjury, she should get charged with perjury…blah blah blah. This, based on her statement about how many men she testified for in a criminal trial. She made a mistake, she was trying to remember, and she said what she thought was correct. To be honest, perjury is NOT even lying on the stand about something, if it is immaterial to the proceeding. For example, she could have said she was 30 years old, and although not true, it isn’t perjury as defined by the law. (dumb example I know) Anyway, my point is this, perjury is quite serious, and the reason she wasn’t tried or charged for that, was that a mistake on the stand isn’t perjury. So, in Nurmi’s closing, he certainly knows this, and had he said “perjury” it would have been a huge deal, and a sidebar like we’ve never seen. He also never asked for perjury charges against anyone, as he knows the law. The best he can do is point out to the jury that he feels someone isn’t telling the truth, or at least make them think about it. I wish he had done it forcefully, but there must be a reason he didn’t, remember, he wants the jury on his side. If he had said something about that typo, and went on about it, instead of saying what he did, the jury could really have an issue. After all, they had a juror question for the ME and he answered. There were no more questions after that, and there could have been. I feel Nurmi was just trying to play it safe and leave that alone. believe me, if that man thought there was perjury going on with him, Flores, or anyone else, he would have filed with the court. He is on his game when it comes to filing motions when he sees something not right. This is not an issue to him, at least it isn’t his big issue. His big issue, the one he has worked so hard for, was first, to get the Manslaughter charge in, (which he did) and second, to remind the jury that this was chaos, pure and simple, snapped, heat of passion….etc…,.leaving alone totally the self defense claim. He pretty much let that go and focused on the other scenario, and he told the jury why. If they must convict her, make it Manslaughter. This, is what he wants, this is what he is likely praying for, (if he prays) and this is certainly what Jodi wants. His job, from day 1, all those years ago, was to save her life.

            • Good information. I’m with you, I would have liked a little more gusto from Nurmi … to make his point. Perhaps he wanted the jurors to think they did a good job & caught Horn on the dura mater discrepancy. Get the jury on his side thing.

            • Perjury is something that is extremely rarely charged. People lie on witness stands every day.

              But remember, it would be the state that would have to charge it. Nurmi couldn’t charge Dr. Horn or Flores with perjury. JM’s office would have had to do so.

        • It IS a crime to commit perjury and to tamper with witnesses. ALL three of these clowns–Martinez, Flores, and Horn–need to be doing jail time.

          To me this is not just about Jodi Arias and Travis Alexander or even about them anymore–this is about the blatant corruption by Maricopa County officials.

          • See, ok – I agree with you but what about how JA did as well. We know she tampered with witnesses (magazines, telling different stories to different experts, lying on the stand, etc) but I guess it’s harder to prove the Pros did to the same degree? Horn messed up BIG time, so did Flores, JM couldn’t keep himself on track and back peddled on a lot of questioning.
            Sigh, I’m just so confused

            • You have no understanding of American criminal law. None at all.

              I don’t think you even belong on this board. Jodi did not lie on the stand. Suspects lie all the time in police interrogations, especially those who do not exercise their rights to an attorney.

              You are making excuses for CRIMINAL MISCONDUCT BY MARICOPA COUNTY OFFICIALS designed to railroad somebody to get a death sentence. This is so serious it cannot even be debated.

              The right to a fair trial is one of the most important rights we have in this country. When officials abuse their power to gain a conviction regardless of the cost, it is absolutely beyond the pale.

            • Vicky T: Where have you seen proof that Jodi wrote codes in the magazines? See my post below.

            • We KNOW she tampered with witnesses? She lied on the stand? There is ZERO proof of any of that!
              If you are still “confused” this late in the game you are either dense, or you are a pedo-hugger. The end.

        • This is where I have trouble – I honestly don’t believe the pros version of events but I don’t believe that of Jodi’s either. Both sides lied. The state lied (undeniable) on the stand and the DT admitted jodi did as well. Would you want both sides persecuted in the same manner?

          • VickyT,

            So based on just the evidence, where do you stand right now?

            Forget the lies on both sides. Just based on all the things that can be proven…would you say, she went out there with a plan to kill TA?

            I’m not sure why you are still confused about Jodi’s guilt or innocence. And Jodi’s lies have come back to haunt her big time. She has been indeed persecuted.

          • I can’t believe your comment. Where did Jodi lie on the witness stand? We are not going to rehash the interviews with the crooked Flores or the idiotic television interviews when she didn’t exercise her Miranda rights and had any access to a lawyer..

            These corrupt officials are trying to put Jodi Arias to death on fraudulent testimony and non-existent evidence. It doesn’t get more serious than this, people. There is no evidence to convict Jodi Arias AT ALL of anything not just because of the flimsy evidence offered, but that the officials are tainted and Martinez is tainted. He’s a crook, pure and simple.

            • I agree, tonysam. I have no idea where these statements about Jodi lying on the witness stand and lying to experts are coming from. And hell yes, it’s damn serious when the OFFICIALS in this case are busted as liars! Jodi’s life is on the line.

            • If there’s one thing I’ve learned from this trial it’s that it doesn’t matter who you are, whether you’re a person of interest, suspect, witness, parents of suspect, when the police come a knockin’, keep your pie hole shut and get an attorney. I finally watched JA’s parents interview, salt of the earth folk, who didn’t think that maybe they should have an attorney with them. There’s no such thing as good cop, bad cop when it comes to an interrogation or interview. They’re all bad, cause they only want one thing, they want you to shoot your mouth off, they want you to spill your guts, and you can be certain that whatever you say can and will be used against you, or in this case against your daughter Jodi. Only the wealthy can lawyer up in such short notice, recall JonBenet Ramsey’s, Mom, Dad and bro. All had their own attorneys to represent them in their interviews. I’m sure Jodi’s parents thought they were doing what’s right, but I bet now they regret ever saying anything to Flores. In my opinion everyone should be Miranda-ed, not just the arrestee.

        • She should have been charged with something like, leaving the scene of a crime, or not reporting a death, now there she would be guilty and it would give the jury more leeway and correct charges to give her but like the Anthony case they have overcharged her and not given the jury options. Casey should have been charged with same sort of thing, not disposing of a body properly or reporting a death but these prosecutors just want to flex their muscles and use up the states time and money in order to showboat for the media. It should all be stopped, so wrong and I hope the jury gets this right and doesnt go with m1 or m2

  114. JM tried to come up with some stupid shit about JODI writing in code in the magazines. Does he not know that ALL conversations are recorded in jail! And that maybe JODI just wanted to get the facts out to someone before the troll got them and twisted them up! Also, why did the guard feel the need to confiscate them? It wasn’t like JODI was trying to sneak anything out of jail! Usually only things and people coming into a jail are searched—not when they are leaving the jail! Seems to me that the weasel may have had some of his cronies working for him at the jail too. (Could it be that other asshole Araipie-hole?)

    • She did right in code. That’s pretty much been proven. Most prisoners are not allowed to give things to visitors so when she asked the guard if she could do so that, I guess, set off a red flag in his head. The real,question is what was JA talking about. It may not have been anything bad AT ALL. maybe it had to do with her life growing up or some other mundane fact. It didnt have to deal with TA being a pedo but that’s how JM twisted it. .

      • VickyT:

        Huh? Where was that proven? It’s never been proven that Jodi wrote those notes. Layman’s analysis of handwriting. In her journals Jodi crosses t’s below midpoint. Magazines notes are different. Also, y’s and 4’s are very different.
        https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/13124_268053509993186_38132649_n.jpg
        JM insinuated that Jodi wrote them notes, but no follow through. Why didn’t he have an expert testify? He just wanted to plant that in the jury’s minds. Looks like that worked with you. Just more trickery.

        • Yes, something said can never be unsaid, something heard can never be unheard. So JM doesn’t need it to be true and doesn’t need to prove that it was indeed JA who wrote that code.

        • Wow! The “4”s are very very different most especially. That is really interesting. Numerical digits especially are something that a person usually writes the same way every time. I have wondered about my handwriting getting so much worse and gone back to old address books I had when I was in college 30 years ago and noticed that my numerical digits were made the same way I do now. Interesting.

        • hay vickyT your so fine you blow my mine hay vicky this was all done around the time of ashley thompson reed death and matt macartney told defence will not testify because ??? his family was threatened if he did. now do some home work or go home to the hate site they will love you there.

      • Thanks Vicky T for clarifying that for me. And you’re right that it may not have been about TA at all. Also was it ever mentioned as to when she wrote in the magazines? (just curious—not in disagreement with you)

      • Right . . she might not have written the things inside the magazine, it was never proven but as you can see, jm threw it in there like it was real along with tons of other things during his fairytale narration . . he even mocked “story telling” .. He’s obligated under law by the state to practice law .. you really want a person like that representing you?

      • Vicky…you must be watching HLN and Dr. Drew for your trial updates…hmmm….they will steer you wrong on all issues of this trial…

        Their network is for entertainment purposes only….

  115. Opening line on Monday nights Nancy Grace. BOMBSHELL TONIGHT!!! You can be a pathological liar and still not be guilty of premeditated murder.

    • Holy crap! I just saw a commercial of NG’s upcoming special about her interviews with the inmates…WTF?

      • yeah saw a cut from it this morning . . she was hugging them n chyt . . phoney ass . . too bad they don’t know what she really feels about inmates

      • I had to laugh at one of Vladimir Gagic’s tweets the other day: “Vladimir Gagic ‏@vlga 3 May
        Just turned on #jodiarias and saw commercial for new @hln show called “Nancy Grace: Behind Bars”.

        I like the sound of that.”

        Hahahahaha

      • I’m afraid she is out to lord it over and abuse these poor inmates, especially the ones who would do anything (even talk to NG) in order to be heard.

        • Like the inmates aren’t being punished enough!

          “Your sentence is five years in prison and 10 visits from Nancy Grace.”

          • Meow, Hispanics will become a majority in Cali within a year or two. Both Cinco de Mayo and Mexican Independence Day will inevitably will become equal to July 4th as the Hispanic population grows.:-)

  117. I find this ironic:

    Some of the Juan groupies are gushing over the fact that Kermit quoted this poem in his closing:

    “Each man’s death diminishes me,
    For I am involved in mankind.”

    Yet he is also seeking to kill a person…

  118. hey rb, just saw your post and now I also am wondering if JODI actually wrote in the magazines or not.

    • Aren’t mags precious commodities in jail? Maybe, Jodi inherited the Star Mag from another inmate and the code was already written in it by someone else. I noticed that whoever wrote the code used the European 7.

      • I believe they implied the magazine came from Laviolet. Maybe it was a jurors question.

  120. okay beautiful people. I need my beauty sleep so I bid you all Good Night!

    (((TEAM JODI ALL THE WAY!!)))

    And to the trolls and haters roaming this site… A big unanimous FU from all of us!! =)

      • Hey sil, please don’t think of me as a troll nor a hater as I actually commented to soon on Vicky T’s post. Because, after I realized what she had said, it dawned on me that it has never been proven that JODI had ever wrote anything in any magazine at all! Nor was it ever proven that it was her hand writing!

        • Duke..she’s probably been watching that entertainment channel HLN and Dr. Drew to have gotten that misinformed information….

        • Don’t worry Duke, I wasn’t referring to you. I was mainly referring to VickyT. =)

      • Hey Tony, I misunderstood Vicky T’s comments. Please see my reply to sil and to Vicky T. Thanks

  121. Is there a way that a petition can be started to have the Supreme Court look into JM’s “case history? Because it appears to me that JODI may not be the only person that he has railroaded via trumped-up charges to pad his “win” record. Something is very wrong in Maricopa CO—— and their initials are JM,EF, WH, SS , and Joe Ass-hole!

    • There’s too much that’s gone too far in this cover up that everyone knows about from the judge/defense/prosc/me and crime scene investigators . . Appears as tho Jodi is taking the fall for something. I’m in the middle of a case that’s going to court and was informed yesterday the opponent got to my civil engineer, he cannot testify because the opponent threatened him with ruining his business with insurance companies. Oh yeah . . well . . I hired his professor, who taught him, still teaches and is not bound by any insurance company lol . . People will go to great extents and extort to keep from owning up to their responsibility.

  122. Have you seen the tweet re a group prayer for Jodi tomorrow @ 6pm PST? There is a tweet on her page about it that says to see the Jodi arias friends and family FB group for details.

    I was not able to find it. Does anyone know how to access it? Thanks

    She has a cute tweet regarding the 9 days out of 10 comment: 🙂

    Jodi Arias ‏@Jodiannarias 4h
    9 days out of 10… that sounds about right.
    Expand

    • anyone see the attempt where a Cate Ellington posted a request to “Anonymous” to hack this site, the fb sites?

    • I don’t tweet or do FB, but please know that I shall at that time offer a silent prayer for JODI’s freedom!

      • Same here as she’s always in my prayers but will make a point of it during that time . . strength in numbers. The end fate is in Gods hands and have prayed that if we do not get what we would like to give us ability to accept what we don’t understand.

  123. It’s late, my head hurts, and I’m stressed as hell. Will be til Monday, and then Tuesday, and then whenever. Waiting for the verdict is almost painful. Trying to refocus on other things as best I can. So, I’m going to bed, and wanted to just say this. Remember, this is a trial. The people on both sides were hired by the State. This is their job. They do what they are paid and told to do to the best of their ability. Nurmi, Wilmott, and yes, Juan, do not hate each other. They are all attorneys, working their sides. In court, each brings their battle, full on. After court, they actually talk, and even smile a little at each other. I have seen attorneys go for drinks together after a trial, and be friendly. It’s common. We are all invested in this to some degree, meaning, we do not want to see Jodi get the DP. Or life. Her side, her attorneys, certainly don’t either. But remember, what ever happens, her attorneys will go on to new cases, as will JM. This is one job of many. Law practice is like chess, it really is. It’s almost all strategy. The people on HLN don’t matter, the nasty websites don’t matter, the name calling, the fighting back and forth,even here, none of it does in the end. This will be over soon, and whatever the verdict is, it is. All of us, who come here to vent, to worry, to discuss, support, we will all go back to our “real” lives. The jury will render their verdict based on their intelligence and common sense, and what the law requires in those instructions. Then it’s over. We can talk about what they should or shouldn’t think, see, do, but in the end, it’s not up to us. We have all been close, we are friends here, coming together in a small group that is far outnumbered. No matter, we did. In the end, whatever happens, I want to think that we rose above the hate, the awful names, the slurs, and all the other garbage out there. Thats important, whatever happens.

    • Well said Anna! No matter what happens too its important that we all stay cool and calm as well.:-)

    • Amen Anna, Amen.(Although I seriously doubt that JW and KN are going to have much to do with JM after this trial is over. Because I really don’t think that any defense attorney likes JM!!!!! 🙂 )

      • I think that there is genuine dislike between Nurmi and Martinez, just as there was between Baez and Ashton.

        • On Friday afternoon/evening, the camera was still on. All the jurors were gone, most of the gallery too. All 3 were standing at the Judge’s bench, and talking together. JW and JM were smiling at each other, saying something, and laughing. Nurmi was smiling too. Who knows what was said, but they were all smiling as they waked away from the bench. They might not like each other during trial, but at that moment, they were just 3 people being normal. It was actually nice to see.

          • It’s possible that JW and JM get along fine outside of court. Baez and Linda Drane Burdick liked one another and wished each other luck.

    • Thank you, Anna for putting everything into perspective. Yes, very well said.

    • No Juan Martinez had no right behaving the way he has in court.

      He has made a laughingstock of himself and the state of AZ during the course of this trial. His underhanded bullshit has been sponsored by taxpayer dollars, and any self respecting citizen of this country would be appalled that he is being paid from OUR paychecks to be so abusive to witnesses and defendants.

      He has abused his position of power, and worse, the public is either oblivious or believes this is normal. I have to wonder, what county do people think we live in, if they think this is normal. Do you, Anna, believe this is a civilized society if his behavior is common place? I don’t.

      So no, I will not give him a pass. He was not just doing his job. He could not present a clear or concise case, and he had no business signing autographs outside the courtroom where he could be seen by jurors.

  124. i dont remember the day it happened but it was just recently, nurmi objected and before she could talk he said can council approach the bench, because he knew she was going to overrule it, only she didnt and he was like.. wtf.. you didnt shut me down before thinking this time?

    • Wow…..thats interesting. I read the story, and thats a sad one. Shot the man and his dog? Ex cop? sounds to me like he thought being a cop meant he could do whatever he wanted including murder. Wow. Being an animal lover, and especially a PitBull advocate, this makes me mad. That warrant comment is f-ed up. Hope he nails him.

      • Interesting . . I’m on the fence about the cop, will have to wait and see what the story is. From a previous article the cops there in Mesa aren’t happy about alot of things . .Jeff do you get that idea too?

        • Absolutely. They aren’t a happy bunch. Then again, they aren’t the greatest to deal with either. Their response time is atrocious. I know from personal experience that when you call in a complaint and ask for an officer to be dispatched it takes them several hours to respond, if they show up at all. But I believe this guy was a Phoenix cop; they are a totally different breed. IMO they are much more aggressive. They have to be though, working in the city. Quite a bit more shit happens in Phoenix as opposed to Mesa.

      • Oh I’ll definitely root for Juan on this one! Look I support law inforcement, but shit like this ANGERS the hell out of me!!!!!!!!

        • From the article . . some cops there have and are promoted into free will based on whomever they’re answering the call to . . about 30 cops filed complaints about favoritism not just internal but how they are instructed to treat certain communities. Not to bring up a bad subject . . the article was Mormon governing and some cops want the Mormons to get their noses out of law enforcement. Adjacent to the article there was a youtube of a couple that quit the faith but openly stated amongst other things like the womans months still abides by and is abused physically/emotionally by her father but mom won’t leave and that Mormons are absolute power over Utah. I dunno, raises flags tho.

        • I’m with you there, Tony. I hope they throw the book at this guy.

        • Me too Tony! Of course I feel bad for the man who was ahot…but then to shoot his dog too! That takes a special type of cruelty to me. People who are cruel to animals are shown (proven) to be cruel to humans as well. It makes me sick. Every psycho killer, serial, etc, has some history of animal abuse in their past. Creepy and sick.

          • Anna.

            Look what I found tonight….

            Paxton Travis Wilcox death 11-511 ( Hillary Wilcox TA sister kid)

            Travis Alexander death 6-4-2008

            Pamela Alexander

            2-10-2005

            James Sarvey
            3-16-02

            Gary Alexander

            1997

            Norma Sarvery

            2012

      • I remember a criminal attorney told our class that it doesn’t matter what the case is about, when a dog is killed by the defendant, jurors will always return a guilty verdict. All Juan has to do is phone it in on his next case.

        • Awww . . and lol. Wonder if this case was on jms mind during Jodis case since so many other animals were brought up lol

          • As long as I don’t have to hear his voice anymore, good luck to him on his next case.

        • Indeed…….most people do not want to hear of a dog being shot. Or killed in a deliberate way. If it’s a police dog, it’s a felony. Personally, I would make animal abuse crime (all of it) a felony in every state.

          • Anna posted information above for you…. deaths are all almost 3 years apart

            • Thats alot of deaths in the family. One was a child? Who are the others, I’m guessing his parents are there.

              • Paxton Travis Alexander is Hillary Wilcox’s child

                Travis Alexander ( we know this one)

                Plamela Alexander ( is the mother)

                Gary Alexander ( is the father)

                Jame Sarvery ( grandfather)

                Norma Sarvery ( grandmother)

                all are almost 3 years apart, just as they get over one death there is another death in their family. No wonder they are all so bitter…. and want death for jodi .

                • That is alot of death, I actually forgot the grandmother passed away last year. I have had many deaths in my family too, 3 in 1 year alone. (2009) and the rest further back. Always very sad when a child is lost. Sigh. 🙁

              • Yes, one was a child. On the grave stone the death was the same year the child was born. Hillary use to have a FB with a photo of her son and her husband. I went looking for it tonight but it’s gone, and all the family members have removed their friends and cleared most of their FB information.

                • I wonder why they have done that. I can;t picture which sister Hillary is. The youngest looking one?

                • I believe that they got scared when the sister started that hate crime against Alyce and it escalated to several hundred negative reviews of her book on amazon and etc and the death threats toward Alyce…

                  Another website, WS, told their members that if any of them posted anything anywhere or on amazon they better delete their comments off those posts…

                  I hope that Alyce will be able to sue them…

  127. Hi y’all. Sorry i haven’t been commenting more. I have been reading along with your posts tho. Its just that with PTSD it has been so hard to handle listening to Martinez.

    Try to remember that the jury is not going to commit someone for life or especially kill them with the death penalty based on things like ‘if she stole a gun’ or ‘if she bought a gas can’ or ‘if she has BPD’ …..all the jury has is a bunch of ‘ifs’. And they don’t give a flying fig about witnesses and backgrounds in the end because they and they only have to deal with their consciences based on their decisions. They know that everyone involved in this is going to go on with his or her life, and this is all gonna be nothing more than a three day wonder in a year’s time.

    They have plenty of evidence ( actual evidence ) that travis was a creep and that Jodi was a little strange as most extremely smart and artistic people are. But so what in the scheme of things. If i was a juror, i would be saying ‘how dare you pull me away from my life and my income and my peace of mind when you have nothing concrete to give me to hang a verdict on, you dimwits! All this time i have been waiting for your big other shoe to drop and THIS is it?? Somebody go tar and feather the grand jury form even letting it get past them! And btw dont you have illegal aliens to catch and obama to impeach or something? This is arizona!! ”

    The girl said she did it! And she said WHY she did it. If you dont believe her than prove it …BEFORE..you get to court and waste everyone’s time and money. What part of STAGNANT ECONOMY did you forget to understand?? And btw det. Flores, get your sorry butt back to work and actually earn that taxpayer money we are borrowing from china to pay you with!

    And seriously, if five, just a freaking FIVE of the jurors have half a brain between them, this sordid soap opera of a publicized fiasco will be over by monday afternoon and the jury will hand it over first thing tuesday morning.

    Oh and by the way, about the throat slashing and the over-kill ideas….forget about it. 1. MEAN people are hard to kill. And 2. There is nothing wrong with making good and sure you actually KILLED one before you turn your back on him or her. If the citizens of Arizona are so stupid they dont know that with all the snakes they have then they deserve to be overrun with mexicans. Maybe the mexicans will run the state with more common sense.

  128. Lies…Lies…and more Lies…we heard so many lies in this trial from so many people…people who kept perjuring themselves…people who kept changing up their stories that even I was getting confused…geesh…

    Now raise your right hand and repeat after me…”Do you solemnly swear or affirm that you will tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God?” “I Do”

    And silently thinking…”NOT”

    After you read some of the articles and watch some of the videos it is no wonder why so many of the mormons tell lies…lies…and more lies…

    Posted by: Real Mormon Truth
    Lots of documentation, facts, people’s stories, videos…and etc….

    [quote]These are the things that I knew all my life as a Mormon as did my Mormon family. We were taught not to talk about these things though. Why would the church want us to not share the truth about their church? Yes another thing wrong with the Mormon church, they refuse to look at the truth and feel they must lie for the Lord.[quote]

    [quote]My parents to this day as “good Mormons” lie all the time. They were taught to lie in their church, and today they lie about everything because they feel everyone is out to persecute them. Mormons are a sad people. My only hope is that we do indeed have a forgiving God that will forgive these people for all their lies, and that Smith is in hell where he belongs. Meanwhile, enjoy the video.[quote]

    http://realmormontruth.blogspot.com/

  129. Hi Holly,
    Good post…..it made me laugh too, which is helpful lately. Without going into all the why’s, (it’s really late and I’m exhausted) I will say that I wish I had your confidence. I wish I could even lie and say I was confident. I do believe it will be a short deliberation, Tuesday at the latest, (just my guess) You are correct though,everyone involved will go on with their life, and this will be a memory, another high profile trial that had people talking, and networks going crazy.

    • Hi Anna 🙂 not to worry dear. Even if the jury is stupid enough or simply has no conscience or no respect for the law, the fight aint over!!!

  131. We are allowed to administer CPR to dogs and small animals, with special O2. masks. It works too. We’ve successfully revived dogs and cats.

    • I did the heimlich (sp) manuever on my chow chow puppy once as she breathed so heavy she sucked up her puppy chow into the wrong pipe!!! I decided i better wet that stuff down and give it a lil weight or i was gonna be forever chasin that puppy around the house tryin to save her life! 🙂

  132. Ya think a new name for the haters is in order? As much as they scope our sites out to leave smut, I think “stalkers” would be appropriate since most the time the word has been used wrong . . noticed that too in jms fairytale . . he would say actions of or stalker-like .. he knows it was not used as definition by law what an actual stalker is . . otherwise we’re all stalkers .. there’s a difference between stalker/observer/surveillence

    • Like who hasnt peeked in a door’s glass to see if he’s knocking in vain or interrupting someone. Every juror has LOL. Martinez stuck his foot in his mouth ( not especially hard for his height) more than Joe Biden!

    • I have called them abusers and rapists from time to time, depending on the kind of harassment they have posted here at this blog. Who else but a sadistic shithead *defends* a man like Travis Alexander, or says that it was his right to use and abuse Jodi any way he saw fit?

      And aside from them being sadists or haters, I believe they are psychological terrorists. Why else would they want to make threats to Jodi, her family, friends, or supporters? It’s disgusting. They want to take away the rights of anyone pro-Jodi by way of threats, intimidation, asking Anonymous to hack us, ect. Not only is it disgusting, it’s disturbing.

      If they think we are so fucking wrong, fine. Then they need to stop visiting this blog, stop harassing us, stop trying to put in a good word for Travis or Martinez, ect. It really is that simple.

  133. Anyway those mormons are sneaky and they are a cult. I told one of them that was bothering my son when he was a youngster, you get on outta here and leave my son alone. I read the bible to him and he knows the truth from God Himself and dont you approach him one more time. 18 year old Elders…what hogwash!

    • You are so right about them and they dont have a leg to stand on. The whole New Testament condemns them! Thats why they had to come up with a ‘new’ new testament lol. Remember those commercials!? Yall are prolly not old enuff! Lol

      • The truest version of the bible was by tyndale and he was burned at the stake so people would not know the interpretation of old testament or king james . . I hear alot when teabaggers annoy my friend . . no wonder the romans threw christians to the lions lol

  134. Dont put anything past them! Contrary to popular belief we are NOT smarter than satan nor are we more powerful. But God is. Yes there will be some persecution if you stand up for the truth no matter where you do it…even on the internet. That is the way of this world. But that doesnt mean you have to cower in fear and say nothing. Just be brave and have some character about yourselves. Dont be a hater whilst exposing the haters….but dont pretend the haters are something they are not just to try and be sympathetic either. The truth is the truth.

  135. This was a great discussion…now i am goin to sleep before i drop my ipad on my nose!!! There are plenty of places to talk politics and religion besides here, but i will tell yall that i have been very curious about the way our world has been shaping itself in both areas and how it will skew not only this jury but many juries to come. I cant help but try and see the bigger picture sometimes. Good night and dont fret too much. Love, holly 🙂

  136. Go team Jodi! I read this site every day and , although I’ve only commented once, I feel like I’m part of this community. You have opened my eyes up to the truths in this trial and I truly hope the jury has manage to figure out these truths on their own. If there is any justice in your country, then she will walk free.

  137. LMAO wow, I have never even heard of that site until today.

    I have heard of a site that posted the names, pictures and addresses of the Arias clan including friends.

    But to hear the dude actually say “and I’m not going to apologize,” wow just wow!!!!!!

    Really these people have NO CONSCIENCE. At all. When they say they believe in God I just can’t believe it anymore. Unless they would rather PLAY GOD than believe in God, but that’s a whole other post.

    Travis Alexander for president. Yeah right!! An exemplary life? Don’t make me laugh! Travis Alexander was way too lazy and egotistical to get into politics. I do believe a lot of politicians let the power go to their heads, but the initial reason they get involved is to be an active part in improving society. Travis didn’t even know the meaning of the word “society” or how his actions might have affected others. Plus he was not interested in college or thinking about anything except how wonderful he was.

    He was too much of a self absorbed egotistical self promoter to be president. Sure, I suppose those qualities might have helped him RUN for president, but even if it came to that I think most people would see through all that self congratulatory BS and voted for the other guy or gal, no matter how much they disagreed with them. At least, I would HOPE society is smart enough to see through self congratulatory BS but I’ve been wrong before.

    IMO some people should have never been born, and Travis is one of them. He contributed nothing to society or the people around him except conflict and misery. Even in death he inspires the grossest of all violent hatred I have ever seen in my life, and that’s saying something considering the shit I’ve been through. He had NOTHING to offer Jodi, or anyone else. Like his myspace page said, he was only interested in money, women, and power; but he forgot to add “shameless self promotion” along with that. He was an insurance salesman, not a surgeon, a caretaker or a counselor. He wasn’t interested in the well being of society or anyone else around him. That much is clear (footing the bill for dinner doesn’t count. Sorry, but that’s just another manipulative ploy of self promotion, IMO).

    And I don’t believe he was trying to change. If he wanted to change he would have apologized to Jodi and stopped using her sexually. He would have apologized to EVERY woman in his life he was screwing over literally and figuratively, and if he were an honorable man he would have married Deanna rather than letting her hang out to dry as “damaged goods” in his religious community.

    It suffices to say that I have never drank the haterade, and I never will. So when some starry eyed Travis fan wants to tell me he could be president, well I just scoff. What a fucking joke. I mean really, the man couldn’t accomplish much except how to make other people feel sorry for him and hate his girlfriends. The proof is in how the public has responded to this case.

    • MB have you seen where Cate Ellington is requesting Anonymous to hack this site and the facebook ones?

      • Yes but I don’t think they’ll do it. Why would they? They hacked to expose rapists in Steubenville, why would they hack to prevent us from exposing Travis Alexander for what he really is?

        • Oh cool and NO they won’t hack here. She only has 3 on her friends list one being that Abe flake. LMAO they hack to expose people like ta if that was the case.

          • Cate Ellington is a loon. She’s singing Kevin Horn’s praises over on Pitchforks…Kevin Horn who is a moron at best and an egregious liar at worst.

            Travis for President…honestly. The guy was a snake-oil salesman for an MLM scam.

    • Indeed! And if I read one more comment that he is in heaven I will throw up. The only thing heS wanting now is a drop of water and trying to get Jodi to bring it to him. I hope she finds her way to the Truth and gets outta that mormon hogwash when she gets out. Jodi if you can read this, read the bible for yourself, u are a smart girl, you know good and well that ANYBODY whether joseph smith, mohammed, or the pope delivers ANY other gospel to you other than what Jesus and His apostles delivered….even if an angel did…it is a lie. You can count on that.

      • Yes, I really dislike their theological claims. When I look at this from the Christian perspective, I can point out that they are not God, nor can any mortal claim to know the will of God so it says in the Bible. Secondly, vengeance is the Lord’s. Not Tashina Alexander’s. Third, Jesus idiot proofed the entire gospel and they still don’t understand the meaning of the phrase “Love god with all your heart mind body and soul and love your neighbor as yourself.” It’s so fucking simple, and they can’t even muster that much.

        They should stop calling themselves Christians. They should stop pretending they believe in God. Because it’s clear they only pretend to believe in God, no they are playing God and presuming God’s will is to put Jodi to death.

        • Ahh but each life is just a vapor ….God is not mocked. He’s just extremeley patient! i woulda smited the whole bunch of them a long time ago lol. Whew God has great patience!!

          • You know Holly, I’ve seen people have bad luck. Like Dr Samuels seems to have bad luck with abusive people attacking him over nonissues. Sometimes we’re just bound to repeat some patterns that for some reason, don’t seem to go away. It’s part of being human.

            But this group… my goodness. They seem to have the worst juju. Like Clancy Talbot getting impaled in a freak accident shortly after she sicked the dogs of injustice on Jodi. I am not a religious person, but IMO it is obvious the Universe was sending a message there.

            • Well, sooner or later, and usually sooner with fools, people’s actions and talk catch up with them. I for one knew travis got His own justice the day he died. He tried to play God and everyone for a fool and look where it got him. He served himself his own justice! If you dont want somebody to kill you then dont attack them! Novel idea! Smarty pants got taken down by a 120 lb GIRL ….how appropriate!

              • I so agree Holly. I sometimes stop to wonder, if Travis had just accepted Jodi’s plea to get professional help, if that would have prevented all this. Because if he had just swallowed his pride, re-evaluated his ego and all it took to feed his ego; I don’t think any one of us would be sitting here today. But NO, he had to go on being an abusive ass, and shit went down.

                ” If you dont want somebody to kill you then dont attack them! Novel idea!”

                I had a LOL at that… but it’s so true isn’t it!!!!

          • They should worship an owl because their sordid evil has finally come home to roost!!!

          • Well right – they need to quit the pulpit-pounding fake Pharisees praying in the streets and become everyday run of the mill idolaters. It would be a hell of a lot more honest, wouldn’t it? I’m not sure that pun was intended, but it fits doesn’t it? haha

            Seriously, they oughta drop the act, drop the label and I don’t know; maybe even get initiated into some religio-magickal tradition where their fasting, praying, candle lighting and usurping the will of God actually applies to the belief system. But they should really stop calling themselves Christian. It’s clear they are only using Jesus to get a pass on their sins, they aren’t interested in the Bible or any of it’s teachings. Or worse, they are like Travis Alexander and believe that defrauding people religiously will open up new opportunities to women, money, and power. God help us all. 😉 Or like the bumper sticker says, “God please save me from your followers” because I think in THIS case, it really does apply!!!!!

            • Oooooh MB You said it all in a nutshell right there!!! ~~~~and believe that defrauding people religiously will open up new opportunities to women, money, and power. ~~~~

              Annnnnd guess which “religion” has the most money….the mormons. Oh the catholics have more in priceless artifacts, but i am talking hard cold cash in the bank…thats right…the mormons. And that is a fact.

              And you can follow that stinking money trail right to Satan himself. So dont be surprised to hear and read such lies from people that are in cahoots with the father of lies. Oh there might be some foolish young innocents that have gotten sucked in but it doesnt take long to figure out this is a false religion if you are really seeking the truth. I have just such a friend that got out of the mormon church at the tender age of 21 by her own common sense. So it can be done.

              • It’s great that your friend got out of this at such a young age. Sadly he has probably been saddled with some serious issues, and I say this because I have interacted with ex-Mormons that testify either directly with speaking out or not directly by their actions how the religion has affected their ability to function as a human being.

                It’s sad, IMO, because most of the Mormons I have met have always seemed like really nice people, but there seems to be a ton of baggage that goes along with that denomination. I mean, I don’t care how weird their beliefs are, in fact I’ve read about far weirder things, but when people can’t function independently, or objectively in their own best interest to the point where their emotional and physical health is affected, there’s a problem.

    • MB….I love your post…after reading about your comments on the politics…I’m just thinking here…what about a cover-up of…a lot of us have thought about a cover-up of some kind…

      What if TA was someone that the wealthy powerful church was looking at as someone they could groom for let’s say some type of political position…he was a good charismatic motivational speaker…but they would need him to clean up his act and start acting like they wanted him to…and maybe he did start hiding his relationship with JA at their demand…then put on a front of acting like a good boy to them…he knew what the stakes were and he was game to play them…and when things went wrong on that Wednesday, June 4th…the clean-up begin…the house, the computer, everything was just too clean…not a trail of nothing much in the home…except things that would incriminate Jodi…and all the friends pointed fingers at Jodi immediately when Flores first talked to them on Monday night, June 9th…

      http://mormonconspiracy.com/

      • I forgot to say MB that many articles that I keep reading on google indicate that that the mormon church is very much into infiltrating mormons into all levels of politics and government…

        • Oh I have no doubt about that! Money talks, and there are people out there who do not believe in America, or the Constitution when the founding fathers intended separation of Church and State to preserving EVERYONE’S freedom to practice or not practice as they see fit.

          Getting people to SEE this, though, is another story.

        • Can we say MITT ROMNEY? No other way in this world that mouth-breather got the Republican nomination except for Mormon cult money!

      • Thanks Truth! I really try not to talk about politics because I don’t want to cause unnecessary debate but I do think most people go into it with good intentions. It’s only after the fact – the lack of accountability, the power going to their heads, the status granted to politicians, the pressure to go along with agendas – do we see the corruption and negative aspects of the human condition. I’m even sure it’s a lot more complicated that that even.

        Thanks for the site – I have bookmarked it and will read more on it when I have time.

        • I agree…I don’t like talking politics either….and I used to work with one…yuck…and that is when I learned that I never want be married to one…they give me headaches…LOL..

    • “Travis Alexander for president.” Well, he would fit right in with many past presidents, right? Let’s see: Cheats on girlfriends, which translates into cheating on wife – check. Corrupt as all hell – check. Lies every time he’s speaking – check. Viewed as influential in a community with big bucks (Mormons, PPL) – check. I’m sure there’s a few more I haven’t even thought of.

  138. Jodi this is for you before i go to sleep for a couple of hours Hail Mary full of grace the lord is with you Jodi the lord is with you my he watch over you and keep you safe and be care full Nasty Nancy is coming to your jail to stir up trouble keep to yourself and watch you back god is spirit and can not stop someone from hurting you.

  139. Good Morning ALL!!
    I am having another great day with NO PAIN!! So thanks to all my cyber friends on here for your prayers.
    I just got done reading and responding to what I missed yesterday. I saw the post by Hayley from Aus. I think you need to get out of that house HONEY!!! I am going to have SJ send you my email address. You need a plan to get out of there. I am VERY far from a rich person but I have a home that you would be safe in!! I do live in the US but I do have contacts in the Domestic Violence field and I am sure I can get together the money to get you to the US. You are welcome to live with us for as long as you need. I can get you insurance so you are able to see the appropriate doctors for your disability. Please contact me!!! I cannot let you stay in that home any longer even if I have to send my fiancé to Aus. to get you I will do that. PLEASE please email me.

    • Hi Jennifer! So glad to hear that you are feeling good. We are all praying for you. Like I’ve said before, strength in numbers here. It DOES help.

      • Morning Jeff!! Thank you for the prayers!! I think we should all pray at the same time tomorrow as the Jury leaves the courtroom to deliberate. STRENGTH in Numbers does work.

    • Hi Jennifer. No probs. I’ve just done that.
      Great to hear you’re feeling better too!

      SJ
      Team Jodi

      • Thank you so much SJ. I really am worried about that lady. It is sad that she can’t get out.

  140. SJ PLEASE PLEASE send my email address to Hayley 1 from Aus. She needs help badly!!!

  141. AA

    Just read your post from yesterday.

    Two things:

    1. If there is even the slightest chance of a cardiac issue go to the ER. Fortunately one of the best cardiac facilities is right in our neighborhood, The Washington Hospital Center. Take the Red line to Brookland/Catholic Univ. sta and then the H2 or H4 bus to the hospital. Just go to the ER. I know the hospital well, my Dad had a triple bypass there. The folks are wonderful.

    2. The whacked out thyroid results coupled with some of the other issues you are facing may be the onset symptoms of a thing called Hashimoto’s Encephalopathy. This is a disorder related to, but slightly different from Hashimoto’s Thyroiditis. It is a disorder that is severely under-diagnosed in the US, though they are starting to get a handle on it now.

    Here are some links

    http://rarediseases.info.nih.gov/gard/8570/hashimotos-encephalitis/resources/1
    http://www.uptodate.com/contents/hashimotos-encephalopathy
    https://www.facebook.com/pages/supporting-those-with-hashimotos-encephalopathy/107900325921261

    Most folks look at the full blown symptoms, but the onset symptoms are similar to yours. I can suggest a couple of Docs who have diagnosed this or done work on it in the past, but neither are in DC. One is a Dr Pardo at Johns Hopkins in Baltimore and the other is Dr Nicholas Capazzoli in Annapolis. If left to reach its full blown glory HE can be devastating, but it is controlled very easily by a course of Prednisone.

    Have yourself checked out. Don’t let this linger, it’ll just get worse.

  143. While googling something last week, I came across a Legal Question & Answer thread on one of the hater sites. There are lawyers on there who answer questions. It’s been a really tough read as the lawyers are all so incredibly biased and the people asking questions are haters to the nth degree. However, there is some interesting stuff that I didn’t know about pertinent to AZ law interwoven among the hatred as there is a lawyer in Maricopa County who posts on there.

    One thing that interested me was that this lawyer said if the jurors ask for testimony to be read back to them from the trial, the judge will more than likely refuse and will instruct them to rely on their own recollection (as she did during the trial). In fact, this lawyer said he/she has never heard of a Maricopa County judge allowing testimony to be read back. Wow! In IL (back when I was involved in trials anyway), it was not uncommon at all for jurors to ask for testimony to be read back to them. Sometimes, they asked for transcripts, and generally, that was denied after the attorneys argued about it. Usually, that was because they were asking for transcripts of one side’s witness and the other side would vehemently object because they worried it didn’t favour their case. However, read backs of small portions of testimony were very common.

    I googled this a bit further and apparently, in FL, appellate courts have found it to be an abuse of the trial court’s discretion NOT to read back testimony. From what I found, it’s also very common in CA, NY and NJ for jurors to ask for testimony read backs and it’s typically granted. Apparently, in TX though, it’s common for a judge to refuse such a request. Also, in multiple federal cases, there are appellate opinions that testimony SHOULD be read back to jurors — of course, as long as counsel is apprised of the request and involved in the decision.

    In AZ, it seems the Supreme Court considers that read backs *should* be granted by the judge, especially in lengthy trials: http://www.supreme.state.az.us/jury/jury/jury1l.htm

    “Requests for particular exhibits or partial read backs of transcripts generally ought to be met. Since the jurors are the decision-makers, they ought to have the right to decide what evidence they need to rehear, and that decision ought to be respected. However, the judge should inform the jurors that the meeting of their request does not mean the judge feels one way or the other about the exhibit or particular testimony, and that they should consider all of the evidence in the case in making their decision.”

    So that begs the question — assuming this attorney who answered on that forum is indeed correct — why is this request commonly refused in Maricopa County?

  145. I was just on the site titled only idiots believe Jodi arias is innocent and was appalled at how they attack this site so I posted this after The admin responded to my post that I am not an idiot with the statement that we on this site have no common sense. I posted this

    I think I have a lot of common sense. Jodi is guilty of taken Travis Alexander’s life. She has admitted that. No one knows what happened behind closed doors between Travis and Jodi. The people who say the abuse did not occur have NO WAY of knowing that. Jodi does show many signs of being a victim of domestic violence. I post daily on the site created for Jodi’s supporters and have engaged in many intelligent conversations. We have our opinions and you have yours. There is no reason for people who post on here to degrade people who post on the support site. And vice versa. This case is very sad. Two families are suffering and a man has lost his life. And a woman is on trial and may lose her life. That is what all this is about NOT what supporters from either side post. I feel it is very childish that people are attacking each others opinions about this case. We live in America and are entitled to our own opinions and have the right of free speech. I think instead of attacking each other we ALL need to concentrate on supporting the family of our choice.

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  146. Feliz 5 de mayo! Hay que celebrar con coronas y modelo especial! Salud! 😉

    In English that means happy 5 de mayo time to celebrate with coronas and modelo especial cheers! 😉

          • When I was younger I used to live in Garden Grove. I’m in sacra now 😉
            Mucho gusto 😉

            • Mucho Gusto to you too my lady! I really can’t speak Spanish but I guess I better learn fast. I won’t be able to survive in this state without knowledge of it in a few years!lol

              • Haha you’re not Mexican? Wow! That’s it that’s it! Lol yea you better get started cause we’re taking over. Are you white?

                • I am Mexican but I just don’t speak Spanish. And I’m EXTATIC that we’re taking over!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

                • So you’re one of those? Lol jk
                  Ok Tony I’ll catch up with you later. I’m gonna watch day 54 😉

  147. I barely watched this video above…OK this Anthony guy with the Jodi Arias is guilty talking about TRavis someday being a president…ok that’s probably the only thing I could agree on. Most politicians are corrupt and Travis would fit right in!

  148. I just came about this site a few days ago, so glad to read like minded ppls comments and yes, I really hope some of the Jurors have come across this, too and are paying attention! I have a question though: has anyone noticed that the former GF who has the dog now was nodding her Head up and down when she answered on the stand that ta didn’t abuse her and was that maybe her way of letting the Jury know the Truth? Does anyone know anything about this?
    We are three women in SW Florida who are following the trial and want justice for Jody and you are right, ta already got his! Jodi and all her little helpers WILL be victorious!

    • It’s starting to feel like the general consensus here is, much like SJ said in his body bag post, that justice for Travis has been served and that justice comes in the form of his being killed. Now, it’s possible that this has been the community feeling from the beginning and my head has been up my ass so I failed to realize this. However, I’d hate to think that I was so far off about the people here.

      SJ’s stunt with the body bag photo was inappropriate but I understood that he was under a lot of stress with all the shit the haters kept shooting at him through their Justice for Travis t-shirt cannons. I didn’t fault him for it because of this. Also, I know all too well how the feeling of pride we have when we hold ourselves to a higher standard than those who seek to destroy us can only do so much until it just doesn’t offer comfort or solace anymore. When we reach this point, we resort to stooping to the level of our enemy, for lack of a better term, because it makes us feel better. Even if it is only temporary. Temporary is better than nothing.

      Still, I guess I was hoping he was using the photo and catchy title of that post as shock value to really drive his message home and not that he truly felt Travis deserved to die. But, since that post, I’ve seen more and more comments reflect the feeling of Travis deserved to die and this bothers me. Because, he may have had a basketful of issues but they did not warrant death. Hitting a woman is wrong, yes, and there should be consequences. But if the law itself does not consider spousal abuse punishable by death then how can we?

      “But he was a pedophile!”

      Was he? There is no evidence to prove this. No, his comment about a 12 year old virgin climaxing for the first time, the braided pigtails, and the preference of a hairless hoo-ha does is not evidence of pedophilia. Why?

      1. Pedophilia is a sexual attraction to prepubescents and, for the most part, 12 years old is not prepubescent. I’d had my period for a year already when I turned 12.

      2. Braided pigtails play on the school girl fantasy, which, just about every guy I’ve ever known has and none of them slow down through school zones so I’m pretty sure they aren’t pedophiles.

      3. If preferring a hairless whatsit makes one a pedophile than my husband and I have some problems. I prefer to keep mine hairless and my husband prefers it that way also. For some people, it’s more of a cleanliness thing and I would be willing to bet this was the case for Travis. He was meticulously neat to the point of obsession and this stemmed from his dirty upbringing. His own ding dong and no-no’s were also hairless.

      “What about the Spiderman underwear and him pleasuring himself to a photo of a little boy in his underwear? Or, don’t forget Chad Perkins’ Myspace comment.”

      Well, the underwear and the photo are claims made by Jodi and there is no evidence to back those claims. No photos of the underwear, no photos of a little boy found in Travis’ home or on his computer, and the only thing that comes close to corroborating Jodi’s claim is the Perkins comment but that is hardly enough to say, yes, in fact, he is a pedophile. I know guys who have joked like that. I refuse to try and excuse making jokes like that or explain why someone would but, the reality is, they do get made. That comment also talks about not violating his probation and Travis was never on probation. There’s just nothing to prove any of that happened.

      I look at it like this: The state claims Jodi stole her grandpa’s gun to use in her plan to kill Travis. This is huge because it would definitely be undeniable proof that she planned to murder him. There is proof grandpa’s gun was stolen and proof Travis was shot with the same caliber weapon that grandpa reported stolen. That’s it. This is nothing more than a ginormous coincidence because Jodi was never even named a person of interest in the case of the stolen gun. As a result, the gun is a non issue for me and has no bearing on my decision regarding whether she planned her crime or not. It’s a moot point.

      The state claims Jodi was a stalker and it relies heavily on this to support what they say was Jodi’s motive was (jealousy and obsession) to prove premeditation, as without motive, premeditation is impossible to prove. To prove she was a stalker, the state claims Jodi slashed tires and sent menacing emails to Travis’ girlfriend……except there is absolutely no proof it was her and no report of the tires ever being slashed other than hearsay that is biased, at best.

      The state claims Jodi peeped in windows, accessed his personal accounts, and spied through his phone. We do have proof of this by Jodi’s own admittance. However, there is also proof that they exchanged passwords to their accounts so that’s one down and two to go. She explained that she was stopping by to surprise Travis and noticed when walking past a window to get to the door that he was making out with someone on the couch in the dark. That she stopped for a minute and peered in for a closer look is not stalking. It is peeping but it is with reasonable explanation. She was simply making sure she was seeing what she thought she was seeing and I don’t know any female or male who wouldn’t do the same damn thing. Two down, one to go. Spying through his phone…..this is a violation of trust and she was wrong to text that girl like she was Travis. Have I done it? Yup. Does that make me or her a jealous obsessed stalker? No.

      Bottom line here: I cannot honestly say Jodi was a stalker who planned to kill Travis nor can I honestly support the idea that her motive for killing him was because she was jealous of his affection for Mimi Hall, mad about not going to Cancun, and was so obsessed with Travis that she would kill him rather than let anyone have him.

      But, I’m not the only one who cannot say those things about Jodi. None of you here can say them either and, when asked why, I’m fairly certain the answer will have something to do with there not being any viable evidence to support any of those things from every single one of you.

      So, with all due respect, how can any of you honestly accept the claim of pedophilia and beating off to a picture of a boy in underwear as well as the spiderman underwear claim and believe it to be true? So much so, that some here actually feel Travis deserved what he got partly because of those claims that they believe? A feeling that was quite clearly expressed with the ‘Justice for Travis…It’s in the Bag’ post/photo.

      Before you respond, if you decide to, keep in mind that there is as much proof that Travis was a pedophile, made Jodi wear boys underwear during anal sex, and beat off to photos of little boys as there is that Jodi slashed tires, sent threatening emails, stalked Travis, and stole grandpa’s gun. If you believe those things of Travis then you have to believe those things of Jodi. Just the same, if you disregard the things about Jodi then you have to disregard those things about Travis. Otherwise, you’re just as hypocritical, ignorant, and narrow minded as the haters. I don’t believe this is possible of this group here. There is too much good here. Plus, I’m never THAT wrong about people. I’m hoping, perhaps, you just never thought of it like this.

      If you’re wondering why it matters, I guess it doesn’t. Personal accountability seems to not matter anymore at all. Maybe, it matters to me because I still try to hold myself to a higher standard. I understand that I’m not always going to meet that standard because I’m human and failing is something I’ve perfected, I’ve done it so much. Still, this trial has really shown me how ugly it is to believe everything you hear even though there is no proof of it and how utterly wrong it is to judge someone based on what you hear.

      This trial and HLN has opened my eyes to the disgusting way we treat each other. Hypocrisy is rampant and it’s now my biggest pet peeve. We all have moments when we get caught up in bull shit and behave like this, there is hypocrisy here just like there is on the haters side. However, I felt this site was far less hypocritical than the haters. Thing is, I don’t think that was the case. I think we’re equally hypocritical over here but I think the difference is that we are not verbally abusive and violent about it. We don’t set out to destroy a person’s reputation and career simply because we don’t like what they’re saying as it doesn’t fit our agenda. Don’t get me wrong, I noticed a lot of shit talking and even some character assassination of Dr. Demarte from this site, hence, my comment that we can be equally hypocritical over here. However, as far as I know, nobody here rallied everyone together and led a crusade to destroy her entire career or sent out death threats.

      Maybe, I’m writing this because I read in one of SJ’s posts that he plans on re-posting a certain photo and I’m hoping he’ll read this and decide not to. Because, SJ, if you do read this….I believe in the message you’re trying to send as it relates to people should never physically harm their loved ones but your delivery sucked ass because using that picture clearly said that you felt Travis not only deserved to die but to be killed in such a brutal manner. He’s still a human with friends and family who loved him who are suffering right now.

      They’re coming to grips with the fact that the person they admired and thought they knew was someone else entirely. I didn’t know the guy personally but, from everything I’ve read from his blog and the comments left on his obituary (114 pages worth), even I struggle with the two sides of Travis. His loved ones are suffering enough from his actions and Jodi’s reactions, why add to that by taunting them so disrespectfully?

      Rise above it. Leave the low blows and tacky shock approach to this proverbial competition of who will win, us or them, to the people who are worthy of such despicable behavior because you, most definitely, do not qualify. You are so much better than this. I’m sure there’s another way you can deliver your message that is just as effective.

      The one thing about this site that has made me cherish it the way I do is the fact that, when I was looking for answers, I received intelligent answers from people here and those answers did not come with violent threats, personal attacks, or death wishes to my children. For the most part, those answers, even when the question wasn’t always Pro Jodi, were unbiased. More importantly, though, there was no hate and it was okay that I was on the fence.

      Something changed, though, after the body bag post. You said it ousted the fair-weathered fucks who are fence sitting passengers and you enthusiastically bid them good riddance. I used to post here multiple times a day but, since reading that, I have not been able to post nearly as often. Why? Because, I feel like I’m not wanted. Gawd, that sounded pathetic. There’s just no other way to say it, though. I’ve been very clear about my position atop the fence from the beginning. However, I’ve come to understand only recently (like, yesterday) that I’m only on the fence as it relates to who I like more.

      When it comes to the legality of this case and Jodi’s innocence……well, let me just share my thoughts.

      I do not feel Jodi planned to kill Travis. Not only does the state’s proposed motive to kill Travis lack any sufficient evidence to support it, but, it simply defies what is known as typical female behavior because a woman rarely ever kills a man she’s in love with unless she is in fear for her life or the life of her children/loved ones. The haters love referencing the movie, Fatal Attraction, and this just shows how little they really pay attention to shit. Because, even in that movie, Glenn Close does not attempt to kill the man she loves until he chokes her out. Only then does she attack him with the kitchen knife. What’s more, is when she does attack, she STILL doesn’t attack Michael Douglas’ character! She attacks his wife in an attempt to remove the obstacle keeping her and the man she loves apart.

      At the same time, I’m not totally sold on Self Defense. Even if I was, Self Defense was out the moment she failed to heed her obligation to flee. Jodi said she only grabbed the gun hoping it would stop him. Someone in fear for their life grabs a gun fully intending on shooting it to save themselves. Pulling a gun to scare him so he’ll think better of attacking her is more Jodi being afraid of him kicking, hitting, or even choking her. I don’t think for a second that Jodi ever truly believed Travis could or would kill her, I don’t believe Jodi ever truly thought she could or would kill Travis, and I’m fairly certain Travis didn’t believe she could or would either. But, we learn something new every day, don’t we?

      That being said, I don’t believe it started as Self Defense because I don’t believe she feared he would kill her but I do believe she began the stabbing in Self Defense. The haters can say what they want but, after she shot him and he didn’t drop dead right there, she knew the game had changed. If he wouldn’t kill her before, he sure as hell would now that she tried to kill him. It doesn’t matter if she only intended to scare him so he’d cease his attack on her, bottom line is she shot him. It doesn’t matter that she accidentally pulled the trigger. In his eyes, she shot him to kill him and she knows this. She also knows the gloves are off now and she IS in for a fight to save her life. She knew, in clear conscious, only one of them was leaving alive and this was such an overwhelming reality that it triggered the process that results in the fight or flight response.

      It seems to me the problem with Self Defense is that there isn’t a specific instruction or consideration for the psychological processes that one can go through during a situation like this. In other words, there is no allowance for the fight or flight response. Self Defense requires the victim to retreat once the attacker is incapacitated enough to do so and get help. With a duty to retreat, there is no allowance for fight or flight because fight or flight, for all intents and purposes, is a primal response that temporarily shuts down the conscious and subconscious until the threat is eliminated. When someone is in F/F, there is no stopping because, to stop, one has to have the cognitive ability to decide to stop and cognitive ability is run by the conscious, which, has been disabled by F/F. The defense would have been better off claiming temporary insanity because it covers just about all of the bases. Oh, and because it’s TRUE. F/F is a form of temporary insanity.

      Once the threat is eliminated, F/F leaves and immediately the conscious/subconscious begin their gradual return. While, it would not return instantly, Jodi would have come to much sooner than she says. She had the presence of mind to attempt a clean up, to change her socks, to delete photos, to put the knife in the dishwasher, to run a load of laundry, to grab the gun and rope, to call Gus Searcy, and to throw off the scent by leaving a voice mail for Travis. These are not things you do without thinking. The fact that she spent over 12 hours in that bedroom taking pictures and bumping uglies, not to mention taking a shower, and only one print of hers can be found…..ONE….and it’s not even a full print but a partial palm print…..this tells me she was thorough in her cleaning. Or, someone helped her clean up. Either way, she was not in a fog for as long as she says she was.

      This is very important, for me anyway, because this means she very well could have called 911. I get that she was scared and it wouldn’t have saved him anyway. However, she still should have called. If for no other reason but so his friends and roommate didn’t have to experience finding him like that. She could have easily taken Travis’ phone and called 911 anonymously to report hearing a dispute or a gunshot even. Then, she could have driven away and tossed the phone like she did the gun and rope.

      Okay, I have another headache setting in, as per usual when I think about this case. So I’m just going to get to what I feel would be appropriate and suffice as justice.

      I feel like M2 with the minimum sentence of 12 years, minus 5 for time served, for a total 7 more years imprisonment is appropriate. She would end up serving only about 85% of that time, which, is a little less than 6 years. Making her total time spent in prison 11 years. I know many of you will disagree with this and that’s okay. It’s just my opinion and anything is better than the death penalty. A lot of you feel she should be acquitted of all charges and released immediately. The problem is, like it or not, she killed someone and that’s against the law. In order for the law to be effective, the consequences for breaking it must be applied every time it’s broken, to some degree, no matter the circumstances. Otherwise, the fear of repercussion loses it’s power.

      Besides, after seeing the lengths to, which, the haters have gone to destroy Alyce LaViolette and obliterate anyone else who does not demand Jodi’s head on a stick, I honestly believe prison is the safest place for her for awhile so the memory of this trial and hatred for her can die down a bit. Let another juicy trial divert the minds of the masses and give HLN someone else to vilify and offer up for sacrifice to their media ratings WhoreGods and then release her so she actually has a chance at a peaceful life. Let her out now on acquittal and she’s a gift, wrapped with a shiny red bow, handed directly to a public who I have no doubt includes at least one or two members who have no problem killing her in the name of Justice for someone they never knew existed until 4 months ago. Because, you see, that’s what our mindless society has come to.

      I hope I have not offended anyone as that was definitely not my intention. I respect all of you here and I’m grateful to you, SJ, for creating this sanctuary for me to come to each day as I sorted through the bullshit this trial is ripe with. Because I respect all of you and I know my idea of a just sentence for Jodi is not what you would likely consider as supporting her, if you feel I do not belong here I will respect that and this will be my last post.

      Thank you for taking the time to hear me out and for just being amazing people.

        • Yep you’re right. SJ had reasons too. I think ppl are angry. I dont think they mean that travis deserved to die for being mean. I think they are angry that he attacked jodi – hence he asked for it.

          Not sure though,

          • My feeling is that everyone here feels Jodi acted in self defense plain and simple. I’ve yet to hear any of the women post anything with a “my gender right or wrong” type of sentence. They all feel Jodi is innocent and want her free.

            • I’m not sure I understand the “My gender right or wrong” comment? I do feel Jodi is innocent of the original M1 charge brought against her as I don’t believe she premeditated her actions. However, I do not believe that she truly believed Travis would ever honestly kill her. If she did, I don’t think she would go to him.

              This is different from someone who lives with their abuser. Jodi is a battered woman in the sense that she is a victim of verbal and emotional abuse that escalated to physical violence a few times. This makes her a victim as much as anyone else who has experienced this. However, unlike domestic violence victims still being abused by their partners and survivors who managed to escape, Jodi was not stuck with Travis because she did not live with him. She had a place to go to escape where as other victims do not.

              If she honestly believed Travis would kill her and she didn’t have to be there because she didn’t live there and she other places she could go where he would not hunt her down and drag her back to the hell they shared together, then why would she put herself in such a situation that could cost her her life? At least, why would she do that without bringing some kind of protection? From this point of view, her taking her grandpa’s gun with her to see Travis, ‘just in case’ would actually fit the self defense claim.

        • JC, thank you for taking the time to respond to my post. In response to your comment, I was wondering what I’m missing as far as what a pedophile is? I know that a pedophile is someone who is sexually attracted to prepubescent children. I know that they cannot control it. It’s a sickness that has no known cure. There is no rehabilitation for pedophilia. I know that a pedophile will typically have material somewhere.

          I do believe Jodi’s claims that she caught him yanking his own chain to a picture of a little boy. I believe it because I’ve actually done some studying of child sexual development and child sexual abuse. Because of what I’ve learned from that and the lack of kiddie porn, I believe Travis’ attraction to children is not true pedophilia, rather, it is the result of his own sexual abuse. I would be willing to bet that Travis was around the same age as the boy in the photo when he experienced the most traumatic of sexual abuse. I would be more comfortable believing that Travis was a pedophile in the making but, at the time of his death, he was not a pedophile.

          He was a man who struggled with unresolved demons stemming from his childhood and the sexual trauma he experienced at the hands of others. He created this image to the best of his ability trying to distance himself as far away from those demons as possible. He wanted nothing to do with anything that reminded him of his childhood. He put himself above everyone from that time, including his siblings, and he made sure he maintained the devout Mormon virgin successful motivational speaking wealthy lifestyle to convince himself as much as the world around him that he was not that kid anymore and that he had suffered nothing negative from his horrific upbringing. He was ashamed of all of it but he was more so of this darker side of himself. Had he gotten the help he so desperately needed, therapists could have helped him understand the abuse he suffered. They could have helped him heal in a healthy manner. But he didn’t get help. Not because he felt it would make him look weak as suggested by Sky Hughes but because to seek professional help would be to admit or acknowledge that part of him. He was of the belief that if you ignore it and pray hard enough, it will go away.

          In reading all of his blog entries and Myspace stuff, it is clear as day to me that Travis was as effective as a motivational speaker as he was because his very existence depended on his belief in what he was saying. The speeches he gave about how one can rise above anything and dare to dream big and blah blah blah, he was saying those things to HIMSELF. He woke up and wrote his goals out for the day every morning on 3X5 cards then he set out to accomplish each one. He included this in his motivational speaking and, at first, it is inspiring to see someone with such enthusiasm for life and such control over theirs that they would do such a thing, without fail, every day and also see that it works!

          But, scratch a little deeper and take all of the darker stuff into consideration. This is clearly one of the effects of being abused as a child has manifested for him as an adult and it deals with control. This is Travis trying to regain and exert as well as maintain the control of his life that was taken from him when he was victimized. This was part of his struggle. I believe he told Jodi about his past to explain why she caught him doing what he did and I believe when he said having sex with girls makes him feel normal that is why Jodi continued having sex with him. I also think that Jodi understood what I do and many others do which is that Travis was not yet a pedophile in the true sense of the word as he had never acted on it and clearly had a ways to go before he was to the point where he could justify acting on it. This is why we see it manifesting through other behavior such as the sexual deviancy and strange violent fantasies with Jodi. We also see that acting out those fantasies is not having the desired effect for Travis. If anything, it’s backfiring. He’s trying to stifle the effects of his abuse telling him to try and understand it and take a victim himself by doing to Jodi what very well could have been done to him. He’s trying to control those thoughts that are gradually becoming urges that are gradually becoming increasingly more difficult to satiate and control. He realizes it’s not working and tries beating off looking at a photo of a boy and gets caught.

          Jodi says it herself, “It’s hard to understand, something like this. It’s something he really struggled with. He was really ashamed of it.”

          He had the potential to be a pedophile because he was victimized as a child. I understand he has free will and knows right from wrong as an adult so the argument would be that he has to be accountable, it can’t be excused and blamed on his childhood. This would be correct and the fact that he did struggle so severely with it and had not taken a victim of his own, was acting deviant in every other way in attempt to tend to his sickness without having to take a victim, and how everything he had built for himself was done in an effort to literally be someone other than who he was……he DID try. He just didn’t realize that it’s not something one can “kick” on their own like smoking or doing drugs. The chemicals in his brain and how his brain functions was irreparably damaged by the sexual abuse as well as the physical violence and everything else he was exposed to in the first 8 years of his life. Which, happens to be the most critical time for humans as they develop because that is when the foundation is set. The first 5 years of a child’s life will set the stage for how they will develop into adults and who they will be.

          Travis was a victim who suffered the same effects from his abuse that creates pedophiles, yes. He was on his way, I do believe this. However, Travis was also a genuinely good person. His grandmother’s influence was so powerful that, while it did not neutralize the damage from his mother and all she exposed him to through her addiction, it was powerful enough to teach him empathy and kindness. Had it not been for his Mummum, Travis would have multiple victims, be in full pedo status, and it’s very possible he would have killed by the time he reached 30. Take away the money, the suits, the cars, the church, and what you have left is that stereotypical image of a balding skeevy looking guy you wouldn’t let give your child candy if he paid you cash to do it.

          dammit! Again, like usual, I have totally forgotten where I was going with this. I soooo suck. Sorry. :/

          • “I do believe Jodi’s claims that she caught him yanking his own chain to a picture of a little boy. I believe it because I’ve actually done some studying of child sexual development and child sexual abuse. Because of what I’ve learned from that and the lack of kiddie porn, I believe Travis’ attraction to children is not true pedophilia, rather, it is the result of his own sexual abuse. I would be willing to bet that Travis was around the same age as the boy in the photo when he experienced the most traumatic of sexual abuse. I would be more comfortable believing that Travis was a pedophile in the making but, at the time of his death, he was not a pedophile.”

            Travis admitted to jodi he had an attraction to underage boys so by this definition he qualifies: “As a medical diagnosis, pedophilia or paedophilia is a psychiatric disorder in persons 16 years of age or older typically characterized by a primary or exclusive sexual interest toward prepubescent children (generally age 11 years or younger, though specific diagnosis criteria for the disorder extends the cut-off point for prepubescence to age 13).[1][2][3][4] An adolescent who is 16 years of age or older must be at least five years older than the prepubescent child before the attraction can be diagnosed as pedophilia.[1][2]” Wiki was my source.

            Based on that definition, it doesn’t mean a person perpetrates. It means they have an attraction, which Jodi said he admitted.

            But if a person disregards jodi’s statement and left with travis words, he could be considered as someone having Hebephilia which is defined as individuals with a primary or exclusive sexual interest in 11-14 year old pubescents.[31] The DSM IV does not list hebephilia among the diagnoses; while evidence suggests that hebephilia is separate from pedophilia, the ICD-10 includes hebephilia in its pedophilia definition, covering the physical development overlap between the two philias.[4] In addition to “hebephilia”, some clinicians have proposed other categories that are somewhat or completely distinguished from pedophilia; these include “pedohebephilia” (a combination of pedophilia and hebephilia) and “ephebophilia” (though ephebophilia is not considered pathological).[32][33]
            Disease models.

            Jodi says it herself, “It’s hard to understand, something like this. It’s something he really struggled with. He was really ashamed of it.”

            I agree that one can struggle with those issues. I also agree that just because a person is attracted to underage people, it doesn’t always mean they perpetrate.

            I think travis could have been sexually abused given his childhood and I have no idea whether he hurt children. I think the defense showed he was at minimum attracted to children and struggled with that so he qualifies as having that diagnosis. That’s all.

            • JC,

              Thank you for being so patient with me and also for quoting your source the way you did. You are right, for some reason, I assumed one must perpetrate in order to be classified as a pedophile. I followed your source referenced in your post and did some link hopping from there. It would seem there is a common misconception of pedophilia/hebephilia as it relates to child sexual abuse or molestation. In other words, like you said, pedophilia is the clinical diagnosis for the psychological disorder of being sexually attracted to prepubescents. People diagnosed with pedophilia or hebephilia may or may not ever act on it. It is the desire or attraction where as child sexual abuse or molestation deals with the action or perpetration. So, I sit here corrected and I apologize for speaking on this being misinformed like I was. It’s quite embarrassing.

              I did Google search the percentage of pedophiles who were victims of child sexual abuse themselves and found an article about eliciting confessions from pedophile offenders…..http://www.policechiefmagazine.org/magazine/index.cfm?fuseaction=display_arch&article_id=770&issue_id=122005

              In this article the author writes about a research study that was conducted showing 78% of pedophile offenders admit they were victims of child sexual abuse themselves. Granted, that is a study among pedophile offenders.

              The more I ponder this, the more something keeps popping up and refuses to go away. Whether or not he ever acted upon his attraction is irrelevant now so doesn’t even warrant speculating and I know this. However, I noticed that Tanisha, his sister, has children. She’s had children for awhile. She’s got 3 boys and one girl, the girl being the oldest. No pics of her kids playing with Uncle Travis, though. Does anyone know the story behind the siblings and why they wouldn’t have ever visited Travis’ home in AZ?

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