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Jodi Arias Retrial, Day #16 (afternoon session)

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Leave your thoughts & comments below on the afternoon session of Trial Day #16.

Latest pics from the courtroom, 11/25:

Jodi Arias, 11-25
Jodi Arias, 11-25
Kirk Nurmi, 11-25
Kirk Nurmi, 11-25

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Never question it.

Never doubt it.

SJ
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418 Comments

    • I don’t think it’s wishful thinking – I too have noticed the wind has gone out of his sails. He knows we’ve got him on the run. Flores too looking chastened lately. Flores, Horn and Martinez know they are going to lose their professional standing and in all probability their combined careers over this case. I for one have no sympathy whatsoever for them. They were prepared to let Jodi die for their lies, concealment and cover-ups. Even if we give them the benefit of the doubt, and say, for argument’s sake, that they concealed evidence because they were absolutely sure of Jodi’s guilt, I think by now they know quite well they were mistaken in this assumption. They’ve dug themselves in too deep to back-peddle now. They are afraid now, but because they have no gumption or even one backbone between the three of them, they have made the collective decision to wind down, stop the theatrics and hysterics in the courtroom, and lose the case that way. It’s called beating a strategic retreat, but they won’t be coming back for a second try at winning. They will be only too glad to lose and if they are lucky, keep their jobs. Running away with their tails between their legs is not an option we should give them. They must be made to stand and pay for what they have done. They are hoping everyone will just go quiet after this trial is over, and let them be. But they have blown the lid off police and legal corruption in Arizona. This case has drawn global attention, and they are not going to get off lightly. And why should they?

  1. Jen’s Trial Diaries @TrialDiariesJ · 13s 13 seconds ago

    Juan- You are required 2 b informed and objective when u review materials but in this case you haven’t been objective #jodiarias #3tvarias

  2. William Pitts @william_pitts · 2m 2 minutes ago
    Martinez: based on your code of ethics you’re required to be informed. And you haven’t’ in this case have you? #JodiaArias

    William Pitts @william_pitts · 1m 1 minute ago
    And i have no idea what her answer just was. Something about data points and objective analysis based on written…something. #JodiaArias

    William Pitts @william_pitts · 2m 2 minutes ago
    Wonder if the jury got that one. #JodiaArias

    • Carolyn Sung @CarolynSungCNN · 4m 4 minutes ago

      Dr. F says she used references for most, if not all of what she’s testified to, that’s how one keeps objectives. #JodiArias

  3. William Pitts @william_pitts · 2m 2 minutes ago

    That gmail chat between #JodiaArias and #TravisAlexander is up on the big screen, where he says she’s a solid form of evil.#JodiaArias

  4. meganrcassidy @meganrcassidy · 48s 49 seconds ago
    Martinez: You described this as a 5-hour rant, didn’t you? #JodiArias

    Jen’s Trial Diaries @TrialDiariesJ · 24s 24 seconds ago
    Juan- The communication wasn’t 5 hours…it was 2 hours and 10 minutes. #jodiarias #3tvarias

  5. meganrcassidy @meganrcassidy · 34s 35 seconds ago
    Martinez: And the reason you called this a “5-hr-rant” was because you wanted to make it seem like TA was out of control? #JodiArias

    meganrcassidy @meganrcassidy · 8s 9 seconds ago
    Martinez: You chose to use 5 hours, when it really wasn’t 5 hours? Fonseca: Yes

    • William Pitts @william_pitts · 1m 1 minute ago

      Martinez is nitpicking about the length of the chat. But he caught Fonseca in a mistake. SHe said 5 hrs, it was 2:15. #JodiaArias

  6. William Pitts @william_pitts · 2m 2 minutes ago

    by the way for those wondering, @RealSheriffJoe does put on a thanksgiving dinner for the inmates. #JodiaArias

  7. William Pitts @william_pitts · 25s 25 seconds ago

    JM: And you have an ethical duty to be accurate don’t you? F: Yes as much as I can. #JodiaArias

  8. Carolyn Sung @CarolynSungCNN · 24s 24 seconds ago
    Martinez says Dr. F also called it a 16-page-long rant. It appears to be 12-pages-long according to exhibit. #JodiArias

    Carolyn Sung @CarolynSungCNN · 4s 4 seconds ago
    Dr. F argues that depending on the format, the pages can vary. #JodiArias

  9. Jen’s Trial Diaries @TrialDiariesJ · 34s 35 seconds ago
    Juan- You are suppose to be accurate Fonseca- Yes. The chat is formatted to where it could be 16. #Jodiarias #3tvarias

    Jen’s Trial Diaries @TrialDiariesJ · 47s 47 seconds ago
    Juan- You could have watched Dan Freeman’s testimony when I crossed examined him. You didn’t include this when u spoke #jodiarias #3tvarias

  10. Jen’s Trial Diaries @TrialDiariesJ · 28s 29 seconds ago

    Fonseca- I spoke about how Travis was comfortable taking Jodi on trips with the Freemans #jodiarias #3tvarias

  11. en’s Trial Diaries @TrialDiariesJ · 29s 29 seconds ago

    Juan- Well TA wasn’t hiding Jodi from his friends was he? F- Well Dan was aware but not the sister she was surprised #jodiarias #3tvarias

  12. Jen’s Trial Diaries @TrialDiariesJ · 3s 4 seconds ago

    Juan- Having Jodi on the trip shows Travis was being open right? Fonseca- Well not with the sister #jodiarias #3tvarias

    • Travis would bring Jodi on the trips because it suited him just FINE:

      1) to those around them (eg. the Freemans) it would STILL seem like ”innocent dating
      2) during night-time Travis could still sneak in Jodi’s room and have his way with her.

      In other words, he wanted to have the cake and eat it too. Simple as that.

  13. Jen’s Trial Diaries @TrialDiariesJ · 16s 16 seconds ago

    Juan- But they were all in the same car right? Fonseca- Yes #jodiarias #3tvarias

  14. Jen’s Trial Diaries @TrialDiariesJ · 36s 37 seconds ago

    Sidebar #8- Juan is going to play the cross examination video of Dan Freeman #jodiarias #3tvarias

    • Carolyn Sung @CarolynSungCNN · 1m 1 minute ago

      Martinez is getting ready to play exhibit 757 – testimony from Dan Freeman’s cross-examination from first trial. #JodiArias #sidebar

  15. Jen’s Trial Diaries @TrialDiariesJ · 17s 17 seconds ago

    Juan-So someone wouldn’t b ready to be baptized if they were having oral sex right? Dan- Right, they wouldn’t be ready #jodiarias #3tvarias

  16. William Pitts @william_pitts · 3m 3 minutes ago

    Freeman did not know #JodiArias was having oral sex with #TravisAlexander at the time of her baptism.

  17. Juan Martinez interviewing a paleobiologist-

    ” Sir, how can you be so sure that T-Rexes were carnivores?…… Were you THERE 70 million years ago? YES OR NO!!! “

  18. William Pitts @william_pitts · 2m 2 minutes ago

    here comes the explanation of what #JodiArias did when she was told #TravisAlexander was dead.

  19. meganrcassidy @meganrcassidy · 32s 33 seconds ago
    Video of Freeman from trial: Freeman says #JodiArias would confide in him with “some things yes, some things no”

    eganrcassidy @meganrcassidy · 2m 2 minutes ago
    Freeman: #JodiArias didn’t confide in him that she killed TA

  20. Jen’s Trial Diaries @TrialDiariesJ · 32s 33 seconds ago

    Juan- So you were close with Jodi correct? Dan- In some ways #jodiarias #3tvarias

  21. Jen’s Trial Diaries @TrialDiariesJ · 2m 2 minutes ago
    Juan- when you called and told her Travis was dead did she tell you she did it Dan- No #jodiarias #3tvarias

    Jen’s Trial Diaries @TrialDiariesJ · 57s 57 seconds ago
    Dan says Travis was going to break all contact off with Jodi and he was going to tell her. #jodiarias #3tvarias

    Jen’s Trial Diaries @TrialDiariesJ · 1m 1 minute ago
    Dan is talking about the fight over the backpack #jodiarias #3tvarias

  22. Jen’s Trial Diaries @TrialDiariesJ · 4s 5 seconds ago

    Dan says #jodiarias was upset in general over her backpack being gone through #3tvarias

  23. William Pitts @william_pitts · 3m 3 minutes ago

    Freeman recounting the story of the fight before the trip to Havasupai. Fight was over what #JodiArias packed.

  24. meganrcassidy @meganrcassidy · 30s 30 seconds ago
    Trial video: Freeman now talking about how #JodiArias got upset that Freeman emptied her backpack of 10-15 lbs of beauty supplies

    Jen’s Trial Diaries @TrialDiariesJ · 1m 1 minute ago
    Dan says he removed like 10-15 pounds worth of hair and body supplies #jodiarias #3tvarias

  25. meganrcassidy retweeted
    William Pitts @william_pitts · 2m 2 minutes ago

    Remember, this is the first time the jury has seen this testimony. #JodiArias

  26. Jen’s Trial Diaries @TrialDiariesJ · 23s 23 seconds ago

    Dan says on trip there was some tension between Jodi and TA #jodiarias #3tvarias

  27. Jen’s Trial Diaries @TrialDiariesJ · 19s 19 seconds ago

    Dan says he brought his sister because he wasn’t dating anyone and she was safe to hang out with #jodiarias #3tvarias

  28. meganrcassidy @meganrcassidy · 5s 6 seconds ago

    Video: Martinez in trial, asking Freeman if TA didn’t want to be alone with #JodiArias

  29. William Pitts @william_pitts · 55s 55 seconds ago

    side note: how is there better audio on this tape than there is in the courtroom?

  30. Jen’s Trial Diaries @TrialDiariesJ · 53s 53 seconds ago

    Travis told Dan he liked having more people come along on trips so he wasn’t alone with Jodi and didn’t get physical with her #jodiarias

  31. William Pitts @william_pitts · 18s 18 seconds ago

    Martinez: When #TravisAlexander said something #JodiArias came right back right? Sound like suffering in silence?

  32. William Pitts @william_pitts · 1m 1 minute ago

    Fonseca says suffering in silence is a reference to hiding relationship from others. #JodiArias

    • Jen’s Trial Diaries @TrialDiariesJ · 1m 1 minute ago

      Fonseca- This term is me saying Jodi wasn’t telling people about what was going on #jodiarias #3tvarias

  33. William Pitts @william_pitts · 9s 10 seconds ago

    Fonseca: “They as in Mr Alexander and #JodiArias ? Martinez: Are we talking about anyone else?

  34. Carolyn Sung @CarolynSungCNN · 40s 40 seconds ago

    Dr. F is remaining fairly calm, there hasn’t been a lot of tension between Dr. F & Martinez today #JodiArias

  35. Wild About Trial @WildAboutTrial · 39s 40 seconds ago

    Dr doesn’t like Juan’s questioning – Yes or No style. Looks at Judge for support. #jodiarias

  36. meganrcassidy @meganrcassidy · 54s 55 seconds ago

    Martinez: Isn’t it true that the defendant “gave as good as she got?” She wasn’t someone who would back down #JodiArias

  37. meganrcassidy @meganrcassidy · 36s 36 seconds ago

    Martinez: There was an indication that TA asked Freeman to go along for a purpose, right? Fonseca: Yes #JodiArias

  38. Jen’s Trial Diaries @TrialDiariesJ · 1m 1 minute ago

    Fonseca was talking very softly since we came back from lunch but Juan is getting her a little worked up #jodiarias #3tvarias

  39. Jen’s Trial Diaries @TrialDiariesJ · 1m 1 minute ago

    Juan is talking about how Travis wanted a chaperon (Dan) for the trip #jodiarias #3tvarias

    • OMFG GMAFB…TA was a lying, cheating, SOB! Let’s bring THAT up….he HAD to keep that facade going didn’t he, in order for all his goody two shoes Mormon buddies? This just VERIFIES that TA was not truthful TO ANYONE about ANYTHING

      • Exactly. To ANYONE about ANYTHING: lies about his finances (he even had to have roomates to keep his huge house), lies about how successful he was in his PPL activities, lies about his sex life, lies about his feelings towards women, lies about his adherence to the Mormon rules, lies lies lies………

  40. Wild About Trial @WildAboutTrial · 47s 48 seconds ago

    Juan asks why Dr excluded Freeman not wanting to be left alone w/#JodiArias – says her assessment is incomplete. #JodiArias

  41. Jen’s Trial Diaries @TrialDiariesJ · 49s 50 seconds ago

    Juan is saying Fonseca gave an assessment on Travis. #jodiarias #3tvarias

  42. Carolyn Sung @CarolynSungCNN · 2m 2 minutes ago

    Dr. F reminds us again, she’s not here to provide a psychological assessment of TA or #JodiArias,

  43. Carolyn Sung @CarolynSungCNN · 1m 1 minute ago
    Martinez says, Dr. F made an assessment of TA. Dr. F says she didnt. #JodiArias

    Carolyn Sung @CarolynSungCNN · 43s 43 seconds ago
    Martinez reads the testimony where Dr. F says TA was distressed enough to be suicidal #JodiArias

  44. Jen’s Trial Diaries @TrialDiariesJ · 3s 4 seconds ago

    Fonseca says these were his words and I was quoting him. Juan- Aren’t these your words?? Fonseca- Yes #jodiarias #3tvarias

    • Carolyn Sung @CarolynSungCNN · 12s 12 seconds ago

      Dr. F says Martinez is wrong, she says she was only reporting what TA was had said. #JodiArias

      • William Pitts @william_pitts · 15s 15 seconds ago

        Fonseca says that’s reading what someone wrote, not psychological assessment. #JodiArias

        • meganrcassidy @meganrcassidy · 13s 14 seconds ago

          Fonseca: “I wasn’t making a diagnosis, I was reporting what the gentlemen was stating.”

          • how can this man talk about someone being unethical. This is a man who is signing
            autographs during a trial. This is a man who is using evidence that was gotten from
            a tainted computer and blaming someone else.

            He is not the one who should be talking about ethics in any profession

  45. Carolyn Sung @CarolynSungCNN · 8s 8 seconds ago

    Dr. F confirms w/ Martinez that she used the word, “Assessment” but she wasn’t making a diagnosis, She made a conclusion about what TA said.

  46. William Pitts @william_pitts · 2m 2 minutes ago

    Fonseca: I need a lot more than that to make a diagnosis. I was talking about it escalating. That’s a conclusion not diagnosis. #JodiArias

    William Pitts @william_pitts · 2m 2 minutes ago
    Fonseca sounds like she’s getting frustrated and exasperated with this questioning. #JodiArias

    William Pitts @william_pitts · 55s 55 seconds ago
    Fonseca: The words is interchangeable but I’m making an observation not a diagnosis. #JodiArias

    William Pitts @william_pitts · 50s 50 seconds ago
    Martinez says code of ethics says diagnosis is the same as assessment. #JodiArias

  47. meganrcassidy @meganrcassidy · 3m 3 minutes ago
    Martinez: I’m asking whether you used the word “assessment, yes or no?” #JodiArias

    meganrcassidy @meganrcassidy · 15s 15 seconds ago
    Martinez: You made an assessment in violation of your code of ethics, didn’t you? #JodiArias

  48. Carolyn Sung @CarolynSungCNN · 52s 52 seconds ago
    Martinez continues to argue, Dr. F made an assessment, going against the code of ethcics. #JodiArias

    • Carolyn Sung @CarolynSungCNN · 26s 27 seconds ago

      Dr. F argues “You can get distracted, but I was talking about the dynamics…” and Nurmi objects. sidebar #JodiArias

      • Jen’s Trial Diaries @TrialDiariesJ · 16s 17 seconds ago

        We have a sidebar and juror 3 is still writing. Gosh she’s writing a book I know it #jodiarias #3tvarias

  49. Im wishing Jodi the best possible Thanksgiving that she can have given the circumstances. God bless her & her family. Hopefully this all passes soon in her favor & she finds peace & happiness.

  50. William Pitts @william_pitts · 1m 1 minute ago

    Martinez wraps it up with FOnseca. Apparently we’re ending at 345 today. #JodiArias

  51. martinez just wasted a whole trial day, arguing with himself, trying to trick Dr. F. into saying what he wants, pulling his predictable bs…. and all he did was make a hole in water….

  52. Jen’s Trial Diaries @TrialDiariesJ · 1m 1 minute ago

    Juan is done and we are on an afternoon break. Court will end at 3:45 today #jodiarias #3tvarias

  53. Of course it was unceremonious. Martinez left the jurors thinking that Dr. F had gone against her code of ethics by making a diagnosis when she should not have. Another trick by Martinez.

    • He is the rudest, most immoral person ever!

      He doesn’t know how to be ethical. But he has the audacity to claim Dr. F. is unethical?!! GMAFB!

      He did it with all other defense witnesses. Why stop here? That’s his M.O. : being a jerk! He has NOTHING to work with and so he stoops to attacking and disrespecting all witnesses!

      • Oh he is not going to stop Pandora, and, unfortunately, I think the Judge is going to side with him against the defense in Nurmi’s motions as well.

    • The jurors might have noticed that he was only arguing about the word “assessment” (which he attempted to morph into “diagnosis”) when actually it was TA himself who stated what she had simply observed.

      JM tried to end with a bang but it easily could have seemed like a whimper to the jurors because they no doubt heard that earlier testimony – TA’s own words – and remembered it.

  54. martinez is getting his ass kicked in the trial for his misconduct that has no ending and so he tries to ‘save face’ attacking witnesses. Experts with 30+ years of professional experience! That is unheard of!

  55. William Pitts @william_pitts · 9s 10 seconds ago

    we’re back with mor Dr. Fonseca and redirect by Nurmi. I swear if he has her read more emails for three days… #JodiArias

  56. Was Travis pressured by friends and family into being something he was not? It seems he would have been much more at home in the FLDS church.

  57. meganrcassidy @meganrcassidy · 1m 1 minute ago

    Nurmi intends to talk about Martinez’s challenging Fonseca’s objectivity and ethics. #JodiArias

  58. Jen’s Trial Diaries @TrialDiariesJ · 51s 51 seconds ago

    Fonseca says she’s been a psychologist since 1982 with no violations #jodiarias #3tvarias

  59. Carolyn Sung @CarolynSungCNN · 14s 15 seconds ago

    Nurmi continues to call it an “Attack” on Dr. Fonseca’s ethics. #JodiArias

  60. Jen’s Trial Diaries @TrialDiariesJ · 42s 42 seconds ago

    Fonseca says she’s allowed to use the assessment. Nurmi is saying she’s her credibility has been attacked #jodiarias #3tvarias

  61. Carolyn Sung @CarolynSungCNN · 3s 3 seconds ago

    Nurmi asks Dr. F if she can use the word “Assessment” in a different context. #JodiArias

  62. William Pitts @william_pitts · 1m 1 minute ago

    Nurmi: Could you ethically make an assessment of #TravisAlexander or #JodiArias ? F: No I could not.

  63. meganrcassidy @meganrcassidy · 37s 38 seconds ago

    Nurmi: If I’d asked you if you to diagnose TA, could you have ethically done that? Fonseca: No #JodiArias

  64. meganrcassidy @meganrcassidy · 7s 8 seconds ago

    Fonseca: I was hired to look at the dynamics in this relationship. #JodiArias

  65. Carolyn Sung @CarolynSungCNN · 1m 1 minute ago

    Dr. F reminds again, she wasn’t hired to diagnose, and not licensed to practice in AZ and she’s pointed this out from day 1. #JodiArias

  66. William Pitts @william_pitts · 19s 19 seconds ago

    Question: Do you think the jury’s making the distinction between “diagnosis” and “opinion”? #JodiArias

  67. Carolyn Sung @CarolynSungCNN · 1m 1 minute ago

    Dr. F describes the process of actually trying to diagnose one, she says she did not do this. #JodiArias

  68. Isn’t it funny how both Jen and Wild about Trial stopped tweeting what is going on at court and just tweeting that they’re bored and some other sarcastic tweets about hurt feelings?! 🙄

  69. Jen’s Trial Diaries @TrialDiariesJ · 2m 2 minutes ago

    Nurmi took a dig at Dr. Demarte and her experience or lack there of according to him. But he didn’t use her name #jodiarias #3tvarias

          • Because I’m fairly new to the case I am still catching up on some stuff. I only discovered the case right around the time the verdict was due and right after that I was planning my wedding. I became extremely ill and housebound after the wedding. So I only got back to the case in the past two months. As a result I’ve been catching up on lots of the YT videos. I actually had to stop watching DeMarte’s testimony completely, as it made me cry. Not only for Jodi but the way she basically urinated all over ALV’s testimony and opinion. The fact is, DeMarte has absolutely *zero* experience with DV. I used to work for a DV organisation for a year, yet I would never believe that I knew more than ALV. So why did DeMarte think she knew so much when she had never ever worked in the field?!

  70. Carolyn Sung @CarolynSungCNN · 1m 1 minute ago
    Dr. F and Nurmi continue to go through why and her opinions and her testimony was not/is not considered a diagnosis. #JodiArias

    Carolyn Sung @CarolynSungCNN · 24s 24 seconds ago
    #JodiArias watches Willmott as she goes through some documents, exhibits at defense table

  71. meganrcassidy @meganrcassidy · 56s 57 seconds ago
    Fonseca said her expertise comes from decades of work and research on unconventional sexual behavior. #JodiArias

  72. Wild About Trial @WildAboutTrial · 1m 1 minute ago
    We’re reviewing The Dr’s resume & experience to attempt to rebuild her credibility for the defense. I heard the word erotic. #jodiarias

    Wild About Trial @WildAboutTrial · 1m 1 minute ago
    Nurmi has asked if The Dr has ever violated ethical guidelines. The answer is no. #JodiArias

    Wild About Trial @WildAboutTrial · 37s 37 seconds ago
    The Dr continuously uses the word “objective” to try to rebalance her testimony. #JodiArias

  73. Carolyn Sung @CarolynSungCNN · 44s 44 seconds ago

    Dr. F says she’s never violated ethical guidelines in response to Nurmi’s question. #JodiArias

  74. 35 years of work experience…..Which Martinez tried to discredit using his usual tricks.
    ”Tricks” after all is the ONLY appropriate woord to describe his questioning. Is that what the Justice system is coming to?

  75. MC Superior Court ‏@courtpio

    Trial schedule next week for State v. #JodiArias – Tuesday & Wednesday only with the continuing Evidentiary Hearing on Thursday.

  76. Jen’s Trial Diaries @TrialDiariesJ · 3m 3 minutes ago
    Fonseca tells jury she’s done this for 35 years. She’s works with people with unconventional sexual practices. #jodiarias #3tvarias

    Jen’s Trial Diaries @TrialDiariesJ · 3m 3 minutes ago
    Are we going through all her credentials again…come on Nurmi! #jodiarias #3tvarias

    Jen’s Trial Diaries @TrialDiariesJ · 2m 2 minutes ago
    Fonseca says she used Travis’s own words to get to her opinion #jodiarias #3tvarias

    Jen’s Trial Diaries @TrialDiariesJ · 1m 1 minute ago
    Here we go with all of Travis’s problems according to Fonseca and Nurmi #jodiarias #3tvarias

  77. Carolyn Sung @CarolynSungCNN · 13s 14 seconds ago

    Nurmi interrupts Dr. F but she doesn’t ask to finish her response. #JodiArias

  78. William Pitts @william_pitts · 51s 51 seconds ago

    going over (again) what is and isn’t a psychological assessment. #JodiArias

  79. Jen’s Trial Diaries @TrialDiariesJ · 28s 29 seconds ago

    Nurmi- Is TDogg a psychological assessment? Is Chris and Sky telling TA he’s gutting women a psy assessment? NO #jodiarias #3tvarias

  80. Wild About Trial @WildAboutTrial · 2m 2 minutes ago

    Numerous mentions of Travis Alexander’s financial instability. #JodiArias

  81. Jen’s Trial Diaries @TrialDiariesJ · 1m 1 minute ago

    Fonseca- The emails show the dynamics of Jodi and Travis and Travis and his friends #jodiarias #3tvarias

  82. meganrcassidy @meganrcassidy · 19s 20 seconds ago

    Fonseca: When TA describes himself as “sociopath” and Fonseca mentions it, she is not making diagnosis, she’s quoting him. #JodiArias

  83. Wild About Trial @WildAboutTrial · 2m 2 minutes ago

    Dr F is still talking about how scientific she is. She didn’t appreciate Juan questioning her credibility. #jodiarias

  84. meganrcassidy @meganrcassidy · 29s 29 seconds ago

    Fonseca says people with sexual perversions aren’t lining up to be studied.

  85. Jen’s Trial Diaries @TrialDiariesJ · 14s 14 seconds ago

    Fonseca says she read as much as she could and used what was supported. #jodiarias #3tvarias

  86. Carolyn Sung @CarolynSungCNN · 11s 11 seconds ago

    Dr. F is difference between objectivity and opinions. Jury taking note and paying close attention. #JodiArias

  87. William Pitts @william_pitts · 3s 4 seconds ago

    we’re still talking about objective testimony. Trying to build back Fonseca’s resume and trust with the jury. #JodiArias

  88. Jen’s Trial Diaries @TrialDiariesJ · 40s 41 seconds ago

    Nur- Is there a method for 1 psychologist 2 assess another psychologist F- No. You’d have 2 see their methodology, how they work #jodiarias

  89. Jen’s Trial Diaries @TrialDiariesJ · 1m 1 minute ago

    N- If a psychologist comes in here with a few years experience & says another wasn’t objective is that fair? Sidebar 10 (I think) #jodiarias

  90. Jen’s Trial Diaries @TrialDiariesJ · 1m 1 minute ago

    Nurmi is trying to turn the jury against Dr. Demarte before she even get’s here. Nurmi 2.0 strategy #jodiarias

    • Nurmi needs to be more subtle than that…perhaps asking Dr. F if she has learned a lot during her years as a Dr. and when she was in early years of practice if she learned from Drs who had more experience.

  91. Carolyn Sung @CarolynSungCNN · 2m 2 minutes ago

    Back from sidebar. Nurmi: “Woud it be ethically proper for one expert to comment on the objectivity of another expert?” #JodiArias

  92. Wild About Trial @WildAboutTrial · 41s 42 seconds ago

    Dr. pouts that it was implied via Juan Martinez that she was not objective. Nurmi asked if she did act objectively, she says yes. #JodiArias

  93. William Pitts @william_pitts · 31s 32 seconds ago

    Fonseca: It would discourage anyone from coming forward if they’re just going to be besmirched. #JodiArias

  94. meganrcassidy @meganrcassidy · 1m 1 minute ago

    Nurmi: Did you hear a valid basis to question your objectivity? Fonseca: No, it was used to imply that I lacked objectivity #JodiArias

  95. Wild About Trial @WildAboutTrial · 26s 27 seconds ago

    Dr says it is OUTRAGEOUS that Juan Martinez would accuse her of not being objective. “Rumors stick.” She says. #JodiArias

  96. Carolyn Sung @CarolynSungCNN · 1m 1 minute ago

    Dr. F: It’s outrageous to besmirch the reputation of a professional. It would dissuade people from coming forward to testify. #JodiArias

  97. meganrcassidy @meganrcassidy · 3m 3 minutes ago

    Fonseca says it’s “outrageous” that someone (cough JM) would try to besmirch the reputation of a doc without any basis #JodiArias

  98. William Pitts @william_pitts · 25s 25 seconds ago

    Nurmi: The implication that you had to witness everything to talk about it, did that make sense to you? F: no #JodiArias

  99. Jen’s Trial Diaries @TrialDiariesJ · 1m 1 minute ago

    Nurmi- So do you have to read every single word or be present at certain events such as the “peeping” event? #jodiarias #3tvarias

  100. Jen’s Trial Diaries @TrialDiariesJ · 1m 1 minute ago

    Nurmi- Do you have to be there when Jodi’s dad hit her to give an opinion? Fonseca- No #jodiarias #3tvarias

  101. Nurmi is running out the clock and doing it poorly IMO –

    In tweets this is coming off pouty and unprofessional of both of them.

  102. Wild About Trial @WildAboutTrial · 2m 2 minutes ago

    Dr says she reviewed 35-40 pieces of evidence & it’s unfair that Juan calls her out for memory. #JodiArias

  103. Jen’s Trial Diaries @TrialDiariesJ · 42s 43 seconds ago

    Nurmi- If you reviewed 1000 items and there was 1001 does this make your opinion wrong? #jodiarias #3tvarias

  104. Wild About Trial @WildAboutTrial · 1m 1 minute ago

    Dr says that she’s been to Nurmi’s office where he has over 30 boxes of evidence. Flirt Alert. #JodiArias

        • I think kinsey schofield and hwild are different people, hwild is the one who tweets “salmon” as the color of clothing…kinsey more often has biased remarks than hwild. IMO anyway hwild seems to have tweets that state the Qs and As and adds a stupid juvenile comment now and then. I notice when they switch back and forth.

          • yes, hWild’s been tweeting in the mornings and passing it off to Kinsey in the afternoons. hWild I find to be more tolerable – as I said elsewhere her language skills amuse me. Kinsey just comes across as a bratty juvenile, IMO – what we called a ‘snert’ in my early chat days. It was Kinsey who was tweeting as Wild when I made the above comment.

      • And that’s why I’ve stopped following WAT, they are too biased and sarcastic. Not that the rest of them aren’t but WAT is one of the worst. Yuck!

  105. Jen’s Trial Diaries @TrialDiariesJ · 54s 55 seconds ago

    Fonseca- No. There’s 31 boxes of evidence and I didn’t go through all of that. I looked at what was kernel to the case #jodiarias #3tvarias

  106. Carolyn Sung @CarolynSungCNN · 42s 43 seconds ago

    To Nurmi’s Q’s, Dr. F reminds that she interviewed #JodiArias for a little under 8 hours.

  107. William Pitts @william_pitts · 4s 5 seconds ago

    Fonseca: “media sells, it distracts the jury.” and i felt like we were going down that road. Says sexual behavior is not what she looked at

  108. meganrcassidy @meganrcassidy · 2m 2 minutes ago

    Fonseca, several times, said the sex in this case was a distraction. Nurmi asked her to explain that to the jury. #JodiArias

  109. meganrcassidy @meganrcassidy · 51s 52 seconds ago

    Fonseca says the sex is not too different from other couples, it’s private. She talks about the dynamics btw #JodiArias and TA

  110. Jen’s Trial Diaries @TrialDiariesJ · 2m 2 minutes ago
    Nurmi- You said specific sexual behaviors was a distraction. Explain please #jodiarias #3tvarias

    Jen’s Trial Diaries @TrialDiariesJ · 1m 1 minute ago
    Fonseca- I was looking at dynamics, not how Jodi sounded like when she was having an orgasm. #jodiarias #3tvarias

  111. Wild About Trial @WildAboutTrial · 1m 1 minute ago

    Dr F says Juan tries to distract the jury w/ sexuality of case & she felt his questions were irrelevant. #JodiArias

  112. Carolyn Sung @CarolynSungCNN · 1m 1 minute ago

    Dr. F says looking at sexual behaviors of #JodiArias and TA are like any other couple. She focused on dynamics of relationship.

  113. meganrcassidy @meganrcassidy · 2m 2 minutes ago

    Fonseca: They both enjoyed the sexual interaction they had w one another, no one is denying that. #JodiArias

  114. Jen’s Trial Diaries @TrialDiariesJ · 12s 12 seconds ago

    Nurmi- You used the term “slim alley” explain please #Jodiarias #3tvarias

    • Carolyn Sung @CarolynSungCNN · 1m 1 minute ago

      Nurmi asks Dr. F to describe what she meant by the term “Slime-Alley” she used when Martinez was questioning her. #jodiarias

  115. Wild About Trial @WildAboutTrial · 1m 1 minute ago

    Dr says she has never seen or dealt with anyone like Juan Martinez before. Re: Slimy comment made previously.

  116. Carolyn Sung @CarolynSungCNN · 31s 32 seconds ago

    Dr. F: A response to the misinterpretation of why she’s here, JM calling her unethical. Never experienced this in 30+ years. #jodiarias

  117. Jen’s Trial Diaries @TrialDiariesJ · 13s 14 seconds ago

    Fonseca- The state was implicating I was unethical and the mischaracterizing of my testimony was nothing like I’ve ever seen #jodiarias

  118. William Pitts @william_pitts · 3m 3 minutes ago

    Now Fonseca talking her comment from yesterday re: “slime alley”, trying to besmirch her reputation. Martinez objects and wins. #JodiArias

  119. Jen’s Trial Diaries @TrialDiariesJ · 2m 2 minutes ago

    Nurmi- would the state saying we funneled you info be going down that alley Fonseca- Yes #jodiarias #3tvarias

  120. Wild About Trial @WildAboutTrial · 7s 7 seconds ago

    Nurmi is asking about sex again despite Dr F just talking about how irrelevant Juan’s questions were. #JodiArias

  121. meganrcassidy @meganrcassidy · 5s 6 seconds ago

    Fonseca: For #JodiArias, the sex with TA was about being a “whore.” For TA, it was just about his sexuality.

    • Frankly, I have doubts that that tweet was complete and/or accurate; but error, if there was any, was probably unintentional.

    • Meaning: people think it’s fine and ‘healthy’ for travis to be having sex BUT on the other hand, Jodi is a ‘whore’ for having sex. Double standards!

  122. Wild About Trial @WildAboutTrial · 1m 1 minute ago

    Hold up. Nurmi just asked Dr if Travis was a misogynist………. Juan objects. They approach. #JodiArias

  123. Jen’s Trial Diaries @TrialDiariesJ · 25s 25 seconds ago

    We have a sidebar after Nurmi asks for definition of “misogyny” Fonseca got some of it out…woman hater …#jodiarias #3tvarias

  124. William Pitts @william_pitts · 2m 2 minutes ago

    out of sidebar and we’re adjourning for the day. We’re back on Tuesday, not Monday. Judge wishes everyone a happy thanksgiving. #JodiArias

  125. Well, at least Juan is done with the excellent Dr. Fonseca for now. Course he gets another run at her after juror questions.

      • Is anybody else experiencing the following? : I am reading the tweets and whenever I read Kermit’s words I can actually hear him, tone of voice, intonation, inflection….sarcasm, yelping, everything!

        I think I suffer from PTSD. 😛

        • OMFG! Yes Maria me too… Especially that whiny high pitched tone! Remember how he says “Ju-udge! The witness is not answering my question!”. OMG! I feel like taking sharp pencils and sticking them in my ears!

        • Maria, I was thinking about this also. Words are words. You can hear the sniveling tone no matter that they are on a screen. The same applies to HLN in a sense. Didn’t matter that I couldn’t see those talking heads because I was only listening to the radio. The words didn’t lose any obnoxiousness because of the lack of visual support.

      • Perhaps “peeping incident” could more appropriately be seen then as an untimely arrival, though not an unexpected one.

  126. So Martinez did everything he could to prevent Fonesca from discussing the dynamics of the relationship, so that the jury would not be influenced by what matters.
    My intent is not to belittle any one, and I respect, “To each his own.”
    But in U.S.A. 2014, any 30 yr old grown man who PRETENDS to be a virgin__ for any reason__ and even more preposterous: any 30 yr old grown man who feels the need for a chaperone so that he will not succumb to the ‘ power’ of a woman___ most anywhere else in this country, this situation would be looked upon as a case involving arrested development and serious psychological issues. And most people would readily see how that can be linked to violence.
    I’ m becoming more and more convinced that the Mormon culture that this case is ‘situated’ in,
    has had the effect of turning logic and reason on its head, and hopelessly twisting and perverting perception and common sense.
    Most organized religions are biased against women to varying extents, but Mormonism is far more biased.
    The defense team is fighting an up- hill battle because Mormonism devalues women to such an extent that the culture there seems not even to be sufficiently disturbed or revolted by the fact of a man holding a sacred office and abusing that power and dishonoring his position.
    They reserve their venom for the women, who, in their eyes, are always the wicked temptresses and the defilers of purity.
    In another culture, with another ethos, the hypocrisy and injustice would be obvious.
    So many ‘religious’ people have not understood the point__ real purity has nothing to do with sex organs and everything to do with lack of hypocrisy: integrity, true heart, consciousness, one with nature ( real), aligned with the Whole, clear conscience….__ all the very opposite of pretending.

    • You can’t separate Mormonism from this case. Biggest mistake of Jodi’s life was EVER being involved in this cultlike sect, a sect that not only devalues women who are not married mothers (and even there they are devalued), but is willing to lie and pervert the legal system in order to protect their own, in this case Travis Alexander. He was a liar, a cheat, a pervert, an abuser, a failure in business, and a pornography addict, including an addict of kiddie porn. It’s better for the Mormon mob to present a ridiculous narrative that this “temptress” Jodi Arias drove 1,000 miles from Yreka to Mesa to kill Travis Alexander in a rage because he was going to Cancun with another woman than to present the real story of an abuser who met his end in a fight to the death. This was nothing but a self-defense that got perverted by the Mormon mob and the media, beginning with CBS’s 48 Hours, that swallowed this mob’s lies hook, line, and sinker. It was better for them Jodi got railroaded into death row than to admit their friend and colleague was a screwed-up individual who needed psychiatric help and never got it. After all, they failed to do anything about Travis while at the same time they HAD to have known he was all of the things I have described above.

  127. Well two expert witnesses in a row have now called Martinez a slimeball. One the jury heard, the other they did not. Hopefully someone else will call him a slimeball soon.

  128. What a way to end the week…with the definition of misogyny, the very essence of what lies at the bottom of all this, not just by Travis (who probably learned it from his father who was married four times and ran from one woman to another and probably cheated on each), but also Juan and all those hateful people out there, especially those mean-spirited women who take joy in tearing apart another woman.

    • Treating women like second class citizens must be in the culture of Mormonism. Has anybody been totally astounded that Dan Freeman had the audacity to invade the privacy and personal possessions of Jodi and rummaged through her backpack? Are you kidding me? Who does this? This just shows how the men in Mormonism think the women are just possessions to control and manipulate.

  129. Thank you Pandora, for all the quick work. It can’t be easy!

    Might be a good time to note that newspapers used to be thought of as “a first draft of history”. Now it’s these tweets – in this courtroom or in Ferguson.

  130. Guys, I like updating BUT I can’t wait until M. Kiefer comes back…. Of course, to be fair, William Pitts, meganrcassidy and Carolyn Sung are great too. They are objective.

  131. I’m glad that Dr. F and Nurmi had the last word. martinez was so disrespectful to Dr. F.

    I truly believe that the misogyny question was referring to BOTH travis and juan martinez! And it suits them both!

  132. Yes Thanks All for your hard work on the tweets!
    I have gratitude for Dr Fonseca for not taking shit!
    I hope the frog dissection keeps on keeping on!

  133. Okay I just reviewed Deanna Reed’s testimony and she stated that both her and TA went to their priests separately about breaking the law of chastity. Is there a record somewhere that TA actually went and did this or did he just tell Deanna that he did? And if he did, then why were his friends so shocked that he was not a virgin during the trial? I certainly would not think anything of a couple having sex that had been together for such a long period, I would expect they had done so.

    • I would imagine that, even if the loss of one’s temple recommend became public knowledge – which it may or may not as far as I know – the REASON for one’s loss of temple recommend would be a private matter known only to the bishop – just like the Catholic guy at the altar saying his hail marys doesn’t know why the guy next to him is saying his our fathers, only the man behind the curtain knows.

      • You know what Journee, when I think about it, what TA did to Deanna was not right either. He slept with her for a good year before telling her he was not ready to get married. She was expecting they would be getting married, he was planning on marrying a virgin.

        • You’re right. Travis even acknowledged how badly he’d behaved with Deanna – in that email thread with CASH, he said he’d done a horrible thing to her, taken the best years of her life and failed to follow through.

          And let us not forget that it was a mere two weeks before Travis’ death that Deanna moved back to California.

          • That picture of the Hughes and Deanna smiling like Cheshire Cats has always made me wonder…….. kind of like the cat that swallowed the canary 🙄

  134. All this testimony just shows what a liar and fraud TA was. It is no reflection on Jodi as far as I am concerned. It just shows that she loved him so much she was willing to put up with stuff that most women would not. Not saying she didn’t enjoy the interactions they had but like Dr. F said it was far beyond that in the controlling and deception that TA perpetrated in order to maintain his facade in his church and community. I hope the jury is wading through all of the garbage that JM is throwing out there. Again the bottom line for me is the hidden, destroyed, or lost evidence that was key to Jodi’s defense. I wait patiently for a higher court to order a remedy for her….

      • R, I think you’re right. The prosecution’s misconduct (destroying evidence if it proves to be true & I don’t see how it can’t be) that came out last Friday was the biggest story about this trial since Jodi was convicted. Even if none of the jurors were on Twitter or FB or whatever last Friday, a family member or a friend must have let them know (or will let them know) that to vote for the death penalty under these circumstances would be very, very wrong. It’s not just passing on interesting gossip that the prosecution destroyed evidence, it’s almost a moral thing to do. Now maybe some family members/friends with that misconduct information will hold on to it to see how the court proceeds and will wait to see if the jurors eventually are informed before passing it on. I can’t imagine how Martinez can slither out of this accusation no matter how slimy he is and it should end the trial or, at the very least, make sure Jodi avoids the death penalty.

      • Chances are that some of them do or eventually will learn about. And it doesn’t even matter if JM personally escapes or gets out of this the higher court will be considering if Jodi’s constitutional right to a fair trial has been violated. There will be no doubt about that, period. Yes, she was denied a fair trial – no matter who gets the blame (although if JM is responsible or partially responsible he should have to answer for that fully). The court will have to apply a remedy. They will either overturn and order a new trial or she will be outright exonerated depending on how egregious and how they feel that the evidence that was destroyed, hidden, or lost would have impacted her defense – IMHO. This evidence about the computer was central to the argument that Jodi was making about TA. The question for them to consider is would the outcome of the juror’s decision been affected if they had known about all the porn and teen porn on TA’s computer? Answer can only be yes. JM would not have been able to call her a liar about that. TA’s computer evidence along with all the other questionable behavior on the part of the prosecution including DF (changing stories) and KH (it was a typo, yeah !) will weigh heavily in Jodi’s favor. ALL EXCULPATORY EVIDENCE MUST BE TURNED OVER TO THE DEFENSE, PERIOD ! NO EXCUSES ACCEPTED !!

      • No I don’t believe you are the only one. If they didn’t they will. Not saying that they will go looking for the information but with the holidays and people coming to together………….

  135. ♥♥♥I wish all of TEAM JODI a HAPPY THANKSGIVING. Praying for Jodi & her family always!!!!!♥♥♥
    Philippians 4:6
    Do not be anxious about anything, but in everything by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known to God.

  136. I don’t wish to be a nag, but in all our joy about the file-deletion scandal and Dr. M-F’s fine testimony, let’s not forget the defense fund. As far as I know, it’s still nowhere in sight of the figure Jodi was quoted to retain an appellate attorney. According to the second FAQ on the fund site (quoted below), if she escapes a death sentence (as seems increasingly probable), she will have at most one appeal to a judge other than Sherry Stephens — who seems unlikely to rule that her own trial was defective. So for us to “wait patiently” for a higher court to act may not be enough. She needs a private attorney to make the most of the pros-misconduct issues over a perhaps long period.

    Here’s the quote from the FAQ:

    “If Jodi is sentenced to life, taxpayers will fund very little. She will be appointed a public defender for her direct appeal, and if her conviction is upheld (nearly all convictions are upheld on direct appeal), then post-conviction relief (PCR) proceedings begin. Few appellants are granted a hearing at the PCR stage, and of those few, fewer still ever manage to get their convictions overturned. If the public defender can manage to get Jodi a hearing during PCR, she will be back in the same courtroom with the same trial judge and the same prosecutor. Only the public defender will be new (and thus at a disadvantage). The Honorable Sherry Stephens will be the one deciding whether to uphold Jodi’s conviction. Arizona taxpayers will not pay for anything beyond PCR proceedings. If her conviction is upheld, Jodi and her public defender will part ways and Jodi will go back to prison # for the rest of her life.”

    • Well, isn’t that just Dandy! So the circus will continue and the media will keep reporting the lies and untruths that the Frog has invented! What next? ARIZONA JUSTICE IS THE MOST UNFAIR IN OUR COUNTRY!!! There are going to be a whole lot of sorry folks when it is all said and done.

      • R. Did you excited anything different?
        I don’t think it was Jodi on the stand.

        Oh the nag.. is all over the Ferguson story. I honestly think she sits on the sidelines and see.what side has the most drama and the biggest story line and she can milk.

        • I know our prayers will be answered, I’m just impatient. 🙁 I wanted Jodi home with her family by now and she has every right to be!! NAG is a disgusting person.

  137. This issue has got to go all the way up to the U.S. Supreme Court. We live in a whole new world now and the media’s responsibility relative to our justice system needs to be thoroughly re-examined. Otherwise we are headed down a real path of destruction.

    • It’s so very ironic that Martinez accuses everyone who defends Jodi of being bias when all you have to do is listen to the so-called “news” reports and you are inundated with nothing but hang-her-high bias. How can any even halfway intelligent person not see that? It seems that the definition of bias to Juan, as well as to those who adore Juan, is any opinion that disagrees with theirs. And it seems the media can spew all type of bias it wants as long as the majority agree with it.

    • We are already on our way, I feel like we are now in the twilight zone. . .dealing with aliens from another galaxy. These people who are more concerned with lying, deceiving, hating and killing are beyond help. Maybe some will wake up to see what has happened to all of them but I doubt it. They are enjoying themselves, feeling all superior to us. I just don’t know how things got this bad. . . .SMH

  138. 1. Re: Chris Hughes’ Soldier Hollow Charter School_
    2. Child sex abuse by Charles Weber
    Federal, State, and County Authorities Seek Alleged Victims of Former Teacher and Principal

    FBI Salt Lake City December 04, 2012
    FBI Salt Lake City Press Office
    The Utah Attorney General’s Office Internet Crimes Against Children (ICAC) Task Force, Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), and Wasatch County Attorney’s Office are trying to identify alleged sexual abuse victims of a Utah educator who has been teaching for nearly four decades. Charles Edward Weber, 65, was a teacher in Utah and most recently the principal of an elementary school in Wasatch County until he was fired in August 2012.
    The Utah Attorney General’s Office filed six first-degree felony counts of forcible sex abuse of children on Monday. An arrest warrant was issued November 30 for the South Jordan resident, and Weber was arrested in Washington County and was transported today to the Wasatch County Jail. The Attorney General’s Office is requesting bail be set at $1 million.
    According to court documents, an adult male spoke to an FBI special agent and reported he had been sexually molested between 1975 and 1977 by Weber while he was an elementary school teacher. Another victim has come forward and said Weber began sexually abusing him this year in Midway.
    Because of Weber’s position and access to children, ICAC, FBI, and the Wasatch County Sheriff’s Office would like to hear from anyone who may have information about additional victims. Anyone who has information can contact authorities here:
    Internet Crimes Against Children Task Force at (801) 281-1211 or utahicac@utah.gov
    FBI Salt Lake City Division at 801-579-1400 or saltlakecity@ic.fbi.gov
    Wasatch County Sheriff’s Office at 435-654-1098 or wwinterton@co.wasatch.ut.us
    Weber is scheduled to make his first court appearance at 9:00 a.m., Wednesday, December 5 before Fourth District Judge Derek Pullan at the Wasatch County Courthouse, 1361 South Highway 40, Heber City.
    This content has been reproduced from its original source.

  139. Juror Questions – Dr. F.

    Q: In your clinical opinion was the sex hidden, not the women and was his other relationships as sexually charged?
    A: The taboo was with Miss Arias and the church. His other relationships were not as charged.
    Q:Was sex with Ms. Reid similar to sex with Jodi Arias?
    A: No, Arias more exploratory.
    Q:Is it your opinion that the Hughes’ opinion of the relationship could have changed since it was four months into the relationship?
    A:It’s possible but they knew less about it as the relationship went on.
    Q: Do you think the talk of death and suicide could be manipulation by either side?
    A: It could be but neither one of them was consciously aware of it.
    Q: If Jodi saw Travis looking at child porn would it change their relationship?
    A: Yes. yes it would change. It’s like finding your husband cross-dressing.
    Q: In your interview with Jodi, was it ever discussed what the untruths were that Travis talked about in the email?
    A: No.
    Q: Did Jodi say what the trigger was for Travis’ anger?
    A: I don’t know and she couldn’t identify it either.
    Q: Were images of Jodi & Travis ever kept up online on Travis’ social media?
    A: Not to my knowledge.
    Q: Did Travis ask Jodi to keep the relationship private or was it just understood?
    A: He asked her to keep a lid on it.
    Q: Do you feel researching on the internet and not having information provided to you directly was unfair?
    A: Yes, it was unfair not to get all the information that I could.

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