The Missing Memory Card & Bathroom Photographs (Revisited)

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With breaking news (related to Jodi) being somewhat of a rare commodity for now, I decided to re-run one of my posts from March 2016. It’s the post featuring the mysterious missing memory card, and the equally mysterious bathroom photos which Flores directly referenced – even though nobody has ever seen them.

Here’s the re-post:

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Check out this picture of the camera found in the washing machine. This was taken before the “official” crime scene pics & numbered evidence markers were added.

Note that the memory card is actually IN the camera, next to the battery, (indicated by the arrow):


And here’s the official crime scene photograph of the camera in the washing machine, from a different angle:

camera-pic 2

There are some obvious differences between the 2 photographs.

Now, here’s where it gets interesting.

Heather Connor testified that the memory card was found separate to the camera at the bottom of the washing machine. Based solely on the photographs alone, that’s simply not the case. The memory card is clearly visible in the camera in the first photograph.

Click the pic below to see the clip of Heather Connor’s testimony (on YouTube), where she clearly states: “There was a memory card in the washing machine that was also collected”:

heather connor 1

When Detective Melendez testified, he stated that the memory card was already IN the camera when he received it… which ties in with the picture at the top of this page.

Click the pic below to see the clip of Melendez’ testimony (on YouTube):

melendez 1

Now, if (as Heather Connor testified) there was a card found separate to the camera… that would mean there were actually 2 cards found in the washing machine that day… although only the 1 card ever gets mentioned and brought into trial, namely Exhibit #215 as referenced in both video clips above.

That’s the blue SD card where all the “deleted images” were supposedly extracted from:

Sony Duo SD memory card Exhibit 215

So… if there were 2 cards, that raises the questions of what happened to the OTHER card, and (more importantly) what exactly was on it?

In addition to that, TA’s camera used a proprietary Sony DuoPro Memory Stick (seen on the left in the pic below), which is somewhat thinner, rectangular, and has notches for locking the data contained on it.

Here’s a side-by-side comparison of both cards:

Sony duo pro & blue SD card

Here’s what all that means:

The blue SD memory card (Exhibit #215, as presented during the trial and pictured in the plastic evidence packet above) CANNOT and DOES NOT fit inside the camera that was found in the washing machine.

Personally, I believe someone (most probably Flores) viewed images from both cards that were found in the washing machine, then selected images were put together (and date/time stamps ADDED), all prior to the camera being handed over to Melendez… with the Sony DuoPro Memory Stick card in it. (Remember – the camera wasn’t technically able to add time & date stamps to the photographs, therefore any date/time stamps were added afterwards.)

So what about the “missing” photographs?

By “missing” photographs I mean the ones that Flores saw (on one of the memory cards) but deliberately withheld from evidence, for reasons I’ll cover shortly.

Here’s an excerpt from Flores’ Probable Cause Report (from 2008):

Flores quote mesa police probable cause report 2008

Here’s what it says:

On 6-19-08 I received the images located on the memory card found in Travis’ digital camera. The digital card had several pictures on it including some, which had been deleted. The deleted pictures were of Travis naked in the shower, just before his death. The first one was time stamped on 6-04-08 at 1722 hours. There were several pictures of Travis as he was clearly posing for the camera. The last picture taken of Travis alive was at 1730 hours. Some of the following pictures were of a subject on the floor of the bathroom bleeding profusely.”

Did anyone see any photographs of anyone on the floor of the bathroom bleeding profusely?

No we didn’t… and nor did anyone else.

Setting aside the fact that Flores is a lying bastard at the best of times — (which is why he got demoted immediately after the trial) — he saw those bathroom pics, even though he couldn’t (for whatever reason) identify whoever was “bleeding profusely” on the bathroom floor. What’s more, he even made direct reference to the photographs in his Report. Therefore, the pics exist – or at least they did exist until Kermit got himself involved and had Flores lose them.

So WHAT exactly did those bathroom photographs depict?

More importantly, WHY did those specific photographs never get brought into evidence?

Let me also clarify something here. This post is not intended to contradict Jodi’s testimony or her account of TA’s unprovoked attack. It is solely intended to highlight the fact that Flores & Kermit saw the additional bathroom photographs, but then ultimately decided it would be in their best interests to exclude them from evidence as it didn’t quite fit with their M.O.

Logic dictates that the photographs probably validate Jodi’s testimony regarding the sequence of events — hence the exclusion. This of course is the same sequence of events that Flores gave 3 different versions of under oath.

For anyone thinking the camera & memory card stuff is old hat, it’s not. Why? Because if there were 2 memory cards in the washing machine — and the photographs & testimonies certainly confirm that to be the case — that means the other (2nd) memory card (and all its contents) was deliberately concealed and/or disposed of… which is not too dissimilar to what happened to all the phone SIM cards, and the all the child porn images found on TA’s laptop.

So while many people may think this case is over and done with… nothing could be further from the truth. There’s still a long way to go.

And when “Kermit’s House Of Cards” finally comes crashing down, it’s gonna take a lot of people down with it… including Chris Hughes.

When that happens, you can be sure the pedo-huggers & necrophilia enthusiasts will NOT be happy.

But we will be.

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UPDATE: The JAA Appellate Fund total currently stands at $105,314.15 — so let’s be sure to keep the momentum rolling throughout 2017, so the fund total can push on towards the ultimate target of $250,000. That in turn will help towards covering all the legal fees associated with appealing Jodi’s wrongful conviction.

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    • Just because I haven’t been around for a while doesn’t mean I’ve lost interest or not being supportive. Jodi IS my friend and I will always have her back!

      Sometimes not being public just means that some things are being handled and managed behind ‘the scenes’. Not everything we do to help with Jodi’s appeal can be publicized (for obvious legal reasons). So next time I’m away for a while rest assure that I’m actually working on some important project for Jodi’s benefit! 😉

      Hi there R! ♥

      (((((JAII)))) ♥
      ((((Jodi))))) ♥
      ((((R.Love)))) ♥

      • Nobody can EVER accuse you of lacking interest or not being supportive!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
        Good luck on your projects… wish I could help!!!!! 🙂

  2. So a hater asked why did the worm nurmi not have X-rays taken of her finger… it’s nurmi! But did the rat not claim no way that finger was ever broken in this photo of Jodi and her sis….not broken to the rats eyes soon up came Jennifer to prove how it was…Looks broken and bent in two spots…in line and to the side. But trust me on the x-ray thing…..I have had a few on my neck..100+ to find a second broken neck…They took over 5 hr.s to do 75…then off to the mainland to do another 25 and then off to Our main hospital to do even more but seems as i climbed over a fence to get to the E.R ( We could not find that street in there!) i believe they though why any more X-rays on him. So even after many X-rays even the Dr.s had a hard time seeing a break among the mess….to this day no one knows if it was C-1 or C-2 or both and how many times my neck was broken as it may have been broken as a child of 12 when i was pushed off a railing and planted face first at a 45 o angle…One has to be an expert to read such X-rays. And who would trust any Dr. via the state. If tiny wants an X-ray he will get as the state can do as the please with P’s remember that BELT She had to wear as well as the leg hobble….now imagine when on the stand if for any reason that belt was used… allow such in a court of law means there is no justice joes rules end at the courts doorway….that is how true courts work…states should try to control the U.S.S.C. and see how they react. All an X-ray will prove that her finger was broken…but it would make one wonder how….as her abuser was trying to kick Her in the head and She tried to protect Herself? And then one must wonder why he has no real wounds on his forearms or big cuts on his hands a true sign of self defense…unlike a few small cuts as if he tried to take away the knife She held on him to keep him back. Now why would he kick Her?…well why would he rave on about 12 yr. olds??? he was true evil…We know this from his own mouth.

  3. So why would the state take 36 days to go and arrest Her”’seems during trial She was made out to be very dangerous. What took them so long….gee a person can be arrested for having no I.D. in most states. Did the state need all that time …and what were they up to? For a person so guilty as a judge stated so why was She still there trying to get on with her life. The rat told the world She had planned it from the start but not the get away…does that stand to reason. She knew that what happened was not looking good…a person had died…now the system would judge Her…sooner or later, and as they pleased…facts?reason? logic? hell no just hate ! vile! and lies! When i hear any speaking of trusting the system i wonder do they know how the system can and does work…not so good at times. Did the state need 36 days to build a case that was all over the place…1 st. now must be last….porn what porn,oh that porn. Look how easy a shelf can tilt as hln showed Her truth. As I watched the Hln shows all I could see was a lot of folks saying the same old lines as if they were TOLD to. Yes at one time She lied about what happened that day…but on the stand her words held up as the states did not time n time again. The mob lied to destroy Her as did the state. This is justice? Was the case that weak….seems both juries thought so. In their mind She should have just run…see Ed Gavagan live at the Moth Drowning on Sullivan st……Ed only runs after His attackers run to do otherwise would have put Him at risk of death. Ed took a hit to His vena cava and then ran…and lived. Up to the slash on t-dogs neck there is little chance he would have died if he had stopped his attack..but if She had not defended her self he would have won. That’s how real fights work…until the attacker is stopped or stops You do not stop the defense. A real fight is not as MMA….far from it.

    • Wonderful to see it moving in the right direction again!!!!!
      Let’s shoot towards $3,000. a month!!!! IT CAN BE DONE!!!!
      Together TEAM JODI will prove it!!!!! ♥ Thank you SJ

  4. Back to a previous thought, does anybody know if the photos on the second hard drive would be admissible if they were able to be/already have been obtained from that drive?
    Would they be considered “new” evidence” by AZ discovery rules?

    • If those photos are related to this case I’d imagine that they would be considered ‘new evidence’. Let’s not forget that it took almost 7 years for those porn sites and pics to come into light. If Bryan Neumeister was not hired by Jodi, Martinez would have gotten away with another one of his corrupted attempts to withhold evidence. 😉

      • This is what has me confused? The drive was known according to Jodi and was in the list of evidence but was unable to be accessed. Jodi does not give reasoning for why the drive wasn’t pursued harder. Does AZ law of discovery count images not able to be accessed at time of trial or retrial as new evidence as an appeal?
        As I have said, Jodi seemed to place a good amount of emphasis on the contents of that drive. The photos would absolutely corroborate her statements about not being involved in the burglary, not to mention that Yreka didn’t charge her anyway. Also, the strong possibility that some of her selfies from that trip would also show possible bruises that TA caused which destroys ALL of JM’s premeditation arguments including the knife. As we all know, the knife was a “weapon of opportunity” since it was already upstairs. The struggle itself to me is much more clear cut because of all the stipulations that have been made since.

  5. Since the end of the sentencing phase, much has happened: To all of our surprise, justice actually worked in Jodi’s favor when both Martinez and Nurmi were held accountable for their bullshittery books. During Jodi’s trials we saw that the justice system turned not one but two blind eyes to all the corruption and misconduct taking place. So hopefully, all this will work in favor for Jodi when her appeals are heard. So whoever thinks that this is the end of the Jodi Arias Saga, is mistaken. It has not even began! 😉
    justice for Jodi is on it’s way. Mark my words (as SJ says) !

  6. For the records, all these things that were not thoroughly investigated (missing sim and memory cards, etc), will be reviewed again. Especially now since Martinez is under severe investigation for all his history of corruption and misconduct.


  7. Yes, Yes, Yes!!! I believe everyone who had anything to do with deleting, withholding and altering evidence is still in a heap of trouble. Hopefully, the wheels of TRUE JUSTICE are FINALLY starting to roll towards for FREEDOM for JODI!!! ♥
    (((((((TEAM JODI ♥ FREE JODI)))))))) Can’t wait to see some more eye rolling……. 🙂

      • I knew you were here ♥Vicky♥! Jodi has connected us all . . . our extended family!
        NEVER MESS with OUR Family!!!!! (((((((TEAM JODI)))))))
        OH Janet, I agree with you. We all knew what the Frog was about . . . he was obvious in his treachery BUT Nurmi he was a disgusting embarrassment to the Justice System in America. smh 🙁

  8. I will admit that the crime scene photographs are one of the areas that I do not consider myself as knowledgeable. Other than the obvious ones that the whole world has seen over and over again. I am still stunned that pertinent evidence such as photographs can be misplaced by the prosecution and NOT cause them to be disbarred. This extends to Judge Pickles who seemed to allow this crap to keep going. I didn’t even know who Bryan Neumeister was until I looked him up.

  9. Even though the frog did his wicked deeds, i was not as mad and hurt as i was by him as much as i was by Nurmi, We knew who s side the frog was on , but Nurmi was her counsel, the one she relied on , the one she put all her hopes on , whom she confided in , he knew who she truly was , but never fully protected her , and in the end he betrayed her , and left her standing in front of the judge and had the nerve to say “she’s not communicating with her so it justify’s him to walk out on her ..thank God for Jennifer who stood by here side right till the end

    • I agree totally Janet! As I had said before, Jodi had several setbacks when it came to Nurmi. First, he was a sex crimes specialist.. HE HAD NO MURDER EXPERIENCE!!!. Second, Nurmi started to see where the case was going and the publicity that was coming with it and he decided to bail. Who knows who Jodi would have got as a substitute??? The fact that he flushed his own career as a result of the book proves to me that he wanted to get out. In addition, I don’t think he could deal with a client who was willing to question his tactics when it came to her defense which is what any defendant is supposed to do… be involved in one’s defense! Finally, her unlucky draw of the most inexperienced judge in AZ criminal history didn’t help.

  10. So why is the camera so important as the memory card…s. Odd how the states side claims there were two …their own words by mistake as they kept talking…happens a lot in this case…first is last then he was shot here or there…who knows? well she knows as She shot him…but who would believe her and her lies…so with that logic no even the state believed She shot him…so did he shoot himself??? as he wanted to? See how easy that was to twist and i’m not even a lawyer! When it suits them then the state believes her just for the win. Facts who needs facts when ya own the system. But if she was on a MISSION then why ever take and photos…just say no!….or way leave the camera….take it with You. Knowing t-dog he may have pawned it for $ or given it back as he might have gotten a loan of it or the $. For a well off guy he was not to well off…..But to leave a record of what went on…death or no death. All She had to do was remove the card…s and that is it. No record. as for time stamps from what i hear that camera could not do that…but even if it could how easy is it to print photos with out them….and then put them on…wondering? Now some would say that would never happen, BUT look to that rather dark photo where it is claimed She is slashing his throat….WOW if You can see any of that You are very good and very ill. No why any can tell who they are or where they are or just what is going on…NO WAY! But a jury saw something…Ya think? They saw another chance to get revenge on Her for a saint…once LUKE was a saint…what saint speaks of children as that thing did? Odd hoe when police lose things in evidence most are so ready to call it an accident or an opps moment. But God help the defendant is they did the exact same. Notice how the camera has been moved…was it a cover shoot for …How to WIN at any COST…monthly. When only one side has the evidence they must guard it with all care or the question must be asked…just what are you up to and why?…

    • Sadly funny, it was apparent to all of us how important the camera was in the trial when the Frog took it and threw it to the floor only to bring more damage to it. He was threatened about something very important about that camera and wanted to make sure it didn’t work again. WE ALL KNEW WHAT HE WAS UP TO AND WHY. Question was: WHY wasn’t the judge alarmed by his shenanigans? He was able to do anything withhold evidence and then destroy it under the nose of that so-called judge. What did he hold over this judge’s head to make her look the other way time after time? There must be some really dirty secrets in the closets of that court house…….
      then there is the problem with the memory/sim cards (whatever they are called) not fitting that particular camera (if I remember correctly)….. If I had been on the jury or if I had been the judge I would have had to think that little problem over thousands of times before I believed anything out of the mouth of that FROG! Things that just make me wonder……

      • OOPS, I needed a refresher should have read the repost! Ok one fit the camera but one didn’t.?. And yes, Flores appears to be as dirty as Martinez. smh
        They all seemed very zeroed in on hiding the pedo problems TA was hiding. Maybe they all shared in the same extracurricular activities TA did.
        The Veil of Deception is massive!

    • Was this in any way JA’s MO? Taking nude pictures ? The search warrants from the 3 houses didn’t seem to produce any nude photos, only what was on TA’s computer. I mean why take the pictures if you intend to delete them and why the dead body picture in the shower unless you intend to keep it?? So may question and so few answers.

      • No, it was not Jodi’s MO. She did the pictures only for the Great Saintly (LOL) Travis Alexander who apparently thrived on porn and kiddie porn. Jodi loved him and tried in everyway to please him. Jodi also tried to protect his precious reputation even if it meant losing her freedom. Travis owes his family and the Frog for his TRUE character being brought out into the attention of EVERYONE!!! If the State had accepted the plea when Jodi tried, NO ONE would have ever known HOW TRULY AWFUL HE WAS!

        • My take on the plea was if the state didn’t take it KN was going to drag the LDS poster boy thru the mud but then he backed off with one hell of a big pay increase.

          • Jodi’s MO was pure and simple! She wanted to love TA and when TA proved that he was a “T-dog”, she got away from him. The irony of that was the apparent agreement that he was going to come see her in California later on. Jodi had said that ALL of the photos were his idea as she had never done that with anybody else. TA was so into himself and his workouts that he wanted all of this visual confirmation of his “Men’s Bodybuilding” workouts!!
            Regarding KN, Jodi has said that they had no choice but to “rip the lid off” when JM refused her plea offer. However, as the case went on, KN got overwhelmed considering he was a sex crimes guy and he wasn’t used to a defendant who was very involved in her case who KNEW she was right and was willing to question him. With all of the evidence and witnesses that was never obtained or attempted to be obtained, KN should also be accused of one more thing…. FRAUD!!!!!!!!!!

      • Aliens, yeah heard that with the JAJ’s
        (Jodi Arias Jeerers). J’s for short. All started on the 911 call.

        • The same Aliens that made Ashley & Joshua commit suicide and gave the PI a fatal heart attack . Took off with all his notes on the case too.

          • Probably so. Many things were happening on that fateful day that TA died. It took “them” all 5 days to get it all set up imo. The Defective Detective Flores was an easy mark for this cult. He took their story and swallowed it hook, line and sinker. Why not? So much easier for him. What “they” didn’t count on was Jodi Arias has people who LOVE and CARE for her who were not followers of this clan. WAY HARDER to fool those that haven’t drank their Kool-Aid.

  11. Well the truth AGAIN…found in t-dogs gut was 25 ml of brown food…..OATMEAL??? Me thinks so She told the truth…..remember she said he ate oatmeal as I ate a banana. But look to another …TYPO….hole in head was 1/8 th… My math may be off BUT .25 is 1/4…twice as big as 1/8 th. And in the opening the rat called the gun a .45….now flesh may stretch at times but BONE??? Did he had a rubber head??? Remember when a person is shot up close then some powder may be embedded in the flesh or wound but in the wound it may well flow out with the blood. But very little powder in a .25 compared to other rounds as it is by far the weakest of normal rounds…a .22 l/r is some 25% more force….830 fps V 1100 fps. More close to 30%. How does a dr. claim the hole is 50% less and get away with such lies? Now if the hole was bigger then .25…that might make sense but smaller…WTF is going on in az.?

  12. Well…seems another lie from horn…claiming the …HIT to the vena cava had a …SMALL amount of blood…how can that be so…bleed outs would place a lot of blood there…remember t-dog was very alive when he took that hit….is horn really a dr. or does he play one in court or should I say is PAID for playing one…?

  13. I’m still hung up on the 911 call. Now I wasn’t there but I counted 6 people there and they told the operator 5. 3 guys and & 3 girls. None of the 6 knew Jodi’s last name and the last time they saw TA was Thursday. Miss Mimi made the call not Zach who lived there. Nothing is resolved , the whole case went that way.

  14. For $3 million+ one would think the DT could have hired a forensic pathologist to go up against Horn. The Zimmerman case DT ran 1/10 th what this one cost and Mark brought in experts on everything.

  15. Hi Billy,

    I had asked that myself especially after I watched Jodi’s interview with Troy Hayden. All of this evidence that was “left on the table” as others have said. The fact that this drive wasn’t pursued harder to try to open as well as the potential witnesses other than her sister at the monastery who possibly could corroborate her abuse claims if she did show physical bruises. Jade did such a masterful job of absolutely destroying the blood evidence that I had to really question the state of AZ.
    Wayne makes a great point on the medical examiner… a nick or HIT to the Vena Cava would cause a major spurt of blood not a trickle or small pool. I’ve bled more than this at a blood drive!!!!!!

    • Lance, I still am stuck on the 911 call behind riddled with open ends. Miss Mimi making the call, not Zach. They couldn’t count noses (they said 5 I counted 6,). No one knew Jodi’s last name but the jeering crown knew everything else about her. Then the last time they saw the LDS Poster Boy.

      • Billy,

        The 911 call is another area that I do not consider myself well read. This was only complicated by the fact that TA was headed on a trip with Mimi but wanted a quickie with Jodi before he left because Mimi didn’t play that!!
        My other issue is with the roommates. Who says that a body can’t decompose in a room temperature environment faster than 5 day? I know the roommates smelled something in that room!! they chose to ignore it! As bad as it was when he was found… how is it NOT noticeable after say… 3 days?

  16. Ed Gavagan (Live at the moth …DROWNING on SULLIVAN St.) took a direct hit to His vena cava and then ran down the street as His lungs filled with blood…..Ed lived and still does. I wonder if dr.? horn knows that case…as for the 1/8 hole…that is 1/4 of ….1/4…horn was only off by 75%. So much for an expert witness…more a paid mouth piece. Now I’am not even sure if the wound to the neck would have killed t-dog for sure…horn stated only one side of the neck had the blood flow severed…and none die from a tracheotomy do they? As long as blood flowed to the brain and he stayed down and did not move he may have been saved…but a man of wrath has a hard time staying put. 3 X’s over kill may have not even been one if a man had just stopped his attack.

    • Right on Mr Griz. That bothered me in the Zimmerman case too as the body was 6 to 8 feet from where the shot was fired that killed the victim. The pathologist for the defense stated just about what you posted . A lot can happen in the several seconds it takes to die from a fatal wound, even minutes.

  17. This 62 sec. impossible…well I for one put that to the test and did more in 42 sec’s…read much more as i knew if I could do that then any could do what was done in 62 sec. When a person fears they will be killed by a man of wrath then they do all to survive. What troubled Me in the zimmerman case was he told the police that he went after the young man…thus no stand your ground…but when juries fear the other they vote for a pass…..listen to the mob/cult/jurors in her case…it’s like they think all young ladies that have any looks are monsters…C.A….A.K……. J.A. well two now are free and We are working on that quest each day. Some push the lie that women are as dangerous as men…..well I ask this …see any proof She did ANYTHING more then was needed to stop this nutjob of a man. Just view his videos to see who he really was. Who would phone a man who just robbed them and put themself as others at risk…was getting a phone back worth such a risk? he never missed a chance to push hate on women…see t-dog in Alabama(PPL) he only talks of murder 3 X’s…so funny…NOT but so true. sooner or later some one would fight back as She did but a jury out for revenge just had to wrong Her….they took delight in that foul deed….some even got a free supper…..and a chance to party with that strange family…who invites the state to take a photo with them ….rat boy n minion… about sick.

    • A.K. took 8 years to run thru the system over there and the American version of justice isn’t all that much different. Cops, prosecutors medical examiners, and crime labs lie. The system lost all traces of integrity long ago with the Salem Witch Trials. Any perception of an impropriety ought to call for an immediate acquittal . Doesn’t have to all be like the Dylann Roof trial went but there better be little or no conflicting evidence and all T’s better be crossed and all I’s dotted if a DP conviction is sought. This instant case never came close

  18. Take a look at horns report as he states only the right side to a hit as well as the air way…but the wound on the table looks far worse then that….did horn do a little cutting on his own making the wound far worse? Seems to Me the left blood flow was not affected from what horn reports. Was he LOOKING for the bullet?

      • I really did not know how weak a .25 cal gun was until I read this case. She shot him in the temple and the bullet bounced around his face and ended up in his cheek. If this had been ANY OTHER WEAPON, this would have stopped at the other end of the closet immediately.

        • Lance that might be why the shot had to come last for the DP to have a chance. No one would premeditate a murder using a .25. Then again a stab wound to the chest would have even less a chance. Now a deep throat cut first would give you a fighting chance up against them 16 inch bicepts Hey no one could be that lucky.

          • Billy,
            The scary part about this is that ALL of the “tabloid” shows like Murder Made Me Famous and It Takes a Killer that decided to put their spin on this STILL decided to show the gunshot last as a “coup de gras” act of sheer rage… even after the reverse had been stipulated in the previous two trials. This might be one of the worst instances of the public convicting somebody in the history of criminal law.
            I was convinced last fall after reading Jade’s posts about the fatal struggle. The knife wounds were OBLIQUE! I knew what this was and it totally went against what came out of the trial and the tabloids rehash. This confirmed to me that he was on top of her and she was flailing to get him off. The small cuts on his back were absolute proof that she did not attack him from behind.
            With all of this being said, I am still in AWE of her! She might be the 1-2% of women who survive this.

  19. To me it was very odd that horn claimed only the right side han damage to the vein and artery ,no mention of the left but when viewing the wound on the table as the head is tilted back does it ever look way more deep then in the shower. And what is with that wrap around his neck in that face close up on the table.. my i remind all that is how the dead look after stewing 5 days in a room. When they uncover a person up north who was buried for awhile they have that same look. That’s how the dead look after awhile…but I’m sure the jury would not know that…just one more thing to go after her for…anything for the win. I must say horn REALLY did a JOB…..for his PAY. For any system to hold others accountable then refuse to be held accountable speaks volumes…..very strange that the powers that be in az. who knew of that show trial just said NOTHING! But when the rich have friends in the system and want an outcome at any cost.

  20. There are a number of memory sticks in different colors that will fit the cyber shot DSC camera but the one pictured above that is blue in color just isn’t one of them. That alone ought to be a get out of jail free for Jodi if the above information is correct.

  21. I still find it ironic that we are talking about memory sticks for shutter cameras in 2017 even for 2008 instead of a cell phone pic or instagram or snapchat post?
    I also find it strange that images from memory sticks that may have been in a wash cycle can still be obtained but pictures on a hard drive that could literally destroy the prosecution’s premeditation theory as well as prove possible abuse cannot?????

    • Lance I think both SIM cards got lost in the shuffle too. That SD card the Bandito was parading around the courtroom with was like the round nose bullet he did the same thing with. It was a hollow point that was reported stolen 7 in all on the police report.

  22. Billy,
    The whole issue with the camera would have never been an issue for anybody if TA doesn’t insist on the nude pics. Jodi had said that she had never done that with ANYBODY ELSE EVER! In fact, I don’t think she would have even tried to destroy the camera if the pics had only been of TA in the shower. In this scenario, I believe that the image of Jodi in TA’s eye taking the photo would not have been shameful to her.
    If you have been reading some of the previous threads, I have been harping on the post conviction interview she did with Troy Hayden. In that interview, she states that she was not in Yreka at the time of the robbery of her home. She has DATE-STAMPED pictures PROVING that she was up near Oregon with her sister. Apparently, pictures with date-stamps that could go a long way in exonerating her aren’t as important as camera pictures showing that she was there?????
    This evidence destroys ALL of the premed BS that JM was yacking the whole trial including the knife which we all have known was a “weapon of opportunity” that was already in the house(the rope cutting!). This also includes the hollow point bullets talk since grandpa had those in the house.
    In addition, I have been asking around to see if anybody knows if the pictures on the hard drive would be considered “new” by AZ discovery rules. I have argued many times that these photos are game changing and eliminate so much of the B.S. “evidence” that JM was parading and dropping on the floor.

  23. As for any ..NEW EVIDENCE…the courts will rule on that then must own it. To think any new evidence would be discounted so the state may save a few $ or allowed for a win to pass is rather unjust and is this then he meaning of injustice? What was the rat not allowed to do in that show of trials. Now if photos did show up one can imagine what a rat and the cult would say…FAKE….but who then pushed FAKE and NEVER FACT in the court. How many times were they caught in out right lies? And why did they have the need or greed to ever lie…was their case not that strong as HLN worked over time to destroy Her and any who stood by Her….was t-dog that much a man of faith and so pure….just as deanna….you know the other woman who lied to police for him…..seems all who really knew him worried about …THINGS getting known…as they were not good at all. Kinda made him look like a monster. Now tpo think he would not go wild on Her when the camera was dropped in a bathroom that was very moist speaks volumes. Remember that a camera at the best of times is rather hard to hold….not very box like at all…but recall how he …LOST IT…over a boob joke and not even about him….was he in love with that guy? As for She did this or that…well SHE was not the last to be there was SHE? Seems for 5 long days others had the run of the house and maybe the scene. It’s been said that the wash had bleach put into it…odd how the towel was two colors not one…..But I would ask this are photos time stamped as they are DELETED….do time stamps show that? Not just Her worried what happened that day and about travis….why is it NO ONE on his side will own his VILE words…on children let alone Jodi or others…..Ask any why on that. Just a good guy…I think not.

    • BILLINGS: You shouldn`t. In fact, Travis was one of the nicest and kindest men I`ve ever met. He was — he was the type of guy that you just wanted to be around. You always wanted to be like him. You wanted to — he had a beautiful home. He had great friends. And he was just that type of guy that you just wanted to associate yourself with and be around.

  24. Lance That camera has an
    Integrated Memory size of 31MB. We really needed a guy there from Sony to walk us through it. Then all those accidental pictures ????? Juries tend to look more for a perception of credibility than to the facts. Once they perceive a lie you can pack it up, it’s over. Appeals don’t go on perception, they go on facts and the jury is the finder of facts. Then if you want to introduce new evidence into an appeal it not only has to be new but evidence not available at the time of the trial. It gets worse. That evidence has to be material and strong enough that it could have changed the outcome. Tough row to hoe for sure. The good news is with the Bandito getting probation and KN getting his shingle pulled, there should be a good chance for a retrial.

    • Billy,
      It appears that you may have answered my question with the statement.. “It must be new but evidence NOT AVAILABLE” at time of trial. These pictures would then be considered new and not available at time of trial due to the hard drive being inaccessible. My opinion is still that these photos are game changing and could conceivably open the door to the court considering that Jodi was attacked and was not the attacker! The addition of any other photos possibly showing outward signs of abuse or trauma would be powerful as well. Regarding your Billings quotes, TA was not stupid by any means in that he was not outwardly abusive to her in front of others. All of the abuse and violence that she testifies to occurs “behind closed doors” with no eye or ear witnesses. I believe that a retrial is a certainty. The question is how long does she have to wait and who can she retain as well as who would this attorney face and have to argue in front of?????

  25. billings did you know that travis was a bit of a two faced fuck…..ya guys might have liked being around him as many loved the fact he was a player…I use the word user as it sounds like abuser…now this is a guy one would want to …SIT …your children…ya think! As for juries…when else can a person do as they please…like MURDER via the state …take a real listern to the 3 things call mary lou ,diana, and kevin in their ABC interview….justice was never on their minds. Payback for that poor family and a free supper ?A judge must always do what is right that is why juries must never have the last say…more then a few have secondary gain….and can not what to use it. One has to wonder how any can ever get on two or more D/P cases…opps I forgot they must be prone to giving the D/P even before they know ANY facts. This once You lie then Your done…strange how that never applies to the state…and it should apply much more. Any involved in trying to put someone to death via the state unjustly should face the D/P themself ,good for one good for all …and no way any voted into power should ever get a jury trial…as the voter have secondary gain…let them be tried by the ones they sought to murder , or the family and friends of the one they did murder…..Odd how they who work for justice …hate justice. Will judges do their job well we work for that… other work and scheme to ruin justice for Her and thus for all. Who in their right mind would ever allow the rat and it’s kind to ever speak for justice……

  26. Lance I have no legal background other than a class in Civics back in high school. Just under the impression that the only evidence the prosecution has to turn over to the defense is what they rought over to the Grand Jury. Other than that the defense must ask and it’s like pulling teeth to get it. If it was there and they didn’t ask well just too bad. That’s where the P I comes into play. The super snooper usually has ties with the cops so the evidence leaks out then the DT requests it. In this instant case the Gum Shoe up and died. Took all his notes with him but cashed his check before he went. We have 5 body bags connected with this case but no one seems to think that is unusual. No theory here just the facts.

  27. Mr Griz: You are on to something there with the Poster Boy for the LDS watching over your kids. Good question for the JA Jeerers . Maybe a choice between Travis or his gawking buddy Joshua to watch over your little boy.

  28. OK Billy. I have thought about asking a criminal defense attorney who is a neighbor of mine what the law is in my state(VA) although that really doesn’t help with AZ since it is a state issue. I did not know that 5 people have died related to this case.. Somebody want to educate me??? It shows how much I have really read. Until somebody tell me different, I will continue to believe that these images will be shown at a retrial!!!

  29. BTW, I just noticed this thread in the google search that I do to come to this page. It is right above this site on page 2 and apparently was published in Psychology Today by some fake shrink. I have cut and pasted the title. My question is.. Who the fuck is this asshole? Is this prick serious???

    Remembering Jodi Arias: Poster Girl for Narcissism
    What Jodi Arias teaches us about narcissists. (Should say TRAVIS ALEXANDER!!!!!!!)

    Posted Feb 23, 2017

    • This is just the latest in a series of columns on Jodi by this Dr. Archer. You can read his previous entries and his bio at the bottom. He seems to be just a lesser-known Dr. Drew Pinsky — another in the long line of people who’ve tried to make money off Jodi without any attempt to get to know her.

      Don’t concern yourself at what he says. He himself states that all his opinions are mere “speculation” based on facts reported in the media. Actually, he doesn’t even have many of his facts straight, as when he says the court wouldn’t let Jodi represent herself. (She did so twice.) In any case, his judgments rest on assuming her self-defense story to be a lie. If it’s the truth, then she’s innocent of any homicide crime. In that case “remorse” — as opposed to regret at what happened — would be completely inappropriate, and her other behavior during and after the trials makes perfect sense.

      My favorite remark in this blog is the one where he takes Jodi’s willingness to have video visits for nine hours a day as proof of narcissism. Almost anyone who’d spent over a year in solitary confinement would welcome video visits as a bonanza. Dr. Archer’s capacity for empathy seems so limited that I feel sorry for his patients.

      • OK.. AT LEAST he admits that his opinions are based on media reports. Other than that, this guy is another prick shrink who tried to get paid!

        That would be my favorite remark as well. How about we stick him in solitary and let him judge her then!!! I wonder if he has any patients? He apparently doesn’t feel the need to know the truth!!

  30. Lance: I mentioned the 5 body bags to the jeerers and they came back with “none of them had anything to do with this case” Oh they were sure I just made it up. Well in body bag #1 was Travis, in body bag # 2 was the P I the DT hired., in body bag ,# 3 was Ashley, #4, was Joshua, and in #5 was Flores’s son. Yep all can be linked to the Travis murder case in one way or another. Two were suicides.

      • R. Love Just a guess but I think Joshua’s a legit because it was on the day Jodi was arrested but as for Ashley, I don’t think so. Although a gun is the weapon of choice in most suicides women don’t usually shoot for the head. A bit unusual as is most in this entire case we are following. Nothing fits the mold.

    • Because I am an open-minded individual, the only one that I could possibly concede to them would be Flores’ son. If I remember correctly, he died in a zip-line accident at a lake, correct? The fact that he was Flores’s son appears irrelevant to me.
      I am not familiar with #3 or #4 at all.
      These “jeerers” are absolutely delusional. I can understand when people throw the word “cult-like” around.

  31. Ask any cop what is self defense ….ya think they EVER abide by ANY state laws on such. Remember laws or executive orders are over turned ever day….LOL… seems in America. When an abuser is attacking as t-dog did well over 4 X’s then She would have to keep defending Herself…he lunged at Her then bear hugged Her then came at Her from the front then as he was on the floor once more tried to get a hold on Her….head,back,chest and neck wounds in that order. How many times did he grab her to get control as she fought him off. he was known to lose it over anything…MAN BOOBS!… After the shot WENT off and he was so not in fear that he had to take a look PROVING that he was very mobile and thus a threat….how much pain was he in that he just had to take a LOOK see? Now if she was just standing by saying She was sorry for the .25 going off then he had his chance to grab Her….bear hugs are common in the wrestler play book. Are the back wounds not very strange as the rat did claim She stood behind him as the stabs were done….not possible as just one swing arm from him would have put Her to the floor ,either arm! But as he held her and She stabbed trying to get him to back off( way more pokes then stabs) did he know what to do? in his mind it was a no win deal…just squeeze harder till She passes out. Name one just one police officer that would ever follow az. rules on S/D …no cop would want to work with them….PROOF all police in N.America are trained to shoot to kill…never wound. Ask any cop on that. In Toronto one officer with 25/26 police behind him did just that …TWICE. The young man on the street car was going nowhere. Well that’s what the police man was trained to do…he now has a trial of his own.But ask the police what would they do….NOT one officer there took charge of the situation….seems they backed their own 100%.This all She had to do was run…did She not say She did just that and was caught that day…this was the second time he caught as he trained also in running ( he brags about it on the web) She was very lucky that day…as he was so out of control but then that was very common for that boy.

  32. I take it Mr Griz feels the boy needed killin. Well if Jodi did half the things he said she did then he invited her into his bedroom there is a lot of truth to that feeling. I kind of looked at it as assisted suicide if he planned on taking Jodi to Cancun then pulled the rug out from under her by putting Miss Mimi on the ticket ……well if that ain’t suicide I don’t know what is. Guess anyway you look at it TA wanted to die.

  33. I don’t think any of us on this site think that TA needed to die until he attacked her with the intent to severely beat her or kill her. That was the point when TA’s right to live is trumped by Jodi’s right to live. Jodi is not supposed to know his intentions to defend herself. I believe we all agree he DID NEED to be “outed” and arrested as he WAS A PEDOPHILE!
    If I remember Jodi’s 48 Hours interview, she stated that they had agreed she wasn’t going to Cancun… Mimi was. Jodi seemed fine with that. The jeerers will swear up and down that she was jealous and angry about not going… NOT!
    I would bet that TA would have wanted to die if all his secrets and his financial situation had become public front and center. I also believe that he committed a felony in the den when he raped her. Just because she wasn’t the confrontational type doesn’t change what it was. I have often said here that in addition to all of the things that we have said he was… He was also a RAPIST!

  34. When he attacked her once more then it was …killing time for one or the other…luck blessed her that day as She really never should have won against a trained fighter and a person far stronger and very violent. As for her being a woman scorned or hate full….take a close look at that face of t-dog see any wounds other then the .25(1/40 that horn the dr.? claims is 1/8)…NONE that I can see….seems to ,my old eyes all the wounds are of a …back the fuck off….nature…100%! Odd how only one is rather deep…next to the vena cava…di he get that as he RAN into Her? So there we have it as the rat says ..if She could not have him then….hold that thought rat boy…seems any and all could have him…player that he was. Odd how many men go out of their way to disfigure a former love….that common for men but see any of that on dear travis…NOPE! he would have lived if he had stopped…see all his wounds for that fact.

    • Mr Griz these strongest instinct in man is survival and it is second in women only to protecting her children. Once it kicks in there is little though or pain. I’ve seen first hand what happens when a boyfriend or relative trys to save a drowning girl.

  35. Because he is a chicken shit little greasy Mexican who acted out like a fancy flamer when I called his bluff. Just like the internet scammer and the big titted alter boy. (Just needed to vent SJ. Thanks).

    • I’m fairly new here, and this is my first time seeing Michael Wayne Maha post….but I have to mention this. Jodi Arias is 1/2 Mexican and using racial slurs like this is offensive to me; and I would imagine she wouldn’t be happy about your “vent”. Is it possible to “vent” about Juan Martinez without insulting Jodi and her heritage at the same time?

  36. Now that saving a drowning girl thing…well I for one had to do that in my job…and knew full well the risk….if that lady had tried to grab Me in Her panic then two would have seen Davy Jones locker , so I had to be ready to kind of subdue Her. Thankful She allowed me to save Her. There is always a risk when trying to help another… Now as for why it threw the camera to the floor,well why not rile the jury towards Her. And if the camera is damaged all the better…blame Her for dropping it…but that proves they believe it was dropped by Her….Now some claim that camera was not dropped that day….so then how easy would it be to snap another photo just like the one seen in the trial and over and over again. rat does love the show and drama…see it lose it’s mind many times then get corrected by the WITNESS! Rather fucking sad to see what speaks for az. justice…or is that more injustice. In a true court he would be jailed on the spot….but then who knows….on his appeal he may well be.

    • Oh, the ones we pulled off the bottom of lake Erie had their faces ripped up so badly they were hard to ID except we knew who we were looking for.

      As for the Bandito (a DP case cost $1 million more than a LWOP and has a 2% chance of ever being carried out, thus the Bandito) and the camera gig ? ? ?
      I was thinking more along the lines of that 34 MB internal storage the camera held.

  37. Jodi’s Twitter account just posted that she now has a job at the commissary! She makes 50 cents an hour which is a 500% raise from her last job.

  38. It’s about damn time! So if my math is right, she makes $4 a week and about $16/month. She is indeed moving on up! Hopefully, they don’t jack up the price of food!!!!
    All Bandito was doing was putting on a show which is really ALL he really did. He held onto evidence, changed stories and lied about certain events in the record. In the end, JM saw a “career changer” in Jodi’s trial. He saw book deals, interviews, notoriety etc. People saw it too which is proven by all the autographs this fool signed outside the courthouse.

  39. Career changer. For Sure. Very few prosecutors ever get a chance like The Bandito got. Sure he rolled the dice for the extra $ million, why not, wasn’t his money it was carpe diem for JM and he inked a million dollar book deal (I heard it was 3 million). My take was he didn’t give a rat’s rear end for either Jodi or Travis, it was all about money.

    • All that was obvious to all. Hope he has to use every dime he took to stay out of jail. He deserves solitary. IMO

  40. I don’t know if I ever heard the total but that doesn’t surprise me. What I am curious about is how much did Jodi’s case generate TOTAL with everybody including JM, Nurmi, Chris Hughes and all the other fools. That number is probably staggering!!!!!!!!
    Of course JM didn’t care about the cost.. the state of AZ is on the hook for that bill.
    We had mentioned this on some previous threads regarding all of the “ill gotten gains” that were made. Is Jodi owed some of JM’s book money since he wrote that before an appeal was filed? I am curious if the rules that were applied to Nurmi also apply to JM as a prosecutor, especially since he has been publicly spanked by the AZ judicial review board? I have argued that that would be a nice chunk of cash and would go a long way in helping to fund her appeal.

  41. The two situations differ at least in that Jodi was never Martinez’s client. So, while it’s clear she has standing to sue Nurmi for legal malpractice, I don’t know whether she can sue Martinez (or the state of Arizona) for civil damages based on his book. Also, I saw comments saying that that book had almost nothing in it not previously public (though I didn’t read it).

  42. Well it’s lies are still lies and lies in a court now in a book. he had info none other had and abused it as well as twisted it for GAIN via the state. rats do use others for GREED. For az. to allow him to use them speaks volumes…he was paid rather well and all know he was not even on duty when he took it upon himself to gain…did it smell a payday or was told to show up. Why was he allowed to keep this case if not for …the win at all costs. When it goes before any judge I wonder how they can let that pass. this thing brings down justice and makes a payday…yet if she wins freedom on appeal for all the wrong doing then why protect it with state funds…charge it for abusing it’s position and be done with this rat. in a court anything can happen as judges at times make law…that is their job. They are the keepers of justice…when they fail to do that then they fail all. John Adams defended the brits from the Boston massacre and won their freedom that is what good lawyers do no matter the mob. In any court that wrongs another then all are wronged…..if they can try Her like that then who is not at grave risk.Odd how the rat now believes in appeals…..two faced thing that it is,….and I really do not like things that abuse others for gain….talking to you rat boy!

  43. Lance I know the DT in Zimmerman billed the state $ 300K . I think the prosecution spent over a million on security alone. It usually cost the state 3 to 5 times what a good DT costs. As for prisoners. Well some British firm just inked a deal to house some 80 juveniles in detention. 40 mil for 5 years. That comes out to $100 K per year per kid.
    As for Jodi …….I’d put the figure at close to 10 million to the taxpayers and the meter is still running.

  44. My impression is that prosecutors only write books about cases either after the case is over or after they are no longer prosecutors. But I haven’t researched this. Both a former Maricopa county attorney and several AZ legal-ethics experts said Martinez’s book was highly improper.

  45. Billy,

    I have heard/read stories about how prisons are farming out their facilities for $. Privatization has become the new wave of incarceration, especially when a profit is involved.
    Alan, The fact that Maricopa county and legal ethics experts believe the book is improper makes me curious where the line is drawn. If it’s improper but not liable, where is the difference? Also, how can Martinez ever be involved in this case going forward since he did write a book?

  46. I guess the next question in this issue is… How much can Jodi get from a civil judgment against Nurmi? I know this is a very subjective question but I have said many times that this judgment will go a very long way in financing Jodi’s eventual appeal in addition to the money that we raise through this site.
    By the way, what’s the latest on Arpaio?

    • LANCE: The former Maricopa County sheriff’s trial is scheduled to start April 25. They want a 2 month delay to get up to speed .

    • I share your hope that a civil suit against Nurmi will help fund Jodi’s later appeals. However, I have no idea how much she could expect to get if she sues him. I would think she could at least seize all his book profits, but I doubt that amounts to much. Otherwise, I don’t know how to prove the book injured her legal position, let alone how to quantify such injury as monetary damages. Perhaps there is a possibility of punitive damages, but I really have no knowledge on this subject. When I have a free moment, I may go to a law library to look at a textbook on legal malpractice.

      Also, of course, what she could actually get from Nurmi is limited by how much money and malpractice insurance he has.

    • Which is beyond ridiculous. They were not Travis’s parents, spouse or children of his. Only siblings who didn’t mind dragging his memory through the mud.
      Where were they when he needed help mentally and financially?
      Only came around when they needed him for something. . . . isn’t that how the story goes? Still on the money train. . . .

  47. R., you may be right morally. However, the restitution ordered by the court was the figure that the defense itself submitted. Since the Alexander sibs didn’t contest it, it was entered into the record as Jodi’s debt. She has already paid a certain amount of it out of her Perryville commissary account, and she’ll be through all of it before too very long.

    • I think Jodi may have lucked out on this one. The fact that Nurmi just tossed a number at the siblings and they decided to not argue the amount… imagine if they had tried to make sure that she was broke forever!!!


    • Give me a minute – and I’ll set up a safe space page for you and any other Snowflakes out there…

      Team Jodi #WINNING <<<

      • I may not be “cool” enough to appreciate the snowflake comment. I’ll take it as a compliment, since snowflakes are so unique and beautiful. Anyway, I was sticking up for Jodi’s heritage. Seeing the term “greasy Mexican” made me cringe a little. Has nithing to do with being politically correct. I appreciate the couple people who understood my disdain and commented. Thank you.

    • Racist comments aren’t fine with me. One can’t be too sensitive around here. 🙂 Jodi’s freedom is my major concern.

  49. I don’t think they are fine – no matter who they are about and I agree that it is disrespectful to Jodi and her family. That’s how all the racist stuff just gets to continue on..Martinez was an unscrupulous and devious prosecutor. His heritage has nothing to do with it. An a..hole is an a…hole no matter how you describe him.

  50. Racists comments are the least of Jodi’s worries as the welcome mat has never been out for political correctness where she now resides.

  51. In many states the government is able to tap into the commissary accounts of the prisoners for just about anything. Bank of America is the big winner along theses lines.,

  52. Thanks Alan. I had forgotten about the restitution since Jodi’s last check generated so much hate. Hopefully, she can get out from underneath that quickly.
    I know there are legal questions that apply to this but I would imagine all of us agree that her legal standing was damaged by him revealing privileged info which I am assuming is why he got disbarred.
    Regarding the racist comments, I think Judy has summed it up as well as can be. JM is an unscrupulous, devious, lying bastard and we have been calling a spade a spade since day 1. An a..hole is an a..hole regardless of where they are from. I know Jodi would agree with that 100%. I also think that R and Billy got it right too. Political correctness does not exist where Jodi is right now and our main focus has always been and always will be her eventual freedom.

  53. Well the worm may have a house or savings or a wedding ring…We do know he has a watch as big as Big Ben…and he often dug for gold up his nose. Now please note Jodi is not to keen on the racism as it is used by the haters against Her. Seems they don’t know that Ca. is NOW in the U.S…..for awhile now. But an a-hole is an a-hole no matter the shade….he is no white rat….the one’s that do good for Us …wonder if they signed on for that job…but he is more the dirty rat….or cockroach…please don’t take that in a sexist way…..but he may be a little dick…or prick…did any watch that trial as it ran around the room acting like one?As far as the state taking money…is that news to any…Our leaders steal more then any…..but then who does not want such power? Odd how a few words directed to that side and folks melt down…but pedo boy can say the most vile things and they pass as jokes or She deserved such…. Well he is in a much better place…or so some hope….I hope for his sake he has a better judgement then She ever got. So travis explain this 12 year old need thing…and take your time as now you’ve got it! Now as for the racism…are we not all black…Me thinks so…just all sorts of shades….just don’t put Me out in that sun….NOT GOOD! Want to see what I look like see BRAVE HEART…I’m the guy William hits with a rock and yes I saw that coming…LOL.

    • All too often it’s the evidence that is misrepresented or doesn’t make it to the courtroom that results in a wrongful conviction. In this instant case we have that blue SD card that doesn’t work in a Sony camera , the missing SD card, the internal storage of the camera, and the SIM cards from the cell phones. The hard drives are yet another issue.

      • Evidence itself has no bias, preconceived notions or personal agenda. It is what it is(as Gil Grissom used to always say on CSI). The fact that people still have to read evidence is where all the problems arise. We have all agreed that Jodi was convicted on what it looked like instead of what it actually was. I can’t argue as well on the camera like I can on the hard drives. The pictures on those drives are paramount to Jodi’s defense because of the lack of supporting witnesses.
        A bigger question could be asked… can the hard drive photos create enough legal doubt along with the holes in the blood evidence and TA’s wound patterns in 12 new jurors minds that Jodi was the victim of a violent assault that resulted in the death of her attacker. I say YES!
        Here’s one more… what if Jodi’s “conversation” with TA while on the road had been a TEXT convo instead of a PHONE convo? How much better would her defense look then!

  54. Hmm…
    Will Juan Martinez ever prosecute another case, ever?
    Does anyone think Jodi Arias will not walk away due to “Time Served” or better yet “Self-defense”?
    How many languages does “Google Translate”?

    • Does it really matter as there are hundreds if not thousands just like JM out there. Way too moch power with way too little accountability.

    • I can’t see how Maricopa would allow him to! He has literally been discredited by the governing legal association that he is a member of. I do think that another jurisdiction would bring him on because of his celebrity!
      I think that “Time Served” may not apply here because WHEN Jodi wins her retrial, the murder verdict will be vacated and she will be considered free to go. The case will absolutely hinge on how well her new counsel can present what we all know is the truth without the benefit of any ear or eye witnesses to the actual event except Jodi’s previous testimony and all the holes that have been punched in the prosecution’s story to date.
      I think the only issue that “Time Served” will indeed apply to will be the possibility that the state will charge her with burglary since the handgun actually left the house. Jodi would have likely received probation for that anyway with no previous criminal record.

  55. Loretta…You can read ,right? As for racism that’s just another word for gang…right or wrong some stand with their gang….that is not me as I have lost a few jobs standing for what is right. Most must try that at least once. This no.s count…well not so if only a very few stand up to evil and corruption then they will win…1775 …RING…a bell. Now even i would say My writing may be rather hard to read but what say You of the law? In az. they have this …what’s self defence law/rule that if applied to police who take life…then most would be on DEATH ROW…just read it rather slow…so just how does one know when the threat is over…I’d love to hear that from any state…yet their police are told in training to ALWAYS SHOOT TO KILL…KILL! Even the military does not teach that and they deal in war. Seems the states think folks have no right to defend them selves…unless the state says so…..most laws are confusing for a reason as it employs LAWYERS and even they have a hard time discussing it. Reminds Me of a certain appeals judge that said …Her guilt was NEVER in doubt….so he must have been there….because never is rather 100%. And for a judge to want to speak like that makes one wonder if he had a reason to taint the appeals process for others in his gang. Think he or any would bet their live on Her guilt??? I’am no lawyer but have stood in court and put one in his place…by just facts and reason and using a police officers own words…..then the judge turn on said cop and ripped him a new one. Courts can be fair….give up on that and You give up on You. But Loretta just what stake do You have in this case??? I would love to know.

  56. Most unreliable evidence in any courtroom is an eyewitness. There have been many a rape victim that has ID’d the wrong guy.

    • I’ve always thought this to be very ironic in that many police depts. put so much emphasis on a witness ID of a suspect unless there is video. However, people are flawed as we know and what we see and hear can differ greatly.

  57. And that’s why one must look to the person who says …You sound like a 12 yr. old…now what man in his right mind would say that to any woman….thinking she would let it pass. This she should have gone to the police…well some do and get mocked…..or as one former judge up north did say …why did you just not close your legs/knees. Yes any eye witness must be judged on what they say …just use logic which on this earth seems to be rare. But I’ll say this…when a system cares more for the win then that’s the end of justice. Yes some lie about rape…as some may not say it was rape…but remember how she told the court…I awoke!!!….Lie? well on TAPE…he did say..”.remember how You were asleep in the chair and i… You…not many guys would do that”…..well for once t-dog may have been right…why would a man want to do that as the person slept. There is a rule in the military …grab a person as they sleep then too fucking bad what happens….think about it…when are You most at risk and an easy mark. if someone was messing with You in any way as You slept can any blame them for fighting back. Seems mr. great was real good at using others at their weakest moments…and proud of it too.

  58. That and the fact TA’s gauking buddy Joshua chose the easy way out on the day Jodi was arrested would indeed tarnish the poster boy’s saintly image as portrayed by JM.

  59. When i hear and see any hate towards her and this case…I wonder why…who was this nobody that got killed as he abused a woman again. Did he ever have a real job? seems he was a poster boy for PPL….look at me ,Iam rich…You too can be rich…wanta go out on a date and read the bible? Who did this sad young man not abuse? And yet people of reason seem to think of him as a saint…well LUKE was a saint.As I see it others who take up his cause are fer worse then he ever was. he may not have had a choice thanks to his parents…. how any of faith can back such a man makes one wonder about that faith. Does one use or hide behind a faith? Ask any …did they think that trial was fair or just and You will see who they really are…..some are mighty sick. they back a man who abused children…now how can that ever be right? he died that day as he tried to abuse Her once more an take Her life…..did he not say …You shall feel my wrath…and You have not seen me at my worst…what kind of …just a good guy would say that to a woman he loved…???All the time I hear from the haters how She was found guilty…but by a jury that can not explain…HOW! Now why would that be…if they do not know why then how just is that verdict? Can a jury just vote as they please??? If that’s how it works then why have trials. Remember that the system can make any killing into a murder and use a jury to back it up. Imagine if as a jury We also were not accountable for our actions. A world only for the strong. When the state goes after one it’s not easy to prove Your innocence…opps when did that happen? Is it not that the state must prove guilt and it must make sense? Well that would get in the way of the almighty win would it not?

  60. No need to drag the poster boy through the mud to convince me there was reasonable doubt. The 911 call was enough without some kind of an explanation as to the last time they saw TA, not knowing Jodi’s last name and Miss Mimi making the call as well as being there at 10 PM just hours before departure. Something just ain’t right here.

  61. I have always been curious how the jeerers try to shape the fact that TA was practically broke and up to his eyes in debt with his home and with Deanna because the evidence on that is IRREFUTABLE!! The 911 call never really clicked with me although it makes more sense now. Apparently, Zach must have been too busy vomiting after finding TA in the house that nobody else in the house was able to notice???…. so Mimi had to make the call.

    • One would think Deanna’s family would have been outraged with the treatment she was getting from TA. 🙄 I know many families that would have gladly “cleaned his clock” for him had he mistreated their daughter and sister like Travis did her
      Just wondering about what they were up to. . .

      • R. Love for many women, the worse you treat them the better they like you just like the dumb taxpayers reelecting the same shysters time and time again.

    • Actually they all should have been pretty sick after ope3ning that sealed door and getting hit with the stench of a 5 day old rotting corpse but none of them even mentioned it on the 911 call. No Zach seemed rather calm when he talked with the operator. The jeerers focused on Jodi Then the person who lived there and found the body (Zach) never testified, it was Miss Mimi who way oversold her virginity to the jury. 3rd date and she is going out of the country to shack up with the golden stud. Not what she told the jury though and never crossed on said subject so as to not tarnish the poster boy’s image. The fix was in from day one and maybe even before. No new theories here just following the evidence and it’s riddled with doubt

      • There has always been Reasonable Doubt in this case.
        Self Defense is not a crime.
        ♥ Jodi Arias should be a FREE woman today. ♥

        • R and Billy,
          We have all seen this scenario play out. Many women love the “bad boy” image that guys like this portray. Deanna obviously was an adult and was attracted to him as well like Jodi was. The financial downfall would have been VERY HUMILIATING for him when all this debt came crashing down which appeared to be a certainty since the house went into foreclosure not long after. I am curious as to how much he really owed everyone since we only have evidence from Deanna’s texts. That would probably be a real nice donation to her cantina account!
          The LDS cover-up, in my opinion, was about as bad as the Scientology church that Leah Remini has since called out publicly on A&E, without all the beatings.

  62. As for why deanna’s family put up with it as did mimi and all the others…..just talk to any LDS on outing the church…for anything….as a bishop did tell Me many times…the church must be protected at all costs…explains why the church still embraces him. they would rather see a person put to death for their cause. I met that same bishop who i thought was a decent person…but on the same day the jury hung for the 4 h time and I told him that death was off the table….the evil look on his face…he a man of faith wanted her to die…and this is a father of at least two daughters. Why some are so sure of Her guilt makes one wonder if they lust for a murder,because that’s what it is when you want a death verdict at any cost. they are no better then a lynch mob or far worse. mimi had to lie to keep her standing in the church as deanna tried to also. And then there is sky who KNEW t-dog before her hubby who rather thinks God wanted him to leave his wife..who thinks like that….trash. Will sky spill the news on what went on and have an accident…..can’t see that anytime soon. And how the haters love these things so….rather sick.

  63. Both Gus and the foreman on the first trial said up until Jodi met TA she was a pretty normal woman for her age I think TA was boyfriend #5. Then you got Brewer who knew her better than anyone I guess. Yep big change when TA came into the picture or was it the LDS group. Remember The “Mountain Meadows Massacre” . These ain’t nice people but they sure can act.

  64. Yes, Jodi’s life changed when Travis and his cult religion came into her life. She fell for him hard. Not sure why because in everything I’ve watched him in he appeared to be a very obnoxious and boastful scam artist with nothing at all to brag about. (Just like his rich friends) Being young and in Love Jodi was blind to that. Too bad she really didn’t have any really close friends to offer her help during this time. Travis pretended to be rich and successful until it caught up with him. How pathetic for him to be brought down to begging for money from ex-girlfriends who he had used and abused. Jodi needed guidance BUT not from Sky Hughes and the likes of that group. What a devious nest of evil she fell into. No sir, they are not nice people.

  65. I will admit again that practically ALL of what happened on Jodi’s trip I had never heard before reading the wiki site that Justus set up. The fact that she was visiting three ex-boyfriends, including Brewer before setting off for Utah to see Ryan. I also did not know how much All the previous relationships sounded normal, except maybe for Brewer since there was a significant age gap which still is not really that big a deal in today’s times. Jodi did indeed need friends in her corner during this which she wasn’t going to have in AZ. I still wonder where Sky Hughes stands now that she has separated from Chris… possibly another supportive voice when presented the truth.

  66. ” it’s pitiful that the parents aren’t closer to their kids so their children wouldn’t be looking for something outside of their homes for something to join, or someone to follow. “

  67. Maybe if we didn’t have so many “followers” in this country, we wouldn’t have all these “cult” problems!! This is especially true for these groups that believe that being violent or lying about facts keeps people submissive.

    • The LDS start young teaching their children “To Lie For The Lord”. Several years back we discussed it here and there is a video explaining it on YouTube. Apparently, they have no problem with lying to cover one of their family and friends problems to protect “the church”. When everything your taught is based on lies its no wonder they have problems thinking for themselves and becoming a very angry and violent group imo.

    • “Most of the prosecutors just want the publicity of the trial. They don’t care about the person at all. They all want to go through the whole trial and wring every last drop of publicity out of the whole thing.” Only way they can move up on the food chain is publicity.

  68. We really do focus on entertainment and sports in this country. The tabloid saying also rings true.., “if it bleeds, it leads!!. I would imagine JM saw this rather quickly and not only wanted to win but also knew full well that he could cash in on the tabloid voyeurism that this case created. I know the US isn’t alone in this but we seem to be leading the pack.

    • . About 75 percent of the homicide exonerations involved misconduct. Almost 20 percent of exonerations in 2015 were for convictions based on false confessions

      • I would imagine Jodi’s case will fall in the 75 percent category. I had brought up a possibility that an innocence project might step in and help but apparently, these groups ONLY focus on pure innocence( did not do it at all) as opposed to self defense mistaken for premeditation. How are they innocence projects then????
        Jodi’s case may actually be a one of a kind in that we all know the truth but a confluence of factors came together to make her appear 100% guilty to a court as well as the public at large. The bad representation, crooked ADA and inept detective and coroner literally ensured her conviction.

  69. Well we know he made threats on all who he disliked and seems to think abuse is normal and was quick to show his violent side…YES like dear …just a good guy the rat showed all he loved to threaten any and all as well as abuse women any chance he got and as for violence …GO ASK Alice or that camera… other then a violent man who would slam a camera to the floor that is also evidence??? Two abusive and violent Pee’s in a pod….no wonder that rat stepped up for one of his own! my God that t-dog is just like me…i must help a fellow abuser…..and yet as travis the rat failed to murder an innocent…proving there is a just GOD! sooner or later some one shall stand up to evil…travis would know all about that As the rat does…A.L. did put it in it’s place with a few true words…much the same as Jodi put and set him straight on many things he got so very wrong ,…must be it’s weak mind or it follows the script to close……for the love of money.

  70. Just don’t know what to believe , the camera or the pieces of 8 that say the camera lied. Just to much unresolved conflicting evidence to make anyting even close to clear and convincing decision here. Oh, follow the jury instructions and it’s easy. Believe what you want to believe and ignore what you don’t want to believe. Then and only then can you arrive at a guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.

  71. And NO ACCOUNTABILITY…..what a unjust system…but thew need to win is strong in some as the need to lynch. All one has to do is listen to the jurors who talked as they voted for guilt and then death…..none of them make any sense in fact they out them selves in their lust to murder Her. travis to them was this saint beyond wrong…tjhe perfect thing…a gift to Our world…just a good guy who had a need to abuse others for his greed. Both juries failed their oaths and thus did break the law…where is their justice? Opps forgot when you work for the system you are very safe…the law does not matter…but then who has not heard from some idiot that tells the world …even though the defendant was found innocent…we know their guilty….just as when any person gets a show trial…I know they are INNOCENT! Some have this sick need to see guilt in all but never themselves….horn .flores .jamean as well as the rest of the mob and all lead by the nose by the rat…..

    • Don’t forget the jury all wearing blue in memory of Travis. That was unbelievable. Where else has that ever happened?

      • Alexander’s relatives and friends were all seen wearing blue in solidarity. AS for the jury yeah some wore Travis Blue on April 13 for the sentencing . The trial was all about the victim not the accused as juries run on pure emotion.

  72. Because I didn’t watch the trial myself, I did not see any of this. I have only seen bits from Youtube such as the victim statements etc. The entire jury wearing blue in solidarity is quite odd. I have heard of people wearing pins but not ALL dressing in same color like some kind of color guard? The above comments are proof that the evidence that was not shown is game changing and would possibly sway some jurors into the area of doubt. I know if somebody showed me a date-stamped picture of Jodi with her sister NOT ROBBING HER OWN HOUSE FOR A GUN would certainly make me question other evidence as well. I am strange that way!!!!

  73. BTW, that tabloid bitch from Radar Online is back!!! It appears that she can read Twitter as she has decided to “enlighten” the unknowing about Jodi’s new gig.

  74. Last Sunday I heard a beautiful duet rendition of The Bohemian Rhapsody until someone ​exhibited the desire to interrupt with a sad version of Achy Breaky Heart. Let’s just say it was rude of him to display such a pity party. Carry on and wear whatever, please know I am partial to ladies in blue teddys.

  75. Them things wore blue for one reason …to show contempt for justice….just listen to any jurors to hear how they can not explain their verdict of guilt. i wonder why most did not show up wearing a t-shirt with one of dear travis wonderful sayings of hate or vile…as he seemed to have many to put Her or others in their place….he was not a victim that day…he just lost a fight. How can an attacker be a victim unless he was his own victim of his actions. Are abusers who get killed abusing victims? Now as for the gun being stolen from her G,parents house well it was but NEVER was She accussed for that until the state of az. dreamed it up….see texas marksman….shoot wall draw target and bingo a bullseye! Gun stolen then it must be Her as the state needs it so…remember .25,s are real cheap and very easy to get in az. as gifts or loans …ask dave hall on that. A .25 is far better at braining a person then shooting them with it….the weakest of all hand guns available by far…25% weaker then a .22 LR. And as a brainer it never JAMS!…or RUNS out of AMMO…and makes less NOISE!

  76. Sorry guys but I don’t find any clear and convincing evidence the proves Jodi Innocent . now if someone could find that missing gas receipt from Mesquite it just might prove she wasn’t even there at 5:30 PM. Strange it is the only gas receipt missing.

    That doesn’t change my opinion that the trial was a sham and never came close to proving Jodi guilty either. Only thing that trial proved was Jodi borrowed 2 gas cans from Brewer, she rented a white car, and there were like 13 cell phone calls to and from Travis & Jodi around June 2. Everything else seems open ended.

  77. I must have missed the Mesquite joke??!
    I think Jodi got caught up in an absolute perfect storm of events. It really is too bad that “Mr Tycoon” didn’t have surveillance cameras all over the house since he liked to take naked pictures so much.
    Those two hard drives are essential to her appeal… that’s clear cut evidence.
    It’s also too bad that phone records don’t have transcripts like texts do.
    The only thing that trial really proved is that the AZ justice system is REALLY REALLY BAD!!

  78. The Mesquite is no joke. We know she stopped there for gas but we don’t know the time because someone lost the gas receipt. I’m sure it could have been recovered but no one tried , or did they and didn’t like what it showed ??? The only one missing too ???

    • YES, we can! TEAM JODI, come on everybody GIVE TO THE APPEALS FUND.
      Jodi needs our help. ♥ Put yourself in Jodi’s place. . . would you want HELP from people or not??? This could happen to any of us. Jodi deserves OUR HELP NOW!!!
      Let’s make sure Jodi receives the money for her appeals! COME ON FOLKS – GIVE!!!!

  79. I’m sure we will after the tax payers have had enough. They don’t seem to mind pouring money down the drain and receiving nothing for it. Just kook at the $3 million + defense. Wasn’t worth 3 cents What did all the other lawyers before KN do for their pay check. Right, the same thing KN did for his. How about the P I they hired ?? He got paid too. What did he do for his pay check.?

    • If AZ taxpayers haven’t had enough by now…. WOW!! It appears Jodi’s current legal team might be her best legal team as they fly under the radar tightening up Jodi’s appeal record. Jodi got robbed on several fronts.. trial defense, PI, media etc.
      Regarding the March total, I think Loretta and R have summed it up about as well as you can…. OUCH!!!!!!!!

    • What a joke! Martinez has alleged misconduct in 11 murder cases including Jodi’s but he continues to get away with it! How can anyone believe anything he says or does. It’s a pattern! 11 cases not 1 or 2 but 11.

    • I don’t understand… The Order of Dismissal says Martinez wrote the book “with his client’s consent”. Isn’t the State of Arizona his “client”? So the State of Arizona gave its consent for him to write a book about a case still under appeal? WFT?

      • It appears that way.. the state of AZ gave “its consent” but also says the timing of the book is highly inappropriate. Apparently, ADA’s can talk about cases after the ending but DT’s can’t due to client privilege. I really hope that Jodi’s civil attorney can fast track that suit(assuming she is about to file?) and cash in on whatever the court rules he owes her.

    • I have to believe there is a special chamber in Hell for Juan unless he falls on his knees to confess and repent of his sins and make things right in this world. There’s always HOPE. JM knows exactly what he is guilty of and so do we. Right now, he appears to be no better than Travis Alexander (maybe even worse) both proven users and abusers. IMO

  80. I must have gotten the U.S. justice system ALL wrong…once charged with anything ,NOW one must prove their innocence…so just when did that change??? She is innocent until PROVEN guilty…and has ANYONE seen such in 4 books so far as My count goes…..I could care less what is in a book of hate and vile and lies as in the trial guilt was never proven…see the jury speak…talk about a very sick joke…sorry folks jury no. 2 does not count as they were there to murder her for a very sick and evil family…but do not believe me just believe them…on their words and actions…begging for $ to take a trip to ? WTF is that kind of logic…did they enjoy themselves??? Ask Yourself why the so called wonder rat of az. was stopped 4 times in it’s quest to destroy Her…lack of any real proof or evidence…why did it have a need to fake a shelf tilt via the minion…..who would do such with an air tight case? Talk about all over the place with the growing gas tank…12…13…then 15…cll Ford they would love to know how that happens…..exploding gas tanks they know well…this is not a one issue case but one of many and Her words as actions hold up to any of the states. When i first heard of the case I too did wonder… I tested each and ever word that she spoke from the STAND! They held up…I know why the worm would not put Her words to the test as he outed his hate towards Her as the jury was headed to vote,making him worst then the rat…who would not do real tests but was keen on fake ones…and rather bsad ones at that. So it seems a case against it was dismissed by the courts but they are CONCERNED…..sounds like a nothing found on that laptop then opps a lot was found but Her team was behind that. Now if it is so innocent then why the concern twice…give the fuck a raise…as in the courts $ for a year as they go off to write books on PENDING cases! So there we have it…at any time lawyers can just write books because the courts are so just…What Me Worry…comes to mind. My I remind any judge that they work for the people and never for the few…when one is on trial for their life it is the sworn duty of any judge to see they get a fair and just trial NO MATTER! Ask any how they see guilt in that day and You shall see a very weak or sick mind indeed. To them travis was normal……Remember that of the two in that relationship only one had no problem maintaining it…Her! Seems no one really wanted t-dog in their life for long. Sooner or later they saw who he really was…a rather sad and sick person who needed help.

  81. Seems the …BAR…is not to high in az….they now must use the crazy state logic….charged…go to jail…means guilt…well You are in jail…duh…now it’s up to the person charged to prove they are INNOCENT….and az. will now control the Constitution as they see fit. Now if one is CONCERNED or more so then why give one of their own a pass…READ that back to find the answer!=) Some evidence was made public??? well who more then the state did that…many crap on Her for talking to the press…yet none shit on the state talking to the same press. Ever wonder why that family was so quiet during and for the most part just before trial???? they just do not do well with real questions as all of that side does…the truth seems to burn them. Then there was one date abe…who made a project of destroying Her…proving once and for all NO GOOD DEED GOES UNPUNISHED…..imagine if they had really dated…abe would be storming the walls of estrella….and getting his ass kicked by inmates…he must have seen the signs many held up for Her. wonder what joe did to them on that…..=(. Now that an appeals court judge just has to write…..that guilt was never in doubt…that’s concerning to say the least. Imagine him as he stands before ANY court to explain that with a threat of LWOP over his head or worse as his words alone prove he broke his oath and thus did treason to the justice system. he must explain how he came to a guilt verdict as Her jury can not…so if 12 think You did it then your done…and that friends is why there are appeals…one never knows the heights an idiot or 12 of em can reach. This job for life????Who says that…does Congress or the Executive have that???FUCK NO! So why does any judge that turns on justice….ask Ben Franklin on that…look to the reason America has impeachment it is rather funny yet civil…sorta one can leave on their own or with help! So once again the rat has found fiends (typo…LOL) and is free to push his story of the big fail…4X’s at that! imagine all that so called guilt and She stopped them 4 times…now how could that be if it was so not in doubt. Remember the state would make no deals until they lost…TWICE….then the DEAL was to take away Her RIGHT to appeal…..explain that logic please? Imagine being in the fights She has been in and surviving such evil and yes corruption…..She fears nothing they throw at Her but why do they fear Her….is the truth of that…. just a good guy…. that bad or far worse.

  82. I see Dee and Justus have already pointed this out but JM has gotten off again. As Alan mentioned some time ago, we probably shouldn’t be too surprised as he apparently got permission to write the book but still the governing body feels that the timing was inappropriate??? SO WHICH IS IT PEOPLE??? Is there any other ADA in America that is facing misconduct in ELEVEN TRIALS??!!!!
    Hopefully, the AZ board does the right thing in at least one of these cases.

  83. And isn’t this just wonderful… 🙁

    We the Jury:

    We can be sure, of course, that this “blend of Nancy Grace or the People’s Court meets American Idol” is going to do a number on Jodi, all for Fox’s audience to determine her guilt or innocence. One more horrible trial by the court of public opinion.

    We need to do something about this! I don’t know what…but we have to do something! Please, let’s brainstorm!

    • I watched the first episode, about a civil suit derived from an Aruba death. It was about the phoniest show I’ve ever seen — every word, facial expression, etc., obviously scripted. It makes HLN look like PBS.

      I don’t see how they can do a number on Jodi, since there’s no civil suit involving Travis’s death that the show can settle. So I’m not too worried.

      • This is just more tabloid garbage as we all know.
        If you want to watch something more gripping… watch the 3 part story on Casey Anthony on REELZ channel. Trailers sound pretty good and if I am not mistaken, it sounds like her parents say the court GOT IT WRONG!!!

        Regarding Justus comment, I think we need to publicize Jodi’s Wiki page somehow with the real story and include the mentioning of the hard drives that nobody really tried to examine. Every new tabloid yack fest that comes on is going to follow the flawed prosecution timeline to the letter just like all the other shows before it and just reinforce the public perception of her. How this could be pulled off is anybody’s guess as I would imagine even most media outlets think she’s guilty and wouldn’t want to air a counter story.

      • Also, the setup for the first episode was that both sides agreed to have the civil suit settled by the Fox-viewers’ “jury.” Obviously, Jodi would never agree to that even if there were a lawsuit to settle.

        • Sounds like Fox’s new version of Judge Judy!!
          I would hope Jodi would never agree to this trash!!

          Also, I was wrong on the channel for the Casey Anthony profile. It is on Discovery ID and NOT on REELZ.

      • Thanks for clarifying that, Alan. I looked further into it and you’re right. These appear to be wrongful death cases brought against suspects that were never found guilty of anything. So thankfully there should be no running of Jodi’s case. That’s a relief but the fact that they are slowly conflating our justice system and reality TV is rather scary. It, of course, reminds me of what HLN did with Jodi’s trial, turned it into reality TV entertainment in the court of public opinion, a court that ultimately had a distinct influence on the outcome. Scary stuff!

        • Couldn’t agree more. It’s back to the coliseum! A totally wasted hour, except that I had to love Joe Tacopina’s intimidating stare.

          • Either way, this is really cheap T.V. for Fox because it is always cheaper to pay real world idiots than to pay fictional actors portraying real world idiots! Fox has been behind the curve on these shows as NBC, ABC and CBS have cornered the market. I would love to know what Fox’s ratings are for this??

  84. Hell called they are not good enough for Hell….do you see what I see …one hand washing the other…taking care of their own….they are the system as it is the system…if one takes a fall it may take others with it…need I go on. Justice in Az….then the World ends! See show trial and see injustice and see COVER UP! Remember that appeals judge that would have heard the appeals…GUILT WAS NEVER IN DOUBT…but he CLAIMED that was long after the trial??? WTF B.S. is that…read the word NEVER! and You know what he is. How can any judge let alone an appeals judge write such words. And it is their job to write on cases…so how is it that he can make such a mistake? Must be an az. thing with state workers…..typo here.fake tilt there and opps did he just throw the evidence to the floor during trial??? May i remind the bar there was secondary gain going on here…the faster the book was gotten out the more $/tax$ it would make and if they had waited for appeals to end there may not be a book by a rat but maybe a survivor of injustice…..I do hope Debra Milke writes a book… The bar knows that the state will gain on a book deal…..say it got 2 million- tax of say 50%( Remember it is 2 million in just one year) that would be 1 million in az.’s pockets….seems the railroad of injustice makes good money. They must phone Hollywood to make even better deals…do any think that the rat and the minion didn’t help others to make $ as well as them selves? Some one mouthed off and opps leaked evidence as well as names of protected witnesses did they not. But then for many lawyers who seem to be men it is all about making $…and the win at any cost.

  85. Living in theory. A judge can also somewhat agree with an argument presented before the court. Which means…. if a person who has found a reason to stand before the court, kick the State’s ass, add in a dab of competent counsel, stir in a little common sense, (and I bring my own height)…. They maybe should have the God given right to opine and score a deal with the number 7. Welcome to the real world.

    • It’s run more like a business than a service and expansion is the name of the game. Mass incarceration is the wave of the future. It extracts billions from the dumb taxpayers pockets and these shysters get a standing “0” for doing it. Hey if the system worked the prison population would be shrinking not expanding.

  86. Couldn’t agree more Billy. All you have t do is look at the salaries all these talking heads are/were pulling down. Grace was pulling $5-7million a year?? You bet it’s about ratings and ad space and revenue. Who cares what happens to the actual case!

    • Then all they talk about is the Victim. Where in the Bill of Rights is there anything about the victim ?? All them rights the jury ignors are to insure we don’t create another victim. The victim’s rights are in civil court and have no place in a criminal trial. Follow the evidence not you emotions.

      • In Jodi’s case, Jodi was the Victim/Survivor!
        AZ made a huge mistake. Travis Alexander is responsible for his own death…imo.

  87. ♥ Sending Prayers, Love and Positive thoughts to Jodi and her family.
    May everyone have a BLESSED EASTER . . . Reach out and HELP someone in need.

    “Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! In his great mercy he has given us new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead…” – 1 Peter 1:3 ♥

  88. Jodi was actually a victim twice… First, she was the victim of a violent, unprovoked attack from TA which she survived while he didn’t. She was then a victim of some of the worst jurisprudence and media bashing in AZ history.

  89. Well up until 5:30 PM she was a very willing victim, or so the evidence suggests. After that, the door swings both ways as does it before said time. Conflicting evidence almost every step of the way. I’d like to find even something clear that says she was even in AZ. She spent better than 24 hrs in the state and no one even saw her or the car she was driving?? Maybe Seal Team Six could pull it off but Jodi???

  90. I will only disagree with the first part in that she didn’t ask to be raped in the den which is exactly what she described before they started taking pictures. I have always wondered what made her turn and fight instead of sprinting straight out the bathroom door and down the stairs and out the front door. Obviously, TA would not have followed her outside butt naked… or would he??

    • Again, conflicting evidence all the way , nothing clear and convincing. Conjecture, speculation and surmise all the way. How could they even think about bring this case to trial.??

    • Sorry, guys, I disagree. Given Jodi’s behavior from 6/4/08 through the next >2 yrs, any prosecutor would have charged her with some kind of criminal homicide — though perhaps only M2, as Jennifer Willmott expected. Remember that after Jodi’s final fight with Travis, she immediately set about hiding or destroying evidence (e.g., gun) and faking evidence (e.g., phone call, diary entries). And she lied her head off to police, national media, and even her own lawyers for more than 2 years, until (if I recall correctly) October 2010. In short, she made herself look guilty as hell and turned her case into a nightmare for the defense. She dug a hole for herself deep enough for fracking.

      As for the state, it not only was firmly convinced of her guilt of M1, but also thought (I guess) it had proof of her presence on 6/4/08 (the palm print). And since, from October 2010 onward, she was telling the self-defense story, she was conceding both her presence and her fight with Travis, so good evidence of either was unnecessary at trial. She admitted killing Travis in answer to Nurmi’s very first question.

      What I think is not that the criminal case should never have been brought — that was inevitable — but the following. (1) The charge should not have been M1, since the premeditation evidence was very weak. (2) The defense successfully raised enough reasonable doubt for a full acquittal. That is, the state failed to disprove Jodi’s self-defense story beyond reasonable doubt, so she was entitled to go free. And, of course, I myself believe her self-defense testimony. Finally, (3) the trial was rife with prosecutorial misconduct serious enough to mislead a reasonable juror into voting “guilty,” not to mention other flaws such as jury contamination by TV.

      • Alan,
        I agree with you in this regard in that Jodi lied for the sole reason of trying to protect her dignity and to avoid shame. We all agree this was wrong the minute TA stopped breathing. I actually did not know that she lied to Nurmi for 2.5 years. The palm print was a very big deal on the tabloid show as it proved she was in the house. I remember the tabloid stating that her defense changed from not there at all to self defense. She says that Nurmi felt that they had to pull out all the stops which is where the pedo issues came out which make him look real bad but don’t have any connection to the attack. You and I agree that the evidence left out would be game changing regarding her M1 charges. The date-stamped proof of her innocence in the burglary would destroy those claims outright. Finally, Jodi’s admitted lack of judgment regarding TA’s abusive behavior and the lack of documentation is a tough obstacle. However, the misconduct that occurred in the trial was historical in scope.

  91. Seems many others demanded it be brought to trial no matter the cost to all… this young woman had to be made to pay for surviving an abuser…which We all know he was. The church must be protected from the truth at all costs as well as things like ppl…..that was a scene of nothing but S/D and the state knows it but wanted to please certain groups and a very sick family. Two faced at that…in court crying the blues as outside LOL. Imagine the look as they get $……thanks t-dog!

  92. Only if the prosecutor could explain that house full of people with a rotting corpse for 5 days and the 4 other deaths along with TA. Them 2 suicides could pose a problem. After than he could go for a plea bargain with no jail time or credit for time served.

  93. Is this the support group that had printed up fliers to gain financial support for Jodi? I have a vague memory of seeing a very detailed page that was being reprinted and talk of posting these in the wealthier neighborhoods to bring attention to Jodi’s financial needs?? Wonder if that’s an idea that could be used again? It may have originated from a George Barwood site, if memory serves….

    • George Barwood made a very nice flier, which was then vetoed by Maria de la Rosa for what I thought were silly reasons. George then did a revised version. You can see one of them (I forget which) right now at the Super Dupes page. As was common at that time, one of the Jason Weber crew either made up a competing flyer or claimed to be going to, so the effort kind of degenerated into controversy.

      At least one person did distribute one version of George’s flyer in his neighborhood. If you wanted to revive the effort, I expect George would be willing to update the text to reflect later developments. You could send him a Facebook PM.

  94. Alan, what gun did she hide? No conflicting evidence here either? Was it Grandfather s or TA’s. Any evidence thee was a 3rd person in that room that may have had a gun. Any GSR found ? That would at least tell us where he was shot. Any GSR in Jodi’s blood taken from the crime scene. Come on now something clear and convincing with no conflicting evidence.

  95. Hey Billy,

    The hard drive pics would answer that easily(if they ever access them!!!!). The gun was TA’s.. given by Dave Hall and used by Jodi to defend herself. I still may be the only person who has never heard the true reason/explanation for why TA’s body ended up in the shower?

    • Lance I think those hard drives are with the gun, knife, & the Mesquite gas receipt. As for Hall giving TA the gun, I missed that in court if he testified . I know JM would never call him as a witness as he held in was the one stolen from Grandpa. As for TA ending up in the shower ???? I know I could not have done it. That lift over the riser without a mark on him took a heavy lifter for sure.

      • Billy,

        I am basing this on what I have heard from old interviews, Youtube clips and previous posts. I was of the understanding that Jodi placed the knife in the dishwasher, put the camera in the wash and left with the gun and likely spread it all over the desert. The story about the fliers is new to me although it sounded like a very good idea that apparently didn’t quite get any traction.

    • OR there is a little matter of the bloody man’s footprint in the shower underneath where TA was. One would have to go back and look at those photos again. One of the many things that has always bothered me. Even though Jodi was in good physical condition there is no way she would have been able to place him in the shower in the position he was supposedly found. My thinking has always been it was either his “deaf?” room mates or some one else setting up the scene. Also the plastic tumbler (?) that was in the shower with him…….

      One other, why there wasn’t any fly larvae on his body after 5 days……..

      Through out the years here we have hashed and rehashed all of this. Reasonable Doubt everywhere unless someone intended on making big bucks off of his death. We all know who $Cashed$ in on that now don’t we?


  96. People say this and that when it comes to criminal cases all the time…I was there ,I did it ,I didn’t do it …why would that ever matter to a true Det.? Look to the facts and evidence then use reason. All that ever mattered in this case was…..was there a fight? And then who was the attacker as well as who defended them self. Show me any proof as to Her violent ways…as I show his very violent ways of speaking of MURDER… well as a video pretending to kill a man because that man wants to ask His wife a question before joining PPL. Plus his many threats to all in his life. he was trained to fight and kept training to fight. he bragged about how tough he was as well as strong. he knew how to abuse others. This She lied b.s. is fact…She lied before trial…but ask this who lied during trial…..only the states side. How did the jury miss that? As for destroying any evidence on Her part…ask this of Yourself…..have You ever been in such a situation???. Under great stress folks do very strange things…just read up on such things. Now I find it rather interesting how it has been claimed how She took with Her the very worst of guns but took a knife that did the job…does that even make any sense? Know any homes that do not have big knives? Would it be news to any that t-dog loved to shoot but would not own a gun…does that make sense in a state with almost no rules on guns? And why not just get a loan or gift of a rather cheap .25. No ammo found…LOL…duh the ammo costs more then the gun…mr. loan could not afford any more…thus what was in the .25 was all there was. If some are so concerned as to Her destroying evidence then what of the state??? What is interesting is there are no wounds on him that were certain death if he had just STOPPED and She could have gotten help. I would ask any how many times would You give a madman another chance to murder You? t-dog was a win at all costs kind of guy and thus lost. A defense team MUST stand by their client…or quit…no matter the cost. Would a fire fighter be allowed to do less…..they have a history as no other of giving all for anyone. At times as they are driving by they see a fire…do they wait for back up? no they go in to save the person no matter what…to bad lawyers are not as trained as they or decent people are. I first met Jodi on a Dec. night as asked can I just watch this happen and do nothing…..I support Her as I know Her truth. One does not have to believe when You do a test…wonder way tests were not done…ask the worm and rat…why do they fear truth?

    • Mr Griz the problem I have is there is evidence that backs up almost everything Jodi said. ,8 pieces of evidence say she wasn’t there when TA was killed. Jodi said she was there yet no one saw her nor her car. Those homes around there have security cameras so where is a video of her car? Then the TOD. What say the ME (Horn,)?? He doesn’t say. Then the camera that doesn’t time stamp but does time stamp. Who set the times ? JM I take it. 8 pieces of evidence say the time stamps are wrong. On and on with nothing conclusive

  97. Mr Griz makes a really good point about the central issue in this case. The central point, as always, is trying to prove that TA violently attacked Jodi which led to the struggle and eventual death. All of the peripheral stuff becomes a lot of noise especially when the premeditation is destroyed. The biggest problem is that phone conversations are not text saved. It’s unfortunate that there are so many things that the state believes they can prove but there are so many things that are true that Jodi can’t prove.

  98. Well She said She was there….and the proof lay in his gut…seems he only had one thing in his gut and that was oatmeal…as She did say from the stand. As for no one seeing the car…really it was a common white car and who I must ask keeps a look out for cars. Most spy cams are on the property not others property. Would any trust any in that hood??? This She did not kill him does not help Her one bit because the state will then use Her words from the stand to send Her to D/R…..if there is a new trial. TOD are subject to error….a lot depends on the scene…A/C on or off? Bugs or no bugs? I will say as the state had the camera and decided to slam it to the floor one must wonder what was done behind closed doors…..let Me tell You a story about no one seeing a person…Our Dr. paid an unannounced visit to Our home…and Talked to a parent and then left…who knows who say him or saw his car as why would they be looking… the next time I talked to the Dr. he told me he had been there…..but here is the rub ,Our house is a very open house so one can see the front door from almost the whole house on one side that is the main living space. I saw or heard nothing but he was there and my parent said not one word about it so if the Dr. had not told Me I would never have know a person was in Our home that day…that is how easy it is to miss a person or car. Imagine a video showing a white car or no car…just what does that prove as how do We know the dates are true. I understand it is a common color in az….proving folks buy it and nothing else. Remember the drivers lic. and the rental guy saying She was a blond…well look at that lic. and see blondish but it says Her hair is BROWN…so what did he look at??? Hard to trust a witness as him…because She …LOOKS blond in that photo but then it says brown…so what is it??? Blond must be the hardest color to call.

    • Mr Griz. I’m not out to prove anything unless I can find that missing gas receipt. As for the home video cameras many are pointed at the front entrance and capture the street and neighbor’s driveways. Not much traffic at 4 AM. Her Son of Sam waS caught via a parking ticket. If that car was in the neighborhood for 14 hrs someone noticed it with Calif or no licence tags on it. I don’t believe Jodi any more or less than the cops. Right now all we have is conflicting evidence. TA told Enrique had only had 45 min of sleep the night Jodi arrives. So what say Enrique ??? Did he ask why or did he know why???? Not looking for what may have been possible let’s try to deal with what was. Conflicting evidence equals doubt. Remember 90% + people admit to a crime the state accuses them of and DNA has shown almost 25% had nothing to do with it. Jodi’s concession is anything but conclusive evidence that she was there when TA was killed. Oh I believe she killed TA but not beyond any reasonable doubt unless you can explain away the 8 pieces of evidence that say she wasn’t there.

  99. Look the 2 gas can and car can hold all the gas bought ….it’s called math. There is no such thing as a 5 gal. can sold these days they are 5.2 gal.s that hold 6.2 gals…just look at a red gas can to see the fill mark. They can not blow up due to expansion but would just leak…ever see video of a gas can in a desert on a tank or humvee blow up. They put em on the outside in the true heat.. Any can can swell and not burst. Now this why did She not just run…did She not do that and get caught….and was he not a runner? This he would have stopped because he was naked… meltdown mode? his wounds prove there was a fight…and that he was the attacker…just one real slash on him…the last one that stopped his attack. Most of the wounds are just pokes to back him off or shallow cuts. All one had to do to drop him fast was one major slash to front or back then he would be helpless …now when in a fight for Your live should She have let him get close or turn her back to him and try to run,and give him the advantage to knock Her down. Remember he trained in wrestling and getting one to the floor means a win on his part. This She was not there is rather moot as She said She was! This She lied was to protect his image…She said that in court. Even on the stand She tried to downplay his rather odd actions…love was shown for this man many times by Her during trial. Yes she loved a man who abused Her and that is not uncommon in Our societies sad to say. No person is all bad or all good…to bad dear travis did not know history and John Tolands book on Mr. A.H….seems that guy was more respectful to women then travis ever was….but then that’s what Toland said after research. Would he attack Jodi over a rather cheap camera…FUCK Ya! as he attacked Her over a man boob joke not even about him…proving how very easy it was to set him off. I never knew one guy who built his body up that would not use it for fighting others. Think about that…know any who work out that would not use it against others and brag about that. Some wonder how a woman of 125 lbs can defeat a man of 185 lbs…..well then they do not know how true fights work…a real fight is not MMA as in a real fight folks get killed…any MMA ever killed ? One went nuts and one did not…guess who? Plus luck was on Her side. Odd how so many things that claim they are men say She would never have taken me…LOL! that’s what t-dog thought as he kept attacking…just look to the lack of any real wounds on him that show he was defending himself…small cuts to the hands and no wounds on the forearms just do not make for self defense but an attack mode. Odd how men who love to win often die. There are times backing off allows one to live. I know She tried to help him at least once…as he looked in the mirror…now who that is being attacked looks in a mirror plus the back wounds are not possible from the rear as the rat claimed…but some on the jury needed that lie real bad. Please remember under great stress one does odd things…but parting out a gun is not one of them as many are rather hard to break down…even gun smiths must at times go to their books to learn how….then if that is done there are more chances to find the gun. Remember how would any know how in a trash can the trash may go…land fill or recycling! Do not others dumpster dive. Even if the gun was found then was the bore tight and in good condition…most .25 are not as most use cheap ammo…very corrosive…..We tested a walther .25 at 8 ft. from a standing position as the bullet dropped some 3 ft. from the target….bad bore and weak round does not make for a very deadly gun.

  100. Mr Griz them gas cans are nothing but smoke and mirrors. OK it’s clear she borrowed two gas cans from Brewer. It’s clear she bought 20.7 gal of gasoline in Pasadena. No problem there but how much she bought in SLC ???? The JM saqys $35.4 gal like she came in on fumes. He even brought in a clerk with a photographic memory that stated Receipts at Tesoro showed three separate gas transactions 10.672, 19.65, 5.09 in three different transactions.
    Two of the receipts for Tesoro indicated it was gas. The third receipt was just a credit card receipt.
    Chelsea Young, IT from Tesoro, testified that the credit card receipt was for gas. So why didn’t Miss Young just bring in the video of Jodi filling the 3 gas cans ? So is Miss Young’s testimony conclusive evidence there were 3 gas cans ? Again, conflicting evidence As for the fight in the bathroom and just when the real fight began, all conflicting evidence every step of the way. As for the gun ???? Well I’d say the fact that a .25 was stolen from the place Jodi was staying and a .25 bullet was found in TA’s head is pretty conclusive evidence that the killing was premeditated. If I were on the jury, that would do it but hold on. Conflicting evidence withheld from the jury. Yep, round nose vs hollow point. If that ain’t material then the Pope ain’t Catholic.

  101. .25’s are very common and very cheap that’s why even up North they are given away. Image how most feel that women who break up with guys want to kill them…thus the reason for breaking up…but that does not have to work for men as they kill women all the time for whatever reason or just for fun. Remember in old az. premeditation takes a few 1/000000000000000000 of a sec….wonder how that works for police who take life for any reason…I was in fear of My life so I just kill anyone in front of Me. See the many videos on that and see PREMEDITATION! The rat says 35.4 gal.s…wow My how that cars gas tank must grow…15 +5 +5 =25…or 15 +5 +5+5 = 30…so now We have a fourth can? Now correct me if I am wrong but a prepaid purchase on gas is done as soon as You hang up the pump….right? And if She really bought that much gas how did only 3 cans hold it all…did She dump the rest on the ground. Amazing how any who speak for the state have such perfect memories…almost as if coached…..35.4 gal.s does not fit in a car that holds 15 and even 3 gas cans…even at 6 per can the state is still 2 .5 gals over for the most part. So when Pasadena does not work then bring up SLC…but now it’s way to much…are You seeing a WTF moment as I am? And I am very sure We can trust the word of a state witness as We know how they never got it wrong in that trial…see walmart on that and their store move. So there we have it the worlds worst math problem……and Ford should know that their gas tanks can grow from 12 gal. to 15 gal. thanks to the rat. Interesting to say the least….so why did rat boy ever bring up Pasadena??? Seems at SLC it may have been for gas or MAYBE not…who knows….now this was a D/P case right or more show trial. Remember by the states own logic there had to be 4 gas cans not 3…well in az they tend not to waste $ on education…and it shows very well.

  102. Billy that $ confused me a bit but i think it was 35.4 gal. of gas that it was claimed she bought in 3 different transactions …right? So first she must have pushed in the car to said station as it only holds 15 gal. max according to some guy named Ford….so by her math She filled up 2 cans also making for 25 gal.s or more as each can can hold 6 gal. making the entire fill 27 gal….opps that does not work for 35.4 as it leaves out 8.4 gal…..but hold on the rat claimed 3 cans were used…8.4-5 = 3.4? or say it was 8.4 – 6 = 2.4 that was left out…so now We must have 4 gas cans…or there was a lot of spillage. Now lets get really real…She pulls up to the station with no more then 2 gal.s in the tank….a fill is 13 gal.s and the cans hold 6 gal.s each so 13 +12 =25 and even with a 3rd can added 25+6 =31….We still need a 4th can…or did she make it rain gas that day? How does the states math not work as the try to prove their case…..say She did buy 35.4 gal.s…SO WHAT! Where did it go??? Not all in the car or the two OR three cans that’s for sure. I know az. is no. 1 on not educating their people and the math proves it again. First it failed to prove she could not take on the gas at Pasadena and failed so then She took all the gas at SLC…Ya think that even makes sense??? The rat loved to play both sides….first it was the shot then the shot was last……and in closing it seems the rat knew it was t-dogs .25 as he charged her also with stealing t-dogs …GUN! Yes that’s what She was charged with….not the camera as it was still there…nor any knife as they really do not know where it was from or even still in the house….and it was not for any ring was it and who I ask would allow any to just steal such a ring and not call the police…know any rings as that worth less then 1000.00 making it 3 X’s more value then the camera. dear travis was a money grubber and cheap as shit as his life proved…..his road to wealth was paved with loans. Yes that .25 was travis’s gun …loaned or given to him by a pal…right dave hall? dave you protest way to much! odd how at first the rat did claim t-dog never owned any gun and then in closing he did own a gun that was stolen by Her…the old if ya can’t win one way then try another. seems rat boy is rather good at that…for now!

  103. Yep, 1500 of these DV deaths per year and the government reaction is more of the same. Hey, it works for them, big money in it so why change anything.

    As for the gas can story changing, why not every other piece of evidence changes as time moves forward. From the 911 call to the MEs final report. Yep everybody changes their story so as to make it fit JMs theory. Well when the story changes you have conflicting evidence and that has no place in criminal court as that is what pre trial irons out.

      • JD,

        It is airing on the REELZ channel which is 233 on Verizon FIOS(if you have FIOS).
        It will air several times during the month before they air the next episode.

        • Thanks so much Lance! I have xfinity but I think I have Reelz. I gotta DVR cause the NFL draft is tonight lol. I really hope this is not another BS show though.

  104. Hey Billy,

    I was just going to point that out as I noticed this last week and set my DVR. An article about this pops up in Jodi’s Google page. The show centers around Flores’ lies bout evidence as well as the gun and her interrogations. This is going to be so slanted.

  105. It was a bummer all the way, nothing new at all . Even made Jodi look worse doing all the stabbing in the shower. When my GF saw TA in the shower she asked how did Jodi ever get him in there? Hell they showed it like he never left.

  106. The tabloids are not going to show TA in any other light other than a pure victim. This is another reason why I have been so vocal about the hard drive pictures. Some of the most conclusive evidence yet that there was no premeditation. I would even go so far as to say that if these pictures were obtained and made public through rules of evidence, a bit of doubt might be created about the rest. Also, once the pictures are public, all of the gas can and other travel BS can be trashed.

  107. Lets be real clear on the right to self defense…no matter what any state says as long as one is under any attack (continual) then Your right to defend takes precedent over any so called law…laws are struck down often in appeals. This he never attacked Her…well his wounds do prove that he did attack and at least….4 or more times. Did she have back up as most police….who would dare call 911 in an on going attack. The world knows what a violent person that t-dog was….and threats are violence as are breaking a finger or hitting a person on the face….some say Her words not the truth…well his truth of his violent ways are on video…as he pretends to murder a man who only wanted to ask his wife a question and then during a PPL meeting in Al. he speaks of murdering 3 times…just as he spoke of rape 3 times on children…opps I forgot how he attacked her twice as she slept…under the law one can not do that as it is rape…but he BRAGGED about it with glee…”not many guys would do that”…..fucking right ass hole on the bragging. All the woman haters must love to be attacked as they sleep. What man let alone a man of faith does such evil and what church would stand by such a man???? Appeals courts have a duty to do right…read that back if Your slow on the facts. Their job is not to protect the system….no any judges that go into combat….protecting the system and in the military no back up most times…Every man for Himself…. When the state does wrong why do they never want to pay any price for that…are they above the law? It must be so easy to kill in the name of the people or do harm to others claiming it’s for the good of all…LWOP is nothing but a slow death. But when Our leaders are wrong why do they not face what they gave to others…..where is the tough on crime then… Yes it would be so nice to find hidden evidence to prove her words…but We have in the porn found on a loaner P/C…and so much one could not miss it but fuck they sure did…there is a lot of evidence proving Her words but sad to say not of the states words…time and time again they played both sides of an issue. WHY? Amazing all the proof he was an abuser of many but not to a haters mind…birds of a feather…. She did not shoot him in the head…the gun went off and he was shot in the head…who runs at a person holding a gun at them and crashes into them…a man of wrath that’s who…a t-dog and he was not down for long was he as up he got to take a look in the mirror…is that called fear? Not in My book or anywhere else. Some idiots think She is so guilty but yet She alone stopped them 4 times…it was She who hire J. Bond to find the evidence on the lap top was it not? Why was that not done in the first trial…ask a fuck who tried to make $ off of Her thus using his client….for gain. Wonder where he will work next…fires with that?

  108. Not really following what may be on the hard drive that would be so material to the case that there would be a good chance the jury would have reached a different verdict. Those 13 calls prior to her arrival would cast doubt that the visit was unannounced. Then the fact TA didn’t exactly toss her out buy tossed her in bed and let her stay for 14 hrs +. Now if the state messed with any of the evidence then Jodi walks .

  109. Could not disagree more …the jury can reach ANY verdict it wants to as far as the system thinks…See o.j. jury interview…payback for LAPD mistreatment over many years and no contempt of court on their part was given. That jury let him go to punish LAPD and the system. Her first jury and most of the other wanted only to take Her life and for any reason. Do any think the state will fail again if given 4 more chances to murder her,Yes 4 more tries. That is why the appeals must end this joke of justice and bring the clowns to trial for ever charging Her as they faked evidence…this She killed a man…who ABUSED her often as he abused others…..We all know of his KNOWN violent ways for they are on the web …posted by his friends and family…talk about a WTF moment. No trial hings on one thing trust me on that…take o.j. ‘s fake trying to put that glove on…leather when wet(blood) shrinks..but given a bit of effort can be stretched and put on…all that had to be done in that trial was for a man with as big a hand or bigger to try to put on that glove and bingo o.j. goes to D/R unless his jury does not want him to…..and the other man must be black just to prove a point. There is a ton of evidence to prove She was fighting for Her life….but her jury was blinded by hate …just listen to them and their lack of reasons for conviction. This idea that one new thing will free Her is hope beyond reason…..the only thing that will save Her now is judges doing their jobs they took oaths on as they do the right thing. Even the system does not trust juries as they can be over ridden and are. Think about 12 …NO BODIES who get to judge You and do as they please…is that not how the system works…ever hear of one jury being sent to prison for harming someone …with a wrongful conviction…listen to Her jurors and ask….how did they use evidence to convict. hate yes!

  110. Billy.

    My argument about the hard drive pictures is this: As Jodi states in her post conviction interview, she was at a monastery near Oregon with her sister taking pictures and NOT robbing her own home of a .25 gun and anything else. This evidence, in turn, literally destroys the premeditation arguments that JM rode like Zorro throughout both trials. The defense can then focus more on the actual scene. The 13 phone calls would be even better if calls were “text saved”. The defense could then destroy the claims that she went unannounced but was coerced to detour from seeing Ryan. I would hope that the fact that 13 phone calls exist is evidence enough that TA was not threatened by Jodi but was making long distance booty calls.
    Jodi’s problems will be trying to prove the abuse since no police reports or witnesses exist or that can be tracked down to verify that. Jodi also mentioned that some of her selfies during that trip which are also on those drives might show bruises.

  111. As you know the cops searched both houses for bullets that matched the one left at the crime scene. They came up empty. Thanks for the info on the hard drive. That Reelz gig made it look like TA never left the shower. If he was out even my GF said there was no way she could get him back in if he were dead with that 4″ riser and the small enterence way. Then again I would need someone to explain away the 8 pices of evidence that say she wasn’t there when TA was killed. Oh I think she was but there is evidence that says she was not.

    • Always comes back to Reasonable Doubt everywhere. The prosecution so-called evidence should not be trusted, imo, too many things mishandled, withheld and deleted. Jodi should have been acquitted. Self defense is not a crime and it has appeared to be just that. The non sequestered jury and the grieving Alexander family of actors were ridiculous. Nurmi’s damaging personal comment about Jodi was also a BIG no-no!
      She needs us to HELP!

  112. The case is riddled with doubt. Two guys living in that house banging their bimbos for five days and nights with no one using the laundry room ? Well they did but the dates keep changing after JM puts the time stamps on the pictures.

  113. Are threats not abuse…he did tell Her She had …NOT…seen his worse…so he told Us that he had showed her violence in the past…broken finger! As for bullets not found…it is common for folks to have a .25 and only a few rounds…a box costs more then the gun! 4 in. riser can be over come rather easy as We do not know who put him there… We? But even young ladies have lifted cars to save their dads…no one knows how strong they are till the moment…Remember a jury may do as they please…see Her jury speak in interviews….ABC’s diana ,mary lou,and kevin…talk about hate lies and vile…at times they sounded as if they were retarded. Not once did they ever speak to evidence that lead them to facts and reason. So much for taking an oath and being held accountable. Seems the state does not obey the law…..very odd. But all about the win at any cost and getting a better job.

  114. They did find I box of .25’s at the parents house but a different brand, not Winchester. Now had they found a box of Winchester hollow points , I would be in cloned to ride on the other side of the fence. That would be clear and convincing evidence. That never happened. The whole case is just about all speculation, conjecture and surmise.

    • The bullets were the reason I had focused so much on the pictures.
      I am not well versed on the movement of the body. If Jodi knows she didn’t move him, then who the hell did?

  115. The bullets and gun are why I have been emphasizing the hard drive pictures. Obviously, she didn’t rob her own home which means she did not have her grandfather’s gun with his bullets. Therefore, it proves that she shot him with HIS OWN gun with his bullets which is also why he was still standing. The REELZ show apparently only came about because the claims of the police/prosecution erasing porn evidence gained traction and have been shown to be true. However, the fact that the show will not even entertain the argument that TA chased her throughout the hallway, closet and bathroom area, sustaining a gunshot wound to the temple and then tackling her again and sustaining knife wounds from Jodi defensively still shows the entertainment element and not factual element.
    I also noticed a clip of Nurmi during his opening/closing where he argues the charge should be NO MORE THAN MANSLAUGHTER as the worst scenario due to either passion or self defense that went too far. Is this what Jodi was perfectly willing to plead to during her pro se period before the state turned her down?

  116. Who cares so long as there would have been an expert to say Jodi could not have done it. Let JM find the guy who moved TA into the shower. In to OJ case they had an expert so that OJ was no longer anything near to what he was. Just eek up creating doubt at every turnband you win.

  117. Lance the bullet type would tend to evidence it was not the grandfather’s gun. Jodi’s statement would tend to evidence it was TAs gun. TA being in the shower following a round trip down the hallway would tend to evidence another person or persons were there. Nothing clear here at all just like most of the case. Then you have that bloody boot print.

  118. The boot print is something I obviously missed. The movement of the body was not really emphasized because the attack ended on the floor. Obviously, Jodi wasn’t wearing boots so who’s print was it?
    To me, the fact that she didn’t burglarize her own home obviously is the only proof needed. The fact that Yreka didn’t even consider her a suspect didn’t matter to JM at all. This is another reason why JM cannot be on this case because of his dismissal of obvious circumstances. The simple physics of a 120lb female trying to move 190lbs of DEAD WEIGHT how many feet and up and over a 4″ shower riser without creating blood smears and drag marks on the tile???

    • Unfortunately, from my personal experience there is no moving a 200 lb body by one 120 lb woman or even two together couldn’t have done it. Impossible. Perplexing.

  119. Right Lance and the fact that the jury never heard anything about the hollow point vs the round nose made it almost a slam dunk for the Bandito. Where was the defense team on this ??? Nothing on the burglary except the rash of same in the neighborhood. That had to be knocked out or pack it up . As for the bloody print ?? The fact that no effort was made to find out whose it was speaks volumes. Or was there and JM didn’t like what was found.

    As for me if Jodi said she did it she could have proved it to the jury by recreating moving the dead weight up and down the distance of the hallway then putting it into a shower stall with a 4″ riser. Bring in a PHd in physics to show the jury the force necessary to do this after Jodi fails the test. Create Doubt big time. Just like OJ with the glove.

  120. Great point! I would almost guarantee that Jodi rode Nurmi hard to point out that she wasn’t even there. The pictures would have (or still will speak) spoken for themselves and destroyed JM’s claims. Unfortunately, Jodi doesn’t have a lot of concrete evidence to destroy JM’s claims but this was absolutely one of them. The next goal would be to show a jury that the knife was a weapon of opportunity that was already upstairs which is how she had access to it. These two things would go a long way to creating the doubt that she needs.

  121. The Appeals Process and moving forward.
    Does anyone know, who is Jodi’s current Attorney? Who will be her Appeals Attorney?
    It is most difficult, to do all those things needed, to fight for Freedom from behind bars, or in a small prison cell, with limited outside legal support. What about all those files and court recordings and testimony that she would need? Who has them?
    There are a lot of questions that need to be answered, and a lot of aid needs to be in place to communicate and prepare for another trial.
    Jodi day to day job duties and survival, limits her to do those things needed for an appeals trial. Who is the Judge? Will Camp Perry remand her back to the goofy sheriff to be closer to the court house? We all know the Legal System is broken and one sided, and as we understand, that this would be her one and only chance to fight for freedom. We all have seen the circus corrupt trial that railroad her for self defense. How about another Internet letter writing campaign. We cannot let this get swept under the rug. So many questions yet to be asked. Our best wishes to Miss Jodi and remember NEVER, EVER Give up. FIGHT for your Freedom. You have our support. MP

  122. MP..

    As far as I know, Jodi has court appointed appeal attorneys adding to her record in preparation for an appeal. The issue is her state funded appeals will expire at some point in the future. Thus the appeals fund to help her.
    she would indeed be sent back to Maricopa jail during an appeal and retrial. Our goal is to promote the real story of June 4 and the events leading up to it that will put this case in a different light and show her as the true victim.

  123. Lance is right. As far as I know, Jodi is well represented right now by at least four lawyers, two criminal and two civil. On the criminal side, two very vigorous public-defender specialists will be writing her appeals. This will be a slow process; it was only a few weeks ago that complete trial transcripts were even available. She also has two civil lawyers, who recently got Nurmi disbarred for his book. Jodi can meet with all these people in Perryville prison and answer their questions whenever necessary.

    That said, as always, all contributions to her appellate fund or to her commissary account will be put to good use! That is the most important thing that her supporters can do to help.

  124. Thanks Alan. I did not know she had four attorneys though
    Apparently, that court reporter finally got the transcripts done!! Hey it’s only been 2 years!!!!!!!!
    I would still like to know if Jodi has any legal avenues to fast track the civil judgment against Nurmi. I will always believe that his book money would possibly jump start her securing new effective counsel. The only question is how hard would Nurmi fight to keep it?

    • Jodi’s civil lawyers have an excellent record so far. I expect we can rely on them to do whatever else is feasible on her behalf.

  125. THANK YOU TO ALL WHO HAVE DONATED TO JODI’S APPEALS FUND! Please keep giving whenever you are able! ♥ THANK YOU!!!!!

    Note: Ray Chastain is recovering well and might return home today. Please keep him in your prayers. ((((((TEAM JODI)))))) FREE JODI AZ!!!!! ♥

  126. I sure hope so Alan. Nurmi getting disbarred is only the beginning. He needs to cough up some proceeds for the fund!
    Good to hear about Ray!

  127. I am really glad to hear that Ray is on the mend and will soon be back in the saddle!

    I was very disappointed, but not surprised to learn that Martinez got a pass from the Az Supreme Court for his book even though they found a lot of problems with his writing it. There are 11 cases referred to in Keifer’s article involving that little rat. Crooked system!!

  128. Absolutely Carol!
    I remember somebody else mentioning this fact in another thread. I can’t imagine any other jurisdiction having a prosecutor with 11 cases that are considered suspect. I can almost guarantee that he would have been canned and/or possibly prosecuted on the east coast for all of his behavior and antics.

  129. Just wanted everyone here to know that this is the post that completely converted me, if that counts for anything. At first I was 100 percent convinced she was guilty. As I watched videos of the trial (yes, I am quite late to the game) and did some investigating (and soul searching) I was on the fence. Then I found this site, spent many hours looking and reading, came across this post, and BAM! Now you have another on her side-the more the merrier right? 🙂 I do have a question or two for all you “old timers” (no disrespect)–and please forgive my ignorance–is the option for an appeal for Jodi still on the table? If so, when might that happen? Also, I would really love to write to her…is it honestly worth it to do so, or would my letter just get lost in the shuffle? Does she reply or does she get too much mail to be able to do so? Thank you in advance for any answers 🙂 I have read many of your comments and it seems to me that the majority of you are quite intelligent, insightful, delightful people-I look forward to talking to you all should you choose to welcome me in… 🙂

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