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Jodi Arias Trial – Day 51 (afternoon session)

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The morning session included the rebuttal testimonies of Jacob Mefford, Amanda Webb (Walmart), Chelsea Young (Tesoro) & Deanna Reed.

Leave your comments below on the afternoon session of trial day 51…

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      • I got mine from rottenecards.com

        I’m making a new one right now and I’ll give you the link to my photobucket account where you can download this one and use it if you want. Or, you can give me an idea of what you want yours to say and I’ll make you one, too.

        • I love this particular one because many of my friends complain that since the trial started they either dont see me as much as they´d want or that even when we do hang out all I talk is the trial ,LOL!

      • maria rigadopoulou –

        [IMG]http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/Kelsiesmomma/ARIASTRIAL.jpeg[/IMG]

        This is the image code for the photo you were asking about. You should be able to copy and paste it through the Gravatar site when changing your current image. I made a couple more that I’ll be randomly using until the trial is over. Enjoy!

  4. Ok I asked this before didn’t KN have something about wally world a few weeks back? I’m wondering if he has someone coming in for that…I sure don’t understand why he didn’t question that witness….I hate to say it but it was big really big…unless she returned it to another store.

    • Good point!! Just because the store that she purchased it from doesn’t show a return doesn’t mean she didn’t return it to another store.

  5. Hey did they win the motion for the surrebuttal witness? I’m at work I can’t watch the trial much.

  6. I can’t keep up. I make so many wasted comments late at nite or on the outdated page. Argh!

  7. OhEmGee. Just turned the up the volume on HLN, and Beth Karas just spoke about the video of Jodi on Travis’ lap, bored, as Travis held court, telling his Pre-Paid Legal friends about a near-death experience he had. Ugh. IT WAS A DREAM.

    • He was so overly dramatic,desperate to have all eyes on HIM that if you dont pay close attention one might actually believe this has indeed happened to him for real!

      • maria rigadopoulou — And what about Travis “I looked at her with all the emotion I could muster in my retina* line about? That guy was so odd.

        *Loose translation; not gonna look for the original.

    • Dwayne Cates is a good guy on HLN. Totally fighting for the defense side. How can I post directly to him?

    • Basse, This was a dream the *king* was animatedly speaking about when he was *holding court* ?????? I didn’t know it was a dream!!!

      It’s even a bigger who cares! She probably was BORED after hearing it a zillion times!

      It’s time Karas gives it up about Jodi being bored in that stupid video. She was tired! It was late! It was a bunch of guys sitting around talking! She was tired and probably bored …. BIG FREAKING DEAL!

      • I’ve also HEARD Dr. Drew say that Travis was telling his friends about a real near-death experience he’d had, and Jodi doesn’t care! Sociopath! UGH. Yeah, I almost fell over when I learned that shit was A DREAM.

    • I didn’t realize that was Dan Freeman in the video. I am a bit disappointed to learn that he was part of that PPL fiasco.

  8. I wonder if Mrs. Schwarzenegger VOLUNTEERED to be the “employee” to “testify” today….watch her “likes” will skyrocket and at her next bodybuilding show she can tout herself as not only an “athlete living her dream” but having been a groupie for the self-proclaimed rock star of Arizona….(puking)

    • I thought that myself.That maybe she’s there for all the fame and attention she’s gonna get.Imagine how willing those haters are gonna be to support her or cheer in the next contest she’ll participate in.

    • They were being quiet,really quiet. The have a plan,I’m sure.It’s just I’m always uncomfortable with silence.

      • I’m not so sure this time around. This is always the danger of putting a defendant on the stand. Sometimes they end up shooting themselves in the foot over minor little crap, that doesn’t mean diddly in the real scheme of things, but blows their credibility wide open.

        Jodi may have just done that to herself, unless the defense has something up their sleeves.

      • They probably had nothing. So just let it go and make some lame argument at the end.

        I’m starting to get a little pissed now.

    • I think the defence wanted to show the jurors that the gas cans are irrelevant, which they are!

      • That was my thought too. Move along folks, nothing here except JM grandstanding about bullshit!

      • The gas cans may be irrelevant but Jodi’s credibility is the only thing that really matters, and if the defense can’t prop that up you might as well go home.

        Sometimes, I don’t know why this defense does what it does. This is just as lame as not calling a pathologist to rebut the ME. Just another lame excuse.

        • Al

          Have no fear. The gas cans are just beautiful…

          She never said she didn’t have three gas cans after leaving Mesa.

  11. Everybody is saying the gas cans are the key to her conviction! Well neither they nor anything else that the prosecution has presented is relevant. The gas cans were filled up IN UTAH! NOT CALIFORNIA! And, if I’m not mistaking, weren’t rental cars supposed to be returned with a full tank of gas? What’s not to say that JODI intended on using the gas that she’d purchased in Utah to fill the gas tank up prior to returning the rental car once she arrived in California? Since gas was far more expensive there than in Utah. Also, TA’s ex was only with him physically for a short period of time during which she THOUGHT that he WAS a virgin( which he was NOT!). Also, isn’t there more than one Wal-Mart in California -as well as throughout the entire USA?

    • True we all know that, The problem is that she allegedly lied to the jury though. Juries dont like that. They need to recall jodi and ask her where she returned the gas cans. Unless she said it was to the same store she bought it.

    • Duke,

      The big deal is she said she didn’t have 3 gas cans. If the prosecution can prove she had 3 gas cans they are going to say she lied on the stand, even after she swore she was telling the truth.

      This has nothing to do with pre-meditation or any of that other stuff.

      Has to do with whether or not Jodi is credible.

      • I have never been able to make sense of the prosecution’s theory about the gas cans, that she wanted to disguise her travels in and out of Arizona. Then, why oh why would she make cell phone calls as she was traveling north out of Arizona toward Hoover Dam, thus leaving a trail?

        And if that’s all they can come up with as a lie, then too bad because, if I were a juror I would be asking myself (and the other jurors during deliberation), what would be the purpose of lying about whether she had two or three gas cans?

        • I agree. And how are they going to PROVE that she had three? Do they have it on video?

      • Didn’t someone say there are 2 Walmarts in that area? I wouldn’t put it past JM to get the wrong one intentionally. I don’t trust him any furhjer than I could throw him.

    • Anybody who thinks those gas cans mean squat is a fool and doesn’t know about remote roads in the West.

    • I agree I don’t see how the gas cans are the key to anything.

      There’s still no proof of premeditation, and trying to spin the gas cans or receipts or receipts of kerosene cans to mean something isn’t proof. It’s still just spin.

  12. Jose Baez did something in CA’s trial that, I believe, allowed the jury to see right through the prosecutions’ witness. They put Casey on trial for her behavior after he daughter’s death, just like what is happening to Jodi. Baez asked a witness flat out if he saw Casey murder her daughter or if she talked about killing her daughter.

    I think Nurmi or Wilmott should ask Deanna if she ever saw Jodi with a gun or a knife. That will show she has no clue what happened that day and is a useless witness.

    • They could ask that then Juan could use that same question back at any defense surrebuttal witness…it works both ways so I think neither one wants to go in that direction.

    • Baez also put Casey’s family & some friends on the witness stand that testified what a good mother she was! I love that guy!!

      • Oh, you know what’s funnier? Those “friends” of Casey’s were PROSECUTION witnesses! Ashton was hoping that they’d paint Casey as neglectful of Caylee but Baez got them to say what a good mother she was!

    • wth,was that?making Jodi look like an object,unimportant accessory on TA lap??!!

      • Yep, just like he said to someone else earlier on “We’re not talking about a person here, we’re talking about the defendant.”

      • exactly. I hope the jurors see through him, they’ve come to see her as a real person, not an object.

  14. Didn’t they cut out the sound from the video and cropped it not to show all the cackling young women and men enthralled by the motivator?

    • Actually it was a good thing they cut off the sound,imo.Because who knows?There might be a stupid juror who would ponder on the ‘irony’ of his narration.

    • Well I think it’s more procedures have changed.
      Isn’t it a bit odd all those tills having no refunds?
      Or maybe it’s something else, I wouldn’t worry about it.

      • I never heard of 95 cash registers at walmart before?
        Also returns are usually NOT allowed at regular checkout registers, only at the returns desk.

  16. What type of car did JODI rent ? Was it a sub-compact, a compact, a mid-size ,a full-size or one of the various sizes of SUV’s? The defense should pose this question especially since it was never established that she ever used the gas from the cans. This would render the gas can mote as they then could-by the jury- be taken into consideration as a young lady travelling alone through the desert-on unfamiliar roads- as being cautious and conscientious in the fact that what she was doing is risky for anyone to endeavor.

    • And also, I remember there was the question about Jodi overfilling or underfilling the gas cans.

      Buying X amount of gas does not necessarily prove X amount of gas cans.

      I find it strange that they can bring out video of Jodi laying in Travis’ lap, but not bring video of her filling three gas cans.

  17. Does anyone know if Jodi’s Aunt has hearing issues and that is why she uses the ear phones?

  18. Ok a couple of things. I think Deanna telling the truth. Look you can’t say she is lying because what she says doesn’t fit your version of things. That’s what the haters do. Don’t lower your self . Second all things she is saying is true because he didn’t passionately care for her. Here’s’ the deal throw travis at least one bone here : No one wants to be alone. So this is why he strung lisa and Deanna on. He never felt for anyone the way he felt for Jodi. He CRAZY loved her. Even if he never said it out loud doesn’t mean its not true. I mean come on anyone in a relationship (long term or married) knows how passionate everything you do can be. And that goes for everything from sex to fights.No one else can piss you off more then our other half. NO ONE! And no one else could get a reaction like jodi could . That says something . He couldn’t stand how much he craved her in his life so he punished her for it. He hated needing her in his life and needing her with him. If you look Jodi only started looking in to things when she thought he was cheating. Travis flipped out at just the mention of her talking to someone. He never had any of these type feelings for lisa or deanna that’s why he was always telling them that he wasn’t ready for marriage , but with jodi he was always throwing it in her face like a little kid who wants you to ask them about something. He wanted to marry her but he hated what they had already done together. That’s why I think HE was pissed that jodi wasn’t upset enough that he was taking MIMI HAll and not her. He wanted her to need him as much as he needed her. She let him be his self without judgement even after she caught him ….you know , with the pics and they did all his fantasies and was everything a girlfriend should be in public and when he saw he had finally pushed to far and she started to move on and proved it by not caring about Mimi going on the cancun trip and by planning a trip of her own. I think Jodi is telling the truth about travis flipping out , but i think it was because he was furious about Ryan. Did he EVER get pissed if the other 2 talked to some one? NO. Did he ever try to get back with either of them after He and Jodi broke up? NO HE ALWAYS WENT TO JODI!! so Deanna is being honest . just look at the evidence and just your own experience in life and relationships. your thoughts?

      • Contrary to the Hugheses claim on 48 Hours that Travis “wasn’t into her like Jodi was into him,” it was the OTHER WAY AROUND.

        HE was the one who was crazy obsessed with Jodi, not Jodi with HIM.

        • So he tried to shut them off. And they bubbled up. I think he had a very unhealthy relationship with his own emotions, among other “unhealthy” patterns “highlighted” by others.

      • Jodi knew Travis loved her. That’s why she is always in tears anytime she sees pictures of them together. She didn’t want to kill him. .

    • Krista Walters
      Travis just used Jodie and probably this girl too, But I don’t think he Loved Jodie he seemed to have a desire to hurt woman, I think Jodie he used for Sex and she felt like a Prostitute,:To me it didn’t seem like Girlfriend or Boyfriend he didn’t buy her any presents was completely using her for Sex, I do not see any depth to their relationship. I think if you look at his My Space he had obviously other relationships.

      • I agree with that. Travis loved Travis an wanted everyone to see the False Front
        for his Church his co~workers. The other side Jodi got too see which not nice.

        Big deal he bought her a cinnamon roll an put a recipe by it. He gave her some angel.
        There are no nice gifts that truly when a man is in love buys a woman.

        I expect he was the one that was lavished with the gifts for he was a God to women
        he met. That is how he comes across to me. If he was such a catch then why did
        Mimi an Lisa (an who else) finally let him go? he was not a catch that’s why.

    • Krista,I can assure you that there can be a guy who does all these things you mentioned TA did and still NOT love you or be IN love with you.And I speak from personal experience.They can flip even f you talk to sm else,your fights or personal moments can be as passionate and crazy as you can imagine,they can swear they trully wholeheartedly need you and you’re top of the top in their list of dearest people on Earth and while doing all of that NOT loving you but just FEEDING their own insecurities,fears of loneliness and rejection,basically energy vampires whose own needs come first-their other half is just not as important.No,not for one minute do I believe TA loved her,at least not as MUCH and as DEEP as Jodi did/does.

      • I can vouch for that too, maria. They Tell you they love you.. well the person I knew went OTT and said he was ”in love” with me and his destructive critism of me was, ”for my own good, to make my life better, as he ”wanted to help me.” I would change the word, ”help” for ”control.” Such men love only themselves, demean you, making you feel worthless to make you dependent on them. When I ‘woke up’ and said I wouldn’t put up with it any more, he told me he was ”never my friend” that ”I didn’t understand our relationship and that he would always be in love with me..

    • I completely agree I just think this particular relationship went way deeper then anyone realized.He finally found someone who would act out his desires and found out his proclivities and still loved him anyway ( Jodi admits loving him and her actions of still being in his life and still intimate with him shows she loved him uncoditionally because most people would have left where she was trying to find him help ie the pamphlets from the mall ect.) I think he loved her because by doing what she did dhe showed him she would be there for him even after knowing these horrible secrets about him. From the picture incident to the physical altercation to the very kinky sex. She was always there no matter how he acted or how he treated her. Then when she was finally getting fed up and started to push him away by starting talking with other men and moving forward with her life he freaked out because she had always been there before, she never would leave him before. Now she was actively trying to move on with her life when he was getting mad she was talking with men much less trying to go on dates. He always made her feel guilty if she couldn’t or wouldn’t come see him. See there is a trust, an intimacy that is shared between two people when they feel relaxed enough to show their true side. They had achieved that. I say he crazy loved her meaning the love he felt for her made him crazy. He would punish her and make her feel like she had to better her self so he can love her . He would punish her for being ok with his “Problems” as long as he got help. He punished her for making him feel the way he did when she was around. But at the same time he Needed her to do and be these things . He needed her to act the way she did He had felt abandoned by so many females in his life that he needed Jodi to pamper his ego and care about every little thing.That is what made him love her. But he hated her for making him love her and need her in his life because he felt every other woman he had felt that way about left him or hurt him. . He was a Sadist. He receives pleasure from inflicting humiliation and pain on another. He says in his own words that he wants to tie her up and gag her while he.. u know.. while he had his camera taking pictures of it. You heard all the things Jodi had to do for him so sh e wouldn’t feel like she made him mad. He found his perfect submissive. He found the perfect victim to blame all of his hate and rage at. That being said The love he felt for jodi is kind of love a Satanist has for their submissive. The submissive is like an item a thing they can’t live with out. Something that they have that they can do things with that they cant do with anyone else, or anything else. Remember he wanted her dressed up and how he loved how she would sound like different people (`12 year olds ect.) . He Loved the idea of Jodi . He loved what she represented. He loved the fact he could have and do what ever he wanted and it didn’t matter. He loved her as a thing. His thing and when she wasn’t pissed about Mimi and actually had a trip planned around the same time with Ryan. It infuriated Travis because she was his not anyone elses . Thats why wanted her to come see him so bad before going to utah . He wanted to fight about it because she was actually having the nerve to leave him too. His sick version of love is what made him attack Jodi in the bathroom. he was so pissed she was leaving him after everything they had been through and done together that he freaked out when she dropped the camera and started beating her senseless. hence leading to the rest. Thats where the prosecution has it wrong i think HE premeditated hurting her not the other way around. Sick love is just as strong as normal love . And Jaun , travis’ friends and all the haters have to realize that. Jodi is the victim here just like travis. She didn’t ask to be apart of some sick game. she just tried to love someone unconditionally . it back fired and now here she is in the middle of a case where no one can see that she was A.) the first victim in this whole thing and B.) the state is trying to kill her FOR TRYING TO SAVE HER OWN LIFE! Everyone who doesnt believe this kind of relationship happens all the time hasn’t ever been to the LIFETIME MOVIE NETWORK which is about stories EXACTLY LIKE THIS ONE . That’s all im saying .

    • “Look you can’t say she is lying because what she says doesn’t fit your version of things.”

      Nobody ever said that. The point was made that she may not be fully forthcoming because of the intimidation factor from HLN, the Mormon community, or the fact that she is still friends with the Travis Taliban.

      It has nothing to do with “our” version of things. And FYI – I believe who I want to believe, who I find is credible, not just because someone on the Internet says I should.

      • All of the girlfriends we have seen are so different from jodi. They seem niave and submissive. I wonder if travis triggers were a woman who didn’t trust or fall over everything he said.

        • Right, and because of this I am starting to suspect BPD in Travis (amongst other things that have already been talked about).

          He views women as all good or all bad. Jodi was one of the “bad’ ones when she broke up with him and didn’t want to pretend that they could be married or exclusive and have any trust at all. Travis couldn’t let go, but continued to badmouth her behind her back.

          “I hate you, don’t leave me” perfectly fits his description.

      • And by the way, I hope you don’t take my comment personally.

        I believe people should own their own minds, it’s up to each person to decide for themselves what to believe and what not to believe. That includes who to believe.

        • No I was responding to anyone who thinks she lying in general, not to any one in particular. I don’t want to offened anyone. I just think she is telling the truth and why i think that . That’s all. I love you guys. No offence taken. and i Hope i didn’t offend anyone.

  19. Juan Martinez is close to being done with his case and after all of this I still don’t know what happened on June 4, 2008 without a a doubt. I can’t watch the case but JM is trying but failing to show facts about June 4, 2008! He’s still not demonstrated she premeditated this even with the freakin gas can! His expert actually IMO just proved jodi could’ve done this in a crime of passion! Not 1st degree. It’s very flimsy case.

    • ”Juan Martinez is close to being done with his case and after all of this I still don’t know what happened on June 4, 2008 without a a doubt.”

      FLNANG YES!!!!!!
      I want somehow your words to actually be the thoughts of one or more jurors during verdict day!!

    • I haven’t watched because I can’t stand him, but I can’t believe that he flew through four rebuttal witnesses in one morning. What happened to him taking the time to tie up everything with a big red bow during rebuttal and having his Perry Mason moment?

  20. I can understand the answer of human error to be no records of the can refund but together with the Tosoro records it seems she had 3 gas cans and this is what bothers me very much because Jodi have enough trouble with the “why should we believe you now” question, and now it seems like she lied again

    anyone can help me to overcome this?

    • eli……………………

      breathe, my friend. I have faith in the JW/KN. I was bothered as well with the lack of follow up on the two witnesses, but maybe they just didn’t want the jury to think it was important or relevant.

    • I don’t know, one idea that came to me is that she wanted cash & put another customers gas on her credit card & he/she gave her the cash. But if this were true she would just say so when she testified…

    • It also made me nervous that she wasn’t truthful or was inaccurate with her testimony but it can’t be undone at this point. Burden of proof is still on Martinez.

      • FLNANG, this is a case of brainwashing at its finest, its insidiously damaging and dangerous and designed to make anyone have doubts, even the slightest doubt.

        Never doubt Jodi 🙂

  21. Did not JM just objectify JODI the same way that TA did? Hope he jury realizes this and turns the little weasel’s case upside down on his dyed black hair!

  22. im having a war on twitter LOL these people are still insisting she dyed her hair on the trip to Mesa OMG really???

  25. I was so scared of that “woman” on the stand earlier this morning with all those bulging muscles….I was afraid to look directly at her, or it, whatever it was, I had to look sideways! Maybe JM is so desperate that he had to have he/she or whatever, intimidate the jury into voting his way. After seeing that thing on the stand earlier today I just think I may have some problems sleeping tonight!!

  27. later in the day, if anyone’s interested, here’s a 7 minute video from the great trial lawyer gerry spence who delivered a large dose of whoopass to the fbi for falsely linking american attorney brandon mayfield to the 2004 train bombings in madrid, spain

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAg8TRcL1LI

  29. I have never been able to make sense of the prosecution’s theory about the gas cans, that she wanted to disguise her travels in and out of Arizona. Then, why oh why would she make cell phone calls as she was traveling north out of Arizona toward Hoover Dam, thus leaving a trail?

    And if that’s all they can come up with as a lie during her testimony, then too bad because, if I were a juror I would be asking myself (and the other jurors during deliberation), what would be the purpose of lying about whether she had two or three gas cans?

    • RB,
      That was one of the states points in opening statements. There were no cell phone calls on Jodi’s phone at all while she was in AZ. She said on the stand, that her battery was low as she entered AZ so she turned her cell off. Then, when she got to the point that she was cleaning out her car, she found the charger under the passenger seat, and started charging her phone. She then used it to call Ryan, Matt, and TA’s cell phone, but by then she was out of AZ. The pros. is using this as part of their case, saying she had it off intentionally so she couldn’t be traced to the state.

      • But even though she was not in Arizona she was heading north on a road that had nothing to do with getting from California to Utah…

        • Exactly RB! There was a call made that would have completely ruined her so called Utah alibi, so clearly she wasn’t trying to establish Utah as an alibi at all.

  32. This has nothing to do with the trial, but just the experience of being a domestic violence victim and how it’s soooo poorly understood.

    I had to make an appointment for my 12 year old kitty to see the vet. My fiance suggested a vet his bosses have had good luck with. When I called to make the appointment, they asked about her previous medical issues. Then, the woman asked if I could get her records faxed from her old clinic in Florida (I currently live in Maryland). I hummed and hawed for a bit saying I didn’t think I could do that. She kept pressing me, so I came out with it. “I’m sorry, but I’m a domestic violence victim and my ex-husband tried to kill me. He still goes to that other clinic and I can’t take the risk that his staff might tell him where you’re at.” She said “I understand but this is a problem. Can’t you get the records faxed to us? That way, he won’t know where you’re at?” I explained “I’m sorry, no. I can’t run the risk of him knowing which vet I’m taking her to.” Her responses was “Oh I see.”

    Well, the appointment was today. When I got there, in front of several other people in the waiting room, she raised the issue again: “There are legal ramifications involved in us not having the records from your old clinic. I know you have “an ISSUE” about not wanting to get them, but the vet is going to need them and we need the name of that clinic in Florida so we can get them from them.” I was pretty upset. I said “I’m sorry, I can’t do that as I explained,” not wanting to get into my story in front of strangers. It’s embarrassing and I don’t want everyone looking at me as “the abused woman.” She said “Well, the vet is going to need them?” At this point, I was ready to walk out of there even though I had to take the day off to bring my kitty to the vet. I just didn’t care. I said “Again, I’m sorry, but I can’t do that. Are you saying the vet can’t see her without the records? Should I take her somewhere else?” She softened up a bit and said “Oh, no, I’ll let the vet know and see what he says.”

    This drives me crazy. I don’t understand why people just don’t get it. All I have left in the world is my location. The only reason I’m alive and not dead at his hands today, a little over 2 years later, is because I never give ANYONE my real address or phone number. I give out mailbox addresses. That’s all anyone gets. My ex knows, generally, where I live because my stupid lawyer gave that up in court, but not exactly where. He knows I work in DC — again, because my stupid lawyer gave that up in court — but not exactly where. There’s only ONE person who knows where I live and that’s my fiance. There’s only one person who knows where I go to counseling, when I get medical treatment and where, and where my cats go, and that’s my fiance.

    I’m in Maryland’s address confidentiality program so that I can have a legal substitute address. The IRS and the MVA accepts that as my legal address. I have battled the divorce court and now am battling the appellate court to keep my location safe — and the state of Maryland joined me in my appellate battle. And that was because the divorce court in Florida made my request for confidential address, showing my address, part of the public record anyone could get their hands on. How insane is that? If I wanted it to be public record, why would I submit a request for it to be confidential? Doesn’t that defeat the point entirely? The only reason I’m not dead is because I didn’t give them my real address on my request. I gave them a mailbox address. I have point blank refused to disclose my home and work address or the names or addresses of where I received medical, psychiatric and psychological treatment, even when the judge in divorce court ordered me to do so. I refused even when that judge struck my pleadings and barred me from participating in my own divorce from that point forward. I never even gave my own lawyer my home address or phone number. I can not risk a stupid girl who thinks he’s charming at a vet clinic in Florida saying I contacted them and they’re faxing records on my cats to a clinic, because it gives away too much, and leaves me wide open to him finding out when I have an appointment, and waiting for me outside.

    Why is this SOO difficult for anyone else to comprehend? Domestic violence is LIFE THREATENING. Read the news. Women die EVERY day of the week, even long after they’ve left these abusive bastards. I didn’t do anything wrong to become a victim of domestic violence. I just married the wrong guy and even today, everyone thinks he’s such a nice gentle guy. I love my cats dearly, but I’m not much good to them if I’m dead.

    This country really needs to WAKE UP and get a grip on domestic violence. It kills more women than cancer or heart disease or any act of terrorism. I don’t care how nice they seem to other people. No one knows what goes on behind closed doors except those of us who had to deal with them. I’m so sick of this. WAKE UP AMERICA!!

    • Also, I cannot understand why the old records are so important! Can’t the new vet start new? What if you just got this kitty and didn’t have old records?

      Your safety should never be compromised for you you to get medical care for your kitty. This makes me mad!

      • I guess the point is I want her waived from vaccination because of her IBD condition which has flared up before after being vaccinated, and also her age, as she’s a senior kitty and vaccinations are not safe at her age. Finally, the vet told me that although he has the right to tell me not to bring my kitty there any longer since she could put his staff at risk as she hasn’t had rabies vaccination in 5 years, he isn’t obligated to report me to the state. When I explained that her last 5 years rabies shot was less than about 4.5 years ago, he seemed to chill a bit because she’s actually STILL in date. But since I didn’t provide the records, I guess you could say he had reason to doubt me.

        I had a kitty who lived to 22 in FL (who I brought with me from IL) and he hadn’t been vaccinated since he was about 5. I brought him to vets in IL and FL. The laws were the same in both places as here, but no one gave me any crap about an indoor kitty not being vaccinated especially once he became very senior. Most vets wouldn’t EVER vaccinate an old kitty. In fact, the vaccines state on the label they should only be given to healthy animals, and it’s rare that a very senior cat is 100% healthy.

        I just figured out what to do. I’ll have the records sent to a friend in another state, if she’s willing, and have her send them to me.

        • I really just posted that to point out how little awareness and understand there is of domestic violence in this country.

          • I know. But I was concerned about your kitty too. 🙂

            If you want I can give you my fax number and will fax them to you … just a thought – to bury the info and not have it be anyone who *knows* you in real life.

            I go to a vet who does not do vaccinations for older kitty’s unless kitty needs boarding.

            • Wow that would be so great Rainy. I don’t have a fax they could be sent to though. That’s a lovely offer.

              • If you want, you could have them mailed to me and I could forward them off to you, in the mail?

                I can give SJ my address to pass along to you?

                Just a thought – might your former vet use email for records? I’ve taken my oldest kitty to the University small animal hospital and they are now sending me reports online! I really like this. If your former vet could scan them and email them to me, I could then forward them to you? … again, just a way to create our own *chinese wall* and keep you safe

                • I don’t believe they are that modern in FL yet, but I’ll ask. Grrr I dread even calling there since I know the ogre still goes there. I saw in in his discovery (bank statements). I’m sure he’s done a smear campaign on me there.

          • I’ve got it! A most wonderful vision too.:-) Have one dear a year where such lowlife scummy bastards can be hunted, yes HUNTED legally by the very women that they have abused!!! Nice fantasy eh ladies?lol

            • YES, perfect punishment. I’ve often said I’d like to put my ex in a cage in a room. I’d give him a nice big cage and a soft towel to lay on. But he wouldn’t be allowed to leave the cage for weeks on end. I’d poke him with a stick and have some big guys take him out and beat him.

      • No, MB, people NEVER realize it can happen to them. And I have to say that I didn’t know that either. I thought only stupid Hollywood bitches got into these situations, or women I then considered “losers” who lived in trailer parks and drank/did drugs all night. I thought any woman who puts up with a man hitting her is a foolish one. I never knew how it happened, the insidious nature of how it begins and escalates. I was just like all these other people I complain about today, and perhaps that’s what makes me so angry, to be honest.

    • Wow, I am so sorry. It should be easy to understand that you don’t want ANY of your contacts out there for the ex to find. It is too bad you have to live like that.

      • Thanks B. Berry. It’s a small price for me to stay safe really. But sometimes, it’s annoying.

        • AA.. (((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((HUGS)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

    • Wow people can be so stupid! My sister was married to a vet several years ago & I worked in his office for about a year. You do NOT have to have your pets previous records for a vet to treat your kitty-ridiculous!! Helpful yes but not necessay, especially to put your life in danger over! What if you had just found the cat on your doorsteps & was there for first visit. People are so insensative. I’m a survivor as well & sending you good thoughts & prayers for your situation.

    • AA I don’t think HIPPA or GLBA regulations apply to vet clinics, so I would make sure your kittys’ files have a BIG FAT NOTE in them about Confidentiality and Non-public Personal Information at the new vet’s office. Also if your cat is micro-chipped make sure that someone in your family is listed as the person to call instead of the ex if kitty gets out and starts wandering around.

      I’m thinking BLOCK LETTERS on a day-glo colored post-it laminated and stapled to the file. Take care, ^~^

      .

  34. Good evening ,
    I have a question. The Walmart receipts…don’t they have the date and time the gas can was purchased? That can tell if it was before or after the killing ????

    • JM is really up a tree if he expects the jury to find proof of premeditation because what Jodi did on the drive to Mesa (piling up on fuel) is consistent with what she did on the way home from Utah to California (loaded up on fuel).

  37. This girl was nothing more than a friend to TA…. although I’m sure she wanted to believe it was more than that.

  38. I actually feel sorry for Deanna. She doesn’t seem like she has a clue what Travis was really like.

      • I can’t say anything negative about his various girlfriends. They were taken in just like Jodi was.

        It was a pattern with Travis.

    • I think shes like a lot of other people in this case, she does not see that Travis was capable of treating people horribly because she was connected to the church

    • Playing Devil’s Advocate here. Deanna seems honest, and pleasant, and prissy enough to have NOT liked Nurmi’s questions as all, nor admitting that she had sex with Travis. Could Travis have been nicer to her because her boundaries were solid? That she didn’t allow anal, oral, etc. Travis probably wasn’t going to like that long-term as most men like some variety.

      • Meaning maybe TA was nicer to Deanna because she was a “good girl” while Jodi is more adventuresome. Since JA is adventuresome, he sees her as more of a “bad girl” and hence treats her as such.

  40. I know this is going to sound nasty, but facts are facts. Boy TA sure stepped up in the looks and personality grades with Jodi.

    • She might have been good looking when she was thin. Not as good looking as Jodi, but she looks a little bit like Mimi.

    • Deanna looks like she was absolutely stunning back when she dated Travis. Personally, I still think she’s very very attractive, she’s just a bit overweight — so am I and my weight fluctuates because of my thyroid issue. Look at her beautiful hair. Look at those rich brown eyes. She may well also have a thyroid issue, that often causes extra weight in the neck. I have struggled with that myself.

      Look beyond the weight. She is still a gorgeous woman. I’m tired of this whole attitude that people need to be skinny to be beautiful. Beauty comes in all shapes and sizes. Can you imagine how embarrassing it is to to be on national TV and know that you need to lose some weight? I feel for her. And honestly, I think she seems very nice and very wholesome. I actually like her a lot from what I’ve seen.

      • Travis was no body builder either he had some biceps that was it. I have those
        myself. The rest is not in shape. An actually his triceps were not toned as in
        sculpted. That is why I had to laugh when Jodi said he was working on a 6
        pack ? I did not see a sign of one in the naked photos but I guess she thought
        he was in shape.

          • I think TA was a bit overweight — not a lot, but a little thick all over.

            I think Deanna seems like a nice, sweet, innocent person, which I think is attractive in a sense.

            I hate when I see the TA folks trash witnesses before they get on the stand, but I also hate someone trashed just because she is a prosecution witness. Yeah, Jodi Arias is much prettier than I am too, but my looks shouldn’t have anything to do with it.

            • Agreed.

              I don’t think it’s cool to weight-shame someone who really didn’t have a choice to be a witness. But I still like making fun of Kermit’s voice :).

            • Somewhere below in this thread, someone posted a link to a photo of Deanna and Travis together when they were dating. Deanna looked so much better then, it’s not hard to believe that Travis did have feelings for her. Gah. That sounds shitty. Sorry. More caffeine …

      • I get what you are saying, AA. But I still feel she is unattractive. Can you imagine what the haters would be saying if she was testifying for the defense?

        I have ZERO problem with over weight people. I have many, many friends who are obese.

      • I really don’t care for people judging others on the basis of looks…I also have a thyroid condition that was wrecked havoc on my body but no insurance to treat it.

        I’ve never been into judging people on appearance; it’s too shallow.

        • I am glad to see your comment. Much prefer comments from those who don’t seem shallow 🙂

      • I think she was honest and I think she is pretty, its silly Jodie doesn’t look the same either.

        • Jodi is beautiful. She has no make up on like Deanna . Or hairdresser . As soon as she is free she will look better. Also a smile would help her looks. She isn’t very happy presently. That will change. Sweet Dreams Jodi.

  41. Someone mentioned here recently the LDS church just recently allowed the use of email when they are on the mission.

  43. All right guys, I am leaving this in your capable hands. We have to take the kids to a college fair.

    Make sure you guys keep the defense on their toes, unlike what I suspect happened this AM.

    May the force be with you.

    • Come on Nurmi, get to the good stuff. Like how Travis strung her along for years and used up all of your good years like the Hughes’ said.

    • Yes, but I he must not have ever asked her because she ended it with him because he wasn’t ready to marry.

      I don’t get buying a ring if you’re not ready. Maybe he felt pressured?

      • Maybe he never bought a ring and that’s why he didn’t have it and lied and said Jodi stole it!!! He loved to tell stories to his friends.

  47. ”We were in love with each other”
    Oh,Deanna…I wouldnt be that sure,if I were you.

    • Oh no, not the water thing again!!! I think baby doc caused a water shortage here.

    • I was under the impression the entire time she was on the stand that they didn’t have sex and TA told everyone he was a virgin – wth?

    • I thought that was odd, too. I would assume she was a virgin beforehand, so you would think she should remember!

  59. Wow, she doesn’t remember when the sexual relationship began? She was very young and chaste and this didn’t leave an impression?

  60. And now that she’s admitted to having sex she’s getting testy and defensive!

      • No guys, she’s embarrassed. She’s a good Mormon girl and she just admitted to the world that she broke the law of chastity. Think about it.

        • I am 51 an I remember the first time when an where. Come on people.

          An I would never ever tell anyone that is my secret. These women that
          say oh I spent weeks in Travis house or bedroom but we are the Virgin
          Mary of today are full of crap ! well maybe of the vagina I guess. But
          soaking counts too an any oral or anal.

    • It’s pretty embarrassing to get up there on the stand, not to mention being watched by MILLIONS of people all over the world, being asked about your sex life.

      She apparently loved the guy, but Travis treated her poorly.

  62. This is sooooo awkward, both for Deanna and for Nurmi. I really despise JM for putting this girl on.

  63. In 18 months of being under the tyrannical control of the Mormon church, she never considered that LDS is a CULT?

  66. PROVES TA was a liar! She knew he was NO VIRGIN even when he would say he was!

    Nah Nah Nah haters!!!

    • Kermit is going to regret putting Deanna on the stand. St. Travis the Virgin who was corrupted by Evil Jodi is just a myth! What a surprise.

  70. IN YOUR FACE HATERS!!!
    Jodi was NOT the first one travis had sex with!!!
    She was NOT the evil temptress!!

    Oh,I’m so enjoying this right now!!!! 😀

  71. Travis was dipping that wick in multiple vats of wax when he shouldn’t have been doing it at all according to his religion.
    What a scum bag hypocrite.

      • Any man with at Pecker that Red I would be very afraid of. Recheck
        the nude photo’s. I had some Travis supporters tell me they never
        had sex that day. But I OBJECT the photo’s show very RED an
        Swollen parts on both of them. I guess no one looked at them very
        well.

  72. Why did JM put this girl on the stand she didnt help his case out in anyway and now she is forced to talk about private things. JM is a bunghole for that. I feel bad for the girl, she also slept with TA and he wouldnt make a commitment with her either. What a POS that TA was.

    • Yes. How sick JM is. Now she has publicly told the entire LDS world she’s not a virgin. Who’s going to ever want her now? She’s over 30 and not a virgin. I feel very sad for what she’s being put though.

      Sadly, I wouldn’t be surprised if, down the road, she follows in Ashley Reed’s footsteps.

      • She had to have known what she was getting into. When I had to testify – I was given a lot of warning about how the ‘other side’ (in this case prosecution) was going to treat me and what kind of questions they would ask.

      • That’s the biggest problem that I have with religions that demand chastity pre-marriage. Deanna is still a good person. Most adults in their 30s have had sex. She shouldn’t be made to feel by her church that she’s “damaged goods.”

        • It is hard for me to believe there are not any single men still out there available
          for a woman when they reach 30? I read somewhere the pickings are slim though
          after they get out of that one ward an move up to the next 31 an older ward? I don’t
          get it I guess they all can be married off? I don’t like this Religion crap where you have
          to be with the same Religion or you can’t date? Other Religions are not that strict about
          that..

    • Nurmi is so great. His manner is so appealing, especially in direct opposition to that pos goblin, Martinez. There’s got to be ONE person on that jury who hates Juan as much as I do.

    • Frankly,I seriously doubt he did.Unless there are records of him doing that,TA’s word is just NOT good enough!

    • I was wondering…IF he lost his temple recommendation like she did… How did he get it back? How was he allowed to be an elder. I would have to research more but I was curious how that all plays into what the truth is.

      • I read somewhere from some link posted here a while back that if they do the penance required by the bishop, and stop engaging in whatever the offense was, they ultimately get back their temple status. I don’t think they could then become a bishop though. I could be wrong on that though.

        I’m not sure exactly what a temple recommendation is. Are any of our wonderful Mormon members out there to help us understand?

  75. Here comes the email. God love Numri though.Youre right MB this man IS a gentle giant

    • He is a Gentle Giant I know some find his tone boring but I love a man
      that can talk so nicely without being just downright disgusting like JM
      does.

  76. INTENSE. I did not expect her to say yes to that question. Everyone had me believing that Travis was pure as snow until Jodi corrupted him.

  77. Hey guys, just russssssshed home from running errands all day.
    Finally made a Turkey Burger and sitting down..

    1. Has it been a good day for the defense?
    2. Who is this chick that Nurmi is questioning?
    Is she someone JM put up?

    Thanks if someone can catch me up to speed real quick~

    • Finish eating before looking at video of earlier witnesses. You. Are. Welcome.

      • lol, okay finished eating but now you got me afraid of looking
        at video of earlier witnesses…
        Am I going to see Charlize Theron in MONSTER?

        • I don’t wanna ruin the surprise. You just sit back and enjoy. Enjoy your nightmares tonight, I mean.

        • I LOVE Charlize Theron in Monster! Its soo cool when she kills that bastard who raped her.:-))))

    • I think Jodi is hyper sensitive she sugar coated a lot of things about Travis I think
      when she was on the stand. I know she loved him an still loves him. But man after
      5 years almost she has to see he was a user an abuser but I don’t think she sees
      that.

      I want to shake her my daughter is the same way it drives me insane. I guess they
      won’t see it till the day the man actually goes to far. An then Jodi still believes in
      that LDS stuff I guess too they say she has them visit her in jail wonder if that is
      why she is like she is.

      • I have met MANY abused women who are like Jodi is about Travis. One asked me one time if I had stopped loving my ex before he tried to kill me. I answered yes, I had. I despised him by then. Apparently, that makes a difference.

        • And you should despise him until you take your last breath AA! I hate ALL men who physically, verbally, and mentally abuse women!

  81. Oh wow. Nurmi must’ve read my post at lunch time. I asked these questions when The Puppet Master was doing his direct on Deanna. 🙂

    • YES!!!!
      And hey,he even made Steven cry.Boy,he’s good!! I’m also in tears.Those poor children surely had a crappy childhood,and thats putting it mildly 🙁

    • He is, and it’s sooooo difficult for him, but instead of being a horse’s ass like JM, he’s being as respectful as possible.

      • Listen to Nurmi weave the difference between the way Travis treated Deanna and other girls.

  85. I’ll bet Deanna is sorry she agreed to testimony for JM.

    Her whole life is being drug through the mud.

  87. Poor TA. Hurt people hurt people. The least thing severe drug addicts can do is to not have kids. I wish C.R.A.C.K. had gotten to them.

  89. Um Jodi is deff a trophy compared to deeana, no wonder he did everything he did to Jodi and not her!!

    • I think Deanna is the best human to take the stand in this circus.

      Carrie,

      I don’t think her looks got her out of abuse. I don’t think being less of a trophy protected her.

      I think her character made it impossible to abuse her.

      I think Jodi’s insecurity made Jodi an easy target. Jodi’s looks were secondary. Do I think Travis was an angel? No. Do I think Jodi could have made better choices? Yeah. I think she could have prevented involving herself in his death by making a different choice.

      Most of the prosecution witnesses made choices that Deanna didn’t and wouldn’t make for herself.

      Deanna made all the right choices.

      -Jon

      • Jon
        I agree, I think she is nice looking, I think she had character, which many in this trial don’t and she was straight forward and believable she certainly didn’t lie, and that was refreshing. I do think Jodie made very poor choices, but do not believe she premeditated murder.

  91. Big round of applause for Nurmi for his subtlety. He made his point and he made it well, but as respectfully as he could without demeaning Deanna.

  92. Awwww, I kind of felt sorry for her when she read the email between TA and the Hughes and after that she seemed a little upset and lost her train of thought. Prosecution didn’t prepare her for that – and what a p.o.s. for doing that.

      • I know, AA, right? I can’t believe he is doing this to this poor woman! She didn’t do anything (to my knowledge) to deserve this. As I said above, she knew what she was getting into – but the prosecution should have some decency and warn you about what is to come.

  93. I think it’s weird that Deanna knew about Lisa Andrews. Makes me wonder if she was the stalker who slashed the tires. I mean, she was the one who wanted to marry TA and he didn’t want to, yet he wanted to marry Lisa.

    Things that make you go..hmm….

    • Thank you! I thought that shortly after she got on the stand. But I didn’t think of her as doing the tire slashing – would seem to make sense.

    • Hmmm.

      I always thought it was weird that she gave Travis a computer without reloading it to factory settings.

      who knows what programs were on that, and what purpose they served.

      Deanna seems like a really nice, sane person. I don’t want to believe that she would be like that, but I don’t know her either.

      • Honestly, MB, I agree and don’t know what to think about this woman. But I would have like to seen some line of questioning by defense about the computer and why she didn’t change. IMO, if you put the computer with her ‘following’ him and staying in contact with him, know when he broke up with other women, etc. it seems to me there is more evidence proving she is a stalker than Jodi is. (Not saying she IS a stalker, I’m just saying as far as stalking goes, there is more evidence pointing at her than Jodi.)

  98. god went from heart wrenching to nails on chalkboard the
    sec JM got back on for redirect

    The man has grated on all my nerves
    I think my face is now paralyzed

    • LOL – I think JM just asked these sex questions (not having anything to do with re-direct) just because HE enjoys it; bit of a sadist, if you ask me.

    • I have to agree with you on that, Joe… sounds to me like Deanna was put on for the defense. And as for the gas station girl and walmart employee, not much point.

    • And Deanna doesn’t know whether Travis cheated on her or not … she did say that. She may well have been Travis’s beard. She was so virtuous.

    • Exactly, Anthony. It was disgraceful that she should have to be up there. Her testimony didn’t make the BLINDEST bit of difference. She is such a brave woman to sit there and admit to all of that. I wish I could hug her.

      • I feel bad for her. She seems like a genuinely nice person who might unfortunately & often, be taken advantage of easily… in this case by both TA and JM.

        The prosecution gained nothing by putting her through this.

      • Me too AA!! There was no earthly reason for this poor woman to be on the stand and have to relate her life story and all the personal details….it has NO bearing on this case. She told the truth, she was obviously very embarrassed, but she did it, and for what? So JM could tell the jury that TA had a prior girlfriend that he didn’t abuse and that he did have sex prior to Jodi? Zero sense, and I bet there are more than a handful of jurors who are none too pleased with him for putting her thru all that.

        • I soooo hope you’re right Anna and the jurors are unhappy with him for what he did to this lovely woman, a girl who wants to become a teacher and gives instruction. She seems confident enough to get through it, but still, I feel for her.

          And the damn haters are mad that the defense wants to “waste” time putting on a surrebuttal witness? This whole day has been a complete waste of time and a waste of a good woman having to tell personal details she should have been able to keep to herself. Bless that woman, Deanna. I wish her ALL the very best in her life.

  104. nurmi’s excellent
    very gentle, and calm with deanna
    carefully avoiding unnecessarily embarassing her, though establishing essential aspects of ta’s personality
    it’s her understanding of the nature of their relationship

    AND NOW COMES THE THICKO JM WITH HIS CLUMSY ABRASIVE QUESTIONS

    WHAT A LOSER HE IS

      • i know
        jm’s such an idiot, not one jot of social or emotional maturity, fluency, skill, or competence
        to use an old phrase, he has the social skills of “a bull in a china shop”

  105. Is he actually suggesting that Jodi DESERVED being trated like trash just because she MAY have sent a couple of naught messages??Or because she enjoyed sex?

    • Probably a little of both, Maria. It’s quite obvious JM thinks of Jodi as a classless whore.

  106. It showed the jury that Deanna wanted to go to the Bishop and, therefore, TA would have to also and that they lost their temple member status. TA didn’t want that to happen a second time as JA had testified and for far more serious issues.

    I can’t believe JM would have objected as to foundation as to what type of sex.

    I like KN a lot, but I got used to JW’s style which I missed during this cross.

    • nurmi fixed that up
      ALL ASPECTS FORBIDDEN

      ta obviously learned from that unpleasant experience, if he ever actually went to the bishop, NEVER, EVER, GO TO THE BISHOP ON HIS PRE-MARITAL SEXUAL BEHAVIOR

    • I think that was a good question. The juror who asked that wants to know if Travis was clearly knowledgeable about violating the law of chastity. Remember, Travis was Jodi’s elder. This is one of the better juror questions I’ve heard from the jury to be honest. That combined with the question today for the Walmart girl about dummy SKUs or ringing up a return without an SKU. This jury is thinking.

      • Being the devils advocate, maybe the juror wanted to know if it is so widely known then Jodi should have known it. She went to church and went to the same classes everyone else did.

        I hope that’s not the case tho

        • KD
          I think that since Jodie stated that Travis told her what was permissible, The Jury asked Jodie if there was instruction on the Law Of Chastity etc. She said they were very vague, which the jury might not have believed.

  108. I think what JM is implying, since TA wasn’t verbally abusive with these other woman, is that Jodi must have done something to deserve that kind of treatment.

    • WHAT could a woman possibly do to have DESERVED such a treatment? Martinez implying that is abominable!!!

    • Jodi was a mark. Abusers/pedophiles know what people/children they can push enough to let their boundaries be violated. I think this is one area where Jodi is childlike – she trusted him too much.

    • I hope the jury remembers Lisa’s testimony. Her email suggested (to me at least) that he was a bit abusive to her and she called him out on it right away. I hope they recognize she ‘got away’ from him before he escalated with her.

      • I’ve heard that bullshit too. What did I do to make my ex-husband soooo angry that he had to abuse me so badly? Um, love him — since I’m a fool!

  115. Dann NURMI YOU GO BOY
    and that’s how it’s done…
    ps has anyone seen my chastity belt?

  117. I like Deanna. I wonder what ‘What Not to Wear’ could do for her appearance.

    • I’m sorry, I thought Deanna looked lovely. There’s not a lot you can do with clothes when you’re overweight. I think she’s beautiful and incredibly brave. She didn’t testify to hurt Jodi. She was subpoenaed by JM. She could have taken the 5th regarding discussing her sex life. She admitted it, even though that will not win her points with the family.

      Please people, don’t bash this girl for her weight. Not everyone is skinny!

      • Agree – she did the best she could under the circumstances. Her options were not good regardless of what she said.

        Her relationship started with Travis when he was 22 years old which is very young. I would assume he was more mature by the time he was 26 also.

    • seek,

      By the time she was finished on the stand I came to like her also. She has beautiful hair.

      • I LOVE her hair. There’s not a lot you can do with long hair. Hers looked like it had a very pretty style to me and she had nice subtle highlights. Her hair is shiny, healthy, and full of body.

  118. Nurmi is sooo smooth………”everyone makes mistakes, did you make this mistake more than once?” hahaha

  121. Yah know, I have been doing a lot of soul searching… after reviewing the facts…these facts…

    1) Wal-Mart, who at the time was being sued by their employees for undertraining and underpaying them, sent an employee, that never worked in the mentioned store or in the return Dept, to testify that Jodi didn’t return a gas can 5 years ago. This clearly is proof that she is a devious murderess.

    2) There is a video of, gulp, Jodi laying her head in Travis’s lap, while he told a story. They were dating, they were on a couch together…I KNOW, right! Travis was most DEFFINENTLY NOT hiding Jodi from his friends, a year after this video was taken…while he was “porking her like a 12 year”. What more proof does 1 need than this video? She HAD TO MURDER HIM!

    3) It is not clear that Jodi DID ask for a white rental car, NOT A RED CAR. This clearly shows she is a murderer.

    4) February 1865 was the last month in History to not have a full moon. This not only proves that Jodi is a murderer, but that she started planning this when she was 11 years old.

    5) On May 28, 2008, there was a gun stolen at the Sr. Arias home. Also On 28 May We celebrated the 90th Anniversary of Armenia and Azerbaijan declaring independence from the Transcaucasian Democratic Federative Republic, thus forming the Democratic Republic of Armenia and the Azerbaijan Democratic Republic. It was the first sovereign republic in the history of both countries and Azerbaijan the first democratic parliamentary republic in the Muslim world. Clearly this, linked with the gun break in and the fact that Elton John played “rocket man” as his 9th song and “crocodile rock” as his 17th song at a concert in Anchorage that very same day, PROVES beyond all doubt that Jodi is a Murdering temptress. (I’m not making this shit up, look it up…SHE HAD TO KILL HIM, if these facts are true)

    6) Finally, my sister’s dog’s name starts with same letter as my neighbor’s cousin’s brother’s pet fish, that he won at a county fair…yah, people actually win those things…anyway, that letter is B, this is only 8 letters away from J…As in J-odi arias! How could we have ignored these facts for so long? She is GUILTY GUILTY GUILTY! We should just get a rope and save the tax payers the trouble.

    Yah, she did it. you can’t argue with all the proof they have against her now. Sorry peeps, I’m going to have to join the other team. I would miss you, but you are all clearly ignorant robots from a far off planet called reality.

    • Stop it,you’re killing me!!!
      HAHAAHAHAHAHA,excellent too funny post!!!! I want more!

    • Yeah, and next they’ll be accusing Jodi of masterminding the Boston Bombing from jail as well…..

      • Well, not to be “JM”ish but….

        As i stated in #5 abive, this was “Armenia and Azerbaijan declaring independence” day. You may not realize but the holiday was not celebrated during Soviet times, and it only achieved consistency after the collapse of the USSR. The Boston bombers (sounds like a baseball team..Oh shit..it was..yikers, sorry) were from Southern russia. Also known as….YOU GUEESSED IT….wait, what the fuck am i saying, i have no clue where chechnea is compaired to armenia or azerblahblah….

    • So funny! I dare you to call in to JVM or NG and give them these absolute facts! This is almost as good as that crazy psychic woman that is on Dr. Drew sometimes.

    • LOL Sirlips!!!
      Don’t forget this…..Jodi MUST be guilty…..her birthday is July 9th…the same birthday as…..OJ Simpson…..and also the same birthday as Amanda Knox!!! I actually heard this on HLN yesterday….cannot remember what moron brought it up, but found it hysterical. Especially since one of my favorite singer/musicians is also July 9th, Jack White…….people are wacky..:)

      • Oh that’s it, Anna. You just figured the whole damn thing out. Why isn’t JM calling you? What else does he need?

      • It’s Courtney Love’s birthday too, and all of the nuts who think that she killed her husband compare her to Jodi also!

      • i heard jack white has actually been pre meditating a murder for years now, of a future ex girlfriend he hasn`t even met yet. we should probably just lock him up now just to stay on the safe side.

      • Oh my gosh that was my grandmothers birthday too an she stabbed my grandpa with a fork
        once because he wanted another pork chop ! True Story ! they both had Alzheimer’s though so
        all was forgiven…….TRUE STORY!

    • Baahahahaaahaaa……. MY FREAKIN RIBS AND CHEEKS HURT!! And I think Peed
      a lil 🙂

    • OK, HERE IT IS…PROOF!

      Pick any number between 1-20. We will call it X.
      Add 7 to X
      Add 4
      subtract 2
      add 6
      add 6
      add 6 (yep..thats 6-6-6 YIKERS)
      subtract your original number..X.
      add 1

      WHat are you left with? YAH..28..MAY 28…. This bitch has to be the devil! I know, its crazy, but it is PROOF!

      • sirlips…

        a little numerology rule…LOL…

        you have to break it down one more time

        May 28 = 5+2+8 = 15 = 1+5 = 6 (yep…it’s still a 6 6 6)

    • SOMEONE NEEDS TO SEND THAT TO HLN!!! I WILL….someone get me page thing (can’t think of the name)

  122. No pics of women with breasts…..ARE WE SURPRISED? TRAVIS wasn’t interested in adults! DUH

  124. note the jury question which made reference to the mormon’s secret laws

    mormons have secret laws reserved exclusively for the upper level of the hierarchy

    lol
    jm asking about tons of womens breasts
    ladies according to jm they’re measured by weight including tons
    geez he’s just so stupid and clumsy

  126. They have a computer guy on. Was it ever fact that TA was surfing the internet using a proxy server? If so can’t KN question him at length about it?

  128. This is a joke. The police obviously wiped his computer of anything the State didn’t want, because it just doesn’t figure that TA wouldn’t have anything on there.

    They wouldn’t have been truthful, TA obviousy had stuff on there the State didn’t want, its stands to reason.

    Since When have the police been truthful. This witness is lying through his teeth.

    • Sadly I have to agree with this. It’s the same as they didn’t find any bullets. I just can’t believe all police are above building their case based on what they are looking for, ignoring what they are not looking for.

    • Since I know something about computer forensics I find it curious he said nothing about searching for deleted files.

      • By Baby Docs standards and years of experience I am more an expert in computer forensics than she is in psychology.

        • Good points Jeff all around.

          That seems incredibly ridiculous to *not* search for deleted files. Shouldn’t that be standard protocol in investigations?

          • If I am not mistaken, way back when, (seems like forever) when the computer forensic witness was on the stand, he testified that he examined TA’s computer, including deleted files, proxy servers, pornography searches, etc. Then he said that Jodi’s computer had a damaged hard drive. He examined that computer as well. I am assuming nothing of any importance was on either computer, since neither the pros nor the defense had any issues with the testimony. I heard there is a rebuttal witness for the pros. that may testify, and he is a Det. in forensic computers, so no idea what he will have to say, I think his name is Brown? not sure of his first name.

            • Maybe it is similar to the State’s position that Flores didn’t find anything relevant in text or email messages.

              I didn’t hear about any sur-rebuttal outside of the motion filed to impeach the psychologist.

              • A sur-rebuttal can only be used to rebutt issues that are new to the case. If it’s granted, they can only have a witness talk about that issue. Then, the pros gets to cross him/her.

      • If other computers were around, can you have Another IP address?
        Do deleted files hang around in the registry?
        Is there software that resurrects deleted files?
        flash drive

        • Deleted files are not really deleted. They just have their index pointer removed. The files remain intact until the hard drive chooses rather randomly to overwrite them.

          • Its all a fix by the police, one big cover up, after all, apart from the people who went to the house and found TA, who were the others–the police. They can do what they want to get a conviction–no one there to stop them. They cook it up with the prosecution..

  129. After all the unattractive women testifying today…….this guy don’t look too bad!!!

  130. Loni testified the laptop was used to watch porn at 4am on June 4 in the browser database.

          • Unfortunaly it ended up not being porn….it sounded like a porn thing (faster,stronger ….) but it ended up being band. Is that what you were referring to?

            • Right, it was not porn, it was a song by Daft Punk with a title like “Faster, Harder, Stronger”. There was another Daft Punk video watched as well.They didn’t find any porn though.

    • It is a thing that can hide your IP address so if someone wanted to check you out
      they could not find you is how I understand it.

    • The different types of web and application proxy servers (transparent, anonymous, and distorting proxies) and how to use them to hide your IP address.

  134. So let me get this straight…

    A guy that was so inept at computers that he was having trouble getting a CD to work on his computer, was able to have an internet connection in 2008 and didn’t have porn anywhere on his computer?

    In 2008 you could use a brand new computer for the first time, and after plugging the router in, 3 minutes later have 891 videos of woman/donkeys and a gerbil named Fred making sweat baby love with each other. THERE IS NO WAY this guy surfed the internet and didn’t have porn all over the place. NO WAY.

      • There you go ! right on that phrase I had to google it I did not know that either. But
        a Virgin Mormon/LDS Travis knew it very funny !

        • I don’t know anything that actually saves images of naked women to their computers. They look at porn, clear the history, and repeat.

          • They say though even though we clean out our files an clear cookies an history
            that all is on the hard drive an can be retrieved that is how so many people get
            caught in lies. So no a actual photo may not be there but the actual web page
            or link is that you were searching for or looking at.

            • Yes, Lonnie testified that he was using Windows XP on his computer and browsed the internet with Firefox. His tools decoded the browser binary database of the visited sites (not erased history) and showed that among the 8000 pages of analysis, that the computer had been accessing PORN videos at 4-5 am on June 4. Jennifer picked that day and morning, and there were quite a few videos referred BY NAME, obviously porn. The data probably showed tons of porn visits. He did not have to download anything, just watching it online to learn his porn jargon.

      • I really did learn what tossed salad was…on the internet!

        But only after hearing those words whispered from TA’s own sweet lips 🙂

    • I read somewhere on here that both attorneys were arguing because the defence could only get so far on the computer–it had been BLOCKED, but Some of the stuff they saw would have been in Jodi’s favour–but guess what? JM stopped them getting it.

      And I would bet the judge was selective in the jurors questions, too.

  136. On a completely unrelated noted, I was just looking up the jury instruction the defense filed a motion for:

    11.03A2 − Manslaughter by Sudden Quarrel or Heat of Passion

    The crime of manslaughter by sudden quarrel or heat of passion requires proof that:

    1. a. The defendant intentionally killed another person; or

    b. The defendant caused the death of another person by conduct which the defendant knew would cause death or serious physical injury; or

    c. Under circumstances which showed an extreme indifference to human life, the defendant caused the death of another person by consciously disregarding a grave risk of death. The risk must be such that disregarding it was a gross deviation from what a reasonable person in the defendant’s situation would have done; and

    2. The defendant acted upon a sudden quarrel or heat of passion; and

    3. The sudden quarrel or heat of passion resulted from adequate provocation by the
    person who was killed.

    “Adequate provocation” means conduct or circumstances sufficient to deprive a reasonable person of self-control. Words alone are not adequate provocation to justify reducing an intentional killing to manslaughter. [There must not have been a “cooling off” period between the provocation and the killing. A “cooling off” period is the time it would take a reasonable person to regain self-control under the circumstances.] [If you determine that the defendant is guilty of either second degree murder or
    manslaughter but you have a reasonable doubt as to which it was, you must find the defendant guilty of manslaughter.]

    USE NOTE: Use the bracketed language if this instruction is given as a lesser-included offense instruction If there is evidence to support an instruction on the “cooling-off” period, use the bracketed language.

    http://www.azbar.org/media/292098/2011_cumulative_supplement.pdf

    I don’t see any evidence of “cooling off”. The second bracket however, seems it would be used.

    • AA. First off, did the judge agree to include this lessor charge? I am hoping yes, however I have a concern and want your opinion. This definition of Manslaughter, while being a good thing to consider in the eyes of the law regarding a sentence, is so far removed from self defense and the actual incident the defense has testified to for months, it worries me a bit. What I mean specifically is this, it has nothing at all to do with a fight occurring in the bathroom and Jodi fearing for her life, running to get the gun, shooting, getting away, then stabbing, leaving, etc etc……its a total different scenario, a totally different story altogether. Could the jury look at this and think, “What? Is the defense just throwing things at us because they are desperate and want to see what sticks”?

      Like I said, the sentence for this crime is desirable, but the factors needed to consider it are not self defense, so I am curious how you feel the jury will look at this charge back in the deliberation room.

      • As per Al’s comment, lesser included charges are automatically put on the table via a Supreme court ruling. He doesn’t remember the reference, and neither do I.

        That has nothing to do with changing the direction of the case. It’s to give the jury more options.

        • Ok…I see. I thought that the defense filed a motion with the Judge to ask for the lessor included, which is why I thought she had to approve the charge of Manslaughter. I had no idea the lessors were automatically included. So, is it a done deal, meaning is Manslaughter in fact, a charge to be considered now? The reason I was asking about changing the direction of the case, so to speak, is only due to the fact presented by the defense. The jury knows Jodi has claimed self defense, they know her testimony, and so when they deliberate, and have the option of Manslaughter, do they see (in writing) the definition of that charge? Meaning, heat of passion during a fight, etc etc? And if the do know the meaning, don’t they totally have to disregard the theory of self defense in order to find Manslaugter? I am wondering now, if possibly the defense will change their closing argument a little to allow for this….thoughts?

    • AlsoAbused

      good find

      note, when reading the instructions, each of the three section is joined by the word “and”, a conjunction, meaning that ALL OR EACH sections must be met

      also note, within section 1, each of the subsections a, b, and c are joined by the disjunction “or” , which means that only one of those subsections need be met

      it looks like subsection c would be the most relevant here

      and note the term “reasonable person” used, which is an objective standard that is used

      not a subjective standard ie a person who holds their anger in for a long periood

      section 3 is important

      3. The sudden quarrel or heat of passion resulted from adequate provocation by the
      person who was killed.

      have to put all the elements, pieces together

      however sometimes even if a resonable person standard is used, upper level courts might modify that to include some or a lot of subjectivity
      ie how this one particular person acted
      but you’d need to look at the cases to see if there is any such material

      and that would be joined to sections 2 and 3

      re cooling off period, can’t get angry, then next week decide it’s time to retaliate because you’re still angry

      at the pdf link above there is additional information between pages74 and 76
      or 111 to 116 via the texts own numbering

      the pdf file has 308 pages

      it’s put out by the state bar of arizona, continuing legal education, 2011

      my computer is starting to choke on this file

  137. I love this. The woman was talking about the Tot Doc the other day…..

    My HB has PTSD from three tours to IRAQ. And He has never spoken about ANY EVENTS THAT HAPPENED. SHE’S A LIAR….

    Demonte caught in a lie….DEFENSE WIN TODAY….This girl is too young. No real experience. She is total TEXT BOOK!!!!

  138. This trial has gone on so long that even the State’s investigator can’t remember what he said. Imagine the jury trying to remember all this shit, science fiction hypotheticals, etc.

  139. nothing allegedly found on the computer

    maybe but KN brought up other types of DATA storage
    cds, thumb drives, etc
    maybe it’s all accessible in one of the cloud storage sites accessible only with TA’s secret password

    • This guy did not use the tools the other computer expert used, or only used in part for what he was told to look for.

    • Anything passing through RAM would get “forgotten” once the PC is shut down.

      I wonder if anyone checked to see what operating systems Travis had at his disposal. There are some that run entirely in RAM and never leave a trace on the hard drive, or on disk.

  140. Nurmi is so smooth. Can you imagine if Deanna had been a defense witness? I don’t think she would have survived with screaming Juan charging the stand. I’m not through her testimony yet but KN has already managed to show that she did not know the real Travis at all. He had his game face on when they met and, possibly due to their immaturity and that he wasn’t that sexually attracted to her, he kept it on. She seems like a nice lady and it’s good her life wasn’t ruined by him.

    • I think her life was ruined by him. She is not married, still devoted –at least in words — to him. Even if he did not abuse her like he abused Jodi (and I’m not that convinced that he was always ‘nice’ to Deanna), he used her and dumped her when it was convenient. Kept the relationship going after she came back for several years, even though he had written her he was dating someone else while she was a missionary and broke her heart. She moved to AZ to be with him. PATTERN.
      He USED her.

      • Oh I thought she was married w children. I guess I had her confused with one of the TA’s other girlfriends. Yes, he used her and discarded her it sounds like then. But then I guess that’s what eternal virgins do in their spare time.

      • Many are abused without even being aware. He was young and so was she.

        I would think she was very devoted to him and did what he wanted given her LDS upbringing.

        If Alyce spent hours with Deanna, going over details of their relationship I suspect Alyce would see some patterns TA was doing then that he carried into other relationship.

        • I see my past relationships as similar to Deanna’s & TA’s. I was not abused, but I was controlled & I let myself be taken off track by guys I was with, from my own goals & plans.

        • Alyce made one mistake your post reminded me off & I cringed at the time b/c the rats azz caught it when she said TA did not have any long term relationships when he had clearly been with Deanna for quite some time. On the other hand She said it was intermitent and when she testified to that I had no idea they were together for 2 straight years as Deanna said today. IDK!!

      • She is not going to say too much against him she is good friends with the
        siblings I read somewhere. Maybe why they were estranged being they
        liked Deanna an Travis was not committing to her in any way for many years.

    • I think she might have been his “beard”. My fiance was watching some of her testimony with me earlier and he commented on the fact that she was away for a long time of the years they dated. He could have been the disgusting little prick we know he was with plenty of other women. Meanwhile, keeping Deanna, a virtuous woman, around to cover. Having sex with her at her young age then, ensured that she would stick with him. I’m sure she thought having sex with him meant they would marry. Meanwhile, I bet he played around like crazy behind her back. She didn’t live with him. She worked a lot. She was always a little ways away.

      • What’s a ‘beard’, AA ?
        I can guess a bit from what you described… a comfort blanket when nothing else available? a steady front until someone else comes along?…

      • i was wondering,though…Is she married?If not,could it be that since she had sex prior to getting married,could this be a reason she may now be seen….as non-marriage material by the good mormon boys?

  141. Is Nurmi married? I think he and Deanna could be a great team, going around the country helping DV victims and abused children. She needs to leave that damn LDS; it’s all about old dudes marrying 18yo girls. And her outfit is something that would be nice on ALV, she is too young for this look. She has big breasts, at 35yo she should be showing them off. Ok, she is a teacher, but just a little, not a deep V. Also, she has beautiful hair, but I think a chin-length bob would compliment her face much better than long hair.

  142. This is moving along pretty well today. These are the witness’s that can make or break each sides case with crucial info you would never have expected to be crucial.
    The defense IMO is scoring big points today other than the gas can and gas receipts testimony. But I don’t think that was all that bad.

  143. The Prosecutor is fucking desperate.

    Why else would he parade Baby Doc and the 3-Ring circus girls into court, setting them up as defense witnesses? He has lost all reason.

    Yay! TEAM-JODI

  144. Ok, it looks like a have missed a lot. I am going to have to go back and watch. Dang responsibilities

  146. Okay if an asteroid were heading for earth and the only way to stop the complete destruction of the planet was for me to listen to Juan Martinez for five minutes, sorry folks, bend down and kiss your asses goodbye. I couldn’t do it. lol

  148. I don’t know about the rest of you, but I’m gonna run, not walk, to the nearest LDS church, and I’m joining up. IT SEEMS AWESOME.

    • Oooh I’ll come with you. They have such a pretty one here too. Their Christmas decorations are just awesome. Except, I don’t like going in there because they grab you and try to brainwash you and they don’t care much for my Buddhist philosophies. Oh well! It was a nice idea.

      • Interesting that CNN was just discussing how the Boston brothers could have been brainwashed little by little into radical fundamentalist Islam, how people pick their brainwash subjects and work on them, bring them into the cult, etc And never but once quickly mentioned that Jodi was recruited, brought into his group, converted, etc….

  151. It feels like this is moving too fast today,or is it just me?How many witnesses down so far?5? How manu left?

    • Well I know Jodi testified to the fact that when she arrived at TA’s home at 4am ish, the day he was killed, that she stood in the doorway of TA’s office and he was watching a silly youtube video of people with boxes on their heads…Nurmi is just corroborating Jodi’s testimony of that day I think.

  157. Hmmm..who was accessing the computer at the time Travis was killed? This is getting weirder.

  159. Jinkasaurus was WATCHING the jury, and ONE WOMEN, IN PARTICULAR, was GREATLY OFFENDED, by Kurt Nurmi’s uncouth questioning! SHE SAW HER. THE SENSIBLE JURORS HATES KURT NURMI.

    Whatever, Jink.

        • If Jinkasaurus is clairvoyant, why hasn’t she done anything about getting a freaking stylist already? I’ve been sending her mind-messages about her shitty hair and clothes for years.

        • LOL MB-Team Jodi..The cats meow alright…lol. JM’s personality alone is nauseating to any healthy mind, can you imagine what kind of woman it would be to actually finds him sexy- yikes- i just had a that flash thought of JM trying to act sexy for the ladies…yikes. dont go there, not a pretty thought 😉

    • Gentle giant made her feel offended?
      Then what begs the question is:how did she feel about TA’S BEHAVIOUR/WORDS??

    • That comment is from the same woman (jinkawhoever) who, as he was abusing a witness, thought JM was ‘commanding and took control!” (she said as she drooled.) The other attorneys at that time were all saying he was abusive and she was the only one to see him in an admirable light. I wouldn’t put too much weight in her ‘opinions.’

    • Then I would think they were the MORMON’S on the JURY then for sure due to the family of Travis
      was so upset too. The truth about Travis an his on going SEX LIFE is ridiculous when all we heard
      in the very beginning was he is a VIRGIN bla bla bla. An Jodi seduced him ? REALLY ! LIES ALL LIES
      to paint a picture of a Saint that is far from being a VIRGIN at 30 ! like they all stated before the dirty
      sex secrets came out in front of the world. Too bad ! Maybe JM believed that crap too an now is fit
      to be tied to find out he had sex before JODI ! ha !

  160. PLEASE SOMEONE HELP ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    MY BRAIN IS FUDDLED.

    WHAT HAPPENED THERE? HOW COULD IT BE EITHER TRAVIS OR THE POLICE?? what???? He wasnt found for 5 days………..

    I thought those videos were watched in the morning, and now they are saying afternoon???

    ❓

    • The videos were in the morning but SOMEONE accessed the laptop in the den at almost 5 pm! I don’t know how it was overlooked by Nurmi when JM said maybe the cops did it. There were NO cops there on June 4th!

      • I remember Jodi saying that after they had sex that afternoon, they both were in the den and TA was on the computer. This is when she gave him the CD’s of their trips and they were scratched and it pissed him off. After this episode is when she went to the bathroom, cleaned herself up, and TA stayed in the den on the computer. She said she was trying to make him feel better, and suggested some cool shower pics, she said she had a great idea for a “Calvin Klein” ad type pose with water she had seen, and then they went upstairs for that shower scene photo shoot. So, there was activity on the computer that afternoon.

        • Thanks for the reminder about the afternoon den compurt activity I was about yo lose my mind & I have finally just about made it to the end of the daily post for the first time ever although it took me through lunch, dinner & almost bed time. At least I found the right list today & had some great Laughs along the way!

    • I find myself getting turned around today too. Of course I have had a looong week and if it wasn’t for Wildabouttrial on Twitter and everyone here on this page, I would really be lost. (To make matters worst, my flash is crashing today so I’m back on HLN)

  162. Okay………… feeling like I am in the Twilight Zone.

    what, WHAT the FUCK happened here?

    How could a police man have been on TAs computer on June 4?

  163. This is not anything new – why wouldn’t the defense bring this up to the computer guy?

    “…Anonymous proxies hide websites you visit… You’ll be redirected to the website of your choice; however, no one will be able to see that you visited this website because this information is hidden behind the proxy’s server….”

    Read more: How to Hide Websites Visited by Proxy | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/how_8608367_hide-websites-visited-proxy.html#ixzz2RKQZ7SfO

  165. we need another 10 minutes. now what, they couldn’t do that when they had the break about 15 min ago

  168. I am behind the trial and it sounds like something is up with the camera. As for desperation, I think JM may call a worker from McDonalds who thinks they might possibly have heard from the french fry person that Jodi got upset one time and cursed at the drive thru.

  169. Another wasted day after 4 days off…you’d think more would have been accomplished…
    Is there trial planned for this coming Friday?

  170. I wish someone would ask Melendez if it’s possible to use a software program to view porn on a computer and then remove the program when finished viewing porn – and leave no trace on the computer. It’s seems someone here described such a program but I can’t remember who or the name of the program.

  171. oh man, I had to leave for a minute so I missed some testimony! but based on your comments, it looks like Nurmi took care of everything, right? 🙂

    Oh, and I’m not at all worried about the Wal-Mart thing. JM can call Jodi a liar until he implodes like a toad, but none of the actual facts prove premeditaion.

    • Especially since the gas was purchased after the killing …. Makes zero sense for murder 1

      • But I’m still very afraid about it, because the jury are struggling with the “why should we believe you now” question and here we get a huge whole on her credibility

        soooo sad

        Please Help me to get positive

  172. Did someone mention Deanna read the email from the Hughes???? I missed the afternoon …. Was it the one sent to Travis or is this something else?

    • Yes,the one by the Hughes scolding TA for having dated Deanna for so many years without offering to marry her.Or sth to that extent.But she didnt read it out loud,so maybe Im wrong.

      • No, you’re right. She read it and said the “unpardonable” thing Travis did was in dating her for so many years but not marrying her.

    • Brenda, it was the emails between TA and the Hughes. Apparently it mentioned that he did something very bad to Deanna (went out with her for so long with no intention of marrying her). She had been giving testimony that they had spoken about marriage so after she read this, KN asked if she had ever seen that email before and she said no. She went on to ‘forget what she was talking’ about while answering the next question. She seemed shook up and it was painful to watch her.

  173. I was wondering what a “temple recommend” was and found this:

    “Specifically, to qualify for a temple recommend, one must correctly answer a series of questions examining what the church believes are the most important factors indicating one’s spiritual worthiness. These questions seek to ensure that the interviewee has a basic belief in key church doctrines, and obeys the most significant church rules, such as the following:

    a belief in God the Father, Jesus, the Holy Spirit;
    belief in the role of Jesus as the Savior;
    belief in the Restoration;
    support for the President of the Church and other general authorities and local church leaders;
    obedience to the “Law of Chastity” (strict celibacy outside of a marriage that is legally recognized by the local government, and that is both monogamous and heterosexual);
    refraining from the abuse of family members;
    no affiliation or agreement with polygamists or other people whom the church considers apostates;
    making a good faith effort to attend church meetings and obey other church rules;
    honesty;
    payment of tithing;
    following the church’s interpretation of the Word of Wisdom;
    payment of child support (if applicable);
    keeping the solemn oaths one has previously made in the temple;
    wearing the temple garment “night and day”; and
    confession of all serious sins to the clergy.”

    http://www.religionfacts.com/mormonism/practices/temple_ordinances.htm

    I think Travis would have totally lost his temple recommend. Am I right?

        • Show me a record of his visit to the bishop,then I’ll believe he did.TA word-NOT good!

          • Good point maria … just because they said they did doesn’t make it true. For all we know he told her he went and told her she should go on her own.

            I’d bet she’d go. Him … not so much.

          • I really do not find all the issues of going to the Bishop about sexual behavior as big a deal as some….this is why. It is actually the very same thing in most, if not all religions. In Christianity, lets just say for those of the Catholic faith, pre-marital sex is also a big no-no. Yet many many Catholics still have it, and will keep it to themselves, secret, and just go about their lives with one exception. They will tell their priest in confession. Maybe not, but they have that option. In the Lutheran faith, same, it is not allowed, yet folks will still do it, and if you feel bad about it, and want to be forgiven, you either pray about it, or go to see the Pastor. Same with Protestant…its against the rules, you can pray, or go talk to your minister. Judaism, pray or go see the Rabbi…..Muslim, pray about it or go see the Imam.

            I guess my point is that there really isn’t an organized religion that approves of any premarital sex, yet how many people who are members, actually follow that “order”? Maybe 50 years ago, and then…..I’m not sure, maybe they were just more careful or quiet…I am not trying to disparage anyones religion here at all, it just seems like some of the restrictions and fears surrounding them, can make people act out and it seems like it can certainly cause alot of problems with this whole issue of living a lie. Secrets due to religion are nothing new, but it sure seems a shame IMO.

            • Yes it is a no-no an yes it should be secret but back when I was dating
              real men married these women they did not just keep on hunting for a
              better one. An also if one got pregnant back in my day they got married
              also but now a days no one pushes marriage except Religion that is the
              difference. The ones that do not even attend church don’t worry about
              marriage that much. Really it is people that just have no morals at all
              that think it is ok to go out an screw with people’s minds an knock up
              a bunch of women an then not take care of none of them. Most of
              them do not attend any church.

              • Off subject Rhonda –
                But I think you misspoke or I am misunderstanding.
                I took some offense to this considering I am not religious (to be nice).

                Clearly, even crooks attend church, look at Travis.
                He became a master manipulator while wearing his white robes.

                And getting married due to pregnancy is a terrible idea!
                Not always, but often, look at divorce stats!

                Evil lurks in many people; religious, non-religious, young, old, male, or female Rhonda. I have more respect for life than some who are regular church goers.

                • No place is 100% pure of evil except heaven an maybe
                  a few small country towns haha –No offense intended y’all believe the way
                  ya want my adult child sure does.

            • Anna, I could not give one whit whether they had sex or not bf marriage nor care what religion they chose to follow.

              I do take issue with the fact that Jodi has been accused of lying and being the evil whore who lured and manipulated this poor innocent, virginal, chaste, honest and devout man down the road of debauchery.

              Nothing could be further from the truth. Today Deanna quietly, but beautifully illustrated that he was anything but honest, chaste or an innocent virgin.

              • Rainy,
                Well said, and I agree with you. I stated that I can’t believe any juror actually believed TA was a virgin…..it made no sense. I think the pros put Deanna on the stand to try to say TA was a great boyfriend, he didnt yell, hit, mistreat, blah blah blah….not about sex. They knew she had sex with him, they interviewed her prior to testimony. I think it is the public, the hater sites, the morons who have professed to know what went down in this who have tried to paint Jodi as the lying whore, the vixen who led TA down the sexual path he was unfamiliar with….which is a total joke as anyone with ears can hear the tape, and anyone with eyes can read the texts. My point was that IMHO, the pros didn’t really need to put this woman on the stand, all it did was humiliate her and that was unfair to her. But, I suppose if there were any jurors who actually believed TA was a virgin prior to Jodi, (crazy) they know better now.

                Mostly my post was a slight dig at religion in general, and how it forces people to stay in the shadows, and usually live a life of secrets and lies. But to each their own.

            • I do. I think it’s ridiculous that the Travis Taliban opened the door to this discussion by lying and pretending that TA was a virgin before meeting Jodi and was therefore corrupted. And now that it’s all out in the open that he was not, it’s somehow “not a big deal.” Oh please.

              It goes right back to the bullshit dialogue that HLN and the prosecution started against Jodi four months ago.

              If Travis couldn’t live up to the standards or meet the requirements of an elder, he should have stepped down. Period.

              • MB,
                I think you misunderstood my point. I have to think this jury is smart enough to realize TA was NOT a virgin when he met Jodi……and that Jodi didn’t come along and force him into kinky sex, and teach him how to have phone sex for an hour.That he wasn;’t a choirboy and here comes Jodi, who ripped of his clothes and had her way with him, all the while hypnotizing him. The HLN and haters are another story…they are just blind by hatred. But the jurors are regular people, and likely many are religous, they know premarital sex is forbidden, but most people ignore it, and I can’t imagine they will blame either TA or Jodi for having sex before marriage. I guess my comments were more about religion and how it forces people to lie and feel guilty about your personal life.

        • NO WAY. There is no way Travis jeopardized his reputation in the church. It’s laughable that Deanna claims they did.

          • Basse…..who knows??? She said they had different Bishops. He might have been in trouble and lied to her about it…..I doubt that he would have told her the truth about what happened when he confessed and asked for forgiveness. Its totally confidential too, so she would have never been able to find out either.

            • Travis lied to everybody, even the most important people in his life. He was a sociopath, and I don’t see him confessing. I’ve read his writings, and this guy was all about his con.

  176. So now how many years later poor Denna is still not married and no a virgin..no who in her faith is going to marry her…They all want virgins…

    • I feel sorry for her on one hand but another part of me feels like she brought this on herself. She could have gotten out of being a witness for the prosecution. She could have avoided this circus.

      • Off topic…….how can I put a pic up?? Explain it simply please…..I am computer challenged..lol.

  178. 9 minutes ago…Travis’ brother and sister when back to chambers now…

    13 minutes ago…Counsel went back into chambers as did Mike B. the court reporter…Jodi is in chambers too..

  179. Reading back the live blog about Melendez’s testimony:

    “Melendez said the last activity on the laptop recovered from Alexander was at 4:54 p.m. on June 8, 2008.”

    So, within just a half hour everything went to hell in a handbasket.

    • Yes, Lonnie also testified to that. Was used to access email account. The porn viewing was done at 4-5 am in the morning. (trial day 12-13)

      • Viri,
        I think you mentioned porn viewing before….where did you see/hear anything about porn? I watched the entire trial and haven’t heard anything at all about any porn being found anywhere…?

    • If what Melendez said is true…then maybe they should have been more precise at who was at the home that Sunday…June 8, 2008…

      “Melendez said the last activity on the laptop recovered from Alexander was at 4:54 p.m. on June 8, 2008.”

      If this is true….then that leaves only 4 people who could have accessed Alexander laptop on Sunday, June 8,2008….and that would be his two roommates, Zach and Enrique…and both their girlfriends, Mandy and Kim…

      And haven’t we said all along…that someone cleaned the house too clean…cleared the laptop…straightened the closet…etc…etc….

      June 4th…Wednesday…Travis died…
      June 5th…Thursday…Travis’ CTR ring and watch on kitchen counter
      June 6th…Friday…roommates and girlfriends watch movies at Travis’ house…
      June 7th…Saturday…Zach thinks he washed clothes or cleaned his house this day…
      June 8th…Sunday…Zach sent two text messages to Travis…everyone missed Travis at Church…

      June 9th….Monday….at 10 pm 911 was called to Travis’s house and they found him dead in the shower…Enrique noticed an odor in the house…

      For more details on each day….click above at the Flores Report…then click on the Detailed Breakdown Report for day by day details….

  181. Not a good day for the defense, the Wallmart info and Computer guy is factual and not just opinion based.
    J & K need to be able to refute that gas can info since it is the only evidence that I have seen that goes to their theory of premeditation. But with that along with the burglary of the gun, she could be in trouble.
    Hopefully they will get the sur rebuttal.

    • Lots of signs may point to premeditation but nothing comes remotely close to proving it.

    • It doesn’t go into anything. This is purely smoke and mirrors from the prosecution.

      You don’t borrow gas cans from a friend if you don’t want to be found out.

      Some people need to get a map of the western U.S. and understand why she had gas cans.

      • and you certainly wouldn’t leave a trail of receipts after the fact. This is so much crap…I mean really, she’d keep the receipts of the gas she bought to put in the gas cans she purchased so no one would know she was in Mesa….paaalease!

    • I don’t agree – the walmart thing meant nothing. Anyone who has ever been there knows the caliber of workers they hire, the chaos that goes on in that large place and that even so, having a gas can to travel a long distance is in no way an indication of premeditated murder. (Especially if one uses credit cards with one’s name AND tells people they where they are going.) Secondly, just cuz the computer guy claims he saw no evidence, does not mean there was none. The jury has already seen that TA wanted naked pics from not just Jodi, but from other women, too. I think the jury is smart enough to figure out a guy that uses language like TA did was not getting his info from the disney channel. And lastly, there is no proof or police report that JODI stole the gun, so what does that have to do with anything (as far as evidence goes)?

      • CindyP, not sure if I heard right, but when that computer guy was asked if he saw any porn, naked pics, etc… for TA…the way the computer guy stated that he didn’t find any of that “for TA.” Makes me wonder if he saw it for another user of that computer? Maybe TA had other alias and computer guy or one of his other buddies used his computer? Wish the judge would ask this website, if we have any questions. 😉

        • Exactly- I heard him qualify that as well. I thought that was very interesting that he was covering his ass like that

        • I did not hear that, Momo – but we all know that JM is totally into semantics. If TA used a proxy or not, if he was attempting to cover he probably would use another name. If the computer was still in Deanna’s name, then perhaps state is indicating that any sites asked about were ‘for Deanna” since hers was the only name there. I wish KN would have asked about proxies at the very least. IDK what to make of that! There is just no way in hell that a perv like TA would NOT look at porn – look at the photos he took of Jodi…. on the other hand – having a history of child porn could bring the cops or fbi to his house, so I’m sure TA would have taken precautions.

      • Well I am not dis agreeing that their is not evidence that shows TA was a jerk and abusive and I don’t think it was planned but….what I said was this gas can bit fits into their theory in that she was using gas from cans to stay under the radar in AZ. Now I agree in that why would she not of just paid cash but what I am saying is it certainly did not help her case, since they have tried to hit home that she lies, so I hope the defense is able to address that either in sur rebuttal or closing.

        • Her lying has already been addressed by defense and a couple of witnesses. They don’t really have to prove she was or was not lying about the gas cans. And “it certainly did not help her case,” is exactly why this shows no premeditation. If Jodi was so brilliant about planning a murder this would have been a lot easier to do. Oh, and why not take him to the desert to live out his fantasy of the tree/rape scene and shoot him with a gun she supposedly stole? A brilliant planner of murder would have figured out a better way than to borrow gas cans and use her credit card to fill them.

      • Ooops…meant to say… Maybe TA had other alias or one of his other buddies used his computer? (Didn’t mean to inclue computer guy as one looking for porn)

      • “Anyone who has ever been there knows the caliber of workers they hire, ” — I wrote her off at “SKEW”.

    • Nope, the gas can stuff is nothing but a long dead end for Martinez.

      Jodi only said she had 2 cans on her way to Mesa.

      She never said she didn’t have three in SLC.

      I checked that out. It’s really wonderful.

      And the Walmart thing – I think everyone knows they used to do cash returns, or something like that.

    • I posted this above:

      Here is something I am still not understanding.

      Why were they searching for gas cans when the receipt clearly says KEROSENE CANS?

      Juan repeatedly asked about “gas cans.” Nor did either of them stipulate the search was under the SKU or UPC number. Neither of them mentioned if there were returns done under a dummy SKU either.

      Plus this was a search done manually with a hard copy of paperwork. There was no “find” option like on a computer. There’s room for human error.

      • yes, MB, I read that above and agree with you on that. I don’t think gas cans, or the return of gas cans or not, is evidence of anything. (I’ve driven cross country alone, had gas in cans and didn’t plan on murdering anyone.) I have always been under the impression that is one reason people carry them – and it is nothing unusual. I’m guessing maybe that’s why the defense didn’t go into it too much.

  182. Good Grief! I’m not watching HLN but I admit it’s on my tv -without sound. I just saw Kato Kaelin on the screen? WTF?

    Surely, they are reaching if they have to dig up the likes of him

  183. Everyone is coming out of chambers now. Jury is waiting to come in. Staple lady is back. Valenator getting jury #JodiArias

  187. I knew that would happen, just bring back the jury to dismiss for the day…what a joke!

  192. Oh, for your amusement, I think I found an error in the minutes. http://www.courtminutes.maricopa.gov/docs/Criminal/012013/m5576302.pdf
    10:44 a.m. The Jury is now present.
    State’s case continues.
    Detective Esteban Flores is sworn and testifies.
    State’s Exhibit # 273 is received in evidence.
    The witness testifies further.
    State moves to enter Exhibit # 272 in evidence, Defense objects.
    LET THE RECORD REFLECT Counsel approach the bench and discussion is held on the record and out of hearing of the Jury.
    State’s Exhibit # 273 is received in evidence.
    State moves to enter Exhibit # 274 in evidence, Defense objects.
    LET THE RECORD REFLECT Counsel approach the bench and discussion is held on the record and out of hearing of the Jury.
    State’s Exhibit # 274 is received in evidence.

    Why does it say exhibit 273 received in evidence twice? Looks like the second one should be exhibit 272?

  193. Mozilla Firefox was based on browsing anonymously and that most Trojans/viruses were written for Windows.

    • I think all browsers have the option to browse anonymously. Just surfing with Chrome or Mozilla won’t prevent you from getting a virus. If your operating system is Windows, and a virus is written for Windows, you can get it.

      • Hiding your browsing tracks was the main point but at the time there were less viruses and ad pop up with Mozilla.

  194. did someone say that juror #7 was in chambers with counsel, Jodi and TA family. WTF is that about

  195. Here is something I am still not understanding.

    Why were they searching for gas cans when the receipt clearly says KEROSENE CANS?

    Juan repeatedly asked about “gas cans.” Nor did either of them stipulate the search was under the SKU or UPC number. Neither of them mentioned if there were returns done under a dummy SKU either.

    Plus this was a search done manually with a hard copy of paperwork. There was no “find” option like on a computer. There’s room for human error.

      • We know all this is just a lot of commotion Kermit is trying to make just to keep the Jury disoriented.But still,dont you think that even with Nurmi being aware of that,he would still jump in and fight in order to win this battle?

        • I agree, it couldve been so easy fir the defense to go up there and have this Walmart employee agree that not all employees work through the guidelines, that like she said herself, human error happen. Idk why, Idk he’d let that opportunity go!

      • I should have been clearer – when I say “them” I mean Juan and his wally world expert.

        I still think human error is all over this expert and her “findings.” The lady couldn’t even spell SKU.

        • He also didn’t call it a ” RED GAS CAN ” today, He said 5 gallon…… multiple times. Did anyone catch that?

          • I did catch that…..he said 5 gallon..can. many times. However, I believe if Nurmi thought there was something to that, he would have been all over it. The Walmart employee was not a surprise to the defense, they knew she was testifying and what she would say. When she did the records search for that day, if there had been a kerosene can return that day, JM would have never even brought her to the stand. No matter what it is called, there was no return for it on June 3rd. Now it’s up to the jury to decide if it’s an issue or not. Personally,. with the testimony from the Tesero body builder chick, those total receipts for gas do not look very good. If they were at different times of day, or different stations, but not all within minutes on the same day. Again, jury has to decide what to make of this. I was hoping there would be more questions for these witnesses.

          • Yes, I did catch that but he’s parsing words again. He’s trying to pretend that the search that was done was not done for gas cans when they were.

            • correct me if I am wrong please, but I thougth she also said that 1 1/2 weeks later one was returned or showed up on the record. It seems they cut her off real fast. Eiter way if it was returned and if it smelled like gasoline they would not have taken it back. also on that video when it was being shown on HLN weeks ago, I could have sworn he said his wife recorded it, not him.

    • Because Jodi was adamant that she returned it to the same walmarts she purchased it at .She bought them all at the walmarts that she was familar with.
      Didnt even know where the other walmart s was so she took the one she realised was excess to requirments back to the same store.
      Didnt think it was the same till she purchased them at or it was a different server.

      Thats why they checked that stores records but it doesnt realy matter if she is lieing in fact it is in her benifit .
      Why lie about something so trivial unless your a smart girl an your going on a trip alone across a desert
      You need cans for extra gas very imortant in case theres no station near an you run out of gas.

      Your driveing a hire car a vechicle your unfamiliar with an what if it broke down.
      Even more important in the desert is water .
      An a brand new gas can is just a giant bottle .
      You put gas in it its a gas can put martinis in it then its a party bottle.
      You fill it with water then its a giant water bottle with gallons of presious water handy in the desert,

      For thirst dureing break down or to get you to next gas pumpp if your radiator over heats another common ocourace inthe dessert.A sharpp stone puntures your radiator unless you got lots of cool water an mabe an egg to plug the lrak your in trouble.

      So Jodis a smart Gall an she would know this an may have well bought the extra gas gan as a water can teen,
      But she also caught on to the detective not beleiveing anything she said an thought shit he dont beleive me about this or that.
      An he is conviced I bought all thease gas cans for fuel an when I tell him no one was for water he is just going to put on a condesending voice an say you expect me to beleive that.

      You no thats not true ,,,water Jodi you expect me to beleive that .
      Your going to fill a huge can of possable kife saveing water into your car.No makes no sence Jodi tell the truth it was fuel wasnt it.

      After a while you get sick of never being beleived so yeah she lied said she took it back any thing to move on shut him up an stop saying gas cans and your lieing……..I know you Gals are impressed with Nurmi but Im not Willmots the bomb Nurmi not so much,

      Im a guy an in my day I did my share of galavanting before my Wife made a decent human out of me .
      An I know how guys act an think.
      Im not proud or boasting but at times I had more than one on the go at once even 3 at times.

      One I may be haveing sex with another not an maybe another that I hoped to conquer one day.
      My ppoint is though none of them new of the others exsistance.
      An if each of them met at a bar an discussed there boy freind me.
      As long as my name wasnt mentioned they would each be describeing a differnt peron an personality

      As I was in different type of relationship with each of them an Nurmi seems incapable of getting this over to the Jurours with his silly remaks to his ex girl freind .
      Did he want to tie you to a tree an shove it up your ass ect
      An then ending with the lame
      Oh I geuse he was in a differnt kind of relationship.

      An at such a slow pace as well an in a monotone voice.
      He should have been fireing all the deviant acts he performed on Jodi quik smart an say didnt do that to ou did he an as soon as she says no fire another then another.

      An then ended by saying ah well differnt strokes for differnt folks
      This would have reonated with the Jurours i m o

  198. Do we know if the prosecution is finished with rebuttal? If so, and if the defense has been granted surrebuttal, maybe the delay tomorrow is getting the expert witness here from San Diego.

    • JM still had 2 other witnesses on his list, apparently. One was the Cancun PPL person. The other was about the shelves. But the defense filed a motion to exclude the shelves witness. So, perhaps they just won on that today in chambers? If so, wouldn’t he still want his Cancun PPL person, or has he decided to rest? That could make the defense look happy.

      The other possibility is that there’s a hearing tomorrow on the surrebuttal witness, possibly to qualify him. I don’t know if he’s been qualified in that particular court or in AZ before.

        • Speculation out there … that person knew Jodi was on the manifest as Travis’s companion for the Cancun trip originally, but then, he changed it to Mimi. Goes to the BS jealousy motive.

            • If that is what they/he/she will tstify to, it goes against what Jodi said on the stand. Remember when JM was grilling her and trying to tell her she was jealous about not getting to go to Cancun…and she stated that she knew about that trip for a long time, and she knew he had Mimi chosen to go the whole time. So, if this witness says that it was Jodi on the ticket, and then he changed it at the last minute, that goes against what Jodi said about the ticket. As with everything else, depends on how the jury takes it.

              • On the recording they both state that Travis was planning on going
                to visit Jodi after the Cancun trip so there is a FACT they both knew
                at that time Jodi was not going on to the Business Cancun trip.

              • Ok I thought that they didn’t know who was getting to go on the trip until later in the early spring of 2008. Didn’t they win the trip? Jodi was back in CA by that time.

                • Cindy…

                  On page 13 of the Flores report…under interview with Chris and Skylar Hughes…

                  They said that the Cancun trip was a Prepaid Legal paid seminar/vacation…Travis asked Marie “Mimi” Hall to go on a business trip with him about a month before…

              • She said on the stand that she was never supposed to go and that he was going to take the babysitter of a friend. Something like that.

                • Jodi said that she never knew about Mimi going on the trip until sometime after June 4, 2008. She had understood that the babysitter was going on the trip.

              • How do you explain the phone sex tape where Jodi talks with Travis about the trip, and what plans he has afterwards, the whole TWO WEEKS before the trip is supposed to take place?

                So no, the plans weren’t changed “at the last minute.”

                • Right….I know. In the tape they are talking about who he will visit after he gets back from Cancun, some folks in CA, and also her. He says he isn’t sure about the other people, but she is “first on his list”….I was referring to the actual ticket and the trip to Cancun. Jodi testified that she was never on this ticket to go, and had known about the trip for a long time, it didn’t make her jealous, etc…(as JM was trying to imply she was furious etc) So, now, there is apparently someone from PPL who will say that Jodi’s name was originally on the ticket, but it was removed and changed to Mimi. My point was if this is true, Jodi never said on the stand that she was ever on the ticket as TA’s guest.

                • We know that oh so well. Hopefully, the jury caught it too. But JM isn’t about to give up on any of his little circumstantial BS items that he thinks prove premeditation … well except maybe the hair dye. He seems to have dropped that.

                • I forgot about that MB…thanks for reminding us…I heard her testify a while back that she knew she wasn’t going on that trip to Cancun like months in advance because of financial…and now the phone sex tape…that is like 2 pieces of testimony that she knew in advance that she wasn’t going on that trip…many thanks…

                • It seems like a stretch on Juan’s part – just because she was on it, then taken off, does not mean she knew about it at all. Travis had a habit of doing damn near everything behind everyone else’s back.

    • Looks like JM has dropped the hair dye and maybe the license plates too. Wrestling with that prank makes him look like a conjurer.

  201. I am watching HLN while AZCentral still has the seal up…

    They just annouced court adjourned for today…

    Juan just talked to the detective about the laptop…

    Did any of you catch Juan’s mistake…he didn’t even catch his own mistake…JM has gotten the date of June 4th and June 9th mixed up…

    FYI…recap…Wednesday, June 4, 2008 Travis is dead…JM got this mixed up with Monday, June 9th, 2008 Mimi called 911 at 10 pm…

    Someone needs to re-listen and get the exact wording…but it goes something like this…He said the last entry on that computer was at 4:54 pm on June 4th…Juan went on to say that Mr. Alexander, Ms. Arias, or the police could have accessed that computer…the detective said yes that was possible…then Juan said that anyone that came in later on June 4th that even the police could have accessed that computer…the detective said yes…

    Nurmi didn’t catch the error either…

      • Great…happy to know that we all cleaned out our ears this morning…LOL…

      • Walmart has a “GLITCH” in their computer system…

        I had to go to Walmart this evening…I had previously purchased two 12 pack Seagrams ginger ale…I didn’t notice until I got home that the computer charged me $20.00 for each ginger ale…making it a $40.00 mistake…each ginger ale usually rings up $3.98 each…

        My receipt looked like this:
        Seagrams 007297900416 F $20.00
        Seagrams 007297900416 F $20.00

        I asked for the manager when I got there because I wanted to know how this happened…
        1. Store manager didn’t know how it happened
        2. CSR manager didn’t know how it happened
        3. Front desk clerk didn’t know how it happened
        4. Another front desk clerk didn’t know how it happened

        It took 4 Walmart employees to look at my receipt….and try to figure out how a $3.98 pack of ginger ale scanned for $20.00…

        I told them before I leave someone had to tell me how it happened because I told them that mistakes like this is not supposed to happen at Walmart stores…and I told them that I bet other people that bought the same ginger ale at other Walmart stores got charged $20.00…They said that it probably only happened at our store…I asked them are you sure it was just at our Walmart store…they said they didn’t know…

        And I still insisted that I wouldn’t leave without an answer…The CSR manager finally told me that it was a “GLITCH” in the computer system…I just smiled and said,” so I have it on record that it was a “GLITCH” in the computer system”…and she said, “yes”…

        P.S. If any of you have purchased this ginger ale in the last several weeks from Walmart please check your receipt…they really don’t know for sure how this happened and don’t know for sure if it affected other Walmart stores…and they didn’t go to any trouble to document it or try and check it out with the Walmart Corporate Stores…so it didn’t go any further than the 4 of them and me…

        Seagrams 007297900416 F $20.00
        Seagrams 007297900416 F $20.00

        • The reason that I posted this is for the very reason that if Walmart computer systems made this Whopper of a “GLITCH” on my receipt….then they sure could have made a whopper jr. “glitch” of Jodi’s return at Walmart…

    • Okay, here’s what I got, my best attempt at transcription after the recess and before jury questions.

      JM: Sir, one of the things that you indicated to defense counsel was that, based on your examination, there was … the last activity was at 16:54 hours, correct?

      MM: Yes.

      JM: And that’s 4:54 p.m. on June 4th, correct?

      MM: Correct.

      JM: Sir, um … do you know how that activity got on there?

      MM: I don’t … I don’t know recall exact activity, but that’s the last time, someone used …

      JM: Or somebody attempted to get on this computer?

      MM: Right, yes.

      JM: So it could, it could be that one of the police officers or somebody else may have touched it, right?

      Nurmi: Objection, beyond the scope.

      MM: At uh 4:54 p.m. …

      Judge: Hold on. Hold on. Overuled

      MM: I’m sorry. At 4:54 p.m., at that time, I’m not sure if they were there or not. I don’t know.

      JM: Well the …somebody was there to access it on June 4th at 4:54 p.m. Correct?

      MM: Correct.

      JM: And you don’t know how that happened, right?

      MM: No.

      JM: So it could have been … Mr. Alexander, correct?

      MM: Yes.

      JM: It could have been Ms. Arias. You just don’t know who accessed it at that time, correct?

      MM: Correct. Correct.

      JM: We do know that the police showed up some time later, right?

      MM: Yes.

      JM: Do you know exactly what was being accessed on June 4th, 2008?

      MM: Exac …

      JM: At 4:54 p.m.

      MM: I don’t recall.

      JM: But it was just being accessed, right?

      MM: Yes.

      JM: I don’t have any other questions.

      • Lonnie Dworkin testified that the computer was used to access email at that time 4:50pm.

      • Thanks abused for the transcription…

        June 9th was never mentioned…I put it up there to remind the reader that Juan is talking about events of two days and combining them to just happening on one day, June 4th…(he made a boo boo)

        Juan was getting both evenings of Wednesday, June 4th and Monday,June 9th mixed up…he combined events of both evenings and nights and said on June 4th…

        4:54 pm computer was accessed….he said 4:54 pm 5 times…that time happened on Wednesday, June 4, 2008…(this was right before the shower photos were taken)

        June 4th…he said June 4th 2 times and June 4, 2008 one time…the police would not have been there on that night…they came to Travis’ house when 911 was called on Monday night 10 pm on June 9, 2008…

        That whole transcription of Juan talking is mixed up…and the irony of it all….he didn’t catch any of his own mistakes…

        • He constantly does that. Which is why he never makes any sense. Heard him say “the defendant and Ms. Arias” also. He does not even know the crap that comes out of his own mouth. It is no wonder that no witness can understand him.

  203. Yikes…I wish that juror wouldn’t have asked that question about the pictures left on the camera memory card. I had always assumed that the card had a mass delete so that it was completely blank…

    • It has been confusing on which photos were deleted, which photos were not, and why some had time stamps and other didn’t. One of my HP digital camera works will take photos without a memory card but my more expense Cannon has to have a memory card in it before it will take a picture. Also, I thought in the beginning it was said the memory card was in the bottom of the washer AND the little rubber door piece that holds the memory card in place. Then later testimony came out that the memory card was still in the camera…so I’ll totally confused about the camera.

  205. Just talked to a friend who hacks for FDA .. he said every single site can be verified in the bios with times and if there’s a log in, who logged in. The witness claimed he found nothing, stated so to the jurors question, KN found the 4am site and time, the witness kinda said oh chit.

    • Then why didn’t Nurmi elaborate. I think that point may have been missed by the jurors.

    • Oh that makes sense now. Thanks. I had no idea what Nurmi was trying to prove with that question 😉

  206. Does anyone know if Dr. Geffner evaluated Jodi or is he just coming in with generalized information?

  207. Actually I would think the juror who asked the question knows everything that goes across the hard drive stays in it. Nurmi busted the witness, the juror got confirmation.

    • I apologize for posting juror 6 earlier…I meant to post juror 8…this info was on another website who has a courtroom observer there every day of the trial…

      They feel that juror 8 maybe the one posing the most questions…

      Juror 8…older nice looker male with goatee that looks like he may be the juror foreman
      Juror 9…slender male with long white pony tail

  208. Wtf just happen, today has been a weird day! Even the witnesses were weird! And then the day is over with the defense all smiling? ! I mean I guess thats good but geeeesh, I have a headache! !!

    • I feel that they were smiling because there weren’t any new surprising information that they hadn’t already heard before…or did I miss something????

    • same here.

      I don’t care what the pro-prossies say. The testimony today was totally useless and unnecessary. As usual, Juan presented a wholly incoherent train of thought that was easily derailed by the defense.

  209. I had lunch today with my best friend who has been involved with domestic violence victims. She has heard little about the case and I spent about a half hour just detailing what jodi went through with Travis and she agreed that he was manipulative and narcissistic and was an abuser and that she went overboard when killing him because women in that situation are always afraid the attacker will get back up and keep coming. Not at all unusual. She knows a couple of women who have killed their spouses or boyfriends. I also love how Nurmi handled Dianna Ried butI would have gone further. Sorry, I have a woman’s life on the line.

    • Despite DR’s compliant and quiet exterior, KN should have gone further. Should have asked her what kind of sex she had with TA – anal? Who initiated it? What story line did TA use to ‘convince’ her to go along and against her morals as a morman? Why did she stay 7 years? At which point in their relationship did TA pull the plug re. marriage, and tell her it was not going to happen with her? Did she realize that given that she was morman, and that she was no longer a virgin, and that she had had sex outside of marriage it would now compromise her future in terms of being marriage within her religion? Did she discuss that with him? How did she feel about it? – Man, there was just so much more he could have done. Why did KN seem so careful and not willing to take it all the way. JM did not seem to give a sh*t, so why should the DT do? I did not find this to be a fruitful day for the DT. Something seemed lacking. What really happened today?? crap.

      • I agree. He had a lot of stuff he could have asked her and to hell with JM’s objections or her sensitivity. She may be hurt and jealous to this day.

      • My goodness, Introspective – you’re brutal; and you are so right! That line of questioning may have driven home how abusive and manipulative TA was. Some say Deanna was not abused but treated with respect. i don’t agree. I think TA used her like he used all the others. He even stated that he did. Deanna knew that he had broken up with another girl – but she was still there, waiting. Being as level-headed as she seemed, she would have known, deep down inside, that something wasn’t right (as Jodi would say, something wasn’t right with that boy). I thought defense missed a lot of opportunities and even wondered if they are doing this on purpose in case of a guilty verdict (they did already file a motion in which it was stated they couldn’t give adequate council, didn’t they?)

        But with that being said, and my fears of not going all JM during cross, I still feel like the defense is in a good position. The bottom line is that premeditation is not proven and there are just too many items pointing to an abusive and manipulative TA – and that is found in his own words and on more than one occasion with/from more than one person. If the jury doesn’t see that then there would be nothing that would convince them.

        • I think he abused every woman he was ever with. He just used a variety of ways to abuse them.

          • I think you may be right tonysam.
            And maybe his abuse got more intense as he grew older,the resentment growing older too?

  210. I know I’m late in the game for this, but can someone explain gravatar or whatever it is to me? I would like to finally make an avatar. LOL

  211. Yes, god forbid a man’s girlfriend doesn’t sit enraptured with the same story she’s probably heard a thousand times before cell phone footage was shot of her hotshot boyfriend.

    And if she did sit and watched him, enthralled with his story they’d probably say it’s proof that she was an obsessed stalker.

    Pulleezze. Ain’t nothing Jodi can do without the haters spinning it some way. That’s all they know how to do is spin.

    • What kind of massive shithead tells an ENTIRE ROOM of people about their stupid dream? At freaking midnight, no less?

      • little cult leader who acts the part of being PPL wealthy with the most beautiful woman in the room on his laps.

        • acting as if he’s a member of a stand-up comedy club,trying to win the Oscar for best actor!!

          • joujou! YES! I’m stunned to learn this was only a dream he’d captured everyone in the room’s attention with …

            Too funny!

          • Yeah, I hope that idiot who was shaking her head in disgust on Dr. Tool’s show is embarrassed now. The nerve of Jodi, sleeping through Travis’ re-telling of a dream!

            • Wait, what the fuck, am I reading this right?
              IT WAS A DREAM?!
              Seriously…

              So, was his PPL “friend” recording this to make fun of Travis?
              Travis was the only one who wasnt in on the joke – which was that the joke was him, right?

      • Because it is so obvious Travis loved to be the Main Man in the room
        everyone look an listen to me Saint Travis. Egotistical conceited an
        self absorbed Mormon/LDS Male.

        Some people think of it as confident
        sorry I just never have looked at men that have to be the center of
        attention like that.

    • Having a vivid,wicked imagination and twisting things around would be the only thing they are entitled to be proud of!

    • I didn’t see the video they showed in court today but the one I saw online showed the guy nearest the camera yawning his ass off!

      • Yes he is yawning and BORED to DEATH! But the heads never seem to notice or comment on that! hahaha

  212. Deanna, seemed like a good person. She was truthful and came across as sincere. She struck me as a compliant and willing to please kind of girl. She must’ve been enthralled by all the many stories and antics of TA. Regalling her constantly. She was strung along for a good 7 years, poor thing.

    The quiet types, even if they seem to suffer in silence, underneath she may have been seething at the gall of this man to keep her hanging while using her for so long. Then of course, along came JA… Bright, shiny and gorg. He was smitten no doubt. He made his initial relationship with JA public, as he did their breakup. So gullible DR believed it to be so. TA played DR and JA against each other by telling each that the other was a stalker, one to be avoided. DR then sees TA getting it on with Lisa A. and also finds out about the nite she asks him to stay overnite. After hearing and seeing DR I get the feeling that the email that LA recd could have been penned by DR – remember the words in the emails. The anger that was seething underneath, could’ve come out with the tire slashing etc. How many true life stories have you encountered where it is the quiet one in the end. I am just theorizing here per what I feel instinctually. TA played DR big time and got her to do all his bidding. So then she gets the dog as a ‘thank you’ gift for being treated like one by him. Ironic and twisted.

      • Did you notice the sweet tiny smile on Jodi’s face when the dog was mentioned?

        I took it as she was smiling at with the happy memories she has of the dog

    • Travis had chemistry with Jodi…sparks flied in their relationship…

      Travis had a platonic relationship with Deanna…kinda like brother and sister…good one to sit around with an talk for hours on end then say goodnight see ya tomorrow…

      • Right, and don’t you think for such great friend material, that he wouldn’t tell Deanna about his mother and father abusing him growing up?

        After a SEVEN YEAR relationship, Jodi would be like a total stranger to be telling those things about.

        • You are right…I am divorced…and just recently a nice looking guy friend wanted a kiss from me…he wanted to know if “we made sparks fly”…so we kissed…and for him the sparks flied…and for me…none at all…I told him that we are just going to stay friends…

          And in saying all of that…I kinda think that was how Travis and Deanna relationship was at…Travis didn’t feel anything…nada…and Deanna was more like a “puppy love” with Travis and wanting to marry him…

      • My gut feeling is that Travis got his “kink” on with prostitutes prior to meeting Jodi. He knew that the other girls he dated wouldn’t go for it, but Jodi had a naivete and impressionable nature.

    • Good points all around.

      Here is the email in entirety. Spooky stuff:

      “You are a shameful whore. Your Heavenly Father must be deeply ashamed of the whoredoms you’ve committed with that insidious man. If you let him stay in your bed one more time or even sleep under the same roof as him, you will be giving the appearance of evil. You are driving away the Holy Ghost, and you are wasting your time. You are also compromising your salvation and breaking your baptismal covenants. Of all the commandments to break, committing acts of whoredom is one of the most displeasing in the eyes of God. Think about your future husband, and how you disrespect not only yourself, but him, as well as the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Is that what you want for yourself? Your future, your salvation, and your posterity is resting on your choices and actions. You are a daughter of God, and you have been a shameful example. Be thou clean, sin no more. Heavenly Father loves you and wants you to make the right choices. I know you are strong enough to choose the right. Your Father in Heaven is pulling for you. Don’t ignore the promptings you receive, because they are vital to your spiritual well-being.”

      Out of all of it, the “you are wasting your time” sticks out for me.

      How would that person know that, if they didn’t know firsthand?

      • This is the email sent to Lisa Andrews (Daidone) that is rumored to be sent from Jodi. There was never any proof that it was. There are also rumors out there in internet haterland saying that the pros has a computer witness who will verify that. Seems odd though, since they just had a computer expert on the stand who didn’t mention it…..

      • MB, Thats exactly the line that stood out to me!

        Also it seems like DR did not want to see another girl get entangled with ‘that insidious man’ and destroy their future with another man, and compromise their standing with God as she felt she did for him. Its sounds like her pouring her heart out and warning another not to do what she did. Poor thing. She has a kind heart and truly believed this guy and gave up all for naught. Only JA, despite giving in, finally realized where he was coming from and began to reel it in (perhaps to her detriment) albeit, gently, because she felt for his tortured soul.

      • My gut instinct is that the writer of that email is a man…and it is a man that strongly objects to Lisa’s behavior and relationship with Travis…perhaps he has seen Lisa enough to know that she is somewhat a naive young girl and that Travis is just going to use her like he used the other girls in his life…

        And I’ll go a step further and say that it is a man that knows Travis very well, a close male friend that has seen first hand how Travis reels a woman in and gradually and subtly gets her into his bed, this man knows of Travis crafty ways with women…and this man who feels compelled enough to warn Lisa…

        This man who knows all of Travis’ dirty little secrets with all of his women, including Jodi…and this man dislikes that side of Travis….but loves in a friendship way the other side of Travis…and only someone very close to Travis would know all of this about Travis and that would be one of his roommates…the one he allows a key to his bedroom to get something if he needed it…

        Both roommates are mormons and go to the same church as Travis…

        • By the way…that email is all masculine tone…written by a male….

          definitely not a feminine tone email…no females wrote that email…

          • truthseeker!!!

            I read this somewhere that it was thought it was written by a male.

            I’m impressed that you say this also. What are you seeing that you feel points to it being authored by a male?

            I wish I remembered where I saw this – unless it was you, weeks ago? At the time I heard this I was curious what the email said. After reading it I would have no idea as to the sex of the author. Why do you feel it is written by a guy?

            Thanks

      • Wow! I have never read the email in full. But this has the ring of a long-time religious person and not the sophisticated and controlled words of Jodi Arias. I really wish they could prove who sent it, but my guess would be DR and that is truly sad.

      • I just thought of something. This goes along well with the line “You are wasting your time” Could the writer of this email possibly been Skye Hughes? After all, her and her hubby got on Travis’s case over Jodi, why not Lisa? Perhaps they were trying to warn her against him too. Maybe John Hepworth told them what was going on.

  213. holy crap….why does everyone love saint travis so much?? i’m getting buried over on city data forum true crime jodi arias…and hnl doesn’t own it. is 70% of the population Mormon or something?

    • They are such hypocrites. I threw out religion when I was 10 when my neighbor shot my dogs on public property after going to church..still in his suit.

      • Hypocrite is a great word Nancy.
        Was trying to find this word in an ealier post – just didnt come to me.

        🙂

      • OMG! Shot your dogs! Ughhh….I’m so sorry. I can’t imagine something like that happening….:(

        • Oh yeah! Good catholic with 17 kids! They were swimming in the creek behind tour property which was next to his but not on his. It traumatized me for my life.

          • Our* property. They always liked to swim there and then came home. Not that day!

            • I think he would have shot the dog whether or not he went to church. Mean is just mean! And that is mean. As a kid I would have cried for days over that.

      • Nancy, I’m so sorry! And sad for you that you have this memory.

        But good on you for having this insight so very young.

        It took me a bit longer to come to this conclusion.

    • I am not being critical when I say this but I am saying this because this is how I interpret him….Travis has become a person of notoriety for all of his sexual deviant behaviors…and I feel that he has set some new norms for the next generation of the “laws of chastity” for the mormon church…there will be much more sexual activity going on in the future…and truthfully…I feel there are a lot of sexual activity going on in the present…”do and don’t tell”

          • yep … or like average human’s on earth … what have we multiplied to these days – 7 billion?

            • I forgot about the human species…so many days filled with hearing what all the devils are saying that I totally forgot about the rare few human species left…yep…that explains it…since they’re not listening to the devils…they have more time for play…hehe…

  214. If Nurmi had went all aggressive and chiguagua on Deanna, can you imagine the reaction of the pundits? And maybe even the jury. I think the respectful way that he and JW treat witnesses is a better tactic. Sounds like Deanna was basically in TA’s ‘friend’ zone and he just incidentally talked her into having sex with him then it got awkward so he strung her along for awhile. I hope the State rests their ridiculous farce of a case soon. Surely we’re not the only intelligent people who realize Jodi deserves to be released asap. I did feel for the family as they cried in court about their harsh upbringing but evidently this affected TA most of all and turned him into manipulator who mentally and sometimes physically abused women.

    • He didn’t need to go nuts on her but I would have made sure it was clear that what Travis did with her and what he did with jodi and others was totally different. The Mormon religion is what should be on trial here. So stupid.

    • I agree Gwen,
      I think they were more like buddies than anything else. He probably liked her well enough, and yes, they had sex, but in the end, she figured out it was going nowhere and she got out. I agree, he just led her on for awhile til he got to the next one. If Nurmi had attacked her, or kept going over sex with her, the jury would have been upset, as she was a credible and polite witness, and very likeable. To attack her or be rough on her would have been foolish. I actually felt bad that JM even called her as a witness in the first place, it really had no bearing on the case at all, IMHO, and I felt bad that she had to sit there and go over details of her personal life that way.

      • And no doubt TA was getting something on the side. Deanna would never have a clue given how he portrayed himself to her. I doubt she could get her head wrapped around it today even if there was proof he was during their time together.

        No way was he not getting it while she was away on the mission.

        And didn’t he tell Jodi he never whacked off until he met her??? Yeah right T dog….If you weren’t doing the whacking someone else’s hand sure was.

        • From what I understand, Travis Alexander wrote on his blog how awful and abusive his mother was. I have not read it myself, but I just find it interesting that he was with Deanna for SEVEN YEARS and never once mentioned an episode of abuse – but she knew about him living in poverty though.

            • Right, it looks like it from this angle for sure. IMO most of the stories he tells are highly suspect. Like the video of him talking about being held hostage.

              I have firsthand experience with an ex mormon who converted to paganism and then claimed his dead grandmother was a witch. He did this to bolster his own status in the pagan community. I have no doubt Travis was pulling the same stunt, so he could make his career as a motivational speaker more credible.

              • He was a total liar. If he ever told me the sky was blue, I’d have to look outside to make sure it was true.

                What a user he was. He had multiple sides, not just two sides, to his personality.

              • The hostage story is A DREAM. Travis is boring the shit out of Jodi, because he’s retelling an effing DREAM. At midnight. After a long day. Oh, god, Travis was insufferable.

          • Travis kept Deanna at arms length so to speak….and he allowed his secrets to be kept in Jodi’s heart…

            • Right, like I said earlier, after being in a relationship with Deanna for SEVEN YEARS you’d think Jodi would be like a total stranger. It makes no sense why he would tell her intimate parts of his life but not Deanna. It just doesn’t fit.

  215. I am behind. It is so obvious that Travis had two sides and his problem with jodi was that he really liked her, loved her and would have married her had she not been a slut to him. It shows what a jackass he was. Martinez is going so down the wrong street here. He couldn’t give up jodi. Deanna wasn’t what he wanted Not hawt enough for him and besides she liked sex. Nurmi should have asked at the end did you know that he wasn’t having sex with whatever her name was but he wanted to marry her?

    • I think it was more that he knew he couldn’t control Deanna. She went to the bishop. She told him “marry me, or eff off.” Abusers don’t like strong women.

      • True. And jodi had self esteem issues big time. He had her wrapped around his little finger. Not only that, she seems to be much more intelligent than he was.

        • Abusers can NOT resist a beautiful highly intelligent woman who they believe they can wrap around their little fingers. They look for women they can break down.

          I still think Deanna, good virtuous woman, was a “beard” so that Travis could carry on his nefarious acts with other women and look good in his church.

      • She said Travis went to the bishop too. He prob only went because she was going and he knew he had to also to save face. Must have really pissed him off.

    • Yes we know they all say they never had sex? I don’t believe them.
      We were not there an they are not going to say they did have sex
      in front of the world. Travis spent the night with Lisa. So really as
      persuasive as he was maybe it was just not the vagina sex so
      that is not really sex to some of them in their heads.

      Travis really was the one being rejected in the end. Lisa then Mimi
      an Jodi I am sure she was moving on to Ryan. An felt sorry for
      Travis because Mimi only wanted to be ‘friends” on that trip to
      Cancun. So she went there for one more sexcapade is just what
      I think. An maybe she went there to just be a friend but it went
      into more of course.

    • I agree he has two sides and I am so upset at Dr Drew, he knows how this can be but he is so one sided, they all are on that channel because they are so afraid of telling the truth and possibly losing viewers. Dr Drew even said tonight you put those two personalities together, Travis and Jodi, you get fireworks so he keeps those types apart in treatment. By saying that he is telling us Travis could be abusive and violent! I am sad I used to like Dr Drew but he is so biased now, everyone on HLN saying how much they like Travis now, of course, no friend of his is going to dare say the truth about him, they are only telling one side and the haters are only telling one side of Jodi, like the minute I met her her eyes were dark holes, she didnt talk, SHE WAS SHY, I AM SHY, PEOPLE THINK I AM STUCK UP OR SNOTTY BUT I AM NOT, I JUST DONT KNOW WHAT TO SAY TO SOME PEOPLE, SOMETIMES. I am behind on all of this but hasnt any of Jodi’s friends been brought on to tell how sweet she is? Like her friend from elementary school, she was in her wedding?

    • You can also narrow down Google Scholar by jurisdiction. I would limit it to legal documents, though, as articles will pull up a lot of journal publications. Only drawback is it doesn’t always have newer cases.

      Another good one for research, if you have an iphone or ipad, is the fastcase app. It’s free and well worth it. Once you find the case, google it and you will often find an easier to read version on Leagle.com. Unfortunately, that site (Leagle) is hard to research on, but handy if you already know the case.

      • Also thanks for the information about google scholar and leagle
        not very familiar with google scholar, though thought good to mention it to all here as a source
        had a quick look at it
        how it limits choices is a little curious initally

        articles or legal documents first [ ignore patents here]

        then under legal documents, narrow the search to federal courts or select a jurisdiction, such as arizona

        then from that result it can be limited by time etc
        or when there, open those other aspects initallly bypassed

        oh, great this looks like a lot of fun :O
        not serious 🙂

        google scholar is a good research tool located at

        google’s offerings are at http://www.google.com/intl/en/about/products/

    • Wes…I’m leaving that glutton punishment up to you as you are doing a wonderful job in all that research…I’ll just sit back and enjoy reading your findings…hehe…sending you a (smiley face)

      • Truthseeker, thanks, you’re welcome 🙂
        not too difficult, or time consumer, with a little knowledge
        and i, like everyone here, feel compelled to fight this injustice

        importantly, as an aid to that i’ve long had and use a multiple monitors set-up which makes any research quite easy

        such would be very laborious on a single monitor

        to set up such there’s only a little to know technically, [ i did it ] but basically add a multiple graphics card or two into your tower computer, then attach monitor(s) onto your system, and then you have 2, 3, 4, or say 5 monitors, etc

        it’s a feature of windows, ] and also i believe apple ? ]
        most laptops i believe are already set up to add/receive another monitor ie now two !

        for anyone interested …
        enter the words windows multiple monitors
        in

        http://www.google.com/videohp?hl=en

        etc

  217. Nurmi infuriates me. He seems to get to the pivotal point and then stops. He needs to pound it in somehow.

    • Jenn does the same thing though. Most lawyers do. They are subtle, they throw hints. JM is the only one who blasts it out and then makes the point again, and again, and again. Maybe he knows something about jurors in that area?

      • I would at least do one follow up question in a slightly different way to make sure the jury got it. I think our jury system is great but I don’t trust ALL jurors. You can’t.

    • I love Nurmi! Yes, his tone is boring at times, but he gets the point across without berating the witness or yelling bcuz he thinks whoever yells the loudest is right. He makes his point and that’s the end of it. I think bcuz we are seeing Kermit’s over dramatized antics we think Nurmi isn’t doing enough. I think he is.

    • Also, Nurmi always looks so chill to me. Like, I got this bitch! I love that about him!

    • the jury is smart… from their questions

      nurmi was polite to deanna … the jury wouldve appreciated that … he made many many points about ta … deanna revealed a lot … its not about deanna. but what she said about ta , his family, their relationship, and her understanding of it, the mormon church rules especially re chastity … oddles of points were made … it all adds up

      also, if murmi didn’t know the answer in this dangerous area, he might ask one question too many
      he led deanna carefully into an area until he sensed where it might pan out

      even if she occasionally lied, it was understandable, to an astute jury
      no beatings, or “unusual” sex. apparently straight missionary
      if nurmi had pushed. what might have happened, she might’ve dug in, and dened such,and all he would have done is alienate the jury, for no benefit to jody
      it’s understandable if deanna mightve lied in the sexual [ and less likely violence] area, the jury would’ve understood that
      who could prove otherwise if she denied such
      not ta

      jm the bully had covered theses areas

      “You catch more flies with honey than vinegar”
      i’m not in any way saying deanna was “flies,”
      the truth about ta are the “flies”

      from what i saw of her she seemed nice, sensible
      no sense in embarassing her before millions, forever, on the remote possibility that she might recant
      such would be an unnecessarily high risk strategy by nurmi
      and jodi

      that’s my assessment from the little i saw today

  218. Is Nancy Grace even watching the same trial?? Jodi jealous of Deanne?? Geez…. really??

    • What is clear to me is Travis treated women differently even when the women had similar interests or did similar things with him.

      He was a total jerk.

    • NG is a washed up former lawyer. She has no empathy, is incapable of being open-minded, and it’s either her way or the highway. I can only say I pity her kids. Can you imagine her for a mother? There would never be any negotiation, it would always be her way. I am surprised anyone actually mated with her. Perhaps it was artificial insemination? I predict some messed up teenagers in her future.

        • I believe it was IVF – most likely donor egg and the husband’s sperm in how she got her twins.

          (I had a friend who was doing IVF around the same time and was very into the whole NG carrying twins story)

      • I feel sorry for Nancy children also, she is a nasty old woman, she is so opposite of what the justice system in this country is supposed to be. She is, you are guilty until I prove you innocent, she reminds me of the witch burnings, she fans hatred and fear and pumps people up to be as evil as she is. I try to watch her show sometimes just for info but I get so upset by her. She is sickening, I cannot tell you how happy I am to be able to vent that now

        • You summed up NG pretty well, kmea! lol She is awful; I actually used to watch her a little just for the laugh. We would turn off the tv and just watch her – she is a nasty piece of work. Just be glad she’s not your mom, child or neighbor! 😀

  219. What happened just before all of them going into chambers? Also, what is all of this about Juror 7?

    • Nicole,
      I’m still wondering the same. All I know something was mentioned that juror 7 acted offended by Nurmi’s question to Deanna. At this point, I would thing they would be numb or at least “not be” offended.

  220. I’ve got to say, I really like Nurmi.

    He is patient and combs through things, and isn’t the slightest bit mean.

    He is truly a gentle giant. 🙂

    • He does seem like a fairly gentle person, but I don’t think it worked well to ask so many sex questions today. I think Deanna looked too stunned and uncomfortable being asked those things. People do treat different relationships in different ways. Honestly, that doesn’t fall all on Travis, some falls on Jodi. Deanna was primarily a “good Mormon girl” while Jodi was more of a fun adventure. TA probably felt he could say things to someone he had anal sex with that he didn’t think he could say to someone who went to the Bishop after banging him 🙂

  221. I never though Juanito was gay before today. My gaydar is pretty good (for men, not for women, but that’s another story). But not for nothing, what straight man would put poor Deanna Reid on the stand to vouch for how Travis would treat a chick in a typical relationship of his after the jury saw Jodi day in and day out, Lisa Andrews, and even Mimi Hall? I have seen older pics of her, and she looked a lot better when she was younger, but the jury won’t know that. The jury will be left with the impression that Travis strung her along while she bought him expensive presents, played sleepover in his bedroom, all the while keeping her off the market for the window of opportunity she had to find a husband. Only a guy who had no sexual attraction toward women could fail to draw a distinction between how a dude would perceive Deanna versus Jodi.

    • Wow, joujou, good point. And the jury is mostly male. I have wondered a couple of times if JM is gay. No wife at his age. No one says anything about him ever being married — most say he’s never been married, married to the job. Rumours of a long-term relationship (which could be with a male). His lack of understanding of male sexuality and constantly bringing up breasts as if that’s all a man is interested in regarding porn.

      Jodi is gorgeous, Lisa is gorgeous, I didn’t get a good look at Mimi Hall (only stills), but she sure looked pretty. I think Deanna is gorgeous too, but she weighs a lot more than all three of them. And she bought him expensive gifts, as you said. Oh boy, not a good move.

        • OMG I don’t know what to say…she was one good looking woman….I can say that cause I could be her momma…. I wonder what happened to her….I hope she is happy….

            • Yes..I was going to say the same thing! He’s got that same smirky look.

              And she’s the one who is touching him…his hands are not holding her.

              She is gorgeous!

    • I have wondered this myself. He seems tuck on oral and anal sex. I would’ve have asked after the second objection…ok since the prosecutor wants to know so badly would you please tell us what kind of sex you had with Travis.

      • I think Nurmi wanted to rise above that, to be honest. The jury heard his objection and that he wanted the “type” of sex defined. But clearly, Deanna was uncomfortable talking about it. There was no point in embarrassing her any further. Nurmi just wanted to get his digs in that it was a different kind of relationship. He got that in twice. An objection was sustained once and the second time, it was stricken from the record, but the jurors heard it.

    • Valid point .. “juanito” lmao, if people have been open minded about people, you have made a strong observation and it’s right on .. also . . TA actually hated women.

  222. I didn’t get to see Jen and Jodi walk out chambers smiling. Maybe it was a good sign that Pickles is going to allow surrebuttal or perhap they are just happy to get this day behind them… Live to fight another day.
    Another point..I’ve seen video of TA running across a parking lot getting ready to do his E. Snell presentation and a video of him doing a chicken dance. In these 2 video he looks “chubby” much more flappy than the photos on June 4th. I can’t get by his cocky personality to say I think he is a good looking guy. He would turn me off immediately! But putting that aside…I can see him with Deanna and Mimmi. I can’t figure out what Jodi or Lisa found attractive about him. Someone posted earlier he was at the age where he would have to go into the Adult ward and wouldn’t have the opportunity to seek out young virgin girls. He only had a narrow window to find his Mormon virgin Gold Digger (Gold Digger,his own words).

    • In that E.Snell video of him running across a parking lot and posing over SOMEBODY ELSE’S hummer – well, did you notice he had a poster saying “PAID IN CASH”? What a deceptive thing to do – claim some random persons expensive vehicle as his, and all paid for in cash. And, they proudly showed this video on national tv no less.

      • haha I know I found that kind of strange myself. An I don’t know
        if they paid that girl that walked by him but she was not interested
        in him at all ! I found that funny too.

        I know everybody loves somebody but dang Jodi could have done
        so much better an not even be in this place it makes me sick.
        Seriously another Mormon man may have married her eventually.
        An Travis would have just lost out. If he strung on Deanna that
        long an she was a pretty young woman too. He would have
        strung on a few more till the last few minutes he had to marry I think.

  223. OH brother.

    Here we go with the “we’re human, we make mistakes.”

    No shit right? I get it already. We understand that.

    But that’s not the point. That was never the point. If Travis could not fulfill his duties and live up to the standards of an elder of his church, he should have stepped down. He was charged with authority and spiritual responsibility over others. He knew better, more than anyone, what he was allowed and not allowed to do.

    To sit and dismiss it like “oh well, we feel as humans we just sin” does not cut it for me.

    Either follow the religion, create a reformed denomination, leave, do SOMETHING than just make excuses.

    • The constant lying about being a virgin is what gets me. He seemed to have made such a big deal about it.

      • Right, and Travis having sex would not have been a big deal if he weren’t the elder of a church, and if his rabble of rabid followers weren’t pretending he was a virgin corrupted by an evil sorceress.’

        It’s such bullshit, it really is. Then they come along “well we make mistakes.” Right!!!

      • Well many bishops believe its better to die clean than to live inclean!! And they are VERY SERIOUS about their position on chastity law #39

    • It just shows me that these people were not as devout in their religion as they would have you believe.

    • He was disgusting. Sometimes I wish Jodi hadnt only forgotten what happened on June 4th but the whole Travis period.I wish he didnt exist in her mind right now at all.He didnt deserve her.She was too good for him.Period!

      • Seemed he talked about marriage to all of them so he could get what he wanted, then told them he wasn’t ready. Piffle!

        I loved the ”we’re human, we make mistakes”!!!!!

      • I agree. Like one of her friends said on HLN once, she had a tendency to lower her standards and date men who weren’t good for her or unhealthy. That’s not just in terms of looks, but attitude.

    • right on! I too am sick and tired of all the TA fans making excuses for his behavior, yet they are the first ones who want to burn Jodi at the stake for her behaviors. { and I’m not talking about the murder, but her behavior during their relationship}
      I see this as being a typical example of a male dominated religion, with the “boys will be boys” garbage, yet the woman is held to these ridiculous standards. The best example is that pos telling Chris Hughes he felt bad that he had “used” up Deanna, and now she’s wasn’t marriage worthy….wtf is that. Arrogant ass!
      Typical LDS brainwashing these young females and the males who think they are such a catch!

  224. When did court end. I was watching the HLN on DVR and fast forward inch through the numnuts. She took a ten minute recess when JVM came on and I couldn’t see them return.

  225. Okay, someone please update me. What is going on with the following:

    1) Sur rebuttal
    2) Juror #7
    3) And did I miss anything major today beside the employees who were testifying and Deanna?

    • 1. We still don’t know. Jenn and Jodi were smiling when they left chambers, so we’re hoping.

      2. There was a rumour on FB that perhaps the visit to chambers was about Juror #7, essentially based on someone thinking they saw Jodi mouth “seven” to Jenn before the recess.

      3. Michael Melendez (computer cop) retook the stand. He said nothing new other than “Travis had no porn that he found.”

      Essentially, today was a waste of time, other than perhaps whatever happened in chambers. JM spun his wheels with trivial bullshit about gas cans and receipts. The jury seemed to get that there was a possibility the Wal-Mart lady was wrong. Nurmi showed that Deanna and Travis had a totally different relationship than Lisa or Jodi — which might have actually showed how much worse Travis got as time went on, or that he treated Mormon-born women differently than his convert-catch.

      • I’m still waiting for the Perry Mason moment lol Today was another one of JM’S trips around the circus ring. I did feel badly for Deanna. But she did do very good responding to KN…THAT MAN HAS CLASS!!!!!!

      • Jodi mouthing “seven” could mean anything.

        “What time did you go to bed last night?” “Seven.”

        “How many years did Travis and Deanna date?” “Seven.”

        “How many objections did Juan make in the last minute?” “Seven.”

  226. I totally see that jou jou but didn’t know how to word it. To me it made TA look worse and more like a total chameleon that transformed himself to get what he wanted from women. With Jodi, it was mainly wild hot sex and he was the one who couldn’t let go. Deanna was probably his go to girl when nothing else was going on that his friends liked and easy to hang out with. I don’t mean this in a bad way but Jodi and Deanna are incomparable, like apples and oranges. And puleeze to the HLNites for insinuating jealousy by Jodi. I am sure it was awkward for her to see Deanna on the stand and to know she killed the only man that Deanna will probably ever love even though he didn’t deserve that love from either. Juan must be a flaming fairy. lol

      • Totally agree and if the jury can’t see that they are fools. Jodi wanted out because she couldn’t move on but he kept dragging her back and she was gullible, poor thing. It is as clear as the nose on your face.

        • I know you did in a way, but it has been said by the haters, especially by “reporter” Shanna Hogan and Dr. Pinsky, that it was JODI who was the chameleon.

          She wasn’t a chameleon at all. It was all Travis.

          • Unless, like “Dr” DeMarte, you consider maturation chameleon-type behavior:
            High School: Gypsy-like couch surfing with vampire overtones
            College Age: Dorm style and transient apartment living, philosophical experimentation
            Grad School Age: Purchase house with guy with kid, start thinking about marriage and family
            Post grad school age: Try to find husband who will be a good dad, get sucked in by narcissistic fuck because of conversion to restrictive religion and being taken in by Ponzi scheme

    • Jodi looked at her several times and they kept saying she wouldn’t look at her. Jerks. I fast forwarded through most of their bull but I did catch them going in and out,

  228. I don’t think the gas cans are a big deal. If she was hiding her intent why would she have said she returned it when she knows they could check. And filling the gas cans in Utah? Ummm…she wasn’t going to burn the body. She left it in the house. What the heck? None of that adds up to a hill of Brans. The gun is the only thing I still worry about.

    • I feel like the gas cans could be a big deal because a juror specifically asked jodi, “why should we believe you now?” And she stated her reasons. If the gas cans are true then that may show that she has lied yet again and to the jury this time so why should they believe anything she has said if she is continuing to lie.

      • We have to believe that most if not all of the jurors have their minds made up about this case. Some undoubtedly against Jodi, some for. The latest gas can testimony isn’t going to make a bit of difference in either sides eyes

    • I think the gas can will be a big deal. I’m trying to keep an open mind however I have to be honest at the same time. When this trial began JA was behind the 8 ball because of the killing and because of the many lies she told that were caught on tape

      With that being said why didn’t the defense challenge the Walmart employee??
      Now it looks like JA lied under oath and there was just one juror question that seemed to favor the state. This is not good but I’m trying to stay encouraged,

      • What is the problem with her returning the gas can or not, what is that supposed to prove? I am really behind on all of this and was wondering what the big deal about that is, can someone fill me in? thanks

    • You’re officially confusing me. I believe Deanna testified to oral and vaginal sex. No anal.

  230. I’ll say this – I WANT to like Deanna. I WANT to trust that she is telling the truth.

    But there is just something off about her. She doesn’t seem to be “the type” to get into hinky shenanigans, but I just can’t shake the feeling that there’s more to this than what we’ve seen in court.

    • She had a very tight line to walk, I feel. To confess she violated the vow of chastity to the world, her family, friends and church would be a very difficult spot to be in.

      Makes me think of Gus Searcy’s comment on how there are others who are too afraid to speak out.

      In what regard do you think theres’ more to this? Do you mean she knows more?

      • I totally understand what you’re saying. And I appreciate the position she’s been put in.

        I do think she knows more, but I can’t put my finger down on what’s bugging me about her. Usually when I get an off feeling about someone, I at least know why. This is one instance where I can’t.

        • I totally agree that something is off with D. I think she was telling the truth for the most part but I think she knew that TA did not go to the bishop if he had he would not had been able to participate in JA baptism. The list of things to do to be forgiven would have taken a long long time! But, at least one bishop knew & I bet he was being watched.

    • Sorry to say but Deanna looked very upset and jealous when she was being asked about Travis and all the sex stuff he did or mentioned to Jodi….maybe she was the jealous stalker!! Her facial expressions convinced me she was THE JELOUS ONE not Jodi!!

  231. Just tuned into the grace McNasty show because I missed part of the court.
    The things that are said are so stupid, such as NG saying “These are the things that the jury will never see”
    Yeah… like jury members don’t turn on hln when they get home.
    NG mentioned “crazy eyes” when in fact JA was crying during video.
    In reference to wicca….Wooooo the devil is coming. I understand that wicca is all that nature stuff and communion with spiritual things. idk.

    • Yes this is America in 2013, not the the days when they burned people at the stake Nancy, you are the worst person on TV, you incite people to riot and hate,you edit your show to appear just the way you want it to, you do not allow the side you disagree with to get a word in edgewise. Ugh, Nancy Grace is dispicable

      • My sister said when she first watched Nancy Grace, she thought it was a satirical comedy because it was so ridiculous. She thought it was put on by Saturday Night Live. She has stopped watching it. She refuses to waste her time on Nancy Grace.
        P. S. And this was way before the Jodi case. Years before.

  232. Bombshell News:: if your not a MORMON/LDS member an have any kind
    of charisma about you or a good Ora even YOU ARE SOULLESS an EVIL
    because you do not have the DEAD STARE an SPEAK in the same equal
    monotone. Which means you are a evil WHORE an need to be reprogrammed
    ASAP or done away with.

    That is the feeling I get when I hear these Travis friends or family speak out.
    It truly is sickening.

    Oh an ya don’t take a photo of yourself with your own camera an have the
    photo half lit by the flash an towards the mirror for a nice effect. But REALLY!!
    YES
    IT IS CREEPY TO THE LDS. Seriously?

    • OH, this is so true, when I moved to St George, I felt like I had two heads or something. I even started saying Oh my heck, instead of what the hell or I would have been ostrasized, I tried so hard to fit in with them, so that they would allow their children to play with my un mormon children and I put away my cross necklaces because that was not allowed, I hid my coffee drinking. I joined them all yelling Happy New Year on a saturday January 30th because the real New Year fell on a Sunday, I set up fireworks with my children on the 3rd of July that same year because the 4th landed on a Sunday, I called the Chilis Bar and Grill, Chilis Grill because they did not think the word Bar was appropriate. I cant even explain how I felt living there, ohhh, It was like the Stepford wives, most of the women at the time had those short blonde hair do’s that are long in front and short in the back, I put hi lights in my dark hair. I was shy, abused and wanted so much to fit in, I empathize with Jodi so much, I think she was just trying to hard to please and be pleasing to Travis so he would approve of her but he found his silent whipping post in Jodi and pushed and pushed until he had her fighting for her own life

  233. I just heard some reason why they didn’t play the audio in that tape, but didn’t understand why.

    Travis in that tape startes raising his voice and I believe that’s when Jodi raised up.
    They didn’t want the jury to hear him raise his voice.
    You can see he always wants the center of attention.
    She’s probably sick of his BS in public.
    Always the important one.
    I wish Jodi had never met him and became Mormon.

    • I heard because he was discussing having a gun at his head and that it could be found prejudice against jodi

      • Yes, that is why. The defense asked that it be muted due to what he was saying in the tape.

          • Ha ha, I use proxies but I”m not into shady stuff. 😀 They also can be used cover your ass so people don’t stalk you, to do business without being interfered with, etc. (I work online.)

            • How could you not know? It’s in a comment you made five minutes ago:

              “If I am not mistaken, way back when, (seems like forever) when the computer forensic witness was on the stand, he testified that he examined TA’s computer, including deleted files, proxy servers, pornography searches, etc. Then he said that Jodi’s computer had a damaged hard drive. He examined that computer as well. I am assuming nothing of any importance was on either computer, since neither the pros nor the defense had any issues with the testimony. I heard there is a rebuttal witness for the pros. that may testify, and he is a Det. in forensic computers, so no idea what he will have to say, I think his name is Brown? not sure of his first name.”

              • MB…..exactly why I asked! I wanted to know what I missed….did somebody already testify regarding a proxy server? I have watched the entire trial, but it is certainly possible that I missed a few things here or there…so I was asking someone for clarification regarding that issue. Do you have a link or anything to any testimony about it?

        • And they already finished with jury questions for him. I don’t think it is going to be addressed. Shocked.

  235. I hear JM is going to call Courtney Love to the stand as his star witness.

    Just
    Joking
    🙂

  236. I’m sure if we looked hard enough we could find a more horrifying photo of Nance other than the nipple one. Like maybe one of her biting the heads off live chickens or sacrificing a lamb at the alter.

  237. Did anyone notice when Deanna talked about Napoleon Jodi kinda smiled. I think she loved that dog.

  238. I’ve watched every bit of today’s testimony. I must have drifted off or something because apparently, missed it though. Per the haters, JM had several Perry Mason moments today. Did anyone else see them? I’m sooo sad about missing them.

    • The other thing the haters are saying is that Jodi was jealous to hear that Deanna ACTUALLY had sex with Travis, whereas, Jodi never did. I guess they’ve all accepted that he had sex now, but he still didn’t have any with Jodi … except the phone sex I guess, and somehow she forced him into that, especially when he told her how much he “liked” having sex with her.

      Man, I missed all of Juan’s big moments today. This is the day he made history too.

      • Serious? I guess somewhere there’s a different trial going on for anyone to conjure up those notions.

        I missed the big PM moments too. I felt it was quite a big yawner of a day.

        At the end of the day it’s getting tiresome being a voyeur into the very private lives of these young women.

      • Didn’t he say on the phone sex tape that the other girls he’d been with were just vanilla and Jodi was his ay caramba? Or am I confusing that with something else?

        • You know, I could have sworn I heard words to that effect on the sex tape too joujou. But apparently, I’m completely confused, and it must be contagious, because I seem to have infected your mind, as well.

          I used to think Travis was a virgin. I was convinced of it. But today, I learned that he wasn’t a virgin, but he did have sex with a good Mormon woman. He didn’t have sex with Jodi though. She put the camera on auto and took those photos of herself. She took the photos of Travis while he was sleeping. Or, maybe she forced him to pose for them while she held a gun to his head.

          Also, she darkened her already dark eyebrows today with a lead pencil during trial because she was jealous of Deanna wearing eyebrow pencil on her dark eyebrows.

          There’s definitely another State v. Jodi Arias trial existing in an alternate universe. Or, maybe, we’re in the alternate universe. Either way, I’m confused.

          Oh, and I forgot to fill you all in on the fact that this opinion: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache%3A-h44Sjj_i9MJ%3Ahttps%3A%2F%2Fbulk.resource.org%2Fcourts.gov%2Fc%2FF2%2F956%2F956.F2d.68.92-2142.html+dr+geffner+testified&cd=7&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

          nullifies Dr. Geffner’s ability to testify as a rebuttal witness because he lacked credibility.

          I learn soooo much when I go to hater sites for a good laugh.

          • We’ve been looking at this in entirely the wrong way. We are like Howard Cosell commenting on the Olympics, and these HLN people are WWF commentators discussing Vince McMahon’s latest exploits in the professional wrestling ring. In a sense, we are both engaging in an activity that is cognizably related to event to each of us is witnessing. In our case, we perceive this as a legitimate occurrence, without artifice, i.e., the trial is put on without a predetermined outcome, executed by individuals each making his best efforts to present his case in a dialectic forum to be determined by the jurors.

            There are others who perceive this differently. It seems that to them, the outcome is predetermined, that there is a script the rest of us ought to be following, and when we, the spectators “root” for the “wrong” side, or call foul when someone gets hit over the head with a metal chair, or something, or worse yet- suggest that the presumed victor might not win…particularly because he fails to follow the rules…we undermine the entertainment value of this for them.

            I don’t think they really care who has better trial practice skills, or what style works better with which witness, or whether a certain piece of evidence ought or ought not to have been admitted. A woman on twitter actually told me that I was wrong about my assessment of the merits of the prosecution’s case and the skill exhibited by Willmott because people on twitter don’t seem to like her. (Yes, guys, this WAS the “Forrest for the trees” woman) Then she called me ridiculous, said that I was wasting her time, and that it wasn’t worth arguing about.
            But I digress. The point is, that it IS two different trials. That is why we can’t communicate with them. One group of us hiked up an Alpine mountain and the other rode the Matterhorn at Disney Land, and we are trying to relate to each other as if we had the same experience.

            We will see whether, after the trial is over, which group has the more true perspective on the event. If they are wrong they will be angry and cause as many problems for Jodi as they can. If we are wrong, it will mean that the judicial process has devolved into a joke and a circus, and I will cause as many problems for the new system as I can.

            I will be an agent of change.

            • joujoubaby,

              And everyone else here. I am very new here. I have made some posts but can’t find them. I am so happy to have found this site. I found it through Jodi’s Twitter account. I am having such a difficult time with HLN and most people’s perception of this whole thing. This is truly a Witch Hunt against Jodi. I can’t find anything this Martinez can really prove. First, Travis’s dead body was in the house his roommates lived in for 5 days and no one had a clue that something was wrong!? They came and went with girlfriends, they slept there. Did everyone have separate bathrooms? Did they use separate kitchens? Travis’s body was so decomposed that no one will ever know what happened. I hope the jury clearly understands that. Martinez wants to murder someone on pointless evidence? Then the expert baby psychologist that diagnosis Borderline Personality Disorder when it is clearly PTSD. That comes from over 25 years of experience in the field that I have. Then HLN and social media is saying this witness was excellent. I am wondering what alien universe I fell in to. Plus, I don’t believe the jury isn’t hearing anything when they leave the court room and go home. It is clear in their questions that they are getting information on the outside. Those questions are just not coming from what is going on in court. And here is where I see a biased jury based on Martinez carefully planning a social media attack. The evidence is too circumstantial to warrant this type of response from the public. I believe the jury will vote based on social media and bullshit stories made up by Martinez. Anyway, this is my concern. I wish there is something we could do.

              I have a difficult time finding my posts. Feel free to also email me or have the moderator email me any responses. If I am aloud to leave my email, hopefully the moderator will let me know this.

              • Marianne, welcome. Hoping here that the jury will do the right thing. Some of us feel that at least one or two people on the jury are pro-defense. I love reading these posts because I’ve learned so much and it’s a safe place to express opinions about the trial. Post your question tomorrow on the new page about email again if you need to. (Sorry, don’t know how all that works.) You can see new comments and what page they fall on by scrolling down on the right side of the page. Clicking will take you right there.

      • They STILL think Jodi never had sex with Travis? Did they listen to that tape where he TALKS ABOUT IT?????

        God, they’re dumb.

  241. Maybe the ever-so-bright HLNites got confused and were actually watching Perry Mason on TV Land and couldn’t tell the difference.

      • I’ve just gotten to the point where I think that it’s funny/sad (haven’t decided which). But it is so far from serious commentary, that I take it with the same seriousness that I would WWF commentary. The only difference is that this is real life. That’s the sad part.

    • He’s gonna cry about missing JM’s Perry Mason moments. This might be the cause of Al sending his kids to college overseas, you know.

    • Kinda the same way, they said that the 8000+ emails were no big deal? I wish KN did not take JM at face value on the pictures after knowing what he did with the emails, and such. Whats up with the DT today?

    • Good question and why were they also deleted? I’m more confused after today then I’ve been this whole trial.

  244. Waitaminnit

    Was the laptop in the den the one that Travis was on trying to get pics off the CD Jodi gave him? Before he wanted naked pictures of him taken in the shower?

    • That must be the one.Why MB?Did you understand what was all this about?Im still confused as hell….

        • I am concerned about the juror question – the way the computer guy answered, it appears that Jodi only deleted the pictures of her and Travis that day. Looks really bad. Ugh!

          But then again, it makes no sense as to why she took the time to delete the pictures, and not simply take the camera with her. It shows she was not thinking rationally.

          Also, I like that KN did not query the walmart gas can witness. It is a subtle way to show that the testimony is insignificant.

  245. It seemed to me that Nurmi tried very hard not to get into specific details about Travis and Deanna’s personal life, but JM forced his hand by saying, “lack of foundation, what are we talking about, anal, vaginal ..” or whatever.

    I think Deanna really loved him. I think she misses him. She seemed upset, really sad. She didn’t seem to know the specifics of Travis and Jodi’s relationship. It really indicates that she has not been listening to HLN or following the trial.

    I think Deanna wants to remember him as he was. And I think that’s a good thing for her. She needs that.

    • Right, and unlike all of his PPL “friends” she has kept her silence in the media. In fact, it seems like every media whore who ever knew him was a sheePPL.*

      Except Dan Freeman, who seems to me totally out of place at a PPL convention, and has me shocked, saddened, appalled, and, frankly, confused.

      • That did not bother me at all. There are so many reasons he could have been there. and just because he was there, doesn’t mean anything, not really. Jodi was there too. He may have went because she asked him to or something.

        He has been off the radar this entire trial, except for his testimony. That is enough for me. 🙂

        • True, NK. And there is a big Mormon temple here in Oklahoma City, and there are pics I’ve seen of Travis & Jodi in front of it, taken by another person. Maybe it was Dan, and seeing that temple is on whatever high priority Mormon sights to see list for all of them.

      • “Right, and unlike all of his PPL “friends” she has kept her silence in the media. In fact, it seems like every media whore who ever knew him was a sheePPL.*”

        Actually, being on camera is the perfect opportunity for them to pick up “leads”! 😆

      • Deanna stayed off the media radar. Good for her! I hope she carries on. It has to be a struggle and I feel for her.

  246. Maybe the defense should have look up some these soulless Mormons, Danny Jones, Mario and Victor?

  247. I don’t feel the gas cans are a.big deal. If this was premeditated there would not be any gas cans …she

    would have throw them away, and there would not be any receipts. Too, if this trip was premeditated she

    wouldn’t have paid with her credit cards.

    • Absolutely agree! It makes no sense. But why did Did she say she returned the can if she didn’t? And if she did where is the proof? I know they don’t need to show anything like Cates said but if you had the receipt don’t you think you would show it?

      • I don’t understand why she would say that she returned the gas cans, either. She is a smart girl ..so, I

        don’t think she lied about the return. I think that it is great for the defense, that she filled the gas cans

        up in Utah.

        • Who cares if she returned a gas can? What is the big deal about the return of a gas can, I am missing something I guess, I think the defense didnt even go there after Juans questions because it is not a big deal so they made light of it by ignoring it?

        • Would a regular credit card show a return on the statement? i haven’t ever returned anything. LOL

          • I assume it will show on the statement. I had that before and it showed on my credit card statement.

          • Yes, at least now-a-days, a refund shows up on my bank statement.
            Or credit card statement.

            Martinez lost his premeditated charge a long time ago.
            In fact, he never had anything to prove his premeditated charge, since nothing about this as premeditated. At this point Martinez is just an act in this circus.

            Forever Team Jodi.

          • JC,

            My kids call me ” the return queen” ! Yes, it would show up on your bank statement or credit card….. Unless she returned it without a receipt and got a store credit.

            • I didnt hear that part seek2.
              No wonder they arent referring to her bank statements or credit card statements.
              Makes sense now!

  250. comment from youtube, does anybody know about this:

    susan jennings 50 minutes ago
    well Walmart lady said the gas can was resold a week and half later but no refund was given must have been a refund if same gas can was resold

    • She was misunderstanding the testimony. The Skew lady said there was no activity for that item until another one was sold about a week and a half later. If that’s what the jury thinks though, then good.

    • Yep, and we know they would not take back a USED gas can smelling like GAS.:) Hope the jury caught that today. I missed the ending do to a meeting.

    • Deanna used to take care of the dog when travis was away. Her and napolean were really close from what Ive read.

      • Maybe it’s just me, but I would want my siblings dog or cat if something happened to them. I’ve thought this was odd when I’ve heard this on the past.

        And it is more troublesome that they sit in the court room sniveling daily and they weren’t close at that time in his life to take his dog but today they are close enough to grab any dollar donated their way.

      • It depends on how close you are to the person, and mostly, how much you care and know about the animal.Many times, people ask a specific person. My sister passed away in 2009, and I have her cat. She had an upstairs neighbor who loved him, and spent alot of time, but my sister had asked me already, if anything ever happened to her, would I take him. Of course I said yes, never imaging it would ever happen.

    • They didn’t even have contact with TA for at least four years from what Det Flores reports.

  252. Michael Kiefer ‏@michaelbkiefer 4m

    There will be oral argument tomorrow at 11 regarding some rebuttal experts.

  253. Did they get the sur reb? Is that why they were smiling? I am thinking the reason Nurmi didnt talk about the proxi server is because their sur reb witness is a computer expert, and they are saving this….

        • Apparently, they asked for all the rest of the state’s rebuttal witnesses to be precluded … or at least, that’s the rumour on the hater sites. Hmmm Who was left? Officer Brown (another computer guy), PPL Cancun person, and Dave Hall???

          • Found it:

            @maryellenabc15 2m
            #jodiarias defense team’s motion 2 stop #JuanMartinez from calling 5 witnesses also includes Suzie Dittman, Robert Brown and Dr. Kevin Horne

            Suzie must be the Cancun PPL lady?

    • Renee,

      Have you noticed that since the drama went down with TA criminal record and it being cleared up being the brother, that he hasn’t been back in court with the family. Find that odd………… Makes you wonder. Have you checked the CA court records lately to see if he’s been charged?

  254. Hello everyone,
    I’m new here, but have been reading your insightful and intelligent posts for awhile now. So glad to find there are at least some of us that have open minds and hearts left concerning this trial and Jodi.

    I was initially convinced that this was a done deal as to Jodi’s guilt, but after listening to her testimony with no bias I soon realized this girl was indeed abused and I did not just base that on her words.

    I recently watched Jose Biaz (sp?) re-inacting the scene and how the blood evidence left at the scene shows how is had to play out….just based on the physical evidence. Wow, he is impressive …what a shame he cannot participate in this trial as counsel, but I am very happy with both lawyers Jodi has, they are doing a terrific job in my opinion.

    I do not see how a jury of fair minded folks could possibly convict Jodi of 1st degree…….she shot him that’s for sure, but the rest is up for grabs. I have my own theory that at least 1 and possibly 2 others were involved, most likely the roomates. I have it all worked out in my mind as to how that is a plausible scenario, but even bringing that idea into play here in this trial would surely muddy it up so much that everyone would just say Jodi is trying to blame someone else for what she is responsible for.

    Jodi shot Travis in self defense….that much I am sure of….the rest could have played out in many different ways in my mind.

  255. I just relistened to the end of the direct examination of the Walmart employee regarding the return. I heard her say that she researched the item and didn’t even find a SALE ,of that item until a week later. Does this mean that the sale of the item to Jodi somehow did not register in their system? If yes, then this may have a bearing on records of the return.

    Thoughts please :)! (At about the 13:00 minute mark)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOQKaWOJ5QY

  256. Here is what I hope. That the defense didn’t question the walmart lady because in their closing statement they will mention that it is listed as a Kerosene and not a gas can.

    • You may be onto to something annieEP.
      Maybe they are just as sick of gas cans and Wal-Mart as we are? 🙂

    • Juan already knows its a Keosense can, it’s been all over the state page and his FB page, and his Twitter fans…………Also, he didn’t call it a GAS CAN today, just a 5 gallon item / can if I recall correctly. hmmm

      • No, one time he called it a 5 gallon item and another time he calls it a gas can.
        I’m going to have to find the time on the video or it will drive me crazy.

        Of course he knows, but he’s trying to confuse the jury and turn this into something its not.
        Thats why I dont think he called it a gas can at first, maybe when he did say gas can it was a slip?
        With Martinez, something always smells fishy to me.

        • Yep, he loves to twist and turn things with the jury. I am going to have to watch it again , either later tonight, or in the morning.

          He’s good with the …………… Freudian slip

            • You’re right, M

              Martinez calls it a “5 gallon gas can” @ 32:12 on the Youtube video. He obviously knows he blew it because @ about 32:45 he refers to it as “a 5 gallon item” and shortly after that he refers to it simply as “the item.” Busted.

              • Doesn’t matter. If the defense didn’t bring up the issue with the name or call it a kerosene can they can’t say anything like that in closing. They can’t say there was an error made in the search. It has to be in evidence.

    • The gas can evidence does nothing to PROVE premeditation… it leaves a ton of room for reasonable doubt. The Walmart worker made the comment today about there always being the possibility of ‘human error’. Remember, this is Walmart where workers are not paid top dollar because of their attention to detail.

      Have you ever been to a checkout line where the barcode of an item wasn’t readable by the scanner for whatever reason… so the clerk has to enter the number manually? That’s where human error can occur.

      The same scenario can happen on returns. For the sake of a reasonable doubt argument, let’s say Jodi returned the gas can and the 16 year old walmart worker can’t get a valid scan so he enters the numbers as well as he can read them. For all we know, he entered the number for an econo-size jar of mayonnaise and refunded her that amount.

      I’m sorry, but there is no way I could condemn someone to their death because they may or may not had 3 or 4 or 20 gas cans.

      • I agree with you the gas cans are NOTHING. 25.42 gallons of gas, 12.5 to 14.0 capacity in tank, you take out overflow, spillage, not a thing to worry about.

      • I agree Anthony especially when she filled the gas cans to go back home as well as when she left California. It proves nothing other than she wanted to travel as safely as possible.

  257. When Nurmi was asking all those questions to Deanna, her blinking increased when he was asking if Travis ever called her names or about the 12 year old girl thing.

    • According to the Journal of Non-Verbal Behavior and reported by The Telegraph:

      “Liars blink less frequently than normal during the lie, and then speed up to around eight times faster than usual afterwards.”

      And according to Body Language for Dummies:

      “”Under normal conditions, the blinking rate is between six and eight blinks per minute. This can increase by four or five times when you’re feeling pressure….Sometimes a high blinking rate doesn’t mean anything other than that a person is under pressure, [but] when people lie, their energy increases, and when concocting an answer to a difficult question their thinking process speeds up.”

  258. Well, I took some time to think about it, I think that the j mefford? testimony was one piece of chit. He was definately a hostile witness. He was arrogent, R_U_D_E, and basically a pos. I think he would lie to the like a DWAG. I did not believe one D**N word he said. I wished Nurmi would have just ripped his azz. I really did try to clean it up, but he simply pissed me off.

    • And just under his left eye you see twitching going on…and I had wondered if he was nervous…but then after I heard him talk…he didn’t sound nervous…so then I decided that he was lying when the twitching was going on …

      • I actually liked his testimony because he said they were affectionate as a couple in October…. they had split up in June, therefore adding to Jodi’s testimony that even though they were no longer a couple, they were still a couple. More pertinent questions would have been things like “Were the Hughes there in October when TA was being affectionate?”

  259. Imo, His testimony reaked of the influence of the Hughes. He would have been better to stay home and not embarass himself. I am sure the jury saw his arrogance, just like they have seen the rest of the testimony. I really think this is a NO bullchit jury. I think they are paying attention to everything. I think they did not like alot of JM antics, which creates mistrust. The Hughes and this joker need to learn this prase,” LIAR’S DON’T FIGURE AND FIGURES DON’T LIE!

  260. I just tried to do the gravitar thing…..I’m not sure if it worked. I managed to download a picture, but don’t think I linked it to here….:(

  261. If? You sat and just thought about this whole case, Premeditated is a crock. If Jodi wanted to premeditate this trip, she would have not made ANY bank deposit. She would have simply just ran on cash. Think about it. She was not hiding anything. She allowed TA to guilt her again. He was like a viper sucking her back in, and she had a weak moment and went. Much to her detriment. She is luck to be alive. You go Jodi, Your team is still together.

    • Yes I agree she felt sorry for him because Mimi had just told him that she wanted
      to be ‘just friends” on that business trip to Cancun. So he had lost Lisa an then Mimi
      an I am sure he was laying it all on Jodi too. He knew he still could guilt her as she
      said. I wish she listened to her instincts better that day.

      • I agree with both of you. Jodi had a new romantic prospect with Ryan, and she was very excited about possibly getting one of her drawings/paintings in a gallery in SL City with his help

  262. Yes, however, in our family very large a lot of teens, young married, and they are trying to get their independence, We try to prevent them from making mistakes, and they do anyway, so what? We show them how to pick up the pieces and correct it. Jodi, Make a mistake, it was TRAVIS. Her heart is to soft, back to the abuse again, always thinking they will change or grow out of it. Travis did not. He was all about him and he did not care who got in his way. He was hellbent. oops, that pretty much said it.

  263. It makes me sick, ta family had not seen each other for FOUR years! They did not even take the time to go see his new house. The haters website is raising money for them, they show T_E_A_R_S, then Clancy and the Hughes are raising money for them, when they get short of money they show more T_E_A_R_S. The long and short of it, is the only tears the Alexander’s have are for themselves and their bank accounts. Somebody needed to say it and I DID!. Of course, this is all JUST my opinion. lol

    • Yes I agree with all that. An when Jodi has art up to help her family out on expenses
      all you see is hatred from the Travis Supporters. Really this lady in a hat they are
      saying is Tanisha! no way it looks nothing like that sour puss. SO the slanders are
      trying to say it is Jodi trying to make the family mad by drawing a picture that looks
      like Tanisha. Oh me! it could be any woman for that matter but the mouth is not all
      twisted up in a sour puss so I say it is not Tanisha.

  264. I think Deanna’s testimony was very honest and unbiased. As to if TA actually talked with the bishop about his sins of premaritall sex, I think Deanna believes he did, but I am not convinced.

      • i am not convinced that she is even telling the truth about anything. I may be wrong but Travis appeared to love the extravagant things in life. At the age of 21 he was struggling still and trying to come up. Deanna Reed said that she bought him a laptop… hello… Can we all say Travis was just getting where the $$$ was good? How did this, sorry to say, fat slob end up in bed with him? I doubt he would wreck his standing in the church for a few pumps in a dump. There is either way more to this story or there is just her lying on the stand.

        • I will say though she may have looked different 10 years ago, but I dont believe that she was anything other then a use for income. Men have sex with women for money and I dont think he was beyond that.

        • Chrysz,
          With all due respect, thats really tacky and insensitive to say about a woman. “Fat slob”…”a few pumps in the dump”?? Really? I don’t know why you say that, or why you believe she was lying, she was in fact, with TA for more than a few years. She wasn’t loaded, she was a teacher, and buying him a computer for Christmas isn’t abnormal for a gift. I don’t know of you have seen any pics of TA and Deanna back when they were dating, but she was a very pretty woman, and still is, although she has gained weight. But to call her a “fat slob” is a really disrespectful remark to make to a woman you don’t even know IMHO.

          • You should see twitter it is full of nasty remarks about Deanna. But then the ones
            about Jodi are way worse every day every hour an frankly I am sick of it.

            Just saying this side here is a lot more tame then the Travis Supporters are
            they slander everyone daily hourly on the internet that is on this site or puts
            in their 2 cents anywhere it is really horrible.

          • I agree. And if we’re being honest, Travis wasn’t exactly Adonis. Why is Deanna taking heat for her looks, but no one says “Why did she sleep with HIM?”

    • I think she is a very good woman, she just got suckered like the other 12 or 13 women, i don’t know what the count is up today, I know i didn’t count the linda? they talked about today.

    • You hold your head high, worried about your tag “cant take it anymore” You are a strong person, get positive everyday. God loves you.

  265. Ok that Stark Raving Mad woman called Chris Stark on Twitter is now slandering this site. I can’t stand that person she is always doing something evil an probably behind most all the slander we see out there. She is online 24/7 she must be getting paid by Twitter to be on so much…………..newest bull crap

  266. There was an interview of an ex-cult member (didn’t say which cult) guy on CNN OutFront. He was interviewed in reference to the brothers Tsarnaev who became devout fundamentalists and to Tamerlane’s wife who dropped out of college when she met him and converted to Islam.
    He said that being brought into a cult can happen very fast, within a few weeks, to very intelligent people as well. He said, it usually happens when someone falls in love, is manipulated by that person, worked on by instilling phobias sometimes within a couple of weeks, converted and isolated into a new group, will drop family, friends, school, prior life fairly rapidly. Family and friends notice the change and are alarmed but there is nothing they can do about it.
    He thinks the wife and younger brother were brainwashed by the older brother mainly, but does not believe that the older brother Tamerlane was brought into the cult solely over the internet, must have been handled by someone personally.
    In fact, the uncle of the two brothers said that Tamerlane had a very close religious male friend when he first started getting very devout, and he thought that his nephew was being influenced by that guy.

    Another eerie thing that surfaced is that the older brother was connected to a woman who a couple of years ago was murdered with two other men. All three had their THROAT CUT EAR TO EAR. Case not solved, assumed to be drug related, because marijuana was found sprinkled on the bodies. One of the murdered guy was a martial arts guy yet he got his throat cut just the same. Tamerlane was last person to contact the woman, but was never questioned, shortly thereafter went to Russia.

    • Also, when talking about lost or unformed memories when being shocked:

      The person who found the young wounded brother in his boat is Henneberry. He CANNOT REMEMBER details of what happened after he saw him in his boat :
      (CNN)
      “Henneberry said Tuesday that he doesn’t even remember climbing down the ladder and running to the phone to dial 911, delivering the tip that would lead to Tsarnaev’s capture.
      “I didn’t waste any time. I didn’t ask him if he wanted a cup of coffee. I was off that ladder. That is all I remember,” he told the affiliate.”

  267. Just one of the nasty posts on FB. I posted something in regard of who looks better Jodi or Diana, but I am sure they will boot me out.

    Charles Tucker …My evil twin hopes she gets off because he will be standing there when she walks out the door and no power on earth will prevent him from gutting her on the spot and he will get off on a REAL PTSD defense after suffering such a gross miscarriage of justice.

    • Big talker huh? they said the same thing about Casey an they did not do it.

      But then the Mormon’s/LDS I am not so sure about that group in Mesa Arizona
      now they think they are on a higher ground then everyone else for some reason.
      They slander an carry on with threats an it really is out of hand I think. I could
      understand really if Travis was a man with morals an a upstanding individual but
      it has been proven he was not. He lead a False Life an followed False Prophets.
      He was a abuser an user of many women. An possibly a pedophile which should
      disgusts people but they believe it is all false. They are out of touch with reality
      I think.

  268. Regarding the you tube videos viewed on Travis computer at 4am on June 4, 2008:

    From 4:08 am to 4:24 am on June 4, 2008 youtube videos look LIKE HARDCORE PORN MADE ON THE MUSIC OF Daft Punk:

    (DRUNK)Daft Punk – Harder Bodies Faster …
    Apr 1, 2008 … Daft Punk – Harder Bodies Faster Stronger(DRUNK). Watch … 2006 Summer In
    Ibiza : 3 Girls Drunk So Much … Hard Kaur Drunk Hardcore …

    (picture of women’s bodies with heads cut off)

    Daft Punk – Harder Better Faster Stronger (Electromatic … – NME.com
    Daft Punk Song: Harder Better Faster
    Stronger (Electromatic Remix) … The first half is House and the second half is
    Happy Hardcore! … NME Video: We Are Scientists at the NME Awards 2008 –
    Part 1 …

    etc.

    • SJ please remove the links above, keep text. I didn’t notice the links were included. Thank you.

  269. oh my, if you go to the Devil’s FB page, he just posted that he’s highly offended by all these people who keep comparing him to NG. He says, he at least has some integrity.

    True story.

  270. Hi SJ, I need to appologize regarding a comment I made last week about the Tot Doc speaking to Nancy Grace on the phone while still being a sworn witness and I asked you if that was breaking the rules. Well, I was given misinformation – It was Lenore Walker not Tot Doc…..I am sooooooooo sorry!!!

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