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Good Morning everybody!!! 😀
I would like to remind everyone that there is a big difference between what is probable and what is provable. The defense does not have to make sense of the events on June 4th. The prosecutor does.
“We are not sure what actually happened, but we think XYZ makes the most sense” = NOT GUILTY.
I have been trying to explain to people they have NOT proven she went there wanting or planning to kill him. And we all know what happens next…
oops..missed the “book” i wrote to go with the above post…here it is. PS, good morning all!
How can the jury find the defendant guilty? They don’t get to use “the force”, “the feeling in their gut”, “magic beads”, or flip a coin….
Here are the steps:
1) The criminal act: The first thing the legal system must prove in a court of law is that a crime was committed. Part of this legal requirement is proving that the defendant committed the act in question. Simply proving the defendant did “A” crime doesn’t prove they did “the” crime they were charged with. These charges cannot be vague. They each have very specific criteria to meet.
Example: A cop cannot give you a ticket for speeding, unless he can charge you with going a specific MPH, even if he KNOWS you were obviously going way over the speed limit. He has to pick a MPH and charge you with that speed.
2) Intent: The Prosecutor must prove that the defendant intended to do the crime. However, there are levels to intent. The intent can be straight forward or incidental. These are “accidental, negligent, knowingly or purposely”. In this case, the prosecution has chosen the hardest of these 4 to prove which is “purposely” or “pre-meditated”. If you are able to prove that a specific crime occurred, then you must prove that the defendant intended to do that crime.
Example: If a person plans to rob a bank, then robs the bank. He could be charged and found guilty of “premeditated robbery”. (Not that there is such a charge..lol) If a man plans to rob a bank, then robs the bank, then accidently smashes the getaway car into tree, he cannot be charged with premeditated tree Murder. He would be charged with Felony tree killing, as he was planning on robbing the bank, he hurt the tree on accident while committing a felony. This tree killing would fall under the “knowingly” or “negligent” types of intent, because it is reasonable to “know” a tree could be injured while speeding away from a bank robbery.
3) Beyond reasonable doubt: others. The “beyond a reasonable doubt” standard basically means that the legal system must prove, without question, that every act of the charge was committed by the defendant. The proof provided by the prosecution would make you decide guilty in your own life. If the jury finds it “highly unlikely” that the defendant DIDN’T do it, they have not reached the point of “beyond a reasonable doubt”. There can be ZERO doubt. They cannot simply ask themselves “which is most likely, the defendants story or the states story?”.
4) The defense: The legal system provides the defendant with several protections. These protections include the right to remain silent during questioning, the right to an attorney, the right to question witnesses and the right to trial by a jury of her peers. A defendant who does not have the funds to pay for an attorney will have a defense attorney assigned to him by the court. Some defenses allow the defendant to admit to a criminal act, but claim that he had reason to do so. For example, the defendant committed the crime in self-defense, the defendant was under duress or pressure to commit the crime or the defendant was trapped into committing a criminal act; the last defense is commonly referred to as “entrapment.”
The judge has the right to add criminal counts to the case, after hearing all of the evidence and testimony. Even though the jury decides if the burden of proof has been reached, the judge can add “lesser” (but not greater) charges to the defendant. This allows a jury to feel no pressure to convict someone that has not been found guilty of a crime, yet they feel that the defendant did commit a crime. This is very rare, except in the highest of felony cases, which it is much more common.
So, what do you think? Me…
1)? The act: I don’t believe the state has even proven that a pre-meditated murder happened, let alone that the defendant was the one that did it. This was the reason that the defense ADMITTED to killing him, they knew that the state cannot prove it was premeditated or during the commission of a separate felony. The second “act” Felony…cough cough..murder? What felony? Besides the possible death itself, what crime was committed?
2)? Intent: This is the one I have the hardest time with, and I believe this is the one that the state will never get the jury to believe. Their story is what? That Jodi intended to go to Travis’s home, even though Travis invited her? Then she had sex with him, and let him take pictures of her there? Then she stabbed him first, even though she had a gun? Then she continued to stab him, as part of her master plan? Then she slit his throat, as part of her plan? Then she moved the bloody body all over the bathroom/hallway, as part of her plan? Then she spread around her DNA, Hair, finger prints and for good measure she planned on leaving her bloody PALM print in plain site…all as part of her plan. She then had a plan to clean up the scene, which included using a plastic cup and water from the same shower that the dead body was now in? She then planned on getting away with it by locking the door, where no one would ever smell the body and find the victim? Do they really see this as a planned event…how? The jury will NEVER buy that. Gas cans and stolen guns do not make up for the lack of organization to prove “premeditated”.
3)? Beyond reasonable doubt: There is no reason to doubt Jodi lied. There is no reason to doubt she attempted to cover up a killing. There is no reason to doubt that she made several very poor choices in her life. But, there is plenty of doubt for the actual charges in this case. Just because you can prove someone hit a dog with their car on Tuesday doesn’t mean they killed a horse on Thursday. Having doubt of some ones credibility does not give you the right to ignore the law, that you must be beyond a reasonable doubt as to the guilt of the SPECIFIC charge.
4)?Jodi has been allowed a fair defense in the court room. IMO. I believe that the prosecutor is a piece of shit, and that he is not the type of person we want defending the states laws. He is overzealous, manipulating the system, abrasive and rude. The people that break the law are allowed to lack standards, but not the officers of the court. Even with this, she has been afforded a proper defense. The prosecution on the other hand has not been forthcoming. This is not, in itself, a reason to throw out a case.
I do not think she has been allowed a fair defense in the court of public opinion. I feel it is the courts responsibility to ensure that the media does not insight a witch hunt, if they are going to allow the media into the court room. They can’t stop the media from saying what they say, but they can, in turn, stop them from having access with video cameras. The media SHOULD be allowed to show the trial, but they should have to do it with standards set beforehand. Much like the CSPAN type coverage of congressional hearings. This type of drama/entertainment TV would not be allowed to happen if that was a US senator on the stand. Jodi deserves the same respect, if not MORE respect, if for no other reason than she is a US citizen and I and many other men and woman earned her that right.
“We are not sure what actually happened, but we think XYZ makes the most sense” = NOT GUILTY.
A country cannot be judged based on how they treat their free men, but how they treat there imprisoned men.
Great post Sir!
Great post! Hopefully the HLN tainted jury will put aside their own feelings and consider only the FACTS that have been placed before them. Kermit hasn’t even come close to presenting a fact that this was premeditation.
This is a great post and couldn’t have been summed up better! I agree completely 🙂
Good Morning everyone!!!!!!
Brilliant sirlips! Thank you. I hope the Defense explains Reasonable Doubt as it pertains to this case explicitly to the jury in their closing arguments.
Good morning friends…Happy Tuesday! 🙂
Good morning/ buenos dias Jodi supporters. I’m just checking in 🙂
Feds say Dr Drew was paid (275,000 for 2 months) by Glaxo to talk up an anti-depressant:
will…your link is blank?????
He depresses the hell out of me. Maybe that’s all part of the contract he has with the drug company. He depresses the massess with his BS on Tabloid TV and then reccomends the drug.
corrected the link….click here to see his picture and read the report on the amount he was paid….
the Steve Tyler link didn’t not work either. could u uplease repost?
truthseeker………….thank you for correction to the Dr. Drew link 🙂
Yeah… don’t get me started on Dr Drew. That’s one out of many reasons I refuse to take his career as a “healer” seriously.
Good morning, peeps!!
Hey you how are ya? 🙂
Hey guys…………….. I am okay. ! Lots of work to do today, but really hoping to be able to multi task….
Will the defense rest it’s case today?
Damn was trying to get firsties lol. Support Jodi on Facebook http://www.facebook.com/teamarias no haters 🙂 we ban with a passion 🙂
TB you run this fb page? I liked it a few weeks ago 🙂
Yes I do 🙂
Yes,I’m a member there-nice,safe cool page!!!
Are you one of the admins TB?
I’m the only Admin 🙂
Oh,great! technical question:I thinbk it was on your page that was posted that we can write emails and you print them out and send them to Jodi?Or am I mixing pages up?Sorry,I’m a member in a few FB pages.
American Idol Judge Steven Tyler “rips Dr Drew “Celebrity Rehab”.
What time was court suppose to start today????
Groundhog Day!!! Again.
Nurmi is wearing black and salmon striped socks!
I think I have seen that God awful ugly seal more than I have seen my kids since January…
lol wow… I bet its burned into all of our corneas by now 🙂
No chit…LOL LOL
I know an expert that could check for you. 😉
But, be warned, he may find a dog. Dont shoot the messanger.
Judge Stephens just called counsel back into chambers. #JodiArias
thank you Renee….
Hi All *\ 😀 /*
Good Morning, Dorothy, MB, Janeen and Maria and All of Team Jodi. I am hoping for a more positive week and still for good things to come out of this tragedy. Keep the Faith 😀
Good morning cindyp 🙂
Hello Dorothy 😀
And good morning all Team Jodi <3
Hope this is a great day for the defense!!
From your lips to God’s ears…lol
Wow!I didnt know that english expression-so similar to a greek one ”From your mouth to God’s ear”
I have my cheering pompons and optimism!
Hello there Dorothy!! 🙂
What do think today has in store for us? I see court’s as prompt as ever 😉
I read the Flores Report from the link on here, and will say that report Alone would be reasonable doubt.
Hi llarkin, I was going to read the flores report this morning too, but it looked like a bunch of bs
Kn will rest
Then we get jm….
Keep posting cause Ivan only take so much of hln..
I bet they’ll start right about now!
LOL LOL LOL
😆 The official courtroom clock…love you 😉
Dorothy, it’s funny how you posted the NOW CLOCK. I was just watching some video onl iving the NOW lol
That was MB 🙂 who posted the clock. MB always comes through. 😆
Love you too <3 🙂
I love you both <3 🙂
I love you too maria <3 🙂
Good one MB!!!!!
LOL,I love your funny pics MB!!
I have not seen Alyce yet but she usually chills in the back room before making an entrance anyhow. #JodiArias
Wild About Trial
Do you think she’s finished testifying? I hope that’s the reason she isn’t there yet.
Maybe.Closed hearing anyhow,right?No jury present.
Was the jury instructed on what time court started today?
The judge said yesterday that they should be there 9.30…
they are in making donuts in chambers…lol
Well…at least it’s donuts and not …pie…unless “donuts” has a hidden meaning YIKES! It COULD!
Ready to do…..and shocker…chambers right off the bat. Hope it is a brief one. Oh….good afternoon everyone!!
Good afternoon Anna!
Hey Anna 🙂
Nurmi and Flores are up visiting the stapler lady while we wait for the Judge and #JodiArias
Wild About Trial
LOL Janeen……they probably have a buffet back there. 🙂
Yes Anna! And I’m sure it has pickles, coffee, dog biscuits for Massengil…..
”dog biscuits” LOL,LOL and what do frogs eat????
flies???? LOL LOL
lol lol ,you’re right!!!!! Imagine Kermit putting his tongue out to grab flies HAHAHA!!! Well,better opening his mouth to do THAT than ranting!
Tossed salad (with only one choice for dressing…begins with a K ends with a Y) and PIE for desert 😉
I don’t know why but I have a good feeling that today is going to be a great day for the defense! Anyone else share that optimistic feeling?????
So do I !!!
Yesterday was a good day too.
Yes, I do too!
? Do we know for a fact that TA was estranged from his siblings? If so, where can I read about that? And why, other than the obvious, were they estranged?
…cuz I thought I read somewhere he was only estranged from 2 or 3 brothers…
Read Flores report, it is stated in that document.
I remember reading here a while back that indeed they were estranged,they hadnt even visited his Mesa house,dont remember a link specifically though nor a reason mentioned for them being estranged.
Yah his sisters are for sure estranged. <—-LOL, see what i did there..estranged..har har.
Travis’ family is seated and ready to go. Still waiting. #JodiArias
Counsel is headed back to chambers. Stay tuned. #JodiArias
I notice a lot of new viewers in the comments under the live video!
Please be polite and helpful to these people, they deserve to hear the truth.
Not sure why I rushed on when I realized I was “late”.
Here we go….I think!!!!
Good Morning Peeps! I just wanna go ahead and set the tone with a big fat F U to Dirty Sanchez first thing! Go Team Jodi!!! I gotta good feeling about today!
Good morning Km!
Good Morning Janeen 🙂
Just saw Cruella de Vil pass before the camera!!!!!
OoH! Looks like a photo of Juan posing outside courthouse and then Nurmi pointed toit and gestured toward the JURY!
Juan looks PEEVED!
The defense is smiling… Juan is smiling… hmmmm
Pickles does not look happy.
defense sounded like they will rest
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO THEY DIDNT DO ENOUGH
Were off and running…………… buckle up for your safety ….
Whoa! Defense rests.
De Marte on the stand!!! Fasten ur seat belts ladies & gentlemen!!!
Comments on beth karas fbook page.. are saying how beautiful and smart DeMarte is.. omg.. so that means she so much smarter then someone like AL who has had 30 + years of experience??
Nurmi is Knockin’ It today!
OMG NO MORE Alyce 😥
Whata mean? Did the instruct jury to disregard her testimony?
I mean “rested” not closed.
Anybody else nervous??
Yeah, I feel like I’m going to barf.
Not at all, I think Alyce’s testimony, along with her experience, has it all over this young woman. Experience teaches SO much more than schooling alone and testing defendant, 12 hours of assessment time… Not enough…Don’t be nervous.
Who is de marte?
I’m announcing it now….I’m CHANGING MY NAME…..
How come Janeen?haters trouble?
No because of this person having it too! LOL LOL
NO!!!! DON’T!!!!! You were here first!
OH boy, she looks like a totally JOKE
She’s a baby compared to ALV.
agreed Maria! I know she has not even half of the experience in the field as ALV did!!
What’s this chick going to testify to?
Here come Dr DeMarte. Should be interesting. I am so curious about the tests she gave to Jodi as well as if she interviewed anyone else (other than Jodi)
She is saying you must take her journal at face value.. no meaning behind the written word. I am thinking this is where JM is going to go with this.. She also doesnt rely on records etc.. she said.. This should all get very interesting… and the man still paces.. drives me nuts..
Do we know if AL had her on record deal yet?
How many rebuttal witnesses will Juan have? anyone know?
Janeen Damarte U Mass…wouldn’t be so proud of THAT…just saying
Or how about that attempt to “smart up” her MSU to U of M?
Not a pyschiatrist? How can Juan believe her?
Not to mention her very small amount of experience.
LOL! She is NOT gonna be more credible than EITHER of the Defense experts!! LOL This is gonna be HILARIOUS!!
I can tell you this right off the bat! Mark my words!
Ha! Ha! Ha! assessments on children…………LOL OMG….. so laughable.
she seems a bit nervous too KM!!!
KMiller, Hearing you LOUD and clear and agree
Shes talking fast fast fast
Is any body else surprised that the defense rested without calling either an ME or a crime scene specialist?
Me! Do they get rebuttal case? Maybe they want to save that for the end. Bigger impact?
crime scene specialist would have been great, but the issue is that the judge wasnt going to let anyone testify to the “pre-mediated” vs “in the moment” look of the crime scene. She had already made it clear that the jury was to decide pre-med, not have an expert tell them. That is why the DR couldnt say …what was it…intrucive vs pasive scene..or what ever it was. basically saying if it looked pre med or not.
I’m not sure what else the CSI could have testified to, that could help the case. AND, the CSI could have hurt them, if the testimony got twisted by pros limp dick.
A crime scene specialist could have at least examined the blood spatters and given valid support for Travis being shot first. A different pathologist could have confirmed that Travis could have still been conscious after being shot.
I think that point is critical. If the jury goes back and says the ME says stab first & believes it is scientific fact, there could be a big problem here. I think the defense really needs to hit the ambiguity on this ME’s interpretation.
I am already laughing……….. for JUAN
FUJuan…Is your Mum okay?
I wonder who is going to XE this woman…….
Wilmott I’m guessing.
Yeah, she’s been the psych specialist in this case.
yea.. shes doing alot of writing.. hope she comes up with some zingers…
Willmott is objecting so I assume she will XE
I agree Maria and not only that every answer she has her eye brows move up.
She is so inexperienced as well as, in my opinion, arrogant. And every sentence sounds rehearsed. I am anxious for cross!
I can’t watch live for another hour. Does she look as young as she is?
Yep,young young young…
Nothing wrong with being young – you can’t help when you were born! However, she has not had the time to emass the same amount of experience as AL and Samuels. Regardless of who does the cross will do an excellent job.
I didnt mean it in a bad way,Frannie.I am actually 2 years younger than her,lol! Just tried to point out her inexperinece thru her age.Sorry if it sounded offensive.
But you are so much wiser!
She looks 25. But I think she has to be older than that.
I think she’s the same age as Jodi!
She’s 32 years old.
Hardly the best person you want in a capital murder case.
I believe she’s 32 or 33.
Is she making her resume sound good? There’s not much on it.
Yes. Making her resume sound pretty good. She is also saying that she did not evaluate Jodi alone (if I did not misunderstand her)
Crap, she just said she is familiar with LaViolette. She is criticizing the masters degree. And saying, I’d be ALV’s supervisor
Uh, no she wouldn’t because she wouldn’t hired as she is too inexperienced for the job.
Also Abused, Well…from her education stand point I would hardly put UMass up there on the list of…how should I say this diplomatically…well I can’t seem to find a way to say it, I wouldn’t send my kids there if I was SERIOUS about them getting a quality education.
In fairness, CUNY is no Harvard either, but when you back that up with decades of experience…
Experience is the KEY word here. Did he ask her if she has ever testified in court before.
Yes. She is very young, very attractive. Very sweet demeanor. Martinez is being very nice too.
Isn’t this the whiteness who had her laptops stolen with all her info regarding this case? What is she going from Samuels info he provided?
I’m sure she had back up copies.
I don’t think so. I remember weeks before the trial starting Nancy Grace had mentioned it that she was using the defense provided information and her written notes.
I wouldn’t believe Pansy Disgrace though. I mean, Alyce read a report by DeMarte so …
That’s pretty funny considering he tried to discredit Samuels. He is going to loose credibility from the jury I would think
Yes, this is her.
Question? (yes I’m new to posting) What will happen to her career if the Jodi haters disagree with her?
With DeMarte?Trust me,the haters are gonna LOVE HER!!!
Wow, she seems to not have nearly enough experience by Juan’s standards. ???
15 evaluations? Lets get REAL JM!!
didn’t want to get licensed right away…. that’s almost unheard of…. not to take the board right away. She wanted more experience.
What? She was in school the whole freaking time That’s BS!
Yes. That was a suspicious statement I hope the cross-exam explores. Who would voluntarily decide not to become licensed after years of education with that as a goal? Doesn’t make sense. I hope the jury is smart enough to remember La Violette (sp?) saying that the journal entry was just “one component” of a lot that she took into consideration. JM tried to make it look like reading one entry was all that La Violette had done.
Probably didn’t think she would pass.
Love KN tie!!!!
I wish this chick would stop “swinging” back and forth in the chair.
I’m thinking JM…would like to screw her….just saying
Yes the chair swing is distracting and she’s only been in it for barely 5 minutes. By day 10 she’ll be doing complete circles
well, i havent even seen her and i want to…whats your point. lol
(ducking and waiting for the shoes to fly towards my head)
haha,,, no shoes! 🙂 It’s annoying and my take is she’s nervous. If JM would be attacking her in typical JM style and she were on the DT side, she’d be spinning in circles …
You haven’t seen her yet and you want to what? Screw her, throw a shoe at her or just see her do the chair spin thing…? ;-))
Is it ok to do all three…not at the same time obviously, you could mess up your shoe?
JENNY is gonna tear this baby to shit and back.
OH YEAH!! 😉 Can’t wait for cross!!! 😉
I used to work with LCSW and MSW…this girl can’t come close to ALV
If this baby was a witness for the DT Juan would have her in tears in 30 seconds!
I was thinking the exact same thing, she sounds nervous enough and he is actually being relatively polite. His voice hasn’t kicked into high gear/warp speed yet. I hope the defence tears her to shreds in a nice way 🙂
Well, I guess prosecution couldn’t get anyone with more experience..wonder WHY that is..? hmmm… leaves one wondering.
well after seeing how he treated one of his own witnesses(the camera/audio guy) when he was on the stand for the defense in this trial, i can see why no one would want to work with this little fuck stain.
…My sentiments as well…not easy to be around for any length of time IMO
30 students for a study is not large… anything over a 100 is large and used for research
I bet ALV would clinically supervise this chick and say…hmmm lack of experience lol
All of the stuff she is explaining she did is just part of school work.
Not what is really considered experience
Hope our girl Jenny points all that out!
Her hands are SHAKING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
two year olds going to therapy, FK two year old don’t even speak at two ………..
Despicable! Yes, I’d be ALV’s supervisor because I have a PhD and she just has a masters. As if she’d know more than ALV (a pioneer in her field).
Martinez has sunk to a new low.
She said that?????? OMG
Matinez made her say. She said she supervises masters students. Then Martinez asked her if she knew of ALV, and she said yes. Then Martinez asked her if ALV would be someone she’d supervise, and she said yes, because ALV had a masters degree only.
Martinez is really one to twist stuff around.
When he asked her if she knowa ALV she didnt say yes she said ”YES!!” ,noticed her inflection??WTF?
Maybe she would be qualified to supervise ALV….if they both worked at the Clinique counter!
Having a PhD means you know a lot from books,doesnt mean she can be compared to ALV’s hands-on experinece!!!
I know that wasn’t really her fault. It was Martinez’s fault for making it seem like DeMarte is more knowledgeable than ALV just because she’d be her supervisor.
I just find that line of questioning disgraceful.
Ok there are two kinds of therapists
1) 80% book education and 20% heart knowledge
2) 80% heart knowledge and 20% book education.
I think we know who falls where lol
This little girl is who we are supposed to trust when it comes to Jodi’s mental state? I’m sure she’s a lovely person and I refuse to trash her as A.L. was, but based on her limited experience I already don’t believe a word she says!
I have no need to trash her either. She’s a young doctor who has lots of education but little real life experience.
I cannot see myself feeling safe or confident with her in a therapy setting if I were to seek help.
She seems way to clinical for my tastes in relation to a mental health professional.
I don’t mind my cardiologist being clinical but thats a whole different area. Whether I lie to my cardiologist or not, my blood test will tell him the truth. Whole different ballgame in mental health.
Alyce, with her style and experience and ability to come across as she really cares about helping and understands intimate partner relationships and how non linear they are beats the baby psych doc hands down.
It would be interesting to hear baby doc after she’s been at this for 30 plus years and has some real life experience. Wonder if she’d have the same view.
She just doesn’t cut the grade, but the very fact she is there is damning for the prosecutor, not for the defense.
The state couldn’t anybody with extensive experience to testify on their behalf. That needs to be brought home to the jury.
i would be more likely to open up to someone like AL then this one…
Luck for this Lady that We won’t ruin her career before it even gets started like the Taliban would.
Was everything her “Primary” role?
That was crappy to drop ALs name. I think he has a personal grudge against her. AND, he must really fear ALs testmony to try and keep dragging her down. It will be interesting to hear if he brings up Samuels, condisdering he is a PhD also.
He has a personal grudge with anything that relates to JA or a snippet of evidence that may help JA.
YOU don’t need a Ph.D to administer assessments or test. States only require you have a master’s and be license
School psychologists routinely administer tests, and they aren’t required to have Ph.D.s.
That’s what I thought. You need a clinical masters degree or something.
I know SLPs (speech-language pathologists) are licensed to administer standardized tests as long as they hold a masters degree and a license.
Special education teachers can even administer I.Q. tests, and they will work with the school psychologist to arrive at a diagnosis, since the teacher cannot do it.
She is NOT addressing the jury very well at all when she answers she questions!!
No, just matter of fact, and seems anxious..
OMG SHE IS A BABY
Fresh from the womb :l
Good day, ya all.
She was licensed in 2010, didn’t she interview Jodi in 2009?
No she took on the case in late 2010.
She did interview in 2009 (is what I read), but I think she just said she did not interview Jodi alone, I think she had a supervisor.
No. She said she took along an inexperienced evaluator to show how it is supposed to be done.
The state’s witness is pretty. (Yes, I’m capable of complimenting a witness for the state, unlike the pro-pros people who bashed all of the defense witnesses, even their looks).
I do not concur…
Oh yes she is pretty. But I’m having a hard time thinking someone with 4 years experience is an expert. I have 33 years experience and don’t typically think I’m an expert.
No, I don’t think she is an expert either. She kind of seems like she is confused at times.
She’s totally prettier than Dr. Samuels. I will concede that.
I think Alyce is very pretty too, especially for a 65 year old woman.
Pfft…Implying SHE has one up on Alyce LOL…I bet Alyce could TEACH!…she “supervised” ALV? To what extent?
She didn’t say she had supervised AV. She said if she worked with AV, since AV has master’s and this gal has doctorate, the doctorate would supervise the master’s person, so whats her name would supervise AV. It was hypothetical–not that she had supervised her.
Rebecca, she did say she (JD) “supervised her”. I’m fairly certain. My point was, to what extent? You answered my question. Thanks.
Did she just have the NERVE to utter the word BIASED???????????????????
Yeah…RIGHT…Hope she got PAID well…..Wonder if that will be a defense question (doubt it)
someone should remember to ask her what shes being paid..
M’s witness is coming off a bit condescending to me. But it’s still early.
I agree Jaz!!!
Yes, and the look on Nurmi’s face matches mine.
She had a handful of patients….children… I really can’t wait to hear what she has to say. Is the the lady whose home was burglarized and had her jodi file computer stolen?
One and the same, how professional
She is totally unqualified for this.
It should tell you how reluctant truly experienced and reputable psychologists/psychiatrists were in helping the state.
tonysam, My speculation exactly… I believe learned/ experienced experts wouldn’t want to testify against Jodi. I wonder if other experts turned down the prosecution in this case….hmm
WildAboutTrial @WildAboutTrial 3m Dr. Janeen is familiar with Alyce, says Alyce has her masters degree in marriage and family counseling. She supervised Alyce.
WildAboutTrial @WildAboutTrial 4m Dr. Janeen is very well spoken and easy to understand. She addresses the jury as she continues to go over her background.
Is this true?
I’m biased and I find her very clinical and unexperienced but trying to come across as experienced because she has an impressive education.
It’s hard to judge as JM is being nice compared to his attacks at Samuels and Alyce.
I’d love to see her under the same attack.
I can’t watch LIVE, but I read up above that the baby said she COULD supervise her because of the degree difference
I hope someone who can watch today will supply the accurate answer.
I told y’all the haters have no comprehension!
No. She did not supervise ALV. She said she would if ALV worked with her
Yeah,Martinez used the 2d Conditional and she had to answer that she WOULD supervise ALV.
Pick something out the air…PTSD….WHAT AN ASS JM is!!!!
If I was seeking care Alyce’s warm style and experience would make me feel much more safe.
Her attitude, very clinical, comes across as *know it all* with out years to back it up. I’d have a hard time letting my guard down with her.
I do agree with you there. I will just try to give her the benefit of the doubt.
give me strength to do so 😉
this baby doesn’t even know how to comb her hair….please stop calling me “Janeen” – let’s go with “J” from now on – PLEASEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Are you serious? She said that?
NOOOOO – I am saying it!!!! LOL LOL LOL
She has a good amount of education and degrees. She has decent career experience as well, (director of the behavioral health center) etc….so her credentials are not in question. Her age and lack of years on the job so to speak will be up to the defense to attack if they choose. I’m not sure if they will, we shall see. She seems nervous on the stand imo.
On another subject, I wonder if we will find out what happened with ALV in chambers? Maybe it was sealed so we may never know….anyone?
Primarily her experience is working with children.
She has no business being at this murder trial.
BY any chance did she mention anything in Domestic violence?
Not yet she hasn’t….. he’s going to destory Dr. Samuels first……..
Not yet Suzy.
Question of the hour:
Will Juan be able to restrain himself from attacking his own witness?
Where the fuck is she getting these records if they are a NEW CLIENT.???? God I could tear her to shreds if I was JW.
I hope JW is very polite when she does it.
If I understand your question correctly!
Martinez is making a terrible argument.
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LOL! # year degree lady, “Why don’t you tell Dr. Samuels how to do his job” After all YOU would know more than HE does after 35 years! LOL! This is comical. JW is going to easily make this girl a nonfactor.
I hope so, kmiller. I really do.
(waving hi to you, btw)
So she’s testifying to being completely literal?
This. Is. Laughable.
CAN’T WAIT for the cross on this.
Wonder how many days is this chick gonna be on the stand!
Kermit is such a slime ball!!!!
I can tell today is going to be very frustrating already. This expert is hardly older than me. Her lack of experience can only hurt the state.
She speaks lecturing and opening her mouth and teeth like a schoolteacher to kids.
“One piece of objective data” …she said it herself! Out of the mouth of babes…just saying…
Dr. Janeen is able to explain yes and no answers and JM is calm?? Am I watching the right trial?
His witness, of course he is going to be calm
Not necessarily. This is the first of his own witnesses he’s treated gingerly. That tells me two things: 1. That he is actually capable of shifting gears, and 2. He knows that she is too inexperienced to give her even the 2nd degree. My prediction: She will not fare well under cross.
“Sentience psychology” imo does not sound too far off from “law of attraction.”
The law of attraction as doctrine? Why in the fuck is he talking about this?
Martinez is very arrogant about degrees.
Oh, ALV didn’t have a PhD, that means she isn’t as qualified. He harps on that all the time
I think the older members of the jury will not fall for the line of doggy doo doo the baby is trying to force feed them..
They will KNOW that a baby with a “bigger” degree doesn’t mean a whole lot against someone who has the number of years of experience as Dr. S and ALV.
At least I am SURE some of them will.
On a brighter note, I think JW looks great today! I love her outfit.
Wouldn’t more time with the person mean uncovering more info about their life, etc.? Urghhh!
Omg, attacking the 44 hours??
That is exactly what I was thinking!
She’s just there to further shit on Alyce. She sounds so condescending. JM does love those PHDs. :eyeroll:
I’m going to be immature, but her flared nostrils and demeanor are making me uncomfortable.
And the apology? This is ridiculous.
Okay…..she’s a bitch!!!!
don’t hold back!
I usually don’t BeeCee:>))))))))
This line of questioning is absurd! And this so-called expert is mocking the amount of time the other experts spent? WTF! And if they spent only 3-4 hours (like this person said) then JM would have been all over that!
OMG,again Im saying this sounds so much as REHEARSED SPEECH on both their part!!!
Yeah, she’s a really bad actress.
Maybe I’m biased, but this witness sucks. Poor Juan…her few years of experience can’t hold up to either Dr. S. and Alyce.
She only had a year under her belft before interveiwing Jodi
Good grief. This is a travesty.
I kind of feel sorry for DeMarte in a way.
Any one screaming at their TV Right now????? Alyce is very compassionate about DV totally different then being a clinical psychologist.
You bet it’s different—somebody who has vast experience versus somebody who is barely out of diapers and who mainly works with children.
Remain clam. We need to wait until JW has a chance to ask questions. Then wait for jury questions. We will know more after that.
This is just the beginning
Now I want to slap her, her “like oh my god, like 44 hours?” And laughing…
She sounds like she’s acting. The way she became alarmed at the 44 hours sounded like she and JM had rehearsed it.
YES She is not likeable to me she is sooooooo Fake! Very rehearsed
I have seen kids doing mock trial who make more believable witnesses than this hack. No hyperbole.
Yes – people who are NOT compassionate go into this kind of work! IF that were true we would ALL be in trouble!
Wow. They are basically claiming that Dr. Samuels and ALV are baised!
Nk – I think that but now I also see he is immediately trying to cover his ass as to why she spent so LITTLE time with JA, imho
Saying they over stepped boundaries leading into a therepetutic relationship………
Are you surprised???
“I don’t know of people who apologize. It feels bad to me.”
“You should not feel compassion.”
JM has found his match.
LOL! Tonight we’ll see a picture of Juan and this lady out to dinner… he’s quickly falling in love with her lack of compassion.
“I don’t feel the need to apologize for anything.”
I would feel awful for reading someone else’s most private thoughts! I think it was a great thing to do. Alyce is an ABUSE specialist. Reading those journals is a violation on a personal level.
Plus, you don’t get diddly squat out of an abused person unless you find a way to relate to them.
How much is she getting paid?
I’m sure it’s according to a scale. Unless there is an *experience* component, I’m sure it’s in the $300/hr range like Samuels and LaViolette
I am trying very hard to be objective over here but her Valley Girl manner of speaking is turning me off. I am trying to be fair and listen to what she is saying but I find myself being annoyed. Am I becoming one of “them” and judging before I listen?
Ok so if 40 hours is too long to interview someone and YOU were the supervisor of the person who was doing that interview then obviously YOU weren’t doing YOUR job were you? And how is it that two people from the same office were sent to interview the same person? Isn’t that a conflict of interest? Am I missing something?
kermit was asking her hypothetically based on their respective degrees….she did not really supervise her.
Of course not, and she wouldn’t have anyway because she doesn’t have much experience.
Not to mention Alyce is in CA
As far as I heard, she said she would supervise Alyce because she has a master’s, not that she actually was her supervisor.
Oh thank the lord. That man totally confuses me. Imagine that 🙂
Oh, we know that…but realistically, somebody qualified would be supervised ALV, which includes having extensive experience.
I must has mis heard that part…maybe I can find it again. I could have sworn I heard her say that she DID supervise Alyce at some point. Even if she did, it doesnt mean anything. All psychotherapists have a supervisor at some point.
It was a hypothetical question! The two did not work together and this gal did NOT supervise ALV–it was JM’s way to emphasize this witness has a Ph.D and ALV only a master’s.
No…you aren’t missing nothing…same office…
Just like yesterday when JM was giving Bryan Neumeister, another expert witness that grilling interview…JM asked BN if he had ever done this type of video before…and Mr Neumesiter said that he was working on some other video’s for you, Mr. Martinez…the state…
caught myself doing the exact same here, trying to stop myself being biased. Dr DeMarte is making it tough on me though. Maybe I have too much experience with psychologists 🙁
I am dying to see this witch. I wonder if I can risk bringing my iphone to the bathroom for a peek. LOL
I would to also!
She keeps drinking water,her mouth’s so dry know why?Coz she knows she’s LYING!!!
Nah, MariaIt’s almost certainly because she has little or no experience testifying and she’s nervous.
Witness looked flustered as JM seemed to be yelling at her! I hope he ‘accidentally’ blows his top – again.
this testimony is making me fucking IRATE.
THIS BABY SENTIENCE COUNSELOR IS SO REHEARSED.
yet has no idea the circus she was just put in….
I agree Renee…who the hell is she to criticize ALV??????? HOW DARE SHE!!!
Like we discussed EARLIER>>> how many FK times is she going to state that today?
DISCREDITED>>>>>>>>>>>>> One year on the job ….. and she’s thinks she’s an expert … NOT>>>> Damn, I don’t drink,but I just might have to take a xanx today .. before I break my screen.
…..like I said before Renee…….she a BITC!! She thinks she is “better” then ALV and Dr S. Sittin’ up there like she has a stick up her azz……..just saying!!!
Is this bitch serious? How do you compare the career of Alice along with all her experience(s), years and hands on knowledge with someone who only finished her education 5 yrs ago? JM is reaching as usual.
So this lady expert thinks that 40 hours is extreme to evaluate someone….that you need to only have to evaluate someone for 1 hour…or 3 or 4 hours…
I am glad this chyte had not evaluated me and gave an opinion or diagnosis for me in 1,2, or 3 hours….sounds like she is not the expert that she is spouting that she is…maybe she needs to stay in her classroom just teaching people…
This is one instance that I don’t want Jennifer or nurmi to be nice!
Oh, I do! They’ve got plenty to destroy her credibility with without once raising a voice, eyebrow, pen, cup, anything. I think that it will be a masterful thing to watch, and I can’t wait.
Do you all think her eyes are really blue?
Oh geez, here we go with the gifts again.
We all knew JM and his expert would say they are the only one who knows the exact amount of time a experts should spend evaluating a person
Of course that is what JM will (and is trying now) to so. He wants to totally discredit both expert witnesses that the defense had. By constantly bringing up that ALV didnt have a doctorate, and his witness does. I am sure the jury caught that early on, and it will not matter to them. He will also try to show a difference in the way his witness tests vs Dr Samuels. Remember, it isn;t really a big deal, his main goal and his job really, is to try to discredit all the defense witnesses. The jury knows this and they will believe who they want to believe based on what they have heard so far.
Yeah, but her complete lack of any real experience other than working with children rather undercuts the whole thing.
If I were on that jury I would ask: Couldn’t Martinez find SOMEBODY in the United States who was seasoned and experienced to testify for the state? Apparently NOBODY wanted to do it.
So he is left with an infant to testify for the state.
I listened to the beginning when he was asking her about school and early career..and she mentioned children at some point. But that was early on, she doesn’t work with children anymore, in fact she works with people from teens thru elderly.
Anna, did her experience with teens through elderly occur before or after she assessed Jodi? My understanding is that she only had experience with children before she got her license and she was licensed not long before assessing Jodi.
You give her more credit, Anna, than she deserves.
I think you need to really look hard at this.
NO reputable person would testify on behalf of the state. That alone is damning.
The fact he has to have a kid who is barely qualified to practice is utterly damning to his case.
I am not giving her anymore credit than she deserves at all. Im not sure why you feel that way? BeeCee, from what I understood, she only worked with children after graduation, then went on to Michigan and then to her practice in AZ. As far as testifying for the state tonysam, really!? Shhhsh……the money and the notoriety from this case? For a young psychologist? Makes sense to me.
Well, here is my opinion. I cannot and will not make a judgement on this woman’s character, looks, etc. I cannot call her anything mean as paid whore, bitch etc……and here is why. Alyce did nothing more than take the stand as a defense expert witness and she has endured more hate and cruel words heaped on her than anyone could have possibly imagine. It was wrong and it was unfair. This is a trial, and both sides will have paid experts to testify on their behalf. Calling Alyce a dyke, man hater, etc, was so beyond the pale that it sent her to the er with panic attacks. Calling this woman names may or may not so the same, but isnt it the same thing? They are doing their job, they paid to get on the stand and explain what they do, what tests they gave, and what their diagnosis are.
That being said, we all have our opinions about what witnesses testify to and how they say it, etc. Remember, the things this witness is saying are in direct response to JM. Of course she will not defend ALV or Dr Samuels, that is the whole point. The defense will be crossing her and get the chance to blow holes in her testimony. I guess I just don’t see the reason for personal attacks on any witnesses for either side. Now, JM, fair game…LOL.:)
Seems she is only there to bash Dr S and ALV.
When she starts to ‘elocute’ is when it’s a rehearsed sentence.
exactly….I wonder if she was paid to do that???
Can you say rehearsed? haha My first question would be how much are you making an hour???
No kidding! She is a paid whore!
LOL I am actually lmao right now because they both look rather stupid right now. Does the jurors get to ask her questions?
They should keep it professional. Take the higher road.
I hope JW tears this woman to shreds. She is a paid whore for Martinez. No state background in domestic violence, no sense of empathy for people that I can see, nowhere near the experience of AL and clearly everything he is asking her is taken out of context. She is also full of herself. I am a psych student from Michigan state also. Lol! Many years ago. Anyway, treating and understanding domestic violence has nothing to do with this woman. She has no business on the stand.
It’s really two different issues. That’s why the defense had two different expert witnesses.
The state should have done the same and hired people with extensive experience.
It goes to show that nobody reputable wanted to do it.
This is a joke all the way around and again a nasty vicious thing for Kermit to do to undermine the credibility of people with years of experience. I would tear this little pup to shreds if she was under me.
You are right, tonysam. Like I said on Twitter, DeMarte is the freshman you put in at the end of the game when you know you will lose anyway and you want her to get some experience. The sad thing for her is that with the way Martinez is playing this, it gives her no room to grow in her practice and be able to testify in the future. She will never be able to apologize to someone before she evaluates him, or get reading material or any subject or inmate, or ever transcribe a personality inventory, or ever rescore a test. I kind of feel bad for her. At the beginning of my career, I was a little like her (different profession, and hopefully not condescending), and I thought that because I was smart and well educated, I should be able to do anything- right out of the chute. I chafed if my boss wanted to read deposition questions in advance, or go observe me argue something in court, or give take a hard witness in a trial. It didn’t take me long to appreciate the help, and more importantly, the GUIDANCE.
Lack of compassion how about EMPATHY…WHERE’S THAT DICTIONARY? hmmm WTF? In the area of Psychology? OOh now a psychologist w/o compassion…Ahh now She’s someone I want to evaluate ME! Yippy…NOT
I would never speak to this woman as a patient. What a bitchy attitude. Sad.
Nancy…I was just thinking the same thing!!! “She thinks her chyt don’t stink”…got that sayin’ from my mama!!!!!
Doubt she has a ton of patients who opt to go to her.
SHe is so wrong, you never diagnose someone on the first visit…. It takes several…..
Can you say “quack”?
“Have you EVER IN YOUR EXPERIENCE…” She has hardly any experience! Come on!
What, all of two days is not experience enough for you!?
I can only imagine how this evaluation went, I bet jodi disliked this yucky Dr.
If she was so concerned about how the book may change a client’s knowlege she should have been aware that Jodi read it and taken it into account. This lady is full of shit.
First of all, this little girl has no clue on how to treat a patient. She a book smart psychologist, and I’ve dealt with plenty of them. They spout their knowledge from the book, then when they come out of their office and open their mouth to a patient, they call us in to pull the patient off of them! And yes, I mean the patient’s end up assaulting them many times because of the arrogant attitude.
She’s got a real superiority complex, its evident how she’s answering these questions. There is NO time limit on evaluating someone, that bullshit! You could evaualte a patient for DAYS if that’s how long it took. If you know how to keep your boundaries clear, it DOES NOT MATTER …..what a crock of shit!!! If I was the defense, I’d jump all over that, and further more, how many domestic abuse or PTSD patients has she actually treated….I bet the number is VERY low
Absolutely correct Melvis
Zero, I think. She also deals with abused children, not adults.
great post Melvis….thanks
you betcha! nothing I hate worse then someone who acts like a know it all…she’s trying to put every patient in one category, which is TOTALLY not true. Just shows you she has NO experience, very dumb for the DA to hire her to testify. JW will tear her apart!!
She sounds like a infomercial! I don’t know if she is book smart sounds so over memorized and rehearsed.
Well book smarts is fine.
But without people skills, a psychology degree is worthless. IMO
very true MB…the books smarts is the foundation. She hasn’t got the years on her to testify in a court of law to the extent that she is. I’m sure she’s very bright, but her attitude will get her in trouble with schizophrenic who thinks he’s Albert Einstein and shes starts dismissing him …..not good!
Once again Jm is rejecting the whole evaluation of Domestic Violence. This broads testimony is irrelevant to that issue.
I could be wrong, but wasn’t the evaluation already over when Dr. Samuels gave Jodi the book?
Yes. Martinez and his tricks. Expect JW will clear that up, I hope.
I thought the same.
No, that’s not correct. He arranged for it to be sent to her immediately after his first visit.
This is a common practice.
Thanks. I guess I have “a problem with my memory!”
Yes. The same with Alyce.
No I think it was before, he wanted her to read it for self esteem nothing to do with his PDSD decision
I think so. JW will be sure to point that out.
Nurmi will crush her on cross when he asks her how many DM cases she has worked n.
Hardly in Alyce’s league, is she?
A very cold woman.
Agreed. She is cold and generally unlikeable.
I dodge those sorts of people like the plague, I had a young doctor just like her. No one liked her.
I agree. I think we need to be prepared that this witness is going to say some pretty awful things. I have to keep in mind that JW day will come.
can I just be known as Russo from now on????? It’s embarrassing that her mother copied my mother’s choice of a first name…
BUT, Janeen— You are a warm, wonderful, smart woman.
Not an uptight, cold bitch.
♥ @ U
I am SOOOOOOOO not like her…..LOL LOL Polar opposites…think she’s old enough to know what that means???????? LOL
I adore you Renee!!!!
Right back atcha, my friend ♥
awww…we know you aren’t a cold and heartless beeootch like the janeen on the stand at the moment.
TY TY TY!!!!! 🙂
Welcome back BeeCee I was wondering where you were!!!
awww, thanks MB.
I’ve just been really busy and yesterday was hardly on the computer at all.
I actually think about y’all on here though, even when I am not here. (Not constantly like in a stalker manner though, LOLOL. Just want to make that clear…LOLOL)
Awww I think about you all too <3
I know what you meant 😉
No Janeen,we love you!Dont change your name due to that lying,rehearsed bad bad actress!! LOL!
TY Maria…I love you too!!! 🙂
NO! You’ll be the reason we still like your name!
For a while some people were calling Martinez, M.
And some still are I think.
I almost changed my name on here, as that’s the LAST person I’d want to share anything with.
But I’m probably taller and much sweeter than that lil’ booger, so I forged onward as M.
Janeen, you’re awesome. Don’t let that bitch ruin it for you. We’ll call her something else. I’m sure someone here is very talented with pseudo names.
Might not be a bad idea 🙂 Maybe changing it up to Ms Russo?
One of my favorite singers is Patty Russo from Meat Loaf, btw.
Hell no! Ms. Russo is who I used to be at PTA meetings…LOL LOL LOL
lol! Keep your name, Dynamo brought up a good point that you will be the one who saves your first name from being associated with that animated ice sculpture on the stand. 🙂
I wouldn’t be put at ease with her, that’s for sure.
I hope there is at least one juror who has had to use a therapist or counselor so they can see how ‘cold’ this person is. This woman sounds more like a teacher than at true therapist and you know what they say, ‘those who can do; those who can’t teach.”
Don’t you dare insult the teaching profession with your post. Teachers have to have a LOT of empathy to succeed at their job.
As somebody who has been a teacher, you just pissed me off with that remark. 🙂
Try prosecutor, instead, for an accurate comparison.
I am sorry to have offended you, Tonysam. That comment is not meant to a professional teacher of academics. That is an old saying that us musicians have and it sometimes applies to professions such as doctors, therapists, and artists. In these cases it means because for one reason or another the person could not get a job as a therapist/musician/artist/actor so they teach as a source of income instead. Those that ‘can’ are busy doing therefore they do not have time to teach. It has nothing to do with teachers as a profession. I hope you can see the difference.
I see the quip used all too often used to bash teachers, and it really gets my dander up.
I hope you understand where I am coming from.
Teachers have to have empathy to be successful at their jobs. So much of what they do is beyond teaching and assessing. Often they have to be almost a surrogate parent to the students, a social worker.
This snake on the stand would do better as a prosecutor for Maricopa County.
She’s full of shit. ANY and EVERY Psych major knows Wayne W. Dyers Erroneous Zones. I got my degree in 2002 and it was mandatory reading.
I thought the same thing. She’s not very well read. Also thought if she’s had patients that have read the Secret and it interfered with their therapy, one would think she would have taken the time to read the book to really understand where her patients were coming from.
Agree and I got my degree in 1976! Lol! What a joke this woman is.
I agree absolutely, Melvis
She has NEVER heard of the book “Your Erroneous Zones” so how can she say this book would “influence” anyone in a specific way and how does she know Jodi, in fact, READ this book? Did she ASK Jodi if she read the book and what Jodi may have gotten out of the book after reading it, if she read it? This is the only way to assess if the book had any “influence” on Jodi’s having been a victim of abuse. Already this witness is incredible…not thorough evaluation. My opinion.
How can she not have heard of Dyer’s book? It’s been around for nearly 40 years.
Being an infant is no excuse.
Definitely not an excuse.Im 2 years younger,Im not a psychologist,Im not american but have heard of the book!
I’m 36 and the first time my father mentioned Erroneous Zones I was 12. Up until now I haven’t read it, but last month I saw Wayne Dyer and realized he was the author lol
she is far to young of person to know this book, I might even tend to think she could be too young of mind to understand the book “Your Erroneous Zones”
vebe, She has had education in the field of psychology but has not been exposed much. Not knowing of this book verifies this fact.
I seriously hope defense asks, have you by any chance had oh.. let’s say 30 years of experienced working with battered women? Have you ever testified in a case for a battered woman? Have you ever been a victim of abuse yourself? Do you know how subjective the field of psychology can be with your limited experience? Do you understand that your evaluations of those already deemed clinically insane have absolutely no bearing on this case? Do you know that PTSD and insanity are two very different things? I’m rambling here, sorry..
All wonderful questions though.
So when you say you would be AL’s supervisor, you would agree it has to do with a piece of paper and additional schooling, a degree.. and nothing to do with length of experience?
The jury is going to wonder why the prosecution only has a witness with a couple years experience compared to the defense’s experts who have been in practice since before this one was born. If i were a juror, I would wonder why they couldn’t find as seasoned an expert as they defense came up with and I would conclude that the seasoned experts wouldn’t agree with the pros. theories. I believe JM probably looked high and low for a couple years for someone with more experience and this is what he got stuck with due to the fact that no respectable expert would take his case.
Agree.I think ”got stuck” is the key word here!
Agree!!!! She should be an easy target for the defense from my perspective.
This must be why JM was so hung up on snow white…she is his snow white and he is her dwarf…
She speaks like someone who is forcing their lecturing on others, emphasizing each word to make sure they got it. Condescending and turn off to any one who is subjected to it (even children.)
Much agreed – I see her as very condescending as well as having undeserved arrogance.
BIG TURN OFF! I did not think she would be so bad, she is a Yes Man for Martinez its overly prejudicial towards the Defense Expert witnesses. What a difference between Samuels and LaViolette.
Same same. I was hoping for someone more palatable, but considering Martinez’s standard of behavior I guess I should not be surprised.
Are they still muted on live stream?
They just got back.
I’m waaaaaaaay over due for my medication…..I’m about to hit this monitor!!!!
Someone’s going to tear this little neophyte a new you know what.
I was just driving back to the office and heard little parts of her experience.
So she did evaluations in a lab after her BA where she worked with other grad students and professors. We know how that works. The Intern is the gopher, makes the coffee, gets the water and sits in on the occasional interview.
And this directorship. She oversees the testing curriculum of 3 doctoral students. Big whup.
Who’s Cheryl Clark?
Good question havent’ heard of her before
Probably did not trust you and your cold, bitchy way.
Is it just me or is baby doc looking strained already?
I hope so. -_-
I can’t get this to play for me on my iPhone today. I think I’ll cry!
AA go to azcentral or KPHO. they stream live on iphone/ipad
You’re not missing much.Just a young,blue-eyed,dark-haired individual talking with a COCKEY tone!!!
That is the link that works on my ipad.
was Jodi forced to comply with an interview with this person….argh….I wish she would of just refused to talk to her…..its her right to do so! This jackass phd is going to twist all her words around, wait and see…
Shouldn’t Dr Carp (sp?) be on the stand
Yes, but she got cancer and had to back out of the case.
AA, thanks for confirming this! And thanks for posting the links here the other day.
Did you get a live stream? check azcentral.com or kpho – they should work. I use them on my iphone/ipad if not at laptop
What a little bitch this woman is. I can’t get over it. She is so full of herself. I wonder if she has any boyfriends. Sorry, I am being bad but this type of ploy and this type of professional makes me sick.
Makes me sick too!!! She looks like a damn groundhog! !
agree Nancy….I try very hard to be open minded, I work with too many docs not to be. But I can see right out of the gate that this girl would be way over her head in the setting I work in.
So sad, but they don’t teach these young PHD’s how to interact with patients, they only teach them whats in the books. They come out of school, and THEN they learn, after many years, how it really is.
She has no business testifying to anything, and the jury will see it. Not enough experience
Who is Dr Carpe, when did she do these interviews?
WAs it before Dr Samuels or after?
I was just going to ask the same question – who is this person?
She was the defense expert before Alyce and is from AZ. She is a Ph.D., published, highly experienced. She had to back out due to getting cancer in mid-2011. That’s when they got Alyce who was able to take on the case last minute, as trial was already scheduled at that time.
Okay, thanks for that AA.
Is she the doctor mentioned in the motion document AlsoAbused linked here? She got cancer and was replaced by Alyce.
It may not be the same doctor but Dr. Samuels was mentioned and another one was.
Jodi looks really focused today! I hope she holds strong through all of this.
Isn’t this all hearsay?
Goodmorning guys! I cant blv this is happening?!!! If this expert would’ve been the defense expert Martinez would’ve already turn her apart! !! Shes such a joke, she doesnt know shit!!! With the law of attraction, she doesnt blv in in and wouldn’t encourage it because it doesnt help people in the way that it doesnt help them deal with the problem bla bla bla whatever she said. But idiot, its doesnt matter what YOU THINK because if the CLIENT is the one that blvs in it then that’s what YOU have to work with and if you dont know much about it right there it shows that THIS EXPERT viewed everything Jodi said in a whole different way, so HOW can she give an accurate evaluation? !!!!!!!!! And SHE would be ABOVE ALV, WHHHYYYYY, because she just got a license that can read a test? ??? WOW that’s so much more knowledgeable then ALV years of experience.
This little girl has NOTHING on ALV!
That is ok I think JW will tear her a new one but in her sweet smiling tone. She seems to be in way over her head.
I have read that every patient is comfortable with a particular style of therpist / approach to treatment and that when you are looking for a therapist, you should not hesitate to change therapists until you find one with whom you feel comfortable and have a good rapport. One size does not fit all in therapy. If anyone on the jury has ever been in therapy, he will know that Alyce LaViolette and Dr. Samuels are not inferior therapists because their styles do not match Dr. “Let Me Show You How Much I Know.”
(And my work computer has frozen. Will someone please post Jodi’s IQ results? Thanks!)
Mornin’ LC 🙂
Right you are!
I have a couple of names. Dr Stuck Up….the BITCH…..Baby Doc….Dr Think Her Chyt Don’t Stink…..pick one!!!!!!
She looks like a groundhog! !!
Baby Doc is my fav!! lol!!
We actually refer to our new interns as “baby doctors” until about 2 weeks before they finish their internship. Even at that point they still need more experience. Completely different field , but it stil applies.
LMAOOOOOO – Bring it Moni!!!!!
Ugh… she has that annoying vocal fry/kardashian voice.
This describes it well —-
I know Anthony..I’m just waiting to hear, “whatever”, like ya know, like ya, OMG, like forsure, you know?? lol!
Go ahead DeMarte.If you say ”alleged” way too many times,do you think you’ll be more credible??? hahaha!
Right!!!! And can you tell shes gone through her lines a little too much!!
And you know,no self-respected ACTOR/ACTRESS wants to be overehearsed! lol!
I know lol
Here I thought only the media was fond of using that term to cast doubt on anyone who reports being raped, abused, or harassed.
JW taking notes and looking pretty confident! 😉
Yea she is and will bring some heat on her in cross.
Can’t wait for that Alaina!!
I’m loving how Martinez is no longer yelling like a lunatic.. because it’s his witness! ARGH.
Kermit is really going to let her look at her notes? He doesn’t like for people to look at their notes..
Yeah!Where’s his motto ”Do you have memory problems ma’am?”
Rubbing his hands with glee, isn’t he, the bastard.
I can’t stand the sound of her voice. She’s so condescending. 🙄
I know she seems cold, arrogant, condescending and judgmental.
Again, a left over of the Valley Girl accent that was so popular when she was a young ‘un.
Arrogant which can really turn off a Jury. The Law of attraction is not something that Alyce or Dr.Samuels condoned or promoted it was something that Jodi and Travis embraced, so I do not even see the relevance it was an explanation for Jodi’s Journals not an acceptance of the Ideology. You can disagree with The Law Of Attraction and the explanation she gave was generic. But cause and effect are part of a evaluation. And since Alyce and Samuels’ were evaluating her, the inclusion of The Law Of Attraction was evidence, not something that was prescribed by them Stupid.
Why on Earth is she making so many facial expressions???Does she think she’ll get credibility points in this way?
This is the Valley Girl symptom.
for sure Al!!! She seems unprofessional to me, and that’s a good thing!
She looks like she’s going to chew her own face off.
She is not even really looking at that paper. Did you see the way she looked at JM?
Holy shit!!! “albeit jokingly” SERIOUSLY???????
I know……….. I am coming close to calling her the C word, which normally I am deeply offended by, but I have just diagnosed Baby Doc, and sure enough, she is a C*nt.
^5 hero!!!! LOL LOL LOL
I have already called her that. She is one of those shrinks that know all, is right and nobody else can contribute because they would be wrong, and dammit she will die trying to prove to you she knows and you don’t. She turned me off the minute I looked at her.
I normally don’t use that word either. But I love how you put it in that sentence!!!
Wow, so rehearsed. This witness must have spent hours with JM to get him exactly the answers he wanted. Each move, each question, each piece of evidence carefully scripted. Cross should be interesting.
I am stoked to see how she crumbles when she isn’t answering off a script.
Judge Wanita is so FK bias……….. has overruled everything…. for Juan
Noted. Frustrated. But not at all surprised.
I’ll bet all the real seasoned psychologists out there are going….WTF!?
*albiet jokingly* was baby doctor there? WAS SHE????
Where is JM when we need him?
She has a very hard looking mouth.
The judge doesn’t care who JM disrespects.
Hate to say it but based on the jury question posed to AL and Samuels the defense better really bring it as far as turning the jury against this chic. If I had to guess they are eating up her info with a spoon. It will help justify their feelings towards the other experts etc .
Of course, Martinez is laying it out beautifully for her, NOT interrupting her answers. Why would the jury be confused now?
Yeah, sure they are.
I am sure they are ignoring the fact she utterly NO experience at all for all intents and purposes and ignoring the fact JM couldn’t get anybody else to testify for him.
Does it sound to anyone like she’s studied way too much last night? ?!!!! Lol i swear it sounds like she went through her lines like a thousand times!!! Even her face, shes acting! !! Maybe Nurmi should chk if this girl is a failed inspired actresses cuz she SUCKS!!!
That’s OK wait till JW gets to her.
I get the same feeling. I would like to see her in a cross with only yes or no from JM. She would not hold up imo.
Just ”last night”?I bet she’s been rehearshing this for quite a while!
I think we can now prove that we have more dignity as the haters do, by not going the same road as they did with Dr Samuels and Ms Alyce Laviolette
Good for JW wanting Dr S referred as Dr Samuels
Oh god. The transferer bubble answers.
We all know that Dr Samuels forgot the bubble sheet. lol
We all know that Dr Samuels forgot the bubble sheet.
I love how he emphasizes DOCTOR. What a piece of shit
”bubble sheet” as in ”answer sheet”??
How could that involve ”human error”? I have 10 year olds in my class filling in their answers on answer sheets and they are never confused!How difficult is it?
He is flailing his arms, dancing around, gonna fall down, Lecture on ‘THE IMPORTANCE OF BUBBLE SHEETS’
Bubbles bubbles bubbles
Why is he getting so sarcastic with the DR in Dr Samuels.
The jury has to get that. That is just disrespect.
By the way I noticed she wasn’t asked if she can prescribe.
Because he got called out on calling Dr Samuels, Mr Samuels.
No you cannot explain its a yes or no bitch!
OMG….. what a total joke………….. So friggin reheared and so unprofessional
Can she explain why? No I demand yes or no.
My thoughts exactly.
Guess its okay, because she’s submissive(ish) and asks before proceeding.
JW was on it with that objection. That was out of line.
“May I refer to my notes?” I didn’t hear “Do you have a memory problem?”as an answer!
YES!!! I hope JW gets the opportunity to ask that question!!!
I don’t think she’s pretty at all. I had to sneak a quick look on the computer at work, yikes.
I still can’t get the video to work on my iPhone. I’ve tried and tried and also tried the Wild About Trial mobile link. GRRRRR Anyone got a different mobile link?
This is the link I use on my ipad.
April 16, 2013 at 1:59 pm
AA did you try this one?
Yeah, I tried that one. It was cutting in and out on me or just not loading at all. But thanks! I did get to hear enough of her to form my opinion. She bases everything on tests because she doesn’t have any real life experience. And her posh valley girl voice drove me up a tree.
On another note though, when you look at Jodi compared to her, you see women of the same age. Jodi sounds more intelligent to me, so it sort of makes you sad that Jodi had the life she did. She could be right where this chick is. I hope the jury feels that.
That MAY be posh (maybe) in a 13 year old. For an adult professional over 30, it just seems juvenile.
Omg what nerve!!!!
No she didn’t…….she just called Jodi a liar!!!!!!
How can she evaluate her the. If she feels she lied?? That was a stupid thing to say. Still catching up so ill have to see the context
WOW She actually said THAT? What a bitch.
wow weeeeeeeeeee JW is going to tear her a new asshole………..
you go JW!
PSTD assoicated with a trauma that can be remembered you fk MORON>……………….
this C*NT needs a BEATING
They are JW and Nurmi are FIRED UP!
I have noticed that both JM and Nurmi are writing like crazy. They will have real, valid points to make on cross as opposed to the confused, b.s. dance of JM. Cross should be very good.
Does that comment show bias???
Fk yes, it shows BIAS…. and totally unprofessional
What a fucking ROOKIE! That’s all she is, she’s learning and she’s using this as an experience. Didn’t Martinez ask one of the defense experts if they took this case to add to their experience???? Well this is what we have here!!
She’s such a bad actress! !!
Does any one know yet if the defense will be able to do a rebuttal to the State’s rebuttal?
I wish, but I dont think so. I don’t think it is fair the prosecution gets to go twice and the defense just once.
It’s because the burden of proof rests on the state.
I know! But Martinez plays dirty. That is why I think it is unfair. 🙁
That is exceptionally rare in AZ and would only occur if the judge allowed it and it was based on completely new information never brought up in the case before.
Nope. That’s a shame with our judicial system. The person fighting for their life doesn’t have the opportunity to call witnesses to refute their rebuttal witnesses.
And the prosecution says the defense experts are biased.
Her statement about Jodi lied on the test shows bias against Jodi.
Plus, she said the incident happened with a stranger. It didn’t, happened with Travis. She is still protecting him. But all the questions that followed still referenced the same incident. It did not invalidate any answers. It is not like she talked about getting mugged, when that never happened, then went back and said it was an incident with Travis.
How can you “lie” on a test if you don’t know what it assesses or what can be diagnosed from it?
What a bunch of shit.
Please – professionals – I am not a psychologist/psychotherapist but in my experience it sounds like she is giving a limited version of PTSD as opposed to the full explanation where it can happen from a build-up of experiences instead of just one experience. So – is she telling the whole truth?
Right, and that is something for sure, the defense will address when they get their turn. I’m sure they will ask her if she liked Jodi, as well as other things to discredit her. Trust the defense…they will NOT go easy on her.
I hope Jennifer asks her “You don’t like Ms. Arias do you”? It is obvious that when she speaks of her she sounds and looks like she has tasted something bad. Talk about being partial and biased. She is in the opposite extreme of what Martinez has been accusing the defense witnesses of. This is such a freakin sham.
good question and i hope she does
Oh she better! I would be all over her shit.
OMG OMG I am aghast…..HOW DARE SHE?????
Wow, I thought this was a page for positivity and clearing Jodi’s name.
The comments about the witness today are over the top and plain old mean.
Lori, the comments here are nothing compaired to the Jodi “hater”sites…you won’t see any death threats or witness intimidation here!
IMO the pro-pros need to go back and clean up the dirt the Travis Taliban has left for Alyce and Dr Samuels before coming here and getting all whiny.
This is also a safe place for people to vent their frustrations considering how biased this trial is and how many counts of prosecutorial misconduct are being allowed. Nobody is threatening anyone nor lying about the case. Venting frustrations helps to diffuse stress, too.
Lori, we are here for Jodi *and* we are also here to vent our frustrations. We’re not planning an orchestrated attack on this woman. I don’t know which comments you think are way over the top, but I know they’re nothing compared to the ones that have been made about Jodi.
Well, sorry, Lori, but if you don’t understand I’m not going to tell you.
Some comments may seem mean to you but we are all entitled to our own opinions. We are not however trying to ruin this woman’s career.
Well, Lori, until and unless you are SJ, I am not changing a fucking thing about myself.
This page is not a requirement, that is, you are not forced to be here.
In my experience, those who contribute little and then put down the members are actually just here to instigate.
Hero…I’ve said it before and I’ll continue to say it ad nauseum….I adore you! You are AWESOME!!!! DON’T YOU EVER CHANGE ANYTHING ABOUT YOURSELF!!!!!! 🙂
Don’t like it? Leave.
I don’t go to the hater sites to stir shit up (although, sometimes I think I should for the amount of times they have started shit with me here).
They should stop coming here and getting all pissy when they know damn well they aren’t going to clean up the 1,000 bad reviews left for Alyce on her amazon book page.
MB…you never cease to amaze!!! DITTO (using Rainy’s word…LOL) You are just plain wonderful! 🙂
I find it hard to like Dr DM too, that is why I think we should take the challenge not going down the same road as the haters and try to keep dignity here and refrain from name calling.
As I said Dr DM is right now very challenging in this regard in my opinion
That is what I mean. I am not a hater or name caller. Just because I dont write on this page alot does not make me a bad person or trying to instigate anything.
I don’t read the haters page, this is the only page I read everday so I have no idea what they are saying.
Name calling is just not nice. You can be better than that and still write out your frustrations.
Sorry if I offended anyone, but I got offended too.
But Lori, if you’ve read enough posts from us, you know that we’re constantly calling them names.
The difference is that we are clever and funny and not full of hate. Yes, we get angry, but we don’t take it as far as they do.
I’ve compared NG to the devil many times. But it was funny and meant to relieve our stress. It wasn’t hateful at all. I’m not a hater either. I feel sorry for those people who caused so much damage with their vitriol and I definitely get offended when I feel someone is putting me in that category.
I understand you might have felt uncomfortable with some of the comments, but you kind of generalized and kind of implied we were just like them.
I hope you still support Jodi in spite of this misunderstanding. =)
In normal day to day life I don’t agree with name calling either. But this case is quite different.It brings out the best and worst in people because people are passionate about their views whether for or against Jodi. But if you have been reading this site on a regular basis as you said, then you should know by now that most comments are well thought out and well put opinions. And for the most part this is a respectful community where anyone can voice their opinions as long as they are respectful and realize this is a pro-Jodi site.
Most here watch this trial everyday and have since day one.Many have been victims of abuse themselves and can relate to Jodi’s experiences. All here have been witnesses of the horror that mainstream media and social media can do to what should be an immune, untouchable process otherwise known as our judictional system.
This trial has made a mockery of it from the beginning and continues to do so daily. This “Expert Witness” (and I use that term loosely) and her testimony so far is just one more slap in the face.
Any bad press she is receiving in this forum is due to many factors, but I really don ‘t think it’s as personal as it appears. I think most of us here are just venting our frustrations with the pros in general onto her. She is yet one more poor tactic we must endure from the prosecution. Couldn’t they at least have someone crediable to counter our defense witnesses…maybe 15 more years of experience for starters and possibly able to speak without sounding like a charactor from a teenage drama series?Anyway, to sum considering what hater sites have done and are still trying to do to the defense witnesses…by comparrison I believe we are giving this witness the equivalent of a group hug.