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A day of 2 fairy tales and 1 abusive bastard

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Are we sitting comfortably?

Ok. Then I’ll begin :mrgreen:

Soooooo… just when we thought we’d literally seen it all, this trial circus has managed to out-do itself once again.

Not content with enough prosecutorial misconduct to sink several ships… or Martinez’ grandstanding outside the courthouse, and his office releasing Jodi’s journals & videos to HLN… we’ve now had a day that literally started and ended with a fairy tale.

In between all of that, we also had reconfirmation (in text & email format) of what totally abusive & manipulating bastard TA really was. I’ll cover more on that later.

But getting back to today’s post…

Fairy tale #1 relates to Judge Pickles… where she assumes that none of the jurors have seen anything relating to the trial in the media, as highlighted again by Kirk Nurmi… yeah, right……. and fairy tale #2 relates to Martinez’ ongoing revelations relating to Snow White & the 7 dwarfs, during his piss-poor attempt at cross examining Alyce LaViolette.

The phrase “comedy farce” would be an understatement.

Here’s one of numerous highlights from the start of his cross, where Alyce calls him out on his recurring bad temper issues – and subsequently has everyone in the courtroom rolling with laughter. She served Martinez his ass on a plate, and you can be sure it’ll not be the last time she does that.

Enjoy…

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Priceless :mrgreen: You can also click here to watch the full trial day video.

But seriously… is this really what it’s all come down to now? Snow White, the 7 dwarfs, how old the dwarfs were – and whether they lived in a shack or a cute cottage?

I posted earlier in the week that this cross would be interesting, and that Alyce is well accustomed to dealing with arrogant bad tempered little shits. How true that was. So what will we have next week? Juan and The Beanstalk? Jeez.

Here are a few random comments from the 2,000+ posted over the past 24 hours, all of which quaintly capture the true essence of Martinez’ antics…

“What a no-good prick.” — tonysam

“She has had many years dealing with assholes like him.” — BeeCee

“Mr. Martinez I’m not sure what you’re saying! Well neither does anyone else!” – Tina J

“Snow White now? Man, this fucker is reaching.” — Kira

“Yep. What next, the big, bad wolf and the 3 little pigs?” — Frannie

“Oh my goodness, Frog on crack!” — Ann

“Why the hell is the judge letting this go on? What the fuck????!!!!!!!!! What the fuck does any of this have to do with this case? This is insane. Martinez is an ugly, vile little man. And this judge is an idiot.” — Michael L

“Does anyone else smell that? Its the smell of “JackShit” and its everywhere that the little troll has paced. Watch where you step.” — Shan72

“I’m wondering if I’ll ever sleep tonight–far too much excitement for one day!!” — Heather1

“Guys I finally got the Snowwhite and the dwarfs thing. BOMBSHELL.  JM is one of the dwarfs – Dopey” — Al

I could go on, but I’m sure you get the gist. You guys are awesome.

And let’s not forget… in the middle of this bullshit circus… this was yet another AWESOME WEEK for Jodi.

Over the past couple of weeks, Dr Richard Samuels and Alyce LaViolette really have done a truly outstanding job… not just for Jodi, but for every DV victim out there. And for that, we will be eternally grateful.

Remember peeps… WE ARE TEAM JODI – AND WE WILL BE VICTORIOUS!

Leave your comments below on the Disneyfied events of trial day 41, while I go off and find some headache tablets…

SJ
Team Jodi

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    • There are times in ones life when we are just speechless….this is such a time for me…….is this trial for real? God help us all if it is.

      • Yes. It’s a circus and a farce.
        The trial is now playing second fiddle to all this BS.

        SJ
        Team Jodi

        • What I find so remarkable is that Martinez doesn’t stop to think “Hmmm– this woman just spent a week on the stand teaching the jury about domestic violence and verbal abuse, and an entire day on the stand talking about how Travis would rant for hours like a madman. Maybe I shouldn’t start my cross by verbally acting out the role of an abuser!”

          As someone whose job it is to speak for Travis, he’s painting his client in a terrible light, and actually reinforcing an image of Travis as an abuser– (putting down her credentials, mocking her, yelling, belittling), especially to an expert on this behavior who’s likely to have countless hours of experience dealing with abusers! This man’s anger is not a strategy–or an effective tool– he’s actually an angry abusive man.

          • He attempted to mock her, but he was the one who ended up looking like a tool, I mean fool.

            • I TOLD folks when he went to cross her she would hand him his butt on a platter. He is coming across as the type of verbal bullying male she has encountered time and time again for over thirty years. He’d better get nice and change his tactics.

              The scathing message from TA to Jodi did indeed APPEAR to be abusive, and on some level, I suppose it was. However, it is important to establish whether or not he did this on a regular basis, or whether or not he blew up and lashed out at her on this one given time. It’s eerie how familiar his method of verbal attacks are. I’ve seen them time and time again in my own personal life for almost ten years now. Often, my head would be left spinning afterwards, and I would feel numbness, then extreme sadness for days on end. I couldn’t figure out for the life of me what in the world the problem REALLY was, and what in the world I could do to change myself and fix it. LA’s assessment of what’s going on explains SO much.

              • Anon, the words you speak are my words too! The numbness, the floundering later, the feeling of being lost, the soul-shattering sense of shock at the unfathomable cruelty of the words spoken over you… I know it, recognize it, lived it and now still trying to gather the million pieces of my soul that are flittering around… just when I think I have one, the other piece that I had slips away… I hear you.

              • anon, TA’s emails and Jodi’s testimony indicate that the abuse was done on a regular basis, I recall Ms Violette say every month or every other month and getting more severe or the scale of severity she spoke about.

              • Interesting. Virtually every objection was overruled… including one I’ve never heard before during any trial:

                >>> Objection: Relevance —> Speculation —> Fairy Tale

                … and that was before ALV was asked how old the Dwarfs were.

                SJ
                Team Jodi

                • Yeah, he doesn’t know the law at all. All little guy theatrics! And he does love talking about drawfs!

          • WTF I saw this and I thought my head was going to EXPLODE JM your a bully you did not need to go there be a professional and treat Ms La violette like the professional that she is and the people in the court laughing and juror 5 in the audience thats not good THIS JURY IS TAINTED SEQUESTER THEM NOW.

          • His job is not to speak for Travis, and Travis is not his client. The people of that state of Arizona are his client. I agree that he is doing a poor job of representing them for the reasons that you stated, among others. But perpetuating the myth that he is supposed to somehow represent Travis, or his family, or his memory, or whatever, doesn’t help anybody.

          • KS,

            “Maybe I shouldn’t start my cross by verbally acting out the role of an abuser!”

            You really got me. This hit me as hysterically funny 🙂 You have just provided me with the first honest belly laugh I have enjoyed in a long time!

            You struck just the right rhythm, timing, and topicality. I docilely followed you right in there, and then punch! I was abandoned inside of JM’s mind without warning, and boy it was stupidly irrational in there!

            I am still erupting spontaneous giggles from involuntary play-backs in my head:-)

            Chelion

        • ok I thought it was about Snow White…

          Phillip, the day will come that the truth will come out….No one will ever be able to convinces me that Jodi did this alone..

          Jodi we love you!!!!!!

        • Phillip: Janey doesn’t understand your words. You might just as well speak Farsi to her. But, her brain is distorting so totally that she wouldn’t understand Farsi even if it were her native language.

    • I gotta tell you, if I was on the jury, I would vote innocent just due to the ignorance of ‘Juan” or as I like to call him, ‘Whine.” Every question he asks makes me think he is hiding something. He is the absolute worst prosecutor I have ever seen. He comes across as an idiot and why anyone would think he was some kind of folk hero and want his autograph is way beyond me. Are people that stupid?

      Also, a comment on HLN. I thought it was a news station. They are so one sided it is almost comical. Many times, these hack on air personalities, (including Nancy Gross), actually appear to be a SNL skit. This Jane Velez joker reminds me of watching a third grade play where a ten year old is playing TV personality. Wait, that is an insult to ten year olds. I have to go to the trouble of DVRing the trial just so I don’t have to watch these absolutely horrendous announcers.

      • robert
        I couldn’t agree with you more.
        That’s like when they have the daytime shows and announce DON’T forget to watch tonight at 10:00.
        Those ads are nothing bit stupod.

        Like you said about Jane getting ready for a third grade play,
        and that 10:00 thing,

        OMG!! Talk about STUUUUUPID! They really outdid themselves on stupid with that 3rd grade play.
        They are showing the rest of the country just how STUPID they can get

        I guess they will have the juror that was knocked off of this trial asone of their silly puppet jurors.
        That show is nothing bit embarrassing. Men and women acting total ass clowns. RIDICULOUS!!!

        • Yeah April, it is crazy what you can find on cable. How do these people get jobs? I guess they are trying out for SNL

    • It is always very dangerous to everyone when a prosecutor is acting for his own reputation, the truth being of no importance, trying to make a name for himself. In some societies, this is actually viewed as a worse offense than the crime.

      Telling.

  2. SJ….I loved your posts..thank you!!! Perhaps you can explain to me what the hell happened yesterday…….was I delusional in my thinking that this was a trial that a young womans life is on the line?

    • Hi cindy,

      Well, we had some awesome testimony from Alyce LaViolette, which basically confirmed what we knew all along about TA – then after that the circus started again. I’ts like I’ve been saying for many weeks now… Martinez has lost the plot, he’s lost the jury and he’s lost the case… so he’s now resorting to desperation – hence his Snow White routine yesterday.

      Next week should be just as interesting.

      SJ
      Team Jodi

      • That’s why the Hateful Network
        is going to do another prosecuter merathon this weeke nd.

        They want there public to believe there is only one way this could have happened.
        Now, these people haven’t kept up with the trial so they just go oh yeah she did it.
        They’re all like sheep not wanting to find out all of it.
        All of it makes me sick and IF they saw it all, they would get it.

        I’ll say it again this is the worst way a trial has been handled by a judge, prosecuter
        and NOW allow a joror that was dismissed to come in court and yes she is talking.

        The judge is like a see no evil, hear no evil, just show up and say approach so many times that you want to throw up.

        • How old are you Janey? Ten? Eleven? Twelve max? And, I don’t necessarily mean in years. These don’t matter. It seems that you are stuck at a very early emotional level to post the kind of aggressive drivel that you have left here.

        • Janey, GTFO. We don’t take kindly to your type of “Ignorant” here. We actually THINK on this website. Go on, crawl back to the gutter you came crawling out of.

  4. Yep Old Juan needs to pull on that crack pipe again, couldnt tell which end was more intelligent, his ass or his mouth, certainly will be interesting next week, the judge must be getting the second hand smoke also. Lets all keep up the support for Jodi,she will be victorious, God Bless Jodi.

  5. Excellent excellent post, SJ. I was looking forward to it and you did NOT disappoint.

    Apparently, USA Today agrees with your summary of yesterday. This could almost have been written by you. Do you moonlight for them?

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/04/04/jodi-arias-trial-topics-turn-to-fairy-tales/2055271/

    “Angry men, including the prosecutor, were the topic of conversation at the Jodi Arias murder trial on Thursday.

    So was the fairy tale Snow White.

    And there was a surprise appearance by the as-yet unidentified “Juror Number Five,” who was tossed from the jury panel Tuesday for making inappropriate remarks to other jurors. She sat defiantly in the courtroom through the afternoon, but then asked to be spirited out of the building by court security to avoid a clutch of reporters.”

    I just love their quotes about JM “Minutes into his questioning, as he tried to force LaViolette to answer questions with yes or no answers, a frequent tactic, his voice rose to a high-pitched rant. … The questioning went down from there. … But Martinez attempted to ridicule her by forcing the Alexander murder into the story line of “Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs.”

    It seems the world is seeing just how ridiculous this trial is. Silly little me thought it was a trial about a man who died and a woman who is fighting for her life.

    • And oh my, how the tides are turning! http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2013/04/jodi-arias-murder-trial-defense-slam-victim-travis-alexander/

      “The axed juror arrived just in time for an afternoon of damning testimony against Alexander that included his alleged habit of targeting young, vulnerable women with whom he could push sexual boundaries and an alleged barrage of abusive text messages and e-mails in which he called Jodi “a three-hole wonder,” “a stalker” and compared the pain she caused him to the death of his father.

      After bitter sparring between prosecuting attorney Juan Martinez and LaViolette – including her sarcastically asking: “Are you angry with me?” which led the court to explode into laughter – the trial rested until Monday and mystery Juror 5 was escorted out by court security.”

      • But did you notice this line?

        ““Bitter feelings for you are brewing in me,” Travis allegedly told Jodi, threatening revenge after she deliberately left a photo at his Mesa, Arizona house, reported Michael Kiefer of the Arizona Republic.”

        Deliberately? Who EVER said that? This is the kind of thing that is getting the ignorant masses all riled up. That one word completely and totally mischaracterizes the entire incident, and implies that Jodi was somehow in the wrong. Infuriating.

        • Yes, and they throw in the word “allegedly” too so they can keep saying she wrote them herself.

          • I think they have to add “allegedly” since it’s not been proven yet. As for “deliberately,” that’s definitely paraphrasing. But these are still better articles than we’ve seen so far.

        • That’s what I wrote over on the site. She never “deliberately” left anything behind.

          A normal guy would not do what Travis did. A normal guy would have called Jodi up, let her know she forgot the picture, and ask for her address to send it.

      • Alsoabused- I just went to that article . So much hate from people, oh my God! I posted a few nice comments of Jodi though, to balance a little 🙂

    • Yes Also Abused, what were you thinking? But you are in very good company we all have been delusional in our thinking…….is this just a AZ thing or does this really happen in other states?

    • AA

      I noticed that was written by Michael Keifer. In this whole deal, Keifer is one of the few journalists who has done what a journalist is supposed to do. Just report what happens on the ground, leaving the editorializing to the op-ed pages.

    • Now for cold analysis of the last witness and what JM faces on cross.

      I think the defense did s really smart thing with this witness, let in her qualifications, then spend the better part of a week going over the communications and get in her opinion in a few short questions at the end.

      Leaves JM with very little wiggle room on cross. He’s not going to want to touch those emails, texts and IMs. If he does, and makes one little slip, they may become admissible in their entirety. He has very little room for cross on ALVs opinion. That is her opinion as an expert, and she was smart enough to not submit a report, so there is very little he can do to find errors of the kind with which he raked Samuels over the coals.

      So really the only things left for him are:

      1) Try and show that this whole DV assessment thing is some kind of mumbo jumbo. This is what he tried to do with the Snow White thing and see how that turned out.

      2) Show that in fact ALV is less than qualified. He tried to do that with her not having a PhD. I don’t know how well that goes over. Every person without a PhD knows that you can be very well qualified at what you do without that diploma.

      3) Show that his expert is better qualified than both Samuels and ALV since she has a doctorate and can prescribe medication. I wonder how well that will stand up considering she got her doctorate a year after these incidents took place.

      Let me tell you what I find a little scary about this whole thing. Have any of you actually watched that Snow White video on YouTube. I did. Two things in that video got me. Firstly there is a little quip in the beginning about a comparison between Sarah Palin and Hilary Clinton. I, being a dyed in blood commie liberal, found it hilarious. But I also thought, whoa, I wonder if that would upset a conservative in AZ. The second thing was that there is a definite feminist bend to it, with a undercurrent of something akin to mild misanthropy (in the literal sense of the word). To me that sort of behavior lies on the same level as the jokes men tell about women – in poor taste and offensive. So if that video gets played in court you stand a real chance of offending conservatives and some men. It would also allow JM to argue that ALV has a bias against men. This is the problem with jokes by one gender on behalf of the other. They show a lack of taste and a certain level of bigotry that is unwarranted. My personal regard for Ms LaViolette went down just a notch after I watched that video.

      • I don’t think it was anti-male at all. There were men at that conference.

        If she is somehow anti-male, what in the heck does that make Travis? I mean, there isn’t even any comparisons here about who is the sexist one.

        • Travis was a boor of the top order. The guy was a misogynist pig and a predator. Also I believe the guy was pederast with latent homosexual leanings.

          I have absolutely no issues with gays, and I also understand the latent homosexual side of things because our society tends to debase gays and drives too many good gay folks into the closet, or keeps them from being able to come to terms with themselves. BUT I do have real problems with folks who overcompensate their issues by mistreating others. Which, I believe was TA issue.

          And that whole pedophilia thing is weird. I don’t know if that is something they can get treatment for, or not, but that is not a latent issue. They know it and I believe that at least one of TAs friends knew it, the guy who left a post on his Myspace page. I’ve never known anyone say that to someone else as a joke. There are certain things people just don’t joke about and the subject of pedophilia is one.

          As to ALV’s talk, I still believe that there was a undercurrent of anti-maleness in there. The fact that there were men present has nothing to do with it. I’ve seen numerous instances where women were present and the presentation had the same anti-female tinge to it. For starters, in the most blatant terms a bunch of standup comedian routines are that way – demeaning to women. But you see the same thing in a lot of other places. And I definitely got that feeling with ALV’s talk. Just one example, that of tying a rope to a guys genitals and the woman pulling on it every time she has a contraction. There are numerous ways to make the point that men don’t get the pain women suffer during childbirth. There is probably a real valid point there, but in our defense, we can sympathize, but its hard to actually know how painful something really is if you’ve never felt it. But conjuring up that image, and then expressing it in an open forum, in at least my mind, crosses a certain line. Can’t quite express what the line was – decency, decorum, whatever, but I found it a little off-putting.

          So while most of her talk was rather enlightening and valid, a couple of points were just off putting and that is the point I wanted to make.

          • I haven’t seen the video, but I totally agree with the principle of what you are saying. From a practical standpoint, I think that the jury will forgive her quite a lot if they like her to begin with. Plus, I doubt that many of them have PhDs, but feel competent in their respective profesions. I also have faith that most jurors can bifurcate a generalized respect for an MD from the specific regard of 35 years of experience. -Just my thoughts

          • If she’s asked about that, she can further elaborate.

            She’s a very good speaker, very confident.

          • Al, I didn’t know what myspace post you were talking about, and then I found it! Travis’ friend posting ”
            Twas two nights before Christmas, and all through the greater Phoenix area, Travis was cruising for underage boys to make his Christmas more cozy. Have fun, just don’t violate the terms of your probation!
            6 years ago

            WTF????? Can the defense use this?????

              • The only thing I can think of is the probation from his Bishop.
                Al,
                You said..And that whole pedophilia thing is weird. I don’t know if that is something they can get treatment for, or not, but that is not a latent issue. I say…Yes it is weird..Yes you can get treatment, No you can’t get cured, and your so right about it not a hidden issue. I know of a who Doctor who manage to hide this until he was about 60. He hid this for about 35 year, then 1 person came forth and the flood gates opened.

                You said…They know it and I believe that at least one of TAs friends knew it, the guy who left a post on his Myspace page. I’ve never known anyone say that to someone else as a joke. There are certain things people just don’t joke about and the subject of pedophilia is one.
                I say…Absolutely, I wish someone would speak up come forth. I was hoping something in those emails would allude to this.

            • Lynn,

              Now you see what I meant about the pedo stuff. I can’t imagine any of my friends joking about that stuff. Some things you just don’t kid about unless there is something behind it. Of course it begs the question about the friends character too. How many people would maintain a friendship with a guy with such tendencies.

              And that is the whole issue with the Hughes. They knew what TA was up to and yet maintained their friendship.

          • The thing with abusers, Al, is that they do not have latent homosexual tendencies, per se. They are not pedophiles, per se. They are not sexual deviants, per se. They are just sick twisted individuals who want to have as much sex, in as many different ways, as possible. Every single one of them cheats and cheats and cheats. I used to think it was a great deal for a guy to be seeing 3 women at the same time until I looked through my ex’s computer. It was a lot like Travis’s computer/phone except I lost count at about 30 women he was pursuing/seeing at the same time, plus several guys!!! In the past 25 months, I’ve talked to so many different women who had relationships with abusers, and they all tell the same story. Pardon my Egyptian here, but they will FUCK ANYTHING and do it as often, and in as many different ways, as possible!

            They also do not have steroid/alcohol or drug abuse problems that cause them to be aggressive/violent (although they may well abuse substances). This is a myth that needs to end. These men are NOT curable.

            Are they misognynists? Not really. They are just as likely to tear a man to pieces. In fact, my ex hated our neighbour who stood up to him. If you had seen the smear campaign he launched against that guy. He also stole his mail and set up cameras around our house that had views of his bedroom, etc.

            To learn more about abusers, I highly recommend to ANYONE a book by Lundy Bancroft called “Why Does He Do That”. It’s available on Amazon quite inexpensively and at libraries. It really explains a LOT about why these men are the way they are. Unfortunately, Alyce did not do a good job in explaining them and what makes them tick. I wish they had been able to use Lundy but perhaps he was tied up with some other work or they just didn’t hear of him.

            Abusive men are all about power and control in everything, including sex. They don’t have a problem with their own anger! They have a problem with their partner’s anger! They are manipulative; they feel entitled, and justified. They live a charmed life. They do not have to carry their weight in relationships. They get away with everything. They feel entitled to everything and anything. Look at Travis. He felt entitled to these women’s money! They don’t have to show their angry and controlling side to anyone outside of their relationships because they have a built-in punching bag at home. They don’t have to negotiate with their intimate partner for anything and always get their way, so they live charmed lives, essentially.

            Think for a moment about yourself and your wife going out to dinner. You want Chinese and she wants Pizza. You compromise and decide to get Chinese this week and pizza next week. Abusive men NEVER do this and their partners don’t dare contradict them. The punishment for the partner getting her way is utter hell. She learns NEVER to disagree. It’s just not worth it.

            These are some of the reasons they are the way they are!

            • Great post Also as always. Yes there was one time when I did not want to go to a restaurant my ex had decided on he slammed on the brakes and drove fast home He then went on his rant for about 5 hours yelling at me about why I was a horrible wife and throwing things at me. Calling me all types of names I will not repeat. I ran to the bedroom and locked my door but he broke it down and kept yelling calling me every name in the book. The he yelled at me to get my lazy ass in the kitchen and cook him dinner. I did of course to simmer him down as always. This is just one mild fight we had. All this over me not wanting to eat where he did. Most people would never understand why I put up with him. But at this point he had beat me down so much I had no fight in me. I was broken and battered.

              It is so refreshing to be married now to a man that knows what compromise is and he never goes in rants about such things. He said his father taught him to respect and cherish women. We we disagree about movies to watch or where to eat as you said make a compromise and be fair. My two marriages could not be more different and I am blessed to finally not have an abusive man in my life.

              • Oh AJ, you poor thing. I’m so glad you’ve found such amazing happiness now. You deserve it.

                I’m in the same situation with my fiance. We compromise easily, although most often, we just agree because neither one of us are indignant. With my ex, if I did push to go to a place I liked and he gave in, he then feigned illness. I remember once such night when I wanted Indian food. He liked Indian food so I couldn’t understand his reluctance. I got out extremely rarely as I don’t drive and was stuck in an area in FL with no public transportation, in the back of a large development. I usually went wherever he was willing to take me, but this was a night I had a yearning for Indian food. I also liked the staff there and they chatted with me. I was so isolated and my ex was the only human being I saw for months on end so I loved being able to talk to anyone — even a server!

                As soon as we got seated, ogre (my ex) feigned a toothache. He hung his head in his hand and complained under his breath about all the pain he was in. He also muttered under his breath that everyone in the restaurant was staring at me for being so cruel as to make him go out when it was obvious he was in pain. He kept muttering insults at me. I was so embarrased. I got up to go to the bathroom and when I came back, he said that everyone had stared at my fat ass walking across the floor (I weighed 98 lbs, which was a sum total of 3 lbs more than my weight when he first met me but in his mind, I was a cow with a ginormous stomach). I asked him repeatedly if he wanted to get the food to go. He kept making a martyr of himself of course and said no, he’d stick it out because otherwise, I would say that I never get out, and he was so sick of always being the “bad guy” (this was a line he frequently used).

                All the while whispering and muttering, he continued to tell me what a selfish bitch I was for making him stay at the restaurant while his tooth hurt. He reminded me that I’m an evil person and there’s nothing good about me whatsoever, except my boobs, and even they’re not what they once were. Then he pulled out the “c” word as he reminded me that no one but him would EVER put with a “c” like me.

                After 2 glasses of wine and a few bites of food, I just had enough of his insults. I stood up, called over the server and asked for boxes for our food. It was one of the very rare times I was assertive about anything, by that point in time. I just really couldn’t take it anymore. I raised my voice and told him to get up and pay the bill so we could just go. He was absolutely livid with me. All the way home, he gave me the silent treatment.

                When we got into the house, of course, his toothache was miraculously healed and never bothered him again. He was as happy as a pig in poop. He had won, and he knew it. He was absolutely gloating. It would be a cold day in hell before I’d ever push to get to go to a place I liked again. It just wasn’t worth it. We never did go back to that restaurant again in the next several years. He picked up Indian food for us at times — which usually ended up thrown at me.

                • Wow also sounds like we went through a lot of similar things because I know we have read each others post in the past. I am just thankful we both got out and we are here to support Jodi and each other. This site is amazing and I am thankful to be able to talk to others who have similar thoughts on this trial. My computer was about to press charges against me for all the vile things I screamed at it. I know this trial is nothing to joke about but yesterday I could not stop laughing during cross. I had been crying through direct on how abusive TA truly was and then Kermit came out trying to spar with a DV expert. I guess he was trying to impress his “fans” but he could not have left me in a better state when he went down that rabbit hole into Juanderland. When my husband talked to me at lunch I was crying and when he came home I was in tears from laughing at the toad. He was like are you ok? Then I showed him the tape and he was just lost for words which does not happen often.
                  One of the many sad moments in this trial that involves DV is the fact that women are cheering on an abusive man.

                • Yes, SJ, it’s amazing when us women compare stories. It’s almost as if we were married to the exact same guy!

                  I’ve cried and been very sad with all this testimony as well. It’s really gotten to me big time! Sometimes, reading the hater comments (which I do my best to avoid), I’ve felt like they were talking about me when they slam Jodi, because honestly, they might as well be. I came from a home with abuse, blatant terrible abuse, which I ran away from at 16. Before I first dated my ex (the first time), I dated a guy who wasn’t that far from Travis in some ways. We worked together so I was his secret girlfriend. He was cheating and I didn’t know it. And he really tore up my self esteem (not that I had much at 25), and got me involved in something where he told some lies that had to do with me, and I didn’t know how to stop them, and kinda went along for a while. I’ve always felt ashamed about that. I did come clean about the lies and was targeted for them, which was very painful.

                  Then, almost right out of that, I dated the ex the first time, and really thought he was the love of my life and he ripped my heart out suddenly. I didn’t know then that was his MO to leave them wanting more, because he could always come back. I also didn’t see the red flags that I know about now. For 6 years after he broke up with me, I never really got over him. But I totally turned my life around and was very successful. I went through so much therapy about my childhood. I became a very positive person. I believed in the law of attraction before it was turned into “The Secret” and even wrote a book and gave seminars. I was on top of the world really.

                  And then, out of the blue, he came back. I thought I was living a fairy tale and my Prince Charming had come back for me. Little did I know it would be such a terrifying nightmare and that I’d really met the Prince of Darkness. In every way, he destroyed me from then on until there was really nothing left of me at all. I felt like the walking dead and used to call myself that. Even now, 25 months out, I’m still trying to find myself, and struggling with feelings of despair and low self esteem. It’s a daily struggle, sometimes, worse than others.

                  And so, what I see in Jodi is a woman so much like me back then. And it just hurts so much to see what she’s having to go through. I can’t help but wonder how she’ll come back from this. I so wish I knew her. I wish I could read out to her. And yet, all this testimony has helped me so much, even while it’s torn me up again as well. So, indirectly, Jodi has helped me. I wish I could tell her that.

                  But yes, I also laughed yesterday. Alyce rocked and she was well able for the little man.

                  I just worry a lot about what this trial is doing in terms of anyone ever being able to get a fair trial again. The ramifications are greater than anyone realizes.

                • Hugs to Also Abused and AJ. Glad you girls are happy now 😉
                  Thank you for sharing your stories. That’s bravery 😉

                • AJ, Also, or anyone,

                  What do you think of this behavior:

                  Someone I knew took me to a garden centre and told me he’d come and pick me up if I called to say I was ready. He lived close by.

                  So I called him but while I was waiting I was chatting to the woman on the checkout. I was right by the door.

                  Well, this person arrived, saw me in there through the glass, parked and just sat there in his car.

                  I saw him and went straight out with my arms full of plants, thinking he’d open the door. When I did get in he yelled merry hell at me raising his voice louder and louder until I was deafened.
                  Why? Because I wasn’t actually waiting Outside for him! He called me totally inconsiderate and just went on and on and on, and instead of going back to his place, he told me I was going home! It was my punishmen’ for being so ”inconsiderate.”

                  Not that I’d have wanted to go back to his place after that.

                • Thank you Suzy, you’re so kind.

                  Heather, I would run away from someone like that. That is classic manipulation and bait and switch. Have NOTHING more to do with him. No contact is the only way to shut these people down.

            • AA,

              I just keep learning stuff here.

              You know some of us are fortunate to be sheltered from the evil that resides in this world and even though we know that it exists, the real extent of the malady is hidden.

              The more I hear about this the more my heart goes out to people like you who have had to put up with this crap.

              I don’t know why I’m saying this, but I’m so sorry this happened to you.

              • I understand Al. Truly anyone who has been sheltered from this is lucky. But I applaud you for not having gone through it or known anyone who has gone through it and yet, wanting to understand. That takes a rare kind of person, and that’s what I see in you. Bless your heart!

                The saddest thing is that you may well know someone evil like this. He may work with you. He may be your doctor, or your children’s doctor. He may be your next door neighbour. But you’d never know and you probably think he’s charming. He may have a wife he is terrorizing and you may think they look like the happiest couple in the world. That’s how well hidden this is. But perhaps after all this, you might just begin to see the cracks.

                I remember once before my ex and I got married. We were living together in my apartment in Chicago. I had my own business and worked from home. My ex used to mention a guy from Germany who lived across the hall. He got together with him. He talked about us getting together since I’d been to Germany. He said he told him about me. At some point later, my ex broke up with me (and oh how I wish I’d made him stay away). He moved out. It was all of a sudden and I was very upset. I went to the store to get booze. I was coming home and getting in the elevator and this guy got in. He saw me crying and said “Is it because of a broken heart?” I said yes. He said “I’m sorry. I just went through it. It’s so hard.”

                When the elevator stopped, we both turned the same way. There were only 3 apartments in that direction. I started to turn my key in the one on the left and he turned towards me in shock. “Do you live there?” I said yes. He said “Did you just move in?” I said oh no, I’ve lived here for 10 years. He said “No, that’s ogre’s apartment.” I said, and ogre is the one who broke my heart. He said his name, and I knew who he was. He said we had to talk and invited me into his apartment and I went, with my bottle of wine. We sat and talked until 4 a.m. Ogre had never mentioned me, never mentioned he’d been living with me for more than 2 years, never said he even had a girlfriend. The guy always thought ogre was coming on to him, actually. He thought he was gay. I wish I’d listened then. But I laughed at that. Ogre gay? Ogre, the great womanizer before me? The guy had stopped returning ogre’s calls and avoided him in the hallway and elevator.

                The guy told me that he really didn’t like ogre because he found him far too charming to be real. Also, he had noticed that ogre never really answered questions about himself. Instead, he turned them into a question about you. And then, he acted as if he was hanging on your every word. I was shocked because I’d known ogre for 12 years then. I’d never realized this side of him. And unfortunately, I didn’t then either. The guy predicted ogre would call me that night and it was good I wasn’t home. We ended up hanging out all weekend and he wouldn’t let me check my messages. Of course, ogre had called non-stop.

                It was less than a year later that ogre and I got married and I told the guy across the hall beforehand — although ogre had told me not to hang with him and said he just wanted my body and he was a pervert. He looked at me and said “Turn back now, before you can’t. Ogre is a bad bad guy.” I wish I’d listened.

                So, I guess what I’m trying to say is think, think about your friends, people you know, think about guys your daughter(s) bring home. If they seem too good to be true, they probably are. And if they don’t really answer personal questions but seem to hang on your every word and have a real interest in you or your wife, don’t fall for it. What they do is collect information so they seem to be attentive listeners. Watch for them, and you may find that you know more of them than you realized. They make up at least 1-5% of our society, and 1 in 4 women is abused. Right now, in your block, in your neighbourhood, and within your circle of friends, some woman is being abused, and she has no one to talk to, and she’s afraid.

              • I am sorry for everyone who ever lived or still lives in an abusive home. Hopefully this trial will help those people get help and change. Even JM. Trying to see the good over the evil.

            • Great post Al. I like how you pointed out the sense of entitlement!

            • Thank you AA, for pointing out the abuser profile, and illustrating it with the tortures you went through in your life with him. You’re enlightening me too. Thank you.

          • Al, I came up with something I think you may get a kick out of…..it explains one of the many issues with the world today….in my opinion anyway….which, we all know should be regarded as gospel.

            I’ve discovered a new Socially Transmitted Disease and, in the language I refer to as Krystalish (a collection of words I am known to spontaneously create and use as if they are actual words), it has been named Hypocrabes. Pronounced; hi-pa-cra-bees. It is a combination of Hypocrisy, Crabs, and Herpes because it is Hypocrisy in it’s most advanced state and, at this advanced level, it spreads faster than crabs and, like Herpes, it is not curable. In fact, Hypocrabes can not be treated at all, as the individuals suffering with this Socially Transmitted Disease are beyond help. They simply just don’t care or they just don’t get it. They are stupid, by definition, and we all know you can’t fix that either.

            After doing some extensive data collecting during my research of this particular disease’s origins, including how and who is responsible, it became clear to me the answer to both of those questions proved to be the Mainstream Media Whores. The Talking Heads, more specifically. Apparently, they’ve been busy mind fucking thousands upon thousands of people day in and day out without even once washing their asses. They just mind fucked a thousand here then went and mind fucked another thousand there, over and over. As a result, Hypocrabes is now considered to be pandemic.

            Hypocrabes kills through it’s ignorance and narrow mindedness. Watch yourselves. You don’t need to be in the same room with someone to contract this. Like crabs jump, so does Hypocrabes. Simply listening to HLN, the cess pool breeding ground for this disease, as background noise could put you at risk of contracting Hypocrabes.

            Be afraid…..be very afraid.

      • Al – I always tend to agree with you. I have not watched the Snow White video, but I will do that. I bet that JM will try to bring it in, thats why he went the Snow White route.

      • Al, a Ph.D. level psychologist cannot prescribe medicine unless he/she takes an additional couple of years study in pharmacology, and even that’s only in some states. I don’t see where Dr. DeMarte studied pharmacology and nothing I’ve seen on her says she can prescribe. Where did you get that info?

        • I have no idea what her qualifications are. I just assumed she was a psychiatrist because JM made such a big deal about Samuels not being able to prescribe.

          • She’s got the same qualifications as Dr. Samuels, except she has a doctorate I believe I heard.

            • She fulfilled an APA approved doctoral residency at Arizona State Hospital.

              • Dr Samuels has a PhD. Does the APA approved residency put her above other practicing psychologists, or do they all have to undergo some for of residency. After all they do treat patients.

                • They all have to go through a residency. She’s no different than Dr. S. Well, except for she’s got 3 years of experience and he has 35!

                • Actually, I should say that 35 years ago when Dr. S qualified, he might not have had to go through a residency. That was a long time ago. But he’s done multiple residencies in practice since then.

          • Oh the tricks of JM, huh? And how he ripped on Alyce for not having a Ph.D. But his great expert has had her license for 3 years, and only had it for a year when she evaluated Jodi. Sickening, huh?

            • I’ll bet that JW/KN will handle that adeptly- and without insulting Dr. DeMarte or eliciting uncontrollable laughter from the gallery.

        • Have you found any journal articles? Is she published? I havent found anything.

          • Her dissertations were published of course. And one other paper about the onset of menarche and mental illness connection. I can’t remember what the dissertations were about. I’m on the train right now but I’ll look again when I get home. They were under her university I believe. Villaneuva or something like that. There was absolutely nothing domestic violence related. And regular therapists are not trained in it apparently. My counselors told me that. I don’t know how JM expects to stack her up against Samuels and alyce’s almost 70 years of combined experience.

          • she is published-books. also video-her presentation. try amazon and youtube. alyce is awesome!

      • gee not having a phd my dad did not finish school read books from a-z and built space ship to the moon.

    • Thanks Also Abused for the USA today article,it seems quite objective and to the point.

    • Thanks for the USA today article Also Abused.Very objective and to the point,I think.

  6. Juror #5 did not do her legal duty, and was dismissed. In my mind, that is the same as being FIRED. What job do you have that once you are “let go” “Termiated” “Fired” “Given the boot”…where you get to come back and hang out with your former co workers?????? EVEN if you dont talk to them?
    THEY LET HER OUT A SECRET DOOR TO PREVENT HER BEING HARASSED-OMFG !!!! When are you ever FIRED FROM A JOB AND THEN GIVEN ROCK STAR TREATMENT???
    Once again… Judge Sherry, needs to derobe, and shove those nasty glasses up on her stupid blonde head and ask if there are any positions in the cafeteria.

    I have NEVER been so glad that I am not a tax payer in AZ as I was after watching that news report!

      • Watch, she will be back when trial resumes. They have a four day weekend to get this going, but no, she will be sitting there with her “I can if I want to” bulldog face. The fact that she showed up the day after, and then had to be escorted out, shows Narccisism and some kind of social delayment that tells me that EVEN THE JURY SELECTION WAS DONE POORLY.

        What was done correctly in this trial? Can someone start a list? I am sure it wont take long….

        • I will apoligise now for my terrible grammar, spelling, and inserted capital letters. But its morning, and Friday and I am in for one hell of a day (already found out that we have heating problems and im still in my jammies.!!!!)

          • Everyone wants to make an ordeal about the amount of money being spent on Jodi’s defense, which is her constitutional right, yet nobody is complaining about the tax dollars being spent to provide EX JUROR #5 with security detail!!

            • Detective Flores is paid a salary paid by AZ taxpayers ………to just sit at a table in the courtroom with the prosecutor every day…….all day.

                • maybe they found out he did a poor job with jodi and for punishment they are making him sit thru the trial to learn something they dont want him on any more cases

            • What about the salary’s the state of az taxpayers are paying for the Judge, Prosecutor, the detective, all the court court clerks, deputies, jailers, investigators……. and so on? Who’s wasting all the time? All the news people only mention what the defense is being paid.

              P.S. While the jury is being paid what….$12-14 dollars a day!!!! And so far 3 months have taken time out of their lives and paid peanuts. Hardly pays for their gas & lunches.

        • Correctly executed courtroom tasks and procedures-

          1. Names spelled correctly and assigned their correct owners. (I don’t know if your name is something you “own” but I couldn’t think of a way to describe it)
          2. All parties got dressed
          3. All parties are present
          4. Bulb of the projector correctly installed
          5. All parties in the courtroom are sitting correctly.
          6. At least one individual in the courtroom correctly came to the conclusion that Juan Martinez still sleeps with a blankie, sucks his thumb, and has a race car bed.

          I could go on and on so, OBVIOUSLY, your implication that nothing is done correctly is an asinine one. For shame, Shan72, for fucking SHAME! Now, go over to the corner and put yourself on time out for 5 minutes.

          **Even though it should go without saying, I am SO being a smart ass. Just thought I’d be clear about this, though, because I have never directly interacted with you through comments and I didn’t want you to mistake the tone of the message for seriousness :D**

    • It’s mind-boggling. Not to mention prejudicial and even possibly intimidating to the other jury members. She reminds me of the spoiled bully kid who got caught and punished. Then sat in the corner glaring at the other little kids that got him in trouble.

      • I completely agree. And the fact of the matter is that she was dismissed from the jury for making inappropriate remarks amounting to jury misconduct. If this was a juror who was excused because she fell ill, or some other benign reason, I could see people saying let her back in.

        But this juror was dismissed for jury misconduct. When you commit a violation of rules you have sworn to follow, you give up a right to participate in that event. There is no way under the sun that this woman should have been allowed back into the courtroom. I think the judge really blew it on that one.

    • I’ve modified my thinking on this slightly. I read/heard somewhere in this melee that she is Serbian, and that she has an accent, which makes me think that she wasn’t born here, but must be a naturalized citizen. Do you think that it’s possible that she takes her duty so seriously because she prizes her citizenship tremendously? Or doesn’t understand the delicate way in which the jury status should be protected (evidenced by her popping off to begin with)? I’m not saying that the defense made a mistake in jettisoning her. For one thing, they did the voir dire, so they know way more about her than we do at this point. Plus, she’s just too much of a wild card either way, whether her statements were general or specific. My (potential) point is just that she might be more rah-rah about her participation in the system, and lack a full understanding of why we do things exactly the way that we do because of her naturalized status.

      • I’m not giving free passes to immigrants. I’m one. She speaks English well enough. I suspect she’s just trying to get attention so she can write a book. I mean really if she just wanted to watch the trial, she could have done that at home.

        • I read on a hater site she GLOWS when Juan is speaking she may be in love. Sending her love smiles when he is ranting.

          • @ Rhonda in Alabama- If this is true then, the only conceivable explanation I can come up with would be that she has a glowstick up her ass because, let’s just call a spade a shovel, that is the only way anyone could actually glow when looking at Juan Martinez. Just saying.

            However, I am open to other possible ways one would glow around Juan Martinez, should anyone feel kind enough to share them with me.

    • If that juror really did care so much about this trial and its outcome-verdict she shlould have kept her mouth shut so as not to have been kicked out.Why is she there anyway?To show contempt to Jodi?Or support?Or simply that she’s interested and engaged in this trial?I don’t get it.She had better stay at home and watch the live feed,she has caused enough trouble already!

  7. This woman has a bulldog face like Miss Piggy AKA Nancy Grace. and the male reporter did say that THE JURORS WERE LOOKING AT HER! To me- THAT is enough to say that she either MUST LEAVE, or that she is tainting the jury with her presence.

    Mistrial. Mistrial Mistrial???????????????? I dont want to see it because of the cost, but really, I also DO want to see it because of the unfairness of all of this

    Also last night on some show, _ oh DR DREW- it was his replacement…. one of the male lawyer guests was OPENLY DISGUSTED with being invited there to talk about her hair, and if I find the link again I will post it. He was like “Really? Her hair? ”

    It would really help alot if people would refuse to be on these shows for their own good, I think that being on an HLN legal show… is much like rolling in dog shit. You start to smell like it after a while yourself. Its just stupid to continue these antics.
    I know if I was trying to find people to fill a segment on a real news show, I would stay clear away from any of the HLN participants because of their clown like demeanor, and commentary, which is a shame because we all know they are told EXACTLY what they can and cant say on the air on those shows. Why destroy a credible career by even being on one of them?
    I am angry and pissy this morning. I blame Juan Martinez. Bastard- I now cannot think of Snow White or even look at little people without his ugly mug entering my mind. WTF?

    • The sulking, petty bully known as Juror #5 needs to -POOF- vanish altogether. There is absolutely nothing good to come from her being in that courtroom. PERIOD. Absolutely nothing. She had her front row pass and moral obligation, and she blew it! Go home already!

    • Shan72

      I’ll say the same thing to you as I have to others. Don’t watch the darned channel. All you do is boost their ratings. And remember ratings these days are collected through the set top boxes, so if you tune in you are in effect giving NG and Dr Drew and all the rest of those bozos a raise.

      Don’t do it. It serves no purpose other than to rob you of your own peace of mind and give NG a raise.

      Just come to this page, where you can have a reasoned discussion. We may not always agree with what everyone says on this site, but fortunately SJ and crew, who by the way have done a masterful job, allow the discussion to occur as long as it is on a mature and decent level.

      Once again, let those folks stew in their own misery. Life’s too short for that stuff.

      • Oh Al
        You just sounded like a loving father guiding your kids gently on the right path 🙂

      • AL you say dont watch the HLN show but I did and heard the dad interview and he stated the gun was a 22 handgun if I did not watch it I would not of heard it

        • Yeah but it doesn’t matter, since the grandfather, who owned the gun said it was a 25. Also the interviews are available on the web, which is where I watched them.

  8. I cannot believe that HLN which is part of CNN is presenting this trial this way. They are reducing
    themselves to the lowest common denominator. Now they are exploiting Jodie arias s parents
    for ratings.

    I am old enough to remember the Sam Shepard case in the l950 s. This case has similarities. I hope there
    are some appealable issues when it is over. The media is overstepping their bounds

    • The Doctor Sam Sheppard case: Media Ethics With A Life At Stake: Trial By Media
      Sheppard vs. Maxwell 384 US 333

      http;//www.ohio.edu/ethics/2001-conferences/media-ethics-with-a-life-at-stake-the-sam-sheppard-murder-trial-index.html

      • Will
        I have posted that many times, My Mom told me about this case I was also a huge Fan of F.Lee Bailey and he did a great Job getting Sheppard another Trial. Which is an historical case.

        In the Sheppard Case In 1954, Dr. Sam Sheppard was found guilty in the murder of his wife.
        F Lee Bailey, at the time a resident of Rocky River, Ohio, was hired by Sheppard’s brother Stephen to help in his brother’s appeal. In 1966, Bailey successfully argued before the U.S. Supreme Court that Sheppard had been denied due process, winning a re-trial. A not-guilty verdict followed. In an 8-1 decision the Court found that Sheppard did not receive a fair trial. Noting that although freedom of expression should be given great latitude, the Court held that it must not be so broad as to divert the trial away from its primary purpose: adjudicating both criminal and civil matters in an objective, calm, and solemn courtroom setting. The blatant and hostile trial coverage by Cleveland’s radio and print media, and the physical arrangement of the courtroom itself – which facilitated collaboration between the prosecution and present media – all combined to so inflame the jury peoples’ minds against Sheppard as to deny him a fair trial. The Court concluded that the trial judge should have either postponed the proceedings or transferred them to a different venue.

      • Oh you betcha Tony and isn’t that in Florida? They have the sunshine laws there so one can probably already get tons of pages of discovery long before the trial starts. I know I had read thousands of pages long before the Casey Anthony trial started and when I was watching it via a live stream, they had a chat and I couldn’t figure out what trial those people were watching because it sure wasn’t the same trial I was watching.

  9. Shan72….he is abusing us all….Please do not let it get to you, he will be a has been after this is all done and Jodi is set free…

    Why is it that KN can not get the jury sequestered….does he not have the right to go above this judge?

    • Cindy, yes and no (in regards to KN going above the judge). Essentially, the judge is the arbiter in her courtroom and the highest authority therein until the trial ends. Now, KN *could* file an interlocutory appeal to the AZ Supreme Court. He actually filed one of those already in regards to probable cause indictment (due to Flores changing his story) I believe. He was denied on that one. So, yes, he could file another one and he has 10 days from the ruling to do so. But it requires also submitting a brief with a great deal of research, and he’s in the middle of a trial. He could ask the supreme court to consider his appeal on an emergency basis, and they would probably oblige. He would have to show irreparable harm, which could not be remedied during a plenary appeal (after the case is over) and that’s not easy to do. Also, it’s unlikely that the appellate court would do much before deliberations begin, so it might not be all that beneficial and he can restate his motion to the judge for sequestration before deliberation begins.

      Another point here is that if Jodi is convicted and he needs to file a plenary appeal, he won’t want the justices to see him as overly litigious and having filed two appeals, they may frown a little.

  10. Now that the trial which initially was about a woman on trial for her life appears to be over and a new trial has started about abuse in fairy tales, I am hoping next week JM can get to the bottom of the Jack and Jill story as I have many concerns about went on when Jack and Jill went up the hill as to what actually went on at the top of the hill obviously some altercation took place between them as Jack fell down and broke his crown and of course Jill came tumbling after but who was at fault-Jack or Jill? Did Jack assault Jill who then defended herself? Totally confused over this one!

    • And how about the cannibalistic serial killing giant with a penchant for the blood of Englishmen?

      By the way when he came after jack and Jack cut down the beanstalk, did Jack not have an obligation to flee? So was that really self defense or M2?

      Oh and just in the passing, did Jack trade his cow for 3 beans or four? And doesn’t that show M1, since he knew that the cow couldn’t get him up to the giant’s lair. Of course since he was stealing stuff from the giant may be we ought to have an alternative charge of felony murder.

      This is some serious stuff folks!

      • No plea negotiations for Jack. He deserves the death penalty. And as for allegations that the giant molested him, well, he was a brat and deserved it anyway for luring the giant into a relationship with him by brainwashing giant into believing he is cute when really he is just a skank. Giant never molested any boys before.

    • Ah, Canadian Snowdog, We must not dismiss the possibility that there was a third person up on the hill already who was responsible for pushing them BOTH down the hill. Or, perhaps an accident occurred which caused them to lose their footing. We should not assume from the evidence presented that there was any altercation between Jack and Jill.

    • Canadian Snowdog,
      you know what else is serious stuff??
      That evil wolf who was either secretly in love with the grandma(that’s why he killed her)or with Little Red Riding Hood herself,that’s why he was lurking,trying to attack and rape her!!!!
      Help,help!Call the Sheriff(or better yet Martinez the fairytale expert)to look into that case of bastard canid!!We’re in serious danger!

    • OMG now I understand Jack & Jill. He was a wife beater, the little sod. Thank you so much.

      Now, what about Jack Sprat and his wife? Do you think she really couldn’t eat lean, or was he depriving her of it? Will Kermit explain this to us next week?

      • Jack was a feeder. He forced his poor wife to keep eating fat because of his fetish. Clearly, he’s guilty of cruelty and should be deprived of eating lean while sitting in the courtroom on lunch breaks.

  11. Don’t know where to post this, but I got a response from amazon:

    Hello Silvia ,

    I looked into your recent reports of violations of our Review Guidelines regarding “It Could Happen To Anyone: Why Battered Women Stay.” We’re aware that that there is a possible campaign for this title using our Customer Reviews, and that some reviews don’t adhere to our guidelines. We appreciate that you took the time to contact us to bring this situation to our attention.

    We’re taking steps to prevent this from reoccurring. However, it will take some time to remove the reviews that violate our guidelines. I appreciate your patience while we work to resolve this problem. Any changes made will appear soon.

    You can see our participation guidelines here:

    http://www.amazon.com/review-guidelines/

    I hope this helps. We look forward to seeing you again soon.

    Best regards,
    Ahkeel P

    • This is progress for sure. They will probably turn off reviews on the book until the minions go back to their nests and devour their young.

    • I too went and reported the reviews. They’re all saying she’s trying to cash in with this book because of the trial and the damn thing was written in 2000 so it ain’t like she wrote the book in anticipation of being on national TV 🙂

      • Thank you Sil,
        I was very concerned about those false reviews and the effect they would have on ALV’s sales and reputation. This is good news. You have helped settle the anxiety that this travesty was causing me. Keep us posted 🙂

    • Thanks, Sil.
      Am also waiting for an answer from Amazon on my complaint. They said they would reply in 12 hours, but 48 have passed. I’m patient, and I will also all let you know of the answer.

  12. Hilarious post, SJ! Yesterday’s court proceedings were a farce! JM is constantly proving what an asshole he really is. What a joke.
    As for Juror #5, someone on Facebook said it best: she is back in the court room while she waits for the highest bidder!

    • I know she is juror #5 but I fear… she is farther down the famewhore list. They all seem to bleed together at this point to me though. Amazing how many crazies this trial has brought out.

  14. Cindy raised a very good question about why KN cannot seem to go above this Judge. Is there not a process? I am sure that there should be a process in place where they can see how this trial is being run. The naysayers will say we are claiming we have issues because we are prodefense, but that is not true. She simply does not have control of the courtroom, and it is clearly obvious from her allowence of the WTF Snow White Vs Martinez pony show yesterday.
    At what point does her “boss” so to speak, come in and gently remove her from her chair with an apologetic smile to the crowd of bystanders? Someone has to do this soon, very soon.

    • Shan72,

      There is a process, an immediate appeal to the court of appeals and KN has been there once and was turned down. The court of appeals can grant an immediate injunction against an action by the trial court if the appellant can show the following:

      1. The trial court erred in a decision.
      2. The error is of such gravity, that if the case continues under the current conditions, there is no cure available to the appellant for the harm done to the appellant’s case.

      I talked to a friend of mine a while ago about this, and he told me that such appeals are available in most jurisdictions. However, in most cases such appeals by the defense are turned down because they don’t meet the second test, i.e. there are no cures available. This is because, should the error lead to a conviction, the defendant still has the whole appeals process available. However, they are often granted for the prosecution, because if the error leads to an acquittal then the prosecution can’t appeal it and hence no cure is available.

  15. This sham of a trial would not be taking place if not for Juan Martinez. A plea was proposed and he refused it. It is not my place to judge but this is arrogance on his part. Judge Sherry Stephens should have sequestered the jury. The request of the defense was not unreasonable as they provided a valid reason for the jury to be secluded. I find it hard to believe in this high profile trial that jurors have not been exposed to outside factors. For instance, how many go to Walgreen’s or the food market where at the registers they have those “scandal sheets?” Do not tell me someone did not see a sensationalized headline that caught their eye. If they get in their car, turn on the radio, and start driving they risk hearing the headlines of the trial on the news. I live on the East Coast and have heard details on the radio.

    As I mentioned yesterday, what stops a juror from researching a witness or have someone do it for them.
    Another thing that troubles me is how supporter’s of Travis Alexander are going to websites and damaging the good name of expert witness and their good work. It seems Dr. Samuels disappeared and not doubt it is because of harassment. Alyce will not disappear that quickly. She is experienced and knowledgeable in her field of work. She is very experienced in dealing with anger and abuse which is what I am seeing Mr. Martinez display more and more. Her work has been validated, almost carved in stone over the years.

    At the end of the day, Jodi’s fate is in the hands of 12 people. My guess is that their minds have already been made up. Jodi has been supported by some wonderful people such as her Defense Team, Dr. Samuels, and Alyce. They have provided her with things maybe her own family are unable to provide her with.

    This is a safe place to visit for all who have empathy and understanding that humans make mistakes. It is what we learn from our mistakes that is of ultimate importance.

  16. Expect HLN to attack Snow White as a cocaine-using, gold-digging slut who sexually serviced 7 ugly, little men as she screwed her way to the top.

  17. It was truly a sad day yesterday. What is even sadder is that the minions of haters, in their celebrating what they see as JM putting ALV in her place fail to see the what he has really done.

    We have lost so many to domestic violence, for every one of us that had the courage to overcome our fear and get out, there are many who couldn’t do that and it cost them their lives. And now I fear we will lose even more, because of the antics of a man who has in essence insinuated domestic violence and battered women syndrome are nothing but a myth. In turn giving abusers permission to continue the cycle of abuse and he went on to prove it by abusing Alyce.

    My heart is hurting, we had come so far and now in the span of just minutes, put what ground we have gained he has put in jeopardy.

    • Don’t despair Gail. I truly believe that when Jodi gets acquitted, many people will see JM for what he really is, a bully and an asshole who would trample over anyone to get a win in court. He’s such a lowlife.

    • Martinez is a DISGRACE not only to all Prosecutors and the entire judicial system but also to all battered women whose efforts to speak out against their abusers and be heard took decades for our society to stop and listen!!! And now that we´ve made headway this man is MAKING A MOCKERY of it all!
      Abused women out there should unite and denounce him or sth!!

    • I feel the same. It makes me sad that many might not get help or get out due to the attitudes during this trial of DV. They are being told this is a normal relationship and that scares the hell out of me for the future. Women cheering on an abusive man just makes it worse.

  18. I asked this question in the other thread, but it got lost in all the comments: What was it that precipitated that rant from Travis, the text that was 16 pages long and was six hours in duration? I am trying to remember what it was. Did it have anything to do with Jodi talking to a friend about the sexual nature of the relationship and he was afraid of being exposed, or was he mad over her forgetting to take that picture he made for her back to Yreka, or was it something else? I know it was discussed at trial, but I can’t remember right now.

    • It sounds like from the Radar Online piece he went into the tirade after she accidentally left that picture in Mesa.

      • It wasn’t specified in the testimony of ALV. I had to replay the testimony to see what it was, but I know Jodi had talked about texts/IM in her testimony.

        I just can’t remember the circumstances surrounding that horrible rant.

  19. a test…. my posting ability was broken yesterday, of all days…..*crossing fingers…

    • Renee, I HAD THE EXACT SAME PROBLEM last night!! The site went down and when I finally accessed it,I couldnt post;all I got was a ”you are posting too quickly please slow down”message!
      I felt helpless,I even thought I had said sth to upset SJ and got banned…
      Is it hacking?It seems to be happening a lot lately.

  20. I was wondering if anyone knows about something I read about I think yesterday. (I’ve read so much I lose track of where I found it)

    Anyways, I read somewhere about Dr. Drew’s dirty little secret, Katie Wick and something about M&Ms, and some having ‘in the fog’ written on them? What I read went on to say that she gave them to JM and he giggled???

    What is that all about? Anyone?

    • Spectators gave JM personalized m&m’s with his name on them and some other sayings like “its your fog”. So now JM is getting ties and personalized candy from the gallery.

      • And this is okay? For some reason I always believed prosecutors, defense lawyers, officers of the court always took steps to ensure they were above reproach. Silly Me!

        • He is not trying a case at this point, he is acting for his adoring fans. The crazier he acts, the more they love him.

          • I read about that M & M fan of his. Which makes me want to puke. He has women passing out and not being able to breath like meeting Elvis or the Beatles, Next women will be hurling their underwear at him. Does anyone remember what the trial is about? Seems like Dopey has lost all touch with reality.

            • And the sad thing is that it’s women who act crazy around him.Women! I guess they have yet to understand that their ‘idol’ is doing his best to ridicule a Domestic Violence victim(namely Jodi)and a Domestic Violence expert!

          • Keep it coming, groupies. The more he id distracted /deluded by them, the less he will be able to try this case effectively.

      • Are you all sure that what the juan peeps gave him were actually ‘m & m’s’? And not some extra strong breath mints? 🙂

    • Im sorry but she reminds me so much of Barbra Jean from the Reba show I have taken to calling her BJ .. I am not referring to the actress herself but the character.:)

  21. So many people should be ashamed of themselves ….

    The Judge, who i believe from the very beginning has been in over her head, i think at this time she is just treading water to try and stay afloat.

    The Prosecutor who has made a mockery of our justice system, and has let the unending adulation of the “media” and mindless .. raging fans inflate his head & ego so much so that every cross examination turns into “The Juan Martinez Variety Show”

    Starring … Juan Martinez as … The,

    Character Assassin
    Bully
    Joker
    Trickster
    Weaver Of Words

    and introducing his new persona ….. Sleazy Dwarf

    The Media …. the HLN/CNN Ghouls Gallery with their “Faux Experts” .. “Very Offensive – Defense Attorneys” and lest i forget …. Drew – (I’m not really a Dr but i play one on tv) – Pinsky who have whipped the masses into such a frenzy .. day after day .. night after night filling their heads with outright lies, spewing their venom and unwarranted hate towards Jodi .. her Defense and their Experts. I’ve said this before, but the only things missing are the “Pitch Forks & Torches”

    This whole charade.. with it’s angry mob and “Kill” mentality makes a Frankenstein movie look like …. well ……

    Snow White!

    They should all be ashamed ……

    The Mob should take off their “Hate Blinders” open their minds .. and hearts and realize that Jodi is “NOT” the monster the media is portraying her to be .. or that TA was “NOT” was not the “Saint” or the person everyone thought he was … he certainly did not deserve to die, but in my opinion he “Was” an abuser and for the masses to disregard his own words is a terrible injustice!

    I wish that he would have gotten the help he desperately needed …
    I wish Jodi could have broken free from him before all this happened …

    I pray for both Jodi and TA … and pray that the lights will suddenly .. “Switch On” and the haters will realize they are being Duped by HLN!

    I pray for everyone here!

  22. I have continued to watch the police interrogation with Detective Flores and am on video number five at the moment. I honestly believe that Flores is now sitting in the courtroom asking Jodi silently why she couldn’t tell him all these things in the first place when he questioned her. She should have gotten a lawyer straight away. I am not saying that I am on the side of the prosecution at all but I do think if she had been able to tell what happened she would not be facing the horrendous charges she is now. It seems to me that Flores did not really think that she went there to kill Travis but something happened. This entire thing is so very sad and having it turned into a circus is terrible.

    • Hmm then why did Flores recommend the charges to the county attorney’s office?

      • So far I have only watched half of the interrogation and it is all on the day she is arrested. She has been read her miranda rights twice, and I have yet to see her either say she will waive her rights to an attorney or ask for an attorney, although she may have done that when she was first placed under arrest. I found this bit interesting:
        Arias: She (Sky Hughes) told me all kinds of stuff about Travis that I wasn’t aware of.

        Flores: What kinds of stuff?

        Arias: They (Chris and Sky Hughes) said that if I didn’t get away from Travis I was going to become just like Deanna. Do you want to waste six years of your life waiting for him?

        Flores: Because he can’t commit.

        Arias:He told Deanna I love you and all that kind of stuff.

        Flores:I believe he does love her but Travis had a uhhh.. he’s what you call a player. He kinda pulls girls in but he can’t make a commitment. He portrays himself to be a certain way but he’s really not. He portrays himself to have a lot of money but he’s not.
        Arias: With Chris and Sky, by the end of the conversation they started calling me Deanna.

        Flores: How did you feel about that?

        Arias: My biggest concern was losing respect in their eyes because I really looked up to them. I would have laughed it off but I feared inside that I was losing that respect. Travis wrote a big email to Sky and she wrote back stating why do you kiss Jodi in the dark and in the daytime act like you two are not together?
        This was taken from the very first interrogation video.

        • Poor Jodi.And poor Deanna.I have said early on that Deanna was/is as much of a victim of TA as Jodi was/is…

          • Deanna has his pictures all over her FB page and they are stating that she and him were a couple he gave her a ring etc. You Can see her FB Page Deanna Reid! Very Strange She is 100% pro Travis!!

            • Not so strange actually.Deanna was manipulated by him as much as Jodi,I imagine.She never broke free from his spell and after he died she kinda idolised him even more.I see her as just another girl who happened to fall for the wrong guy.IMHO,of course.

        • debbie you did good there is more here you missed the question posed to sky by the defence lawyer

      • Jodi would not give any information at all at first,she kept telling them she was not there and those charges were laid before she was arrested and interrogated on these videos. It seems everybody and their brother pointed the finger at Jodi when they found Travis’s body.

        • another good point of view debbie keep searching for the truth and it will set jodi free

          • Tonya you should watch these interrogation videos. At one point Flores tells Jodi that some neighbours saw her there on June 4th and she said how could that be? Last time I saw any of the neighbours my hair was blonde.

  23. Okay…. so yesterday, was at minimum, the craziest mother fucking thing I have ever witnessed in a court of law. I felt like suddenly, this was the biggest joke/farce/parody I had ever seen. JM trying to turn the death of that asshole into some damn fairy tail?? The judge continuously overruling objections…. isn’t cross supposed to follow the scope of direct? Was alice in wonderland spoken of in Alyce’s testimony??

    This stupid, arrogant, manic, grade A Asshole had the last 30 minutes in front of the jury before the weekend, and he allowed Alyce to hand him his asshole this way?

    My husband has been semi following this trial, mostly through me and live streams I have shown him.

    Until yesterday, he was convinced of two things:

    Travis was a giant douche-bag prick, and Jodi was guilty.

    That all changed for him yesterday. Watching Kermi’s rant, he suddenly decided that this prosecutor deliberately THREW this case. He said no self-respecting attorney would stand there and do the things he did. He then asked me to show him the 48 hours interview of Jodi. He then dug around a little through the evidence.

    He is now CONVINCED Jodi is a patsy, and she is lying out of fear. He is convinced Sky and Chris H had something to do with this, that it is a giant conspiracy, and that the DA is deliberately throwing the case because the plan is to have Jodi killed once she is acquitted. He is 100% convinced of a Mormon cover-up.

    My husband is not a conspiracy theorist, so this really surprised me.

    I might be looking at this from some new angles today.

    • Woo hoo!!! another convert due to actual facts!!!!

      Great post!

      Missed you, glad you are back…

    • I agree the end of yesterday was like a parody. I don’t think SNL could have done it any better 🙂

    • If he’s throwing this case, a distinct possibility, it’s because he knew he lost the case (at least for murder one) as soon as the phone call and text messages were introduced at trial.

      • tonysam,

        I said this a while ago. I believe that JM has done some things in court that are just so beyond the pale that it made me wonder if he was actually trying to get a mistrial himself. He over-charged this case to such a large extent, that there is a real chance he will get nothing. And he had an M2 plea he could have taken. When they loose this big the prosecutors get drummed out of office. Remember Chris Darden and Marcia Clark, Gil Garcetti essentially told them not to let the door hit them on their butts on the way out.

        I think at this stage JW and KN should make their arguments for the record, when needed, but the guy who really wants that mistrial is JW. He has to argue against it for the look of things but I think he’s really working towards a mistrial. Just look at all the stuff that’s happened in the last two days:

        1. The release of the tapes of Jodi’s parents that serve no purpose other than to incite the public. This is something that is specifically prohibited by the Rules of Conduct for prosecutors, to whit

        “except for statements that are necessary to inform the public of the nature and extent of the prosecutor’s action and that serve a legitimate law enforcement purpose, refrain from making extrajudicial comments that have a substantial likelihood of heightening public condemnation of the accused and exercise reasonable care to prevent investigators, law enforcement personnel, employees or other persons assisting or associated with the prosecutor in a criminal case from making an extrajudicial statement that the prosecutor would be prohibited from making under ER 3.6 or this Rule”

        2. The presence of Juror #5 in the courtroom yesterday. I think it would have been incumbent on JM to argue against her presence.

        3. His yelling and screaming at witnesses and throwing stuff is calling for a misconduct issue.

        4. And then there is this whole Snow White thing

        • Given the fact Jodi’s parents have supported her throughout this ordeal and the fact those tapes aren’t evidence in the trial, release of them is pointless EXCEPT to manipulate public opinion.

        • Sorry Al, I have to disagree. He still believes he’s going to win. He’s out for blood and these tactics have worked for him before.

          I don’t believe he would ever admit releasing those tapes. And I don’t believe anyone could have stopped Juror 5 from being in the courtroom (except herself).

          And even if JM doesn’t win in court, he has a book deal and a movie deal ahead of him. So, he still wins.

          • “And even if JM doesn’t win in court, he has a book deal and a movie deal ahead of him. So, he still wins.”

            I dont know AlsoAbused, when Martinez feels the loss of this trial deep in his “pregenual anterior cingulate cortex” (the part of the brain that feels embarassment), his possible movie deal/book deal won’t erase the scar that will be left behind. It won’t erase the true “winner”, Jodi.

            It wouldn’t matter if Martinez won or lost this trial, regardless he would have these deals. It’s not truly winning.

            Winning, will be Jodi. No matter how many books or movies Marinez writes or stars in about his failure, his lies, and his tacky, evil tactics. He’ll always be a failure and his “rockstar” status will fade just as quickly as it became.

            And who could watch a movie with all his screaming a flailing and abusive behavior anyway?

            Don’t worry – Martinez will come in last.

          • I believe she could have been called to witness.
            I guess the defense decided against it.
            I know when my brother was going to witness, my husbans and I wanted to go in there, but the DA said they could call us out of the gallery to testify.
            Do could the defense ask her since she was in court to testify?

    • Great post and yes my husband who has watched bits and pieces of it has said from the beginning she was taking the fall for someone. After he watched 48 hours he thought it is was some type of cover up with PPL and that Mormon group. In her early interrogation tapes she really looks like she is in fear for her families life.

      • Yes, and there is no forensic evidence that disproves that. Also, I think it’s interesting that she bought a 9mm gun after going home, and she was ready to leave Yreka when they arrested her. I used to think she was running away from being arrested. Now I think she was running away for fear of her life and to protect her family.

    • I wouldn’t put anything past this Proscecutor and the Pro Office. Do you all think he would “Throw” the case in order to retry it again?

      I think it more likely that the Judge is insuring that any conviction could be overthrown on appeal.

      • Actually I think what this judge may be doing is actually letting each side try their case in its entirety, and being a DP case she is letting them put forward everything they want to.

        What she allowed the defense to get in through ALV was really a massive stretch of Rule 703. Even at times where they got close to the hairy edge she gently steered both JW and ALV into answers where she could then allow it to continue.

        Before ALV’s testimony I too thought she was rather pro-state, but after the way she let the defense handle ALV, I’m not so sure anymore. I suspect that either she has decided to let just about all the evidence get presented, or along the way she has decided that the prosecution case is so bad that she’s going to give the defense enough leeway to get everything they need in. Which might also explain her allowing JM to carry on yesterday. Give him enough rope to hang himself.

        I really think the moment that changed the judge’s perceptions of JM and this case was when JM started yelling at Jodi to look at the autopsy picture of TA. Remember his comment about were you crying when you cut his throat. Well then LOOK AT THE PICTURE.

        If you folks remember, with no objection or anything, the judge bailed Jodi out by announcing a recess. I have noticed a difference in her since that day.

        But then that’s just me.

        • Al=
          I think you are absolutely correct. It is clear that JM is a complete lunatic and she could have shut him down a long time ago, particularly yesterday with his insane Snow White antics. My gut tells me you are right and she’s going to give him plenty of rope to hang himself.

    • Very interesting. My partner has a similar view of what happened. He thinks Jodi is taking the fall for someone or others that promised her she wouldn’t be convicted, that they would be able to get her off. And he absolutely is not a conspiracy theorist.

    • ”and that the DA is deliberately throwing the case because the plan is to have Jodi killed once she is acquitted. ”
      omg…Just reading this,petrified me.

    • I AGREE!! I have been saying this since the beginning the evidence is to obvious hand print pictures etc
      Looks staged. and the integrity of the crime scene was not protected. I don’t know what happened but who knows if a porno ring strange messages on Travis My Space seems something was going on he had a friend who made films. Money problems.

    • What a smart man ! been thinking that from way back now just too many strange things going on. An remember she was so scared when she was still on the outside she bought that 9mm an I do not believe it was for a camping trip either. She is afraid of someone. An I am sure she thinks it is odd that Ashley committed suicide in 2010 also. Which looks funny also.

  24. GM all
    hey SJ, I was just reading this article on Kate Goslin, and how she was bullied by threatening emails, some are very similar to what is happening to ALV, and Dr. Samuels. Anyway, there is a website that addresses this type of behavior, they actually expose the people behind the emails and texts. I think this is awesome and maybe you would be interested in this site.
    http://www.bullyville.com/

    I believe in free speech, but what they are doing to some of these defense experts, like interfering with their ability to earn a living, its plain wrong!! time to take a stand, and if anyone else here is getting threatening messages, I would contact this website as well, see what they can do.

    god bless, and have a wonderful weekend

      • you betcha! anything I can do to help, I feel awful about what’s happening to these wonderful caring professionals, its disgusting!
        the recon section is particularly interesting…and there’s also a tab to post texts and comments that are posted to anyones twitter or FB. I’ve never done it, but I’m glad someone is stepping up to stop it.
        Have a great day, and GO TEAM Jodi!!!

        • They are celebrating getting Alyce’s speaking engagement cancelled for this weekend (I dont know if she really did)

          They shout that it is Karma… um, no, THEY SINGLE-HANDEDLY DESTROYED a strangers career.

          Ms. Karma IS indeed a vengeful bitch, and Karma will touch each of those folks in good time.

          • Wow this is sad that they think that. Last I checked ALV was not on trial. So a case about abuse and a killing is somehow being lost on this group, They are giving high fives to each other that they are bullying witnesses and then using character assassination.

    • I WAS interested in the site… until I saw with some irony that DR DREW was on there. He is a damned bully in his own right with his HLN participation of the onslaught against Jodi Arias. What a joke.

    • yes, it kinda is. I thought Arizona was a progressive state, I really did,then I started watching Judge Pickles, no way to run a courtroom. I have seen pre- school classes with tighter ships.

      • AZ is run by the far right wing. When that happens it results in the kind of ridiculousness that we see in this trial. Example – this should never have been brought to trial.

        • This law is pretty disturbing:
          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arizona_SB_1070

          “The Arizona Act additionally made it a state misdemeanor crime for an alien to be in Arizona without carrying the required documents,[8] required that state law enforcement officers attempt to determine an individual’s immigration status during a “lawful stop, detention or arrest”, or during a “lawful contact” not specific to any activity[9] when there is reasonable suspicion that the individual is an illegal immigrant”…ie based on individual’s appearance/racial make-up

          • That law makes me SICK! They have actually detained American citizens for hours on end because they weren’t carrying their green cards and treated them like CRAP, just because they look like an “alien”.

            I don’t carry my green card because if it gets lost or stolen, it’s a MAJOR pain to replace and takes forever. And without it, it’s hell to get a state ID. I decided long ago NEVER to put a foot in the stinking state of AZ.

        • Also, from wikip page on Joe Arpaio:

          “Failure to investigate sex crimes

          During a three-year period ending in 2007, more than 400 sex-crimes reported to Arpaio’s office were inadequately investigated, or not investigated at all. While providing police services for El Mirage, Arizona, the MCSO under Arpaio failed to follow-through on at least 32 reported child molestations, even though the suspects were known in all but six cases. Many of the victims were children of illegal immigrants.[69][73]

          An Internal Affairs investigation has been underway for four years, since 2008. The Sheriff’s Office refuses to release any of its findings.”

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Arpaio#Failure_to_investigate_sex_crimes

          • Oliv-
            You have called it correctly all along about the Mormon cult. Gets more scarey and creepy by the day.

      • that was what i thought, i almost moved there…wow they don’t even have to do a background check to by firearms there or be registered and allowed to carry them…maybe its the heat…maybe they aren’t getting enough oxygen to their brains…and the death penalty??? wow…with all the mormons and believers out there you’d think they’d be against the death penalty. so mormons don’t believe in jesus’ teachings? they are a scarey lot.
        have good sex with a girl, abuse her, keep having sex with her but look for a virgin a wife, while enjoying another woman…that is so MORAL…

        • Let’s not forgot the “Warren Jeffs” of the Mormon “faith”. I am now convinced that the mainstream LDS is exactly the same as the crazies like Jeffs, that they claim to be distant from.

          • That idiotic show on TLC, ‘Sister Wives’, makes me sick in trying to normalize polygamous behavior.

          • The founder believed in incest and polygamy and many many ex mormons are very disturbed by the misogyny hypocrisy and cult behavior. and lets not leave out the Pedophile Prophet. Don’t Embarrass the Mormon Church, also they have too many pyramid schemes and many stories that mirror Travis. They are knee deep in abuse and have much cover from money and compliance of the media.

  27. Good morning everyone and welcome back Renee!

    So glad to see everyone.

    I cannot add anything to the spectacular observances and posts already said by you amazingly gifted people. We all knew SJ would hit a grand slam with his post today and he surely did not disappoint!

    Renee’s husband, my son…two MEN who have changed their opinions about Jodi’s innocence in just this past week. We are making headway to some extent even with the shameful joke of a court proceeding that is ongoing in AZ. Samantha Stephens needs to be kicked off that bench she sits on and sent to traffic court. Apparently a capital murder case is far beyond her reach as not only a “judge” but as an attorney as well. And I would love to see JM demoted to overnight arraignments…they both are a disgrace to an already tarnished profession.

    Thankfully we are blessed by JW and KN who are classy, professional, intelligent and give us all hope that attorneys are NOT all slimy bastards. 🙂

    • Judge Sherry Stephens reminds me a lot of former judge Lance Ito in the O.J. criminal trial.

      She’s way in over her head.

      • I thought I read that this is her first DP case. Does anyone know if that is correct? And if it is, are and “Sr” Judges giving her pointers on how to control the little troll?

        • This is NOT her first murder cast. Se hears cases in the morning,also. She was late one morning last week to this trial because she was in a courtroom down the hall listening to vi. victim impact statements and sentencing the guy,aBosnian war veteran, who stabbed his girlfriend 44 times w a screwdiver to life w/out parole. So much for PTSD in Pickles circuses. The Alexander family also were in attendance at that trial and his sister ran crying out of the room
          Guess she was hoping for DP in that one. ,too. What a farce this whole thing is. Un B leiv able. We have now repla ed Italy(Amanda Knox) as the judicial laughing stock of the world.

            • BUT which one did she actually START first?

              I thought Jodi’s trial WAS her first, regardless of whether or not she finished another one or not.

              I’m trying to find out…anyone know?

          • I Lark

            Technically jodi’s case WAS her first. If you look at the court minutes for both Jodi’s case and Dzevad Selimovic’s case you can compare when the trials started and also when the judge came on board.

            Unless you have better information than that?

          • Whatever in the world would the Alexander family be doing sitting in on someone else’s trial?

            • It was in the same courtroom. That’s the judge’s courtroom. The Alexanders were there waiting for Jodi’s case to be called.

        • I heard it was her 1st. I don’t know if that information is true. It does appear JW has to carry the load of what is allowed or permitted on direct testimony by an expert. I think JW has to request so many sidebars to educate (for a better word) the judge. No lawyer should have to ask the judge for speaking objections.

  28. What gets me about this case is the denial by so many that this couldn’t possibly be a DV case, but one of the most common reasons women are incarcerated for murder is because of DV situations.

    Why WOULDN’T Jodi Arias be abused? Every bit of known evidence points to it.

    • That’s just it, tonysam, people do NOT have a well informed understanding of what domestic violence actually is. So they go on HLN, Facebook, ect talking out of their ass as if they know who is a victim and who is not.

      Like Alyce said, the depictions in movies and the stereotypes in society do not match the situations that she has been working with for several years. Extreme abuse of being beaten three or more days per week is maybe 3% of cases, so what is it that HLN and their Facebook asshat fans are trying to say? That the 97% of victims are not in bad enough situations to qualify as abuse?

      So, how much is one person supposed to take? And why should anyone assume that it requires being beaten three days a week to get the same psychological impact of apprehension Alyce was talking about? How the hell can ANYONE decide what quota of abuse a victim must endure before she has a right to defend her own life? That is just so sick. They are saying that they can play god and tell people they don’t have a right to defend their own existence if they haven’t been beaten enough.

      And then there’s JM who on one hand, craps on Alyce for not having a PHD, then claims her work is based solely on her own viewpoints; then asks if Travis was a victim of domestic violence. I mean, why even ASK if he won’t believe that she is qualified or an expert anyway? What, if she says yes does that suddenly mean she’s magically qualified again? So then what’s the point of people getting educated and trained if their work experience and contributions to society ultimately mean nothing because they don’t support someone else’s anti-woman ideology?

      I also found it interesting that he says that battered women are an “alleged” phenomenon, whereas Travis was a victim. Really???

      • You make such a good point here: JM tries to disqualify AL’s expertise, then wants to use her expertise it to make a point that he will use to beat her testimony up with. There must be some kind of psycho term for this, like covert- manipulative- trust- bandit. Just when you think it’s relatively okay to answer him he pulls the rug out. Listen to what he does with his voice sometimes. It will come down in tone, and everyone gets a momentary reprive from the ranting escalation, then he asks the question that gets him the answer he wants with “right” on the end. Then bam he pulls the rug out with the usual credability assasination. He did this with all the witnesses.

        • I think the technical term is ‘crazy-making’. JM is the kind of person to stay away from/ not listen to anything they have to say. It is so fingernails on a chalkboard for me to think about how people in that courtroom, especially the witnesses on the stand, are forced by law to listen to him. Eeeee

    • Why do people ALWAYS deny DV? I’m so sick of it. I’m sick of being made to feel like I should be ashamed to be a DV victim. I’m sick of it not being polite conversation to talk about DV. I’m sick of being told it makes people uncomfortable. And I’m totally sick of so-called victims who say another woman wasn’t abused because it wasn’t identical to their experience. It’s time this stops!

      1 in 4 women is abused in her lifetime. That means you, your sister, your mother, your aunt, your cousin, your best friend, your daughter, the nice lady in the grocery store, the woman who takes your dry cleaning, the woman at work who seems depressed. Someone you know is living in hell. Someone in your neighbourhood is being abused right now as I write this and as you read it.

      4 women per day in the US alone are killed by their abusive partners. 4 lives that didn’t have to be lost.

      And what is “the movement” doing about it? Not much. Oh sure, there’s the domestic violence hotline you can call 24/7 and if you’re lucky, you get a decent person to talk to on there. And they’ll give you numbers to call. And when you call those numbers, they’ll give you more numbers. And when you call those numbers, they’ll give you even more numbers. Eventually, you get the same set of numbers you got the first time. No one can help you. The shelter is too full to take you. Or they can’t take your kids or your pets, and you’re afraid to leave without them, because they’re ALL you have. Someone will go to court with you to get a restraining order which is temporary and lasts a couple of weeks until you have to face your abuser at a hearing. In some places, they’ll give you a free lawyer for the hearing. But in many places, they won’t unless you are penniless.

      No one will help you move. No one will help you get divorced or deal with custody battles. You’ll be on your own for that. So, you’d better hope you have some money, but that’s highly unlikely since abusers control the money. And if you have kids, you’ll be dealing with that asshole every day of their lives until they turn 18, at least.

      The movement will get you free counseling in some places. In other places, they’ll let you come to a group with other survivors. But they won’t help you get a job or move or get a lawyer. They’ll tell you there’s no funding for that.

      The movement says “End domestic violence.” But it won’t end. It’s been going on since time immemorial, just like prostitution and various religious beliefs. It would be easier to end the latter than the former.

      What we have to do is TALK about it. What we have to do is educate our little girls about it and tell them what to look for, and our little boys too, because gays experience domestic violence too. What we have to do is give them self esteem. As fathers, we can’t call their mothers or other women fat. As mothers, we can’t call ourselves fat or talk about our wrinkles.

      Yes, your kids will eventually have sex and you don’t want them to and you don’t want to hear about it. But it’s time to talk to them about it. It’s time to not make them feel ashamed about it. It’s time to not berate them about it. It’s time to TALK about everything with them and give them the right to talk to you about everything. If they get pregnant, don’t berate them for screwing up their lives and yours. Don’t force them to marry. Plenty of single mothers do just fine in this society and are more successful than ever.

      Domestic violence is NOT a dirty word. Talk about it. Talk about it. Talk about it. I know you don’t want to believe it can happen to you or anyone you know. I know you want to believe it’s because of drugs, booze and only happens to celebrities and those who live in trailer parks. That’s what I thought too. I didn’t think it could happen to me. I didn’t believe it WAS happening to me. I didn’t understand that he didn’t have to blacken my eyes and split my lips for it to be domestic violence. But it’s not true. It could happen to anyone (to quote Alyce). No one is exempt from it. Even if you’re happily married now, you could get divorced or your spouse could pass away, and you might just date again.

      1 out of every 4 women you saw today is now or has been abused. We don’t have statistics for men. But just think about that. How many women did you see today? How many of them have secrets they’re ashamed of?

      Stop judging. It’s not a victim’s fault. By the time they realize what they’re in, it’s amazingly difficult to get out. Why? Because they’re not aware of the red flags. Research them. Look them up. Watch for them in those you know and care about. Think about the woman at work who seems to have a few too many bruises or cuts and calls herself “clumsy” or who shakes and shivers when her boyfriend/husband comes to pick her up or calls while she’s out to lunch. When you’re getting your nails done, think about the woman next to you who seems upset because it’s taking 2 minutes too long for her nails to dry. Think about your friend who changed after she got together with that great charming guy.

      Think and TALK. Then talk some more. Let’s get it out in the open. That’s the only way we’re going to change anything.

      I’ll get off my soap box now. Sorry!

      • Also-
        You stay on that soap box! What you say needs to be heard. The statistics are staggering to say the least. God Bless Jodi, she wasn’t the statistic of a woman being killed. However, it just goes to show that women can’t win in our society. If they defend themselves and make it out alive, the State will try to kill you. SAD, DIGUSTING, HEARTBREAKING!

      • so well put. thank you! it truly blows my mind that women say jodi wasn’t abused and are actually out to vilify alyce laviolette for testifying for jodi. shame on them! to all the arizona DV experts who wouldn’t help jodi, well shame on them more! women fearing not being believed is a huge road block to getting help. there are abused women at home watching this trial fearing they also wont be believed if they try to get help. i hope they really listen to jodi and alyce and take from their strength. i pray for a full acquittal. get back on your soap box anytime!

  29. Hmm..,,,,,,Seems to me I now understand. Given TA’s behavior I do not think TA really knew who slashed his tires. He blamed Jodi in public because he could get away with it She was an easy target to blame for all his troubles.

    • Did any of his so alled friends or his then girlfriend(Lisa,was it?)actually SEE the slashed tires?If not,I absolutely refuse to take TA’s word for it!! He was a master manipulator,a big fat lier and a disgrace to the male gender!

      • It could’ve been any of the other 10 girls, who knows? ?? And the ltr too! Who knows???! He was involved with 11 woman that we know of and some were married or had boyfriends. TA was playing a scary game. Some might thk its ok cuz he was single but no not 10 or so girls. Thats where you cross the line and start messing with people’s lives!!!

        • Or it could have been TRAVIS himself ? a master at his game of playing with people. You see what prize did he get ? Lisa was so scared he asked him to stay the NIGHT with her? yes the email an the slashed tires he may have got a prize but we don’t know. I do think he would be that strange to do that an then say OMG JODI did it ! see I told everyone she is crazy. He was bashing her right an left there in Mesa after an before she moved so all those Mormon’s would HATE her an the PPL friends too. An it worked they all came out one after another saying the same things all LIES spread by Travis. Also I think Jodi kept that recording because someone told her to cover her ass because they seen what Travis was doing. A Saintly Man not hardly. Down right dirty an sneaky 2 faced LIAR.

          The thing that amazes me most though is all these people coming out an saying OH TRAVIS was dumping her she was obsessed with him. Really why is it that this OBSESSED NUT CASE is on his MY SPACE in the number one spot ? No one does that back then that was a big deal for that age group to have the TOP FRIENDS in that box in order. AN then on Jodi’s he is not even in hers? on her other account he is number 10 ? that tells me a lot.

  30. I haven’t been watching the trial live for about a week. I watch truTV to get a recap because I love my television and don’t want to throw things at the HLN “journalists”.
    I grew up in an environment with a father who yelled like JM cross examines ppl. When he starts in I freeze up and get sick to my stomach. Thank goodness we have an expert familiar with his tactics. She can stand up to him in a way Jodi couldn’t and call him out on his excessively aggresive behavior. If TA acted like this towards Jodi the day he died, she shouldn’t have stopped with one bullet.

    • Yes, Sandra, I agree with you. I cringe when he starts badgering the witnesses. I was so proud of her yesterday. She is setting a good example in how to address abusive comments. I’m glad they posted her comments here because I still need to practice and I’m 60 yr.old. here is a reporter at the trial who shares our sentiments but only reports the facts… http://www.azcentral.com/community/mesa/articles/20130404jodi-arias-trial-fairy-tales-topic-discussion.html
      His tweets were hilarious yesterday following the insanity in the courtroom.

    • ALV stood her ground yesterday being kinda like a spokesperson for all abused women out there,(I’m not saying that she herself was an abused woman,no info on that),proving that demanding to be treated and talked to with respect and as an equal is a basic human right that shouldnt be viewed as luxury but as a prerequisite for all basic human communication and relationships.We can only be proud of and obliged to her!!

  31. Another thing I thought of was Jodi did not even tell the pedophile story, He had a lot of stress and AL stated that she saw the reason for escalating violence was the fact that Jodi was leaving. Jodi COULD have left it out but she told the truth.

  32. Al, I don’t want AL’s Snow White seminar tape played in court. IMO let JM proceed on…maybe we find when Snow White dyed her hair black. 🙂

    • Ann,

      Me neither. I think they should just let it be. Let JM rant and rave. He is, like Shakespeare said,

      “a poor player that struts and frets his hour upon the stage and then is heard no more: it is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.”

      And to think I griped like crazy having to read Macbeth, lo these 40 years ago. Never thought I’d get to use it.

      • In retrospect Renee says it a tad better in the contemporary

        “he is a stupid fucking prick who doesn’t deserve to have a license”

        LMAO

  33. I just had an A-HA moment. It’s obvious Mtz is working really hard breaking all the rules in the court. He knows Jodi is innocent and he’s just giving us a show. Deep down he knows the real killers and once this trial is over, the DA will go after them. There’s a reason Mtz puts this show every single day with every single witness. Have any of you thought this?

    • I go back and forth between he is a stupid fucking prick who doesn’t deserve to have a license, o thinking he is deliberately is throwing this case.

      Is he Mormon?

    • Under most circumstances it is really a bad idea to try someone who is innocent for a crime. Not just from the ethical, moral and legal standards, but for a tactical reason as well.

      Every argument the prosecutor puts up for the first defendant, to prove that he or she is innocent, can the be used by the attorney for the second defendant to prove that reasonable doubt exists.

      So in this case, every piece of evidence put up by JM about Jodi gets used in the trial of the next bunch to show that there is probable cause to show that Jodi did it, and hence reasonable doubt that their client did it. Since the defense does not have to prove that their client is innocent, they just have to raise reasonble doubt, and that being a lower burden of proof allows them to enter in the first trial’s BS.

      • Yep, that’s my worry too. He’s setting legal precedents that we do NOT need.

        On top of that, imagine if you’re ever falsely accused of a crime, and you need an expert witness, but somehow, your case becomes high profile. How in hell are you going to get one? Who wants to go through what Dr. Samuels did? Who wants to go through what Alyce LaViolette is going through? Who wants to go through what the experts in the CA case did? How can ANYONE get a fair trial if the media gets involved?

        • the thing is, that no expert should have to suffer this kind of abuse from any prosecutor. The judge should have put a stop to it immediately. I thought all attorneys were supposed to ask permission from the judge first before treating anyone as a hostile witness? None of the people JM interrogated acted as such. They all tried answering his questions to the best of their ability. Why was he allowed to bully every single one of them? WTF!?

  35. Perfect! It does my heart good to know Jodi has supporters and people who see through all the malarkey going on in the courtroom. I was so outraged with juan’s battering of the witness yesterday, I stopped following hln and stopped watching the channel. Maybe the judge is allowing the delusional questioning from juan because she thinks Jodi should walk too. After what I saw and experienced yesterday watching the obscenities allowed by the judge, I figured she wants the jury to see just how wrong the state is prosecuting Jodi to begin with. Can you imagine him married or worse having children???
    Then we have the juror who is acting like a martyr but sitting in front of cameras all day and worse having to escorted out by sheriffs. WOW…a little self-importance there…
    Honestly there was a day when I contemplated moving the AZ…so glad I didn’t.
    I am saying a rosary a day for Jodi and her defense team.
    Really, juan has a Napoleon Complex. If there is just one juror that experiences the badgering, stupidity, abusive, ignorant malarkey coming out his mouth…Jodi will walk.

    • Amen. That #5 initially did the right thing stating to leave her alone until trial over. Then she not only shows UP, she gives a brief interview while driving away stating she will talk once she speaks to her “legal advisers” aka “agent.

      Shameful Media Whore.

      Glad she is off the jury.

      • I know I had some amount of respect for her when she said she would not talk about this case and tell her side of it until the trial was over, She wanted privacy for her family. I thought great until she came back to sit there to watch it. WTH. I would be too ashamed to show myself on tv but there she is sitting in the courtroom. This trial just gets more bizarre everyday and then it just tops itself. You truly could not make this up.

        • There were “tells” in her statement. I saw them immediately, but kept my mouth shut in case I was wrong:

          “For the past three months I have been fulfilling my duty as one of the jurors in the case of Jodi Arias. Jodi Arias’ attorneys have filed a motion asking for a mistrial or that Juror 5 is removed from the jury, which led to my removal.”

          Sour grapes there. Jodi’s attorneys led to her removal. How dare they when she was fulfilling her duty? Problem is, she DIDN’T fulfill her duty. And it was the Judge who removed her after polling the jurors.

          “I would like to remind everyone that the murder trial case of Jodi Arias is still going on and that the time and money being invested in this trial are more relevant and important than my removal from the jury.”

          Time and money are more relevant than me, and LOTS is being spent. Ummmmmmmm

          “In the past few days I have been a part of discussion and interest in the murder trial case of Jodi Arias…. Until the verdict in murder trial case of Jodi Arias is reached …”

          Murder trial??? Not just trial, but MURDER trial. Um lady, if it’s self defense, it’s not MURDER.

          • Great points AlsoAbused.
            Thanks for making them clear.

            If there was doubt, it certainly helps one see who she favored I do believe.

  36. There once was a little man
    Who decided to play in court
    He put on a show for all to see
    His bullshit would not be bought

    He raised his voice he flailed his arms
    He even threw the evidence camera
    Most watched with laughter while shaking their heads
    The truth was not what this court was after

    Although she held her head high
    Poor JA had to sit there
    And listen to the temper tantrums
    And how the judge was so unfair

    Little man is obnoxious
    Arrogant, petty and rude
    When it comes to JA
    Little man has no clue

    Snow white has now been grayed
    With words he tried to debase
    AL was phenomenal
    The picture of decorum and grace

    Little man showed his true self
    A small man with a law degree
    Mr. Prosecutor did anyone ask you…
    Do you have a problem with memory??

    Appeal Appeal will be shouted
    If an acquittal is not won
    Little man will get his comeuppence
    When this farce of a trial is done

    So JA rest assured
    This like all time shall pass
    We are here for you forever
    Travis-taliban can kiss our ASS!

    🙂

  37. THIS morning i watched part of a replay of an old perry mason episode “the case of the prodigal parent”, in which the fictional district attorney, hamilton burger, stated during the trial,

    “your honor the district attorney’s office functions to determine the truth and prosecute the guilty”

    THIS is an excellent summary of an ethical prosecutor.

    ALL of JM’s malicious, and vindictive, actions are designed to HIDE the TRUTH from the jury, and as such are the antithesis of an ethical prosecutor.

    IF anyone’s interested, this summary of an ethical prosecutor’s duty, starts at 46:55 into the 52:05 episode
    http://www.tv.com/shows/perry-mason/the-case-of-the-prodigal-parent-79424/

    • Thanks Pitchforks. But why did you not elaborate on the fact that (a) she’d been seeing Travis for about 2 years and (b) she’d been different (to her parents and friends) during those 2 years. Doesn’t that ring a bell for you?

  39. I gotta tell you, if I was on the jury, I would vote innocent just due to the ignorance of ‘Juan” or as I like to call him, ‘Whine.” Every question he asks makes me think he is hiding something. He is the absolute worst prosecutor I have ever seen. He comes across as an idiot and why anyone would think he was some kind of folk hero and want his autograph is way beyond me. Are people that stupid?

    Also, a comment on HLN. I thought it was a news station. They are so one sided it is almost comical. Many times, these hack on air personalities, (including Nancy Gross), actually appear to be a SNL skit. This Jane Velez joker reminds me of watching a third grade play where a ten year old is playing TV personality. Wait, that is an insult to ten year olds. I have to go to the trouble of DVRing the trial just so I don’t have to watch these absolutely horrendous announcers.

    Juan and the HLN crew obviously rode the short bus to school.

    • Yeah its horrible, this is what jodi has to go against! !! Judge shouldve requested the jury and banned the media from her courtroom. This trial would’ve been a lot different/ FAIR!!!

    • That’s what my fiance said last night after watching JM’s cross with me. He said if he was on that jury, he’d vote to acquit just to piss off the prosecutor!

  40. Hey does anyone know for sure that Jodi arias grandparents reported a .25 caliber, or was it a .22 like the father said in interview….do we know for sure that’s what they reported? Just wondering….if it was a .25 it doesn’t really matter bc a) she cld have stolen it for Travis, he cld have asked her for one or b) she cld have had it in her overnight bag, bc of the road trip(I def wld not ask my grandparents to borrow their gun) lol either way, I just want to know if that’s a fact, or, did they change that story like they changed the initial autopsy report….

    • From the other Ann: I would assume they check the police report that was filed in Yreka. I have no information regarding that report

    • The police report says 25 caliber, which is the same as the cartridge case found at TAs.

    • Haha I didn’t know there was another Ann. I’ll change mine to Ann1020 🙂 and thank you. I was just wondering 🙂

  42. I’m curious why did ALV approached one of the sisters yesterday? Is that allowed?

    • ??? I didn’t see that. That is weird, what could they possibly be talking about? Not jodi or TA!!! I know shes a well known likable expert but talking like that in court? Hhmmmm maybe, the sister would do the right thing and post a comment on the state vs jodi arias site to tell the hater not to take the anger out on the experts and to lv there careers alone. If she talks to her like that, that’d be a nice thing to do.

      • I think that was being spread around the hater sites. I didn’t see that in the “after court” video. I only saw her hug Nurmi, which was adorable. He’s such a sweet man.

      • I read it elsewhere, not on a hater site. That ALV approached Samantha on the break?

        With all the other craziness that goes on, I thought I’d ask.

  43. There once was a prosecutor named Juan,
    Whose courtroom antics were a yawn,
    He kicked and he screamed,
    To no avail it seemed,
    No muscles, no brains, no brawn.

    • Awesome, but you forgot one: no balls — pity that didn’t rhyme in there.

      • He spent his time in the halls,
        Pity, he didn’t have balls,
        He tried to confuse,
        It was such a ruse,
        So he went home and played with his dolls.

  44. WTF? From the TA site:

    If each of us (33,072 fans at this moment) donated $20.00 (a very small amount I am asking) a month, the Alexander’s would receive over $650,000 a month – this would stop ONE burden they have to deal with. The expense of this trial, the expense of loss wages is beyond anything any one of use can imagine.

    PLEASE fans, if you can’t afford $20.00 a month send $5.00, every dollar will keep them out of debt and lessen some worries they are dealing with. My donation was sent and I hope each of you give with Love.

    God Bless the Alexander’s – Justice for Travis

    —————————–
    again, WTF????????????????????????????????

      • Oh wow, that blows me away!!! Who is it from? A “fan” or themselves? ??
        Gggeeezzzzz what’d they want to get rich? ?!!! And they’re FANS, not SUPPORTERS. LOL that right there said a lot, huh!

        • Are you freaking kidding me? Why can’t these people go back to their jobs? They don’t ALL have to be in the courtroom every week. One at a time would do.

          • Exactly! !! The Arias family aren’t all there because they cant afford and you dont see them asking for $20 from 30, 000 FANS!!! LOL

      • they are their ”fans”??? Fans of what??What did the Alexander family do to have fans?Last time I checked people get fans when they do sth that inspires or entertains other people.Are the Alexanders actors,singers,scientists,poets???WTF?
        Plus,ok I can understand why his sisters and brother would want to be there,but HEY!Does his brother-in-law have to be there?If he’s the balls of his family he should get his lazy a** up and go to work,to support his family instead of being there every single day while asking for money!

        • Oh believe me the Mormon’s are helping them they have no worries already seen the church posts out there on FB. That is one good thing about that Church it is very wealthy an they do pitch in an help out each other in desperate times.

    • Ummm, is that legal? I mean how do they know the money is going to the Alexanders? And why do the Alexanders need money? Are they all in dire financial straits like TA was? They don’t know how to manage their money???

      This can’t be legal…can it? Wow!

      • C’mmon guys,

        So they wanna raise money for the Alexanders.

        1. Nothing wrong with that.
        2. Yes they too have expenses not of their making.
        3. As much as a dick as he was, he was still their brother.

        Let it be.

  45. They character assassinated LaViolette with amazon.com reviews. Please let’s all go there and report the reviews. This is such a shame!

    • did that. I also had left a positive review and have been slaughtered for doing so. I emailed Amazon and they emailed back this:

      I’ve read the reviews on “It Could Happen to Anyone – Why Battered Women Stay (2nd, 00) by LaViolette, Alyce D – Barnett, Ola W” and I understand your concerns. In their current format, the reviews don’t violate our posted guidelines. You can provide feedback about these reviews by voting or commenting on them. To vote, click the “Yes” or “No” buttons next to “Was this review helpful to you?”To comment, click the Comments link at the bottom of the review.

      We try to encourage our customers to give their honest opinions on our products while staying within our guidelines. Here’s a link to our guidelines for reference:

      http://www.amazon.com/review-guidelines/

      If you’d like to leave your own review expressing your opinions, click the link to “Create your own review” in the Customer Reviews section of the detail page.

      We hope to see you again soon.

      Best regards,
      MarlonM

      ———————-
      so essentially, they do not abide by their own rules, and have turned that site into a public assassination forum.

      I am done with Amazon.

      • How crazy! I looked at the book a couple of days ago (when Alyce started witnessing) and it had a 4 1/2 -star rating (and 14 reviews or so). Now it is down to 1 star, with over 300 reviews. I’m sure almost none of them have actually read the book (it’s sold out anyway right now).

        I think if A LOT of people start reporting these reviews as abusive, maybe they’ll change their mind and do something about it. But at least we should give them some grief for not doing so!

        • Notice none of those bad reviews are Amazon Verified Buyers. I went through about 8 pages and found none were buyers. I reported feedback on a lot of them, and clicked on the not helpful button as well. I am going to purchase the book and the Amazon Verified Buyer will be under my username in the review. Most Amazon book buyers know what that means. At that time I can comment about the other reviews as a verified buyer. I think it best to wait a bit and see if the haters reviews have stopped and at that time buy and write a review. Most current reviews will be posted. Our voices can still be heard, and probably louder, since it’s a legit review. I plan on sorting the pepper from the flyshit in the review.

          • Btw, when I say sort the pepper from the flyshit I mean let it be known, in case someone doesn’t notice reading the reviews, that none of those bad reviewers actually purchased the book!! Crazy stuff out there going on.

        • I know see that means they have at least 250 people that will get out there an harass for Travis. ON Amazon an U Tube an FB an a lot of BLOGS. Very few people every get a word in with them that are for Jodi. Which either everyone is scared ? seriously I am not scared I live in the country an no one is going to come here an do anything to me. But I do put my opinion out there an I do send the ones I find as Harassment in as so.

      • From Amazon Guidelines:

        “What’s not allowed
        Amazon is pleased to provide this forum for you to share your opinions on products. While we appreciate your time and comments, we limit customer participation to one review per product and reserve the right to remove reviews that include any of the following:

        Objectionable material:
        • Obscene or distasteful content
        • Profanity or spiteful remarks
        • Promotion of illegal or immoral conduct
        ”
        I think that the coordinated effort of the reviewers in the past few days in tampering with and in attempting to intimidate a current witness in an on-going trial falls under Amazon’s “promotion of illegal conduct.”

  46. Goodmorning all, and thank you so much SJ for your daily posts, I love that you say it how it is and that we can too, NO BULLSHIT HERE!!!

    This trial has gotten way out of hand and with the help of the media. The judge has completely lost her courtroom. At first I wasnt too fond of her, now im starting to feel a little bad. Cell phones ringing, eating, chewing gum, ALOT of eye rolling, nasty smirks, sucking and smacking teath, and now the whole courtroom laughing out loud (as if the prosecutors pants fell down to his knees). Dont get me wrong, I would’ve been laughing the loudest and what a perfect time to throw the rotten egg at him). ALV asked something like, “are you angry with me Mr Martinez?” (Oh by the way did he even answer that)? Lol no, he then went on a quarrel, bouncing and jumping around like “ANGRY BIRDS”, bickering about if it’d make a difference if he was or if he wasnt, (forgetting what the original question was).

    So cross has JUST started, lets take notes from Mrs Laviolettes’ expertise (free of charge) on “How to Deal With an Angry Bully or an Abusive Person”
    Lesson #1) When faced with an “Angry Bird” yelling at you, jumping and bouncing of the walls, wait until they’re done but do NOT let it go on, do NOT let him think it is ok by letting him go on, just stay calm and in a normal tone of voice, simply ask, “are you angry/upset/mad at me?” Do NOT back down, do NOT show fear or intimidation, do as ALV handled the 1st lesson with Mr SuckStar.

    She did great, cant wait to see what else she has to use to tame him down a bit. But the judge, she’s gotta do something about the media and her jurors.

  47. After yesterday’s show of shows I had to step back and think about what happened. Juror 5 looks nuts to me, believe me, I know the look of nuts, I’m certainly not making fun of mental illness, but WTF. It certainly takes a lot of balls to appear, have to wonder what she said to the judge for this to happen, sure hope we find out, it makes no sense at all. The Fairy Tale crap backfired big time, at least to people that can think. He is so playing to the camera and his groupies I almost felt embarrassed for him, but I don’t. I’ve watched a lot of trials, but the laughing from the gallery was so funny, none of this is funny, but at the same time I couldn’t stop laughing at the back and forth, and watching expressions. Some of the expressions were priceless. There has to be some on the jury that found his treatment towards a woman appalling, his groupies are cheering, and I’ll bet there will be more treats coming, move over M&M’s next there will be a big cake with Martinez’s face on it.

    • What are they cheering about??? He made an ass out of himself yesterday. Matter if fact he’s been making an ass of himself; getting called out by Nurmi (he shouldve been embarrassed). Doesnt he have friends, family, kids, someone that truly knows and likes him, to tell him to STOP?!

      • I’m very aware of these kind of people and their hatred. Been lurking on crime sites for a very long time, and it doesn’t take much to get the crowd roaring. They will do whatever it takes, boycotting things, writing abusive reviews of books, whatever it takes to prove they are right. I’m not surprised anymore by this activity, the worst so far has been Natalie Holloway (this one some will never let go), Casey Anthony and now this, but really way more in between these. They are the best Christians, best parents, best everything in their eyes. Shocking when there is a child missing and ends up being murdered, the parent should have done this or that, granted their are some parents that don’t give a rat’s ass, but a lot of parents do, and the treatment some of these self righteous folks give is disturbing. No thought that by writing some of the things they do, they are hurting people’s lives and reputations, but what would they care? Every high profile case they crawl out of the rock they have been living under, and start their crap. No thought to evidence, they have picked Jodi, or whoever, and they have at the person. These are the type that would have no problem stoning a person to death.

        • Wow, I knew it went on during the Casey Anthony trial, but I didn’t realize they always did this. What a bunch of LOSERS!

          Could you even imagine if Janeen Demarte had a book, us going on Amazon to blast her after she testifies? I mean, seriously. That’s plain rabid.

        • They also remind me of the witch hunters who followed the trials of teachers who were accused of molesting small children in school in the 80’s-90’s? that escalated from one toddler testimony to another to another. It seemed it had all started with one teacher accused by one child of having slapped him (not a good thing if true,) but the mother started complaining about sexual abuse and it spiraled out with the prosecution hiring ‘experts’ with dolls interviewing all the children who went on and on about how the teachers were in league with aliens and satanists and stuffed bananas you-know-where. Several teachers got life on the testimonies alone. Hysterical parents and their children screaming outside the courtrooms, just like the ‘fans’ of Travis.

    • I agree # 5 has to be a kook to show up there! She did appear to look disturbed. Perhaps she will show up with new hair color next week.

  49. If JM’s brain were made out of chocolate…it wouldn’t be enough to fill an M&M.

    The same can be said for these “fans” that are begging for money…WTF is an UNDERSTATEMENT!

    Renee you crack me up!!!! LOL LOL LOL

    • I mean, really??? WTF? Now they are “fans” of an asshole they never knew, and are so fucking obsessed with Jodi that they can’t stop posting and looking and commenting on her (in their words) “holes”

      And now they want to give the Alexanders SIX-HUNDRED AND FIFTY THOUSAND DOLLARS A MONTH?!?!?!?!?! They are on crack. I am one of those 33,000 supposed “fans” of their freaky site. But ONLY so I can lurk and try to help save disaster of this mockery of a trial. I am CERTAIN it is about the same 20 fans that repeatedly post and spew the hate. Also, I am thinking they are buying their “likes”

      fucktards, to say the least.

      Damn, I am so proud of me today, I have accomplished writing 3 papers for school. This trial is taking over my life.

        • I am just at a loss…. what the fuck is happening to our country, Tony? They try to spew lies that they cancelled Alyce’s speaking engagement due to the backlash– um, NOPE

          I emailed the dude and he told me that SHE cancelled it.

          Probably because I sent a screen shot to JW with a threat enticing people to show up and throw things at her….I wanted to warn her…

          Thankfully, because Ms. LaViolette is not real tech savy, she wont see much of the hate.

          • Renee, do you think they really canceled it because of whats going on????? Omg thats so sad!!!

            • I emailed Rick. I got this response:

              The reason IS NOT backlash. She just needs some time off, period. We have a very competent person who
              is taking her place to teach the class, Saturday.

              Rick Kenworthy, PsyD ABD
              ABIP Communications Director
              PHONE: (626) 316-4100
              FAX: (626) 968-4565
              http://www.abips.com

          • Thanks Renee…you are an earth angel for helping Alyce…

            I feel that Alyce needs some kind of protection until this trial is over…

            Surely there is enough evidence from reading the hateful comments on Amazon and on all of the haters sites…the police can read many threats that have been made toward Alyce…can’t the police find who these people are by their IP addresses?

            • Hopefully. And I hope they most certainly WILL! I have a personal stake in having the Travistown Loonies locked up for their misdeeds at this point and I hope all of them get thrown in the slammer!!!

      • I bet your right too on that I seen that site on FB you can buy 1000 likes for 10 dollars haha that is the stupidest thing ever. An I thought why would anyone do that but now I know why. WOW people are stooping further an further down in DUMB DUMB LAND.

  50. Nobody says they have to be there!!! The expense of loss wages…should be LOST wages – and LOST is exactly where these “fans” are…they CHOOSE to sit their asses in court every day. They could watch what happens just like the rest of America – online or on tv. GMAFB!!!

  51. I’m sorry – if I was kicked off the jury for JUROR MISCONDUCT I would be MORTIFIED to show my face anywhere near that courthouse. I would hide myself – I wouldn’t SIT there like nothing happened.

    Just the fact that Cyndi Lauper showed up basically standing defiant tells me she has a morbid curiosity about this trial OR she is there to influence the proceedings. Either way – she should book an appointment with a mental health practitioner…

      • Even if she is indeed writing a book,she could just watch it at home you know.There’s sth more than meets the eye in her decision to attend court.Maybe she is just plain stupid!

    • I agree ? why is she not at home watching. Maybe she thinks she will get a movie deal if they show her enough on the tv because they sure do show here now a LOT. Disgusting to me but people are freaking weird. I truly would love to know what she said. An if other jurors ratted her out ? why would she feel compelled to sit there? I don’t get it has to be to piss of the Jury an the defense.

    • juror 5 ” I need to get home first and talk to my legal advisers.” ….so maybe the legal adviser advised her it was ok for her to return to the courtroom to finish watching the trial…hmmm…

      Just her presence in the courtroom Thursday, created a non-verbal visual enigma for the minds of the jurors, the courtroom, the Arias family, the Alexander family, the attorney’s, the television viewing audience, and the news media held them captivated with a constant thinking, “Why?”

  52. Why Juan Martinez is like Tom Cruise…

    1. They are both 4′ 2″ tall a (both also have a picture of Napoleon over their fireplace)
    2. They both absolutely hate women
    3. Neither can act but both feel they can
    4. Scientology and ‘Juan Philosophy’ are about the same thing – just as crazy
    5. They both jump up and down, throw fits and act like idiots
    6. Both would come in first in a stupid contest

  53. What was Juan trying to convince the Jury of yesterday? That Jodi Arias is Snow White? Well, personally, I believe that to be true. And, there’s not a jury on earth that would convict Snow White. Thanks for trying to help Jodi out yesterday, Juan. 🙂

    • So weird, I felt the same way! That if JM continued with this snow white thing, he might actually inadvertently help the defendant. If Alyce and / or the defense take the weekend to study some aspects of this stupid fairy tale line of questioning, they may be able to turn it around on the little dumb-arse.
      Gawd, he is so damn DUMB I can’t even take it anymore!

      • I’m hoping the jurors are saying … but but but Snow White isn’t on trial!!!!

  55. Hey, team Jodi, thanks for taking down the MT time stamp for start of trial yesterday. I feel like a nut how much that was bugging me…but I live in the Rockies & I didn’t want to be connected to AZ because I’m so disgusted with this trial! (Sorry to anyone here who does live in AZ)

    Also, of course, thanks so much for this site! You guys are doing a fantastic job!!!!

  56. To save my sanity and to stop my blood oressure from spiking, I stopped weeks ago watching Botoxed Betty, aka NG, that manic face-pulling buffoon, Vinne P, as well as that famewhore Pinsky….but I made the mistake of reading the Comments section of the “Radaronline.com” article cited here. The following comment summarizes the overwhelming opinion of the miscreant posters:

    “He’s right out of a movie. Best prosecutor I’ve ever seen in real life and offscreen.
    Dude is SHARP and quick. SHA-ZAAM! BADDA-BOOM!
    And, yes, awesome that the jury gets to mull on “Snow White” fairytales and Laviolette’s testiphony ALL WEEKEND.
    Pardon my exuberance, just watched yesterday’s proceedings on the youboobs.
    After this trial, we must find a way to honor Mr Martinez. A parade or something, a trophy, medals, whatever. I kinda kid, but I’m seriously thankful to see someone advocating justice in such a passionate way.
    VIVA MARTINEZ!”

    Never shall I read comments on this case other than here. Not worth the nausea, BP rise and accompanying headache!

    • I’m so sorry, PJ. I know better than to read comments when I look at those articles. Nonetheless, I should have posted a warning!

      Still, I just loved your characterization of the 3 Little Piggies on HLN.

    • Yes my blood pressure goes up and my IQ goes down when I read comment from anywhere but on this site. I avoid their stupidity at all cost. Now they want to give him a parade or a medal. WTH I guess they are all living in Juanderland.

  57. You guys crack me up, love all the fairy tale comments. I think we should enjoy this weekend and smile to ourselves a little when thinking of yesterday. I fear a bad storm is heading our way next week. JM is going to try every to make AL look bad. We’ll prob hear a few rotten apples (names) flung at her.

  58. The hypocrisy. HLN spoke recently about how much this trial has cost taxpayers. (As if it’s Miss Arias’s fault)

    But what they don’t mention is that taxpayers paid for HLN’s Jean Casaurus to appear on the witness stand. Taxpayers paid for the other sealed hearings involving HLNs shenanigans, tax payers are also footing the bill to have an ousted juror escorted around and protected from the media. Because of all the media hype, she just can’t stay away from the courtroom, even though she’s no longer wanted there. Meanwhile, HLN is laughing all the way to bank. Big changes are coming.

    • chris11…totally agree…

      Let’s not forget that the prosecutor used up a lot of the tax payers money with the Snow White fairy tale…awesome…

  59. I started reading about the ‘Fallen Woman’ archetype in mythology & literature, and real life. I think this is very significant in how the majority of the vocal public is treating Jodi – I have always believed in looking to literature & movies as a way to better understand real life anomalies. I read that particularly during Victorian times, the public would find much glee in seeing prostitutes or everyday women who had taken ownership of their sexuality taken down, killed, ridiculed ostracized, etc.

    ‘Tess of the d’Urbervilles’ showed an example of a woman who didn’t make her own choice (she was raped), but the consequences & her treatment were the same.

    Pre-Raphaelite art is loaded with the ‘fallen woman’ theme, with some of it condemning the gals & some of it understanding them: http://www.victorianweb.org/painting/prb/hikim12.html

    Augustus Egg’s trio always hit me hard since I saw a great Victorians art expo many years ago:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Past_and_Present_(paintings) This middle class woman cheats on her husband & there is no chance of redemption for her after.

    Anyway, thinking about all this helps me see why there are so many haters out there, hating & condemning Jodi makes them feel so much better about themselves.

    • The sexual double standard is on blatant display here, not to mention all kinds of other sexist garbage.

      • Yeah, all kinds of crazy anthropology studies available in the microcosm of this trial & the public response to it. It’s like we are back in the Dark Ages.

  60. I would LOVE to know if any of the Juror were sharing in the laughter moment. Also, any significance to the rejected juror #5 sitting on the defense side? Or was that just lack of seat choices?

    • I think the other side is mostly for the family of TA and media. I think it was just lack of seat choice. Most observers sit on that side behind Jodi.

    • According to HLN, a few people on the “defendent’s” side of the courtroom laughed. Other news reports said the gallery laughed. I also heard someone say none of the jurors laughed but I think that was HLN also. I don’t believe a thing they say at this point. They certainly aren’t a news program.

    • I read on one of other sites for the prosecution that they have many people that sit in the courtroom each day…and it is reported that the majority of the people in the courtroom are for the prosecution…

      • The ones who laughed the most might have been from the press. I doubt that the die-hard ‘fans’ of Travis have any sense of humor except when it is trashing Jodi or ALV.

  62. People who love the JM are ignoring “TRUTH”.

    WOW, (THEY say) JM is so awesome in his “passion for justice”

    …but he has a passion for justice based without truth.

    Justice without truth is not real justice.

  63. Okay girls and boys, my friend just sent me this link and I just have to, have to, have to share it with you all. Now, I know that you’ve all been very very anxiously awaiting your own little place on the interwebs specifically made for you to drool over Kermit Fartinez and now, guess what? Such a place has been established … just for YOU! So get ready to join in the drooling.

    One drooler has already said: “He is just such a cute little sexy guy! He looks so small, especially when he stands next to Nurmi, in sidebars.” Shall we sing along with her to the tune of that old Divinyls’ song: “When I think about Juan, I touch myself.”

    http://mydeathspace.com/vb/showthread.php?26916-The-Martinez-Fan-Club-Thread!!!&p=3378251#post3378251

    DISCLAIMER: The above is dripping with sarcasm and I’m a Brit which means, well, I can’t help it. However, I sincerely apologize if I’ve made anyone puke! If so, please think happy thoughts, sing and whistle along with me and the rest of the dwarves: “No mo, no mo, on weekends there’s no Juanny show.” And this is where you start to whistle. Thank you boys and girls!

    • That was disgusting I should go an hate on there like they do on everything posted out there about Jodi or any witness but I will refrain as it is just too disgusting lol

      But then even the most disgusting people do have FANS so I guess I should not be surprised the haters have said we are like Charles Manson followers to me? which makes no sense at all to me but then their heads most definitely are up JM”S BUTT an he loves it haha

    • ”So Juan Martinez sex fantasies would go in this thread or the fan fiction thread?”
      SERIOUSLY???They have Kermit sex fantasies?? How sex deprived are they? Yikes,100 times yikes!!!

      • Wait for it .. now they’re having Nurmi fantasies … I needed a laugh, so checked back and guess what they said?

        “Is this going to turn into a thread with naked pictures of Nurmi eventually? Forget JM… Nurmi is bringing sexy back”

      • Oh God, a Kermit fanfiction thread. I should write a joke one about him and Flores to piss them off…LOL.

    • That. That… was the m-m-m-most, um, d-d-disturbing place ever. (O_O)

    • OMG!! I clicked on the link before I had my first coffee of the day…. not sure I could handle anything right now after seeing that!!

      Sex fantasies of JM??? That is not an image I want in my head…nope, not, never!! lol

  64. Do you think JM calling himself The Prosecutor, he is thinking it is cool like The Terminator? His stage name for his future stardom!! LOL 🙂

    Now Playing : Snow White and the 7 Dwarfs, and introducing the 8th dwarf Sleezy played by The Prosecutor!!

    • J M…he has nothing on this witness..she warns women about men like him..he`s what 4`1 at best he has a face like a azz hole with a nose..its comical to listen to him..he has no knowledge on how to rediect a witness..JODIS TEAM KEEP ON KEEPIN ON YOUR DOING A GREAT JOB…

    • ”Snow White and the Dwarf” -Florez and Martinez.
      After all,isnt Florez his bit**?Cleaning up all the dirty mess,serving him loyally just as Show White did for the dwarves?

  65. I hope the Jury remembers how JM’s attitude does very much change depending on who is sitting
    in the witness stand. As in Yes he is very condescending to a few of his own witness but not all.

    The ME he was decent too.

    Lisa

    an Mimi an the Hughes of course. I probably can go back an find more. But I am tired of hearing
    oh he is like that towards everyone that is just his way of prosecuting which is a LIE we have it
    on tape U TUBE to actually go back an see how he is very much INDIFFERENT an PREJUDICE
    he is not CONSISTENT in how he is a smart ass to ALL. Frankly I do not like him an would be embarrassed if he were my lawyer. I would much rather have a level headed prosecutor if I needed one.

    Go ALYCE GO ! you have all weekend to prepare for the DEVIL DANCING IN THE COURT ROOM. So weird how it feels like the Defense should be all in WHITE an the PROSECUTOR should be all in BLACK.

    • I don’t think he was decent to Lisa at all. Remember, that is the time when he showed the autopsy photo of Travis and upset her, Jodi, and Travis’s family in the process.

      • As in decent I mean the tone of his voice. That photo was a shocker but only meant for the JURY to be Shocked an it worked an the family too showed more remorse for the jury to see etc. But his tone of voice was so low key an entirely different not very sarcastic even when talking about a hard on erection etc. Yes that stunt just proves how low down he really is an needs the JURY to FEEL PITY for for the family not for Jodi.

    • BeeCee

      Don’t worry, it’s just David Lohr. The guy is about as biased as they come. A lot of those videos you see floating around are by this idiot.

      Another one of those CourtTV guys, same pedigree as NG et al.

      • yet,sth tells me that this is going to be JM’s reasoning on Monday.He already put it out there.That she can turn a children’s fairytale into an abused woman’s story.Not only is this a cheap shot,but also makes ALV look like some kind of an obsessed person,a maniac,seeing enemies(abusers/perpetrators)everywhere!!

      • LOL

        Thanks Al!

        I emailed him anyway. There should be fines for lying in the media by the writers.

      • David was against Casey too…and his hateful followers have followed him in this case too…

  67. I attended the afternoon court session yesterday. ALV approached TA’s sister Samantha right after the judge called the afternoon break. Not only is this wrong but it is also illegal. From what I understand Mr. Martines was made aware of this and asked to speak with the judge after court. The judge will probably just tell ALV to please not approach the family anymore.

      • She was probably just offering her condolences but it’s a huge no-no to approach the victims family at trial.

        • Well I am sure they will make a big ta do about if then. No way I would approach that group of people. I assume it was about the laughter though as everyone is whining about it was from the side behind the defense. Probably a apology she wasn’t meaning it too be funny she was serious JM was being a ARROGANT ASS ……………the spectators thought it was funny though an I did too but in court we have to be quiet. No eye rolling or loud coughing or shaking the head cell phones going off etc. an no laughing but it does happen daily I see.

        • It isn’t like traditional court procedures aren’t being violated all over the place anyway. Big deal. Maybe Samantha had a question for ALV earlier and she was answering it.

    • If she did it,I’m sure she meant no disrespect to the court rules but out of goodwill.

      • I agree maria. She was probably very sensitive to the family’s feelings. Their brother isn’t who they thought he was and hearing that under these circumstances has got to be tough. Plus, it was their childhood too, and who knows what scars this testimony is tearing at. It really hurts to hear the truth especially if they’ve been in denial. I think if it’s true that she approached them it’s because she’s a caring, sensitive woman.

        A few years ago, Jodi asked for a plea for this very reason. She didn’t want to hurt people by exposing who Travis really was.

        • I think that as well. A lot of abusers are closet abusers. Their closest friends and family have no idea what they are like. I imagine she counsels them as well, help them come to terms. Especially if they have family counseling sessions. She was probably being empathetic.

          Also, she knows they were abused during their childhood (like Travis was).

    • If that is true…Alyce should have known better…I would like to hear from her if she did that or not…and why if she did…

    • Oh they just keep digging themselves in deeper and deeper don’t they? Pathetic!

    • See how stupid they are?The woman who started the petition writes: ”….she named Travis Alexander as an abuser without ever having met him.” Have YOU met him?HOW CAN ALL OF YOU KNOW WHAT HE WAS?OR WASNT?????

        • Obviously many of his friends and his church didn’t know him either. But many DID.

      • Just an idea…our petition person should start a petition to send to the same people they are sending their petition to…. stating something about how none of us have ever met him…and you don’t have to meet someone to know someone…just asks the numerous people on the other end of the phone out there when you need help…

        Let’s not forget 911 operators that have saved the lives of countless people over the phone and they never met…but the operators can give you a good enough description of the person that they helped…

        And what about those hotlines for all kinds of help…many of those people on the other end can talk a person in not committing suicide and other things and they never met the person…

        So…I ask…Do we really need to meet the person to really know him?…I don’t think so…

    • OMG this is the most ignorant thing i have seen!! let me start by saying that TA’s incriminated himself several times in several incidences BASED ON TEXTS, EMAIL, and JOURNALS, HIS own words is how AL based her opinion!! HIS words that show HIM being a belligerent jerk and harassing Jodi for HOURS at a time AND Jodi desperately trying to defuse the situation, AND on MORE then one occasion!! AL made her opinion based by the REALITY and ACTIONS of TA’s OWN WORDS!! CANT GET ANY MORE REAL THEN THAT!!
      Jodi may have lied to police and to everyone in the begining but it does not even TOP the scale of lies and “fairy tale” stories that the “TA TEAM” comes up with on a daily basis!!
      lets talk about evidence for instance!! TEAM TA insists that Jodi was obsessed with TA and that basically she was a “FATAL ATTRACTION STALKER”……RIGHT? WHERE IS THE EVIDENCE ON THAT?? They say she was JEALOUS?? where is that EVIDENCE?? THEY say TA wanted her OUT of his life!! AGAIN….WHERE is the EVIDENCE that supports THAT??? THINK ABOUT IT……. NOT one journal, NOT one email or even one text, that i HAVE yet to read or hear about that has TA telling jodi or anyone else that JODI is a stalker, or that Jodi has harassed TA in any way shape or form!! I have yet to hear them read anything that says that Jodi was even obsessed with TA!!
      BUT there is overwhelming EVIDENCE showing TA living a DOUBLE LIFE, showing TA being VERBALLY and MENTALLY ABUSIVE, basically ADMITTING PHYSICAL ABUSE, PROVING TA was the HARASSER, and DEFINITELY proving that anyone who CLAIMS to know TA….DOES NOT even come close to KNOWING the REAL TA!! I can go ON AND ON!!
      BASICALLY I AM STRESSING THE POINT THAT JM and THE “TA TEAM” HAVE IGNORED THE JOURNALS AND THE TEXTS AND THE EMAILS THAT TELL A VERY REAL AND CONTROLLING STORY ABOUT A SHALLOW CONTROLLING DOUBLE LIFE ABUSER AND A YOUNG PRETTY NAIVE VICTIM!!….AND for team TA to start a petition on AL because she relied on FACTS not HEAR SAY…..shows how IGNORANT and SHALLOW they ALL ARE!!
      JODI HOLD YOUR HEAD UP AND KNOW THAT YOU HAVE FRIENDS FAMILY AND EVEN STRANGERS ROOTING FOR YOU!!

      • I completely agree! I am sure there are several people that knew TA that are totally shocked!

      • All of those siblings have crawled out of that hell hole that their drug abusive parents put them in when they were little kids…and it looks as though they have moved on and past that pile of crack they previously lived in…and with their heads held high…staying in denial would be safe territory when avoiding the truth of anything bad or negative about Travis…

        I feel that some of the things that’s been said in court that Travis was emotional and physical abusive to Jodi…has in some way resonated feelings with the siblings (observed when tv camera zoomed into their faces for reaction from time to time)…so for them to stay in denial is a safe way to keep them from having to look deep within themselves for any comparison of Travis’s behavior to their own…

    • How do idiots like that become idiots like that? Like that other petition that wanted to change the law so that devious, manipulative, and abusive people who happened to be killed like Travis are never found out to be devious, manipulative, and abusive and undermine a defendant’s right to a fair trial as a result. Even if the murder victim himself through HIS OWN WORDS proves he was devious, manipulative, and abusive.

    • hmmmm have to start a petition against that petition I Think I do not see anywhere to report it or do anything about it ?

      Bunch of crap someone from Oklahoma starting it ?

      • I think I will send in a REQUEST an tell them that is HARASSMENT nothing else but that. Everyone has the right to free speech but badgering an trying to damage someone because of a trial is wrong I think anyways.

        This is one reason some people will not stand up to or for people they are afraid of the consequences they see the hate mob on the internet on tv on the radio. It will be so bad some day you will not find witness’s anywhere well it is close to that now no one wants to get involved disgusting.

        • I have made the request an I thank all who responded.I have soooooo had it with this “mob” and their hateful and very disturbing behavior.

          • Michele-
            I think we have all had enough of the crazy mob. Unfortunately, we will never be rid of them. Since the beginning of time, there has always been a segment of the population that is severely Mentally ill, Characterologically disordered, and just plain evil. The age we live in now, gives those people the opportunity to infiltrate everyone’s lives to some extent via the internet. They have always been there, but the average everyday person did not necessarily come in contact with them the way we do now. I am still hopeful that they are a small minority of the population, but I do think the numbers are growing. There are few mental health services available to assist people and fewer still to keep tabs on the dangerous element roaming our streets. UGGH…sorry to be a bummer.

    • Says they wanted to put it in but was Denied 7/12/12 …………..in case you can’t open it…………she passed it I am assuming then. WOW but then you would have all these tv nuts saying she was a great physiological liar then for sure too.

      No Win Situation on those polygraphs. I have seen NG call people out an say oh they killed their own kid because they did not pass that an then when the actual killer was found just down the road she was back peddling but those things are not used in court for a reason I would think they do not work right for some people at all.

      You would think by know they would have some kind of better way that could be used in court. Brain scans or something.

  73. THE spontaneous laughter from the public gallery indirectly signalled a widespread dislike of jm’s arrogance, and indicated that he’d lost the increasingly remote possibility of a unanimous verdict
    IT’S apparent to any rational person i believe
    CLEARLY, that recognition went straight over JM’s head
    HE didn’t seem to have a clue what it meant, but simply continoued his blunt technique of yelling at AL, badgering her, and mischaracterizing her answers

    THAT last aspect, mischaracterizing her answers, is habitual, and has deeper significance
    IT looks like the problem is not just that he does such maliciously, but that the ideas and language used by AL are incomprehensible by him

    ALSO, JM’s dogged determination to attempt to improperly restrict AL’s answers to yes or no, was but one indication of his stupidity
    THAT pleases no one here, and see >>>

    http://www.paynemitchell.com/objectfiles/PMLG.Web.Data.Publication/6/Cross%20Examination.pdf

    Page 9
    Techniques That Don’t Work

    “Just Answer Yes or No”

    Television, movies, and, unfortunately, some trial skill programs in law school have encouraged trial lawyers to fall back on the command “just answer my question yes or no” as a method of controlling the runaway witness. This is not a valid controlling technique. First, most judges will not permit the lawyer to do that. Most judges will inform the witness that they may explain their answer, at length if necessary.

    Second, and more importantly, this signals the jury that the cross-examiner is not playing fair. The lack of choice given the witness suggests to the jury that the lawyer is trying to “trick” the witness. Non-lawyers resent this heavy-handed attempt to strait jacket the witness. To them it appears that the lawyer is attempting to “put word s in the witness’s mouth.” A lawyer resorting to this method lowers both credibility and control.

    Credibility is the paramount feature of the successful trial lawyer. When the trial lawyer loses his or her credibility, the case is lost. Credibility is severely damaged when you utter the words “just answer my question yes or no.” There are no two schools of thought on this issue: Don’t do it

    FREQUENTLY,, he showed no comprehenson of the gist of what AL was talking about
    HE speaks english well, but the language subtlty used by AL to explain her expertise clearly escaped him
    HE’S ok when arguing in his narrow legal specialty, but as far as being able to comprehend matters outside that, he’s a dim bulb

    • Very interesting Wes.
      I know personally, with my dislike for Martinez aside, I feel its very controlling and definately an attempt at trickery. Surely someone on the jury feels the same.

      What makes it even more clear to the jury, that this is Martinez’s low tactic, was when Mrs. Alyce asked if Martinez wanted the truth or just a yes or no. She pointed out the obvious for those on the jury who were questioning themselves.

        • TryingtoFigureThisOut –
          It was only a matter of time before someone called Martinez’s dickish moves out.
          Thankfully it was Mrs. Alyce, an expert on DOMESTIC VIOLENCE.
          Could it get any better?

          Continue to be hopeful – I have a good feeling Mrs. Alyce isnt done calling The Dick out yet.
          And she does it in such a proper manner. 🙂

  75. Beautiful post as always SJ. 🙂

    This trial couldn’t get more ridiculous, but I am probably speaking too soon. We know JM is so competitive, he tries to top his own atrocious theatrics.

    And just to add to the whole bizarre situation, there was juror #5 sitting in the courtroom. I mean, it’s not enough that this has become a complete mockery, but now there’s a dismissed juror sitting in a spectator??

    It’s like we’ve stepped on the set of the wizard of Oz.

    • I know next he will be asking Dorothy if she has a memory problem. He will ask ALV if The wicked witch suffered abuse. I just cannot decide if he should play the Tin Man or the Scarecrow. He has no brain and no heart that is for sure in The Juanderful world of Oz.

  77. So, since it Friday, I thought I would have a little more fun (since none of the jurors have taken me up on my BS offer to give them 1 million dollars to come forward and admit to breaking the courts “pinky swear” oath)

    Forbes did an article about lying and deception and how to detect deception/lying; I thought it would be fun to use these “top ten ways to tell if someone is lying or being deceitful” traits on the black haired smurf. ( I may have change up a few of these, but that’s ok, I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night)

    #1 Body Language:
    Does the person tend to get very excited over things that normally would not be exciting to talk about? HOLY fucktard! YES, that little guy can’t stand still for more than a second, if it wasn’t for fear that his hair piece would fly off, I think he would trying running in circle while he talks.

    #2 Seek Details:
    When asked details, does the person become defensive, change the subject or turn the topic back to the person asking details? Shity Shitty Bang Bang, YES! Every time a witness has asked “Mr. Juana spar wiff me” a question he has flipped a lid! He immediately gets defensive and turns the question back at the asker… “Mr. stumpy, are you angry at me?”- reply “Does the prosecutor being angry with you have anything to do with the question I just yelled at you bitch!”

    #3 Be aware of unpleasantness:Is the person speaking unpleasant and generally unruly? This one is a no brainer. The” little foreskin lump with the black haired clump” couldn’t be happy if he was in a whore house with a handful of hundred dollar bills and a bottle of Viagra.

    #4 Observe Eye Contact: When sitting at the pros desk he looks up once every 14 days. And I think that’s to see if anyone heard him fart. He doesn’t even look up and make eye contact when he is objecting.

    #5 Signs of Stress: Signs of stress? Hmm… lets see.. a) He yells like a 2 year old with a bad case of herpes. B) He paces back and forth like he is a horse in heat and the farmer is about to open the barn door. C) He twitches worse than an epileptic at a rave.

    #6 Listen for the Pause: Does the speaker pause, when he is trying to fill in “gaps” in what he is trying to say? Some people will try to fill these pauses by raising their voices or repeating a question that was already made and not allowed to be answer… DING DING DING! We have a winner!!! Tell them what they have won! Mr.Dildo Baggins, you are the proud winner of a contempt of court hearing by the supreme court, along with that, you will NEVER get laid again…Unless you like woman with canes…wooden, twisted, signed canes. Congrats! You must bring your own KY..”YOU DO KNOW WHAT KY IS…DONT YOU!!!!!”

    #7 Uses analogies from Walt Disney: Really, this one was right out of the magazine, really, it was number one. I can’t make this shit up. It also said that anyone that tries to use the Walt Disney argument in a DP murder case should be forced to stop, pull their lower lip over the top of their head and swallow.

    #8 Does the story actually make sense? Oh no, while thinking of an answer to this I think a little pee just came out. Yikers! (if you need details on this, please leave, no really, stand up from your computer, turn it of, go outside and walk into traffic)

    #9 Is the speaker a prosecutor for the State of AZ? He does seem to have this title.

    #10 Is the person speaking “objectionable”? Giggle, fart, burp, snicker gulp…Um… I’ll let everyone else decide on the correct answer for this one.

    The prostate prosecutor is deceptive, manipulative and overzealous. None of the things we expect a prosecutor to be. Unbiased, fair and straight forward, that is what the justice systems demands. Anything less and the system doesn’t work.

    • #9 assures me you made up #7. This is just too funny.

      I just loved the

      “Mr. stumpy, are you angry at me?”- reply “Does the prosecutor being angry with you have anything to do with the question I just yelled at you bitch!”

      Kind of reminds me of the Charlie Murphy bit

      “I’m Juan Martinez Bitch”

    • OMFG… Your answers…. my sides hurt!!! LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLLOLOLLOL!!!!!

  78. From twitter@ Chris Williams if anyone is interested

    I just interviewed #JodiArias juror number 5. Learn on @12News @ 5&6 what you won’t anywhere else. #Phoenix

  80. So folks, on a completely different sort of topic, I have been doing some research on Arizona law a precedent with respect to self-defense, M1, manslaughter, etc and how lesser charges are or are not included. I now have some answers so I thought I would share them here.

    By Law, in Arizona as stated in State v. Celaya at 135 Ariz. 248 “where the sole defense is self-defense so that the evidence requires either conviction or acquittal, any instruction on any other grade
    would be impermissible.” What this means is that unless the defense acknowledges at some stage that the objective extent of self defense was crossed, then the only options for the jury are acquittal or M1. However along comes the Beck v. Alabama case that turns the Arizona case on it’s head. In Beck the US supreme court found that

    “The death sentence may not constitutionally be imposed after a jury verdict of guilt of a capital offense where the jury was not permitted to consider a verdict of guilt of a lesser included offense. ……………

    ………..Providing the jury with the “third option” of convicting on a lesser included offense ensures that the jury will accord the defendant the full benefit of the reasonable-doubt standard. This procedural safeguard is especially important in cases such as this one. For when the evidence establishes that the defendant is guilty of a serious, violent offense but leaves some doubt as to an element justifying conviction of a capital offense, the failure to give the jury such a “third option” inevitably enhances the risk of an unwarranted conviction. Such a risk cannot be tolerated in a case in which the defendant’s life is at stake…….”

    So now Arizona is stuck. AZ law says if you have an all or nothing defense such as self defense, then you don’t have to give the lesser charge option to the Jury. The US Supreme court says you can stick that argument where the sun don’t shine.

    So AZ, not to be undone, has made some really nit picking rules regarding what is and isn’t given to the jury. To overcome Beck they now mandate that

    “In all capital cases, the trial court must instruct the jury on all lesser-included offenses reasonably supported by the evidence even if the defendant does not request such instructions, and even over the defendant’s objection.” The only lesser included is M2

    “Second degree murder, A.R.S. § 13-1104, is a lesser-included offense of premeditated first degree murder”

    Now the charges start snowballing as each mandatory lesser included gets added in. So

    “Reckless manslaughter, A.R.S. § 13-1103(A)(1), is a necessarily-included offense of knowing second degree murder”

    And finally

    “Manslaughter, A.R.S. § 13-1103, can be a lesser-included offense of first degree murder, A.R.S. § 13-1105, when the defendant admits killing the victim, thus making the question whether the murder was premeditated or under a “sudden quarrel or heat of passion,” as long as there is sufficient evidence from which the trier or fact could find “heat of passion.”

    However, then in State v. Andriano, the AZ supreme court sort cut up the Beck judgement and rested their argument on the part of the Supreme Courts judgement that starts with “For when the evidence ……..” and based on an old auto theft case added in the term ” and not waived by the defendant.” (BTW as a point of interest Andriano was tried by no other than Juan “Dopey” Martinez. And since the defendant did not ask for the lesser includeds (they also said the evidence didn’t warrant it) the AZ SC claimed the defendant waived their rights and so the verdict was affirmed. Mainly on the evidence issue since there is no waiver in capital cases.

    So how does all this apply to Jodi’s case. It get’s rather complicated.

    Firstly in State v. Whittle the AZ SC decided that in a capital case a defendant cannot waive their rights to a lesser included charge if the evidence warrants it
    “……… a defendant cannot waive his objection if the offense charged may subject him to capital punishment; the court must instruct on lesser-included offenses supported by the evidence even if not asked to do so by the defendant”

    So if Judge Stephens finds that the evidence warranted something lesser than M1 she must include the lesser included in her jury instruction. The defense cannot waive this jury instruction and try an all-or-nothing approach.

    Once the Judge finds that the evidence supports some lesser included charge then all the subsequent charges are also included.

    So in Jodi’s case, I think it comes down to some sort of judgement on the part of Judge Stephens that there is some charge less than M1 that can be supported by the evidence. If she feels that then she will instruct all the way down to manslaughter.

    In reading a bunch of the case law, I found that it seems to help, if the defense points out the evidence that leads to the lesser included charges. This then almost mandates that the judge has to include these lower charges. However, in cases where the defense has vehemently argued against all of the evidence, the judges have taken them at their word, and said well the evidence doesn’t support the lesser included charges, as argued by the defense, and have not instructed the lesser charges. However in cases where the judge felt that the evidence warranted the lesser charges they have instructed for those, even over the defendants request not to.

    The self defense claim in itself does not obviate the requirement under Beck to present the lesser included charges (Hogan v. Gibson at 197 F3d 1297) where the US SC held that since a claim of self defense, if held, proves innocence, it does not exempt the court from allowing the third option. And so Jodi’s claim of self defense does mean the judge does not have to include the lesser charges.

    So here’s the summary:

    1. If the judge feels that the evidence shows that there is a possibility of something less that M1 she must instruct for the lesser included charges, which in AZ go all the way down to manslaughter. The defense can almost guarantee this by arguing that the evidence supports something less than M1. The judge then has to allow that.

    2. The inclusion of these lesser charges does not remove the self defense burden of proof on JM. Before going on to any of the charges the jury must first determine whether or not the state has disproven self-defense beyond a reasonable doubt. If they find that JM has not been able to disprove self-defense she walks.

    3. If they do think JM has disproven self defense, they can still consider all lesser included charges.

    Don’t know if this means anything to anyone, but I found it sort of interesting to answer the question for myself.

    • AL what if they do find it is not !st degree and judge sticks with that what then??????????

      • So the verdict form will ask questions and they are something like this:

        The defendant has raised the affirmative defense of Self Defense with
        respect to the charged offense of First degree murder.The State has the burden of proving beyond a reasonable doubt that the defendant did not act with such justification. If the State fails to carry this burden, then you must find the defendant not guilty of the charge.

        _________ Not Guilty

        You must unanimously agree that the State has proven “first-degree
        murder” beyond a reasonable doubt before you may find the defendant
        guilty of “first-degree murder.” However, all of you do not have to agree on
        whether it was “premeditated murder” or “felony murder.”

        [Complete this portion of the verdict form only if you find the
        defendant “guilty” of “first-degree murder.”]
        Please indicate the number of jurors who found beyond a reasonable
        doubt that the offense of “first-degree murder” was committed as follows:
        _____ Premeditated murder
        _____ Felony murder
        _____ Both premeditated murder and felony murder

        And then this keeps going on for all of the lesser included.

        So a bunch of things can happen.

        1. They decide JM did not prove that this was not self defense. In which case Jodi walks without anything. It’s done. AMF Juan.

        2. They decide that JM did manage to disprove self defense. Now they look at the M1 charge. There are two aspects to this charge, premeditated and felony murder. Let’s say everyone decides no premeditated, they must then look at the felony charge. Now they can all either agree or disagree on the felony murder charge. If not all agree they move to the next. The interesting thing I found in AZ law is what happens if say 6 jurors find for premeditated and a different 6 find for felony murder. Then M1 holds because unanimously they found for !st degree murder. I don’t know if this has ever happened, but it would make for a humdinger appeal.

        3. So let’s say they find M1 doesn’t apply. They now look at M2. They need unanimous consent. If they don’t get it they look at aggravated manslaughter, and if that doesn’t pass unanimously, they look at manslaughter and if that doesn’t fly they look at negligent homicide, and if that doesn’t work she’s free.

        So, with the inclusion of lesser included charges, if they find JM managed to disprove self defense they have a long way to go before she’s home scot free.

        Of course this is the logical part of the law I love. So if they find that JM failed to disprove self defense, then she’s good to go. The judge will release her forthwith.

        If they find that JM managed to disprove self defense, then the jury must decide on one of the other charges. It just doesn’t make any sense any other way. She has acknowledged she killed him. So a homicide did occur. If JM proves, beyond a reasonable doubt, that it was not self defense, then it has to be one of the other homicide charges. The question is which one they settle on.

        Now when the jury’s verdict comes in, the judge has the following options:

        1. If the jury acquits, its done. The judge releases Jodi, immediately. She may have to go to jail to get checked out, but I guarantee they will do it as fast as they possibly can. Even Arapaio won’t delay that one.

        2. If the jury convicts, the judge has the option of throwing out the jury’s verdict and replacing it with a lesser charge. She cannot increase the charge. So the judge can throw a M1 or M2 charge out and replace the M1 with M2, or the M2 with manslaughter, or she can, if she deems it valid, completely overturn the whole thing and declare her not guilty. It has happened, where a judge has actually thrown out a guilty verdict. If the judge does that, once again she walks.

    • Great research, thank you Al. I personally think the state has NOT disproved self defense. BUT I think the jury will want to convict her of something. I hope not, but jurors usually want to do something, just as they did in CA.

      • AA

        I agree. I think they’ll convict her of something. The problem with this case is that it is too damn circumstantial on both sides. JM can’t prove M1 and the defense can’t offer any direct evidence of physical violence in the past. Jodi’s own testimony doesn’t count as direct evidence without the jury giving it weight. So even though we have all this evidence of an abusive relationship the shift from verbal and psychological to physical abuse is only extrapolated by ALV.

        Also I think Nurmi et al made a mistake in the plea bargain. In any deal, there must be a win-win for both sides. They didn’t give JM a win. He knows M2 is already on the table. They should have started lower and let JM beat them up to M2.

        Right now, the easiest thing for the jry to do would be manslaughter. That way they can say to the defense “We buy your self defense story, but she went too far” and they can tell the prosecution “We know she killed TA, but you haven’t proven anything beyond what she’s already acknowledged, so this is what you’re going to get.

        • Al, Thank you for taking the time to explain this. I find it interesting. So if I understand correctly, at the end of the trial, regardless of what the jury decides, the Judge can pull rank on the jury and basically veto their decision and do whatever she decided?

          If this is the case might the Judge already have her conclusion in the back of her mind (send JA home – or DP depending on how the jury votes) and is letting the circus go on to provide HLN fodder as she allows JM practice his clown show?

          • Doubt it, I mean, the judge can’t give Jodi the DP if the jury decides to sentence her to life. She can sentence her to life with parole or a lesser sentence though.

  82. I think it is interesting that both defense experts are experienced and close to retirement age. They knew that testifying was risky. but had the courage to do so. They did not have to take the case but did so anyways. It is not worth the money to live in fear. They believed in their case!!!

    • I just posted a LOT about the prosecution’s expert psychologist witness, but included a lot of links, so I’m waiting for it to be moderated. By contrast, you will see the difference and it’s quite amazing. Of course, the haters are already praising the woman and saying she has no disciplinary record. That would be difficult to do in 3 years of practice though.

      • So, after substantial digging into Dr. DeMarte tonight (can’t wait for my 2 posts with multiple links to be approved), I am just astounded. Juannyboy has completely lost his marbles — assuming he ever had any. He retained this woman more than 2 years ago, but she was first licensed 3 years ago. So, she had ONE freaking year of experience when she evaluated Jodi. And of all the presentations I could find, there was only one she was involved in that had anything to do with adult domestic violence victims, and she was a staff graduate student who assisted in some way or another. WTF!

        I really hope she’s done more that I wasn’t able to find. Or, her testimony will be an absolute joke. Then again, I look forward to SJ’s posts on those days. They will be classic!

  83. this woman, is doing this. I AM including her name:

    Carol Kulbacki Heller
    Amazon has removed all of the crappy reviews for AL’s new book—Please get busy with this link and start the bad reviews if you so feel inclined–do not let this woman make money off of a slaughter human being!!!!

    Carol Kulbacki Heller THey won’t let you post til the book is released now–but please save the link.

    ME THINKS THEY THINK THAT THIS WOMAN IS ON TRIAL.

    I AM MAKING SCREEN SHOT OF ALL OF THIS AS WELL

  84. maria rigadopoulou,

    I saw your post, replying here because it is easier! 🙂 There was no way to fix the problem other than waiting until the time expired –

    So, basically, the time stamp on your post was 11:50 pm Eastern time, even though it was like 5:30 in the afternoon. This was due to the webpage being down, it just was a fluke that happened when you happened to post as soon as the site went back up. Anyway, basically, the only thing you could of done was wait until 11:51 pm Eastern time to post again.

    That is what happened to me. SJ first tried deleting my post with the incorrect time stamp to see if it would help. (SJ did the same to your post and Renee’s). But unfortunately, it did not help. I had to wait.

    We are all back now! Yay

    • Oh…now I get it,that’s why I couldnt find my post when the site came back up.Thanks NK,you’re such a sweetheart for explaining this to me.And yeah…I had to wait 🙁 although I wanted to post so badly yesterday what with all the circus that was going on.

      • Most hysterical exchange ever! I burst out laughing.

        I finally talked about it with a classmate of mine today! She thinks there is something up with this story. She has been following it based on HLN, but she said she knows HLN is very biased. She thinks there is a lot more going on.

  85. For those interested in Janeen A. DeMarte, Ph.D., the prosecution’s rebuttal expert witness, here’s what I’ve been able to dig up:

    She was published in 2005 in Encyclopedia of Applied Developmental Science:

    Violence, Effects on Development
    http://knowledge.sagepub.com/view/applieddevscience/n430.xml

    This appears to be an article about childhood development in those who have witnessed violence.

    Here’s her dissertation published in 2009:

    The heterogeneity of antisocial behavior: Evidence for distinct dimensions of physical aggression, rule-breaking, and social aggression
    https://library.villanova.edu/Find/Summon/Record?id=FETCH-proquest_dll_18928413711

    Here’s the other research she was involved in, as a co-author, which was published in 2006:

    Timing of Menarche and the Origins of Conduct Disorder
    https://library.villanova.edu/Find/Summon/Record?id=FETCH-LOGICAL-a1617-4a434b6151977b61675cf8b6ad347faa9091f4f5a19b41327e02b5a74469548b1

    More of this research paper can be found here:

    https://archpsyc.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=668196&link=xref

    This appears to be a study about conduct disorder in girls with early onset of menses vs. girls with later onset.

    So, she has been published on violence, but it all seems to be related to developmental issues in children and teenagers, and not intimate partner violence.

    In 2006, she did a presentation titled as an MA with some other Ph.D.s at MSU (where she went to school): Empathy and Disregard for Others in Children Exposed to Intimate Partner Violence . (She was only an MA then, just like Alyce, but didn’t mention Snow White, so it’s all good to JM!)

    http://www.slideserve.com/gur/empathy-and-disregard-for-others-in-children-exposed-to-intimate-partner-violence-janeen-a-demarte-m-a-g-anne-bogat

    Download here: http://tinyurl.com/cl8ynuo

    She claims to have “practiced” for 8 years, but only graduated in 2009, which is 4 years ago??? She’s 32 years of age. Obviously, she’s including her practicum work in her years of “practice”.

    http://therapists.psychologytoday.com/rms/name/Janeen_DeMarte_PhD_Phoenix_Arizona_136525 (she’s on page 6)

    Her specialties (she claims) are in: Testing and Evaluation, Personality Disorders, Trauma and PTSD.

    However, this year 2013, she did presentation for Bayless Healthcare on Introduction of Psychotic Disorders and Understanding Mood Disorders. Both seem to relate to children aged 10-14 in middle school. Given the above research, it seems that’s really where her specialty and experience lies.

    http://www.baylesshealthcare.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Opportunity-Knocked-Final-Report.pdf

    She’s apparently been or still is part of a forensic team of Michael Bayless:
    http://www.zoominfo.com/p/Michael-Bayless/1260210808

    He specializes in children and adolescents. More evidence to suggest that is her area of expertise! But wait, Jodi is 32, same age as the doctor. Hmmm!

    Apparently, she charges $130-$200 for therapy. I assume her expert witness rates will be very similar to Samuels and LaViolette.

    From her own website: http://sentiencepsych.com/staff/

    “Dr. DeMarte conducts psychological therapy and assessment for a broad range of clients. Her diverse therapeutic aptitudes have been developed over years of experience providing care to clients from all walks of life, with ages spanning from early childhood to older adults. Her clinical training was conducted in a variety of settings including correctional facilities, outpatient clinics, and inpatient units.”

    YEARS of experience. Okay, that’s pretty literal. She’s been a Ph.D. since 2009, so that is literally YEARS, but not MANY.

    “Dr. DeMarte served as the Clinical Director of a large outpatient behavioral health clinic in Phoenix where she oversaw the practice of numerous multidisciplinary treatment providers. During her tenure, Dr. DeMarte developed a highly coveted program for practicum students from Arizona State University, Agrosy University, and several other academic institutions. She has also instructed at the university level for bachelor’s students and provided intensive training for master’s and doctoral students of clinical psychology.”

    For anyone interested, here’s some ratings about her University Graduate Student Teaching Assistant days:

    http://www.koofers.com/michigan-state-university-msu/instructors/demarte-127004/

    Her days as “clinical director” appear to be the time she spent in practicum for her doctorate.

    She became licensed in AZ in April 2010, just about 3 years ago.
    http://www.psychboard.az.gov/PDF/04.09.10.pdf

    Also, of interest, which has been mentioned before, is that her home was broken into and her laptop may have been stolen and contained a psychological profile of Jodi:

    http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/story/21010530/2013/02/06/expert-witness-in-arias-trial-has-home-burglarized

    What she’s going to testify to? I’d guess she’ll diagnose Jodi with all sorts of psych disorders, borderline personality, narcissistic personality, and who knows what else. But will she be able to stand up to the combined almost 70 years of experience of Dr. Samuels and Ms. LaViolette? Will Ms. Wilmott be able to rip her up? Is that even something Ms. Wilmott does? I mean, seriously, 3 years vs. 34-35 years in each of the defense experts? Well, she does seem to be attractive and I read that she “presents well”. Maybe JM won’t yell at her!

    Another interesting point is that her middle name is Alice, so we’ll once again visit Juanderland, but this time with “Janeen Alice”!

    • Also, she’s registered as a clinical supervisor for the Arizona Behavioral Board of Health, so she’s involved in supervising and training candidates for licensing.

      http://azbbhe.us/List%20of%20Supervisor.pdf

      And aha, this ties in because she is a supervisor for ASU clinical psychology students through Bayless.

      http://psychology.clas.asu.edu/clinic/placements

      Boy, she sure works hard for her money, I’ll give the lady that much credit.

      Also, she was still a psychology student at MSU in the fall of 2005, which would have been 8 years ago, so she definitely does NOT have 8 years of experience in practice:

      http://psychology.msu.edu/Alumni/newsletters/NLFall2005.pdf (see her photo on page 5)

      Her interests and specialties seem to change depending upon where she lists them:

      http://www.docspot.com/d/AZ/phoenix/specialty-interest/anger-management/valueoptions.html

      “Clinical interests for Dr. Demarte include anger management, sexual addiction, and eating disorders.”

      Ooh, so maybe she’ll diagnose Jodi as a sex addict. Her 3 years of experience would totally support that diagnosis, right?

      And wait, she did collaborate on this MSU presentation in April 2009, per the last page (slide 39):

      The Effects of Domestic Violence on Mothers, Young Children, and the Attachment Relationship
      http://tinyurl.com/bphexkx

      So, she knows a bit about domestic violence in regards to mothers and young children. Hmm, it’s a pity Jodi isn’t either!

      She also worked on a study on twins while in MSU. Such a pity Jodi isn’t a twin. But wait, her mother is!

      http://www.findthatdoc.com/search-6762541-hDOC/download-documents-burtklumpnewsletter1.doc.htm

      But wait, here it is! As a graduate student at MSU in 2009, she worked on this presentation:

      Odds and Stability of Resilience to Domestic Violence
      http://www.learningace.com/doc/809503/4afe58d5e1236ac4b6feb8da62429888/cecilia-resilience-srcd-2009

      Wow, that definitely gave her the credentials 2 years ago, just ONE year after she was awarded her Ph.D., when she was first retained by the prosecution to rebut the testimony of Samuels and LaViolette, don’t you think? That was presumably when she evaluated Jodi, just one year out of school. But that presentation when she was a staff graduate student on proves she’s got the goods. Woweee!

      WTF Juanny boy? WTF?

      • I know I’m late in writing this response, but did you by chance come across whether or not she has any experience in court as an expert witness? Just curious.

  86. Someone please help me! I was watching the trial on Thursday then all of a sudden I was watching a bad off broadway play where the wicked step mother was disguised as a middle aged angry short man who was foaming at the mouth. I quickly switched the channel and switched it back, but alas, the same bad play was being shown. I must say it caught my attention after a few minutes, be warned, I don’t think if you have small children they should not watch this!!! I have never been afraid of the looks of the wicked step mother in all my life, it was truly something to marvel at, the ugliest step mother I have ever laid eyes on, just the most menacing thing I’ve seen in a long time. The fangs were being shown, there was literally venom and what only could be described as, human waste, yes I mean shit coming out of his mouth. But no fear, Snow White was not swayed at all by the, what only could me described as, umm what’s the word, yes, there it is, STUPIDITY, coming from the direction of the wicked step mothers direction. It is to be continued on Minday and now I am obsessed. But don’t fear, our Snow White, sat calmly, smiling sweetly and HANDLED the ASSHOLE brilliantly. Can’t wait to see the next act. It does prove good triumphs over evil! Join me and stay tuned to what happens! Go to your happy place, it will give you a warm fuzzy feeling, if only for a time. ENJOY

  87. I know a lot of people are ripping on the judge, but I honestly think she is trying.

    I say this, especially because of the ruling she made yesterday when she allowed Willmott to read an exchange between Jodi and Travis word for word – the one about Travis admitting he had terrible anger control problems. That is really beneficial to the defense, really damning for the prosecution.

    Martinez tried hard to not let that exchange be read. The judge sided with the defense She really is trying hard.

    • I agree Nk. I think she is just inexperienced. I also shake my head at some of the rulings she makes but yes, I do agree she is trying.

  88. ALV haters PUT ON YOUR BIG GIRL PANTS/BIG BOY PANTS the woman studied the evidence,the facts, and gave her PROFFESIONAL opinion. It was not just Jodi’s interview it was Travis’s own words!’ ALV didn’t say he deserved to die! She said Jodi was a battered woman, stuck in an abusive relationship. Threats and petitions Really guys? That energy should be used for actually doing some good for the human race and not this flying monkeys mentality. Remember the monkeys followed the bad guy/girl. The wicked witch. This isn’t Snow White, this isn’t Wizard of Oz. These are real people’s lives you are trying to meddle in and you have no business.

  89. OH! I remember what I wanted to ask!

    The defense has amended the witness list, and they added someone. Does anybody know who?

  92. I’m wondering about something. Arizona is a “red” state, meaning its residents are predominately conservative Republicans. I think there’s a great chance that if all, or a majority, of her jurors are conservative Republicans, and IF she is convicted, they would be more than willing to throw the book at her. I wonder how much politics will come into play with Jodi’s sentence IF she is convicted. What do y’all think?

    • Arizona is very Republican, but that does not mean the jurors will be biased. They are probably taking their duty as jurors very seriously. We need to stop assuming the jurors will be biased and horrible and have a little more faith.

      I know plenty of Republicans (republicans politically or due to religious beliefs and all that), but they would not sentence someone based on their sexual activities. (They may not think highly of them, but would not sentence them to death for it).

      • Nk, I think I didn’t communicate my question clearly. I was not asking if Republicans would be biased. I was asking, based on their conservative values, if they would be more willing to “throw the book” at her. I was not “assuming the jurors will be biased and horrible” as you have suggested and I do have faith and hope. Hope that clears my question up a little. 🙂

        • haha, my bad SD. I have read a lot of comments about how the jurors are probably watching this case on the news, which is why I sort of mentioned that we should have more faith in them 😛 Was not necessarily directing that part at you! 🙂

          As for their willingness to throw the book at her based on their values, maybe not. If they are going to judge this based on facts, I’d imagine they’d try hard to be fair. Also, remember, based on their values, Travis doesn’t come off looking too good either.

          • Nk, I must live in a different world than you do. Believe me, when I say that, I am not trying at all to be facetious. I live in a conservative state in the south and the people with whom I speak and who I know to be conservative Republicans are very pro-prosecution minded (meaning they think if a person has been arrested and charged by a Grand Jury, then by golly, they must be guilty). I have engaged a family member (who I love dearly, but whose political opinions vary vastly from mine) in conversation about Jodi’s case and she is without a doubt convinced that no matter what Travis may have done, Jodi should deserve to die. That’s chilling to me.

            • Yikes! I live in a very Southern, conservative state as well, but in a college town. That must be why!

              • Well, yes, if the implication is that being a college town it would encourage outsiders who were more diverse. 🙂

                • It also implies a much younger population (18-24) that may view things differently. There have been domestic violence campaigns on campus.

              • I’m pretty conservative minded and to be honest I’m not troubled if the likes of a Charles Manson type killer see their sentence carried out. For some cases where it is beyond any doubt who did the crime and their intent was only to kill others I see little value in housing them for life only to punish them on death row, slowly being driven insane from years of isolation. That, to me, is more cruel than lethal injection.

                In a perfect word it would be so nice if we didn’t have any killing or harming of ones fellow man. It’s so sad man can inflict so much harm onto one another.

                I am much more troubled with JA’s case and the shenanigans that are contributing to how she is not getting a fair trial.

                As we’ve all said – this should never have been a DP case in the first place.

                If I were on that jury witnessing the pitiful attempts from the prosecution working so hard to keep information out rather than working to ensure a fair trial I would be extremely troubled at his antics. I’d vote this woman as not guilty of pre med, feel she’s already paid her time for the crime and she would be on her way home.

                I’m glad #5 got the boot. Who knows, maybe her influence swayed some of the others’ given her style and enthusiasm for the DP?

                I could see where, if I was aware english was her second language I might not warm to her opinion. Yes, very politically incorrect, I know, but i could see myself being bugged that she did not grow up in the US, her young life experience totally foreign from JA’s and I might not view her a full blooded peer.

            • SD,

              Might we also consider religion, education, and their personal views of DP cases. Since all of them on the jury have to DP qualified ( per se). Also consider that females might look at this case differently than male ( just a thought).

              I can tell you that juror #5 wanted Jodi to have the DP……. It’s scary to think we had someone like this on the jury who doesn’t understand the verbaage used in this case, and all the necessary components.

              • Yes, I understand all that you say about qualifications for being a juror. I was bringing up the political affilation issue as an aside.

                I can’t comment on Juror #5 yet.

            • SD – I would like to mention a tid bit of information about Arizona Republicans. I consider myself to be a libertarian leaning Republican a huge supporter of Ron Paul the Libertarian leaning Republican who you may or may not have heard of depending on weather or not you follow politics. Arizona was one or the states in which Ron Paul received most of his support, in one straw poll he received over 80% of the vote. Not until I discovered this category (if you will) of folks who think like I do (FINALLY) I didn’t care much for politics, most will vote for ANY liberty leaning party member ( LOVE Dennis Kucinich) and want for all political party lines to eventually go away and Americans vote for leaders who follow the CONSTITUTION!
              Anyway, sorry for that rant, but I said all that to say this, Arizona is becoming what I consider progressive thanks to this HUGE Libertarian influence, and most Libertarians are for very little government, and DO NOT believe the Government has the right to kill American Citizens.

              • Krys… please read my comment to you above. Change your pic, dear. Love!

                • I did- What is your concern? Some hater tracking me, LOL!! They can if they want, but what they find will no doubt make them wish to GOD they had not. LLLOOLLLL!! Mark my words….

                • SD, Arizona is the home and birthplace of Barry Goldwater. His brand of
                  libertarianism still runs strong in that state. Everyone should read his book, ” The
                  Conscience of a Consevative”!

              • RON PAUL 4 EVER I LOVE HIM!!!!!!!! The Media Kept Blocking him he is so Brilliant what a following he has a real audience versus a Media Creation. Dr.Paul is the best.

                • Yea! fellow liberty LOVER!! Yes, a real following of people who’s lives he has greatly impacted. I can never thank him enough for all I have learned from him.

    • The fact of the matter is that Arizona death row population is 8th in the country. Arizona is 15th in population. of the first 15 states (population wise) all but 1 has the DP. So obviously AZ sentences more people to death than average. However their execution rate is 11th.

      However a total of 49% of all DPs in Arizona are overturned on direct appeal at the state level. Of the ones that are not turned over at the state level 60% are turned over at the federal level, leading to a reversal rate of almost 80% of all DPs.

      Says to me they hand them out more than average and screw up a large majority of the time.

  93. I just heard that ALV’s speaking engagement this weekend was cancelled. Has anyone heard anything? I hope she hasn’t received death threats. 🙁

    • Latest credible source I heard stated that Alyce cancelled it herself. Beyond that, I haven’t heard anything else. Anyone?

      • I speculate that she thought she would be finished testifying for the trial and that now she will be spending the weekend memorizing information to handle jerkwad better.

        just my opinion.

      • The minions are screaming that it was cancelled because the people who hired her to speak are outraged about what she has done.

      • There was a petition to make her cancel, and someone who claimed abuse against her, but have not seen a real reason for it.

        I did think she was probably going to prepare more for JM’s cross. She was mostly calm, but she did snarl at him once and she probably wants to irritate him with kindness so he won’t know what to do.

        • I’m sure SHE cancelled it. It was her own organization putting it on ABIP after all. Those haters will try to spin anything.

        • There is a petition going around, wanting her testimony banned. They truly are ignorant people!

        • “but she did snarl at him once”

          I saw the “cross” (If that is what one would call that mess) and I did not see ANY “snarling” on her part.

  94. It’s not at all likely that this would ever happen, but do you know what I would love to see? I’d love to see whoever really did slash the tires turn himself in before Monday morning. I’d love to see him step up and do the right thing. E-mail the prosecutor, the defense lawyers, the court clerk, and Flores with a confession and state that he’s turning himself in. Hit send and drive directly over to the police station. He should bring a lawyer with him of course. I know this will never happen, but I’d really LOVE to see that.

    We all have suspicions of who this may be.

  95. Wondering if anyone knows if Maricopa County is providing round the clock protection for witnesses such as ALV, since there are so many threats against her? As long as she is an active witness she should have police protection, as should Dr. Samuals or any one else that is testifying on Jodi’s behalf.

  96. I read that after Alyce LaViolette got off the stand yesterday — when she requested a recess — she approached Samantha Alexander and spoke with her, As I understand that, it is a violation of the Victim’s Bill of Rights in Arizona. After the break, Detective Flores was with Ms. Alexander. Does anyone know anything about this? Is it true? Are any Arias supporters in the courtroom?

        • She did not violate the victim’s rights (based on the Arizona bill I read and posted). People are just outraged at her actions and claiming she did.

      • Nk,

        Thanks for posting the AZ victim’s bill of rights. I don’t see anything in the list that Alyce LaViolette did wrong, if this is true at all that she went over to talk to them. They can refuse to speak with her.

        If Alyce L. DID go over to talk to them, my guess is that she was just very sensitive to their feelings. It has to be hard having your brother and his friends telling you he was God-like and then finding out he was the opposite of that. And when Travis wrote of his horrible childhood, that’s their childhood too. I think Alyce L. is just a very nice woman who cares about people and she was probably more aware than anyone how her testimony would make them feel.

        And remember, the defense suggested a plea a long time ago, before the trial ever even started, because they wanted to save the family and friends from having to hear all this. The family was estranged from Travis and they probably heard Chris Hughes’ version of the story.

        • That is exactly what I have been saying from the start! Glad to know someone else feels the same!

          • I truly can’t fathom Alyce being anything but kind and compassionate towards the Alexander family.

            • TA’s lying abused them also. It would not surprise me if this wasn’t the first time LAV has dealt with a similar dynamic as domestic abuse affects more than just the couple. She’s been around the block and has seen it all.

              The script an abuser follows and the hurt and devastation they leave behind is fairly uniform. ALV has a perfect style to work with the delicate nature of DV.

        • I think it may be possible to argue that it goes against #1 . . . as just speaking to them could be quite upsetting. I have to admit I feel bad for Samantha Alexander as she is the one most frequently in tears in the courtroom. I can see where she would be upset when Alyce said Travis was the perpetrator.

          • The only way to argue that is if Alyce actually said something offensive. Otherwise, seriously? His family goes up to people to pass out ribbons, and I am quite sure people have spoken with them too.

            My guess is this stuff is spewed by people who hate Jodi who just want to complain about something.

            Martinez asked to speak with the judge about a matter the judge said she would address in private. No reason to assume it had to do with Alyce talking to Samantha.

      • Yes — I have been here for a couple of weeks, but have not posted much recently because I wasn’t able to watch this past week so don’t really have much to offer!

  97. Questions: Has Dr. DeMarte did testing on Jodi or ever met with her? Or is she going to rebut Dr. Samuels and AL testimony? I’m clueless on how this works in AZ.

    • Presumably, she has performed testing. She has also met with Jodi, but we do not know how many times. She will rebut their testimony.

      I’m waiting for 2 comments with links to get moderated that give a lot of background on Dr. DeMarte. Basically, she was licensed in 2010 after being awarded her Ph.D. in 2009. She was retained by the defense as their “expert” more than 2 years ago, so she had very little clinical experience. Judging by her limited published work and presentations, she had specialized mostly in children and adolescents and worked with a forensic psychology team specializing in the same.

      • I think Willmott set up this less experience thing when she was talking to Dr. Samuels — she made a comment about about 30 or 35 years being more than 3 🙂

      • AA, would there be value in you forwarding the info you found to Nurmi / Wilmott? They have already have it but they may not…? I read someplace they did not have unlimited money so may not have spent time to find this?

    • Don’t know. But if I was the defense attorney, no way would I allow a prosecution psychologist anywhere near my client. Noway, no how.

      I guess she’s going to comment on Samuel’s report and I know that ALV made some comment about her, so I’m assuming she may have interviewed ALV. I don’t know if ALV ever produced a report, because I don’t think one was presented in court.

  98. Do some folks use different aliases or names on this site because I see a distinct writing style of say “June” who then purports to be “December”.?

    • I think some people do.
      Seems to me that its mostly haters, but I dont know.

      I’m just kind of glad people have mostly stopped referring to Martinez as M.
      But never used an alias regardless.
      😀

      • I haven’t either, M. I wish so much that I could use my real name, but so afraid of the repercussions. 🙁

        • I use my real name, but then I am in Canada. If someone wants to come up here and wade through 3 feet of snow, I’ll put the coffee on and bake a cake for them! lol

          • Me too, I dont use my real name on here but I am the same shannon as on the facebook page. If they are nice, I bake a cake for nice visitors, but let the dog at the nasty ones.

        • I totally understand.
          I do admire those who choose to use their full names, but I too am afraid of the haters who are dangerous.

          I may be a bit of a worry wart in this sense, but honestly, some of those Travisites are so damned angry, its hard telling what they are capable of.

          Its okay though, we all seem to know who’s who and can usually tell when someone’s “lost” – to put it nicely.

          Real names or not, we’ve got a great team here, you know.

  100. Found this on twitter

    Dr Phil Production Company is paying for #JodiArias Family living expenses.
    Hotel and food TRAVEL for the last 94 days in Arizona

    Excuse: paying MOM Sandra for her daily NOTES she writes while trial testimony takes place.

    Dr Phil paid license fee for photos and video of Arias Family

    Dr. Phil producer visited Jodi 2 times in jail so far per jailhouse visitor log

      • a few expressed that it might be a good idea to write to Oprah to ask her to help the Alexander family. Donald Trump and Bill Gates were also mentioned.

        • OMG these people are GOLD DIGGERS…… FAME and FORTUNTE…… GET FK JOB….. this trial is almost over…..

          Tanisha and her husband run a business so they don’t need money
          Samantha is a police officer…………..
          Don’t know about the brothers……. WTF PEEPS this is a Barney Bailey’s Seven Ring Circus ……

          Dont get me wrong I feel for both sides of the families but to get rich off your exstranged brother’s DEATH is just morbid in its own way…..

    • I lost interest with Dr. Phil during Casey’s trial…

      It was reported that he put in $50,000 twice into the Caylee Foundation for the two interviews with GA and CA on his show…pictures showed up later with both of them on a cruise ship in their skimpy bathing suits sporting dark tans with more tattoos and George wearing two diamond stud earrings in both ears as big as my little fingernail…it was said that they didn’t take the money out of the Caylee Fund for income….they took the money out for administrative fees…yep…they needed the money alright…they sailed a lot of the money away?…ships-ahoy…

      But…if he’s helping the Arias family with the burden of their living expenses while they are in Arizona…then maybe I’ll go and watch his show again…hmm…

  101. My comments about Dr. DeMarte still haven’t been moderated, so I’m going to post them with one link at a time and hope that goes through.

    or those interested in Janeen A. DeMarte, Ph.D., the prosecution’s rebuttal expert witness, here’s what I’ve been able to dig up:

    She was published in 2005 in Encyclopedia of Applied Developmental Science:

    Violence, Effects on Development
    http://knowledge.sagepub.com/view/applieddevscience/n430.xml

    This appears to be an article about childhood development in those who have witnessed violence.

    • She claims to have “practiced” for 8 years, but only graduated in 2009, which is 4 years ago. She’s 32 years of age. Obviously, she’s including her practicum work in her years of “practice”.

      http://therapists.psychologytoday.com/rms/name/Janeen_DeMarte_PhD_Phoenix_Arizona_136525 (she’s on page 6)

      Her specialties (she claims) are in: Testing and Evaluation, Personality Disorders, Trauma and PTSD.

      Apparently, she charges $130-$200 for therapy. I assume her expert witness rates will be very similar to Samuels and LaViolette.

      • USA People Search lists her at 32 years of age. Why in the hell should anybody take seriously somebody who is basically a rookie in the field?

        Obviously nobody reputable in the field was going to go against the obvious that Jodi indeed had suffered from DV and PTSD.

        • Amen to that…… She’s has no experience compared to Alyce and Dr. Samuel.

          Just bc she has FRESHLY PRINTED Ph.D doesn’t make her more experienced than Alyce who has years of experience in the field. People who get Ph.D are those who wanted tenure at universities for teaching or for research publishing otherwise you only need a masters degree with clinical training to obtain your license to practice.

          EAT THAT DON JUAN……. Sending you the purple carpet for a MAGIC CARPET RIDE.

    • From her own website: http://sentiencepsych.com/staff/

      “Dr. DeMarte conducts psychological therapy and assessment for a broad range of clients. Her diverse therapeutic aptitudes have been developed over years of experience providing care to clients from all walks of life, with ages spanning from early childhood to older adults. Her clinical training was conducted in a variety of settings including correctional facilities, outpatient clinics, and inpatient units.”

      YEARS of experience. Okay, that’s pretty literal. She’s been a Ph.D. since 2009, so that is literally YEARS, but not MANY.

      “Dr. DeMarte served as the Clinical Director of a large outpatient behavioral health clinic in Phoenix where she oversaw the practice of numerous multidisciplinary treatment providers. During her tenure, Dr. DeMarte developed a highly coveted program for practicum students from Arizona State University, Agrosy University, and several other academic institutions. She has also instructed at the university level for bachelor’s students and provided intensive training for master’s and doctoral students of clinical psychology.”

      For anyone interested, here’s some ratings about her University Graduate Student Teaching Assistant days:

      http://www.koofers.com/michigan-state-university-msu/instructors/demarte-127004/

    • And wait, she did collaborate on this MSU presentation in April 2009, per the last page (slide 39):

      The Effects of Domestic Violence on Mothers, Young Children, and the Attachment Relationship
      http://tinyurl.com/bphexkx

      So, she knows a bit about domestic violence in regards to mothers and young children. Hmm, it’s a pity Jodi isn’t either!

    • But wait, here it is! As a graduate student at MSU in 2009, she worked on this presentation:

      Odds and Stability of Resilience to Domestic Violence
      http://www.learningace.com/doc/809503/4afe58d5e1236ac4b6feb8da62429888/cecilia-resilience-srcd-2009

      Wow, that definitely gave her the credentials 2 years ago, just ONE year after she was awarded her Ph.D., when she was first retained by the prosecution to rebut the testimony of Samuels and LaViolette, don’t you think? That was presumably when she evaluated Jodi, just one year out of school. But that presentation when she was a staff graduate student on proves she’s got the goods. Woweee!

      WTF Juanny boy? WTF?

    • From her own website: http://sentiencepsych.com/staff/

      “Dr. DeMarte conducts psychological therapy and assessment for a broad range of clients. Her diverse therapeutic aptitudes have been developed over years of experience providing care to clients from all walks of life, with ages spanning from early childhood to older adults. Her clinical training was conducted in a variety of settings including correctional facilities, outpatient clinics, and inpatient units.”

      YEARS of experience. Okay, that’s pretty literal. She’s been a Ph.D. since 2009, so that is literally YEARS, but not MANY.

      “Dr. DeMarte served as the Clinical Director of a large outpatient behavioral health clinic in Phoenix where she oversaw the practice of numerous multidisciplinary treatment providers. During her tenure, Dr. DeMarte developed a highly coveted program for practicum students from Arizona State University, Agrosy University, and several other academic institutions. She has also instructed at the university level for bachelor’s students and provided intensive training for master’s and doctoral students of clinical psychology.”

        • Holy crap also abused!! you weren’t kidding when you said you had a few links!!!

          Thanks for all the work!!

        • OK, haven’t had a chance to get through all those links — WOW! — but my brother is a psychologist and before getting a Ph.D. one gets a Masters, and, like LaViolette, you can practice and have clients after you get your masters. So she probably got that in 2005 or 2006, so she has 7-8 years of some kind of experience. Still doesn’t compare to 30+ or a combined 60 or 70+

            • She has to have a masters in order to practice, which means she needed to be supervised for at least 2000-5000 hours under a licensed psychologist. Hard to do while working on your Ph.D that takes roughly 6 plus years.

              Experience my ASS….. a lot of her work was probably for her dissertation. Also if she was in school in MI and moved to AZ she needs to know thoses laws for getting her licenses and could call for additional hours.

              Good work AA.

              • Exactly FUJuan, and she was in school in 2006, and got her doctorate in 2009, and on staff at MSU in the interim for research projects and presentations PLUS getting all those supervised hours. I just don’t believe she has much real experience at all. Let’s face it, your namesake would rip her to freaking shreds if she was the defense expert witness.

                • She was no more a practicing psychologist in the years that she was in school than a student teacher is a teacher.

                  It’s bullshit. She is a rookie, a novice, in the field.

                  What a joke.

            • Ah OK . . . I know my brother did plenty of work while getting his Ph.D., but it was supervised . . . and if she didn’t have a license . . .

          • B. Berry, the reason I doubt her “experience” of 8 years is because she was still in school in the fall of 2006 and on the “staff” of MSU for multiple presentations and research projects at that time. She was 25 years old in 2006. She was still on staff as a graduate student in 2009. She got her Ph.D. in 2009. So, presumably, she was a graduate student working on her masters and then doctorate from 2006-2009. It seems unlikely that she was on staff and seeing private clients, but I guess it’s possible.

            • Hmmm get out the calculator folks…

              25 years old working on here masters…. it takes 4 to 5 years to get your B.S. in pyschology, then get accpeted into a master’s program for psychology that’s another 2 to 3 years. Then alpply to a doctoral program that takes 6 years…

              Rougly 14 years of school … starting at the age of 18 ( assuming ) = 32 years of age…..

              How do I know all this, I have a B.S., M.S, M.A, and Ph.D. Took me roughly 6 1/2 years to get my Ph.D in Psychology.

              • OK, confused . . . wouldn’t it generally be 9-10 years for the degree. My brother did 4 years at Yale, then Ph.D in 5 years at UCLA. But age came out right regardless.

                I am sure Willmott will slice and dice her on cross.

            • Grad student experience doesn’t mean squat as far as I am concerned. She was just learning the ropes.

              What a travesty JM couldn’t get anybody who had substantial experience in DV and psychological issues.

              • Exactly tonysam. While I was doing that research, I saw someone on one of the hater sites call her a “baby psychologist”. And seriously, keeping Jodi’s profile on a laptop that got stolen? That’s a total rookie mistake right there.

                I bet JM couldn’t get anyone else to do this. But I think it’s absolutely hysterical that she had one effing year of experience when she first evaluated her and ZERO experience in DV or PTSD.

                I’m not going to call her names or put her down other than that though. I won’t stoop to the level of the hater sites. I don’t care about her sexual orientation either. But she does NOT have the level of clinical experience of the two defense experts and has no business rebutting their testimony.

                • Does “baby” psychologist mean she is a psychologist of babies, or is it in reference to her age?

                • Maybe both — age and that she generally works with kids?

                  Honestly, after seeing what it is doing with Samuels’ and LaViolette’s careers (she has really been trashed on Amazon), I bet it was hard to find someone who would do it. People don’t like to put women on death row, and I think Psychologists, in general, are less likely to support the death penalty. I think you would have to be in support of DP to take this case.

                  I suppose maybe she thinks she will instantly make a name for herself, but so far it seems like most don’t come out of trials looking great because it is the lawyers’ job to make them look bad. Unless she is fabulous and incredible, I don’t think it will help her career either.

                • “Honestly, after seeing what it is doing with Samuels’ and LaViolette’s careers ”

                  I don’t think it is actually going to affect their careers just because a small percentage of nutbergers are doing ignorant things.

                  Also, whomever JM got as a witness wouldn’t know this in advance. He probably couldn’t find anyone with real experience to agree with him.

                • “He probably couldn’t find anyone with real experience to agree with him.:

                  That is my suspicion. She was retained in late 2010 before this was such a media hoopla, so she couldn’t have expected what was to happen. She may have thought it would establish her name, though.

                • do you know if the prosecution will be calling another expert witness other than demarte? i heard juan was calling in two?

        • Also Abused…perhaps you can send those links to the defense…if JW is in charge of cross she will probably have it right at her fingetips already…but who knows.

          • I know there is someone here who communicates with her. Rather than me sending an email out of the blue, it might be better if that person did it? I just can’t remember who that is. Grrr memory in the 40s sucks! LOL

        • Hey, after we grade her testimony, if we don’t like her we can all pretend to be students and SHRED HER to PIECES! 😉

          AA, Thank you for doing all this work! Very impressive!

      • AA

        Her LC is 4120
        NPI 1245543487 ( 7-16-10 to 9-4-12)
        Taxanomy Code 103TC0700X
        Specialization Adult Development & Aging

        • Huh, it doesn’t look like she did much in her specialization field? Or is my perception incorrect?

        • Now her specialty is adult development and aging? Do a search on the woman. She claims she’s a specialist in BPD, NPD, PTSD, Asperger’s, Parkinson’s, and every other freaking psych category under the sun.

          • She’s sitting on her DSM………………… You only focus or specialize in a couple areas… not the entire DSM….. Lunatic……………. guess JUAN got her cheap.

            • She’s barely out of nursery school. It is going to be pathetic to have to listen to her crap.

              Knowing JM, he probably got her to “adapt” Jodi’s diagnosis to fit his debunked theory.

      • I’d leave Argosy off my CV if I were her. Argosy is a degree mill like the University of Phoenix.

        • I don’t see Argosy. Here’s her LinkedIn:

          http://www.linkedin.com/pub/janeen-demarte/57/614/797

          Education:

          Michigan State University
          Doctor of Philosophy (Ph.D.), Clinical Psychology
          2003 – 2008

          University of Massachusetts, Amherst
          Bachelor of Arts (B.A.), Psychology
          1998 – 2002

          It took her 5 years then to get her MA and Ph.D. And like I said, given the research and presentations she worked on as staff at MSU, she wasn’t treating patients privately.

          Experience

          Clinical Psychologist
          Sentience Psychological Services, PLLC
          August 2012 – Present (9 months)

          Clinical Director
          Bayless BHS
          March 2010 – August 2012 (2 years 6 months)

          Clinical Psychology Resident
          Arizona State Hospital
          August 2008 – August 2009 (1 year 1 month)

          That’s a total of 3 years and 4 months. Not to mention that her time at AZ State Hospital was her residency, supervised, so not exactly experience. So, when she was retained for this case in late 2010 and first evaluated Jodi, she was at Bayless and had about 9 months of actual experience. That’s laughable compared to the 2 people who testified. At least it won’t take long to detail her experience on the stand. But come on, the jury HAS to get the difference. They just have to.

          • Argosy is mentioned in one of your posts upthread regarding this “expert’s” working with students from different universities.

            I just wouldn’t brag about taking on students from a degree mill if I were in her shoes.

            • Hahahaha

              Oh you’re right about the Argosy in there. I forgot about that. Brain dead on a Friday night woman over 40 LOL

    • She does sentience psychology
      World English Dictionary
      sentience or sentiency (ˈsɛnʃəns)

      — n
      1. the state or quality of being sentient; awareness
      2. sense perception not involving intelligence or mental perception; feeling

      • Right Debbie, like WTF? She FEELS her way through it quietly?

        Jodi, I have been quietly perceiving you for 5 minutes and I feel with my sentient mind that you premeditated this crime. I’m going to write that in my report for Mr. Martinez. Okay?

        • LOLOL!

          This should be an interesting witness to say the least. Since she has such little experience does that mean we should ask what her GPA was?

    • Yep, saw that. Hopefully the pros will realize it is not a terroristic threat.

      ENTERTAINMENT PURPOSES ONLY…

    • Thanks, Lol!! Unless you see it up close you don’t know the little “secret” in there HA!!!
      I was gonna use the “no make-up” one posted here before, but when I did an Image search and saw it I KNEW it was the one 🙂

    • Hahaha makesbme want to put JVM on mine!!!! You thk they’ll find out n get offended? ?!! Lol

      • Anyone got a really screwed up pic of JM? I’ll put that one mine. Heck, I’ll go into Photoshop and make one. Oh wait, maybe I could zombify him LOL

      • If she didn’t want scrutiny she shouldn’t be making an ass of herself on TV every night and then go on DWTS with nipple issues, LOL!!

    • Ha! So much for not talking. She’s talking to everyone and anyone. Cha-ching, cha-ching.

      • So did AZCentral pay her more since she gave them her name? Fox is gonna be mad about that.

        • Meliha Amanovic SHAME on YOU…. if you were commited to this trial you would of done your duty as a citzen and KEPT your MOUTH SHUT…… what a gold digger…. Gave her a perception of our LEGAL system in the US… WTF… is she clueless?

          • FUJaun,
            Clueless!
            She doesn’t understand ” Don’t talk”

            She actually is talking and she actually has given her opinion.
            What a f’ed trial.
            She didn’t go there for attention???
            Her heart is in it, but she’s the one that f’ed up.

            In her 30’s and doesn’t understand just the simple things?
            Maybe she shouldn’t have been on there anyway.
            I think she’s like someone else we know that bases her
            fact on something in the past. like a war?

            We’ve all seen the aftermath of wars, so in that case none of us are capable of
            being on a murder case. She basically had her mind made up to being with.

    • Glad to hear she is staying home to watch the rest. I think she maybe a JUAN LOVER wink wink No way I would have shown my face back in that trial that is so weird. Ok so the JURY can speak to each other just not about the trial haha right !

    • Finally, we asked Juror No. 5 if she thinks Jodi Arias is guilty.

      “Not yet, I would not like to disclose that until the trial is over and after that I have plenty to say.” I’ll bet she has plenty to say LOL She is writing a wish list now waiting for the money to come rolling in.

  106. Anyone else find it really ironic that the state of Arizona is paying to both defend and prosecute Jodi? Conflict of interest …..

  107. OMG!! someone posted a picture on HLN, it’s a cake that says, “Death penalty for Jodi!” and it has a knife dripping blood and a stick figure hanging from the gallows.

    SICK!!

    • They simply need to close all comments and reviews on that book for awhile, certainly for some time even after the trial is over.

      • Really??
        I shop a lot at Amazon. Not anymore.
        In fact I was going to order the book from them, but I can get it
        at many book stores.

        Also, just regular shopping for many things.
        Many things that other people have

    • Just shows their IQ levels to stoop this low…….

      Obviously they know they have LOST this case so lets bash all of over witnesses with threats and lies…. I hope they all rot in jail as JODI walks FREE.

      They are so immature, uneducated, unethical, and totally disguisting ……………….

  109. If anyone is still here and can answer a question for me real quick. What was the name of that alter ego TA portrayed in those videos?

  110. I recorded nancy grace and was watching it and had to come post the showed one of jodi’s jurnal pages that is dated july 18 2008 she is describing a dream but she states 1 was charged for the murder of travis was in custidy and the other was not yet charged because of charges in another juisdiction and it has to do with the FBI now that made me remember Dustin Thompson and Ashley Thompson Reed so any one who say do go to HLN I do to see if I can find things to help Nancy also say they have 600 pages of her jurnal the also had photos of travis and said Dave Hall provided them now im getting a eery feeling here well best I can do have not seen the other yet but will save this on my tv. Did anyone else notice that too…

      • It’s an entry from Jodi’s journal, a dream she had that she (Jodi) was in custody.

        • That is really creepy. When was she taken into custody? This would have been after the murder, right? Where can I read this entry?

          • Nk …. i recorded Nancy Grace tonite and it was on her show i have it on pause now

      • they have jodis journals 600 pages and they aired one where jodi is describing a dream on July 18, 2008 and I have read all the flores report and read comments and looked at videos and what the page they showed on tv is describing Dustin Thompson he was arrested for morgage something and the FBI was involved …. NK

        • Yeah, I know they have her journals. It makes me sick that people who wish so much harm on her have access to her private thoughts.

          • jodi mind confusing as it is they are can be helpful if others look at them as I do I dont think she did this

        • we also know that ashley reed is dead now in 2010 march ashley was Dustin’s wife. she is the one that called in to say he x may have be involved with his death or knows something and of couse flores did nothing she changed her story and side her x was acting strange because they were having money issues

          • I don’t think she did it all either but she was there. An since they went with this Self Defense she can’t change her story again. She already put in a plea deal 2 years ago so she has made up her mind to be in prison. I still pray for a ACQUITTAL even if people keep saying it is impossible. I still think that would be fair with it being in Self Defense. The jury will have to make a verdict Without a Reasonable Doubt an I see DOUBT everywhere as far as she did the whole thing. I know one thing there is no way it was premeditated to do that.

            She went there an maybe she told him too then it would be the last time because she was going to Ryan’s. An when she dropped that camera that was it the fight was on I can see that. We have to remember too he was interested in Mimi an she turned him down pretty much as Lisa did. He was not getting the “VIRGINS” to commit to anything. His ego had to be down until he talked Jodi to come there for a visit an then she was moving on also. I just have a feeling she had that talk with him an he was pissed off. Getting Jodi to come to his beck an call was his EGO BUILDER UPPER an he was losing that.

            • go back to flores report page 1 and 2 and 20 she is being set up to take the fall for his death

            • Rhonda…I agree with you…

              I felt that Travis’ body was getting sexually deprived and his mind was getting desperate since he had lost all of his potential “booty calls” in those previous “virgin girls” …and he knew that he could till sweet talk Jodi…beautiful, lovable and heart giving Jodi…

              Travis talked her into coming to his house in the wee hours of Wednesday morning and he would keep her his secret from his roommates that were in the home…remember his “johnson” was speaking louder than his brains that morning…

              THIS WAS NOT A PRE-PLANNED DAY OF SEX…because….read on….

              Travis didn’t find out until later that Wednesday morning after talking with Zach, his roommate, that it was Zach’s day off work and he would be in and out of Travis’ home that same day….and his other roommate, Enrique, also talked to Travis that morning before Enrique went to work at 8 am…and Enrique returned back to Travis’ home after 6 pm that evening…

              If Travis had known that Zach was going to be off work and would be in and out of the house that day then he would have told Jodi we have to get together another day…but he didn’t tell her that…because he didn’t know that Zach was going to be off work that day…his sexual needs took precedence over anything else…

              I feel very confident that this whole sexual thing on Wednesday, June 4, 2008 was all Travis’ doing in hie persuasion of Jodi to come and see him for that one day before she went to Brian Byrnes home…

              Premeditation to murder….how stupid and idiotic…

    • Yes, they have 600 pages of Jodi’s diary. I think they (HLN) is forgetting the testimony about the alternate reality that Jodi created — she had amnesia, so when she was writing in her diary, she was hoping that the murderer would be found. She had a dream and wrote about it.

  111. As the weekend goes by,I am sure that KN and JW will be on top of their research of JMs expert,it wouldnt hurt though if someone out there knew how to steer them onto cetain things about her.I am sure the judge will be all ears for her,not like the defence.Wasnt JMs rant great on thursday,just proves in a shadow of a doubt what kind of arrogant little asshole he is,I hope ALV is home sharpening up her retorts for the little dick next week,maybe we will see him screw himself into the ground.How unprofessional of him and the gaull of him signing autographs and posing for pictures,it is obvious that his boss really dont care about their image as the representitives of the state.Then there is Judge Sherry Stephens who seems to not pay much attention to the procedings,she has asked several times as to what was the question that was being objected to.The best is when she states that she asked the jury if they have seen or heard anything about this trial,I see no hands,must be OK,Give me a F@#KING break,the only way that anybody hasnt seen or heard anything about this trial is if you are dead,and maybe even so at that.KN has hit that one on the head and he is right about it being a fantasy that the jury is not tainted,if there was ever a mistrial (not a chance of that,the judge is spineless) finding enough people in the state of Arizona to form a jury that hasnt been exposed to some type of coverage is as rare as turtle fur and chicken lips,maybe if you got a comatose patient and revived them, the trial might be fair.The media has swayed the masses to hate Jodi,the prosecutors know this as per their leaked well timed videos and the aquirement of Jodis journals to Nancy Disgrace.Nancy showed a video of Jodi as a bridesmaid at her friends wedding WTF does that have to do with the current situation,last night on DR Drew they were rating Jodis hair,what a bunch of idiots.The tide has turned and Jodi is closer to freedom,I still say that someone else was there or someone else did this and Jodi is the patsy,taking the fall.I am very fearfull for the day she gets out,the media has destroyed her and I think that somebody will try and kill her,a conspiercy just like when Jack Ruby killed Lee Harvey Oswald.Jodi is innocent and has been treated very unfairly,the haters,the prison system,the courts and lying police,she has been overwelmed and she will be strong.Lets all keep suporting Jodi,GOD SPEED Jodi.

  112. Oh give me a freaking break tonight. These people are INSANE. Sorry guys, I’m pissed off. http://mixedbagblog.com/2013/04/05/alyce-in-jodi-land/

    “After spending an hour building up AL’s (Alyce LaViolette’s) credentials JM (Juan Martinez) tore them down in minutes. Under cross she became an out-dated (no formal education in more than 3 decades), out of touch (she now lectures about Snow White being battered), under-qualified (because she has no PhD she cannot administer or score tests and is not qualified to diagnose anyone) joke.”

    NO formal education? Um excuse me, what the heck is a Masters degree? And to get that, you have to have a Bachelor’s degree. Her education is basically equivalent to JM’s who has a Bachelor’s and a Juris Doctor — which does NOT require an interim Master’s.

    I was diagnosed with PTSD by my therapist an LCSWC (licensed clinical social worker certified) The psychiatrist I saw said my therapist was more than qualified to diagnose me.

    But Juan’s gonna put an expert on the stand who had less than 1 year of experience when she evaluated and tested Jodi?

    And excuse me, but did I dream Dr. Samuels’ tesimony?

    • AA,

      I am sending over a xanx for you before you have a heart attack on us tonight. I know the roaches are coming out of the woodwork on the otherside, that’s bc they are scared SHITLESS that their DON JUAN FKED up this case……..

      This lady is going to be the laughing stock of the DON JUAN team…………….. Looking forward to her 15 mins of fame so JW can tear her apart. She has no experience in this category and it’s going to be entertaining to see what she says about ” amensia” on the stand. As for PTSD fk most of us in the US suffer from this…. only takes on tragic incident to mess with your mental state.

      At least we are repectful, and intelligent on this side of the specturm to think the case out and not judge and destory other people.

      I feel for this jury when this trial is over…. they will all need a one way ticket to Bora Bora.

      AA, I did notice something interesting last night going over all the piles of paper work involved in thise case and want your opinon. Look up Jodi’s bank statement, and under the gas charges you see a charge for ” PRICELINE” air…… very interesting ….. Was she going on the trip? Wonder what the ticket was bought for on her bank statement……

    • I swear nothing surprises me anymore.

      We can’t let them get to us, FUJuan is right, they are scared because they know the case is falling apart.

      I know it’s hard not to get angry, it’s a never ending onslaught of garbage from them. Believe me, I have let them stress me out too, diabetes and stress don’t play nice and I end up having to go for a walk to get my glucose down. Do you know how hard it is to explain to someone why I am out walking at 3am? I am sure my neighbors are beginning to think I am totally off my stick! lol

      Take a deep breath, Monday ALV will hit the little troll out of the court room.

      • Yep been there done that, Gail! My adult children think I have gone cocoa for cocoo puffs over this trial ! I have given myself migraines, unneeded stress, countless hours of lost sleep, read and reread documents , searched endless sites. Guess we all can put this on our CV for volunteer work !!!!
        .

        More worked up over this trial than the CA !!!!!

        • This trial is worse than CA, and the minions are escalating. I have been emailing complaints where ever I find a hate campaign starting. It’s a full time job keeping ahead of the little turds sometimes!

          • Totally agree! Spent several hours emailing people and sites myself ! This has gotten totally out of control ! Can only imagine the day the verdict is given what it’s going to be like on these sites and in AZ!

            • it’s starting to get scary, my fear is that someone is going to get hurt, or worse if the minions don’t settle down.

        • Ditto!! My adult son has been pretty patient about my updates whenever I see him. He just gives me a hug.

  114. I wish there was something that could be done legally to curb some of this hatred crap. It is beyond comprehension how this is allowed to continue.

    I wish there was a way to do a class action lawsuit against HLN for the way they mislead and sensationalize, edit to insure they hurt Jodi and her family in such a terrible way.

    It seems criminal that they are allowed to ratchet up the one sided drumbeat of hatred in this trial when a human life is at stake and the jury is not sequestered.

    • I agree Rainy,

      Last night they openly declared on Dr Drew show that they are pro prosecution…like we didn’t know that already. What happened to innocent until proven guilty?

  115. I have heard it all now… Jodi sang the song “My Guy” at a karaoke bar, the minions are saying it was the perfect “Stalker” song, and posted the lyrics, “nothing you can do, cuz I’m stuck like glue to my guy!” Good Grief!!

    Now I have that song in my head!! LOL

    • I hope Jodi wasn’t singing about the rat TA. He was a terrible “my guy” for any young woman to be involved with. It’s such a cute song too! That someone could spin it into a stalker song, again, boggles my brain!

      Funny re Dr Pew … the openly declared they are pro pros???? YA THINK??? I guess they really are pitching their garbage to the very low informed viewer. One would have to be in a coma not to see how biased they are.

      I stopped watching any of them. They revolt me. This evening my husband had them on, on mute. I think it was JVM’s show – on the screen was a panel of wild eyed looking women – they looked high on crack – their mouths were moving as fast as they could yammer. They looked hysterically funny and sadly pathetic all at the same time.

      Do they not see how unflattering they come across? Do they think they are attractive? Or witty? They look insane as they bully this young woman. They’re old enough to be Jodi’s mom. She was only 26 when she met this asshole. They were both young. Do they not remember being young?

      Time for us to get to bed – with “my guy” swirling in our heads! Unless your heading out for a walk? Be safe! Goodnite 🙂

  116. The state page posted this:

    Would Travis like for you to open hate pages to boycott others?

    Don’t you think Mr Martinez is doing a good job? He will get Justice.

    Those who enable Jodi’s lies will face their own Justice.

    Look at Travis, he was a loving guy who wanted peace and success for everyone. He would be so sad to know that he might have caused hatred amongst others.

    So if you are on Team Travis, you will stop attacking others.

    Don’t let his death be the cause of hate speech and mob mentality. You will be banned.

    Take a break from here and go spend time with your loved ones.

    • they are asking their followers to calm down and back off harassing people after inciting riots on that page for 3 months now they ask everyone to step back and think of Travis

      I swear those admins have birds on their antennas

      • Oooh they are fighting amongst themselves. Telling people to boycott Dr Phil and there is an uprising by some, as well as the hate messages on amazon, people are rebelling.

    • TA was a loving guy??? Right,,,,I heard how loving he was.

      His 16 page IM vile rant should be sent to Hallmark for a special edition Valentines Day card line.

      • Rainy,
        I don’t get that at all. The talking heads keep saying
        where’s the abuse???
        Are they listening?
        He was anything but loving.

        I guess that the talking heads talk that way to the one that they love and are
        just ammuned to emotional abuse.
        How can anyone not see it. They are the ones hurting the abused AND
        of course want to blame it on anyone else. NEVER the media. You notice how defensive they get?

    • haha FB is threatening them to lose the page I guarantee it. I sent in a lot of U TUBE users info also about harassment I hope they all get banned it is out of hand right now an frankly I am sick of it.

      • I have reported the states page and know quite a few who have reported it to facebook as well. It is out of hand Rhonda and I think we are all sick of it. They are like cockroaches, they find any place to spew their hate and they don’t care who they are hurting.

    • “Those who enable Jodi’s lies will face their own Justice.”

      Ummmmm … who was the biggest liar of these two? What lies of JA’s are being enabled? She’s admitted she did him in. No lie there. She’s admitted she lied when first arrested. (Who wouldn’t??)

      TA would hold the title of “The Biggest Liar” if this was a true reality show. It’s been proven he was the liar. Jodi enabled him in his lies but he enabled himself the most as he used everyone any way he could.

  117. Oh yeah, they post no more hate, but they have a posting up comparing Jodi’s Mom to Cindy Anthony? WTH????

  118. Do these people who are making death threats that they are committing a crime? This is completely out of control. Are you kidding me to actually look up ALV book to simply write a scathing review. I’m doing something wrong in life, I just don’t have that kind of time to do that, but honestly wouldn’t think of it, let alone do it. It truly continues to amaze me the depraved lengths people go to. Isn’t a witness like ALV someone you usually root for in a trial? I’m pretty sure I know what the states witness is going to say, that’s why she is the states witness. I just don’t get it. I may not agree with what this prosecution witness will testify to, but how would that possibly give me the right to try and destroy her character, or challenge her education. I’m confused about how ALV’s is not “with it” or up to date on the issue of domestic violence. Maybe, I’m thinking “old school” but what is the difference between domestic violence from the 70’s,80’s,90’s, 2001,2013,2045. The abuse doesn’t change from physical through emotional. The perpetrator continues to hand out the violence in all the same ways. It doesn’t change. What has changed has been society’s understanding that this stuff happens behind closed doors everyday. Experts like ALV have been in the trenches bringing the abuse into the light to help educate society on this “dirty little secret”. I would really like to know specifically what about ALV’s ideas and ideals need to be modernized. It confuses me. When I started nursing 20 years ago, I did things a little differently than I do now, but the heart if my job is still the same there are fancier blood pressure cuffs, faster thermometers, more proficient heart monitors, but if all that was taken away and I utilized the same equipment from 20 years ago I would still be effective at my job. So maybe ALV doesn’t text, she picks up the phone to communicate. The outcome is the same. If your partner breaks your finger by kicking you, isn’t the abuse the same if they bent in back and broke it. You have a broken finger. You have been a victim of violence by your intimate partner. The person who broke the finger is the perpetrator. They have committed domestic violence. You are a victim of domestic violence.If the abuser has committed a crime, whether it has been reported or not. If your intimate partner calls you filthy,vile names consistently you have been verbally abused. They have committed verbal abuse. Since, they are intimate partners you are a victim if domestic violence. They commuted domestic violence. And so forth. I get that, you get that, so what is the difference? There is none. So, I don’t understand how to modernize that. Again, ALV is a man hater? I must have missed that part if testimony but I’m pretty sure ALV not only works with the victims, and yes some if them are men, but she also works with the perpetrator. I just don’t understand the people that were victims of domestic violence are so vicious towards her. It’s because of her and people like her this violence has been spot lighted. It’s like someone who is inflicted with AIDS through a blood transfusion in 1988 and someone who contracted AIDS in in 2008 through sex. Does that mean that the person who contracted it through sex that the disease is any different? Bottom line no matter what year they got it or how they got it its still the same deadly disease. Really saddened and a little pissed off.

    • Kimberly…couldn’t agree with you more.

      As far as ALV’s education goes…if you hold any professional license in the state of CA, which is where she practices, you have to show proof yearly of continuing education in order to stay current and maintain your license.

    • I don’t know Kimberly!
      People are getting rotten. If it doesn’t go their way, they throw tantrums.

      I’ve seen so many kids trying to do good for someone that is down, they get it.
      Yet the supposedly mature adults are people like I’ve never seen before.
      Maybe the kids could start teaching them.

      It has to start somewhere. The people on TV talk about serial killers as monsters, but they aren’t any better because they are the root of all of the hate.

    • Brilliantly written and very well said, Kimberly, thank you.

      And Kitty, as you said, she has to take CLE, as does Juan himself.

  119. I really want to do something to help Alyce. I just don’t know what. Perhaps her story should be brought to the attention of some credible organization. Are there any of those left? Maybe the NY times or the Washington post?

  121. I posted this site here earlier today. They help people who are being bullied in tweets, on FB, texts, and emails. I haven’t ever used them, but from what I’ve read, they’ve helped quite a few people. You click on bullyblast, the tab at the top of the page, and follow the instructions.
    http://www.bullyville.com/

  122. wow, I’m reading some of the texts that are posted on there, looks like from someone who was stalking Kate Gosselin, you know the kate +8 woman. It sounds like this psycho who was tweeting threats to her, and the people from bullyville.com where investigating her. Good for them! So there is an organization out there that will check on these loonies! bravo!! sounds like some of the haters out there need to be reported uh

  123. Just watched the trial on YouTube!

    Much better than HLN .All that I got out of jaun was him trying to learn the story of Snow White.
    People will remember the cross only as that.
    They will be trying to figure out how many dwarfs there were and their names.
    And what they had to do with this trial.

    I know there’s a lot more to go, and he will try to tear down LaViolette.
    He can’t do that.
    He’s already made a total fool of himself!

  124. I am totally confused and perhaps one of y’all can help me. I keep hearing reference to a 6 hour lon and 62 page long?? What? Emails, recordings? That show TA abusing Jodi, I havent seen it and dont know what it is. Also, where can i read the emails of TA’s. What was leaked to HLN? I am so sorry I went on vacation and tried but failed to keep up. Thanks in advance, Free jodi, I see her face and eyes and I know he abused her. I know he attacked her. I still believe she wants those pigs to like her. He actually threatened her by telling the Hughes on her? Who do they think they are. Thanks SJ for this awesome site! Thans to all the kind, smart posters here.

    • Patty,

      Seems like there was an exchange of text messages and IMs between TA and Jodi that lasted a period of about 6 hrs. Just the IMs cover over 16 pages of single spaced text.

      The full text of the IMs and a bunch of TAs emails have not been admitted in as direct evidence. The DV expert, Alyce LaViolette was allowed to testify to their content under the reasoning that she relied on them in coming to her decision as an expert. She could not directly quote from them, nor were they shown in court, however she could testify about their general content, and it showed a TA persona that is far from what people would want you to believe. The guy was anything but a virgin, had things going on with several women at the same time, was pretty graphic in his sexual demands, was in financial trouble and was extremely abusive to Jodi, including threatening her with painful punishments etc.

      So these texts, emails and IMs just go to show that the stuff we heard in the phone sex tape was not an isolated aberration, but in fact just another slice of a continuous pattern. In fact the sex tape stuff was fairly benign compared to some of the stuff in the emails, etc.

      I haven’t been able to find copies of these communications anywhere, so maybe they haven’t been leaked yet, but that may be coming.

  125. I have sat here for days reading post and watching the trial. I have cried, I have laugh, I have screamed…..I have looked at Jodi and my heart hurt so much for her. Reading some of your posts has brought back some memory’s that have been hidden away deep within my mind. I cry!!!!

    I understand why there is so much contempt for Travis. But I do not wish him dead. I do not hope he rots in hell. I do not hold any animosity for his siblings. They are living a nightmare everyday they are in court just as Jodi has. They have been feed a lie….they need to have someone to hate. They have not even begone to go though the steps of grieving as of yet….. I hope they will and come through it with a loving heart and a better understanding of what this trial is truly about. I do hope that they will seek help because they also

    lived it that home.

    I will never believe that Jodi acted alone. But the truth will come out as I have said before.

    If one stops and thinks about it, we are a nation that has just in the last few years started focusing on bulling. Why is it not called what it truly is? ABUSIVE BEHAVIOUR. Today’s bullies are the men and women that grow up to be abusers. They also have leaned this behavior from their homes.

    Hopefully now that we are doing something about bullies we will perhaps stop some of the abuse in the next generation.

    Why do you think the haters hate? Why do you think they will not listen or open their eyes to WHAT Al has been talking about for days?

    Do any of you think perhaps that they can not deal with the truth about themselves?

    This trial God willing will not be about a your girl who murder her ex-boy friend…it is about abuse.

    FOOTNOTE: The reason Juan M. refers to himself as the prosecutor is to separate Juan the man from the job he does. I agree there is something wrong with that man……..But for this time and place in time I do not like the Prosecutor. But I do enjoy it when AL addresses him as Mr. Martinez….his true abusive ways can not hid behind a tittle..

    So now with each passing day Will relive our own story’s through Jodi’s. I only pray that the jury will see as we see the truth. If they do they will set her free and let her start her own road to recovery.

    Jodi, we all stand beside you!!!!

    • Great post Cindy. Very heartfelt too.

      I completely agree with you about Travis, and though he was not a very savory person, I don’t believe anyone should want the death of another person. And whether or not he was on good terms with his family at the time of his death they did go through a very tough childhood together and his death has to be heart rending to them. A bunch of them seem to have risen out of that miasma to become productive citizens. I bet they believed that so had Travis, and this daily public tearing down of that fictional persona has got to be extremely painful. It has to hurt to realize that one of your siblings was in fact a terrifying person. So all I wish for them is peace of mind and some sort of closure.

      I agree that JM refers to himself as the Prosecutor to distance himself from the job he does. But his is a complex personality. His super-aggressive tactics may in fact reflect a certain insecurity. I think he’s fighting a bunch a bugaboos including, from what I gather an early life as the youngest of many kids of an immigrant family, his ethnicity, which during his youth made up a much smaller percentage of the people in his state than it does now, his stature, etc. This is also why he’s so into the public adulation.

        • Nope, no pass, but I think that explains it. He seems to be very sensitive to what he perceives as a slight. For instance when ALV asked him if he was angry, and the crowd burst out laughing, most people would have made some sort of self deprecating remark and carried on. Instead JM exploded.

    • AWESOME post Cindy! I feel as you do too about Travis and his family. I also sure in hell would not want any harm to come to the Alexander siblings as well. I know this trial is bringing out some VERY raw emotions but its sure comforting to know that people like you Cindy are upholding such good and honorable things such as, human decency, compassion, respect, dignity, and good ole common sense!

      • Thanks Tony….I try to look at life at all sides. I also was abused and I could have been sitting just where Jodi is today. I keep repeating the saying…children learn what they live….No one should like Travis actions he was a conflicted young man……now the question that I have seen posted on this site is Why the Huges (sp) didn’t do anything about Travis…..Travis made allot of money for them….why do you think they are acting like they are today. I personal just wanted to bitch Slap her silly…condescending little bitch sitting up there lying and smiling at Jodi. I just have this gut feeling that she and Travis had a thing going on……

        I do have a moment or two of not so niceness…lol

  126. Just thought I’d post a bunch of thoughts at the end of the list.

    DeMartes qualifications.

    When I was in Graduate School my advisor used to say something that has stuck with me: ” A school has been successful if its Bachelor’s program graduates can understand there is a whole bunch of stuff they don’t know, Its Master’s Program Graduates can quantify what they don’t know and realize that maybe you can get the answers at the library, and its PhDs know how to get the info at the library”. I now run an engineering company and I consider a person to be a subject matter expert if they have a PhD and about 15 years of experience or a BS and about 20 years of experience. The MS’s just sorta hang around.

    So with a PhD and 3 years of experience she’s just a young pup. Hasn’t learnt to lift her leg yet if you get what I mean.

    I also went over to the Michigan State web site to see what a PhD in Clinical Psychology entailed in terms of real experience (as in the practicum). Turns out they have a pretty loose set of requirements for a PhD. In essence each student tailors their own program with very few mandatory requirements. The mandatory requirements are a comprehensive exam, a handful of courses and a minimum requirement of handling 12 clients (over 3 years) under the supervision of a licensed psychologist and completing 10 evaluations during the course of their program.

    By contrast my PhD required 60 credits of course work in my major, a departmental minor (i.e. a graduate level minor in one other field in engineering 18 credits), a graduate minor in one of the physical sciences, 18 credits (Math, Physics or chemistry), a written comprehensive exam in my major and another in my departmental minor, an oral qualifier exam in my major and both minors, and a dissertation that was based on peer reviewed original research. We then had to defend our thesis in front of a board of experts, which had to include at least one member from a different university and excluded our thesis adviser.

    I know everyone thinks their degree is tougher, but I must say our PhDs seem a lot more rigorous than these Psych. PhDs. Also even though they can claim all these years of experience through the practicum, it seems rather ho hum, in essence they’ve seen 12 patients and done 10 evaluations.

    In fact I think a Psych PhD is the equivalent of a MS and about 2 years of experience.

    I think the good Dr DeMartes’ experience will be torn to shreds on the stand.

    Moving on to law degrees.

    Law degrees in the US are actually named bassackwards. In the rest of the world what we call a JD is called an LLB. The JD is a professional doctorate sort of like an MD. It is not the equivalent of a PhD. In the US the next two steps in law degrees are the LLM (masters) and the JSD (which is the equivalent of a PhD). The number of folks who actually get JSDs is about the same as those who get PhDs in the sciences. So in fact Juan’s JD requires somewhat less academic exercise than a PhD in psychology.

    • Al, thank you for that information. I’ve been wondering how Dr. DeMartes PhD actually measures up to Ms. LaViolette’s MS and her wealth of experience in the field.

      My sense was that JM was trying to imply that Ms. Laviolette’s education was not as rigorous and out-dated, which we know it is not. In order to maintain her license in the state of CA a person must show proof of X number of hours in continuing education, which I am sure is true in other states.

      Thanks again for clarifying.

      • Yes, it is true. BTW although Mich. State is a good school it is not the best in Mich. But as we all know or should know it is the experience that really is needed here….I would never want my life to be in the hands of someone who had such little experience.

        We will see how personable Dr. DeMartes comes acrossed. I think that JM is very concered about it… We have to remember the people on the jurgy come from all walks of life….

    • An M.D. and a J.D. aren’t equivalent doctorates to a Ph.D., which is basically a research/teaching degree for post-secondary teaching.

      They are PROFESSIONAL degrees and required to practice a certain field of endeavor.

      It’s like education degrees or nursing degrees or pharmacy degrees or veterinary degrees.

      They aren’t inferior degrees, they are just different degrees.

      I get really pissed off when people start saying their degrees are more rigorous than others. Math and science aren’t indicators of genius, by the way. Many people who may excel in those fields can come up short in other endeavors.

      • Furthermore, the ONLY correct use of the term “doctor” outside of academia is reserved for those in the medical profession (DDS, MD, DVM, etc.).

      • Wow, didn’t mean to get you all riled up.

        The point I was trying to make as I did with the law degrees is that there are doctorates that are professional degrees such as MDs and JDs and that the psych PhD belongs in that class. These are basic degrees required to practice that profession, as opposed to PhDs in other fields such as the sciences and engineering which are truly advanced degrees, not necessary for practicing you chosen profession, but in fact advanced levels of education. And by the way not necessarily reserved for educators. In fact most engineering PhDs don’t teach, but are practicing engineers.

        In that respect, some PhDs are in fact more rigorous curricula.

        More over I think you are wrong about the term Dr being reserved for those in the academe or medical professions. In fact scientists, engineers, economists etc, who have a PhD are standardly and correctly addressed as Dr. Their names may be written as John Doe, PhD, as opposed to Dr. John Doe but they are addressed as Dr. John Doe.

        A Math or Science PhD may not be an indicator of genius and is no guarantee of excellence in all fields, just as no single qualification or lack thereof is an indication of any person as a whole. However, and advanced degree, in any field, is definitely an indication of perseverance, dedication and a certain amount of intellectual acumen. That is not to say that the absence of that degree shows a lack of those qualities, it just means that the presence of those advanced degrees definitely shows a presence of those qualities.

        Lastly, like it or not, some courses of study are definitely more rigorous than others. That’s just a fact of life. Again, the lack of that degree doesn’t mean that one is less capable, it just means that having that degree shows a certain capability.

      • I hear you, tonysam….my ex in college used to always talk about how his math degree was superior to my pysch degree and how the fact that my GPA was higher didn’t mean anything because his coursework was harder (his mother actually came up with that gem). It was so disrespectful and untrue. I worked DAMN hard for my degree.

        • Women are now also the majority of college graduates too! Matriachal rule cannot come soon enough for me!!!!:-)lol

    • Al, a Ph.D. in Clinical Psychology can be just as rigorous as your Ph.D. in Engineering. It depends on the program. Some programs are evidence-oriented. Others are not. My program also required 60 credits and the other requirements you mentioned. Young clinicians often are not adept in evaluation and diagnosis in complex cases, especially if they don’t have strong intuitive awareness. Even so, it takes years of experience to use clinical intuition in a constructive manner.

  127. On HLN the blonde woman lawyer, don’t know her name, was just saying that Juror 5 had told the judge she spoke to everyone on the jury, how they have this info I have no idea, but WTH She has tainted everyone, but my question is, how many jurors spoke back to her? And they are saying that #5 was also pro prosecution.

    • I am not worried, the rest of the jury, or at least a few, will recognize that #5 is not quite right in the head. I’m not sure how she made it on the jury to begin with.

      Appeal fodder!

  128. I as a believer of our rights described in the Constitution of the United States ……I therefor do not believe that Jodi’s rights have not been meant. This Judge should be removed from the bench for violating the constitutional rights to a fair trial for Jodi.

    ABC.NEWS

    “This case must be tried in the courtroom, not in the media,” defense attorney Kirk Nurmi told Judge Sherry Stephens while the jury was out of the courtroom.

    “The court asks the question of the jurors every morning, ‘Have you seen anything on the media?’ No one raises their hand… To believe that to be true is to believe an absolute fiction. It is a fairytale to assume that this jury is not hearing any of this. It is all over the news, be it local or national,” Nurmi said.

    Clearly angry, Nurmi added, “It is a fiction that is beyond belief.”

    The lawyer said the information was being released by the prosecutor’s office and it was damaging Arias’ right to a fair trial.

    “I’m asking the court to no longer rely on this fiction that this jury is not seeing any of this media and sequester the jury immediately,” Nurmi said.

    The judge rejected the motion.

    • The handling of possible prejudicial press coverage is really biased towards the presumption of proper behavior on the part of the jury.

      Here’s a paper that covers this in detail.

      http://scholarship.law.wm.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2648&context=wmlr

      You will notice, that for the most part the standard is that if the jury says they didn’t do it, the judge pretty much takes them at their word and it is the moving party’s responsibility to show that real bias did in fact occur. This sort of flys in the face of common sense, but that is how the courts tend to look at it.

      • I just had a vision of a Mormon talking to a Bishop an saying he was a “Virgin” still but he had only anal sex an oral which was not sex……………..so everyone is not the same as thinking in their heads as too what is right an what is wrong. An I am thinking ok every day the JUDGE asks the jurors the same question an she see’s no hands ?

        But talked to individually they are telling on Jury #5 ? so on the days she asked the question why were there no hands ? they are some in there that are not to smart an believing they are doing right but have shown some of us thinkers that same are NOT BEING TRUTHFUL !

    • I find it hard to believe this judge actually thinks that what is going on in her court is acceptable. I wonder if she has looked at all at the hateful and even threatening entries on the Internet, not only to Jodi but members of her family, friends, and witnesses. I wonder, too, if she has watched the news and observed, herself, the amounts of misinformation and distortion, or otherwise absolutely ridiculous info on this trial that is being reported as newsworthy or factual to the public. I also wonder if she thinks anything at all is wrong with how Juan Martinez acts in her courtroom or if she feels intimidated by him and his influence in the state, feeling that the powers to be highly support him since he wins so many cases, so that she would be rocking the boat if she goes against him in any way. Another theory is that she might put up with his antics because she likes JM, personally, and is friendly with him, in which case,another judge should have been put on this case that might have been more objective and supportive of respectful and professional conduct in the courtroom.

      What this trial comes down to involves a number of issues and challenges. For one, in this age of advanced communications technology and media entertainment, we need to more effectively define what constitutes a fair trial in the US, especially in cases where a) ordinary citizens non-voluntarily develop celebrity status and become a part of for-profit reality television and b) prosecutors, juries, spectators, and others may ultimately play more to the camera and court theatre antics as well as “fans,” to increase careers and lucrative money opportunities, etc. rather than focus on their need to uphold provisions of a fair trial.

      From the very beginning of the trial, many media outlets and entertainment shows had already concluded Jodi was guilty. At least one anti-Jodi book had already been started and publicized and at least one film is in the making. While these can have significant revenue potential as well as entertainment value, one is left to ponder the need to make all that happens in this trial fit into the preconceived notions that Jodi is guilty evil, etc. This can make it necessary to ultimately focus on anything that makes Jodi fit the preconceived picture, even if it means consciously or subconsciously distorting, downplaying, or overlooking any evidence at all that factually supports Jodi.

      For another issue, the media has responsibility in complying appropriately with the public’s right to know. The public learns about murder cases, as, just for example, the Petersons and Andrea Yates trials, by what they hear or read about that goes on in the courtroom, with news reports and drawings of the courtroom scenes, or from televised testimony from parts of trials. The public also reads comments on the Internet and listens to talk shows, television shows, etc.

      We have always had high-profile murder cases, and there have always been nasty comments one way or other on the Internet as well as opinions shared on television shows, but not to the extent as now. There are many cases involving heinous murders and torture and killings of even several or more people that have angered the public and made the death penalty highly desired; however, there has never been the media coverage, bias, and plain ugliness and unfairness demonstrated in this case.

      The media has been responsible for taking an ordinary citizen accused of a terrible murder and developing her into a most notorious celebrity as her trial progresses. For Jodi Arias, the media has not only developed a demonized persona from the beginning of the trial, but it has helped create a fan base and increased publicity and exposure for a very aggressive prosecutor, unfairly allowed members of Jodi’s family and witnesses for the defense to feel the impact of public hatred fueled by the media, and may even allow a juror turned spectator, enjoying national attention, to possibly enjoy financial opportunities as well.

      Jod’s trial will end soon, so HLN will no longer have her to exploit for ratings and profit. However, seeing how profitable the trial has been, they, like other media sources, will want to continue to latch on to other high profile cases to exploit. Such may be the fate of George Zimmerman who may become the next hated villain and notorious national “celebrity” to market and sell the public on. HLN and other stations have already begun laying the groundwork for the picture it plans to paint, including expanding racist undertones, which doesn’t have to be true to generate the huge ratings they expect.

      It is time that the powers to be really look at the media’s responsibility in supporting the public’s right to know and to recognize the damage they can cause to innocent people, including witnesses.Hopefully we have come beyond the times when people were killed for sport and entertainment that satisfied the masses. Gladiators lost their lives in arenas where people cheered them on to battle to their death and Christians were thrown to lions at the delight of the masses. Even if someone is convicted and sentenced to death, no one should ever be overjoyed..

      The public is right in making life sacred; any murder is a terrible event and may say more about our society’s needs than we realize. However, while there are issues involved in how a murderer should pay that the states decide, it is a well-known fact that innocent people have been put to death or overcharged in unfair trials where the need to get a guilty verdict has outweighed the need to have done a more thorough investigation as well as avoid the use of tactics that prevent the truth from emerging. Today, not only do we have challenges in the courtroom that can interfere with implementation of a fair trail but we have a media with increasing influence that often does more to entertain and sell its products than to inform or factually educate the public. The media has the power and influence to do a tremendous public service, but unfortunately today it often decides for the public how it should think, presenting only one side of a story that meets its’ political, entertainment-oriented, and profit-related agendas and does not bring out the best in people, emotionally or intellectually. The coverage of this trial is, unfortunately, no exception.

      • I really don’t think the judge cares. The minimum required by law is she ask the jury if they had seen or heard something and she does that and checks off a box on some check list. That covers her.

        Most of the press has gone over to the tabloid side. Was a time where most news outlets were genuine news providers and we had a handfull of tabloids with gossip or stories of grasshoppers the size of deer and martians in the White House etc.

        Most newspapers got their hard news from either reporters or agencies such as Reuters and AP who had no axe to grind.

        Now this 24 hr news cycle and ratings craze has led to this atrocious situation. HLN belongs to CNN who claim to be the world’s premium news outlet.

    • Some of these hateful, bigoted people will stop at nothing to ruin someone’s life, career. They are miserable human beings who hate themselves and find pleasure in hurting others.

      • Oh good grief. That is completely ridiculous. What is next? Those sites are for book reviews, not “voicing their opinions”. Buy her book, read it, then review it. Her testimony in this case has nothing to do with her book.

    • Although a few people did tell her to take it down as it was a violation of the sites policy, so…..

    • What gets me is they have the audacity to post it on an open social media site just what they are doing.

      This is harassment!

      I don’t shop at Barnes & Noble, but do they have report review feature as well?

  131. DOES anyone know the legal/technical reason why KN & JW can’t obtain an injunction from judge stephens, prohibiting the [deliberate] release of all relevant material by the county in Jodi’s trial, at least for the duration of the trial ?

    I know of the freedom of information act, FOIA, but i know little about it. That’s probably the Act governing the release of the material.

    Maybe someone would research it, especially the ability of a judge to grant an injunction in the interests of justice ?

    On that topic, since the case is in Arizona, are there federal, and parallel state FOIAs ?

    It’s a jurisdiction question ie does arizona have a FOIA which would be controlling in this matter ?

    IN any event, surely Judge Stephens has the legal authority to intervene, and grant an injunction, at least temporarily, for the duration of the trial, to avoid the extremely high real risk that such releases, as those vicious scum, JM etc, are doing, could effectively negate Jodi’s right to a FAIR trial in this capital case ?

    OBVIOUSLY, the county, including JM and his co-conspirators, know they’ve lost the case, and this is thereby but a last ditch effort to force KN & JW to spend precious time dealing with these releases.

    Finally, and peripherally, if such releases were made for this improper purpose by these conspirators, wouldn’t such be felonies by JM and his co-conspirators ?

    • JM said this was due to something like a public information request or something. So I’m guessing AZ has some sort of FOIA. However, I wonder whether that should apply for a case in trial?

      • I caught a short piece of a hearing regarding the release of certain information to the media. It was not aired ( that I know of). I do know several different media request were made that day.

  132. ****FYI****

    I did just pop over to Amazon.com and there are still 394 negative comments on ALV book. I don’t know if they are new, but I thought I read that Amazon removed all the negative/false comments regarding the trial. Like I said, perhaps these are new ones. Isn’t there a way they can just disable the comment completely until the trial is over?

    I just feel this is unjust and ridiculously unfair and an assassination of her. Personally and professionally. Isn’t there also a way for someone in the IT field to track the IP addresses of all those that did leave HATE comments unfairly?

    I’m just terribly upset over this and if I had the nerve I would say something on the Justice for Travis page, but my name and face would show up via my Facebook avatar and to be quite honest, I’m too scared to do so. 🙁

    • I does appear that Amazon has disabled the comments for her most recently published book that came out on April 23, 2012. It’s the 2000 release date book that is being bombarded with the negative comments now.

      So……I guess someone (WE) need to contact them regarding that book as well. Hmmmpht. 🙁

  133. Hi All-

    Just went to Barnes and Noble and lodged a complaint about the vile book reviews given by the Pro TA crazies. I also gave the book a five star review. It would be great if all of you could do the same. This ridiculous campaign by the crazies must be stopped in the market place. They have plenty of other not so savory places to spew thier vile nonsense. If you are a consumer, please let these businesses know it will not be tolerated by their normal customers.
    Thanks

    • I sent amazon another email last night, because I saw the hateful reviews. They have posted the hate on all listings her of book. amazon needs to turn off the review feature on her books until things settle down.

      This is bullying at it’s finest, I’ve never seen the likes of it. We teach our children bullying is wrong, yet adults are doing this? Pathetic!

      • Apparently, the media isn’t helping (although I cringe calling this site “media”):

        http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2013/04/jodi-arias-domestic-violence-expert-accused-of-cashing-in/

        “Domestic violence expert Alyce LaViolette, who is reportedly being paid $300 an hour to testify, is using the high-profile case to promote her book, It Could Happen To Anyone: Why Battered Women Stay, which not-so coincidentally is being republished in its third edition on April 23 — just in time to profit from the publicity of the trial.

        LaViolette’s blatant cashing in on the grisly June 2008 death of Alexander has disgusted many genuine victims of domestic violence, who have accused her of “selling her soul to the devil.””

        http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2013/04/jodi-arias-domestic-violence-expert-accused-of-cashing-in/

        This is sooooo maddening. There is NO way that ALV could have known this trial would occur to coincide with her book release. She signed on to this trial in 2011. It was supposed to go to trial then. This is insanity.

        • I wonder if bullyville.com could help, this is bigger than we are. We can go and report hateful reviews on amazon.com and barnes & noble, we can report hate on youtube, but this is getting to the point where we can’t do damage control, it’s everywhere.

          Thoughts anyone?

          • exactly gail, i think they might be able to help. ALV should also contact them, they actually release information on who’s behind it, by what I’ve read.

      • Apparently, the media isn’t helping (although I cringe calling this site “media”):

        http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2013/04/jodi-arias-domestic-violence-expert-accused-of-cashing-in/

        “Domestic violence expert Alyce LaViolette, who is reportedly being paid $300 an hour to testify, is using the high-profile case to promote her book, It Could Happen To Anyone: Why Battered Women Stay, which not-so coincidentally is being republished in its third edition on April 23 — just in time to profit from the publicity of the trial.

        LaViolette’s blatant cashing in on the grisly June 2008 death of Alexander has disgusted many genuine victims of domestic violence, who have accused her of “selling her soul to the devil.””

        This is sooooo maddening. There is NO way that ALV could have known this trial would occur to coincide with her book release. She signed on to this trial in 2011. It was supposed to go to trial then. This is insanity.

  134. KM’S BEHAVIOR TOWARDS AL

    JUDGE STEPHENS PERMITS THE FOLLOWING

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_objections_(law)

    List of objections (law)

    This is a list of objections in American law:[1]

    Badgering: counsel is antagonizing the witness in order to provoke a response, either by asking questions without giving the witness an opportunity to answer or by openly mocking the witness.

    • OOPS TYPO :O

      INCORRECTLY TYPED AS “KM” …. SHOULD’VE BEEN “JM”

      SHOWING AVAILABLE LEGAL EVIDENTIARY OBJECTION TO JM’S IMPROPER BEHAVIOR WHEN CROSS EXAMINING AL …. SHE’S GREAT !!!

      HERE’S HOW IT HAPPENED >>>

      J AND K ARE ADJACENT KEYS ON THE KEYBOARD

  136. Happy weekend, everyone. Turning attention away from haters and Amazon reviews and Juror #5 and Juanzo Bizarro and the Seven Dwarves….

    Last night my girlfriend and I were discussing the case. She isn’t following it closely – she mostly gets her info from me, since I have nothing better to do. 🙂 And she brought up something that has had me thinking, as well, and I wanted to see what you all thought.

    Her sticking point, as is mine, is the gun.

    It’s really the prosecution’s ONLY evidence of premeditation, and it’s questionable since it’s not been proven that Jodi stole the gun. But, let’s face it, it’s an INCREDIBLE coincidence that a gun went missing from her home (and not much else was missing), and just weeks later she used a gun of the very same caliber to kill TA. Especially troubling, to me, is the fact that the defense has presented no corroborating evidence that TA ever owned a gun. (I would have liked it if they had – maybe they still will, but I haven’t heard that.)

    What are the odds of that happening? How do we explain that?

    We then got into a discussion of when a killing in self-defense becomes “premeditated”. Let’s say you knew someone prone to violence. You thought they could change, but you were still afraid. You began to carry a gun to protect yourself. And one day, while you were at their house, they became violent and attacked you, and you pulled out your gun and shot them. Is that premeditated murder, or self-defense? In my mind, it’s completely justified, but I don’t know the legalities.

    I’d like to hear what others have to say. Like I say, I think this is the only “evidence” that the prosecution has of premeditation. And while I don’t believe a word of the rest of their cockamamie theory, this, to me, is the big hurdle that the jury is going to have to jump if Jodi has a hope of being found not guilty.

    Please discuss. 🙂

    • If your GF isn’t following the trial closely, then her points are less than invalid.
      There is no “evidence” of pre-med.

      SJ
      Team Jodi

          • You’re not the only one who had a comment scrubbed in the last few minutes. I posted some information from another site – one that made a feeble attempt to discredit Alyce for something that happened 21 years ago. Something that had to do with a colleague’s indiscretion that indirectly affected Alyce.

            Thoughts why my post was removed:

            1. Obviously, someone thought that I was wrong to post it.
            2. Maybe they thought that Alyce had misrepresented herself and they wanted to protect her.
            3. Perhaps they thought Nurmi and Willcott didn’t do their job by checking out Alyce fully.

            Personally, I think Alyce, Nurmi & Willmott have been great and all are doing an excellent job. I wouldn’t do anything to damage/discredit any of them .

            • Hi coldcase,

              We don’t encourage anyone to copy & paste multiple paragraphs from hater/BS pages here in the site. That’s the only reason it was removed. Direct links to pages are usually ok, within reason, but not chunks of content.

              SJ
              Team Jodi

    • The prosecution hasn’t proven she stole the gun or brought a gun with her. The burden of proof isn’t on the defense.

    • Yea Michael, they CANT prove she took and used the grandparents gun, as much as they CANT prove TA had a gun. So its right in the middle. To me, the gun is out of the question, afterall, the gun ISNT what killed TA. It goes back to, why bring a gun to a knife fight?????

      • Exactly. And we know the prosecution changed its order of the use of the gun and the knife right before the trial.

        Furthermore, the body was so decomposed when found there is no way at all to definitively prove whether the gunshot came before or after the stab wounds. It wouldn’t have been fatal anyway.

      • You’re absolutely correct – neither side can prove what happened to the grandparents’ gun, or whether or not Travis had a gun. In my opinion, the testimony of the gun being stolen from the grandparents’ house should never have been admitted, since there is NO evidence that Jodi took it. But it was, and the prosecution STRONGLY implied, just by including the testimony, that Jodi did it and used that gun in the killing. The bell has been rung.

        I don’t think it’s relevant to the issue of premeditation whether the gun or the knife ultimately killed him. If she brought the gun with her, according to the prosecution, she premeditated. I don’t AGREE with them, but it is the hurdle that the jury is being asked to jump.

        • I honestly think if Jodi had taken the gun she would have just admitted it, she already admitted she bought a gun later for protection, which people have twisted.

          I believe it is totally a coincidence…

          Let’s face it. Travis had enemies who have not shown their faces. No way a guy goes around like that behaving in that manner without someone’s brother or father getting pissed off at him, not to mention the PPL group.

          If prosecution had the gun and it was confirmed as her grandfather’s THAT would be evidence…as it is, it is not evidence.

          Some of the evidence they do have also has not been scrutinized to my satisfaction either…how many points did the sliver of her left palm print match? Did they only compare it to hers?

          • Oh and might I add that the palm print is NOT evidence of premed, as we all know.

              • and like Jose Baez said during Vinnie Politan’s mock trial two weeks ago……you just have to follow the physical evidence…and the physical evidence shows what Jodi Arias has said all along….

                Jose even went on to demonstrate about the palm print…he said there would have been a struggle and as she went down her hand touched the wall down low….

          • What I don’t get about the prosecutions case is this presentation of Jodi as a sort of bipolar criminal.

            So she’s smart enough to do all this pre-planning. But she’s dumb enough to stage a theft at her grandparents, so that now the police have a record of the stolen gun and then use the gun in a murder.

            Maybe its a double psyche. Like, well they know, and I know so they won’t think I will so I will use it.

            Now I know why we’re talking about Snow White. It’s Fairy tale time.

            • Oh boy AL …..I think they have truly insulted people who are truly bipolar. I have had friends and a nephew who were/are bipolar….never have any of them been violent.

              I could be wrong and I would have to have someone show me a case study. Extreme high’s, extreme lows. Very intelligent. If they are a threat to anyone it is them selves….

              • Sorry Cindy, didn’t mean to offend anyone. Probably a insensitive use of the term. I was using the term bipolar in the vernacular sense, where people use it to reflect two polar opposite behaviors.

                I just meant that the prosecution would have us believe that she was alternating between being very smart and very dumb.

                Sorry again, no offense meant.

              • I did take it as an insult though I do know how it was being used. I just hate that word being thrown around. But thank you Cindy for bringing that up and pointing that out that it could insult people who truly have Bipolar Disorder. Also thanks Cindy for pointing out we are more likely to harm ourselves rather than that hurt others. Of course even if she did have it which I do not think she does it is a case of abuse and self defense.

            • Hypothically speaking Al,

              What if she truly does have MPD….. One personality would do one thing, and the other another…

              . My daughter thoughts

            • Yes please do not use the word Bipolar in those terms. I know you meant on two ends of the spectrum. I have Bipolar Disorder and I work so hard to fight the stigma and using it in any other way causes confusion with some that know little about it. Last week I was told her parents were throwing that around and I had to deal with that. I wished that they would change the disorders name again because some use it so loosely now. Such as oh she is so moody she must be Bipolar. Sorry you hit a big nerve of mine. Just glad ALV addressed that issue on the stand.

        • I just don’t know why Jodi would steal a gun that could be traced back to her grandfather, and therefore her, if she was premeditating a murder. If she’s this crafty, deviant sociopath that the prosecution is painting her out to be, wouldn’t she be smart enough to use an untraceable weapon? I know that Grandpa’s gun wasn’t registered but there was an active police report about its theft.

          I hope the defense brings in the fact that the stolen gun was loaded with hollow point bullets but Travis apparently wasn’t shot with one since he still had a head (sorry to be graphic).

        • The defense doesn’t have to prove squat. If that is what they are implying, it’s up to the prosecution to prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, that the weapon used by at TAs was the one stolen at the Grandparents house. Other than that its just innuendo.

    • Michael L.,

      I’ve thought a lot about the gun. Up until about a month ago, I thought it was too much of a coincidence too. Now I think differently.

      I used to think that there were so many things pointing TOWARD premeditation, and the gun was just the icing on the cake. Now, as the trial has gone on, I find myself on this site (LOL) because so many things point AWAY from premeditation, in fact, everything does. Well, except the gun. But when I consider that everything else points away from premeditation, I have to consider what the defense might say about the gun more carefully.

      For one thing, there were many burglaries in Yreka in the weeks surrounding Jodi’s grandparents’ burglary.

      Another thing is that .25s are very common guns. I read that on the internet. I read that they’re the most commonly used guns for home protection.

      Travis Alexander’s mother had a gun. I believe he wrote about it on his blog. That his mother shot up his father’s car one time and then his father chased her with an ax. Good Lord. Anyway, both of Travis’ parents have passed away. What happened to that gun? Did Travis have it?

      Also, I don’t know if you saw the video of Travis out shooting with his friends where they’re out in the desert shooting assault rifles. Travis’ friend who organized these trips claims Travis didn’t own a gun and had to borrow one to go shooting. Well, I think he had to borrow an assault rifle because he didn’t have one of those, but that doesn’t mean he didn’t have a .25 at home.

      The thing is, only some of this has been brought up in front of the jury. So I don’t know what they’re thinking about the gun, but personally, I think it IS just a coincidence that a gun was stolen from Jodi’s grandparents. I wish the people who stole the gun would do the right thing and come forward TODAY, but I know that will never happen.

      • Great post…Ok when they were questoning Jodi’s dad he stated her grandfather had a 22 gun not a 25. Ok I have no idea how old the grandparents are God bless them, perhaps grandpa could have been mistaken….

        I know we are way past that now….just a thought.

        • There was a photo posted on here a few days ago. It showed the “gun cabinet” In Jodi’s grandparents house. You could clearly see a box of .22 bullets (and .20 caliber/gauge bullets) but no .25 caliber bullets. I tried last night for 2 hours to find that photo without success. Does anyone have that photo? I believe the police reported there were 3 other guns/rifles(?) in the cabinet but they didn’t describe them (as far as I know).

          • If the police had described the weapons in the house and none of them were a .22 caliber pistol (or .22 caliber rifle even), you’d have to wonder why .22 caliber bullets were in the cabinet? Where did the .22 caliber weapon go?

            Wouldn’t that be something if the stolen gun was actually a .22 caliber pistol (like Jodi’s father said) instead of a .25 caliber pistol (like Jodi’s grandfather said). I read some place that the grandfather didn’t know much about guns.

            • Yes! That would be something INCREDIBLE!

              It would make sense that the grandfather’s relative may have purchased the gun through a place where it would have been recorded. even if they did not currently have the serial number I know from personal experience that a dealer or someone with an FFL will have a log somewhere of the person and the gun that was sold.

              A sale from person to person would not necessarily be documented

              Could they not try looking up the relative somehow and see if there was a NICS check or something?

              Why does my little voice tell me that the defense has not checked into this aspect?

              ARRGGHHH I wish I could hire them a PI…

                • Good for you, BeeCee. I can see a box of .22 caliber bullets (top box beside the bottle) and .20 caliber – or it might be more .22 caliber – bullets (black box). It’s not a very clear photo if it’s police photo, is it?

                • BeeCee, thank you for finding this. I read the 2 boxes as 22 caliber mag V max bullets.

                  So is i possible the grandfathers gun was NOT a 25 caliber or maybe it is a typo or grandpa stated 25 to PD and was incorrect? Or did he have other guns that used 22 caliber? I thought I read that grandpa didn’t use the guns. He was older and may have misspoke.

                  It is also odd during the interrogation JA’s dad says the grandfathers’ gun was a 22 caliber…?

                  This stuff about grandpa’s gun should never of been allowed into the case!

              • Yes, we need someone like Kalinda in “The Good Wife.” I believe the cousin, Norman Blowers, is dead. I understand the gun was old but don’t really know how old. I don’t think we even know if Norman was the original owner of the gun. Still, you would think if there was a serious attempt to find information on the gun, someone might be able to find some information.

                BeeCee, what exactly is a NIC check? Do you think there’s a possibility of tracing the gun through NIC?

                • http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/nics

                  this is what licensed gun dealers use to run a check on someone before they sell a gun. then they have to keep a log of it.

                  I just checked with my source. In this case the serial number is not available and normally an ATF trace is done with a serial number. however, in theory, since a serial trace gives the name of the owner/purchaser, then there should be a way to do a name trace. My source cannot do this. This would need to be done by the defense. They would need to do a lookup of the relative’s name.

                  Now, if the grandpa’s relative (I can’t remember who is was) purchased the gun privately, then they may be no record of the purchase. Or, if the relative purchased a .22, it wouldn’t 100% confirm that he didn’t also purchase a .25 also.

                  This is something the defense should look out for with JM’s underhanded tactic of bringing up evidence at the last minute. I saw a posting somewhere regarding someone finding a .25 near the hoover dam. If that gun were found and the prosecution was given the gun, they could do a search of that gun’s serial number. If it came up to someone Travis knew, they would never bring the gun into evidence. If it came up to grandpa’s relative, then they would.

              • I DO wish Jodi had money to pay for her own investigations. What a difference that would make! Boy.

              • BeeCee,

                They actually have a PI. One is required for every DP defense. This guy just doesn’t seem to have done very much. Probably a typical Government lowest bid contractor.

                • oh, thanks Al. i think I could do a better job than whomever they have hired for her case.

              • BeeCee,

                I’ve also read many times in people’s comments that the bullets Jodi’s grandfather had were hollow points, but the bullet used on June 4th was NOT a hollow point. (I suppose that’s in the police report of the burglary and then maybe in Flores’ police report.)

            • That is a good possibility. Of course Flores would immediately say “No, it was a .25” rather than consider that Grandpa was mistaken and Jodi’s dad was right about it being a .22.

              • Flores’ interview techniques are the worst.

                I don’t know how he made detective unless (fill in the blank)

            • Totally agree with you ColdCase.
              This was a slop job detective work…………. Once Jodi confused they didn’t care about the gun, or what kind of gun, or who owned the gun.

              I find it strange the dad said a .22………. was this his father or the mothers? I cant seem to recall….

              Let’s look at the bullet from Ashely and the one from TA? Do they match the gun? Same type of bullet? Could Ashley of been the one to help Jodi and that is why she is dead now?

              • I’ve wondered the same thing! What caliber in the Ashley Reed case??

              • I think someone (Al maybe) said the gun in the Ashley Reed death was a higher caliber gun. I don’t think the police identified the caliber of the gun in the Ashley Reed death. No, that can’t be right. I’m going to look at the paperwork on her death.

                • The Autopsy Report describes the bullet as a “moderate size flattened gray metal projectile.” I guess the type of gun would be in the police report or the forensic firearms examiner report (I haven’t seen either report).

                  It sounds like the bullet may have been a hollow-point bullet from the “flattened” description.

    • Michael, my pinko buddy,

      Firstly on the issue of the gun. Guns last a long long time. Guns produced a hundred years or more ago are still operational. That being said and done let’s look at some real numbers.

      According to the ATF, between 1973 and 1993 the 25 ACP was the fourth most popular gun produced in the USA and a total of 4.5 million weapons were sold here by US manufacturers. Prior to the mid 1980’s the gun was even more popular. The first 25 ACP gun was introduced in 1905. To be conservative let us assume that before 1973 half as many guns were sold every year as between 1973 and 1993. That would mean that there were about another 9 million 25 ACPs sold. And then you have the period between 1993 and 2008. By this estimate you have more than 15 million 25 ACP guns in circulation in the US. By comparison there are about 8 million motorcycles in the US. Would you have considered it really dire if a motorcycle had been stolen from the Arias family in Yreka, and TA had been run over by a motorcycle? Sort of puts it in perspective doesn’t it, considering there are over twice as many 25 caliber guns as there are motorcycles.

      Your other point about premeditation and self defense is a little more complicated. I’ve actually talked about this earlier. Let’s say you took a gun with you to kill someone, but before you did it that person attacked you and you took the gun out and shot to protect yourself. That is self defense.

      Now lets consider a slightly different scenario. You were scared of a person and took a gun to protect yourself, and the person attacked and you shot. That is self defense.

      Now let’s say, you took the gun for self defense, and the person attacked and you shot and the person fell down. Now you left the house, got to your car (didn’t call 911 because you were flustered). You then said, “Damn I didn’t kill him, and went back in and shot him”. That’s premeditated. You had the time to cool down and then made a conscious effort to kill them. That’s just flat out M1.

      Now lets take another example. You took the gun for protection. The person threatens you and you start shooting. The first bullet strikes him and he falls and you keep shooting till you are out of bullets in the gun. Now it becomes real complicated. It definitely started as self defense, however it could be argued that you went overboard in the heat of the moment. Someone could make an argument for manslaughter and the jury would have to decide whether or not your reaction was that of a normal person under those circumstances.

        • I keep wondering how she could do so much damage so quickly.? It seems to me a male Olympic athlete in peak condition would have difficulty doing the same thing in the same time.

          • I don’t believe she acted alone………… I don’t care what kind of shape your in, just doesn’t add up in my book.

            My dad always taught us girls that if someone breaks in the house and you shoot them ” make damn good sure you drag them into the house.” No worries I would panic and wouldn’t be able to pull the tigger.

            Cindy, it’s possible for anything to have happened….. when your in a fight or flight mode with your aderaline pumping…..Just don’t know about the 62 seconds. Seems she would of needed more time to do this by herself.

          • I agree and they want to stick to the 62 seconds. I will never believe that she was able to do that type of damage to him given there was only one gun shot that did not stop him and he was a guy that was strong, had been working out and was into wrestling. Why not just unload the gun and be done with it. You cannot convince me that he could not have fought back and knocked the knife out of her hand or gained control to take the knife and pin her down. I will always believe there was a cover up and she is the lamb being sacrificed. I am not normally any type of conspiracy theorist type person but the facts and evidence of this case do not add up to her killing him this quickly by herself. I know I know it does not matter at this point because she said she did it. However she only said she remembers the gun but none of the stabbing.

            • Since Jodi swtiched her story to self-defense, she cannot say that someone was helping her, or that another person was involved because then it would become a premed case.

              She switched her story the same time roughly Ashley died, now I am wondering if they are linked and she was helping Jodi…. are the bullets the same, same gun?

              This is just a thought………..

            • Oh and just from a reference from my own abuse from my ex husband. The weight and height difference are very similar to Jodi and TA. He attacked me many times charging me and he was always able to pin me down and have the upper hand. He sold guns and knives for a living so I think we had close to 10 guns in the house hidden around and too many knives to count. He was a very paranoid person as well. I was never able once to get away and grab a knife or any of the guns, The only time I thought I had a chance was when he was sound asleep. Thank God I got away before I ended up doing that. He was the type of person that would go into a rage if I has forgotten to buy something at the store. So just going on my own experience I do not know how she got the upper hand. Just my thoughts on this.

          • The obvious answer is the killing took longer than 62 seconds. As I’ve mentioned, the last photo is so poor that one can’t tell anything from that what is going on. It certainly doesn’t tell us Travis was dead in that picture at all.

            The last photo is useless as evidence as far as I am concerned.

        • So the only things I have to go on is the testimony we’ve seen so far. (I intentionally don’t watch the talking heads on TV. Since the evidence is available to us, I’d like to make up my own mind).

          Given the evidence, the most plausible sequence of what happened happened is exactly how Jodi described it. It is just beyond the pale to think that she went there with a gun, to shoot him, then spent 13 hrs with him without doing so and then attacked him with a knife, in some arbitrary couple of minutes. So one minute she’s taking pictures. All of a sudden she pulls out a knife, from somewhere and starts stabbing TA. Just doesn’t make sense. And if she did pull a weapon out, why not the gun? It’s a real stretch to convince me that she went there with a gun and then pulled out a knife. It just doesn’t make sense.

          So something suddenly set her off. All this hoopla about the presence, or lack thereof, of the roommates and its impact on timing doesn’t make sense either. Because if that were true, and they had been in the bathroom, she wouldn’t know if someone had come in. So it wasn’t like she waited till no one else was around. Something set her off, and so her story makes sense.

          Now when she shot TA, it probably slowed him down a tad. But he still had the wherewithal to go look at himself in the mirror, accounting for the blood spatter. He probably came at her again and she grabbed the knife. I think by then he was a little slowed down, and I believe that he still knocked her to the floor and that is when the wounds to his head and back occurred. Those probably slowed him down even further. I have no idea when the chest wound occurred, but I believe that happened at the bedroom doorway, and was what knocked him down to his knees when the throat thing happened.

          Now to the sliding, being a dumb engineer with more time on my hands than I know what to do with, I went and did some research. It appears that there is a bunch of info on the sliding friction of human skin on a variety of tile floor types. It’s a very heavily studied issue due to the safety aspects of people walking on tile floors. Now if you’ve ever slid something, you’ve noticed that it takes a little extra effort to get it started but once the thing starts sliding it gets easier to move it. Given rough ceramic tile (they called it stoneware) and moist skin the force required to start moving TA’s body (about 190 lbs) would be about 50-60 lbs. Once it started moving the force could go down to about 30-35 lbs. If there are liquids involved (water, blood, etc) the force would be less. And the amount of force is not too much for a healthy person to apply, especially given Dr Samuels testimony about adrenaline, etc and the fact that they would be pulling. When you pull you actually get assistance from some of your body’s weight, sort of like folks leaning back to pull on a rope in a tug-of-war. So she could have dragged him into the shower.

          So, the short answer is yes, I do believe this could have happened with just Jodi and TA being involved. More importantly the evidence, at least as presented, doesn’t show another person being present, and the facts do fit with what a single person could do.

          • Al,

            That makes sense. It really does. But I’ve wondered about the lip of the shower. How did she get him over that?

            • She probably just dragged him in. The area was probably wet, in fact the shower may still have been running so she could just have pulled him in. Once the torso was in she could have just lifted the legs in.

              The important thing to remember is that she probably had adrenaline coursing through her. Remember Dr Samuels testimony about that whole fight or flight, adrenaline thing. Also here’s a rather informative article from a very reputable journal (Scientific American)

              http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=extreme-fear-superhuman

          • I agree, Al. If she actually did the knifing part, the gun shot came first as she said. There is no way that a small woman would attack a 200 lbs man, awake, in good shape and good at kicking, in a small enclosure with a knife. But once he was wounded, yet enraged to the utmost, unable to see well, she could have managed to defend herself in the small bathroom or hallway with the knife, and win the fight.

            • Might TA have been the one who started the tragic chain of events? After hearing this written highlights of his 6 hour tirade plus some of her journal writings I can only imagine what he could be capable saying to her in person.

              What if, perhaps during the photo shoot she confirms her plans to continue to distance herself from him. Maybe she tells him this was an afternoon of good bye sex with him, that she will not be a FWB anymore.

              I could see this pissing him off big time, that he feels he is the boss of when they no longer are sex buddies – not her. He starts in with a yelling angry tirade, she drops the camera, he does the lunge thing and the rest is history…

              She could completely feel responsible for getting him mad, her mind goes into fog mode and shuts down, then fight mode as he comes at her, thus her true lack of memory of the details.

  137. Just wanted to say Hi and have a good weekend, everyone. I have not been coming on much lately because it is all very distressing. I do not believe the death penalty will be a verdict – in fact, I think/hope the outcome will be fair. She did not premeditate anything and there is simply no proof, no matter how much the hater’s hate.

    On the other hand, this has brought such an ugly side of America out into the open. It sickens me and so I go back to “my own world” praying for peace and truth. I am just afraid at what will happen by the time the trial is over. If the verdict frees Jodi, I fear for her life as well as the life of anyone involved with this trial. If she gets lesser charges than the death penalty, I fear for the doctors, the attorneys and anyone that helped her. I fear that JM will still be considered a ‘rock star’ although undeserved. And if Jodi does (God forbid) get the DP then I fear the celebrations that would take us back to gladiator days in celebrating death and brutality.

    I guess what I’m hoping for is that, whomever reads this, please pray/meditate/think about peace and that something about this trial will bring to light the disgusting lies of the media as well as abuse. Please let people realize that abuse IS real and those who are HAVE A RIGHT TO DEFEND THEMSELVES.

        • Cindyp,

          Yes, have a few days of peace for yourself. Bake cookies and watch a good comedy tonight. And keep in mind that even if there’s a guilty verdict, Jodi will do extremely well on appeal.

    • Yes cindyp,you are so right about if the verdict ends up with the dp,there will be sad relevations of glorifying the death,it is sad that they the haters have been led down the road by the media and the people have degenerated back centuries.I would like to think we are living in a civilized world,but with the turn of events that have been happening,one would not think so.Lets all keep supporting Jodi and pray for her and try to forgive the haters for not realing how blind they have been.

    • I agree cindyp and I felt really depressed in the last few days about how much hatred is out there. I am not just upset over the trial but of how abusive people are here in this country. I guess social media makes it so much easier for the lynch mob to spew their hate. You have summed up every emotion I have been having and I thank you for posting it. I pray so much for Jodi and everyone around this case. I pray for the truth to come out.

    • cindyp, amen to that! You summed up all my worries. I’m so sad about how people are reacting to this trial, and it’s actually a little scary. I’m so sad for everyone involved, and all of us really.

      I’m worried about our judicial system. I was horrified when the Casey Anthony jurors were threatened by these nuts that were over-the-top enraged about the verdict. I blame Nancy Grace for that.

      No one will defend our right to free speech more than me, and I’m all for transparency, but when it comes to the judicial process I’m beginning to think Canada has the right idea. These high profile cases in the U.S. are completely out of control. In Canada, the press and the media cannot report on a trial until after it’s over.

      • We don’t see this with trials in Canada. We might hear a passing blurb on the evening news, more only that the trial is continuing. Cameras are not allowed in our court rooms, the press can be present, but they cannot report anything until a verdict has been rendered.

        Anyone who violates that is in big doo doo with the Justice sitting on the bench. We also don’t see prosecutors acting like Don Juan, holy cow if that kind of behavior happened the Justice would slap them with every sanction in the book. The times I have had to testify, walking into the court room felt like walking into a church.

        On that note, I want to share a funny. I was testifying in a trial for the Crown(State) the defendant’s lawyer was full of himself, and really cocky. The third day of the trial I was called up to the stand, and this lawyer was strutting back and forth while he was questioning me and I just happened to glance down and noticed his fly was open!!

        I looked at the Crown Attorney, and I looked at the court officer and he just every so slightly shook his head no with a hint of a smile. When I was finished testifying, the court officer winked at me and smiled as I left the court room. I heard that this lawyer spent the whole morning in court like that and no one said a word to him! LOL

    • cindyp, honestly, if something terrible does happen to the witnesses, lawyers, or Jodi, I think HLN should be held accountable and be sued.

    • Cindy,

      Freedom of expression is healthy. You didn’t rant. :} There is a lot of hype with this trial and lots of hate for the entire world. I have often found in people that sit behind a computer all day posting negative things about other people have many skeletons in their own closets and they are not happy with themselves.

      People have totally lost what this trial is all about: TA and JA… and all the evidence . It’s not about hair color, glasses, clothes we wear, money to get rich and famous, it’s a murder trial with a beautful soul life on the line…. Yes, TA family needs to grieve but not in the media, and to strike it rich. It baffles me since TA was estranged from his family members anyways, how they are acting like they deserve the world. It’s about TA not them and JA….

      Misery loves company is an old saying…. Look at the media and social media…………. How they can look in the mirrow each mornings is mind boggling. To trash someone that is INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY and call themselves lawyers. What a joke to our judical system.

      Quote from Alice and Wonderland:

      ” But I don’t want to go among mad people,” Alice remarked.
      ” Oh, you can’t help that, ” said the Cat:” we are all mad here. I am mad. You’re mad.”
      “How do you know, I ‘m mad? said Alice
      ” You must be, ” said the Cat, or you wouldn’t have come here”

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  139. Let’s all hold on for a few……the publishers will address the issue of the negative comments. But it will not be until Monday. I have a friend in the business….they keep a eye on their sites.

    • Okay. I hope there is a way for Amazon to just simply erase all of the one-star comments that happened since ALV took the stand and simply block all future reviews until further notice.

  140. Hello Friends:

    You may send your comments to Barnes and Noble to: readerreview@book.com.
    I have pasted the email I sent them for your review. I do think it is important for all sane people in the on line market place to let their opinions be known.

    Good Afternoon:

    I am writing in regard to several book reviews for the Author Alyce LaViolette on the Barnes and Noble web site, that I discovered when I went to purchase her book. I am quite taken a back that Barnes and Noble would allow these vile comments to remain. As you may know, Ms. LaViolette is currently serving as an Expert Witness in a highly publicized murder trial in Arizona. There is a campaign being orchestrated via social media to flood the on line market place with scathing book reviews in an attempt to discredit Ms. Laviolette’s testimony and ruin her long standing professional career and practice. These reviews are from people that have not read the book, and quite possibly may not even be able to read books at that level.

    I have no issue with real book reviews by customers, who actually evaluate the content of the book and it’s research. This is clearly not the case. As a professional Social Worker, Ms. LaViolette’s, and her co-authors, work in the field of Domestic Violence is not only well respected, but a must read for professionals and victims alike. The reviews on your site, not only violate your company’s policies, but are vile and an outright character assassination of a well respected professional.

    As a long standing customer of Barnes and Noble bookstores, I respectfully request that you review these vile comments and remove posts that are clearly placed to assassinate the authors credibility, for no other reason than to give a fringe group of people another outlet to spew vile and derogatory remarks.

    Thank you in advance for your assistance.

    • Thank you TR.

      Fired off an email to them. On another note on the same page, they have started posting hateful reviews on another site as well. I don’t want to name it simply because the reviews haven’t reached epic proportions.

  141. Posted this before but never really got responses. Hoping someone can shed some light

    Anyone have any idea which date they deemed the letters forgeries? I haven’t seen anything that confirms they were. Just that they were precluded.

    Since the original motion to preclude the letters states that photocopies aren’t allowed, I’m still pretty convinced this is the reason why they were.

    One of the minute entries says that the expert analysis of the letters would be concluded by 3/18/11 yet they don’t get precluded till August. Why months later? Why not after the analysis was completed?

    Other than Chris Hughes acting the fool on the stand and saying they were forgeries I can’t find any other proof. Just this ridiculous seed Chris planted with the help of Martinez.

    If Sandra Arias has copies of those, why hasn’t she allowed them to be posted on this site? It’d probably help a lot.
    And Why in the world does CH have TAs journal? Shouldn’t that be evidence?!?

    On another note…on twitter it was mentioned that Jodi’s grandfather didn’t have any .25 ammo. But did have a box for .25 with .22 calibers in it. Does anyone else know anything about this? Is the grandfather really sure it was a .25? Is there anyway to check for the original registration of the cousin he inherited it from?

    • “Anyone have any idea which date they deemed the letters forgeries? I haven’t seen anything that confirms they were. Just that they were precluded.”

      They were never deemed forgeries…a twitter post by @michaelbkiefer sums it up best:

      “snip. No expert called them fakes, they just said they were copies.”

      This is a common lie spread by the hughes and haters. It would be nice if the defense would release their experts opinion..I believe their expert, according to Nurmi, did deem them as “likely” Travis’ but again, the photocopy rule came into play.

      I can’t help with any of your other questions.

      • Thank you!! This is exactly what I thought until ppl on Twitter started say it was in the minutes. I went through them all and didnt find proof at all.

        I want to see them really bad

        • The haters can read, but they can’t comprehend very well!! LOLOL

          I think they are misunderstanding the whole process of trying to get the letters into evidence.

          I would like to see them also.

          I’m @BeeCee1980 if anyone wants to find me. I only allow following by request and if you don’t tell me who you are on here, or if I can’t figure it out I don’t allow.

          Cause I still don’t know how I got suspended, I don’t do anything..LOLOLOL

        • Candie,

          The minutes I read (or the document at least) said that Martinez claimed two things: 1) The letters were heresay 2) Even if they were not deemed heresay, they were irrelevant.

  142. WTF there is a twitter account called Jodi’s bangs????? I must have lost my mind. Is this not a capital murder trial because a man lost his life and the state is wrongfully (in my opinion) trying to kill a woman. These people think this is a game. How can they seriously say that they are concerned citizens when it’s being made into a punch line? Reminds me NANCY GRACE thanks for the beautiful video showing Jodi as a beautiful bridesmaid. WOW imagine that she lived a normal life! What is your point? Maybe there should be a twitter site called Bombshell Nancy Graces eyebrows. That would be entertaining, those eyebrows are hysterical

    TR thanks for info working on it now.

    • There are/were worse ones. That might be how my twitter got suspended at first…i kept flagging them as inappropriate.

      LOLOL

      Hey y’all haters, notice we don’t have twitter pages called Martinez’ Little Wiener….OR Travis’ Harem….

      • LOL @ the eyebrows!!! And okay, as long as they’re being catty, if you’re in the supermarket this week take a look at The National Enquirer or The Star or one of those. They have a picture of Nancy Grace WITHOUT makeup and I swear, you can’t even recognize her.

      • HA! No kidding.
        Imagine the energy they waste with all that boiling hate. I hope each and every one of them gets hateful boils from it.

      • Martinez’s Hair would be a good one.

        “Why does Juan insist on dumping shoe polish on me every weekend? Can’t he appreciate my salt-and-pepper beauty?”

        “Oh no, here comes Juan again with the hair color….why is he posing in the mirror and muttering ‘Rock Star’? This can’t be good…”

    • Nancy has bangs
      Jodi has bangs

      Nancy wears a hair barrette in her hair
      Jodi wears a hair barrette in her hair

      Nancy wears her hair pulled back away from her face with wispy bangs
      Jodi wears her hair pulled back away from her face with wispy bangs

      AND SO DOES A MILLION OTHER FEMALES IN THE WORLD

      P.S. I am a girly girl too….and I wear hair barrettes, scrunches, hairbands, hair clips….worn my hair in more hairstyles than I can count on my fingers and toes….and I tried the bangs-thing too many times to count….it’s just a girl’s world of beauty…

      • I know and when they actually do a show on her hairstyle it just makes them look even dumber. First of all she has been in jail for 5 years so I am sure she is not going to a salon. She doe have beautiful hair though, However, what does her hairstyle have anything to do with the killing of TA. I too have worn my hair many different ways and with several colors. Most women do and I do not see how this should be part of the show. Of course I forget that HLN no longer covers news. It’s not like its on E and talking about fashion of a celebrity. This is a DP case so enough about her hair, clothes and her glasses. Just tells me more they have nothing to report on.

  143. This is all I have received back from Amazon so far.

    Thank you very much for bringing to attention the reviews being posted on the book “It Could Happen To Anyone: Why Battered Women Stay” by Alyce LaViolette.

    We are currently researching further into the reviews. Have a wonderful day.

    Best regards,
    MarlonM

    • Amazon needs to put a stop to this garbage. I reported as many reviews as I could before getting so mad that I left the computer.

    • I finally figured it out…Amazon is NOT DOING A THING about getting rid of the vile comments on AL book reviews…I have made numerous complaints to CSR and they have sent me several of the same response messages….and are doing nothing…nada…

      I forgot to say that the Amazon CSR that I spoke to in person the other night does not live in the USA but they have internet access and they were going to see what the Jodi Arias trial was about…and they did read some of the vile comments on AL book review while we were talking some 35 minutes or so….and he was so helpful…but I see now that he has not done nothing….nada…

      Maybe we should boycott Amazon??? ….start a petition to send to whoever owns Amazon???….or whatever???

    • I gave it a 5 star review. And I pointed out how difficult it is to break through the DENIAL people have of domestic abuse. Hoping it might make a dent.

  144. A while back, someone posted a link to the definition of witness badgering. Sorry, I can’t find the post now. Whoever posted it, thank you.

    I read that definition, and it seems to me that’s EXACTLY what Juan Martinez is doing. And it’s EXACTLY why I dislike him so much. He’s not being fair at all.

    I wondered if one of the legal experts on this site could explain to us why the defense is not objecting specifically for the reason of witness badgering. I don’t recall Nurmi or Wilmott ever using that objection.

  145. JODI denies premeditation, and claims self defense

    http://www.azleg.gov/ArizonaRevisedStatutes.asp?Title=13

    13-404. Justification; self-defense

    A. … a person is justified in threatening or using physical force against another when and to the extent a reasonable person would believe that physical force is immediately necessary to protect himself against the other’s use or attempted use of unlawful physical force.

    13-405. Justification; use of deadly physical force

    A. A person is justified in threatening or using deadly physical force against another:
    1. If such person would be justified in threatening or using physical force against the other under section 13-404, and
    2. When and to the degree a reasonable person would believe that deadly physical force is immediately necessary to protect himself against the other’s use or attempted use of unlawful deadly physical force.
    B. A person has no duty to retreat before threatening or using deadly physical force pursuant to this section if the person is in a place where the person may legally be and is not engaged in an unlawful act.

    IF anyone’s interested, i found online some NORTH CAROLINA WESLEYAN COLLEGE, ONLINE LECTURE NOTES FOR CRIMINAL LAW dated 2003
    http://faculty.ncwc.edu/mstevens/293/293lecturenotes.htm
    6. Defenses to Crime
    http://faculty.ncwc.edu/mstevens/293/293lect06.htm
    7. Homicide Law
    http://faculty.ncwc.edu/mstevens/293/293lect07.htm

    • Wes,

      I was looking for your post about witness badgering and I found it! Thank you for posting that definition. It seems to me Juan Martinez badgers the defense’s witnesses almost every time he opens his mouth! And I’m wondering why the defense lawyers don’t object to it more???

  146. Amazon.com’s corporate office in Washington state (206-266-1000)…you need to demand to be put through to Amazon.com legal department…If you don’t demand this the receptionist will send you back to a CSR in India….

    Read this article about a lady who had problems on Amazon.Com and to what lengths she had to go thruough to resolve the issue…she is the one who said you have to demand to be put through to Amazon.com legal department…

    http://voices.yahoo.com/amazoncoms-corporate-office-customer-service-performance-569987.html

    • TruthSeeker,
      I sent an email to Amazon CEO Jeff Bezos as well with a reply to Amazon’s rep, because the answer from Amazon’s rep to my complaint said that he could not locate the reviews I mentioned for the book and author….

  147. For the ones who are helping Alyce LaViolette in the vile comments made by the haters on her book reviews at Barnes and Noble…this is the contact information for their corporate offices….and CEO….

    I posted the Amazon corporate information on another post above…thanks…

    Barnes and Noble http://www.barnesandnobleinc.com

    William Lynch
    CEO
    P.O. Box 111
    Lyndhurs, NJ USA 07071
    Phone: 212-633-3300
    Fax: 201-559-6910

    Click on the link below to find contact data for William Lynch, Barnes & Noble, Inc’s CEO of through their company profile on Lead411. This includes Barnes & Noble, Inc email addresses with the @barnesandnobleinc.com domain, contacts, linkedin info, cfo employees, and facebook profiles.

    http://www.lead411.com/company_BarnesNobleInc_Lynch_9313.html

  148. Something about how court unfolded on thursday (4/4) made quite a few of us sad, disappointed, angry and so forth. I’ve tried to pin down some of what I felt as I watched the proceedings:

    Judge: acted more like an ENABLER to JM’s ‘drunken’ rants (drunk with power that he thinks he has). She came across as weak, and wanting to side and agree with the ones that seem more powerful (prosc). She was getting empowered every time she allowed him to carry on, by his nods (approval that she was doing the right thing, making the right judgement, etc).

    JM: very prickly (or ‘prick’-ly). Any statement from a witness that would be taken in stride by any body else, he seems to accept it as if it is an affront on his character, personality, ability, intelligence or whatever (including his race?). Knowing this weakness, that when he feels provoked, his seems to lose his train of thought, and tends to go down the line of questioning about the perceived insult vs what he was previously talking about, any witness could easily play up this inherent weakness that he has by just throwing out a comment here and there and watch him flip out. I wonder what would happen if the witness kept at it with ambiguous answers that could be interpreted as such (insult) and also be the answer to whatever the question he is posing. He makes it personal.

    #5: showed that she was disobedient to the court (by discussing her views with the other jurors), a liar (by not sticking her hand up when questioned by the judge if they had indulged in discussions), confirmed that the jurors who hear her views were also liars (as they too did not stick their hands up when questioned, except when the judge did a 1-on-1 with them), and openly disrespectful (by showing up at the court after she was thrown out). Her presence tells the other jurors that there are really no consequences to disobeying the rules of the court, and I wonder how each juror interpreted the court’s decision to allow her to be there. I wonder, what impact would their personal interpretation of her presence in court have on the final decision re. JA?

    Also, #5 crying on her way to the elevators when she was thrown out…could have been about the possible loss of $ she felt she would no longer be privy to. I felt that she was mad that this opportunity was ripped from her, and felt jealouse that the other jurors back-stabbed her. By being there at the court, she was attempting to steal the limelight from them and to increase her ‘value’ to the next highest bidder for her comments on this trial. She was p*ssed off.

    Thanks.

    • Juror 5 made a statement to the other jurors about Dr. Samuels being paid 300 per hour which was wrong, it was 250 if I remember correctly. And why couldn’t they buy the jurors more comfy chairs if they could pay this doctor all this money. This is what she aluted to on the interview I saw this morning. And she was leaning with the Juan.

      Obviously she didn’t understand the judges instructors not to discuss the case until the end. Why she ws selected is beyond me, she doesn’t seem to understand the system and wants to make references to war in her country…. WTF , get a life gold digger. Her husband is a trucker driver and was involved in accident and was suing… found that information last night online.

      She wanted to steal the spotlight and make it be known that you can kick me off but I still have right to sit and watch in the courtroom. This judge is the biggest friggin idiot to our judical system that I have ever witness in a murder case or DP case.

      I am sure she discussed this case with someone on the outside once she was kicked off the jury and they told her how to play the system.

      Just like she said, when it came on the news I changed the channel…. Yeah Right and I am Tinker Bell with Peter Pan. YOu don’t watch your local or national news when your on jury duty. Turn on the disney channel.

  149. Pitchforks would like to know if this interpretation seems logical and fair:

    Yesterday, towards the end of her questioning of LaViolette, Willmott got her to talk about several other women with whom Alexander was exchanging different levels of romantic-sexual communication during the last months of his life. One of them was cited as having said that he was being “stalked” by an ex-girlfriend. Was Jodi ever actually named as this supposed “stalker” by the other woman? When exactly did Alexander name her as this “stalker” and to whom?

    Willmott pointed out the close time-line between this “stalker” citation and Alexander’s phone sex with Jodi, thus implying that it was either unlikely that the “stalker” referred to was Jodi, and that even if her name was cited as the “stalker” it would have been completely disingenuous and misleading.

    Did Ms. Willmott perhaps also intend that we should infer that, far from being Jodi who was this “stalker”, it was probably one of these other women who were “in a vulnerable position”. She kept stating this condition of the women, and seemed to be trying to make a point with that.

    Is there any other evidence that might point to one of these other women having, for example, slashed the tyres? Other than the police report, is there any other evidence that proves that some tyres were ever even slashed?

    • I’d say that interpretation is interesting and fair.

      I think she could also be implying that Alexander prayed on women who were in vulnerable positions because it was easier for him to control them. And that he made up the story about having a stalker to several women as a way to explain his contact with other women. (i.e. He told Jodi that Deanna was a stalker. He told Lisa that Jodi was a stalker.) Also, telling these women that a woman by the name of, let’s say “x” was stalking him, would discredit “x” in their eyes, should “x” try to warn them about his abusive behavior)

    • Also, Pitchforks, I like the subtle third-person Martinez dig.

      “Pitchforks would like to know if ….”

      Clever.

      • Oh, so it’s Pitchforks” fault now, that you can’t seem to tell Pitchforks who “x” is, RIGHT??!!

        Does the way Pitchforks addresses you make any difference in your ability to provide a non-evasive answer to the question??!!!!!!!

        Or is it that you have a memory problem, Ma’am??!!!

        • Giggle… Thanks pitchfork … You guys are a hoot!….. Let out big laugh …. Have been soo sad and disgusted with this sham of trial!

    • I thought that ! Where’s is the receipt from buying tires or the shop he went to , bank statement, where’s the proof?

    • Abusive men always always always trash their exes and trash their current “squeeze” to their current “interests”. Those of us who’ve been around online groups term it “the smear campaign” as so many of us have experienced it. If possible, they don’t end relationships “cleanly”.

      It seems innocent in a way, since many of us have dated people and broken up, and then played a kind of “dance” on the way out, where we still might see that person, even have sex with that person, for the first few weeks or months. The human condition makes it difficult to separate from someone we have spent a great deal of time with, especially if it was intimate. Alternatively, there is anger when people break up, either because one party wasn’t ready for the break up, or because one party was unfaithful. Sometimes, then, there is a period either where one party sort of “stalks” the other (in a very loose term) hoping to talk to them about what happened, maybe showing up at bars they frequented, or calling or writing trying to get an answer because people need closure. People need to know what happened, and they need that information especially in order to have closure. Or, they might have a friend call the other party to get some answers, perhaps a mutual friend who is better suited to get the answers necessary.

      Either way, this is usually followed by a period of time where both parties decide not to do that anymore (as in, get together, or call/write, or have friends make contact), both deciding they want to move on with their lives. This results in a healthy period of time away from each other where both parties separate and feel the anger/grief they need without the constant presence of the other. Then, finally, they move on and begin to date and return to life. Their memories of the person they dated, whether their was infidelity or not, generally take on fond remembrances of the good times and the good parts of the person.

      In general, after some period of time of separation, the parties reach out to one another again, perhaps even coincidentally. Perhaps the initial contact begins because they bump into one another somewhere, or one party encounters an experience in which they know the other party is knowledgeable about. So, they call one another. Even though the love interest has now passed, there is still a feeling of caring about each other. And as I said, all is pretty much forgiven or forgotten that was not good between them. At this point, often some type of friendship is often formed. After all, people who date were friends, underneath everything else. The friendship might be a temporary one where they have coffee one afternoon or a drink one evening and get their final closure from one another. Or, it might develop into a true friendship.

      This has been my experience and the experience with most people I know. Looking at Jodi’s life, you see that she became friends with at least two of her exes. She spoke about how with one of them, there were feelings of anger at first at his infidelity, but after time, they developed a very close friendship that was not intimate.

      Nothing described above is unhealthy, although some friends may question it. “How could you be friends with that two-timing piece of crap?” Mostly this is the concern of friends who’ve been there to pick up the pieces when that person had a broken heart, and they don’t want to see their friend get hurt again.

      However, with the abusive man, everything is completely different. He hangs onto a relationship not wanting to leave until it’s his decision. Usually, that means he wants to make sure he has someone else perfectly lined up to take the role of the last main squeeze. Even when he makes that decision, he continues to want to stay in touch. If he cannot do so, he continues to “track” his ex and make sure he has some kind of contact information for her. He may befriend some of her friends. In this day and age, social media like Facebook makes that easier than ever. Some of the abuser’s relationships have ended in calamity, perhaps with a family member of his victim giving him a sharp warning to leave the girl alone, or even with a restraining order. In those situations, it’s more difficult for him to stay in touch, so he has to “track” her.

      Why? Why do abusers do this? Abusers need a constant source of supply. Supply is everything from sex to adoration to complying with their wishes to outright abuse and control. They can NOT be without supply. Sometimes, between “main squeezes”, they find themselves in a situation where they’re working carefully on trapping the new “squeeze”, but they haven’t gotten there yet. They need some interim gratification. It’s an addiction to them, not unlike a drug addict or alcoholic or think of Dexter or Huck on Scandal if you watch those programmes. They NEED it. There is nothing easier than returning to an old “squeeze” who will instantly give them all of that. With the new “squeeze”, they patiently work on her, diligently, learning everything she likes, wants, needs. They adopt portions of her personality and become the guy she has always wanted. Often, they are fighting against physical characteristics that are not generally the woman’s usual “type”. Perhaps they are average height, and she is tall and has always dated tall men. Perhaps they have dark hair and her general preference is for blonds. This is such a challenge for them because they have to find a way to become her “perfect man” and overcome those “type” issues that they do not fit into. But they are incredibly patient while working on a new “squeeze” and they will carefully insert themselves into her life, waiting for her moments of vulnerability, when they can be the “knight in shining armour”. Gradually, over time, they know that she will see them as “the perfect man”. They wait for that.

      Now, they do not work the same way as the annoying guy who pursues a woman who is not interested. Every woman has had one of those. Some guy who just won’t stop pursuing her even after she’s said no 100 times and it gets annoying. No, the abuser is never annoying. He never comes across as too persistent. He is subtly persistent, never over reaching, never going too far. He is just “there” in the background, quietly waiting for the moment when she needs someone to talk to and no one is there. That is when he pounces. He will wait months and even years for this moment. He is in no hurry. He is pursuing lots of women in the same way at any given time.

      (In fact, I found it interesting that Travis had a dozen women, including Jodi. My ex, in his notes that I accessed, called the women he pursued, his “dirty dozen”. He adapted that phrase from my favourite band, Journey, who said they played their “dirty dozen” at concerts. He hated Journey but used my knowledge and love of the band to entrap another “squeeze” ensuring that he knew every song in their “dirty dozen” and all about their lead singers so that he could appeal to her, as she was also a fan. And he said that he always kept at least a dozen woman in his accessible pool which he called his own “dirty dozen”. “Mr Wrong” (as his license plates said) thought his play on this term was incredibly clever.)

      Abusers know that there is a strong possibility women will meet one another, particularly because they often “play” in a small social circle. Even if they don’t, they are acutely familiar with the 6 degrees of separation and that it’s entirely possible someone will know someone else who knows someone. They can not risk discovery. As I said, there are usually one or two women in their background who actually caught onto what they were doing — or their family members or new love interest did. They play a dangerous game — which excites them — but it is not foolproof.

      So, how do they guard against this? The easiest way is to smear most, if not all, of of the former “squeezes”. A huge challenge to an abuser is to (using fake names) turn Trudy against Judy. Trudy and Judy actually attended the same school. They might have even dated the captain of the football team at different times. They might have been cheerleaders together. It’s too dangerous for an abuser to work on two best friends, but if they were casual friends, there’s a real challenge, especially if they both dated the same guy. That actually leaves the abuser with some ammunition. So the abuser dates Trudy, she’s his main squeeze for a time. In their most intimate conversations, she mentions high school, even if it was decades beforehand. And she mentions Judy. This puts Judy on the abuser’s radar. Abusers are always “taking notes” about their “squeezes”. My ex recorded everything in hidden files on his computer. He had dossiers on women, including me, that would have taken many many pages to print. After he’s done with Trudy, he decides to look up Judy. But how can he be sure that Trudy and Judy will never bump into one another again and compare notes? The easiest way is to smear Judy to Trudy, and vice versa.

      Saying one woman won’t leave him alone, won’t let go, is stalking him, and slashing his tires, well, that’s an exceptional line for an abuser. For one thing, it feeds his ego (even if it’s made up) and also, he assumes that it increases his power as a man who can have anyone in the minds of others. (Jodi mentioned in her diary that Travis was used to girls falling all over him, but he wanted Mimi because she didn’t.) It also ensures that Trudy will think poorly of Judy, even though she once liked Judy. She will then see Judy as desperate, mentally unstable, strange. If she does run into Judy somewhere, or if she talks to someone who knows Judy and says “But you don’t realize what he did to Judy” she will be far less likely to listen or believe it. After all, he has convinced her that Judy is weird AND that Judy is after her man, if he’s become her man.

      He may actually be still seeing Judy on the QT. Painting a picture of Judy as a stalker weirdo gives him an alibi if anyone should see him with Judy. In fact, the doesn’t just paint Judy as a stalker to Trudy, he also ensures that he says the same thing to all his friends and their mutual friends.

      To an abuser, this is so much fun. He sits back and watches as Trudy and Judy tear each other apart. In fact, watching it occur on social media like Facebook is incredibly hilarious. He will have created fake identities to friend each of them just so he can watch. An actual in-person showdown between them will be the best hard-on he’s ever had. Even if they are polite superficially to one another, he will enjoy the simmering anger beneath the surface.

      If Judy becomes involved with or even marries someone else, this thrill does not end for him. He just now has another player in the mix to toy with a little. And when he decides he’s had all the fun he could have with Trudy, the fun can still continue as long as he has ensured that Trudy and Judy will not compare notes by ensuring the anger runs deep. Also, he now has two more sources of “supply” he can go back to at some point later.

      As my ex wrote about one woman, and I’m paraphrasing, “Sooner or later, she will need me again. Women inevitably have marital problems, get divorced, or their spouses or children die or disappoint them. As long as I keep tabs on her, there will come a day when I will be able to be there for her again. I will waltz in and she will need me. Facebook makes finding them so much easier.”

      Travis knew this too, and he needed constant supply. Jodi was an easy source of supply for him whenever he needed it. Jodi loved him, unconditionally. And he knew exactly how to play Jodi. He knew how to keep her hanging on. He knew when to push her away. He knew when to reel her back in. He knew that he could indulge his most perverted sexual fantasies with her and she still wouldn’t run away from him. He knew she was interested in preserving his image, just as he was. He had worked hard to convince her of that. He also knew that if he met rejection from other women — even if he told them he was feeling suicidal (aww) — he could count on Jodi to supply him.

      After his friends told him to end his relationship with her, and not to abuse her, he kept her a secret. But he set out on his smear campaign to cover what he was doing. His goal was to make the same friends who warned her about him, hate her. Apparently, he succeeded.

      But back to your question, Pitchforks. Abusers are (like most of us) somewhat lazy. When they find a strategy that works, it’s all too easy to use that one again, rather than think up a new one, try it out, etc. (As an aside, apparently, they become lazier after 30, lazier still after 40, and even lazier after 50. Travis reached the first of those landmarks.) Travis had called Deanna a stalker. In fact, he had been successfully hidden much of his relationship with Jodi because he claimed he didn’t want to hurt (trigger) Deanna’s stalker-ness. While I can’t prove this, I bet he used that line on multiple women. And I bet he always came at it from the “sensitive” guy angle, not wanting to hurt Deanna.

      It’s important to notice here that he said he had a “stalker” but not who his stalker WAS. Was it Jodi? Was it Deanna? Was it even someone else? Well, he apparently, left that open to the imagination of whomever he was dealing with. For the abuser, this also creates another air of mystery (and they love to be mysterious) and also feeds their ego (which they need constantly). Even the illusion that they are so awesome that someone would stalk them is thrilling to them. Because, basically, underneath all of their facade, they know that they are pieces of shit. That’s what they fight against. (In one of his rare moments of truth, my ex told me that it was very difficult to be him and to keep his shields up, because he was afraid anyone would see what he really was or that he would blurt something out. He said he always paused to consider what he was going to say before speaking so that he didn’t say what was really on his mind. But it took a tremendous amount of energy to keep up — what he called — his shields. In fact, when I asked, he admitted that was why his fists were clenched even when he was sitting watching TV in a supposedly relaxed position.)

      I’m not sure how much of what I’ve just said is understood by Wilmott. Perhaps she was in an abusive relationship at one time. Perhaps that’s why she believes so deeply in Jodi. Or, perhaps she has represented other women who were in these types of relationships or had a friend or family member who was. Either way, I do feel a deep friendship has formed between Wilmott and Alyce. I suspect they’ve had many hours of discussion during the past few years. Maybe for Wilmott, it has just been in preparation of the case. I’m just speculating, but Wilmott has certainly seemed to relate well to Alyce, and there is a deep comfort level between them. Alyce has encountered every type of sicko in her career. She has worked with them and tried to help them.

      I think what she was trying to do was raise reasonable doubt that Jodi was the “stalker” Travis spoke about, if there even was one. But that’s difficult to do within the rules of evidence. She can’t paint the picture I just did above — and even if she did, does it make sense to the average person? Also, by showing that he was continuing his relationship with Jodi, and even aggressively pursuing her, while also pursuing others, I think she’s hoping to create some doubt that he saw Jodi as a stalker. I fully expect JM on closing, to suggest that Jodi was a stalker again — unless the judge specifically disallows it (which I hope). Therefore, it was important to have Alyce bring all of this out in hopes that the jury will remember it.

      Forgive me for going on so long. I just wanted to add a bit of explanation about abusers.

      • What did you think of the Eddie Snell video? You guys may of already commented on this but I must of missed the postings.

      • Makes sense, AA. In fact I remember reading Casanova’s memoirs and I think he fit the predatory abuser (and repeat rapist) type. In those days he did not need to manipulate much to keep the young girls and women quiet and under control, because just one word from him could forever jeopardize their lives and their future.

  150. I so wish I could send Jodi clothes. I would send her a form fitting dress and spike heels. Lol these people are complete assholes. “Look how she dresses now like a mousey librarian, not the blonde bombshell she used to be” UGG it wouldn’t matter what that poor girl does these idiots just want to pick and pick because the evidence is not saying what they claim it does. Damned if she does damned if she doesn’t. Lets send her some ruby red lipstick so she can give JM a big fat kiss on his forehead.

    • OMG Kimberly, I am ROFLMAO………………… Limo with some bubbles to go with the ruby red lipstick, spike heels, and form fitting dress and her new contacts with an updo doing the ” Princess Wave to JUAN and his fan club”.

      • I think Jodi looks fine in any clothes, with or without barrettes, bangs or makeup. Her heart and mind always show.

    • I would really like to see her dressed in sharp business suits for court. It is rather sickening to me that she is dressed the way she is in obvious second hand donated clothes that often do not fit well. I remember the day she had to do the linebacker “demonstration” and her pants did not fit well at all, nor did they really match the rest of her outfit well. She does the very best she can with donated clothes, and tries to put together stuff that looks good. But it’s still sad to me, especially when you see the PPL people testify in their power suits.

      I know from experience that looking through second hand clothes to be donated, it can be difficult to find anything appropriate for business. I went on several of those excursions when I first moved here and needed clothes to interview for jobs, and then, professional clothes to work in. I didn’t have any that weren’t more than 10 years old or that even fit me properly.

      I was limited to looking at certain times to get the free stuff, and only certain items were available to me. It was always a rush as I had very little time to try things on. I am not ungrateful that those options were there, but it was not easy and I wanted to look my best in hopes that I would get a job. After a few tries, I ran out of options and just picked up some blouses that I figured I could get away with under a suit jacket. Then, I ended up charging a couple of suits, a separate jacket and a skirt, which I could mix and match, and praying I’d be able to pay them off.

      Jodi is fighting for her life and it’s sad to me that she wasn’t able to get better clothes. That must be due to AZ’s laws which are so flawed as a whole for inmates. In IL, when I worked for a criminal lawyer in the 80s, we dressed the gangbangers he represented so much better for court, but IL didn’t have the same rules.

    • how about ruby red slippers? So she can wake up from a bad dream! God Bless Jodi and TA”s Family. Jodi loved TA, she did not want this to happen and hurt anyone especially TA’s Family. I pray everyone one will see the truth . Let us all try to love more.

  151. This has become an absolute embarassment to our judicial system. What happened to your right to a fair trail and being innocent until proven guilty in a COURT of law (no the public). Throughout the entire trial I have stayed neutral with my opinion waiting for all the evidence to be presented. You know what bothers me moving forward? How difficult will it be to get a fair trial seeing how all of the defense witnesses/experts have been subject to unjust scrutiny, character assassination and tarnished reputation’s. How many experts are going to be willing to put their reputation, means of income, etc on the line to act as an expert witness in a case (regardless of the case circumstances)?

    • “How many experts are going to be willing to put their reputation, means of income, etc on the line to act as an expert witness in a case (regardless of the case circumstances)?”

      That is one of the things I find truly, truly, frightening. What if there were NO experts willing to testify for anyone?

      The thought just boggles my minds. No one would have a chance anywhere..

      It’s already proven that innocent people go to jail. AND worse yet, innocent people plea bargain KNOWING THEY ARE INNOCENT.

      Here is a recent case:

      http://abcnews.go.com/US/rising-football-star-brian-banks-exonerated-rape-case/story?id=16424770#.UWCf_MqGPz4

      (I’m choosing ABC links for now because they seem less biased to me at the moment regarding the Arias trial)

      • LOLOL, I meant “mind”, I only have ONE mind…not several like some people…

  152. First time poster. I have been following this trial, beginning with Jodi’s testimony, so not privy to all the aspects of witnesses, statements, media bias, etc. of which I have been learning here and discovering on other blogs. After seeing the testimony of JA, I began to visit TA friendly blogs (located by searching TA name) but find myself coming repeatedly back to this one. Initially, I began searching to try and unravel information about this trial after seeing Jodi’s testimony. I was completely unbiased, as I had no interest or paid attention until I happened to catch a bit on TruTv..what used to be Court TV. I tuned in to HLN one night and was not surprised to see they are JM’s assistant prosecutors….all of them. I found this to be so distasteful as often what I had heard or seen in the trial of a particular day, was totally incorrectly stated as fact by N Disgrace. I used to think she was the worst of the lot and did not watch HLN because of her. It appears to me now that JM, DP, VP, MB are now on her level. Sadly. Do they not realize they would be received as much more credible if they just presented what happened in a non biased way? I realize it is all about sensationalism and ratings, but really they just go too far IMO. Now, I don’t watch HLN at all.

    With all of this being said, I must say for the life of me, I don’t understand how a smaller person can murder, stab, drag a larger heavy lifeless body to a shower in such a short period of time as indicated by time stamp in camera. Obviosuly, Jodi did this as stated by her, but the question of HOW begs in my mind. I totally get the abuse as outlined by the DV witness of this week past and the texting/IM messaging between TA and JA seems clear to me that he was indeed abusive and a liar. I read a blog written by TA in which he describes his upbringing and his Mother yelling at him in such abusive ways and with such language. It seems to me this could be a learned behavior of TA for which he needed help. Sadly, for him and for JA, here we are today. She clearly has issues that I don’t understand, but she surely seemed passive and like an abuse victim to me in her responses to his 16 paged, single lined rant. Being a victim of abuse surely doesn’t warrant a taking of life IMO, but it happens when one snaps and just can’t take it any longer. The gas cans and gun do bother me with respect to premeditation however. So, I am in a quagmire of not being sure of premediation vs. her just losing it. I can see his becoming furious if she dropped the camera, due to his reaction when she left the signed picture at his place. His reaction to that was just over the top…so, if he would react to such a small thing as forgetting the picture, what would be the reaction to her dropping an expensive camera? In a way, I just can’t believe she went there to kill him. If that was the case, would a woman of her stature use a gun or a knife? Seems pretty simple to me that a gun would be the weapon of choice, far less messy and easier clean up. As intelligent as she seemed on the stand, doesn’t it seem if she went there to kill him she would have planned better? Another thing. The roommates! TA was in the shower for how many days? 5?? There had to be an odor. Something is just not right and I don’t know what that is. If I were on jury, at this point, I would say 2nd degree. I would say manslaughter had it been just the simple gun shot and not the knife on top of it. Thanks for information from all posting as I am learning about this every day.

    Is Matt (ex boyfriend) she mentioned while testifying going to be called as a witness for either defense or prosecution? Does anyone know how many are still to be called by defense and if so, who might be? Thanks.

    • JW, you have the same questions we have. And if you have some time you might want to read some of the discussions from previous days where we have discussed the same issues. I know it is a lot of posts to go through, but we do have very good discussions on the evidence here. So far it doesn’t look like Matt is on the defense list, but we don’t know who is on the rebuttal list of JM. I personally think he is going to try to pull a rabbit out of a hat or whatever else he can out of his sleeve as I don’t believe he is done with his case in chief. This way the defense cannot rebut the new stuff he comes up with. I have read that he has done this in previous cases, so I guess we just have to wait and see.

      • So, if I am understanding correctly, JM can present new evidence in rebuttal? I thought all had to be presented in case in chief. Would not the defense be able to sir rebut?

        • Actually he is not suppose to, but I have heard on previous cases he has done that this is his style. And no the defense cannot surrebut. So it is underhanded tatics, but what else is new. No matter how you feel about the case, if JM had anything worthwhile we should have seen it already, but I just have a feeling we haven’t. I have a problem with the way he twists and manipulates, if the case was worth making then the evidence should speak for itself.

    • Welcome, JW!!! Always happy to welcome intelligent, info-seeking, respectful people to discuss the trial…. If you want to learn more, I encourage you to take a look at some of the other days– there is a wealth of information on this site.

      It is a safe, often humorous, place to hang.

    • JW
      I have been right where you are. I must admit when I first started following this trial, I was pro prosecution. Based on my own, I guess I’ll call it stupidity because I only followed the trial through HLN. I started watching the actual trial everyday and went back and watched testimony I had not seen and took it upon myself to view the evidence and reports everything I could find. Even before I watched the trial I just really couldn’t get behind the whole pre-meditation thing. I today, do not believe this killing was pre meditated. One very easy way for me to share with you how is the prosecution did not prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Jodi planned this. Would a reasonable person have doubts that it was planned. I say yes. I am a reasonable person and I have doubts that jodi planned this, The prosecution has failed to prove pre meditation. The gas cans, for me I don’t see this as a sign of planning to commit a crime and wanting to go undetected. Jodi has done this before, she travels alot. Secondly, she was concerned about getting lost in the desert which she would be traveling through alone. There have been several things that Jodi has been accused if and it was just false. Alot of accusations that have no evidence that it happened. A big one for me It’s said she stalked him, she was obsessed. There is absolutely not one piece of evidence that she did that. All the text messages and emails from Travis, not one mention of those types of behavior ever. Not only was there not proof, Travis’s behavior proves that wasn’t happening. The phone sex tape. That is him speaking in there with Jodi. Long after he says he was being stalked. The fact that before he was killed he was posing for pictures in the shower for her. She posed for him. She was in his home that day. He opened the door and welcomed her in. There was no stalking. I think that Travis lived in whatever version of reality he wanted to show those around him. I do not know what happened in that bathroom, but I am completely convinced Jodi did not go there with the intention to hurt him. I hope this helps you in some way. Just remain interested follow the evidence and not rumor and speculation.

      • Thanks all for the kind welcome, information and tips.

        So, Jodi has traveled with gas cans before. Did I correctly interpret what u said?

        ” The gas cans, for me I don’t see this as a sign of planning to commit a crime and wanting to go undetected. Jodi has done this before, she travels alot. Secondly, she was concerned about getting lost in the desert which she”…

        If so, than that takes the gas cans out of deliberation.

        I do believe jurors as a general rule try to get it right. I think why many are so shocked at a not guilty verdict, as in the Casey Anthony trial, is because they have tuned in to the biased media and believe what they say. Those who actually watch the trial often see things differently. Case in point. I was having my hair done yesterday and in conversation I told hair dresser I had gotten hooked on the JA trial. She watches HLN and that all she knows is what she hears that. She had no clue about the 16 page rant from TA. She said JA probably forged those. I told her it was my understanding from actually watching the trial that the prosecution had turned this information over as discovery and that same came from TA’s computer and/or phone records. She then asked how JA responded to some of the things I had repeated he said. I told her she had responded calmly and apologetic…as abused women do. It is always an abused woman’s fault. Hair dresser shook her head yes. Is there a spell check on this site???? I don’t see an edit button either. Thanks

        • JW,

          Another thing about the gas cans is if Jodi used them for the purpose of driving through Arizona undetected, then why did she fill them again in West Jordan, UT for her trip home to Yreka?

          • Here what think about the gas cans; show me the receipt for WHAT the $19.85 was for. All we know according to her bank starement there was 3 purchases made close together and 2 of them were made at the pump. I’m Assuming they found these 2 in her bedroom boxes. Here is problem for JM, if he request records from Tusoro (sp?) it may show she purchased junk food or something beside gas, leaving him with only the Walmart receipt. Therefore he has come up with this math (3.85×5.09g=$19.65) calculation. In his plan of connect the dot to premed this gas can dot isn’t there and I think that is the reason he harps on it so much. AND like you said, she on her way home.

        • I was the same way (and feel ashamed now to admit it) when this case first caught my attention. Then I started watching JA testify which led to my going back and watching the trial from the beginning on youtube and I now am fully on JA side and am disgusted that we live in a country where the mob mentality and haters seem to be the majority. I used to be a fan of Dr Drew, now I dislike him and no longer respect his opinion on anything (yet you will never see me bashing him with threats of anything online because really at the end of the day everyone is entitled to their own opinion wjich is something these haters dont seem to understand)

          I just pray that someone on the jury see’s the truth and looks at the facts that have been proven and the ones that are only accusations with no proof to back them up (which is in itself proof that they are not true) Travis was the stalker if anyone was and JA showed more compassion than he deserved, I cant believe that with all those emails and texts they did not find ONE SINGLE instance of JA getting all crazy or psycho like on TA- thats the proof right there that she wasn’t the type of woman the prosecution is trying to make her out to be.

          Someone else said it one of the comments about how abusive player type men typically label the other women they are involved with as stalkers as part of their smear campaign and as a way to cover their own deceit and I can’t say it enough ITS TRUE ABSOLUTELY MEN LIKE TA DO THIS AND IVE SEEN IT DONE OVER AND OVER WITH ONE PARTICULAR MAN IVE KNOWN FOR MANY YEARS AND AM FRIENDS WITH SOME OF HIS VICTIMS AND THEY ARE ALL CONVINCED AT FIRST THAT HE HANGS THE MOON AND EVERYTHING HE SAYS IS TRUE.

          Someone needs to look into wether or not the grandfathers gun was a 22 or a 25. That is a HUGE part of the prosecutions pre meditation theory. Without it what do they have? THe gas? If I was traveling across the desert by myself (I am a female) driving the route Jodi was I would take gas to because who wants to run out of gas in the middle of nowhere with possibly no cell signal. HEllo??? So Jodi is gonna think enough (pre meditate) to have enough gas so she doesnt have to stop for gas in order to cover her tracks after killing TA but she use’s a a gun that is ON RECORD AND IN A POLICE REPORT AS HAVING BEEN STOLEN FROM THE HOUSE SHE LIVED IN AT THE TIME??? DOESN’T ADD UP

    • JW,

      “Being a victim of abuse surely doesn’t warrant a taking of life IMO, but it happens when one snaps and just can’t take it any longer.”

      I am really tired of seeing people use this line as a reason of why Jodi killed Travis. The fact is Jodi did not kill Travis because she was a victim of abuse. Jodi did not kill Travis because she was fed up and snapped. Jodi did not kill Travis because she was a battered woman. Jodi did not kill Travis because he was a sexual deviant. Jodi killed Travis because he attacked her and she was fearful for her life and she defended herself! I am constantly seeing Jodi haters saying stuff like “just because he was abusive doesn’t give her the right to kill him”. They are right, but that isn’t the reason she killed him! She killed him in self defense! It isn’t a question of whether it’s “premeditation vs. her just losing it”.

      There is nothing with the gas cans that proves premeditation. Have you actually gone over all of the evidence? Did you know that Jodi also filled up the gas cans in SLC on the way back home to Yreka? So she always had some spare gas for long, lonely stretches of road?

      With respect to the stolen gun there is no proof whatsoever of that gun being the gun that was used in the killing. Did you know that the gun that was stolen was loaded with hollow point bullets? And the bullet that was retrieved from Travis does not appear to be a hollow point bullet? And if there was any proof that it was a hollow point bullet don’t you think that JM would have made that point abundantly clear to the jury?

  153. I believe her Lawyers have made the right decision about her wardrobe but its prejudice if the jury should take that in to account .I believe her personality has shown thru,and trumped whatever she should wear.

    • I agree Rhonda. It’s no news to anyone on this jury that Jodi is in jail. The clothes are what they are. It doesn’t matter. The heart of this young lady shines through, whether you see her crying, taking JM on and converting him into a blubbering idiot, or that look she got her face at times when Dr Samuels and ALV were testifying and you could see her realizing what had happened to her.

      I don’t care how much time has passed, she couldn’t have practiced that.

      And I’m sure the jury sees it too.

      At the end of the day we have to maintain our faith in the fact that decent people exist, and decency is recognized by all. Somewhere on that jury are decent, just and fair minded people. To them the clothes won’t matter. The evidence will, the spirit will and I’ll take the evidence and Jodi’s spirit over JM’s yelling, ranting and Snow White tales any day.

      Keep the faith folks.

    • She needs to look conservative IMO and that is how I see her attire. I would like to see her hair pulled back in a pony.

    • You are brave but be careful over there.

      They will accuse you of being paid to say what you say. They will bully you in droves. They will accuse you of being the author and others. They will attack you in every way they can think of. Set your amazon profile to private or they will look through your reviews to try and figure out who you are and what you buy. If they find out your real name, they will use it to post personal information about you and your family. I’ve been through this on the casey book review forum which has never been contained. Most of the haters are from websleuths and take their sleuth role very seriously. LOL.

      I’m just going to keep complaining via the places provided on here.

      • “Most of the haters are from websleuths and take their sleuth role very seriously. LOL.”

        Oh HAHAHAHAHA, they take it seriously because they wouldn’t be capable of doing it in real life…

        I saw that the WS forum took an official stance against it, but it still hasn’t stopped the nutburgers.

      • JC-
        You are correct! I posted once on Ms. L’s youtube video…one line thanking her for devoting her life to helping victims and perpetrators. The vile remarks are rolling in. Very sick and unstable people out there for sure.

      • JC, thank you. I left a 5 star review for Alyce LaViolette and I just now went and changed all settings to private.

        JC, last night I was reading the Travis FB page, and they were bullying Desiree Freeman!! She’s only 19 years old!!

  155. One other thing I meant to say. I am on this site posting in rebellion of media bias. According to them, no need for a trial. She’s guilty and deserves death. And, JM is no hero to me. I become frustrated when he will not allow the witness to properly answer a question. For some answers is not a simple yes or no.

      • Bless you, JW. You actually have a brain, and one that I admire. Guilty or innocent, the US Constitution grants people a fair trial. I don’t always agree 200%, but I have decided to live here, and the US is kind enough to have me. A lot of countries wouldn’t. So, I guess I have NO argument with due process. But the US gives me a voice. Is there a fairer system in the world? If so, I haven’t found it. I love the US dearly.

    • Why doesn’t the defense make the objection “badgering the witness” more often. I only remember Nurmi saying it once a long time ago. It seems to me almost every time Juan Martinez opens his mouth he’s badgering witnesses.

  156. Wow! I just posted something in support of Alyce on the Facebook page that was created in her support and cannot believe all the increasingly hateful things that are being posted. I truly hope someone in power at Facebook has the sense and decency to have them removed…

    For the one comment I posted there today, I was amazed at how many really ugly ones appeared. It turned my stomach that people can be so cruel in public displays. There are negative comments supposedly about the reasons her seminar got cancelled and people not wanting to show up (I wasn’t aware of any cancellation until this and other haters postings made me aware of it. I don’t know if it’s true but the haters are happy for any way they can destroy this woman’s good reputation and income potential). There are also unfounded accusations, insults about her testimony in court, and even comments about who she’s sleeping with, etc. It is really appalling and scary that people are thinking this way now-God only knows what will happen at the end of the trial if this kind of hatred continues to build, especially with ongoing support from the media.

    Media sources have undeniably exploited someone going through a trial for her life and apparently think little, if anything, about how many innocent peoples’ professional reputations they help damage, the lost incomes associated, and the families and private lives that are threatened and put at risk. The haters would like nothing better than to see Jodi get the death sentence and have the experts lose their businesses and everything else important to them. There is absolutely no positive outcome for anyone when anger, hatred, and revenge run rampant and the national media exploits murder trials without limitation, accountability, or conscience.

    • Whoever runs the page is not doing a good job then. They can REMOVE the comments and turn in people for Harassment also.

  157. Regarding Chris Hughs, his testimony is on youtube. Also it came out in this testimony that Nurmi told him that he has the letters looked @ and the expert said it was highly probable Travis had written the letters. see http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=195462&page=11 post 260. In my opinion he is a total jerk and you would think he would want to clear his conscience, and public appearance dishonesty.

  158. LATEST POST ON TA’S SITE:

    Trudy Its-the Principle
    Okay there has been a threatening video that may or may not be dangerous toward Juan Martinez.
    Could some nut down there please shoot hodi as she leave the court room…… PLEASE

    SJ: Can you get this to the defense?

    This is a credible threat of violence.

    The posters FB is:

    https://www.facebook.com/O2BMOM

    • SJ is working on something. Please email him with this. Did you screenshot it? That’s the evidence the defense would need.

      • Renee,

        I use a mac but my keyboard is a PC keyboard, so I can’t take screenshots, but I copied and pasted these from the YouTube comments section for Alyce LaViolette’s video.

        newworldodour 1 day ago
        Someone should kill this feminazi dyke bitch,

        kitana kitany 1 day ago
        I can’t even bear to see this woman…you should be put to death with Jodi Arias you wicked woman.

        sadtobeaz 1 day ago
        Sharon,
        Actually many people have posted and I quote” kill jew bitch” on this comment section. Many have threaten her harm. Is that not what we are being told that Jodi did to Travis? My point is we are all human beings and being able to have empathy for all human kind is what separates us from wild animals.

        • Damn, what the hell is wrong with people. They are all upset over Maggie’s video that clearly says for entertainment only…and i know she would never advocate doing anything to dickwad juan….but these people take the cake.

          • Did you ever see the pic they made of JW and jodi as the two twin ghosts from the movie The Shining? The hypocrisy is rich.

    • Wow, these people are beyond crazy. it’s a crime to make threats like that on the internet. You can also call your local police department and they can direct it to the proper people.

        • Not sure if you sent a screenshot yet Renee (to SJ), but I sent him one and told him you found the post.

          • Yeah, I sent him one as well…. it’s all good, we need to get this info to the proper people.

            Why, in this day and age with all the gun violence, would anyone think this is proper, in good form, OR not illegal?

            • I agree an again turned them in for harassment on that FB page it needs to be taken down. They can start all over again with another name but have to rebuild it all when FB takes it down.

            • Renee.

              Investigators in Phoenix are already looking into this ” youtube” video and the person behind it. The County Attorney Bill Montogmery is looking into this with two other law enforcement agencies.

              • It won’t be hard for them to track that down on U TUBE that woman was on there bragging on Alyce’s U TUBE how she had to go make some new video’s to further discredit Alyce that woman is seriously deranged she was proud to say she was the leader of the Amazon thing also. She comments all the threats very openly she has no fear it seems in being found. I hope they find her she truly has some serious issues Heck the photo probably is not even her an more than likely has one of those IP address changer things or a blocker possibly? she sure was not worried when I stated I was turning her in she just ranted on more so strange.

                I too would never do anything so horrible on Travis’s site as much as I do not care for him. Or really wish any harm on his family even but those that do that have some serious problems an need help. An I can imagine they are big talkers behind the keypad but out in the open I do not believe they would be.

              • FUJuan…thanks for that information…

                I wish some law enforcement would set up a national hotline to receive tips on what haters are saying out there…

                Then all of us good people could start forwarding to them the links of the haters vile and threatening comments that are made on youtube, FB, Amazon, Barnes and Noble, the haters sites and etc…

    • This is getting fucking crazy all around!:-( Anyone making terrorists threats like that against ANYONE involved in this trial should be arrested imediately!!!! No matter where we stand on this trial everyone needs to control their emotions!

          • Shit like this truly PISSES me off! I would not want to see ANYONE involved in this trial hurt! Jodi, her defense lawyers, Martinez, Flores, judge Stephens, the baliff, the stenographer, the jury, and members of BOTH the Arias and Alexander families have the GOD GIVEN RIGHT to be protected and feel safe!!!!! Any sick bastards harming or attempting to harm any of the people I’ve mentioned should be prosecuted to the FULLEST extent of the law!

            Sorry for the rant everyone but I just have a very strong sense of justice and fair play!

              • Same, Tony.
                Hateful and dangerous scumbags they are. I hold HLN responsible for inflaming and emboldening these nut cases.

                • Yes I agree viri. HLN should be held accountable. Had they been a lot more objective, people may not be as hateful.

              • Thanks Renee’! My passion sometimes gets the better of me but I still stand by what I
                posted. So glad to see that virtues such as honor, human decency, compassion, dignity, and common sense exist here.:-)

                • Tony,

                  Very respectful rant. No apologies necessary. I agree. Nobody should want to harm anyone involved in this case – on the prosecution side or on the defense side.

                  These people are doing their jobs and working very hard to find the truth. Each side believes their version of events. It’s hard to hate them for that. Martinez genuinely believes Jodi is guilty (or so it seems).

                  I do not. I believe she was abused. There is clear evidence of this. And Travis was not just like this with Jodi, but with other women as well. That is the kicker.

                  I think Martinez may be more upset about the nature of the killing, and the effect it had on Travis’s family than at the self-defense vs. premeditated aspect. Even if he suspects self-defense is possible, I think the nature of the killing is clouding his judgement.

        • Nk-
          Good point! Jodi has unfortunately been given the kind of nationally televised, highly detailed and broadcasted trial that is seldom experienced by those accused of capital crimes, and which allows the media way too much access to info that can be spun and manipulated. Shows like Nancy Grace and Dr. Phil are accessing things outside of the trial, too, like what Jodi is eating and doing in jail, putting on members from Travis church and business community, including a psychic of all people who had bad vibes about Jodi, etc. The media has gone way over what was done to Casey Anthony during her trial, but the media’s involvement certainly made her the most familiar, most hated and evil criminal in the country in the eyes of the general public. This would not have been possible without the media.

          The media’s inappropriate conduct will only continue until someone gets hurt or limits are put on how far it can go in promoting unfair trials as well as damage to the accused, witnesses and other innocent people. The public is getting way too much info in this case that it doesn’t get from other murder trials, but unfortunately it’s not to educate or inform but to spread bias and ultimately increase ratings and revenues.

          • Agree. One would think HLN would have pulled back after woman committed suicide hence N Disgrace interview. Media/HLN, IMO are putting in that which is disallowed in the court room. IMO, this jury should be sequestered as was the Anthony jurors. I have no strong feelings one way or another about the judge in this case, but I do feel she erred in not sequestering the jury. It is hard for me to believe that with the defiance Juror #5 showed by showing up in court, that some on the jury see things they are instructed to avoid. I do agree with the defense on this issue.

    • I am appalled and ashamed beyond words… this person is Canadian!! I am sorry beyond words that one of our citizens would stoop to this level. 🙁

      • Don’t forget anybody can pretend to be anyone they want on the internet it maybe just a FALSE FRONT just as Travis did for his friends an co-workers. Then behind closed doors the other side comes out. It is a scary world anymore people can be whoever they want an sometimes people forget.

        I believe Jodi was very naive on some things. My daughter is the same way she is very gullible an it drives me nuts.

  159. These people are getting way too ridiculously over-invested. When you start threatening the life of a stranger, it’s time to step away from the computer and call your psychiatrist.

    • Quite right Kira! Even as bad as Travis Alexander was I sure in hell would not want anyone to defile or desecrate his grave!.:-(

      • I read on the Travis FB site last night several posts bullying poor Desiree Freeman. Calling her ugly and God knows what they’ve said by now. And you know, the thing is, I think she’s a remarkably pretty girl. And obviously a good person with integrity.

        I do worry about what people in the U.S. have become. Look at how viscous we’ve become in politics!

        • I know I thought both of the Freemans showed great intergity for testifying on what they saw. It is disturbing they are now attacking her. And on her looks which is so petty. These bullys will stop at nothing to spew their hate. All I try to do is pray for them.

        • You said a lot in the last sentence. It is amazing to me to look back at the history of our great country and see how civility is on the down shift. Sadly. Why, it seems one is not safe to opine. I think we have to really be careful where we post and typically I don’t post at all. This site seems to be monitored and that is the reason I am here. I have legitimate questions about this case and my intent is not to attack either side, but just to have a logical discussion and I appreciate that here.

          • JW – this is indeed a safe haven where civilized discussions and debate can and do occur. Further, all of the evidence and testimony disclosed thus far is available, with no spin or editing by talking heads. We can review without sensationalism or biased opinions. All of these resources have led me to believe in Jodi’s innocence.

            • I like the no spin zone idea. I can’t say I believe JA is innocent, for she admitted what she did. The part on which I hang are all of the knife wounds. I just can’t grasp that part.

              I recall that not too many years ago, a pastor’s wife was on trial for killing him due to his abuse. He, however, was asleep and she shot him in the back, took her three children and drove to Florida. Ultimately, she was acquitted. I didn’t really agree with that verdict for it appeared it wasn’t self defense. In this case of JA, I just can’t understand the seveity of the wounds.

              • I noticed that the back and body wounds looked like dull type knife wounds…and didn’t look as sharply cut as the throat wound…

                Which leads me to believe that the throat was cut with an instrument with a razor blade…

                And this is why I believe that someone else did the actual throat cutting…Jodi in a state of shock had fled the scene…(and both roommates were home by the time she fled the scene that evening…did they not see her or hear her screams of anguish)

                • Yep…someone who knew he NEEDED to be atoned due to his bizarre deviancies…

                • http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_atonement

                  This would be the only explanation of what happen to TA if we take a trip down the alternative theory imo. I still can’t get past the fact she got her nails done on her way to Mesa. And I do think she was cleanly shaven (everywhere) in the naked pics. She premeditated a roll in the hay…..that’s it!

                • I agree I have always thought someone else slashed his throat. It was too clean of a cut IMO. Maybe that is why his roommates stayed in the house until someone came to the house looking for him. They probably just never thought it would take that long. Also why did Zack have a key to his locked bedroom? I always thought that was strange.

                • The throat slashing has always stuck out for me because of the the location of the wound.

                  It wasn’t at the base of the neck, or midway up the neck, it was right under the chin…odd way to slash someones throat IMO.

              • JW,

                “I can’t say I believe JA is innocent”

                Innocent of what? Jodi’s not claiming she’s innocent of killing him. She says she killed him in self defense. Jodi is innocent of premeditated murder.

                Have you looked at the photos of the knife wounds to the back? Most of them are slashing, slicing, shallow type wounds indicitive of Jodi lying on her back with Travis on top and her reaching around and making some weak stabbing actions. It’s not as if they are deep, plunging stabs from behind.

              • JW, I do not know much about the pastor’s wife case, but I can imagine that she possibly knew that she and her three children did not have a chance to get away from his rage. It must have been considered by the jury a case where the only way she and her kids could get away and survive him was to kill him, even by premeditating to shoot him in his sleep.

                But not so with Jodi. If she had premeditated his killing, she would not have waited until 5:30pm to do it knowing the roommate was due at 6pm (with a loud gun,) she would not have had a knife fight with a 200 lbs man (he had defensive wounds,) and she would have coolly cleaned up her print, the bathroom and taken the camera card with her.
                The forensic evidence, the texts, emails, IMs, journal, phone, her behavior and Travis’s all match her testimony and the testimonies of the defense experts.

              • JW

                Firstly welcome.

                So you raise the issue of the knife wounds and their severity. There are a lot of knife wounds, I’ll give you that, but if you let me spell out a scenario, you’ll realize that a lot of them are not very severe, were probably inflicted in a brief struggle and are explicable. The only severe wounds are the one stab to the chest and of course the throat wound. I can actually walk you through a sequence that is supported by both the character of the wounds and the blood spatter. So being in the no-spin zone lets roll.

                The first thing we have to start with is whether or not Jodi’s claim that the shot came first is plausible. To determine the plausibility of this situation let’s first look at the ME’s claim that the shot would have been incapacitating. So here are some web sites of research or anecdotes of shots from a 25 ACP (the caliber used here)

                http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/handgun-stopping-power

                If you really wants the goods on it you can get the book “handgun Stopping Power” by Evan Marshall. It will show you that the stopping power of a 25 ACP is very poor. He tells a story of a hooker who went to the hospital complaining of a severe persistant headache. She was found to have multiple 25 ACP bullets in her head. She thought she had just been beaten, not shot. Now to look at some corroborating evidence. There is aspirated blood spatter on the bathroom sink area. This came from blood in the airway. There are only two wounds that could have led to the aspirated blood spatter. The bullet passing through the sinuses or the throat wound. (the stab wound that entered the body cavity did not damage a lung or the windpipe, check the autopsy report). So either TA walked over and aspirated the blood from the throat wound or from the gun shot. Obviously if he was shot after he was already dead, as the Prosecution claims, and the throat was slashed at the entrance to the bedroom TA would have to walk from the bedroom down the hallway and to the sink and then aspirate the blood over the sink and counter. However, the ME stated and it is obvious that the throat wound would have been incapacitating and rapidly fatal. So it becomes obvious that the shot came early enough in the sequence of events, that TA had the chance to get to the sink and cause the aspirated blood spatter.

                Now let’s look at the next set of blood spatter evidence. The door jamb to the toilet area, the toilet, the walls near the trash can, the trashcan and toilet paper tubes in the trashcan show impact blood spatter at a low level (again from the prosecutions blood spatter expert). She testified that this came from an object hitting the blood source. She also testified that the blood spatter was consistent with coming from multiple such impacts. She estimated the source being about a foot or so above the ground. Furthermore the ME testified that the wounds on the back could be consistent with someone in front of TA reaching around to the back. A look at a picture of the back wounds shows clearly that the back wounds are not straight in stabs. They are too wide based on the ME’s judgement of the width of the blade used in the stab wound. So unless there is now a theory that two separate knives were used those wounds on the back are slashing wounds. Also the ME testified and the the autopsy report shows that the wounds to the scalp were also slashing type wounds. So we are faced with the following situation, the aspirated blood spatter on the sink and a bunch of impact blood spatter that comes from a low level. The slashing wounds that could have caused this impact spatter are on TA’s back and the back of his scalp and the side of his neck. If he was lying face down on the bathroom floor while these wounds were inflicted they would cause that spatter.

                So the next question is how did he get to the floor. Two ways. He could have collapsed and Jodi stood over him and whacked away. But if he had collapsed and was incapacitated, and she inflicted more damage, how did he get to the bedroom hallway. Did Jodi drag him there, slit his throat and then drag him back to the shower? That doesn’t sound plausible. However, lets look at another alternative. He’s standing over the sink, aspirating, but far from incapacitated, she comes over, he starts yelling and pushing and she grabs the knife that was on the vanity, he knocks her down to the floor and she starts flailing away with the knife, over his back. Now you have a reasonable explanation for the back and scalp wounds and it is supported by the blood spatter. Also the wounds are correctly placed ad angled for a left handed person, which if you’ve noticed is what Jodi is. Amongst the knife wounds are the half dozen or so defensive wounds to his hands. These could have come while he was trying to knock her down, or in fact while they were struggling on the floor.

                Now lets assume she manages to get out from under him. She’s probably winded and he’s probably starting to fade too. They try get down the hallway, reeling against the walls. This accounts for the blood smearing a few feet up on the walls as well as her bloody palm print. They come together again at the end of the hallway, she stabs him again and maybe he collapses onto all fours. Now she slits his throat. This accounts for the large blood stain at the end of the hallway.

                So there you go, a perfectly plausible scenario, supported by the forensic evidence, the ME’s testimony other than when the shot was fired and the autopsy report. In fact this scenario is supported by prior testimony given by Flores. And by the way try timing yourself whaling away with a knife delivering all those wounds to the head and the back. I did, it took about 10 seconds of frantic whaling around.

                So now to the question of why the prosecution has changed its story about when the gun shot wound was fired. The answer actually lies in AZ law, court procedure and particulars of this case. In AZ there are a set of distinctly defined aggravating factors for which the prosecutor can seek the death penalty. Also by AZ court procedure the prosecution has to go through an evidentiary and probable cause hearing in front of a judge to show that they have enough probable cause to support each of the aggravating factors for seeking the death penalty. In this case the prosecution had sought the death penalty based on about 6 different causes. In the hearing the judge found that five of those causes could not be supported. That left the prosecutor with just one cause – cruelty. Now cruelty in this context is the willful infliction of pain prior to the death. That means that in his case JM would have to prove, beyond a reasonable doubt that Jodi’s actions were deliberately aimed to inflict cruel pain prior to death. This has to be shown as intentional cruelty. I think he realized that he probably couldn’t do this. Now there is one aggravating factor that they had tried which the court had originally ruled out. But I think JM has seen a way to try and resurrect that charge. That aggravating factor is causing injury after the infliction of the fatal wound. They had actually listed this earlier, but it was turned down because there was no evidence to show that any wounds had been inflicted after the throat wound , which had been determined to be the immediate cause of death. However, if the got Flores to change his story and the ME to go along, they could argue that the gun shot came last and hence there’s another aggravating factor. And by the way, the defense thinks this is their angle too, because JW and KN have filed a motion that will disallow the prosecutor to present or argue aggravating factors that have already been denied by the judge.

                So JW, sorry for the long post, but maybe this will give yu some food for thought.

                • Excellent post, Al. Thank you so much for going through all of that. I really hope the defense does something along these lines during closing arguments.

              • Hi JW and welcome to our little group here.

                Initially, I was also a bit put off by the “overkill” as I was thinking of it. But I thought through it, somewhat with the help of a friend, also a domestic violence survivor. I am a domestic violence survivor myself and the last time my ex-husband and I resided together, he tried to kill me. I had been talking to domestic violence hotlines for some months beforehand and they had all told me that when he became abusive, I should stay out of the kitchen, and if it occurred in the kitchen, I should do my best to get out of there because there are knives which could be dangerous. Well, on that fateful night, it did occur in the kitchen. He donned a surgical glove and was going to hit me in the head with a large wine bottle he was holding in his gloved hand. For a moment as I was trying to back out of the kitchen, I thought about going back in and getting a knife. My friend asked me to think through it a little further and think about what I would have done if I had been able to reach a knife. Would I have stabbed him once or repeatedly until I was 1000% sure he was really dead? I realized that I would have had to do the latter. I would have been terrified that he would come after me.

                While I was working all of this out, I also happened to watch the HBO documentary about Wendy Maldonado who, together with her oldest son, killed her abusive husband with a hammer and an ax, smashing his skull to pieces. I also came across the stories of two other women who killed their abusive husbands, Susan Wright, and Barbara Sheehan. Susan stabbed her husband 193 times. Barbara shot her husband 11 times with 2 different guns. After reading their stories, I realized that just as my friend had walked me through, for an abused woman in terror, one shot or one stab simply isn’t enough to ensure that your abuser is going to stop coming after you.

                Is the case you’re talking about of the pastor’s wife, the Mary Winkler case? If so, she was actually convicted of voluntary manslaughter. However, her sentence was only set at 210 days and she had already served 5 months by that time. Therefore, she only had to serve 60 days in a mental health facility, and probation.

        • I had to go look because I forgot how she looks, what a pretty girl. A lot of these women are jealous and just can’t accept the fact that they don’t look so good and aren’t young anymore. Bunch of biddies that are frustrated and take it out on people they don’t even know and will never know. Like a vicious hen party….

          • Yes Leah I have noticed that a lot of this hate is coming from women. It seens women can be so vicious to or about women because of jealousy. It is sad because we should try to uplift each other not tear them down.

            • I find it somewhat depressing to see and read all the hatred from these loud mouth women.

              IMO they want to be the loudest to be noticed by the men on these sites, who are mostly misogynists associating Jodi with their archetype of the ‘evil murderous entrapping whore’ who must be trashed and deserves to die. The women distance themselves from the Jodi character by screaming the loudest. It’s not going to help them if they hang around these guys long enough, though.
              Perhaps they’re also bloodthirsty spoiled female brats who have bullied their female siblings, classmates or coworkers all their lives and gotten away with it.

  160. I’m tired of all the bullying going on as well, and I even mentioned that over on the Alyce LaViolette fan page on facebook. In their minds, they’re doing this to get justice for Travis, but bullying is all the majority of it is. Two wrongs don’t make a right. As a victim of bullying myself, I know how horrifying it is. I think I would rather die than go through what I went through when I was bullied.

    • I seriously don’t think Travis himself would approve of what his supporters(well some)are doing.

    • I wonder if the ones that have children are bullying other children at their schools because of the influence from their bullying type-parents from the home front?

  161. QUESTION:

    Does anyone know for certain when was the last time Travis’s roommate, Zach, saw/spoke to him?

    I saw an interview with him on Nancy Grace. He looked really beat up over the murder, really upset. Anyway, Zach told Nancy Grace that the last time he saw/spoke to Travis was the Sunday before the killing. Now, considering the horrific incident took place on Wed, that means he did not see/speak to Travis for 3 days up to the killing + 5 days after (time it took to find his body).

    • Others Who Had Trouble Remembering

      (The information below was taken from Flores Report)

      The last time Zach remembered seeing Travis was Thursday morning, June 5. Zack said he was leaving the house @1130 hours that morning on his way to meet his girlfriend, Amanda. He saw him in passing as he walked out of the house.

      The last time Enrique thinks he remembers seeing Travis was on Wednesday evening, after he got home from work. Enrique said he normally gets home from work @ 1800 to 1830 hours. He remembered Travis on the phone possibly on a conference call.

      I believe Flores had to tell each of these guys that neither of their stories was accurate because Travis was already dead at the time they claimed to have seen him.

      Enrique later said he could not be certain what day it was he last saw Travis. I can’t remember how Zach explained his memory lapse.

      • So Flores just let this go… instead of investigating it further (given Jodi’s claims of 2 other people being there and committing the actual crime) … he just gave them a way out??

        Flores should be fired.

        • Not that I am saying his roommates are involved or definitely involved, but seriously… investigating further would have been a good idea.

    • NK…this link is easier to follow in a chronological order of events that Wednesday…

      https://jodiariasisinnocent.com/the-flores-report-jodi-arias-is-innocent-june-4th-2008/the-esteban-flores-report-detailed-breakdown-jodi-arias-is-innocent-team-jodi/

      4:00 am June 4, 2008 Weds Jodi arrives at Travis’ house in a white rental car.
      Morning June 4, 2008 Weds Zach Billings (Travis roommate) his day off work. Zach said he got up and returned (his) car rental he had been using. His car was being repaired after being in an accident. (Flores Page 17) NOTE: BOTH Jodi and Zach are driving car rentals during the same time to Travis’ house.
      Morning June 4, 2008 Weds Enrique said the last time he saw Travis was on Wednesday 2008
      6-4-08. He said that he remembered talking to Travis that morning and Travis told him that he had a conference call scheduled that day. Travis also told Enrique that he hadn’t slept very much, only getting about 45 minutes of sleep that night. (Flores Page 15).
      Noon June 4, 2008 Weds Travis last outgoing text was to Chris Hughes about a very
      important conference call for that evening.(Flores Pg 13)
      1:40 pm June 4, 2008 Weds Jodi and Travis make sexually suggestive photos
      3:00 pm June 4, 2008 Weds Zach returned to Travis house 1500 hrs./3pm (Flores Page 17)
      4:00 pm June 4, 2008 Weds Zach went to his girlfriend, Mandy’s house 1600 hrs/4pm (Flores Page 17)
      4:19 pm June 4, 2008 Weds Last activity on Travis’ LAPTOP was at 1619 hrs./4:19 pm
      This consisted of email activity. (Flores Page 11)
      5:29 pm June 4, 2008 Weds Time on the last photo of Travis alive
      5:30 pm June 4, 2008 Weds Time on the photo of Travis bleeding on floor
      6:30 pm June 4, 2008 Weds Enrique said the last time he remembered seeing Travis was on Wednesday evening when he got home from work. He remembered Travis on the phone, possibly on a conference call at 1800 to 18:30 hrs./6pm to 6:30 pm (Flores Page 15)
      9:00 pm June 4, 2008 Weds After Zach CLEANED his girlfriend Mandy’s house he returned to Travis’ house at 2100 hrs./9 pm (Flores Page 17)

      NOTE: Enrique made two different comments to Flores about seeing Travis..one time in the morning…and then the other time in the evening…

    • NK…

      Detective Flores got more truth out of all of them that Monday night when all were making statements to where they were the previous few days…

      Had the detective waited days later or a week later for the interviews…the roommates and their girlfriends and other friends that were in out of Travis’ home during those 5 days after his death…they would have had time to changed their stories around….which is what many of them have done today…

      The detective could have verified with Zach’s boss if he was really off work that Wednesday, June 4, 2008 like Zach said it was his day off work…but it probably was never investigated by Flores…pure negligence in an investigation…all parties should have been thoroughly investigated no matter what…

      • That is what I mean.

        Their statements were odd, time-wise because Travis was already dead. Yet, they still claimed to have seen him. Flores did not follow up on this at all (even though Jodi said there were intruders at Travis’s and that she did not do this). Given that the roommates said they saw him when he was already dead, I am shocked Flores corrected their statements (or alerted them that they were mistaken) instead of being more suspicious.

        Of course, if they really did do it, I would think that they’d already come up with a credible story, and I don’t think that they would have claimed to have seen him after he was already dead. It could have honestly been confusion. BUT I think if his roommates are allowed to be confused about when they last saw him without ridicule from haters, Jodi deserves that courtesy when she says she really can’t remember what happened.

    • This line of thinking, whereby the possibility that JA might have had some help, could tie in well with the possibility of involvement of 1 or more roommates. Here’s how I envision it could’ve happened.

      1. Given TA’s size and weight vs. JA’s size and weight, its hard to imagine she could’ve done all that by herself and more so in such a SHORT time (if we believe the timestamps and memory card processing from the prosc’s lab).
      2. Say at the very moment one or more of the roommates arrive home unexpectedly, a gun shot rings out upstairs, followed by scruffle sounds and screams. Being guys, I would think that before running upstairs that they would grab the only weapon they can find – which would be the largest knife in the case – and get up the stairs and go into the room.

      What he/they see shocks them. They see TA on top of JA trying to choke the living daylights out of her. All the while screaming obscenities (sp?), and is also naked. Not sure of the nature of the assault they are witnessing, (rape, killing her, etc.) he or one of them gets on TA’s back and slits the throat in a frenzy (thus the depth and width of the cut), in an attempt to save her.

      Even if they did not bring the knife from the kitchen, when they burst into the room they might have found it on the night stand, close to where TA and JA were scruffling on the hallway into the bathroom.

      Another point. Does anyone know if the LOCKS to TA’s bedroom were in good condition or broken. Were there any foot marks of door being kicked in found on TA’s bedroom entrance.

      Perhaps, they told her that since they inadvertently killed him to save her, that she would need to carry the blame. They would use the extra days to clean up and not report it and just play dumb.

      Again, this is all a ‘what if’…

    • Gail,

      Thanks for sharing the link to the article. It was very nicely written. However, when I went to email the witer this is message from the site: They are getting hounded by the other side with hate. I am so outraged that steam is coming out my ears……….

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  163. I guess everyone has seen this already…but I just found it…

    And I have to say that this is a remake called “Evil Snow White and the Huntsman” by Padilla Productions…

    It is one totally sick disgusting film…(he shows copies of Jodi’s walmart receipt and her gas purchases at the very end of the film)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qin8vL4N3pg&feature=share

    • Disgusting. In my opinion, that drawing of snow white with a black eye indicates that she was abused.

    • Wait a minute, this padilla guy… Isn’t he the same cowboy hatted bounty hunter that initially posted bail for CA? He was all over on the H(ypocrtical) L(ying) N(etwork). Wow. What is he doing here? Has he gone out to the desert and all the dumpsters looking for the gun and knife? Amazing stuff.

  164. I just checked out something I saw on the Internet that led me to another Jodi Arias Is Innocent type site, only it’s making a mockery of this site and criticizing a lot of the material here. It also has info on Dr. Phil; I guess he is helping Jodi’s family with some expenses and, of course, now the haters are calling for a boycott of him. The site also has info from Jodi’s aunt and sister’s sites with no good purpose for that, either. It’s sad that people are going after not only the accused on trial but anyone else involved with her in any way.

    I thought it was interesting, too, that there was posted the name, address, and phone number of juror No. 5. She seems to be saying a few words here and there although she hasn’t revealed the reason for her dismissal, indicating she will get legal advice and spill her story after the trial-if she can wait that long, it seems. Anyway, I have a hunch that what she’ll do is give some controversial or secret info for more attention and a financial opportunity after the trial; unless she does that, what she says won’t matter when the press can talk to jurors. This woman could be trouble for a case already way out of control. Time will tell.

  165. The fb support page for ALV has been under attack and there is a spin off page and they are planning another onslaught on the support page.

    It’s really frightening to read the comments by some,

    “How dare she say Travis was not the victim. This women is going to regret her decision about joining this case!”

    https://www.facebook.com/pages/Alyce-Laviolette-is-NO-Longer-a-Voice-for-the-Voiceless/359359094173213?ref=ts&fref=ts

    I just can’t believe how out of control these people are.

    • As I said above, I cannot believe FB puts up with this BS. No way in hell would you see this at City-Data.com

      • Tony,.

        FB is all about MONEY….. It is pathetic that a social media site allows this to go on….. totally disgusted tonight by all this drama…..

        Guess they more they put on their FB page the more they hope the jury will read and go their way…… NOT….!!!

        I feel for the defense team and their witnesses.

    • Me either. It’s sickening. And they have the nerve to brag that their page has more ‘likes’. Who cares? I don’t care which page has more likes because I have better things to worry about. I’m just glad I have a brain.

      • They are the ones getting ready to cause a mistrial, not the defense side.

        If it’s really true that Alyce approched Samatha during a break and told her ” it’s nothing personal” what is the defense team going to do …… This is a violation according to AZ laws.

        • I don’t believe that. Even if the family said it, they have a lot invested in this case and know that AV did damage to Martinez case.

          • A violation of being a compassionate person? I have no doubt that AVL saw the pain on their faces when this information was coming out about their brother, and I am sure she realized they had no clue into this side of him.

            I don’t understand…

          • JC,

            I totally agree…. With AV experience she would no not to approach the other side. I was only stating what I read on the other site…….

            JC, you JUAN here more ( wink)……

            • LMAO! I know. I read that nonsense over there too. They will say anything. I dont put it past Samantha to lie though. She’s been the one family member that is off-putting with her eye rolling and denial. She’s a cop. They may believe her. She’s a cop nuff said. LOL JMHO

        • That’s according to that KatieCooLady, the WS poster who claims to be an expert on everything and hangs out at the trial daily. I doubt she was close enough to hear what ALV said to Samantha and I think she’s full of shit in general.

            • Yep…she also claims that Samantha told her “Juan’s handling it.” I think she makes stuff up to see how many of the WS posters will start leghumping her.

              • I bet Juan thinks of her (admin of that facebook page) as an over the top nutjob. All of her followers emailing him 5xs a week ffs!

    • Gail,

      I read the comments below in the YouTube comments section for Alyce LaViolette’s video. I posted them far up this page for Renee. I think Renee is putting together screenshots to send to SJ. I use a mac but I use a PC keyboard with it and I can’t take screenshots, or I would have done so and sent them to Renee. Anyway, it’s alarming that people are saying things like this:

      newworldodour 1 day ago
      Someone should kill this feminazi dyke bitch,

      kitana kitany 1 day ago
      I can’t even bear to see this woman…you should be put to death with Jodi Arias you wicked woman.

      sadtobeaz 1 day ago
      Sharon,
      Actually many people have posted and I quote” kill jew bitch” on this comment section. Many have threaten her harm. Is that not what we are being told that Jodi did to Travis? My point is we are all human beings and being able to have empathy for all human kind is what separates us from wild animals.

      • They are like a bunch of cockroaches, they really are! They are scurrying all over online posting these hateful comments and threats. Do they not realize they are breaking the law?

        I am at a loss for words, I really am….

        • Gail i feel like I’m becoming immune to it. I saw the Casey haters treat elderly women like dirt. I feel like I’ve seen it all. I saw a comment once a week after the verdict asking for violent mob justice toward casey, her legal team and supporters. It’s the same hate, different defendant. It’s sickening!

      • Hit the report post button, pick hate speech, and gender issues. Facebook actually does send ppl warnings and timeouts when they get enough complaints. Happens to this political group I know all the time. LOL

      • TTFTO, you can take screen shots on the mac, use these keys together-control,shift,3, used to do it all the time when I had a mac with a microsoft keyboard. Hope this helps.

      • I posted these comments on youtube as sadtobeaz.
        sadtobeaz 2 days ago
        People may have strong feelings of dislike from what they have been shown on HLN or CNN. However, is there no civility in expressing your thoughts? Yes, we are allowed to have an opinion. Except you loose your voice and creditability when you spew hatred, racial slurs (some think they know what her sexual orientation is). How are they or you any better than the Jodi that they/you are condemning?? Ask yourself if all of this hatred is helping those that are in need of healing….
        Reply ·

        sharonsmith273 2 days ago
        How are they/you better than Jodi ummm that’s right I’m not a murderer. Or better yet a murderer who shows not one iota of remorse and cries only for herself.
        Reply · in reply to sadtobeaz (Show the comment)

        sadtobeaz 1 day ago
        Sharon,
        Actually many people have posted and I quote” kill jew bitch” on this comment section. Many have threaten her harm. Is that not what we are being told that Jodi did to Travis? My point is we are all human beings and being able to have empathy for all human kind is what separates us from wild animals.
        Reply · in reply to sharonsmith273 (Show the comment)

        sharonsmith273 1 day ago
        OK, that may be a good point BUT it’s a huge stretch between posting casual death threats behind a screen and actually committing murder. Do you honestly think anyone is going to harm Alyce? I would assume it’s safe to say it’s just a sad 2013 way of expressing anger, sad and immature but still not close to actual murder.
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  166. Some of these brain dead people are actually accusing Alyce of ruining TA’s reputation. Good grief. I do believe he did that all on his own. She only read the disgusting things that he wrote to Jodi. He said them. When are these people going to realize that Travis was no saint? And I’m not saying he deserved to die, but come on. Don’t blame other people for what he did himself.

    • They are saying that Jodi wrote all these text messages and emailes off of TA’s phone and computer…. that they are FAKE…. Come on people….. if you have two onces of sense you know they can trace all this stuff…………..My BP is sky high tonight …….. The harsh slanderous words and hate is something I cannot fathom from people who call themselves Christians ……

  167. Does anyone know anything about occupy hln.org,? I was told there is a pretty good article calling ALV a game changer and the article makes fun of JM and with the article there is a photo of JM with Wick from Dr.Drew. From what I have been told JM is made to look silly Anyone see this?

  168. dr phil just posted this:

    Dr. Phil
    Been reading some rumors that we are paying for Arias family housing etc… Absolutely untrue. I have never met the Arias family, and neither I — nor my production company — has paid or promised them anything. Robin and I are praying for the Alexander family.

    • And not praying for the Arias family. Dr. Phil sounds like he’s playing God.

      • Not surprising considering that he’s the same douche who kissed George Anthony’s ass and gave him a platform to further tell lies about Casey.

      • By him taking that stand he is in essence saying Jodi is guilty, and that is how all these delusional twits are going to see it.

        And he certainly didn’t need to put in that last part about praying for the Alexander family.

        • Dr. Phil needs “get real”. Isn’t that his mantra? “Let’s get real?”

          • Also, “How’s that working for you?”. A questions that may need to be posed to him and those that are blinded by this irrational hate, when the trial comes to an end with a verdict they may not be prepared for.

          • Yeah! Let’s get real. Not long ago I was at my mom’s one afternoon, she had on Dr Phil. I couldn’t believe it. It looked more like the Jerry Springer show. I use to occasionally watch his show when it begain. It was nothing like what it is now. He’s the same as all the other HLN personalities. Talk about following the money.

        • Yup, same way I see it, he DIDN’T have to add the last part. But he did, and NOTHING about Jodi, jodis family, abuse, bulling…. nothing…….

          That’s whats so sad, these tv hosts have an opportunity to talk and educate others and all they’re doing is taking sides “to save face”. UNBELIEVABLE! !!
          I “LIKED” Dr Phill too, now what? !

      • Dr. Phil is protecting his lucrative TV contract. He doesn’t want to alienate any fans (haters?) because they keep him rolling in dough. Or, he may be thinking of his future and a possible move to HLN.

    • Oh my gosh that sounds horrible should be for both families I would think WOW he is rather disgusting. Worried about the haters I guess since the Travis side is out bashing people right an left an now making
      up stories about people helping out an Arias how horrible these haters truly are! next they will say Obama
      said something which he did on the Trayvon Martin/Zimmerman thing so I would not put it past him but I hope he does not.

      If he gets involved it needs to be about this MEDIA CIRCUS an these groups that are being very vindictive out here against witnesses. How are people suppose to get a Fair trial when this stuff goes on I do not get it.

      • I was laughing as I read some of the comments. The majority of the people were bashing him last night and telling him he was being boycotted, and tonight they are fawning all over him. It’s hilarious!

        There is even one person who posted that he better EXPLAIN the rumor because she tapes his show every day and he needs to clear this up or she will stop watching his show! (not that she will stop taping it, but she will stop watching it! LOLOL)

  169. This is a attack from a Travis supporter an on that Dr. Phil page this is what I am talking about they are really going to far with this stuff it is not right is it ?

    You say he is the real deal ? Well Dr. Phil needs to explain all of the so called rumors !! States his producers were at the jail house per jail records seeing Jodi arias several times !! I sure hope you see all the ppl against this dr Phil bc u will lose a tremendous amount of viewers !! U better think twice about this ! Please let this be a rumor as I record your show daily !! This is terrible vicious rumor that YOU need to explain and quickly as you can tell many thousands of ppl are against you supporting the arias !!

    • “U better think twice about this!” That sounds a bit ominous now doesn’t it?

      • Ya it does. That is funny you mentioned the very same comment I was reading too. Seriously I would think a professional would say he would keep both families in their prayers though but now I wonder he probably does not even do his own page that is maybe a helper on there so who knows if that is even a legit reply really.

    • This is a THREAT TOO and dr phill wouldn’t let people treat him this way, why wouldn’t he put his foot down? ! Because if it was true, he’d rather hid it and make his rattings?! God, that makes me ill!!!

  170. Okay…. feeling naughty and a little inappropriate…

    but I was just remembering the Red Pecker comments,, and laughing my ass off…. I stumbled on the pics again, and holy shit, aside from being funny, it’s TRUE.

    WHY was this guy’s Johnson so damn red??? Irrelevant, yes, but, seriously– was this over use?

      • LOL

        seriously, I hope she didn’t get an STD. I’ve never seen anything like it.

        • I know I have thought the same thing. As much as he was getting around I pray he did not give her anything,

    • I know I felt bad bringing that up but I have never in my life seen one that RED ever WTH? the reason I really noticed also was a Travis supporter was saying they never even had sex that day an she just went there an murdered him. So I replied she needed to check those photos again because both sets of genitals are very RED ! I wonder if those pop rocks do that ? stain you forever ? How do you explain that to a ‘Virgin”?,,,,,,,…… oh that is right they keep the lights off.

      • Oh…. I thought y’all were talking about his nose, because from the pictures I’ve seen, I couldn’t see it. I thought maybe y’all saw a picture of him when he had a cold.

        • K where is the picture? do you have a link? I want to take a peek and see the redness.

    • I think he took the saying “Use it or Lose it” quite literally to be honest. lol

    • I think it may be kind of mean to make fun of his anatomy. Especially given the circumstances.

  171. Isnt it amazing on how the masses have determined Jodi to be guilty,I am sure most of them never heard of Jodi Arias till this unfairly media sensatinalized trial hit the news,Most of the opinions that have been formed are from the news media that doesnt have a soul and would sell out their best buddy for a headline.The haters all sit at home or where ever and use the social media to do their dirty work,I doubt that most of them would have the guts to stand up and speak publically about their views,they are weak and show their uneducated fears.If a person was to go over the circumstances without any infuence from either side,it would be clear what the outcome would be,hence the dirty work of the prosecutor leaking out unknown videos at stratigic times,lying that these interviews were not being taped to the individuals involved.I live in Canada and there has been some horrific trials here also and you never see anything from the media except a few blurbs here and there,most times the media is banned and the judge puts a court order out restricting any news of the trial.This is a fair way of determining if the defendant is guilty or not.I have never seen a prosecutor here in Canada act like Juan Martinez,the judge would have held him in contempt.Juan Martinez is a disgrace to the American law society,badgering the witness,demanding and belittling the witnesses,I am very disgusted with his antics,not a professional at all.There is not much to be said about the Judge in this trial,she seems to be imtimidated by the prosecutor and has lost all control of the court room.KN and JW are true professionals,they treat the witnesses with respect,they do not raise their voices at the witnesses and express their concerns with a stern tone.Even when faced by the liars of Sky and Chris Huges they did not disrespect them.I would certainly think that when they question JMs expert they will try to put doubt into the jurrors minds about her,but they will not defame her like JM di to Dr Samuels and is trying to do to ALV.It was priceless to hear the court laugh at that little prick on thursday,it just made him go off the deep end and show exactly what an asshole he really is,wonder if he signed autographs after that session was over?ALV will no doubt be getting ready for him on Monday,I wonder what lies ahead?Now as I have stated before,Jodi is not getting a fair trial,the jury has been comprimised by the salacious media,a judge that has no rule over her court and now death threats are coming to light more and more.My god,I thought everone is entilted to a fair and unbiased trial and was not guilty till proven innocent.There has been a nagging question that i wish somebody could answer for me,Why did not Jodi have a lawyer from the moment she was arrested,was she lied to by Flores to get her to say what he wanted?Lets all keep the positive coments coming in and there are a lot of good points brought up here,I am sure lots of these could be forwarded to the defence.The truth will be known soon and Jodi will be a free woman,God Bless Jodi.

    • Yes she should of asked for a lawyer when she was arrested but she did not ask for one though she has that right even if she cannot afford one. I really wished she had asked for one because that really hurt her case. I thought she sold insurance for a company called Pre Paid Legal that from my understanding provides you with a lawyer if you pay the monthly fees. Maybe she did have insurance at that time. I am just being sarcastic about PPL. Everyone in this country should take note to always ask to talk to your attorney or ask for one even if you are innocent because the police will turn your words around and they can lie to you as well. I have seen too many people found guilty in this country because they did not have a lawyer when they were arrested. And now many are being released because they were innocent. I am sure there are many more still in prison that are innocent. Thank God for people that do the innocent projects to help them overturn their conviction.

    • Hi Al,

      Yes, unfortunately it looks like we did lose a bunch of posts from this morning, maybe somewhere in the region of 75. This was due to the server upgrade we just completed. It looks like the posts were lost in the final stages of transition.

      We had the choice (Friday) of either keeping the site up and possibly risking the loss of a few Sunday morning posts, or taking the site down totally for 48 hours – and we went with the former option.

      We plough on!

      SJ
      Team Jodi

  173. Exactly how many reports does FB need to take a page down for harassment? They haters are still going strong this morning toward Alyce. I’m really scared for her. They are sickening.

    Anyone know? I think we should all jump over there and report all of the Travis sites for harassment? Idk?

    • They’ve just taken this to a whole new level. A very, very disturbing one at that. And it should not be tolerated is all I’m saying. Support for Travis, absolutely! This shit, absolutely NOT!

        • FB is thick as bricks when it comes to taking a page down. There is one page that has over 33 thousand likes, it’s gonna take hundreds of reports to get that page taken down. Ugh!

    • I have been consistently reported all harassing pages or comments for 6 weeks now. I was told on FB that I was a member of the Jodi Arias support group also an to stay off that Support for Travis Page ? I don’t know how but that group sent me a message on FB an said some nasty things an I replied back we are not the group slandering people an copied an pasted an example back to them they said we were starting the vicious gossip? then after I replied that group again sent me a message of FU ? I replied No Thanks you have been rejected on your offer. An that was it I haven’t went too see if they sent back another though. They feel they are superior an can slander anyone who does not agree with what they are doing. I am not saying anything about the group itself it is the constant slandering an harassment of witness an the defense team.

      I guess I just can’t get over a HUGE GROUP like that thinks it is A OK to do what they are doing. YES it is fine to be on Travis’s side an believe the crap they believe. I guess. But if you are listening to the evidence an still want to believe that Travis was a Saint an murdered in Cold Blood. I am sorry I just think that is closed minded people that would railroad anybody for a crime.

      IT was SELF DEFENSE I believe it. I believe that TRAVIS was the one being REJECTED by women. He had a big fat EGO. An could get JODI to make his EGO big again. She should tell more about his ugly side but for some reason she wants to protect him an his family’s image an it really is hurting her more. I just have a feeling that day was the last day for these sexual escapades an Jodi told him that. Ryan was on her mind.

      All that combined with the camera being dropped an Mimi telling him they could just be friends was enough for a rage fit an it was on. I can see it but not many can they have this cold blooded murder thing in their head which makes no sense at all. Maybe it is just HLN pumping up the dummies.Sure are a lot of them though an it makes me ill.

  176. AL***** the thing with the stolen gun do they have a photo of it the gun was stolen from the house how did they come to the conclusion it was a 23 calaber did the house have a box of bullits for it somewhere where is it in black and white and my the way there is a copy of the call that ashley made to police in evidence somewhere saw that somewhere her ??? to tired to think anymore put for day to be crushed that my discovery was for nothing have a good all praying hail marys for jodi hoping for a really good day monday

    • No idea. I did find the police report and it says that its a 25 caliber gun with black grips, 3-4 inches long by 3-4 inches high, loaded with 7 rounds of Full Metal Jacket hollow points. That sort of fits the general size and capacity of 25 caliber handguns. For instance the North American Arms Guardian is 3.32in x 4.4 In and holds 7 rounds, the Berettas are about the same etc.

      I didn’t see any 25 ACP boxes clearly in the one picture someone posted, but that only showed the front and the box could be in the back somewhere. The problem I have found is that if these were in fact FMJ hollow points, then that ammo is a lot rarer than you would think, and definitely doesn’t match the bullet removed from TA.

      And then of course Jodi’s dad claims it was a 22.

      So I don’t know what if anything this means.

      • This is precisely why I believe that the gun that killed Travis WAS Travis’ because there was one bullet. ONE bullet. If in fact she had taken the stolen Grandpa’s gun to kill him, I’m pretty sure she would have pumped his head full of bullets. It was Travis’! It was supposed to be unloaded just as she thought and that is why there was only ONE bullet at the scene. That’s just my opinion and conclusion from all the evidence that I have been provided with. 🙂

  177. Just got off a farcebook comment how ALV is aggressive and bullying JM
    Juan Martinez thinks he’s Won Martinez and this trial is in his pocket
    Mr Napoleon believes he is SUPERMAN , Guess what ALV is kryptonite she is zapping
    your fangs and poisonous mouth will be quieted once and for all ALV is your Waterloo
    Mr Napoleon Welcome to Devil’s Island JM

  178. It is amazing the amount of bias and support AGAINST Jodi and anyone supporting her, no matter how innocent they are, as reflected not only over the Internet and in media coverage, but right within the courtroom from the judge’s attitudes to JM’s conduct, etc. If Jodi is found guilty-not due to factual evidence but the emotions and politics involved in this trial, there will certainly be plenty of material upon which to place an appeal. There is also the possibility that facts may become available after the trial, especially since there was such an incomplete investigation done by law enforcement.

    There are websites that give more information on how the justice system works and what its flaws are that help people, like myself, who really find themselves looking more critically for the first time at how our system works to provides a fair trial to every citizen. One of them is the website for the Innocence Project. There’s some interesting reading and resources about the justice system that I was not aware of and helps put things in perspective for me, even though these things actually hinder, rather than promote, the exposure of truth and provision of fairness. Hopefully, this trial will act as a catalyst to promote much needed reforms.

    • Oh yea they troll through here saying we are all going to hell. And those are the nice comments!

  179. It’s dream time folks. At this stage in the game, if it was up to me, and of course I am not a lawyer so this is all just bunkum, here is what I would do as the defense team.

    This is the “wouldn’t it be great if ….” type of post.

    1. I would get my staff to comb through ER reports about people with 25 ACP head wounds. I know the statistics exist (BTW first shot to the head incapacitating percentage for 25 ACP (rom the Police Marksman Association records) is about 30%. I would then recall Kevin Horn (the ME) to the stand and walk him through each one of those reports.

    2. I would then recall the ballistics examiner and walk her through the difference between hollow point bullets and what she found from TA.

    3. I would then walk their blood spatter expert and walk her through my theory of how the blood spatter came about into being, with only leading questions asking “Is this consistent with …….”. It doesn’t matter if JM goes back and says is something else consistent. As long as we have our theory being consistent, we’d be OK.

    4. Next I would recall Kevin Horn, the ME, one more time. This time I would use him as a Medical expert and walk him through the physiological effects that Dr Samuels explained, but get him to agree to them as a physician and not a psychologist.

    Then I would rest.

    • ok, my lost post from before, my dream time.

      I wish that after all the information that has come to light, the Alexander family would set a great example to people by asking the death penalty to be off the table.

      It takes people who are enlightened and evolved to do something like that for the person responsible for their loved one’s death. Self-defense or not.

      I know it won’t happen, but I can wish it anyway!

      • Your right BeeCee, it would take a very special kind of person to do so. If they dont have it in there hearts, I dont know how they would even consider it. They really WANT her dead, and they’re NOT giving up on that. Iv said before if they were given the chance to stone Jodi, I blv they would take it I a heart beat. And that’s SAD.

      • Or at least acknowledge that the evidence shows that Travis was not treating women right! An acknowledgement would go along way in shutting the mob up. What I’m a little concerned about, is that recent rumor that Samantha and AV spoke. I don’t trust her to convey the information without bias against AV IF that even happened!

        • Idk about that either. What bothers me about that is that if they ARE speaking to eachother, (are they even allowed, is it a no no or would it even matter), idk, i guess not as long as they’re not talking about the case.

          But, what botheres me is, if Toshiba is in good terms with Mrs ALV, then why wouldn’t she post something up on the TA fb or wherever they say there thank you’s for donations received, wherever and put out a post to lv the expert of the case ALONE, that they are doing there jobs just as if they were the experts for the prosecution, to STOP the madness with the experts, PERIOD!

          THAT, right there would help ME have some sympathy for them and like them a little more. But, if they haven’t thought about it or have no heart to care for another person careers and there families, especially IF like you said, that they might’ve been seen talking, then thats SO TWO FACED and WRONG!!!!

          • I haven’t heard that they are on any good terms.

            I know my respect for them would skyrocket if they came out with something showing they have a heart.

            They have had a long time believing the lies from the hughes and TA’s “friends” though and I don’t know if that is something they are capable of understanding…the truth about their brother versus the media and hughes lies.

        • It does appear that she spoke to Samantha, the haters are saying it is illegal, but it is not. The court is to “minimize” contact, it doesn’t say contact is illegal…

          Of course it also depends on how SA reacts to it.

          I pray that SA is mature enough to know that AL offering an apology is not harassment. even though the brainless haters think it is.

          We don’t know 100% that it is true, we may or may not find out.

          • As I understand the victim’s rights, the Alexander family has the right to refuse to speak to anyone connected with the defense. I’m not really sure I believe the story that ALV approached Samantha. But if it is true, Samantha had the right to refuse to speak to her, and probably did. I don’t see anything illegal in ALV approaching her though.

            Has Al looked into this? He would probably come up with more than I can.

            • I don’t believe AV did that for now. I’m sorry if this sounds callous, but i think certain parties aren’t above lying to discredit this witness. I hope they have cameras where this occured and it doesn’t turn into a she said, she said thing.

    • Oh Al….. that’d be a great idea, why couldn’t they??? Sometimes I think there office is short staffed, they could be doing a little more investigation on there own (I would think).

      BUT, can Nurmi get away with calling K. Horn back up and using him as a physician to agree with what dr Samuel testified? ?? Oh, Martinez would shit his pants, and that’s IF K. Horn would agree, something about him didn’t seem right (to me). I still think he changed or lets say, (made some modifications) to his report to fit with what the Maricopa County Police and Investigation Dept would rather have the report to read.

    • Al, I think much of the first 3 would be considered irrelevant in this phase, unfortunately. If Jodi is convicted, however, it may be relevant during the sentencing phase. Why? Because at this point, Jodi is admitting to killing Travis. How it happened (as in, the sequence) is really not that important right now. What’s important now is (a) did she kill him in self defense? and (b) was the killing premeditated or not.

      In regards to #4, recalling Kevin Horn to discuss trauma and PTSD as a physician, I don’t think that would be a good idea. I believe his specialty is in forensic pathology, and presumably, to have been appointed medical examiner in Maricopa county, he most likely has a great deal of experience in his specialty. It has been many years since he went to medical school, and thereafter, he presumably completed residencies in anatomical pathology and forensic pathology. That means he spent 5-6 years in residency subsequent to medical school before becoming board certified in his specialties. And it appears he has been a medical examiner for 6 years. He is very much removed from anything other than his specialty, therefore. I do not believe he could be used as an expert in PTSD and trauma at this point in time.

      However, it may not have been a bad strategy for the defense to have called a psychiatrist. Finding one at this point in time who could become familiar with the case would be extremely difficult. And it may not be allowed.

      • also abused,

        And during the rebut case, the state will have their expert. My question is does a defendant have to comply with an evaluation by a state expert knowing full well it would comprise their defense? It seems odd to me legally speaking…

  180. Yesterday, I was in a bad mood after all this stupidity and ignorance was being spouted and written by the flying monkeys, you know the wicked witches followers, JM, I think it’s a better characterization of him in the female form because of missing parts in the genital region, you know the berries! Anyways, after having a few drinks with friends I remembered that I do like people, because after reading all the trash I really wasn’t sure anymore. I woke up this morning and went along with my day. I began to think of some of them who really agitate me, and I was able to come to a conclusion. Each of them seemed to have something in common, they all had heartbreak…… I began to find myself shedding a small tear for them (not really) but it sounds like the kind and right thing to do. So I am a giver, and I want to help heal this heartbreak do I decided that I would wish really hard. I closed my eyes really tight and said aloud,Mirror,Mirror on the wall, please grant my wishes to help them all. For JM I wish for lifts in his shoes, to help him stand tall and be a man. I wish for a longer mirror in the bathroom so he doesn’t have to be on tiptoes when he’s shaving. I wish he had leather pants and a microphone and was singing, SATISFACTION, just like the Stones,women would be throwing their orthopedic shoes and canes up to him. He would be a ROCKSTAR! All his dreams fulfilled. His heart overflowing, He was finally where he wanted to be! Katie Wick, she so deeply wants to be relevant so my wishes for her, the elusive beauty pageant title, she in her crown in a float waving to her admirers, the pomp and circumstance surrounding her and giving her dreams if confetti and the song echoing through her mind, “Here she comes Miss Katie”, the petticoats and little white gloves will sure never be the same. Dr.Drew ,OHH ,he’s an easy one. Look, it’s an A list celebrity who drinks too much. He’s coming to the rescue! Let me help you. His hands are stretched out to reach for this desperate being. There are cameras,spotlights, and flashing lights. Dr.Drew’s heart is full, it’s bubbling over. He has finally done it! No more D list celebrities shoving coke up their nose. He’s made it! He’s with the popular kids. He’s going to the academy awards! He will be on stage at the Grammys rapping with a superstar in no time. He’d broken through the velvet rope. The angels sing. I figured I can’t help everyone,but, I think I have one more in me, who needs it most, who is most deserving of my magic mirror? It’s Nancy yes, Nancy Grace will be my greatest accomplishment. Where do I begin. I’m stumped so many choices, but what is deepest in Nancy’s heart of hearts….. BOMBSHELL AN HLN EXCLUSIVE Lets go straight to our own Vinny P. it has been announced exclusively on HLN footage that can only be seen here. No other Network has the low IQ or ate so money grabbing, fame whores, as we are here. Vinny’s voice begins to tremble, remember folks you saw it here with me first and exclusively with me. Normally, you know we love to take people’s tragedies and suck them dry for everything they are worth and still feed off of the trampled body,spirit and soul. We groom our viewers to be able to follow us in mindless appreciation. I feel the power going through me! But, lets get back to our Exclusive footage you will only see here and then we will come back to talk about it with are expert. Nancy Grace Can and Does Walk On Water! You have just seen it here folks, our very own Nancy Grace WALKING ON WATER! I have never seen such footage. We have always known it to be true, we now have the exclusive footage. Lets take it in to out studio. I have with me an expert in psychology. A man who needs no introduction, our very own Charles Manson. Charles can you tell us what we are seeing,can you get into the minds of our viewers. “Hey, hey man. Did you see the rabbit jump out if the hat? Listen,listen I know about mind control all you flying monkeys watching and I’m telling you I am the real thing. Follow me, I will lead you down the glittery, golden path. Come on man be a sheep, follow me.” Thank you, Charles for that gripping evaluation. Lets go back into our studio, BOMBSHELL , Nancy Grace walks on water!

    I know alot of us have been struggling with the hatred and stupidity that has been everywhere. Take a minute and regroup. I hope you got a chuckle. Try to relax. I am sure there will plenty to be upset about tomorrow. Give it a try, go ahead you know you want to be a giver. Make a wish come true! It makes me happy to know that there are people out there that can distinguish fact from fantasy. There are people out there with humanity,brains (that they use) and a soul. Keep the faith everyone! Wouldn’t Dr.Phil be awese in this as an expert, with Robin by his side constantly stroking his ego throughout! “That’s so good Phil, you are so smart Phil, you are the king, Phil.” Lmao!

  181. You guys remember the video with JM talking on trial and the TV is then blowed up?! Well, they’ve made a big deal of it!!!!!!! What about ALL the threats and joke videos they’ve made of Jodi, her family, the defens and all the career bashing they’ve done with Dr. Samuels and ALV???? They considered THAT video a threat to Martinez but what about the hate videos and all the other stuff hitting the Internet???
    Really, people get on with it! They’re protesting about the video because our nation is going through this whole gun control dalema, BUT what about BULLYING AND ABUSE??? Have they forgotten about that, what WE HERE have been trying to show the rest of the world to see!!!!

    “Arias prosecutor Juan Martinez targeted in YouTube video” take a look. And I remember who the video came from, IT WAS A JOKE!!!!! Whatever happened with her, I haven’t seened her on in a while??????

    http://wap.myfoxphoenix.com/w/main/story/88643401/

    • I think the concern stems from prosecutors being targeted and killed in Texas which is of course, not okay. I suspect that’s why this has now become a big deal.

    • After all the disgusting threats made against Jodi, the defense, her supporters, friends and family, a joke video about blowing up a TELEVISION set would be a low priority problem. Especially after all the shit Alyce LaViolette and Dr Samuels have gone through recently.

      As usual, they pick and choose what to be concerned about, rather than practicing what they preach. How about they start weeding out all the loonies and criminally insane from the Travis Taliban before getting their panties in a wad over a stupid joke video?

      No, I have not seen her in a while. Sadly after this, I don’t know if she’ll come back…

  182. It means that when she was telling the second story of the two intruders she was not lying at all. She was describing things the best way she could given that she could not remember much at all. During her interrogation tapes, she asked Flores if she could see the pictures. She stated ” You may think me morbid for asking, but can I see some of these pictures you have> Maybe it will help me piece things together” Flores told her he would not let her see the pictures because they were too bad and didn’t want her doing anything. I think he felt she may be suicidal at that point.

  183. Following this case from Australia – I cannot believe how the judge could possibly believe that none of the jurors have seen any media coverage / public opinion or spoken to ANYONE about this case. I am 10,000 miles away and cannot escape the media coverage, nor the hideous ‘news shows’ commentaries and biased discussions about the case streamed here.
    The general and blatant denial of justice for Jodi Arias is so obvious I call for a mistrial and disciplinary action taken against all those involved.

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