Trial Day 33 – March 19th, 2013 [REPLAY]

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Today’s 2013 replay rolls on with the continuation of Dr Richard Samuels’ cross & redirect.

Click here to read my original Trial Day 33 post. (700 comments)

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Trial Day 33 – March 19th, 2013:

Part 1/3:

Dr Richard Samuels – cross continues

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Part 2/3:

Dr Richard Samuels – cross concludes / redirect starts

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Part 3/3:

Dr Richard Samuels – redirect continues

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  1. Has anyone taken notice of the Marisa Devault (pronounced De-vwa) case currently happening in Maricopa County? It has many issues similar to Jodi’s, such as domestic violence, PTSD, self-defense. If you see photos of Marisa in court she even looks somewhat like Jodi, so much so that the judge said of potential jurors, “Jodi Arias fanatics need not apply.” (I guess that applies to us too.) I know the so-called ‘news’ networks are already going after Marisa. I watched a clip on ABC15 that described Marisa crying in court as “antics” similar to Jodi’s. I think Dr. Drew has already jumped on the bandwagon but since I can’t stomach the man, I haven’t seen exactly what he’s up to.

    • Her case is being talked on FB groups. I haven’t been able to get ”acquainted” with her case though. I am currently reading and watching videos about the Darlie Routier case.

  2. Another double standard in Jodi’s case: If a man goes off to war and kills a bunch of strangers he spent time training to kill and then comes home and commits violence, people find it easy to believe he could be suffering from PTSD. But if a woman kills someone she loves, they find it hard to believe she might also be suffering from PTSD. Killing strangers is apparently traumatic, but killing someone you love, not so much. (Just more bizarre and backward reasoning.)

    • A woman’s will to survive can be equal to any man’s, even if most women are not trained fighters and might be outmatched in size and muscle mass in a fight with a man.

      Sometimes a woman does defend herself against a physical attack by a man and survives through sheer quickness and agility. or her survival could be mainly attributed to an accident, as in Jodi’s case. The disconnect begins with the presumption that men will forever and under all circumstances be stronger and quicker than women. And from there, the belief persists that if they are not stronger, well, then they should be quicker than women, and after that, perhaps not stronger and quicker, but more coordinated. Of course, the “stronger, quicker, better” fallacy does not hold up in many cases. There is the classic stereotype of the small but quick boy who wins all the fist fights in the neighborhood because he is quicker than most and out to prove something. That is an example of a person who is very strong-willed. He wants to make it to adulthood without getting his head bashed in by a hulking thug. Or a girl is bullied repeatedly until she finally gets physical, and only then do the other girls leave her alone, because they realize she has very fast reflexes.

      But when a woman survives in hand-to-hand combat with a man, even if it is accidental, or due only to a moment of superior quickness or agility, it is easier for some to believe that the attack must have been premeditated than to imagine that the man was overpowered. It’s the only way it can make sense to some people, because, frankly, they don’t really appreciate or understand much about women.

    • Dr Samuels tried to make the jurors (and the world) understand this concept of trauma due to being forced to commit a violent act against another human being. Just as he tried his best to explain how the hippocampus works in a state of acute stress.Too bad they failed to take it all in and ended up believing in the simplified HLNistic version of what transpired that fateful day…

      • Dr. S did an excellent job explaining the neurology of trauma. He was painted into a corner, unfortunately, at the conclusion of his testimony when he answered repeated questions from JM with respect to whether or not “the perpetrator” could experience PTSD, memory loss, etc. Naturally, expert witnesses are prohibited from making statements that amount to an opinion of whether or not the defendant is guilty as charged. But Dr. S was more or less wrangled into repeatedly referring to JA as “the perpetrator” at that point, without qualification.

        To the jurors, it could easily have sounded as if Dr. S also understood her to be the instigator, since he was not in a position to qualify his response or to give an opinion that she was “forced” into being the perpetrator. Could he have used the word “survivor’ in his response to JM’s questions (e.g.: “even if she were the survivor”, or “even if she survived the fight”)? I don’t know.

        This was a low, precarious moment in the trial for Jodi. I wish there could have been a way for Dr. S’s last responses to have come across as less prejudicial, but this was the net result of JM narrowing the terms, and hence, abrogate the argument that Jodi’s attempt to cover up the killing was rooted in the trauma of being attacked in the first place.

        As we know, Jodi would have had PTSD whether TA survived or not; she could have developed amnesia even if they had both emerged from the fight relatively healthy, given the body slam and the shock of gunfire during the “take down”.


        • I have PTSD ,from head on car crash. My memory has definitely been affected.
          Moments aren’t completely clear. I know I was knocked out. Idk how long. With air bag ,I still had bumps on my head. I couldn’t remember the hit of the other car. No sound. Just waking up. I was told I was told I had a level 2, concussion.
          I have organizational problems. I put things away ,then forget where. It’s hard to admit to others, I have forgotten their names. :-0. I also, understand why Jodi believes her memory is fine.
          I remember my past very well. I have trouble getting the words out,I get ” scrambled.” Easily startled. Loud noises make me leave. I can’t stand crowded places. It’s very hard to live with me. (So I hear )
          I have mood swings, and migraines. I have been getting better by reading, and writing more. I have to take breaks after reading.
          Before I was diagnosed with PTSD. I used to write often. This case has given me the passion to start writing again.
          I just wanted to give a little insight into how complex PTSD is. Yes, I am a Survivor! <3 <3
          ((((Team JODI)))

          • Mad – I don’t doubt or dispute your PTSD diagnosis, but many of your symptoms are/can also be attributed to traumatic brain injury from the concussion…. no memory of the accident, organizational problems, difficulty getting words out, scrambled feeling – even the reading in small doses – that’s all TBI stuff.

            • Yes Journee, I have been diagnosed with a TBI also. Frontal lobe damage.
              I forgot to mention that! I agree ,I think Jodi was definitely hurt. (Hit on head)

          • Mind you, many of us also suspect that Jodi might have had a fairly serious head injury from being slammed down to the tile twice – so she could have those same ongoing symptoms.

            • I am surprised they didn’t go into PTSD systems. I took a bunch of tests too. Although a person has been labeled with a TBI or PTSD doesn’t mean people understand what that person maybe going through.
              I think the PTSD blocks out the trauma , ( self protection) The results being, the startling reactions to loud noises. Flashbacks, not clear memories,just like pieces of moments you remember. For me ,I remember the sun beam going across the cars bumper right bf he hit me. Then hearing my boys mom ..
              Then bits and pieces of ambulance ride. The TBI is definitely a result of my on going issues. I forget birthday’s , things that people have said to me.
              Tire easily,after reading too much. Journee is right, I wish Jodi would have gotten medical care. I wish this was explored and talked about more at the trial. Although I think Jennifer W. did try to explain what happens over time. Brain gets even more forgetful.
              Jodi has a very good IQ. I really don’t know how she got through 18 days. I would have been so confused. I would have been angry. ( mood swings) I did see her memory issues though. Especially when asked about June 4th, even days after were not clear to her.
              When she said ,I DO not remember. JM should have been made to stop.
              “I didn’t ask you if you if you remember” -JM
              “Do you have a memory problem ma’am?” JM
              Really was unfair to have been badgering her. If she doesn’t know bc she clearly didn’t remember.
              What was she supposed to say?? I wanted to jump into the TV !! I felt so bad for her.
              This is were her lawyers should have objected to every single question.
              Stephens ,was no help … ugggg…. I hope that this next time around the experts regarding head injuries (TBI’s) and PTSD put more information about the symptoms. Not so much how they occurred.
              Doing the best I can ,and I give Jodi “props” she tried so hard to stay strong!!
              She can’t give them answers to questions, she can not remember. Believe me, it’s so frustrating. (((((( JODI)))))))

              • Sorry to hear of your injury, Mad. But I’m glad you’re doing okay and getting better!

                The exaggerated startle response is also a way for the body to protect a person by alerting them to any further imminent danger or injury. The body is saying, “not again!” through a reflexive response. (Neuronal injury is medically acknowledged in cases of major depressive disorder and PTSD.)

                Jodi was visibly startled by the sound of Nurmi dropping his pen on the podium near the microphone when she was on the stand. He made reference to that a few days later by folding the incident into a question to her about something somewhat related.

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