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Following on from Jade’s last post… and the fact that numerous people were in & out of TA’s house between June 4th thru June 9th… all seemingly oblivious to the decomposition stench… today’s post features several photographs from inside the house, taken after CSI had left. This should give you a good idea of the layout in relation to the master bedroom, the air vents, the bathroom, the staircase & the areas where the roommates lived.

Pic #1 – The main staircase:

The doors to the master bedroom are at the very top of the stairs, which everyone would have passed while going to and from their rooms. Also note the air conditioner vent directly above the bedroom doors.

p1 travis alexander decomp stench

Pic #2 – The roommates area:

Looking left from where the above photograph was taken is where the roommates lived. The top left of that picture (above the door frame) also appears to show another air conditioner vent.

p2 travis alexander decomp stench

Pic #3 – The master bedroom doorway:

This is the double-door entrance to the master bedroom at the top of the stairs (as in Pic #1). For reference purposes in the next pictures, note to the right of the door where the carpet has been removed.

p3 travis alexander decomp stench

Pic #4 – The Master bedroom closet/hallway view:

Taken from the far end of the bedroom, this is the view looking back at the main bedroom doors, one of the closet doors, and the hallway leading down to the bathroom.

p4 travis alexander decomp stench

Pic #5 – The view from the  bathroom:

Taken from the bathroom, this is the view looking back down the hallway. Cupboard door to the left… closet door to the right… the piece of wall removed far left of the hallway… and the piece of carpet removed (as in Pics #3 & #4).

p5 travis alexander decomp stench

Pic #6 – The shower:

Moving to the right from Pic #5 above, this picture includes the 2nd closet door and the shower.

p6 travis alexander decomp stench

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Finally, this is a segment from the now infamous Flores Report, highlighting the decomposition stench that was encountered upon entering the house – which strangely enough, nobody else noticed up to that point in time…

(Click the image for a close up view in a new window)

Flores Report text

The yellow highlighted text reads: “There was a strong odor associated with a decomposing body all over the home. This odor was evident as soon as we entered the front door.”

Going on the above pics… the location of the master bedroom… the stairway… the air conditioner vents… and how the roommates & friends were in & out of the house countless times that same week — the the fact that nobody noticed any decomposition stench certainly raises a load more questions.

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417 Comments

    • I have always maintained that a 5 day dead corpse would have decomposed much further than Travis. After 5 days the smell would have been overpowering, even in an air conditioned house, and there was no insect activity (maggots) that body should have been covered with them. Just my two cents.

      Ray in H-burg Va.

      • I understand what you all saying because I feel there was MORE people involved, but jodi said it was her!! So I don’t understand!!

      • TRUE TRUE TRUE why wasnt this brought up in trial? No maggots? Thats just plain strange. And a 5 day old corpse would smell so bad,you would choke.
        The photos show alot of suspect shadows and images in the backround. My software came up with images that would make your hair stand up on edge!!
        Do you really think JA is that unlucky and dumb to have been starring in a photo shoot after a HORROR FILM STYLE MURDER?
        One roomate was at his GFs housitting for a week and the other worked massive schedule.
        They thought he went to cancun and the above story is what they claimed.

        Has anyone considered that maybe the satanic ex had a hand in this and she isnt giving him up cause he swore to kill her family if she betrayed him?
        The killing looked more like a sacrifice than a murder.

        WHen JA says, I remember when the knife went into travis neck….. Theres no I,when I,As I,After I,When I,or any self identifying admission. Thats not NORMAL.Considering all the facts and admissions up to that point.

        .

    • Dwight, nothing adds up: How did Zach do his laundry when in fact the bloody clothes, the camera and I don’t know what else were found IN THE WASHING MACHINE…

      • Zack’s changing story about laundry has never bothered me. Some people have regular laundry days, some people don’t.

        My mother, for all of her life, always did laundry on Fridays, so she of course could always answer the question ‘when did you last do laundry?’

        Me, not so much. If you held a gun to my head right now and asked me when I last did a load of laundry, my best answer would be ‘um, sometime in the last three or four days’.

        • But Journee,
          They change their story all of the time.

          Who did laundry after that day and who removed the clothes and camera?
          Damn those roommates sure were dense.

          They got off real easy, just by acting stupid?
          They’re living coming and going at the crime scene and weren’t suspicious at all?
          All I get is that they told Jodi (Flores ) that everyone was pointing their finger at Jodi, so that
          was all there was to it.

          What shitty CRIME investigation.
          As far as I see there wasn’t any and that was where hes found.

          Where are they now?

          • Oh, they definitely got off too easy. No argument from me on that. There’s no way in hell they shared a house with a dead body for five days and noticed NOTHING. uhuh

            And Enrique hiding in his room, with all the ruckus and guys screaming and girls crying when they found the body. STAYING in his room until Zack came to tell them the 911 operator said they had to leave the house?
            way too fishy too

            I’m just saying the LAUNDRY thing – even the changing the stories of when – is not suspicious to me. Because if you don’t have a set schedule of when you do certain household tasks, what you have is a haphazard approach of doing something when it needs to be done. And it’s not something you typically commit to memory.

            • 5 days in a house with a dead body rotting, with an unattended dog who obviously needs walking/feeding etc, personal items on a counter and a mobile phone who even if on silent mode would still be heard vibrating….. Yet, they never suspected anything? NO WAY! I always liked entertaining the idea that they discovered Travis’ body earlier, in fact that’s how the bloody boot print was left behind. And from that point onward they went into “Fuck, man! We’re doomed!” mode and just waited for someone else to report Travis missing for fear of their being accused of having something to do with his murder. Which could also explain how they were able to not puke at the stench; they just didn’t spend time in that house.
              (sigh) Don;’t know, to be honest. Just wild speculation….
              They are either stupid or have no noses. 🙄

            • Zach and the laundry thing: So before the police got there & secured the scene, Zach is saying he put bloody sheets & bedding in the washer and ran the load? Who would not notice all that blood? But if the camera was in the washer when found, then somebody ran a load of bloody bedding.

              But doesn’t everybody already know that you can’t really wash blood out of decorator fabric?
              Is Jodi supposed to be the one who turned the washer on. Did the cops find the machine full of washed, but still wet, bedding?

              If these guys were desperate to wash their own clothes by now, wouldn’t they have to pull the bedding out of the machine first? How is it possible to have mounds of bedding that is bloody and not see that as the moment to call 911?

              I heard that Deana was the designee to care for Napoleon whenever TA was gone. So just where was Deana, and where was Nappy? When did Deana find out that Nappy’s owner would never look after him again? Seems like Deana would have made a few trips in and out of that place to keep Nappy supplied. If she went to the house physically to check on the dog, it seems like she would have been the very first to realize that something in that house was not right. All the moved furniture and free standing floor cleaners. TA’s bedroom was locked, but was the bath locked, too?

              At some point, she must have been contacted to pick up the dog and take it home with her. And did Deana smell the decomp?

              Was the dog free to go in and outdoors without assistance? Was Deana coming and going from her own residence to check on Nappy?

              • Where are you getting that Zach said he put the bloody stuff in the washer?

                I don’t think that was ever said ANYWHERE.

                He was asked by Flores – a few times, and gave different answers because he said he couldn’t remember – when was the last time he’d done laundry.

                Flores was ASKING because he was trying to nail down when Travis was killed, WHEN someone had put the crime scene clean-up mess in the washer. Obviously, for example, if Zach had done laundry on Thursday and noticed nothing amiss, then the crime scene cleanup mess would have to have been put in the washer after that.

                Deanna did not live in Mesa when Travis was killed. She’d moved back to California two weeks before. And I don’t think she was ever the only person to look after the dog when TA had to travel. At any rate, Enrique’s girlfriend, Kim, was making sure Naps had food and water. AND he had a doggy door, so there shouldn’t have been reason for him to have had a stinky accident in the house.

                • OK, I had thought there was a pre-existing arrangement that Deanna was supposed to “inherrit” Napolean. But now that seems wrong, because nobody ought to have been expecting TA to be killed. Someone said the doggy gate was placed at the top of the stairs to keep Napolean back from the bedroom?

                  When Deanna left two weeks earlier, to move to Calif. did the Dog stay behind to live in TA’S house with TA? Or did the dog go with Deanna when she moved? This seems like a very big disruption in the routine of how things had been running. I’m trying to visualize how all these sudden changes are intertwined. The body was “found” on June 9th, and the 911 operater had informed that everybody had to leave the house. Was that after dark that night, or did they grab what little they would have in a single room and just head on out in daylight the next day?

                  So as TA had lamented: Deanna had moved (with or without the dog.)
                  Jodi had headed on out to Utah, having spent June 4 from 4:00am with TA in his own home. Then there was a murder in the bathroom, and TA was dead. Was Jodi chased out, or did she supposedly make an orderly exit, leaving him behind w/o helping him. But she was driving to Utah to meet with Ryan Burns? The house, wouldn’t it be crawling with detectives the next day once they had their search warrant and it was daylight?

                  Then it seems there was a whole parade of people. It is stated that about noon ON June 4th, THE DAY THAT TA WAS KILLED, Dr. Karl B. Haitt gave TA a loan in the form of a $7,000.00 check.

                  Now the home is cordoned off and it’s June 9th. Officers stayed on site all night. I guess Chris Hughes has been officially notified that his bff has been murdered. I think it was also stated that Chris Hughes came by TA’s home the first day the cops were there, saying he needed to get some of his personal items that were there at TA’s _(such as the $7.000.00 loan check, I would imagine)?

                  Is this when the Hughes took possession of TA’s Journals, and went through his email? Or was that even before the search warrant had even been issued, being that they could do the email remotely by using his password.

                  At this point, would the boxes of “toys” be in the attic? Would anyone coming across them know what was their significance?

                  On June 9th, would that be when the body be removed to the Maricopa County Morgue? Being the first day of the search warrant? So when would refrigeration first have been applied (if at all, including that cooling would control bugs.) Someone posted that it was about five more days before the autopsy was actually performed?

                • seabird,
                  I have heard so many things and during this trial where they should have all been
                  answered, they weren’t.

                  The roommates didn’t testify, Chris Hughes’s “testimony” was not in front of the jury.
                  That should have been VERY important.
                  WHY it wasn’t, I will always wonder.

                  They kept things out from the first trial, that should have been in it.

                  I think the dog must have been there because Zach said he thought the smell was from the dog pooping, but again HOW will we ever know the truth?

                  This trial wasn’t about finding the truth. It was about hiding the truth and when it comes to that, they all get their LIES wrong!

                  I think this trial has been very disturbing to say the least.

                  I am so frustrated and I know you are. I think we all are, We wanted ALL of the truth and we didn’t get it and Jodi didn’t get a fair trial. I’m hoping the appeals will bring out the cover up. We know there was a coverup and WHY?

                  But, it shouldn’t happen in this country while in the mean time, we’re supposed to be the ones where REAL justice is found!!!

                • Deanna inherited the dog, she didn’t take him in advance of TA’s death.

                  Jodi was in the house on Jun 4. The body was not discovered until late in the evening of Jun 9, so I can’t imagine why the police would have been crawling all over the house the morning after Jodi left.

                  The Hughes have given several stories about where they were that week. To my knowledge, none of them include having been to TA’s house to pick up personal belongings. Even the room mates were not permitted to get their stuff from the house until after the police were finished there.

                  The coroner’s office picked up the body on the 10th. The autopsy was performed on the 12th.

                • Journee, re: Zach and the bloody bedding in the washer: It seems like a process of elimination. At the end of the day, in the washer is where the bedding was found. Zach claimed to have washed on june 4th; June 7th; and (June 3rd?)

                  The washer is also where detectives said the Sony camera was found, with the Sony proprietay “memory stick” still in the camera. Then there was a solitary SD card, that Jodi said was interchangable, I believe, with her own camera.

                  A picture was posted of that SD card, lying on the very bottom of the washer drum, with nothing else in the washer, except for a full tub of water, through which a photo of the SD card had been taken. The new Sony camera would only work with the sony proprietary “memory stick.” The SD card from the bottom of the washer tub would not work in the Sony. The “other” SD card that was said to exist, was said to have been removed by detectives from the camera that had NOT gone through the wash cycle. The only other other camera left would have to have been Jodi’s own professional camera. The washer had been run, so it must have been Zach who ran the washer. The bedding was what got washed with the SD card ending up on the bottom?

                  On the day the evidence review was done, by orig. defence team, the defence ought to have been able to examine the camera evidence, including the content and number of “memory cards.” I do not recall that as having ever been documented. This would be Brady issues. One of those cameras was said to contain pictures of Jodi and her sister at a Buddah temple excursion, date-stamped with a date & time when it was said Jodi was at the crime scene. But she was in photos that show her, along with her sister, NOT at the crime and the same time she is said to BE at crime scene. ????

                  This is Brian Neumeister’s primary area of expertise _ criminal photo evidence. This is not the same as “computer evidence and testimony.” All of this crucial evidence has become thoroughly mixed up due to too many cooks in the kitchen, and Martinez jumping in and stirring the pot.

                  Also, it is not trivial that and a most crucial moment when Brian Neumeister was working on the defence issues, Brilan’s father died. That was right before Christmas, so we do not really know whether that investigation was properly closed. We do know that it was reported that Brian had produced a 7,000 page report regarding the Defence case. I think that report ended up in the HIDE-AND-SEEK BOX.

                  It has to be totally UNACCEPTABLE that the defence has invested their budget in investigations for which there has NEVER BEEN ANY FOLLOW THROUGH.

                • seabird says:

                  Journee, re: Zach and the bloody bedding in the washer: It seems like a process of elimination. At the end of the day, in the washer is where the bedding was found. Zach claimed to have washed on june 4th; June 7th; and (June 3rd?)

                  I respond:

                  Unless –

                  A) to my point way up there somewhere, Zach simply has no clue when he did laundry. Which is not unreasonable in my experience.

                  or

                  B) the laundry was not put in the washer on Jun 4 but rather anytime between the last time Travis was seen and the time his body was discovered.

                  BY WHOMEVER, because
                  The house was never locked. Any number of people could have come and gone and moved furniture around and run the floor cleaner and cleaned the bannister etc. etc. – these are environmental changes both roommates noted and each assumed the other was responsible.

          • According to Flores report, what he said was that he was not positive if he’d done laundry on Tuesday the third.

            Flores told him that a load of laundry had been found in the washer that included some white religious garments. Zach said they would have to be Enrique’s or Travis’. And Flores adds “He also said that Travis was very neat and would never wash his whites with his colors.” But the report does NOT say whether Zach volunteered that information or whether it was in response to a question from Flores.

            • Journee, I’m so glad you’re here with your essentially miraculous recall and ability to piece together things, look back on things, and come up with actual FACTS from the EVIDENCE (if only there was someone like you on the “other side” that was an outspoken voice). It’s a blessing to us all that you’re here and I hope you realize that. I don’t have that kind of recall anymore and I don’t have the time or patience to look back on actual documents to check myself. May I ask (hope this isn’t offensive in any way), but are you pretty young (like 20s/30s)? I used to be exacting like you way back when, but as I’ve gotten older, I just find I lose track of things in ways I didn’t used to. (At my age, almost 50, I don’t mean to ask too personal a question. I’m probably just envious 😀 Forgive me!)

              • Ha! StillOutThere –

                I’m 58. I read dwight’s post and thought ‘wtf is he talking about?’ so I went to the top of the page and clicked on the Flores report to refresh my memory.

                I’m an annoying stickler about staying with what is documented until someone comes with compelling evidence that refutes it. That’s not to suggest that I’d rely on Flores report as giving the FACTS about anything, just that its the only documentation we have for any of this stuff. One misunderstood phrase turns into a telephone game and next thing you know misunderstandings become facts and accusations.

              • Hey StillOutThere – replied to this post an hour or so ago. Guess it’s made a detour. Not ignoring you!

                I’m 58. I read dwight’s post and thought ‘wtf?’ so I scrolled up and clicked on Flores report to refresh my memory.

                Sometimes one missed word can start a whole lot of false tales spinning.

                • Well, I’m grateful that you are so exacting Journee. And yes, that’s exactly what happened on “the other side” of this case where one missed/added word changed the narrative in the minds of many and then spread around on social media and added to further.

            • Journee,
              Don’t you think IF the idiots had been subpoenad to testify a lot of this BS
              would at least be answered or they could have pleaded the 5th.

              It’s even like the bimbos on TV talking like the roommates are telling the truth
              and they NEVER had to testify. I just can’t get over that.
              They lived at the Crime Scene.

              Did the dumb detective find the clothes first in the washer or did Zack?

              Plus why the white clothes?

              • Yes, I’ve always thought it was weird that the people who lived at the crime scene were never called to testify, and I can’t imagine why it happened that way. Except maybe it was for the same reason Geffner didn’t interview the Hughes – the presumption that nothing they said could be trusted and therefore they had nothing valuable to say.

                The ‘white religious garments’ mentioned in Flores report were Travis’ mormon underwear, often referred to as temple garments.

                • Good morning Journee. Does it not just seem a bit odd that his temple (magic) undies would be in the washer with the bloody towel and the camera?
                  I may be wrong but were the sheets in the dryer?

                  Now if Jodi was the cold blooded killer and planed this all out from the time she left CA. she sure left a trail behind her. She most definitely would not have left the camera and the cards behind in the washer. You know the card that didn’t fit in TA’s camera.
                  So the cold blooded killer who pland this all out lefted a bloody towel, TA’s Temple undies and his camera and a memory card in the washing machine!! Ya that makes sense to me. NOT!!

                • Good morning Cindy!

                  There are, of course, those who believe that the temple garments were in the washer because a blood atonement calls for the garments to be washed.

                  And there’s also the ‘logical’ presumption that the garments as well as the camera might have ended up in the washer because of a hasty crime scene cleanup, where someone just scooped up everything on the bathroom floor along with whatever was in the hamper. (remember, there were a few other articles of clothing in the wash, along with several black socks)

                  The red herring, the bit that can’t be logically explained at all, is that camera card that didn’t fit. Why would it have been on the bathroom floor or in the hamper?

                • I can only speculate here, but I think they weren’t called to testify because of a couple of reasons.

                  1. Since Jodi wasn’t denying that she killed Travis, the roommates’ testimony to describe the crime scene wasn’t necessary to call any doubt about who did it. That’s probably the same rationale behind the defense team not calling any forensic experts.
                  2. There was obviously a great deal of gossip and speculation among Travis’s friends/community about who did it (in the weeks prior to Jodi’s arrest). As we know now, Travis told various people that Jodi was stalking him, slashing his tires, getting into his house through the doggie door, etc., etc. They were all gossiping about this, no doubt. One person heard one snippet; another person heard another. And a story never loses in the telling!

                  The defense may have worried that Martinez would have tried to get around the obvious hearsay rules surrounding this gossip and slipped something in that would have been prejudicial towards Jodi. Once that bell is rung … even if later stricken by the judge, you can’t tell a jury to unhear it.

            • This is a real brain squeezer, but it seems worthwhile to persevere and get the implications.

              I thought (brain hurts now) that very recently, I read a proclaimtion that Jodi’s prints
              (at least with regard to that piece of wall the State cut out)

              were never identified as valid, admissible evidence. That includes that wall board they carted out: No DNA no actual “palm” in the “print” Only the “heel of the outside edge of the hand. No DNA, only a mixture of a couple of liquids. Not necessarily “biological liquids. No actual fingerprints of hers.

              Another thing that the State did NOT find, is any evidence whatsoever that Jodi had fired any gun. She yielded zero gun powder evidence on any tests that forensics performed.

              Look up posts by Edgar Longenecker. He’s a fanatic on this issue.

    • Hello Dwight Huth, I’ve just been over on the “disqus” page. I found your name intriguing and I was trying to find out who you are. I don’t know how you can endure the lack of living brain cells over there.

      Is there some way that you could post your theory about the likely hood that TA was being drawn back into the Meth world from which he had emerged to begin with. I cannot help being skeptical about such a meteoric rise, supported by a lifestyle based on an environment of addicts. Such is also the case with a certain world leader who emerged from the drug culture out of Hawaii about 2008. There is something about that year that just keeps coming back for more attention.

      You are in for a treat on this site. Folks here actually enjoy sharing coherent, logical, mutually supportive thinking that is aimed at finding some answers to real problems, and improving ourselves, so we can become ever more able to be part of the solutions.

      Back to your focus on the dynamics of the downward spiral in which the quality of Travis Alexander’s last days of life became enthralled. My latest intuitive thinking has me wondering about it being Travis who planed the pre-meditated demise of the women who had loved him, but was now legally caught up in a very dangerous situation of “between a rock and a hard place.” I am looking forward to your input.

  1. WE ARE WITH YOU JODI ARIAS! FREE JODI AZ!

    Strive not to be a success, but rather to be of value.
    –Albert Einstein

  2. If you get a chance watch the you tube video of the motion to dismiss juror 17. It is very telling about what went on there. KN also makes a motion for mistrial and of course we know the outcome there.

    • I watched that most important hearing this morning. I don’t buy JSS’s argument that they didn’t know that the split was 11-1 from the questions coming out of the jury room. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure it out.

      • I totally agree Carol. I don’t buy that at all. What that video did for me was show me the manipulative calculations of Martinez and the Judge. It is true that if they were going to investigate the intentions of one re social media, they would need to investigate all………and that would have really been interesting. Also, that video clearly indicated that bullying that was going on behind closed doors. Martinez knew if he got rid of juror 17……a death sentence would have been the decision. I am glad the judge didn’t fall for that.

        • Yes, as I posted in my comment on the previous page, Jennifer had to bring it to the courts attention that others were also on their Facebook pages and that three of them even friended one another. Antother point I found interesting was Juan’s claiming she was on her page on the previous day because her friend count went up by one. The judge, who appears pretty unfamiliar with FB, needed Jennifer to point out that that isn’t necessarily the day the juror made the request but when the friend accepted. That snake in the grass is working to stoop even lower and he is succeeding.

        • And why would 11 voting for life spend 20+ hours bullying someone holding out for death when all they need do is declare themselves deadlocked and be done with it. Come on, Juan! Are you really that stupid? Or maybe you just think the judge, the defense team, and the rest of us are that stupid.

  3. Being a retired / disabled vet, I have seen a lot of carnage, the wound on the neck is at least 4 days if not a week old, the knife wounds are just as old, note the black ring around them. I could not with a clear mind render a conviction in this case. I also have a problem with the time and date of death, was the coroner drunk? or impaired? I can not say she did or did not do this. I know stress plays a heavy factor as to her state of mind, PTSD comes to my mind. Only god and the deceased will know the answer to these events, and of course, Jodi herself. Jodi, if guilty, is the one who will have to live with these events. She has been tried and no conclusion as to whether she did this crime could be reached. I say let her go! If you are not sure, then, do not take the life of someone that the twisted court says is guilty through their twisting of the so called evidence. I am sorry! There are too many holes on the prosecutions explanations of what really happened. It all is corruption at it’s finest.

    • She was found guilty of murder one Joe, but the sentence for death or life is where the problem rose. I like many others and probably you, don’t see this as a murder one case at all.

      • This should have NEVER been a M1 case. And wanna bet it wouldn’t have, had it been prosecuted by someone else except Martinez? And had the victim’s family not been a blood-thirsty, Neatherthal group of meth-addicts?

  4. This is without a doubt the biggest mystery of the whole case. I can’t imagine that the roommates would not smell the stink. I can’t imagine the dog wouldn’t be throwing a fit about it. I can’t believe the defense never explored this obvious problem.

    Something stinks, all right, and it’s not just Travis’s corpse.

  5. The stench has always been a big question mark for me. We have all expressed our opinions about how it was impossible that the roommates didn’t notice the stench. Even flores quotes in his report that the smell was overwhelming once they entered the house.

    It’s not as if the roommates were 24/7 in the house and so they would become immune to the smell. They were at work for approximately 8 hrs a day so there’s no way once they got home and opened that door, they didn’t get smacked in the face by the foul decomposing smell.

    Why weren’t the roommates pressured to speak the truth? Why was their deposition accepted right away? Who interviewed them? flores? I see a whole parade of red flags just with the roommates stating that they didn’t smell anything…

    Lynyrd Skynyrd says is best in the their chorus from the song ‘THAT SMELL’:

    “Ooh, that smell
    Can’t you smell that smell?
    Ooh, that smell
    The smell of death surrounds you”

  6. Well something sure stank in that house…..as it seems all were getting a lynch mob together. Whenever I hear the so-called friends….SPEW…I can smell the STINK. Seems it would kill them to say one kind word for JODI…HELL even t-dog did that…a few times! who knows maybe they knew @ his darkness and now want anybody tojust shut up and move on……OPPS they did,nt get their revenge. Always remember some so called good people ARE NOT SO GOOD…but with a good book in one hand and a GREATNESS can fool a lot of folks……That,s the t-dog I know and now the world does too! OWN it t – dog and don,t worry for him one bit….God will forgive him….NOT SO MUCH FOR LYNCH MOBS!

    • Sorry, Zellner’s version starts about 16:00, Abrams’s version about 18:00. It’s a lot of BS but it displays the layout of Travis’s house better than photos do.

        • Carol,
          The gunshot wound last never made any sense, did it? According to Martinez, Travis was dead when he was shot. If it was a “fu-k you” shot, that makes no sense either. Stabbing is much more personal than shooting someone.

          • And as mentioned below, the bathroom is in the front of the house. Why in the world would Jodi take a gratuitous shot at him at 5:30 in the afternoon, not knowing who might be coming home or even just passing outside on the sidewalk? That shot going off at that hour is a sure indicator that it was accidental. No one in their right mind would put that into their master murder plan.

            • It’s too bad somebody wasn’t home because if she had been stopped from leaving we might have a whole different outcome. For one, somebody could have witnessed the traumatized state she was in.

                • Really?
                  He was shot at 5:30?
                  Enrique either came home at 6:00 or 6:30??
                  That was a fast clean up.

                • Yes, Aly.
                  And one of the MAIN reasons we’ve screaming at the top of our lungs that IF IF this was premeditated, why not killing him at 4 AM when she arrived? Or later on, when the roommates woke up and head to work???? When he was sleeping right next to her? It sure is much easier to slit the throat of an asleep individual than fighting with him! Jodi and Travis were all alone in a house FOR HOURS! Why wait till the last minute when the roommates were bound to come back from work?

  7. I have a question,

    Did the roommates testify under oath in front of the jury OR were they privy to
    be like Chris Hughes and not in front of the jury?

    If they did, were there questions for them from the jurors?

    If I recall, they had more for Jodi and Alyce.

      • OH!!! maria,
        That is so messed up.
        Here they live at the scene of the crime and they
        didn’t testify???
        Are you kidding me??
        The more I hear, read and see, the more pissed off I get.
        ALL of it was so damn fucked up.
        I’m just wondering WHY??

        • I’m not exactly sure, but I kind of get the feeling if one were a member of their particular LDS ward or whatever they call it, then that would place them above the law. If they needed to protect one of their own, the laws would be changed to cover for them (no matter what this corrupt member had done that was awful) and their lying friends, family and Bishop sing praises for them in their honor. Automatically, the sicko member would be promoted to Sainthood for being a sick, abusing, aggressive predator. Why not? I believe they call it “Lying for the Lord”. If they say it, that means it is true and if they write it that means its true. . .doesn’t really have to be the TRUTH. wink wink 🙄 Afterwards, several could write books about what a wonderful human being he had been in his fictional life and what a fantastic motivational speaker he had become. . . . . .then they can all profit off of his wonderfulness while they cash in all in his honor. TaaaDaaaa
          I wonder how many children are finding it disturbing that their parents are carrying on this charade? 😯

          • R.Love,
            This sounds bad, but IT is.
            They probably don’t really give a damn about their kids.
            Sure doesn’t sound like it.
            Poor kids!!
            If they say something to their parents, the parents would be quiet about it.
            Sad, isn’t it? : (

          • Speaking of children: Does anybody know how old are the two sons of plastic surgeon Dr. Haitt? They apparently adored TA, who celebrated regular Sunday dinners with their family (except that he only took Jodi along a couple of times.)

            The Haitts and the Hughes apparently found fault with Jodi, in that “she really wasn’t up to TA’s “caliber.” She was just too quiet and shy. Not hillarious, entertaining, and stimulating, like TA was. Chris H observed that, well, if anything did come of the relationship, they could take comfort in knowing that TA was such a grand “builder of character” that he would know how to build her up to his level.

            At one point the two Haitt boys had moved into TA’s house for a while to enjoy the joys of bachelor pad living. One boy’s name is “Brint.” I sense they might be twins.

  8. At first I thought maybe a bunch of bachelors living in the same house were used to strange smells 🙂 but now I understand (especially after seeing his shoes all lined up in his closet) that Travis was a bit of a neat freak – and likely a clean freak. So that doesn’t seem likely.

    • You know, I get what you’re saying. I remember visitng male friends back at college, 2-3 guys all sharing the same flat. Oh my… You can imagine the smell and the untidiness LOL!! However, these people had jobs, they weren’t a bunch of 2- year-old hanging out on a couch drinking beers all day long. They *had* to be away for hour so imagine the stench hitting them in the face and nostrils every time they would open the door.

  9. Google answered my question. : )

    It would be dangerous for them to live in that house for 5 days
    also anyone cleaning up.

  10. Here’s more ! SJ, if you want to add these to your pics, add away.

    I think I’ve got the inside and outside of the house all figured out. It could be possible that I have the position of the two roommates’ bedrooms reversed, If somebody who knows says it is, I will reverse them. But don’t believe I do from what I recall reading about Enrique sharing a wall with TA’s bedroom.

    I think I’m the first one to caption these inside layouts and believe I’m definitely the only one I’ve seen that I’m aware of to point out where the bathroom was from the street view.

    You may be surprised.

    http://www.mediafire.com/view/aekpvjbgkzjnpwt/Outside_house_view.PNG

    • The house seems strangely out of projportion to me. I believe it is a 5 bedroom house, and has the square footage to back that up. However, for the Master Suite, that shower seems to be way under sized. I estimate, by measuring my own shower stall, that the shower in that condo is about 32 in. deep x 36 in. side to side. My shower is 56 in. long in a mobile home.

      For a long time I had assumed it was at least 4 ft. x 4 ft. but now I rather doubt that.

      FYI Today I looked on Youtube for info about in home care and movement techniques for large patients, from stroke paralysis to amputees. I believe we have been underestimating what it takes to manipulate a limp body. The foundational concept is that you never try to lift the weight of the total body. There are two basic movement styles. One is maintaining the weight concentration in one side and then the next side. So if UPS leaves a large, heavy box while you’re out, you tip the box up onto one of it’s four corners, and then “walk” it into your house by putting the weight of the box on each of the two forward – advancing corners one after the other in a “walking” fashion. You can experience how a quadra pelegic might get around by sitting down on the floor with your legs and feet out straight in front of you. Then you scooch forward by transferring your weight from side to side one hip after the other. Then reverse into a backward scooiching moverment. It works because the mass of your entire body weight is always supported under just one hip at a time. For going from standing to sitting and back again, a spiraling action is utilized which takes no lifting action at all. To lift a dead weight body up and over that shower lip, you would be face to face straddling its extended legs with a support foot on each side of the pair of legs. You are facing belly to belly, sink into your knees, embrace the torso as if close dancing, with your arms under the torso’s armpits. Straighten your legs to Lift up and thrust your thighs forward and up into the dead weight for an upward to backwards arcing force.

      Once the sizeable butt is in onto the shower floor, you can push the mass, back first, into a corner. Then fold each limb inwards and crossed over the body. But you never tackle the WEIGHT of the entire body parts all together. If you had to bring the body back out, you would be back to using the spiraling technique.

      You would never try to push or pull the thing around from the back or by using a nearly severed head as a handle. It does not make sense. Just makes me laugh.

      Having said all that, All bets are off in the event of self-defense. There you are not opposing a dead weight. You are having to counter attack a skilled fighter. And thank God Jodi was able to do that successfully, with some help from the “equalizer.” (Whether that was a gun or God or both.)

      • I have trouble with “relativity; I think I should have said that we have been OVERestimating, how hard it would be to deal with a heavy body, assuming we know the technique.

      • There are still several problems with that:

        If you raise his weight under the armpits and thrust forward, you are still lifting that weight which is 85 pounds at least more than she is and now in an awkward position as well. You won’t be lifting that weight, you would basically be “pushing” it and lifting it slightly.

        Doing that, his head would likely end on the shower floor or at the most, slightly against the back wall. You still have to turn him into almost a sitting position, raise his head simultaneously and lay him against the right side wall. You have to get IN the shower to do that. There is no room to stand in that small enclosure. How are you going to do it?

        But more than that, he’s bleeding from everywhere. Where is the blood on the riser or a smear on the wall? They couldn’t even get him out without leaving all kinds of smearing and dripping. And this is 5 days later! Even turning the shower on is not going to wash the right wall. The shower head can’t bend at that angle. You would have to have a hand held spray head.

        Plus, if you wanted to still contend that theory was what she did, once she got his butt into the shower why not just raise his legs and stuff him in there any way he fell with his legs vertical on the left wall? Do you think she would feel she wanted to reposition him so that he was sitting as nicely as possible?

        Nothing explains away all these anomalies. And the last and best zinger of all…why would she feel she needed to put him in the shower in the FIRST place?

          • And then the one legged man or acrobat who left the footprint. That’s mighty strange too. Although there seems to be other footprints on the carpet.

            And I don’t think it’s too unrealistic to speculate that maybe Enrique also stopped for a quick snack before he went to his room either. When somebody gets home from work, it’s not unusual at all to go the refrigerator the first thing and grab something. That would shorten the time window even more for her to leave without him seeing her. Every extra minute would make a difference.

            It’s a real kerflummox.

        • Jade, I have to admit all of that certainly does sound excessive. I sure hope I never need to deal with such a situation. Would you have any guess as to how many days “ripe” that gortesque bloated corpse is. And would it be heavier, as the huge bulk appears; or would it become lighter, due to a dead body not taking in new fluid, but instead producing gas.

          I wish somebody would blow up an enormous poster of that “look” on Kevin Horn’s childish face when he got caught exposing his ignorance! Went through medical school, and that is what came out. Good Grief Charlie Brown! Speaking of which _ there was a former roommate in the cast, named Thomas Brown. My notes say he was “kicked out by TA” for being “too sexually forward” toward women.” If that doesn’t beat all Ha. He was just short of being called a “mollester.”
          But I don’t think he’s the one that moved out in the middle of the night.

    • Jade, does TA’s building share a wall with an adjacent condo building unit.

      I’m thinking of sounds carried from one love nest to the neighbors.’

      There has got to be an unnerving privacy issue built into this arrangement.

      It should have been mutually understood that every one of these young people was raised to accept the mandate of no sex before marriage. Yet they ALL behaved as if just the opposite was the cultural mandate for these folks.

  11. Plus there was several people living there so they would of been doing laundry within 5 day spand!they are lying! That one guy that found the body knows more than what he’s telling! AND dont forget the big boys foot prints in blood! Jodi could NEVER been able to put TA back in shower! AND the body had no scrapes from being drug into shower.THERE IS NO WAY JODI COULD OF MOVED THAT DEAD BODY!!!

    • That is one blown-up body. It looks ready to explode. Can our veteran explain to us what is about to happen with that body? How many days “ripe” is a body that looks in that condition?

  12. Who smells worse, TA or Poppy Bum Martinez. I Apologize from for getting off topic here but did KN object to Poppy Pants when he stated that Jodi stole Grandpa’s gun. Would be cool if there was a page with all defence objections, does one exist anywhere? for quick math, furthermore if they are in the record can they be items to add to an appeal as prosecution misconduct. Have a happy day all 🙂

  13. Hi all.
    The fact that room-mates were living under the same roof at the time,
    sharing access, same spaces and utilities and all that stuff,
    I personally can not see how things went so long being un-noticed and undiscovered.
    even a 2 day period would have shown something was not right.

    I rent a room in someones home and from experience even if they left for a day without
    some word or notes or something it would raise concerns
    so i find it hard to swallow that the room-mates know nothing.
    just my opinion.
    ~friend in canada~.

    • Shawn,
      I can’t see how even the anti Jodi could get that.
      5 days?
      Amost a week and the body skin starts to peel.
      That’s what I read and also it is dangerous for someone to stay there,
      even for the ones that cleaned up the place!

  14. Good morning. Been away.
    Just to charm in here. Didn’t one of the room mates say they thought the dog had a accident some place in the house and that’s why it smelled? Ya, OK like that will fly……for 5 days…

    • OK, so let’s go with the dog thing here for a minute.
      So they actually admitted that they smelled something.

      Do you just shrug your shoulders and figure “what’s a little dog poop lying around?”
      A Normal person would make some attempt to locate and eliminate the source.

      By now, you must have at least cracked the bedroom door, to see if TA is even at home.
      Looks like he’s not. Zach has the keys, though. You don’t just stop there, if you don’t see TA you don’t need to be worried about his privacy at this point. So that’s the moment TA gets discovered. Not days later.

  15. Plus that Mimi was to go to Cancun with z travis!!! Arrangements had been made so U know she was tracking his where abouts.. His car, RING, phone, keys, laptop all in plain sight!?!!!! Someome hot pissssst for the way he treated Mimi. They knew TA was still sexing Jodi when he had asked mimi to go to Cancun.

      • Ta’s roommates were the ones snitching him out to his other girlfriends. Dont know why people say Jodi was jealous of hogzalla “DR” she was nothing more than a dog setter. It was the other cheated on girls that slashed tires and turned car tag upside down. Ta had so he said had stalkers. He didnt know for sure which one cut his tires. Could of been Lisa or DA or the one that was married and is now dead!???? And I bet mimi wasnt happy with him either..

        • Jodi is the one they considered an outsider. No matter what she did to try to get to know them all she was left feeling like a fifth wheel. NOW we all know why but then she didn’t realize all the lies Travis was telling about her behind her back. Can you imagine how she felt when she discovered them all talking behind her back??? How convenient for all of these other ex girlfriends to throw Jodi under the train to save their own behinds. Too bad the truth came out about many of them too.

        • And don’t forget _ there are at least five people who are now dead. plus TA, plus they are trying to get Jodi. And talk about skimpy autopsy reports. Not quite sure whether Dr. Lyons ended up dead or not. He was an ME.

          • I know that Freeman’s brother and another woman supposedly committed suicide – I believe the brother right after they arrested Jodi and the woman (can’t remember her name – Ashley ?? something) right after Jodi switched her plea to self defense….correct me if I am not remembering this accurately…but who are the others that are dead that you speak of???

            • It ruins my latest theory, too. I figured that since MCPD would probably have a refrigertation facility room, it would answer a lot of mysteries. The body could be taken by the ME to the autopsy table, store the body under refrigeration, no bugs, take their time doing alternative bullet track creation, make their shock and awe gore pictures and then return the body to the regular morgue without having to expose it to viewing until they were ready. But now, the body is all decomposing and the willd theories along with it. No magicians making bodies temporarily disappear into temple basment coolers, and then reappear. Just none of that high drama. So what the heck DID actually happen??????

              The very last high drama theory I have up my sleeve is: TA had spiraled so desperately low. that he couldn’t hide his illegal child porn addiction any longer, plus he has succumed to his family’s meth life style, and Jodi was committing a crime by aiding and abbetting the activities of a pedephile, for which she could be prosecuted. TA broke his promise to get into recovery for the child porn. TA expected her to need to turn him in to protect herself. She also had access to a Bishop, and was expected to utilize the help that is intended from that office. TA therefore had set a trap to lure her to Mesa for him to kill her. But God saved her. TA had made himself too weak and run down from bad eating and drug use and no sleep. He wasn’t able to stop her from defending his attack to kill her. We know he knew this was inevitable because he was too young to normally be making adoption arrangements for his dog in case something happened to him. Who would think that at only 30 years old?

            • Ashley Reed Thompson, wife of Dustin Thompson – mentioned in Flores report made an anonymous phone call to Mesa PD and said she thought her estranged husband might be involved in TA’s death. Read Flores report for the scant bit of follow up. Ashley and Dustin subsequently divorced. A couple of weeks after she took out a restraining order on her ex husband, Ashley died of a gunshot wound to the head. The ME called it a suicide (autopsy report in linked in the banner up top) but the trajectory of the bullet is slightly back to front and also slightly up to down. IOW, not consistent with a self inflicted gunshot to the head. It was shortly AFTER her death that Jodi changed her plea.

              And, yes, Joshua Freeman also shot himself in the head on the very day Jodi was arrested. The gun he used was of such a small caliber that it took him nearly a week to die. His family was grateful for the chance it gave them to say goodbye. Interestingly, the explanation for Joshua’s suicide was that he had been sexually molested as a child and as a maturing teenager was struggling with urges that frightened him.

              [People really DO NEED TO GET IT that pedophilia is NOT A CHARACTER FLAW – it is a SEXUAL PREFERENCE as deeply seated as any other. How much would you love your life if your sexual desires were illegal? If the world thought you were the worst of the worst because of feelings that are beyond your control?] – little rant there I’ve been holding back for awhile and no I’m not a pedophile, it’s just something I’ve had occasion to research for my books, the research actually is what lead me to watch this trial to begin with

              Anyway, Gus Searcy did say there was another suicide within that group – TA’s group – subsequent to TA’s death. Never heard any follow up though, any explanation of who it might of been or what any connection might be.

        • Speaking of dead, like Ashley Reed Thompson’s “supposed” suicide, where is the man she was married to, Dustin Thompson??? You know Ashley Reed Thompson is the person who called the police, at the time of TA’s murder, with an anonymous tip! The anonymous tip she had was about her then estranged husband, Dustin Thompson, who she said was acting strange around that time and was the first one to the crime scene!!! Then, a couple years later, Ashley Reed Thompson, ends up dead – why??? Did she know something about the murder of TA and was she going to bring it forward to police? Did “someone” not want her to say anything??? I do not bribe she commited suicide! If she did – why, what made her not want to live anymore? Where is Dustin Thompson? Why didn’t he testify? After all, his wife was hanging around with TA and was even considering moving in with TA when she separated from her husband!!! Was her husband furious that she was hanging with TA?

    • There are too many people who would certainly not be happy with the treatment and behavior towards women Travis was handing out at every turn he made. He was an abusive sick disturbed man. His friends have lied repeatedly about his character. It was proved in court with his own words the kind of man he was. They can’t dispute his own words. . .oh I’m bad, they have, haven’t they. Apparently, everyone who was friends or family of Travis Alexander are very creative in there loving descriptions of him. It doesn’t make it the truth though. His own words proved Jodi Arias was telling the truth. The lies started with the room mates and friends, the Hughes duo, PIOFlores, JM the prosecutor and the family, the Bishop, the ex- girlfriend. . . .Jodi is the only one to tell the truth about Travis Alexander.

      • R.Love,
        So True!
        Plus the TV, starting with the bastards at HLN all took up for the abuser and
        pedo???
        They all need to find another job.

        Same with the state CLEAN it up.
        They know who did it and I hope in the end, THEY are the ones paying.
        Jodi told the truth to Flores and every time he told her people wouldn’t believe her.
        BS!!!
        So they believe all of the lies from the state.
        It’s all messed up and Jodi shouldn’t be the one to pay for all of their lies.

        If ONE lied they all lied. Why aren’t they charged with perjury and cover-ups?
        The “judge” should be impeached!!

        • Let NO ONE forget that IF the state and the Alexanders had accepted the plea deal Jodi was willing to take. . .Jodi would be spending the rest of her life in prison without anything negative about Travis Alexander ever coming out. That wasn’t good enough for them though. . .they wanted her dead. WHY???? She is the one who knows too much IMO. We never would have heard about this case at all, we never would have all met at the wonderful site to share our points of view and Jodi would spend her days sacrificing her life for the fairy tale farce about Travis Alexander’s life. She was willing to keep silent BUT they would not settle for life in prison, so the Truth about their Saint Travis Alexander has been told (not all of it yet) and they still want to blame that on Jodi Arias. It is not Jodi Arias’ fault that his name has been trashed but mark my word that is exactly what they will be stating. Always blaming Jodi Arias before where the blame falls. They need to own their own crap.

          • Truest words were never spoken, R.Love!!!!

            The Alexander family should SHUT THE FUCK UP, they are such low-lifes! They wanted this to go to trial and they have the NERVE to accuse Jodi of not mincing her words about Travis?!?!

            Well suck it, she is in trial for her life OF COURSE she’s not gonna sugarcoat anything. She used to do that while the fucking asshole was still alive, she used to idolize him to the point she was willing to forgive all his sick flaws. Not anymore!

            Scripta manent, my friends. THNAK GOD the guy texted all his sick sick SICK thoughts. His own words have sealed the deal for him; he is to remain in our memory as a pedo, porn-addict and abuser.

            • I’ve never understood why they believe it is ok to trash Jodi and her character when all she has ever done is love and try to help and protect him from anyone discovering his deep dark dirty secrets. More than any of them ever bothered themselves with. Cry me a river. We all know what those secrets were now and it wasn’t Jodi Arias. People trash someone undeserving then, they just have to suffer the consequences. Travis was not worthy of Jodi at any time in his life. She was way to good for him and anyone who called him a friend. I find it funny how no one ever brings up the amount of money . . .millions of dollars that these people have profited off of their dead brother. Pathetic. Hope their followers keep up their gravy train chugging along because they have become accustomed to the finer things in life now.

          • Your right…like I have always said Jodi was the woman who knew too much….and it was very dangerous…most people with dangerous info end up dead…..Jodi just happened to survive TA’s attack and that is not a crime….

            • Plain and simple!!
              The assholes didn’t love their brother and still don’t.
              IF so, they knew what he was and would have wanted all of his
              bad habits to just go away like Jodi did.

              She didn’t want all of this attention at his expense
              She wanted just the opposite.
              Even go to prison for it.

              His” family” didn’t give a flying fig about him.
              AND his “friends”
              You can tell by all of the attention they keep seeking. They’re making blood money and
              getting plenty of attention.
              That IS what they wanted, SO I wish they would shut up.

              Also WHY does Jodi have to listen to their shit?
              How many times?
              PLUS, she’s not the one that should apologize.
              The whole state of AZ. should.

              • Aly, we are not alone. Best to use neutral words to describe. We don’t need to get enemies. wink wink.

                Well loved ones; I believe that bloated body I was just speculating about just done bursted. Now _ It’s not party time. Sorry. We have too much responsibility right now. Just let the thoughts sink in. I’ve got tears. It’s been long time coming, but we are finally learning what our truth is and it is quite a relief. Remember the words spoken to TA when Bishop Vernon Parker was flown in for deposition. I think it was a peer of Travis who confronted him with “You are not being what you are supposed to be.”

                Travis failed the admonition in those words. But all of us now have the opportunity to RISE to the occasion of the responsibility to which those words are calling us. We have felt and heard a lot of ugly words over the past seven years. But I truly believe that we are finally breaking new ground. There is strength and purpose. We can get really Korney and think: What would Jodi do? She just slipls into that special place from which she gains the imspiration to be able to inspire others. Jodi has remained above the temptation to hate for seven long years. We don’t what lies ahead, but we can all feel good when we reject the temptation to get even, seek revenge, or wallow in ugly words. I am right now waiting to hear from Dwight Huth. I’ve asked him to post for us here, his theory about TA and the meth trap. Helloooo Are you out there Dwight?

      • Agree with that R. Love…Jodi is the only one to tell the truth about TA…everyone else has been living in a fantasy land trying to create this mythical person known as TA…but the roommates, they knew…..yes, they knew but have kept their mouths shut…..I wish someone would have the integrity and decency to come forward and TELL THE TRUTH about him and what he was doing….why do you want to cover up for a pedophile and abuser like TA…

      • That’s right. Jodi is the only one. A bit ago I was re-reading about TA being awfully desperate to get Jodi to re-rout herself trip to Utah to come to his place. He seemed way to anxious to me.

        What if . . . . it was TA . . . . who was desperate scared . . . . about what she knew.
        Isn’t it possible that TA lured Jodi over to his place that night so he could kill HER? What did he have to lose. I think they can only blood atone you once.
        He might even have had help from that garbage bag of creeps he hung out with. The likes of Chad Perkins Perkins who was brazenly and vulgerly “chatting” on open mike social media about putting the ho ho ho back in “homo.” And cruzing the streets of the greater phoenix area looking for under-age boys. And for Chad to get TA his photoshop of (something) before TA cuts off his “Perkins.”

        In the name of all that is Holy _ these creeps are Priesthood Elders?? How do they rationalize who they really are and still live with themselves? The honerable Bishop Vernon Parker seens to be the KING OF DON’T ASK DON’T TELL!

        • Your point is noted seabird. I, too, have thought TA begged Jodi to come by to see him one last time. . .for what purpose but to use her once again. . .photograph it so he would have pictures he could blackmail her with or was it to kill her to remove because she was the one who knew too much. He was all about himself so we all know it wasn’t a GOOD reason he wanted her to come by one last time. TA had an agenda to keep and he knew his world was closing in on him.

          The title that the Mormon/LDS church toss around are laughable! Give someone a title and everyone is supposed to look up to them. Hogwash!

          • Absolute right!
            Also we know from other news stories and people we know the guy ususally wants them to come back ONE time and usually the woman ends up dead.

            • Another question here::

              Why were all of ta friends so happy that he “FOUND” someone.
              They knew Jodi wasn’t Mormon and they continued to be so happy
              In fact one bragged that he introfuced them, when the other story was TA introduced himself.
              .
              WHY???
              He already had enough girlfriends that were Mormon so why weren’t
              they happy with them?

          • BB says: “I wish someone would come forward and tell the truth about ‘him’ and what he was doing.”

            . . . Wow BB, how prophetic! I firmly believe that you are getting your “wish” **contemporaneously, as we move together into this NEW phase that I predict will be the phase of TRUTH.

            **My awkward sarcasm: contemporaneous: a word Jodi was ACCUSED of using when certain individuals were putting her down for being the bitch in the family and correcting her family’s grammar. The old familiar “THEME”: It’s Jodi’s fault!

            Do you feel the freedom coming? That’s the “TRUTH” that is setting us free! That’s why we need to ‘enjoy the fun’ of the ugly names, but let them remain unwritten, because we are leading the “TRUTH” forward. Journee knows how to keep us focused on what is “safe” and protective.

            It’s interesting to me that Jade’s parade of insults toward Juan, actually do not strike me as “offensive.” She has skillfully kept the context of her words within the category of “Comedic license”.

            I am so darned proud of being a part of this group. I just can’t tell you, except that I am getting “teary-eyed” again. I am proud of all of us for taking the high road. I am proud that we boldly come forward and call what we see for what it is. We are shaping our community “style” in a manner that will actually make a difference. Can we all agree in amazement that as this Chess game is being played out, the un-movable is being MOVED. This whole prison system corruption thing is starting to crack under it’s own weight._` Milkie, Arias, Knox. . . .Do you know what my WISH is? I wish Jodi will eventually create, from her special place of love, a themed portfolio of drawings of each of the many characters
            characters who played a role in this unfolding drama.

  16. good morning all..
    How the roommates didn’t smell or notice anything for 5 days was the first thing that was rotten in the witch hunt.
    Flores questions to them and their answers in his report didn’t explain their lack of attention to the smells, the laundry issue and what about the dog???

    I don’t understand why the room mates were not put on the stand.

      • Hi R. Love!

        We have questions that any police inspector would naturally ask..Flores didn’t ask or doctored his report.

        • Seven years this fiasco has been allowed to be played out and we still do not know the truth about anything except that JODI IS INNOCENT. Frustrating at the least!!! 😯

          • I can’t imagine how Jodi must feel!!
            How do you stop all of the lies about you?

            She looked sad and puzzled when CH was on the stand. He barely could look at her.
            He shows GUILTY all over the place.

            • It had to be devastating for Jodi to find out the truth about all of these characters. Can you only imagine the horror to find out what they are truly all about??? She was completely out of her element with the likes of those slimy characters. Jodi’s mind doesn’t work that way. . .no at all. She is not the liar and manipulator in all of this AT ALL! TA’s own words prove he was everything we thought and worse. I truly wish he could have made a change for the better before his death but his own actions brought his death on not Jodi. ABSOLUTELY NO PREMEDITATION! NO DOUBT.

              • R Love Along the lines of Jodi’s tragic let down and betrayal by TA, I just re-encountered this sad snippet, probably from Jodi’s journal:

                “It wasn’t until February 2, 2007 that we decided to make things official. Things went really well despite one small hangup: Deanna Reid. I had no hostility toward her, from what Travis said, she seemed like a very nice girl. But he made it clear that she could under no circumstances ever know about us because if she found out she would freak out and he was tired of dealing with her every time he tried to date someone. I was very understanding of this as I had dealt with a similar situation in the past.

                We began to progress to the point where the talk of marriage became more and more frequent. We often talked about family structure, baby names, how many children we wanted, boys, girls, etc. Each time he referenced the future, he included me in it. To me, this was a natural progression. In May of 2007 I had to move out of “. . . (my own notes stop here.)

                • Deanna has always been a person of interest for me. It all makes perfect sense that she was upset with TA for using her for his own desires. TA was a master at playing one girlfriend of the other. Plus she is not a really good liar. 🙄 In fact, I think she failed at it miserably. Interesting how the Hughes has been pictured with her after his death appearing to best friends forever. She was accepted by the “Group” since she was “one of them”. I wonder where her Father and brothers live. I think Deanna moving 2 weeks prior was really convenient, don’t you think? That way no one would ever guess she was the guilty person. OH and BTW by her size “Ole TA Kick boxer” would have had a fight on his hands for sure. Jodi not so much. IMO

                • RIGHT!!
                  So we’re to believe Jodi did all of this 30 minutes to an hour before a roomate came in?
                  Nope, I’ll never believe it.
                  She would have shot and ran NOT cut his throat, drag him all over the place
                  then lift him in the shower?
                  No way!!

  17. I read somewhere that a father confronted ta NOT to call nor text his 9yr old daughter! Wasnt it sky that told ta that her sister was off limits to him! All these morman teenage girls all got cheated on by him!! There was some unhappy parents and brothers with ta. TA would take their virginity and then not marry them.. IMO someone came in ta’s room after ta finished sexing Jodi and went into the shower posing to get his picture taken.. That look on ta face was him looking at one of these girls “husband or father or brother” and ta knew he had just “fuc*ed up”.. chris hughes had to be very angry with ta cuz he would not stay away from Jodi . Ta had to make Jodi a secret! Strange chughes didnt track ta down for missing that so important money making meeting!!????!!!

    • Welcome to our world Pam Holt. So many unanswered questions. Everyone dead set on throwing Jodi under the moving Freight Train. Whoever it is they are nothing but slimy cowards and they will pay. The Truth Will Come Out. . . it always does! Lies won’t hold up for long.

  18. IMHO, my theory is that the whole thing was set up!!! Flores, Horn, Martinez, roommates, group that came to check on TA after five days, and the Hughes were all in on the cover up to the murder of TA in a Blood Atonement ritual that probably took place at another location and after that, they brought TA’s body back to his house and set everything up, blood, bullet, body in shower, sacred underwear and bedclothes in washer, cup in the shower and that’s why the roommates could go in & out of the house without vomiting from the strong decomposition odor because the body wasn’t at the house until the fifth day when it was brought back to the house! All the people that I mentioned probably were told not to say anything but were probably told to all point to Jodi as the person who killed TA and use her as the scapegoat! That’s why Jodi doesn’t remember the killing because she wasn’t there but the way Flores tricked her in the interrogation, he made her think that she must have done it because of how he showed her pictures of her and TA with PHONY time date stamps or ones that had been altered manually!!! This is what I think happened!

    • Might I add, your theory is a very good one. It would explain how they were able to come and go and not notice the odor of Travis’s dead body. The placement of the body would suggest that there had to be some sort of team effort going on. Another thing was the lack of any bug activity on the body. If it had happened 5 days prior where were the maggots? Many, many unanswered questions and no one is supposed to question anything? Ridiculous! OR, maybe it was just a simple self defense case. . .but why the set up? the cover up? the deletion of computer evidence? Why? Why? Why? What I know deep down is Jodi Arias has been charged and convicted of something she is innocent of. Period. The people involved in this tragedy should have to answer for their evil doings. We can’t believe any of them. They have proven in a court of law they are willing to do anything to protect themselves and LIE!

      • I agree so many unanswered questions, but how would the shooting fit into the theories…she admitted to that but remembers nothing else….I don’t know…I keep going back and forth from self defense to a complete 100% set up and she wasn’t even there that day to something in between….I am driving myself nuts but this is just why we need someone with the real truth to come forward with it before more damage is done….not forgetting that whatsoever a man soweth that shall he reap…..God is not mocked!!

        • Very true indeed. God will not be mocked. These people who dare to say they were praying for the death penalty???? What type of people do such a thing? Do they really believe God would listen to a prayer from people requesting vengeance and death? My God is not about HATE and unforgiving someone.

              • I do agree with marja!
                I believed Jodi when Flores was interrogating her.
                He didn’t want to even listen to her.
                He had his mind made up.

                I do believe without a doubt TA abused her, we hear that.

          • R Love, They do not KNOW God. They are lost children of darkness. God doesn’t even hear their prayers. Proof? NO DEATH PENALTY. In these very last days, the devil is very angry and his demons are working overtime.

    • Marja, I agree with allot of what you said. The one thing that really bothers me is WHY. There had to be a reason why besides just having sex with Jodi or how he treated woman. The church would have just kicked him out if he didn’t stop..

      So I have one of two theories.
      1. He did something to a child.
      2. He was involved in something
      that someone came after him about.

      I can go with the self defense. But I have way to many questions that have not been answered. seriously if Jodi could have gotten them in the shower does anybody think she would thought of slitting his neck?? That is a Mormon thing….

    • MarjaLiisa,
      I do believe you have solved the ODOR issue by wrapping up Horne, Flores & Martinez in the same meat wrapper. Who had access & covert opportunity to cold storage: Maricopa County Morgue. I think those creepy places have all sorts of underground hallways where they roll around dead bodies on gurneys from one cold locker to the next. They probably have plenty of rooms where they can perform “creative” autopsies unobserved. No bugs, No maggots, No Smell, No time limit.

      At first, I kept thinking of cold lockers in the basements of the temples, but the County Morgue, absolutely perfect. This is made to order.
      After their trial, when Montgomery and Arpaio are forced to cuff their three Golden Boys [Horm, Flores, and Martinez] That will be JUSTICE!

      So why couldn’t the church just kick out their bad boy? He wasn’t just very naughty, he was committing heinous crimes, and completely out of control violating felony criminal law to protect children. Literally a danger to himself and others. Can you imaging the scandal the church would face if instead they put TA on trial like they did Jodi. HLN would be back in the money again. This is exactly what God gave the mormon seers the “Blood Atonement revelation teaching” for. Right this minute TA is getting acquainted with all his celestial virgins and reigning over his very own planet. That’s why people be mormons. He can even be married to them if someone will stand in for him on this plane. Like baptising for the dead.-

      • seabird,
        They have cold lockers in the basement at the Mormon
        churches? WOW!!!!
        Scarey as hell.

        I think Jodi didn’t really realize how pathetic and dangerous
        this was.
        I heard her say one thing is that the only thing she had to give up
        was coffee. She liked to have it in the morning, but I honestly don’t
        believe she knew how EXTREME this whole religious thing went.

        • Aly: Actually I was being sarcastic. I don’t REALLY know if there are “cold lockers” in the temple basements. But I’ve been reading “Under the Banner of Heaven,” and with their enormous resources, it just strikes me that would be something really handy. I was also influenced by Ms. Pajama Girl’s insistance that the body “had to have been” (A Dr. Horn turn of phrase) removed and later returned.

      • Everything that I have read about the religion and their beliefs and practices I find disturbing.
        Sorry to say, they appear to be nothing but a HUGE cult. Very Powerful. SMH Baptizing for the dead!?! Just weird!

        • Very weird!
          WHY, would anyone THINK of belonging there?
          I wouldn’t step a foot in there.
          I wish this would uncover all of their BS!!

          The bad terrible things in the Name Of God!
          They should NEVER use God’s name in any of their weirdness.
          Any religiion that does this should be slapped down.

          Also depending on the church, think of how many children could be
          fed IF this were taxed.
          Plus, a lot of the so called churches DO used God’s name so they don’t have to pay taxes.

          It has to start some time and some way.
          I’m sure a loving God would agree.

      • It’s all works of the death and very evil. The only true blood atonement was on the cross of Calvary. Mormons believe the atonement took place in the Garden of Gethsemane. IT DID NOT. That sweating of blood was agonizing but not atoning because Jesus had not at that point been accused, arrested or tried. Mormonism is straight from the pit of hell.

  19. Judge has set aside entire day of 4/13 for #JodiArias sentencing. Members of Alexander family expected to speak. No word on Arias herself.

      • Sidebar after sidebar. . . . .misery after misery. . . .drama and more drama. . . all for the benefits of the media and lining of a few more pockets. . . .why not? Oh boy.. . . Goody, Goody.

        • That’s why she’s allowing this part on TV.
          The drama!!

          She didn’t allow the trial because she was protecting
          Jaun, Flores and Ta and the liars!
          Now, all of this BS on TV???
          Oh she pisses me off so bad.

          I wish Jodi didn’t have to be there.
          And the “family” SPEAK again??? WHY
          Enough of them all ready!

          • Aly,

            I was thinking the same thing!!! Why on earth are the Alexander’s going to speak again??? They already gave their speeches! We heard how they felt alteady!! Why do we have to hear it again? I guess we can mute the TV then, but still…what is going on??? I think you’re right, Aly, it’s for the drama to draw attention to how the Alexander’s feel about Jodi and to try to get the crowd all rallied up outside to be against Jodi and so all the reporters & newscasters can laugh at and bash Jodi, which is absolutely wrong, unjust, cruel, hateful and mean of whoever is allowing this or participating in this horrible plan!!!!!!!!!! All who allow or participate in any evil plans against Jodi will reap what they sow against her!!!

            • Marja,
              The judge loves publicity too.
              She stopped this last trial from being telivised, probably because juan
              wanted her to.
              AND if she wanted to she wanted she could stop this circus the same way!
              She litterly makes me sick at my stomach.

              Last time I didn’t watch the drama, like you, I can put it on mute.
              I couldn’t stand t watch then in court and the judge showed her bias
              by allowing them to continue.

              She could deny it to be on TV, but she won’t!
              If they allow a circus outside like the did last time, they will
              only be there because they also want to be on TV.
              They probably haven’t kept up with the trial at all.

              • It is ALL about sympathy and money. They’ve got to keep the charade going. Scamming the public as they chug on down the track.

          • Um, Aly – it was the DEFENSE that wanted no TV coverage, because it could compromise the jury and the fairness of Jodi’s trial.

            The trial is over now, there is no jury to compromise, and Stephens has no legal leg to stand on to prohibit media coverage of the sentencing. But she IS protecting those witnesses who wish to speak on Jodi’s behalf but do not want to be on TV.

              • Maybe there are family members who don’t want to be on TV.

                I’m inclined to agree with CanadaCarol. Team Travis have been consistent media whores – except for a couple of older brothers. Maybe they’re the ones who want to speak while they stay out of the limelight.

                But I’m inclined to think it’s Jodi’s family being protected from scrutiny.

  20. ABC15 Arizona ‏@abc15 Apr 6

    JUST IN: Judge approves live video coverage for #JodiArias sentencing. Some witnesses will not be photographed. Sentencing: April 13.

    • Not surprising. I’m sure the family will give one more attempt to ride the sympathy train. They haven’t missed one chance at it yet. Honestly, what else can they say but just more of the same. Enough is enough. I’m sorry they didn’t take the time to really get to know their brother while he was alive and help with his problems. If he was my brother I would not sleep until I knew the truth about his death. They know we haven’t heard the real truth. No Way! Let this be done and they need to move on with their “grief”. As long as they carry their hatred in their hearts for Jodi Arias they will not heal. They are only hurting themselves. Forgive and move on. Self defense is not a crime. Afterwards, we can all continue to move towards appealing this mess. This will never be over until the TRUTH IS UNCOVERED! ALL OF IT!

      • I do not know but I doubt it. Sounds like the Alexanders and friends to me. One more shot.
        There is nothing left to say either way. . .BE DONE WITH THIS CIRCUS!!!!!

        • Most of his friends are media hounds so the “no photographs” part doesn’t sound like that bunch. For sure, the family will be back, even though the judge has already heard from them more than once.

          • I hope I’m wrong! I challenge them to take that high road and show great character which would include forgiveness and compassion. Offer mercy for Jodi Arias. If so, I will be the first one to apologize to the Alexanders BUT I’m not expecting any forgiveness or mercy to be coming from them. Sad for them.

      • How can we make a point of boycotting this w/o being mean-spirited? I would want to be absent, but CONSPICUOUSLY absent.
        I don’t understand why 7 years of demanding special attention and they demand yet more?
        I guess it’s like how Opra ticked me off by pontificating about white people: Well you can’t change them; all we can do is wait for them to DIE OFF. Honest, she actually said that. She was interviewing that bicycle medalist who I think lost his medals for cheating – or something.

        How on earth does one actually “dedicate” an entire day to something like that. Maybe we could use the whole day to have Nurmi begin the prosecutorial grilling of Hughes, Horn; Flores; and Martinez for their Perjury and Brady violations over these past seven years.

        • It should be a cut and dry ordeal by now. Pronounce the sentence and let’s move on. This long drawn out process is ridiculous and maybe the Maricopa County taxpayers don’t mind watching their tax dollars be thrown down the drain but the rest of the citizens in the US do care. They are making a mockery at of all of us along with our Judicial System and I have had ENOUGH ALREADY!!! STOP THIS MADNESS! FREE JODI!!!

  21. Got a little behind because my computer needed a brain transplant, but today I got to watch Day 19 with Pseudo Smith and Malware. The camera faces the state table and my oh my, what a trio of grumpy faces. I just wish I could see them better.

    😆

  22. So, the Alexanders get to talk on Monday? Again? A-G-A-I-N?????
    Why? What more can they possibly have to add?

    • Maybe we could get the word out to anybody who is there on Jodi’s side, immediately bow your head and pray silently, avoiding eye contact with the “family” whenerver they try to insinuate themselves as attention hogs in this DEDICATED COURT DAY! YES, because they surely need God’s help to get over themselves.

      I’ve been trying to find what the deal is with:
      Steven Alexander;
      A Mission to Kill and commit suicide; and the
      “YRica Unibomber”.
      Is poor Steven in need of prayer?
      Is this a Cover UP?

  23. The citizens of Maricopa sure have a lot of tolerance for stupidity. Sheriff Joe has done it again:
    ” The Maricopa County Board of Supervisors agreed Wednesday to pay a $3.5 million settlement to the family of a girl whose abuser was allowed to walk free for nearly five years while the Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office ignored physical evidence from the assault.”

    • 😯 There is a pattern in this county. It isn’t a good thing either.
      What will it take to wake these people up? OH WAIT. . .when it happens
      to one of their own!!!

    • This reminds me of “groundhog” day of funerals or something. Over and over they memorialize his sordid demise. But who gave them permission to force everybody else to keep attending the same funeral?

      Oh, yes, that’s right, they are a cult, and right now they have us cornered.

      My own brain is certainly getting exercised (Or should that be exOrcised?) At least I found a niche or super fine beings who have cornered the market on brains, thinking, problem solving, and support, just when a person needs it most. Thank you everyone for turning what is trying to be a misery, into a shared adventure. Bless every one of you for pulling us together.

  24. Jodi Arias Updates @JodiAnnArias · Mar 22
    “Dude, there’s a virus on my computer; bugs are eating my screen.”–text msg from TA to Taylor Searle, 5/23/08.”

    This is something I haven’t seen before. I think this is exactly how Jodi had described his virus. It corroborates what she said she saw. Was this text message ever presented as evidence in either phases of the trial?

        • Taylor Searle is a male who was very close buddies with CHughes right after TA death. They were like Pete and Repeat in their interview “yep, yep that’s right. . .Jodi did it. . .yep, yep!” It’s all interesting to say the least. CH seems to have great influence over these “young men”, doesn’t he? I wonder if Taylor is sitting pretty now, too?

        • Hello Canada Carol: The term “insane” is most aptly used in this new pinacle of unpredictable outrageousness. Maybe Sheriff Joe has some sort of aging dementia disease that is contageous, and it is spreading fast.

          I’m trying to think of what, in a real world, this bizarre turn of events could be compared to. An entire day “DEVOTED” to WHAT?
          I’m drawing a blank.

          Well maybe this sheds light. In another lifetime, when I was briefly dating an alcoholic, one of his AA buddies calmed me down and very patiently explained to me that: “you can’t reason with an alcoholic.” So replace that last word with whatever substitute description you think we are dealing with, and I think that is what has happened. It’s sort of a “Toto, I don’t think we’re in Kansas any more.” Switcharoooo. They only appear to be real humans, but they are not. So if we expect to be able to reason with them, prepare for total frustration. Take me to our leader. We need new plan.

  25. I’m sorry but what the heck does JSS need the whole day for? She was ready to sentence Jodi right after the mistrial. Oh what could the Alexander’s have to say that they haven’t already said?? Oh ya to blame every dysfunctional thing that’s ever happened in their lives on Jodi.

  26. I had forgotten just how insane that courtroom got during the retrial. Flores will say anything Snarky wants. All he has to do is raise his already very loud voice. Jodi’s witnesses, on the other hand, are all top notch professionals and way too smart for those clowns in AZ. I honestly don’t know how the jury could accept such total BS from the state.

  27. I think this trial & near death penalty conviction was all set around an LDS paedophile ring. I also think it goes right to the top & I also think there are top people from other professions involved especially cops/teachers/judiciary.etc. I think this trial has being a conspiracy from the word “Go”. I think the State is protecting those involved & I think Stephen, Martinez, Montgomery & Flores are part of the conspiracy. I think it is so horrible that they will do their utmost to give her the highest sentence on the thirteenth. I think all the shenanigans of this trial the evidence tampering, the house mates not being called as witnesses, Martinez going solidly for the death penalty, the letters of Alexander being refused & being called forgery’s by Martinez, the Judges deplorable disgusting biased stance against the defendant right through trial. And the million to one other injustices through the trial by state witnesses, by media, by (YES) even victim’s family chewing their mouth endlessly while rolling eyes, whining & & wailing in courtroom, so much so the Judge was in tears on day the death penalty was halted by brave juror 17 because she wanted so much (the judge, that is) for defendant to be executed come hell or high water.

    Yes, I am betting there is something a lot of people know about in Arizona, why the state tried so hard to kill/murder this defendant for something she was never guilty of in first place. The least she should have been afforded was a mistrial. Now the computer, I believe there was a lot more on that computer that would have implicated a lot more folk in Arizona, especially Mesa, Arizona. I ask you? Why did all the states computer experts say there was no porn on the computer in first trial & in second trial try to say there was only titillating porn like naked breasts but nothing else? Why did the pre-trial jury not even consider the porn in that trial, when they knew reams of it was discovered by defence experts especially Neumeister? & why pray tell? Did the judge bring the jury before her individually for one whole day during the pre-trial…did she tell us the real reason for that little exercise? Not at all. I have written here before my suspicions about the house & the smell of the decomposed body, about Jodi’s ability to drag a man nearly treble her weight around the apartment while at the same time being exhausted from running from his mad rage & then carrying his body and landing it so perfectly sitting up against the tiles. Martinez & Co, pull the other one. I also talked about the laundry & how no one of them noticed the bloody sheets in the washing machine. The photographs Martinez showed in court could all have been doctored. Can he prove they weren’t, I mean he is the one to know as much…as he was in on most of the sneakiness of this trial & one who even told us how he could be so weaselly was Dr Death herself.

    So there, that is my opinion of what went on & is still going on here. A conspiracy. A cover up & a case of trying to murder this defendant because they all know too much about a church that is as bad if not worse in the art of “Child Abuse” as the Catholic Church. Of course on the 13th they’ll carry on with the act & the circus, but the truth will out in the end. Their day in court will come about when they are the defendants…but “Real Guilty Ones” at that. Remember, the child/children we heard in TA’s letter that he abused…not one thought was given to the fact that there was this young victim/s & as to his/their whereabouts & their well being. Not one thought from the State about this…because all they were thinking about is their protection of those in high place inside & outside of the Church of Latter Day Saints. Anything but?!

      • I believe with this way of looking at things, Jodi would fear for her and her family’s lives so she would be silent. There are so many ways to look at this tragedy. . . too bad the Defective Detective Flores wasn’t smart enough to understand that. Was he just stupid or lazy or better yet, maybe he knew exactly what he was doing. One more pawn in this “game of thrones”. Well, we will see who is sitting pretty after we are done uncovering their mess.
        We will fight for Justice for JODI ARIAS!!! FREE JODI AZ !

        • R.Love
          since Jodi was not silent and said intruders did it in the beginning, wasn’t she taking a chance with her family? I mean she didn’t know what direction the investigation would go yet she betrayed the intruders trust out of the box, instead of being mum or taking the blame herself which would be the more realistic ” intruder threatened to kill my family if I talked” way to go hypothesis.

            • But her story also changed when there was a “convenient” suicide that happened. Which if anyone believed the conspiracy theories might make sense. I just do not know.

              • Her story to Flores was true!
                They have kept her in jail for almost 7 years? For no other reason than for her not to talk.
                No bail?
                Why?

                IMO,what was the last straw for her was to tell her that her family was being threatened. Anyone in that position would have done the same thing.

                That isn’t so strange. People or someone they loved are dead just because they talked.
                It’s happened all of my life. Nothing new!

  28. I’m going to watch only for the sentence handed down by the judge after that I am muting the TV as I don’t need to hear any more from the family….they have already said their piece more than once so are they just now trying to set the stage for a possible civil suit against Jodi ? …..which is going nowhere….they will never recover one penny from Jodi as she is penniless and will undoubtedly spend a long time in prison before her case is overturned and remanded or dismissed with prejudice…..so have at it family you are spinning your wheels and wasting the precious time that the Lord has granted you to live…..Stephen already looks as if he can’t handle much more….he looks as if he is seething with rage……..harboring that kind of rage can destroy you from the inside out….let it go……none of it will bring TA back……

    • Of course I’ll mute them too!!!! There’s NO WAY on Earth I am gonna listen to those WORMS one more time.

    • Oh BB, I’m so with you on this one. Enough is enough. They really need to let it go. I know you never truly get over the death of a family member but there comes a point that you have to hold the memory of that person in your heart and live the best life you can. What example are you setting for your children?? Perhaps it might behoove youto take a page out of the survivors of the Boston Marathon. Not one of them has said the wanted death or they wanted to stick the needle in him themselves. Not even the parents that lost their child. They are not out there screaming for death.

      For your supporters, are you kidding me? The Alexander’s have not displayed class, through this whole ordeal. Their behavior in court reminds me of angry teenagers. They are adults. After Monday your “supporters” will move on and forget you. They will find someone else to attach themselves to. They feed off from angure. The media that has befrienden you will move on to another “story”. You all will be forgotten in time.

      You all need to go home and hopefully realize that you need help from a professional psychologist to learn how to deal with your destructive anger.

    • I’ve often wondered if Stephen hasn’t been abused by his loving brother Travis. He has had that far away look during court like he might actually know that TA was the abuser and pedophile that he has been taken advantage. . . could he actually be the one to stand up and say you know he was a real SOB. Just a thought of mine.

      • I have always wondered about whoever wrote that “Night before Christmas…” poem about TA…does anyone remember that and know who wrote that ….that poem said it all didn’t it??

      • R. That far away look is his meds. I believe he needs to get them rechecked after all this is over. He has that zombie look. PTSD takes some time to regulate the right medication. Really depends on what symptom is more prevalent. His blamng his PTSD on Jodi is just crazy unless he was there. Perhaps his subconscious is transferring is anxiety of the experiences that he’s gone through into what he imagined Travis went through.

        I’m willing to bet that the reason we haven’t heard from Tanisha giving family inpact statement is because she is a loose cannon.

        • Maybe Cindy but I’ve seen a look of . . .oh I knew my brother. . .meaning I really knew my brother. They all had to know something was off with him. Someone that was in close contact with him knows the truth about him. My guess is, they are to scared to speak up.

  29. I am going to revise my comment above in my previous post about the family….”they have already said their piece more than once…” I am going to say that the family had their say CONTINUOUSLY throughout the criminal trial and the sentencing trial with all their antics – eye rolling, crying, sobbing, head shaking, ribbon wearing, and demonstrating with them standing up en masse and storming out of the courtroom during closing arguments, etc…..so enough is enough with them…they need to go back to their lovely little town of Rubidoux, CA and thank God for each and every day that they have……..

  30. Is it possible that Jodi shot Travis by accident left the home and then the roommates were the ones who stabbed him? I always wondered about that.

  31. Just rewatched a video of Nasty Disgrace and Zach Billings. Hmmmmm He was interested in photography. . . I had forgotten that tidbit. Also he was the one who discovered the body supposedly. . . fumbled around and found the keys for TA’s room. He appears to be emotional one minute then watching what he says in the next minute. Of course, Nasty is right there to interject her false facts into the mix. No wonder the sheeple get lost when they graze on her words daily. What a Disgrace.

  32. Michael Kiefer ‏@michaelbkiefer · Apr 7
    According to Maricopa County officials, the most recent tally of Jodi Arias defense costs is $3,441,304.91.

    91 cents wonder what that was for….

  33. I wonder if the family is going to repeat the same speech as they did in the two trials? This is a pleading to the judge who has already heard it all – twice. How many times can someone write and present a heart wrenching, hand wringing speech without sounding a bit over the top?

    • Oh this will be the worst on Justus. It’s the last time they will see Jodi. Also if anyone speaks for Jodi or Jodi herself they will walk out again.

      I personaly think it’s a farces. JSS has already made her mind up.

  34. ♥ PRAYERS FOR JODI AND HER FAMILY! ♥

    Romans 12:12 Rejoice in hope, be patient in tribulation,
    be constant in prayer.

        • It really made me ticked off. Jose was great on that show. Made great points. Why oh why didn’t the DT follow up.

          I’m trying to recall when Jodi said she tried to clean up? Anyone recall?

          • I don’t think Jodi remembered cleaning up, did she? Also, I’ve never heard of cleaning up blood when the body is left behind. What was the purpose of mopping up blood with Travis’s t-shirt? I can see wiping down the furniture, e.g., door knobs, to remove fingerprints, etc. But, like Jodi told Flores, if she was planning to kill Travis, she would have worn gloves. So, dragging and putting his body in the shower, trying to mop up blood (but leaving the body) and putting Travis’s camera in the washing machine looks like someone was not thinking clearly or was in a confused state.

            • That’s why I don’t believe the 2nd part.
              I believe what she told Flores.

              How could she shoot him, cut him and clean up supposely
              the roomate came home 30 to 60 minutes later.
              Why wouldn’t she shoot him and leave?

              Plus she isn’t Wonder Woman.
              I doubt even ‘wonder woman” could do what they say she did.
              Look at the body in the shower. Ot had to be put there.

              Flores liked this story better?
              Jodi herself when JUAN asked did she cut him, she said “I GUESS”
              She nows she didn’t.

    • It is a real shame that the interviewer didn’ t keep her mouth shut long enough, and didn’ t keep interupting, so that the mother could speak and say what she had to say, in the way she needed to say it, in order to convey what she wanted to say.

      It is also regretful that the interviewer inserted/ pushed, her false interpretation of the mother’s message in a way that erroneously tried to encapsulate the content as being simply about porn, even though she phrased it as a question.

      If interviewers were less focused on their own sense of self-importance, they might be able to get out of the way long enough to hear an alternate voice present a detailed, in depth account, opinion, and analysis of the situation.

      When interviewers rush a person through like this, the result is little more than a ‘sound bite,’ a pretense at providing a platform for free expression, while actually being only a token act.

      This sort of behavior is partly why the public is uninformed, misinformed, and even worse__ misled in a particular direction.

      • Amy,
        They wanted to rush her through because she actually had something she knew
        and said.PLUS was a supporter of Jodi.
        OMG!! I thought Beth was going to faint.

        Diamond and Karas are such bimbos! I can’t believe they actually think that Jodi may have still been in the house hiding somewhere. WHAT funkin jidiots and they wanted to hurry on so that
        they could get one of the STARS. Oh my really?? A juror that actually became friends with
        the clan and SHE is disappointed??? Why she convicted OR would have because she was an alternate on the first trial BUT because she didn’t get the DP OH, boohoo.
        What strange people!

        Plus Diamond and Karas are surprised this mother didn’t call the defense OR someone???
        PLEASE!!! No one could have done that without getting slaughtered by the court and the media
        and church!!!!These IDIOTS believe ta was a saint. NO, he WASN’T put on trial. How in the hell can a woman protect herself against an idiot and say well, he was such a GREAT guy, I just had to kill him.

        NO, DUMB And DUMBER don’t get it!! They are actually taking up for someone that even his church waswas punishing.
        Dumber looked so puzzled! Oh GEE what an idiot!
        All they have on those shows are pathetic losers and I don’t even like to say loser, but when you stoop that low to protect an abuser, pedophile, that IS exactly what you are!!!
        Shame on all of those bastards!!

        I hope and pray that we start hearing from some that KNOW more, but are afraid!!

  35. Court was scheduled to start at 8:30 a.m. AZ time. The “prosecutor”, the defense team, the families on both sides and perhaps Jodi are the only ones that are allowed to speak. That’s how it should go. But it’s AZ. So if it goes like it does in every other court in the US. The only reason I can think it would take all day is because JSS has to make it look good and go back in chambers to decide. I’m sure she will say a few words to Jodi.

    Hopefully that will be the end of ever seeing or hearing from “those” people again.

    Then the court will start releasing everything. The media will have a field day with all of it. I only pray that they don’t let anyone know when they transport Jodi.
    My prayers are with Jodi and her family this weekend.

  36. I wonder if Jodi will speak at all on Monday. Personally, I doubt it since it’s unlikely to change anything. I’ve read that once in a while an impassioned plea/speech will change the mind of a judge who has already made up his/her mind. But, I think it would have to come from one of Jodi’s parents or siblings to sway JSS. I do hope JSS doesn’t make one of those hateful speeches aimed at Jodi like some unprofessional judges do. I saw one judge on a Youtube video this morning shout at a defendant he was sentencing: “I hope you die in jail..if this was a death penalty state, you would be getting the death penalty” (something like that).
    And, if anyone from the Alexander family shows any compassion for Jodi, you can bet some wealthy benefactor (i.e., Jodi supporter) has offered them a pile of money to do so. But, I don’t expect that to happen.

    • Omg CC53, now wouldn’t that be something. I do not believe JSS would go that far as to say something like that. It would be Nice’s to see Jodi’s parents sisters and brother say something. If they don’t then I will know something not right.

      I’m wondering if JSS knows there is a chance that this will be overturned on appeal.

      • It’s probably magical thinking on my part, but the judge must realize there is a very good chance the verdict will be overturned on appeal. JSS also knows Jodi was overcharged. So maybe those 2 factors will influence her decision on Monday. She could make herself look good (in my mind anyway) by giving Jodi a chance to go free in the future.

        • Especially since no matter what JSS’s decision is on Monday, Jodi will eventually get a different sentence on retrial or be released outright.

        • JSS is a coward and an idiot ! She has made a mess of this case and won’t clean it up…she had countless chances to control the courtroom and administer this case according to the law but failed miserably….she will no doubt continue the mess and give Jodi LWOP and Jodi is most likely prepared to hear that sentence and prepared to hear the family speak again….not again !

          • And this has become personal for JSS just as it has for JM….and this is the ultimate act of unprofessional behavior on their part IMHO……crying bc she couldn’t sentence her to death, constantly overruling the defense and bending over backwards and turning a blind eye to all the prosecutorial misconduct….JM’s ranting and raving, misconduct, brady violations, perjured testimony by state’s witnesses….all signs of it being personal instead of doing their professional jobs and seeking truth and justice and administering justice….what a great shame this case has become….it will live in infamy….

  37. I’ve got nothing but HOPE for Jodi and also that AZ
    changes the way they do things, like tell the gallery NOT to express in
    ANYWAY and hell no, they acted like idiots and HOPEFULLY
    they won’t get by with it this time.
    They totally disreguarded the judge and court and I hope she takes that into account.

    She heard all of the lies and she can’t just stick her head in the sand and act like she didn’t
    hear them all.

    • StillOutThere,
      Thanks for posting this document. It’s a powerful argument but like Jennifer Willmott (?) states: “Ms. Arias case was treated differently than most other cases in Maricopa County.” Will Jodi’s case continue to be treated differently? Sadly, I expect so.
      I’m a bit puzzled by the statement: “…if release ever occurred, Ms. Arias would likely be in her 60s.” Jodi had just turned 28 when she was arrested on July 15, 2008. She will have served 25 years by July 15, 2033 when she will be 53 years old. I don’t believe there is any time off for good behavior if a person is convicted of a violent felony in Arizona (according to a Vladimir Gagic article).

      • What we want to know is W H Y was Jodi Arias case treated so differently!!!! AND it was SELF DEFENSE!!! SO WHY JSS!

      • Coldcase, yes, a very very powerful argument indeed. Although, I’m prepared for it to fall on deaf ears, sadly. But, it is a point for appeal.

        What Willmott is referring to with the “in her 60s” remark is that (assuming there is a process in place for a parole hearing after Jodi serves 25 years because there is no such process now), it is not typical for parole to be granted immediately upon eligibility. In fact, it’s more commonly denied. IF parole is granted, it typically takes more than one application.

        • Thanks Still. So none of us knows how she will rule. I never read to much into JSS emotions when declaring the mistrial. Either side can read what ever they want into it. Just saying…….

          • I agree, Cindy. Isn’t it entirely possible that *any* emotions she may nor may not have shown were because she was hoping the jury would reach a unanimous sentencing verdict so that she would NOT have to be the one to do so? Who would want to be the judge deciding on this case? I mean, really. No matter what she does, someone is going to criticize her for it.

            All the way through this case — all phases — she was the type of judge who just didn’t want to have to rule on anything. She wanted the attorneys to work things out. She only stepped in when she absolutely HAD to. That’s the kind of judge she is, and probably how she runs every case in her courtroom (and why many attorneys like her — because a LOT of judges want to get their “judging hat” on for everything). Now, in this final moment, she has to decide on the sentence — with everyone’s eyes on her. That just doesn’t strike me as something she wanted to have to deal with.

            • I don’t feel sorry for this judge at all.
              She, being judge should know how to control it and she didn’t a miserable job
              and I think the reason she did is because she is the most biased judge I have ever seen.

              She should care about what the law is, not whether the alexanders are going to like her OR for that matter if she’s elected again. She should see how miserable of a judge she was and she can fix it now.

              Jodi doesn’t deserve LIPWP anymore than the DP.
              Hopefully many judges that see what a joke she’s made of the court and law
              will work this out where Jodi get’s what is right.

              They really haven’t solved a thing. Both trials were nothing but a bunch of lies and coverups and Jodi has served more than she should have in the first place, so let her go home.

              A trial is not supposed to leave her and everyone else questioning what the
              hell happened and find the ttruth. They failed miserably at both.
              It has mistrial and impeahment written all over the place.

                • R.Love,
                  Beth AKA Dumber defended her saying
                  she’s a “hands off judge” Oh, FOR SURE!!!

                  No, she’s a lazy biased judge that wants someone else to do her job.
                  I wish she would step down.

                  With judges like her, who needs them in the courtroom, IMO!!

                • Hands off judges is another way saying no judge…..Judges are supposed to be the ones administering the law and making sure that all parties are adhering to the law and that the defendant gets a FAIR TRIAL !!! None of which this idiot judge did…she is incompetent IMHO as evidenced by her Guinness Book of World Record for the most side bars in the HISTORY OF JURISPRUDENCE !!!!! It is precisely her inability to make a decision and control the courtroom that she should never sit on the bench again !!

                • BB,
                  TRUE.
                  Karas talked about her like she was really good and that was just
                  her style. (Hands off ) Karas is such a joke and I believe she said this
                  “judge” has another DP case after this.( GAG )

                  I stopped watching the idiots right when the
                  mother and daughter called in and said that they were writing a book
                  about all of Jodi’s lies.

                  The one that they rushed was for Jodi, the only others I watched
                  weren’t rushed at all. They had plenty of time to talk.

                  They’ve all been so biased to Jodi, BUT can say that the judge was more for the defense with a straight face.
                  Who are they kidding?

                  These idiots are really a threat to society, dangerous, like Cindy said!!!

            • Still, that is what I was thinking when I wrote that post.

              You know more about these things then most of us. I don’t know if she is thinking that there is a great possibility that this case could be over turn in time. Jodi getting 25 years with perhaps the chance of release is still a big IF from what I have read. Jodi has a better chance with appeals.

              So does it really matter how JSS goes??
              Well except that the family does not get what they want for now!!!

              What is your gut feeling on this?

      • Vicky,
        Don’t give up until it’s over.

        This trial has been the worst trial with lawyers, the judge and the liars.
        The truth is on Jodi’s side!

        This trial should be in Believe It Or Not!

    • Really dwight
      Then,
      wouldn’t he have QUESTIONED Why all of this blood?
      Why the camera??
      Abloody camera in the wash???
      I should call 911.

      Oh , hell no. None of that.
      I still believe IF they don’t interrogate, someone do something, the wrong
      person is sitting in jail.

      The talking idiots said that the memory card was the smoking gun????
      Oh, REALLY!!
      BUT, they don’t question a camera and bloody clothes, THEY believe the roommates. REALLY??
      Damn!!

      They don’t even question the “magical camera”???
      That is all such bullshit!!

  38. Good morning Team Jodi!!! Well the dark side is having a hissy fit over the DT filing yesterday. Some pretty threatening remarks made in regards to JSS. Keep it up you morons you also can experience the Arizona legal system.

    It’s quite obvious that 90% of you didn’t bother to even watch the trial.

    • If they took time to read for themselves, watch for themselves then maybe they could begin to think for themselves. . .it is never too late for them. If they would stop their madness for one moment and just think, “What if what I believe is wrong?”. Could they stand before God Himself and declare without one doubt Jodi Arias is guilty? No they couldn’t. Jodi has been wrongly charged, deviously convicted and now waits for the sentence. . .it should have never gotten this far. What ever happened to the right for a speedy, just and fair trial???? Who is in control of Arizona?

      • I also wonder what happened to “innocent until proven guilty”.

        I wonder what in their lives has made them have so much hate for someone they don’t even personally know?? it’s very apparent that by their posts that they have anger issues.

            • Innocent Until Proven Guilty,
              went out here with the likes Of HLN, Jane Valdez, Nancy
              Grace, Vinnie Pollitan, Mister Drew, the TOO many other HLN clowns and media that followed them.

              Why even have a trial, just watch them. They know it all.

              It’s like reading tabloids and believing they’re true.
              I can’t stand any of them.

                • It can’t be soon enough, Cindy!
                  I agree, they are dangerous!

                  May be a good time to write them OR better yet, their sponsors.
                  When people start telling them that they aren’t buying their
                  products anymore, it DOES work.

                  It would be the BEST thing for all of us.

  39. I have never read a more disgusting, vile, vulgar bunch of females as those TA supporters.. all they do is fantasize on Jodi’s panties, private parts! My account was put under suspension by these wart hogs but I know they will read this cuz they can’t keep their faces out of JA supporters business either! Bottom line is THERE IS NO WAY JODI COULD OF TAKEN ON TA, KILLED HIM AND THEN PLACE HIM BACK IN THE SHOWER SO NEARLY BY HERSELF!!! my husband is 180 lbs and in very good shape. He is a deer hunter and said it takes all he got to drag a 150 lb dead deer.. I ask him could U pick it up and place in a shower? He said NO WAY!!! there was others besides Jodi killing TA.. Jodi wouldn’t have the strength to all the state is tryn to say she did ALL by herself. Trolls need to b using COMMON SENSE.

    • Hi Pam,

      Well it’s what a lot of us keep saying. I don’t know if you followed either trials or not, but there are a magnitude of things that don’t makes sense.

      Thank you for voiceing you thoughts!!!

        • The women are the worst!!
          I was just talking to my husband about that.
          I can’t watch them. Just seeing Diamond and Karas
          made my blood boil.

          They say Jodi told so many stories???
          OH, REALLY??

          How many that have testified for the state flat out lied, perjury?

          Karas is such an idiot she says Jodi MAY have been hiding in the house when the
          roommate came home.
          Oh, but he didn’t see her car???
          Bimbo has an answer for that too. Yep,
          she says she MAY have parked her car down the street.

          Now you hear all of these sound bites that they throw out there?
          AND the public grabs on to it because they believe that shit.

          Well, talk about adrenaline, mine is really working overload.
          That’s why I NEVER watch them.
          I didn’t know Dumb and Dumber had their own show.
          Geeee talk about making blood money
          AND they talk like this IS going to be a spectacular event, Monday.
          Saying they wouldn’t miss it.

          I hope they all get a cramp in their foot>

  40. Jodi Arias Updates @JodiAnnArias · 20h 20 hours ago
    Legal team has advised #JodiArias that biased JSS WILL give natural life. Jodi has no delusions re:sentencing and is fully prepared.

        • Helicopters? Absolutely disgusting! So silly that the media needs to know the exact second Jodi leave so they can have the “top story”..

          • Good morning Miss Vicky. Well this has always been a trial by media so they have to have the ending to their big story!!! They have to suck the last penny out of it. Because after tomorrow they will be on to the next “big” story…

              • Well Vicky I see it this way: it has to be a young pretty female. NG isn’t done yet with her revenge at how the CA trial made her out to be a fool. Or perhaps she just hates pretty young girls. Might have something to do with her fiance that got killed. Maybe he was messing around with someone else. I read a article about that whole thing a few years ago. I can’t recall all of it except that NG lied about it. I’ll have to find it and reread it.

  41. Good morning Team Jodi!! Thoughts and prayers and love to Jodi and her family!!!

    As Journee reported last night Jodi is prepared as we all know what JSS will sentence her to. There will be so much drama in the courtroom from the Alexander’s as we all know. What will be interesting is how they will act when people get up and say a few words for Jodi. I’m sure that JSS will give a warning
    regarding any outburst. But will she follow through?? Oh how I pray they go first!! Get their BS out of the way. I want the last words that are spoken in public to be about Jodi. The thing that has always just made me want to scream at the top of my lungs is This trial was Jodi’s trial!!!! Not the Alexander’s!!

    They will never have Justus for Travis!!! They made sure of that. They may not want to believe everything that came out in this trial but others will always have questions. Well the have lived in the lime lite and American knows them. They are the siblings of the Mormon who lived a lie, and broth shame to the church and who was a pedophile!!! People don’t soon forget things like this.

    The day will come when the whole truth will come out. Jodi will not die in that prison. Jodi Ann Arias will walk free!!!!

    May God have mercy on your soul!!!

    • We all know how the Judge is going to sentence Jodi, and with the media being able to show it live from the court room. Jodi’s reaction will be a “catch 22”, if she breaks down in court she will be seen as trying to get sympathy, and if she shows no emotion she will be seen as a cold hearted, remorseless bitch. I don’t know which is worse, but Jodi is damned if she does and damned if doesn’t, she can’t win. I do believe that she will hold her head high and not give them the satisfaction of seeing her looking defeated, because this isn’t over yet, not by a long shot. She will one day walk away from that prison a free woman.

      We are Team Jodi, we will not be defeated.
      We are here for the long haul.
      (((((JODI))))) ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥

      Ray In Harrisonburg, Virginia

      • Mr. Ray you nailed it!!! Jodi is the strongest person I have ever seen. I’m sure she will cry for the “family” as she has every other time they have spoken. She was even crying for them when JSS declared a mistrial, when they were sobbing. That is when JW was rubbing her back.

      • Right On Ray! ♥ We will never STOP UNTIL JODI HAS HER FREEDOM BACK!!
        PLUS APOLOGIES MADE AND HER NAME CLEARED!! ♥

  42. Yoohoo, Journee had to respond way down here. Ahhh the “red herring”. Now how do you suppose the memory cardthat didn’t even fit Travis’s camera but did Jodi’s camera got in that washer and out of Jodi’s camera bag? Perhaps Jodi gave it to him before she left Mass to move back to CA. Because we all know that someone else put the time stamp on them. There would be no reason for that card to be in the washer. Even “if” this had all taken place on that day. Why would it be out of Jodi’s camera??

    • hmm –

      maybe Jodi’s camera card
      maybe not
      maybe pictures collected from different sources (i.e., a source for the ‘Jodi porn’, a source for the TA struggle, a source for the shower pix, etc.) and put onto one card with dummied up exif data to make it look like it all happened on the same day

      these are the kinds of conclusions anyone can jump to when police fail to properly investigate and then dummy up their own evidence to fill in the blanks left by their lazy detectives

    • hey, sweetie, I replied, but must I have said a bad word

      the censors in R’s barn are gonna have to go over it before you can see it

  43. I know that Jodi is prepared as much as she can be for tomorrow but I can’t help feeling some sadness for how this all turned out. There was so much wrong with this trial and still she nearly got the death sentence. Since I have been following her case which is a long time now, I have seen many heinous murder cases turn out much different than Jodi’s. I still ponder why this trial was so much different than other murder trials of equal or more horrendous circumstances. I do not look forward to tomorrow and I wonder how you all are feeling about the final day of this trial. I truly am hoping that Jodi has access to a super lawyer in future who really cares about the injustice that has gone on for 7 years. I truly hope that she gets her appeal and things change for the better for her. I truly hope the Alexanders are able to find peace and move on from tomorrow. There has been enough sadness to go around three times at least. I wonder if it is true that some are just born under the wrong star and that their life is just that much harder than others. I think Jodi and Travis would qualify if that is so.

    • The article coldcase53 posted: JODI ARIAS IN THE PUBLIC SPHERE: RHETORICS OF HORROR AND THE MONSTROUS FEMININE – Elizabeth Lowry
      http://refractory.unimelb.edu.au/2014/06/22/arias-lowry/
      gives a great understanding why the haters have/had to martyr Jodi.
      From the hate, to the pain, to the refusal to accept circumstances beyond my control, I found the only way to make peace was to find gratitude. So the haters that won’t make peace, will NEVER find peace.We’ve all lived that life of refusal to let go and that’s when our real life stops. Dear Haters, forgive and FIND gratitude or you’ll never go anywhere in your lives.
      Jodi will find peace, Jodi knows WE are ALL with her, forever!

  44. Hey everyone! I know I’ve been absent a lot but spring kicked in and I’ve been really busy w/ spring stuff.
    This week-end I’ve been trying to catch up on what’s been going on in ‘Jodiland’ from all sides.

    It seems that some things never change as long as someone takes a break. The drama is still there, the bashing is still there and the chyt stirring is absolutely still there.

    Although all of that BS makes me yawn (so passé), there is one thing I’d like to address for the millionth time because I have balls and like to take responsibility when I’ve wronged someone:

    I still see that there’s a lot of shitstorming going around about Maria De La Rosa and her alleged ‘involvement’ in finance stuff related to Jodi. Let me make it simple for the clueless and radish brained idiots out there:

    Parts of a PRIVATE MESSAGE between myself and Sonja Contreras (an ex-supporter) ‘leaked’ (IMO, revengeful people try to hurt others when they are bitter) and those parts that were leaked were taken out of context. I had Sonja on my fucking back about where the profits from ‘Art by Jodi’ go and to get her off my back (because it was none of her business in the first place) I lied and said that all profits were monitored by Maria De La Rosa – WHICH AGAIN I SAY: I LIED. That is absolutely FALSE. MDLR has no connection WHATSOEVER with anything to do with Jodi’s ART and APPELLATE FUND.

    Half a year – when this came out – I had contacted MDLR apologizing for getting her involved in all this BS. I had then told MDLR that I’d make a statement to clear up my fuck-up. She had replied “Don’t bother, nobody will believe you and they’ll just say that I put you up to it”. Although I hadn’t listened back then and did make a few statements not only here at JAII but also at the vile rag that had posted the private message (w/o my approval) nobody seemed to care. They kept going on and on about Maria because of course making MDLR look bad is better than actually reading something truthful. Now I see that the slanderers are still at it about MDLR.

    For the last time: Whatever was written in that PRIVATE MESSAGE about Maria De La Rosa was totally FALSE. By trying to get that shitstirring drama queen leech off my back I ended up getting Maria in trouble for something she was never involved in.

    So peace out about MDLR and try and find another victim to hassle, assholes…

    ……………. Drops mic.

    • I certainly don’t want to get involved in any drama. But Sonja is an ex-supporter? I realize I wasn’t around for a while, but she was the nicest person during the trial and a HUGE supporter of Jodi. When I was being harassed for posting here, she was so supportive and kind to me and I talked to her a lot back then. She even listened to me cry and comforted me. She’s truly a lovely person. I haven’t talked to her in a long time but this is shocking to me. She always said lovely things about you back then Maria and I got the distinct impression you were good friends. This makes me sad.

    • How sad! MDLR has never disserved the hurtful things that have come from the haters. A extremely brainless disgusting group of people. They need to move on to a new hobby. I wonder what they get from their hateful ways.

  45. JODI ANN ARIAS WILL BE FREE AGAIN, IF NOT NOW, SOON! 😉
    John 16:33 “I have told you these things, so that in me you may have peace. In this world you will have trouble. But take heart! I have overcome the world.”

          • R.Love,
            Some times I may say things that are really personal to me, BUT I hope y’all understand.
            If I could send it to Jodi, I would, BUT I guess this is the next best place.

            Since peace has been mentioned a few times today. My son used to tell me when we were sad for someone, Let’s pray for peace for them.

            We lost him in 2007. When the doctor said we don’t want him to suffer, I asked hom if they had done all that they could for him and he told me that they had.

            I went in his hospital room to talk, we had a sweet talk. He was more worried about his family.
            I hugged him and told him that it was going to be hard, but that we would all take care of each other.
            I can’t go into the whole story.

            But R.Love what you said a few post up made me think of some of it.
            My son wanted peace for all of us and he said “remember this Mom”
            John 14:27
            Peace
            I leave with you,
            My Peace
            I give to you,
            not as the world gives
            di I give to you.
            Let not your heart
            be troubled,
            Neither
            let iy be afraid.

            I really do hope that I’m not out of line in anyway, I just feel
            so heart broken, but I know my son would say this to me right now.
            So, I wanted to share it with y’all.

            My son I know is with Jodi right now.
            He will be tomorrow through the hardest times.
            I really wanted to tell Jodi this and send her 3 bookmarks that I had made
            to give to friends and family in memory of our son.
            He loved books!
            I wanted to send them to Jodi so bad, I believe that they would help her.

            I know that Jodi can’t get cards now, so I thought the only thing that I was able to do
            was to write it on here.
            I believe you will understand.

            Sometimes in my hardest times, I find dimes in the strangest places.
            I found one this last week. : )
            He knows we love Jodi and are concerned. : )

        • R. Love,

          Amen to that!!! YES, it WILL HAPPEN!!! JODI ANN ARIAS WILL BE SET FREE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          All the naysayers, hatemongers, vipers, bad mouthers, and evil wishers for Jodi will be STUNNED!!! Here is a list of synonyms for STUNNED:

          flabbergasted, shocked, astonished, staggered, amazed, dumbfounded, bowled over, astounded, surprised, flummoxed, gobsmacked, knocked for six
          taken aback, speechless
          nonplussed
          dazed, bemused, stupefied, bewildered, confused, dismayed, floored, overwhelmed, startled, confounded, frozen, numb, overcome, stumped, aghast, blown away, breathless (word hippo – weebly).

          YES, that’s how they will be but all of us who love, support and wish the BEST for Jodi Ann Arias will be, ECSTATIC, HAPPY and REJOICING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          ((((((JODI)))))

  46. Journee or any other great fact-finder, I have some questions that were never answered (for me) — they’re not important, just things I have wondered about.

    Why and when did Travis move to AZ? Some sources say it was because Deanna’s employer transferred her to Phoenix. Others say he moved there for the strong Mormon community. It makes more sense that he moved for Deanna. Otherwise, why would a guy move away from his close-knit family who’d been through a terrible childhood together?

    What kind of work did Travis do after he came back from his mission? Sources say he went on a mission to Denver for two years immediately after high school. So, that would put him at about 20 when he came back and he lived in Riverside, CA.

    He started dating Deanna in CA when he was 21 — some sources say — but since it was 2000, he was actually turning 23 that year, and still living in CA. Presumably, he worked at some job or another between turning 20 after returning from his mission and being able to buy a house in AZ.

    Was Travis’s great financial success (that he could afford to buy the house) due to PPL? He met Hughes in CA, so I’m assuming he started with PPL long before he moved to AZ.

    Deanna went on her mission to Costa Rica that same year (2000) for 18 months. When she came back, Travis was dating Linda Ballard. He started dating her in June 2001. Travis would have been almost 24 by then. They dated for “about a year” so that would put them breaking up somewhere in mid-2002 when Travis was almost 25. Travis allegedly bought an engagement ring for Linda in January 2002, but didn’t actually propose by the time they broke up. Linda said she broke up with him before he got a chance to propose. (What doesn’t add up here?) Presumably, he was doing well financially by then to afford an engagement ring and consider settling down.

    At some point thereafter, he started dating Deanna again. And he moved to Mesa, somewhere in that timeline. They ultimately broke up in 2005, when she realized he wasn’t going to marry her. They’d been having sex for about a year (presumably in Mesa) because I doubt they’d have done that while living in their family homes, but had stopped before the break up. Travis was turning or had turned 28 by the time they broke up.

    So again, what did he do between the age of 20 and 28, other than PPL? When did he start with PPL?

    Any answers?

  47. Meaningless assorted jobs.

    He came here first, then she followed him when the company she was working for moved to Phoenix.
    Houses were cheap and they were giving loans to everybody without documentation aka “no doc loans.”

    I understand people were coming from California buying homes one week and selling them the next for large profits. There were bidding wars on the lawns. It got so bad, the lenders put a clause in the purchase contract that buyers had to live in the home for at least one year as a condition of purchase.

    Then the crash, and there were for rent or for sale signs on nearly every other house of every block.

    If you can stomach it, this is about the most specific detail of the gigolo felony assault and battery pedo.

    http://travisalexander.org/travis/

  48. Good evening Team Jodi. Where is everyone planning on getting their news tomorrow? Will tweets be posted here? I know HLN is supposed to cover it (eye roll)

    • Ugh, Vicky. I’ll be sooo busy at work that I won’t be able to monitor. I’m hoping Pandora (and/or Maria) will be so kind as to filter through the tweets and let us know (as much as possible) or watch the live feed and tell those of us who have to work what’s going on.

      I know what the sentence is going to be, don’t you? Natural life (or LWOP as it’s abbreviated), is what I expect. It won’t be quite as gut-wrenching for us as waiting for the verdict we never got (twice).

      Honestly, my biggest punch in the gut was the guilty of M1 verdict, but back then, I couldn’t feel my emotions and they were all locked inside me. I lost a pet the day before and we were burying him that day the verdict came in. I was at my future in-laws’ house and an emotional mess for a lot of reasons, but I couldn’t quite let the tears flow. During my abusive marriage, letting the tears flow was something I didn’t do, and I was still not far enough removed from that when Jodi’s guilty verdict came in. I felt my feelings a LOT later and only when it was SAFE for me to feel them. Other than that, my PTSD brain guarded them and made me seem like a cold unemotional person. That’s why I survived my abusive marriage. It may be the ONLY reason, actually. Enough about me …

      So, the one that got me most emotionally — now that I actually FEEL my feelings again and can express this — and had me in tears all day was this past non-verdict. It was the weirdest thing. I went to law school. I worked in law firms most of my life. I knew that — much as I HATE to say this — a death penalty verdict would have given Jodi a better shot of having an appellate court review her case. So, on some weird intellectual level, I almost hoped everyone out there who hates her got their damned wish. But, in my heart, I couldn’t stand it. I couldn’t sit here and wish for this woman to get the death penalty as a verdict — something I have NEVER believed in anyway but regardless — this should NEVER have been a death penalty case to begin with. In any other jurisdiction in the US — where I went to law school — and even in that jurisdiction in Montgomery County, AZ, it wouldn’t have been charged as such — and my heart just couldn’t take that verdict being reached. I just fell apart emotionally thinking that this jury would give Jodi the death penalty.

      I mean, really, even some folks on the “other side” know that would have been ridiculous as a penalty. There are some folks who HATE Jodi and even they think the death penalty is wrong in her case. Me? I don’t believe in the death penalty PERIOD END OF STORY. I’m not trying to hide that belief of mine. But even *I* have sometimes considered the possibility for like an Ariel Castro-type, and whether it would be worthy. (He took his own life, so we didn’t have to ponder further.)

      But Jodi? Really? The crap I see online about her … I’m just freaking appalled beyond belief. I really am. People watched HLN and didn’t watch the trial, obviously. Ugh!

      • StillOutThere, yes, I am expecting the verdict to be LWOP. I have watched everything so far, so I will likely watch tomorrow’s proceedings if they are uploaded on youtube. I will be at work. Interesting that you brought up the DP verdict. I was wondering if Jodi’s appeals would come quicker had she gotten the DP verdict as well.

        • You’re way ahead of me, girl. I really want to watch the retrial (and shudder at the thought of Martinez), but haven’t had time as it’s busy season for me (yeah, haters, I do work on taxes but not prep LOL — just laughing at the haters Vicky, sorry). I’ve only watched bits here and there. I want to watch it all.

          Yes, sorry to say, appellate judges would have been more likely to look at/review/accept Jodi’s case if she got the DP from the jury. We’re still talking a decade or two down the road though. We’re not talking about tomorrow, next week, next month, or even next year. 🙁

      • Oh they’re already advertising it, their live coverage. Should I post the link? It’s all over Twitter.

        (Sorry, but I still laugh at the name, twitter. They’re all twits … look up the English vernacular on that. Hahaha.)

  49. What people who are in the fog are not conceptualizing is not that Jodi couldn’t have put him in the shower. Eventually she could, we all could. It’s the TIME constraints that she had to accomplish everything in *addition* to putting him in the shower, put it in the same realm of being able to drive 20 miles in ten minutes. Sure, if you could drive 140 miles mph, you would get there with a little time to spare. But let’s see you do it.

    Same thing with all Jodi had to do. And we know, there was a built in unequivocal time limit that is set by conditions that were present. Martinez boxed himself in by saying Alexander was dead at 5:32 PM but hadn’t been shot yet, and was in the hall corridor. That irrefutably means that she had to accomplish everything that was done between that time and the time Enrique came into that house. Those are the two bookends.

    Enrique was working in Tempe, AZ which is 17-18 minutes by car from Mesa. At that time, he was either not wanting to pay the price of gas or couldn’t afford it at $4.00 a gallon so he was taking the bus. He worked 8 to 4:30. That gave him an hour and a half to get home BY 6:00. A bus does not stop to let him go to Walmart and do a little shopping or wait for him to get a quick hamburger at McDonalds as you could with a car. So you can believe that he was coming in the door at 6 or shortly after.

    That’s the other book end. Between 5:32 and (being generous) 6:10, she had 40 minutes to do everything INCLUDING getting him in the shower. I have listed all the things that would have encompassed on another post. It is a long list ! It would be stretching reality to the breaking point. Time flies when you have a lot to do.

    We also know for a fact that Enrique did not come home and go up to his room while she was still there. We KNOW that because ot the fact that the doggie gate was put across the stairs. If Jodi was still there and Enrique went up the stairs as usual, there would have been no gate across the stairs. When he came back down, and after she had left, he sure as hell would notice the gate was there that wasn’t there when he went up. Since there would be no reason for that, it’s one of the first things he would have told Flores. So we know she left before he came in.

    Now the 40 minutes would have been superhuman but there’s something else too now. By looking at every individual layer of the onion, the more I look, the more I find.

    From the supplemental report:

    “A digital camera was also found in the washing machine in the downstairs laundry room. The camera appeared as though it had been through a wash cycle with several other articles of clothing in the wash machine. The camera had severe water damage, but the digital card was intact. We also discovered that ALL OF TRAVS’ BEDDING HAD BEEN W-A-S-H-E-D and was found in the dryer.”

    The operative word there is washed. That means that she had to have been there long enough for the bedding to go through a complete wash cycle. A small load minimum wash cycle to complete takes at least about 15-20 minutes to go through water loading, agitation, spin cycle. She THEN would have taken that bedding out of the washer and put that into the dryer in order to free up the washer again for the clothes they found in the washer with the camera. That time has to be accounted for.

    So let’s walk through this:

    How does she do that? Does she scoop up all the bedding before she puts him in the shower? Not a chance. There is blood all over that bathroom floor, on the carpet. Everywhere she stepped, INEVITABLY some red would have gotten on the bottom of her socks. Had she gone anywhere outside of the bathroom, a red trace of some kind would have been left on the white bedroom carpet or on the stairway.

    Does she put him in the shower and then gather up all the bedding and take it down for the first load? Same problem. How does she not leave some kind of a footprint. Does she take her socks off and broad jump across the area with all the stomping around? Does she sit down on the closet carpet and take her socks off, realizing she has to be so careful not to leave a trace of red anywhere in the closet? Why in the hell would she care if there was blood on the closet carpet?

    You can go through all these different scenarios inverting the sequence of how she would have had to do things. And no matter how you sequence them, she had to be back up and forth up and down those stairs. She couldn’t put the bathroom towel into the washer because it had blood on it so she had to use it to touch blood first someplace. Then the mystery of the bleach. How does it bleach a couple items and not the rest?

    When does she clean herself up and where? Again not a drop of blood anywhere in the downstairs bathroom or the stairs. Does she clean herself up first before she puts Travis in the shower? That’s preposterous, she would get all bloody again. A key mystery is, how does she get back and forth from the bathroom through the bedroom, and up and down the stairs with all the things she had to do without leaving a trace of blood anywhere except the couple specks on the washer?

    Take away the small span of time she had to do everything and I wouldn’t have any problem seeing how it could easily be done with a lot of effort.

    But with these conundrums of time, physics and reality with a 115 girl? It’s laughable. Or supernatural.

      • Yes, it would explain a lot more about improbabilities. It would still leave mysteries, for example why there isn’t a speck of blood anywhere on the shower walls or the shower glass or on the outside framework of the shower.

        It would still leave the same mysteries of why there wasn’t a trace of blood on the white carpet beyond the area where it meets the tile. Or blood on anything anywhere downstairs. Obviously blood touched or dripped from something onto the washer, but why no place else?

        People think water can wash traces of blood away. With luminol blood can be found even in shower drains. It is even found in cases where murderers try to clean up every trace with bleach.

        I have full confidence that everything she said about him throwing her down and going berserk is all true up until the shot. If she had adrenaline and became superwoman, what about him?

        Does anybody not think he wouldn’t have had adrenaline making him into a powerhouse terror if he had been shot and was being stabbed? What about his adrenaline? And he does zip?

        No, it doesn’t solve everything, but it would at least open up a few more possibilities that right now are ridiculous.

        • Thank you again Jade!
          Maybe someday Jodi will recall and release a detail that will knock over the dominoes. It would suck if Jodi is punishing herself for no reason. Until such time, I support Jodi’s choice to be responsible for this situation. It sucks for Jodi, but a DP reversal isn’t a guarantee, especially with az being involved.

    • Oh Jade you know Jodi and her magic powers!!!

      Seriously it was yet again a thought provoking post!!! Now answer one question for me please? Why the hell are we the only people that can see this??

    • Okay, so here’s my biggest problem with the defense presented. No, I’m not a criminal defense lawyer. I went to law school, but that doesn’t make me any kind of expert. Experience is what makes a lawyer an expert. I don’t have that. But, law school teaches you to “think like a lawyer” and so that’s ALL I have to offer when I comment here. I never took, failed or passed any state’s bar exam. Pro se or under power of attorney, I have won several cases, but not one for capital punishment. I’m not a practicing lawyer and never was. I’m a woman who was an author, a motivational speaker, and a very successful business owner. I was also an abused woman trapped in an abusive marriage for 10 years that I could talk about for hours on end, if anyone was interested, but they’re not. Today, I’m just an employee and happy with the work I do, as I rebuild my life as best I can. That’s who I am. Who are YOU?

      That being said, yes, the “bookends” have always been the problem. Think about it. In less than 40 minutes, Jodi killed Travis, stabbed him a whole bunch of times, slit his throat, dragged him down the hallway and back, and then, cleaned up the mess. And get this, she even cleaned up his blood, took a shower herself, did a load of laundry, put that in the dryer and did another load in the washer, and put up the doggie door. Damn, I’ve never heard of adrenaline like that unless it’s The Flash.

      • I agree with you about the bedding being done earlier in the day. I might also buy into her throwing in another load except for the fact that that towel had too much blood on it and I’m sure it was used to try and clean up with and would have been dripping all the way down the stairs. So I asked this a few days ago…how did all the water get on the floor?

        • Everyone keeps mentioning this towel with all this blood on it. Where did you find such an animal? When they went to trial in 2013, there was one towel that had bleach stains on it along with one pair of socks that also been bleach stained. There was no mention of blood on any garments in the washing machine or the dryer during the trial by forensics examiners.

          • Bless you.

            Imaginations do run wild.

            I know Cindy is thinking that any clean up towel must be very bloody – but there’s a bit of swallowing JM’s story in presuming a cleanup. Remember, there was a sizable puddle of dried blood right in front of the linen closet, blood on the walls, blood on the sink, etc. So, what blood was cleaned up if so much was left? And why only some of it?

            As Jade pointed out on the earlier page, the water stain on the box doesn’t make sense mere inches from a clearly defined blood puddle. If water from clean up caused the stain on the box, it would have diluted the nearby puddle. The box was stained and the floor had time to dry before the blood puddle by the linen closet happened.

            • Thank you Journee. There was no blood covered towel introduced into evidence at the original trial because certainly if there had been, it would also have very telling dna on it.

    • My recollection of Jodi’s testimony is that she routinely washed TA’s bedding right after they had sex. On the 4th, that was around 1:00 – 1:30 PM. She could have washed the bedding earlier in the afternoon. Then, in her dissociative state, she threw the camera in the wash with TA’s clothes, quite likely on her way out the door. That’s the way I’ve always imagined it anyway.

      • That’s the only other possibility. That seems strange in itself. She washes the bedding but then would put the same bedding back on the bed? If she was that conscientious, why doesn’t she get some sheets and whatever else from the linen closet and put new ones on the bed? I would think he would have more than one set of sheets. He had 50 pair of shoes.

        Martinez made it part of her plan to remove any sign of her DNA after the well executed plan.

        His white religious garments were in the washing machine too. What reason would she have to throw them in the washer?

        I think there was a literal frenzy of activity that made no sense at all with the brain shaft totally disconnected from the hippocampus and not with any cohesive thought. Or else there is more to the story with the mystery 5 days that nobody knows what the hell was going on.

        • And I’ll play devil’s advocate with myself.

          If she had put the bed articles in the washer after they had sex, and DIDN’T put on fresh new bedding from the linen closet, that’s a pretty good indication that she intended to put the cleaned bedding BACK on the bed.

          And then guess what, there goes that desperado murder plan again. Unless that was all part of her plan to have sex, wash the bedding and think that would eliminate every trace of her DNA and then we’re in Alfred Hitchcock territory. Her DNA would be all over the house. Fingerprints too.

          Alfred would have jumped on this.

          • I never thought it had to do with DNA. For a guy like TA who was a neat freak and was doing it with multiple women, it only makes sense that he would instruct his housekeeper to strip his bed immediately after sex, particularly when he was supposed to be a virgin.

            The camera in the washing machine with TA’s magic underwear is a very strong indicator of her state of mind for me and I believe her psyche was trying to wash away all the sex and lies and terror. It was an illogical act done in her state of dissociation IMHO.

    • Jade. I believe that Jodi put the sheets and things from the bed in the washer after they had sex , not at the end of the day. They then went into his office to try to get some pictures off some cds she had but his computer was virused and would not do the chore so he got mad. He even threw the cds. She appeased him by allowing him to bend her over the desk and taking her roughly, anally. He then told her to go clean herself up. By that time, the sheets would have been washed and she would have put them in the dryer to dry.
      She then convinced him to go upstairs and take pictures in the shower using his camera. She took a bunch of pictures but then she dropped the camera and he came barrelling out of the shower after her for dropping the camera. Nowhere did she ever state he turned off the water in the shower when he came out after her. She said he bodyslammed her and she rolled out and ran into the closet, where she grabbed a gun from the top shelf. If the shower door was open, and water was running, it would be all over the floor in a short time. The camera was on the floor. I figure this is where the water damage happened to the camera. I have no idea when the shower got turned off. It was never mentioned.I think it was an important detail to be left out in such a way.
      The water was never turned on in the washing machine again or TA’s tidy whiteys would not have remained white with all the dark stuff that was in the washer with it.

      • There were other things in the dryer too:

        A pair of his shorts, a towel, a T-shirt, 6 pillow cases.

        It’s hard to know when those items went in the washer because how would a towel and his T-shirt end up in it? And why would the pillow cases be washed just because they had sex? Then there were more of the same in the washer when they found it…towel, t-shirt, shorts.

        Also the water had to be turned on in the washer because it interacted with the bleach somehow. The towel was laying on the top on the right hand side but other articles were under it that had some evidence of bleach. It wouldn’t have made any sense just to pour some bleach in the washer. What would that accomplish?

        https://youtu.be/m4WJfUlSf0g?t=5960

        As to the shower, I don’t think the shower would have flooded the floor because they had the shower door open for the pics (I’m not so sure it was open at the time they claimed she stabbed him in the heart). If the shower head had been turned so that water would shower the floor, Jodi would have been getting wet when she was taking the pictures. Almost certainly the shower head was focused just so that almost all the water would shower on him.

        The riser would have prevented water from flowing out onto the floor. Besides the blood pools weren’t diluted nearly enough to account for ANY kind of flooding on the floor.

        Every question just produces more mysteries.

  50. I have a statement to make too today (not just Pandora)! LOL

    Back during the trial in 2013, I was a pretty prolific poster on this site. I had a lot to say about abusive relationships and various legal issues (I still do!). On the legal issues, Al and I had some rather epic debates (okay, only “epic” in the minds of JAII posters, that is true), but since we were posting during an active trial, and many responded, I think we helped people a little). But, back then, I had such low self esteem that I didn’t even think I was “helpful.” I thought I was a hindrance. Sometimes, I almost felt “dirty” for posting here and posting about the various legal issues. I didn’t feel “dirty” because of this case; but perhaps because I was disagreeing with some other prolific posters (strangely enough, many of them stopped posting a couple of years ago).

    Since 2013, I’ve been through a LOT of major changes in my life. Wanna talk about a corrupt judge in my own divorce case? We could talk about that for hours. Wanna talk about a divorce where unless I provided my ex — who was under criminal charges for aggravated assault with intent to kill me — with my home AND work address in another state where I fled to keep myself alive, I was thrown out of my OWN divorce? I could do that, and give you so much information, your head would spin. But well, that’s not popular news, is it? My case was never popular. No one died — but they could have. I almost got killed. You guys might be talking about me right now, except for a split second in time. And that’s all it really takes. Profound, really.

    Fast forward to today: I’m not scared of anyone anymore. Come get me, if you can. But you gotta find me first, and well, that’s not going to be easy for you. So, have at it. Have fun. And be sure that I will have even more blocking you at every twist and turn. My expert bastard of an ex made me an expert at this. And you have NOTHING on me. NOTHING. Try to use anything I’ve ever said in a court of law. I went to law school. You don’t scare me at all. Hahahaha

    So, if you used to pretend to be my friend and a Jodi supporter and you have since changed your mind and now try to threaten me and give other people my number, have at it. When I stopped posting here, there were 3 people who had my number. I changed it. And there is only 1 person who had it since then. So, who did this? LOL I find it comical to be honest. Oh, you know my real name. Wow! Thousands of people know my name — actually, I was a published author. I’m sure many could look that up. And I sang on a few albums of famous people (backing vocals), but that could be looked up too. Some of these folks are celebrities (wanna stalk them? Meet their lawyers!) and some disagree about Jodi. But I’m not a wallflower anymore, or an abused wife. I got my life back, and with that, came my previous connections. So, sure, threaten all you would like. You got me to stop posting once before. What did that get you?

    Yes, I post here again. And I’m really grateful that SJ allowed me to. I’m not a “Jodi-lover” but I support justice and I don’t think Jodi had anything remotely close to justice (and yes, I went to law school in the US — a really good law school too, by the way). But seriously, does anything I post (or any of my debates with Al) really threaten you so much that you have to threaten me? You think you’re funny today. Well, you’re not really, but I did laugh. That was hysterical because I laughed at your stupidity. It’s not 2013. You can’t threaten me like that anymore. Hahahahaha I’m me. Wanna know my name? Ask me — but not in text. Come meet me! Let’s talk.

      • Thank you sweet Cindy. I simply adore you. We really have to find a way to become friends outside of here.

        Today, they can harass me all they want. It’s only funny to you and I. They really should contact my ex and tell him that I support Jodi Arias or whatever they want to say and I wonder why they don’t? Do they need me to give them his address? Let my ex pay his lawyer some legal fees to tell him, oh sorry, there’s nothing we can do about her posting on a forum. LOL His lawyer left him in his most recent endeavours anyway, and he had to find a new one. I think it’s hysterical that even his own ass-rat-faced lawyer — the one who harassed me 35 times per day and reminds me of JM — gave up on him. That unethical bastard had come close to losing his license a bunch of times, but I guess my ex couldn’t even persuade him to take the unethical BS further. Most lawyers will only go so far, after all. And for his lawyer, 30+ emails between midnight and 5 a.m. was probably enough. He never actually threatened me, per the police here. He just kindly reminded me I knew what my ex was capable of and what he would do to me: MURDER. And yet, my ex walks around today in society, collecting women.

        • Yup they do tend to collect women don’t they!! LOL. You my dear have come a long way in the past few years!!! I’m very proud of you!!! I have always respected your knowledge that you bring to this table. Not that I always wanted to hear the truth…lol.

        • You go girl !! I guess you need to tell your harassers:

          “…you’ve got to ask yourself one question: ‘Do I feel lucky?’ Well, do ya, punk?”

          Dirty Harry

      • I guess you’re not on FB, Cindy. I looked. SJ or the admins are MORE than welcome to give you my email address. Al and I said this last weekend though, and nothing happened, so they might be behind.

        • And they are more then welcome to give you mine. Oh BTW I am on fb. But I learned last time around to do some creative thinking and no one that I don’t want to find me will be able to. I also have a past. I only use it to see pictures of my family. The kids!!! Never post.

    • I agree with everything you said especially that Jodi did not get a fair trial. I think this coverup runs really deep and there are some people in high places involved. Just to add to that, there are PI’s (from every direction) looking into all kinds of things surrounding all the names brought up and even those left out. The truth will come out. They screwed up and they know it. Their lives as they know it are about to be turned upside down. There were alot of very scared people but they are getting themselves secured and will tell when the time is right.

  51. Another thing that strikes me as just a little odd…

    The last outgoing or incoming call on his phone that was apparently *answered* was at 12:13 (or just after noon) on the 4th. But there were OTHER incoming calls and text messages into the phone that were never answered.

    Why would he not answer the phone just because he was with Jodi? Or not even do a quick text back to somebody? He wouldn’t have to say anything about her being there. That was 5 hours before they started the picture taking in the shower, that he hadn’t answered his phone. And as popular as he was supposed to be, there were probably a number of calls. Especially with the Cancun trip just days away. Why didn’t he just pick up the phone the entire five hours?

    Just seems odd to me.

    • Jade your mind is spinning isn’t it? I was thinking about Jodi getting him in the shower. Your right any of us could most likely do it if given the time. He sure would be slippery though. OK that was a bit cold on my part but was just making a point. So I’m going to agree that JM did box himself into a corner with those bogus timestamps.

  52. Just a few random thoughts before the big day tomorrow:

    -Reportedly, Chris & Sky Hughes have said that they tried to warn Jodi about Travis, even going so far as to say that he’d wind up dead. Travis supposedly laughed it off and told them “Jodi couldn’t hurt anyone.” Now, either Chris & Sky made up this story, which is possible, or they were telling the truth and Travis was giving an honest answer, for once.

    -Many people against Jodi Arias keep harping on the fact that A) she wasted taxpayer dollars with this trial B) she does so many interviews on TV and is constantly looking to get attention from the media. Okay, first point: the prosecution and the family of Travis Alexander could have avoided a retrial had they left it up to Judge Stephens to render her decision as of the fate of Jodi Arias two years ago. They chose not to go that route and pushed for a retrial. They got one. And a SECOND hung jury verdict was the result as a jury yet again was deadlocked. How is that Jodi’s fault? And as for her doing interviews, it would have been nice if more members of her family or her circle of friends would have came out and appeared on various television networks to give their support. My suspicion is that they declined out of fear and that left Jodi to be the one to defend herself which is what she did. And considering that the prosecution and Travis’s family had a multitude of personalities that appeared on HLN and other networks to promote their agenda that dwarfed the appearances of Jodi Arias, I don’t want to hear it.

    -Jodi Arias supporters have been criticized for not taking this trial seriously and/or being insensitive to the fact that someone was murdered violently. Just who exactly are they talking about? If memory serves, it was prosecution supporters who were standing outside of the courtroom, holding placards and posters of Travis and Juan and behaving as if they were fans about to attend a concert. They referred to Juan Martinez as a “rock star” attorney and had him sign autographs, pose for pictures, etc. We didn’t see any of that with Kirk Nurmi and Jennifer Willmott. The mood of the majority of Jodi supporters throughout this trial has been solemn, not celebratory.

    -The harassment of Juror #17 and any other man or woman who either supports Jodi Arias or is in favor of her getting life in prison versus the death penalty is unconscionable and inexcusable. Those who have participated in such behavior should be ashamed of themselves and those who stood by while it was happening and did nothing about it are equally complicit. Juror #17 did not say that Jodi Arias should go away unpunished. All she said was that she didn’t believe in her getting the death penalty. She would rather see Jodi get a life in prison sentence versus a death penalty sentence. And, this woman is allowed to express this opinion or belief without having to live in fear of reprisals because she dared to take a most unpopular position. Yet, as a great man once said, what is right isn’t always popular and what is popular isn’t always right.

    -It occurs to me that there has been a well-orchestrated, concerted effort on behalf of either the prosecution or certain associates of Travis Alexander to censor any form of expression on social media that shows support for Jodi Arias. Witnesseth the recent events where certain Facebook pages were hijacked and Jodi supporters were left to find new forums for discussion of this trial. My question is why do these people feel such a need to seek and destroy each and every new pro-Jodi page or profile on social media? Are these people afraid of something? What exactly could they be afraid of? My guess is that it’s the truth. They don’t want the truth getting out about what really happened which is why they so vociferously stalk and monitor said pages and profiles. Nice try, but the truth is already out there and will eventually find its way to many more people interested in discussing this trial.

  53. Just for anyone one who are interested…three of TA’s favourite books were “How to Win Friends & Influence People”, “Think & Grow Rich” & The Greatest Salesman in the World”…reading these didn’t do him a lot of good, did it?!

    When I said Travis was treble Jodi’s weight in an earlier comment I was talking more (Tongue in Cheek) actual weight Travis was 185 lbs. approx., Jodi’s weight 125 lbs. approx. in 2008. A sizeable difference. As re; Jodi’s silence… it was fear in the first instance of lying, probably from the shame of her family/loved ones getting to find out what she was involved in especially when she hadn’t a single bad mark against her law-wise before that. When you start a lie it’s very hard to stop building the lie & Flore’s didn’t help the situation by slyly teasing the lie/s out like a friend encouraging while at the same time setting a trap for her to fall into, because he had already heard the gossip from the friends (really bad friends) who had framed her for it, whether she done it or not. Being not wise to such a situation before she would never know or probably wouldn’t even think the damage her chats with Flores were doing to her & would never think of speaking without having a lawyer present first.

    Her other fear was the media getting hold of the story & for her & her family being plastered all over the TV/Press again that would have caused great shame. And even in the interview when she went to her local police station for an interview with Flores & the other detective she (even with the scale of things facing her, jail & more) she was more worried about her family & her mother in particular, even Flores said it back, that with all she’s facing she seems only to be worried about her family’s welfare.

    There is questions then why would she stay quiet? If things are different than what we believe them to be? & if even others were involved or that (maybe) she only shot this person now deceased & ran from the house only for others to finish the job, we will never know the real answer to that? She knows all the facts as they happened (what ever they were) & even if she were to the truth now, the real truth, who would believe her? We would, but those that hate her & those that put her where she is now would never believe her (not even if God above came down and told them she is telling the truth). We all know she must have been in great shock for the time after incident to the time she was arrested. She said she continued life as normal going to work, etc. but she must have been in two bodies literally through that time, one the normal person…& the other the person who was carrying such a weight on her shoulder. Today Monday, another twist will to the (her story) will come about when she will be sentenced to whatever this biased Judge see fits to give her. And the mobs, the media, the public haters, the state haters & even the worse haters, the Mormons, will be salivating at the mouth still wanting to put her to death. Reminds me of Pontius Pilate throwing Christ over to the Romans to be crucified.

    Whatever happens today, Monday? Jodi should be on the outside & free & not in front of an idiotic Judge who’s trying to score points & lift herself to be elected in some form or another to some office or another to be a bigger disgrace to the decent people of Arizona, the same regards Martinez, oh & they’ll both have books to sell after today, so the better job they do with this innocent defender for the haters then the more books they’ll sell to the haters. This case & all that happened & didn’t happen in it (the truth) was a shambolic disgrace & an insult to all those people who fight for true justice everyday. The sentence, what ever sentence she metes out to Jodi will be the wrong…for the only sentence which is proper to hand down is that Jodi be acquitted of all charges & be handed over to her family with police protection to boot. That’s the only true sentence warranted for this defendant…nothing more – nothing less.

    John 7:24 Do not judge by appearances, but judge with right judgment.”

    Do you hear me, Judge Stephens?

  54. Perhaps Monday, 4/13/2015, will not be the end, …nor the beginning of the end, of the Jodi Ann Arias trials and retrials. …And, as Winston Churchill once said in his comment on the early phase of WW2:
    …”But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning.” …
    …At my present age74, I was in my early twenties, in the Air Force & in a movie theater on an air base in Europe watching a movie called: “Judgement at Nuremberg”. …It is a 1961 documentary film of how the (existing at that time) Criminal Justice System of Germany was taken over by the NAZI occupation of the country. …Probably starting with the burning of the Reichstag & blaming it on an unemployed young Dutch communist. …They say he confessed but was he a “patsy”? …Was he a “patsy” like Lee Harvey Oswald”?
    …So, the NAZIS went after the communists, then the Jews, then other groups & etc.
    …I remember how effective movies were in presenting documentaries of history, when I was young & there were no computers, no emails, no texting, no cell phones, no caller ID, no GPS tracking, no use of DNA & nothing but “I Love Lucy ” programs on television. …I remember only one TV channel in New Orleans with only 15 or 30 minutes of national/international news. …Then, back to one channel, of “situation comedy” programs & cowboy shows. …The news media could say anything they wanted. …That was in the 1950’s & 60’s in USA. …There was no online Google to question the news.
    …But, go back further & realize that in the 1930’s it was the NAZI radio broadcasts which controlled the propaganda news.
    …Whoever controlled the news media (in USA), should not be protected from their own purposeful inaccuracies by saying it is freedom of the press. …(IMHO).
    …That evening in Europe, in 1963, I remember watching that movie & thinking “that is how a country like Germany was taken over, by FIRST taking over their Justice System.
    …Half way through the movie, the lights came on, and the movie stopped. …I looked back & a military officer said in a loud voice: ….. “Listen up!!! …The President of the United States, John Fitzgerald Kennedy, while riding in a motorcade, in Dallas, Texas, today, was shot. …the President is now dead, …that is all”. …!!!!
    …And, most of the world believed that the news media & press at that time told the whole & complete truth, that it was a lone nut gunman from New Orleans. …I was born in New Orleans & I was near the same age as Lee Oswald & I was very interested in the subject, but all we had was what was spoon fed to the world about what would be written in history. …
    …When the movie “JFK”, (1991), was released I really felt that was the greatest movie, because it questioned the time-line of the evidence that the news media had presented in order to persuade the public that it was a “done deal” … one lone nut & nobody else involved. …
    …But was it much more than that??? ….Of course it was but it took America over 50 years to start realizing that the news media ((wants to become almost another department of our government)), in my opinion. …In other words: cheerleaders for convicting almost everyone who is arrested.
    …I truly believe that these Jodi Ann Arias trials & retrials will mark the beginning of a total investigation of how the connections that the news media, TV, Print & etc, favors one direction of explanation of high profile events & seems to scratch each others backs by “almost never criticizing each other”. …Why is that? …Isn’t that propaganda?
    …I remember seeing the replays of Oswald saying: that he was a “patsy” and I believed those words were as true as the first words by Jodi Arias saying that two intruders were there. …I believe that (((she truly believed))) there were intruders but was (((persuaded to change her story))). …
    …I hope & pray to St Joan of Arc, the Guardian Angel of Jodi Ann Arias, to inspire a quality of movie makers to create a (((series of documentary movies))) that will present the prosecution’s time lines and show to the majority of Americans that the prosecution’s time line is ((impossible)) for Jodi to have done all those things in that short time of about 40 minutes, as it is described upthread.
    …Or, the time stamps were manipulated. …In either event, I believe Jodi was convicted because she was made to be the “patsy”.
    …A documentary movie like JFK, is needed, but an unlimited series of documentaries & call the series perhaps: JAA, 1,2,3, etc. …((99% of all the information is online like this & other websites)).

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