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    • Yes, Jason you did an amazing job with all your research, connecting the players in this scam and writing a comprehensive article. Thanks for bringing this SCAM out of the dark and into the light of day for all the see.

      • Thank you from me too, Jason, I’m an avid reader on your site and have posted too.

        • Excellent article.It was indeed long but it was definitely worth it!

      • Yes, excellent article on Occupy HLN. Thank you!

        If you listen to the media and shows like Nancy Grace and Doctor Drew, you’d think the brothers and sisters were practically saints and they are enduring such financial hardship and emotional trauma because of this trial and Jodi Arias. When I first began watching the family in court, I felt very badly for them, just as I do any of the spouses and family members who have to go through trials involving the loss of a loved one. However, as the trial progressed, I began to notice how they were crying and doing things like continually rolling their eyes, walking out of the courtroom, sobbing and otherwise attracting attention from the cameras in view of all, at times even the jurors. This kind of emotional display is not something I have seen so often from other families in court and I wondered why they were allowed to act so inappropriately.

        Then, toward the end, Samantha, surprising a police officer who should know better about how to act in court and keep emotions under control, and who probably at times suggests individuals going to court to do just that, continued to elicit sympathy from jurors and the public as she kept crying and getting so emotional, barely getting through her next words at times, and telling everyone how her family was forever “ripped” apart and how they were suffering financial hardship to be able to be at the trial all this time.

        The family does deserve sympathy, no doubt. But there are many other families who have gone to trial without all the drama and have conducted themselves with dignity and appropriate behavior in a court. Emotions run deeply and finances add up despite monetary assistance from the state and church or other organizations, but others go through it without all the emotions and financial requests we see in this case.

        Additionally, others have read statements like Samantha did during a sentencing phase, and showed more emotional restraint than her, and within much less time after a death. We have to keep in mind that Travis has been dead now FOR OVER FIVE YEARS and that the family has had time to cry, experience their emotional pain, and go through the stages of grief. From what we’ve seen in public displays of the most photographed and talked about family members, you’d think Travis had died more recently.

        As I see it, there are one or two possible reasons for how the prominent family members have been behaving: 1) They are taking advantage of all the publicity they are getting to raise money and try emotionally to influence the outcome of this trial and 2) they are messed up psychologically because of their very dysfunctional family backgrounds and are, at least subconsciously, using their brother’s tragedy to blame for all their problems and issues in life, i.e. Jodi is the one responsible for all their misfortunes, and as long as she is alive, they will continue to suffer. By doing so, Samantha can continue to carry on as she is, and do it more months and years, and keep the death fresh in her mind and dominating her life. Along these lines, and as Jodi remains alive, she will continue to feel ripped apart emotionally rather than realize she should get past her revengeful intent and hatred for Jodi, move on with the help of psychological help and counseling, and face the real demons in her life. No amount of money she and her family can raise will ever compensate for this.

        • Hmmm. There is a documentary that has been showing lately on the documentary channel in my area that is interesting to me as related to this case. It is about how the Mormons completely engineered a campaign to get rid of Proposition 8 in California to ban gay marriage. It was amazing how much they engineered that.
          The issue is that they are a Church, yet they behaved like a political action lobby. That is still being investigated, I think (was getting really sleepy toward the very end).
          But, from watching that, I have no doubt whatsoever in my own mind that there is a “Mormon Media Blitz” just as Jason of OccupyHLN says, against Jodi. One that is every bit as much a deliberate, engineered effort against Jodi as their campaign to get rid of Proposition 8 in California.
          Why? I think this case is MUCH bigger to them than anyone realizes. They want Mitt Romney to win the Presidential election, probably next time, or election after that. They put extreme effort into their image in the public mind. They believe that they are destined to run this country, as exhibited by their actions re: Proposition 8 where they have imposed their religious beliefs on the political system, which is none of their damned business. This country was founded on separation of Church and State and that is pretty much what makes this country this country.
          If Jodi gets off, the Mormon church looks terrible. It wipes out decades of carefully managed PR, in their effort to get the general public to view them as “mainstream” enough to have their candidate Mitt Romney run for President.
          This case, if it were viewed based on the facts, exposes them as the cult they are, and exposes their average Mormon young single male and his activities, and it looks terrible. They have to ruin her.
          If you look at the amount of money they must have spent defeating gay marriage, and the tactics they pulled getting that money from their members, then I can only imagine the pressure they’ve put out throughout the church to run this Mormon Media Blitz that Jason talks about.
          From my experiences on the comment sections of the news articles on this case, especially Facebook, this is a very deliberate, organized attack on anyone and everyone who dares to disagree with their position and I’m sure everyone knows who has experienced it too.
          That makes me think that everything about that family is calculated and directed.
          I don’t believe them for a moment, to me, all of it is acting at this point. As you said, 5 years has passed. There is no way it isn’t pretty much scripted, although, I’m sure they do still feel grief, that doesn’t mean it isn’t purposeful manipulation of the media.
          They want the money, it is helping them get it, and probably a lot of it goes to the Mormon Church, if I had to guess.

          • OMG!!!! I read that entire page, and WOW! Guess I’m use to the laws in my state! What is going on, and why can’t they get this stopped? I see why Romney wasn’t voted in now!!
            Dang! What a bunch of BS! Tanisha (or whoever) has a record, now I’m tellin’ ya! Do you think that’s why she didn’t get up and speak?

            • I know. The laws in California are the same as in your state, about keeping religion out of government, but you’d have to watch that documentary to see how they did it. They were very, very sneaky. They went to other churches, such as the Catholic church.

              The POSED as “regular people”, and went door to door getting signatures, carefully keeping people from realizing they were Mormon!!!!!!!

              Who thinks they haven’t done that in this case?! All of those people on the court steps, “commenting” to the media? Planted. That’s my take on it. That’s what they did to get the ban on gay marriage passed. They had a whole bunch of “training videos” on how to talk to people casually and influence them to vote for Proposition 8.

              It is really, really sick and wrong.

              • I didn’t learn about the Mormons until Romney. I had NO clue the CULT was that large! I’m a Republican, my brother is a Pastor, but he wouldn’t vote Romney! He said, I prayed about it, and I just couldn’t do it! Now I see why! Although he kept his opinions to himself. I asked WHY?, but he remained silent…..
                BTW- People using my name, you will be found out and prosecuted!! I support Jodi 100%! Gotta a problem w/that? Bring it on!!

                • As far as Occupy HLN…..Dang!
                  It’s like this…… You either love Jodi, or hate her…..
                  I won’t waste my time arguing with a bunch of Jodi haters! It’s like trying to convert a Mormon to TRUE Religion!

                • I’m a Mormon, I believe in Christ and I know he doesn’t hold it against me for supporting Jodi or for being a Mormon.

                • Most people who are Mormon wouldn’t consider falling into this “hive” trap.

                  What we have is a small group of them who have something to hide or something to preserve (such as business interests and reputations) who want to stifle ALL dissent, and then there are some who subscribe to the old doctrine of blood atonement.

                  The whole farce is unbelievable.

            • I do think that is why Tanisha did not speak an the fact that she was helping
              with the harassing the witnesses as in Dr. Samuels an Alyce she had the
              petitions on her FB wall she was fueling the hatred. An the fact that her
              black rotten teeth would have shown when speaking I think is another
              factor. People would think she was a drug addict for sure. I feel sorry for
              that family only because they all claim to be close an are liars themselves
              an drag Jodi through the mud with lies they never even met Jodi.

              They all
              claim they are so close well a brother that close does not lay in a shower
              dead Wed Thur Fri Sat Sun an then Mon finally someone shows up? Travis
              missed Work meetings an Church meetings an Church on Sunday? An this
              was Monday night 10 pm? come on ! why because the Cancun Trip was the
              next day. If it were not for that trip who knows how long he would have laid
              there!

          • Speaking on if any goes to the mormon church, it would have to if they are mormon, because all monies are tithed at 10%. It is about the same in most religions, people tithe monies to them.

        • I loved what he wrote. He’s an honorable man. Kids always defend their parents, or should, if they’re equally honorable. And visa versa. 🙂 Wise parents make wise kids!

      • Hi,
        Where may I read Jason’s article? I am studying and making notes on this trial and I daily go over testimony etc. It is truly a disgrace what the media is doing in misrepresenting testimony and taking things truly out of context. HLN is a sensationalist news show, but for all the supposed other credible news stations to to misleading and not objective should be illegal, shouldn’t it? I’m hoping SJ and team are figuring out a way to hold all thse news stations accountable and more. I wish would have gotten the password. I wish i could help.

    • SEEMS MOST PEOPLE ON OCCUPY HLN ARE JUDGEING JODI !!!!!!! DON’T JUDGE SOMEBODY IT MIGHT come back and bite you in the ass !!!! I GET IT its all a big scandal I understand .But as far as the comments on that site .I think I’ll stay right here on we are Team Jodi …. And we will vicious make no mistake !!! where I’ve been since it all began ……. R.I.P.Travis Prayers always for Jodi Arias family & Friends .And remember keep in mind nobody Wins in this So why don’t we JUST END THIS HERE AND NOW .mjmm aryjane mjmmorales Mary

      • Oh my gosh, I was just going to say that, I “liked” Occupy HLN yesterday and posted a few things on my real fb and wow, the mean crazy people are allowed to post there so I am back here, I feel safe here 🙁

    • This is J.M boss he is the one that can stop this its crazy to retry this.

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      County Attorney Comments on Outcome in State v. Jodi Ann Arias

      PHOENIX, AZ (May 23, 2013) – Maricopa County Attorney Bill Montgomery released the following statement in response to the lack of a unanimous decision in the penalty phase of State v. Jodi Ann Arias:

      “We appreciate the jury’s work in the guilt and aggravation phases of the trial and now we will assess, based upon available information, what the next steps will be. As of this point in time, the Court has set a Status Conference for June 20 and we will proceed with the intent to retry the penalty phase. Because, for purposes of a jury determination on punishment, this is still a pending matter, there will be no further comment.”

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      • Interesting. My husband is a Yale grad attorney (wrong type of law….) in Pinellas County (yeah, the district that bused the jurors into Orlando for Casey’s trial), but I may fish around and see what he knows about this stuff.

        I’m sure he won’t approve…but in twenty years of marriage that hasn’t stopped me yet. (^0^)

        Letters (NOT EMAIL) to Judges and Trustees make impact. LETTERS.

  2. good morning to everyone today hope we all have our thinking caps on and are ready to dig in and do some damage stay incognito don’t confront but document everything you find

  3. Very good article! I read that a few days ago. I’m glad you posted it here.

    • I have been posting and re-posting this for weeks everywhere I can think of. I am happy it made it back to Jodi.

      • I have had it posted on fb for a number of days. Think of the Tragedy in Oklahoma and how those people really need donations. Think of who is dying because they can’t get the proper help in Oklahoma. TA’s family are true criminals and murderers.

    • thanks AA for the link she the one that is sick I did not know about all the haters ya right she know and was home watching the TV like the rest of them and used JM words to get out of it…

      • So she feels sorry for Jodi, yet she still voted to kill her. Stupid crone. I knew the women would end up being the harshest ones.

        • Contradictory words all the way… ”Feels sorry”, ”sees a sad girl” in Jodi ”Jodi is not a monster” BUT hell yeah she voted for death!
          Is she nuts?

          No offense intended but she is a middle aged woman.She was probably offended by all the explicitly sexual photos,stories and details heard in this trial that couldnt put it past her to form the opinion that Jodi was a whore-in other words she identified with Travis and Travis alone.As to her description of Jodi as ”manipulative” that says it all-she bought Martinez’ crap ALL THE WAY.GAS CANS,GAS CANS GAS CANS is all we’re gonna hear from that woman’s mouth I predict.

          But hey,lady !!!! You dont convict someone for premediatated M1 for being manipulative (even IF that was the case which isnt) OR give them the DP for that either!

          • I think age is a misunderstood concept. People of any age can be close minded and overly reactive to graphic photos, sexual behavior etc. These reactions come from earlier life experiences. I am 64 years old and can tell you that when I grew up culture, morals, etc. were not nearly as rigid as they are now. I would have found Jodi innocent.

          • I preface this by saying that not all middle aged women are like that juror. Sadly, however, there are women like that juror whose vaginas have dried up, and they have forgotten what it was like to be a sexual and sensual woman, forgotten the problems they once had with contraception and men. These subset of women will never have to worry about being pro-choice ever again. They have forgotten what it was like to be in love, to love on a macro scale, and to have this love for every living being on this planet. They have no compassion for Jodi. This planet is truly doomed when women start to lose their compassion. It is the feminine principle that keeps things alive, that cares for life. What has happened to us?! Excuse this – I am angry by that juror’s interview.

            • Again there are many reasons women are not supportive of other women. I have been a mental health professional for many years, and to simplify the problem by believing that the cause is a dried up vagina is simply ridiculous and disrespectful. Get some education about womens issues pror to saying such awful things. You obviously devalue anyone middle aged or older.

                • Thanks. It is such a complex issue. Women who have not been well supported tend to be mistrustful and competitive throughout life. Women are taught to be competitive with other women, and often see other women as a threat. It is so sad Piqué.

                • It is complex, for sure. I’ve discussed it quite a lot with others here on these pages. There are plenty of female misogynists out there, and the Arias trial has given them a venue, freedom and support for their hateful messages.

              • Rebecca, I wish they had “like” buttons in this forum.

                I was really pissed a couple of weeks ago with Vladamir Gagic proposing it is “peri-menopausal” women who hang out in front of courthouses screaming for the blood of defendants. (no pun intended).

            • Krikee, I have to agree. As a woman who is approaching 50 in a couple of years, I almost hate to admit this, and someone might well take away my woman card for it, but it’s something women at work have talked about.

              There’s a huge difference between the attitudes of older women who are still experiencing orgasms and women who aren’t. Women who are peri- or post-menopausal but still sexually active (whether gay or straight or even if it’s with themselves, doesn’t matter) are happier, laugh more easily, engage with others more effectively, cooperate more and basically just seem to enjoy life a whole lot more. It doesn’t matter what they weigh, either. There’s a certain glow about women who are still enjoying some type of sexual activity. They take more pride in their appearances. They support the sisterhood of women and respect other women. They nurture and even mentor younger women in a caring fashion enjoying their youth and beauty.

              Whereas, single women who believe masturbation is wrong and either never formed a romantic partnership or have been separated from their relationship for some time (particularly if their children are grown or they never had any) when they reach a certain age, just seem to revert to the equivalent of jealous, bitchy teenagers. They’re difficult to work with. They’re unhappy. They anger easily. They criticize quickly. They handle stress far less effectively. They’re critical of others and very very jealous of young good looking women or even women of their own age who are involved in relationships.

              One of the most interesting aspects of this — and I’ve watched it occur — if that woman does find another partner, she changes and becomes easier to work with. I’ve seen it happen many many times.

              Sure, perhaps there might be something else going on with the older women who are unhappy, such as depression. And there are very difficult hormonal struggles going on in women of a certain age that are not that dissimilar from the hormonal changes of the teenage years. However, many women seek medical or natural methods to work around their hormonal changes and it seems the women who do so are more often than not the same women who are still enjoying their sexuality and want to continue to do so.

              Regardless of what any particular religion teaches, sexuality and sexual desires are normal basic human needs. It’s nothing to be ashamed of or something that should be repressed and ignored. We don’t have to live in the Victorian Era anymore. Orgasms are extremely beneficial for women, most especially as they age, through boosting immunity, endorphin levels and flushing cortisol and assisting the body’s natural detoxification process which improves digestion and may even work to prevent cancer. Not to mention the fact that being aware of one’s body can greatly assist with early disease detection.

              That’s not a devaluation of any woman who is older, in any way. To me, it’s just a shame that certain religions attempt to portray sex as something evil.

              • I am not implying that sexuality is not important at any age. I see patients well into their 80’s and many are sexually interested and many active. Sexual health is important. My point was that Juror Number 6 may not support other women, assuming that is the case for many reasons. She certainly has shown the inability to support Jodi, manifested by her flagrant disinterest during the trial, and her recent hateful statements. She may be ignorant, or simply be looking for three minutes of fame. Clearly she does not possess the thought processes to think critically or analytically. I also doubt she has the motivation to think, and she most likely has a long history of this very concerning behavior. She will, however, be a great star for HLN and their somewhat questionable audience. I would suspect that she was hateful by the age of 18, and possibly by late adolescense.

              • I am also soon 55, agree YET — There is no site I have gone onto regarding this trial about JODI that women and men, especially women have not called her every sexually profane word. That is the first thing people do with a woman is call her, ho, whore, slut, cunt, and the list goes on, oh I forgot about bitch. Name calling seems to be a pass time – and all that does is play right into the hands of TA. these two kids were so psychologically suffering.

              • There is resentment for Jodi because she is an articulate, creative person, confident of her intellectual abilities. She was thorough on the stand in her responses to JM. She wasn’t casting about the room for emotional support before she answered him. I know of few men or women who could stand up to a prosecutor of JM’s ilk so resolutely. I wouldn’t know how happy she was with herself before this whole tragedy unfolded but I would guess that Jodi enjoyed her own company or she would not have liked long road trips.

                There are some people who find both analytical women and men unnerving. They see them as conceited because their opinions are well thought out and it is therefore a bit daunting to have a discussion with them. Many folks on this board are likely intimidating to others and might not even be aware of it. More over, there is a tendency for some to find quick-witted but deeply intelligent people manipulative. A person demonstrating these qualities might not even have a specific agenda; nonetheless some people feel overwhelmed by the force of their personality and cannot help but experience that person as a bit of a threat. They feel manipulated simply because they are surprised to be somewhat unsettled in that person’s presence. I strongly suspect that Jodi made others uncomfortable but didn’t know why until she took certain tests in jail and had her suspicions confirmed. Her intellectual abilities are exceedingly strong. She speaks of the bad “choices” she has made. Perhaps she had overcompensated for the discomfort she sensed in others by giving them too much power over her.

                If Jodi were on a jury she could argue her viewpoint very well. You can tell from her letters and journals that she has a fine mind. You can see why she has had to take a default position, as it were, looking at this trial now from a purely moral standpoint:
                “I had the jury God gave me” – (approximate words). She knows better than to try to imagine how the jury could come to those guilty and penalty verdicts if they were using logic and reason. She had obviously analyzed the entire case from the jury’s standpoint before the verdict came in and had steeled herself for the prejudice.

                I appreciate some of what krikee had to say: “These subset of women will never have to worry about being pro-choice ever again. They have forgotten what it was like to be in love, to love on a macro scale, and to have this love for every living being on this planet. They have no compassion for Jodi. This planet is truly doomed when women start to lose their compassion. It is the feminine principle that keeps things alive, that cares for life.”

                Notice she used the word SUBSET. It was not a blanket statement. Many older women report that it is a relief for them to no longer worry about how their sexuality affects their choices and their overall health. They actually might find critical thinking easier without the emotional tumult of their younger years, thankful that they are not as vulnerable to others’ opinions as they were before.

                I would like to add something to this discussion of how women treat one another and themselves vis a vis relationships: When it comes to relationships, some women can find themselves on an emotional rollercoaster – “high” when they’re dating someone new, and “low” when they are ending a relationship or searching. There is much pressure to be a couple and not be left out of things; many women take that hard. Unfortunately, some women feel lost and anxious when they are single. They almost behave as if they are ill and should be given a break of some sort for their unwanted, accidental status. In framing their singleness this way, they have magnified their emotional pain to an almost excruciating level. These are exactly the women who tend to dash into relationships with the wrong man and end up with drama or boredom instead of harmony. You could almost say that for some women, this cycle is an addiction.

                The dangerous concept that some women internalize is that they are worth more if they are in a relationship, but ultimately, there are so many things that can cause a person to come across as difficult and irritable because of low self esteem. Sexual intimacy is a wonderful thing, connecting one person to another and to the larger world like nothing else, but for some it is only a temporary salve for their unwillingness to develop themselves as autonomous, independently thinking individuals. For some, being in a relationship is primarily a way to live with their own insecurities. This goes for some men, too.

                Not having a satisfying primary relationship is no excuse for a person to be rough and irritable with others, but I think people who are out of touch with nature and their own creative potential can be even more negative and critical of others than those who are not happy with their love lives. I refer to “anima” or “animus possessed” (Jungian psychology) individuals who seem unable to let go of their own viewpoint long enough to consider another because their thoughts have come to define them so much.

                So that begs the question: “How do we define ourselves?” Do we define ourselves by our compassion, self-control, artistry, ability to motivate others, our health and sexuality, our relationships or our ability to parent? Do we define ourselves by our physical agility and strength, intellectual abilities or our ability to form judgments that we can stand by and live with? Do we define ourselves by the balance in our lives?

                Rebecca said, ” People of any age can be close minded” and that is true.

                A fairly happily married older woman can be just as mistrusting and threatened by another woman as one who is single and casting about, competing for a partner. The open-hearted older married woman who is not threatened by a single woman and welcomes her into her house is a rarity and a jewel. My mother was like that, and I don’t think it should be any other way. One never knows what fate may bring, and often women are widowed or lose their loves much earlier than they ever would think possible.

                When I was younger I expected that some of the insecurities I saw in younger searching women would ease up as they became more successful and had children but the conclusion I have come to is that character is character. There is no substitute for it and you never know where you are going to find it. A person is worth as much as they believe they are worth. If this country stands for anything, it is the idea that a value cannot be assigned to a person by society. The Justice sitting on the Supreme Court has a greater understanding of the rule of law than the average person, but they have no greater value as a person, no more civil rights than anyone else. By the same token, since we are stuck with ourselves we might as well sign up to be our own best advocate.

                The “trappings” of life and one’s status as old or young, sexy or dumpy, lucky or unlucky in love, are transient. One never knows exactly why others behave as they do; often the truth of why an individual went down a certain path becomes evident to only one or two others, long after that person dies.

                Life is incredibly complicated and people infinitely complex, so making harsh judgments, especially the most black and white ones, gives some a feeling of “centeredness”. To them, the process of categorizing and “naming” provides profound relief. They want to be rid of the terrifying infinity of choices that life holds. Some cannot stand freedom – it is almost unendurable for them, so the best way to reduce life to a predictable set of choices is to become addicted to something. It can be drugs, alcohol, brawling, shopping, romance, work, extreme sports, gambling, sex, or judging others.

                For some, the “grey” area of tolerance is a scary place to live. It reminds them of their own frightening potential to be truly great, and the moral choices they will be responsible for if they embrace life more fully. Perhaps they grew up in an abusive environment and now live with a sense of dread – a mortal fear something awful might happen at any moment. Of course, addiction is no fun, but it is guaranteed to reduce one’s choices, create predictability and simplify life, however perversely.

                Someone here posted about what it was like to be on a death penalty jury. He said it caused him to have PTSD and that others on the jury experienced severe emotional distress for years afterward. I believe he said there were even some suicides. It is time that the states stopped requiring that life/death pronouncements be made by their citizens. For, whatever they decide, those juries will have to live with it long after the penalty is imposed. Even if the penalty is not chosen, the jury members will have to live with the memory of either having been talked out of imposing it or having been the one to argue against it. If there is a reversal or a stay, or if the penalty is voted out in that state while the condemned person is on death row, the arguments that led to that person’s penalty were also punishing to the people whose duty it was to make them.

                Bearing in mind that the states cannot force any particular person to vote for the death penalty, in jury selection, the state is searching for those who are willing to take a life. Do some feel obligated to assume the responsibility because they sense that they are capable of performing the duty with utmost care? The people doing so are self-selected. They cannot escape responsibility for putting someone to death after the person is executed. It was fully their choice to make. And there would inevitably be a creeping awareness as one deliberates, that oneself could be, but for fortune, the condemned. Innocent people have been executed. It can only be a horrifying experience to be deliberating while bearing that fact in mind.

                The living conditions on death row are inhumane, and the day of execution does not come swiftly. Slathering media coverage of DP cases makes it all the more intolerable. The penalty falls mainly on the poor, ethnic minorities, and those with lower intellectual abilities. It does not correspond with the most heinous crimes.

                The death penalty should not be an option. It is cruel and inflicted capriciously. It fosters harsh judgment and blaming through the entire spectrum of society at many levels and has not been shown to reduce violent crime – rather it increases it. It is the worst addiction society has besides war.

                I was inspired to search for a good book of quotes (from all sorts of leaders) by some of the fine people who post here. Today I went to a book sale and one of the first books I found was just such a book.

                “The care of human life and happiness, and not their destruction, is the first and only legitimate object of good government”. -Thomas Jefferson

                • Wow. What extraordinary writing and insight. I hope you are an advocate of Jodi Arias. She needs more like us on her side.

                • T,
                  There is only one thing I take issue with, and not strenuously.
                  “And there would inevitably be a creeping awareness as one deliberates, that oneself could be, but for fortune, the condemned. Innocent people have been executed. It can only be a horrifying experience to be deliberating while bearing that fact in mind.”
                  This statement, while undoubtedly true, is something that I don’t believe is going through any death penalty juror’s mind. If they thought; There have been so many mistakes made, which can never be taken back, and For the Grace of God There Go I. I don’t think the death penalty would survive. I believe that if anyone was truly capable of putting themselves in the shoes of a man/woman being not only strapped to a gurney, but being strapped while knowing they’re innocent, or worse their innocent child being strapped in, the DP would not fly.
                  I found your comment breathtaking, thank you

                • Trialtoogoodawordforit, you write beautifully. Both form and content. And wisely. I felt, after reading, more connected with others and myself.

                • Wow, wow, wow!! I am so impressed with your post that I printed it so I can read it again and absorb all the wisdom you have imparted here. I would like to ask what is your profession? Are you a psychologist…..teacher…..doctor……writer?? male or female?

                  You have given me much to think about…..how it relates to my own life (compared to my older sibling’s choices and life—I am 69, she is 72). I am single, never married, no children……she has been married 3 times, has 4 grown children and 10 or so grandchildren and has been in a relationship with a “kid” of age 32 for last 6 years, and been in one relationship after another since age 13. We just don’t ‘GET EACH OTHER”. You have described both of us very accurately. Thank you so much for one of the BEST posts I have seen online.

                • Wow! Well said! I agree that people are often inscrutable, even long after death. Think of Abraham Lincoln. Millions of people have tried to figure out what motivated him, but they’ll never know if they missed the mark.

                  I also agree with you completely about the DP. Can you imagine what people feel who served on a DP trial in a state where the next state over the border – say two miles away – has no DP? If the DP is the only deterrent to murder shouldn’t states that don’t have it be overrun with murderers? What is stopping people in DP states from arranging to commit murders in non-DP states? Just a few more, among the many, reasons the death penalty makes absolutely no sense.

                  You, my friend, are very wise. Thank you so much for your comments. BTW, I am one of those women for whom it is a great relief to no longer worry about my sexuality. For the first time in my life, I am comfortable in my own skin.

              • Thanks everyone who read my post and responded. Wow, I’m amazed at your kind words. To Trialwatcher, I am trying to imagine your holidays, all those kids and your sister and you being so different. It makes my head spin, lol. One for the books, actually! Hope you are enjoying all the nieces and nephews.

                Have been a big reader all my life. One of the most influential books I read in grade school was a biography of Harriet Tubman. I found the book in the school library and was very inspired by that amazing and unimaginably heroic woman. She rescued so many while she had a head injury and would black out sometimes enroute. She knew that it put her at additional risk but was a conductor on the Underground Railroad nonetheless.

                mn, I agree with you about how a scenario of innocence while deliberating would not be an omnipresent thought. It would likely be a momentary consideration kept private because guilt would have been decided. Maybe I should have emphasized that it could become a more present thought over the years for a former juror after having served on a DP case. PTSD can cause intrusive thoughts and that could eventually become one of them. (I wonder what DP jurors report about that.) But the DP is being imposed now in fewer and fewer states, so progress is being made.

                Pique, it was really nice of you to say that about feeling more connected. There are a lot of great writers and thinkers here who express themselves so well it is always worth visiting this site. This ordeal is so painful to watch, yet a community has formed, and out of this tragedy many of us here have learned a tremendous amount from each other.

                Edward, I don’t think Jodi ever meant Travis any harm no matter how disgusted she was with his behavior at times. There is no evidence that she felt malice toward him or any hostility. All that has come out of her journals was bewilderment about Travis and a sense that she did not know how to deal with her confusion. It is unfortunate that her defense team could not show more persuasively how a woman is in even more danger when she tries to end an abusive relationship, because it turns out that many on the jury did believe she was abused, at least emotionally.

                Hope everyone has a nice night!

                • Wanted to clarify that Harriet Tubman would actually physically pass out enroute, sometimes alone in broad daylight – a different type of blackout from the amnesia associated with emotional trauma.

            • OH my gosh that is funny. But I am 51 an disabled now but I still remember
              the ugly some men I dated for short periods in my life were. I pray to GOD
              women do not forget they are lessons to pass on to daughters an granddaughters
              all though they do not listen because they are in LOVE LUST an LOST until
              they feel an see it for themselves. I have seen men like Travis just not Mormon
              men. I call them Pigs but his nickname tells it best T-Dogg always sniffing out
              a new B#$%# in heat. That is what dogs do.

          • “Contradictory words all the way… ”Feels sorry”, ”sees a sad girl” in Jodi ”Jodi is not a monster” BUT hell yeah she voted for death!”

            “Is she nuts?”

            In answer to your question, I think, not only is she nuts, she’s Mormon.

            Ooooh that burned my hide. My god this outrages me. The nerve of these people knows no bounds.

            • Absolutely correct Milan. I am more convinced every day that this entire corrupt, shady, illegal, digusting situation is all orchestrated by the Mormons!!

              • Same here! The more I learn about all of this and see what is going on, the more I’ve thought the same until I am really convinced of it now.

              • I too have been convinced after I started reading up on that Religion an watching
                the Mesa Arizona congregation blabbing the same nonsense one after another
                talking in the same monotone with the same blank stares they freak me out ! they
                say Jodi is robotic not hardly she was the only real person the rest were fakes.
                Just how I feel about it. She got sucked into that crap because of Love she
                thought but was only used an gossiped about behind her back. Those are not
                Christians that do this.

            • Milan,
              I saw her in another interview earlier where she emphasized how she prayed and prayed to God on this. I thought to myself; She was talking to God? The guy who’s son was falsely accused, convicted and then executed? What did God tell her I wonder?
              Juror #6, thou shall kill, as I have changed my mind
              Thou shall take over my job, of being the ultimate judge, as I need a vacation
              ???
              Maybe God should have sent her a dictionary so she could look up the word “paradox”

          • Got news for you: “middle-aged” women were in the forefront of the sexual revolution, and also so-called “old” women past retirement age. The vast majority are not withered-up prunes.

            One thing I can’t stand is stereotyping.

            • I went to college in 1976-80 and one of my classes was “Women in the Humanities”…..during the “hay days” of the women’s movement. The main book Professor Davis had us read in that class was ‘The New Our Bodies Ourselves”, “A Book by and for Women”, The Boston Women’s Health Book Collective”. Your post reminded me of this book…..still sitting on my bookshelf 32 years later. I don’t know if there is an updated version of it.

          • First of all,let me apologize if I offended anyone by saying ”she is a middle aged woman”.I didnt mean that she hates Jodi simply because Jodi is younger.That’s why I wrote ”she was PROBABLY offended by all the explicitly sexual photos,stories and details heard in this trial…” meaning that older people MAY sometimes be more conservative than younger ones. I wasnt speaking generally,nor did I include any general statement such as ”all middle aged people are conservative”.I didnt attack the juror’s age.Being a racist or an ageist is one of the things I dislike the most.I was merely trying to convey that since Jodi’s jury did not consist of what one would describe as her ”peers” age-wise,some of the sexual content of this case could have been shocking for the older jurors.

            • I see this woman more in terms of politically CONSERVATIVE…..probably affluent……probably supports the tea party……probably married from a very young age. Probably sexually repressed.
              Did I miss anything? (Mormon?…maybe)

          • Everyone on this topic, I prefaced my comment by saying that not all middle aged women are like that juror. Apparently I wasn’t clear enough about my post being about THAT JUROR and the subset of women who don’t remember what it is like to be a young woman. I apologize. Btw, I’m a middle aged woman.

            • No we are not:)
              I was part of second-wave feminism, and remain staunch and active to this day, although a wee bit past middle age, no partner and not crabby…just more curmudgeonly…;)

            • I understand. Thanks from Rebecca64. It is okay to be middle aged. My experience is that every stage of the life cycle is good with new and different challenges.

        • Ya know, I agree? It seems it’s mostly the men who were against death. One, at least. I haven’t heard from all the jurors, so I can’t say for sure; but it has surprised me, thus far.

          You never know, though. There were only 4 women on the jury, I think. Have we heard from all four?

          I know there was one female alternate appearing on whatever show would have her. She doesn’t count. I don’t know how many legit jurors are talking. Anyone know?

    • Seems juror 6 has didn’t waste any time going to the snuggling up to HLN, the Hughes, Dr. D’s HLN juror. She is already posing for pictures with them. Juror 6 was observed telling TA family she was sorry when she left the court room. So it doesn’t surprise me.

      N K ‏@nk_light 6h
      @PitchforksPosts impossible to know when the pic was taken, but it was of her and the 2 HLN jurosr. Also, friends with Hughes and family.

      Pitchforks Pitchforks ‏@PitchforksPosts 5h
      @nk_light What she was friends with Hughes’ before? I know she’s met up wth them in the last 2 days.

      • And why would she? After all, it’s not like she has any real consequences to face. The court of public opinion is on her side. She has nothing to lose and everything to gain; the same with the other death eater jurors.

        Book deal – CACHING

        Interviews – CACHING

        Guest spot on HLN – CACHING

        D-list celebrity status and rubbing elbows with wealthy, influential yet sadistic people – PRICELESS

        • Has this EVER happened in a high-profile case before? Did OJ’s jurors pose with him? Did Scott Peterson’s jurors pose with Laci’s family or the prosecutors? Honestly, something is not right here. And why are the damn Hugheses in the thick of everything? They’re not even family!

          • Exactly! Why are they eve-ry-whe-re?? Why are the reporters and jurors treating them as if THEY are the brothers or parents of TA?As I said the other day:who made them Kings of the world?

            • I am convinced they are “planted”. This is what they did to defeat gay marriage in California. They posed as “ordinary citizens” who were “concerned”. They produced a whole bunch of training videos to show church members how to do it! How to make it seem like they were just your ordinary person, how to comment about it, how to influence people.

              In my opinion, that is exactly what has been going on here. They are posers. That’s why they are “eve-ry-whe-re” and by god they ARE “eve-ry-whe-re” 🙂 , all over, putting themselves in front of every camera they can manage, mobbing every comment site on every news article. It’s an engineered effort, IMO.

        • So sad, MB, but, yes, so true….

          I sure hope all the other jurors who voted for the DP don’t start talking. It is safe for them since public opinion, unfortunately, is on their side, and they can get some attention as well as make some money for being on the “right side”..

          However, if they do continue to talk, and befriend HLN, the Alexanders, or Hughes, etc. by process of elimination the media will figure who the 4 that voted against the DP are. That is what this media is trying to do. If this should happen, and the public knows the 4, these jurors are going to need some protection, for sure.

          If we ever get to this low point, I hope some law or something will be passed to stop trials from turning into avenues for the media, including social media, to exploit and profit from while harming the lives of private citizens and their families who, unfortunately, were not on the “right” side that the media circus promoted.

          • It’s already happening Mattie. By process of elimination, as each juror opens his/her mouth, it’s becoming easier to determine who voted for life. The Twitterverse is engaged in speculation already. They’ve condemned the foreman as a life voter and they’re out for blood.

            I feel like I’m watching reruns of Spartacus where a particular citizen gives a thumbs up for someone in the arena and is immediately stabbed to death because the mob disagrees.

            • ‘Christians’ and lions, Or Samson and Delilah? Whatever, Philistines pheature phrightningly,,

        • I’m confused…..they won’t say who voted no but will admit if they voted yes?? The foreman said NO ONE was supposed to talk or so I thought! All you would need to do is use the process of elimination thus exposing the ones against the death penalty!!

          • Yes. In several interviews they said that they agreed to keep it a secret who voted for what unless that individual juror wanted to tell which way they voted.
            So, yes, by process of elimination just like Mattie says, it’s going to be figured out, because the ones who voted for the dp are proud to say it because they know how much support they have from the Mormon Media Blitz whereas the ones who didn’t vote for the dp will be figured out and attacked, I believe just like Mattie does.

            It might be good though, because this court has rejected every. single. attempt. to get them to listen about juror bias, bias, prosecutorial misconduct, juror misconduct, etc. etc. etc. Maybe, if they do more damage, something will change! How long can they keep pretending everything is normal in this case, when it is so outrageously abnormal?!

          • I was calling them Death Eaters to myself earlier today…LOL.

            They can get their own code names: Bellatrix, Lucius, Narcissa, etc.

    • Just watched the interview.

      What a hag fame whore.

      There is no way she wasn’t going home and watching the news.

    • I just don’t get this woman.

      You may not need the why for the guilty verdict, but you sure as shit should know it to sentence someone to death.

      • Al…she give me a lot of concern…grrr…

        1:17 into the video…interviewer asked “you had no idea how many people around the world were watching this trial?”

        1:21 into the video…juror 6 answers “not around the world, no, not at all”

        I just bet she knew everything going on around her….WHAT ABOUT IN YOUR HOME AND COMMUNITY…and what she was saying…just doesn’t ring truth about anything…

        • That’s what I thought! She had to think about how she answered and be very careful, because that women KNEW! She’s such a liar, she sets my teeth on edge.

          That’s it, no ring of truth at all.

          Oh geez, and that “she gives me a lot of concern”, grrrrrr is right!

        • Doesn’t make sense to me. Even if you accept her opinion of Jodi as “manipulative” and a “sad, sad girl,” how does one get from “she concerns me” to “I voted for the state to kill her.”

          Makes NO sense.

          • I know, it makes no sense whatsoever, except that she’s a Mormon. That’s the only thing that fits, imo.

            • Milan, did you learn that she’s a Mormon or is it just, as you say, the only thing that fits? I don’t know if I caught the entire interview because I don’t recall their names.

          • Not only that, but who in their right mind would ever want to sit on a jury again?
            The reprisals are totally sickening, and this is objective justice at work? Having every minute detail about your life published on the Internet, when they are supposed to remain anonymous?
            That’s an extremely worrying joke.
            They might just as well have voted from the comfort of their anonymous living rooms.
            There was no way to escape the media hyperbole anyway.
            Disgraceful display of tampering and trial by media.

            • The jurors who are coming out, exclamation points and all, know it is safe to do so. They are being embraced as heroes.

              We may as well have all voted from our living rooms via text messaging, keying in this number for “life” and that number for “death” a al Dancing with the Stars.

    • Thank you Also Abused for posting that.

      OMG! Juror # 6 actually said,
      “I wouldn’t consider Jodi a “Monster”. [Jodi] was manipulative and untruthful” …YET SHE wanted to sentence her to the DEATH PENALTY!?
      WTF was THAT? SO Juror # 6! I’m talking to YOU! You mean to tell me that Jodi deserved the DEATH PENALTY for being manipulative (and WHERE in the trial did you get THAT? What in particular was it that she did, said, during the trial to give you fact that she was manipulative? Jodi admitted to lying (about June 4th because she wanted to spare TA’s reputation) She COULDN’T tell the truth about the day of the killing WITHOUT EXPOSING TA’s TRUE deviant behavior. YOU, MISS JUROR #6, DID NOT LISTEN to ANYTHING Jodi said ON THE STAND! Jodi wanted to plead guilty to M2 in order to prevent exposing to the public what an EVIL man Travis really was.WHERE YOU EVEN LISTENING TO THE SAME TRIAL I LISTENED TO?????
      OMG I am Fu@king sickened by you!….and all the other half wit jurors who thought Jodi deserved the death penalty!

      • And her and alternate No. 17 are “besties” and 17 said she decided Jodi was guilty during opening statements when all the stories were exposed.

      • Dorothy…

        If truth be told…I bet Juror 6 has been manipulative and untruthful about things in her own lifetime..yet no one gave her the death penalty….cause she is still alive and breathing…WTF…

        I hope all things bad that she is saying about Jodi boomerang back to her 1000 times what she is putting out…she will come to feel a slow death herself for voting the death penalty…

      • I can’t take it, I gotta take a break. This is just too much, it is so outrageous. it is SO obvious that they were watching HLN and/or surfing the net, checking Facebook and talking to other jurors and family. I almost posted a comment about it on the site, but I’m going to keep my mouth shut for now and hope that more stuff comes out about them and their activities. More people are going to spill one way or another.
        Could not believe those people. The way they proudly held up their hands that they voted for death! And one is an ER nurse! God forbid I ever have to be treated by her! She puts no value on human life if she could watch that trial and do what she did. She has no compassion whatsoever. Same with the others. Just disgusting.

      • I thought the jury foreman said they all agreed that they were not going to reveal how they all voted. I guess that agreement didn’t last long.

        • I hurried to get their “15 Minutes of Fame”…

          The evilness in them will slowly eat them to death…Karma…

          • Correction:

            THEY>>>>hurried to get their “15 Minutes of Fame”…

            The evilness in them will slowly eat them to death…Karma…

        • I think they agreed they could say how they voted if they wanted, but they wouldn’t say how any other juror voted.

  7. Amazing article!!!!
    Yes!!! Chris & Sky Hughes…KARMA
    is coming for you!
    BIG TIME!

    • Yes the Hughes’ need it SO badly. Jason Weber is GREAT! Been following Occupy HLN for a while now,

    • The evil that lives within the jurors who voted the death penalty…their own evil will slowly eat them alive and they all will die in one way or another…Karma…

  8. Hey look! News from our local station about Arpaio!!!

    Coming up on Nightside: Racial profiling in Arizona–that’s the ruling from a federal judge against the self-proclaimed toughest sheriff in the country.

    He be in some trouble now, I just was watching the video someone posted about him today and what he called his concentration camp and they were saying that!

      • omg..that video was disgusting.what’s wrong with him?and all the people in that gathering laughing! ”campsites”,really? So they are not afraid to borrow Nazi language and brag about it.
        So sad,how easily mankind forgets…

        • Maria, I am sick, sick. Yes, they’ve borrowed the language from the Nazis, from the Holocaust, and from other oppressive systems that have practiced genocide, and they think it’s funny and/or appropriate. And the uniforms. They LAUGHED–called the people in there “they”–as in “they are coming here” and “they are killing us.”

          I don’t know what to say. I’m choked.

          • That is a repulsive thought, My father was in a concentration camp for four years, and we called them savage barbarians too
            In fact everyone hated the Nazi’s back then,but now we are reprising the role of censorship and fascism again.
            Justice is meant to be have high integrity be and objective and fair and balanced. It didn’t even come close.

    • Damn them took the words out of my mouth I said the uniforms looked like the concentration camp then the next day they were showing the bread and water watch what you say they will use it Hail Mary

      • I wasn’t really surprised by that, actually. The Maryland Correctional Institution, which I live very close to, serves “lock up loaf” which is pretty much the same thing. They serve it when an inmate gets out of line.

    • Yup, Sheriff Joe is a dickhead of the highest degree. Dude thinks he’s King Shit on Turd Island and can do whatever he wants whenever he chooses to do it. Maybe not so much anymore. This ruling may knock him down a peg.

      • Why is he still sheriff? He’s as crooked as they come.

        If he comes back in a next life, he’s going to be a rat in his own prison.

  10. HLN has made so much money off the pain of others under the guise of justice. Their “reporting” is totally one sided and is set up to incite anger and outrage. It is like they are trying to change the narrative to fit their will. It must take a while to plan out their shows , yet they manage to have clips and highlights from the day as well as commentary from ” experts” as well as people who claim to know the people involved . It is like a reality horror show/ soap opera.
    There are real people involved who are fighting for their lives, reputations etc and these people have the audacity to say whatever they want whether it is true or not so long as it is riveting or sensational. Welcome to HLN where we have doctors who aren’t qualifiedas psychologists, former lawyers with questionable pasts and people with no real journalistic credentials reporting on whatever trial of the century that comes along !
    This whole process undermines the purpose of the courts.

    Justice is blind, innocent until proven guilty? Not if your HLN ! Nancy grace is ready to hunt them down, string ’em up and unleash the lawyers!

    Bombshell tonight! A person is accused of a crime, but Nancy just knows they did it, she has body language experts, prosecutors with an agenda and tv judges to prove it!
    The accused lied? Well she must be a psychopath, the accused doesn’t smile? Well she must be a sociopath!
    HLN , where the hosts don’t understand that you don’t need to shout if you are wearing a microphone!
    Got a missing child? Well, HLN will feign sympathy and interest until the next one comes along! Nancy loves kids, she has twins of her own you know. She is what every parent hopes to be! A loud, obnoxious opinionated bully who is wrong most of the time but says things with such conviction that it must be true! What a super role model for America!

    • That’s a great post.

      “It is like they are trying to change the narrative to fit their will.” Exactly!

  11. LOL Jury Foreman didn’t like Juan Martinez

    What a steaming pile of excrement Juan Martinez is

    But his feelings on Juan Martinez are not as neutral.
    “He’s merciless,” Zervakos said of the lead prosceutor on he case. “I don’t like being talked to like I’m stupid and I feel like that happened a few times.”

    Despite the outcome of the actual verdict, murder in the first degree, Zervakos says he and his fellow jurors regret they could not agree in the sentencing phase.
    “Do we feel there was unfinished business? Do we feel like we didn’t complete our task? Yeah.”

    Looking forward, Zervakos hopes the Alexander family can heal, but also had a final thought about Arias.
    “The only thing that I can hope for her is that she comes to peace with herself, that she comes to grips with herself.”

    Read more: http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/region_phoenix_metro/central_phoenix/jodi-arias-juror-interview-foreman-speaks-out-about-trial-trouble-in-sentencing-phase#ixzz2UNPvPmoY

  13. SJ

    Welcome back. Hope your vacation was a good one. While you were gone MB did a great job and solved some “T” issues by showing them the door.

    So glad you posted the link to occuplyhln. People need to know the truth about this SCAM. Thanks.

  14. Yes Angela I remember back in the day when Walter Conkrite and Peter Jennings reported…. it seems at least that for every person on one side of an issue they introduced someone on the other side…. as I grew older it wasnt until I started watching Hannity and Friends that I realized that things have really changed now more of the little side bars that say these are not necessarily our views of the station they just down right take over….. someday we may even have a civil war if we dont watch our ways…..

    • You are right.

      There used to be a law that journalists were required to make a sincere, honest attempt to get both sides of the story, because if they didn’t they were open to lawsuits. That law was swept away in the late 70’s or early 80’s, I’m not sure exactly. Ever since then journalistic ethics have been steadily going down the sewer, as old time, real journalists die off and the new, yellow “infotainment” so-called journalists take their place.

      So here we are, predictably, with cr*p like HLN and their sicko ilk.

  15. I like Nancy Grace the show…. Im still glad to watch it. I have been surprised at her one sided takes on things…..However I did think that she seemed to be throwing us a bone when she announced that this was a win for Jodi and that the Alexanders should go home and reconsider…… I notice every once in a while she does this… I think sometimes she just has to be for the so called victim in all cases because they need to be heard they need a place to vent ….. they need to be able to hear the things she says so that they can swallow the bitter pill and move on without having to seek the DP… Its just a little reverse psychology tricks in there…. I dunno…

    .I do remember once though and Im sure if she is reading this it will make her Cring. It was the time that Daniel Horowitz a renowned attorney out of L.A. Well he was a regular on her show during the OJ and Scott Peterson Case anyways at some point in there his wife was murdered in the home that they were remodeling in grand grand style either remodel or building she was ordering like wood from Italy for the staircases etc… a real big deal …. anyhow they found her bludgeoned in the foyer of the home before it was finished….

    2 or 3 weeks passed and the PD found another suspect a mentally deranged teenager from down the street and her confessed or they found extreme evidence anyways it all turned out that he definately had committed the crime… Boy was she back pedaling…

    My point is she had me almost believing and probably many others that Daniel the husband had committed the crime….. Oh well just a memory…she does influence alot of people… but maybe should keep the course of neutral just a little more and I would love to see more of both sides of the story… that is the way it should be!

    • I remember the murder of that lawyer’s fiancee. He seemed to be a personal friend of Nance’s but nevertheless she was picking up her torch, slinging thinly disguised allegations ready to outright accuse him. Had another week went by without the real killer being found I am sure she would have had Mr Horowitz tried, convicted and on death row NG-style…with her mouth! I abhor her.

      • Kira,

        I knew about this one but it seems the other acct has just pop up and looks very suspicious. It is link to a word press acct called Jodi’s diary….after seeing this I knew it couldn’t be Jodi’s. It has her address and prisoner # posted and how to send her mail. I am just sick because I know she will be getting hate mail from the content of this site. I hope we can double our efforts to get positive messages to her.

        • I took a look at it also and it is definitely not hers. If you scroll down you will see some of the autopsy photos etc. NOT what I wanted to see before going to sleep and not what I would expect Jodi to post on a blog. It is sick what people will do.

          • Yeah, her name is spelled wrong, and it is a pic of her in shackles, which she didn’t want anyone to see and the Taliban site posted it anyway to mock her. I think they set this up themselves.

            • I must be getting blind-I didnt notice her name was spelled wrong!but the second I saw they have chosen the photo of her in shackles I knew it was a haters’ thing.

    • Hey guys you can tell it’s not Jodi’s site. It looks like it was written by a 5th grader. Jodi is much more intelligent than whoever made this site. Jodi is very articulate and her writing is usually flawless. The writing of this psycho is full of errors. Also Jodi would never put pics up of anything other than positive images of her and Travis. The stupidity of the haters never ceases to amaze me.

    • This lady is a royal bitch. She was in the courtroom everyday looking like she just rolled out of bed.

      • Trixel,
        I totally agree, it was hard to follow her but gave info regard court so had to wade through her bias. She certainly was less that objective about the case and very pro-TA.

        • F**k her! I read that article lst night.She has 7(!!) reasons listed why TA had every right to be mad at Jodi.ALL 7 ARE WRONG! In fact they are just hearsay.She doesnt even have her facts straight,yet she went to court every day.

      • Big mouth juror 17 sat next to the foreman

        and this Camille Cunt wrote this about her:

        “Yes, she did sit next to him and she was the one who would openly fidget at times. I think she had figured out the whole case long before we got to closing arguments. I’ve been very interested trying to catch up on all her tweets.”

        I do believe she did say she felt Jodi was guilty on day one of the trial. Why would she admit that out loud on twitter, for many eyes to see? I say to the dumb twat #17 keep on talking.

        • Yes, aren’t they supposed to serve jury duty without being decided and only making their decision by what they see in court?

          Thank god they don’t make pills for diarrhea of the mouth. She may free Jodi yet.

          • We are certainly hoping for that,right? 😉
            Let them talk as much as they wish.

        • Lol Trixels. May these sleazy reality show rejects that disguised themselves as jurors keep on tweeting and talking. I am appalled by the lot of them other than the 4 that hung them up on death. And I am impressed with your many ways to call them V jay jays!

          • Gwen, ha ha.TY

            I am pretty pissed about all of the ways Jodi was screwed. After all the shenanigans JM pulled in court I am still dumbfounded they gave her M1. Premed & felony both? How? I am confused how they came to that conclusion. They cancel each other out, either she stole the gun from gpa or she stole HIS gun? I’m sad for Jodi and want to research and read all day & night about her case but feel a tad helpless that I can actually do something to help her out.

            • same here (((((((Trixels)))))
              I feel helpless but no way are we gonna give up,ok?

        • That’s against the oath they took and the jury instructions, to make up her mind from opening arguments. Sickos.

    • Camille Kimball is the Martinez fangirl who wrote a whole post about his relationship status. She’s nothing but a groupie.

  18. Well bless my mormon querying soul. I’m famously famous on two sites! lol
    How come it got shut down?
    Terrible news.

  19. Well she (the Juror) is dumb enough to actually help Jodi by her actions. Her behaviour is not acceptable from
    many aspects of judicial objectivity.

  21. Yep those great friends an family of Travis are reaping in the Silver just as Judas himself
    did once. I have no pity for them that are so greedy an disgusting that also have NO FEAR
    to BARE FALSE WITNESS. Shame on them all an HLN too. AN double SHAME on those that
    claim to be Christians. There is a special place for them all at the GATE they will not enter.

    No one deserves DEATH for Self Defense. An I do not care how the person died I have seen
    others die more horrific an the one that did it was not this hated or crucified world wide.

    The internet has made small people with little minds feel they can say an do whatever
    they want too strangers an they would not do it too a person’s face I guarantee most
    are weak when confronted in person.

    There is more to this story an I hope something GRAND COMES for JODI not LIFE either
    she deserves to have a LIFE away from those horrid people that claim they are Christians.

    That Wright lady will be up for parole in 2014 she stabbed her husband over 200 times
    buried him in the back yard was in a fog etc. From Texas a state known for giving Death
    an she has a possibility of a LIFE I believe Jodi deserves a LIFE too. I will never believe
    she did all that stabbing an slashing. The Blood Atonement is just too close too all those
    markings an Travis was a Virgin seeker. If Sex before marriage is equal to murder in his
    FAITH then how many did he steal out there that will not come forward ? it truly disgusts
    me.

    I will always believe Travis was the one that was being rejected by Lisa by Mimi an then
    that day was the last fling for Jodi an him. She was moving on to Ryan. Travis had a trip
    coming up an guess what Mimi only wanted to go as FRIENDS……….no sex games on ‘
    that fun trip. He was a pissed off man that day a rejected Mormon Male with no mate an
    coming to the age where he needed a mate. No one wanted to marry a T-Dogg sniffing
    every Virgin in the Ward out. He was going to be singled out soon in that Church. Jodi
    was just naive no where in her past relations did one man stand up an say she was crazy
    etc. Only Travis but he said the same about Deanna. He was the real phony an the real
    liar. It makes me so angry the Jurors could not see an hear what I did on that tape an
    in the emails an texts. Thankful 4 held out on Death but not Thankful they all voted on
    the murder one. Really pisses me off still. Tainted Jurors Tainted Judge Wicked Prosecutor
    Evil was sitting in the gallery with people that say Save the Animals an Abortion is a sin.
    But giving DEATH to a woman that was mentally an physically abused is ok because she
    is a liar. But the man was a Saint. PUKE PUKE PUKE.

    • Rhonda in AL you have described the situation brilliantly right down to the last sentence. A narcissistic abusive man who felt rejected and un-worshiped is a danger in itself. He was ready to snap and poor Jodi happened to be there that day because she cared for him. I am glad she came out on top but it’s sad she has to pay this price for surviving.

    • Rhonda, I so agree with everything you wrote. I ranted for days early on about why none of the nice girls wanted anything to do with him as far as marriage or even long term dating. Now that he is dead all of his smarmy ways have been forgotten. Travis with his slick suits and closet full of shoes was nothing more than a dirty rotten scoundrel. Jodi was way too good for him.
      Gwen I agree with you too. I look at the photos of him and I can see he was full of himself. He thought he was the cats meow. Personally I think he was a pudgy, funny lookin creep.

      • Pudgy, funny looking creep– truth.

        I wish Jodi had left him earlier. she could have done WAY WAY BETTER

        • Agreed with ll of you ladies.
          He was a nothing,a zero(not good english grammar but I am translating straight from my mother language,it sounds so appropriate for the scumbag)
          There was a clear-cut consistent evil and narcissistic pattern in all his doings whereas in Jodi’s case there’s a consistent innocent and naive to the wrongdoings of this world pattern.Poor Jodi…Life is too unfair sometimes.

    • Hi Rhonda in Alabama!
      I haven’t seen you around and was concerned. I’m glad to see you here today :mrgreen:

      • Hey y’all.. ya after Juror 8 the drunk one got kicked off the Jury my puter died.
        Seemed like forever to get a new one an HLN had me so upset an CNN was
        not much better. I did get my husband to understand though so I had a little
        support. But I just knew that Jury was tainted my sister an parents are in
        Arizona an I could not get them to see a thing I said they only went with what
        they heard on the news there an it drove me crazy when I called them.

        I wanted so badly to go to Arizona an be in front of that courthouse asking
        how many people standing there were part of the Mormon Church. Or PPL/
        Legal Shield. An I would have had a BIG FREE JODI SIGN too.

        Glad to be back an see y’all on here going still !! Have a nice Memorial Day.

    • Gee Rhonda, where have you been? I missed you. Glad to see you back with the same passion as always. Hugs!

  22. Ok I know this has nothing to do with the actual topic at hand, which I have read by the way and I am flabbergasted by. Is this all about money? Do they even care about the victimS? Which gets me to my next point. I truly believe that the “ninja” theory…as Disgrace so eloquently puts it…is the true story. I apologize up front as this will probably be pretty long. I got into this trial pretty late admittedly and heard the details about it and much like the jury foreman I said to myself…huh? No way…this girl? Not to mention the vitriol I saw towards her which I have personally never seen. Well…

    Down the rabbit hole i went. First watching Jodi’s body language that first day of court, especially during the opening statements of her defense, she looks visibly uncomfortable. It very well could be because of the fact that the trial has finally started, but I really think it’s because she knows it isn’t true. In my eyes Jodi has personally only told one lie, and that would be that she wasn’t there. Ok, she has never been arrested before and it’s easy to understand as anyone would be frightened if they were accused of murder. Then I think it was 5 days later…correct me if I’m wrong….she comes back with the two people story. This is reference to her police interrogations by the way. It strikes me as kind of funny that Mr. Flores says that he finds it unbelievable after she tells him this story when his initial inclination was that there is no way that one person could have done this.

    Now the prosecution tells me that this was a premeditated crime. Travis was this angel sent down from god that no one would want to kill. He was a Mormon who was looked up too not to mention a very successful businessman. Ok sounds good so far….only he was having sex outside of marriage not to mention having to borrow money from people, Jodi being one of those people. Doesn’t sound like he’s very successful at either.

    Now do not take this as being mean towards the victim of this crime as he was the prime victim. However, I will not sit here and say that Jodi is the sole perpetrator of this crime, if she was even one at all, as the evidence, to me, suggests otherwise.

    How is it that a boot print never gets investigated? Jodi’s? Ok…if that was the case you think that would be one of the prime pieces of evidence in the prosecutions case. Only no that wasn’t allowed in…

    How is it that the roommates never smelled the decomposition of the body? I mean 5 days is a pretty long time for a body to just sit there. I would think the house would be permeated with the smell. It wasn’t that big of a house. The excuse is that Travis’ room and the rest of the house was separated. Sure thing…that’s why you didn’t smell it. Lets not forget that he left everything that he might have taken with him to Cancun, where you were well aware of that he was going, sitting out where if you walked in the house you would have noticed. Trivial I say! (Sarcasm) That really is a big huh for me.

    Then I thought Travis was supposed to leave for Cancun the day following his murder. Correct me if I’m wrong, but if that’s the case why did it take Mimi another 3 days to go to his house to see if something was wrong. You would think that since she knew she was supposed to go with him that she would have contacted him the day of…and if she didn’t get him that day, she would have gone and checked on him then. Nope…not very important.

    Next, the last picture of Travis alive and the picture a minute later. So I’ve seen the picture perfect shot and the reflection of Travis’ eye. I can say that I do see Jodi, and I realize that this is subjective and could never be admitted as evidence simply because of that fact. That being said I believe that I see her in a light bottom and grayish green top not taking the picture, but at a side angle. Almost like she is running somewhere. Which corroborates her story.

    All that being said, I realize that I could be completely wrong and this could be an open and shut case. However, I have yet to run into anything in this life that is as black and white as the prosecution has laid out. How is it then that Dustin Thompson’s ex Ashley Reed, who as fate would have it was talking of moving in with Travis, and his brother Dan both commit suicide. Dan on the day of Jodi’s arrest. Huh? The police never look into that?

    Not to mention Chris Hughes and his scary ass wife. I hear on HLN that Jodi is so scary and emotionless…what a creep right? Not even close. I would rather be in a room with a million Jodi’s than even one Sky. I don’t care if Jodi really did it or not, which of course as I said above I don’t think she did. There is something about those people. I heard that Travis might have fondled their kids when he was babysitting….true conjecture. However if that is true, certainly a motive. How do they go from saying Travis isn’t good for Jodi in one second, to saying that it was Jodi that wasn’t good for Travis. Emails say different. Not to mention how uncomfortable Chris Hughes looked during his time on the stand. There was just something about that.

    I don’t know I could go on and on and on about this fucking case. There is something that just does not sit right with me. We are all in agreement with the fact that this was the most unfair trial ever. No chance for her, and I feel awful about it. I want you all to know that I am on your side, not out of blindness but from looking at evidence and the fact that most of the characterization of Jodi is simply hearsay. My conjecture of that is that it is simply jealousy. She is beautiful and they are not. That simple.

    Thank you to anyone that even reads this rant and I want you all to know that I read and appreciate each and every one of you. Peace!

    This whole trial has been full of nothing but corruption and no regard for the prime victim or the unfortunate patsy, Jodi. I don’t care what anyone thinks of me and I will personally not rest until there is justice for this poor woman who was seriou

  23. I am very thankful to the 4 who stood by their convictions and voted for life. I took a special delight in hearing they found JM to be a piece of shit bully too even though they said it more diplomatically than I. Their lives are not going to be easy for them the next week. As has all ready been witnessed with the Foreman, they will be slandered, harassed and threatened whether they speak out or not with these internet bullies who have perfected the art with all the other victims of slander and bullying this entire trial of all defense witnesses and experts.

    HLN and those psychos on the Justice 4 Travis facebook page and twitter will not stop all week not until they identify each one and start the hate campaign on them. I advise them to report any and all threats and harassment to the FBI and all local authorities. Report IP’s take screen shots.

    This shit that goes on on Facebook and twitter of asasinating someone online has got to be stopped with real repercussions.

    The other jurors who step forward to be fame whores with pride in their vote for the DP I hope they trip over their own tongues and turn this farce of a trial on its ear with more evidence that they did jury misconduct by reading online and watching media lies like HLN for the pulse of the case instead of being objective and impartial. They are sorry little sheeple who HLN will make into faux heros all week long.

    Meanwhile the Alexanders and the Hughes with their at least 5 donation avenues will continue to shamelessly beg for money from the adoring masses and try to evade taxes further and keep laughing all the way to the bank. That has to be stopped too. Pay your taxes on your public welfare gravy train you crooks, criminals and vengence filled evildoers !!

    I am sure Tanisha has plenty to continue her meth addiction and maybe fix her teeth and Stephen enough to get the therapy he obviously needs. Sky Cruella Hughes has enough for her continued botox injections and her fat ass husband has enough for his food addiction which probably replaces their sex life. Too busy counting dollars and trashing Jodi. I am sorry to say but I have no mercy or sympathy for the whole evil lot of them.

    This verdict maybe God was trying to tell them something— but thats right— their religion is a cult and not one about love and forgiveness but only of collecting wealth and sitting in judgment of Jodi while ignoring their own many life transgressions. It should be called HYPOCRISM not Mormonism.

    Dirty Sanchez and the judge should be sanctioned for their unethical behavior. Flores should be demoted to a donut eating beat cop and the ME he needs to go back to medical school to learn how to do more thorough work and then get a heart transplant as its apparent he missed getting one when they were giving those out and learn how to not commit perjury. Looking like Rob Lowe’s little brother will only get you so far.

    As for Jodi, the truth will come out one way or the other it always does. She may not walk free for a long time but she will never be put to death of that I am sure. We will be here to continue the good fight of a fair trial without the vitriol of the ignorant haters and media interference encroaching on her rights as a citizen to a fair and impartial trial and better outcome that this woman deserves. We love you girl—don’t give up your rights to appeals!!

  24. I joined “Occupy HLN”‘s Facebook page and followed them on Twitter a couple of weeks ago. They do excellent work and this latest article is no exception. They are doing the kind of job that the so-called “journalists” in the mainstream media used to do, but don’t do.

    • Me too. I have always pegged The Dogg as a narcissist and they all attract each other in a very scary groupthink. Even to the point of preserving women to ‘deflower’ it’s nauseating.
      But nobody wants to report it. Are the reprisals THAT scary?
      If they are, then I would shake my head even more from thousands of miles away…

      • TA’s friends thought it so amusing that he would go to BYU with a backpack to pick up girls. Reminds me of Ted Bundy who also used props (fake cast, arm sling) to get his victims.

    • So true, Frank! True investigative journalists that ask the kind of questions that should be asked, report the kind of facts that people really need to know in order to make up their own minds, and who take a professional and objective approach seems to be increasingly rare these days.

    • Good morning Al,

      Great tune as always.

      I was just curious on what your thoughts are
      On what we have heard from the jurors as
      Far as juror misconduct?
      Thanks!

      • Thank Gn.

        I don’t know if they’ve crossed the line just yet, however some of the stuff from 17 definitely bears investigation.

        However, I don’t think appeals courts react to this sort of stuff unless there is a blatant misconduct case. Minor issues, like when someone made up their minds doesn’t matter, as long as one of them doesn’t say – I made up my mind before the case started and lied during voire dire.

  27. Did you all see this from juror #17:

    @angel7878 in opening statements when we heard all the stories!Then it was confirmed when she took the stand! Everything she said was a lie!

    It was on her twitter account and so she disnt follow the law because the burden of proof is on the state.

    If there were other jurors feeling this way jodi had no chance at all to receive a fair trial.

    • So she is admitted she had her mind made up after opening statements?

      I don’t understand… We have a juror admitting that her mind was made up from opening statements… We have a juror who was obviously emotionally influenced by the Alexanders as she apologized to them in court right after she was dismissed… We have this same juror buddying up to and taking pictures with the Hughes and their family… We have the juror foreman admitting he believed Jodi was abused, but somehow he still chose a verdict of M1…

      How much more do the jurors need to say until this verdict is thrown out?? A juror had their mind made up after OPENING ARGUMENTS, meaning she essentially ignored the WHOLE TRIAL and was biased towards the prosecution from the BEGINNING. How is the verdict not being thrown out RIGHT NOW?

        • Not just that, but here again seems to be a woman, who instead of understanding Jodi’s plight seems to be blaming her.

          Remember her comment about how it takes a woman to see through Jodi, the men just give in.

          WTF?

          I’ve been commenting on this for months – why the heck do the women have it in for this poor girl? I just don’t get it. It’s not like TA was some great catch and they should be jealous of her. The guy was scum. Jodi, on the other hand seems to be the one that catches the wrath of women?

          Anyone have any ideas why?

          • It’s probably because Jodi is hard to read. The problem there is that Jodi does have emotional problems. I don’t know her so I can’t say for certain but her responses to some seem odd. I personally understand she’s got PTSD and she may have been fruity prior to June4, 2008 but the events of that night pushed her psyche over the edge. For this very reason which even the jury foreman admits she shouldn’t have been given M1 verdict because she SNAPPED!

            • Women are vicious by nature, and love to see other women hurt when they cannot have something themselves. Maybe their spouse cheated on them with someone like Jodi, so now Jodi is paying for their sins.

              Most of these women who want the DP for Jodi, are vicious, and didn’t even watch the trial. Only what they saw on HLN . Also, Jodi is taking a lot of heat from the CA trial even through they are two different trials. People feel that CA should of been convicted, and the judicial system was flawed in that case, and don’t want another person to walk free that killed someone.

              Also most of these women are uneducated, and refuse to look at the facts and evidence. Abuse is very common in families, and I can assure you that everyone somewhere in their faimily has experience some sort of abuse ( mental, physical, verbal). They just hide it in the closet……….

              • What pathological reason would you suggest for the men on the jury voting for the death penalty? If women are vicious by nature, then what problem do the men have? I think it may be more useful not to get into age or sex, without an educated scenario. It is more likely that their death penalty willingness is linked to an inability to process such vast amounts of information, as well as mob mentality thinking. I think people who serve on juries need more initial screening and scrutiny. some people do not have the ability to think abstractly, and that is a must skill for a juror.

                • Actually, I really liked something Vladimir Gagic had to say about juries:

                  http://www.azcriminallawsexcrimes.com/violent-crimes/jodi-arias-trial/should-jodi-arias-accept-a-life-sentence-no/

                  “Jurors who lean pro-police or pro-defense is normal and common. It is a fair representation of our society as a whole. It is the very essence of a “jury of our peers”. As such, why not instead let any qualified juror serve during the guilt phase of the trial, whether or not he believes in the death penalty, and then let a second death penalty qualified jury determine the actual sentence?

                  By having two separate juries, one determines guilt and another the sentence, we would ensure the first jury would actually be a fair representation of the community. But the way things stand now, Ms. Arias was never actually “judged by a jury of her peers”; she was instead judged by a jury in which all the jurors believe in the death penalty. That is not even remotely the same thing. “

              • I have to take issue with you saying that women are vicious by nature. I disagree. The women you are seeing are fundamentalists. These women are like the women in the middle east, who go along with the horrible abuse by men. They are brainwashed to believe that women are inferior, just as the men, and they will enforce it.

                They have a double standard and they are showing that double standard. They don’t have the critical thinking skills necessary to be jurors on a case like this. There is no question in my mind that JM knew this.

                It’s simple, we are dealing with a fundamentalist cult here.

                BTW, I was raised in one, and this is very, very familiar to me.

                The old biddies enforce the religion on the younger, and they will never change. Fundamentalists, like those responsible for 9/11, think in black and white as they have accused Jodi of doing.

                But, it is a very misogynistic statement to say that “Women are vicious by nature” etc.

                Those women on that jury who voted for the death penalty may be vicious by nature, and jealous, but most likely they are church enforcers, brainwashed by a cult.

            • Good grief, FLNANG, I’m glad we haven’t met in person. You’d think I was nuttier than a fruitcake, I’m sure. Her responses seem odd???

          • Al, I think the real reason is there is a bias in society that women who commit a violent crime (even in self defense) must be a monster. Whereas, a man is expected to be at least, somewhat more violent by nature and, therefore, is more easily forgiven.

            International statistics reveal that abused women who kill their abusers are convicted at the same rate as any other person who commits murder.

            But look at this factual statistic: the average sentence of an abusive man who kills his victim is 2-6 years; while the average sentence of an abused woman who kills her abuser is 15-20 years.

            Why the discrepancy? Society does not understand abuse and does not expect a woman to commit murder as a result. And as I said above, If she does, she is punished more severely for doing so.

          • Al…

            I still feel it is the jealous thing with those women…

            I’ve been saying for months…Jodi is beautiful…intelligent…and she is a soft spoken young woman…those characteristics alone intimidates a group of women that are older…fatter…not as pretty…and not as smart as Jodi…

            Let’s say that Jodi is not on trial…that she is speaking in a Church women’s group meeting…once that group of women hear her talk…they would still have an immediate dislike for her…

            It happened to me and I know first hand how “bitchy” and conniving those jealous females can be when they take an instant dislike of you because of your beauty, intelligence and kindness toward others…

            I had to change churches because two women told me that their husbands wouldn’t quit complimenting on my looks to them and they felt they couldn’t be friends with me because of that and they shunned me…

            It was so sad…

            And that was the day that I learned about bitches…

            • I had many a similar incident when I was young, thin and pretty. Now, I’m older, fatter and not as pretty, but I don’t look at younger thinner more beautiful women with envy or hatred. I don’t worry my fiance is going to run away with them either.

            • Keep in mind there were more men on the jury than women. People are complex, both men and women and they are a collage of their past. What stereotypical attribute are you going to paste on the male jurors?

      • And a judge who was like a one woman Juan Fanclub, who cried when the jury were unable to sentence Jodi to death.

        I still stand that was the root of her choking up was the lack of death sentence.

      • Unfortunately though, she didn’t deliberate so she didn’t effect the verdict.

    • She should be arrested for abuse of exclamation points. What a twat. And she was convinced of Jodi’s guilt after OPENING STATEMENTS? Keep running your mouth, asshole….

      • She should be arrested for abuse of exclamation points.” LOL LOL Kira.
        Ooops,I think I do it too.I better cut it out,I dont want to have anything in common with her,not even exclamation points, lol!

    • I agree with you Frank. I remember Juan saying he was PETRIFIED of Jodi. Yea I usually have sex with people I’m petrified of.

      • Jeff——-Martinez saying that was without a doubt one of the most ridiculous moments of the trial. He was not afraid of Jodi, and only told people that who did not like her.

      • Haha right, Jeff. Let’s all walk around screwing all the people we’re afraid of.

        Any girls here want to have sex with Martinez any time soon? How about CASH? Any takers? Anyone, anyone?

    • Nice, Frank! Very good info and very well documented I tried to respond with a positive comment but for some reason it didn’t take. I will try again later.

    • Beautiful Frank . . I don’t subscribe to the options and found leaving a comment n/a for the time being but want you to know your blog is awesome.

    • ” And, it sure didn’t stop him from wanting to penetrate those holes as often as possible.”

      Love it, Frank! Tell it like it is!

      “That is justification of behavior that is wrong and it sounds like a similar comment I heard evangelist Pat Robertson say earlier this week about how men cheat on their women because “they’re men”. Any man that treats a woman like this is a douche bag as far as I’m concerned and shame on anyone who defends this type of behavior.”

      INDEED! Women saying “But Travis was just being a guy. Any guy will take sex that’s readily offered to him,” makes me ill. I have been blessed in my life to know PLENTY of self-respecting guys who do not need to shove it into any hole that presents itself to them. And even guys who have done that once or twice while young and drunk, didn’t repeat that behaviour with the same girl or by the time they reached the age of 30!

      Thank you for posting that, Frank!

      • To Also Abused——you are so correct.To believe that his abuse of Jodi at age 30 was normal is crazy. Travis was a young man, not a boy. His rage was apparent. Keep in mind, these are the same women who are not concerned about the very disturbing and abnormal thoughts he verbalized about 12 year old girls. I think the state should have called an expert witness to discuss the relevancy of these kind of thoughts, as well as his inability to hide these thoughts. I absolutely believe, based on this statement that he would have molested a child.

        • And I assume you HAVE read Martinez’s motion to preclude testimony of Dr. Karp (who later left the case because of her cancer) whose report stated that he admitted he DID fondle two little boys, right? If not, let me know. I’ll post it again.

  30. the foreman juror looks to me like he really understands the Jodi arias before jun 4 as a very normal and caring person, so i wonder what evidence has convinced him to say that she was a different woman on jun 4 to say that she was a killer with premeditation

    • I doubt it was evidence but fear of threats.

      You are never going to see the jurors admit it.

      • he deems to be a very wise fair man i really wonder maybe he just lacks understanding a big picture

      • Tonysam,

        You are right. This verdict was not based on the evidence. I don’t know if it was fear, or they bought the NLN junk, or what. But it was not the evidence, because the evidence for premeditated M1 just isn’t there.

    • eli-
      My thoughts exactly. He seems to “get it” including that he sees that Jodi was verbally and emotionally abused. There seems to be a real disconnect that he then thinks it was premeditated.

      • Juan Martinez’s ace in the hole was, and will be (should another jury be empaneled), the neck wound photo. That’s where the disconnect comes from. Human beings can be logical, we can weigh the facts and the evidence, but then throw up that photo on the elmo for a few seconds and all that goes out the window. It’s kind of like ads in the 60’s, which were eventually banned, that flashed subliminal words like ‘sex’ in a booze ad. A picture is worth a 1000 words and as a prosecutor, he knew this from day one. That wound alone got him his M1 premed. He didn’t need no stinking evidence.

        • oh,but he did so much more than the neck wound photo to mess with the jurors heads.He lied,misrepresented facts&evidence,mischaracterized people’s testimonies and the Law itself,objected ad nauseum,covered up his own experts lies,attacked witnesses and used all theatrical skills he could to get his way in that courtroom.It’s a shame that all 12 jurors fell for that.

        • You’re so right Krikee. He didn’t have any stinking evidence. But that throat slash was ALWAYS ALWAYS the smoking gun! Without the throat slash, I honestly think there would have been a different verdict.

  31. Good Morning All!

    Let’s keep Jodi in our prayers and thought every day. I believe they still have her on lock down, so 23 hrs. a day with no inter actions with others. If I’m wrong about that somebody please correct me.

    As a father of two girls just a little older than Jodi my heart is breaking for her. My youngest was in an abusive marriage for about ten years. Since they lived 1400 miles away I was not aware of what was going on. When I visited all seemed well and my daughter finally told me she was ashamed of what was happening and she felt it was her fault. Most of the abuse was verbal and emotional, however it started to become physical. She finally had the strength and called the cops.

    Right after they had a baby boy, about 8 years into their marriage. I was there helping for a couple weeks and caught some of the verbal abuse first hand. While eating breakfast, I heard my son-in-law call my daughter a “lazy fat fucking cunt” and boy did my blood pressure go sky high. I went after him and he pick my grandson up to hide behind. He does not realize how close he was to meeting his maker. If I had known about the physical abuse at that time, I’m afraid that I would be behind bars at this time.

    This is what bothers me about Jodi’s father. He needs to stand up and support his daughter, instead of saying she is “a strange person”. He needs let Jodi know that he loves and will be fighting for till the end. He needs to stand up and be a man. Both of her parents need to come clean and realize that the way they raised Jodi was not the proper way. What I mean by this is they did the same thing many parents do, it’s my way or the high way. The things Jodi said about her parents are so common in hundreds of other kid’s stories. She didn’t trust them because they did invade her privacy, many parents do. After my wife and I divorced while my kids were in Junior High, my girls went through a rough spell with drugs and drinking, thank God they got through it. I made a lot of mistakes with my youngest when she was going through her drug stage, but one thing she always new is that I loved her and would always be there for her.

    Let’s keep Jodi’s family in our prayers too. I hope they will have the strength to support Jodi the way they should.

    • Tim,

      Did you listen to ALV’s testimony about Jodi’s Dad?

      Would you ever, ever in a hundred million years compare your daughters body to that of one of her friends? Would you ever whip your daughter a belt to your daughter?

      I don’t think so.

      And that my friend is the difference.

      • I honestly think Jodi’s dad was not a great guy. He didn’t treat her mother very well. And he’s a man who suppressed his own emotional side, perhaps being annoyed by it and allowing it to fester as anger. While I hate to stereotype, many Hispanic men are raised to believe they should not show their emotions. 5 years ago, when Gloria Esteban interviewed him, he didn’t show ANY emotion whatsoever. He wasn’t even phased by the fact that a detective was telling him his daughter murdered her boyfriend. In fact, he almost appeared cooperative. That was in stark contrast with Jodi’s mother who was virtually hysterical.

        Today, Jodi’s dad is a sickly man who may not have long for this world. I think he showed up in court to show his daughter that he does support her — even during some of her most graphic testimony. If he was healthier, I believe he would have been their every day beside her mother. The photo from the other day where Jodi’s parents were holding hands leaving court showed a completely different side of her father. As many people do, in facing the end of his days, he’s contemplating his life and seeing things differently. Perhaps this case has changed him and altered his views on life.

  32. Wow! Frank you hit the nail on the head. These were my thought exactly when I viewed TA’s my space page also. It tells the real story about Travis. I sure hope that the appellate attorneys have some one to research the social media. Not only to expose Travis, but also the jurors.

  33. I’ve been following the trial since this happened. You see, I’m a member if the “Mormon” faith, and I was in the singles Ward with Travis and Jodi in Palm Desert. I will say this with question about it – Jodi is innocent.

    I remember my brother had a thing for Jodi, my sister Rosalin told him he didn’t have a chance because Jodi was all about Travis. One night at a group activity Travis was doing his usual pretending that he wasn’t with Jodi. My brother smiled at her and said hi. A few minutes later I was walking to the bathroom and there in the hall Travis was calling Jodi a whore and a cunt, and accusing her of sleeping with m brother. Then later that night he was acting cozy with her saying to people “isn’t she so beautiful? ”

    He was a creep. There are men like him in the church that give us all a bad name. I know because I was once abused the same way. She should NOT be guilty. He pushed her to a Kenya brink, and I will defend her to anyone who will listen.

    • Wow!

      And where were all you folks while she was on trial? Why didn’t some of these folks get in touch with the defense team?

        • I have mentioned this story on here months ago. I emailed my story to the defense years ago before they changed lawyers. I never heard back. This whole trial was flawed. I wasn’t the only person in the branch to witness him, but none of us were called as witnesses.

          • Rebecca, I have been here a long time and I apologize I do not remember your post.

            Do you remember what month that was?

            Posts never actually disappear, they are all still here somewhere. 🙂

            You could still go to the defense at this time if you are not afraid of repercussions.

          • Rebecca…

            Darryl Brewer made a live statement the other night too about a whole town that was fond of Jodi and was ready to stand up for her and they were ready to come but no one ever subpoena them for this trial…

            Wonder how many other people got lost in the shuffle with the change of attorneys being involved with this trial???

            Do you know of any other besides yourself and Darryl Brewer that this happened too???

          • Rebecca,

            If you knew that Jodi changed attorneys / different attorneys’ where assigned to her case, why didn’t you contact the new defense team? Just because you emailed them doesn’t mean they received the email. They are flooded with emails from this case, and it could of been in a spam mail. Why not pick up the phone and call them, or certifed letter with confirmation that they received the letter?

            I understand your scared as your Mormom and they are dangerous people. But for Christ Sakes her life is on the line…….. put yourself or one of your children in her shoes…. Wouldn’t you want someone to step up to the plate in the beginning… not after they have been convicted of M1 …… You could of got in touch with her parents, family members, defense team, anyone on this case for JODI…

            You need to step up to the plate and do your civil duty……….. you are not the only Mormom that has come to this board saying they know something but are to scared…….. why would you stay in a cult llike religion if it’s that dangerous? Get the heck out, and do the right thing NOW please……..!!

          • So, you emailed your story to the public defender’s office? Is that what you’re claiming? You sent it to the main email address on their website? And this was years ago? Did they have an email address on their website years ago?

            And you didn’t check to make sure they received it by following up with a phone call and ensuring that you got to speak to the actual lawyers assigned to the case?

            You do know that Kirk Nurmi (who worked for the public defender’s office) has been on the case since almost the very beginning, right? And that the only “change” in lawyers was the addition of Jennifer Willmott, right? I’m sure if you were savvy enough to look up the public defender’s website, you would have been savvy enough to find his name and call the office and ask for him.

      • Al, I apologize for arriving late to the scene, but I didn’t start watching this trial until March. Honestly, I didn’t even know about this case until March of this year. In hindsight, I really wish that I could have been here sooner, but since we can’t go back in time at least I’m here now with all of you. The important thing here is that we’re here now and not going anywhere.

        • Same here, Frank. I had no idea this case was going on until March of this year. To everyone on this website I apologize for all the Trial 101 questions I’ve asked you. I still have not gone through all of the trial testimony. I have made it through the police interviews though, and all of Jodi’s direct, redirect. I’m just having a hard time going thru JM’s cross and recross of JA, ugh.

    • If your story is true it really is too bad you did not come forward. You observed abuse.

    • Rebecca…

      Refer to my gravatar….

      Jaz….RIGHT ON MY FRIEND!!!! ((((((((((((((good morning))))))))))))))) (((((((I “heart” you))))))))))

      LOL LOL

      • oops…it changed too quick….

        Rebecca:
        I smell BULLSHIT, COWSHIT, SKUNKSHIT, PORCUPINESHIT, WOLFSHIT, BATSHIT, ANTSHIT, BUFFALOSHIT, ELEPHANTSHIT, WHALESHIT….and any other shit there is……….

        • Look my name and my sister and brothers names up in the palm desert singles branch directory. Why the heck would I make that up?

    • Hi Rebecca, when you say you were in a singles ward with Travis and Jodi, do you mean you were at a singles ward function or that you all belonged to the Palm Desert singles ward?

    • I know that Jodi lived in Palm Desert when she converted and was baptized there by Travis. Did he OFTEN travel from Mesa to attend group singles ward activities in Palm Desert?

    • Goodmorning everyone. This really REALLLLYYYYYYY makes me upset. How can there be people out there sitting around doing NOTHING all this time. And now that its almost over and JODI was found guilty, im SURE people will come out saying that they’ve seen how TA treated Jodi!!!!!!!!!

      WTF???!!!! Really, should WE really blv that if Nurmi had this info he wouldn’t have used it?! I don’t think so! He called Daryl B. and the defense even had to mention Leslie Yurri (or whatever her name was) in the last phase because no one NOONE had came out for Jodi. ONLY TWO people were willing to talk in Jodis behalf and they got threatened. Maybe if MORE people would’ve came out, these Mormon HATERS wouldn’t have found it SO easy to bully and threaten all of 4 or 5people that supported Jodi in court!

      Showing FACE NOW, might help them sleep better at night but think about it, we’ll NEVER know what the outcome would’ve been if these cowards would’ve shown up ON TIM, WHEN NEEDED! Fuck that, Jodi doesn’t NEED any bystanders NOW!!!!!

      • We don’t need any of them now plain and simple! We are our own community here too and we’re all very disciplined as well and ready for action!

        STRENGTH THROUGH COMMUNITY!

        STRENGTH THROUGH DISCIPLINE!

        STRENGTH THROUGH ACTION!

    • Wow, Rebecca, that is interesting stuff. If that is true, then I agree that this information should have been mentioned months ago. However, I’m not here to chastise you and I’m not going to make you feel guilty. But you know what you can do? Be here for Jodi now. Loudly and proudly. And don’t let those fuckers intimidate you or give you a hard time.

    • Rebecca,personally I have no reason in the world to not believe you.
      My question is simple though and I can only speak for myself: If I who LIVE IN GREECE for goodness sake am here,trying to do my best to support Jodi through a keyboard and haver never even met her yet my heart aches for her,where were all of you to stand by her??????
      I know you’re saying you e-mailed them but my oh my…I would have done more if I were you.If I wanted my voice to be heard to SAVE a young woman’s life,I would be pounding on every door and would try to speak up until someone listened to what I had to say.
      Nothing can be undone at this point.But Jodi’s fight has not finished,far from it.
      If you are willing to help,you should.Even now,imho.

      • Exactly Maria, thats what im talking about. I would’ve made sure, SOMEONE would’ve heard me out. Her defense attorneys, it would’ve tryed to get on TV too. Gus did!! Im sure it wouldn’t have been easy because HLN and most of the media didnt want to air any Jodi support but Im almost sure that if people wouldve came forward to Geraldo or Gretta they would’ve listened and they would’ve aired it. The jury would’ve seened it because we all know they were watching!

    • Rebecca, you were probably fearful like the other people who attended the church, to speak up for jodi. Sure hope you will re think this and let the defense team know what ever you know. You may save this woman’s life. Please do the right thing now.

      • If Rebecca is for real, and has reason to be fearful, she should not be identifying herself on a public discussion board, in my opinion.

        Do the right thing, or don’t do it, but claiming to be an eye-witness to Travis’s abuse right here, where anyone can read it, doesn’t make a lot of sense.

    • Thank you for your post, Rebecca. It gives additional insight into the relationship between Jodi and Travis.

    • “She should NOT be guilty” you post sounds a few others that claim to have come here from the mormom community…. your wording/ expression is very similar. Makes me question your motive.
      ” He pushed her to a Kenya brink” Can to elobrate on this?
      I will defend her to anyone who will listen. We are all eyes and ears………. Why now? How in the heck to sleep at night knowing that you let this monster TA abuse Jodi and you watched this trial and know she’s convicted of M1….. You are just as bad as the other side…. Why didn’t you ask anyone of us for HELP, call the DEFENSE TEAM? What if this would of been one of your children?

      If you also experienced abuse , then you know exactly how Jodi is feeling inside………. You need to do the right thing and talk with the defense team…..NOW, and I cannot stress that enough……!!!!!!!!!!! Don’t sell your soul to the devil because your scared.

    • I must admit I’m a little confused, Rebecca. Jodi lived in Palm Desert with Darryl. But, Jodi wasn’t a Mormon then, and at that time, Travis was living in Mesa, AZ. Why would Travis have attended a singles ward in Palm Desert with Jodi?

      • Oh yes Jodi did become a Mormon an was baptized in Palm Desert that sneaky snake
        was sending those Mormon’s to her door to get her to join there while he was in Mesa.
        Also they would met at a half way mark somewhere at the Hughes home until the Hughes
        say they did not like Jodi anymore. An stopped that visiting thing? so they say ?

        You know that still bothers me about the Hughes saying that one night they as in Skye an
        Chris an Travis sat in their bedroom ? (odd to me) whispering things about Jodi. An they
        were shocked when she came to the door? really because I would be curious if it were me
        an my so called bf was spending over a hour an a half in a married couples bedroom whispering
        I actually would think something maybe going on in there the door was closed?

        An I still wonder today if those 3 were not doing some sexual things. I would almost bet though
        since Skye knew Travis first she fell for him an his slimy snake ways. They also had the balls
        to say oh when we went to sleep we were so scared Jodi would do something to our children.
        OMG they are so stupid really if that were true how could a parent even go to sleep then at all?
        Liars Snakes an Evilness is all I see in those peoples eyes.

  34. AA,

    A response to your response from yesterday that I just got around to reading.

    Your last paragraph drove home the fact that, while on an intellectual level many of us are aware of abuse and DV, the myriad and devastating ways in which it destroys the lives of decent people is a secret. Before I came to this site, I too was aware that domestic violence and spousal abuse existed, but the ways in which such abuse is levied on the folks was something I did not know, or for that matter had considered. Alyce LaViolette’s testimony actually drove home the fact that this behavior exists at a number of levels, and manifests itself in different ways ranging from the verbal to the physical. Prior to listening to her descriptions the mental image I had was one that revolved around physical abuse alone. The effects of verbal, mental and sexual abuse were not something that had ever crossed my mind. But hearing her testimony, and reading the stories of all the survivors on this site was an eye opening experience. More importantly a question that is often asked by those who don’t know much about this phenomenon was answered, at least for me, – Why do people take it?

    The sad thing is that across the world, everyday, there are millions of lives being destroyed by this scourge, whether it is the lives of the victim, their children or in fact the perpetrator. While some perpetrators may be inherently evil, it seems that the climate of their nurture seems to have a substantial impact on their future behavior as perpetrators, leading to a seemingly endless and growing cycle of violence.

    I think you are correct. People who do not have this scourge in their lives need to get involved. Only then will we be able to wipe this calamity off the face of the earth. More importantly, we need to educate others of how this happens and the ways in which it rips apart the heart and soul of those caught in its tentacles. And this needs to go from the grass roots all the way up to the halls of Government and the Judiciary. I think it needs to be explained that firstly this sort of violence is not the fault of the victim, and definitely not an excuse on their parts for some sort of personal shortcoming. Secondly, people need to understand that this sort of violence and abuse has a real and lasting impact on those it is levied upon, and is not just a convenient excuse for some later action on their parts – they are in the most literal sense of the term, fighting for their lives, whether physical, mental or spiritual. Lastly, it needs to be brought home to folks that such violence is often a dirty little secret between the abuser and the abusee, and society as a whole and authorities in particular act in inane ways, that tends to perpetuate the cycle.

    What we need is a sort of grass roots effort that spreads the word. I think as a first step, those like me who don’t have this miasma in our own homes need to talk about it in our own homes and with our friends. We need to make sure that our children are fully aware of the consequences of DV and the havoc it wreaks on those subjected to it. Secondly we need to have some way to bring this to the forefront of civic discussion (sort of like what MADD with drunk driving). I am willing and eager to get involved in any way I can.

    When I read the stories of all the wonderful people on this page who have been subjected to domestic abuse and violence I am not just saddened, but mortified that this happens within us and as a society, those of us immune to it have never seen the ugly underbelly of the beast. This should not happen, and must not be allowed to continue.

    • Why we took it number of reasons marriage for better or worse because we think they can change because we are in love so deep that we are blind to see reality we don’t want our family and friends to know what is happening and we take it because the say I’m sorry I did that and will not do it again kiss kiss and make it better and then 1 week later it starts all over again tell you snap or the light of day hits you and you say enough is enough and leave or it gets so bad you want to kill him Al thanks for your comment.

      • We went to a shrink and he told her my mom and dad hit each other and I though that was just the way marriage was suppose to be like when he would not give me a divorce I joined the navy still married to him to get away from him that is what saved me if I had stayed he would have killed me or I would have kill him.

        • That is what ALV was trying to tell the jury that we learn this behavior from our parents and the Travis clan did not want to here that no did my husband Jack Burge now my X I have no idea what he is doing nor do I care he tried to come back into my life and after being away I could see right thru him and all his shit. He still would not divorce me so I moved to Denver Colorado then off to the Navy. It was putting distance between us it made me stronger because he had pulled me so far down I was brainwashed thinking I was not worth anything and more

        • Hail Mary
          “when he would not give me a divorce”

          where did you get the idea that his approval is required for you to get a divorce ?

          from a friend, familiy law attorney, or your husband ?

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divorce_in_the_United_States
          Divorce in the United States
          Like marriage, divorce in the United States is the province of the state governments, not the federal government. Divorce or “dissolution of marriage” is a legal process in which a judge or other authority dissolves the bonds of matrimony existing between two persons, thus restoring them to the status of being single and permitting them to marry other individuals. The legal process for divorce may also involve issues of spousal support, child custody, child support, distribution of property and division of debt, though these matters are usually only ancillary or consequential to the dissolution of the marriage.

          Divorce laws vary from state to state. Although all states allow “no fault” divorce

          maybe explore the popular nolo website
          http://www.nolo.com/
          and
          google>
          divorce nolo
          and
          divorce us

    • Yes! We need to accept that DV is all too common and this will continue to happen. Thankfully, Jodi HAS brought about awareness. I’m proud of her. It could not have been easy to take the stand for 18 days. She did the right thing! Guess what? I was abused by a psychopath. I called 911 on him when he hit our then 14 month old baby in the head with my cell phone. I lied to the cops when they arrived because he threatened me and had me too scared to tell the truth. Good people lie when they are scared to death.
      I’ve wondered the same, why are women siding with T? Why?

    • Al, it’s funny you mention MADD. One of my friends always says if one woman started that movement and moved mountains, why are the so-called domestic violence advocacy organizations not having the same results?

      One donor alone gave $3500 to the Alexander family to help them get through this trial. But domestic violence victims can’t get $50 for a bus ticket so they could find a way to leave their abusers.

      I speak about my story because it’s something I CAN speak about and I would have to find creative ways not to divulge confidences about other women’s stories, pardon me for that, but my story isn’t that different from others. My ex was arrested on March 14, 2011, and he was given a no-contact order from the criminal judge. The following day, I got a temporary civil injunction for protection (also called an order of protection or restraining order in other states). I also applied to the state of FL for relocation assistance as a domestic violence victim. Meanwhile, the final hearing on my injunction was on March 29, 2011. The judge could have dismissed it and allowed him to come back to the house that same day. He agreed to continue it indefinitely, because any evidence he testified to could have been used against him in the criminal proceeding. The prosecutor had the same amount of time (two weeks) to decide whether the felony he was arrested for would stick, or reduced to a misdemeanour battery (which often happens). In my case, the felony stuck and they decided that on March 28, 2011. If they hadn’t, and if I’d lost my injunction, he would have been back in that house and I could have been killed. Finally, in mid-May, 2011, the state of Florida sent me a check for $1,500 for relocation assistance. It took THAT long. While I’m grateful I got anything, it didn’t even pay for one month’s rent in this area — which I’m sure you know since you live somewhere around DC. That’s the most they give. If I’d have 4 children, that’s all I would have gotten. It doesn’t matter.

      Other than that, there’s no help with anything. They’ll give you free representation at the final hearing on protection orders — if you’re completely indigent. But if you own a house of have more than $300 in the bank, you don’t even get that. You’re on your own for the divorce and custody battles. Unless you have wealthy family members, good luck representing yourself. In FL, Legal Aid would only consider helping in cases where the woman is 100% indigent (I was) and has children (I didn’t). Personally, I found that discriminating, but what could I do?

      You can get some free or reduced fee counseling if you can get to the places the counseling facility (which are usually off the beaten track), and if the counselors can fit you into their schedule. And, if the waiting list isn’t too long (in some places, it’s over a year), you can stay at a shelter for 30 days. But you can’t bring your pets to many shelters. And after 30 days, you’re out. So you’d better have found a job and a place to live. But what if you haven’t worked for many years because you took care of the children? Or, what if you don’t have a great work history because you had to take time off to hide injuries or you were fired because he kept showing up at your job harassing you? That’s the plight many abused women face. Without good references, they can’t get decent jobs. Maybe Wal-Mart will hire them part-time for minimum wage, but how are they going to pay rent and buy groceries on that? And you can’t get an apartment to live in without a job and income to pay the rent.

      Why do so many women go back to their abusers? I hope I’ve given you one answer. They have nowhere else to go and no way to survive.

      Meanwhile, you have to wonder where are the millions of dollars going that various nonprofits are receiving under the VAWA? Nonprofit doesn’t mean the directors aren’t getting paid — and in many cases, they’re being paid 6-figure incomes and getting 6-figure bonuses. (I’m not kidding. We’ve looked at tax returns.) They’re staffed mainly by volunteers. Their counselors and full-time staff are dramatically underpaid and burn out quickly. So where is the rest of the money going? They host wonderful events to bring awareness to domestic violence and for fundraising and public policy. But how is all that helping the victim who needs $50 to get on a bus and go live with a friend on the other side of the country? When that woman calls all the numbers for help, they give her more numbers to call. When she calls them, they give her more numbers. Eventually, she’s given the same numbers she’s already called.

      There’s a huge problem here and domestic violence reform is desperately needed. What was once a great idea with well-meaning people behind it, became a moneymaking scam, unfortunately. And victims are re-traumatized and re-traumatized dealing with corrupt court systems where judges side with the abuser’s lawyer, while we make lousy witnesses because we’re emotional messed up PTSD-suffering, struggling, poor souls who can’t catch a break no matter where we turn.

      So yes, the movement could certainly use a well-educated, intelligent, articulate man like yourself.

      One of the things I’ve learned from conversation with lawyers is that there are lawyers out there who either want or are required to do pro bono work. A lot of corporate lawyers are bored and would love a challenging court case that made a difference once in a while. But they don’t know that there are victims who need help. They believe that because they give $1000 or more twice a year to some nonprofit, they are facilitating those agencies to support domestic violence victims and give them the legal assistance they need. They’re quite horrified to learn that’s not the case and that their generous donations aren’t actually helping victims.

      Someone like yourself who understands a great deal about the law could go a long way towards getting that message across to lawyers. One of the biggest complaints lawyers have about us “crazy domestic violence victims” is that we’re all over the place. Once we leave, we are suddenly faced with lots of decisions. But we haven’t been allowed to make decisions for years. Again, speaking about myself, I didn’t know who or how the electricity bill or water bill were paid and I didn’t know how to find out. I was burned out on a daily basis from making as many calls as I could looking for help so I could get to the grocery store. I was an emotional wreck because my husband had just tried to kill me. I couldn’t sleep without screaming from horrible nightmares and I continued to expect him to show up. Meanwhile, every day, he did something else, whether it was changing my mailing address, charging legal fees to my account, using my debit cards, setting up a credit card in my name, stealing the business that was my only source of income, having a neighbour harass me, sending animal control to my door, or shutting off water in the house. I was an hysterical basketcase. Other women are torn with visitation which means they have to see their abuser and custody battles — some being dragged to court every week, on top of all the other stresses.

      Lawyers want someone who communicates factually. They want us to detail the assets — which most of the time, we don’t know about, because he didn’t make us privy to that information. We need someone to walk us through the steps back to living a life after years of being afraid of our own shadows. But that’s not what lawyers want to deal with. When I asked a lawyer how I could determine who to pay the household bills to, he suggested I talk to a neighbour. I wasn’t in a fit state to even think of that. But it cost me $250 for him to tell me that. When lawyers get some hysterical abuse victim, we’re a pain in their ass, so they charge us more, but we don’t have more to pay, so they stop representing us.

      Someone like you and others like you could become an intermediary between us and the lawyers. You could help us fill out paperwork we need to submit to the lawyers for mandatory disclosure.

      Sometimes, what we need most is someone to talk to while we try to figure out what to find what we need to gather. Someone who could make practical suggestions on where we might find it. But hotlines can only talk to us anonymously for 30 minutes at a time, and if we’re not in immediate danger or looking for phone number referrals, they really don’t know what to do or say. And we can’t afford to pay our lawyers to ask them, they don’t want to spend the time asking the abuser’s attorney, and he’s most likely NOT going to cooperate anyway, because he wants to punish us for daring to having him arrested or daring to leave.

      I’ll never forget the stress and the pressure of those 10 weeks immediately after his arrest before I left FL. I thought about killing myself at least 20 times every single day because it was actually worse being on my own than being with him and abused. And everywhere I turned for help, I heard over and over again “Why didn’t you just leave?”

      There has to be a better system than we currently have. There has to be a way to help women without demeaning them further.

      Maybe you could think up some ideas. If you ever want to communicate further, you’re always welcome to ask SJ for my email address. You and other strong men and women like you, could really make a difference, and a huge one.

      • Also Abused, I feel your pain, anger and frustration and I know it well. I was told that I had to make a decision. My physical life or my pure existence. If I stayed he would kill me. Leaving meant loosing everything. But if I wanted to live I had to leave. Hide and not look back. I had a 15 year old son who was not allowed to come with me to the battered woman’s shelter. The rule was any male child over 12 years old could potentially reveal the location to the abuser .. his father, in a moment of confusion or weakness. I was not allowed to tell my own son the location of where I was staying. That was the rule if I went to the shelter. Some choice your life or your child! I saw dozens of woman face that choice.
        I did receive free and very good consoling . Some free legal assistance in a protection order that was not sent to the abuser but rather was issued directly to local LE. Which meant a lot but did not stop him from getting in my apartment when I was not there and leaving frightening signs of his ability to get in at his will.
        He never gave up . He found a way to get even as I previously posted. When everything was gone and I still did not return he found other ways and it went on for years.
        The most prevalent and over whelming thing for me was hearing “ just leave” “It must not be that bad” or “Why did you go back if it was so bad? “ or worst of all “ I can not imagine him treating you that way. He is so social and a good man” . In Jodi’s case we all hear “well she was away from him and drove over 1000 miles to get back to him” It is so hard to hear that because I did travel across the entire county to go back . It is hard to explain that you want to believe him so bad that you return again, or all the other dynamics that come into play. Then you feel so completely betrayed and ignorant and confused when the choke hold is tightening around your neck again. I think this is exactly what happened to Jodi on June 4th.
        The laws and resources have improved drastically in the past 25 years since I was in this situation but not nearly enough as you clearly have experienced. I am so sorry for your pain and torment and loss .
        The most important thing is people need to be educated. All of TA’s closet friends knew he abused women , had a temper and was sexually promiscuous . They were partners in his crime against his victims. It is this guilt that causes them to condemn Jodi now with such over zealous not stop BS. It is their way of escaping the reality of the part they played in this dreadful story.
        Many of us live with violence which no one knows about or ever witnesses and often never believe. The shame , guilt, fear, self blame, the confusion and yes even the hope keeps us trapped in silence and the abuser and his actions concealed . But when we do finally cry out for help no one hears. If they do hear they simply do not understand or believe…..just like so may in Jodi’s case. The overwhelming number of people who do not believe she was abused by TA screams the truth. Our society is unaware, uneducated. lacking in compassion and uncaring when a victim suffers . I have advocated for victims for about 25 years now and awareness is still in the dark ages.
        Thank you for sharing your story because I believe it is in these very true testimonials we do reach people and make awareness happen a few people at a time. I think you have brought a new and undeniable awareness to quite a few here and I thank you on behalf of all of those who suffer or have suffered abuse.

        • You know, this really upsets me.

          If we are so progressive as a society and refuse to tolerate abusive behavior, then we should be demanding the abusers to stop abusing, bullies to stop bullying, and rapists to stop raping.

          People need to stop blaming victims. They need to stop asking abuse victims to “just leave,” stop asking rape victims to not wear attractive clothes, and stop asking bullied kids to just ignore it.

          I am so tired of people saying they are against these things, but when push comes to shove, most people don’t want to confront the aggressive assholes perpetrating their bullshit on society. At the end of the day, people tell victims to adjust their behavior. It’s not right.

        • Oh truthbetold, what a choice to have to make! That is just awful that you could not take your child. And yet, people act as if these choices are soooo easy for us to make. No one understood why I couldn’t just go into a shelter, but I couldn’t take my pets. And for some reason, at that time, my furniture, my stuff, meant more to me than my life, and my pets certainly did. I placed no value on my life. But to ask a mother to leave her child? That’s unthinkable.

          No one understands what it’s like until you’ve been there. No one thinks it will happen to them until it does.

          One other question to add to your list — and it’s sometimes been said in humour — is “What did you do that made him that angry?” Good grief!

          Hugs, my sister!

  35. Good Sunday morning Team…!

    Rebecca,

    I need to understand just what your purpose of posting your comments were. IF you witnessed abuse on Travis’ behalf AGAINST Jodi…why did you remain silent until NOW? After Jodi has been CONVICTED?!?!?!?!

    • uhhhmmmm I can guess its because itll help her sleep at night!!!!! The bad conscious isn’t letting these people sleep at night and they THINK if they come out NOW it might help them feel better!!!!!!

      Its unfuckingbelievable to me!!!!!!

  36. Ummmmmm…..

    The Bat phone is ringing ——- calling Batman and Robin………………………………..

    LOL LOL LOL

        • I knew I had to come in here and let you know everything with me is a-okay otherwise you’d round up the posse and come after me!:-)lol

              • hey Janeen, yeah im here for a little while. Hubby went fishing so I can sit and have fun with you all! lol And ohhhhh I had a KILLER headache all day yesterday!

                Feeling better today!!! ; )) Tony wants the posse to hunt him down. I think he’s forgetting who and WHAT he’s asking for!!!!! WHATCH OUT, TONYYYYYYY!!!!

                • Oh I know you’d really go HARD on me LC!lol I’d be dead or close to it after you were done with me.

            • There is a big part of me that kind of wants the posse to come after me.:-) I think I might just enjoy some abuse by all of you.lol

  37. I hope the dt is checking into the fact that the jury did watch tv, went on the internet, and were influenced by their perception of what they thought the public wanted, perhaps even envisioning themselves in the limelight, giving interviews and receiving kudos for being such great upstanding citizens….

  39. Good morning Team Jodi! ♥

    Rebecca: I am really upset at your post. WHY did you not contact THIS defense team, if you knew Jodi was innocent?

    Coming here now and saying this smells like bullshit.

    • Guten Morgen meine kamerad! We all know too that Renee’ here can smell BS from at least 50 miles away.

      • As opposed to the roommates, who can’t smell a decomposing body when sleeping, cooking and listening to music in a confined space with it.

        • not zach but the other one said the other day somewhere that the house was huge and that is the reason they did not smell the body rotting in the shower hummm

    • Hi (((((((Renee))))))
      It’s sad,isnt it?All these people saying they knew stuff but didnt do anything.
      And Gus Searcy was attacked for trying to speak up and I know there were people even here who didnt believe him.At least,he tried to make himself heard and he stood by Jodi.

      • Can they live with their consciences if Jodi is sentenced to the death penalty? Can they go about their normal daily business knowing that poor girl is locked up 23 hours a day?

        I sure couldn’t.

  40. THE SCAM INDUSTRY; RISKS AND FINANCIAL REWARDS

    the scam industry in the criminal trials field looks very lucrative, but not without a large downside

    obviously channeling the world’s suckers hates and psycho-pathologies s into one’s bank account is a pleasing prospect for some

    i suspect it’s able to be done with just one or two technically savvy creative people

    unethical and immoral of course
    and criminals most likely because such scammers would need very good legal and financial advice to avoid the serious time in the slammer from curious states ag’s, the irs, etc

    most likely they would need to keep their car engines running 24/7

    • ONE VARIETY OF FINANCIAL SCAM, FEEDING ON THE CRIMINAL TRIAL, GOES MAIN
      STREET

      political and religious leaders have exploited the hates and fears of suckers for millennia

      the advent of the gutenberg printing press, and later the public print media expanded the reach of such
      exploitation

      the electronic media of radio and tv, and now the internet, has accelerated that trend

      an advantage, of the internet criminal trial scam is that they do not require a large amount of capital or
      manpower, and can be run from a small base

      large scale financial criminality,as in the us, i suspect will remain the preserve of the financial sector,
      such as wall street, and the investment banks, but the scam revealed here today shows a
      democratizing of financial criminality to main street, which without political cover i suspect will have
      some of the scammers learning about the phrase being “sent up the river”

      of course a side effect of the political, religious and financial exploitation of, and intrusion in to.
      criminal trials is a diminution or even loss of a defendants constitutional rights, such as a right to a fair
      trial, an impartial jury chosen from ones peers, etc

    • I would, but I can’t go back since the redo of the password. 🙂

      • It is there because of the last name did not want that here but she is on the Flores Report

        • no but you can go to the Flores report located above do edit and find Rebecca and there she is cant help with the password only SJ can do that

          • Hail Mary, I can’t access the vent page but went to the Flores Rpt day as you said. There’s a Rebecca there with her last name. Is this what you meant?

  42. Just how many jurors were already snuggling up to the Alexander family way before anyone else started noticing???

    HOW MANY JURORS and ALTERNATE JURORS LIED UNDER OATH THAT DAY???…

    Remember this link…Page 3….Jodi’s mother…

    Sandy Arias informed the Court that she was told information regarding possible
    juror misconduct.

    Each Juror (including the alternate jurors) were brought in individually and questioned…

    http://www.courtminutes.maricopa.gov/docs/Criminal/012013/m5592126.pdf

      • Basically, what it says is that Jodi’s mother, Sandy, reported to the judge in chambers that there was some type of juror misconduct occurring. The judge then spoke individually to each juror.

    • This site makes me feel like there is still some hope for humanity.
      My life was destroyed by domestic violence, although not to the same degree as Jodi.
      I lost my friends, home, sanity, and people still sided with my sociopathic ex, who also happens to be a pedo. This trial is personal to me and it makes me sick. Those jurors knew there was abuse. It is a fact. They had it out for Jodi, just like all the other bat sh!t crazy people, and claim its because she lied.
      Well, guess what? That’s not premeditation. AND, aren’t these same jurors liars by definition when they say they weren’t affected by the news? Ya, right! It’s a total sham.

    • They did, they had already made up there minds. They felt bad for TA family and they did not make there decision on the evidence (there was NO evidence of premed), they found her guilty based on FEELINGS!

      • SAD…BUT TRUE! THIS TRIAL CERTAINLY REVOLVED AROUND EMOTIONS NOT FACTS AND OBJECTIVITY!!! The media, the Alexander family, the interviewed “friends” and roommates of Travis all played to emotions.

  43. Addressed to Britney,

    /* I wish someone would make a gif of Juan’s reaction and put it on tumblr. I would love to re-blog it. Absolutely priceless! */ (May 23, 2013 at 10:58 pm)

    Have you already picked up the – gif file – at the address http://imgur.com/jE2TPls
    for your page at tumblr …

    greetings,

  44. Juror 6 comment…

    1:17 into the video…interviewer asked “you had no idea how many people around the world were watching this trial?”

    1:21 into the video…juror 6 answers “not around the world, no, not at all”

    I just bet she knew everything going on around her….WHAT ABOUT IN YOUR HOME AND COMMUNITY…and what she was saying…just doesn’t ring truth about anything…

    http://www.azcentral.com/community/mesa/articles/20130525jodi-arias-juror-six-speaks-about-trial.html

  45. Just when you thought you can Keep Calm
    and Carry The Fuck On……
    The death penalty soul suckers jurors
    are coming out of the woodwork & acting
    like we predicted!
    They were soooo biased all along towards
    TA’s family from the get go!
    That jury aside from a few decent people
    need a little Jury Misconduct Investigation
    to wake them the fuck up!
    This is not JR. HIGH SCHOOL for fuck sakes!
    They repel me!

    • Yup, Josh! Thank God I have a 4year old that wants to watch SpongeBob all day, I cant stand watching this on TV right now!!!!

  46. My latest blog post has REALLY pissed off the pro-Travis Alexander camp. These are just some of the comments that I have received from them. My comments to their comments will be in parentheses. This ought to tell you what kind of people we’re dealing with here:

    “Some people think because a man or woman wants to be with more than person, they are evil. Not like their was a ring on it! Hodi supporters…(Frank)..hang it up!” (I never said that being with more than one person is evil, but that it is wrong. But why does there have to be a ring on it? Doesn’t commitment count regardless of whether or not you’re married to your 12 wives? ;-))

    “Frank you did not get my goose with that stupid article it just shows how demented you are.. Good luck finding a women that would want the likes of you. Not” (Says the middle-aged woman who doesn’t have a man and is fantasizing about a dead guy.)

    “Hey Frank………..I so hope you will meet a ‘Jodi’ someday………just saying…………..then you will see what a monster she is……..you must not be normal!” (I’m not normal, but normal is boring. I’d like to think of myself as unique. And, you know what? I hope that I will meet someone like Jodi, too. Because I think she’s wonderful and lovely and I would be so lucky to find someone like her. Quote me on that, too.)

    “Poor Frank. What the hell are you going to do? Lol Are you going to plan a prison break?” (Prison break? No. It’s called justice, love. :))

    This one is probably my favorite comment so far:

    “Frank. Nobody is claiming he was an angel. He was a guy much like thousands of young men his age who can a lot of times be stuck up dicks. I have known and dated several. But he was absolutely no monster. And he wasn’t unstable like Jodi. Sure he may have been an asshole. The thing is, they weren’t in some serious relationship anymore so it was Jodi’s responsibility to have some self respect and make the decision to move on to better things if she felt she was misused. She was an adult capable of making these types of decisions on her own. So I am sick and tired of this poor Jodi bullshit because that’s exactly what it is… Bullshit”

    (Okay, first of all, that first sentence is an out-and-out lie. Because they HAVE made Travis out to be an angel and the way that HLN is reporting about him, you would think that he’s going to become canonized soon. Second, once again, we have these pro-Travis women making excuses for his behavior. “He was a guy who was like a bunch of other guys and acted like a dick and an asshole…but he was a decent guy underneath”? It’s all Jodi’s fault once again. They say it was Jodi’s responsibility to have some self-respect and make the decision to move onto better things. Why is it always Jodi’s responsibility? Didn’t the dildo with a heartbeat have anything to be responsible for? I’m sure that he must have learned something about accountability from one of his self-help books.)

    • yeahhhh!!! Frank ^5.. Love it . . and most impressed, they didn’t have any grammar corrections to throw at you lol. I really wish some of their mothers would not have missed a period too

      • What do you expect from people whose favorite TV program is “Duck Dynasty” and think that a thesaurus was a dinosaur? It’s that great edumacation I’m telling ya! 😉

      • I am stealing “wish your mother wouldn’t have missed a period” as my new response to grammar correctors =)

    • Thank you Frank!!! I am so SICK of hearing that TA acted like a “man” SO SICK!!!!! I can’t say iv dated a lot (I haven’t) so I dont know, not 100% sure, but I DONT THINK every man is the same! Especially the way TA was treating Jodi and fantasizing about young girls and boys!!!!

      • LC, you and me both. Any guy that fantasizes about a 12-year old having an orgasm is sick. Either that or Jerry Lee Lewis. (Joke).

      • What really gets me is the fact that so many women are defending Travis’s bad behavior. They keep making excuses for him and other men who behave that way. What’s that about? Have they heard of the word “commitment”? Just because a guy isn’t married doesn’t give him carte blanche to fuck every woman that he wants to. Unless maybe they’re down with the polygamy thing and think that it’s okay for him to have 12 wives or something. LOL I don’t know.

        But the fact that he was fantasizing about a 12-year old is beyond creepy. I really wish that Travis was here so he could face the consequences of his actions. If he ever laid a hand on a child, I would have wanted him to be behind bars and see just how much he likes having anal sex done to him in a rough way.

        I just think that after he died that Travis got his own trial in front of a jury of his peers and if he thought that Mesa was hot, I’m sure that the Rock of Fire down in Hell isn’t any picnic either.

        • I don’t get it either, Frank. Why any woman would defend Travis is beyond me.

    • Poor Frank.I’m so soprry you have to taste their poison.Do not succumb! Be there and stay strong for Jodi’s sake,plz!

      • Maria, thank you for that. Very kind of you, but I can handle it. Trust me, you don’t have to worry about me staying strong for Jodi’s sake. These people are gutless turds and they are like seagulls to me: they do a lot of yapping and all that comes out of them is a bunch of shit. LOL

    • I didn’t know him but I really really really don’t think he was a decent guy underneath.

  47. Hey guys!
    (((((((((((TEAM JODI)))))))))))
    (((((((((((JODI))))))))))))))))
    I haven’t read all of your posts yet. But what I did do was write an email I Christian Mingle. They advertise on HLN and I was thinking most Christians are all anti death penalty. So I wrote them a little email letting them know who they’re in bed w.

  48. I’m not sticking up for TA lovers bc I can’t see where they are coming from at ALL. But these people think of him like they would a son or friend. This is why I don’t bother w the haters. Bc I could meet someone nice and we could talk nicely for 748 days and they will NOT make me turn against Jodi and I think they feel the same way about TA. Of course it’s not going to be talking nicely it’s going to end up in an argument, I was just using that as an example. Bc my Mom sees Jodi as she could be her daughter and I see Jodi as she could be my friend and I think she was driven to do this it was the last straw and she protected herself and I’m just not going to be moved. So I guess that’s why I don’t even go on their sites. It almost hurts my feelings the way they talk about Jodi. So I can’t waste my energy on them I get too sensitive about this.

    • Danielle, yea I feel that way too. Why bother? If they can’t change my mind, why would they charge theirs. I also DONT want to hear all the hate they have, ill be tempted to creat an account just to argue back. I used to get on and make some sense to them but not anymore, for what?! Im not wasting my time, those people are hateful and they’re just looking for reasons to hate, be mean and bully. They can do it with eachother.

  49. Thank you Juan Martinez for being an obnoxious little weasel with the most irritating courtroom demeanor I’ve ever seen!!! If not for you the jury may have formed a death penalty verdict thanks to HLN and all the other biased lying media spectacle they created!!! Great Job Juan!!!

  50. I had to close my facebook down. Jody haters were making friends with my friends. What jerks. That’s ok I didn’t use it much anyway. I will no longer list my last name on here.

  51. I had to take my facebook down. The haters were making friends with my friends. Doesn’t matter I didn’t use facebook much anyway.

  52. This may sound weird bc I don’t know Jodi, but I feel like I do. I don’t want to be creepy LOL. But from her interviews and time on the stand and her artwork.

    Do you guys feel like that?

    • Absolutely.I am of the belief that nothing is a coincidence.We cross paths with people we knew in previous lives and the Universe somehow manages to bring us together again.

      • Okay, thank you! 🙂 I was starting to feel like I was getting too involved. I worry about Jodi!

      • Without a doubt Maria….I was your sister in all our former lives and will continue to be your sister in every life going forward!!! LOL

      • I agree with you maria…

        One day years ago…this lady passed by me on the sidewalk as I was taking my small child into the daycare center…she stopped and turned and asked me who I was…I told her…then she said that she had a feeling come all over her as she passed by me that she had known me all of her life and beyond…and I told her that I had felt a connection too as we passed each other…

        Note: She told me…that day…was the only day…that she had ever brought her child into the daycare…all of the previous times her husband had brought their child in…

        We were spiritually…universally…destined to meet each other in passing that day in that particular spot of the sidewalk at that daycare center…

        And from that day to this day…we remain the very “best” sisterly friends ever…

    • Yes, I feel like that, too. I think that it is that many people relate to her which is why they understand what she is going through. If you look at Travis and his family, they’re all about money. Jodi’s family isn’t like that at all. Travis talks about Jodi being a “whore” and how he disliked whores on MySpace. Well, he obviously didn’t take notice of his family and circle of friends. These people have been doing so much self-promotion of themselves this week and their websites it’s pathetic. They do it because the minions at HLN enable them and allow them to get away with it.

      • All they did in that group of friends was pass each other around. I knew a group of friends like that in high school. Each month they all switched bfs and gfs yet they all remained friends. So weird.

  53. I know people are worrying about the jurors’ safety due to all the lynch mob mentality out there.I am too.
    No juror should feel scared just because they did their duty to the american society.
    But: I personally have no sympathy for them.I am not saying that I condone bullying.Not at all.Team Jodi supporters should nevertheless remember that these are the same people who decided to NOT follow the evidence or LACK of it actually and convict her of premed M1 in the first place.
    If you ask me,I think their not being able to agree on the sentencing phase was not because they(well some of them at least)suddenly felt for Jodi.I think it was their own fear of putting someone to death and the fact it somehow dawned on them that they had to live with that guilt for the rest of their lives.Which in and of itself is contradictory,because if they were convinced ”beyond a reasonable doubt” that she was in fact guilty of that crime then why not go all the way?So,maybe they think they got it wrong?If that’s the case then they chose the easy way out of their own responsibility.They chose to step away and let someone else clean up the mess they made.They failed as the foreman said.But not because they were unable to reach a sentence,imho.They failed because they chose to go deaf during the trial and convict a woman who they shouldnt have.
    Harsh as I may sound Im not backing down.I dont like them,period.I pray that one day they will realize they got it all wrong and that they will regret having fallen for Martinez ‘ antics and the Alexanders’ theatrics.They convicted her based on their emotions and not on evidence.For all I care they can go back to their lives,enjoy their anonymity once again.They should be not harassed but I hope they will all understand that they chose to hear and sympathise with only one side of the story.

    • I agree. They overcharged her w M1 and got stuck w the consequences of their stupid action and didn’t know what to do or how to get out of it.

  54. I took my twitter down too. I will have to get some metered postcards and write to Jodi directly.

    • When you get the postcard make sure you leave about 3 inches across and 1 and a half inches down where the stamp would go bc that’s about as big as the post office meter label is. Or else your writing will be covered. I learned the hard way LOL. But they were so nice at the post office you should have seen them trying to get it on without putting it over writing.

      • Can I buy postcards already with the meter mark on it? I am visually disabled and have a hard time getting to the post office. If figured I would buy a bunch at one time.

        • They didn’t let me pre meter post cards they only metered they after I wrote on them. I’m from PA I don’t know if it’s different in other places. You could call your post office first and see what they will let you do.

              • Yesterday I asked at the US post office here about metered postcards, and they sold me postcards with the permanent stamp on them–the “Forever” stamps that are actually part of the post card. Will these get to Jodi? I made the mistake of sending her some beautiful postcards of New Mexico (where I live) with an actual stamp on them–I guess they will never get to Jodi.

                • Can anyone tell me if these postcards with the stamp imprinted on them will be accepted at the jail and given to Jodi? Thanks for any info on this!

              • Yes, I saw postcards on Zazzle. I think she would like seeing beautiful pictures is there a size limit I need to know about.

    • I have a twitter but I am the most annoying twitter person ever. I only follow funny things and comedians and Jodi and my best friend and my cousin are the only people that follow me and I retweet every joke I find funny. Sometimes I stop retweeting bc I am annoying myself.

    • Sherry, I totally understand how you feel, but I really wish that you would reconsider and fight back against these bullies. Please don’t let them intimidate you or dictate how you run your life. We’ve got to stand up to these people because what they’re doing is wrong and we’ve got the law on our side.

      • But I was afraid these morons would hurt my friends and family. I am very protective of people I love. I need to stop using my last name on here too but if I just write Sherry it says my message is waiting for moderation. What do you think, Frank?

        • Change your name, I did when someone else was using it, and it will await, but the wait isn’t long and I wouldn’t use your first name either. Maybe a nickname.

  55. I hope the IRS investigates the Hughes’ and TA’s sisters. They are profiting BIG time and I hope they are exposed for money laundering. Each eye roll, each smirk and each tear was worth the money…you got paid for your performance SCUMBAGS! SHAME ON YOUR EVIL SOULS!

  56. Something very telling is how Dr. Drew wants to have alternate juror #17 on – but not real juror #18.

    • Dr. Drew is no doctor of the mind at all. How he takes lying Tot Doc at her word on supposed BPD and repeated tries to analyze Jodi makes me physically ill. I have written to HLN’s sister site CNN and told them I cannot any longer watch either channel and will get my news elsewhere due to the sheer volume of lies and mockery they allowed HLN to play the trial in the court of their skewed paid talking heads, faux juries and fake reenactments.

      I particularly told them that Vinnie Politan, Joey Jackson, Dr Drew Nancy and JVM are hate mongers to the highest degree and that CNN condones this stupidity which makes them as low as their little sister site. Boycott CNN as they allow the circus on HLN to perform their lying skits and bullshit while an unsequestered jury was to decide the fate in a very important capital murder case. The hate HLN has stirred up on its show and on its twitter and facebook as well is no more than an internet lynch mob. I sent them the links to occupy hln and told them don’t be surprised when their (CNN) allready dismal ratings fall even lower. The lying sickos like their smut rag full of lies HLN better.

      As far as Juror 17 she has nothing of substance to add. She was not in the deliberations and obviously made friends with creeps on the TA side long ago. Just like Dr. Drew who is supposed to care about addiction and recovery was praising the drunkard Juror 8 who got himself a DUI during a capital murder case he will praise this dimwit who was and is a non entity as she cast no verdict or vote–thank God.

      • I, too, have written to HLN, complaining about the unfair trial coverage and after trial coverage.
        However, unless they get lots and lots of complaints, they will continue to do this with every trial.

        Now they are gearing up for the Geo. zimmerman trial. Are we again going to see intimidated
        witnesses, wall to wall coverages by biased pundits etc. ?HLN has made a cottage industry
        out of other people s suffering and they are making lots of money.

    • One of the words that I am tired of hearing is that Jodi was “manipulative.” I doubt many people who use this constantly are aware that we are all manipulative at times, particularly when we want or need something. It is not always mail adaptive. I think it could be said that Mr. Alexander was manipulative.

      • I was thinking the same thing about the overuse of the word manipulative. It is a word that I can’t imagine myself using to describe anyone – if I was asked to describe someone’s demeanor. It is definitely a word that has crept into the vocabularies of these folks through media, JM, etc.

  57. Jason Webber’s site has confirmed my opinion that these SCAMMERS’ motive and intention is to keep the ‘HATE MACHINE’ running so that the profits keep rolling in. HLN and it’s affiliates have been doing the same thing.
    They ALL smelled the blood so they came in to feed.
    Sickening, period. Who can say Jodi Arias didn’t get railroaded? Nobody period.
    Pisses me off.

  58. Need a legal eagle here about ethics, specifically ethics in the prosecutor’s office.

    It has been tweeted by CH that he gave JM a present (a bobblehead of himself); court watchers have given JM ties (also gave tie to Flores), personalized M&Ms with sayings like “Its your fog”, “justice for TA”, etc.

    What is the rule on acceptance of these gratuities? Also, it seems that the gifts were received in the courtroom (probably when jurors were not present) – does that make a difference?

    • I’m not really sure about the ethics of accepting gifts. I know that Jeff Asthon got a bunch of fruit baskets when Jose Baez kicked his ass in Casey’s trial. The haters were bombarding his office with shit.

  59. So the TA family and HLN don’t want to stop the money train. Obviously.

    they’ll keep pitching fame and fortune to those who want to speak out. To keep this production going.

    You all know they have a lot of incentive to do this.

    So. Once the dumb jurors start speaking out and revealing their misconduct, like having their hate on display and admitting their real opinions from day one, revealing their awareness of the media circus and hate fest – the easier juror misconduct and mistrial appeals will be.

    Keep talking jurors. Keep talking.

  60. I have to admit along the lines of protecting yourself I was nervous about putting my return address on the postcards I wrote to Jodi bc there was so much hate. But then I thought if someone was that mad that they were going to actually take the time out of their life to come and get me bc I wrote to Jodi so be it. But, they were going to find something a little unexpected. One crazy bitch and her crazy assed family. I mean if he got in I’d have to drag him into the kitchen to kick his ass bc I’d get into trouble for getting blood onto the carpet.

    • The fact that the jurors do not have the sense, the ability, the judgement, or the impulse control to shut their mouths is beyond comprehension. I have no faith in the jury system. Never have and never will.

      • Interesting point Rebecca.
        I think it was Judith who mentioned that in Germany they have a judge who considers the evidence, and I am pretty sure in countries like Italy and Norway, they have a panel of Judges. I’m not too convinced that the Judge route is the right way to go especially, if you get someone like Pickles who was and still is so biased for the prosecution.
        It might not be the issue of juries per se -although this jury seems hell bent on admitting that they decided on guilt at the outset, regardless of the evidence- but the lack of a subjudice rule, which allows for the relentless, uncontrolled media coverage. Another problem is the overwhelming advantage the system gives the prosecution. But with Juries specifically, I think the British system that prevents the naming of jurors and maintaining secrecy of the jury room works much better, especially when you see the scenes played out since the verdict .

        • Oscar—-I agree with everything you said. Judges probably are not the way to go, but maybe jurors need a weeklong course prior to serving.

      • Well the million dollar question is would you rather take your chances with a jury or Pickles?

        • I will take your million dollar question and take the chances with a new jury…. Pickles wants the DP, and she would give her life without parole.

      • Rebecca,
        Thanks for sharing what you witnessed firsthand about the relationship between Jodi Arias and Travis Alexander. It is yet another tidbit of information that reinforces the fact and theory that Travis Alexander emotionally and mentally abused Jodi Arias.
        So you witnessed him humiliate her by pretending not to be with her. And you witnessed him humiliate and emotionally abuse her by calling her a ‘whore’ and a ‘cunt’. And later you witnessed him psycologically abusing her by saying to her,” isn’t she so beautiful?” while in the presence of other people. He really knew how to make Jodi feel good didn’t he. How fake.
        You need to stick around. Maybe there’s a way to get your testimony in the appeals.

    • Danielle,

      And if you could drag them right on through the kitchen out to the backyard, that would be even better 😆

      Have no fear – none of them care about TA … they all just care about themselves.

      I never seen so much “dry crying” in my life as I did out TA family & friends {sic} in that AZ courtroom.

      You’re more likely to win the Lotto then have a friend of TA hunt you down.

      Why don’t we see TA lifelong friends? .. all was see are the family & friends (CASH) that are trying to scam money by tweaking peoples emotions with their obviously false slander.

  61. Okay …

    After reading the Occupy HLN – CASHing in article – my mind wondered around awhile.

    I have never made the leap that Jodi premeditated to murder Saint Travis. And now looking at the TWEAKER’S CASHing in on Saint Travis death … along with the BALD JEW … I think these useless sicko’s would of killed Jesus H. Christ for money.

    Word of advice to the Mormon Cult – “STAY OFF THE PORCH!”

      • Just guessing – “Bald Jew” was what TRAVIS called Abe. There’s no evidence at all that there was any friendship between Abe and Travis, so it’s quite suspect, IMO, that Abe hopped on the gravy train with CASH and the Alexander family.

      • Did you read the article?

        When I was typing I couldn’t remember his name – just what TA called him – the BALD JEW.

        I have Jewish friends & they are all nice God fearing Christians.

        I now see his name is Abe – Have you seen this idiot on TV ? I don’t care what religion he is, still an idiot.

        • Willie…LOL 😆 “I have Jewish friends & they are all nice God fearing Christians.” Thanks for the laugh, I needed that today 😉

        • ABE is a fk-ing idiot…. and just pissed off that he didn’t get a shot with Jodi… He’s vile, and disguisting…… like the rest of the CLAN……. CULT MORMOMS…….. Why the HELL did she get so trapped in their web…..IF only some nice guy would of swept her off her feet before she got involved in the mormom cult and PPL…. we all wouldn’t be here today.

    • Occupy HLN needs as much support as we can give them. I have liked them on my facebook page and will begin to post on their website as well because they too are getting attacked. The articles/ info blogs are well thought out and well worded. This Jason guy writing for it has a reasonable way of looking at things and uncovers the scam with clarity.

  62. I cannot believe the Jury Foreman is getting death threats. That is horrible. What is wrong with these old bats? They beg for jodi to get the death penalty because they claim she killed someone , but want to kill someone over nothing. This is just like the witch hunts they used to have in the uncivilized world. Unbelievable.

    • the maggots are no better than arian supremists . . they terrorize anyone that doesn’t do things their way.

      • I seriously worry about people like this. I think someone needs to trace these people down and throw them in jail. Last I checked death threats are illegal.

    • lilly,

      Speaking of with hunts. Joseph Smith Jr the founder of the Mormon church ( who was killed by an angry mob while awaiting trial in IL for polygamy) family goes all the way back to the witch trials of the 1600s.

      http://www.conchisle.com/moroni.htm

      “Many Mormons do not know about Joe Smith’s family involvement in the Salem witch trials of 1692, when Joe Smith Sr.’s great-grandfather Samuel Smith and Samuel’s father-in-law John Gould testified against Mary Easty and Sarah Wilds respectively. The testimony of these relatives of Joe Smith hanged these girls as witches. A belief in witchcraft was passed through the Smith generations. Even Orlando Saunders, whom Mormon apologists consider to be one of the most favorable witnesses to Joe Smith’s character, said in an interview that both Joe Smith Sr. and Jr. believed in witchcraft ……………………”

      • WOW. I did not know that. Everyday, I connect more dots. Did you notice the upside down pentagrams on mormon temples? In one of my books, I read about ‘black magicians’ using ‘white magic’ symbols such as the pentagram which is not an evil symbol when it’s upright. It symbolizes the 5 senses of man, the 5 appendages of our bodies, and the 5 elements of the earth. Not evil at all, and that’s why satanists must turn it upside down to pervert the symbol so they are able to use it in their dark practices. I bet most mormon’s do not even know this. I think we need to do as much as possible to expose this somewhat science fiction like religion. It’s interesting to read about kolob, and the ideas that men will have their own planets to populate and stuff, and I’m not going to dismiss these ideas immediately as they are quite entertaining.

    • Thanks for the link. As more information comes out like this I’m beginning to think Jodi’s defense team dropped some balls.

      Grandpas gun had hollow point bullets but the bullet in the bath was full jacket? That is huge.

      Also the character witnesses that Brewer knew ignored.

      And now the Mormon Rebecca claiming other saw his abuse.

      This is not good folks.

      • I read AA’s thoughtful post about the lapses in the defense’s presentation. I think she nailed it on the head.

        As I have often said on these pages, the defense’s actions in this case are extremely mystifying. I last said this yesterday. Along with the points that AA brought up and Jeff’s point about the hollow points in Grandpa’s gun there are several other such issues.

        1.Yesterday I talked about the mysterious shoe print that no one questioned.
        2. No one seems to have ever questioned Flores about the incongruities and inconsistencies in his report.
        3. Why didn’t the defense put on a ballistics expert to testify about the capabilities of a 25 caliber weapon.
        4. Why did the defense not talk about other reports that dealt with the issues of incapcitance, or lack thereof, by gunshot wounds to the head from small caliber weapons. After Geffner’s testimony, they casually asked Horn if he had heard of such reports. Why didn’t they present him with the reports, even after JM putting that yahoo on the stand 3 times.
        5. Why did they not put on a forensic expert and try and reconstruct some sort of sequence of events from the available evidence?
        6. And what’s with the memory cards for the camera?

        And there are numerous other such instances.

        The defense had to be aware of the fact that this trial would gain wide publicity, and if they needed a win they had to have every i dotted and every t crossed. Was it that they felt there was absolutely no chance of getting a suitable verdict, and so put up a proforma defense and wait for the appeals?

        Or is it that Nurmi had absolutely no interest in the case, didn’t believe in his client, didn’t like his client, has to live in the community and so didn’t give a hoot – and so put on the bare minimum case he had to so that the judge wouldn’t get mad at him, and possibly cite him?

        Or is it that they thought they had enough to win and were sadly mistaken?

        Or is it in fact a case where the defense team was just plain and simple incompetent and we are all trying to find reasons and grand designs, where none exist and the simple fact of the matter is that Jodi was represented by less than competent attorneys?

        This had nothing to do with money. The AZ supreme court has previously reversed M1 verdicts where the defense didn’t get funds they asked for based on the defendants right to an adequate defense.

        Personally I have always believed and will continue to believe that this defense team, for all of JW’s charm and Nurmi affability, is just not up to par.

        • Al,
          You bring up all the questions that have been running through my mind throughout this trial and I agree with your comment in toto.
          There is ONE thing which you may or may not have taken into consideration and that is JODI being the client of the defense team. Perhaps she went along with the defense team’s recommendations to a point but drew the line at certain things. Nurmi DID state, “9 days out of 19, I don’t like Jodi” which may have been an indication that Jodi was difficult to represent. (?)

          • Dorothy, the problem with that idea (and it’s one the general public has jumped on) is that most of the issues Al talked about above (2-5) would have been sound strategies in proving self-defense and agreed with Jodi’s testimony. Jodi also said Nurmi was the boss, not her. And it’s really a rare client who criticizes their attorney’s strategy to begin with. (I had to constantly teach one of mine during my divorce — but then, you can see how opinionated I am and I did go to law school.) Jodi wouldn’t have stopped the defense from putting on a medical expert to counter Horn. Her testimony was that she shot him first.

            And that’s not to mention that a good lawyer can always persuade a client to go along with his/her strategy — most especially when it comes to technical issues, which those points are.

        • Al, I can answer about 1 and 2. Once they went with self-defense, there was no point confusing the issue with the footprint or other issues from Gloria’s report. In fact, that would have been considered inappropriate lines of questioning.

          That still begs the question as to why, with the glaring big old footprint in the still-wet-blood, they ever thought they had a better chance WITH self-defense, but that’s the beside the point.

          3-5 are incredibly valid questions and I’d really like an answer.

          6 is a bit more iffy when it comes to the self-defense strategy they went with. It really wasn’t relevant given that there was no argument about the photos because they proved Jodi was there.

        • Al, one other thing, Maricopa County PD’s office may well have been stingy about funds. But the defense had decisions to make about budge. Keeping Samuels and ALV on the stand as long as they did was a huge flaw and cost several thousand dollars more than they needed to spend.

          Also think about Geffner vs. Samuels. Which one would you have put on the stand? There may have been some issue regarding Geffner’s availability, but he’s also not the only expert out there of his caliber. There are others who specialize in domestic violence. (And that doesn’t even address the length of time Jodi herself was on the stand which was completely unnecessary.)

          I think the big problem with these lawyers was that they didn’t know how to face off with someone someone like Martinez. There were so many times they sat down right before drilling an important point home. Martinez drove every point home. I pointed out a few of those examples on the blog Brad linked to. They were also scattered much of the time. They were typical of rookies who come to trial with Plan A, but they haven’t figured out a Plan B, if that doesn’t work. This became very evident for example when JW was questioning Alyce and where she wanted to go got thrown out. She fiddled with papers desperately trying to come up with Plan B. Why wasn’t she already prepared?

          • I agree, and I posted to that effect earlier but was roundly criticized. It’s called budget management and we all do it every day in business and our home lives. (except the US Government, that can’t seem to get a handle on it)

            • I must have missed that post, sorry Al.

              Yeah, really, budget. And IMEs are a dime a dozen and willing to work for lawyers for a reasonable amount on a case like this, especially. But they couldn’t find one? Any Forensic Anatomical Medical Examiner would have done the job just fine.

              But I honestly think they missed that line about the intact dura mater until a juror brought it up. Don’t you?

                • Oh good Al, I’m not the only one who thinks that. I’ve seen other people say JW was trying to save it for closing arguments.

                  That’s a fucking travesty if they missed that even though they put Dr. Geffner on to essentially rebut Horn-dog, isn’t it?

        • I agree with you they agree with you that is why they told the judge we cant defend her we want to go now.

          • Hail Mary,

            The ones I saw or heard were due to:

            1. Nurmi having left the PD’s office and wanting to start his own practice.
            2. Due to impact of prosecutorial misconduct.

            I may have missed others.

            But, you know if a lawyer doesn’t want to be on a case, forcing him to stay on is neither fair to the lawyer, nor to the defendant.

            • Hail Mary and Al, check out my post at the bottom about PDs and the political complications for Bill Montgomery of this trial. It might help explain some of this.

      • Yes, the bullet issue is HUGE. If you want to kill someone, you would use hollow point bullets before full jackets, especially with such a weak caliber gun. Why didn’t Jodi keep a receipt for the purchase of those new bullets since she kept receipts for everything else? Where’s the gun store clerk who recalls the gorgeous blonde who came in to buy them? (Well, that’s ridiculous because we KNOW she was no longer a blonde based on the police report of the burglary.)

        I’ve often kept to myself much of my disgust about areas where the defense dropped the ball here. Whenever I brought up an issue I noticed here, I was jumped on and people were upset. Everyone here loved them. I have been more open about my feelings over there, especially since there are several lawyers there.

    • Thanks Brad. On other posts over there, I’ve systematically gone through all the possibilities that existed that someone else killed Travis. The wonderful lawyer who runs the blog, JMRJ, has been astounded. Even a couple of people over there who were convinced the verdict was the right verdict have begun to shake their heads. There are some really great discussions we’ve been having over there. It really makes you wonder why the defense didn’t do what Jose Baez did in Casey’s trial and give the jury other options. At some point, the defense and Samuels convinced Jodi to change her plea to self defense — probably so that the lesser included offences could be included in jury instructions to give the jury other options but it backfired. Would they have won on a “whodunnit” defense? I don’t know. It would have been a long shot too but given the juror’s statements that they didn’t think Jodi *could* be the defendant, perhaps it would have been the better option.

      • Also Abused, I think Jodi was convinced to go the self defense route. possibly because she refused to name names. I see from reading about Nurmi’s practice that he specializes in domestic abuse. Perhaps that is where he felt most comfortable, not quite out of his realm? I think the “whodunit” is the REAL story except I think Jodi KNOWS who was there but would not divulge that information. Add the footprint and what Jodi said in the Dateline video…her story of two intruders sounds more likely than little Jodi defending herself, dragging Travis’ big body and getting it into the shower. The rug print or whatever that was that was in the hallway where there was no blood except for the edges is clearly visible but it looks like there were no drag marks. It looks like whatever was there was lifted directly up, as if TA’s body was on it and that was the method used to transport the body. This would have required at least two people. Then there is the clean-up (if that’s what ya want to call it) which would have taken considerable time for ONE person, but with a few people it would have taken less time. Bring into consideration the time the roommate returned from work that evening and how the gate was on the stairs, no blood on the carpet/floor or elsewhere in the house except on the washing machine. Being THAT careful, alone, would have taken considerable planning and time. There is a time line of the approximate time TA was killed and the roommate returning from work and Jodi’s phone call to Ryan Burns from near SLC (or was it Las Vegas, I have a geography issue…). One person, and a small female at that, could NOT have done this alone.
        I do not understand WHY the defense chose to go down the self defense route with Jodi acting alone. Perhaps JODI didn’t want to involve anyone else and wanted to be the martyr and the only way the defense could work that scenario out is to work with what they had.

        • Dorothy, sorry, but I respectfully disagree. First of all, Nurmi’s practice specializes in sex offenders. But he hasn’t been in private practice for very long at all. When he convinced Jodi to change her plea, he was still working at the PD’s office.

          If they had gone with self-defense, they would NEVER have needed to put Jodi on the stand. Jose Baez got away with not putting Casey Anthony on the stand. And he used her prior lies to the police really well without putting her on the stand.

          I agree with everything you said. By the way, her call to Ryan was from Kingman, AZ. She also called Travis from there. The calls began at 10:30 p.m. Kingman is 3.5 hours from Mesa. So, she had to have left Travis’s house by 7 p.m. Travis was still alive at 5:30 p.m.

          Jodi did NOT have to involve anyone else in order for them to go with a third-party defense. But the fact of the matter is that lesser included offenses (second degree murder, manslaughter) would NOT have been in the jury instructions in a third-party defense. Nurmi was making decisions to save his client’s life and freaking. He was NOT the most experienced lawyer just because he worked for the PD’s office and had tried many cases. PDs plea more than 90% of their cases. I’m sure he assumed his plea offer for second degree would be bought by Martinez and swallowed whole by the Alexanders so as not to tarnish their brother’s name. It was an extreme shock to him when that didn’t work. And he thought he had the letters, but they didn’t get in, despite what his expert said.

  64. Go back to the Flores Report and see what Ryan Burns said on page 20 where all the friends in Utah were talking and take it from there intruders and bullet all before Flores said anything about the evidence. How the hell did they come up with that now that you see all the ones making this profit now. sure shed light on this story….. who did Jodi met in Utah Dave Hall was there who else besides Ryan Burns at the restaurant…..

    • Hail Mary,
      I just went back and read that Ryan Burns part about the friends discussing the gun, etc! with Flores. Seems to me that Mr. Burns knew a bit too much about that crime for THAT stage of the investigation. Seems like there was something VERY fishy going on…the grapevine certainly was up on the facts… sounds like people were in cahoots with one another…getting their story straight…

      • Thanks Jodi goes to Utah they say she invited herself but I think they set her up to be there on the 4th were she would go 4 wheeling with Dave Hall the gun guy and kill her then the murder of Travis would be Jodi did it. and She can not be found but they would have made it look like she committed suicide and end of story. Killers go free. But Jodi pulled a fast one and showed up at Travis was witness to the murder. I still want to know about he message on May 28 were Travis is yelling about something. What I think Jodi was trying to move on from Travis with Ryan by the way Hughes brother set that up ???? and Jodi was still worried about Travis getting help for the pedio shit and may have told the Hughes out of spit for Sky being so mean to her and throwing her out of the house. This could be the rant ALV was trying to bring up but couldn’t Travis was killed with Rage and Hate who would do that I say someone with a child that was Molested. I can see Dave Hall the hunter that kill and guts Bears could do it if the Hughes asked him to knowing that Travis Molested someone. Why else do they cover-up Travis past and say hes a good boy. and now they are racking in the money off his death Occupy HLN told us they caught on to the lady’s that were doing that in Australia .. Now Let us find out when the Cash campaign began with the Hughes. I was convent for him to be out of town when Flores was doing his investigation his was done over the phone in Cancun and no record that his finger prints or DNA was taken I have a problem that the DNA is only of Travis and Jodi yet roommate said he was in his bathroom and lots of others were in his home so they we are still figuring out what happened yes he abused her but Jodi did not see it that way she only loved him and when your in that state of mind I can not see her doing this to him that is a male thing like gutting a pig like JM said something Dave Hall could do and the others that kill animals. Travis was just another animal to them if he was such a good friend why say in Cancun and live it up and have fun when a friend has just been killed at least Jodi went to the see him and send flowers why because she was looking for the intruders hoping to here there voice and remember but guess what the Hughes were not there and they were all gone well I’m just venting will stop now

        • Hail Mary, You have something there with the luring Jodi to Utah to kill her, make it look like a suicide and pin the murder on her. After all, there was a running theme that “JODI MUST be the one who killed TA” The murder must have been planned for a considerable length of time in order to spread the “Jodi is stalking TA” rumors and to get everyone on the same page. That hateful “John Doe” email, the slashed tires…THAT stuff wasn’t Jodi IMO… AND I agree that TA’s murder was a vengeful HATE Mormon crime. Someone WANTED him dead and Jodi being there when they arrived to carry it out foiled their entire plan. I think whoever the “intruders” were REALLY did force Jodi to be involved by making her shoot TA (like she said happened on the Dateline interview.) so SHE would be an accomplice to the crime and therefore not rat on them.
          I just wish the defense stayed with Jodi’s original story instead of going the self defense route with Jodi acting alone in this. There is NO way this crime was committed by only one small female. NO WAY.

          • I could never really get past that fact: Jodi is a slender female, and Travis was an MMA fighter. Just yesterday, I was play fighting with my boyfriend. I’m fairly strong for a female, and have taken martial arts lessons, so he doesn’t taken it too easy on me like I’m a delicate flower. BUT, he and most men have these HUGE forearms. Twice as big as mine. I can never win because my wrists get hopelessly trapped in his crushing grip. Prosecution says she shot Travis last, so that means, she would’ve had to beat him in a knife fight. Impossible. I cannot imagine that any woman could ever do this unless the guy was sleeping or had been drugged OR, and it’s highly unlikely, she has specifically trained for this type of combat. No possible way even if he was naked and slipping on the floor. He could grip her wrist with knife in hand, and slam her to the floor and then proceed to beat the living day lights outta her, or kill her. My boyfriend can hold both my wrists with one hand. I know if he wanted to he could kill me with one punch, and he is just average, no MMA fighter. All the adrenaline in the world couldn’t help me. Everyone who ignorantly believes she is even physically capable of this argues that Jodi Arias has hulk like strength. They are more likely to believe in fantasy instead of that someone else killed Travis Alexander. Someone involved in a covered up plot with people in high places to make sure the blame goes to someone else. Also, if my friend even just passed away from a heart attack or something, I would NOT be so heartless to continue my vacation. I wonder if that was intentionally set up too……..so they’d be out of the country in case anything did go wrong and they became suspects.

            • You’d be amazed how strong people are when they are full of adrenaline.

              In absence of any evidence to the contrary, I don’t think anybody other than Jodi Arias was involved in the killing.

              Now covering up for Travis’s problems and the hate campaign, that’s a completely different story altogether.

  65. Are there 2 different Rebecca’s posting today, the one that’s 64 years old and the one that was in the Palm Desert singles ward????

    • Good work finding that there are 2 different Rebecca’s or one telling story’s or lies

    • Yes there have to be two of us. I am the 64 year old not the Singles club one. I can change my name to Rebecca 64 and will start doing so next post.

  66. My experiences with photographing CopperHead snakes in the wild, at close range is less dangerous than posting my personal PRO Jodie Arieas, views on Twitter, Facebook or Utube………….all of which I have accounts with.
    Having watched this trial from the beginning, and also having some of Jodie’s personality disorders, though I would never have gone for a loser creep like Travis, or have accepted abuse, probably because I’m self made and on my own since 16. I fight back.
    For some reason my posts here do not show, am I still being moderated?

  67. Twitter This may explain the juries decision for m1

    UberFacts‏@UberFacts
    Smarter people tend to be more open-minded and accepting of others.

  68. I saw the interview of three jurors on GMA and one lady said, “Jodi played us.” I’d like to know how? And also juror whatever number you were don’t you think the state played you? The state lied more than Jodi!!!!

    Jodi was fighting for her life and the state was fighting for politics! So you are ready to sentence someone to death because, “the state proved its case.”? How about considering mitigating circumstances because last time I checked you already held her accountable in the guilt phase of the trial!!!!

    Also, Jodi suffers from emotional problems and she talks with a flat affect because that’s the only way she could get through her testimony (which btw was emotional) and her allocution!!

    Her “lack of remorse or emotion” is because of her trauma! If she cries she fakes it and if she speaks flatly she’s remorseless. And you held jodi accountable what about the state? They lied to your faces over and over I’m just speechless with the stupidity!

    • PRETEXTS USED TO CONVICT JODI AND TO ATTEMPT TO IMPOSE THE DEATH PENALTY

      http://classiclit.about.com/library/bl-etexts/aesop/bl-aesop-wolflamb.htm

      Aesop’s Fables
      by Aesop
      translated by G.F. Townsend

      The Wolf and the Lamb

      WOLF, meeting with a Lamb astray from the fold, resolved not to lay violent hands on him, but to find some plea to justify to the Lamb the Wolf’s right to eat him. He thus addressed him: “Sirrah, last year you grossly insulted me.” “Indeed,” bleated the Lamb in a mournful tone of voice, “I was not then born.” Then said the Wolf, “You feed in my pasture.” “No, good sir,” replied the Lamb, “I have not yet tasted grass.” Again said the Wolf, “You drink of my well.” “No,” exclaimed the Lamb, “I never yet drank water, for as yet my mother’s milk is both food and drink to me.” Upon which the Wolf seized him and ate him up, saying, “Well! I won’t remain supperless, even though you refute every one of my imputations.”

      The tyrant will always find a pretext for his tyranny.

    • Jodi also is very reserved and has a flat affect because, as we all saw during the trial, her mother has the very same demeanor. So a big part of her “way” is inherited !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Ok, I understand our frustration with Rebeca’s post about how Travis was abusive to Jodi in the past and how she witness that, however, as we saw the jurors interview, from the beginning they were bias toward TA’s family. They said that just by looking at the photos and all the evidence that they knew the crime was premeditated because the state proof it’s point. How about looking at everything, including everyone’s testimony, no, because their mind was set. So, I don’t think that Rebeca’s testimony, or even half of the Mormon church testimony that she was abused by him was going to make any difference. I don’t know, but in my opinion, I believe that racial discrimination played a role on this trial. Jodi has a Mexican father, so she is Mexican descendant, Travis was a white male and member of a Mormon church. Now, lets look at the jurors. Not to difficult to understand, uh?

  69. I strongly suggest everyone here educate themselves on the mormon faith and the LDS church. NOT the public ‘pollyanna’ view, but the more secretive doctrines and practices revealed by those who have done extensive research and those who have left and EXPOSED the church. Do not become hateful of all mormons, but just EDUCATE yourself. This crime and trial will be 100 times more clear when you learn about this religion and wealthy community. I’ve come to the conclusion that the publicity of this trial was meant to PROGRAM the American people to ELECT A MORMON PRESIDENT. We came so very close. Educate yourself, and hopefully more people will break free from the mind control program and realize what is really going on. Don’t be naive. Just please remember history especially within the last 100 years. I’m not a conspiracy theorist. I pay attention to the undercurrents of society and seek the truth.

    • Marie
      i agree echo some of what you wrote

      i would disagree with one point, “This crime and trial ”

      my stance is that there was no crime, jodi justifiably defended her life by killing her attacker, which negates all charges ie no crimes

      on your call for people to educate themselves about mormon

      i’ve seen a couple of sites claiming to be from ex mormons
      i haven’t examined them
      uninterested in such
      maybe anyone interested could look at them, assess them ,and report back ?

      http://www.mormoncurtain.com/

      http://exmormon.org/

      • Wes, I agree with your disagreement. 🙂 I just didn’t use the right words to describe my thoughts. I have some major doubts that Jodi even did it. When I say crime, I’m thinking about someone else totally. I don’t think she was physically capable.

        • Marie
          it was common for many of the witnesses to refer to a CRIME, when the truth is that an allegation of a crime, or being charged with a crime, does not prove a crime has been committed
          samuels did that when he inadvertently referred to a “crime scene”

          the prosecution tried to suggest jodi was an unprovoked attacker

          pure speculation, which the biased incompetent law and order, police judge allowed into evidence, and closings ,and which i suspect most of the law and order jury immediately gobbled up to come down with the guilty verdicts

          i suspect the unwillingness for 4 of the 12 to later go along with imposing the death penalty revealed that the 4 had previously been improperly pressured, ie bullied, by some or all of the other 8 to convict on m1, but in the penalty phase, those 4 stood their ground, regretted their earlier weakness, and now no longer were going to be bullied into imposing the death penalty

          that’s my suspicion
          because if the culpability and aggravation phase were the same, one might expect the imposition of the penalty to align ?

          probably the aggravation phase hardened the 4’s resistance to the bullies within the jury

    • Amen Marie! ” I pay attention to the undercurrents of society and seek the truth” Exactly how I feel. I am feeling pretty hopeless concerning the American mind set in general.
      I keep thinking, on this memorial day weekend, of all the people who fought for our freedom and rights and can’t help but think that integrity is lost now.
      I feel so badly for Jodi caught up in the machine, just one of the disposable people used for politics, ambition and greed. A scapegoat flung at the masses to keep them busy so they don’t see what is really going on around them.

  70. I haven’t posted for awhile, but read everyday, several times a day. I have been getting so mad about everything, that couldn’t even put it in words. I decided not to look at that Facebook page, State VS……., but I finished doing yard work, and for some reason thought I could handle reading over there, wrong like usual. There is an open letter from the son of the jury foreman, a very interesting and well thought out letter. There are a couple of people who made comments that have more than one brain cell working, but the rest of the comments OMG We really live in a sick and disturbed society and a dangerous one, going after the son and dad with all cylinders, and suggesting the naked pics of Jodi influenced him. Seriously, he is 64 years old, I’m sure he has seen enough female nudity WTF. And of course the first article on that page is about donating money. Go back to work and earn your own damn money, with all the trials I’ve watched I never felt this way towards the victim’s family, I won’t even look at them when the camera is on them and when I’d get a glimpse I would start yelling and screaming at them, making money off of a dead family member does not sit well with me and never will. Everyone have a nice Memorial weekend.

  71. I just saw the juror 6 interview on AZ central and what stuck most in my mind is that she thought Jodi was a sad girl, yet she believed she was “manipulative” which in my mind translates to her not believing jodi at all. I think she never gave her testimony an opportunity. She believed jodi was manipulative plain and simple. I guess Juan Martinez did a “great job” convicting Jodi arias based on manipulation. I yet have to hear from any juror how they came to M1. But besides that I thought jodi was on trial for murder not manipulation. And if manipulation was the charge she wasn’t very effective. Her testimony was very flat which could have been full of tears to manipulate the jury but she didn’t. Her allocution could have been full of tears and “begging to spare her life” but she didn’t. That is manipulation 101. She didnt cry and that to me shows she’s got emotional problems and trauma. She could’ve spoken about more abuse she suffered and she didn’t. These people are high.

    • I have seen some of the interviews and I cannot get over how upset juror #6 was for not being able to give Jodi a death sentence. She talked about praying to God, well what God is that? And she goes on to say that “felt she needed to be held accountable”. Well they convicted her didn’t they? So Jodi has been held accountable. Of course she was the one who said sorry to the Alexanders’. And then the other woman said they “failed the system”. Not the person, not humanity, not decency, but “the system”. Un fucking believable!
      I guess these death sentence enthusiasts are determined to do all they can now, to pressure any new DP jury to complete the task that they failed. After all, to them it is the “system” that what matters.
      And this “system” is rotten.

      • wouldn’t they have more fun if they all got on a plane and did the provo push for a youtube? It’s not a sin to them so slam it out there.

  72. How was she manipulative during her testimony??? She admitted to her pre trial lies. She admitted to things that would mortifying most people to have known!! They even got to ask her more questions if they felt she was trying to weasel her way out of answering them!! Her mind was already made up….if it wasn’t her argument for conviction would be more than the argument “yo sammity Sam” put forth!! Plus if you think a person is manipulative why would you feel sorry for them?? Why are reporters afraid to ask real fucking questions!!

    • Exactly “why would you feel sorry for them?” If they’re manipulative!?!??! She said she felt sorry for her and her tone wasn’t sarcastic, vengeful. She really feels sorry for Jodi. And you are right she admitted to the lies, admitted to a bunch of embarrassing mortifying things!!! Where was the manipulation except from Martinez!

    • they’re just wearing out a word . . this trial went further than anticipated so it lost it’s concept for the most part. Now during interviews that’s all they have and everyone of them that gets interviewed will use manipulation as their platform. It’s a stunt and we’re jerking out the trapeze from under them. oops

    • Yes, cb, they’re wearing out that word. I don’t think that juror knows the definition of that word, she’s just parroting what she’s heard. Did she hear it during trial from DeMarte, or did she hear it on TV during or after the trial.

  73. I live here in Utah right in the Happy Valley….. I am married to a Mormon he is inactive though and has always lived his own life if you have any questions about the everyday customs regarding marriage dating everyday interaction let me know. I know so much and its hard to explain unless Im directly asked questions . but they have thier own ways about doing things that are for lack of a better word twisted. There are alot of good MoMOs doing there best but the dark side is dark.

    Also I am going on a one day Vacay to SLC today… I had an idea before I leave. I will be back hopefully wi fi in the hotel bbut.. so

    Remember the GMA Guy the rude one that interviewed Jodi. WEll he said to Jodi you know nobody believes anything that comes out of your mouth regarding the abuse defense. She replied that there were plenty of people that believed it. I was thinking maybe we should diluge that particular anchor with letters even letters that simply say….WE bELIEVE WE COUNT just to show him that there are people out here that believe. So what say you guys should I do it or not???

    Sorry in a hurtry already late for check in ill check in here later for replies. Thanks guys. Be safe. God bless Jodi. \

    • Thanks Sara, I’ll think of some questions. I’m mostly interested in what goes on behind temple doors with the elders, but I’ll take any info I can get. I do believe there are probably many many good mormons, just as in every group of people………there’s the good and the bad. I can also be very understanding of the different ways of living. That’s what makes life interesting for me is learning about our differences instead of just criticizing. I just can’t understand the ignorance of so many people though. I guess I just don’t resonate with that mind set.

    • Sara, do most single Mormon men approaching the age of 31 feel the extreme urgency of getting married like Travis did? I know you can’t speak to the state of his mind, but what’s so terrible about being out of the singles ward, especially in this day and age when Mormons have LDS linkup?

      • Krikee, Hi I am in SLC and yes there is wi fi…. Okay so I asked my husband the question that you had about single men feeling the urgency to get married. My husbands answer was that its not so much that they feel the extreme urgency to get married as much as they feel the pressure of the church philosophy to GET married. Its just what is expected of them… I personally feel that if you are following the Mormon Doctrine of Covenants to the T it is more likely that your life will be filled with Blessings such as placement in the Bishop Brigue etc all this extra incentives just ensure more and more that your life will be easier to live and that should anything go wrong the church is there to pick up the pieces especially financially.

        • Sara,

          So if a young man reaches 30+ years and continues to not be married how is he viewed in their local ward? Does he move outside the singles groups? Are there groups for older unmarried adults?

          Thanks.

  74. Wow… Tara Kelley really posted this on her twitter.

    “Question for all of you….did u ever watch just to see if Nurmi’s chair would break that day?! #jodiarias #justicefortravis”

    What a fucking bitch! Sorry, but she’s a piece of shit & I can’t stand ignorant people like her! I don’t even know why I wasted my time looking at her twitter. I refuse to look at it anymore. It’s filled with garbage, and she talks like an immature high schooler.

    • Britney, sometimes we should know better than to go to those sites. I do it even after I say I won’t and end up being outraged, pissed off, disgusted. And yes, it is a waste of time.

      Do we know if this alternate juror is a Mormon?

    • She was definitely a plant. And I think Judge Stephens knew it, was afraid of the bitch causing a mistrial with her mouth, and made her an alternate for that reason.

    • And she’s not exactly Twiggy, so she should keep her mouth shut about Nurmi’s weight. #justsaying #Juror17isabitch

  75. Hi, everyone…..I don’t post often and when I do it’s normally some frustration and I need to share with people who have control of their own minds–you guys:) Anyway, today, I’ve been watching the ID channel and I must say the prosecutorial spin on things is everywhere…most of the cases I’ve watched I’ve gone online to get additional information and normally the facts have either been omitted or speculation accepted as the truth! For instance, someone earlier mentioned the Susan Wright case and said she tied him up and stabbed him……there were several forensic pathologists that said there were no signs he was restrained. Instead, they say he was so coked out that it was enough for him to possibly pass out which supported her story that he was high and beat her and their child resulting in the stabbing….of course, this was after her being abused by this KNOWN drug abuser many times before. But, I guess, since she was a lowly stripper she deserved it….however, the ID channel only briefly mentions his drug use and never discusses the defense witnesses…..I just don’t understand this half-assed reporting!!

  76. The ONLY reason any of these “jurors” minds were made up is because they all went home and listened to the bullshit that was being slung by hln. It is supposedddddddddddd to be a news program but it’s NOT, we all know that but obviously these idiots didn’t. They seem to have grabbed at everything they were thrown. Couple that with JM’s many lies and the people he got to lie, well, let’s just say they should all be in jail.
    THIS sentence needs to be overturned ASAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Jury misconduct, prosecutorial misconduct, severely biased judge FOR the prosecution, HLN spewing nothing but lies, witness intimidation by the haters inflamed by hln . If there has ever been a case that needed to be overturned ASAP this is IT!
    People keep buying into their shit!
    Jodi needs the biggest baddest atty that there is to tear this shit up. There is FAR toooooooo much evidence that wasn’t brought in, not to mention the witnesses that should have been called.
    The MAIN most person who needs to keep shouting at the top of his lungs is Gus. He is no idiot AND he knew Jodi while all of this SHIT was being done to her. I’d better hush, I’m almost ready to rant.

  77. Okay, I asked this yesterday but I am still not clear on what is going to happen next. How will a new (impartial…pfft like that will happen…) jury decide sentencing without hearing the entire trial/ testimony? This makes no sense to me at all. I would think if the jurors could NOT come to a unanimous decision for the DP then the DP should have been thrown out. Do you mean to tell me that those jurors who wanted Jodi to be executed couldn’t find life imprisonment justifiable punishment for an M1 conviction? Why such a “gung-ho-for-the-death-penalty” attitude? I just don’t get it. Wouldn’t natural life imprisonment serve the same purpose…keep Jodi from ever being set free? (I wanted Jodi to walk with time served, just so you know I don’t understand this jury ONE bit.) Does anyone have a link to the law that addresses this?
    Also, I think I saw someone mentioned crying in the courtroom when the sentencing came back hung. Who was crying? Did I misread it or was the judge crying? I hope I misread that.

    • They claim it was the judge crying but they love to lie-they didn’t show the judges face during the reading. They swear Jennifer smiled and Jodi sighed with relief and that is DEFINITELY not what I saw. Jodi looked sad and then cried. Jennifer was expressionless.

      • Mak, I definitely saw Jodi sigh. Whether that sigh was of relief, I don’t know. I think maybe she was a little relieved that she didn’t get death yet, but at the same time she seemed upset because now this is being drug out even more, and there’s still no full conclusion yet.

        • I forgot to add, I did see JW let out a little smile when she looked at Jodi. She quickly contained herself though as to not show emotion in the court room. It is her job to save Jodi from death, and so far she had done that. I think she was happy.

          • Good for Jen; I’d smile too if I trumped Martinez on any issue. That little rodent’s expression of rage was priceless.

        • Had they both gotten up and high five’d then did the full on Jim Carrey hands on hips, sex simulating, screw you provo push move and yelled ‘YEAH…take that!’ it would have been absolutely appropriate in my opinion. lol

        • You’re right but I didn’t take it as a sigh of relief….she looked like she was sad it wasn’t over

        • Remember Amanda’s violent emotional reaction when she was declared innocent in Perugia at her appeal?

          After all the tension, some reaction is inevitable. It’s unwise to read much into it.

          Jodi has had to try to conceal inadvertent reactions over many months, because they can be used against her.

          I think she may have actually smiled, but tried to cover her face to conceal it.

        • Jodi looked upset and Jennifer looked stoic with just a touch of “finally we got something tilted in our favor” look.

      • That judge is so unprofessional. She should be impeached! She showed bias toward the prosecution throughout the whole trial, she didn’t sequester the jury, and now she was choking back tears after the verdict was read. Just ridiculous.

    • Dorothy, I totally agree. I think since all the jurors couldn’t agree on death, the DP should have been thrown out. This whole getting a new jury thing seems wack, in my opinion.

      “Do you mean to tell me that those jurors who wanted Jodi to be executed couldn’t find life imprisonment justifiable punishment for an M1 conviction?”

      ^ That reminds me of something else. The foreman said that since they couldn’t reach a decision, they thought it would be handed over to the judge and she would decide either LWP or LWOP. If that’s the case, why didn’t they just all decide on life then if they thought that’s what the judge was going to give her anyway?

      • Britney, I saw Jennifer sort of smile in a sympathetic, comforting sort of way and reach out toward Jodi after the hung sentencing was announced. I saw Jodi look flustered or perhaps upset and then cry. I just don’t understand, after such a lengthy trial, how is it possible to have a new jury take on the responsibility of deciding on sentencing when the jury that HEARD (pfft) the entire trial couldn’t even decide. It makes absolutely NO sense to me. I can understand if it was a two week trial, but FIFTY-SIX days worth of testimony, SO many witnesses, SO much entered into evidence… To me it sounds like the court may as well just toss the dice or pull the sentencing out of a hat, because without HEARING EVERYTHING how can another jury decide. It seems unjust. Also, I thought NOT ALL of the jurors were convinced it was premeditated…am I wrong about that? If so, then the DP should have been eliminated at that point. Whatever…I am so confused and there isn’t much info out there on how this predicament will be handled legally and how it is to be carried out in a just way.

      • Sounds like the jury did not fully understand that another jury would be chosen. What a mess this whole thing was/is.

  78. AREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE there ANY REALLLLLLLLLLLL investigative reporters who want to blow this shit up and make a HUGE name for themselves in the process???????????????? Looks like to me, someone taking down this SHITZONA (I just had to, lol) circus and all the SHITZONIANS who think they are GOD would make someone a household name. That alone should be reason enough for someone who has a real pair of balls to get it rolling.

    • I think if someone does it will need to be a bigger platform inclusive of Jodi’s case. Something like how biased media coverage and social media is contaminating the integrity of the juries, or how sequestration should be enforced for high profile cases….I think anyone focusing solely on her will receive a serious professional backlash. Look what happened to Alyce and she only testified!! It’s going to have to be someone extremely savvy with a big name but a well thought out plan…

      • I think that a high profile atty will know just exactly how to deal with their stupid bullshit threats. I honestly can’t see them being bothered by bs.

        • True, but if they wanted to tackle it now it would the story would probably gain more traction if the story took a sideways approach. Every media outlet out there seems to be pro Travis right now and may not give the story the attention it deserves if its just about her…unless he’s on Geraldo and even HE backed down after getting crazy tweets from the “angry mob”….

          • I agree–re: bigger platform or sideways approach. And time. It will have to wait, unfortunately.

        • Mak39 and cj, What baffles me is that NO ONE with any brains in their heads has even approached the topic of the injustice of this trial and all that went along with it. I do not understand…aren’t there any REALLLLL reporters or attorneys who find ANYTHING appalling about this case AT ALL? Are they all afraid? or are they just ignoring the flip side to this trial. There has been NO COVERAGE at all about the things WE discuss on this page. WHY IS THAT? We offer so much insight. One would think that at least SOMEONE would pick up on some of the questions we all have and/or points of discussion…I guess they are all on the gravy train…that is where the money is after all. I suppose no one wants to ruin their ratings or fall victim to the evil that will inevitably befall them.

          • I think so much of the media focuses on “ratings” and there is no honest journalism anymore just people spouting opinions on a network that claims to be a news channel. any unbiased reporters don’t seem to get the national attention they deserve because most intelligent people find other means of inquiring info instead of relying solely on cable news, so those journalsts blog instead. And God forbid anyone question the lack of fairness or integrity in the reporting on tge major networks, for instance, after the hung jury verdict Jose Baez was on In Session and Vinnie Politan lost his mind when he suggested cameras should be out of the courtroom if juries are not going to be sequestered. He started talking about our right to know what goes on in the courtroom while totally ignoring the fact that his network along with social media lessened JODI’S right to a FAIR trial. It just really makes me sick because as attorneys they KNOW better!! Most people are stupid, unfortunately, and can be spoonfed anything and they take advantage of that fact by perpetuating an environment of ignorance!

            • Vinnie P et al sold themselves out…they are nothing more than sensationalist tabloid-like puppets. And to think I once thought VP was a handsome guy (WAY back when it was court tv) and enjoyed the shows then…I am embarrassed to admit that. Now when I see or hear him et al, I am repulsed…

            • JOURNALISM AND JOURNALISTS

              don’t forget “journalists” are for the most part dumb asses
              the best that could be said of them is that they’re average, pedestrian

              in the age of the internet, journalism as a career is finished, nobody gives a crap about them, or what they write
              opinion journalism is not even worth a derisory comment
              good riddance to the lot
              well deserved ridicule and dismissal of them

              i never read any of their crap

              what is written here is superior, with respect to knowledge, insight, synthesis, analysis, etc

              what’s their training ?
              how to turn on a printer, or use a laptop
              everyone can do that

              they have no special academic credentials, such as in the traditional arts or sciences, physical or social, which would provide some depth of thought and analysis

              in the past, i never saw any originality of thought; or curiosity from them; they’re mentally lazy, conservative and unimaginative

  79. BBL gotta go check on supper, smokin a boston butt (((((((((((((((((((((((((((HUGSSSSSSSSSSSSS FRIENDS)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

        • 😆 …. I suppose you could call me a Boston Butt…because since this trial began my Boston butt has done nothing but GROW like a pigs behind 😯 (that’s what happens when one does not exercise YIKES)

          Thanks for clarifying…Hope it was yummy 🙂

  80. Jodi took the stand, told her side of the story in a matter of fact and well-spoken manner. The times that she cried were authentic, she didn’t display smugness or arrogance nor did she gloss over things. She is just naturally eloquent and intelligent and some people can’t stand that. It’s called ENVY, peeps. The only manipulation going on was with Juan(lying ass)Martinez and the Addams family in the galley with their overwrought emotional theatrics. And you, the jury, who were chosen to listen to both sides bought that whole load of cow dung. If you had any honor, and I am very doubtful that you do, you would hang your heads in shame.

  81. Sandy Arias should sue hln for millions upon millions for what they have done. Alyce needs to sue the bastards. There are a lot of folks who need to be taken down while Jodi is being brought OUT!

    • I just want to know how long they are going to drain Jodi’s story……court is out for the next 3 weeks!! Maybe they can practice report ice NEWS!!

  82. REFRESHING:

    Jury Foreman, William Zervakos, during a brief ‘Inside Edition’ interview: “[Jodi] was crucified in the court of public opinion.”

    That guy is HUMAN.

    I mean, why are the majority being so negligent of their own humanity? All the haters are basically witch hunters.

    PRIMITIVE and IGNORANT. But, they just need to be educated. And the media is doing a great disservice to the country’s substance of character.

    I’ve been working on the consciences of the HLN’ers… and I actually accomplished a few things by – legit – correcting them in certain moments.

    Can someone please confirm if the jodiann_arias Twitter account legitimate? I know the Jodiannarias one has been officially confirmed an authentic Twitter profile openly approved by Jodi, herself.

    Also, if possible, please let me know if Team Jodi/the Arias Family have heard of Dr. William Francis Pepper or know anything about him.

    Sending you a hug, Jodi!

    -Marie

  83. The son of Jury Foreman, William Zervakos, wrote a very touching and empowering personal statement that I think Jodi would appreciate – and that all of us better learn to appreciate… right?

    Here’s his excellent article; this outpour has a strong and warm heartbeat:

    THE EXECUTIONER WITH A PUBLIC FACE

    My dad was the jury foreman in the Jodi Arias murder trial.

    I am betting that a good portion of you don’t know or care but there is sure a sizable piece of America and beyond that knows now who my dad is—which is to say they know his name and they know he had a chance to help execute a criminal. And they know that on his watch, that criminal was not sentenced to die.

    That’s where it ends, of course. The knowledge of my dad. That’s all that all but a statistically negligible percentage of the universe knows about my dad. They don’t know that my dad loved his kids or loved baseball or loves cars or loves golf or loves his grandkids or any of a million things. They don’t know that above all his weaknesses, my dad is an honorable man.

    And that’s okay. No one needs to know my dad. I think before this all happened, my dad would have liked to be famous. I’m not speaking for him but I’m pretty sure that’s not the case anymore.

    Today I read hate mail my dad had gotten. Some person had sent him a threatening message complete with his email address, full name, and phone number (which at the very least means that this guy should retake Hate Mail 101). I also read some comments on an article online about my dad. Surreal. They say my dad was fooled by the defendant, that he was taken with her, that he hated the prosecutor. But what was most interesting to me is how many people say my dad is a media whore.

    Let me explain to you how the media works. I am a media whore. I want nothing more than an open mic, a bully pulpit, a captive audience. But no one cares what I have to say, and therefore the media doesn’t care.

    But the world (maybe even you, if you are honest) wants to hear about Jodi Arias. Everything, every lurid detail about her. So when my dad showed up at his own home after the mistrial was declared, the major media were there waiting for him. They spent the night in his home. He chose to speak, but if you all didn’t care, no one would have even had a clue who my dad is. It’s poor form to consume media and at the same time complain about its availability.

    One last thing, and then I’ll be done, because thinking about how my dad is suffering makes my heart hurt. A jury gets impaneled once or twice in a generation to oversee a trial like this. That means there are one or maybe two people per generation that know what my dad has just gone through. I would love to hear what their thoughts are. I’m sure my dad would like to decompress with them over cocktails. What that group alone would know, though, is that when you are a juror, you are bound by law to be impartial. What you see and what you are *mandated* to consider and not consider is different from what Nancy Grace’s viewership gets to see. They are allowed to foam at the mouth for five months with bloodlust, knowing from day one that the defendant is guilty as sin. But a juror is told to leave emotion and sensationalism at the door so that the defendant can have a fair trial.

    You might say, “But Jodi Arias is a psychopath. She doesn’t deserve anything but the hot end of a gun.” You’re allowed to think that. But I hope for your sake that if you’re ever put on trial for something, you have jurors like my dad to hear you out.

    I looked at my four year old son today as he was about to fall asleep. He gave me a dreamy, half conscious smile. Genuine, because four year olds always are. I told him I loved him. He said back to me, “I love you, dad.”

    At that moment I realized that if I make it to the end of my life and my son can be proud of me, then I will die happy to my very bones.

    So here’s my open letter to my dad:

    Dad: I love you. And I am proud today, and I am proudest today, that you are my dad.

    • Your right cj, lets see what Nancy Grace ( Nasty Disgrace) Jane Velez-Mitchell (Big mouth bitch) Mike Galnos (Mr. No Balls, himself) Vinnie Politon (an idiot that acts like he is on coke) Ryan Smith (Mr. I agree w/everyone nitwit) Dr. Drew (Mr. Wuss in disguise) and all of their so-called “expert, professionals attorneys (nothing but glorifies high price “liars”. I am so happy for Jodi and I truly think HLN owes them an apology, big time!!! Let me tell all of you Jodi followers: Prayers do help!! I said a lil prayers for Jodi as she approached the podium she spoke from. She was EXCELLENT and so brave, she put Samantha to shame. (Notice Samantha was always looking for the cameras so the tears could start flowing);The sister that looks like one of the Aadams Family on crack/meth, what a phoney!!! Did she even know where she was at? To be truthful about them, THEY ARE NOT!!!! DO YOU HEAR NOT!!!! A CLOSE FAMILY. Damn HLN couldn’t keep their frickin mouths shut, just for one day, to Honor Mother’s Day. I felt so bad for Jokd’s mother Sandy’ I am and will be 100% for JODI ANN ARIAS. THATS MY STORY AND I’M STICKING W/IT. GOD BLESS ALL OF YOUR SUPPORT FOR OUR LIL JODI.

  85. Imagine.. had the judge not been biased, had the prosecutor not been allowed to lie and pummel witnesses, had the jury not been tainted by the media, had the public’s perception not been skewed by said media, had the family of TA not been uncouth unforgiving attention seekers then I believe Jodi would be home now.

    • Gwen, I think you are right…so much is wrong with this case. I wish Jodi had stayed silent from the beginning…no interviews prior to the trial…there is a lesson EVERYONE should heed here. If you are brought in by police for questioning related to a crime MAINTAIN YOUR RIGHT TO REMAIN SILENT!!! NO MATTER WHAT! Because WHATEVER you say WILL be used against you.

  86. Imagine that you were called to be on the new jury and you are told “okay a previous jury found this woman guilty of murder 1 and they found her to have used extreme cruelty. Just assume this is true and accept this as fact.. Now decide her punishment”.

    What right-minded person would find it acceptable to assume the guilt as fact?

    Now if a mini-trial is put on with testimony and the new jury can ask questions of the witnesses, why are they asked to accept the previously found guilt?

    • I have my doubts that there will ever be a second jury. The first group was obviously tainted; how in the hell will they find impartial people now? I think that it will come down to a LWOP plea bargain, which Jodi should only accept if her appeals are left in place.

      • Well, as I’ve recently learned, there are a great deal of people in this world who agree with the death penalty. I used to think my views against it were growing in popularity, but apparently, I’m wrong.

        The new jury will have a few days to a few weeks or testimony — not a 5 month long saga as this has been, so the venire will be much greater to choose from. They won’t be stuck with only potential jurors who can only take a week or two off from work.

        There are many people who know nothing about this trial, believe it or not.

        It will be easier than you think to find a second jury.

        • There are people in Maricopa County who know nothing about the trial? I really doubt that.

          • I doubt there are that many people in the entire country who don’t know about the case.

  87. Im thinking the SCAM money is being used to pay people off namely the jury.

    What a bunch of retards. I also think they didnt completely understand
    the verdict instructions. They obviously didnt understand the sentencing
    instructions.

    • Wow, I hadn’t thought of that…but I think those who are raking in the dough are probably too damn greedy to give any of it away.

  88. Hi guys, I’ve been working a lot and not had much chance to come on and comment but trying to read your comments when I get the chance. I did a search today and came across this. I can’t fathom it though, her comments are continuously contradictory. I have not seen any comments here from her lately and maybe the question of her loyalty has been resolved, if so I apologize for bringing this up, but I will just post this link. Would be interested in your opinions/comments. Its from our bevviehedstrom, otherwise known as Basse

    http://jessicaknight82.wordpress.com/2013/02/23/photos-from-the-travis-alexander-murder-trial-warning-very-graphic/

      • Funny the search I used was “travis alexander is a jerk”

        The second hit was this site of this Jessica chick. I completely didn’t expect to come across the comments from Basse, but I am puzzled by her contradictions. Almost like a split personality or something. lol

        • BevM, I saw Basse’s avatar on another website at about the time her presence on this website was diminishing except the name she used was different. To be honest, I didn’t read her post. The first and last name contained the same amount of syllables and sounded Scandinavian. Is it possible that someone has grabbed her avatar and is posting under her name? If that’s the case, it could happen to anyone on this site.

          • It’s possible but if that happened to me I would be bending over backwards to defend myself and doing everything I could to prove that I am who I say I am. It’s the silence that seems to make it so sinister. It kind of looks to me that she didn’t really understand that changing her username would not give her anonymity unless she changed her avatar. The avatar would still be attached to whatever name she uses unless she takes steps to attach a different one to the different username.

    • I think that one has a multiple personality disorder or something…every other comment she makes contradicts itself WTF

      • Yup, very off. We Beverlys are usually quite mentally stable……….. heh heh

          • I am glad you posted that. I have been her biggest defender; now I am done with her, and just took her off my Facebook.

            • I am assuming shes getting the Bevvie from Beverly. Only very special people get away with calling me that. lol

              • I just find it odd that she hasn’t even tried to defend herself. At least not that I was aware of. I guess she has her own issues. Probably off her meds or something. I would not want to be inside her head.

                • If the people misrepresenting themselves are indicative of the “mob” it explains their mentality. These people are CRAZY!! Own your statement!! If its erased-so what-someone had to read it to erase it! When I go to their sites I proclaim right away I’m the enemy and I disagree and if you don’t like my comment….so what??! At least mine was intelligible and informed NOT a robotic HLN response!! And if they catch me on the right day I welcome the opportunity to ruin their day!! I just think its stupid!! It’s not like the site is private and they have to join to read the comments so why the “James Bond” approach???

                  Did we find out if Rebecca is a real Jodi supporter or was this another attempt to join in on the conversation?

  90. I bet the state of Arizona raked in a LOT of revenue while this trial was going on. All those spectators and reporters who spent loads of cash must have filled their damn coffers. They are probably in NO hurry to have it end. They should offer her M2 or Manslaughter OR LESS. If a jury sat there for 5 months listening to all those preposterous lies from the State and saw all the Juan fans milling about as well as the Jodi haters, amidst all the ribbons and flowers dedicated to Saint TA, then watched the grimacing scowling ‘cry on cue’ family members and on top of that had Nance screaming DEATH in their ear every evening and they still couldn’t do it! LET IT GO!

    • Wouldn’t that be nice (to let it go)…but alas…there is STILL money to be made and the money whores will milk it to the last drop.

  92. I read I think it was on the OccupyHLN site in the comments following that story that Sherry Shithead bent over backwards to make sure Jodi got a fair trial.
    WHAAAAAAAAAAAT????
    What trial were some people watching?

    • Ok, excuse me while I laugh. Fair trial by that judge? They were joking right?

      • Even if I wasn’t a Jodi supporter there is no way you can call that judge fair.

        There were so many times on defense objections that I fully expected to here “sustained” and heard “overruled” that my jaw dropped.

    • Yeah Joe (((((((((hugs by the way)))))))))))))))……..

      The benchwarmer certainly had to “bend over backwards” – she had to in order to give Massengil the right angle – unless of course she remained in her seat and he stayed under the bench…….

    • Joe…It seems we were watching an entirely different trial…I don’t even think that the jury was in the same courthouse…

      • Nevermind the same courthouse Dorothy….they weren’t in the same courtroom…! They were enjoying their 15-minutes of fame daydreams and where they were going on vacation and how many times they would be sought after by the media circus they SAW, EXPERIENCED AND KNEW was taking place outside……

        • Janeen, I had first written “courtroom” but changed it to “courthouse” because…there is no way they were anywhere NEAR the same trial I watched…they had to be lost in space, daydreaming. So far, the jurors who I have heard speak, have all implied that they had their minds made up as to Jodi’s guilt after they saw the crime scene photos….so I bet they WERE daydreaming most of the time.
          I don’t understand it. I would NEVER want to be interviewed after I served on a jury. I would tell the hounds to get lost.

          • That alt juror admitting that she would give herself manicures during trial to stay awake – so she was paying no attention yet formed an opinion.

  93. I have already posted this before, but I will repeat. I have been always thinking that something is wrong with the Alexander family. They neither lived in the same town with TA nor called him every day. Normal people can’t cry and be hysterical for five years.They are either psychopaths that enjoy being hysterical, or they want to get a lot of money from the case. That’s why they exaggerate their sufferings shedding fake tears!

    • They want the money right now as far as I can tell. Why would they set up all these different accounts for donations and tell everyone they will be donating to this organization or that one, why not just tell everyone to donate to those organizations themselves in travis’s name? They are slick. These donation sites are all a scam and people are falling for it. It amazes me how stupid the jodi haters are for not seeing through it all.

      • Maybe this is part of the karma that is due these people. I can imagine how pissed I would be if I donated to a charity of any sort that I really believe in, only to find that my money went to some sort of scam. I definitely agree that this family does not want to get over TA’s death, there is too much money in wallowing in misery. Serves these donators right for supporting this blatant scam.

        As I said before, the justice in all of this is, had it been one of Travis siblings, he would have been front and centre in scamming for all the $$$ he could get.

    • Every tear, every smirk, every eye roll earned them tons of money…heck, I wish MY tears would earn ME some money, I’d be a gazillionaire…

    • Yes, and you really have to watch the blonde sister talk at his memorial where she is all giggles and saying what a stud Travis was and so she is a hottie because she looks like him. There’s a clip of it on hlntv. I thought she was acting like she was at a party, not a memorial.

      • I refuse to access HLN at all costs. Since I have decided to do so I feel a sense of freedom.

      • Hold it right there. THAT ONE thinks she’s a hottie? She thinks her brother was good looking? PUKE. God no. Not even close. You can tell how beautiful and good a person is on the putside because the beauty and goodness radiates from within. None of these people have any such thing radiating from them. And certainly not Travis.

        I can’t take any of this anymore. When is the public going to be so disgusted with this over saturation of the Alexander pity party?

        If I could I would fly down to AZ and hand Sandy a HUGE WAD of CASH right in front of them and declare it a gift!

    • re: the alexanders… esp. stevie, he was upset, etc. and begging jury to kill jodi so he can sleep wit the light on, etc.

      the evidence/trial should speak for itself. having these ppl cry and carry on to try and sway a jury’s penalty doesn’t seem quite right. esp. w/ the fact that they didn’t seem that close. (but TA Family would disagree i guess.)

      i realize these r the “impact statements” and done elsewhere too. it just strikes me that who knows how honest these ppl r being?

  94. Someone ask the alternate juror on twitter which one is she, the one on the rt, or the lt of her avatar pic on twitter, she said ” left…Stacey, a dr drew juror, is blonde on right”. If you go look at that picture they sure are cozy together.

    • I hope miss limelight keeps talking and talking, because sooner or later she is going to say something she shouldn’t. But then again it might already be too late because of her fb page. This quote is copied from a juror misconduct page, giving examples of cases that were overturned due to jurors

      “the trial court failed to question the alternate juror about her knowledge of
      the contact and did not ensure that the alternate juror was not biased due to outside influence”

      And those racial comments on her fb page that were made by her friends are a big deal. I was reading racial comments made to or by jurors one of reasons why convictions are overturned.
      Everyday the judge asked if they heard anything or if someone said anything to influence them and everyday she did not report it. Just because she was an alternate doesn’t matter because she could have been called on at any moment to step in to deliberations.
      Yes, keep talking. We love hearing what you have to say.

  95. This is an interesting post on anrecovery from mormonism board

    “ubject: I used to HAVE to slash my neck to act out how I would kill myself pre 1990
    Date: Feb 23 17:57
    Author: AFNO

    ——————————————————————————–
    Now that is gone. I ask: How are the faithful supposed to know how to kill themselves since this has been removed. I am SURE there are right ways and wrong ways to kill yourself to protect the secret handshakes and passwords, but now the poor elite membership do not know which methods to use.

    This is a definite change in the ordinance. Slashing your throat using your right hand and disemboweling yourself with your other hand cupped to catch your flailing guts are the APPROVED methods given BY GOD to Joseph Smith, right?

    How can TBME even say that they haven’t been changed?

    Oooh, and what about the VENGEANCE promises those early members had to take, you know the ones that drove the Mountain Meadow Massacre murders? I don’t believe I had to swear vengeance when I went through in 1984. ”

    http://www.exmormon.org/mormon/mormon331.htm

    • Reading that site is an eyeopener. I read the posts often. I even bookmarked it. It is nice to see some have found their way out of that Mormonism darkness (many at the expense of family, friends and self) Some of what they write saddens me. (in re: what they have endured)

  97. I just want to know how they will find an unbiased jury of 12-18 ppl?? I actually watched Ryan on HLN ask one of their fake jurors would he have recommended the death penalty…he said yes. Then he asked if he was picked as a new juror would he be able to come in with an open mind-WTF?? Of course, he said yes!! But please explain to me how that is possible? Are they going to brainwash him?? Even if they are sequestered and cameras are gone the damage has been done!! No one can be this daft!!

    • Finding an impartial, unbiased, untainted jury will be one heck of a job. That may even take longer than the trial…if EVERYONE is truly honest. They should be required to take polygraph tests.

    • This fake-juror a**hole is lying to us and to himself. He would be as unbiased as those on this jury who lied about their presumption of guilt during voir dire when they realized this was going to be a high profile case. I think they all already “knew” she was guilty and thereafter expected her to prove she wasn’t.

    • This is a letter from the jury foreman’s son…It is sad…

      The haters are “sheeple people”…in this trial they just followed the herd and succumbed to their shepherd…the talking heads on HLN…

      http://www.silverbearcafe.com/private/05.10/sheeple.html

      and on wikipedia…sheeple people are…[quote]Sheeple (a portmanteau of “sheep” and “people”) is a term in which people are likened to sheep, a herd animal. The term is used to describe those who voluntarily acquiesce to a suggestion without critical analysis or research.[quote]

        • I feel very badly for his dad. He has done nothing wrong and they wrote really horrific stuff about him all over the place. Him getting actual hate mail is no shocker—everyone who doesn’t think what they think gets attacked. I have to be completely honest I never thought there would be 4 brave souls on that jury not intimidated enough by the shitstorm waiting for them to do what they felt was the right decision.

          The kind of crap that alternate juror 17 is doing and saying is what I expected (others will follow I am sure) or complete silence and we’d know who voted for life by the process of elimination. His dad never even said how he voted and he should not have to. Having the least bit of empathy toward’s Jodi does not warrant what the nutbags do. I hope they leave his dad the hell alone and that his dad takes it up with the police if the threats continue.

          • It’s disgusting that he is receiving hate mail but I wonder if it will dawn on him that anyone who supports Jodi gets hate mail and death threats. How does it feel? Maybe he will understand what Jodi and her family, friends and supporters are going through and how crazy the TA siblings and CASH are.

  99. If anyone has a problem understanding HOW and WHY the money flows then go to Jason Weber’s OccupyHLN.

    • That is the topic posted (link) at the top of this page. Just saying…That is why it is so widely being discussed today.

      • Yes Dorothy, that’s where I got it from. But I just wanted to mention it so more people will read it. It will give much more insight as to how this trial arrived to the Premeditated Murder verdict that is the nightmare of Jodi Arias.
        The more you read and research this case the clearer the picture becomes. In other words, you begin to see the forest instead of just focusing on the trees.

  101. Also Abused, I read your post from yesterday. Your bravery and resilience is amazing and an inspiration.

    • That’s very kind of you to say, Krikee. I had little choice and honestly just did what was in front of me to stay alive. I deserve no credit for that.

  102. I’m rewatching the trial with an “open mind” to see if I notice any signs of manipulation. I’m on that tootsie pop/pop rocks part…..I don’t understand what is so special about his style of questioning. He asks stupid questions and a LOT of times he doesn’t remember what he’s asked!! Several times he’s asked her a question and when he didn’t get the answer he wanted his favorite line is “did I ask you that?!” And the answer is “yes, you dumb f___!”

    • LOL I know! I noticed that quite a few times during the trial. He would ask questions and then instantly forgot what he said. He would be like, “I’m not talking about such and such”, even though that’s what he was just talking about. I can’t even believe people praise him.

      • CLASSIC JUAN MARTINEZ:
        JM: What were you doing in Pasadena when this happened?
        GS: I’d arranged to meet her there cause it was on the way to where she was going.
        JM: I’m not asking what she told you. I’m asking what you were doing there?
        GS: I went there to meet her.
        JM: Alright, and if you went there to meet her, tell me the name of the town that you met her.
        GS: I already did – Pasadena

    • And to think that stupid juror said she was impressed by him,because he rarely had any notes in front of him and could remember everything by hear.Weeell,she said maybe he did make a couple of mistakes on one or two occassions but overall she was stunned.
      Hey lady I got news for you:Who needs notes when thew know beforehand how they are going to twist everything around and talk their way into everything they wanna make you believe?If you come to think about it,it’s easy!No need to be impressed.

  103. I know I’ve become obsessed with this case but I literally have never seen anything like it. I can’t fathom the hatred. When Casey Anthony was touted as the ‘Most Hated Woman in America’…geez this title is getting more play than Miss America…I could somewhat understand. The death of a helpless innocent child was involved portrayed alongside the seemingly cavalier attitude of Casey and it played over and over in a continuous loop on Nasty Grace. But I can’t connect the dots here. A young woman was psychologically tormented and physically used and abused by a louse and a hypocrite and we have the tapes and the emails to prove it. Then she’s pounded on relentlessly by a disgusting little man as she gives her testimony of the torturous relationship and her act of self defense and she is hated MORE??? I can’t wrap my brain around this. I must need therapy.

    • I don’t get it either. Jodi is softspoken and unassuming — what is making people hate her? I find her extremely likeable and admirable. I guess HLN is able to brainwash the masses into hatred, somehow.

      • It’s the all about the PITY for the obnoxious family-not the hard facts & evidence. The family basically suborned jury with their theatrics, acting self-righteous, and pathetic self-pity. The family continues to play to the uninformed viewers & cult followers by soliciting donations–completely unacceptable. And they say Jodi reminded them of a Stepford wife… I think it’s the other way around. What freaks. I have never felt this way about anyone else in their shoes, just a visceral reaction I have to them.
        P.S.
        If TA was such a catch, then why didn’t anyone else want to date him? I loathe TA’s judgmental, ignorant friends who could not accept Jodi. Especially, Smiley Hughes. Too bad TA was such a follower.

      • For being pretty, smart, and openly enjoying sex!! While all they can do is hope someone finds them attractive enough to lie down with in the complete DARK!!!

      • This could add a brand new charge to the terminology. Not Guilty, Guilty, M1, Manslaughter, Guilty of Being Pretty so We Hate Her.

      • I agree, Gwen. And I also think that there is some discrimination involved here. I wonder if these people on the other side would be so adamantly against Jodi if she was a white, blonde, blue-eyed woman whose name was “Jodi Smith”.

        Or, better yet: suppose Travis’s name was Travis Arias and Jodi’s name was Jodi Alexander. Do you think the jury would have found her “guilty” or “not guilty”?

      • Yep…because she’s pretty and because ugly women feel some sort of draw to a dead pedo who was average looking on his best day.

        • Many of the jury went home at night and watched HLN as well as the local news. They were a brainwashed jury. HLN managed to make certain that none of Jodi’s inner beauty was discussed, and instead characterized her as “A Pathological Liar.” If this phase is redone more attention needs to be focused on her finer qualities. She is complicated and complex. She needs to be humanized using different strategies.

    • ” I can’t wrap my brain around this”

      Gwen,

      The Travis Taliban just pounded away with the 27 stab wounds, throat slit ear-to-ear & the gun shot to the head. And that is what every news outlet reported for months.

      We know Saint Travis was a despicable Cult member who abused Jodi. IMO Saint Travis got what he deserved when he attacked Jodi. It just a few days before Saint Travis was calling Jodi a carcass with a pulse blah blah blah… the Taliban can’t defend their Saint Travis character or abuse of Jodi.

      Every smart Judge (Not a lying attorneys) in America believes Jodi at most should of been charged with M-2, then plead down to heat of passion manslaughter.

    • I can’t either. I was just thinking about this yesterday and I can’t grasp why anyone cares this much. Even with people like Jeffery Dahmer who have admitted to horrible crimes, I just can’t conjure up that level of hatred for them. My thought process is just more like “wow, that’s terrible. There are some really awful people” but I don’t feel anything past that. I just can’t imagine devoting thar much energy and hatred for someone whose actions have no bearing or impact on my life whatsoever. I think being attractive might have something to do with it for some people, but a lot of these hardcore people (like the websleuths gang) seem to have burning hate toward men too.

  104. Hello Friends! I have been taking a little break and getting my life together, LOL!! I am embarrassed at the amount of laundry I let pile up while I have obsessed over this trial. It has been well worth it, but now I have been paying dearly for it, LOL!
    Anyway- even though I have been MAKING myself chill on posting I have been sneaking a peek and keeping up with what been going on. I have to say, judging from this Tara’s tweets, we were right on point when we said the jury was made up of a bunch of inbred retard mouth-breathers. Who the hell does this bitch think she is? And the more important question, how in the FUCK did some one deem her as having the mental capacity to SPELL CONCLUSION, much less ALLOW her to DRAW A FUCKIN CONCLUSION? This idiot is doing EXACTLY what we knew she would and I’d like to PERSONALLY thank this twat for being an idiot. She wants to ridicule a fellow juror for not wanting to murder Jodi, but let’s see how she likes it when the pitchforks are on her front lawn mad as hell at her having been THE reason for Jodi’s M1 conviction getting tossed in the trash. The irony!
    THIS irrelevant bitch is a NON-FUCKIN-FACTOR, she will only end up being known is “some alternate juror for the real jury who gave Jodi Arias the M1 conviction that is now overturned”, and nothing more.

          • Hey Renee!! Good to see ya! I hope your time with your hubby was good!
            I’ve missed you. Im getting myself together too, and it’s a good thing too cause it looks like there’s much work to be done.

  105. everyone is saying that the 84,000 email and other communication there was only a few where Travis was abusive that can not be true I don’t think they even went through all of them and Gus Searcy told us that there was no communication of Jodi being a crazy bitch until after she was arrested it came from the Travis Clan the nite of the 911 call we need intervention they Casey Anthony case they got a lot of collage Law students to help the defense that is what saved her digging into things Jodi need that now its hard now that the crime sheen is been completely gutted by the new owner and very suspicious that was done removing any clue that would prove the intruder story that I still believe happened and not the self defense one

    • You mean, only a handful of emails that were abusive after the Hughes hacked into the account?

  106. Good evening, everyone! And, to those of you who had family serve in the military who lost their lives, Happy Memorial Day to them and to you. Please let us not forget the veterans tomorrow.

    Today was a great day, if not an adventurous day. I woke up this morning to read the new posts about “Occupy HLN” and the work that they do is phenomenal. These people do the job that our media used to do.

    I also posted a blog entry today called “Exposing The Real Travis Alexander” and to say that it provoked some strong reactions would be an understatement. Both sides commented on my blog post, but the majority of comments were pro-Jodi. It is truly amazing and kind of humorous how ignorant some of the Travis Alexander supporters are. If they had focused and put as much passion into their grammar and spelling skills as they have towards their hatred and anger for Jodi Arias, they wouldn’t come across as such blithering idiots.

    One of the pro-Travis commenters asked me if I was enjoying dragging Travis’s name through the mud. Never mind the fact that Jodi’s name has been dragged through the mud and then some for the past 4 1/2 months. This person that commented also fell back on the typical line about how “I don’t condone some of his behavior, BUT…” usually followed up with “he was a good person” or “he did what a lot of other guys would do.” Once again, these women that stick up for Travis excuse his behavior by pointing out that, well, other guys do it, too!

    I’m not dragging Travis’s name through the mud. All I did in that blog post was show people the truth. All I did was show them the exact words that came out of his mouth and some of his friends. There was no lies, distortion, clever editing, misinterpretation, attacking, smearing or manipulation that took place. I told the truth and I used Travis’s own words to do it. And, it really, really pisses them off. Not because I’m wrong, but because I’m right and they know I’m right and they have no way to defend Travis except for attacking me personally and anyone else who shares the same sentiment.

    And I’d like to say one final thing to the pro-Travis crowd. If you’re lurking on here, and I know that you are, I want you to read this very slowly and clearly. I know that you think that since you’ve got a lot of money in your pockets and a cable news network in the tank for you that you’re going to just walk all over Jodi and her supporters. Keep thinking that. We’ve got something on our side that you don’t have and never will have: the truth. And, as the old saying goes, the truth shall set you free. I don’t believe in violence and I strongly condemn any threats made by either side, but I will fight you tooth-and-nail in the court of public opinion and I will never back down from you or anyone.

    • Happy Memorial Day Frank Queen love your words to the hates and to the men in the military was raised a military brat hated and loved it at the same time Dad is gone now but he sounds like you a man that thinks before he speaks. You tell them like it is the truth the hole truth so help you god military words I think ? 🙄 love to roll the eyes at the haters

    • Frank, well done. I’m so called you posted “Exposing the Real Travis Alexander”. When I saw his my space page about a month ago, I was thinking the same thing. Especially the general goals “Money, Women, and Power” says it all.

      • Thank you, Tim. I’m going to be writing a follow-up blog post tomorrow. I’ll also be writing some more about it on here tomorrow as well. You wouldn’t believe the ignorance that some people have! It is stunning.

        • Didnt know if you read this…Travis wrote this to Chad Perkins on My Space 5 years ago.

          Travis
          Indian Legend states: That every time it rains in Seattle it’s the great spirit taking a whiz. So piss on you Chad. P.S. Coming to Seattle is on my priority list between eating butt and killing myself. JK Ill be there soon. Ill keep you posted.

      • Funny how God didn’t make the top 3 in the triumvirate of “money, women and power”, isn’t it?

        • Frank, I appreciate what you are doing. These are the same people who vote for a candidate with out even researching who they real are or what they stand for. Then complain! Here we have a lot of people who take HLN at their words. Unbelievable!

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    This is how the Alexander family does any witnesses for Jodi. Which I think is wrong!
    Tanisha did this too. I think they got in trouble or at least their little skinny hands slapped
    for it. But this is proof they all can drag people THROUGH THE MUD do horrible things an
    get a hate mob going an still say Jodi got a FAIR TRIAL. Not hardly witnesses are afraid
    after seeing things like this an reading horrible horrible comments they go out an post
    on anything they can find. That is the other side the ones that claim they are Good
    Law abiding Christians. Mormon’s/LDS that do this kind of propaganda are not
    a loving people. The trial was not Travis vs The State of Arizona. It was JODI
    Arias. Yes Travis evil side had to be brought out no one really knew him.? I think some
    did. But they LIE. Anyone that really knew him an thought T-Dogg was a great nickname
    an portraying to be a faithful Mormon/LDS follower an thought he was a VIRGIN.
    Is a LIAR. In the beginning they all were saying oh Travis was virginal in the end they
    say oh we all knew he was a player. They really just disgust me. Everyone of them.

    God I want Jodi out of there I am so sick of reading all the hate still. An LIES. They
    all want to harp on about Jodi’s Lies but it is ok if the other side lies daily over an over
    again. No it is wrong so wrong. Tainted Jurors Tainted State Tainted Judge what Judge
    had ever stumbled on the Jurors Decision to almost CRY! there is no CRYING in Court
    from the Judge. I am so disgusted with Arizona an the people still hammering away at
    Jodi.

    • I could not agree more. Not only that, tainted justice system, now. They have tainted future trials. People are going to be very afraid to go against what they perceive is “popular” (really the mormon manipulation of opinion), which will make it very difficult for an unpopular person whom the media has targeted for ratings to get any kind of a fair trial.

      They are using Jodi as an example to anyone who dares to go against them. They are insinuating themselves into the U.S. government just like they did with their political action against gay marriage. They spit on the U.S. Constitution and the Bill of Rights.
      I’m starting to think they are behind the ruination of the Republican party, which has devolved into nothing more than a tool for Bible thumping fundamentalists.

      I wonder if they aren’t the main group of Bible thumping fundamentalists after watching the documentary that I saw on how they came up with Proposition 8 in Calfornia and ruined gay marriage after it had already been made legal by the court. They hid behind other religions to make it look like they weren’t the main force behind it.

      They posed as “concerned citizens” and deliberately made people think they weren’t Mormons.

      As far as I’m concerned that’s exactly what they are doing here.

      In the documentary, they played the audio of the head of the church, whom they consider to be a direct mouthpiece of God himself, telling Mormons exactly what to do and how to do it to get rid of gay marriage and pass Proposition 8 in CA banning it. Absolutely sickening.

      Basically, it’s treason, really.

      They certainly aren’t afraid of anybody. They don’t even care how blatantly biased they look. They think they’re untouchable. To me, that means this corruption goes very high up.

  108. Ok….so I was rewatching footage from the trial. First, I personally saw no manipulation from Jodi. I saw someone standing up to someone constantly bullying and deriding her. Then I went back to Chris Hughes being questioned about his email to Travis about Jodi’s treatment—-how the hell is all of that testimony not allowed in a fucking self defense case! Then that Aldehadi guy(sp) admitting he watched other people’s testimony and the state knew it and STILL called him! Plus, he sought Martinez out!! Like he was mad Jodi didn’t like him!! How was this shit allowed??? Then he accused Gus Searcy of seeking the limelight when he has been all over HLN! even before his testimony!! I didn’t really watch the prosecutors case in the beginning. I saw opening arguments and then came back once Jodi took the stand and watched from then on. There are so many reasons to appeal just with their testimony alone. I’m so mad I can’t even sleep and its 1am here….

    • because they wanted to make Jodi look nasty and haughty . . plant a funky taste about her and basing it around the folly the mormons hide behind.

    • That Abe freak is as scummy as they come. They don’t get any lower than that dirtbag.

    • Neither Chris nor Abe testified in front of the jury. Those were evidentiary hearings regarding Defense motions against Martinez for prosecutorial misconduct.

  109. Then, who the fuck is Chris Hughes to question Gus Searcy about testifying….that’s witness tampering!! How was he not subject to any type of legal ramifications???

    • Yes, this thing is so outrageous its hard to believe. Talk about a railroad job.

    • Maybe he could be the investigative reporter that CJ mentioned Jodi needs to portray her in a fair light.

    • absooooofreakinlutely . . I still have probs about the knife wounds and think she didn’t do them and actually they shouldn’t have been primary since she can’t recall that part of an attack and no knife recovered. But this guy’s credentials are top shelf, you can actually see what he outlines and actually I felt what he wrote. His outreach to have brewer and atny gen reconsider letter with hard core points is great except brewer just fk’d up some more being the bitch she is but the sheriff got smacked down this week, maybe her turns coming . . like he said with his Germany comparison . . this case needs to be looked at in it’s proper perspective . . something needs to be done . . “it’s time”.

    • That was amazing!! Totally makes sense. And I agree that the prosecution and the defense BOTH struggled to explain the knife wounds. THIS FINALLY MAKES SENSE!

    • That truly is an amazing essay. I read it slowly and pictured everything. That is the first time the whole picture has made sense. Totally brilliant. Why didn’t the defense seek him out, or an expert with as much knowledge? Although, I think they kind of gave up after they saw what a lynch mob it was going to be. They didn’t have the top death penalty opponents in the country to help them, like Casey Anthony did. That essay, to me, is a game changer. Just fantastic. I really admire that he put the thought into it as well. But then, anyone normal (read, not a mormon cult member) with that much expertise in the subject of knife fighting and hand to hand combat would be very frustrated seeing what went on in that joke of a trial.

      Thanks for posting that, AA, excellent.

    • omg…thanks for the link AA!
      I spent at least 1 1/2 hour trying to read it(almost 2 am here and my brain doesnt process english as easily) but this guy is amazing.I hope he will get involved in the appeal proceedings.

    • Richard Speights WOW this guy is awesome ! Yes I read it an thanks for sharing
      so great to see someone that knows what they are talking about explain it.

      I have never been in a knife fight myself but always have a knife on me. An
      all his reenactment sure made since to me.

      Thanks AA so glad I went back an reread older posts this really made me feel
      better. I wish To God Nurmi an Jennifer could have used someone like this with
      knowledge some how? not that the tainted Jurors would bother listening really
      believe it is all Mormon/LDS populated in that county an HLN/CNN followers.
      Where we seen the Phoenix News itself was very one sided also. I have to wonder
      though if the 4 that would not go with Death would have listened more ? an not
      went with murder one either then if they had this information?

    • Thank you for this. It explains something that’s really confused me: how was Jodi able to inflict the wounds she did while defending herself.

    • Excellent article/summation on the night in question. WHY wasn’t an expert like this called as a witness???? My heart bleeds for Jodi. What an injustice at every turn for that poor girl.

      • I’ve listened….one comment about the doodling. If that showed she was disinterested and not listening how would she know when to rebut a statement made by the prosecution?? She really just let me know she watched the news because she doesn’t know what Jodi was writing!! Plus, she claims Juan was too fast so I guess she watched HLNs Cliff’s notes!

        • Both juror # 8 and # 6 mention Jodi’s doodling …. interesting. How were the supposed to know she wasn’t taking notes?

          • She was taking notes, and for good reason, so that morons wouldn’t be able to sit there and lip read what was being said.

        • One more thing, Juan SHOULD have used notes. His arguments were nonlinear and difficult to follow! Half of the time he forgot his own original question once he started harassing the witness. On top of that, he didn’t use notes because he only wanted to shove the autopsy pictures down everyone’s throats whenever he could!

        • Her claiming that Jodi was ‘doodling” is beyond crap!
          She wasnt doodling NOR was she drawing as some people have suggested.I remember one day I commented that had she been drawing(or doodling,it’s the same to me) her hand would have a kinda ‘flowing’ movement.But if we pay close attention to her hand and arm movements ,we’ll see that she would slightly raise it the way we do at the end of a word(or letter,for those who do not connect the letters together).She was writing!That’s why every now and then she would nidge Wilmott,show her what she wrote and Wilmott would write an answer back.
          F**k those jurors,they were such idiots they got it ALL backwards!

  112. jm babbled allot .. big portion of his address was redundant and all blame factors with nasty slurs . . i thought he was boring

    • I dont think he babbled.I think he was intentionally using and manipulating speech to disorient and confuse everybody in that courtroom,jurors and witnesses included.

  113. Has anyone else had problems posting on OccupyHLN? I just went there, and 5 posts just disappeared into thin air. Also, the links wouldn’t work.

    Also there is a sudden flood of Mormon trolls over there.

    Those people are scary.

    • Milan, I think their website is down and being upgraded but they are active on facebook.

    • You know, just to add, that it is so nice to have at least one place where you can talk to other sensible, intelligent people without being lynch-mobbed by those insane HLN/LDS blitz people.

      It’s impossible to have an opinion without them all coming out of the woodwork to shout you down.

      • That’s interesting! I got a message that something was wrong with the certificate when I went there. These people know no bounds.

        Thanks for the info!

  114. Hmmm so this could have been reversible error on appeal if it were not for the hung jury:

    From the AZ Lawyer on the Websleuths Q&A (yes, I dug through the dirt again — glutton for punishment):

    “FYI to everyone who wondered about the “no provision for parole” issue. Apparently, AZ’s “Truth in Sentencing” laws, effective 1994, abolished parole for everyone committing a crime after that time. Who knew? (Well, probably all the criminal lawyers, lol.) I can’t find any AZ case assessing whether this was constitutional, but it probably is…UNLESS someone is given a sentence after 1994 that specifically says they are eligible for parole after X number of years. Then I think, as JM said, that person would have a right to FORCE the state to consider their application for parole after X years.

    BUT when I look at the capital case sentencing statutes, they do NOT say that the “25-to-life” sentence means the defendant is eligible for parole after 25 years. They say, “If the defendant is sentenced to life, the defendant shall not be released on any basis until the completion of the service of twenty-five calendar years…” That, to me, does NOT grant the right to apply for parole. It just says that IF parole is ever an option in AZ again, then the defendant CANNOT get parole until 25 years are served.

    So I think JM was wrong about this. He was arguing as though the sentence would be “life with eligibility for parole after 25 years” instead of “life with NO eligibility for parole until at least after 25 years.””

    • that was confusing, . . jms drive was for dp . . the foreman even said it wasn’t absolutely clear .. that needs to be addressed too in appeal

      • Unfortunately, since the penalty phase was a mistrial, it now can’t be addressed on appeal.

  115. need a memory refresh . . can’t remember with all the tricks tossed in like demarte did . . was the ninja story brought during trial?

  116. Im getting so tired its 3:15 in the morning so will she you tomorrow and If you dont here from me please don’t let me stay in the shower for 5 day with out asking where the hell I am

  119. I posted on Jodi’s twitter, jodiannarias.com that HLN=LOSERS. That went over well. Even the admin of HLN twitter had choice words for me. I was called a cunt, man killer etc. it was rabid. I had a few people agree with me. I was attacked by my looks and for 49, IMO I look good, LOL fuck them. I then said how will HLN stay in business without Jodi and I hope they get cancelled. That got me a few more attacks. Seriously, there is not going to be another victim like Jodi for them to attack and persecute, long after they are long gone and NG is locked on the nut house for the criminally insane. My point, no Jodi supporters behave this way. None attack non players ( trial watchers ) witnesses etc but TA supporters why? The complete lack of a moral compass. I have a few quick questions. I know y’all have the answers.
    Does anyone know how Ms LaViolet is doing and hopefully better than ever. If Jury misconduct, I am sure that occurred, will there be a retrial? Also, I was born on Maricopa County and will be visiting this summer. Does anyone know if I can get on Jodi’s visitors list and can I take her some toiletries and food items etc. money also? This was such a farce of justice. I was do happy no death penalty. I am sure we can all come together and find a way or ways to help Jodi. Great job on the site Asmin. I hope no other juries will be non sequestered. We need to go over everything we can and find some errors. I hope a few of the Jutors read this sure and help us, even anonymously. Any lawyers or non biased Judges can you help? The TA family is happy to continue this forever and DP would have given them more sympathy for the uninformed, biased masses to keep making them rich off this case. Tabitha had a facial peel on your dime dummies. Get a clue all you page stalkers. They didn’t even like Travis in life and are using him in death. You people are supporting this travesty. Do you feel duped. Then come join the real victim, Jodi.
    Party

    • Isn’t it amazing, Patty. You posted something very simple, and got called all sorts of disgusting names, accused of being a man killer yourself, and attacked even about your looks — as if that’s pertinent to anything. That’s just disgusting. What has our society devolved into?

      I can answer one of your questions. If jury misconduct could be proven and could be shown that it affected the verdict, an appellate court *may* overturn the verdict and remand the case for retrial.

      Arizona Supreme Court has clearly decided that prior knowledge of the case alone is insufficient to disqualify a juror. In one case, where jurors were seen in the lunchroom with newspapers, it wasn’t enough to justify juror misconduct, because an investigation by the court was made where the jurors were questioned individually and no prejudice was shown. Jodi’s jurors were questioned individually several times. Arizona Supreme Court opined that: “Juror misconduct warrants a new trial only if “the defense shows actual prejudice or if prejudice may be fairly presumed from the facts.” In a criminal case, prejudice may be presumed from “any private communication, contact or tampering directly or indirectly, with a juror during a trial about the matter pending before the jury.” “Once the defendant shows that the jury has received and considered extrinsic evidence, prejudice must be presumed and a new trial granted unless the prosecutor proves beyond a reasonable doubt that the extrinsic evidence did not taint the verdict.” … Prejudice cannot be presumed without the requisite showing that the jury received and considered extrinsic evidence on the issues. ”

      There may be more avenues on appeal in this case (US Supreme Court — if they hear the case, or federal Habeas Corpus relief (further down the line)) which may view this differently however. But I think that’s a little different relief than you’re presently asking about, so I’ll leave it here.

      • I also want to add that praying for a new trial may not be in Jodi’s best interests. Prosecutors learn a lot in the first trial and are almost always more successful in new trials. Just a caveat.

  120. How does it feel Juan and the state of Arizona to have used everything in your arsenal including sex, lies and videotape and yet still you can’t blow your load? Move on. It’s time to get a new hobby. You’re just making yourselves look pathetic and sulky now.

    • I still do not see how they got premeditated. She played them?? These people had their mind made up from a set of pictures.

    • To these jurors I say:

      Too bad, so sad, time to fade away. Your “work” is done, you failed to get four more rational people to go along with your bias. Go back to watching HLN, not that you ever stopped.

    • Wow! That was interesting, and more interesting was to read all the comments posted below the story. What a bunch of haters.

      • I can’t bring myself to read any comments on any sites besides here now. It is bad for my mental health, and I don’t like to me tempted into try to argue with idiots, wanna be murders ect.

        Not worth the energy.

  122. If I may indulge you all for a moment, I’d like to talk about the “evidence” of abuse and premeditation of murder in my case, and compare that to the evidence in Jodi’s case. I know I’ve bored many of you talking about myself before, and I don’t want sympathy, which is not the point of my post. I just woke up thinking about all of this and comparing this with what got Jodi convicted and what didn’t get my ex-husband to trial.

    What evidence of abuse do I have?

    I have photos of a bruise in the shape of his fist mark on my stomach, but apparently that doesn’t prove anything (although I always hoped if he kills me at some point, his fist might be able to be forensically matched with the first mark in the photo — but I have less confidence in that after this trial).

    I have a journal I kept solely dealing with his abuse for the last 6 months before he was arrested and his many statements that he was going to kill me, which I’d sent to friends.

    I have emails I wrote to friends telling them to be sure to contact certain people in law enforcement if I suddenly went missing because I was in fear for my life.

    Then, on the night he tried to kill me, I have a video of him standing over me wearing a surgical glove brandishing a wine bottle saying he’s going to kill me with it. That’s my only evidence of abuse.

    After the police arrived that night, I gave a sworn recorded statement to the officer who arrested him. The police report details his statement that yes, he did don a surgical glove and picked up a wine bottle, but he only did that because I said I was going to call the police and so, he was going to hit himself in the head with the bottle and tell the police I did it so that we could both spend the night in jail. That statement was enough for the police to arrest him for the felony of aggravated assault with a deadly weapon.

    What evidence do I have of his premeditated attempt to kill me?

    He’d bought super heavy duty garbage bags that day which he says on the video are to dispose of my body so he could dump me into the ocean after he cut me up.

    He’d also bought luminol and a crime scene clean up kit to erase signs of blood, which he said he knew exactly how to do from his experience erasing signs of blood out of the pools he cleaned for a living.

    He’d also packed a suitcase with some of my things, which he said he was going to dispose of with my body, so it looked like I left on a trip.

    He said he planned to spent that night with his mistress, come home and find me not there. Then, he would notice my suitcase missing several days later, call my cell phone, and after I didn’t respond for several days or a week, he would then contact the police. If I was ever found, it would be assumed I left on a trip and something happened along the way. Since I don’t drive, the obvious suspect would be a cab driver.

    I wasn’t actually killed that night because (a) he finally noticed me videotaping and said “Oh you think you’re so smart” and I told him I’d already sent the video to a friend and (b) that gave me the split second I needed to call the police and they arrived very quickly.

    If I hadn’t managed the call to police, and I’d been killed that night, it still wouldn’t be enough evidence of abuse or premeditation, because there were no eyewitnesses to him ever abusing me. And he’d told plenty of people the reason I never left the house was (a) because I was crazy and afraid to go out or (b) I was ill with cancer and too weak to leave the house, so no one thought twice about the fact that I was never seen. And, of course, my body, the garbage bags, luminol and crime scene clean up kit would have been disposed of, along with my suitcase.

    What did a prosecutor in Fl do with all of this?

    None of what I had was enough corroboration for the prosecutor to think it was worthy of being brought before a jury. It was only deemed worthy of the prosecutor offering a plea bargain of community service and probation which he refused to accept. As I was told by the prosecutor, the fact that I was trying to separate from him at that time, had told a few people that I was trying to leave, and had even spoken to a lawyer about divorce, would have been brought into evidence and jury may have viewed it as that we were simply arguing as divorcing couples do. And the fact that he had at least one mistress he’d been spending nights with could have been portrayed as me being jealous. Therefore, my case wasn’t perfect enough for the prosecutor to bring it before a jury.

    Think about that for a second and then think about the evidence of premeditation that got Jodi convicted by a jury: a car rental in another state, gas cans and gas purchases, a phone that died (or she turned off), and a burglary of a gun of the same caliber used on Travis (although he was actually killed with a knife and the bullet he was shot with was not the same as the bullets loaded in the gun), a DVD player and some cash — all of which could have been coincidental.

    My ex had it all planned out perfectly — and in my opinion, a lot better planning than was presented about Jodi’s so-called premeditation. I’m sure if I’d fought back that night and killed my ex instead, I’d be in Jodi’s shoes. I had a little more evidence of abuse than she did — but not much.

    Sorry for bothering you all. I just can’t stop thinking about how completely effed up this country in and how when a woman claims abuse, she gets railroaded almost all of the time.

    • AA

      I am speechless. You are an amazing survivor.

      I read an article entitled Blind Justice which focusing on all the problems with the death penalty. One area focused on is how jurors are not given the information about how the instant crime compares to others similarly prosecuted – how often more heinous crimes are not subject to the death penalty.

      Your case points this out. Extensive evidence of premeditation, attempted murder, conspiracy, abuse – yet no jury ever had the chance to hear this. The part about you already planning to leave – well documented by DV experts and police that a woman is most at risk right before she leaves and right after.

      You had evidence which most abuse victims do not – and still you did not get justice – the abuser was not held accountable.

      And you continue to suffer while the abuser just keeps living his life as if nothing happened.

      • AA.. you have survived your own travesty of justice and thank God you are here to educate.

        I’m increasingly aware that once women appeared to be equal, we in fact have been and are being

        subject to gross discrimination.

      • sz, please see my response from yesterday & sorry, was not in a good mood.

        AA-unfortunately, I know that happens, all too well, after both myself went through multiple beatings with hospital documented injuries, (which “mysteriously” disappeared, ie: both of his sisters worked in that hospitals administration), documented-or I thought “documented” visits by the Sherrif’s deputies that responded and basically told me that if I left him alone when he was drunk, I wouldn’t be getting hurt. “Quit pressing his buttons and you won’t have to call us”. Then they would take my ex back to his parents house, (nothing for him driving out there drunk in the first place), or his brothers house, their boss, the Sheriff. (3 yrs after I moved, for a “final” hearing on my children, the sheriffs office told my attorney the DV Reports were “still being processed and are unavailable for court.)
        My kids who witnessed everything as hard as I tried to keep them away, were not allowed to testify because “of possible psych effects it could have on them). My pictures of injuries-thrown out because I was “clumsy” because of my genetic disorder and they said they could have been caused “by anything”. My friends and neighbors who eventually I couldn’t hide the truth from anymore wanted to, but were denied ability to testify because they said it was “heresay”.
        Basically, especially down south, (I was in North Fl), where you’ve got “the good ole boy network”, especially when your abuser has the law enforcement and judicial ties my ex did-things were twisted so that everything was MY fault, that because I began seeing the man who eventually became my 2nd husband, an emotional abuser who I thought was my knight in shining armour, 5 YEARS after I started divorce proceedings-I was an “adulteress” and may as well walked around with a Scarlett A on my back.
        Bottom line though? I later became a DV Counselor, and found that this happens to women with exes that have NO TIES to things like mine did. ESPECIALLY in the “deep south”, even trying to get a restraining order is a miracle if they’ll even hear your case. And you’d damn well better have some MAJOR evidence to prove you’re in danger!! It’s SICKENING how they treated 99% of my clients.
        My former DV counselor, now an attorney for women, says things have gotten “much better”. During one of the 3 days/wk they hear requests for OP’s (RO’s -restraining orders/orders of protection), they do between 15 and 20 cases/day. When I worked as an advocate, we were lucky to get 1-2/WEEK approved!!(the 90’s-2001) Now? 1-2/day!!
        DOCUMENT EVERYTHING, KEEP A JOURNAL, SHARE WITH FRIENDS-basically everything AA did, you never know. Maybe one day the violence some men perpetrate against women will FINALLY BE SEEN BY *ALL* AS UNACCEPTABLE UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCE!!

        • Wow, Lainey – “Quit pressing his buttons and you won’t have to call us”!? Disgusting comment by deputies.

        • Actually, Lainey, I think things have gotten worse. We were better off with an underground DV movement that actually helped women. Now, the nonprofits get richer and we get less help. And the Fathers Rights groups have produced manuals on how to screw us over. I was astounded to see in print on a website the exact strategy my ex and his assrat lawyer used against me. It was followed to a “t”.

          • That’s true AA, but the “fathers rights” movements were around in ’93, I know, because psyco boy, my 1st marriage nightmare, was in touch with them through the university computers-they’re just easier to find now.
            Chris, my incredible former DV counselor then attorney, says things have died down a bit as far as the good ole boys network-at least in north Fl. A few too many high profile cases-and a few wonderful attorney’s, came down on the judges, parental eval’s, lawyers, etc. (like mine), and quite a few people lost their jobs in the years after my case. Just wish it had been earlier. My former BIL lost his job over messing with an underage girl once-then got caught AGAIN, as Sheriff, and married, chasing a “barely legal” young lady-who didn’t appreciate his advances. With both grandma & grandpa dead, the sisters “retired” from the hospital, and a brother who owned a “pub” frequented by the above court officers (that lost the bar because they’d put it up as collateral for the $300/hr bulldog that came after me-before “firing” my psychboy for lying to her), was busted for drugs-at least THAT family can’t play the courts anymore.
            Oh, and I’m sure I’ve mentioned it, but psychboy died in 2010. Karma’s a bitch.
            I’ve talked to people in other States that also say they’re having a little more success-even if its just baby steps.
            Then again, a friend in North Alabama where I lived for awhile, said that once the “Bible thumping racists” took the town back in 2009, they lost every bit of gain they had made in 20years…..
            I HAVE to keep hope that things WILL IMPROVE. Although, after this case and the attitude of verbal and emotional abuse not being “real” abuse-THAT, and the treatment of Alyce, were two huge punches to our movement… 🙁

      • Sz, do you still have a link to that article? It sounds interesting.

        Yep, a little more evidence than some women have, but NOT enough, apparently.

        In that police department’s jurisdiction, advocates told me there were women in the hospital with broken limbs, split lips and black eyes, and still, they wouldn’t make arrests. I got lucky that night. The officer had just returned from active military duty and had to go through retraining before going back on the beat. As part of that retraining, they educated on domestic violence. That was mostly because the county was trying to take away domestic violence calls from that police department and assign them to the sheriff’s office instead.

        Interesting that that’s exactly the area my ex insisted we live. As I said to my fiance the other night, he also had a great interest in living in AZ!!!!

        And yes, he lives his life with the business I bought, driving the cars I bought, and living in the beautiful house I bought. He told his mistress (the one after me) that once the divorce was gone and he had everything, he was planning on plastic surgery to make himself look younger. Then, he said, neither she nor I would be pretty enough for him. He’d be moving on to much better looking women.

        To be honest, though, I deserve no praise for anything. I was terrified beyond belief that night, and I’d lived in hell for years, but I had spoken to hotlines for months and I was ready in the event he tried to kill me — which I knew was coming. Most of my decisions — which went against the advice of hotlines — such as telling him I wanted a divorce, were very foolish ones which made me very vulnerable. I should have sneaked off without him knowing, and if I had my life to live over, I’d have made much better plans. I didn’t realize how much worse he’d get after his arrest. I never thought he’d leave me high and dry as he did — and I really didn’t believe he’d do what he did to the pets, even if he hated me enough to kill me. I got lucky that the police arrested him, very lucky. From that point forward, I didn’t really have choices. I *had* to move when I was left with no income, no water, no phone and no internet in the house — and no way to get around since I don’t drive. All I did was put one foot in front of the other — with a lot of support from two amazing friends who lived far away from me, but held my hand metaphorically.

    • AA, unbelievable what your ex did. I don’t know much about abuse, just what I learned from ALV’s testimony. Do abusers abuse every person they are having an intimate relationship with, in other words, when he was abusing you, do you think he was abusing his mistress though on a lesser scale since you were the main person in his life? Now that you have gotten away from him, do you think he has transferred all of his abuse and violence to his mistress or another intimate? Will you always have to live your life looking over your shoulder because of him, or will another person in his life replace you as target of abuse? With the passage of time, do abusers ever forget about their initial target? Sorry for all these questions. I am concerned for your safety.

      • Krikee, I’m glad to try to answer your questions to the best of my knowledge:

        >>>Do abusers abuse every person they are having an intimate relationship with,

        Yes and no. They begin every relationship generally speaking with the woman (or man in the case of gay relationships) on a pedestal. They praise and admire everything about the woman. They are the perfect boyfriend (which is one of the reasons that their later behaviour seems so out of character). If their relationships are short-lived (generally a year or less), they may never progress to the level of abuse. That is why you will often hear of other women abusers had relationships with who were not abused. (Deanna, for example.)

        My ex maintains (or did) a close friendship with a girl he dated in high school. He cheated on her and one night when she was drunk, she described him as a complete ass to her and said he hit her then. She was very heavy then. Now, she’s a reporter often seen on TV, very slender and attractive. I put what she said down to him been young, drunk, stupid. Did he abuse her a bit? Well, cheating is abuse. But does she think of it that way now? Maybe only when she’s very drunk. I don’t know. That was the only conversation I ever had with her when she was drunk and he wasn’t around. It was his high school reunion. I was the trophy wife he was showing off. And he was busy checking out any other girls from high school who looked like possible victims, I’m sure.

        My ex was someone I dated for about a little less than year and a half from 1991-1992. He was THE perfect boyfriend, or so I thought. But I was young, and there were many red flags I missed, which I now see in retrospect. We didn’t live together. He had pursued me for about 3 years before I agreed to go out with him. He didn’t pursue aggressively. He is very good at that (and also, at any given time, he has multiple interests, so I was merely one of them — of course, I didn’t know that then.) He was just “there”, calling once in a while, offering to bring me soup if I was sick, just a generally nice nice guy. He was a guy who lived with his grandmother and looked after her. He’d never been married (so he said — that was also a lie), and was 36-37 when we first dated (I was 24 and we broke up before I turned 26). (What I didn’t know was that he was broke and had to move in with his grandmother, of course.) He drove a Corvette which has only 2 seats. There were many occasions where he had to pick up a “friend” from the airport or meet a “friend” in from out of town. I didn’t have trust issues so I never doubted he was up to anything. There were also nights when he had recorded his favourite shows, but had to watch them in a particular order, so we couldn’t get together. Sure, I thought that was an eccentricity that he needed to watch Roseanne followed by Doogie Howser followed by Law & Order (or whatever the order was) but I never doubted he was up to anything nefarious. Another red flag should have been his Valentine’s Day dinner that he promised to spend with a “friend”. They’d committed to it a year before, he said, while they were both single and he couldn’t let her down. Jokingly, I asked if he was going to sleep with her too, to make her Valentine’s Day complete. He responded in all seriousness, “Well, I don’t intend to.” I can look back at all of this now with clarity, but back then I didn’t see these red flags at all. If he said he would call at 10 p.m., that phone would ring by no later than 10:01. It was quite impressive. Of course, I later learned from his notes that was one of his tactics. But back then, I never doubted him at all. In fact, many years later, during our marriage, I didn’t distrust him until the end. I never knew he’d been cheating on me all along. In fact, I skipped those chapters of the books about abuse because I was so sure he wasn’t one. Little did I know.

        One day, out of nowhere, he broke up with me. There were no fights, no arguments. In fact, we never disagreed about anything. I was devastated. I thought we were heading to marriage. He simply got up after a wonderful night together, on a weekday morning, and told me he didn’t think he could go any further with our relationship. The night before, he’d been swearing his undying love. It was bizarre and heart wrenching. Little did I know that this was his particular modus operandi. He leaves women heartbroken. He can always go back. And, as his notes say (that I found after his arrest), women will always break up, get divorced, or become widowed. If he leaves on a perfect note and needs them later on, they will take him back with open arms. His goal is only to keep tabs on them, and make sure he knows where they are and their status. Facebook became a major tool for him in doing just that. Now, he’s on LinkedIn for the same purposes.

        What actually happened that I had no idea about is that he had been arrested for trading violations in 1989-1990. He had convinced his family and friends to invest their hard-earned savings in his trading funds. He had used their money to buy cars, a fur coat, and entertain women. However, he had sent them monthly statements showing the profits he was making. They were overjoyed. Someone at the clearing house he used, ratted him out to the government (probably on a plea deal of their own). He accepted a plea himself, for mail fraud, and sold out someone else in the process. But he had to spend 9 months in a federal penitentiary. He had apparently researched his available options and discovered the cushiest one he would be eligible for was in Allentown, PA. An old girlfriend of his lived in NY city — not that far away. In anticipation of his sentence, he had begun communicating with her again. He had often talked about her. She had been a model. But he said she made him incredibly miserable and he just couldn’t stand her. I’m sure that wasn’t the truth. Somehow, he was working on persuading her to marry him — which would then make him eligible for that prison. I’m sure he didn’t tell her about the prison thing either — or if he did, he sold it as a sob story. He was a MASTER at manipulation.

        So, knowing he had her hooked, he broke up with me and began going to NY to see her. However, he continued to imply to me that there was a possibility of us working out and we continued to get together a couple of times a week for dinner and sex, and he spent the night. This went on for about a month. (See any familiarity here with Travis?) One night, I said “I love you” while we were making love. He looked at me and for the first time (as I now realize) showed his true face. He said “The problem here is that you’re making love and I’m having sex.” I was terribly upset. I told him we had to stop seeing one another. That didn’t deter him at all. He kept calling and arriving at my apartment. In fact, my birthday was a couple of weeks later and he showed up with my favourite candy and was very upset that I wouldn’t let him in and didn’t want to make love to him (that time, he referred to it as “making love”, of course, not “sex”).

        My birthday is June 20. On July 4, he married this woman in NY. It was a big lavish wedding in a church. His family flew out there. I didn’t know that at the time, of course. But do you see how he successfully kept everything from me? When he returned to Chicago the following Sunday night after his wedding, he called me. I asked him again to stop calling. He said “Well, I thought I’d tell you about my weekend. I was in NY and I got married to (ex-girlfriend).” I will never forget my shock. My question was stupid: “Are you wearing a wedding ring?” He said he was. I never took another of his calls from that time onwards. He apparently continued to live in Chicago, with his wife in NY until Thanksgiving. He called then to tell me he was moving to NY and although I’d been ignoring all his calls and cards, he wanted to wish me well. The real truth was that he had to surrender to prison immediately after Thanksgiving — but I didn’t know that then.

        So, as you can see, he didn’t abuse me physically during our relationship the first time — that’s the reason for my lengthy answer. Was there some element of emotional abuse in there that I didn’t realize? I guess probably yes. Why was a married man continuing to call me? Why did an engaged man expect to have sex with me two weeks before his wedding? How did he keep so much from me for the year and a half we dated when I saw him almost every day, went away on vacations with him, and spent time around his family?

        Just to finish the story about that wife, apparently within a year of him getting out of prison, she asked him to meet her at her therapist’s office. She served him with a restraining order. She had moved all his stuff out of her apartment an into a different apartment she had found for him, while he was at work that day. She served him with divorce papers shortly thereafter. Clever girl! Of course, when he came back into my life sometime later, she was the biggest bitch in the world. I never knew about the trading scam, the prison sentence, or what really happened that day in the therapist’s office until after he was arrested for killing me.

        >>> in other words, when he was abusing you, do you think he was abusing his mistress though on a lesser scale since you were the main person in his life?

        He had many many many mistresses — hundreds (and I’m not kidding). I lost count at about 170 when I went through his records. He kept meticulous notes. I wish I’d saved them. They would have been a psychotherapist’s dream look into the mind of an abuser. He was also with men (are they “masters” LOL?) I have no idea if he abused any or them or not — other than the one that he moved in with right after his arrest for trying to kill me. He began controlling her almost immediately. She was abused by her ex-husband, but had never gone to therapy about it. She was a very easy victim. I assumed the poor girl would have at least 6 months of bliss with him. I was wrong about that. He was wonderful for less than a month before he began manipulating her and lying to her.

        He had begun seeing her in the January before he tried to kill me. But he’d been obsessed with her for years (among many others). He had captured every post she ever made on Facebook. He had every picture she’d posted. He had meticulous notes of his every conversation with her. I knew about her actually. I didn’t know he was pursuing her though. She had dated our next-door neighbour with whom ogre (my ex) had many run-ins. He’d driven that man almost mad. Ogre had begun following this girl (I’ll call her dogsitter) when she’d been dating the neighbour. When they broke up, he stalked her on FB. He even told me a little about it. He was hoping she’d reveal something about the neighbour. He’d managed to friend her on FB, under one of his many many aliases. She posted something about being afraid of someone. He assumed it was the neighbour. He initiated a chat with her. Then, gave her his number. He frightened her about how crazy he’d discovered the neighbour was. They talked some more. Then, he invited her for coffee. She lived halfway between our house and where his father came to during the winter. He told her all about his wonderful marriage, at first. Later, he told her I was very ill — his attempt to garner sympathy. This went on for a couple of years, at least. I even remember him talking to her while I was in the room and overhearing her say “Tell her hi, and I hope she comes for coffee one of these times.”

        She is a lot like me, the same age, likes the same music. In fact, one of the ways he pursued her was by claiming to know a lot about my favourite band which was also her favourite band. He hated them, but knew a lot about them from me. In January, 2011 he told her we were getting a divorce and he needed to seek her counsel because she had been divorced. He told her he never had. He told her he was devastated. He said I had filed for divorce and I had a wealthy boyfriend with his own plane. He was flying in to see me and staying in the house. He had to put up with all of that! She felt sooo sorry for him.

        In February, actually right around Valentine’s Day, he had strangely given me permission to come to the DC area to check it out. That’s when he first got her into bed. But get this, I later saw that he charged a very expensive dinner on Valentine’s Day to my account. In addition, he bought a very expensive piece of artwork. I assumed he had taken her out and bought her that artwork. When she and I finally talked, and I asked her, no. He actually took her out the night before, to a restaurant he had a gift card for, that one of his family members sent us for Christmas. By then, he had her. He was working on someone else playing the big shot. (Again, sound like Travis?)

        I figured out he was seeing her when I walked into his room that he used as an office one evening and saw a FB chat where she was telling him how big his penis was. He didn’t think I saw it. By then, he was telling me that he was throwing me out of the house. I had returned from DC (after staying longer as I learned MORE about his past which frightened me) on 2/28. He gave me until the end of March to be out of the house or he was going to throw me out. The abuse had escalated incredibly by then.

        I got some kind of crazy courage and confronted him about dogsitter on March 12. He denied it. I told him he couldn’t lie to me and that I knew. I told him I was psychic. He knew I often had intuitions, but he thought I couldn’t read him. I told him that was when I loved him and I no longer did. I stood up to him for the first time in 13 years. What a stupid mistake. I was basically giving him everything he needed to kill me. He demanded he be allowed to spend the night with her. I told him he could. I just wanted a night of peace, to be honest. I didn’t want to be beaten anymore. When he came back the next day, he tried to be nice, telling me he was so worried about moving in with her. Her dogs annoyed him. He wouldn’t be able to sleep. Then, he began describing sex with her and how she told me he was much better endowed than the neighbour. I vomited. But I tried to remain calm. I was hoping to get him out of there. That was my goal. He told me all about several other women he’d been with. He also told me that he had “gay tendencies” but he could suppress them. (I’d previously caught him watching gay porn and asked about it, worried he was gay and afraid to come out.)

        That night, he harassed me all night, dragging me from bed by my hair, etc., etc. By morning, he was livid that I wasn’t going to back down. I told him there was NO way I was going to let him live in the house with me, beat me, and spend whatever nights he wanted with her. I thought I was being clever. Now, I realize how stupid I was. I just didn’t know how to get out of there without some sort of help from him. I was isolated.

        That night, he came home and tried to kill me. He went straight to her house the following day when his father bailed him out. She took him in. He admitted some of the story to her, but fabricated a bunch of BS about my imaginary boyfriend also being there, but leaving before the police came. When she asked why he took a wine bottle to me, he cried his fake tears. She never asked again. At first, he went to parties with her and was Mr. Happy. In fact, just 3 days after his arrest for trying to kill me, she posted a picture on FB of them happy at a party. My friends were pretty horrified. I felt awful … for her.

        Within weeks, he’d taken over the room she used for her computer. He was controlling her life. He hated her friends. He hated her family. It was amazing to me when she told me how quickly he did all of this. It took him years with me. I used to watch her FB wall. I was worried about her. I felt so guilty. I thought I’d pushed him onto her and that she was going to end up in my situation. I could see the deterioration in her from a happy funny girl into someone who was depressed. I was astounded it was occurring so quickly.

        In May, she called me. She’d thrown him out. What happened was that she had a gay male friend who had a fight with his partner. He asked her if he could spend the night at her place. She said sure. Ogre, who wasn’t even paying her rent, was livid. How dare she agree to that without asking him? Gay male friend and dogsitter sat up all night. He saw what ogre was. He saw how secretive and evasive he was. He told her ogre was bad for her. Dogsitter decided to do a bit of snooping on ogre. He locked up the computer when he was out, but a few days later, he went to the bathroom and she sneaked in there and looked. She saw some of his emails from me (we had previously communicated about the business as he stole it). She saw some between him and his lawyer. She knew she was being lied to. Gay male friend looked up the court docket and told her that he filed for divorce from me AFTER his arrest. Gay male friend decided to stay a few more nights. Ogre was even more livid. One day, when he thought gay male friend was out (but he was in the bathroom), he went to strike her. Gay male friend threw him out, tossing all his stuff after him.

        That’s when she called me to get the real story. I told her everything I knew. We talked for hours, multiple times. Ogre moved right in with someone else. She was a customer of his who he mocked, a former stripper. He always had plenty of women lined up.

        So that’s a long answer to your question. Generally, they abuse one woman at a time. They pursue and romance the others. But he didn’t have much control over me left — although he was abusing me in other ways. So, he was about to start physically abusing her.

        >>Now that you have gotten away from him, do you think he has transferred all of his abuse and violence to his mistress or another intimate?

        Possibly. It’s been two years now since he tried to assault dogsitter. It’s unlikely he could hold it in for this long. Former stripper was arrested for something domestic related last year, when my lawyer looked her up (shortly before my pleadings were stricken in the divorce because I refused to give him my new address). He may have figured out how to beat the system by claiming a woman is abusing him by now. He learns quickly. He’s probably moved on from her and has someone else. When I was working on the appeal of my divorce, I checked a few Google Earth shots of the house and there’s another car outside repeatedly. That may be the next one. Dogsitter also told me that he’d somehow gotten back in touch with ex-wife in NY and was trying to woo her to move to FL. She has cancer and not long to live, and was recently divorced. She was trying to forgive everyone. Perhaps she’s the new (old) victim. I’m sure there’s someone. He always has someone.

        Occasionally, he’d admit the truth about himself. He said he never left one relationship in his life until he had another one lined up and ready. Other little admissions are things like his FB profile which read “A delightful mix of arrogance, insolence and narcissism.” Or his custom license plates “Mr Wrong” on the Corvette he convinced me to buy. He tried to convince dogsitter to buy him a car for their wedding, so he may have a different car by now. But I bet he still has those plates.

        >>>Will you always have to live your life looking over your shoulder because of him, or will another person in his life replace you as target of abuse?

        Yes, I will ALWAYS look over my shoulder. The entire divorce and all his attempts in the appeal were focused on trying to find my address. I outed him. I wrote to his family. I told all the neighbours. I told some of the customers. He has an arrest record. His mugshot is on the internet. I am the devil incarnate as far as he’s concerned.

        When my pleadings were stricken in the divorce (because I refused to obey the judge’s order and give him my new home and work address), and I was barred from participating in my own divorce, he could have simply proceeded with a default divorce, and kept the cars, the house, the business — all of which I bought. Instead, he omitted the business from the assets as if it never existed. And he asked for reimbursement of legal fees and costs (for the expenses incurred in trying to force me to give him my address). He has a judgment of $31,000 against me. He can domesticate it here any time he wants. MD won’t let him enforce it while the divorce is on appeal though. If I lose the appeal, he can then enforce it. He has the right to track me down, garnish my wages, and my bank accounts. He’ll have this right for 10 years, renewable for another 10 after that. If I lose the appeal, and the Supreme Court of FL will not grant me a writ of certiorari to hear it, I’m a walking dead woman.

        Last year, right before my pleadings were stricken, my stupid lawyer revealed in court that I work in DC and the hour I work until regularly. Shortly thereafter, a man put his hand under my jacket as I was descending the escalator to get on the train. I freaked. I thought it was ogre sticking a knife in me. I thought I was dead. The man got away, dumping his shirt and cap in the garbage before the police arrived. The police assumed it was some pervert. But I figured there was a connection. It was the night before an important hearing. My fiance (then boyfriend) found a tracking device on me, after we drove all over creation. I stood out like a sore thumb as a blonde with big boobs, 4’11”. It wasn’t hard to find me. Call me crazy, but I know ogre was behind that. I changed my appearance and there are no pictures of me online. I don’t allow it.

        I’m engaged now and I live with my fiance. Ogre he probably knows a bit about my fiance’s family, that they’re super close, that he has a father, lots of uncles and two brothers. Ogre, like most abusers, is afraid of confrontations with men. That might be the best deterrent.

        >>With the passage of time, do abusers ever forget about their initial target?

        Sometimes, yes. Sometimes, no. There are abusers who come back 10 or even 20 years later. Many experts think the greatest danger is the first two years after you leave. Often by then, they’ve moved on. But if something goes wrong with that one, that’s when they come back looking for the old ones. I would be on his hit list because I told people — people who he didn’t want to know, whether they believed me or not. He had a LOT of damage control to do because of me. With the appeal still pending, I’m probably not too far from his thoughts.

        I wasn’t his initial target either. Remember, he has gone back to ex-wife in NY at least twice that I know of. He had another wife who died under mysterious circumstances. Given that he was poisoning me with arsenic, and also tried poisoning dogsitter, I think we can figure out what happened. Since neither of us knew about the poisoning until after he was gone, neither of us had a case that was provable. He also had another wife/or long term girlfriend (she used his last name, but we didn’t find marriage records … yet) that has been missing for decades. What happened to her?

        >>>Sorry for all these questions.

        Any time! I’m always glad to help educate on the dangers of these men. Sorry for the very long answers. It’s difficult to summarize. I’ve learned a lot about these creeps. They’re ALL the same. Sometimes, often, the similarities are so great that it’s really scary.

        >>I am concerned for your safety.

        Thank you. Me too. But for now, I’m safe.

        • That is extraordinary. Once your appeal is resolved, I hope you will seriously consider writing a book about him. The note-taking is fascinating. My ex did this as well but not in as much detail. The comments on his toolkit, as it were, were interspersed with his artist’s sketches, since he fancied himself one. I thought it extremely peculiar… Why leave a trail of breadcrumbs? But that must be the narcissist’s urge.

          AA, I can hardly bring myself to talk much less write about what I went through. Not in specifics, that is. I hope everyone appreciates the kind of strength it takes to write about what you describe. Thank you so much for sharing what you have.

          • That’s amusing, FreshAirBreather, my ex fancied himself an architect. Interspersed with his notes were multiple architectural sketches of the homes he was going to buy when he got rich!

            I wish more women would talk about what they went through. I don’t understand really why so many are ashamed and fear talking about it. No offense meant to you. But the more we talk, the more we break our silence. We did nothing wrong, nothing to be ashamed of. And anything we perceive as “wrong” was just something we did to survive.

            I love Tori Amos’s “Silent All These Years”: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_jXRi6cu9A

            “Yes I know what you think of me, you never shut up.”

            “Sometimes, I hear my voice, and it’s been years … silent all these years.”

        • AA, my head is spinning reading about your ex. He’s an abuser, a killer, liar, cheater, a mini Bernie Madoff, and a true psychopath that needs to be removed from society. That he took notes is sinister, but surely a necessity as he was juggling other women, each one in a different stage of his courting and abuse. Since we were privy to TA’s emails only by way of ALV’s summary and paraphrasing of them, we can only guess if TA was as efficient as your ex in identifying, singling out, courting, reeling in, demeaning, and abusing the different women he communicated with. ALV recognized right off the bat that TA was an abuser. I think most people with no experience in DV could read all of TA’s emails and not suspect him of being an abuser. I know, as cynical as I am, that I wouldn’t recognize the signs in written communications. Thanks for taking the time to respond.

          • You’re very welcome, Krikee. I hope I wasn’t too longwinded!

            I would imagine there was a LOT more on Travis’s computer and perhaps in his journals that the Hughes got and that will never see the light of day. They purged it to avoid his reputation being tarnished.

            I see male abusers/psychopaths pretty easily now — it’s in their eyes. What I don’t see quite as clearly yet is the females — and there are many of them. Strangely enough, I always get a feeling about them, but I fight myself on my instincts.

            I’m not religious, but I’ll tell you, once you’ve seen one of these male creatures and actually seen them without their mask, you recognize the next one pretty quickly and it’s like looking at the devil himself.

            • AA,

              I for one love hearing how you have and are overcoming the abuse! You really are a survivor, that tee shirt was made for you!
              Please never ever apologize for sharing and educating the rest of us that have not walked in your shoes. I believe that you are helping so many other people just by telling us of the horrible abuse you have endured!
              Thank you so much!!!…

            • Not at all. I do hope that one day you will write a book about your experience. It would help so many people recognize the workings of a psychopath/abuser.

              I would love to see what was in TA’s journals and his complete emails. No doubt, the Hughes were busy sanitizing them when they got back from the Cancun trip. I can’t help but think that they were already looking into his communications prior to his death. I recall a communication by TA where he asks JA if she used his phone. She told him no, only the time when she asked to use his phone in his office. Was someone else shadowing his texts and emails and did it have to do with protecting LDS, PPL or the Hughes.

              It must be an awful thing to see that look in a female.

              • Thanks Oh Really and Krikee. I have thought about writing a book and a few people have suggested that to me. But it would be emotionally quite the ordeal to write, I think. Not only that, but from checking with legal sources, he could sue me. I’d have to write it as fiction to prevent that. It was suggested that I change all names and venues.

    • AA, can I just say this? I love you! *HUGS* Please don’t EVER feel like you are bothering us. Ever. You are amazing and if there isn’t a person who wasn’t moved by your posts, then they don’t have a heart in their body. I am so grateful that you are here and alive.

    • AA,
      I dont think words will ever convey how much I admire you for being probably the strongest person I will ever meet in my life.I can now better understand why you are here and so passionately fight for our Jodi.The only abuse I ever experienced was from my father towards my mother,me and my sister.But it was nothing compared to the living hell you went through.Ours was just beating and constant swearing and name calling.I got my closure last week when he died.
      I pray that you get yours one day.
      Thank you for being part of this group shedding light on DV matters.

      • Thank you Maria. I really don’t believe I deserve any credit though. I got into a shitty situation and I got very lucky and got out right when all the stars were aligned to allow me to do so.

        Abuse is abuse is abuse. It doesn’t matter who inflicted it or the degree of it. It affects us anyway. I’m so glad that you felt your father’s passing was closure. I think I will feel the same way if I ever hear that my mother passed, assuming I hear about it, that is. I won’t attend her funeral though. You were extremely brave to do that.

        I have met some people whose abusers (parents or romantic partners) have passed and they have been stricken with grief, remembering the good times, or the relationships they could have had if things had only been different. I can’t say for sure if I will feel that way if my mother or my ex passes. I no longer think about my mother often, or her husband. However, there have been times when I have just wished my ex would die. And if I lose my appeal and he comes after me for the judgment, I have no doubt I will be thinking that way again.

        Although it rarely happens in my conscious hours, there are moments in dreams where I am conversing with him normally though. And we reminisce about the good times. So, I suspect that they do still affect me.

        Thank you for sharing that it was closure for you. That meant a lot!

    • I have to say, you have NEVER bothered me ever ever ever! You just keep right on doing what you are doing. Anything that you feel like you need or want to say then sista go ahead!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Wow AA – I so feel for you. I understand where you are coming from unfortunately. My ex was a cop and he used that position along with his cronies in the department to abuse the hell out of me and LAUGHED at me when I called 911 once. Then used terror tactics in me for doing do – such as the police were going to arrest me for calling 911 and hanging up. A cop never did come around to the house to investigate a hang up. And I came very close to offing him a few times. My sister stopped me once and my friends were a pillar of support. He once tried to push me down the stairs while holding our infant daughter. He even held a gun to my head while holding my daughter. And what a liar – if he told me the sky was blue I’d have to look up to make sure he wasn’t lying.

      To the world he was TA – sweet, charming, wonderful, great guy! I was the crazy one. What is sad so many of these types of men exist.

      Now if I killed him I would have been jailed for sure for a long time. There was no physical evidence of abuse, I couldn’t -wouldn’t DARE- call the cops- that would have done nothing. I got out – I finally snapped into action after 3 or 4 years. And I became vicious towards him – brought his ass to court, the whole works.

      So for any woman, you , me, Jodi, my dear friend who reminds me of Jodi I feel for all of us. I still don’t believe Jodi could have done this but if she did, in self defense, who could blame her? She was terrified out of her mind for her life.

      • Oh Andrea, I’m sooo sorry. I’ve heard so many stories of women married to cops and the complete lack of assistance they face. It’s tragic. What is a woman to do when she’s married to a cop? I’m glad you dragged his ass to court.

        I know exactly what you mean about the lies. Mine did so much gaslighting on me that I was certain I was completely insane.

        Why do you think so many other so-called abused women simply don’t believe Jodi? What causes that?

      • Wow just WOW!!

        I would think the blood evidence and knife wound evidence with the purported sequence of the fight only lead to one conclusion… Self Defense !!!

        I want an appeal ASAP.. Jodi should not be in Sherrif Joes torture chambers anylonger!!

      • I know and I kind of knew that’s how the attack went down but this person broke it down with details. I think that Jodi was afraid to deal with having to explain she was there to have sex with St. Travis and it resulted in a fight because everyone knew him as as St. Travis which is what still is propagated now. Also, she was afraid of having to deal with knowing what she did. She is very traumatized by what happened. If you notice like Darryl Brewer said “I don’t know this Jodi” or something like that and it makes perfect sense that after she went through this horror she has been traumatized and she’s been in denial. I know she’s fruity and I have always said it but she shouldn’t be in jail for being fruity because she fought for her life that day and it is so unfair how everyone has judged her!

        • Yes, Jodi knew the real tdogg and that is why she would have taken a plea bargain. I firmly believe that Jodi does still suffer from amnesia and that she blocked the horrifying fight from her mind. Perhaps more of that fight has crept back in, after 5 years some may have.

          Not sure what you mean by fruity? She fled the scene in terror and tried to find out what happened when she phoned the cops..that is something I would never do..she was interrogated without counsel and tried to represent herself. All that suggests to me her naivety.She lied..she owned up to that on the stand but it was far too late and the damage had been done by overzealous and vicious prosecution, biased judge, and tainted jury!

          • I mean she tends to be a dreamer, lives in her own world and I think has a hard time relating to others. At times she can be her own worst enemy. And yes some of her naivety comes across as fruitiness. Atleast to me. She seems kind of like she’s been a gypsy her whole life not able to root herself. I think this is why she’s got so many haters. The trauma she suffered on June 4, 2008 just made her idiosyncrasies magnified. Everyone has their own differences but hers just got put under a microscope times 10000. I understand this because not everyone fits in a box and many people here are the same.

          • “Fruity” is not the correct term. “Flaky” would be more accurate especially given many of her views seem to be a bit New Age.

              • Yes maybe flaky may be better. She is just a very unique character. In my mind Jodi has been punished for everyone’s life frustrations. It’s very unfortunate because people are just targeting her. People should embrace everyone’s differences. This case just shows how much of a bully our society can be.

                • I think you were thinking “flaky.” She definitely has a different take on things than most people, so it doesn’t surprise me she believed in the power of attraction and other ideas.

                  Definitely a southern California point of view, to use some stereotyping there, regardless of the fact she hails from redneck Yreka.

    • Spells out what I had been thinking. Where was the defense in presenting this type of argument?

      Grounds for mistrial?

    • This probably sums up what really happened better than anything I have read.

      It was obvious it was a case of justifiable homicide–self-defense.

      Manslaughter wouldn’t even fit here.

      • I know! I’m so upset her defense team didn’t have an expert like this on forensics/death to explain the scenario. Travis hands didn’t have wounds on his palm trying to grab the knife she was trying to get him to let her go!

    • I still think the kid was throwing water balloons. Signed, Jodi Arias Trial Juror

    • I just read this 27 page treatise. I found some of it….the first half or so….to be somewhat inaccurate in stating what is “known” in the case, and some of it to be laughably inaccurate.

      However, the second half is MUCH BETTER and more coherent. I have always believed that Jodi killed Travis in self defense AFTER he was wounded by the gun shot and staggered over to the sink where he THEN picked up the knife and attacked Jodi with it. I believe she was able to wrestle the knife from him because he was in a stupor and very stunned and shocked state. I also believe the last wound was the throat slash and she was lying under him with his back against her body. The accounting of all this by Speights is as close to my theory as I have read online…..with exception of the way the throat slash happened.

      He does do one thing wonderfully….and this is to describe her emotional and mental state after the HORROR of this event. In the end, however, it is still all as much SPECULATION as Juan Martinez’s accounting of events…..but this one at least MAKES SENSE. But one important thing he fails to address is whether or not he believes it was all premeditated and why.

  125. AA, FLNANG, attention should be brought to Speights’ insightful explanation of what went down on June 4, but with the attention will come the barrage of hate and death threats to this man.

    Question: What was the reason for the prosecution changing gunshot to after the knife fight? I thought I read somewhere it would add to the cruelty factor, but with the neck wound photo, why risk your case on reversing the order of injuries? There could be the high likelihood that most logical people (were there any on the jury?) would reason that TA was already unconscious and incapable of feeling anything, if not dead, when he was shot. I’m sure JM wanted to capitalize on the “coup de grace”, last assault to TA element, but is it a crime in AZ to mutilate a body after death?

    • Not AA or FLNANG, but after witnessing Martinez’ style for lo these many weeks, I’ve just now come to a new conclusion as to why he changed the gunshot to after the knife fight.

      Watching the way the little man wouldn’t surrender an inch, even over the least significant things – the way he’d even get up and attack his own witnesses on redirect if they’d given even a nod toward a defense point.

      I think he changed the order just to be contrary. Just to have one more stick to beat Jodi with and prove to the jury what a liar she is.

      • So you are saying that JM was in effect saying that since Jodi did not remember anything after the gunshot, and since JM maintains that the gunshot came last, Jodi really remembers everything?

        I can’t understand why JM’s office doesn’t see him as a danger to the reputation of their office and leave an opening for appeals to every case he has tried. Add to this how he tried to discredit the abilities of the witness on the reflection of the eye – when that witness had also testified for the prosecution on other cases. Defense attorneys on those other cases should have been lining up to have their clients released since JM said the key witness against them was incompetent.

      • He did it because he was pushing for murder one, and then, after he found out Jodi was claiming self-defense and said the gunshot came first (and evidence supported this), he had to reverse the order to cover his ass on premed.

        Even if it meant Flores or Horn would perjure themselves in the process.

      • Journee, what arrogance on Martinez’s part. He had his finger on the pulse of that jury pool and felt he could gamble with the order of injuries. I bet he still believes he can win the trifecta on this one (M1, cruelty, DP) and wouldn’t be surprised if he pushes to empanel another jury. He’s got some mental issues. And yes, SZ, can’t see how Maricopa County isn’t reining this guy in. Their reputation is at stake.

  127. Now , that the morning music is posted let’s move on to another issue.

    As AA said earlier, during the trial, folks seemed enamored of the defense team. I was not. Much to peoples’ chagrin I used words like inept, incompetent, etc and was thoroughly excoriated by all and sundry. I still stand by assessment of this team, and like AA pointed out I do not believe that all of their shortcomings were due to control by their client, Jodi. Jodi may have had control over the overall defensive stance, or things like character witnesses, etc, but I doubt if she would have had control over the cross examination of the state’s technical evidence, or the presentation of that cross.

    Much as AA pointed out, and the article on the Innocence Essay Report points out they sure dropped the ball. Here’s an excerpt from a post of mine in April

    “The judge should declare a mistrial for inefficient counsel right the fuck now and censure Nurmi and Jennifer for gross incompetence or dereliction of fiduciary responsibilty, or malpractice or something. If she is there to see justice done, then she should do something. This was just gross.”

    This was a case that should have and could have been won on the physical evidence alone. There is enough right there to take this down to a manslaughter verdict at best.

    But, as they say, that is all now water under the bridge. This is all going to have to be sorted out in any retrial, should some appeals court, somewhere, reverse the guilt phase and remand for retrial. So how do things look on appeal.

    Regardless of the verdict, the defense has two initial venues for appeal, the first being the AZ Court of Appeals and the other being a PCR in front of Pickles. I’m still very confused about the timing of these two appeals. The timings for notices and petitions is actually sort of overlapping. Notice of appeal to the appeals court is to be filed within 20 days of sentencing, and for the PCR within 30 days of sentencing.So at least those happen pretty contemporaneously. The actual petition for PCR is due within 60 days of the notice (or 90 days of sentencing) and the appeals court petition is due within 90 days of notice (or within 120 days of sentencing). So now the timings cross over. Of course extensions may be granted in either case.

    It seems like the AZ court of Appeals is running a 2-3 year cycle (which is about par). Also the appeals court will not address an ineffective assistance of counsel claim before a PCR had addressed that issue. To further complicate this mess if a DP is handed down the automatic appeal is to the AZ Supreme Court. So where we go from here, I don’t know, maybe AA has a better idea. Either way the decisions are several years away, and if this does end up in a federal court, in the best of cases, it’s probably 8-10 years away. There is one possibility that comes to mind that may, and again that is a big fat MAY, put this case on a fast track, if the state and other courts are willing – and I’ll address that in just a minute.

    So the question is what are the grounds for appeal? We are of course not privy to the many objections and motions the defense filed in camera, since those record are still sealed. Of the things I saw in open court there aren’t any rulings on minor objections on the part of the judge that I feel pose any great issues on appeal. There may be some arcane points of law, but essentially the fact that the trial judge is given huge amounts of leeway based on her discretion typically nixes those issues. I think the real appeals issues her lie in the following:

    1. The pre-trial and contemporaneous publicity attached to this trial and its possible effect on an non-sequestered jury.
    2. Ineffective assistance of counsel.
    3. The obvious perjury of Horn and/or Flores and its impact on the probable cause hearing for aggravating factors, those this may only effect the aggravation phase of the trial.
    4. The obvious violation of codes of conduct by the prosecution.

    Now the pretrial publicity issue, may offer the quickest path to a possible high level appeal. From a logical pont of view, given the state of instantaneous media coverage, the internet, the ability of the media to cover a large market on a 24-hour cycle the courts must revisit this issue. As AA and I have been discussing the current state of SCOTUS decisions on this matter is decidedly archaic. Remembering that in this day and age of instant communication, technology and its adaptation in a matter of a short period of time, rulings made even 5 years ago are archaic. Somewhere, some appeals court is going to have to address the issue of media and mob influence on jurors and courts before and during a trial, and how to best draw a balance between the obvious tension created by the 1st and 6th amendments, under the present climate. The SCOTUS did this in Sheppard, Estes, Rideau, etc as various technologies came on line and started affecting the conduct of fair trials. However, what we saw in the CA trial was at a much higher level, and that was surpassed manyfold by the fiasco of this trial. Here you have not just the media excoriating the defense and the defendant, but the public at large exerting and adverse influence on the lawyers and witnesses and possibly the court. The problem of course is that this spectacle is likely to be repeated again and again in trials that happen to pique the media’s interest, starting of course with the Zimmerman and Kelley trials in Florida. These trials, and others that may follow that draw this level of attendant publicity are likely to create an appellate nightmare across the land, and courts might make preliminary findings, in the full hope of getting some clarification at some stage from the SCOTUS. As such appeals pile up, the costs to various state and federal coffers will grow, and will also possibly effect cases that will be appealed after any eventual decision by the SCOTUS. Given this scenario, it would behoove the appeals courts to rapidly move some select cases to the SCOTUS for an early decision. When needed the courts can move these along very fast. The Prop 8 case took less than 5 years from November 2008 to being argued at the SCOTUS this March. This case seems to make an ideal case for such a decision. We have all of the required elements – massive pretrial publicity, a denial of change of venue, a non-sequestered jury, the erasure of any effects of passage of time due to media coverage and the ubiquitous presence of the internet, adverse influence being exerted on witnesses and possibly attorneys and the judge, etc. Given these issues, I believe if argued properly, this trial is headed to a higher appeals court, somewhere, and it is to the benefit of all parties to have these issues decided sooner rather than later.

    • Al,

      What do you think of the use of below linked case as a legal citation on this? Clearly the prosecution did not timely turn over the texts/emails, etc. The prosecution did not turn over evidence that CH had illegally accessed/manipulated TA’s computer records, the prosecution allowed Flores and Horn to lie on the stand, the prosecution did not disclose information about the footprint, the prosecution did not tell the jury that the purchased fuel container was in fact a kerosene can, etc.

      The US Supreme Court found that it is not up to the defense to go on a hide and seek expedition to find what the state is hiding/lying about.

      “A rule thus declaring `prosecutor may hide, defendant must seek,’ is not tenable in a system constitutionally bound to accord defendants due process.”

      http://faculty.smu.edu/jkobylka/SCtItems/2003Term/overturn_death_sentence.htm

      • sz,

        In as far as the emails etc that the prosecution claimed they did not have, the problem is that they did fess up and turn them over to the defense in 2010. I believe the trial court has already ruled that turning them over in 2010 allowed the defense adequate time (over 2 years) to prepare a defense, and I believe the appeals court would agree. So I don’t believe that dog will hunt.

        About CH’s claim of having gone into TA’s emails, I’m not really sure of what the state knew, and also whether CH did actually erase any mails relevant to the case. When I say that I’ actually pleading ignorance, so I can’t say what an appeals court may decide. If in fact he erased e-mails, and if the state knew this, and if they did not disclose this to the defense, and if the erased e-mails were in fact relevant, then there might be an issue. If not, there may be none.

        Of bigger concern should be the fact that after being under subpoena, and being warned not to watch the trial or read about it CASH continued to watch the trial and communicate with the state. But again, I believe that would be a violation of their subpoena and not necessarily an appellate issue, unless it can be shown that the state encouraged them to do this (which would be prosecutorial misconduct) or they conveyed information that had a material impact on the final verdict.

        So while a lot of underhanded skullduggery probably went on, the appellate issues arise from judicial or prosecutorial errors that had, or could have had a material impact on the case. In the case you posted the evidence could have had an impact on the case, and in fact after the judgement and a retrial Banks was party to a plea deal that actually makes him eligible for parole. But that case was different in that not only did the state hide evidence but the prosecutors actually suborned perjury, which may be the case in re Flores/Horn in this case.

        • “If in fact he erased e-mails, and if the state knew this, and if they did not disclose this to the defense, and if the erased e-mails were in fact relevant, then there might be an issue. If not, there may be none.”

          Right Al, and try and prove that he DID erase emails and they were relevant NOW five years after the fact.

          “Of bigger concern should be the fact that after being under subpoena, and being warned not to watch the trial or read about it CASH continued to watch the trial and communicate with the state.”

          CASH & Wife don’t live in AZ. AZ has no jurisdiction over them.

          “the prosecutors actually suborned perjury, which may be the case in re Flores/Horn in this case.”

          I honestly think that’s a tough one. However, Gloria Esteban testified about the sequence of events which allowed the cruelty aggravation to apply. Then again, the judge ruled that regardless of the sequence, there was cruelty because the victim was alive and suffering.

          • Actually don’t they have some sort of reciprocity on cross-state subpoenas? That allows states with such agreements to enforce each other’s subpoenas? That’s why you always see these folks ask the judge for out of state subpoenas.

            • AZ could have asked CA or UT or wherever the hell the Hughes actually live to help them out if the Hughes were unwilling to come to AZ and testify, but it doesn’t appear they were unwilling.

              Even so, an out-of-state subpoena would just be that they come and testify. An order from an AZ court that witnesses not watch media coverage would not be enforceable in CA or UT. And that was an order of the court. It could not be included in a subpoena.

          • About the Esteban thing, true. That’s why to a non-lawyer very little jumps out. But there may be technical stuff that I just don’t know enough about to comment on.

            • Well, the trial court ruled. Nurmi disagreed and filed an interlocutory appeal. The intermediary appellate court declined jurisdiction. And the AZ SC denied the stay. The defense could request a review upon plenary appeal though.

        • AI, CH got on Tricia’s True Crime radio a few weeks ago explaining how he got TA’s blog password from their shared webmaster, then used it on TA’s Gmail account. The State knew CH had gotten into TA’s emails cause the police made him turn everything over and locked him out. We probably don’t know the behind the scenes stuff, but I can’t imagine why the Defense waited for the emails to be produced by the prosecution, instead of independently and immediately serving a search warrant on TA’s Gmail account. I wonder if Gmail doesn’t delete anything.

          • Krikee, Travis’s computer was seized and was in law enforcement custody as evidence. The defense couldn’t demand it be turned over to them without going through the normal processes of the court in requesting discovery.

            • Also Abused, couldn’t the Defense have served a subpoena for TA’s emails that reside in the Gmail cloud as opposed to what was on his physical computer? I’m a little suspicious of what the Pros. might have held back, even though they say they gave them everything.

              • In a civil trial, yes, both sides would have the right to subpoena records from anywhere they wanted. But in a criminal case, the prosecution essentially locks everything down while they conduct their investigation and the only way the defense can access that is to go through the court system requesting discovery. The prosecution is legally supposed to turn over ALL evidence, but they often hang onto things for longer than they should on the excuse that they’re still investigating. It’s really a travesty of justice especially when there could be exculpatory discovery that exists within that information.

                I’m honestly not sure what type of cloud system Gmail was using back in 2008. Cloud servers were fairly new back then. I’m not sure how much was deleted. I’m also not sure how Travis accessed his email. Was it downloaded into an email client (such as Outlook) and subsequently deleted from the server? Or, did he use the webmail interface? So many unanswered questions. I sure hope the defense had an expert assist them with all of that.

                Also, back then, Google was rather tightlipped about their processes and also, weren’t forthcoming in turning over information even to next of kin. If I recall correctly, there were many lawsuits regarding that. I had been out of the technology business (for lack of a better term) for about 3 years by that point, so I wasn’t following as closely as I had been in previous years. But that’s my recollection, which probably isn’t exact.

      • “Clearly the prosecution did not timely turn over the texts/emails, etc.”

        But they did turn them over before trial, so that’s moot.

        “The prosecution did not turn over evidence that CH had illegally accessed/manipulated TA’s computer records”

        How do we know that?

        “the prosecution allowed Flores and Horn to lie on the stand”

        Can we prove they lied? That’s the problem. We can look at is as lying, but is it provable? And it appears from one motion I read that the defense was made aware of the sequence change a year before trial. I previously thought it was on the eve of trial. Apparently, it wasn’t.

        >>>the prosecution did not disclose information about the footprint,

        What information was there to disclose? The defense had the photos. They could have investigated the footprint. They didn’t because they chose to go with self-defense.

        >>>the prosecution did not tell the jury that the purchased fuel container was in fact a kerosene can, etc.

        Why didn’t the defense ask that? They had plenty of opportunities for clarification both on direct and redirect and on cross of the Wal-Mart employee — but they didn’t even cross her. Why not?

        Sorry for looking at this like a lawyer, but it’s easy to look at decisions and assume they apply. I did the same thing during my own appeal, and I went to law school!

        • AA, Chris Hughes did a blogradio broadcast and he says in his own words that as soon as he found out TA was dead he contacted the webmaster for the passwords and he was going through all of his emails, he claims looking for evidence against JA. He said he did that until the police blocked him. Don’t know if this helps in your analysis. Also couldn’t the fact that what Horn said on the stand is in conflict with his own autopsy report be helpful? IDK, just hoping that appeals have a chance to be successful.

          • TB1, I just saw your response after I had posted essentially the same thing. That CH interview was a painful thing to listen to.

          • He also told me the same in a lengthly facebook message. Florres eventually changed the PW. He told me because Florres said they weren’t looking at Jodi, they decided to search for their own evidence of her guilt.

            • Creep! He’s also changed his story a few times about exactly how he got the password — from guessing it to getting it from Travis’s webmaster and I believe there was another story about him finding it somewhere.

          • TB1, I read about that broadcast and what CASH said too. The problem is there’s no evidence that he deleted or altered anything, nor did he say that he did. Without evidence that he did, there’s no real issue here that could be raised on appeal. Now, if when the police seized the hard drive, they discovered blocks of recently deleted material, that would be a different story. I believe I read that Travis used GMail. If so, emails could have been deleted from that account. I sure hope that evidence was subpoenaed. If it wasn’t, I am quite sure there would be a minute entry about that.

            In regards to Horn, the problem is he testified that it was a typographical error. If someone else witnessed his autopsy or it was recorded and that person was willing to testify, then there might be something worthwhile there. Short of that, there’s no evidence that Horn lied or that even if he did, it affected the verdict.

    • AA I do recall back a few weeks ago you said defense wasn’t bringing it. This essay I found kind of puts the nail in the coffin that yes you were right. The defense needed an expert on crime scenes and forensics to testify in addition to the psych evals. I hope that her appellate defense has an expert like this to explain the scene. I think the defense thought the blood spatter and evidence could speak for itself in the matter of self defense but to to the common person seeing huge gaping neck wound brought immediate jump to premed. I spoke to my coworker about this case and all he kept saying was the throat wound. It leaves people puzzled unless they understand what it’s like to be terrified for your life.

      • FLNJANG, I posted the same essay late last night, actually. It’s awesome! Thanks for also finding it so more people can read it.

        Unfortunately, the appellate court merely reviews the record at this juncture. Unless the case is remanded for retrial, there’s no real ability to put on different experts. I need to dig out my post about the appellate process so you can all understand it.

    • “Regardless of the verdict, the defense has two initial venues for appeal, the first being the AZ Court of Appeals and the other being a PCR in front of Pickles. I’m still very confused about the timing of these two appeals. The timings for notices and petitions is actually sort of overlapping. Notice of appeal to the appeals court is to be filed within 20 days of sentencing, and for the PCR within 30 days of sentencing.So at least those happen pretty contemporaneously. The actual petition for PCR is due within 60 days of the notice (or 90 days of sentencing) and the appeals court petition is due within 90 days of notice (or within 120 days of sentencing). So now the timings cross over. Of course extensions may be granted in either case.”

      Okay, I think where you’re getting confused is between someone who is sentenced and someone who accepts a plea. If you take a plea, you can NOT file a direct appeal. You can only avail of PCR.

      If you are sentenced (by judge or jury), then, you file a direct appeal, and you do that FIRST, prior to PCR and you can NOT file PCR until you’ve exhausted avenues with appellate courts (by the way, the correct term is not “appeals courts”, it’s appellate courts).

      If she’s sentenced to execution, her appeal will be automatic to the AZ Supreme Court. If not, she’ll file an appeal to the intermediary appellate court in AZ. If her verdict and sentence is affirmed there, she can file a writ of certiorari to the AZ Supreme Court. If granted (which is discretionary) and affirmed there, she can do the same to the SCOTUS (but it’s also discretionary).

      After that, she can petition for PCR. That can be petitioned for immediately after a direct appeal, but not if there are other appeals pending. So, for example, if she isn’t sentenced to execution, and files an appeal to the intermediary court, and they affirm, and she files a writ of certiorari to the AZ Supreme court, she can’t file for PCR until AFTER that’s decided. If they grant it, then she waits for their decision. If they affirm, and she files a writ to SCOTUS, she has to wait for them to grant/deny before PCR. If they affirm, then she can file for PCR. Remember, anything beyond the intermediary court (or AZ Supreme Court in the case of a sentence of execution is discretionary. Higher courts do NOT have to grant it.)

      After that, habeas corpus is still an option. That’s federal, so the appellate process would vary a little but could also go to the SCOTUS.

      >>>It seems like the AZ court of Appeals is running a 2-3 year cycle (which is about par).

      Which court of appeals? The intermediary court, the AZ Supreme Court, or the Ninth Circuit?

      And are you referring to from the time of filing of notice or from the time all briefing is complete? Because that can vary a great deal. I’m going to assume you’re referring to from the time briefing is complete and you’re talking about the intermediary appellate court because that sounds about right.

      “Of the things I saw in open court there aren’t any rulings on minor objections on the part of the judge that I feel pose any great issues on appeal. There may be some arcane points of law, but essentially the fact that the trial judge is given huge amounts of leeway based on her discretion typically nixes those issues.”

      I would disagree to a point there. But I don’t want to discuss it publicly.

      >>>The SCOTUS did this in Sheppard, Estes, Rideau,

      And don’t forget Moore v. Dempsey in there too. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moore_v._Dempsey

      >>>Given this scenario, it would behoove the appeals courts to rapidly move some select cases to the SCOTUS for an early decision.

      Good luck with that!

      >>> The Prop 8 case took less than 5 years from November 2008 to being argued at the SCOTUS this March.

      But you’re discussing state legislation in that case, NOT an individual’s trial. There’s a HUGE difference. It’s not going to happen here.

      • AA,

        OK so now the appeals process is a little clearer. Of course doesn’t she have to exhaust all state appeals before a habeas filing?

        The 2-3 year timing was the intermediate appeals court. I just went to their web site and looked at the open cases to see when the trial court decision was entered, and how long cases had been sitting there, even those where all appeals court filings were complete – petition, response, reply, etc. Seemed like 2-3 years was what it was taking.

        As to the big fat MAY to get something moving quickly, one can just hope. It would seem logical, but logic may have just about nothing to do with it, but like they say down hereabouts “even a blind pig can fins an acorn once in a while”.

        In Missouri v. McNeely the Supreme court agreed to hear the case in less than 2 years of the arrest. And this was a DWI case, though the issue was warrantless search. So they can move if they want to. So one can hope.

        • >>>Of course doesn’t she have to exhaust all state appeals before a habeas filing?

          Yes, unless she accepts a plea, that is. So, it’s State Appeal (unless she accepts a plea), followed by PCR, followed by habeas corpus.

          >>>The 2-3 year timing was the intermediate appeals court. I just went to their web site and looked at the open cases to see when the trial court decision was entered, and how long cases had been sitting there, even those where all appeals court filings were complete – petition, response, reply, etc. Seemed like 2-3 years was what it was taking.

          Hmm, I wouldn’t place much stock in that, to be honest unless you have reviewed hundreds of cases. There are cases being decided that were briefed after mine.

          Essentially, appellate courts weight all appeals. This is first considered when the Docketing Statement is filed (which some courts call an Information Sheet) and a staff attorney reviews what the appeal concerns — whether it will require setting a precedent or not, whether it’s constitutional in nature, legislative in nature, or whether there is timeliness (for example, a case with an impending execution date), or whether there are custody/visitation issues (which are always given a high priority), and they also look to see whether the case has previously been reviewed in part during an interlocutory appeal or a special writ which require a timely review or if jurisdiction cannot be accepted.

          When the answer brief is filed, this weight is reviewed again (but before the reply brief, since that’s optional). At this point, the staff attorney is looking to see whether an opinion is likely to be issued on the case or not, and if so, how long it might take. In most states, death penalty cases always get the highest weight because they’re the most serious. Cases that appear to require a short amount of time to review (low volume of record, well established law, no requirement to set precedent) usually get a weight between 1 and 3. Some appellate courts then assign weights based on the time they assume will be required to review the case based on a 4-8 weight system, while other appellate courts are more detailed and assign weights from 4-24. (24 is the highest I’ve heard of thus far, anyway.) Cases requiring a precedent to be set (mine, for example) are ALWAYS going to take longer — unless there’s a pending execution.

          In criminal cases, most states (although unsure about AZ as I haven’t checked), the appellate court usually has to review the record thoroughly unless the issues are very easy to resolve because of law that’s already been well established.

          Cases involving well established law, juveniles and custody/visitation are handled first and assigned out quickly by the lead judge. All other cases are basically randomly assigned based on a particular judge’s workload. They usually try to group together appeals that involve similar legal issues — although I’ve never really understand why they do that. I guess to save time looking up other decisions?? Also, they consider whether or not a new case involves law similar to one already being decided upon by a panel of judges, and if so, they route that to those judges. Oh, and I forgot, they immediately review pro se appeals to ensure they’re not frivolous and worthy of immediate dismissal, and they check to ensure the briefing format is correct and all their rules have been complied with before even assigning a weight.

          Keep in mind also that while the appellate judges are reviewing appeals, there is also a steady influx of motions, special writs, and interlocutory appeals that have to be decided on much more quickly. While many motions (such as for extensions of time) can be decided upon by one judge, motions to dismiss an appeal (at least in every state I’ve heard of) require a panel of at least 3 judges. All of the above delays the process of reviewing appeals. Appellate courts HATE motions and detest being used as a court of motions. In fact, they consider it abuse and will often sanction attorneys. Assrat lawyer in my case *should* have been sanctioned, but he got away with his motion abuse simply because I’m pro se. Ugh!

          Anyway, I hope that helps you understand why one appeal can take far longer than another and that there’s no really good way to determine how long any appeal will take without seeing the issues. I realized that mine would take considerably longer because I’m asking them to set a precedent. At the same time, it’s incredibly frustrating to review the opinions and PCA lists every week (which I do with baited breath) and see case numbers much higher than mine being decided and then, checking the docket and discovering they were briefed later than mine.

          >>>In Missouri v. McNeely the Supreme court agreed to hear the case in less than 2 years of the arrest. And this was a DWI case, though the issue was warrantless search. So they can move if they want to. So one can hope.

          Okay, you’re completely misunderstanding why that was referred to the Supreme Court and decided upon so quickly. First of all, it was an emergency interlocutory appeal by the state of Missouri because of the defendant’s motion to suppress evidence which was obtained involuntarily which violated his constitutional rights. It wasn’t a plenary appeal. Interlocutory appeals *are* decided upon very quickly (see Jodi’s interlocutory appeal for a stay of capital punishment for an example. They’re decided upon very quickly because they’re interlocutory and various portions of a trial can NOT proceed until they are decided. In Jodi’s case, the guilt phase *could* proceed. However, the aggravation phase could *NOT*. These types of appeals are priorities for the appellate court. In the case in question, the trial court granted the motion to suppress the illegally obtained evidence that the defendant was intoxicated. The state of Missouri filed an interlocutory appeal to the intermediary court. That court reversed the decision of the trial court. The defendant filed a writ of certiorari to the Missouri Supreme Court. It was granted and they overturned the intermediary court’s decision. The state of Missouri then filed a Writ ot Certiorari to the US Supreme Court which was granted and they affirmed the Missouri Supreme Court’s decision. He was arrested in October 2010, and it still took until April 2013, for this process. And that was an interlocutory appeal.

          However, this is a good example as to why you can’t just assume that one appeal is the same as another, and you must read the whole opinion, not just the dates involved, and differentiate between interlocutory and plenary appeals.

          The guilt phase of Jodi’s trial is over, as is the aggravation phase. The penalty phase has not concluded. The defense did not file an interlocutory appeal regarding Jodi’s mitigation witnesses although Nurmi asked for a stay. I’m not sure why they didn’t and it’s basically moot now as that phase was declared a mistrial. There is no urgency which would require an expedited review by an appellate court.

          There are VERY limited circumstances under which an appeal can be expedited. I could potentially have filed a motion for mine to be expedited given the fact that my personal safety is involved, but it most likely would not have been granted because Maryland will not allow enforcement of the judgment while an appeal is pending. They types of appeals that are generally given priority and would qualify to be fast-tracked are cases involving issues such as: custody/visitation, termination of parental rights, an elderly or terminally ill party, deprivation of medical care, a party who is under the age of 14, eminent domain, recovery of possessions or real property, environmental impacts that require immediate consideration, contested elections, taxes, and of course, death penalty cases.

          There are drawbacks to expedited appeals, however, which may not make them preferential. Briefing schedules can be shortened considerably. The appellant and appellee may have far less time in which to submit briefs. The initial brief may be required to be filed just weeks after the record is transmitted. In a case like Jodi’s that would require working day and night by a firm of 50 attorneys to simply review the record! This can be a major deficit to the appellant when filing its reply brief which addresses points in the appellee’s answer brief where additional research is necessary. Motions for extensions of time are almost always denied in expedited appeals regardless of the reason for the extension. Expedited processing and transmission of the record may be required — which will cost substantially more (I’m not sure if AZ pays for this in the case of indigent defendants or not — they don’t in FL). Oral arguments may be set within days of briefing completion. Petitions for Amicus Curiae may be denied. And yet, it still might take the court more than a year to issue an opinion!

          If emergency relief is required, there are much better ways to go about petitioning for it, such as filing interlocutory appeals or for special writs, which are handled expeditiously but without the burdens involved in expediting a plenary appeal.

  128. “thoroughly excoriated by all and sundry.”

    not by me 🙂

    There is a difference in constructive criticism, which is what I consider what you have said, versus bashing…which there have been people who have done that on here.

    Great CONSTRUCTIVE post!

    Sorry my *expertise* is not in legal mumbo jumbo so I do not have anything worthwhile to add to your post, but I do appreciate it nonetheless.

    • beecee,

      Thanks.

      And the mumbo jumbo boils down to this – there was so much publicity and intimidation by the press and public using the internet that it could have affected people. This kind of behavior is likely to happen in other trials. So someone should address it ASAP.

      Does that make sense?

      • Does to me watching millions of miles away, it will need to be addressed universally if we want to survive as a world.
        Mindless’infotainment’ served to the very dumbed down masses with no independent thought.
        It doesn’t inform neither does it entertain, it frightens.

    • To give credit where its due, our friend geebee2 was yelling and screaming this stuff a long time ago. You guys ought to go read his wiki pages.

      • geebee2 is a “she” Al! A very very smart woman, and a fellow Brit, I believe.

        • No actually, I really am “he”….

          It’s funny though, many have been mistaken. No offence whatsoever!

          I thought the speights article excellent, but he hasn’t looked at the blood at the end of the hallway…

          But he covers many issues very well indeed… especially the gun shot and knife fighting.

          Truly excellent work I think.

          • You beat me to the punch. I’d seen your posts elsewhere and knew your name, so unless that first name applies to women you are indeed a man. The woman’s equivalent ends in ina or ette.

          • Sorry geebee2 I also thought you were a woman. You must have a very sensitive feminine side that comes out in your posts. Not a bad thing at all 😉

            • Hahaha I thought I saw others refer to you as a “she” on the Wiki Discussion and you didn’t correct them. You know, I initially assumed you were a “he” because of some of the ways in which you write, but ever since seeing that, I assumed you where a woman and read your writings differently.

              I think you and that guy should put your heads together. He seems very open to additions/updates. Have him look at that blood and also your articles. He might have something to say.

  130. To say that yesterday’s blog post generated some strong reactions would be an understatement. Thankfully, most of the posts were positive and supportive. However, there were some negative ones and, predictably, these people are blindly loyal to Travis Alexander. I will spare the authors the embarrassment of having their names published. They know who they are. Here are some of the negative comments that I received with my response to them below:

    “I think that Travis was joking with the ‘dildo with a heartbeat’ and ‘three-hole wonder’ comments he made…as odd as it may sound, there are guys who have such an ‘offbeat’ sense of humor like that, and it sounds like Travis was one of them. Plus, the ‘orgasm’ comment on the tape has been COMPLETELY taken out of context. And there is absolutely no proof Jodi was EVER abused. I’m sorry, I just don’t believe in blaming the victim. If Travis was playing “hot and cold” with her, that doesn’t necessarily constitute abuse, in my mind…it’s hard for people to make up their minds in EVERY relationship. Plus, she’s a grown woman who had the option of walking away. She didn’t, because she was obsessed with Travis, NOT the other way around.”

    Okay, first of all, he was NOT joking. He meant it. Second of all, I would never think to liken these sexist and degrading comments as “offbeat” humor. You want to see offbeat sense of humor? Watch a movie with The Marx Brothers. Travis’s comments weren’t offbeat nor were they humorous. Third, the “orgasm” comment from the sex tape was played in context. He compared Jodi’s moaning to that of a 12-year old girl having her first orgasm. How any woman can listen to that and not find that creepy is stunning to me. Call me crazy, but I think that if Travis Alexander wasn’t such a good-looking, charismatic guy that they probably wouldn’t be defending him so vigorously. Fourth, how do they know that Jodi was never abused? Physically, you can make an argument about. But what about psychological and verbal abuse? Abuse takes many forms and not just in a physical or sexual sense. However, we also know that Travis liked to have anal sex with Jodi even when she found it painful for her. Now, that may not have been rape, but how is that not abusive? Fifth, he WAS playing “hot and cold” with her and that is wrong. It is wrong for any man or woman to use another person sexually the way that Travis used Jodi. Jodi DID have the option of walking away and, in hindsight, I wish that she would have. If you ask me, I think that they both were obsessed with each other in an odd and destructive way, but Jodi loved Travis much more than he loved her.

    “So you knew Travis and Jodi personally and everything about their relationship in addition to what Jodi claimed on the stand? What if Jodi lied about everything and Travis really did not do all those things, how would that make you feel knowing they were all lies and you believed her. How would you feel about Jodi knowing that she lied? Be careful what you post, it might come back to haunt you one day.”

    No, I do not know Jodi personally nor did I ever know Travis personally. I know as much about their relationship as you do. The only difference is that I choose to look at things with an open mind and heart that are not poisoned or tainted with bias and prejudice. What if the queen had balls? She would be king! I believe Jodi wholeheartedly 100% and I go to bed every night and sleep well knowing that I am confident. I doubt the same can be said for many of you in the Travis Alexander camp. And don’t think that I don’t know that this scares the hell out of you. Oh, and regarding that last comment, I hope that this wasn’t a threat.

    “I’m sorry but nothing in that link exposed anything that would justify killing he man. Yeah, I admit there were some things he had said or wrote that people could say are not decent. None of what that says can be put into the context that he was a man who was physically abusive. Do you think that some people have felt the need to defend Travis because they feel like those things have been used in this trial to justify Jodi’s actions?”

    Okay, let’s just suppose for a moment that Travis Alexander was never physically abusive to Jodi. I personally believe he was, but let’s just go with your theory that he was never physically abusive to her. Does verbal and psychological abuse matter to you? If a man repeatedly calls his girlfriend or wife names like “whore”, “slut” or “cunt” and she doesn’t like it, but he keeps doing it and yells at her without laying a hand on her, how is this not wrong? Why do so many people think that the only type of abuse that counts is physical? Now, this might be TMI to some of you, but I personally could never have anal sex with a woman. Even prior to knowledge of this case, I could never do it because it just looks painful and I could never do that to a woman. To answer this person’s question, I feel like that some people have felt the need to defend Travis because they have crushes on him, they are jealous of Jodi because she is very beautiful or they are prejudiced towards Jodi Arias because she is of Hispanic descent. Put it this way: if Travis’s name was Travis Arias and he was a Mexican-American and Jodi’s name was Jodi Alexander and she was a white, blonde, blue-eyed American girl that was killed by this man, do you think that “Travis Arias” would have as many supporters as Travis Alexander?

    • I’ve posted before that there seems to be more women haters, which was confirmed by an observation in the AZ Republic. People have told me yes, women can be back biting jealous beasts because Jodi is smart and pretty. Travis on the other hand I can tell is a person I would not like. I don’t care for arrogance and wearing gaudy clothes for attention. I’m sure some people don’t like so I don’t think its unfair to post my own opinion.

      • I’m sure some people don’t like me so I don’t think its unfair to post my own opinion.

      • Jeff— Why did the male Jurors not support Jodi? There were Eight of them. We do not know what the split was, but we know that if all four women on the Jury voted for the death penalty then 4 men voted for the death penalty. We cannot assume that all four women voted for death.

        • Rebecca64,

          I have no idea why this jury did what it did, doesn’t matter if they’re men or women.

          I too have posted in the past about the apparent lack of support for Jodi from women. My thoughts were based on looking at anti-Jodi sites and noticing that a large majority of the posters there were women. Of course this could just be because more women were posting, than men and had nothing to do with how the public support actually was.

          A number of people (court room observers) have commented that death qualified juries are more likely to return guilty verdicts in any case, and that might be at play here.

          But who knows. If we had an objective media, maybe someone would ask these jurors the tough questions. But looks like everyone’s just happy to see Jodi hang, so the real questions never get asked. No one’s asking any of these clowns to be responsible for their verdict and that just sucks.

          • You are right. They just want to see her hang, men and women alike It is the saddest thing I have witnessed. I have two daughters, on is 29 and the other 31. THey are both kind souls like Jodi, and both attractive. They are also intelligent and astute. Both believe in her innoncence.

    • Frank, what most of these people don’t realize is that the verbal and psychological abuse is way more harming than the physical abuse.

      • It is indeed, Tim. But I don’t think it drives a woman to kill. What drives a woman to kill is (a) self-defense or (b) she just gets fed up of living that way.

        Most women who were abused will NOT admit that they ever considered killing their abuser. But when you talk to them about what they’d do if they were in a life/death situation with him, most of them reveal that they have a plan.

        I’ll admit it. I sat there many nights wondering if I could kill that bastard I was married to while he slept in his bed. I also thought about killing myself. Because I just couldn’t take it anymore. It didn’t happen after an explosive fight — which by then always ended up in me being physically hurt. It happened in what’s called the tension-building phase. That’s the phase leading up to the explosion. Nothing you do is right. Everything you do is wrong. You walk on eggshells. You were told to make dinner at 6, but when you do, you are told you’re crazy, he wants dinner at 8. You walked on a step of the stairs that creaked and you disrupted his concentration. You’re standing in the wrong place in the kitchen when he wants to get in there. He can’t find something and you MUST have moved it.

        You hide your anger deep inside and it boils . Those are the times you call someone and sound irrational, because you freaking well are (like Jodi’s parents talked about). I was nuts. Sometimes, I took my anger out on someone else completely inappropriately. I must have sounded like I was bi-polar. I made no sense at all. I’ve read back over some of my own FB messages to people during that time and been horrified with my irrational behaviour.

        When it got to a certain point that I JUST couldn’t handle it anymore towards the end, I went and picked a fight with him. Or I said something that I knew would cause the explosion. He was all about his fucking stupid long hair. He had this running joke that he couldn’t cut it because he had such an investment in shampoo and conditioner for so many years. So one time, I boldly walked into his room/office and said “Oh my God, ogre, you’re going bald. You have a bald spot I can see on the back of your head. When did that happen?” He jumped up out of that chair like a freak and ran to the bathroom with his 3 mirrors and one handheld looking for the spot. Then, I laughed at the motherfucker. I knew what was going to happen. I knew I was getting beaten. I didn’t care anymore. I just wanted the explosion to happen because then, he was usually somewhat nice for a few hours or a few days.

        But then came the shame that I’d caused it. That made me believe that it really WAS all my fault. I’d provoked him. I only started admitting this and talking about it a few months ago. And it’s surprised me how many other women admit doing something similar. But a lot of women will never ever admit it. They can’t come to terms with it.

        Probably half of these freaky Travis-lovers who are screaming and yelling about Jodi and reporting what they said to their husbands and how their husbands agreed are still IN abusive relationships. Many women go from a very physically abusive relationship to a less physically abusive one or to a verbally abusive one. I see it ALL the time. And as I read some of these women’s messages where they talk about their husbands controlling how much Jodi-time they can watch, and then getting all angry and explosive about Jodi, I know what’s going on. They’re back in another abusive relationship and their husbands are controlling them. But they can’t admit it, even to themselves. So, they take their anger out on Jodi. And their anger really is that Jodi did something they couldn’t. She fought back. And now, she’s daring to do what they swore they never would: she’s talking about that motherfucker and what he did to her.

        Most of these abused women can NEVER talk about it. NEVER. Those of us who actually talk about it are shocking to them. It’s sad because they’re full of shame. All they can do is send positive affirmations and hugs to other women. But they can’t actually spill out what happened. Most of them got raped anally but they’re too ashamed to admit that too. And there’s Jodi talking about it. What a whore she is for admitting what she did to please that abusive bastard.

        • I would just like to clarify that some of us cannot talk about the specifics because it is much too triggering. But it does not prevent us from saying we are survivors of DV. I struggle daily and constantly with PTSD and talking about what happened to me in any kind of detail is too much. I suspect this is true for many of us. I recognize when I see some people on TV start to tell their stories and their chin tips up and their breathing gets fast as though they are drowning that they are sufferers as well. It is not because I am ashamed, though I can see sometimes when I tell someone that I am a survivor that they think I ought to have kept that to myself. Even when they are talking about how or where to contribute and they ask me how I know so much about the system!

          • FreshAirBreather, have you ever gone through domestic violence counselling? I found it enabled me to talk about things I had never talked about that. And it has given me new freedom as a result. I can’t say that I don’t still have PTSD. I do. And I can’t say there aren’t still triggers. But talking about it, getting it out, has allowed me to break through many barriers and break my silence.

            I refuse to be told I should keep it to myself. I don’t care if it disgusts people who know nothing about it. It’s time to talk about it. It’s time for everyone to realize what it’s about and the red flags that might allow someone else to avoid being trapped. As someone once said to me, by the time you realize you’re in an abusive relationship, it’s extremely difficult to get out of it.

            I know that by talking about it, two women I know personally, got out. One was only beaten once, and that happened as she was trying to leave. But listening to me, she began to recognize the signs in her own relationship. Another woman was never beaten, but some crazy stalking began after she refused to see him any longer. And it was listening to me that drove her to end the relationship and to realize it was unhealthy. I haven’t been successful yet with women who are already being physical abused, but I’m still hoping!

            • Thank you, AA. Yes, I have been and am still in trauma counseling, as are my children. It may take a while for us! But I am still very, very active with bullying and DV intervention as I believe there is an age continuum. My difficulty with PTSD and speaking about details of my (our) own situation without triggering do not keep me from being active on these fronts.

              I also have a lot of missing memories over the years. Chunks of time are simply gone. I know I will never be able to retrieve those memories, nor do I want to. Forward!

              • Hugs, FreshAir! I suppose it’s best NOT to recall those awful memories. I often wish I could forget many of mine. Mine come out in dreams, awful dreams, which scare me so badly. They’re not as frequent as they once were.

                Hugs to your children too.

      • YES! it is sooooo much worse, I would tell my ex to please just hit me and get it over with, his words killed, his hits eventually healed, the words never did and did worse things to me than any hit ever did. I thought Dr Drew knew this, I thought people like him knew this, I was so surprised and shocked to see all of this crap

      • This is especially true if the person on the receiving end of the abuse has a small ego, as they say is the case with Jody.

    • I worry about the people who are loyal to someone like Travis. He was not the person his family is trying to make him out to be. He was perverted, he was arrogant, he was a user and abuser of woman. Who would worship someone like that? His family didn’t even stay in touch with him like most families do. Someone like Travis makes my skin crawl to be honest.

    • “Call me crazy, but I think that if Travis Alexander wasn’t such a good-looking, charismatic guy that they probably wouldn’t be defending him so vigorously”

      Okay, Frank, I have to call you crazy on this one. To me, from the very first time I saw a picture of Travis Alexander, I said YUCK. I am absolutely amazed that anyone thinks he was goodlooking. Maybe it’s just me. You’re on my FB, so you’ve seen my fiance. Feel free to look at all the pictures of him I have on there. He’s what I consider gorgeous and he’s super charismatic. He’s also super genuine and really nice. Everyone loves him because he’s the REAL deal. Travis? Average looking, rather pudgy, receding hairline, weird mouth, and completely pompous and full of himself. Jodi, on the other hand, is stunning. Again, the first time I read anything about this case and assumed she was guilty by the way it was written, I thought “What was this gorgeous girl doing with him?”

      • I found that I could never really judge if he was good-looking or not. To me, he looked a lot like an overgrown boy–soft and pudgy and hairless. Just not sexy at all.

        But, his face–that omni-present self-satistfied and smug expression–cancels out any handsomeness or pleasant features that might be there. With that permanent unattractive expression we see in ALL his pictures, how can anybody even tell?

        • Thank you Pique. I so agree about that expression.

          Why is it that you rarely see a photo of an abusive man with a warm loving smile?

        • Oh god yes smug! He also pulled a querulous look in photographs of them both, almost like he was sneering at being seen with her.
          He is not someone who appears genuine at all, he looks like a sexist pig to me. A man with all front and one dimensional.
          I’m almost pleased he had a structure around him albeit skewed, if he had no censure he might have been a bit disturbingly nasty…
          But then I remember the very damaged boy, the skewed values, the lack of parental care, and wonder why everybody waited until he was six to rescue him and his siblings?
          The damage was well and truly done.
          .What were people thinking? Never heard of child abuse anyone? Where were the authorities, or is that when the move happened to g’ma’s?
          I can’t stand not having enough information, it’s just so not black and white…

          The role modelling had to have come from somewhere…
          Has any of the severe damage been addressed by any of them? All I can whisper is intergenerational abuse, it’s a learned behaviour. I hope, (not without cause) that any future children are not dragged into this mess of an atrociously traumatised family. I would not be surprised to learn that they are all suffering from attachment disorders, PTSD, Borderline, anxiety, anger issues, violence, drug abuse, sexual issues, and a whole host of other things.

          They are not just angry at Jodi Arias, she is just a convenient scapegoat for generations of abuse. They see ‘mistrustful whoring woman’ (likely their mother) we see abusive behaviour that causes ‘mistrustful whoring women’, they don’t – and I don’t think they know how to.

          They have every right to be angry and mistrustful, but not at me. As a woman and on behalf of other women around the world, I say it is never ok to present images of violence juxtaposed with female genitalia, and beam it around the world.
          Nice message Arizona!

      • AA, I totally agree with you! And, yes, your fiancé is way better-looking than Travis ever was. I was being kind, but I also know that there are a lot of women out there that think that Travis Alexander was the cat’s meow. Not my opinion, but then again I don’t think that Ashton Kutcher is all of that either. 😉

        • Ashton was boyishly cute, kinda like someone I might have had a crush on in high school. Sort of like the young Tom Cruise was so boyishly cute or Charlie Sheen, but as they aged, well, they just lost that allure. It’s funny because most women probably wouldn’t agree with me, but I actually find Ashton hotter when his hair is a bit longer and with some facial hair. And I don’t even like facial hair on a man usually, but it looks good on him.

          But Travis Alexander? I’m sorry, but I haven’t seen one single photo of him where I would call him anything other than average. Actually, I think his best photo was probably the last one of his face in the shower. He still wasn’t the heartthrob some of these people seem to go on and on about. But it was his best picture. Sad that it was his last. He was not ugly from a purely aesthetic viewpoint. But he just had nothing going on that would have made me go wow. I see better looking guys than him every day of the week. His expressions though, in all his photos, and his videos, make him completely unattractive.

          I think his brother Steven is better looking, but unfortunately, he also has those expressions that make him look less attractive. Perhaps if I saw him under normal circumstances, he would appear more attractive, I don’t know.

  132. So Debra Milke should be released in a few days after 25 years in jail mostly on death row.
    There are enough issues with the Arias trial to wallpaper a livingroom. The judge, the prosecutor, the evidence, the influence of dirt television, social media, jury (not sequestered). I have no doubt if the prosecution seeks the DP again, more dirty tricks of the former trial, will be revealed. It is really clear that prosecutors in Arizona are about winning at all costs figuratively and financially. Just remember the look on Martinez face when the jury read the verdict. It was black and angry beyond words. He takes it personal. He is a rock star…..as far as the cane lady and Katie W. are concerned. He will fall eventually especially if he pursues this next level of hearings. The effect of social media on trials must be addressed.

    • I hope they let her go and Montgomery doesn’t decide to persecute her any more.

      In that vein I wonder what Esteban Flores’ record in court looks like? Or Horn’s?

  133. Kirk Nurmi Rocks!!!
    I think he did a terrific job
    & for the juror bitch who was
    makin fun of his weight,
    She really needs to take a cold hard look
    at herself in the mirror before she speaks.

    My disgust keeps changing on a daily basis
    for all these horrid characters involved & responsible for
    the public lynching of Jodi Arias.

    SERIOUS DISGUST!

    • or shall i say my disgust keeps getting
      stronger and STRONGER
      towards these nasty vile creatures!

    • I love Kirk too. It speaks to her complete lack of manners, and her real inability to pay attention to the case. She clearly has neither the personal ethics or skills to analyze the facts and come to an intelligent decision. The Jury process is frightening.

      • Kirk’s probably a great guy to have a beer with, and shoot the shit etc. But I don’t think he did a very good job in this case. Maybe the guy was just overwhelmed. He seemed more effective in argument than in the actual conduct of the case. I know some of the load was carried by JW, but being first chair he catches the blame.

        Sorry – they just didn’t rise to the occasion.

        • Jodi’s not on Death Row this weekend. So there’s that, in regard to the defense team.

          • Yeah, but the DP is still not off the table, and this whole fiasco gets repeated in July, so there’s that.

            • Well, think back to what we were expecting a week ago. Getting THIS jury to split 8-4 is a point in the defense’s favor, whether you like them or not.

              Were they perfect? No. Is there a point in critiquing their past performance now? Not really. We have to look forward.

              • True, except that maybe it’s a valid point on appeal and so bears discussion. May be someone will get it through to an appellate lawyer somewhere.

                All lawyers are people, prone to miss points and a bunch of outside folks discussing issues (as a sort of brainstorming session in hyperspace) may provide these folks with extra ammo.

                • Al even if Jodi had the perfect defense,
                  I don’t think there was anyway to sway
                  the already tainted jurors…I mean
                  just look at them posing with HLN &
                  hanging with Chris Hughes & company.
                  It speaks volumes that Jodi has been
                  royally screwed by the State of AZ &
                  the media.

                • JoshDavis,

                  What you say might very probably be true.

                  But the fact is that the defense sure screwed the pooch on this case. So we’ll never know.

                  No, if this was all some super smart move to allow for an ineffective assistance of counsel appeal, coupled with a publicity based appeal and if they win on both counts and the next trial is conducted without the shenanigans of this one, then I take my hats off to them.

                  But till I see that happening, and know it was pre-planned, I stick to my impression. They just weren’t up to the task, or at least didn’t bring their A game to the court.

            • No, I think it;s much more complicated than just a repeat in July.

              Quite how things will actually develop is very hard to say.

              It appears that the defense can file appeals relating to earlier phases while the penalty phase is incomplete ( given the defence have already filed regarding the aggravation phase ).

              The complications are pretty mind boggling. If the state had any common sense it would simply abandon the DP, but common sense has always been entirely lacking in this case, so this is NOT a prediction.

              • I guess they can always file interim appeals, and in fact have done so in the past. However, whether any court will consider them is a different matter.

                However this is not the first time this penalty phase has had to be redone in Maricopa county, though I don’t know if the other cases had the attendant publicity.

                So I guess we’ll see. The state has very little to loose at this stage. They already have an M1, so what’s there to deal with. If they take the DP off the table, what do they ask for in return. There’s nothing in it for Jodi to give away any future appeals. Either way she has a life sentence, and the DP could take years to be executed. AZ has only ever executed one woman and that was umpteen years ago. Of the three women on death row the longest has been there for 22 years (and her conviction was just overturned). And life expectancy in prison is really low compared to the outside world.

      • Yep, she said that she was waiting for his chair to break. Charming, huh? Way to focus on the important issues.

        I love her repeated comments of “We all thought…” when she was an ALTERNATE. She’s not supposed to know what ALL of them were thinking.

      • Resorting to personal attack just shows a lack of intellect. Got nothing smarter to say.

  134. I agree, with the foreman of the jury “that Jodi was persecuted in the court of public opinion” He said they had no idea of this. So lets suppose that is true. The fact that the Judge and prosecutor well knew and didn’t address it is grounds for appeal. I think that any defense lawyer could not have made the big difference to this case given the bs that was allowed by the court. I agree that Montgomery would be wise to back off this case as it is going to really open up pandora’s box.

    • I agree with you Judy. She was tried in the court of public opinion and the Jury was not sequestered. The defense was able to convince me of her innocence, and I watched the case with an open mind. I think the Attorney could have been God, and the outcome would have been the same.

  135. Dear MOD, SJ or MB,
    I understand you must carefully eliminate Haters and trolls. I am neither. I support Jodi. I pray for Jodi daily. I understand the main MOD has been on vacation and new commentators aren’t accepted. I’ve made 7 or so positive comments toward Jodi and sent prayers. I guess I understand that you’re wanting to further the conversations not dilute them, but it seems to me you’d want supporters. Maybe you don’t want them to chime in with simple sentiment, but it seems like support is not welcome. Maybe you could make a better formula for deleting new people’s supportive posts. Thank you, Johnm

    • Johnm——I am moved by your comment. I think sentiment and prayer are both powerful. She is locked in that terribl cell all alone on a Holiday Week End. I hope her family is there with her today.

      • Rebecca64, Thank you. I only have prayer to offer. I won’t ever stop praying for Jodi. I’m saddened this travesty of justice against Jodi is continuing. I’m not overly religious, I just have to believe that if enough of us send positive hopes into the universe something may positively happen for Jodi. I hope and pray more jurors openly put their feet in their mouths. I get all my info and news here, as HLN is now my enemy. I’ve learned a lot here, especially the psychological comments from abuse victims, and the duality post. This page has taught me that the jurors in Jodi’s trial had limited worldly experience and NO ability to empathize or sympathize. To convict because you cannot fathom how miserable the remainder of your life might be if you stand up for Jodi, because of how Casey Anthony’s jury was death threatened, is an unJUST sign of the times, truly awful!. There has to be some type of stand made on the public trials not being sequestered. And please Lord, let one of the dissenting jurors say something that will cause a mistrial, please Lord!!

  136. I want to start a petition on http://www.change.org to remove the televising of all court proceedings from any and all commercial networks and ask congress to provide a network such as CSPAN for such matters. Here is my first draft of such a petition and I would welcome any and all input / corrections / additions before I publish it. Thanks guys!

    Stop the Use of Our 1st Amendment to Trample on Our 6th Amendment

    Sign this petition to ask congress to remove all courtroom proceedings from networks that favor ratings over truth. Let us ask congress to pass legislation to only broadcast trials on a network such as CSPAN, that is, proceedings only, no commentary, no commercials.

    There is a reason why one cannot use the 1st Amendment to yell “Fire!” in a crowded theater. Why??? Because it creates a dangerous environment. The same should be true for yelling “Guilty!” about someone who is supposed to be presumed innocent until proven otherwise, especially to a mob hungry to find someone to hate.

    This latest debacle with HLN where guilt was presumed long before the trial began, and then continual biased and hateful commentary spewed thereafter, has brought to light the value of the almightly dollar over providing fair and balanced coverage. This is particularly despicable considering many of these talking heads are supposed lawyers who at some point vowed to uphold the Constitution of the United States. And to have an internist provide unprofessional psychological diagnoses of defendants for mass consumption by lynch mobs is beyond the pale.

    Please sign this petition: NO MORE TRIALS BY COMMERCIALIZED MASS MEDIA

    • I often see these petitions at change.org.

      Does anyone know if any petition from that site has ever even made it to a level where it warranted attention from anyone?

      Don’t mean to be cynical, just wondering if they’ve ever had any success.

      • I have never heard of anyone getting anything done thru that site, but I could be wrong.

      • I have a question about the ruling on cameras yes/no. If it is ruled that cameras are allowed, is there any ability by the court to determine which networks are allowed? How about which “press” are allowed to sit in the press section behind the family? Who determines what “press” means?

        • I doubt it. It’ll end up showing favoritism and unequal access.

          Actually the camera feeds are off a pool camera so everyone has access.

      • I’m not sure if the Change.org petition was the sole reason that Trayvon Martin’s case got notice, but it was the first that I’d heard of it. His mother started a petition during the period of time between the shooting and Zimmerman’s arrest (around two months).

      • I don’t sign petitions. They only result in you getting spam. They’re worthless.

        • Totally understand, AA. But apparently millions of people do sign them (see below where 2.2 million signed the Trayvon Martin petition.) If it doesn’t work, so be it. But I feel the need to do something before our whole justice system is destroyed by a bunch of money-hungry bastards.

        • I’ve had that experience in the past w/ spam. Fortunately, I didn’t notice an increase or decrease when I signed a petition for Aaron Swartz earlier this year.

        • I agree with you AA. They only you result and getting spam, and am not convinced they do any good.

          • I was going to say you need not sign…just copy, paste, edit, print and snail mail the provided letter to all your congressional representatives. But I take it from your name that you probably live in the UK? Never mind. 🙂

    • I certainly understand the scepticism but I still want to give it the ol’ college try. Can’t hurt. There is a list of so-called “Victories” on the site. Here are a couple:

      Sprint: Improve policies to keep domestic violence victims safe!
      by Jane Doe
      175,125 Supporters
      November 2012
      Sprint has updated its policies for domestic violence victims attempting to cancel or change their services in order to stay safe from their abusers, becoming the second national provider, alongside Verizon, to update policies after public outcry sparked by Change.org petition.

      South African women fight corrective rape
      by Luleki Sizwe
      171,789 Supporters
      March 2011
      Ndumie Funda petitions the South African government to fight “corrective” rape of lesbians. 171,000 people join from 175 countries, mobilizing a protest in front of Parliament. Bowing to international pressure, the South African Parliament agrees to launch a National Task Team to end “corrective” rape.

      Phone company helps domestic violence victims
      by Cynthia Butterworth
      194,825 Supporters
      September 2012
      After nearly 200,000 people joined her campaign, Verizon reached out directly to Cindy. They told her that after hearing her story, the realized they needed to improve their policies to ensure that what happened to Carol doesn’t happen again. Not only are they improving training for customer service representatives dealing with domestic violence survivors who need to cancel contracts, but they will be rolling out an entire package of new policies and trainings to give representatives the ability to connect survivors with resources and programs they need to stay safe and start healing. Says Cindy, ““This is absolutely incredible news for me, for my family, and for all victims attempting to regain control of their lives. This is proof that one voice can make a difference, all it takes is speaking up and asking others for support.” Cindy and her family will continue working directly with Verizon as they implement the new policies and training for employees. “We can feel good knowing that no one else will ever have to go through what my sister did.”

      And here’s the one on Trayvon Martin:

      Trayvon Martin’s parents win justice for their son
      by Tracy Martin and Sybrina Fulton
      2,278,429 Supporters
      April 2012
      Following the tragic killing of their son Trayvon, Tracy Martin and Sybrina Fulton started a petition on Change.org that turned a local tragedy into an international movement for justice, inspiring millions to take action and call for charges to be brought against the man that killed Trayvon. On April 11, 2012 it was announced that a Florida State Attorney would be bringing charges of second degree murder against the neighborhood watch captain that shot Trayvon Martin.

      • I don’t know much about the others, but I can tell you that Sprint and Verizon SUCK when it comes to helping DV survivors and keeping information confidential. I’ve had ongoing battles with each of them. Believe it or not, AT&T, which doesn’t have an actual policy, has been THE most cooperative and helpful. I will be a loyal customer for years because of all their help.

      • Wow, I’m so impressed that global action is being undertaken by grass roots, it reminds me of the immense changes of the 60’s protest movements very exciting winds of change. There I’ve said it, I’m really really old, – like Dylan.
        ‘Come gather round people…for the times they are a changing….’ wooo ooo (mouthorgan)
        If any peaceful action does take place, it’s important to actually be there physically. Groundswell numbers cannot be ignored by media, or anyone, we did it in the 60’s and 70’s!

    • I think a petition is not a bad idea, but it needs a lot of re-writing. for example: from networks that favor ratings over truth. There are differing opinions of which networks favor ratings over truth. You could just say commercial networks. However, even if CSpan did the broadcasting of the trial, what prevents from HLN from running sound bites and giving their opinions?

  137. SMH at these female jurors especially. How in the hell they would even want to give Juan Martinez his M1 conviction let alone the death penalty when he clearly despises women is beyond me. Look at the way he treated Alyce LaViollette on the stand, he has so much contempt for strong willed women it isn’t even funny. She freaking owned him IMO, so that was pretty satisfying. If that idiot alternate juror ever finds herself in an abusive relationship somewhere down the road, that would be karma. But I don’t even wish that on her because that would make me just as bad as the HLN sheeple.

    • Ms LaV, knew very well she was dealing with an aggressive man, and she must have been on high alert.
      She had just read 50,000 emails of abuse. ok slight exaggeration…
      Fancy receiving death threats after that? She should sue the state for personal trauma due to highly inappropriate sanctioned tampering of witnesses by HLN. Why not sue HLN?
      I feel like suing them for traumatising with violent images and sexual organs combined.
      It’s very offensive.

  138. HI EVERYONE!! ALV RETWEETED MY TWEET TO HER!! I LOVE THAT WOMAN!!! (((((((((HUGS)))))))))))

    • Love her too! What did you say and what did she say? (If you don’t mind sharing…)

      • I think your awesome alice!! Way to stand up to that asshole Jaun. You were strong up there!! Could you retweet this!Luv ya

        AND SHE RETWEETED IT FOR ME!!!

        Shes super awesome!! this is what i sent here a few minutes ago

        I Think you do GREAT things for DV and I think you did great for Jodi. You are a genuine expert and im very proud of you!!

        • That was very nice of you to say that to Alyce!
          She is amazing!
          Such a great woman!
          I learned so much from her time on the stand!
          Kindred spirits Alyce is!

    • Are you sure that’s her? She said on the stand she doesn’t tweet or Facebook or any other social media. Be careful.

      • Maybe she caught up with the times. If ALV can move this fast, maybe SCOTUS can do something in less than 22 years!

        And your answer is “Hah!”

      • You are so correct….AA! When she fax me the note last week. She stated she does not email. If she doesn’t email……I’m sure she doesn’t tweet.

  139. KN appeal to the AZ Supreme Court that the threshold to meet the DP charge was obtained with perjury from Detective Flores & Dr Horn. This looks like enough evidence for an appeals court to SET JODI FREE.

    http://gilli-land.blogspot.com/2013/02/developments-in-jodi-arias-death.html

    Lead Detective Mark Fuhrman took the 5th in the OJ Simpson trial to keep from criminally incriminating himself – looks like Flores & Horn should of plead the 5th also. And I remember the attorney’s saying Fuhrman if found to be perjuring himself could be given the DP himself.

    • All of the pitch fork’s who have made fun of KN might have underestimated him 😉

      • http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perjury

        Perjury operates in American law as an inherited principle of the common law of England, which defined the act as the “willful and corrupt giving, upon a lawful oath, or in any form allowed by law to be substituted for an oath, in a judicial proceeding or course of justice, of a false testimony material to the issue or matter of inquiry.”[23] William Blackstone touched on the subject in his Commentaries on the Laws of England, establishing perjury as “a crime committed when a lawful oath is administered, in some judicial proceeding, to a person who swears willfully, absolutely, and falsely, in a matter material to the issue or point in question.”[24] The punishment for perjury under the common law has varied from death to banishment and has included such grotesque penalties as severing the tongue of the perjurer.[25] The definitional structure of perjury provides an important framework for legal proceedings, as the component parts of this definition have permeated jurisdictional lines, finding a home in American legal constructs. As such, the main tenets of perjury, including mens rea, a lawful oath, occurring during a judicial proceeding, a false testimony have remained necessary pieces of perjury’s definition in the United States.[26]

    • Read the appeal. Can someone anyone tell me what the theory for the aggravator was to justify the DP? What was the premise for the justification for the DP ? Was it that the shot was first or last or was it that the throat was cut or what was it? I believe that both Dr. Horn and Det Flores lied and perjured themselves – this alone should overturn the conviction.

  141. I wanted to bring up something that Mr. Alexander’s brother stated during his Victim Impact statement that was not true, although I am not sure he Knows that. It speaks to how enamored they have all become with the deceased. He read one of Travis ‘s writings from the book he wished to publish, and Travis presented it in the book as though this was his thought, which is plagiarism. The quote the brother read was the age old motivational quote about “A stumbling block and a stepping stone.” I have been around the horn for many years. The brother stated, “Travis coined that philosophy.”Maybe Travis was able to convince his family that this was his quote, as well as his friends at pre-paid legal, but this was not coined by him, and if his brother does not know that he is really out to lunch. Talk about people making someone greater in death than he was in life.

        • I’m kind of bummed out that Travis never completed his bio. He was unique in the sense that I know of no others who have been pedophile priests while running a multi marketing pyramid scheme and still find time to read the Gospel of one of Buffalo, Hew York’s finest prophets, Joseph Smith.

    • What really bothers me about his brother is how he is blaming Jodi for his marital problems. His first responsibility is to his wife and child, not his brother. If Travis was the man they say he was he would tell his brother the same thing. Of course know Dr. Spew says he has PTSD. Wow! What a joke.

      Another thing that has recently upset me was in the closing of the penalty phase by JM. The state has insisted by the time stamps on the photos this all took place in 62 seconds, right? During the closing he had everyone concentrate on 2 minutes of silence. Not saying TA death was enjoyable, but I have had friends die horrible deaths were they suffered a lot longer than 2 minutes.

      • I would be very surprised to hear that any of these very damaged Alexander childhood survivors, did not present with any numbers of psychological disorders. I expect it from them, on many levels, They had such poor neglectful physically and emotionally and sexually abusive parents.
        They were their role models in life, and likely scammed and cheated and stole to score drugs. There was obvious violence and probably domestic violence too.
        That’s a legacy left to their children, and probably their children’s children. It looks like a clear of intergenerational abuse to me.
        We should not expect them to behave ‘normally’ they are very very angry children still.
        They have all experienced the worst possible things done to little children.

    • Rebecca I have long said that Travis plagurized alot of what is on his site. You can tell his own writing at times because it is so substandard. I think that whole speal about the year 2008 and how he will become this great person, and how it will be the best year of his life, was probably stolen from somewhere. I just can’t figure out where. Maybe he paraphrased or reworded it, but I honestly don’t think he had either the intelligence, nor the literary ability to write that passage entirely on his own. I was not surprised when I read what you wrote here about him stealing that quote.

      • His writings were the usual motivational meaningless nonsense. Just words. Mostly grandiose New Years resolutions. You are so correct. His writing skills were poor, and a deep thinker he was not. He would fail a Philosophy course.

      • Huh. This sounds so familiar. I remember one of my friends a few years ago was recommending a book called something like How to Have the Best Year of Your Life in 10 Steps or something like that. I can’t stand motivational stuff so i never got it, but I do remember her going on and on about this book and how it worked for her. I will have to search around. Since he was such a fan of motivational books I bet that had just come out. I will see if I can put two and two together. 🙂

        • The book I had in mind is Your Best Year Yet! Ten Questions for Making the Next Twelve Months Your Most Succesful Ever. Of course, there’s no knowing whether Travis read it. It was published prior to 2008 so he could well have. All his motivational nonsense is silly to my mind. And you don’t need to waste 3×5 cards to write out each of your tasks for the next day. Ever heard of a list?

      • When I read his blog where he says, “This Year will be the Best year of my life”, all I could think was boy, he sure got that wrong. But according to the Abraham Hicks Law of Attraction, he croaked. And he did get two parties thrown for him.

        My friend turned me on to Hicks Law of Attraction a few years ago. I don’t completely subscribe to it, but it has made me learn to laugh more, and be fully, completely present, in the moment, with my cat!

  142. I think ALV tweeter is real if you go all the way to the first one it sounds like her all the way through but you never know. but she retweets both the good and bad like a real expert in DV so you never know!! I think I ‘m going to call her to make sure though and tell her myself how much she really is supported !! I mean I started my petition because of Jodi and everyone’s treatment through out this trial!! I think she is really brave! Hey guys can jodi receive letters yet? where is she at ? did they already take her to the prison?

    • Not yet Krista…I believe she will remain where she is until after the new jury stage. When she gets to Perryville I believe she will be able to receive letters.

      For now, it’s postcards only…..

      ((((((((((((((((((hugs to you girl))))))))))))))))) Good to see ya!!

      • (((((HUGS TO YOU TOO)))))))))))))) It’s great to see you too! I hope your holiday is going good!! I am getting ready to go get a bike tire !! YAY! LOL!! And of course thinking of Jodi . So she can have post cards ok. can she recieve gifts? and can she write back?

        • gifts are only from the website they approve – and yes she can write back if she chooses……I believe there is a website with the listing of what is allowed and not allowed….it was posted a few days ago if I remember correctly. I’m sure someone here has it. 🙂

          • YAY!! I hope she writes me back !! I love her and i wish she was out here with us enjoying the day so i thought i would write her and get her something . maybe i’ll ask her what she wants. do you think SJ can send the website or list to me!!

            • SJ knows “all” LMAOOOOOOO I’m sure he will share if he does have it. 😉

              • Jodi can write back. I don’t know about gifts but I know she can get books, not hard backed though, from amazon.com.

  143. I wrote this poem today. This one is addressed to the Travis Alexander camp & HLN. It is called “For The Haters”.

    “For The Haters”

    You tolerate intolerance on a daily basis,
    Mugging for the camera with your angry faces.
    You say you want a revelation, well, you know,
    It takes more than just a cable television show.
    You ask us for donations which go into your pocket,
    Anything you can pawn to raise funds, you would hock it.
    All you give a damn about is money, fame and power,
    Popping up on the headline news network every hour.
    You claim to be Mormons or Christians, but love to attack
    Anyone that disagrees with you or dares to fight you back.
    Your well-thought out charade is but a façade behind tears,
    Behind it is a sinister agenda led by threats and smears.
    You think one is guilty before proven innocent in court,
    And smirk behind your cocky smile and sarcastic retort.
    But more people are catching on to your bullshit and lies,
    They can hear it in your voice and see it in your eyes.
    You can attack us all you want, but the truth is on our side,
    Our agenda is for freedom and justice, we have nothing to hide.
    So, I proudly support Jodi Arias, a woman of strength and class,
    And, to HLN and Team Travis, I say that you can kiss my ass.

    • Man By Torn Roses

      Why is it that a man can treat a woman like dirt?
      And all his mates will think better of him for it?
      That they can do all of this and any sense of guilt they have
      Gets drowned into the crowd of praise
      They don’t care about anyone but themselves.
      The man who cheats on his girlfriend with her best friend
      Or the man who beats and abuses his wife
      And all of the time the woman is too scared to speak out.
      Convinced that it’s her fault, that she must have done something wrong.
      Or she’s that scared of being alone that she turns a blind eye.
      Even after all the pain and misery he’s put her through,
      She finds herself thinking of him constantly
      Always wishing he would love her as much as she did him.
      Because then everything would be all right.
      She always forgives him; he tells her that he loves her
      And he’s sorry and then it’s all forgotten,
      A dark secret that no one needs to know. It’s the same each time.

      He comes home drunk and dinner isn’t ready.
      Its 3am,
      He doesn’t care; he punches her in the face,
      She deserves it.
      When her friends ask how she got the black eye
      Or the doctor wants to know how she broke her jaw; it’s the same story
      ‘I fell down the stairs’
      No one believes her anymore, but what can they do?
      She wouldn’t testify in court or speak to the police, its her secret
      And she loves him.

      She wouldn’t do that to him
      She couldn’t hurt him like he hurts her.
      No one deserves that.

    • Hi there I signed your petition!! Did you sign mine? I think we could work together and get rid of these pigs!! What do you think!! : )

        • Yeah good luck to both of us!! I hope we can get something going . These people need to be stopped before more people get hurt. They are crazy!!!!

      • FB supporters seem to like the petition so far RB! 🙂 They are signing it,yay!

        • HEY ((((((((((((((((HUGS MARIA))))))))))))))))))))))) Could you mention mine there too? maybe if we can get a ton on both then when can put them together and take care of this problem!!! What is the jodi support fb site? i have never been there?

          • There are a bunch of groups:Jodi Ann Arias Support Group,Jodi Arias Supporters Group,Jodi Anna Arias-Overcharged and Undeserving of the Death Penalty/,odi arias’s acquittal by apppeal page,friends and family.Jodi Arias Friends and family,Jodi Ann Arias positive support group.
            Some are good,others not so active.Send them a friend request.

    • I swear, the entire article seems to be describing Travis (except the description as incest perpetrator) –

      but this paragraph really jumped out at me:

      Objectification
      Batterers and child sexual abusers tend to have strong capacities for mentally dehumanizing or depersonalizing their victims. They both use degrading language aloud and in their own minds, and see their victims as inferior to them in sensitivity, competence, and humanity. They are able to shut out any awareness of the victim’s feelings, and even to convince themselves that the victim is happy in the relationship. This is an important underlying factor in their exploitative behavior.

      • Journee
        And women like Jodi wonder how they were pulled into it.
        It’s a mental seesaw.

        Ptting them down to the lowest and then telling them they are the best.

        I’ve always wondered why women stay with men like this AND with Jodi and Alyce and
        Dr. Samuels I learned a lot.

        The one thing that really stands out in my mind though is Travis telling Jodi she would
        feel his wrath, the way he said it was like I shivered just listening to him. I forget what it was about but
        no one should talk to anyone like that. He was totally controlling and juan wants to say Jodi was manipulative when it was Travis.
        I NEVER saw that in Jodi.

        • Every juror should have snapped to attention with those words if nothing else. Only someone who is threatening physical violence says that. Those are the words of an abuser. Those words were meant to terrorize.

          The worst time for a victim of DV, and I’ll use victim here for the time being, is when she is leaving or during the two years after she has left her abuser. That is when he is most likely to attack with intent to kill. My children and I narrowly escaped being killed by my ex husband a year after our divorce was finalized. It is not surprising to me that Jodi’s life-or-death struggle took place after she had finally moved back to California and thought she had made a real effort to move on. They will intensify their efforts and crack down. Not every victim of DV survives that period. It is one of the major deterrents to getting out.

          The more people understand how abusers work, the more they can help targets of abusers get out safely and early, and become survivors too. We must all stop asking, Why does she put up with it? And instead ask, Why does he do that?

          Every single one of us could become a target. These abusers are highly skilled at what they do. They seek out targets for all different kinds of reasons. Intelligent, educated, successful, boundaried, beautiful….or not. If you have a defense, they will eliminate it over time. It is what they do. But even so, women (and men) do eventually leave. So when you meet one of us, please don’t say, Why did you stay? Please don’t ask, Why did you put up with it? We didn’t.

          And to the ones still struggling to find the right time: you will find it. I promise you will. He may have you thinking it will be impossible to survive afterward but it will not be. He may have threatened you with custody. I know how overwhelming it can feel. Find the system that is out there for DV victims and make your getaway plan. Have that first conversation secretly and find out what tools can be put at your disposal. You may be very surprised. Library computers are a great resource for secret Internet searches.

          • >>>The worst time for a victim of DV, and I’ll use victim here for the time being, is when she is leaving or during the two years after she has left her abuser. That is when he is most likely to attack with intent to kill.

            Sooooo very true. I always said that as well about Jodi. She was moving on!

            >>>>The more people understand how abusers work, the more they can help targets of abusers get out safely and early, and become survivors too. We must all stop asking, Why does she put up with it? And instead ask, Why does he do that?

            Every single one of us could become a target.

            YES!!! Preach it girl. It’s soooo true. People think it could NEVER happen to them.

            Excellent post!!!

            • That’s why I bought Alyce’s book.
              I’ve had friends that I knew wouldn’t make it if they went back.
              I really wanted to help them.
              juan saying that Jodi was the malipulater was his and Travis’s way of being the manipulaler.

              Put it on someone else. jaun and the media tried to manipulate the media and the media manipulated the ones that wanted to blame Jodi.
              One of my friends that was abused was manipulated into going back because of their kids.

              I believe Charm and Manipulating are close to the same AND most don’t get away from the abuser because of that,
              In my friends cases I know they didn’t manipulate.

              And I believe that Travis was angry that Jodi was getting on and in fact she was getting a new boyfriend as was Travis, but Travis is the one that couldn’t take it.
              He manipulated Jodi into coming by there ( if she did ) before going to see Ryan.

      • Not a bad article, it describes the issues well, but I would have liked more understanding about how they become like that, she mentioned some things about attitudes and societal reinforcement, but not much about how attitudes arise. Poor parental modelling,and boundary setting is what I think, then it becomes; ‘normalised’ behaviour because no-one knows any different, and it carries with it ‘conferred’ perceived power on and on through generations.
        Men who are violent are not all mentally ill, no they have skewed values inherited from skewed values
        which promote power in relationships.
        I think it is a sign of a very immature inadequate and self-powerless personality.

        • Lundy is a man, and someone who ran groups for batterers for many years. You might want to consider reading some of his books which delve in greater detail into what creates a batterer.

          If you want additional insight, I highly recommend Donald Dutton’s “The Batterer: A Psychological Profile” which details all the available research available as of 2008, and is the most comprehensive look at batterers I’ve ever read.

  146. Good Morning!
    HMD!!

    I may be behind on this but, has anyone heard this?
    It’s way off of what I’ve heard Zach Billings in interviews.
    Zach has said that he was watching TV with his girlfried.
    Also, I had read before there was blood smeared on the washing machine and Zach had washed clothes.
    There needs to be a full blown investigation!!!!

    As 20-year-old Dallin Forrest climbed the stairs of Travis Alexander’s five-bedroom Mesa home, he was filled with a sinking sense of dread.

    It had been days since anyone had heard from Travis, and during that time he hadn’t responded to numerous emails, text messages or phone calls. Even more unsettling, Travis’ car was parked in his garage, and his wallet, credit cards, laptop and cell phone were still in his office downstairs. Yet, there was no sign of Travis himself.

    It was June 9, 2008, and Forrest, along with two of Travis’ friends, had arrived at the house around 10 p.m. to search for the 30-year-old entrepreneur and motivational speaker. When no one answered the front door, they used the keyless entry code on the garage to make their way inside the house and eventually toward Travis’ upstairs bedroom.

    As Forrest approached the top of the stairs, he could hear music blaring from an adjacent bedroom. He knocked on the door and found Travis’ roommate, Zachary Billings.

    “Have you seen Travis?” he asked.

    Billings shook his head. “I think he’s out of town.”

    Travis was scheduled to depart the following morning for a cruise to Cancun, but the girl who was supposed to accompany him had been trying desperately to reach him for more than a week to no avail. After explaining their cause for concern, Billings retrieved a key and unlocked Travis’ bedroom door.

    As the double doors were cast open, a foul order pervaded the air. Later, it would seem strange that no one had noticed the smell earlier.

    Cautiously, Billings peered into the bedroom and headed slowly toward the master bathroom, with Forrest following closely behind.

    Suddenly, a large dark spot on the floor caught Forrest’s attention. On the carpet was a dark pool of a thick, tacky substance he immediately recognized as blood. Forrest’s heart began to race. He continued hesitantly toward the bathroom, following the trail of dryed blood.

    “Oh my god,” Billings gasped as he turned and rushed out of the room.

    Forrest shrunk back in horror when he too noticed the figure slumped over in the shower.

    “I saw him curled up, you know, in the shower on the ground,” Forrest later told police. “I turned. I turned right back around.”

    Backpedaling out of the master bedroom, he ushered the others back outside the house.

    “He’s not alive,” Forrest said, his voice trembling. “Call 911.”

    Moments later Travis’ normally quiet house would erupt into turmoil, as police and paramedics flooded the scene. Travis Alexander had been shot in the face, stabbed multiple times and his throat had been slit from ear to ear. The fatal wound, the medical examiner would later determine, was a single stab directly to the heart.

    It was a vicious murder with an unlikely victim and, as police would soon discover, a disturbingly unusual suspect.

    • Aly…

      1.) Don’t forget to add that on Thursday, June 5, 2008…Travis’ CTR ring and watch was found on the kitchen counter by Kim…she is Enrique’s girlfriend…Kim told Enrique about it on their way to the Temple…Enrique said that was unusual because he normally doesn’t go anywhere without his CTR ring or watch…(Flores report page 16)

      2.) Just recently on Enrique’s live interview on HLN….he said something about in hindsight…Travis’ bathroom light had been on…this was the first time that I have ever heard of the bathroom light being left on…(the live link is blank on their page…but I found this transcript of the live interview)

      Is it true that someone, maybe your girlfriend, noticed travis’ ring was sitting out, and that was very unusual?…

      00:21:44 >> Yeah, there were just a couple of things that in hindsight, maybe if we were more aware, we could have put two and two together.
      00:21:53 For example, the ring, you just mentioned, laying on the kitchen counter.
      00:21:58 The bathroom light being left on.
      00:22:01 Just little things like that.
      00:22:09 In hindsight, are, you know, little red flags.
      00:22:11 At the time you just don’t think something like this could happen at home.
      00:22:13 It’s not something that you really kind of realize there’s something wrong.
      00:22:16 >> Enrique, why couldn’t anyone smell his decomposing body?
      00:22:22 >> Well, it took a while for the odor to even get past the master suite.
      00:22:27 The house was pretty big, two-story, at least 4,500 square feet.
      00:22:33 Travis’s bathroom is in the opposite corner from where my bedroom is on that top floor.
      00:22:39 There’s a great big loft that separates the space between the bedrooms and where the master closet and bathroom are located.
      00:22:47 It just took time for the smell to even just get past those walls and become noticeable to us.

      http://livedash.ark.com/transcript/nancy_grace/50/HLN/Wednesday_May_22_2013/652854/

      • Thanks Truth!
        How and WHY weren’t these people all called to testify?
        There are bullhit flags all over their interviews.

        Little red flags???
        How about SO much blood?
        Where was the dog?
        Did they say the dog wasn’t there????
        Everyone of them are lying. They have to be.

        There weren’t little red flags, There was proof that they had stayed in that house for
        5 days KNOWING a hell of a lot.

        In the very beginningwhen I didn’t know much about this case at all, I do remember Jodi saying
        IF you want to know what happned yoi need to talk to the roommates.
        She was right!

        All 6 came to the conclution that it was Jodi, BUT no one saw her there and the cover up strted then.
        I HOPE so much that SOMEONE fnds the TRUTH!!

        • so why do u think jodi confessed then?
          the defense didn’t offer any other scenarios that i remember.
          i have a theory, but the defense didn’t bring that up either.

          i do not think she’s protecting anyone.
          she either did it as she’s stated or can’t truly remember the events correctly, and the cops, etc. “planted” the story in her head.

          i agree re: roomates, etc. but hasn’t that ship sailed?
          why wouldn’t defense bring that up or other alternate scenarios?
          self defense is plausible, etc. but defense/jodi didn’t really get across the “overkill”. and the jury’s verdicts stemmed from that, imo.

          society’s answer (expects) is “once u slowed him down u could run away…”
          that also was not clearly addressed. ‘being afraid, etc’ is not a good enuf reply, whether true or not.

          what i hate, and many here too i’m sure, is when someone is accused of a crime, things U think r normal, etc. have to fit what the justice system considers “normal response”.
          that can b a tough hurdle to overcome.
          like in PA (& prob. other states) – and i’ve mentioned this – if someone enters ur house and a fight ensues U r EXPECTED to leave the situation as soon as u can. to stay and fight, even in YOUR dwelling, can result in a crime (usual Assaults) if u win the fight.

          then, u have to answer to what society’s response would be.
          sadly, being honest doesn’t always cut it. making a decision under stress SHOULD b a factor, but then the da spins, etc. for their conviction rate… then u get jury’s getting tlked out if their positions, etc.
          justice can end being luck than anything else.

          • frank,
            ( she either did it as she’s stated or can’t truly remember the events correctly, and the cops, etc. “planted” the story in her head.)

            That’s my opinion!

    • If they were supposed to leave for Cancun the following morning, why would you as a travelling partner not raise alarm bells for a week, and not try and find where he was? They have a thriving network in the cult, and he was a supposedly fun charismatic guy, they would want him there surely?
      Were they supposed to meet at the airport? Or somewhere else? What plans had been made made for the dog?
      Why did no-one in Cancun question their whereabouts?
      Still not figuring it out:)

      • Fred,
        I keep asking the same questions.
        Why did’t the jurors wonder and qustion the same things.
        They were tols Travis was dead when they got there and the guy that said he got that message TRAVIS IS DEAD sad they went on to Cancunand would “discuss” it there.
        I guess the plan to all point the fingers at Jodi.
        None of it makes no sense..

  147. Hi guys,
    (((((((((((((((((TEAM JODI)))))))))))))
    (((((((((((((JODI))))))))))))))))))))

    I don’t know how to start a petition. But I think a petition to boycott HLN and everyone who has a commercial on their channel would rock. I started making a list of the companies that advertise on HLN and am going to write to them but I don’t even know who the petition would go to or how to start a boycott like that. I don’t even know how to start a petition LOL.

    Happy Memorial Day and a big thank you to anyone who had been in the Military or has family who has been in our Military for standing up for our rights. I appreciate them and their service and their incredible unselfish gift of themselves.

  148. I really appreciate Al, AA, GeeBee2 and all of the other people that put so much time and investigation into the “wrongs” of this trial.

    However, i think we all need to back up and look at this mess from a far. To me, the biggest issue is not the “misconduct” of the state, the jury, the detective, etc…. Its what our society now deems acceptable to convict a person on.

    Jodi was accused of murder one. Yet, even in the juror 6 interview, juror 8 interview, media reports, hate site posts…The REAL reason people find her “guilty” is because she is a liar.

    It seems simple, but i have said it a hundered times here…She was charged with M1, NOT lying. She could be a child molesting, lying, baby seal clubbing whore, But if you charge her with ONLY M1, then that other stuff means NOTHING.

    This is a HUGE issue in our courts. We hear it ALL the time, people getting ‘labled” one thing, and found guilty for it, all-be-it for an totally different charge.

    Jodi was convicted for being “strange”, “lying”, “untrustworthy”. Listen to the jurors themselves…PLEASE show me ONE single reason they have given that was PROOF of the crime she actually was charged with? Juror 8 said “jodi was dishonest/lied/untrustworthy” 11 times in her interview. How many times did she site actually evidence to the crime as prrof? ZERO…not one time.

    Our system is broken. We are a split nation politically, and that split has now divided all of us into victims and convicts. If you dont want to be a victim, then you better be convicting others. SAD.

    • Well said Sirlips!

      I believe that is why everyone is having a hard time with
      the verdict.

      And as for the sentencing phase…MHO you dont see
      many death penality convictions on a single homocide
      most DP convictions are for the serial killers and child killers.

      Given this trial basically a heat of passion homicide one
      strike and your done.

      Awesome post though!

    • *Big Sigh*

      You’re right. Then they don’t even trust the docs bc they got their info from Jodi. Since they felt that way about Jodi I guess it was easy to fall for the state and their side show. Their job was to examine the evidence wo bias and lets face it they didn’t do their job.

    • I often wonder if jurors are getting paid for these interviews.
      If they are, then I assume they are pre rehearsed with
      the media to fit their story that they having been covering
      during the trial.

      • yes, these jurors are paid for their interviews, just as Jodi was paid to do the interviews she did. Everyone wonders why she did those interviews? Money, for her family or for her. Money on your “books” is important in prison.

        • Actually, all the reporters who interviewed Jodi (at least since her conviction) have said that she was NOT paid for them.

          Jurors, on the other hand, usually are paid.

          • So it is safe to say that the jurors rehearse with the
            news outlet/media so that it fits what they have
            been covering?

            This WHOLE TRAIL blows my mind. For sure
            trial by media. Its sad that Jodi has been the
            one that has to suffer. Who is next Zimmerman?

            Not saying that Jodi crime is not bad, but their
            has been numerous people that has done worse
            and got by with a lot less.

    • I agree completely. I don’t know why we don’t just take the next step and incarcerate all the people that we find weird or different. That way our minds are at ease that everyone is thinking the same way. And could we please lets just start holding these trials as a reality TV type thing with Nance narrating and just do away with an actual courtroom and judge. We could use virtual jurors who use their remotes to vote Guilty or Not Guilty. Or they could even text their vote. That way we could just do away with pesky evidence and vote on opinion!! Wait, I think this plan has already been used.

      • that sounds very familiar. where have I seen this before…..Its on the tip of my tounge.

      • Geeze, I’d have to recommend a whole lot of incarcerations for all the folks on the hater sites …. But they’d want to incarcerate me and probably everyone here. Hey, how about this? We got live on one half of the hemisphere and they go live on another?

        • They better go live on another planet so we can start the de-contamination process 🙂

      • ur right. just becos something doesn’t “look right to some” ur branded as a ‘freak’, a nut, etc.
        but then they say “life is stranger than fiction”… and very often it is.
        but in court “life is strange” gets u called a ‘sociopath’ and more.

  149. I really want to bring something down here so it’s seen that I started saying to Dorothy above.

    Nurmi was the first chair on Jodi’s case since almost the very beginning of the case — at least, from the time anything was occurring on it.

    Nurmi was admitted to the bar in 2001. He began working as a law clerk at the Maricopa County Public Defender’s (PD) office in the summer of 2000, before his final year of law school at the University of Wyoming. Prior to that, he was a paralegal. University of Wyoming is currently ranked 113 in the nation’s law schools, so it’s not shabby, but it’s also not the best law school. It has been recognized for Order of the Coif now, but that’s only for students who graduate in the top 10% of their class. Obviously, that wasn’t Nurmi. The average graduate from UWCL was making about $50k based on the last statistics from a couple of years ago. And the school regularly accepts students with a GPA of 3.2 which is pretty low for law school admittance (where I went to law school, they wouldn’t even touch you with less than a 3.6 GPA for example — Ivy League schools won’t touch less than a 3.8). Back when Kirk attended, UWCL had a MUCH MUCH lower ranking, and was not considered a great law school.

    From 2001 to 2011, Nurmi worked at the PDs office. Working as a PD is super experience for anyone who wants to go into private practice as a criminal defense lawyer. You get a lot of trial experience right off the bat — usually you’re in court within your first month. But you get very little, if any, training. Some of my friends who went to work in the PDs office were literally shocked at their own lack of experience straight out of law school and the type of cases they were given.

    Most of the cases you handle as a PD are small. Almost all your clients are incarcerated because they can’t afford bail/bond. Your caseload is stupendous and more than anyone can bear. And you are constantly subjected to budget cuts. Some PDs I’ve known have actually had to share staplers with 5 or more other PDs. You handle everything from misdemeanous to felonies to parole/probation violations to involuntary commitments (mental health) to parental abuse cases and juvenile cases. Cases are distributed evenly to the PDs in the office.

    Many of the cases you handle are absolutely tragic. A friend had to defend a woman who stole bread from a store to feed her kids because she couldn’t afford to pay for it. And she was incarcerated and couldn’t come up with $100 to get out of jail, and her kids had been taken into the system. One of my friends wanted to give her $100 just so she could get to see her kids, but it was unethical. But many more of the cases you handle are the dregs of society. You represent the drug dealers, the mentally ill, and even serial killers.

    PDs may have as many as 25 trials in the same week and still be considered eligible to take on more clients. Obviously then, they don’t have a lot of time to devote to each case. They know their way around the system as well as anyone. But more than 90% of their cases are resolved with plea deals. That’s really their modus operandi, so to speak. Get a plea for the client and the case is off your workload. Their supervisors urge them to seek pleas. In addition, because they’re in court so often in front of the same judges, they are less likely to rock the boat with any particular judge who then might not be as favourable to them next time. In fact, their supervisors specifically warn them about treading carefully.

    Police and prosecution (which also includes a lot of judges) look down on PDs. The public despises you for doing what you do, assuming that all your clients are guilty disgusting vermin. It’s not something you want to brag about. One of my friends many years ago said that he thought he’d get to brag about being a lawyer, but when he started working at the PDs office and saw how people reacted to him, he decided to lie and say he was an actor instead. It just wasn’t worth the hassle. He thought he was going to be helping the poor get their constitutional right to a fair trial met. What he found out was that he was mostly trying to negotiate plea deals for guilty criminals that he knew were guilty as sin but still had to do his best to represent, and even his clients were mad at him all the time because he had so little time to spend with them, and even if he got them a GREAT deal, they always thought he should have gotten them acquitted. He ended up drinking heavily and becoming very depressed and we all persuaded him to leave the PDs office.

    So, that’s the background on life as a PD. According to Jodi’s letter to the court, Nurmi didn’t have a heavy caseload and he was able to spend a great deal of time on her case. That gives me great pause. Why? Why wasn’t he being assigned cases like very other PD? Whereas, Victoria Washington had barely even met Jodi. She didn’t even realize she had a conflict of interest on the case until very very late in the game when trial was already set. (I can tell you that private practice lawyers check for conflicts immediately before even considering taking on the case.)

    In 2011, Nurmi decides to leave the PD’s office and go into private practice. It seems he was willing to remain as counsel if the PD’s office was willing to pay him. But he wanted to focus on a sex crimes practice. I can only assume that he handled a great deal of sex crimes as a PD and that perhaps was his focus towards the end of his time there. As a PD for 10 years (which gave him seniority), he may have been allowed to specialize somewhat and mostly get the sex crimes assigned to him. But he wasn’t allowed to withdraw and was kept on the case. With trial looming, he had little time to build on his private practice. The court ordered the PD to pay him $225 an hour. That’s a very low fee for a criminal defense attorney. When you consider he has to pay malpractice insurance, he probably still had law school debts (because making $60 or so at the PDs office wouldn’t have given him a surplus to pay all his debts), rent for an office, staff, benefits, annual licensing and continuing education fees, he’s not taking home a bunch of money. I’m sure he was able to take some other cases. But the amount of time he had to devote to this case as trial loomed did not allow him to take on the cases he would have liked to. (Of course, the publicity from this case will send clients to his door in droves. Win or lose, there’s no such thing as bad publicity!)

    So, let’s think back again to why did the defense go with self-defense? Well, that was decided before Willmott came on board remember? Willmott was a former PD herself, by the way. I’m not sure when she went into private practice though.

    But as I mentioned, PDs are used to getting plea deals. Nurmi was hoping to settle this case and walk off into his private practice where he could finally set his own hours, choose who to represent and moreover who NOT to represent, and make some money. I’m sure Nurmi thought they’d easily persuade Martinez to accept second degree murder. That seemed like a slam dunk. At that point, Nurmi seemed to really believe he was also going to get the letters admitted into evidence. He used that as a coup de grace in his plea offer. He was probably convinced that the Alexander family would not want the truth about their brother to come out, so he could end that suffering, and deliver a conviction to Martinez (a plea IS a conviction, by the way). He had probably convinced Jodi (and her post-conviction interview and tweets seem to echo this) that, although she might have to take the max sentence, Martinez would not pass up such a sweet deal. And honestly, anywhere else in the US (with the exception perhaps of Texas, but maybe even there), second degree would have been a slam dunk deal. Jodi didn’t want the truth about Travis to come out.

    I’m also sure Nurmi told Jodi that “whodunit” was a seriously risk proposition. He couldn’t get lesser included offense into the jury instructions, so it was an “all or nothing” proposition. If it didn’t work, the jury would convict her of first degree murder (which they did anyway). But with self-defense, she had a chance of lesser included offenses, and the jury might just pick from one of those options because she’s young and attractive and jurors, in general, don’t like to put young attractive women to death.

    Conversely, Jodi didn’t remember what happened, but there was a shoddy enough investigation, and many clues and tips that weren’t followed up on to put on a case of not guilty – third party. Nurmi also wouldn’t have had to put Jodi on the stand. She wouldn’t have had to talk about the abuse either. But I suspect Martinez had told him if he proceeded with “whodunit”, he was going all the way to trial.

    Remember, there are many trial disposition conferences before a trial date is set. The judge may well have strongly encouraged that some sort of plea be put on the table (judges often do that), and Martinez may even have alluded to the fact that second degree murder was a plea his office would consider … at least, in front of the judge.

    Who knows whether Nurmi ever handled a case of self-defense before? He may not have. He also may have little experience with domestic violence — other than defending abusive men. It’s highly unlikely he ever defended a woman who killed in self-defense before. But in 2011, Sharon Hocutt, who shot and killed her sleeping husband in 2006 and buried him in her back yard for 3 years before confessing, was acquitted in Mobile, AL. Also, Barbara Sheehan was acquitted in NY after shooting her abusive husband with two different guns 11 times, and Gaile Owens’s sentence of execution was reduced to life after her 1985 conviction for hiring someone to kill her husband in Memphis, TN, and she was released. In 2010, Shanique Simmons was acquitted of stabbing her on-again, off-again boyfriend in New York. In 2007, Victoria Dales was acquitted of attempted murder in Naples, FL when she shot her abusive husband damaging his spine. Nurmi well well have thought those acquittals would intimidate Martinez — even though less than 1/3 of self-defense based on abuse defenses are ever successful. Perhaps Nurmi thought the tides were changing.

    Most of all, I really believe he thought Martinez would accept a plea and that the Alexanders would favour it over the truth coming out about their brother. But I don’t think the Alexanders would believe the truth about their brother if someone presented them with a video of him beating the crap out of a girlfriend or one of him fondling a little boy.

    While the decision was always the Maricopa County Attorney’s to make and they weren’t bound by the desires of the Alexanders, in that area agreeing to something the Mormon Mob don’t agree with wouldn’t exactly present as favourable to re-election. And while Bill Montgomery was elected in a special election in 2010 to replace Andy Thomas who was disbarred for misconduct, he faced another campaign in 2012 against a tough Libertarian about to be endorsed by the Tea Party — until Montgomery toughened up on immigration policies, joining Jan Brewer’s stance. By 2012, many conservatives were disgusted with the Republican party’s choices and looking towards Libertarians. Montgomery was facing opposition regarding his stance on county schools, medical marijuana, and the prison system and its failure to assist mentally ill inmates. Taking a tough stance on the state’s most famous murderess was a feather in his cap to bring attention to AZ and his tough prosecutor, Juan Martinez. It also attracted a great deal of tourists — or crazies who wanted to watch the trial and/or visit Travis’s house. Apart from his tough stance on immigration, taking Jodi all the way to trial might have been the saving grace for Bill Montgomery’s re-election.

    Montgomery is a smart politician who talks out of both sides of his mouth. Rumour has it, until Jan Brewer decided to challenge the term limits, Montgomery was planning gubernatorial bid in 2014. He’s hopeful Brewer will choose him as her successor, however, and don’t forget her statements about Jodi’s guilt during deliberations. Martinez, on the other hand, has his eye on the Maricopa County job, and Jodi’s trial may well have gotten him a good chance of winning.

    Poor Jodi got caught in the middle of a highly charged political mess with a Mormon Mob in a state with a great deal of racism against hispanics, represented by a PD who thought she’d get a plea bargain because he didn’t fully grasp the politics.

      • I hope this posts. This was in response a few days ago to Jeff in Mesa about Sheriff Joe

        I hope it knocks him down a few pegs!! I am a native of Arizona (that means I was born and raised in AZ. I laugh when people are saying that it has cost the county 1.7 million for Jodi’s defense. Please… Sheriff Joe and the county have to hand that out like candy for all of the lawsuit’s. 54 MILLION that has been paid out in settlements and judgements. That does not include the million’s and million’s that the county has had to pay out to judges, elected official of the county board of supervisors. there is a recall for Sheriff Joe, I signed it!! There should be a term limit on being a sheriff, there is a reason as to why the FBI will never have another J. Edgar Hoover. That is what the people of Maricopa County have allowed to happen with his elected position. I could right pages upon pages of the most outrages things about Sheriff Joe and Ex-County Attorney Andrew Thomas ( he was disbarred) seriously you should google it.
        I realize that everyone thinks this state is for lack of a better word, whacked. What the state lacks with not having a high quality County and State Government it makes up with it’s abundance of beauty. Sedona will take your breath away, Las Vegas is an hour plane ride. I can be in San Diego or Los Angles in a 6 hour car ride or and hour and ten minute plane ride. I can be in 75 degree weather in December and drive north for an 1 1/2 hr and be in the snow. No, I don’t work for the chamber of commerce : ) We are growing and growing with generations that no longer believe in these archaic ideologies. This is not just a fight about everything that was wrong about her case. This is a fight against all that is fucked up about every single CASHE player in this game.
        Funny thing would be to see Montgomery run against Andrew Thomas for Governor in 2014 (remember Thomas was removed from office and dis-barred). If Juan tries to run for County attorney, I will be campaigning so hard for whomever will be running against him!!!

  150. I just started following ALV on twitter. When I follow people on twitter I often turn off retweets. You can do that where you go to see who you’re following. This way you can only see what the person you’re following writes or retweets and not what everyone else in the world has to say. Just and FYI if you don’t want your twitter full of possibly negative stuff or just full.

    • I thought while she was in court she said she wasnt privy to the social media.

      Be careful!!

      • ALV is on twitter, she does have lots of nasty people commenting though and I would like to smack them upside the head.

        I follow her. i think she posted that she has an assistant do her tweets if I remember correctly.

  151. I posted this morning but can’t seem to find it so here it is. The State and Juan Martinez spent 5 months using sex, lies and videotape with the help of the media and the haters and still they couldn’t get their death penalty. So I suggest they give up all this dry humping and offer a plea deal. But Jodi should not give up her rights to an appeal! Also imagine had the jury been sequestered Nasty Nance’s ratings would have dropped by about 12 to 16 viewers if we include the alternates. I dissed Shawty(new name for JM) on Jodiisinnocent’s like page and have gotten a couple of outraged replies. It’s all I can do not to engage these frothy mouth feeble minded people but it would do no good so I will let them make their dumb comments. You just can’t fix stupid.

    • Gwen, sometimes I just like to bait them because I get some sort of perverse entertainment in watching them stumble over each other to comment back. It’s a sort of amusing sport for me. It never ceases to amaze me how stupid they are. Just when you think they can’t get any dumber…………they do. heh heh

  152. I was reading up the page that some girls find TA good looking. I’m not one of those girls. I don’t this he’s disgusting but in every picture he seems smug and in many of them he’s holding out him arms like look at me. I try not to judge from pics bc I am not photogenic at all. But he just gives me the I don’t want to hang out with you ever feeling.

    • I think he practiced in front of the mirror that lost little puppy look seen in a lot of his photos. Some girls found it appealing, but at least 4 women didn’t think he was marriage material: Jodi, Mimi, Lisa and Linda.

    • i also felt he was smug! but “they” call jodi smug. but i don’t see that in jodi.

  154. Also Abused, I found your post so interesting and informative. I live in Canada and it really helps me to understand how politics plays out down there. I think you could be right about the defense not tuning in the the political plays that were going on. Isn’t it a shame that a client can’t just be defended without the lawyers having to think about and deal with all the political razamataz of elections and so on. How can anyone get a fair trial in that climate? Thank you so much for the explanation. It is another view of what went on here.

    • You’re very welcome Judy. I’m glad it was helpful. And yes, I don’t believe a fair trial can be achieved in many politically charged racist states. It’s disgusting.

    • The tents deployed for living spaces to Iraq have gensets for heating and cooling. I have been in them, in fact on an extremely hot day, it was too cold in a tent without a jacket. This is not like the military surplus canvas tents from WWII or Korea era.

    • after he’s dead his legacy will be mean old nazi bastard and the sheriff part won’t matter

  156. Over the past couple of days I have scrutinized and analyzed Travis Alexander meticulously. Tonight I would like to bring the focus back to Jodi Arias. Outside of this forum, there is very little that is known about Jodi Arias yet many people have gotten to know Travis Alexander very well thanks to a well-orchestrated and well-funded campaign on television and the Internet. Why do we know so little about Jodi yet so much about Travis?

    I think that part of it is that, for the most part, Jodi and her family have kept a relatively low profile and stayed out of the public eye. I find it interesting how Travis Alexander’s supporters criticize Jodi for doing interviews during this trial, but they have no problem whatsoever with everyone from Travis’s friends and family and showing up to do nightly interviews on HLN. Personally, and I mean no disrespect to anyone here, but I think that Jodi would have been better served had some of her family and friends made a more visible profile during this trial. Maybe this time they will do that and help her, but to not have any character witness step forward to speak up in her defense and say and do whatever is possible to spare her from the death penalty? That is unconscionable.

    Jodi Arias had no criminal record prior to meeting Travis. To my knowledge, none of her previous boyfriends have ever claimed to have been victimized by her. If she was such a witch and a cold-blooded stalker, then why would Travis Alexander have allowed her into his place in the middle of the night and repeatedly have sex with her later that day? The typical response that we get from Travis’s supporters is that “Well, Travis was a guy…what do you think he was going to do?” That may not be a surprising response, but what IS a surprising response is that it is coming from women, not men. Most of the jurors who convicted Jodi were men, and I’ll come back to that soon, but the majority of Travis Alexander’s supporters are women. Why? I think a large part of it is jealousy, prejudice and misplaced loyalty.

    Jodi is a very physically attractive woman. And she also has what some might call an “exotic” look with her olive skin, brown eyes and, at the time, she wore blonde hair. Now, this might be a controversial thing to say, but I’m going to say it anyway: I think that if you look at the majority of Travis’s supporters and see the large number of white faces, and you factor in that this trial is in Arizona where they recently passed a controversial law against illegal immigrants, discrimination against Jodi is not beyond the realm of possibility. Much has been made about her hair color changing from blonde to brunette. How dare she change her hair color! How dare this dark-haired woman of Hispanic descent dye her hair blonde? Who does she think she is? Maybe I’m wrong, but I would not put it past the Travis supporters, the jury or some in the media.

    If you look at Travis’s MySpace account, he has multiple women flirting with him on his main page or commenting on his photographs. I know that women often times are worse on each other than men are against other men. It does not take much for jealousies to form and I wouldn’t doubt that a lot of these female friends of Travis resent Jodi because A) she’s beautiful and B) she got Travis. And there are women out there who never even met Travis that have developed crushes on him and carrying posters of him outside of the courtroom as if he is some heartthrob.

    Most of these people won’t take the time of day to listen to Jodi or study her and her experiences. I did. I listened to many of her interviews. I read her blogs. I looked at her profile on MySpace and read about her interests, hopes and dreams. I listened to interviews and read many where people who know Jodi very well described who she is. Jodi Arias is a good, intelligent, compassionate, loving, passionate, romantic, funny, witty and lovely woman. She loves her family very much and I know that it is absolutely killing her that she can’t be with them. She cares very much about what people think about her and those cruel things that people say about her are very hurtful, but she gets back up every day and continues to face the fire. Jodi doesn’t run, hide or surrender. She’s a fighter. And, it would have been very easy for her to have pled guilty by now and taken a much lesser sentence. She did not. Because Jodi did not pre-meditate Travis’s killing. I believe that Jodi internalized a lot of emotion and it all came out during that fateful day. Many people ridiculed her for saying how she couldn’t remember certain events and was in a “fog”. It is not uncommon for many people in very stressful situations to “black out” or to temporarily forget where they are in that moment, especially when it is a traumatic one. Jodi didn’t react out of anger. She reacted out of fear. And I firmly believe with all of my heart that Jodi would much rather have Travis be alive today than to be dead. I feel the same way.

    Jodi is truly in a damned-if-she-does, damned-if-she-doesn’t situation. No matter what she says or does, in the eyes of many people she is wrong. And, most of them will probably never be persuaded to change their allegiance from Travis Alexander to Jodi Arias. However, I was one of those people that was and I know for a fact that I’m not the only one. As long as we keep pumping people with the truth and exposing the lies of the Travis Alexander supporters and HLN network, we could persuade more and more people to join TEAM JODI. On a personal note, I am doing this for a greater reason than helping Jodi Arias win justice and freedom. I want to help domestic abuse survivors by raising awareness so that more men can join the fight and help them. Any man can dress nice, work his way up the corporate ladder to make a good living and learn to be a charismatic speaker. But someone once told me that character is when you do the right thing even when nobody is looking. I think that finding a man of character is far more important than finding one who is A character.

    Finally, I have something to say to Jodi’s family here. I don’t know you all, but from what little I do know of you I believe that you all are good people and I just want you to know that I’m thinking of all of you 3,000 miles away on the other side of the country. I know that Jodi is innocent and that she has a beautiful mind and a lovely heart. One of my best friends once said to me something that I always try to remember when I’m stressed out and that is “The heart always goes to the warmest place for the heart is the temple in which all truth resides”. I’ll always be here for you and Jodi. God bless you all.

    • I can’t read her blogs on myspace. Is that bc I don’t have a myspace account?

    • I found it. A blonde moment, sorry! All I had to do was scroll down. Wow, I feel dumb.

      But I’m glad you brought it up so I looked again. It helps me to know what kind of postcards to get her.

    • Frank going public with Jodi voice would have gotten them killed and the networks did not want to here anything good about Jodi only the bad things you saw that when people called in to say something good they were cut short and not allowed to talk ….

  157. Watching Deanna on Dr. Drew….(gulp). Well, I’d leave her a bunch of books and my dog, too. I mean—where else is she going on a Friday night.

    • LOL! I’m glad I checked the page again! I’m one to talk I was home w my cats and the internet Friday but that was really funny!

    • The Mormon church has nothing to do with this trial, And I apologize to all of you for those who are members of this church and are acting like idiots and giving the church a bad name. does anyone know how to contact the administrator of this site? there is a petition started by a new site on facebook to shut this site down. it’s called justice remembers and here is the link to the petition http://www.change.org/petitions/jodiaraiasisinnocent-com-take-down-the-jodi-is-innocent-website

      just thought they might want to know but I have no idea how to get in touch with the owner of this website.

      • No one has to act like an idiot to give the LDS a bad name..they do that very well all by themselves!

        • Excellent Pat . . that one looks like if they aren’t already they’re a candidate for recruit . . have fun on baptismal day lol

    • Why are these people still going on TV? What is left to talk about? The dog’s doing well….fine, great….enough with the famewhoring!

  158. Hey guys did you know there are comments from travis to jodi on her myspace page and IT”S ALL GOOD STUFF!!! You should check it out!!

    • Yep,saw them a long time ago and almost made me PUKE! He was a hypocrite to his core.

      • with all that has been said here you knew that was going to happen Jodi’s on words on Tweeter “Let us keep our mouths shut and our pens dry until we know the facts.”

        • I guess I probably don’t give her ‘followers’ credit for enough intellect to realize – let alone inform her – that her tweets could topple Martinez’ house of cards.

    • I read a twitter yesterday between juror 17’s friends and one friend said she advised her to take FB and twitter down because we (who are apparently “vile”) had taken screenshots of her posts and sent them to the defense.

  160. So, is Dr. Drew/HLN sponsoring a ‘Dan Gibb’ (AKA DUI Juror Show)? What a great Tie In until the Zimmerman Trials.

    How compelling.

    Because NONE OF THESE PEOPLE GIVE A FLIP ABOUT TRAVIS OR JODI. They care about ratings.

    • The Chris Hughes-Travis road show won’t know what hit them when the Trayvon Martin trial hits. Get used to it guys, your sell-by date is fast approaching!

      • Yep, and very soon! Zimmerman trial starts in two weeks. The PPL contingent won’t be able to buy HLN airtime then.

      • Ooohhhhhh “sell by date” I like it! A lot!! Next time I see or hear the yapping I will remember the “sell by date” is almost here! Thanks for that!

  161. “Let us keep our mouths shut and our pens dry until we know the facts.” From Jodi’s twitter what what what what does she mean until we know the facts ?????

    • Is that a new tweet from her? I thought she tweeted that a few weeks back? Did she repeat it?

      • no it was way back but just thought we are here talking about the jurors and now that one that was spilling the beans took her facebook down probable because some one was here looking at what we were sayin and told her to take it down so now we have nothing just using jodi own words is all if we had just watch and documented all that was going on and said nothing she would still be at spilling all beans

  162. AA,

    You have probably answered these questions before, but
    due to my work its hard for me to stay on top of things.

    How long does it take to appeal a life sentence and what
    are your thoughts on a retrial or over turning the verdict?

    Do you think politics play a role in any of the above?

    I personally think that another jury will give her the
    DP cause of all the media propaganda.

    • GN, I’ll try to answer:

      >>>How long does it take to appeal a life sentence and what are your thoughts on a retrial or over turning the verdict?

      Oh gosh, for all the avenues available? It could take anywhere from 2-25 years.

      The chance of success in a criminal appeal is about 10%. Death penalties in AZ are overturned about 80% of the time, but usually, that just means the sentence is modified. There are really 4 possibilities from any appeal: modification or correction of the sentence without remand; remand for a new trial; remand with instructions that the court look at additional evidence, disregard certain evidence or consider something else differently; or overturn the conviction entirely based on some constitutional right being violated.

      I personally don’t want a new trial because prosecutors learn from their mistakes and more often than not, win the second time around. Chances are high Martinez would still be the prosecutor on the case, but low that experts would still be willing and available for the defense. Any change in strategy or testimony would involve impeachment based on previous testimony. It’s risky business for an indigent defendant who can’t afford a lawyer.

      Did I answer that? Or, were you looking for something more specific?

      >>>Do you think politics play a role in any of the above?

      Yes, sometimes. There may be political pressure on a court (especially SCOTUS if it goes that far) because of new or pending legislation. Also, it depends on the particular political make up of the judges involved.

      >>>I personally think that another jury will give her the DP cause of all the media propaganda.

      I believe it’s very likely too. Also, in the 5 cases where a new jury has been required, 3 of them were sentenced to death. So, the odds are good. But, this really hasn’t been challenged thoroughly on appeal and I suspect it may not be constitutional — especially if it gets as far as SCOTUS.

      • Thanks AA,

        You answered the questions that I was looking for answers on.

        I have had a hard time figuring this ORDEAL out. I’m blowed
        away by the charges. It was a win win situation for the pro.

        Again thank you for your time and response. It is helpful.

  163. ‘O Holy Night’.
    My prayers are for Jodi’s strength.
    and the strength for her family.

    There is no peace for them.
    YET.

    What can WE do? Please LEAD me. Lead Us.

  164. Hello family! I hope you all had a good weekend and a nice Memorial Day Holiday. My father and mother are Veterans, So we always try to celebrate this day and give them their due recognition. Anyhow I have been away from this sight for a couple of days and wanted to check in and say hello and give you all my usual virtual hugs and kisses! I keep wondering how this next sentencing phase is going to play out. It is all so confusing! Love ya, Jessie

  165. Hey I just realized the anniversary of this shit is in like 10 days!! ANd the review is 10 days AFTER on the 20th!! CREEPY!!!!!!! we will all have tobe there for Jodi that day with a ton of well wishes because you know HLN will be FUCKIN SICK about it!!!!!

      • Shit,me neither…
        omg..the haters are gonn ahave a field day posting,going on TV ,spewing venom and hatred.
        I hope Jodi keeps her peace of mind and stays focused on herself and the her well being.

  166. Hello everyone. Haven’t visited in a few days and just wanted to drop in and say HI… Hope you all had a great weekend.

    • HI CRYSTAL!! ((((((((((HUGS))))))))))) Hope you had a great holiday!!!

  167. I’m a newbie who started following this case in the mainstream media in the beginning of April. The more I read and especially the trial clips I watched, the more things didn’t make sense.

    Martinez’ behavior in the courtroom was appalling: badgering witnesses on cross to the point where they couldn’t give coherant testimony. I felt the judge was biased in favor of the prosecution.

    To me, this is a manslaughter case at most, and that only because Jodi admitted to killing TA. I’m still unable to see how she managed that. She’s a small, slender woman. TA was a large man. Even if she was able to kill him, I’m at a loss to see how she moved the body. By the scene evidence, the body was picked up and moved, not dragged, and I see no way in hell that Jodi could’ve done that.

    I was mortified by the testimony that Jodi was forced to give. I’m older but am very liberal and I’m no prude. It was one thing for Jodi to give proof of having been abused, and entirely another to basely humiliate her in the way Martinez did.

    I’m still horrified by what I saw of the trial (if you can call it that). Then, this afternoon, after reading comments from the haters on the mass media outlets, one commenter provided a link to this site and I decided to check you out. I read 2 days of comments here in one sitting and was so relieved to find that there were others who felt Jodi was screwed over.

    I called my cable company to get the info to tune in HLN. I had never watched it before. I wish I hadn’t watched it now. I tuned in time to catch “Dr.” Drew interviewing Deanna along with a panel of other “experts” questioning her. The sheer vitriol dirrected at Jodi angered me.

    Whatever she did, if anything, she’s a living, breathing, FEELING human being. The talking heads were like rabid wolves who’d tasted blood and craved more.

    I, too.wonder about the Mormon cabal and their involvement in this. I know a bit about Mormons. I can’t say that all Mormons are awful as I haven’t met enough to judge, but what I’ve picked up researching them makes it hard to see them in a positive light.

    I hope you’ll accept my application for membership. I look forward to getting to know you. I’ve visited a lot of the links posted in comments and found them to be very educational. I love Pitchfork’s blog, and was very impressed by Frank Queen’s latest blog entry. He sounds like a good man, and as he said, a gentleman.

    • Hello Everybody, I live in the heart of Utah… non mormon catholic girl. Just got back from a mini vacay in SLC. Missed you all….had to catch up on the posts. To the post above… just wanted to say… well before I MOMO (mormon) bash I would first like to say…there are so many good MOMOs they are mostly just born into and led this life without any real choice… my neighbors are very loving. With that said… YOU cannot imagine begin to imagine how they ban together in defense of one of their own. Like I said I am a catholic woman actually married to a MOMO and believe me when I have really crossed him really really crossed him ( and truly I am married to one of the better ones hes actually inactive has always been but grew up Mormon) anyways when I have crossed him in the past…. sounds crazy but it felt as if the whole community had a ban on me… People stop waving… looking at you… You are told your are acting crazy but I swear I noticed things posted at the gym at the store its as if there is a whole conspiracy against you literally you question your sanity. I know I sound crazy but when Jodi said she was afraid for her family from the mob when she was being questioned by Flores ….there is know doubt in my mind what mob she meant and the leader of that mob is Joseph Smith (look him up if you dont understand). I know the fear Ive lived it.. When she lost the admiration of TA Im sure she feared for her life and literally felt cut off from the knees down. Am I crazy?

    • Hi RLS412, Welcome and thanks for your thoughtful post. People post a lot of links here. Have to admit I don’t click on them all, out of caution, but sounds as if you picked some good ones. I’ve learned a lot here in particular about domestic violence from many of the survivors. If you have questions about his site just pose your Q and someone will help you.

      • Getting involved so late I’m sure I will have a lot of questions. I hope I don’t become annoying. I do thank you for the welcome and look forward to meeting more of you.

        I had to turn off HLN. I couldn’t take the hate-fest any more. Can someone repost the links to the trial and interviews from the AZ news? Tomorrow HLN has the juror interview and I’m going to try to watch that if I can stomach it.

        Thanks in advance.

    • RLS412 glad you found our site and glad you left a comment we are all thinkers here and just want to know what happened have you checked out the links above we have videos of the trial and documents and the Flores Report and the detail we did say we need new minds to come together here not ones that are based on bashing Jodi I for one do not believe she did this but we have her saying she did or did the defense team tell her to say it to use the self defense theory I for one believe the intruder story but we cant go back now we are in the process of picking a jury to decide her should we kill her or let her live and AZ is all fired up to kill her we need to figure out what to do to make them give her life so she can get a new lawyer and appeal the case because it was unfair justice from the get go. from the 911 call

    • Well, I suppose we might infer that Juror 17 took down her twitter page in embarrassment because of this blog – except I think most of those words are too big for her.

  169. Sara, I don’t think you are crazy. When a powerful group becomes the nexus around which your life swings, losing the approval of that group can knock the legs out from under you. I’ve seen it happen with other groups such as ultra-orthodox Jews.

    I am an ethnic Jew who is an atheist. I still keep in touch with my heritage but do not believe.

    Add in the incredible power and money the Mormons can bring to bear upon a wayward “sheep” and who knows what they can do. I’ve read of Blood Atonement and that it supposedly doesn’t happen anymore.

    Some Mormons, however, do use ostracisation as a weapon and that fear of losing your place in the group-think could be terrifying to one who has no other grounding in society,

    I think that TA had Jodi so brainwashed that she was isolated from any other sources of social interaction. The fact that she converted to a difficult and convoluted faith alien to her upbringing and previous social circle speaks to that isolation.

    I see her as lost in a game she had no chance to break even in, let alone win. She wanted desperately to be loved and that was her downfall..

    • RL… You are so smart… so managed to say in a couple of paragraphs exactly what had summed up my life. Its so awesome to know that others understand. Thank you.

  170. Do we know if the three jurors who voted for the DP for Jodi are Mormon?

    • There were eight for it and four against it. Don’t know about the Mormon Q.

      • sorry . . . should have been more specific 🙂 I meant the three female jurors who did tv interviews . . . . . . and showed their bias at opening statements.

    • I call BS. I have PTSD. In July of 2002, ten years after Gulf War Syndrome began ravaging his bone marrow, he bled to death in my arms.

      The hospital was kind enough to let me sit with his cooling body for ten minutes before they came to take what was left of him away.

      I still cannot walk into a hospital without images of that horrible last week flooding my mind. I still have nightmares.

      You don’t get PTSD from a death in the family.

      TA’s brother didn’t find the body. Perhaps seeing the autopsy photos during trial traumatized him, but PTSD, I have my doubts.

      I can tell you that If I’d been cross-examined by JM, I might bear emotional scars. The man is an unrepenting, unrelenting bastard.

      • I read a very succinct description that encompasses all the things that might cause PTSD:

        Post Traumatic Stress Disorder is a result of moral injury.

        • I don’t think I’ve ever been pushed to the point of being homicidal. I’ve been upset to the point of wishing certain people would go away and not been fussy about the means to that end.

      • This is what is so ironic about the s____ Doc spew is saying. Jodi goes through this horrible incident with TA defending her self and she is BPD. Steven, founds out over the phone his brother is dead and he has PTSD????????????????????????????????????????????????? I’m not saying that Steven didn’t feel horrified to find out his brother was killed and was a pervert, he probably did. But he has PTSD, come on doctor spew!

  173. Dear jurors,

    Clearly you misunderstood the law. Yes, Jodi admitted to killing Travis, BUT IN SELF-DEFENSE. Killing and murder are two different things. You cannot find her guilty simply because she admitted to killing Travis.

    • Dear jurors,
      are all of you illiterate?Or plain stupid?I bet you were sitting in that courtroom daydreaming all along.Coz you certainly didnt take any of the evidence into consideration while deliberating for the verdict.
      Thank you and God bless.NOT!

  174. I need your help I’m being bullied hardcore by @bubbleeyed, & @lakerfan443224 on Twitter. I need intellectual back up. Please. They are shameless savages.

    @astomski

  175. Good nite family see you tomorrow welcome back SJ we sure miss you but your staff did a good job while you were away.

  176. I just started reading Pitchforks’ latest post, and though I’m only two paragraphs in, I’m excited to know if others here are reading it, too …

    Here’re the first few lines from “Jurors Gone with the Wind (Part 1)”:

    “Following announcement of a mistrial in the Jodi Arias sentencing phase the blogosphere exploded with blame and anecdotal reports of threats towards the jurors who had been unable to come to a decision. Perhaps the kick-off moment was one female juror’s exhortation as she stepped down from the jury box, mouthing over at one of Travis Alexander’s sisters: “I’m sorry…”

    http://babelbooth.com/blog-posts/

    • What did you think, FreshAir? Well, you’ve probably gone to bed now …

      Oh it’s scathing! And incisive. Everybody: READ IT.

      Intellectually, emotionally and socially, this alternate juror is an infant, a twit–completely incapable, apparently, of critical thinking and self-reflection. I haven’t yet seen her on TV, and not sure I will be able to stomach it if I do see her. How low can a person go? I wonder if she has the capacity to feel shame?

      • Yes!

        I do not know if, after reading this analysis, which included quotations of Ms. Antebellum’s many tweets, I can bear to watch her in action–that is, in video and sound. Would I survive?

      • And every flaw pointed out is representative, on a large scale, of how this case has been manipulated and exploited by the media. This alternate juror, this ethically-illiterate person, who would’ve sent Jodi to her death at opening statements just to be in the in-crowd, is a symbol. The lowest common denominator, a pitchfork carrier, a death-monger, a cheerleader for the winning side–just a coward all round. It’s actually embarrassing to see someone openly pander for popularity points.

        • There is a sucking void in this woman’s soul and she is in a frenzy to fill it with the adulatory cries of the murderous throng. She doesn’t realize they are not in fact fixated on HER. Or will not be in five minutes. And she will still have a sucking void. Pathetic.

  178. Good morning, everyone! It really is inspiring and heartbreaking to read the stories of domestic abuse survivors on this website. I just hope and pray that more women know and believe that there are more men that are gentleman and good guys that will love them and never hurt them than they probably even realize. Jodi deserved better than Travis and it personally hurts and angers me when I think of what that man did to her. I would never, ever have treated Jodi or any woman the way Travis did.

    I’m sending Jodi out a postcard tomorrow. I hope that it gets to her soon and doesn’t come back undeliverable. I just wonder if Jodi realizes just how much she is loved and cared about by so many people she’s never even met yet. There is no doubt in my mind that if/when Jodi is released from jail or prison that she will become a voice for domestic abuse survivors. We need more voices especially from the men and even though I have never been abused or an abuser, I am proud to stand with all of you.

    • Morning Frank, i hope you dont mind “using” your post…. Thanks Bro.

      ” I just hope and pray that more women know and believe that there are more men that are gentleman and good guys that will love them and never hurt them than they probably even realize.”

      If i may…. I just hope and pray that more PEOPLE know and believe that there are more PEOPLE that are ladies/gentleman and good PEOPLE that will love them and never hurt them than they probably even realize.

      DV doesnt care what is between your legs. Many guys also have suffered from DV. Most of them wont admit it, but there are ALOT of very abusive woman.

      Typically the abuse is more “terroristic” in nature. Many woman also use the kids to black-mail their Ex’s. Financial extortion is very common, using the kids as leverage.

      I know the majority of DV cases are men victimizing woman, but in reality i would say that 40% of the victims of DV are male, and they dont know or dont report the crime.

      • very true sirlips.

        one of my brothers was married to one…now she uses the kids and visitation as blackmail.

        • I was married to a male DV victim. His ex gf abused him physically and verbally for the two years it took him before he broke off the relationship. Thankfully, he was not living with her.

          She stalked him after the breakup, and once we moved in together, she stalked both of us, following us in our cars, parking outside of our apartment to watch our comings and goings. She broke into my DH’s car and left him a threatening note.

          She slashed the tires on my car. Worst of all, she shot out the back window of DH’s car while he was sitting at a stoplight. The judge refused to listen when Dh and I went before him to swear out an order of protection.

          The only thing that ended the situation was when her parents realized how deranged she was and had her committed. Luckily this was long enough ago that involuntary committment was fairly easy.

          I don’t see Travis continuing to use Jodi sexually if she was stalking him. It’s a terrifying experience. I know that while DH’s ex-gf was a beautiful woman on the outside, DH and I were petrified of her.

          We were never able to prove anything in court, and when DH tried to press charges for the attacks before they broke up, the judge refused to hear the case and basically told him to grow a pair.

          Men do become the victims of abusers and because of our societies outdated mores, it is extremely hard for them to reach out for help, or to get that help when they finally do reach out.

  179. I received a visit earlier today at my home in Spain from Jehovahs Witness missionaries, and was handed a pamphlet entitled ‘ An End to Domestic Violence’. Clearly, domestic violence is a bigger problem than many people care to admit.

    Two biblical examples quoted from the text struck me as being particularly relevant to Jodi’s case :-
    ‘ Avoid abusive speech’ – Ephesians 4:29,31
    ‘ Know that self-respect comes, not from controlling others , but from controlling yourself ‘ – Proverbs 16:32

    On a practical note, if there are to be future trials before justice prevails in this case, I hope that the defence team will file a motion for jurors to be screened from the public. The reactions of the Alexander family and their supporters to testimony must not be allowed to influence the jury.

  180. Stay strong Jodi! Your supporters are fighting with you. We are on your side. The truth will come out and you will be free. I love you and continue to pray for Justice for Jodi!

    • Good Morning AL, i hope you and your family had a good Memorial day weekend.

      Fire on the mountain…. (Smile)

    • Whats Shakin Bacon?

      What would you like to talk about?
      Why do you feel bad?
      Why are you sorry?

      AND WHY DONT PEOPLE THAT HATE THE TASTE OF STAMP GLUE SIMPLY LICK THE ENVELOPE INSTEAD OF THE STAMP? (Hey, if i cant make you smile, its all down hill for the two of us…)

  183. The shame and guilt is crippling me. I don’t even feel in my body anymore. I just feel so alone. My dad just looks at me like I am filth! He is so good with his mind games. The flashbacks have been horrible lately. I am just existing. I feel so worthless.

    • Hayley,

      You need to go to the authorities immediately. Folks have told you that before. This isn’t going to get better unless you do something. Pick up the phone and call the police, or send them an email or do something. Just walk out of the house and go to the closest police station, or hospital, or doctors office. Just staying at home isn’t going to make it better.

      • The cops in my town- my Dad has twisted around his finger. My dad has too much power. I am trying too. Lately, emotionally its just been rough. Thanks for caring though. x

        • Then you call the cops in the next town, and the next, and the next… You can NOT control how they react to the call, but you can control that you are going to get help.

          Dont make excusess for them not doing their jobs, before you have given them a chance to do that job. If you fear they will just “ignore it” then let them have a chance to ignore it, then call the police in the next town and do the same thing. Sooner or later you will find someone.

          The hospital is also a very good idea. Simply go in and say “i would like to talk to a Dr.” It all starts there. The Dr. WILL help.

          You get to take control now. It as simple as saying that, then actually doing it. Stop reading this, stop thinking about it, and pick up the phone or put your shoes on….that is the only choice you have left to make…phone or shoes?

          Let us know how it goes, we will talk to you soon. I would wish you luck, but that no longer has anything to do with it.

    • Hi, Hayley,
      You are so not worthless. Not at all. You are overwhelmed, and that is very understandable given everything you are going through. I understand completely your reluctance to deal with cops in a small town where your abuser knows and has control over those relationships. That could be dangerous for you. You need someone to talk to who can help you formulate a realistic getaway plan. Someone who can put you in touch with the right person or people in your area who can get you out and keep you safe. You need to start by calling this number from a secret place, not from your home phone or cell phone. It is toll free. You could use a friend’s phone or or any pay phone where you have some privacy. This is a helpline. You need a helper. All of us who got out had a helper. You can do it too, Hayley. Stay strong. 1 800 99 10 99
      That is a national number in Australia and you do not need to disclose your personal identification if you choose not to. Get advice and work toward specific instructions for a plan. Good luck!

    • Hayley, I totally understand your reluctance to involve law enforcement. Can you seek out counseling? It’s often free for rape and domestic violence victims. I have a few contacts in Australia I can ask if you don’t know where to begin.

  184. I agree with AA’s earlier post about Nurmi, PDs, the plea bargain, etc.

    I don’t think the actions of the defense team were those of one seasoned in murder defense’s. However, here’s something that has always bugged me about this case. We know there are two stories that Jodi has presented for the events of that day. In as far as the physical evidence at the site is considered, it fits both stories. In as far as other evidence is concerned, there is ample evidence to support an abuse charge. As someone else had pointed out the most chilling statement from TA was the one where he said that “the punishment would be far worse than telling him the truth”. This had to do with him demanding the identity of the person who Jodi was communicating with and a text or email got sent to TA by mistake, or something like that. The exact incident isn’t important, the important issue is the “punishment” statement.

    But I digress. The point I was trying to make was that until sometime in 2010 Jodi stuck to the intruder story. In fact Nurmi had to take Samuels with him to try and convince her to change her story, which tends to make me believe that Nurmi had tried on his own and failed. Now, AA makes a valid point, that given AZ law, Nurmi has a low burden of proof to make the self-defense claim, and of course it allows in the lesser-included manslaughter charge. On the other hand this claim now opens Jodi up to another charge of lying. Given that the state had already rejected the plea deal the defense is faced with a delicate balance between the SODDI (Some other dude did it) and the self defense story. The one advantage of the SODDI defense was that Jodi would never have to go up on the stand. On the other hand, you have this seemingly incredible story of masked intruders, etc. I guess this would have been a difficult choice to make.

    However, in either case the defense is faced with two issues with regards to all the existing evidence. The first one is to show that the evidence does not necessarily prove the state’s case beyond a reasonable doubt, and the second, if the defense does put up another possible scenario, is to show that the state’s evidence is in fact consistent with the defense story.

    To state it another way, if the defense does not put out their own theory of the case they can rely purely on showing that the state’s evidence does not support the state’s case beyond a reasonable doubt. If the defense does adopt a posture then it becomes incumbent to show that the evidence supports their story. It doesn’t matter what the law says – if you make a claim, you ought to show the jury why your claim is valid.

    In this case I don’t think the defense did that. I think their case was built on a premise that, in effect, said we don’t care what the state claims with its evidence – here’s our story, here’s how we are going to back it up and to heck with all the rest of the stuff. This is why their cross of Horn was so lame, this is why they never questioned the forensics folks to any great length, or put up counters to the ME, or their own ballistics or forensics folks, etc. I think it was not till late in the game, possibly goaded on by some of the jury questions and press coverage that they realized that they needed to do something else, and that something else was relegated to Nurmi’s closing argument. For instance, they should have known what DeMarte was going to say, they’d seen her reports, they’d had a chance to interview her, and they still had to motion the court for surrebuttal.

    JM was able to make such a big deal about those damn gas cans and gas receipts. But by the time Jodi was done with her turn on the stand they knew he was going to ram that down the jury’s throat. Why were they not ready with answers. They didn’t even cross examine the Walmart person, even after the juror questions gave them an opening. Why? And they had ample opportunity to ask Jodi about the issue and do any sort of necessary rehab while they still had her on the stand – but they never did.

    So was this just a case of sheer incompetence, as in we don’t have attorneys with adequate experience, or is it something completely different? Guess we’ll never know.

    • FWIW, forty three years later Jeffery MacDonald is still trying to prove his intruder story.

      So while I am inclined to believe that Jodi was telling the truth about intruders, I do believe the climate was such that she could never have proven it, or even raised sufficient reasonable doubt. All they really had was a shoe print and a sloppy police investigation.

      They needed to do a better job with the self defense story. Most of all, I think they needed to tell that jury how the throat wound could have happened in a self defense scenario. Because, IMO, the five jurors who voted premeditation only weren’t buying Martinez’ bill of goods. They were just going on the jury instruction that premeditation can be formed in an instant, and they couldn’t help believing that Jodi HAD to have decided to kill him when she slit his throat.

      • Journee

        The problem I see with your post is as follows.

        You believe the intruder story, however you are professing the self defense claim because the intruder story is hard to prove.

        The problem of course is as follows. If you were on a jury, and you were faced with this situation where a defendant first claimed intruders and then claimed self defense what would you do?

        At the very least you would ask/tell the defense attorney – I don’t care which story you adopt, forget that for the time being. Just show me why the state’s evidence doesn’t add up to the claim of M1. I’ll ignore your clients testimony in its entirety because I don’t know which story to believe. Now just tell me why the state’s evidence doesn’t point to M1. And I think the mistake the defense made in this case was that they left that to the very end – to Nurmi’s closing argument, by which case most folks have made up their minds. They should have attacked that stuff right from the get go.

        Of course it may have made no difference whatsoever with this jury, but at least one would know they tried.

        • I don’t disagree that MUCH more could have been done to shoot down the state’s case.

          But I don’t think the defense team could have flipped anyone without explaining the neck wound.

          • The neck wound is easy to explain. It was part of the life-or-death struggle.

            That jury was going to ignore all evidence, even if they had the actual killing on tape.

            • The neck wound was overkill. He was already wounded. She should have just left and she wouldn’t be where she is today.

          • They dont have to explain the neck would. Why do people continue to think the defense needs to explain anything away, other than the story the state comes up with?

            When our justice systems works correctly, the defense doesnt have to justy one single thing. They simply need to counter any “proof” to the crime, IF there is any.

            IMO, Jodi shouldnt have taken the stand, neither should ANY of the other witnesses. The state failed to prove their story, i wouldnt have called one single fucking witness.

        • Just show me why the state’s evidence doesn’t add up to the claim of M1. I’ll ignore your clients testimony in its entirety because I don’t know which story to believe. Now just tell me why the state’s evidence doesn’t point to M1….

          I think this is where most of us differ from the majority of people out there. The question is does “add up to” = Proof? I dont think so. Does “point to” = proof? Again, i dont think so. I want PROOF.

          I know that “that” is a huge burden to put on a prosecutor, but that IS the burden. Proof.

          Look at it this way. We are purposing that we take away the life of a woman. No Kids. No Big Mac’s. No sitting in the sun. No hugging their family EVER again. No intimate contact. No movie and a pizza night. No ANYTHING. 23 hours of sitting in a cell with 1 hour of walking around in a biggger cell with a wire roof, to let air in, IF you earn that “area” after 2-3 years of being a good caged animal. If they get the DP then they follow this “23/1 routine with killing you… no more BREATHING. No life, period. Death.

          When you are taliking about doing this to another human, you have to be damn sure you are SURE that they did what you THINK they did. You dont get to add a few pices of “non proof” to make one piece of “real proof”. You dont get to let evidence “point toward” a suggested story.

          We keep saying it, but it doesnt seem to really sink in with most people…you need to PROVE what happened.

          There is no video of the crime happening.
          There is no witness to the crime happening.
          There is no confession to the crime.
          There is no “threat” to a 3rd party that she was going to do this crime.
          There is no “journal” stating the plan.

          There is no “HARD” evidence, so there is no PROOF.

          So, back to what you said Al, if i was a juror, i would “say that” when someone asked me: “If you were on a jury, and you were faced with this situation where a defendant first claimed intruders and then claimed self defense what would you do?”

          THe defendent doesnt need a story, the state does. Thast fact the defendent came up with one..or two…or three…doesnt mean shit to me. It DOES prove the defendent lied, for whatever reason, buyt it DO NOT prove the crime anymore or any less to me.

          What If the defendent came up with the “self-defense” story, because the “truth” would have never been believed and she new that? What if the defendent didnt remember ANYTHING, so she made up a story because no-one would believe “i forgot EVEYTHING”? We just dont know. We cant prove why Jodi would lie. But thats not the crime she was charged with, so i dont really care why or if she lied.

          MAYBE she was doing drugs, and didnt want people to know….and she blacked out.
          Maybe travis hit her in the head and she got a concussion and amnisia.
          Maybe aliens from my anus broke in, implanted the memories in her head and THEY killed Travis.

          All i know is that the jury SAYS they found her guilty, because she lied. THATS WRONG. No questions, no debate, no retrospect…ITS WRONG.

      • The fact is she doesn’t claim it NOW, and it never happened.

        People forget all about Samuels’ testimony, which explained why she had such a silly story as intruders.

    • We know why she had the intruder story–that was part of the dissociating involved in PTSD. I don’t buy that first story and never will because she was extremely traumatized and acted very strangely for the first couple of years following the killing.

      People have a right to their opinions about it, but I wish they would understand there is no evidence to show there were “intruders.”

      This was a classic self-defense case, a fight to the death, and one person was going to die in that struggle. If Travis hadn’t died, it would have been Jodi.

      • Tonysam – you know the main thing about the crime scene that supports the intruder story for me? I don’t believe she could have gotten him into the shower, and into the position he was found in, by herself. That, plus the shoe print, plus a crime scene photo of the ‘lip’ of the shower, which shows a scuff mark of bloody shoe tread – and the ‘dragging’ photo shows a foot wearing a sock.

        Aside from that, there’s just all the questions the police never bothered to answer because they’d decided Jodi did it.

        I have no problem at all believing a self defense scenario, or that Jodi would have every right and reason to fight him. It just doesn’t answer all the questions for me.

        • I think she was perfectly able to get him in the shower.

          There were no intruders.

          • The only way Travis could have been dragged into that shower is by someone both tall enough and strong enough to lift all but his feet over the ledge of the shower. If Jodi had done it alone, it would have been a drawn out and concerted effort and, at the very least, his buttocks would have been scraped up, probably also the small of his back and the tops of his legs. The only scrapes were just above his heels.

            • Journee,
              IMO, She couldn’t have drug him over the ledge without all of the marks, you just spoke of PLUS, graffic, but if the say his neck was cut that deep, there is no way he could have been dragged in one piece.

              Maybe someone else put him in the shower and cut him, then washed him.
              None of the other makes a bit of sense.

              Why would she kill him out of the shower and drag him back in? Why not just leave him?

              • You know, his position in the shower is another unlikely factor, as well.

                When they did a recreation on HLN, a woman Jodi’s size dragged a 200lb fireman’s dummy down the hall and into the shower. She struggled with the shower part, DID drag the lower back, buttocks and thighs over the ledge – and ended up stuck behind the dummy having dragged his shoulders into the back right corner. Once she got herself out, she folded the legs in and everyone called it done. But the position was wrong. The shoulders were still towards the back, the buttocks still towards the front – the dummy was not centered with the back against the right wall like Travis was.

                Their use of the fireman’s dummy gave me an idea though. Someone (bigger and stronger than Jodi) could have used a fireman’s CARRY to bring him back down the hall and put him down in the shower – from a fireman’s carry he’d end up posed just exactly like he was. And the fireman’s carry could also explain that trail of blood that runs straight down the right side of the hall (looking bathroom to bedroom).

                Still begs the question of why he needed to be in the shower. Seems like a lot of work. As you say, Aly, why not just leave him where he fell?

      • tonysam,

        I agree with your take.

        A good attorney would of never let Jodi on the stand .. almost all people accused of M-1 who testify get convicted, many of whom are found years later to actually be innocent.

        The defense had plenty of mental abuse evidence and could of cleaned up Jodi’s denials to the cops.

        I watched Jose Baez clean up CA lying to the cops.

        • It was pointed downthread that the two experts wouldn’ t have been able to testify much at all if she hadn’t taken the stand.

          She HAD to, and she was good.

          Armchair quarterbacking really doesn’t do any good.

          The blame rests squarely on the jury for being tainted.

    • Al, that’s kind of what I’ve been saying for a while. I don’t know if you recall (and I can’t even remember the day I posted it), but I was livid about DeMarte’s cross by JW. She got to a certain point, she was scoring, and she simply sat down. Joujoubaby vehemently disagreed with me and said “the first rule of cross, if you’re winning, sit down.” But JW wasn’t quite “winning” yet. She was scoring, for sure. But she hadn’t quite gotten to “winning”.

      I think the jury (just like the media) were frustrated with Jodi being on the stand for sooooo long while everyone waited for her to discuss her relationship with Travis and what led up to his death. When she finally got there, she didn’t remember. What an anti-climax. Have you ever been around someone with a rapt audience to whom they are telling a great, but lengthy joke, and yet, at the end, they forget the punchline? Nothing is so disappointing. The jury didn’t need all the details of Jodi’s life. A little history about her ex-boyfriends was all that was necessary to show that she could, indeed, have normal relationships. But what the jury really wanted to know was what happened with Travis.

      Martinez won points on cross in regards to the gas cans and especially, the magazines with the coded message. He never went back to it. It didn’t look like Jodi’s handwriting. He didn’t ask her if it was her handwriting at all. But he allowed an inference that she was tampering with witnesses. Did the defense address that? No! They appeared blindsided by that, and they were simply not able to recover from it, even though they had days to do so. Why?

      Samuels had one purpose and one purpose only: to explain why Jodi didn’t recall the events of that day. But he was on the stand for days on end talking about basically irrelevant information in detail. As a woman with PTSD, I loved listening to him. But during voir dire, the prosecution made sure to exclude anyone like me or anyone with a family member with PTSD. So, the jury didn’t care. 1-2 days of Samuels would have been plenty. Then, Martinez was able to completely frazzle the guy on cross. I’m truly sorry that happened to Samuels. I loved him to pieces. But wasn’t the defense aware of what Martinez would do to him on cross? They learned by the time they got to Geffner and brought out all the negative potential FIRST! But why weren’t they prepared for that to occur with Samuels? Hadn’t they studied Martinez’s tactics ahead of time? Any junior lawyer (even in law school) learns the golden rule: address the negative FIRST. If you don’t, your opponent certainly will.

      Then, ALV, despite all her wonderful anecdotes, was not THE best domestic violence expert, regardless of her experience, because she is not a psychologist. The defense was obviously severely handicapped when Karp backed out due to cancer, leaving them with little time to find a replacement. Geffner, as a Ph.D. would have been a much better alternative. Perhaps he was not available.

      I waited with baited breath for the one point Journee made above: why the overkill? Why the throat slash? Alyce never explained. Does anyone remember me asking and asking if they were saving that point for redirect? Even if they were, why? Why not bring it out right away? It was obviously the NO. 1 question everyone wanted to know. Even when the jurors asked a question that could have allowed for excellent follow up, the defense didn’t bother to go there.

      The defense didn’t raise the issue of dummy SKUs with the Wal-Mart witness. The jury did. And then, the defense, handed a golden opportunity, didn’t follow up. Good grief. They let the jury ask questions they should have.

      The same thing happened with Horn and his intact dura matter. His typo included not only the dura mater but the falx cerebri. If he meant to say the falx cerebri was intact but the dura mater wasn’t, he wouldn’t have dictated “The falx cerebri and dura matter appear intact” or however that was worded. Did JW ask that question? No, of course not.

      I don’t understand how you can say that the intruder story would have been more difficult to prove than self-defense. Self-defense is a hard sell to ANY jury without a witness. And most importantly, without her calling the cops immediately thereafter. Without the gun and knife, it made it even more difficult.

      But with a throat slash, self-defense was impossible to achieve acquittal. You knew that, I knew that, SJ knew that, and perhaps a few other realistic people here did also. It was obviously NOT the defense’s goal. Yes, there are some here who seem to think it was perfectly justifiable in a self-defense scenario, but the fact of the matter is, it wasn’t and anyone who thinks otherwise is really not living in reality. If the throat slash hadn’t been in the equation, this could have turned out differently.

      Even more importantly, the throat slash was NEVER justified or explained. No witness addressed how battered women who kill their abuser almost always “overkill”. So, if the throat slash was so easy to explain Tonysam, then why wasn’t it explained?

      Tonysam, you see this as classic self defense and you think Jodi was good on the stand. But the point is, she didn’t remember inflicting the actual wounds that caused Travis to die and they were NEVER explained. After weeks on the stand, she finally got to discuss the actual killing and then, she didn’t remember. Don’t you see WHY that caused the jury to see her as a liar? Don’t you see how the defense hurt the case by showing her perfect recall of every detail of her life except this one traumatic incident? Sure, there’s a valid explanation for that. But the problem is, don’t you see how Samuels’ testimony was not believed because he became so frazzled on cross and the defense did not rehabilitate him sufficiently?

      Then, there were the other credibility problems with Jodi: the gas cans (a stupid stupid stupid theory, but it worked) and the magazines. Did the defense work to restore Jodi’s credibility about those? No, they did not.

      Then, there are even people here who find Jodi difficult to relate to or weird and I don’t mean the trolls. She sassed back at JM, she objected to his questions, she laughed at times, and got angry at others. I don’t blame her entirely. He is extremely difficult to handle. But who do I blame? Her defense attorneys. If she was going to testify, she needed to appear meek and mild. Sure, many people excuse that as having spent 5 years incarcerated. But do you think the jury cared about that? And was that even explained? NO! She presented as meek and mild on direct, but defiant on cross. That’s not a good sell to a jury. Her attorneys should have prepared her better, and if they felt she would not make a good witness whose demeanour did not change between direct and cross (which should have been investigated LONG before she changed her plea), then, they should have kept her OFF the stand.

      You also completely fail to understand that this was a death penalty qualified jury selected, in part, because they had the ability to serve as a juror for a very lengthy trial. Because the trial was predicted to last until mid-April, that meant those jurors had to be able to walk away from their lives and careers for 3.5 months without it affecting their health or financial status irreparably. (It ended up taking a month longer than expected, I realize, but that’s beside the point.) So you end up with a potential jury panel (after all the potentials who can not serve for 3.5 months) who are either (a) unemployed, (b) retired, (c) stay-at-home parents, and/or (c) independently wealthy. For the most part, you end up with an older jury — as happened here. In a conservative county and state, a trial involving graphic sex, isn’t going to give you the best odds.

      But death penalty qualified juries are already NOT a jury of our peers. Look around here on an average day of posts. We have people who DO believe in the death penalty, and others who DON’T. Heck, even on the hater sites, there are people who say they don’t believe in the death penalty. Anyone who couldn’t sentence to the death penalty was excluded from the jury. That means that many of us here would have been excluded (even omitting those of us who were abused) from the available posters at this site, that still doesn’t constitute 50% of us.

      Death penalty qualified jurors are more pro-law enforcement than jurors who do not believe in the death penalty, or who are equivocal about the death penalty. Jurors on the whole assume that a prosecutor and law enforcement are more likely credible than a defendant and defense attorneys. That’s a fact. Look it up if you don’t believe me.

      Look at the jurors who are speaking out: a former 911 operator (pro-law enforcement), a former nurse (often pro-law enforcement and jaded by crime injuries), and a banker (generally very conservative — often pro-prosecution). Those are the ones we’ve heard from so far. They have also said (especially No. 6) that they felt a strong duty to serve as a juror. Most people who feel this way also are inclined to believe the prosecution. In other words, they feel they have a duty to convict.

      So, call the jury tainted all you want. But the real fact of the matter is the defense chose the wrong strategy, they missed the boat repeatedly with not “winning” points, they didn’t call a medical expert, they obviously missed critical points (such as the dura mater not being penetrated — which required a medical expert to notice or — laughably — the jury), they let the jury ask about some of the most important issues, they didn’t prepare witnesses to deal with someone like Martinez, or they didn’t realize what he was capable of or thought a death penalty qualified jury in a conservative area — who re-elects Sheriff Joe and Jan Brewer — would not like him, even though he wins the vast majority of his cases, and they presented without having a Plan B when the line of questioning from their Plan A went south.

      The only concession I will give the defense is that they faced a jury that was exclusively white for deliberation (with one Hispanic in the entire 18 possibles, who subsequently was excused for illness prior to deliberations), and not one African American. Therein lies an appellate issue, since they objected to the jury selection, and, it seems Martinez won their objections to peremptory challenges.

      That’s what actually happened here. Like it or not.

  188. TO add to the above, I still don’t understand WHY it was let go that it was a KERO can and NOT a GAS can. That is another thing that pissed me off.

    • cj – I think the reason the DT didn’t make a big deal about the Kero can is because her gas purchases in SLC show she had three cans. If you add up the gallons of gas purchased she would have had to have filled up her gas tank and three cans in order to account for all the gas purchased. So even if she returned the Kero can to Walmart she still had to have three cans to hold all the gas.

      I wish the DT could have talked more about the size of the rental car’s gas tank and the size of the cans to see if there was any way to account for the gas purchases in SLC to be to fill up the tank and two gas cans.

      • hmmmmmmmmm do we know the size of the cars gas tank??????????? Can we figure this out?

    • Agree cj and I heard one of the jurors interview and she DID take the gas can BS into account. She said sge had a feeling jodi was lying about the gas cans but when the (get this) “Kmart” employee verified all the returns, she definitely KNEW! Then she corrected herself and said Walmart. But YES, THATS WHAT CLOSED THE DEAL WITH HER! Im also still very upset that the defense didn’t point it out that it was a KAROcan!!!!!

  189. LOL Well, I was here alone last night and I think everybody is still asleep this morning. LOL Oh well, I’m sure everybody will be up soon enough.

  190. Hey guys, I mailed a card to Alyce LaViolette last week and I received a really sweet card back from her on Saturday. She really appreciates the support she is receiving from everyone. I think it’s important to support people that are speaking out on Jodi’s behalf and speaking out against domestic violence.

      • I did a Google search for Alyce LaViolette contact info and it led me to the Alternatives to Violence website. Alyce’s address in Long Beach, CA is listed at the top of the page and that’s the address I used. She must have written back as soon as she got the card because I mailed it last Friday 5/17 and received a response from her on Saturday, 5/25.

        • I will most def be contacting her. I have wanted to and thought about her for a long while now. I want her to know just what the SANE people think and how much we appreciate what she did and what she does.

  191. Good morning, everyone. I’ve been taking a break the past couple days and it’s been a nice little vacation. Now I’m going to try to catch up on all the comments!

  192. Good morning, afternoon, evening – aww hell: Hi everybody!!!

    I hope everyone had an awesome weekend break from the monotony of their everyday lives and got some well needed and well deserved rest and relaxation. 🙂

  194. Hope everyone had great weekend! Am posting a website that shows how a judge in Indiana has taken control of a death penalty case—-the way the “judge” should have handled JODI’s trial! The website is http://www.courierpress.com (the article is on the front page of the Evansville Courier & Press—-Tuesday May 28th 2013 edition)

  195. Top of the morning, Peeps!

    Had a wonderful, restorative 5 day vacay/break from insanity. Much needed after the madness lately…

    Hope all of you fellow Jodi Supporters had a wonderful holiday as well!!!

    ♥

  196. THE SPEIGHT ARTICLE AND KNIFE FIGHTING

    earlier i wondered whether the defense had ever contacted someone probably ex-military who was experienced in knife fighting

    i’ve revisited it in light of the speight article above, of which i’ve read only a little so far

    as usual google offers a wealth of material
    this time i googled a narrower search parameter “knife fighting”, which also offered
    knife fighting
    knife fighting basics
    knife fighting techniques
    knife fighting styles

    you can also find google videos at
    http://www.google.com/videohp?hl=en
    as you type in knife fighting into the search box google also suggests numerous additional choices

    i presume neither jodi or ta were trained or experienced in knife fighting, though ta’s combat skills gave him a significant advantage in a fight, which jodi was aware of, and feared

    with that in mind while the google material doesn’t show how events unfolded in this case it most likely provides many helpful insights

    if this case proceeds to appeal, and later retrial de novo, i suspect, and hope, it will become a landmark self defense case for equality in law for women, in which society’s traditional patriarchal dominance, especially among the mormons, will be largely broken

  197. A good attorney would of never let Jodi on the stand .. almost all people accused of M-1 who testify get convicted, many of whom are found years later to actually be innocent.

    The defense had plenty of mental abuse evidence and could of cleaned up Jodi’s denials to the cops.

    I watched Jose Baez clean up CA lying to the cops.

    Listen to this top defense attorney (Voted top 40 under 40 by her peers) explain how she would keep Jodi off the stand. And we now all know how painful it was to watch JM abusing Jodi on the stand.

    “Published on Feb 5, 2013 – Evangeline Gomez on Jane Velez Mitchell

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlaYDP7SyxY

    • Oh JVM didn’t like her talking bad about TA! But yeah your right, they didn’t have to put her up. I also heard that juror say it hurt Jodi to take the stand.

  198. I HATE HLN! I knew I shouldn’t be watching, I dont watch it much, I just wanted to see shat bullshit they where talking about this morning. They’ve already sent Jean C. to FL to cover the Zimmerman case! That’s another trial, it hasn’t even started a new started already a mess!

    I know this isn’t the place for it but does anyone know if THIS jury is sequestered and is George in jail or is he out on bond?

  199. Willie, I believe that they had to put Jodi on the stand in order for the two experts to testify on certain things, other wise it would have been hearsay. I might be wrong, but I believe that is the case.

    • tim,

      The State has a huge problem – The lead detective Flores and medical examiner Horn committed perjury.

      I believe when this happens the whole murder case will be thrown out by the 9th circuit appeals court

      And Flores & Horn will be charged with perjury by the AZ Attorney General.

      You should read KN appeal – it explains the perjury.

      http://gilli-land.blogspot.com/2013/02/developments-in-jodi-arias-death.html

      “Attorneys for Jodi Arias are filing for a stay of the Death Penalty portion of her trial with the AZ State Supreme Court, alleging Mesa Police Det. Esteban Flores perjured himself to support the aggravating factor of cruelty.”

  200. The decision has not yet been made about the jury being sequestered. But I am already seeing the jackals coming out of the woodwork. HLN is on it ! Another tabloid trial.

    The defense attorney on that case says he is concerned the jury will be afraid to acquit. Something is broken in the American judicial system.

    • yes, I cry for humanity. Reality TV and media manipulating public consensus leads to a controlled population. I shudder at the thought that guit or innocence could be decided by social media with a quick thumbs up or thumbs down.

      After pride cometh a great fall. I hope the people wake up soon!

      • “I shudder at the thought that guit or innocence could be decided by social media” – I agree with you Pat, it’s a very scary thought.

    • Thanks Judy, I blv the jury is already being harassed! The defense attorney spoke this morning and and said he WANTS the jury sequestered because of the MEDIA! Ok, thanks, and im sorry, I know this isn’t the site for this topic. Maybe SJ will start one up ; )) we can all keep in touch and we’ll continue on the fight for JODI.

      • This is a case that HLN better take serious. They have two sides here, 1. NRA and 2. The race side. If they come out in support of Martin then those wanting the right to bare arms will be upset. If they support the Zimmerman side then the race side will have issues. Go for it HLN!

  204. I would just like to try again to post my support for jodi and this site . I feel jodi is a beautiful ,smart, strong,kind,loving member of this planet who was put in a spot that there was no way out of and just because she had to defend herself some very very board people decided they had nothing better to do in there own life so they would stick there nose in hers and make up bullshit that they think fits because again they have nothing better to do and perhaps there own lives are just too dull and uneventful they all have to screw up a beautiful women’s world and try to bring a little light in there world by stealing her light….well let me tell you this world of haters and UNbelievers!!!!!! JODI S LIGHT WILL NEVER DULL AND NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO TO HER GOD WILL MAKE SURE HER KINDNESS AND LIGHT WILL SHINE ON!!!!!

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